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Hello,Premeditated podcast
listeners.
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Have you ever heard
of Joe Kelsey?
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That was the name given
to a European immigrant
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after World War II.
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Joe spoke no English,
had no family and no friends,
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but in 1950, he landed a job
in a Poughkeepsie factory,
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where a watchman was killed
in a robbery.
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Joe confessed to the murder.
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He was executed
in the electric chair,
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leaving behind zero trace
of his existence
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except for one box
of evidence.
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I tracked that box
through federal,
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state and local warehouses,
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till it ended up
in government storage
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near Horseshoe Bay, Maine,
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where as fate would have it,
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a listener of
thisPremeditated pod
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with municipal connections
has promised
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to deliver me that box.
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In exchange, I'll be telling
this young woman
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everything I've ever unearthed
about the Frozen Hearts Killer,
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who-- as I have
frequently predicted--
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recently resurfaced.
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It's all going down
live at DetectiveCon
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in Portland, Maine.
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Featuring yours truly,
Laci McAllister.
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So mash that button
or just come and find me.
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I am so glad we're going
on this road trip.
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You're fired up
for DetectiveCon?
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Personally,
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I am not looking forward
to a bunch of
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cosplaying Sherlock Holmeses
pointing
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their magnifying glasses
at me.
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But if we want to catch
the Frozen Hearts Killer,
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this is a trade
we have to make.
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Didn't I recently see you
giving a press conference?
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I mean, what's the point
of all this PR
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if you can't bask in
the adulation of your people?
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The only people that I have
are from Horseshoe Bay.
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Not to, you know, dampen
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your shocking enthusiasm
you have for DetectiveCon.
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Nah. DetectiveCon can bite
the entirety of my butt.
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I'm just stoked to go
anywhere where I don't have
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to think about having
Odette's spirit trapped
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in my subconscious,
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or anywhere where Nick
isn't stressing me out.
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Everything okay?No, everything's fine.
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Just sometimes the best way
to support someone you love
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is to give them the space
to do their thing,
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with their endless last-minute
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youth center-opening
to-do lists.
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Woo-hoo, DetectiveCon.
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What do you think
Laci McAllister thinks
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she's gonna find in here?
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Joe Kelsey's crime and execution
is a closed case.
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Not our problem.
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It's just our ticket
to getting her to tell us
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the Frozen Hearts Killer's
identity confidentially,
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without podcasting about it,
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which could send the killer
into hiding.
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If she has all this information,
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why hasn't she gone
to the police?
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She tried.
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Turns out, when you keep
claiming to solve
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another unsolvable crime
without actually solving it,
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law enforcement stops
trusting you.
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I don't think the podcast lady
wants you poking through that.
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It's just that the tape is...
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the tape is alr--
is already loose.
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They ditched us.
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We-We've been ditched.
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They did not ditch us.
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Your fiancée yelled,
"Winter of George,"
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and then jumped
into the backseat
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with her feet out the window.
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Yeah, 'cause George and I
both realized
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I was stressing her out,
and it'd be better
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if I just took this down
the homestretch without her.
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And Nancy probably assumed
you had your own stuff going on.
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Yeah, well,
that's not accurate.
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Are you sure you haven't
seen my youth center list?
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It was on a, uh,
a yellow legal pad
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and had things on it like,
uh, delivery details
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and contact info
for my new STEM hire.
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It did not have
"waste morning
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looking for the list" on it.Okay. Easy.
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You know what, I'm starting to
understand George's motivation.
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I'm supposed to
open tomorrow, Bess.
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I can't mess this up.
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There are kids who need me
not to mess this up.
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Why didn't I take
a picture of it on my phone?
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Or you could've just written it
on your phone.
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Um, have you check
yesterday's jeans?
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That's it.
Yesterday's jeans.
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Look at us.
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Oh, no, wait, wait, wait.
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Do-do you want me to come
with you to the youth center?
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Oh, thanks, but no.
I'm-I'm in the zone,
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and I got my new staff member
coming over to help me.
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And so I'll just leave
you to your, um, uh...
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uh, yourself.
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Yeah, I've got my own things
to do, so...
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The lid is really on there.
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Yeah, 70 years'
worth of people
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with the good sense
not to mess with it.
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You know, it's not
too late to leave it
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the heck alone.
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And you don't. You never do.
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Look at those boots.
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These are all of
Joe Kelsey's possessions.
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Okay, that is moderately cool.
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Can I see that watch?
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"Vos-tok."
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Vostok?
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Soviet.
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My zadiehas one
his father gave him.
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No way.
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I think it's still ticking.
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Built 'em different back then.
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Is that dried blood?
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Yeah, I think it's
the murder weapon.
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Let's see.
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It's a police report.
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Uh, and the original
coroner's notes.
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"Blunt force trauma
to the right side of the skull.
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Angle of impact indicates a
downward attack from the rear."
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Seems like somebody
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who worked at the same factory
as Joe Kelsey
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tried to clear him.
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But by then,
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the police already had
his full confession.
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You guys smell something?
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Electrical spark?
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The heat is off.What does this do?
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No.
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Florence's panel looks
all right.
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What, is it outside?
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Uh, no.
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That's weird.
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Florence,
your slip is showing.
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Ooh, we're losing
power now.
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Hold on,
I'm gonna take the next exit.
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Hold on.
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Um, something's burning,
you guys.
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Something wrong
with the wiring?
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Oh, my God!
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Come on, Florence.
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What the hell was that?
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I told you not to open
that box.
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Okay,
what just happened tells us
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that the items
in the box are haunted.
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By the ghost of
a cold-blooded murderer
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who was executed
by the electric chair.
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Or maybe he burned
to death?
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Electrocution can result
in burns like that.
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I saw it happen to Josh Dodd.
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I'm sure it was
a horrible way to die,
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but why does the ghost want to
take it out on Florence?
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I've only got like half a bar.
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We're gonna have to go up there.
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Inside the nightmare factory?
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How come you
never take a vote?
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Sorry, girl.
We'll be right back.
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No!
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We're locked in.
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Locked in?
Are you kidding me?
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Joe Kelsey's things went
everywhere.
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We should put the stuff
back in the box.
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There's more stuff up here.
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How far did these things go?
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Where did that coaster
come from?
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Well,
if it isn't "glampy."
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If it isn't my most tedious
coffee date ever.
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You stalk much?
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I told you
I wasn't interested.
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And you're trailing mud
on my rugs.
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I did not come in here
looking for you.
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I'm looking for
historical documentation
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about former Passamaquoddy land
in Horseshoe Bay,
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specifically for this address.
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Well, as a matter of fact,
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you are looking for me.
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In the absence of the woman
who's normally in charge here,
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I have recently began
an internship
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as a historical intern.
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Great.
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Suppose you absolutely need
the electric kettle
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to brew a cup of tea.
