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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,700 --> 00:00:03,639 Hello. 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:04,959 My name is Lee Kenny. 3 00:00:05,110 --> 00:00:08,514 I'm the managing director of Magnetic Energy Ltd. 4 00:00:08,515 --> 00:00:17,113 Which is the holding company that was formed by the inventors of the motionless electromagnetic generator, or Meg, as we call it. 5 00:00:17,114 --> 00:00:25,786 To hold the intellectual property for all of the investments and all of the ventures based on MEG technology. 6 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:30,670 With me today is Steve Patrick, our director of research. 7 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,500 What Steve and I would like to do today. 8 00:00:33,501 --> 00:00:39,257 is to go through all of the steps in the history of the development of the MEG 9 00:00:39,258 --> 00:00:45,529 and show you how we arrived at the conclusions that we arrived at and how the MEG has progressed. 10 00:00:45,850 --> 00:00:52,071 And then to show you the status of the MEG as it is now and where we need to go in the future. 11 00:00:53,500 --> 00:01:00,786 Steve and I, along with the other three inventors, Tom Bearden, Jim Hays and Ken Moore 12 00:01:00,787 --> 00:01:13,786 have worked together on this project since 1996, and we're going to take you through that history and then repeat all of the projects that we have done. 13 00:01:16,310 --> 00:01:21,656 In 1996, we were visited here in Huntsville by Mr. Kawai 14 00:01:21,657 --> 00:01:29,060 And well-known inventor of magnetic motors and holder of a number of U.S. 15 00:01:29,060 --> 00:01:31,129 and Japanese magnetic patents. 16 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:37,700 Mr. Kawai had read all of Tom Beard's work and was interested in working with us 17 00:01:37,701 --> 00:01:43,314 on developing a motor that he had just patented in the U.S. And in Japan. 18 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,150 Mr. Kawai did not speak any English at all. 19 00:01:47,180 --> 00:01:54,349 He understood a fair amount of English, as most Japanese people do, from having watched American television in American movies. 20 00:01:55,460 --> 00:01:58,129 And he could read a certain amount of English. 21 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:07,760 But he hired a translator, a lady from here in Huntsville, to help him with his presentation and to help him discuss things with us. 22 00:02:08,300 --> 00:02:14,343 In addition to that, he brought with him these two pieces of metal 23 00:02:14,344 --> 00:02:23,271 and these two magnets that help him describe how he was doing switching of flux inside his new motor. 24 00:02:24,290 --> 00:02:33,349 So throughout his presentation, he would use these pieces of metal and these two magnets to illustrate his point. 25 00:02:34,130 --> 00:02:39,886 And the first point that he illustrated was that when you take a magnet of a known size 26 00:02:39,887 --> 00:02:46,000 and you connect it to a piece of metal and this is just plain magnetic iron, 27 00:02:46,001 --> 00:02:51,000 the flux travels down through the end of the magnet down. 28 00:02:51,001 --> 00:03:00,571 The first piece of metal, which is acting as a pull piece and exerts enough force to pick up another piece of metal. 29 00:03:01,070 --> 00:03:08,514 If you then take another magnet of similar strength and bring it in close proximity to the first, 30 00:03:08,515 --> 00:03:17,443 the lines of a flux switch and move up the the First Keeper bar and across, 31 00:03:17,444 --> 00:03:23,714 thereby removing the amount of force that it took to pick up the second bar. 32 00:03:24,980 --> 00:03:28,986 And he would repeat this demonstration several times 33 00:03:28,987 --> 00:03:35,543 as he would describe and point to different sections of his motor to describe how that section worked. 34 00:03:36,050 --> 00:03:37,759 And I'm going to show you this again. 