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Humans typically adopt
a command-and-control approach
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to environmental problem
solving.
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"Here's the problem.
We can engineer a way around
it."
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Technology is great in so many
realms
of human experience.
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But when you try to apply
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manipulation and control of
ecosystems
through technology,
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you're often successful early
on, but then problems creep in
later on.
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One of the things that
our modern society has done
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is to industrialize
all the living things around us.
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We have factories for living
things.
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And that includes fish.
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Humans believe everything is for
us, so if there are animals in
the world,
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surely they are for us
and surely we should just do
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anything we want with them or to
them, and isn't that great?
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Well, I don't quite see it that
way.
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Fish are wild animal
populations.
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They're not made to, or evolved
to, or really capable of
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being used at the rate
that people use them.
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The old myth of the
Garden of Eden
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is a place where everything was
granted
and everything was beautiful.
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And then, because of human
hubris,
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we were doomed to a life of
toil.
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We are certainly casting
ourselves out of the garden
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and dooming ourselves
to a life of toil
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through our hubris.
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This is a king salmon,
but we refer to them as chinook
salmon,
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which is their more formal name.
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The bath here which has carbon
dioxide,
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it anesthetizes the fish
and knocks them out.
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The guys are pulling the fish
out
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if they're ripe
and they're chinook salmon.
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And we spawn the fish by
inserting
a needle into their body cavity
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which forces air in
and pushes all the eggs out.
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And then, after the fish
have spawned here,
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they go over to the other side
of the table there,
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and we're biologically sampling
the fish.
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Would you like to touch one?
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Feels kind of slimy.
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Coleman National Fish Hatchery
is a mitigation hatchery.
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We're here because of Shasta Dam
being built in 1942.
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So the purpose of
Coleman National Fish Hatchery
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is to mitigate for the loss of
habitat
due to Shasta Dam.
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The creation of the dam
prevented about 180 miles
of river access
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for the salmon,
so here at Coleman National Fish
Hatchery,
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we raise fall chinook salmon,
late fall chinook salmon and
steelhead.
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Our production goal here is 12
million,
so we release 12 million,
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and we're trying to get
a one-percent return.
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We would like 120,000 fish
return.
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Ninety thousand of that will be
caught
in the ocean
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and in river sport fishery,
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20,000 back to the hatchery,
and then 10,000 back to Battle
Creek.
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Why do we need hatcheries?
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Well, I think, you know,
population's going up,
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water's, you know, a concern,
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and so if you still would like
to see salmon,
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I think you're going to need to
have hatcheries, unfortunately.
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It would be nice to think
that there would be enough water
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and environment
to support salmon populations,
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but without hatcheries,
I don't think that would be a
reality.
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This is the Baker River
Dam, 265 feet high,
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which stops millions of
salmon
from returning to their
spawning grounds
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above the dam without
help,
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so the United States Bureau
of Fisheries
has stepped in and saved the
day
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by providing a free ride
upstream.
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It's the only way the salmon
can be saved
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from dashing themselves to
pieces against the
stonework far below.
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Humans have always
thought themselves
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as superior to nature, you know.
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It's got us into a lot of
trouble.
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When the Euromericans came,
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they believed the natural world
was a big warehouse
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storing commodities that they
were
obliged to make use of, to take.
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They asked Spencer Baird,
the U.S. Fish Commissioner,
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what could they do to
ensure that the salmon runs
would go on forever?
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Baird told them, "You're not
going to be able
to protect the habitat
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through regulations because
they'd be unenforceable.
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You're not going to be able
to protect them from dams,
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because progress is going to
demand that dams be built."
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And so he said, "What you need
to do is take up artificial
propagation."
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The people that originally were
the fish-and-wildlife scientists
weren't.
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They were agriculturists.
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And since the 1800s,
our fish-and-wildlife agencies
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have been dominated
by an agricultural mentality.
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Just like a farm, you raise
them, you put them out, you
harvest them.
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That's the basis for
fish-and-wildlife
management in the U.S.
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for ages and ages.
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The fact is salmon must spend
part of their life out in the
wild.