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You know, thermal shock
from overly hot water
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can burn sensitive tea leaves.
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I'm not one
for reading tea leaves,
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but maybe try being
less sensitive.
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If you want to check this out,
I'm gonna need your name.
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Abby, was it?
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Addy. Soctomah.
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Have this back to you
by end of day.
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And if I'm not here,
then I guess
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I'll just see you never.
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Mm. That would be too soon.
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Hi, George.
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You missed me, right?
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You're stuck in a what?
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Okay.
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Bess is working up a plan
of action for the haunted box,
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and then she's gonna come
pick us up.
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Found Joe Kelsey's watch.
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I am guessing that his
ghost did not want us
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to look at the
evidence in the box.
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Us? I assume this is
the royal we
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from the soon-to-be
queen of DetectiveCon.
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But why?
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He confessed to the murder.
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He was executed for it.
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What did his confession say?
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Oh, thank you.
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"I, Joe Kelsey,
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"being of sound mind
and informed of my rights,
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"do hereby waive
my right to a trial.
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"I confess that on
the night of July 17, 1950
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"in Poughkeepsie, New York,
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"while attempting to take
a cash box
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from the offices..."
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No. I really don't like
that sound.
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"I struck the night watchman
a blow with my hammer."
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So, of course, you follow it.
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No one cares about George.
Whatever.
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Here.
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Wait, hold on.
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That's his hammer.
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Oh, watch out!He's not aiming at us.
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Where are we?
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Joe Kelsey's ghost is
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restaging the crime?
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What is he saying?
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Nachtmensch.
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Nightman.
Is that German?
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I think it's Yiddish.
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Look out!
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Oh, my God!
Nancy.
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Help me!
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Come on.
I got you.
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Dude, I didn't know
you spoke Yiddish.
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I don't.
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My grandparents did.
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I only remember a couple words
here and there.
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Something about that reenactment
didn't make sense.
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Just one thing?
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Joe Kelsey was left-handed.
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Or his ghost was
at least.
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He swung with his left hand.
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And?
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And...
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the coroner's
report indicates
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that the killer swung
with his right hand.
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A downward blow
from behind
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to the right side of the skull
would be consistent
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with a right-handed attack.
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Maybe it was left-handed
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and just kept hitting
the same spot?
260
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It wouldn't match
the blood spatter on the wall.
261
00:13:29,158 --> 00:13:30,507
So, what the ghost showed us
262
00:13:30,551 --> 00:13:32,074
matches his confession,
263
00:13:32,118 --> 00:13:34,643
but it's not
what actually happened? Right.
264
00:13:34,686 --> 00:13:36,862
The evidence can't lie.
265
00:13:36,906 --> 00:13:38,778
But a-a ghost can.
266
00:13:38,822 --> 00:13:40,780
Maybe he wants us
to believe
267
00:13:40,824 --> 00:13:43,000
that he was the murderer.
268
00:13:43,044 --> 00:13:44,524
Uh, we already think that.
269
00:13:44,568 --> 00:13:45,612
Right, the world did.
270
00:13:45,656 --> 00:13:50,226
Based on, what,
a confession
271
00:13:50,269 --> 00:13:52,620
that could have easily been
falsified and written
272
00:13:52,664 --> 00:13:55,188
by cops who spoke
fluent English, unlike Joe.
273
00:13:55,232 --> 00:13:56,582
So, they executed
274
00:13:56,625 --> 00:13:58,410
an innocent man.
275
00:13:58,453 --> 00:14:00,455
Yeah.
276
00:14:00,499 --> 00:14:02,458
But that's not why he's upset.
277
00:14:02,502 --> 00:14:05,070
He's upset about
the lie being exposed
278
00:14:05,113 --> 00:14:07,550
by people looking
too deep into the evidence.
279
00:14:07,594 --> 00:14:09,771
That's why he's trying to
keep it all locked up here.
280
00:14:09,814 --> 00:14:12,034
I mean, but why would a ghost
work so hard
281
00:14:12,078 --> 00:14:14,167
to convince us that he's guilty
if he's not?
282
00:14:14,210 --> 00:14:16,561
I don't know.
That's the question.
283
00:14:16,605 --> 00:14:18,085
Hey.
284
00:14:21,567 --> 00:14:24,048
The matchbook from
Joe's personal effects.
285
00:14:24,092 --> 00:14:26,224
Imagine living your whole life,
286
00:14:26,268 --> 00:14:28,097
and this is all you leave
on the planet
287
00:14:28,140 --> 00:14:29,402
to show you were
ever here.
288
00:14:29,446 --> 00:14:30,882
Ooh, I sure hope that's Bess
289
00:14:30,925 --> 00:14:33,059
with something useful.
290
00:14:34,234 --> 00:14:35,366
All right, what you got?
291
00:14:35,409 --> 00:14:37,585
So, I found an account
in Hannah's files
292
00:14:37,629 --> 00:14:40,589
about a curio shop that was
selling estate sale heirlooms
293
00:14:40,633 --> 00:14:42,852
by a ghost who still wanted
to possess them.
294
00:14:42,896 --> 00:14:45,726
So the shopkeeper burned them
all and the spirit moved on.
295
00:14:45,769 --> 00:14:48,424
Sweet.
Bess says burn it all.
296
00:14:48,468 --> 00:14:50,035
You're on speaker.
297
00:14:50,078 --> 00:14:52,299
Um, that-that's gonna cause
big problems,
298
00:14:52,342 --> 00:14:54,910
because I promised the evidence
to Laci.
299
00:14:54,953 --> 00:14:57,479
But the ghost doesn't want
the evidence examined.
300
00:14:57,522 --> 00:14:59,481
I mean, does Laci even know
what's in the box?
301
00:14:59,524 --> 00:15:01,309
Okay.
That is a good point.
302
00:15:01,352 --> 00:15:02,702
It's a mystery box.
303
00:15:02,746 --> 00:15:05,488
So if she opens it,
anything that looks 1950s-like,
304
00:15:05,531 --> 00:15:07,664
it should still feel legit.
305
00:15:07,707 --> 00:15:08,883
Exactly.
306
00:15:08,927 --> 00:15:10,276
And there's plenty
of vintage decorations
307
00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,191
at the Historical Society
that could fit the bill.
308
00:15:12,235 --> 00:15:15,456
I mean, it's misleading
and not very honest.
309
00:15:16,718 --> 00:15:18,329
But in the debate
between what Laci wants
310
00:15:18,372 --> 00:15:19,808
versus what the ghost wants,
311
00:15:19,852 --> 00:15:21,420
I think we should prioritize
the lives we can save
312
00:15:21,463 --> 00:15:22,769
by catching
the Frozen Hearts Killer
313
00:15:22,812 --> 00:15:24,466
as quickly as possible.Agreed.
314
00:15:24,510 --> 00:15:26,207
All right,
bring the fake evidence, Bess.