35 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,960 The flux is now traveling down the bar and is collecting this bar. 36 00:03:42,380 --> 00:03:47,630 And as I bring this other magnet close to it, the bar drops off. 37 00:03:48,260 --> 00:03:56,000 Now, you'll note on rotating my hands, you note that I have not touched the Keeper bar with the second man. 38 00:03:56,570 --> 00:03:59,157 In fact, it's a fair distance away. 39 00:03:59,660 --> 00:04:05,057 Well, as we progress through the day, looking at this and playing with the trick, 40 00:04:05,058 --> 00:04:08,557 we began to form some ideas of our own. 41 00:04:08,990 --> 00:04:12,529 Later that day, we went to dinner at a Japanese restaurant. 42 00:04:12,530 --> 00:04:19,489 And because of the the translator we had at one end of the table, Mr. Kawai, the translator, and Tom Bearden. 43 00:04:19,490 --> 00:04:24,380 and at the other end of the table, Steve and Gemini, who were playing with these little magnets. 44 00:04:25,314 --> 00:04:31,071 And as we sat there and went through this and we kept doing this and doing this and doing this, 45 00:04:31,072 --> 00:04:42,129 I said to Jim, Look, if I could do this without the moving this magnet by some form of electromagnetism, 46 00:04:42,130 --> 00:04:47,959 I know that I don't have to put in as much as I've got here because I keep sticking my finger in the middle. 47 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,771 And if we wrap the coil around the bottom of this, I could collect. 48 00:04:52,370 --> 00:04:54,439 And Jim said, Yeah, you could do that. 49 00:04:54,470 --> 00:04:57,214 Steve said, You know, but you've got a real mess here because 50 00:04:57,215 --> 00:05:04,069 you don't have a closed magnetic circuit, and you're lose most of what you've got just because you don't have the circuit closed. 51 00:05:04,070 --> 00:05:06,230 And we all agreed that's all that was true. 52 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:17,257 But for every time I move this magnet in or I electrically did a analogous thing, 53 00:05:17,258 --> 00:05:25,686 what I would end up with was every time I inserted a pulse, I would get a pulse in. 54 00:05:26,420 --> 00:05:30,230 And when I dropped that pulse, I would get a second one. 55 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:35,329 In other words, I would get two outputs for every one input 56 00:05:35,330 --> 00:05:40,943 that sound like we were going to get something from nothing. So we said we had to go do this. 57 00:05:41,150 --> 00:05:53,043 literally, the first big device that we built was this magnet, this bar with a coil wrapped around it and a solenoid out of Steve's garage. 58 00:05:53,171 --> 00:05:58,550 That was in 1996. We worked on that from 1996 and into 97. 59 00:05:59,180 --> 00:06:02,143 And then we came up with the second demonstration, 60 00:06:02,144 --> 00:06:07,519 which Steve is going to show you to prove that in a closed magnetic loop. 61 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,643 We could still get the same effect. 62 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:22,229 Next, we investigated different people who had done some research in magnetic circuits, 63 00:06:22,230 --> 00:06:25,914 and we came across a gentleman named Radice who had worked for Westinghouse, 64 00:06:25,915 --> 00:06:33,389 and in the late fifties he had developed and made that switching system to switch magnetic boots for NASA. 65 00:06:33,390 --> 00:06:38,857 He had taken this and made it into a latching relay and had several patents on it. 66 00:06:39,090 --> 00:06:46,557 And basically what Radice taught was that when we have a circuit like this with a magnet in the center 67 00:06:46,558 --> 00:06:56,614 a bar up here and two perpendiculars bars conventional wisdom, we're taught that you have the same force on both sides, the same amount of flux on both sides. 68 00:06:57,420 --> 00:07:03,771 But Radice showed that that's not true, that this configuration is what's known as a bi stable device, 69 00:07:03,772 --> 00:07:09,600 where we will have one preferred side which is strong and one side that is weak. 70 00:07:09,690 --> 00:07:18,569 And it turns out that this is the weak side, very simple to pull on off, but this side is very difficult to pull off. 71 00:07:19,020 --> 00:07:24,060 Once I pulled it off the side and replaced it on this side, though, this becomes the strong side. 72 00:07:24,450 --> 00:07:28,379 So the device switches the amount of flux from this side to this side. 73 00:07:29,100 --> 00:07:36,629 And by Faraday's law, any change in the flux will generate electrical power. 