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And it wasn't until, in the
seventies, that we really
started evaluating
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what are we doing when we
release hatchery fish into a
stream?
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The use of hatcheries was a
promise that you could have
salmon
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and you could also have the
benefits
of developing the river.
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Put that next to the fact
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that 40% of the salmon are
extinct
in their historic range
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and the rest are protected
by the Endangered Species Act,
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you would have to say that that
story
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didn't protect the things
that we value, the salmon.
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We've been relying
on those same runs of fish,
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those wild fish,
since the beginning of time.
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When your health is their
health, right,
you're married in that way,
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and I think that union
creates the sacredness.
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To have that relationship
with a single species is real
special.
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You think about the Sioux people
and the buffalo back in the day
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before everything was colonized.
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But that relationship,
unfortunately, was severed.
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If we let these runs go,
then they are gone,
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and I do not think that we,
as people who are on this planet
now,
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should be OK with allowing
salmon to go extinct on our
watch.
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The average person,
when they see a salmon,
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they see a salmon,
they see a finished product.
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And it's perhaps at the end
of their fishing line,
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perhaps in a restaurant on their
plate,
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but they don't see
the complexity of things
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that went into
making that salmon.
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Salmon, I think,
have the most complicated,
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you could also say wondrous
life histories of, I guess, any
fish.
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They start life by hatching
from eggs in a stream.
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And then they go out to the
ocean.
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When they come back,
they're much, much bigger.
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You're distilling
the richness of the ocean
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and enlivening it.
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And then that enlivened
distillation
of the ocean propels itself
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upstream against gravity.
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Sometimes they go well over
a thousand miles inland,
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where, after laying eggs and
creating the potential for a new
generation,
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they die.
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And their carcasses feed
dozens of kinds of animals,
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get dragged deep into the woods.
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The life cycle of the salmon is
actually
the transformation of the ocean
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into living beings that come
ashore
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and become the biggest trees
in the world.
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Wild salmon represent something
that is really important
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to us as human beings.
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You have Native American
cultures here
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that have evolved with the fish
for 11,000 years.
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You have, you know,
families like mine
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that fish for salmon
and eat salmon
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and think about salmon.
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And then I think because this is
the age of human impact,
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that where there are wild
salmon,
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I think it represents our faith
in Mother Nature
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that we allowed that to happen.
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I was born to fish.
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All of my earliest memories
revolve around fish in some way
or another.
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As a young adult,
I built my whole calendar year
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around the Skykomish spring
fishery
for wild steelhead.
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And that really became my
obsession.
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I thought of hatcheries as
something that actually kind of
helped us as fishermen,
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that there would be more fish in
the river
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and we were allowed to kill
the hatchery fish, so that meant
a meal.
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I don't think I ever had one
second where I thought about
conservation at all.
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I thought about getting enough
money for gas and pizza
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so that I could fish all the
time.
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What I didn't realize was that
we were
really at the tail end
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of a long decline of wild fish.
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In late 2000, they announced
that the 2001 season would not
happen,
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that the state was going to
close down that spring
catch-and-release fishery
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because there were so few
wild steelhead fish
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that even a low-impact fishing
season could wipe out the last
of them.
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It was really like a gut punch.
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I mean, I had built this whole
life around this fishery and now
it's gone.
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So that was, in a lot of ways,
a wakeup call.
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I started doing some research,
started reading,
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started talking to people.
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Talked to biologists,
talked to fish managers,
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talked to other fishermen,
and I learned about the four
H's:
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hydro, harvest, habitat, and
hatcheries.
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This was sort of kind of the
impacts on salmon and steelhead
people talked about.
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And so I used that as a
guideline and I started thinking
about the Skykomish,
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and, you know, well, the habitat
hadn't really changed over those
ten years,
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it was pretty good.
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There is no hydro, there's no
dams.
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The harvest, as far as I could
tell, had remained relatively
constant,
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and yet we had
this plummeting number of fish.
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And so the one constant that I
found
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is that a hatchery had been
operating
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for the entire duration of the
decline of wild steelhead.
