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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:02:43,645 --> 00:02:48,673 - She's pretty, the lawyer, huh, Irma? - Yeah. She is. 2 00:02:48,885 --> 00:02:52,798 They say her brother's a jerk. I hope the sister's okay. 3 00:02:54,685 --> 00:02:57,882 - What do you think, Karchy? - Yeah, the sister's okay. 4 00:02:58,085 --> 00:02:59,723 You know her? 5 00:03:00,045 --> 00:03:01,717 I'm the brother. 6 00:03:05,565 --> 00:03:08,796 - What? - That's enough. 7 00:03:09,805 --> 00:03:11,124 Come on. 8 00:03:14,925 --> 00:03:17,234 - How are you, Mr. Laszlo? - How are you, Mrs. Kiss? 9 00:03:17,445 --> 00:03:19,197 - Hello, Ann. - Mrs. Kiss. 10 00:03:29,405 --> 00:03:32,158 - Grandpa, are you tired? - I'm okay. 11 00:03:32,365 --> 00:03:35,596 You should learn this dance. Maria, teach him. 12 00:03:37,445 --> 00:03:39,003 - No. - Yeah. 13 00:03:39,325 --> 00:03:41,236 - Mikey, come on. - I don't know how, Mom. 14 00:03:41,445 --> 00:03:42,719 - Come on. - I don't know how. 15 00:03:58,965 --> 00:04:02,241 - So they found the coke on you? Then? - He began the Miranda. 16 00:04:02,445 --> 00:04:05,198 Then the other agent, the one with the pigtail... 17 00:04:05,405 --> 00:04:08,556 ...he said, "Cuff him."The first one never finished the Miranda. 18 00:04:08,765 --> 00:04:10,198 Okay, that's it. 19 00:04:10,405 --> 00:04:12,441 - He'll never cop to it. - We'll make him. 20 00:04:12,645 --> 00:04:15,876 - He's got a history on Miranda. - Now, they've got two witnesses. 21 00:04:16,085 --> 00:04:19,634 One's a hype. But the other is solid gold. 22 00:04:19,845 --> 00:04:22,075 We'll dirty the hype and rub some off on the gold. 23 00:04:22,285 --> 00:04:25,357 - How you gonna do that? - We'll deal with it. See you. 24 00:04:27,845 --> 00:04:30,359 What about that B-and-E case we've got tomorrow morning? 25 00:04:30,565 --> 00:04:34,114 - They don't wanna deal. - They'll deal. Thanks. 26 00:04:34,645 --> 00:04:37,842 You must be a very foxy woman. 27 00:04:38,045 --> 00:04:39,956 Just remember who you are, scumbag. 28 00:04:40,165 --> 00:04:41,678 - Hi, Annie. - Hey, Johnny. 29 00:04:41,885 --> 00:04:43,876 - Your secretary's trying to reach you. - Yeah? 30 00:04:44,085 --> 00:04:46,155 - Call your dad. - My dad? 31 00:05:00,246 --> 00:05:02,441 - Papa, what are you doing? - Here, read it. 32 00:05:02,646 --> 00:05:05,524 - Why do you got these old pants on? - They say I killed people. 33 00:05:05,726 --> 00:05:08,524 I asked you to throw those away. Come in, it's cold. 34 00:05:08,726 --> 00:05:11,524 - Garbage. - What is this? 35 00:05:12,046 --> 00:05:15,163 A man brought this, this morning. 36 00:05:19,286 --> 00:05:22,039 I don't know nothing about. 37 00:05:22,406 --> 00:05:24,078 I work in the mill... 38 00:05:24,286 --> 00:05:26,481 ...I raise my kids. 39 00:05:27,446 --> 00:05:32,918 It's my country. I've been here 37 years. I know. 40 00:05:33,486 --> 00:05:36,364 They're going to take my citizenship away, I'll show you. 41 00:05:36,566 --> 00:05:39,364 - Papa. Papa. - I'll show you. 42 00:05:43,206 --> 00:05:45,845 Well, this Michael J. Laszlo... 43 00:05:46,046 --> 00:05:48,321 ...must have lied when he went for his citizenship. 44 00:05:48,526 --> 00:05:50,915 He's accused of war crimes. 45 00:05:51,406 --> 00:05:55,160 - Come on. I'll make some tea. - No. I'll make the tea. 46 00:05:58,286 --> 00:06:00,481 How can they mix up? 47 00:06:02,846 --> 00:06:06,077 - I was a farmer. - It's not you. 48 00:06:06,526 --> 00:06:10,883 It's not you, they made a mistake. We will get this all cleared up. 49 00:06:30,686 --> 00:06:33,200 Mrs. Talbot, are you here as Mr. Laszlo's attorney? 50 00:06:33,406 --> 00:06:36,716 No, no, I just wanna get this thing cleared up. 51 00:06:37,246 --> 00:06:40,602 - Papa, take your coat off. - No. 52 00:06:41,486 --> 00:06:44,125 - Take your coat off. - No. 53 00:06:48,326 --> 00:06:51,716 This is Jack Burke, he's from the Office of Special Investigations. 54 00:06:51,926 --> 00:06:54,121 - How do you do, Mrs. Talbot? - Wanna go in? 55 00:06:54,326 --> 00:06:55,475 - Mr. Laszlo. - Mike Laszlo. 56 00:06:55,686 --> 00:06:57,165 My father. 57 00:06:59,806 --> 00:07:03,719 Look, this is a mistake. 58 00:07:03,926 --> 00:07:05,882 You've got the wrong Michael J. Laszlo. 59 00:07:06,086 --> 00:07:07,565 Like hell we do. 60 00:07:07,766 --> 00:07:11,236 - I beg your pardon. - We don't have the wrong man. 61 00:07:11,446 --> 00:07:15,121 I didn't do any of this. It is not me. 62 00:07:15,326 --> 00:07:18,204 I'm a citizen, I'm a-- I'm a good American. 63 00:07:18,406 --> 00:07:21,603 If you're a good American, this country's in big trouble. 64 00:07:22,126 --> 00:07:24,401 What the hell is this? 65 00:07:25,366 --> 00:07:28,085 You don't talk to him this way. 66 00:07:28,286 --> 00:07:30,925 I won't allow anyone to talk to him this way. 67 00:07:31,126 --> 00:07:33,959 I know why you do this to me. I know why. 68 00:07:34,166 --> 00:07:37,920 The Communists are doing this to me. They are getting back at me. 69 00:07:40,046 --> 00:07:42,799 Because of what you did to the dancers five years ago? 70 00:07:43,006 --> 00:07:44,837 Went on TV, talked to the newspaper. 71 00:07:45,046 --> 00:07:47,799 Made the dancers stop. That's what I did. That's all. 72 00:07:48,006 --> 00:07:52,477 With all that activity, Mr. Laszlo, you gave yourself a nice alibi. 73 00:07:52,686 --> 00:07:55,280 Are you accusing him of being anti-Communist? 74 00:07:55,486 --> 00:07:58,922 In addition to the crimes he would have committed 40 years ago? 75 00:07:59,126 --> 00:08:00,764 Why wasn't he charged earlier? 76 00:08:00,966 --> 00:08:04,754 The witness reports were locked away in the United Nations until last year. 77 00:08:04,966 --> 00:08:07,400 - That's why he wasn't charged sooner. - I don't-- 78 00:08:07,606 --> 00:08:10,996 - Papa. - Wait, Annie. I don't hurt nobody. 79 00:08:11,366 --> 00:08:14,278 I work in the steel mill. 80 00:08:14,486 --> 00:08:18,445 I raise my kids. My boy, my girl. 81 00:08:19,966 --> 00:08:23,925 My boy was an American soldier. He fought in Vietnam. 82 00:08:24,126 --> 00:08:26,959 My girl, I'm proud. 83 00:08:27,166 --> 00:08:29,043 She is American lawyer. 84 00:08:29,246 --> 00:08:33,922 And you, you laugh at me. You son of a bitch. 85 00:08:40,446 --> 00:08:42,960 Mrs. Talbot, you should know the Hungarian government... 86 00:08:43,166 --> 00:08:46,317 - ...has already filed for extradition. - What? 87 00:08:46,526 --> 00:08:48,357 What does it mean? What does it mean? 88 00:08:48,566 --> 00:08:50,557 It means if your citizenship is taken away... 89 00:08:50,766 --> 00:08:53,724 - ...you'll be sent to Hungary for trial. - They'll send me to die. 90 00:08:53,926 --> 00:08:56,998 Nobody is going to take away your citizenship, Papa. 91 00:08:57,206 --> 00:09:00,562 - Papa, nobody. - Yeah. 92 00:09:06,127 --> 00:09:07,958 I don't know, Papa. 93 00:09:08,287 --> 00:09:10,960 We'll get you a lawyer, we'll get you the very best lawyer. 94 00:09:11,167 --> 00:09:13,476 - You're gonna be my lawyer. - No, Papa. 95 00:09:13,687 --> 00:09:16,121 I don't know anything about naturalization. 96 00:09:16,327 --> 00:09:19,205 We'll get you the best immigration lawyer. 97 00:09:19,407 --> 00:09:22,046 - Papa, I'm a criminal lawyer. - They say I'm a criminal. 98 00:09:22,247 --> 00:09:25,239 They say I'm a humanity criminal. 99 00:09:25,447 --> 00:09:27,244 The car is here. 100 00:09:28,567 --> 00:09:33,322 The first time you kissed a boy, he touched you... 101 00:09:33,527 --> 00:09:37,918 ...we came here. I didn't know what to say. 102 00:09:38,527 --> 00:09:42,076 We came here. Words came easier here. 103 00:09:42,287 --> 00:09:44,323 Your mama helped me. 104 00:09:44,607 --> 00:09:46,518 What did I know about...? 105 00:09:46,727 --> 00:09:49,002 About raising a girl? 106 00:09:50,607 --> 00:09:52,165 Here. 107 00:09:52,367 --> 00:09:54,403 You remember, Annie? 108 00:09:57,887 --> 00:10:01,675 We were in the refugee camp. 109 00:10:03,127 --> 00:10:07,166 After the war, in Austria... 110 00:10:07,727 --> 00:10:09,797 ...I met your mama there. 111 00:10:10,007 --> 00:10:13,841 Now you have the same age... 112 00:10:14,047 --> 00:10:18,165 ...like your mama when she died, Annie. 113 00:10:24,727 --> 00:10:27,161 They came around the camps. 114 00:10:28,167 --> 00:10:31,523 Hungarian Communist officials from Budapest... 115 00:10:31,967 --> 00:10:35,164 ...looking for anti-Communists. 116 00:10:35,447 --> 00:10:39,918 They say you are a war criminal and send you back to Hungary... 117 00:10:40,407 --> 00:10:42,443 ...hang you from a tree. 118 00:10:42,647 --> 00:10:46,879 "Repatriation,"that's what they call it. 119 00:10:49,247 --> 00:10:54,002 Everybody knew that if you said you were a farmer... 120 00:10:54,207 --> 00:10:59,520 ...you got to America quicker. America had a quota for farmers. 121 00:10:59,727 --> 00:11:02,878 I said I was a farmer. 122 00:11:03,407 --> 00:11:05,477 I got here quick. 123 00:11:07,247 --> 00:11:09,522 Weren't you a farmer, Papa? 124 00:11:09,727 --> 00:11:13,845 Yeah. I was a farmer when I was-- When I was a boy. 125 00:11:14,487 --> 00:11:16,159 Well, what were you then? 126 00:11:18,087 --> 00:11:22,444 I was a gendarme. A policeman. A gendarme. 127 00:11:23,807 --> 00:11:28,722 No, no, don't look at me like that, Annie. I didn't do anything bad. 128 00:11:28,927 --> 00:11:32,158 Crazy Hungarian Nazis, they took over. 129 00:11:32,367 --> 00:11:34,403 I told them: 130 00:11:34,607 --> 00:11:38,520 "I want to be a clerk in the office." 131 00:11:41,527 --> 00:11:44,917 So that's what I did. 132 00:11:45,127 --> 00:11:49,279 I was a clerk in the office. 133 00:11:50,727 --> 00:11:53,844 Come here. Come here. 134 00:11:56,327 --> 00:11:58,363 Give me your hand. 135 00:12:00,127 --> 00:12:03,802 And so the legal paper, what it said I did... 136 00:12:04,007 --> 00:12:07,443 ...you think I did that? 137 00:12:07,727 --> 00:12:09,558 Oh, no. 138 00:12:11,287 --> 00:12:14,165 Oh, no, Papa. 139 00:12:14,847 --> 00:12:16,883 Yeah, it was so cold. 140 00:12:17,287 --> 00:12:18,800 - Hi. - Hi, Grandpa. 141 00:12:19,007 --> 00:12:20,235 I didn't know you were here. 142 00:12:20,447 --> 00:12:22,005 - Stopped by to see Mikey. - Hi, Mom. 143 00:12:22,207 --> 00:12:23,879 - Hi, baby. - Mischka. 144 00:12:24,087 --> 00:12:27,284 - Saw you on TV. - Yeah, we saw you on TV. 145 00:12:27,487 --> 00:12:28,966 It's all fake. We'll talk later. 146 00:12:29,167 --> 00:12:32,079 You wanna make some popcorn, Mikey? Lot of salt? 147 00:12:32,287 --> 00:12:34,721 No salt, Papa. 148 00:12:34,927 --> 00:12:37,885 - Lot of salt, Annie. Paprika. - Come on, Grandpa. 149 00:12:38,087 --> 00:12:39,725 What that? 150 00:12:41,087 --> 00:12:42,600 I asked my dad to help-- 151 00:12:42,807 --> 00:12:46,163 For him to help me get rid of the rust. But he didn't know how. 152 00:12:46,367 --> 00:12:49,120 Give me a Coca-Cola and a sponge. 153 00:12:50,287 --> 00:12:52,482 He wants me to represent him. 154 00:12:52,687 --> 00:12:54,803 Were Harry, I wouldn't represent him. 155 00:12:55,007 --> 00:12:57,077 - Bye, Mikey. Bye, Mischka. - Bye, Dad. 156 00:12:57,287 --> 00:12:58,959 - Bye, Dean. - What if he did it? 157 00:12:59,167 --> 00:13:00,680 Oh, Christ, Dean. 158 00:13:00,887 --> 00:13:04,766 You'd still love him. He's still your dad. Blood's thicker than spilled blood. 159 00:13:04,967 --> 00:13:08,596 That sounds just like something Harry would say, not you. 160 00:13:08,808 --> 00:13:11,083 I'm just saying, don't represent him. 161 00:13:11,288 --> 00:13:13,404 It's not just another case to win. 162 00:13:19,528 --> 00:13:21,803 I always say my prayers and do my pushups. 163 00:13:22,008 --> 00:13:23,726 Maybe it does good, maybe not. 164 00:13:23,928 --> 00:13:28,479 You gotta pass, run, try everything to make a touchdown, Mikey. 165 00:13:28,688 --> 00:13:32,363 Do you always do your pushups, Mikey? 166 00:13:32,568 --> 00:13:37,642 - Yeah, makes a healthy body. - A healthy body makes a healthy spirit. 167 00:13:38,128 --> 00:13:40,961 God, you're strong, Grandpa. 168 00:13:42,488 --> 00:13:46,003 Getting weaker every day. 169 00:13:46,208 --> 00:13:47,880 No, you're not. 170 00:13:49,488 --> 00:13:51,444 You wanna talk about the TV? 171 00:13:52,048 --> 00:13:55,324 - Okay. - It's not me they're talking about. 172 00:13:55,528 --> 00:13:57,837 They made a mistake. 173 00:13:58,208 --> 00:14:00,597 I didn't kill anybody or hurt anybody. 174 00:14:01,448 --> 00:14:04,565 - That's not your grandpa. - I know, Grandpa. 175 00:14:05,688 --> 00:14:07,838 Your mama, she's a good lawyer. 176 00:14:08,288 --> 00:14:13,078 - She'll defend you? - Yeah, we're a family. 177 00:14:13,288 --> 00:14:17,964 - You got trouble, I help. I got trouble.... - I help. 178 00:14:18,168 --> 00:14:19,965 You help. 179 00:14:21,128 --> 00:14:24,803 If somebody says something about your grandpa... 180 00:14:25,048 --> 00:14:28,484 ...one of your friends, you say: 181 00:14:28,688 --> 00:14:31,407 "Fuck you! Jump in the lake." 182 00:14:31,608 --> 00:14:33,439 I can say that? 183 00:14:51,968 --> 00:14:55,005 - Good night, Mikey. - Good night, Grandpa. 184 00:14:57,568 --> 00:14:59,399 Papa? 185 00:15:03,768 --> 00:15:07,238 - Papa, I'll represent you. - Good. 186 00:15:08,608 --> 00:15:11,247 "Good"? That's all? 187 00:15:12,848 --> 00:15:15,726 - Very good. - Oh, "very good." 188 00:15:17,568 --> 00:15:21,686 I need to know everything about you, everything that they might know. 189 00:15:22,328 --> 00:15:25,081 I think you should stay here with me and Mikey for a while. 190 00:15:25,288 --> 00:15:28,724 No. I'll go to my own house. 191 00:15:28,968 --> 00:15:32,005 But we can work better out of here, Papa. 192 00:15:34,168 --> 00:15:36,238 It's not gonna be easy. 193 00:15:41,008 --> 00:15:42,600 Papa? 194 00:15:43,408 --> 00:15:45,399 It'll be okay. 195 00:15:45,848 --> 00:15:47,964 It'll be okay, Papa. 196 00:15:48,168 --> 00:15:53,162 No, Annie, it's never going to be okay again. 197 00:15:57,728 --> 00:16:00,800 Hey, hey. Hey, nice boots. You're looking good. 198 00:16:01,008 --> 00:16:03,158 Good-looking butt too. 199 00:16:03,768 --> 00:16:05,201 - Hi. How you doing? - Hey, Karchy. 200 00:16:05,408 --> 00:16:07,922 - Why don't you come inside. - No, no, I forgot my tie. 201 00:16:08,128 --> 00:16:11,086 Listen, I got a list of guys from the mill who are gonna testify. 