74 00:07:36,630 --> 00:07:41,519 So therefore, we looked at how does how does this work? 75 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,743 How much does it go back and forth? 76 00:07:43,890 --> 00:07:47,730 And the key to this was Radice indicated we could do this electrically. 77 00:07:47,730 --> 00:07:49,019 We've done it mechanically here. 78 00:07:49,470 --> 00:07:53,910 So now I'm going to hook it up and do this electrically. 79 00:07:53,910 --> 00:07:58,980 What I've just done mechanically, we're putting a coil on it. 80 00:08:01,140 --> 00:08:05,343 And what I'm going to do now is make sure 81 00:08:05,344 --> 00:08:11,271 that the side over here is what we call the strong side, let it hang out, 82 00:08:11,272 --> 00:08:18,157 and we just have a small and as you can see, this is a weak side over here. 83 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:24,843 We have a small battery and a switch, 84 00:08:24,844 --> 00:08:34,471 and by merely passing a current through the coil, we have changed the flux from the strong side on one side to the strong side on the other side. 85 00:08:38,070 --> 00:08:44,957 This experiment led us to believe that if we could put collection coils on two sides 86 00:08:44,958 --> 00:08:52,129 and have two actuated coils, we could then switch back and forth at will. 87 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:02,720 The next step is to look at generating electrical power, utilizing this circuit. 88 00:09:03,230 --> 00:09:09,843 And this is basically the same setup we had previously, except now we have two coils for switching 89 00:09:09,844 --> 00:09:13,014 and we have two coils for collecting power. 90 00:09:13,430 --> 00:09:19,970 And as the device operates in this, by the way, is the configuration that you will see in the patent. 91 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:26,314 As the device switches, the flux will increase in this coil and decrease in this coil 92 00:09:26,315 --> 00:09:29,600 and generate like outputs of opposite polarity. 93 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:39,320 So as the circuitry switches from this coil to this coil, we generate power in both sides at the same time. 94 00:09:40,550 --> 00:09:47,614 Another thing that needs to be remembered is that the actuate or coil that is not actuated 95 00:09:47,615 --> 00:09:50,514 is also acting as a collector coil. 96 00:09:50,660 --> 00:09:57,229 So a method has to be devised to remove the connection between this actuated coil 97 00:09:57,230 --> 00:10:07,343 and the power supply during the part of the cycle in which that actuated coil is not being used as an actual gear 98 00:10:07,344 --> 00:10:09,486 but is being used as a collector. 99 00:10:09,620 --> 00:10:12,086 That's what Steve put together in this circuit. 100 00:10:12,350 --> 00:10:20,240 And what you have to remember is that this part of the reason that this hasn't been done before is it's a materials problem. 101 00:10:20,900 --> 00:10:27,200 The material has to respond very quickly because the we're looking at transients in these coils 102 00:10:27,201 --> 00:10:30,314 as the flux changes rapidly to get a very high output. 103 00:10:30,500 --> 00:10:36,259 However, it occurs in a very short period of time in the matter of microseconds. 104 00:10:36,830 --> 00:10:45,043 So if we run at a very slow frequency, we have an average output that is very, very low 105 00:10:45,044 --> 00:10:47,900 and it requires a high frequency operation. 106 00:10:48,170 --> 00:10:51,800 The material we've used here, which is called magnetic iron, 107 00:10:51,801 --> 00:10:57,371 cannot operate at a high frequency and that presents a problem to us. 108 00:10:57,410 --> 00:11:02,471 Also, it has a characteristic where it doesn't like to change 109 00:11:02,472 --> 00:11:10,629 its state and it will actually generate Eddy currents and really eat a lot of power internally to it. 110 00:11:10,970 --> 00:11:17,779 What we did here was we set up a circuit board to to test our theories. 111 00:11:18,530 --> 00:11:25,639 And in this what we did was we used relays to basically switch between the two coils. 