315
00:15:26,251 --> 00:15:28,558
Where would we be without you?
316
00:15:28,602 --> 00:15:30,430
Mm, broken down,
trapped in a factory
317
00:15:30,473 --> 00:15:31,866
and haunted, I imagine.
318
00:15:31,909 --> 00:15:32,868
Ciao.
319
00:15:32,911 --> 00:15:34,957
Ted.
320
00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,611
Uh, is Nick about?
321
00:15:36,654 --> 00:15:38,134
He's trying to fix
the Wi-Fi.
322
00:15:38,178 --> 00:15:39,441
Okay.
323
00:15:39,484 --> 00:15:41,138
Okay, Ted,
give it another shot.
324
00:15:41,182 --> 00:15:42,183
Hey.
325
00:15:43,793 --> 00:15:45,056
Wi-Fi.
326
00:15:45,100 --> 00:15:46,275
Okay, good.
327
00:15:46,318 --> 00:15:47,928
Now you can get
your homework done, huh?
328
00:15:47,972 --> 00:15:51,281
Jesse says you haven't been
turning in assignments?
329
00:15:51,324 --> 00:15:54,153
That's not like you.
What's going on?
330
00:15:54,197 --> 00:15:56,939
Nothing. I'm fine.
331
00:15:59,072 --> 00:16:00,378
Found my list.
332
00:16:00,421 --> 00:16:02,336
Almost done. What's up?
333
00:16:02,380 --> 00:16:04,470
It's not as bad
as it sounds.
334
00:16:04,513 --> 00:16:06,211
Oh, that's
a comforting preamble.
335
00:16:06,254 --> 00:16:08,256
Okay, but Nancy, uh, George
and Ace are trapped
336
00:16:08,300 --> 00:16:09,650
in an abandoned factory
337
00:16:09,693 --> 00:16:11,173
by a ghost
who only speaks Yiddish.
338
00:16:12,261 --> 00:16:14,481
Okay.
So, what do they need?
339
00:16:14,524 --> 00:16:16,397
Antiques,
which I can give them.
340
00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,399
And a ride that
you can give me.
341
00:16:18,442 --> 00:16:19,704
Okay. Okay.Yeah.
342
00:16:19,748 --> 00:16:21,707
Uh, Jesse's putting
together bookshelves,
343
00:16:21,751 --> 00:16:23,100
so let me see
if my new STEM counselor
344
00:16:23,144 --> 00:16:24,188
can-can watch things here.
345
00:16:24,232 --> 00:16:25,276
She's a godsend.Okay.
346
00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:26,277
Uh, Addy?
347
00:16:26,321 --> 00:16:28,324
No.
348
00:16:30,761 --> 00:16:32,980
I talked to my contact at
the state recorder's office.
349
00:16:33,024 --> 00:16:34,331
These documents
should get us
350
00:16:34,374 --> 00:16:36,463
the plaque.
351
00:16:37,551 --> 00:16:40,729
Oh, uh, oh, this place was built
on unceded lands
352
00:16:40,773 --> 00:16:43,254
that belong to
the Passamaquoddy.
353
00:16:43,297 --> 00:16:45,692
So, we're gonna get a plaque
out front to commemorate.
354
00:16:45,735 --> 00:16:46,954
So, she works here?
355
00:16:46,997 --> 00:16:49,043
Yeah.
356
00:16:49,086 --> 00:16:51,655
Yeah, you two, uh...
357
00:16:51,699 --> 00:16:53,918
you know each other?
358
00:16:53,962 --> 00:16:56,573
Hmm. Oh, you know,
we should go.
359
00:16:56,617 --> 00:16:58,185
Our friends
really need us, so...
360
00:16:58,228 --> 00:17:00,578
Yeah. Addy, can you hold it down
here for a few hours?
361
00:17:00,622 --> 00:17:01,840
Oh, yeah. Sure thing.
362
00:17:06,542 --> 00:17:08,413
Guess we'll be seeing more
of each other after all.
363
00:17:10,111 --> 00:17:12,810
Come on, Nick.
Let's go.
364
00:17:16,815 --> 00:17:18,164
Joe Kelsey,
365
00:17:18,208 --> 00:17:20,253
we have heard you.
366
00:17:20,297 --> 00:17:22,082
Your secret is safe with us.
367
00:17:22,125 --> 00:17:24,476
We will not tell your story.
No one will ever know.
368
00:17:24,519 --> 00:17:27,000
This we promise.
369
00:17:27,043 --> 00:17:28,655
Okay. Are we sure
that we found everything?
370
00:17:28,698 --> 00:17:30,265
Yeah.
371
00:17:30,309 --> 00:17:31,832
There's nothing left of him.
372
00:17:37,099 --> 00:17:38,405
Thank you, Joe.
373
00:17:54,424 --> 00:17:56,339
Feels normal.
374
00:17:56,382 --> 00:17:57,993
All right.
375
00:17:58,037 --> 00:17:59,517
We back in business.
376
00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,040
Okay.
377
00:18:01,083 --> 00:18:03,739
I will text Nick and Bess
to tell them to meet us
378
00:18:03,783 --> 00:18:05,480
at the convention site.
379
00:18:27,505 --> 00:18:29,508
What was the name again?
380
00:18:29,552 --> 00:18:31,249
Nancy Drew.
381
00:18:31,293 --> 00:18:32,946
Feel like you would've
been bigger here.
382
00:18:32,990 --> 00:18:35,776
I guess my legend's
purely coastal.
383
00:18:35,820 --> 00:18:37,691
Great costume.
384
00:18:39,693 --> 00:18:40,695
Hey.
385
00:18:40,739 --> 00:18:43,350
Oh, here.
Yeah.
386
00:18:43,394 --> 00:18:45,396
Hi. I am so sorry
to pull you away.
Hey.
387
00:18:45,439 --> 00:18:46,963
I know you have so much
on your plate right now.
388
00:18:47,007 --> 00:18:48,835
I got it all under control.
My new hire's on it.
389
00:18:48,878 --> 00:18:50,358
The kids are plugged in.
390
00:18:50,402 --> 00:18:51,577
I got time to have some fun.
391
00:18:51,620 --> 00:18:52,970
Really?Yeah.
392
00:18:53,014 --> 00:18:54,929
Aw, 'cause I didn't need to be
away from you.
393
00:18:56,322 --> 00:18:57,845
Let's have fun.
394
00:18:57,889 --> 00:18:59,456
At DetectiveCon.
395
00:19:00,544 --> 00:19:03,460
it was under "Drew Nancy."
396
00:19:03,504 --> 00:19:05,202
Here are your passes
for the floor, your lanyards,
397
00:19:05,245 --> 00:19:07,247
and your clue sheet.
398
00:19:07,291 --> 00:19:08,553
This year's
incognito nemesis is
399
00:19:08,597 --> 00:19:11,340
diabolical social worker.