202 00:16:11,288 --> 00:16:14,724 - Okay? I can get more if you want to. - No, this will be enough, this is-- 203 00:16:15,048 --> 00:16:17,846 You're gonna get him out of this, ain't you? 204 00:16:18,528 --> 00:16:20,484 - Ain't you? - Yes. 205 00:16:20,688 --> 00:16:24,397 I mean, you better. Because if this was a bar fight and he needed me... 206 00:16:24,608 --> 00:16:29,966 ...I'd slice some nuts. Pop, he busted his guts 30 years in that fucking mill. 207 00:16:30,168 --> 00:16:34,002 - He did it all for us here, you know? - I know that, Karchy. 208 00:16:34,208 --> 00:16:37,359 - Well, what's going on? - Well, I have to put the case together. 209 00:16:37,568 --> 00:16:39,763 He ain't no fucking case, he's Pop. 210 00:16:39,968 --> 00:16:42,038 Now, you're gonna have to slice some nuts here. 211 00:16:42,248 --> 00:16:44,637 Karchy, why do you always have to talk so crude? 212 00:16:44,848 --> 00:16:48,727 What? You know another way of slicing nuts without being crude? 213 00:16:48,928 --> 00:16:50,884 I'm gonna have to get crude here. 214 00:16:55,208 --> 00:16:56,402 Go to work. 215 00:16:56,728 --> 00:17:00,721 I just don't want you losing clients because I'm working out of this office. 216 00:17:00,928 --> 00:17:03,362 I'll work out of my ex-father-in-law's office. 217 00:17:03,568 --> 00:17:06,480 - She returns to Harry Talbot. - Just for the trial. 218 00:17:06,688 --> 00:17:08,406 Here, these are Monday's hearings. 219 00:17:08,608 --> 00:17:12,487 - These trials last for years, Ann. - Oh, not this one, Mackie. 220 00:17:14,128 --> 00:17:17,040 Harry was in the OSS during the war, you know. 221 00:17:17,248 --> 00:17:19,523 And the OSS becomes the ClA. 222 00:17:19,729 --> 00:17:22,766 And the ClA sets up its first little spy apparatus in Europe... 223 00:17:22,969 --> 00:17:26,041 ...by putting a bunch of Gestapo guys on the payroll. 224 00:17:26,249 --> 00:17:30,208 Word is Harry used to sip his bourbon with Klaus Barbie. 225 00:17:30,409 --> 00:17:34,004 Well, now, the word I heard was that he sipped bourbon with senators. 226 00:17:34,209 --> 00:17:37,087 He even sipped bourbon in the White House a couple times. 227 00:17:37,289 --> 00:17:40,201 I never heard anything about Klaus Barbie. 228 00:17:40,409 --> 00:17:42,923 Those are all next week. 229 00:17:43,489 --> 00:17:46,208 Why don't you get somebody else to represent your father? 230 00:17:46,409 --> 00:17:49,207 Get that guy from Cleveland. He handled that Dimuna-- 231 00:17:49,409 --> 00:17:53,322 That Demjena-- That Dimjolt guy, whatever his name was. 232 00:17:53,529 --> 00:17:55,201 Take it easy. 233 00:17:55,409 --> 00:17:56,762 He wants me to represent him. 234 00:17:56,969 --> 00:17:58,766 What do you know about 40 years ago... 235 00:17:58,969 --> 00:18:00,960 ...in a part of the world you've never been? 236 00:18:01,169 --> 00:18:03,205 What do we know about our parents? 237 00:18:03,529 --> 00:18:06,566 Oh, I know him, Mackie. He raised me. 238 00:18:07,369 --> 00:18:09,678 Have you ever thought about his fantasies? 239 00:18:09,889 --> 00:18:13,484 - How he makes love? - Oh, Lord. 240 00:18:13,689 --> 00:18:15,998 I don't understand why you can't work out of here. 241 00:18:16,209 --> 00:18:19,440 Maybe she's afraid you're gonna be going through her drawers. 242 00:18:20,249 --> 00:18:23,207 - God knows I tried. - Very funny, Sandy. 243 00:18:23,409 --> 00:18:26,048 This isn't funny, Annie. This is Uncle Sam's big truck... 244 00:18:26,249 --> 00:18:27,807 ...coming down full-bore. 245 00:18:34,529 --> 00:18:38,408 - Hi, Harry. - So we finally got you back, did we? 246 00:18:39,529 --> 00:18:43,124 After all these years of your ethnic airs about working up here. 247 00:18:44,209 --> 00:18:47,724 Mrs. Cooper will take care of everything for you. Bourbon for me. 248 00:18:47,929 --> 00:18:52,002 Dean likes yuppie drinks. Sometimes the apple falls far from the tree. 249 00:18:53,489 --> 00:18:55,161 We got our judge. 250 00:18:55,689 --> 00:18:59,284 - Erwin Silver. - Silver, you kidding? 251 00:19:01,489 --> 00:19:03,798 I wish a jury could hear this. 252 00:19:04,009 --> 00:19:07,001 A daughter defending her father would strike them as heartrending. 253 00:19:07,209 --> 00:19:10,201 It's not gonna strike Erwin Silver as heartrending, I'll tell you. 254 00:19:10,409 --> 00:19:14,641 - All I know about him is that he's fair. - Sure he is. 255 00:19:15,889 --> 00:19:18,244 I don't care that he's Jewish, I care that he's fair. 256 00:19:18,449 --> 00:19:20,644 I care that he's fair. 257 00:19:21,129 --> 00:19:24,804 In this case, I also care that he's Jewish. 258 00:19:25,009 --> 00:19:28,160 Probably lean over backwards though. He'll have to. 259 00:19:31,409 --> 00:19:35,448 You think you could claim bias? Have his verdict put aside? 260 00:19:37,489 --> 00:19:40,322 Harry, I hadn't even thought of that. 261 00:19:41,409 --> 00:19:44,481 You don't have a prayer, you know that? 262 00:19:44,689 --> 00:19:46,680 The Holocaust is the world's sacred cow. 263 00:19:46,889 --> 00:19:49,722 Holocaust survivors are secular saints. 264 00:19:49,929 --> 00:19:52,887 You'd be better off pissing on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier... 265 00:19:53,089 --> 00:19:54,886 ...than trying to cross-examine him. 266 00:19:55,649 --> 00:19:58,482 - How's my grandson? - Fine. 267 00:19:58,689 --> 00:20:01,283 That's all you ever say about him. "He's fine." 268 00:20:02,569 --> 00:20:04,366 He's fine. 269 00:20:08,489 --> 00:20:12,323 When you've settled in, you can use my secretaries, they're at your disposal. 270 00:20:12,529 --> 00:20:15,726 By the way, Mischka didn't do it, did he? 271 00:20:30,049 --> 00:20:31,846 This is it. 272 00:20:32,809 --> 00:20:36,324 - So I'll see you later then? - Yeah. 273 00:21:59,370 --> 00:22:02,840 Bring me a Scotch and a bottle of whatever Mrs. Talbot's drinking. 274 00:22:06,530 --> 00:22:08,600 I had a professor in law school who'd say: 275 00:22:08,810 --> 00:22:13,201 "Don't ever let a case beat you down. Always trust what you feel inside." 276 00:22:13,770 --> 00:22:15,840 But he wasn't a litigator. 277 00:22:16,450 --> 00:22:20,966 He was dropping pearls of wisdom on young, idealistic students. 278 00:22:22,730 --> 00:22:26,120 You're trusting your heart. And you're going to get it broken. 279 00:22:26,330 --> 00:22:28,560 What are you trusting, your ambitions? 280 00:22:29,010 --> 00:22:33,322 It must be devastating to have to read those things about someone you love. 281 00:22:33,890 --> 00:22:35,642 I'm sorry. 282 00:22:35,850 --> 00:22:38,842 I don't want your condescension. 283 00:22:40,330 --> 00:22:42,446 Come on, have a drink. 284 00:22:44,130 --> 00:22:46,883 You've got the wrong man. 285 00:22:47,290 --> 00:22:48,848 I wish we did. 286 00:22:49,090 --> 00:22:53,003 You know, it's a perfect camouflage. Raise a couple of all-American kids... 287 00:22:53,210 --> 00:22:55,440 ...and you avoid even a shadow of suspicion. 288 00:22:55,650 --> 00:22:57,606 - You know, you're his perfect alibi. - Yeah? 289 00:22:57,810 --> 00:23:00,802 I'm sorry. Oh, violence runs in the family. 290 00:23:01,010 --> 00:23:03,080 Fuck you. 291 00:23:10,930 --> 00:23:13,398 Now, when I say go, we both point to the right. 292 00:23:13,610 --> 00:23:15,282 Go. 293 00:23:19,690 --> 00:23:22,807 -Hey, porcupine. Come here. - Hi. 294 00:23:23,010 --> 00:23:25,240 -Dinner's ready. - Point to the right, will you? 295 00:23:25,450 --> 00:23:27,327 I'm not gonna eat. 296 00:23:27,770 --> 00:23:29,806 How can you watch this? 297 00:23:31,570 --> 00:23:33,288 What's the matter? 298 00:23:38,090 --> 00:23:41,366 How would you feel, Papa, if we had a Jewish judge? 299 00:23:43,570 --> 00:23:45,606 You think it's a good idea? 300 00:23:45,810 --> 00:23:47,607 A funny idea, that's for sure. 301 00:23:48,130 --> 00:23:52,806 - He's a good judge. - Okay. If you think so, it's okay. 302 00:23:59,930 --> 00:24:02,649 Papa, why didn't we ever have any Jewish friends? 303 00:24:03,970 --> 00:24:06,359 How are we gonna meet? 304 00:24:06,570 --> 00:24:10,245 Our friends, we see at church, on the west side. 305 00:24:11,170 --> 00:24:13,923 Jews live on the other side. 306 00:24:14,610 --> 00:24:16,168 At mill, I have Jewish friends. 307 00:24:16,370 --> 00:24:18,600 Why didn't you ever invite them to the house? 308 00:24:19,050 --> 00:24:21,120 They no invite me to come over. 309 00:24:21,650 --> 00:24:26,405 At the university, you dated a Jewish boy. 310 00:24:27,250 --> 00:24:31,084 I told you not to date a Jewish boy. 311 00:24:31,410 --> 00:24:33,401 Papa, tell me about the Special Section. 312 00:24:37,250 --> 00:24:38,888 Those... 313 00:24:39,090 --> 00:24:41,968 ...killers. Close to the SS. 314 00:24:44,570 --> 00:24:46,003 Commando. 315 00:24:49,410 --> 00:24:51,401 I don't know. 316 00:24:52,770 --> 00:24:54,328 I've got nothing to do with them. 317 00:24:55,370 --> 00:24:57,122 Papa... 318 00:24:57,330 --> 00:25:00,686 ...they have a Photostat of a Special Section ID card... 319 00:25:00,890 --> 00:25:03,563 ...with your signature, with your picture on it. 320 00:25:04,130 --> 00:25:06,121 It's not possible. 321 00:25:06,610 --> 00:25:08,487 Where did they get it? 322 00:25:08,690 --> 00:25:11,079 The Hungarian government turned it over to them. 323 00:25:16,570 --> 00:25:19,368 I tell you, they.... 324 00:25:20,250 --> 00:25:23,322 They put my gendarme picture on it. 325 00:25:23,690 --> 00:25:26,443 My-- My writing. 326 00:25:26,810 --> 00:25:29,165 To fake. To fake the card. 327 00:25:30,530 --> 00:25:32,486 They got witnesses. 328 00:25:32,690 --> 00:25:36,046 Witnesses who identify you. 329 00:25:38,211 --> 00:25:41,760 They're accusing you of horrible things, Papa. 330 00:25:41,971 --> 00:25:45,566 Annie, the Communists said to them: 331 00:25:45,771 --> 00:25:49,320 "Better for you if you identify him." 332 00:25:49,531 --> 00:25:51,761 lsn't there some record somewhere, Papa? 333 00:25:51,971 --> 00:25:54,849 Some record of your assignment as a clerk? 334 00:25:55,051 --> 00:25:57,519 They're going to tell you they don't have it. 335 00:25:57,851 --> 00:26:00,081 It was lost in the bombings. 336 00:26:01,731 --> 00:26:04,609 The Americans drop bombs in the war. 337 00:26:05,571 --> 00:26:07,482 That's funny. 338 00:26:10,091 --> 00:26:11,922 Annie... 339 00:26:12,291 --> 00:26:16,330 ...are you upset at me? Or at the case? 340 00:26:17,491 --> 00:26:19,959 It makes me sick, Papa. 341 00:26:21,171 --> 00:26:23,321 They took those people... 342 00:26:23,931 --> 00:26:27,810 ...women and children, and they lined them up on the riverbank. 343 00:26:28,291 --> 00:26:30,930 That's why I came to America. 344 00:26:32,251 --> 00:26:34,811 It made me ashamed of being Hungarian. 345 00:26:35,011 --> 00:26:37,127 You are American. 346 00:26:43,931 --> 00:26:47,560 We are American. 347 00:26:49,931 --> 00:26:51,842 You're lucky... 348 00:26:53,131 --> 00:26:55,691 ...to be young in America. 349 00:26:56,331 --> 00:26:58,401 Not in Europe... 350 00:26:59,171 --> 00:27:02,049 ...during the war. 351 00:27:08,451 --> 00:27:10,043 Let's start from the beginning. 352 00:27:10,251 --> 00:27:12,048 - Let's start from the beginning. - Okay. 353 00:27:15,811 --> 00:27:18,245 - "Had."Had a dog. Had a dog. - What? 354 00:27:18,451 --> 00:27:21,807 - "Had,"not "has." - Maybe we should forget this, go home. 355 00:27:22,051 --> 00:27:28,126 Six million dead! Six million dead! Six million dead! 356 00:27:28,771 --> 00:27:32,366 - I'm not scared, Grandpa. - Me either. 357 00:27:39,651 --> 00:27:42,563 Nazi, go home! Nazi, go home! 358 00:27:42,771 --> 00:27:46,002 You see them? They've already decided I'm guilty. 359 00:27:46,211 --> 00:27:50,329 See, Mike, it's white folks like you that ruin a nice integrated neighbourhood. 360 00:27:50,531 --> 00:27:54,763 Okay, gypsy, you piss on the poor man. Everybody piss on the poor man. 361 00:27:54,971 --> 00:27:56,962 Gypsy piss too. 362 00:28:00,771 --> 00:28:04,047 I've gotta sneak into my own house like a robber. 363 00:28:08,611 --> 00:28:11,079 Mikey, no, no, no. 364 00:28:12,411 --> 00:28:14,766 I'm not afraid, Grandpa. 365 00:28:15,411 --> 00:28:20,121 Go home! Nazi, go home! Nazi, go home! 366 00:28:21,291 --> 00:28:22,929 Okay. 367 00:28:24,131 --> 00:28:26,167 I'll get the stuff you want. 368 00:28:26,371 --> 00:28:28,965 - Is this your wedding picture? - Yeah, it is. 369 00:28:30,331 --> 00:28:33,004 Ann looks just like her mother. 370 00:28:37,571 --> 00:28:40,449 It must have been hard, a widower with two kids. 371 00:28:40,651 --> 00:28:45,008 In the beginning, yeah. But then Annie took care of everything. 372 00:28:45,571 --> 00:28:48,643 I like you better with a moustache, I think. 373 00:28:49,251 --> 00:28:50,684 You need the bank papers too? 374 00:28:51,251 --> 00:28:52,684 Yes, everything. 375 00:28:56,371 --> 00:28:58,327 Come away from there. 376 00:28:58,811 --> 00:29:00,449 - Are you okay? - Yeah, I'm fine. 377 00:29:03,571 --> 00:29:05,926 Get out of here. Leave us alone! 378 00:29:06,131 --> 00:29:09,806 -Nazi, go home! Nazi, go home! - Leave us alone! 379 00:29:10,011 --> 00:29:13,526 -Nazi, go home! Nazi, go home! - Go, go, go. Come on. Come on. 380 00:29:18,011 --> 00:29:20,320 You must be elated this morning. 381 00:29:21,251 --> 00:29:24,288 Old man in a Bears cap, his arm around his grandson... 382 00:29:24,491 --> 00:29:27,449 ...being threatened by a screaming mob. A jury will love it. 383 00:29:27,651 --> 00:29:30,370 I think he should be shot for taking Mikey over there. 384 00:29:30,571 --> 00:29:32,687 What jury? I won't have a jury. 385 00:29:32,891 --> 00:29:35,246 Sure you will. The world will be your jury. 386 00:29:35,451 --> 00:29:38,807 Even paragons of virtue like Judge Silver are human beings. 387 00:29:39,011 --> 00:29:41,571 - Good morning, Mr. Talbot. - Morning, Jimmy. 388 00:29:41,971 --> 00:29:44,724 I did some checking on your prosecutor. 389 00:29:45,771 --> 00:29:47,523 I didn't ask you to do that. 390 00:29:47,972 --> 00:29:50,486 He was a federal prosecutor in Philadelphia, good one. 391 00:29:50,692 --> 00:29:51,966 Never lost a case. 392 00:29:52,172 --> 00:29:54,732 Nine months ago, he shows up at Justice in Washington... 393 00:29:54,932 --> 00:29:57,605 ...volunteers for Special Investigations. 394 00:29:57,812 --> 00:30:01,566 I'll make phone calls to Philadelphia, find out what happened there. 395 00:30:02,452 --> 00:30:05,444 I can handle my own case, Harry, I don't need any help. 396 00:30:05,652 --> 00:30:09,645 From what I hear with this case, you're gonna need all the help you can get. 397 00:30:10,052 --> 00:30:12,168 What's that supposed to mean? 398 00:30:12,372 --> 00:30:15,569 - Hear from who? - Hear from "whom." 399 00:30:15,772 --> 00:30:18,047 I thought you'd mastered the English language. 400 00:30:18,252 --> 00:30:20,243 - Hear from whom? - Better. 