112 00:11:25,970 --> 00:11:34,700 The reason we did that was we were able to set the system up so that when this coil was actuated, 113 00:11:34,701 --> 00:11:39,199 this coil could actually be switched to a load and we could measure how much power we could get out of it. 114 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:46,229 In addition to the power of these, the board, this particular board only runs at about ten hertz 115 00:11:46,230 --> 00:11:54,400 and we get very small outputs because of the losses that are in the material and because of the slow switching speed. 116 00:11:54,620 --> 00:12:01,670 However, we were able to show that indeed we do get power out of the coil that is not energized. 117 00:12:01,970 --> 00:12:07,760 So that we really have three outputs and this can be significant later on in our development. 118 00:12:08,270 --> 00:12:14,114 And now Steve will show you the oscilloscope readings that we actually collected 119 00:12:14,115 --> 00:12:19,557 when we were running this device with this controller board. 120 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,771 We collect the data from our digital source scopes 121 00:12:24,772 --> 00:12:30,000 with the computer and analyze and plot the data using MATLAB or Excel. 122 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:34,740 These are images of Excel plots of the system running at ten hertz. 123 00:12:35,370 --> 00:12:43,769 The top trace is the power measured at the A input coil, and the bottom trace is the power measured at the A output coil. 124 00:12:44,757 --> 00:12:48,786 The color shading represents when the input coil is energized. 125 00:12:49,014 --> 00:12:50,357 Green for side A, 126 00:12:50,358 --> 00:12:56,369 light green for side B, the side B data is a mirror image of the side A data. 127 00:12:57,180 --> 00:13:00,990 The plots show a long duration between the power pulses. 128 00:13:01,620 --> 00:13:05,250 They only occur when the coils are turned on and off. 129 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:12,269 We were able to detect output power in the input coils when they were not power. 130 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:23,220 The power levels for this system were small because we could not operate the system at frequencies above ten hertz due to any currents and heating of the material. 131 00:13:30,730 --> 00:13:36,171 The next phase of our development, we moved to a material that was more suitable for switching 132 00:13:36,172 --> 00:13:39,171 the configuration you see here. 133 00:13:40,990 --> 00:13:47,649 Represents the same configuration that you saw with the bars of magnetic iron. 134 00:13:47,830 --> 00:13:53,143 However, the material now is more advanced material that's called nanocrystals, 135 00:13:53,144 --> 00:14:01,929 and the nanocrystals material allows you to switch faster and carry more flux than the other material did. 136 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:09,070 We have added output coils just like the other and two input coils. 137 00:14:09,910 --> 00:14:12,843 These are controlled by an electronic control board 138 00:14:12,844 --> 00:14:19,857 that uses a standard switching circuit and drives it through drive transistors. 139 00:14:21,310 --> 00:14:29,914 The problem with this system is that we really are not able to extract the power out of the one coil, 140 00:14:29,915 --> 00:14:35,314 the input coil that is not turned on because of the circuitry that we're using. 141 00:14:35,620 --> 00:14:41,056 In addition, we have to get a more uniform input 142 00:14:41,057 --> 00:14:45,029 of the flux from the magnet into this material because it is laminated. 143 00:14:45,460 --> 00:14:50,559 It is not as uniformly distributed flux as the solid material does. 144 00:14:50,980 --> 00:14:56,071 So we have to develop new schemes for injecting the magnetic flux in 145 00:14:56,072 --> 00:15:01,843 without causing parts of the core to saturate to get significant power out. 146 00:15:05,420 --> 00:15:11,286 Now we'll review data plots that show the kind of performance that we can expect from the system 147 00:15:11,287 --> 00:15:13,671 in its operation. 148 00:15:17,630 --> 00:15:28,557 Again, the data displayed is for the side, A input coil top and the side A output coil On the bottom. 149 00:15:28,558 --> 00:15:36,440 Side B is a mirror image of the data show because the nanocrystals material responds rapidly. 150 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,769 We were able to run the system at 31 kilohertz. 