400
00:19:11,383 --> 00:19:14,038
If you solve the mystery
and track down your nemesis,
401
00:19:14,081 --> 00:19:16,955
you win a gift card
to Bread Herring Fish & Chips.
402
00:19:16,998 --> 00:19:19,218
Cute.
Cool.
403
00:19:19,261 --> 00:19:22,048
Hey, um, so...
404
00:19:22,091 --> 00:19:24,311
as requested.
405
00:19:24,355 --> 00:19:25,312
Did you burn everything?
406
00:19:25,356 --> 00:19:26,444
Yes.
407
00:19:26,487 --> 00:19:27,619
Good plan, Bess. It worked.
408
00:19:27,662 --> 00:19:30,013
Hey, but you keptthe box
409
00:19:30,057 --> 00:19:32,538
and-and this gross
old tape?
410
00:19:32,581 --> 00:19:35,455
Joe Kelsey's ghost opened
the door and let us out.
411
00:19:35,498 --> 00:19:36,630
So maybe he didn't care
about the wrapping?
412
00:19:36,673 --> 00:19:37,805
Yeah, but you didn't
burn everything.
413
00:19:37,848 --> 00:19:39,459
We need to get rid
of this tape, too.
414
00:19:39,502 --> 00:19:41,505
We need to make this box look
like Nancy never messed with it.
415
00:19:41,549 --> 00:19:44,073
It just has to be good enough
to fool Laci
416
00:19:44,116 --> 00:19:46,293
so she gives me
her Frozen Hearts Killer info.
417
00:19:53,127 --> 00:19:54,564
Very nice.
418
00:19:54,607 --> 00:19:56,043
DetectiveCon,
here we come.
419
00:20:07,056 --> 00:20:09,015
You all right?
420
00:20:12,498 --> 00:20:14,021
Beg your pardon?
421
00:20:14,064 --> 00:20:15,762
My head is burning.
422
00:20:37,657 --> 00:20:39,659
What is happening
with you right now?
423
00:20:51,194 --> 00:20:54,372
They said Laci should be
in the mainstage area.
424
00:20:54,416 --> 00:20:57,245
Okay, let's try not to get...
separated.
425
00:20:57,288 --> 00:20:58,420
What?
426
00:20:58,464 --> 00:21:01,032
What the hell is that?
427
00:21:01,076 --> 00:21:02,033
Hey,
428
00:21:02,077 --> 00:21:03,861
why does that look exactly
429
00:21:03,905 --> 00:21:05,168
like your Claw uniform?
430
00:21:05,211 --> 00:21:07,953
You totally nailed her.
431
00:21:07,997 --> 00:21:09,520
I nailed who?
432
00:21:09,564 --> 00:21:12,350
You know what would round it out
is a nametag.
433
00:21:15,701 --> 00:21:17,487
Oh, my...
434
00:21:17,530 --> 00:21:19,445
What... Are you...Oh,
435
00:21:19,489 --> 00:21:21,099
so George of you
to pretend you don't know.
436
00:21:22,143 --> 00:21:23,537
We're
the Fan Fans.
437
00:21:23,581 --> 00:21:26,758
Fans of George Fan.
We also sell
438
00:21:26,801 --> 00:21:28,455
officially licensed crowbars.
439
00:21:29,805 --> 00:21:31,633
"Purchase your own George Fan
440
00:21:31,677 --> 00:21:33,374
official merchandise."
441
00:21:33,417 --> 00:21:36,030
You know, a tribute
to the anonymously-penned,
442
00:21:36,073 --> 00:21:39,337
epic legend of George Fan
the ghost detective.
443
00:21:39,381 --> 00:21:42,472
She gruesomely died,
then returned from the dead
444
00:21:42,516 --> 00:21:44,169
to solve supernatural mysteries
445
00:21:44,213 --> 00:21:46,389
with her plucky sidekick,
Nancy Drew.
446
00:21:46,432 --> 00:21:49,436
Oh. Plucky.
447
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,874
Okay, how-how did
all of this happen?
448
00:21:51,917 --> 00:21:53,485
Wait.
449
00:21:53,529 --> 00:21:55,269
You really aren't a fan?
450
00:21:55,313 --> 00:21:57,533
No, girl. I am theFan!
451
00:21:57,576 --> 00:21:59,100
Who-who is writing about me?
452
00:21:59,144 --> 00:22:00,493
Where can I find
these stories?
453
00:22:00,537 --> 00:22:01,842
Uh, well, online.
454
00:22:01,886 --> 00:22:04,584
I am really glad
I made this trip.
455
00:22:13,377 --> 00:22:15,597
Have some of this.
456
00:22:15,641 --> 00:22:18,035
Feels like an electrical
storm in my brain.
457
00:22:18,079 --> 00:22:20,168
Well, the Con can be
very overwhelming.
458
00:22:20,211 --> 00:22:22,823
Plus, you owe me
four dollars for that water.
459
00:22:24,129 --> 00:22:26,131
Hey.
460
00:22:26,175 --> 00:22:28,830
Nearly got a smile out of you.
461
00:22:28,873 --> 00:22:31,268
Nick says that
I was imagining things,
462
00:22:31,311 --> 00:22:33,052
but when you didn't invite me
to this adventure,
463
00:22:33,096 --> 00:22:37,057
I thought that you were
leaving me behind on purpose.
464
00:22:38,145 --> 00:22:41,193
I guess I was feeling
a little bit mothered by you.
465
00:22:41,236 --> 00:22:43,369
So, I was right.
466
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:48,244
Wait. Mothered?
467
00:22:49,724 --> 00:22:51,813
Ace, you needed it.
468
00:22:51,857 --> 00:22:55,122
Letting Mr. Bobbsey
worm his way into your life.
469
00:22:55,165 --> 00:22:56,732
I kicked him out of my car.
470
00:22:56,776 --> 00:22:58,604
That doesn't mean it's over.
471
00:22:58,647 --> 00:23:01,303
People like that don't take no
for an answer, trust me.
472
00:23:02,826 --> 00:23:05,221
Okay. Okay, let's just deal
with one problem at a time.
473
00:23:05,264 --> 00:23:07,397
You have to sit down.
Now.
474
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,228
I think I made a connection
with Joe Kelsey's ghost.
475
00:23:11,271 --> 00:23:15,014
Maybe because I kept something
476
00:23:15,058 --> 00:23:17,060
from his evidence box.
477
00:23:18,715 --> 00:23:22,632
That is exactly
what I told you not to do.
478
00:23:22,675 --> 00:23:24,678
I know.Okay, whatever it is,
479
00:23:24,722 --> 00:23:26,593
we need to burn it right now.
480
00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:35,343
He's showing me something else.
481
00:23:43,700 --> 00:23:46,137
What? Are you...
482
00:23:48,488 --> 00:23:50,447
Wha...