401 00:30:20,612 --> 00:30:23,126 - Hey, Georgine! - Don't you have a boy to get home to? 402 00:30:23,332 --> 00:30:26,449 Georgine, I found it. Same thing happened before. 403 00:30:26,652 --> 00:30:31,282 A man by the name of Walus, charged with war crimes in Lithuania. 404 00:30:31,492 --> 00:30:34,165 They prepare this elaborate case, they bring him to trial... 405 00:30:34,372 --> 00:30:37,921 ...they brought over all these witnesses. He was the wrong man. 406 00:30:38,132 --> 00:30:40,521 The wrong man. The witnesses were mistaken. 407 00:30:40,732 --> 00:30:45,283 They simply had the wrong man. The judge found him innocent. 408 00:30:48,372 --> 00:30:50,567 Yeah, so tell me about my dad. 409 00:30:50,772 --> 00:30:54,685 Well, he goes to church, to the cemetery. 410 00:30:54,892 --> 00:30:58,567 He buys strudel at the bakery, he plays checkers in the park. 411 00:30:58,772 --> 00:31:01,764 He even makes a few bets on the Cubs and the Bears games. 412 00:31:01,972 --> 00:31:05,885 Oh, I'm gonna have to tell Karchy. He's always after Karchy for betting. 413 00:31:06,092 --> 00:31:08,925 - Do you know an Irma Kiss? - Who? 414 00:31:09,132 --> 00:31:11,805 Mrs. Irma Kiss, a widow. 415 00:31:12,012 --> 00:31:17,166 Oh, Kiss. Yes, Irma Kiss. She makes doughnuts at the church. 416 00:31:17,372 --> 00:31:20,364 - That ain't all she makes. - What? 417 00:31:20,692 --> 00:31:25,243 Off and on for 1 0 years now. Three, four times a month. 418 00:31:29,012 --> 00:31:31,401 I don't believe it. 419 00:31:34,892 --> 00:31:36,564 No. 420 00:31:40,372 --> 00:31:43,011 Now, he doesn't spend a lot of money... 421 00:31:43,212 --> 00:31:48,047 ...but he did spend much more for a while a couple of years ago... 422 00:31:48,492 --> 00:31:51,723 ...but then I guess he learned to stick to $1 0 bets. 423 00:31:51,932 --> 00:31:56,608 - Who's Tibor Zoldan? - I don't know. 424 00:31:56,812 --> 00:32:00,202 Mike wrote him a $2000 check three years ago. 425 00:32:00,412 --> 00:32:03,449 It's the biggest check he's ever written. 426 00:32:04,252 --> 00:32:07,767 This group he belongs to, the Attila Circle... 427 00:32:07,972 --> 00:32:11,362 ...it's just a bunch of little old guys who drag out the picket signs... 428 00:32:11,572 --> 00:32:14,040 ...whenever some dimwit Communist diplomat... 429 00:32:14,252 --> 00:32:16,925 ...makes the mistake of coming over here. 430 00:32:17,772 --> 00:32:22,084 Honestly, Ann, I don't think there's no devil here to advocate. 431 00:32:25,732 --> 00:32:27,245 What? 432 00:32:28,732 --> 00:32:30,484 Irma Kiss. 433 00:32:31,212 --> 00:32:34,443 Papa, who's Tibor Zoldan? 434 00:32:34,652 --> 00:32:36,483 A friend from the refugee camp. 435 00:32:36,692 --> 00:32:39,923 He went back to the old country, then he came here. 436 00:32:40,252 --> 00:32:43,164 I gave him some money to get started... 437 00:32:43,372 --> 00:32:45,727 ...and he got himself killed in a car accident... 438 00:32:45,932 --> 00:32:48,605 ...and then I didn't get my money back. 439 00:32:51,332 --> 00:32:52,970 Are you ready? 440 00:32:53,172 --> 00:32:56,562 I've spent my whole life trying to forget what I saw. 441 00:32:56,772 --> 00:33:00,651 - Now I have to remember. - We have to do this, Papa. 442 00:33:02,772 --> 00:33:05,764 All right, let's begin with Mrs. Kiss. 443 00:33:12,492 --> 00:33:14,767 Irma Kiss? 444 00:33:15,572 --> 00:33:17,369 Jesus Christ. 445 00:33:17,572 --> 00:33:21,042 Damn lawyers. They find out everything. 446 00:33:24,812 --> 00:33:27,531 Papa, why didn't you ever marry her? 447 00:33:29,932 --> 00:33:32,844 I couldn't marry anyone after your mama. 448 00:33:33,412 --> 00:33:36,131 You didn't need another mama. 449 00:33:36,852 --> 00:33:38,729 How about you? 450 00:33:39,452 --> 00:33:42,205 You meet anybody since you got divorced? 451 00:33:45,492 --> 00:33:48,131 Well, yeah. I mean, I've met a few men. 452 00:33:49,732 --> 00:33:52,326 What about Dean? 453 00:33:52,812 --> 00:33:54,404 Yeah. What about Dean? 454 00:33:56,853 --> 00:33:58,809 He's a nice man. 455 00:33:59,173 --> 00:34:03,371 - And he still loves you, Annie. - Okay. 456 00:34:04,093 --> 00:34:06,163 Tell me how you joined the gendarmes. 457 00:34:11,853 --> 00:34:13,730 Papa was a peasant. 458 00:34:14,333 --> 00:34:16,722 We were very poor. 459 00:34:17,333 --> 00:34:19,927 I didn't go to school. No money. 460 00:34:21,733 --> 00:34:23,769 I liked the gendarme. 461 00:34:24,493 --> 00:34:28,008 They paid good, had a nice uniform... 462 00:34:28,413 --> 00:34:30,131 ...with a feather on the hat. 463 00:34:30,333 --> 00:34:32,528 And the music. 464 00:34:45,133 --> 00:34:46,851 - Hello. - Well, hello. 465 00:34:47,213 --> 00:34:51,172 So you wanna take a swing at me this time? Is that why you invited me here? 466 00:34:51,373 --> 00:34:54,331 Look, I've always had a working relationship with the other side. 467 00:34:54,533 --> 00:34:56,091 We just got off on the wrong foot. 468 00:34:56,293 --> 00:34:59,444 The night before court, you wanna work on the working relationship. 469 00:34:59,653 --> 00:35:00,927 Terrific. 470 00:35:01,133 --> 00:35:03,124 What do you really want? 471 00:35:10,453 --> 00:35:12,762 My father was manager of a restaurant. 472 00:35:12,973 --> 00:35:15,931 - Yeah? - But he didn't have music like this. 473 00:35:16,133 --> 00:35:19,250 And the room wasn't near as pretty as this. 474 00:35:20,373 --> 00:35:22,489 Yeah. I.... 475 00:35:23,053 --> 00:35:25,408 I wasn't too keen on the smell of grilled onions... 476 00:35:25,613 --> 00:35:27,968 ...so after I got my degree, I became a-- 477 00:35:28,173 --> 00:35:31,563 I worked for the county as an assistant to the DA. 478 00:35:31,853 --> 00:35:35,084 And after a while... 479 00:35:35,333 --> 00:35:37,085 ...Uncle Sam came after me. 480 00:35:37,293 --> 00:35:40,046 Here I am, and here we are. 481 00:35:40,573 --> 00:35:42,370 Cheers. 482 00:35:45,213 --> 00:35:49,764 So how does a Laszlo become a Talbot? 483 00:35:52,133 --> 00:35:55,728 It's easy to fall in love when you've got something in common. 484 00:35:55,933 --> 00:35:57,810 Oh, yeah? Like what? 485 00:35:59,293 --> 00:36:01,249 Like he didn't wanna be a Talbot anymore... 486 00:36:01,453 --> 00:36:04,092 ...and I didn't want to stay a Laszlo. 487 00:36:04,813 --> 00:36:06,804 Sounds like heaven. 488 00:36:07,453 --> 00:36:12,083 So, what happened? With all these lofty ambitions? 489 00:36:13,493 --> 00:36:17,452 It was a big move from Damon Avenue to Lake Forest. 490 00:36:17,653 --> 00:36:20,884 I guess I never quite got there. 491 00:36:22,213 --> 00:36:25,205 What is this stuff? It's unusual, huh? 492 00:36:26,133 --> 00:36:28,931 It's good, but it's different. 493 00:36:31,253 --> 00:36:33,403 It's called Bull's Blood. 494 00:36:33,693 --> 00:36:36,446 It kind of sneaks up on you. Clobbers you. 495 00:36:36,653 --> 00:36:37,972 I bet. 496 00:36:38,933 --> 00:36:42,209 - It's a Hungarian trait. - Really? 497 00:36:46,373 --> 00:36:49,604 I heard about your wife. I'm sorry. 498 00:36:52,013 --> 00:36:54,481 You must've felt very bad. 499 00:36:55,533 --> 00:36:57,524 Yes. It was... 500 00:36:58,453 --> 00:37:00,489 ...a terrible accident. 501 00:37:02,253 --> 00:37:04,721 The police report said you were drunk. 502 00:37:08,813 --> 00:37:11,247 It must not have been very easy to cover up. 503 00:37:12,293 --> 00:37:15,126 You know, I liked you, Mrs. Talbot. 504 00:37:15,373 --> 00:37:18,285 Now I think I must have misjudged you. 505 00:37:18,893 --> 00:37:20,804 You are your father's daughter. 506 00:37:21,013 --> 00:37:23,129 Well, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to upset you. 507 00:37:23,333 --> 00:37:24,891 Yes, you did. 508 00:37:25,093 --> 00:37:27,846 You find the soft spot, then you like to turn the knife. 509 00:37:28,053 --> 00:37:31,682 So didn't joining legal aid ease the guilt, Jack? 510 00:37:32,653 --> 00:37:35,725 What if going after war criminals doesn't do it either? 511 00:37:35,933 --> 00:37:37,446 What are you gonna do then? 512 00:37:37,653 --> 00:37:41,441 You're gonna find Jesus. You're gonna get yourself born-again? 513 00:37:41,653 --> 00:37:44,451 Do you honestly think you need a self-serving reason... 514 00:37:44,653 --> 00:37:47,087 ...to justify prosecuting war criminals? 515 00:37:49,053 --> 00:37:52,250 I think maybe you should get another lawyer, Mrs. Talbot. 516 00:37:52,453 --> 00:37:54,683 Maybe a real lawyer to defend your father. 517 00:37:54,893 --> 00:37:57,282 One who's not emotionally involved. 518 00:37:57,493 --> 00:38:00,963 If you like, I'll accept a postponement while you... 519 00:38:01,173 --> 00:38:03,243 ...get a replacement. 520 00:38:03,453 --> 00:38:05,011 And by the way... 521 00:38:05,213 --> 00:38:07,807 ...they never pressed charges because there was no case. 522 00:38:08,014 --> 00:38:09,333 I was innocent. 523 00:38:09,534 --> 00:38:12,094 But they could've pressed charges, couldn't they, Jack? 524 00:38:12,294 --> 00:38:14,967 They could've built a case if they wanted to. 525 00:38:15,174 --> 00:38:17,130 Just like you're doing with my father. 526 00:38:17,334 --> 00:38:21,088 I fail to see how you can equate one with the other, Mrs. Talbot... 527 00:38:21,294 --> 00:38:22,966 ...but maybe you can in court. 528 00:38:23,174 --> 00:38:26,371 Good evening. I hope you enjoy your dinner. 529 00:38:37,654 --> 00:38:39,053 Smile, Papa. 530 00:38:40,374 --> 00:38:45,129 How can I smile? I'm scared. I'm going to pee in my pants. 531 00:38:45,814 --> 00:38:48,282 Papa, I want you to be real friendly with Georgine. 532 00:38:48,494 --> 00:38:49,893 Talk to her. Smile at her. 533 00:38:51,814 --> 00:38:53,805 Mike Laszlo. 534 00:38:56,854 --> 00:38:59,971 Six million lies! 535 00:39:08,774 --> 00:39:11,004 We're behind you, Mike! 536 00:39:11,614 --> 00:39:13,525 God be with you. 537 00:39:14,054 --> 00:39:15,567 Mike is innocent. 538 00:39:16,374 --> 00:39:17,602 Mike is innocent. 539 00:39:20,374 --> 00:39:23,093 Any statement, Mrs. Talbot? 540 00:39:37,054 --> 00:39:38,328 Hi. Hi. Annie. 541 00:39:38,534 --> 00:39:40,843 Annie, can I sit up here with you guys? 542 00:39:41,054 --> 00:39:43,045 Karchy. Give Karchy a hug. 543 00:39:43,254 --> 00:39:45,085 - I saw him this morning. - Give him a hug. 544 00:39:45,294 --> 00:39:47,125 - Okay. Okay. - Go sit down. 545 00:39:47,334 --> 00:39:49,325 - Why? - Tomorrow, wear a suit. Go sit down. 546 00:39:49,534 --> 00:39:51,570 - Can I--? - Sit down. 547 00:39:55,174 --> 00:39:56,766 Talk to Georgine. 548 00:40:00,574 --> 00:40:02,610 A lot of people here, gypsy. 549 00:40:06,574 --> 00:40:08,610 All rise. 550 00:40:14,134 --> 00:40:16,125 Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye. 551 00:40:16,334 --> 00:40:17,892 United States District Court... 552 00:40:18,094 --> 00:40:20,892 ...for the northern district of Illinois is now in session. 553 00:40:21,094 --> 00:40:24,723 The Honourable Erwin W. Silver, judge, presiding. 554 00:40:24,934 --> 00:40:27,926 God save the United States and this honourable court. 555 00:40:28,134 --> 00:40:30,773 Please be seated and come to order. 556 00:40:31,334 --> 00:40:34,565 Case number 89-CN-22-80: 557 00:40:34,774 --> 00:40:39,245 The United States of America v. Michael J. Laszlo. 558 00:40:40,094 --> 00:40:45,373 I will tolerate no outbursts, disturbances or interruptions. 559 00:40:45,814 --> 00:40:47,645 You may make your opening statements. 560 00:40:48,654 --> 00:40:51,043 Thank you, Your Honour. May it please the court. 561 00:40:51,254 --> 00:40:53,131 - Mr. Burke. - Counsel? 562 00:40:53,774 --> 00:40:55,002 Mr. Burke. 563 00:40:56,854 --> 00:40:59,732 The issue in this case is simple. 564 00:41:00,294 --> 00:41:03,730 The evidence will show that Michael J. Laszlo... 565 00:41:03,934 --> 00:41:07,131 ...lied on his application for American citizenship... 566 00:41:07,334 --> 00:41:10,770 ...and was granted that citizenship under false pretences. 567 00:41:10,974 --> 00:41:14,250 His citizenship, consequently, must be taken away. 568 00:41:14,734 --> 00:41:17,294 He lied in order to hide the fact... 569 00:41:17,494 --> 00:41:23,091 ...that in the latter months of 1 944 and the early months of 1 945... 570 00:41:23,294 --> 00:41:28,652 ...he served as a member of an SS-organized Hungarian death squad... 571 00:41:28,854 --> 00:41:30,446 ...known as Arrow Cross. 572 00:41:30,654 --> 00:41:32,884 Also called the Special Section... 573 00:41:33,814 --> 00:41:36,726 ...a unit of the Hungarian gendarmes. 574 00:41:37,254 --> 00:41:41,008 Mr. Laszlo committed crimes so heinous that the mind boggles... 575 00:41:41,214 --> 00:41:42,727 ...trying to comprehend them. 576 00:41:42,934 --> 00:41:46,165 We are not speaking here of the banality of evil... 577 00:41:46,374 --> 00:41:51,892 ...of an anonymous bureaucrat sitting in an office giving orders... 578 00:41:52,294 --> 00:41:55,570 ...or a gendarme executing orders. 579 00:41:56,014 --> 00:41:58,608 We are speaking of a man... 580 00:41:58,814 --> 00:42:02,966 ...who committed these heinous crimes with his own hands. 581 00:42:03,174 --> 00:42:06,132 We are speaking of evil incarnate. 582 00:42:07,134 --> 00:42:09,045 Thank you, Your Honour. 583 00:42:11,854 --> 00:42:14,573 - Your Honour, if it please the court. - Mrs. Talbot. 584 00:42:14,774 --> 00:42:17,004 - Counsel. - Mrs. Talbot. 585 00:42:17,215 --> 00:42:18,648 Your Honour... 586 00:42:18,855 --> 00:42:21,847 ...the issue here is not whether my father lied... 587 00:42:22,055 --> 00:42:24,933 ...on his application for American citizenship. 588 00:42:25,135 --> 00:42:27,012 That is a smoke screen. 589 00:42:27,215 --> 00:42:29,126 Yes. My father did lie. 590 00:42:29,335 --> 00:42:32,327 But he did so because he did not want to be repatriated... 591 00:42:32,535 --> 00:42:34,924 ...by a Communist government that either executed... 592 00:42:35,135 --> 00:42:38,844 ...or sent to work camps all those who opposed it. 593 00:42:39,055 --> 00:42:41,011 My father was a gendarme. 594 00:42:41,215 --> 00:42:44,173 But he was not a member of the Special Section. 595 00:42:44,375 --> 00:42:46,525 My father worked as a clerk in an office. 596 00:42:46,735 --> 00:42:49,568 He requested that assignment because he could not tolerate... 597 00:42:49,775 --> 00:42:53,893 ...the brutalities that he witnessed his fellow gendarmes commit. 598 00:42:54,135 --> 00:42:58,333 My father is simply an innocent man who is unjustly accused. 599 00:42:58,855 --> 00:43:01,085 He is a man who is being punished by proxy... 600 00:43:01,295 --> 00:43:03,889 ...by a Communist government for an action he committed... 