151 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,610 The material doesn't absorb significant energy and does not heat. 152 00:15:44,330 --> 00:15:50,180 We couldn't directly connect a load to the input coils that we were not activating. 153 00:15:50,180 --> 00:15:55,490 However, we were able to place a device called a transorber across the coil. 154 00:15:55,730 --> 00:16:00,320 This allowed us to measure part of the power available in this coil. 155 00:16:01,130 --> 00:16:10,399 If we sum the output for both sets of coils include the power from the input coils that were not energized. 156 00:16:10,700 --> 00:16:18,320 We have about two times the amount of power out that was used on the input coils. 157 00:16:26,450 --> 00:16:33,842 Now that you've seen all of the steps that we went through to develop the device to the state that it's in now. 158 00:16:33,843 --> 00:16:36,049 Let me just point out a couple of things. 159 00:16:36,620 --> 00:16:47,480 The time period between this device, which was a 1998 timeframe and this device was a little over two and a half years. 160 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,059 At this stage of the game. 161 00:16:50,300 --> 00:16:51,470 We were ready to quit. 162 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,009 We had found out exactly what Radice had found out. 163 00:16:55,970 --> 00:17:07,130 And you'll see cited in our patent other work done out in California by people who had gotten to this stage and couldn't move any further because of the material. 164 00:17:08,300 --> 00:17:17,390 Well, we searched and we looked and we spent two years looking for new material that had the characteristics that we needed. 165 00:17:18,140 --> 00:17:26,186 And it wasn't until this nanite crystal and amorphous core material was invented by Allied Signal 166 00:17:26,187 --> 00:17:32,414 and then produced in quantity by Honeywell, that we were able to move from this stage to this stage. 167 00:17:32,930 --> 00:17:40,171 When we got there, we found out that we internally did not have the equipment or the knowhow 168 00:17:40,172 --> 00:17:49,014 to take this driver's circuit and totally reproduce it in an electronic format so that it could be used at the higher speeds. 169 00:17:49,371 --> 00:17:54,709 Now, that does not mean that it can't be done or that this is leading edge technology. 170 00:17:54,710 --> 00:17:56,571 It just means we can't do it. 171 00:17:56,930 --> 00:18:04,586 We know where we can take this circuit and go to several different companies and literally say, 172 00:18:04,587 --> 00:18:10,271 take this and convert it into a full electronic version 173 00:18:10,272 --> 00:18:18,557 that we can use at speeds up to 30, 50 kilohertz. 174 00:18:18,860 --> 00:18:24,329 We've also talked to two manufacturers of this material about the injection problem. 175 00:18:24,410 --> 00:18:27,129 We know where we can get help to solve that. 176 00:18:27,140 --> 00:18:32,586 And we've talked to a third manufacturer that makes ferrite core material 177 00:18:32,587 --> 00:18:36,229 which may in the long run be better for us. 178 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:46,557 So we're at the stage now where we need to optimize the injection of the magnetic flux into the core material, 179 00:18:46,558 --> 00:18:50,400 optimize the size of the collector cores, 180 00:18:50,401 --> 00:18:58,429 optimize the circuit pack so that the circuit pack now runs, as this one did, 181 00:18:58,430 --> 00:19:00,500 but at the speeds appropriate for this. 182 00:19:00,770 --> 00:19:07,486 So what you're looking at is we're at a crossroads where right now we're approximately a year 183 00:19:07,506 --> 00:19:12,771 and about $8.9 million away from having, 184 00:19:12,772 --> 00:19:20,600 I think, one of the greatest advances in technology since Isaac Watts watch the kilowatt. 185 00:19:21,140 --> 00:19:23,930 But we can't get there by ourselves. 186 00:19:24,050 --> 00:19:30,414 We need a financial partner just as we know our are short suits and where to get help 187 00:19:30,415 --> 00:19:32,200 in the technology area. 188 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,029 We have some short suits in the international business area 189 00:19:36,030 --> 00:19:39,714 and we're looking for our financial partner to fill in as well. 190 00:19:39,980 --> 00:19:40,980 thank you. 21210

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