483
00:23:54,539 --> 00:23:56,236
Okay, your face is on fire
484
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,151
like someone has just sat you
in an electric chair,
485
00:23:58,195 --> 00:24:00,241
and you're randomly
speaking in Yiddish.
486
00:24:00,285 --> 00:24:03,636
We need to neutralize
this curse right now.
487
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,292
Come on.No.
488
00:24:06,335 --> 00:24:08,555
I have to see what his ghost
is trying to tell me.
489
00:24:09,599 --> 00:24:10,949
But why?
490
00:24:10,992 --> 00:24:13,430
Joe had numbers on his arm.
491
00:24:13,474 --> 00:24:15,041
Just like my grandfather.
492
00:24:15,084 --> 00:24:16,956
I have to know
493
00:24:16,999 --> 00:24:19,655
why someone
who survived the Holocaust
494
00:24:19,699 --> 00:24:21,091
would decide to give up
495
00:24:21,135 --> 00:24:23,660
his own life in America.But...
496
00:24:23,704 --> 00:24:25,401
Ace, come back here, now.
497
00:24:27,490 --> 00:24:29,187
Laci?
498
00:24:29,231 --> 00:24:31,495
Hi, I'm-I'm
Nancy Drew.
499
00:24:31,538 --> 00:24:34,150
Oh, my God, um, hi.
500
00:24:34,193 --> 00:24:35,586
You're real.
501
00:24:35,630 --> 00:24:37,850
I think so.
502
00:24:37,894 --> 00:24:41,332
Is that it--
the Joe Kelsey evidence?
503
00:24:41,375 --> 00:24:43,509
I can't believe it.Uh,
504
00:24:43,552 --> 00:24:46,642
I know how much you care
about the Joe Kelsey case.
505
00:24:46,686 --> 00:24:49,342
And I know how much you care
506
00:24:49,385 --> 00:24:51,170
about catching
the Frozen Hearts Killer.
507
00:24:51,213 --> 00:24:54,652
Right. So, what do
you know about him?
508
00:24:56,698 --> 00:25:00,094
Well, I did a show
real early in my podcast
509
00:25:00,137 --> 00:25:02,792
where I proposed that FHK
stopped killing three years ago
510
00:25:02,836 --> 00:25:05,229
because he used argon
as a freezing agent
511
00:25:05,273 --> 00:25:06,754
and accidentally froze off
two of his fingers.
512
00:25:06,797 --> 00:25:10,061
I did a deep dive.
I listened to that episode.
513
00:25:10,105 --> 00:25:12,151
Yeah, but you can't listen
to my voice mails.
514
00:25:12,195 --> 00:25:14,937
A listener called in.
Which was remarkable,
515
00:25:14,980 --> 00:25:18,158
because although I get about
100,000 downloads per pod now,
516
00:25:18,202 --> 00:25:20,944
I had no idea I had
any listeners back then.
517
00:25:20,987 --> 00:25:23,860
And he said he liked
the part when I said
518
00:25:23,904 --> 00:25:26,167
that FHK had a lot of pride.
519
00:25:26,211 --> 00:25:29,040
And that he targeted victims
who he felt slighted him.
520
00:25:29,083 --> 00:25:30,912
You did listen.
521
00:25:32,087 --> 00:25:35,874
The caller thanked me
for, quote...
522
00:25:35,917 --> 00:25:37,354
"Getting it right."
523
00:25:37,398 --> 00:25:40,053
Well, he was claiming
to be the killer.Exactly.
524
00:25:40,096 --> 00:25:42,404
I profiled the caller,
I sifted through metadata,
525
00:25:42,447 --> 00:25:44,101
and I tracked
his digital footprint
526
00:25:44,145 --> 00:25:46,800
to the alias Richard Trott.
527
00:25:46,843 --> 00:25:49,194
The eight-fingered man.
I got that far, too.
528
00:25:49,238 --> 00:25:51,631
Did you get his real name?
529
00:25:51,675 --> 00:25:54,026
Rodric T. Hartt.
530
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:56,463
That's Hartt with...Two Ts?
531
00:25:56,507 --> 00:26:00,207
It's an anagram.
Classic.
532
00:26:00,251 --> 00:26:01,948
He still occasionally
leaves me positive reviews.
533
00:26:01,992 --> 00:26:03,167
He gave me this great write-up
534
00:26:03,210 --> 00:26:06,867
after I spoke
at DetectiveCon '18 in Bangor.
535
00:26:06,911 --> 00:26:08,782
Are you planning to say
all of this on your show?
536
00:26:09,870 --> 00:26:11,872
Are you planning on letting go
of this box?
537
00:26:14,180 --> 00:26:15,311
Thank you.
538
00:26:15,355 --> 00:26:17,096
No. Thank you.
539
00:26:21,318 --> 00:26:23,016
Whoa, okay, can
you please not...
540
00:26:23,059 --> 00:26:24,845
No, don't-don't take a selfie
or post that.
541
00:26:24,888 --> 00:26:26,020
No, I'm-I'm not signing
autographs.
542
00:26:26,063 --> 00:26:27,717
I'm so sorry, I...
543
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,632
Can someone please tell me who
the online anonymous author is?
544
00:26:29,675 --> 00:26:32,201
But you're so good
at solving mysteries.
545
00:26:32,244 --> 00:26:33,550
You should tell us.
546
00:26:33,593 --> 00:26:36,554
No.Hey, I just purchased
some of their merch
547
00:26:36,597 --> 00:26:39,600
and their payment app is linked
with one of my contacts.
548
00:26:41,428 --> 00:26:42,691
What's uh-oh?
549
00:26:42,735 --> 00:26:46,391
Oh, look, it's-it's George's
plucky sidekick.
550
00:26:46,434 --> 00:26:48,394
George's what?
551
00:26:48,437 --> 00:26:50,352
Fan Fans?
552
00:26:50,396 --> 00:26:51,963
I'll get back to that.
553
00:26:52,006 --> 00:26:55,619
Listen, Laci gave me Trott's
real name and a decent profile.
554
00:26:55,663 --> 00:26:58,579
Sounds like he really loves
hearing himself talked about.
555
00:26:58,622 --> 00:27:00,930
Like a lot of serial killers,
556
00:27:00,974 --> 00:27:03,977
he follows his own investigation
and he...
557
00:27:04,020 --> 00:27:06,022
He's been to DetectiveCon
before.
558
00:27:06,066 --> 00:27:09,635
I just saw a lightbulb
go on over her head.
559
00:27:13,466 --> 00:27:15,773
Hey, can you go over there
and check in
560
00:27:15,816 --> 00:27:17,601
under the name
Rodric T. Hartt?
561
00:27:17,644 --> 00:27:19,473
Yeah. Got it.
562
00:27:21,475 --> 00:27:22,781
So, you're famous here.