601 00:43:04,095 --> 00:43:07,565 ...against representatives of that government five years ago. 602 00:43:07,775 --> 00:43:09,970 - Your Honour, with your permission. - You may. 603 00:43:10,175 --> 00:43:11,927 Would you please? 604 00:43:17,975 --> 00:43:21,285 At an appearance here of the Hungarian National Folk Dancers... 605 00:43:21,495 --> 00:43:24,214 ...a group belonging to the Communist government... 606 00:43:24,495 --> 00:43:27,328 ...my father forced the performance to halt. 607 00:43:27,775 --> 00:43:30,892 The tour was cancelled, my father was arrested. 608 00:43:31,095 --> 00:43:33,655 Charges were later dismissed. 609 00:43:33,855 --> 00:43:36,767 The Hungarian government lodged an official protest... 610 00:43:36,975 --> 00:43:39,569 ...over the dismissal of those charges. 611 00:43:39,775 --> 00:43:42,687 The State Department rejected that protest. 612 00:43:42,895 --> 00:43:45,853 His action was a demonstration against the repressive policies... 613 00:43:46,055 --> 00:43:48,649 ...of the Communist government. Policies which resulted... 614 00:43:48,855 --> 00:43:54,532 ...in the deaths of 1 5,000 people during the Hungarian revolution of 1 956. 615 00:43:54,855 --> 00:43:57,244 My father is a good man. 616 00:43:57,455 --> 00:44:01,414 He's the kind of man who is willing to put himself at risk against injustice. 617 00:44:01,615 --> 00:44:03,173 I know that, Your Honour. 618 00:44:03,375 --> 00:44:06,447 And before this trial is over, I will prove it to you. 619 00:44:06,655 --> 00:44:08,134 Thank you. 620 00:44:08,535 --> 00:44:09,604 Yeah. 621 00:44:09,815 --> 00:44:12,807 You may call your first witness, Mr. Burke. 622 00:44:13,175 --> 00:44:15,769 I'm employed by the United States Department of Justice... 623 00:44:15,975 --> 00:44:18,125 ...the Immigration and Naturalization Service... 624 00:44:18,335 --> 00:44:21,645 ...at the Forensic Document Laboratory in McLean, Virginia. 625 00:44:21,855 --> 00:44:25,006 I'm a senior forensic document examiner. 626 00:44:27,175 --> 00:44:30,645 Now, what is the date of the Arrow Cross... 627 00:44:30,855 --> 00:44:33,927 ...Special Section identification card? 628 00:44:34,135 --> 00:44:35,807 November 1 , 1 944. 629 00:44:38,055 --> 00:44:40,649 Now, what is the date of the immigration card... 630 00:44:40,855 --> 00:44:42,891 ...issued upon arrival to the United States... 631 00:44:43,095 --> 00:44:45,529 ...the so-called green card? 632 00:44:45,735 --> 00:44:48,044 February 1 2, 1 952. 633 00:44:49,895 --> 00:44:51,772 Mr. Nathanson... 634 00:44:52,015 --> 00:44:54,927 ...what is your conclusion concerning the two documents? 635 00:44:55,135 --> 00:44:58,252 My conclusion is that the photographs are of the same man... 636 00:44:58,455 --> 00:45:00,332 ...and the signatures are of the same man: 637 00:45:00,535 --> 00:45:02,207 Michael J. Laszlo. 638 00:45:02,415 --> 00:45:06,294 Did you conduct an examination as to the authenticity... 639 00:45:06,495 --> 00:45:10,693 ...of the government exhibit one, the Special Section ID card? 640 00:45:10,895 --> 00:45:12,851 Objection, Your Honour. 641 00:45:13,735 --> 00:45:17,250 Government exhibit one is not a Special Section identification card. 642 00:45:17,455 --> 00:45:20,891 It is a Photostat of a Special Section identification card. 643 00:45:21,375 --> 00:45:23,127 Sustained. 644 00:45:23,575 --> 00:45:27,363 I conducted a full-phase examination of the Photostat I was provided... 645 00:45:27,575 --> 00:45:30,248 ...to determine whether there'd been alteration in any form. 646 00:45:30,455 --> 00:45:32,525 What methods did you use? 647 00:45:33,175 --> 00:45:36,645 I studied the document under low-power stereoscopic microscope... 648 00:45:36,855 --> 00:45:38,686 ...to determine background tone. 649 00:45:38,895 --> 00:45:41,648 In addition, I did a photo study and handwriting analysis... 650 00:45:41,855 --> 00:45:44,574 ...using all scientifically accepted methods. 651 00:45:44,775 --> 00:45:47,005 And what is your conclusion, Mr. Nathanson? 652 00:45:47,215 --> 00:45:50,048 The exhibit is authentic in my opinion. 653 00:45:50,335 --> 00:45:52,166 Your witness. 654 00:45:52,775 --> 00:45:54,367 Mr. Nathanson... 655 00:45:54,575 --> 00:45:57,851 ...when you say you did a photo study, you mean you did a photo study... 656 00:45:58,055 --> 00:46:00,444 - ...of a Photostat, isn't that correct? - Yes. 657 00:46:00,655 --> 00:46:02,486 Your Honour, may I approach the witness? 658 00:46:02,695 --> 00:46:04,048 Yes. 659 00:46:05,735 --> 00:46:09,171 The fact that government exhibit number one is a Photostat... 660 00:46:09,375 --> 00:46:12,845 ...and not the document itself, did that hinder you in any way? 661 00:46:13,055 --> 00:46:15,728 I felt I was not restricted by the Photostat. 662 00:46:15,935 --> 00:46:18,688 But would you have felt more confident in your conclusions... 663 00:46:18,895 --> 00:46:21,250 ...if you were dealing with the ID card itself? 664 00:46:21,575 --> 00:46:24,214 I feel confident in my conclusions without it. 665 00:46:24,695 --> 00:46:28,483 Mr. Nathanson, when analysing a Photostat... 666 00:46:28,696 --> 00:46:30,527 ...to authenticate a document... 667 00:46:30,736 --> 00:46:34,854 ...is it possible to consider the texture of the original document? 668 00:46:35,056 --> 00:46:37,172 A Photostat examined microscopically... 669 00:46:37,376 --> 00:46:39,253 ...would show any alteration in the paper. 670 00:46:39,696 --> 00:46:43,291 Can you authenticate the age of the paper with a Photostat? 671 00:46:43,496 --> 00:46:45,293 - Indirectly, yes. - Indirectly? 672 00:46:45,496 --> 00:46:47,805 - Yes. - But the only way to authenticate it... 673 00:46:48,016 --> 00:46:51,053 ...directly is by having the original document. 674 00:46:51,696 --> 00:46:53,095 Yes. 675 00:46:53,776 --> 00:46:58,054 So, Mr. Nathanson, your conclusions here today are not definitive, are they? 676 00:46:58,256 --> 00:46:59,484 In my opinion, they are. 677 00:46:59,696 --> 00:47:01,652 - In your opinion? - Yes. 678 00:47:03,176 --> 00:47:05,246 Mr. Nathanson, are you Jewish? 679 00:47:05,456 --> 00:47:08,892 Objection, Your Honour. The witness's religion is not relevant here. 680 00:47:09,096 --> 00:47:12,213 It relates directly, Your Honour, to his objectivity as a witness. 681 00:47:12,416 --> 00:47:14,566 He just stated he was offering an opinion. 682 00:47:14,776 --> 00:47:17,336 He offered conclusions based on 30 years of experience... 683 00:47:17,536 --> 00:47:20,608 - ...in the Justice Department. - Overruled. 684 00:47:20,816 --> 00:47:22,568 You may answer the question. 685 00:47:22,776 --> 00:47:24,175 I'm Unitarian. 686 00:47:24,656 --> 00:47:27,011 But I am part Jewish on my father's side. 687 00:47:27,736 --> 00:47:29,886 - Yeah. - No further questions, Your Honour. 688 00:47:30,096 --> 00:47:32,690 - Mr. Burke? - Nothing further, Your Honour. 689 00:47:32,896 --> 00:47:35,410 We will adjourn until tomorrow morning. 690 00:47:37,016 --> 00:47:39,735 First witness, and her bottom line is, "Are you Jewish?" 691 00:47:43,576 --> 00:47:45,009 Yes! 692 00:47:49,456 --> 00:47:53,847 Georgine, find out where the witnesses from Hungary are staying. 693 00:47:54,056 --> 00:47:56,411 I wanna know who they see and what they talk about. 694 00:47:56,616 --> 00:47:58,732 They're gonna be speaking Hungarian. 695 00:47:58,936 --> 00:48:02,326 I understand Hungarian. Don't I, Papa? 696 00:48:03,136 --> 00:48:07,607 You wear a suit tomorrow. You sit next to me, like Annie. Both my kids. 697 00:48:07,816 --> 00:48:10,694 - It's in the dry cleaner's, Pop. - Well, get it out. 698 00:48:15,296 --> 00:48:18,811 Hi, Grandpa. I saw you on TV again. 699 00:48:19,056 --> 00:48:21,092 - Hey, honey. - Hey, Mom. 700 00:48:21,816 --> 00:48:23,249 Let me see. 701 00:48:23,456 --> 00:48:25,333 - What's the matter with your eye? - Nothing. 702 00:48:25,536 --> 00:48:26,889 - What happened? - I'm fine. 703 00:48:27,096 --> 00:48:28,893 - It was just a fight at school. - Show me. 704 00:48:29,096 --> 00:48:31,166 - Let's put something on it. - I'm fine. 705 00:48:32,776 --> 00:48:34,494 Sons of a bitches! 706 00:48:34,696 --> 00:48:38,450 - Goddamn them to fucking hell. - Good night, Mr. Laszlo. 707 00:48:39,456 --> 00:48:41,526 Why, you! 708 00:48:43,736 --> 00:48:47,251 Hon, put this one on. This is fresh. 709 00:48:47,456 --> 00:48:50,016 Oh, Mikey. Why do you watch them? They're so violent. 710 00:48:50,216 --> 00:48:52,969 - No, they're not. They're funny. - No, they're stupid. 711 00:48:53,176 --> 00:48:55,565 Can I go to the trial with you? 712 00:48:56,176 --> 00:48:58,531 It's not for kids, honey. 713 00:48:59,296 --> 00:49:01,730 I already know all about that stuff anyway. 714 00:49:01,936 --> 00:49:04,404 - Yeah? - Grandpa told me all about it. 715 00:49:04,616 --> 00:49:06,572 What did he tell you? 716 00:49:07,056 --> 00:49:08,933 It's a secret just between him and me. 717 00:49:09,496 --> 00:49:11,407 You can't tell me? 718 00:49:14,296 --> 00:49:16,764 He said it's all a big exaggeration. 719 00:49:16,976 --> 00:49:19,365 The Holocaust and stuff. 720 00:49:19,616 --> 00:49:21,254 It's all made-up. 721 00:49:22,416 --> 00:49:24,134 He said that? 722 00:49:24,936 --> 00:49:27,450 You're not gonna say anything, are you? 723 00:49:28,896 --> 00:49:30,329 Keep that on your eye. 724 00:49:30,536 --> 00:49:32,970 -Just keep it on your eye. - Wise guy. I'll plank him. 725 00:49:33,176 --> 00:49:36,293 Turn this off, Mikey. You've got homework. 726 00:49:39,856 --> 00:49:42,893 - That was a stupid thing to say. - What did I say? 727 00:49:43,296 --> 00:49:45,685 What you said to Mikey about the Holocaust. 728 00:49:45,896 --> 00:49:48,364 - I didn't say anything to him. - Don't lie to me, Papa. 729 00:49:48,576 --> 00:49:50,373 - I'm not lying to you. - He just told me. 730 00:49:50,576 --> 00:49:52,089 He didn't! 731 00:49:52,336 --> 00:49:53,769 Grandpa Talbot. 732 00:49:54,896 --> 00:49:57,854 You said you wouldn't say anything! 733 00:50:06,056 --> 00:50:07,967 All rise. 734 00:50:13,536 --> 00:50:15,891 - Come, sit up here. - Please be seated. 735 00:50:20,576 --> 00:50:22,692 Just keep your mouth shut today. 736 00:50:22,896 --> 00:50:24,568 Call your next witness, Mr. Burke. 737 00:50:25,776 --> 00:50:27,892 May we see you in chambers, Your Honour? 738 00:50:28,096 --> 00:50:29,370 You may. 739 00:50:29,576 --> 00:50:31,248 All rise. 740 00:50:31,456 --> 00:50:34,653 - What's going on, Annie? - I don't know. 741 00:50:36,737 --> 00:50:39,376 - What's going on, Pop? - I don't know. 742 00:50:40,857 --> 00:50:42,813 I have some good news, Your Honour. 743 00:50:43,017 --> 00:50:44,894 The Hungarian government has turned over... 744 00:50:45,097 --> 00:50:49,693 ...the Special Section ID card itself to the Justice Department labs. 745 00:50:50,217 --> 00:50:52,777 Maybe that will clarify everything. 746 00:50:52,977 --> 00:50:55,047 Do you have a problem with that, Mrs. Talbot? 747 00:50:55,257 --> 00:50:56,895 No, Your Honour. 748 00:50:58,377 --> 00:51:01,289 It's funny. I score some points on one of your witnesses... 749 00:51:01,497 --> 00:51:04,569 ...and they throw something in the pot from Budapest. 750 00:51:05,057 --> 00:51:06,729 They prosecuting the case, or are you? 751 00:51:06,977 --> 00:51:09,491 Come on. We've been working for months... 752 00:51:09,697 --> 00:51:12,211 ...through the embassies to get the original card. 753 00:51:12,417 --> 00:51:14,647 The way you've been carrying on about Photostat... 754 00:51:14,857 --> 00:51:16,495 ...you should be jumping with joy. 755 00:51:16,697 --> 00:51:19,848 I'll let your forensic-documents man examine it first. 756 00:51:20,057 --> 00:51:23,015 - Will a week be sufficient? - Yes, Your Honour. Thank you. 757 00:51:27,657 --> 00:51:29,852 Mrs. Hollo, tell us what happened... 758 00:51:30,057 --> 00:51:34,209 ...on the afternoon of January the 1 1 th, 1 945. 759 00:51:36,497 --> 00:51:38,328 I worked at the steam dry cleaners. 760 00:51:43,497 --> 00:51:47,285 I left work early that day because the bombings were especially heavy. 761 00:51:52,737 --> 00:51:54,693 Do you approve of the translation, Papa? 762 00:51:54,897 --> 00:51:56,694 - All the buildings were on fire. - Yeah. 763 00:51:56,897 --> 00:51:58,933 There was smoke everywhere. 764 00:52:00,977 --> 00:52:02,535 The air-raid sirens were on. 765 00:52:05,377 --> 00:52:08,494 It was at Kalvin's Square where I saw them. 766 00:52:08,697 --> 00:52:10,574 Who did you see? 767 00:52:15,377 --> 00:52:18,130 I saw three men in black uniforms. 768 00:52:22,137 --> 00:52:24,253 I knew they were Special Section Arrow Cross. 769 00:52:24,457 --> 00:52:27,767 - This one can't even speak English. - Karchy. 770 00:52:28,017 --> 00:52:29,655 Karchy. 771 00:52:30,417 --> 00:52:31,645 Shut up. 772 00:52:31,857 --> 00:52:35,896 They were talking to my neighbour, Mrs. Canter, and her 1 0-year-old son. 773 00:52:42,497 --> 00:52:45,011 Then one of them yelled at the woman, "You gypsy whore. 774 00:52:45,217 --> 00:52:47,777 - What are you doing here?" - What did Mrs. Canter say? 775 00:52:51,737 --> 00:52:55,286 She started to cry and she said, "No, I'm not a gypsy." 776 00:53:04,137 --> 00:53:06,253 Then he yelled at her, "If you're not a Jew... 777 00:53:06,457 --> 00:53:09,608 ...tell your boy to say the 'Our Father."' 778 00:53:13,857 --> 00:53:16,894 She started to cry so hard she couldn't even speak. 779 00:53:19,217 --> 00:53:21,777 And the others just laughed. 780 00:53:26,817 --> 00:53:28,694 It's all right. Take your time. 781 00:53:29,657 --> 00:53:30,885 What happened? 782 00:53:32,937 --> 00:53:34,814 He shot her in the head. 783 00:53:40,617 --> 00:53:43,006 Then the boy threw himself on top of her... 784 00:53:43,217 --> 00:53:45,253 ...and then he shot the boy in the head also. 785 00:53:52,017 --> 00:53:54,770 Then one of them said, "Mischka, let's get out of here." 786 00:53:54,977 --> 00:53:56,205 And they just walked away. 787 00:53:56,417 --> 00:53:58,169 He called him Mischka? 788 00:53:58,377 --> 00:53:59,696 Yes. 789 00:53:59,937 --> 00:54:01,734 Mrs. Hollo... 790 00:54:04,137 --> 00:54:06,173 ...is this the man... 791 00:54:06,817 --> 00:54:09,012 ...that shot the mother and the boy? 792 00:54:09,937 --> 00:54:11,768 Yes. This is the man. 793 00:54:19,097 --> 00:54:20,928 He walked right by me when they left. 794 00:54:21,137 --> 00:54:24,254 He was so close I could have reached out and touched him. 795 00:54:24,457 --> 00:54:26,925 No further questions, Your Honour. 796 00:54:27,417 --> 00:54:28,930 Your witness. 797 00:54:29,137 --> 00:54:31,367 Mrs. Hollo, you must have an amazing memory... 798 00:54:31,577 --> 00:54:34,296 ...to recognize a face you saw only briefly 40 years ago. 799 00:54:34,497 --> 00:54:35,896 - Your Honour? - Yes. 800 00:54:36,097 --> 00:54:37,735 Mrs. Hollo... 