563
00:27:22,824 --> 00:27:25,959
Trust me, I did not mean
to steal your thunder.
564
00:27:26,003 --> 00:27:27,700
I am definitely
not psyched
565
00:27:27,743 --> 00:27:29,180
about someone telling my story,
566
00:27:29,223 --> 00:27:31,531
and also I hate not knowing
who started this legend.
567
00:27:31,574 --> 00:27:35,056
Rodric T. Hartt has
already checked in.
568
00:27:35,100 --> 00:27:37,190
The Frozen Hearts Killer
is here.
569
00:27:55,646 --> 00:27:57,561
Hey, gumshoes!
570
00:27:57,604 --> 00:27:59,737
In ten minutes,
we'll be broadcasting live
571
00:27:59,780 --> 00:28:02,828
with Laci McAllister's
Premeditatedpodcast
572
00:28:02,871 --> 00:28:04,612
on the mainstage.
573
00:28:09,488 --> 00:28:11,446
Do you need a seat?
574
00:28:14,755 --> 00:28:16,104
This isn't my first Con.
575
00:28:16,148 --> 00:28:18,237
I brought these chairs
from home.
576
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:19,587
Thank you, ma'am.
577
00:28:19,630 --> 00:28:21,632
This is helpful.
578
00:28:22,590 --> 00:28:23,504
That's my granddaughter
up there.
579
00:28:31,557 --> 00:28:34,430
Oh, your trash,
Nancy Drew.
580
00:28:34,473 --> 00:28:35,909
Is that Y-O-U-R
or apostrophe R-E?
581
00:28:35,953 --> 00:28:36,911
Both.
582
00:28:36,955 --> 00:28:38,348
That isn't the real box.
583
00:28:38,391 --> 00:28:40,002
Y-You thought I would buy it?
584
00:28:40,045 --> 00:28:41,438
This is DetectiveCon, bitch,
585
00:28:41,481 --> 00:28:44,616
and I needed the evidence
in the box.
586
00:28:44,659 --> 00:28:46,618
What, did you steal it
and keep it for yourself?
587
00:28:46,661 --> 00:28:49,056
No. I had to burn it.What?
588
00:28:49,100 --> 00:28:51,537
If you're trying to solve
the Kelsey case
589
00:28:51,580 --> 00:28:53,539
before I can...No, I'm not.
590
00:28:53,582 --> 00:28:55,803
I just...
I got distracted by it
591
00:28:55,846 --> 00:28:57,152
because I thought
it might have something to do
592
00:28:57,196 --> 00:28:58,632
with the Frozen
Hearts Killer.
593
00:28:58,675 --> 00:29:01,288
But listen... he's here.
594
00:29:01,331 --> 00:29:04,378
Rodric T. Hartt is in
the crowd somewhere.
595
00:29:04,421 --> 00:29:06,728
He checked in
under his real name,
596
00:29:06,771 --> 00:29:08,035
and I'm gonna lure him out.
597
00:29:11,125 --> 00:29:12,909
That's the sound of me blinking.
598
00:29:12,952 --> 00:29:15,043
We both want to catch this guy.
599
00:29:16,087 --> 00:29:17,915
And I need your help.
600
00:29:18,959 --> 00:29:21,050
Please.
601
00:29:27,318 --> 00:29:29,015
Okay, so, what are
we looking for?
602
00:29:29,059 --> 00:29:31,497
Uh, suspicious reactions from
the crowd during Laci's podcast.
603
00:29:31,540 --> 00:29:33,890
Someone who's really
interested, agitated,
604
00:29:33,934 --> 00:29:36,241
you know, murder-y.
605
00:29:36,284 --> 00:29:39,027
Ace?
606
00:29:39,071 --> 00:29:40,550
Ace?
607
00:29:40,594 --> 00:29:42,074
He's fine.
608
00:29:42,117 --> 00:29:46,035
It's just some haunting residue
from unwise decisions.
609
00:29:46,079 --> 00:29:48,777
Hey, are you...
are you good
610
00:29:48,820 --> 00:29:50,475
to help us look for
the Frozen Hearts Killer?
611
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,261
Yes.
612
00:29:53,304 --> 00:29:54,436
Yes. I can do that.
613
00:29:54,479 --> 00:29:56,352
No, no, no, whoa.
614
00:29:56,395 --> 00:29:57,657
Sit in the chair.Okay.
615
00:29:57,701 --> 00:29:59,181
I'm gonna look here.
616
00:29:59,224 --> 00:30:00,486
I'll cover this.
617
00:30:00,530 --> 00:30:01,662
You look over there.Great.
618
00:30:01,706 --> 00:30:03,360
Over there.
619
00:30:07,713 --> 00:30:11,020
Here, honey.
How are you feeling?
620
00:30:13,066 --> 00:30:15,025
Better. Better now.
621
00:30:15,069 --> 00:30:16,897
Here we go, DetectiveCon.
622
00:30:16,940 --> 00:30:19,814
Laci McAllister
coming to you live.
623
00:30:19,857 --> 00:30:21,946
Let me hear it.
624
00:30:26,169 --> 00:30:28,040
Please welcome my guest
625
00:30:28,084 --> 00:30:30,391
Horseshoe Bay's very own
little homegrown detective,
626
00:30:30,434 --> 00:30:32,176
Nancy Drew.
627
00:30:38,270 --> 00:30:39,576
So, tell me
628
00:30:39,619 --> 00:30:40,838
about the profile
that you created
629
00:30:40,881 --> 00:30:41,839
for the Frozen Hearts Killer.
630
00:30:41,882 --> 00:30:45,452
Well, FHK
631
00:30:45,496 --> 00:30:47,237
loves to hear
himself talked about.
632
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,631
He believes he's destined
to become a legend.
633
00:30:49,675 --> 00:30:52,678
But it's kind of sad, really,
634
00:30:52,721 --> 00:30:54,810
because he's a pathetic joke.
635
00:30:54,854 --> 00:30:56,770
You know why this guy
stopped killing?
636
00:30:56,813 --> 00:30:58,467
He froze his
own fingers off.
637
00:30:58,511 --> 00:31:01,776
Well, you can't reach
legend status
638
00:31:01,819 --> 00:31:02,907
if every kill costs you
a digit.
639
00:31:02,951 --> 00:31:04,213
Exactly.
640
00:31:04,257 --> 00:31:05,736
And your audience knows
what's really terrifying
641
00:31:05,780 --> 00:31:07,564
about a serial killer.
642
00:31:07,608 --> 00:31:09,176
The hunt.
643
00:31:09,219 --> 00:31:11,090
But there's no
care invested
644
00:31:11,134 --> 00:31:12,483
in how he picks his targets,
645
00:31:12,527 --> 00:31:14,530
when he picks his targets.
646
00:31:14,573 --> 00:31:18,534
He-he is impulsive.
Stupid, really.