801 00:54:37,977 --> 00:54:41,253 ...did you place a phone call to Budapest last night? 802 00:54:41,457 --> 00:54:44,608 Objection. Irrelevant and immaterial. This woman is not on trial here. 803 00:54:44,818 --> 00:54:46,649 Relates to the witness' state of mind. 804 00:54:46,858 --> 00:54:49,213 The witness' state of mind is not the issue here. 805 00:54:49,418 --> 00:54:53,536 - I will allow it. Get to the point soon. - Did you place a call to Budapest? 806 00:54:55,538 --> 00:54:57,494 Yes. I spoke to my son. 807 00:54:57,698 --> 00:54:59,450 And what does your son do in Hungary? 808 00:54:59,658 --> 00:55:03,333 Objection. Her son's life has no bearing on this trial. 809 00:55:03,538 --> 00:55:05,335 Overruled. 810 00:55:06,458 --> 00:55:08,176 What does your son do? 811 00:55:12,578 --> 00:55:15,331 He's deputy to the assistant agricultural minister. 812 00:55:15,538 --> 00:55:18,450 - He's a Communist official? - Objection. This is redbaiting. 813 00:55:18,658 --> 00:55:21,411 I must be able to question this witness regarding motivation. 814 00:55:21,618 --> 00:55:24,007 Excuse me, how would you know she made a phone call? 815 00:55:24,218 --> 00:55:26,812 Counsel, would you approach the bench, please? 816 00:55:32,818 --> 00:55:35,491 - How do you know she called? - I was fishing, Your Honour. 817 00:55:35,698 --> 00:55:37,973 Yeah. What did you do, wiretap the room? 818 00:55:38,258 --> 00:55:41,330 If Mr. Burke is accusing me of an illegal act... 819 00:55:41,538 --> 00:55:44,336 - ...he should do it formally. - She'll turn this into a circus. 820 00:55:44,538 --> 00:55:47,575 - You'd like that, wouldn't you? - Mr. Burke, in this courtroom... 821 00:55:47,778 --> 00:55:51,817 ...address your arguments to me, not to opposing counsel. 822 00:55:52,058 --> 00:55:55,414 Mrs. Talbot, you may pursue this line of inquiry... 823 00:55:55,858 --> 00:55:57,735 ...but do it quickly, and make your point. 824 00:55:57,938 --> 00:55:59,212 Thank you. 825 00:56:00,338 --> 00:56:04,331 - My objection stands, for the record. - Objection is overruled, for the record. 826 00:56:04,538 --> 00:56:06,017 Is your son a Communist official? 827 00:56:11,538 --> 00:56:14,257 Government officials are members of the Communist party. 828 00:56:14,458 --> 00:56:18,610 Mrs. Hollo, when you identified the photograph of my father in Budapest... 829 00:56:18,818 --> 00:56:21,013 ...did you speak with your son about it? 830 00:56:21,218 --> 00:56:22,446 Yes. 831 00:56:22,658 --> 00:56:25,297 And did your son tell you... 832 00:56:25,498 --> 00:56:27,409 ...that my father had once been arrested... 833 00:56:27,618 --> 00:56:30,212 ...for disrupting the Hungarian National Folk Dancers? 834 00:56:30,418 --> 00:56:33,933 - Objection, Your Honour. - Overruled. 835 00:56:34,258 --> 00:56:37,170 - Did he? - No. He did not. 836 00:56:37,738 --> 00:56:40,127 But you know it now. 837 00:56:41,018 --> 00:56:42,371 Yes. 838 00:56:45,738 --> 00:56:48,730 But this has nothing to do with my testimony here. 839 00:56:49,218 --> 00:56:50,617 No? 840 00:56:53,898 --> 00:56:55,650 No further questions, Your Honour. 841 00:56:55,858 --> 00:56:57,849 - Mr. Burke? - Nothing further, Your Honour. 842 00:56:58,578 --> 00:57:00,853 We will recess for one hour. 843 00:57:03,738 --> 00:57:05,933 Georgine Wheeler, please. 844 00:57:08,498 --> 00:57:10,932 Pop, I've got a lot of good salami sandwiches here. 845 00:57:11,138 --> 00:57:12,856 - Want one? - She say when she'd be back? 846 00:57:13,058 --> 00:57:14,650 - Harry. - Mischka, don't worry. 847 00:57:14,858 --> 00:57:16,450 They're never gonna send you back. 848 00:57:16,658 --> 00:57:18,216 - Salami? - Both of us will be dead... 849 00:57:18,418 --> 00:57:21,569 - ...before the appeals are exhausted. - Yes. 850 00:57:22,378 --> 00:57:25,017 I thought you did real good, considering. 851 00:57:27,338 --> 00:57:29,488 Annie, you want a salami sandwich? 852 00:57:31,658 --> 00:57:34,730 You know, I don't understand what the hell is going on here. 853 00:57:34,938 --> 00:57:37,691 Trouble with these young clowns in Washington today... 854 00:57:37,898 --> 00:57:42,449 ...they're so full of glasnost and building Hilton hotels over there. 855 00:57:42,818 --> 00:57:45,207 They should never have gotten into court. 856 00:57:45,898 --> 00:57:48,617 - Why'd you say that to Mikey? - What did I say? 857 00:57:48,818 --> 00:57:51,093 The Holocaust was all made-up. 858 00:57:51,818 --> 00:57:55,572 I don't know what you're talking about. Mikey and I never discuss politics. 859 00:57:56,618 --> 00:57:57,733 Where have you been? 860 00:57:57,938 --> 00:58:01,408 Getting information from those Hungarian witnesses. 861 00:58:04,258 --> 00:58:05,737 Do you swear to tell the truth... 862 00:58:05,938 --> 00:58:08,771 ...the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God? 863 00:58:08,978 --> 00:58:11,492 - Yeah, I do. - Please be seated. 864 00:58:12,538 --> 00:58:16,008 - Mr. Boday, do you speak English? - Little. 865 00:58:16,218 --> 00:58:19,176 We could use the interpreter if you'd like to speak Hungarian. 866 00:58:19,378 --> 00:58:21,255 I try English. 867 00:58:21,458 --> 00:58:23,130 Mr. Burke. 868 00:58:25,098 --> 00:58:28,647 - Mr. Boday, where do you reside? - In Budapest. 869 00:58:28,858 --> 00:58:32,453 And where did you reside in December of 1 944? 870 00:58:32,658 --> 00:58:34,011 In Budapest ghetto. 871 00:58:34,538 --> 00:58:37,689 Mr. Boday, can you describe to us the events... 872 00:58:37,898 --> 00:58:42,528 ...that took place there on December the 1 4th, 1 944? 873 00:58:43,178 --> 00:58:45,897 Night, 7:00. 874 00:58:46,098 --> 00:58:47,770 One room we're in. 875 00:58:47,978 --> 00:58:50,048 My mother, father... 876 00:58:50,258 --> 00:58:53,648 ...my brother, my wife, Clara, my boy. 877 00:58:54,059 --> 00:58:58,655 - How old was your boy? - He 7 year old. 878 00:58:59,099 --> 00:59:01,135 - They come. - Who came in? 879 00:59:01,339 --> 00:59:03,534 Special Section. 880 00:59:03,739 --> 00:59:07,891 They come in. Machine gun, uniform. 881 00:59:08,099 --> 00:59:10,408 - Black. All black. - You must look at the witness. 882 00:59:10,619 --> 00:59:11,972 On arm.... 883 00:59:12,699 --> 00:59:13,973 - How you say? - What? 884 00:59:14,179 --> 00:59:15,373 - Look at him. - "Insignia." 885 00:59:15,579 --> 00:59:16,807 lnsignia. 886 00:59:19,539 --> 00:59:22,258 - "Arrow Cross." - Arrow Cross. 887 00:59:22,459 --> 00:59:25,451 Did you know about the Arrow Cross before, Mr. Boday? 888 00:59:25,659 --> 00:59:28,617 Yeah. We see Arrow Cross before. 889 00:59:28,819 --> 00:59:31,049 How many of them were there, Mr. Boday? 890 00:59:31,259 --> 00:59:32,578 Four. 891 00:59:32,779 --> 00:59:37,694 Two leaders. One have scar on face. 892 00:59:38,099 --> 00:59:40,932 Other, big boss, Mischka. 893 00:59:41,139 --> 00:59:44,609 - His name was Mischka? - Yeah. They called him Mischka. 894 00:59:44,819 --> 00:59:48,016 What did they do then, Mr. Boday? 895 00:59:48,219 --> 00:59:51,097 Mischka, he the most talk. He say: 896 00:59:51,299 --> 00:59:54,735 "You got jewel, diamonds. All you Jews got gold." 897 00:59:54,939 --> 00:59:57,931 My father say, "We got nothing." 898 00:59:58,259 --> 01:00:01,729 - Then what happened? - Mischka, he-- 899 01:00:01,939 --> 01:00:04,658 He take my wife. He say: 900 01:00:04,859 --> 01:00:06,531 "Open mouth, pig." 901 01:00:08,099 --> 01:00:09,851 He look at teeth. 902 01:00:10,059 --> 01:00:12,937 He say, "Plenty gold." 903 01:00:15,099 --> 01:00:16,737 And then? 904 01:00:17,139 --> 01:00:18,857 They take us from ghetto. 905 01:00:19,059 --> 01:00:21,448 Very cold. Snow. 906 01:00:21,659 --> 01:00:23,854 We march in street. 907 01:00:24,179 --> 01:00:25,851 My mother fall. 908 01:00:26,059 --> 01:00:28,448 One of them, not Mischka... 909 01:00:28,659 --> 01:00:31,014 ...he with a scar... 910 01:00:31,259 --> 01:00:33,648 ...he beat her on head with rifle. 911 01:00:33,979 --> 01:00:35,617 We keep march. 912 01:00:35,819 --> 01:00:39,016 No see Mama again. She stay in street. 913 01:00:40,019 --> 01:00:44,410 -Where did they march you? - They march us to the Duna riverbank. 914 01:00:45,059 --> 01:00:46,777 Danube. 915 01:00:47,299 --> 01:00:49,255 By bridge. Lanchid. 916 01:00:49,459 --> 01:00:50,812 To a field. 917 01:00:51,019 --> 01:00:52,771 Many people there. Jews. 918 01:00:52,979 --> 01:00:56,858 Mischka say, "All you get bath, water cold, kill fleas." 919 01:00:57,059 --> 01:01:01,735 And what happened there, Mr. Boday, on the riverbank of the Danube? 920 01:01:02,459 --> 01:01:03,778 They tell us: 921 01:01:03,979 --> 01:01:06,095 "Stand close." 922 01:01:06,499 --> 01:01:08,330 We stand close. 923 01:01:08,819 --> 01:01:10,571 They take wire. 924 01:01:10,779 --> 01:01:14,818 They wrap wire around us, two group. 925 01:01:15,139 --> 01:01:16,811 Very tight. 926 01:01:18,819 --> 01:01:22,892 They move us to the edge of bank of river. 927 01:01:23,459 --> 01:01:25,097 Mischka say: 928 01:01:25,299 --> 01:01:27,654 "Sorry, we no got enough the bullet." 929 01:01:29,699 --> 01:01:34,011 He take pistol, go behind my Clara. 930 01:01:35,139 --> 01:01:36,572 He say: 931 01:01:36,779 --> 01:01:39,213 "One for you, pig." 932 01:01:40,979 --> 01:01:42,617 He shoot. 933 01:01:44,379 --> 01:01:46,415 He come behind us... 934 01:01:47,699 --> 01:01:50,167 ...he put pistol to my father head... 935 01:01:53,219 --> 01:01:54,698 ...he shoot. 936 01:01:56,619 --> 01:01:58,928 And then push us in Duna. 937 01:01:59,859 --> 01:02:03,534 So he shot your wife and then your father and dumped you in the river. 938 01:02:03,739 --> 01:02:06,299 Your Honour, that is not a question, that is a speech. 939 01:02:07,699 --> 01:02:09,257 Sustained. 940 01:02:11,899 --> 01:02:15,653 Yeah. They-- They push from edge. 941 01:02:16,539 --> 01:02:18,655 We wired together. 942 01:02:19,459 --> 01:02:22,371 Duna very cold. They think we all die. 943 01:02:22,579 --> 01:02:24,490 How did you survive, Mr. Boday? 944 01:02:24,699 --> 01:02:27,736 I don't know. I feel I died. 945 01:02:28,259 --> 01:02:31,535 We got swept to riverbank. 946 01:02:32,219 --> 01:02:36,212 I got hand out, take wire off. 947 01:02:38,459 --> 01:02:40,051 Father dead... 948 01:02:40,299 --> 01:02:41,971 ...boy dead. 949 01:02:42,419 --> 01:02:43,977 I no see Clara in water. 950 01:02:48,219 --> 01:02:49,857 Mr. Boday... 951 01:02:54,179 --> 01:02:57,216 ...is this the man that shot your wife and your father... 952 01:02:57,419 --> 01:03:01,173 - ...and pushed you in the river? - Yeah. That is Mischka. 953 01:03:01,499 --> 01:03:05,697 Is there any doubt in your mind that that is the man, Mr. Boday? 954 01:03:07,100 --> 01:03:10,854 I see him 40 year every night I close eyes. 955 01:03:11,220 --> 01:03:13,051 It is Mischka. 956 01:03:15,300 --> 01:03:18,895 No further questions, Your Honour. Your witness. 957 01:03:21,420 --> 01:03:26,096 Mr. Boday, would you care to take a short recess before we begin? 958 01:03:28,580 --> 01:03:30,457 Mr. Boday... 959 01:03:30,780 --> 01:03:33,374 ...how did you identify my father as the man... 960 01:03:33,580 --> 01:03:35,491 ...who did these things to your family? 961 01:03:35,700 --> 01:03:39,375 They come to me six month ago, show me photograph. 962 01:03:39,580 --> 01:03:40,854 They showed you a photograph? 963 01:03:41,060 --> 01:03:44,530 - Objection, the witness is misspeaking. - He's coaching the witness. 964 01:03:44,740 --> 01:03:47,208 Let the witness speak for himself, Mr. Burke. 965 01:03:47,820 --> 01:03:51,290 They show me many photographs of many people. 966 01:03:51,500 --> 01:03:54,060 Who showed you these photographs? 967 01:03:54,620 --> 01:03:56,053 Mr. Burke... 968 01:03:56,260 --> 01:03:58,455 ...man from American Embassy... 969 01:03:59,140 --> 01:04:02,576 ...man from Interior Ministry and translator. 970 01:04:02,780 --> 01:04:04,054 And what did they tell you? 971 01:04:04,260 --> 01:04:07,969 Mr. Burke, he say he investigate war criminal. 972 01:04:08,180 --> 01:04:12,093 He find in United Nations my affidavit what happened. 973 01:04:12,300 --> 01:04:14,894 He say, "I think they find man." 974 01:04:15,100 --> 01:04:17,295 How many photographs were shown to you? 975 01:04:17,500 --> 01:04:19,218 - Many. - This guy's a fake. 976 01:04:19,420 --> 01:04:22,332 Were there 1 0 or 20? Were there 1 00? 977 01:04:22,540 --> 01:04:26,658 - Twelve or 1 5. - Well, which was it? Was it 1 2 or 1 5? 978 01:04:26,860 --> 01:04:29,738 - I no remember. - You don't remember? 979 01:04:30,380 --> 01:04:33,531 - How were they displayed to you? - Displayed? 980 01:04:35,580 --> 01:04:38,378 They put on table. 981 01:04:38,580 --> 01:04:42,129 And of these 1 2 or 1 5 photos... 982 01:04:42,340 --> 01:04:45,059 ...where was my father's picture on the table? 983 01:04:46,460 --> 01:04:49,577 - I don't remember exactly. - You don't remember? 984 01:04:49,820 --> 01:04:52,493 And were the men in the photographs all the same age? 985 01:04:52,700 --> 01:04:55,533 Yeah. All of them young, like Mischka. 986 01:04:55,860 --> 01:04:58,738 How long did it take you to recognize the photo? 987 01:05:01,820 --> 01:05:04,857 Mr. Boday, you said that you dreamed of this man every night... 988 01:05:05,060 --> 01:05:07,176 ...for 40 years, that you couldn't forget. 989 01:05:07,380 --> 01:05:09,098 So how long did it take? 990 01:05:12,300 --> 01:05:14,291 Can you give us your best estimate? 991 01:05:14,900 --> 01:05:16,652 As soon as I see him. 992 01:05:20,940 --> 01:05:24,899 Mr. Boday, are you a member of the Communist party? 993 01:05:25,100 --> 01:05:28,137 Objection, Your Honour. lrrelevant and immaterial. 994 01:05:28,340 --> 01:05:30,456 Relates to his believability as a witness. 995 01:05:30,660 --> 01:05:33,379 No member. I no like Communist. 996 01:05:33,580 --> 01:05:36,048 They know I no like them. 997 01:05:36,660 --> 01:05:38,810 What they can do to me? 998 01:05:39,260 --> 01:05:42,138 I old man, no have family. 999 01:05:42,340 --> 01:05:45,059 Nobody can no hurt me no more. 1000 01:05:45,540 --> 01:05:47,212 You have your answer, Mrs. Talbot. 1001 01:05:51,580 --> 01:05:54,299 No further questions, Your Honour. 1002 01:05:54,780 --> 01:05:56,213 Mr. Burke? 1003 01:05:57,060 --> 01:05:59,449 We will adjourn until tomorrow morning. 1004 01:06:09,660 --> 01:06:12,015 Mr. Vamos, tell us where you were between... 1005 01:06:12,220 --> 01:06:15,735 ...December of 1 944 and January, 1 945. 1006 01:06:15,940 --> 01:06:18,056 In Budapest. Forced labour. 1007 01:06:18,260 --> 01:06:21,616 -Where did you work? - At bank of Duna, Danube River. 1008 01:06:21,820 --> 01:06:23,697 Lanchid Interrogation Centre. 1009 01:06:23,900 --> 01:06:26,016 What were your duties there? 1010 01:06:26,620 --> 01:06:29,134 - Clean up. - Mr. Vamos... 1011 01:06:29,340 --> 01:06:32,218 ...do you remember meeting a man there in the Special Section... 1012 01:06:32,420 --> 01:06:33,773 ...known as Mischka? 1013 01:06:33,980 --> 01:06:37,336 Everybody know Mischka. Everybody afraid. 1014 01:06:37,820 --> 01:06:40,414 Mischka worst. 1015 01:06:40,620 --> 01:06:42,895 Why was that, Mr. Vamos? 1016 01:06:43,100 --> 01:06:45,375 Why was he the worst? 1017 01:06:45,580 --> 01:06:48,777 Mischka and his group enjoy. 1018 01:06:49,300 --> 01:06:51,860 Mr. Vamos, what was it that Mischka did... 1019 01:06:52,100 --> 01:06:55,251 ...at the interrogation centre that you saw him enjoying? 1020 01:06:55,460 --> 01:06:59,248 Mischka liked kill Jew. Mischka liked kill gypsy more than Jew. 1021 01:06:59,500 --> 01:07:02,458 Mischka liked game. lnside, they ask: 1022 01:07:02,660 --> 01:07:05,732 "You have gold, diamond?" You say, "No." 1023 01:07:05,940 --> 01:07:08,249 Mischka take outside, play game. 1024 01:07:08,500 --> 01:07:11,776 What was this game, Mr. Vamos, and how was it played? 1025 01:07:12,020 --> 01:07:16,093 - He put bayonet in earth. - Your Honour, may we demonstrate? 1026 01:07:16,301 --> 01:07:17,859 Yes, yes. 1027 01:07:18,061 --> 01:07:22,532 Would you mind coming down and showing us how the game was played? 1028 01:07:24,741 --> 01:07:29,098 Mr. Vamos, suppose or imagine that this were a bayonet. 1029 01:07:29,301 --> 01:07:31,337 How did he play the game? Show us. 1030 01:07:33,461 --> 01:07:35,895 He make hole. 1031 01:07:36,101 --> 01:07:39,332 He put bayonet in earth. 1032 01:07:40,181 --> 01:07:42,536 He tell you get on earth. 1033 01:07:42,781 --> 01:07:45,579 Body over bayonet. 1034 01:07:45,781 --> 01:07:47,339 Arm and leg on earth. 1035 01:07:49,221 --> 01:07:51,689 Push up and down, push up and down. 1036 01:07:51,901 --> 01:07:54,495 Up and down, up and down. 1037 01:07:54,701 --> 01:07:56,532 - Pushups? - Pushups. 1038 01:07:56,741 --> 01:08:01,337 Mischka like pushup. He do pushup too. With bayonet too. 1039 01:08:01,541 --> 01:08:03,611 He had them doing the pushups over the bayonet? 1040 01:08:03,821 --> 01:08:07,291 Till fall. We throw in Duna. Clean up. 1041 01:08:07,501 --> 01:08:09,332 - I do clean up. - Thank you, Mr. Vamos. 1042 01:08:09,541 --> 01:08:11,020 Thank you very much. 1043 01:08:11,221 --> 01:08:16,056 Mr. Vamos, did you ever have any occasion to speak to Mischka? 1044 01:08:17,061 --> 01:08:19,529 No can speak. Once speak Mischka, hit with gun. 1045 01:08:19,741 --> 01:08:22,813 No can look. We look, Mischka hit with gun too. 1046 01:08:24,981 --> 01:08:27,654 We were not permitted to look into his eyes. 1047 01:08:27,901 --> 01:08:30,620 Was there a shortage of ammunition while you were there? 1048 01:08:30,821 --> 01:08:33,654 Oh, yeah. Big trouble. They no can shoot. 1049 01:08:33,861 --> 01:08:38,412 They take wire, wire people together, shoot one, dump all in Duna. 1050 01:08:38,621 --> 01:08:40,851 Did you ever see the man known as Mischka do that? 1051 01:08:41,061 --> 01:08:42,574 Oh, yeah. Many time. 1052 01:08:42,821 --> 01:08:47,258 Approximately how many times would you say, Mr. Vamos? Approximately. 1053 01:08:47,501 --> 01:08:49,378 Twenty, 30. 1054 01:08:49,581 --> 01:08:51,094 River red. 1055 01:08:51,301 --> 01:08:54,020 lce on side of river red. 1056 01:08:54,221 --> 01:08:56,860 Bodies on side of river blue. 1057 01:08:57,061 --> 01:08:59,416 Blue Danube was red. 1058 01:09:00,981 --> 01:09:02,937 Mr. Vamos... 1059 01:09:03,861 --> 01:09:06,580 ...is this the man that you knew as Mischka... 1060 01:09:06,821 --> 01:09:09,972 ...at the Lanchid Interrogation Centre? 1061 01:09:12,381 --> 01:09:14,337 - Yeah. - Mr. Vamos... 1062 01:09:14,581 --> 01:09:16,537 ...would you mind looking at the photograph? 1063 01:09:16,741 --> 01:09:18,174 Yeah. 1064 01:09:19,061 --> 01:09:22,019 Please, Mr. Vamos, can you look at the photograph? 1065 01:09:24,021 --> 01:09:25,773 It is him. 1066 01:09:28,541 --> 01:09:31,977 No further questions, Your Honour. Your witness. 1067 01:09:33,021 --> 01:09:36,377 I'm sorry to have to ask you these questions. 1068 01:09:37,741 --> 01:09:39,697 Mr. Vamos... 1069 01:09:40,101 --> 01:09:42,899 ...do you know Istvan Boday? 1070 01:09:43,381 --> 01:09:46,259 - I read in Budapest newspaper. - She's going up the wrong tree. 1071 01:09:46,461 --> 01:09:47,735 We'll see. 1072 01:09:47,941 --> 01:09:50,409 - Did you know him in Budapest? - No. 1073 01:09:50,621 --> 01:09:52,930 You never spoke to him in Budapest? 1074 01:09:53,141 --> 01:09:55,939 They tell us no speak to each other. No me. 1075 01:09:56,181 --> 01:09:58,649 You never spoke to him on the plane over here? 1076 01:09:58,901 --> 01:10:00,698 They have us come different plane. 1077 01:10:00,941 --> 01:10:04,217 - You never spoke to him in your hotel? - Different hotel. 1078 01:10:04,421 --> 01:10:07,811 - So you've never spoken to Mr. Boday? - No. 1079 01:10:08,461 --> 01:10:10,531 Are you telling the truth, Mr. Vamos? 1080 01:10:10,781 --> 01:10:12,658 I no lie to you. 1081 01:10:12,901 --> 01:10:16,530 Then would you tell us about the meeting you had last night... 1082 01:10:16,741 --> 01:10:19,619 ...in your hotel room with Istvan Boday? 1083 01:10:19,821 --> 01:10:21,049 Objection, Your Honour. 1084 01:10:21,261 --> 01:10:23,775 The witness just said he never spoke to Mr. Boday. 1085 01:10:24,181 --> 01:10:25,500 Overruled. 1086 01:10:25,701 --> 01:10:29,580 You did meet with him in your hotel room last night, didn't you? 1087 01:10:29,781 --> 01:10:31,772 - Didn't you, Mr. Vamos? - Yeah. 1088 01:10:31,981 --> 01:10:33,255 He come to my room. 1089 01:10:34,021 --> 01:10:35,420 Judas Priest. 1090 01:10:35,621 --> 01:10:38,215 So you were lying before when you told us... 1091 01:10:38,421 --> 01:10:42,130 - ...that you had never spoken to him. - Yeah, I lie. 1092 01:10:42,381 --> 01:10:43,609 Do you lie often? 1093 01:10:43,821 --> 01:10:48,099 Boday come to my room, he ask, he want to know about wife and brother. 1094 01:10:48,341 --> 01:10:51,413 Did you and Mr. Boday go over your stories together? 1095 01:10:51,621 --> 01:10:54,419 - Did you compare notes? - No, he ask if I remember. 1096 01:10:54,621 --> 01:10:57,818 - He show wife's picture. - He came to show you... 1097 01:10:58,021 --> 01:11:02,253 ...a photograph of someone you might have seen once, 40 years ago? 1098 01:11:02,501 --> 01:11:05,698 - Yes. - And you didn't speak of anything else? 1099 01:11:07,221 --> 01:11:09,052 No further questions, Your Honour. 1100 01:11:09,261 --> 01:11:11,775 How you can do this? I come here, I tell truth. 1101 01:11:13,261 --> 01:11:16,571 How it can be wrong? A man ask about his wife. That's wrong? 1102 01:11:16,781 --> 01:11:19,170 You must step down, sir. 1103 01:11:31,622 --> 01:11:33,453 Go on, Mr. Vamos. 1104 01:11:36,062 --> 01:11:38,895 Everything will be all right, Mr. Vamos. 1105 01:11:44,822 --> 01:11:48,053 - Come this way with me. - I think this is Mr. Burke's last witness. 1106 01:11:48,302 --> 01:11:50,975 Your Honour, we have one more witness, Mrs. Melinda Kalman. 1107 01:11:51,222 --> 01:11:52,701 Judge, a moment. 1108 01:11:52,902 --> 01:11:55,336 We have no witness statement. We have no deposition. 1109 01:11:55,542 --> 01:11:57,851 I object to this witness. 1110 01:11:58,102 --> 01:12:01,378 A last-minute government witness. Arrived last evening from Budapest. 1111 01:12:01,582 --> 01:12:05,575 She's a psychiatrist specializing in rape trauma. 1112 01:12:05,782 --> 01:12:09,331 Judge Silver overruled vehement defence objections to her testimony. 1113 01:12:09,542 --> 01:12:12,181 A car stopped in the street. 1114 01:12:12,382 --> 01:12:14,577 There were two men inside. 1115 01:12:14,782 --> 01:12:18,377 They were wearing the uniforms of the Arrow Cross. 1116 01:12:18,582 --> 01:12:21,779 They asked me for identification. 1117 01:12:21,982 --> 01:12:24,621 I had left my purse... 1118 01:12:24,822 --> 01:12:29,134 ...at a piano lesson. I had no papers. 1119 01:12:29,342 --> 01:12:35,053 One of the men, he had a long scar on the left side of his face. 1120 01:12:35,262 --> 01:12:36,490 He said: 1121 01:12:36,702 --> 01:12:41,378 "Look how pretty this pig is, Mischka." 1122 01:12:41,582 --> 01:12:44,255 - He called the man Mischka? - Oh, yes. 1123 01:12:44,462 --> 01:12:49,695 They said I was a Jew. I told them I was Roman Catholic. 1124 01:12:49,902 --> 01:12:53,292 - How old were you then? - I was 1 6. 1125 01:12:53,742 --> 01:12:56,051 Please continue, Mrs. Kalman. 1126 01:12:56,302 --> 01:12:59,851 They told me I was under arrest and put me in the car. 1127 01:13:00,062 --> 01:13:02,701 They drove over the bridge... 1128 01:13:02,902 --> 01:13:06,292 ...the Lanchid, and turned into the buildings and the riverbank. 1129 01:13:06,502 --> 01:13:08,299 - At least she had a chance. - Yeah. 1130 01:13:08,502 --> 01:13:11,892 They were quite friendly, actually, in the car. 1131 01:13:12,102 --> 01:13:14,093 They asked me about playing the piano. 1132 01:13:14,302 --> 01:13:17,692 They took me into the building... 1133 01:13:17,902 --> 01:13:19,858 ...into a little room. 1134 01:13:21,422 --> 01:13:26,337 There was nothing in the room but a mattress on the floor. 1135 01:13:27,662 --> 01:13:30,779 They told me to take my clothes off. 1136 01:13:30,982 --> 01:13:33,018 They told me to stand against the wall. 1137 01:13:33,222 --> 01:13:34,735 I started to cry. 1138 01:13:34,942 --> 01:13:37,661 I told them I was a virgin. They laughed. 1139 01:13:37,862 --> 01:13:40,934 Mischka said, "We will teach you to play us... 1140 01:13:42,222 --> 01:13:44,531 ...like you play the piano." 1141 01:13:46,262 --> 01:13:50,301 Mischka took out a revolver... 1142 01:13:51,062 --> 01:13:53,656 ...and he forced it into my mouth. 1143 01:13:55,782 --> 01:13:59,013 The other one tore my clothes. 1144 01:13:59,222 --> 01:14:01,292 He lighted a cigarette. 1145 01:14:02,382 --> 01:14:05,454 He put the cigarette against my.... 1146 01:14:07,782 --> 01:14:09,738 They took turns. 1147 01:14:10,502 --> 01:14:12,140 I passed out. 1148 01:14:12,342 --> 01:14:13,695 There were others... 1149 01:14:13,902 --> 01:14:19,215 ...men who came into the room and left and came back. 1150 01:14:19,422 --> 01:14:22,539 I lost track of time. 1151 01:14:23,302 --> 01:14:25,099 They burned me. 1152 01:14:26,102 --> 01:14:28,491 Someone took my picture. 1153 01:14:28,702 --> 01:14:31,535 The flash would awaken me. 1154 01:14:33,062 --> 01:14:37,180 Then, I don't know how much later... 1155 01:14:37,382 --> 01:14:39,737 ...it was Mischka again. 1156 01:14:39,942 --> 01:14:41,819 "Pig,"he said. 1157 01:14:42,062 --> 01:14:46,419 "You have learned to perform very well." 1158 01:14:46,622 --> 01:14:48,658 And he started again. 1159 01:14:48,902 --> 01:14:51,496 The other was there. He laughed. 1160 01:14:51,702 --> 01:14:55,172 They stood me up, they carried me outside. 1161 01:14:55,382 --> 01:14:59,773 It was cold. It was so cold. 1162 01:15:00,542 --> 01:15:04,740 On the ground, in the snow, there was a bayonet. 1163 01:15:06,062 --> 01:15:09,498 They told me to get down on my hands and feet... 1164 01:15:09,702 --> 01:15:13,012 ...over the bayonet. 1165 01:15:13,902 --> 01:15:16,700 They told me to exercise. 1166 01:15:17,742 --> 01:15:19,778 I heard them laugh. 1167 01:15:19,982 --> 01:15:21,700 Mischka said: 1168 01:15:21,942 --> 01:15:24,820 "A healthy body makes a healthy spirit." 1169 01:15:27,622 --> 01:15:30,773 The bayonet was at my stomach. 1170 01:15:31,782 --> 01:15:34,342 I pushed myself up... 1171 01:15:34,943 --> 01:15:36,695 ...once. 1172 01:15:38,783 --> 01:15:40,375 And then I fell. 1173 01:15:41,663 --> 01:15:43,699 I remember... 1174 01:15:43,903 --> 01:15:45,655 ...nothing else. 1175 01:15:46,503 --> 01:15:51,133 I was told I was found on the bank of the river. 1176 01:15:53,143 --> 01:15:55,213 Mrs. Kalman... 1177 01:15:55,623 --> 01:15:58,012 ...is this the man... 1178 01:15:59,343 --> 01:16:01,459 ...known to you as Mischka? 1179 01:16:01,663 --> 01:16:04,382 Yes. That... 1180 01:16:04,583 --> 01:16:06,335 ...is the man. 1181 01:16:07,183 --> 01:16:09,651 No further questions, Your Honour. 1182 01:16:09,863 --> 01:16:11,296 Your witness. 1183 01:16:19,103 --> 01:16:21,571 - No questions. - The government rests. 1184 01:16:22,823 --> 01:16:26,133 - Annie, what are you doing? - Stand up, Karchy. 1185 01:16:26,823 --> 01:16:28,415 It's not me. 1186 01:16:29,183 --> 01:16:31,697 It's not me, Annie. It's not me. I didn't do this. 1187 01:16:31,903 --> 01:16:34,178 - Papa. - It's not me. 1188 01:16:34,383 --> 01:16:35,702 I didn't do this to you. 1189 01:16:35,903 --> 01:16:38,861 I am not a beast. I am a father. I was a husband. 1190 01:16:39,063 --> 01:16:41,736 I loved my wife. My family. 1191 01:16:41,943 --> 01:16:43,934 - I couldn't do this to you! - Papa. 1192 01:16:44,983 --> 01:16:47,133 Yes, you are the beast. 1193 01:16:51,063 --> 01:16:52,701 This man didn't do this. 1194 01:16:52,903 --> 01:16:55,463 - It's not me! It's not me! - Come on now, Papa. 1195 01:16:55,663 --> 01:16:58,894 - Come on, Papa. - It's not me! It's not-- 1196 01:16:59,103 --> 01:17:01,537 - Pop! - Papa! Papa! 1197 01:17:01,743 --> 01:17:03,574 - Get back. - Pop! 1198 01:17:18,303 --> 01:17:21,739 I believe your father's had what we call acute anxiety reaction. 1199 01:17:21,943 --> 01:17:24,298 I understand he's been under a lot of stress lately. 1200 01:17:24,503 --> 01:17:28,735 Frankly, I don't know how much more pressure his system can take. 1201 01:17:29,383 --> 01:17:32,056 Mr. Laszlo, if you promise to go home and rest... 1202 01:17:32,263 --> 01:17:34,140 ...I'll let you go home. 1203 01:17:35,143 --> 01:17:36,895 Thanks, doctor. 1204 01:17:39,543 --> 01:17:42,774 - I want to talk to Annie, Karchy. - Why? 1205 01:17:44,503 --> 01:17:47,973 I understand, you wanna talk to your lawyer now. Fine. 1206 01:17:49,903 --> 01:17:51,461 Annie... 1207 01:17:51,703 --> 01:17:53,534 ...come here. 1208 01:17:58,623 --> 01:18:00,500 I know... 1209 01:18:00,703 --> 01:18:03,137 ...what you think, Annie. 1210 01:18:04,703 --> 01:18:06,978 Plenty things... 1211 01:18:08,103 --> 01:18:10,219 ...that makes it.... 1212 01:18:10,423 --> 01:18:12,618 It sound to you.... 1213 01:18:14,623 --> 01:18:15,851 I.... 1214 01:18:16,063 --> 01:18:18,372 I see your eyes, Annie. 1215 01:18:18,583 --> 01:18:22,132 And you've got to answer the question: 1216 01:18:22,343 --> 01:18:24,095 "Is this...? 1217 01:18:25,743 --> 01:18:27,495 This my father? 