647
00:31:18,577 --> 00:31:21,538
Easily offended
and impatient.
648
00:31:21,581 --> 00:31:24,889
His is never gonna be a
name remembered by history.
649
00:31:24,932 --> 00:31:26,979
Hey!In fact,
650
00:31:27,022 --> 00:31:28,198
We should be focusing on
651
00:31:28,241 --> 00:31:29,764
remembering
the unfortunate victims,
652
00:31:29,808 --> 00:31:31,375
not immortalizing
some loser.
653
00:31:31,418 --> 00:31:32,986
You got me.
654
00:31:35,075 --> 00:31:38,340
Here's your gift card
to Bread Herring Fish & Chips.
655
00:31:38,384 --> 00:31:41,474
You're the incognito nemesis
656
00:31:41,517 --> 00:31:43,302
from the DetectiveCon game.Yeah.
657
00:31:43,345 --> 00:31:44,869
The diabolical social worker.
658
00:31:44,913 --> 00:31:46,784
Are you kidding me?
659
00:31:49,309 --> 00:31:50,572
...who's blocked.
660
00:31:50,615 --> 00:31:52,443
But this guy's method--
661
00:31:52,487 --> 00:31:54,576
freezing the hearts
of his victims?
662
00:31:54,619 --> 00:31:56,187
Let's take a moment
663
00:31:56,231 --> 00:31:57,928
to remember
the most recent victims.
664
00:31:59,321 --> 00:32:01,279
Matthew Burke.
665
00:32:01,323 --> 00:32:03,761
Dustin Yates.
666
00:32:04,849 --> 00:32:06,546
And that brings us
to a couple of messages
667
00:32:06,590 --> 00:32:08,114
from my sponsors.
668
00:32:08,157 --> 00:32:09,681
Back in five.
669
00:32:09,724 --> 00:32:13,337
I am gonna go get my
notes from the car.
670
00:32:13,380 --> 00:32:15,078
And then after the
commercial break,
671
00:32:15,122 --> 00:32:16,428
I can go over the
crime scene details.
672
00:32:16,471 --> 00:32:18,560
Maybe that'll catch
the killer's attention.
673
00:32:18,604 --> 00:32:20,476
Okay.
674
00:32:52,121 --> 00:32:55,299
What you said about
me wasn't true.
675
00:33:09,751 --> 00:33:11,230
Hello, Rodric.
676
00:33:13,145 --> 00:33:15,366
And you said you'd
never say my name.
677
00:33:15,410 --> 00:33:19,414
Also, you were wrong
to call me sloppy.
678
00:33:19,457 --> 00:33:21,504
It's just...
679
00:33:21,547 --> 00:33:23,636
It's-it's not easy.
680
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,030
But I'm...
681
00:33:26,073 --> 00:33:28,076
I'm getting closer.
682
00:33:29,339 --> 00:33:31,384
I'm-I'm getting it right.
683
00:33:32,430 --> 00:33:34,780
You want to be studied.
684
00:33:34,823 --> 00:33:36,825
You want to be known.
685
00:33:36,869 --> 00:33:38,828
You don't really get it.
686
00:33:38,872 --> 00:33:42,179
Maybe someone
else will, though.
687
00:33:42,223 --> 00:33:45,880
When they find
your heart frozen.
688
00:33:48,796 --> 00:33:50,625
Richard Trott.Rodric Hartt.
689
00:33:50,668 --> 00:33:51,974
We know who you are.
690
00:33:52,017 --> 00:33:53,323
Put your hands up.
691
00:34:12,998 --> 00:34:15,393
What happened
to Matthew Burke's heart?
692
00:34:15,436 --> 00:34:16,872
Why did you take it?
693
00:34:16,916 --> 00:34:18,352
What don't I get?
694
00:34:18,396 --> 00:34:20,921
I'm a part of something
much bigger.
695
00:34:20,964 --> 00:34:22,966
You'll never understand.
696
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:42,728
Are you okay?
697
00:34:42,772 --> 00:34:45,776
Yeah, just like we planned.
698
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,835
Hey, you finish your homework?
699
00:35:00,923 --> 00:35:03,100
What else would I be doing?Oh, I don't know--
700
00:35:03,144 --> 00:35:06,452
just checking your Fan Fan sales
on a payment app?
701
00:35:08,758 --> 00:35:09,891
Are you mad?
702
00:35:12,023 --> 00:35:14,678
Ted, how'd you
even find out
703
00:35:14,722 --> 00:35:16,551
about all that stuff
that happened?
704
00:35:16,594 --> 00:35:19,728
Odette told me.
I thought it was cool.
705
00:35:20,772 --> 00:35:23,123
So you were...
706
00:35:23,167 --> 00:35:24,516
proud of me?
707
00:35:25,561 --> 00:35:26,953
I guess.
708
00:35:30,044 --> 00:35:32,699
Well, then...
709
00:35:32,743 --> 00:35:34,180
I guess I'm a Fan Fan, too.
710
00:35:35,616 --> 00:35:37,531
Sign me up.
711
00:35:37,575 --> 00:35:38,750
It's ten dollars to join.
712
00:35:38,793 --> 00:35:40,187
Excuse you?
713
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:41,928
I was gonna share the money.
714
00:35:46,629 --> 00:35:48,675
Well, okay.
715
00:35:48,718 --> 00:35:50,851
That's a lot of money.
Okay, you know what,
716
00:35:50,894 --> 00:35:54,159
I'm gonna try to encourage
your entrepreneurial spirit.
717
00:35:54,203 --> 00:35:56,335
But no slacking off
in school over this
718
00:35:56,379 --> 00:35:59,035
or taking my old hoodies
and selling them without asking.
719
00:35:59,078 --> 00:36:00,558
And you're still grounded.
720
00:36:00,602 --> 00:36:01,951
Do you want me
721
00:36:01,994 --> 00:36:03,475
to limit her Wi-Fi access here?
722
00:36:03,519 --> 00:36:04,998
Mm, no.
723
00:36:05,042 --> 00:36:07,044
She'll just find a workaround,
'cause that's who she is.
724
00:36:07,087 --> 00:36:08,959
And that's fine.
725
00:36:10,004 --> 00:36:13,660
I mean, that's why you're
making this space, right?
726
00:36:13,704 --> 00:36:16,577
So that people can connect
over who they really are.
727
00:36:16,621 --> 00:36:19,928
That's one thing you can
check off your to-do list.
728
00:36:36,469 --> 00:36:39,298
You know, you're
the only person
729
00:36:39,342 --> 00:36:40,779
that I've been
on a date with
730
00:36:40,823 --> 00:36:42,912
who was disappointed I didn't
want to just get coffee.
731
00:36:45,872 --> 00:36:48,832
Conversation isn't a deterrent
for someone with depth.