1218 01:18:28,223 --> 01:18:30,259 This beast?" 1219 01:18:31,103 --> 01:18:32,900 No, Papa. 1220 01:18:33,143 --> 01:18:34,622 No. 1221 01:18:35,783 --> 01:18:38,536 In your heart, Annie. 1222 01:18:38,743 --> 01:18:42,702 You got to answer the question. 1223 01:18:44,343 --> 01:18:46,573 - Come on, Papa. Let's go home now. - No. 1224 01:18:46,823 --> 01:18:50,418 I'm not going to hide anymore, Annie. 1225 01:18:50,623 --> 01:18:52,181 Come on. 1226 01:18:56,743 --> 01:18:59,576 - Grandpa. - Oh, Mikey. 1227 01:19:00,943 --> 01:19:03,537 - Hi, Dean. - Come on, let's go home now. 1228 01:19:03,743 --> 01:19:05,813 No, I'm going to my own home. 1229 01:19:06,023 --> 01:19:08,935 - No, Papa. - I don't care what happens to me. 1230 01:19:09,143 --> 01:19:10,940 I'm going home. 1231 01:19:14,743 --> 01:19:18,099 Tibor Zoldan was killed by a hit-and-run driver. 1232 01:19:19,183 --> 01:19:20,980 I don't care. 1233 01:19:21,903 --> 01:19:23,256 For nine months... 1234 01:19:23,983 --> 01:19:28,818 ...from the time he wrote this guy that $2000 check three years ago-- 1235 01:19:29,023 --> 01:19:31,014 I don't care. 1236 01:19:32,303 --> 01:19:34,942 - -Mike's monthly cash spending... 1237 01:19:35,143 --> 01:19:39,534 ...ran $1 000 over what it always had. 1238 01:19:39,743 --> 01:19:42,462 It stopped running over the month this guy got run over. 1239 01:19:42,664 --> 01:19:44,780 Stop it! 1240 01:19:46,104 --> 01:19:48,493 He is not a monster. 1241 01:19:48,704 --> 01:19:53,175 I'm his daughter. I know him better than anyone. 1242 01:20:59,944 --> 01:21:02,697 - All right. - That's beautiful. 1243 01:21:05,704 --> 01:21:07,774 All right, Mikey, make a wish. 1244 01:21:15,064 --> 01:21:16,941 Happy birthday. 1245 01:21:21,304 --> 01:21:24,501 - Is it really mine? - It sure is. 1246 01:21:29,304 --> 01:21:32,614 Mischka, help teach our grandson how to run a train. 1247 01:21:33,304 --> 01:21:35,693 You people have a lot of experience running trains. 1248 01:21:35,904 --> 01:21:38,543 I can't believe he's 1 2 already. 1249 01:21:38,744 --> 01:21:41,542 Let him come to the trial. He keeps asking me about it. 1250 01:21:41,744 --> 01:21:43,177 No. 1251 01:21:43,424 --> 01:21:45,858 His friends talk, he sees it on TV, he wants to know. 1252 01:21:46,104 --> 01:21:48,538 Well, I'll explain it all to him. 1253 01:21:48,744 --> 01:21:52,498 He wants to know for himself, Ann. It's called growing up. 1254 01:21:58,104 --> 01:22:00,664 - You should let him go to the trial. - No. He's too young. 1255 01:22:00,864 --> 01:22:02,502 It wouldn't hurt to have him there. 1256 01:22:02,704 --> 01:22:04,501 Especially after that woman's testimony. 1257 01:22:04,704 --> 01:22:07,935 - Can they go faster? - Well, I'm not gonna use him. 1258 01:22:08,904 --> 01:22:12,453 I'd look at it as letting him do something that he wants to do. 1259 01:22:12,704 --> 01:22:16,299 - I'm not that cynical. - Oh, yes, you are. 1260 01:22:16,504 --> 01:22:18,574 You're a lawyer, like me. 1261 01:22:21,984 --> 01:22:24,544 Did you really drink whiskey with Klaus Barbie? 1262 01:22:24,784 --> 01:22:28,220 No. I drank with a lot of others like him though. 1263 01:22:28,424 --> 01:22:32,019 I was an intelligence officer. I interrogated war prisoners. 1264 01:22:32,224 --> 01:22:34,101 What do you think happened after the war? 1265 01:22:34,304 --> 01:22:36,260 The Communists were Satan's army on earth. 1266 01:22:36,464 --> 01:22:39,058 They were our allies. We weren't prepared to spy on them. 1267 01:22:39,824 --> 01:22:42,622 Nazis are the best anti-Communist spy apparatus in the world. 1268 01:22:42,824 --> 01:22:44,496 We needed them. We used them. 1269 01:22:44,704 --> 01:22:47,855 If the Communists haven't taken over, it's because we did a good job. 1270 01:22:48,064 --> 01:22:49,702 We were right to use them. 1271 01:22:50,144 --> 01:22:52,783 So you really did drink with those monsters. 1272 01:22:53,384 --> 01:22:56,421 None of the men I knew were monsters. 1273 01:22:57,504 --> 01:23:00,337 They were all salt-of-the-earth types. 1274 01:23:00,544 --> 01:23:03,456 Like your old man. Yep? 1275 01:23:03,984 --> 01:23:05,702 Georgine. 1276 01:23:07,064 --> 01:23:08,543 Yeah. 1277 01:23:12,824 --> 01:23:14,416 Okay, thanks. 1278 01:23:20,824 --> 01:23:23,543 The forensic man says the ID card is authentic. 1279 01:23:23,744 --> 01:23:25,336 I know. 1280 01:23:25,544 --> 01:23:29,696 I still have friends in Washington with money, old-fashioned values. 1281 01:23:30,704 --> 01:23:34,174 We're dead, Harry. This case is over. 1282 01:23:34,384 --> 01:23:37,456 - That woman spitting on him-- - Courtroom theatrics. 1283 01:23:37,664 --> 01:23:39,894 You know all about that. 1284 01:23:40,504 --> 01:23:45,100 - I don't know how to fight this. - I thought you never needed help. 1285 01:23:45,464 --> 01:23:47,534 Can you help me? 1286 01:23:50,584 --> 01:23:54,099 Do you know anything about harlequins, my dear? 1287 01:23:55,305 --> 01:23:57,102 All rise. 1288 01:24:03,985 --> 01:24:05,418 Okay. 1289 01:24:05,825 --> 01:24:09,022 - Please be seated. - All right, sit down. 1290 01:24:09,665 --> 01:24:14,341 - Mrs. Talbot, call your first witness. - We call Vladimir Kostav. 1291 01:24:14,545 --> 01:24:17,457 Your Honour, counsel gave this name two days ago. 1292 01:24:17,705 --> 01:24:19,616 No statement. I don't know why he's called. 1293 01:24:19,825 --> 01:24:22,339 - May we approach? - Yes. 1294 01:24:24,665 --> 01:24:27,304 Kostav is a reluctant witness, just subpoenaed. 1295 01:24:27,505 --> 01:24:28,984 We've only known for two days. 1296 01:24:30,785 --> 01:24:32,662 - What are they doing? - They go up there... 1297 01:24:32,865 --> 01:24:35,982 ...so that we can't hear. It's a private argument. 1298 01:24:36,225 --> 01:24:38,216 He's under federal protection. 1299 01:24:38,425 --> 01:24:42,623 How did you find an ex-KGB ClA consultant? 1300 01:24:42,825 --> 01:24:45,783 And, Your Honour, I fail to see what he has to do with this case. 1301 01:24:45,985 --> 01:24:48,374 It concerns exhibit number one. 1302 01:24:48,585 --> 01:24:49,813 No statement? 1303 01:24:50,425 --> 01:24:52,302 That's fair turnaround. 1304 01:24:52,505 --> 01:24:55,417 - You can call your witness. - Thank you. 1305 01:24:57,425 --> 01:25:01,896 Mr. Kostav, when did you defect to the United States? 1306 01:25:02,105 --> 01:25:03,424 Two years ago. 1307 01:25:03,625 --> 01:25:07,015 - And where did you reside previously? - In Moscow. 1308 01:25:07,225 --> 01:25:08,783 And what was your occupation there? 1309 01:25:09,745 --> 01:25:15,024 I was a lieutenant colonel, counterintelligence section, KGB. 1310 01:25:16,505 --> 01:25:22,694 While you were with the KGB, were you familiar with Operation Harlequin? 1311 01:25:23,465 --> 01:25:27,014 - Yes, I was. - What was Operation Harlequin? 1312 01:25:27,625 --> 01:25:31,618 It was programmed to annihilate the character of those living in the West... 1313 01:25:31,825 --> 01:25:36,341 ...enemies of socialist state, by means of falsified documents. 1314 01:25:36,545 --> 01:25:38,103 Here we go. 1315 01:25:38,305 --> 01:25:40,455 And how was that put into effect? 1316 01:25:40,665 --> 01:25:45,944 Group of scientists were put into special department in Moscow... 1317 01:25:46,745 --> 01:25:51,296 ...to scientifically devise ways to forge documents in such manner that... 1318 01:25:51,505 --> 01:25:54,383 ...no amount of analysis would reveal its falsity. 1319 01:25:54,585 --> 01:25:56,621 - Did they succeed? - Oh, yes. 1320 01:25:57,545 --> 01:26:02,494 And were such forged documents used by the KGB against someone? 1321 01:26:02,705 --> 01:26:05,856 To my personal knowledge, they were used against... 1322 01:26:06,065 --> 01:26:08,659 ...television commentator in West Germany. 1323 01:26:09,105 --> 01:26:12,302 And what was the forged document used in this case? 1324 01:26:12,545 --> 01:26:16,174 It was an Einsatz commander identification card. 1325 01:26:16,705 --> 01:26:18,775 - Einsatz commander exterminated... - I told you. 1326 01:26:18,985 --> 01:26:20,418 ...the Jews and gypsies. 1327 01:26:20,625 --> 01:26:24,095 German courts accepted the card as authentic. 1328 01:26:24,345 --> 01:26:26,301 What happened to that man? 1329 01:26:27,665 --> 01:26:29,144 He commit suicide. 1330 01:26:31,185 --> 01:26:33,255 Mr. Kostav... 1331 01:26:33,465 --> 01:26:38,664 ...do you personally know if the KGB shared... 1332 01:26:38,865 --> 01:26:41,333 ...this forged document expertise... 1333 01:26:41,545 --> 01:26:44,218 ...with security agencies of other Communist countries? 1334 01:26:45,065 --> 01:26:46,339 Yes. 1335 01:26:46,705 --> 01:26:48,821 Did you share it with the Hungarians? 1336 01:26:49,905 --> 01:26:53,295 Hungarians showed a great interest in Harlequin. 1337 01:26:53,985 --> 01:26:57,421 Thank you. No further questions. 1338 01:26:57,625 --> 01:26:59,343 Your witness. 1339 01:27:00,145 --> 01:27:03,262 Your Honour, in light of the new testimony... 1340 01:27:03,465 --> 01:27:04,864 ...may we adjourn? 1341 01:27:05,825 --> 01:27:09,704 The New York Times called, 60 Minutes wants to talk to you... 1342 01:27:09,905 --> 01:27:11,623 ...and Georgine called. 1343 01:27:11,825 --> 01:27:14,464 - Thanks, Mrs. Cooper. - You're welcome. 1344 01:27:15,065 --> 01:27:17,659 Judge Silver called. He wants to see you right away. 1345 01:27:18,385 --> 01:27:22,139 The government has uncovered a witness who allegedly served... 1346 01:27:22,345 --> 01:27:24,779 ...with your client in the gendarmes. 1347 01:27:25,505 --> 01:27:29,339 - Another surprise. - He's in Budapest. 1348 01:27:29,545 --> 01:27:31,820 He's terminally ill and unable to travel. 1349 01:27:32,025 --> 01:27:36,462 We will hear his testimony in Budapest. It will all be at government expense. 1350 01:27:36,665 --> 01:27:38,974 Your client's expenses will be covered as well... 1351 01:27:39,225 --> 01:27:41,739 ...if he decides to come with us. 1352 01:27:43,665 --> 01:27:46,463 - I will never go back to Budapest. - You don't have to go. 1353 01:27:46,665 --> 01:27:49,498 - I have to go. - I can't go. 1354 01:27:49,705 --> 01:27:53,584 We get the KGB guy, he says "Card is fake"... 1355 01:27:53,785 --> 01:27:56,015 ...they suddenly get a witness. 1356 01:27:59,105 --> 01:28:02,256 You will never learn it. The grease has to be gold. 1357 01:28:02,466 --> 01:28:04,934 You learned it when you were 8. 1358 01:28:11,026 --> 01:28:13,142 If I go, they'll kill me. 1359 01:28:13,386 --> 01:28:18,141 They'll put something in the food, or maybe I'll have an accident. 1360 01:28:18,346 --> 01:28:21,816 - Papa, that's paranoid. - It's not paranoia. 1361 01:28:22,026 --> 01:28:24,142 They do all this, Annie. 1362 01:28:24,426 --> 01:28:26,257 Be careful. 1363 01:28:28,266 --> 01:28:30,826 I can't win without you, Annie. 1364 01:28:31,026 --> 01:28:32,584 I know that. 1365 01:28:32,826 --> 01:28:35,579 Don't worry about nothing, okay? I'll take care of Pop. 1366 01:28:35,786 --> 01:28:39,062 Maybe me and the guys will get together and take him to the bar. 1367 01:28:39,266 --> 01:28:42,736 - Jesus, Karchy, he's had a heart attack. - Well, we'll take him bowling. 1368 01:28:42,946 --> 01:28:44,823 - How's that? - Yeah. 1369 01:28:45,946 --> 01:28:47,698 - What are you doing here? - Hi, Karchy. 1370 01:28:47,906 --> 01:28:50,704 Ann, can I speak with you for a moment? 1371 01:28:50,906 --> 01:28:52,339 What? 1372 01:28:53,266 --> 01:28:55,097 Take it and read it. 1373 01:28:55,306 --> 01:28:57,137 - What is it? - Read it on the plane. 1374 01:28:57,346 --> 01:29:00,702 Tibor Zoldan's sister lives in Budapest. That's her address. 1375 01:29:00,906 --> 01:29:03,056 Ann, wait. 1376 01:29:03,466 --> 01:29:08,620 It feels like Tibor Zoldan was blackmailing your father. 1377 01:29:09,906 --> 01:29:13,421 Good afternoon. Welcome to American Airlines Flight 38... 1378 01:29:13,626 --> 01:29:15,776 -...nonstop service to Zurich. - Hi, how are you? 1379 01:29:15,986 --> 01:29:19,581 At this time, we ask that all passengers board through the Gate 3 doorway. 1380 01:29:19,786 --> 01:29:21,265 Thank you. 1381 01:29:49,666 --> 01:29:51,418 - Mrs. Ann Talbot? - Yes. 1382 01:30:03,666 --> 01:30:05,861 Have you ever been to Hungary before? 1383 01:30:06,106 --> 01:30:08,062 - No. - It's a beautiful country. You'd like. 1384 01:30:09,586 --> 01:30:14,057 Have nice, big suite at hotel. We checked, everything in order. 1385 01:30:15,066 --> 01:30:19,537 - Do you work for the government? - No. I told you, Bayar Tourist Agency. 1386 01:30:19,746 --> 01:30:23,136 Nobody likes working for the government. No money. 1387 01:30:26,626 --> 01:30:30,141 Tomorrow at 8:00, we go to Fo Kรณrhรกz Hospital. 1388 01:30:32,146 --> 01:30:34,137 Do you speak Hungarian? 1389 01:30:34,586 --> 01:30:38,181 - Not very well. - You'll get better. 1390 01:31:01,386 --> 01:31:04,503 - Yes? - Madam Laszlo? 1391 01:31:04,706 --> 01:31:06,185 Talbot. 1392 01:31:06,386 --> 01:31:08,741 You like marzipans, madam? 1393 01:31:10,946 --> 01:31:13,016 Wait just one minute. 1394 01:31:17,066 --> 01:31:18,818 Thank you. 1395 01:31:19,786 --> 01:31:21,981 - Do you work with the hotel? - No, madam. 1396 01:31:22,186 --> 01:31:26,065 There are some people here too. We believe your father innocent. 1397 01:31:26,266 --> 01:31:29,178 This trial is bad for everybody, here and there. 1398 01:31:29,386 --> 01:31:31,456 - Who are you? - Governments not understand such. 1399 01:31:31,666 --> 01:31:33,224 - Who are you? - That's not important. 1400 01:31:33,426 --> 01:31:35,223 I hope you will find them very sweet. 1401 01:31:35,426 --> 01:31:38,657 - Wait a minute. Please. - Try them. 1402 01:32:25,987 --> 01:32:27,420 United States v. Laszlo... 1403 01:32:27,667 --> 01:32:31,262 ...number 89-CM-22-80, proceedings resumed... 1404 01:32:31,787 --> 01:32:35,143 ...at the Fo Kรณrhรกz in Budapest, Hungary. Counsel may proceed. 1405 01:32:35,347 --> 01:32:38,544 Your Honour, I move to bar this witness as inherently unreliable... 1406 01:32:38,787 --> 01:32:44,180 ...and ask here to put four questions to him regarding his reliability. 1407 01:32:44,387 --> 01:32:47,140 Objection, Your Honour. He's my witness. 1408 01:32:47,347 --> 01:32:51,101 - Ask four questions. - Thank you, Your Honour. 1409 01:32:55,147 --> 01:32:57,183 - Mr. Burke. - Thank you. 1410 01:32:57,387 --> 01:32:58,615 What is your name? 1411 01:33:01,427 --> 01:33:04,100 - Pal Horvath. - Is this your signature? 1412 01:33:08,027 --> 01:33:09,858 Yes, this is my signature. 1413 01:33:10,067 --> 01:33:13,298 Mr. Horvath, on April 1 5th, 1 952... 1414 01:33:13,947 --> 01:33:17,781 ...you swore in an affidavit to the Hungarian security police... 1415 01:33:17,987 --> 01:33:22,503 ...that a man, a Michael Zanavi, was the Mischka... 1416 01:33:22,707 --> 01:33:25,983 ...who committed war crimes at the Lanchid Interrogation Centre. 1417 01:33:28,027 --> 01:33:29,506 No, I didn't. 1418 01:33:29,707 --> 01:33:31,982 And on November 1 8th, 1 97 3... 1419 01:33:32,187 --> 01:33:36,419 ...you again swore in another affidavit to the Hungarian security police... 1420 01:33:36,667 --> 01:33:40,023 ...that Michael Bato was the Mischka... 1421 01:33:40,267 --> 01:33:43,896 ...who committed war crimes at the Lanchid Interrogation Centre. 1422 01:33:47,467 --> 01:33:49,264 I don't know what you are talking about. 1423 01:33:49,467 --> 01:33:50,946 Your Honour... 1424 01:33:51,867 --> 01:33:55,940 ...I have here copies of both Mr. Horvath's... 1425 01:33:57,547 --> 01:34:02,826 ...affidavits identifying these other men as Mischka. 1426 01:34:03,827 --> 01:34:07,137 May the translator read these into the record in English? 1427 01:34:07,347 --> 01:34:08,905 Yes. 1428 01:34:12,907 --> 01:34:14,704 "I have no doubt in my mind... 1429 01:34:14,907 --> 01:34:19,503 ...that the man I saw commit these crimes was Michael Bato." 1430 01:34:19,707 --> 01:34:25,543 Signed, "November the 1 8th, 1 97 3. Pal Horvath." 1431 01:34:25,747 --> 01:34:28,056 - Did you know of these affidavits? - I did not. 1432 01:34:28,267 --> 01:34:31,498 - How did you find this witness? - The Hungarian authorities notified us. 1433 01:34:31,707 --> 01:34:34,426 Apparently, Mr. Horvath told his doctor... 1434 01:34:34,627 --> 01:34:37,937 ...and the following day, he picked Michael Laszlo out of a photo spread. 1435 01:34:38,147 --> 01:34:40,820 If I could get these, why couldn't the government? 1436 01:34:41,027 --> 01:34:43,746 We don't have access to Hungarian security files. 1437 01:34:43,947 --> 01:34:47,257 The Hungarians are cooperating with Mr. Burke, not with me. 1438 01:34:47,467 --> 01:34:51,016 They must've known about these affidavits. They were in their files. 1439 01:34:51,227 --> 01:34:53,821 We are fortunate some honest people... 1440 01:34:54,027 --> 01:34:55,619 ...sent these affidavits to me. 1441 01:34:55,827 --> 01:34:58,466 I think that's absurd, Your Honour. This man-- 1442 01:34:58,907 --> 01:35:01,375 He wasn't investigated by the Hungarian authorities. 1443 01:35:01,587 --> 01:35:04,624 He came by his own free will, and they turned him over to us. 1444 01:35:05,067 --> 01:35:06,739 There's no conspiracy here. 1445 01:35:11,307 --> 01:35:13,946 - What did he say? - I have no doubt in my mind... 1446 01:35:14,147 --> 01:35:16,342 ...that it is Laszlo. 1447 01:35:19,347 --> 01:35:21,861 The motion to bar is granted. 1448 01:35:22,067 --> 01:35:25,696 We've all come a long way at substantial government expense. 1449 01:35:25,907 --> 01:35:27,898 Both money and time have been wasted. 1450 01:35:28,107 --> 01:35:31,816 - Your Honour, I'd like more time-- - I'm not finished, Mr. Burke. 1451 01:35:32,027 --> 01:35:35,064 You have yet to show me enough evidence Michael Laszlo committed... 1452 01:35:35,267 --> 01:35:36,620 ...these heinous crimes. 1453 01:35:36,827 --> 01:35:40,263 Your Honour, he lied on his application for immigration, and he admits it. 1454 01:35:40,467 --> 01:35:43,504 - That's what he's being charged with. - Don't make this worse. 1455 01:35:43,707 --> 01:35:48,223 You know you have to show more than a lie about being in the gendarmes. 1456 01:35:48,467 --> 01:35:50,059 I move for dismissal, Your Honour. 1457 01:35:50,787 --> 01:35:53,699 The motion is taken under advisement. We are adjourned. 1458 01:35:59,267 --> 01:36:01,098 I just wanna tell you.... 1459 01:36:01,347 --> 01:36:04,783 I just wanna tell you I think you'll probably win this case. 1460 01:36:04,987 --> 01:36:09,344 Or you'll drag it out for years, which amounts to the same thing. 1461 01:36:09,547 --> 01:36:11,538 But tell me... 1462 01:36:11,747 --> 01:36:14,898 ...aren't you a little suspicious about all this new evidence... 1463 01:36:15,107 --> 01:36:19,862 - ...that just falls into your lap? - You just can't give it up, can you? 1464 01:36:20,067 --> 01:36:23,139 Why do you wanna punish him? He did nothing. 1465 01:36:23,348 --> 01:36:26,306 You really think I give a damn about punishing an old man? 1466 01:36:26,508 --> 01:36:30,342 I don't have vengeance in my heart, but I'll tell you what I do care about. 1467 01:36:30,548 --> 01:36:32,266 I care about remembering. 1468 01:36:32,468 --> 01:36:36,222 It's too late to change what happened, but it's never too late to remember it. 1469 01:36:36,428 --> 01:36:39,864 The case is over, Jack. You don't have to argue it anymore. 1470 01:36:40,068 --> 01:36:42,901 You can't tell me after everything said in this trial... 1471 01:36:43,108 --> 01:36:45,383 ...you don't have any doubts about your father. 1472 01:36:45,628 --> 01:36:46,981 I don't have time for this. 1473 01:36:47,188 --> 01:36:49,656 Our country has always tried to be a haven... 1474 01:36:49,868 --> 01:36:51,586 ...for those who have been persecuted. 1475 01:36:51,788 --> 01:36:54,302 And after the war, we let in thousands of its victims. 1476 01:36:54,508 --> 01:36:57,341 But unfortunately we also let in some of the executioners. 1477 01:36:57,588 --> 01:36:59,465 The war was almost over. 1478 01:36:59,668 --> 01:37:03,422 We were in Germany, and the Russians were crossing the Hungarian border. 1479 01:37:03,628 --> 01:37:06,700 But the Hungarians were still killing their Jews. 1480 01:37:06,908 --> 01:37:10,218 They turned the fucking romantic Danube into their own shade of blue. 1481 01:37:10,428 --> 01:37:12,942 - That's what was happening. - Some Hungarians. 1482 01:37:13,148 --> 01:37:15,503 Not my father! 1483 01:37:17,388 --> 01:37:19,777 Maybe you should go down to the riverbank, Ann... 1484 01:37:19,988 --> 01:37:22,377 ...and look into the water. 1485 01:37:23,188 --> 01:37:25,418 Maybe you'll see your face. 1486 01:37:32,068 --> 01:37:34,980 You like chocolate, Madam Laszlo? 1487 01:37:36,068 --> 01:37:38,821 You like chocolate, no, Madam Laszlo? 1488 01:37:39,028 --> 01:37:40,746 Thank you. 1489 01:37:45,628 --> 01:37:48,620 - What bridge is this? - Lanchid. 1490 01:37:48,868 --> 01:37:50,904 In English, "chain bridge." 1491 01:37:53,228 --> 01:37:56,903 Can you ask him to pull over? I wanna take a walk. 1492 01:39:57,868 --> 01:39:59,938 Zoldan, Magda? 1493 01:41:14,229 --> 01:41:15,947 Chicago. 1494 01:43:50,109 --> 01:43:51,861 Can I help you? 1495 01:43:55,789 --> 01:43:57,984 Jesus Christ, lady. 1496 01:43:58,189 --> 01:44:00,623 It took you a while to come back. 1497 01:44:27,229 --> 01:44:29,299 Perfect condition. 1498 01:44:29,509 --> 01:44:31,545 Two-thirty-six even. 1499 01:47:53,550 --> 01:47:56,701 Annie, I'm trying to call you. What's going on? 1500 01:48:07,710 --> 01:48:09,507 Can I speak with Mikey? 1501 01:48:14,510 --> 01:48:16,148 Mikey. 1502 01:48:19,750 --> 01:48:20,944 No, I-- 1503 01:48:21,150 --> 01:48:23,300 I just got home. 1504 01:48:25,070 --> 01:48:26,549 How are you, Mikey? 1505 01:48:28,590 --> 01:48:31,263 No, I'll come by first thing in the morning. 1506 01:48:31,510 --> 01:48:35,423 Keep your heels down and keep your hands down. 1507 01:48:36,470 --> 01:48:39,303 And keep him going, keep him going. 1508 01:48:40,710 --> 01:48:42,302 Look forward. 1509 01:48:42,510 --> 01:48:44,228 Boy, that's good. 1510 01:48:46,710 --> 01:48:50,305 Yeah, I like it very much. Sit straight. That's good. 1511 01:48:52,391 --> 01:48:54,268 Hey, you. 1512 01:48:55,391 --> 01:48:57,382 Good to have you back. Good to have you back. 1513 01:48:57,591 --> 01:49:01,425 You did it, kid. You sliced some nuts. You did it. 1514 01:49:01,631 --> 01:49:04,987 - Hey, what's the matter? Come on. - Ask Mikey to come in the house. 1515 01:49:05,191 --> 01:49:06,544 - He's right out back. - Get him. 1516 01:49:06,751 --> 01:49:08,628 - Harry brought some reporters. - Get Mikey. 1517 01:49:08,831 --> 01:49:11,186 Tell him to come in the house. I have to talk to him. 1518 01:49:11,391 --> 01:49:13,222 - Annie, come on. - Go on, Karchy, get him. 1519 01:49:14,031 --> 01:49:15,942 Hey! No, no. This way. 1520 01:49:16,191 --> 01:49:20,104 Ladies and gentlemen, thank you. Thank you all for coming. 1521 01:49:20,311 --> 01:49:21,824 Sorry it's not a prettier day. 1522 01:49:22,031 --> 01:49:24,989 As you know, since you've been reporting it... 1523 01:49:25,191 --> 01:49:29,150 ...we can consider this absurd case to be over. 1524 01:49:29,351 --> 01:49:33,788 - Mom. - Oh, Mikey, I missed you so much. 1525 01:49:35,431 --> 01:49:37,547 lsn't it great? About Grandpa? 1526 01:49:37,751 --> 01:49:40,982 - I told you he didn't do anything. - Come on, honey, let's go home. 1527 01:49:41,191 --> 01:49:42,749 Grandpa Talbot got me a pony. 1528 01:49:42,951 --> 01:49:45,067 - I know. Come on. Let's go home. - Come see him. 1529 01:49:45,271 --> 01:49:48,149 - Please, Mikey, come on. - Come on, Mom. 1530 01:49:48,351 --> 01:49:50,785 - -energy and money that's been expended by the.... 1531 01:49:50,991 --> 01:49:53,107 You go on ahead, I'll come out. 1532 01:49:53,311 --> 01:49:54,539 Hurry up. 1533 01:49:54,751 --> 01:49:57,823 I think the American taxpayer has legitimate questions... 1534 01:49:58,031 --> 01:50:01,501 ...as to how his money's been spent in this case. 1535 01:50:03,791 --> 01:50:07,704 Well, personally I think it is an official lynching... 1536 01:50:07,911 --> 01:50:09,788 ...that's been choreographed by the KGB. 1537 01:50:09,991 --> 01:50:12,664 If it's not, it's a very good imitation. 1538 01:50:13,871 --> 01:50:17,102 What's the matter? Annie, what's the matter? 1539 01:50:17,311 --> 01:50:20,587 - I know, Papa. - Annie, we won. The trial's over. 1540 01:50:20,791 --> 01:50:23,259 - The judge dismissed the charges. - I know everything. 1541 01:50:23,471 --> 01:50:26,349 Oh, Annie, we won. The trial's over. We won. 1542 01:50:26,551 --> 01:50:29,827 - Harry says we are going to sue. - It was you, Papa. 1543 01:50:30,031 --> 01:50:31,862 You killed them all. 1544 01:50:32,071 --> 01:50:34,301 I saw those photos. 1545 01:50:34,871 --> 01:50:36,862 It was you, Papa. 1546 01:50:40,271 --> 01:50:43,741 You killed that boy in front of his father. 1547 01:50:43,951 --> 01:50:47,102 You raped that woman, you threw their bodies in the Duna. 1548 01:50:47,311 --> 01:50:50,508 I went to see that place, Papa. 1549 01:50:54,151 --> 01:50:57,587 The man's son was 7 years old. 1550 01:50:58,391 --> 01:51:03,943 He was only 7 years old! He was 7 years old! 1551 01:51:04,591 --> 01:51:06,661 You shot him in the head. 1552 01:51:06,871 --> 01:51:08,623 You shot them all in the head. 1553 01:51:08,831 --> 01:51:11,391 You were that beast. 1554 01:51:13,231 --> 01:51:18,863 You shot that boy in the head when he was crying over his dead mother. 1555 01:51:19,071 --> 01:51:21,346 You hurt all those people. 1556 01:51:21,551 --> 01:51:24,668 Oh, God, what are we gonna do? 1557 01:51:27,271 --> 01:51:30,502 Tell me. What photos? 1558 01:51:36,071 --> 01:51:39,222 Tibor Zoldan was blackmailing you. 1559 01:51:39,431 --> 01:51:42,946 - No, he was a friend. - I saw the scar. 1560 01:51:43,151 --> 01:51:46,109 - From the refugee camp. - I saw the scar, Papa. 1561 01:51:47,711 --> 01:51:50,145 - The scar? - The scar running down his face... 1562 01:51:50,351 --> 01:51:52,626 ...just like they all said. 1563 01:51:53,351 --> 01:51:55,865 I went to see his sister. 1564 01:52:00,791 --> 01:52:03,589 How could you do those things, Papa? 1565 01:52:04,871 --> 01:52:09,103 Why did you do this to us? To Mikey? 1566 01:52:11,191 --> 01:52:12,829 Papa... 1567 01:52:13,031 --> 01:52:14,464 ...why? 1568 01:52:14,871 --> 01:52:16,509 Answer me. 1569 01:52:17,511 --> 01:52:21,902 I need you to answer me. Answer me, Papa. 1570 01:52:23,231 --> 01:52:25,267 I love you. 1571 01:52:25,511 --> 01:52:27,706 I love you too. 1572 01:52:28,791 --> 01:52:31,749 What happened to you? 1573 01:52:37,031 --> 01:52:40,148 What did the Communists do to you? 1574 01:52:52,751 --> 01:52:55,390 I don't ever wanna see you again, Papa. 1575 01:52:55,591 --> 01:52:58,025 I don't want Mikey... 1576 01:52:58,231 --> 01:53:00,461 ...to ever see you again. 1577 01:53:00,672 --> 01:53:03,345 - You can't do this. - I can do it. 1578 01:53:03,912 --> 01:53:06,346 You don't exist. 1579 01:53:06,872 --> 01:53:08,863 You can't do that. 1580 01:53:10,792 --> 01:53:14,023 Papa, you don't know how much I'm gonna miss you. 1581 01:53:15,232 --> 01:53:16,790 Annie. 1582 01:53:16,992 --> 01:53:20,268 Annie! He's my boy! My son! 1583 01:53:20,472 --> 01:53:23,270 You don't have a grandson! 1584 01:53:24,912 --> 01:53:28,666 You gonna tell Mikey this garbage? 1585 01:53:28,872 --> 01:53:31,909 You gonna poison his mind like they poisoned you? 1586 01:53:33,992 --> 01:53:37,189 You're like a stranger! You say those things. 1587 01:53:37,392 --> 01:53:40,589 You tell him anything you want. 1588 01:53:40,792 --> 01:53:42,987 Mikey is not gonna believe you. 1589 01:53:43,232 --> 01:53:45,462 Nobody is gonna believe you. 1590 01:53:45,672 --> 01:53:48,470 They are gonna say you're crazy. 1591 01:53:49,512 --> 01:53:52,424 Why can't you try to say the truth? 1592 01:53:53,592 --> 01:53:55,184 The truth? 1593 01:53:56,832 --> 01:53:58,948 Something happened... 1594 01:53:59,152 --> 01:54:01,188 ...to your mind, Annie. 1595 01:54:05,352 --> 01:54:08,389 I have friends here... 1596 01:54:08,912 --> 01:54:10,903 ...and there. 1597 01:54:11,112 --> 01:54:13,501 And believe me... 1598 01:54:13,712 --> 01:54:16,431 ...you will know the truth. 1599 01:54:17,512 --> 01:54:19,662 I am not this beast. 1600 01:54:19,872 --> 01:54:21,225 No. 1601 01:54:23,192 --> 01:54:24,466 Mikey! 1602 01:54:26,072 --> 01:54:27,710 Mikey! 1603 01:54:27,912 --> 01:54:31,382 - -persecute an honest man and citizen... 1604 01:54:31,632 --> 01:54:36,103 ...a family man like Michael Laszlo, all in the name of stamping out racism. 1605 01:54:36,592 --> 01:54:40,062 One, two, three. Up. 1606 01:54:40,952 --> 01:54:44,501 I think it's time that we stopped trying to appease... 1607 01:54:44,712 --> 01:54:48,307 ...a liberal New York-Washington lobby and concentrate on the future... 1608 01:54:48,512 --> 01:54:49,865 ...not on the past. 1609 01:54:50,072 --> 01:54:53,542 Let's worry about the grandsons, not the grandfathers. 1610 01:54:53,752 --> 01:54:57,222 Now go, Mikey, go! Go! Yeah. 1611 01:54:57,432 --> 01:54:59,104 Good! 1612 01:54:59,312 --> 01:55:01,746 Go forward. 1613 01:55:02,272 --> 01:55:03,705 That's good. 1614 01:55:03,912 --> 01:55:06,107 Yeah, Mikey, that's good! 120295

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