732
00:36:50,485 --> 00:36:51,879
You know what I did today
733
00:36:51,923 --> 00:36:53,402
other than make
a perfect cup of tea?
734
00:36:53,446 --> 00:36:56,623
Hmm.I helped my friends deal
735
00:36:56,667 --> 00:36:59,366
with paranormal mishaps.
I solved a case.
736
00:36:59,409 --> 00:37:00,846
I caught a serial killer
737
00:37:00,889 --> 00:37:04,154
and I wrangled a haunted spirit.
738
00:37:04,198 --> 00:37:06,156
My life is swirling
739
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,768
with weirdness that occasionally
740
00:37:08,811 --> 00:37:13,512
I like to go for a spot
of word-free physicality.
741
00:37:13,556 --> 00:37:14,992
Okay?
742
00:37:17,866 --> 00:37:21,043
I totally would have banged you,
743
00:37:21,086 --> 00:37:22,698
if I'd known
you were interesting.
744
00:37:42,851 --> 00:37:45,768
Can't believe she caught
an actual serial killer.
745
00:37:45,812 --> 00:37:48,815
Well, it wasn't my plan.
It was, uh...
746
00:37:51,034 --> 00:37:54,691
Uh, look, everyone, sorry.
747
00:37:54,735 --> 00:37:56,606
I need to get my Grandma home.
748
00:38:07,314 --> 00:38:08,402
What is this?
749
00:38:09,970 --> 00:38:12,451
Bluebird Motor Hotel?
750
00:38:13,582 --> 00:38:15,628
How did you get this matchbook?
751
00:38:15,672 --> 00:38:18,850
I kept one last item
from Joe Kelsey's evidence box.
752
00:38:18,893 --> 00:38:21,330
H-How do you know about Joe?
753
00:38:21,374 --> 00:38:23,333
Uh, Grandma,
754
00:38:23,377 --> 00:38:25,901
I, um, tried
to get the box
755
00:38:25,945 --> 00:38:27,120
of his
personal effects.
756
00:38:28,165 --> 00:38:30,951
I'm sorry.
757
00:38:30,994 --> 00:38:33,605
I didn't just want
the box for a podcast.
758
00:38:33,649 --> 00:38:34,825
It was for her.
759
00:38:34,869 --> 00:38:37,175
You knew him?
760
00:38:38,220 --> 00:38:39,874
We worked together.
761
00:38:39,917 --> 00:38:40,919
Somebody who worked in
762
00:38:40,963 --> 00:38:42,704
the same factory as Joe Kelsey
763
00:38:42,747 --> 00:38:45,445
tried to clear him,
but by then,
764
00:38:45,489 --> 00:38:47,753
the police already had
his full confession.
765
00:38:47,797 --> 00:38:50,016
You knew he was innocent.
766
00:38:54,065 --> 00:38:56,371
Those were Joe's words.
767
00:38:56,415 --> 00:38:57,764
Do you know what they mean?
768
00:39:02,596 --> 00:39:04,686
"I'll never leave you,
sweetheart."
769
00:39:04,730 --> 00:39:06,253
I couldn't understand
770
00:39:06,296 --> 00:39:08,211
most of what Joe said,
771
00:39:08,255 --> 00:39:10,301
but that's what
he'd whisper to me
772
00:39:10,345 --> 00:39:13,348
when it was time
for us to leave each other.
773
00:39:13,391 --> 00:39:15,219
Bluebird
774
00:39:15,263 --> 00:39:18,658
Motor Hotel was where we'd meet.
775
00:39:18,702 --> 00:39:21,879
We'd arrive separately
so no one would see us together.
776
00:39:23,882 --> 00:39:25,797
It's where he was
the night of the murder.
777
00:39:25,841 --> 00:39:26,929
With me.
778
00:39:26,972 --> 00:39:28,627
This was 1950,
779
00:39:28,670 --> 00:39:30,281
almost 20 years
before Loving v. Virginia
780
00:39:30,324 --> 00:39:31,761
went to the Supreme Court.
781
00:39:31,804 --> 00:39:34,677
If the people in my Grandma's
neighborhood found out
782
00:39:34,721 --> 00:39:37,550
that a white man and a Black
woman were in a relationship,
783
00:39:37,593 --> 00:39:40,902
it would've been her
who paid the price.
784
00:39:40,946 --> 00:39:42,643
But you didn't care.
785
00:39:42,686 --> 00:39:44,427
You still tried to alibi him.
786
00:39:44,471 --> 00:39:45,689
I knew he was innocent.
787
00:39:45,733 --> 00:39:47,214
I suspected it was
788
00:39:47,257 --> 00:39:48,432
the other night watchman
789
00:39:48,476 --> 00:39:50,826
who stole the money box
790
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:52,262
and murdered his colleague,
791
00:39:52,306 --> 00:39:54,831
pinned the crime on Joe.
792
00:39:54,875 --> 00:39:58,401
That same watchman
robbed another spot
793
00:39:58,444 --> 00:40:00,664
a few years later
and got caught.
794
00:40:00,707 --> 00:40:03,667
Either way,
you couldn't help Joe.
795
00:40:03,710 --> 00:40:07,890
He confessed to a crime
he didn't commit
796
00:40:07,933 --> 00:40:10,458
rather than
see anything happen to you.
797
00:40:11,503 --> 00:40:12,983
He died thinking of you.
798
00:40:14,245 --> 00:40:17,510
Protecting the secret
you two had.
799
00:40:18,903 --> 00:40:21,557
It's why his ghost
wasn't able to move on.
800
00:40:21,601 --> 00:40:25,301
I used to go to his grave
late at night,
801
00:40:25,345 --> 00:40:28,871
in a black mourning veil,
so no one would recognize me.
802
00:40:30,830 --> 00:40:33,745
Just wish I could let him know,
803
00:40:33,789 --> 00:40:35,836
so his soul can rest.
804
00:40:35,879 --> 00:40:37,098
Grandma.
805
00:40:37,141 --> 00:40:39,404
I'm okay.
806
00:40:40,754 --> 00:40:42,582
His sacrifice
807
00:40:42,626 --> 00:40:46,325
let me live my full life.
808
00:40:58,252 --> 00:41:00,429
He knows now.
809
00:41:21,236 --> 00:41:23,326
You can feel good.
810
00:41:23,369 --> 00:41:25,023
You gave those
people some peace,
811
00:41:25,067 --> 00:41:27,678
and you caught
a serial killer.
812
00:41:27,721 --> 00:41:30,116
Yeah.
813
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,597
It's just that he s...
814
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,557
said something to me.
815
00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:40,127
I'm a part of something
much bigger.
816
00:41:40,171 --> 00:41:43,044
You'll never understand.
817
00:41:44,916 --> 00:41:47,484
Do you ever feel like a mystery
isn't quite solved?
818
00:41:47,528 --> 00:41:51,488
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819
00:41:51,532 --> 00:41:52,968
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