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I think that was what started
kind of my focus on learning
more
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about the role that hatcheries
play in the decline of...
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not just fishing opportunities
but of wild fish populations,
period.
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When the dams came down
on the Elwha,
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it was the largest river
restoration in history.
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We spent more than $320 million
to recover wild salmon.
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But instead of letting them
recolonize the river naturally,
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the way they've evolved to do
for millions of years,
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we spent $17 million
to build a brand-new hatchery.
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So now we're operating not just
one but two hatcheries
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on a river that was restored
for the benefit of wild salmon.
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And we missed this huge
opportunity
to allow the river to return
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to being truly wild.
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Coho 92-88. No mark, no tag.
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Coho 70-63. No mark, no tag.
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This is a team of interns and
staff.
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They're collecting our long-term
data on salmon use
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of the Elwha nearshore.
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We then take these data,
compare them over the decade
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that we've been
recording the information,
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and look at the evolution
of the Elwha nearshore
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as the dam removal progresses.
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As wild fish now recruit
into this nearshore area,
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we see these large numbers
of hatchery fish.
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Our concern is that the hatchery
species may be challenging the
wild species
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that are trying to recover.
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They are vulnerable
to these hatchery fish,
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either through predation
or physical displacement
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or competition for resources.
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The risk is that we're actually
stunting the river's ability to
restore,
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because these fish that
literally
are the backbone can't restore
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because they're being pressured
by these continued hatchery
releases.
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I do think that humans by nature
have an engineering aspect.
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They like things to be orderly,
they like things to be
predictable.
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So that's what hatcheries give
people.
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The flip side of that is wild,
and wilding your watershed.
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Chinook 152-146.
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Wilding does have great
uncertainty to it.
That's how wild works.
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Wild is scary, but it's
a really important place in
people's soul.
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Did you guys see how we walked
when we were walking up here
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and we were walking along the...
the trees,
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so we could look back
into these two redds here,
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where we know fish spawn.
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The males are the easiest to
see, usually.
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So if there's males on there,
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more than likely there's going
to be a female in there.
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And then we'll sit there and
concentrate 'cause the females
are really hard to see.
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They're like transparent half
the time.
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She's moving up.
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She's straight between us.
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You can see the tail.
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Yep. Moving up.
231
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She's digging.
232
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Yeah, she's digging right there.
233
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It's going to be pretty deep.
234
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Typically, what we see in a
female is about 4,500 eggs.
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Then we'll do the males now.
236
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We'll keep them separate,
keep the milt separate from the
eggs.
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Then after we're done, we check
them for a coded wire tag.
238
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This is the part that has the
coded wire tag embedded in the
head.
239
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And that would have information
on the fish.
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I know some people are going to
view this as being brutal and
barbaric,
241
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but this is what it takes to
collect our group stock at the
Elwha facility.
242
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It's a tool; we're a tool
to help recover the stock.
243
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When we miss a female,
244
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we feel like we have failed
the fish itself,
245
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because we know that those eggs
aren't going to survive as well
246
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as it would at the hatchery.
247
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We brought the eggs in
from the cooler.
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Lay the buckets on the floor and
then
249
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divide the female
for how many males we have.
250
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Put the milt in there. Mix it.
Let it sit for 30 seconds.
251
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Mix them again, and then let
them
sit for another 30 seconds.
252
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Then we weigh down 13 pounds
into a bucket.
253
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Let it drain all the ovarian
fluid and milt.
254
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Put them in iodoform for an hour
255
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and then we'll lay them down
till they eye.
256
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That's effectively artificial
spawning at a hatchery.
257
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There's been a lot of effort
over the last several decades
258
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cataloging all of the genetic
variation
in populations of salmon
259
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and their cousins, trout.
260
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Salmon have developed
an incredible amount of
diversity
261
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that allows them to be
particularly successful
262
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in the stream in which
they were born.
263
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A huge river system
will have huge salmon.
264
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Some of them used to run
up to 100 pounds
265
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in the biggest rivers
that had the most challenging
falls
266
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that they had to jump over.
267
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And then little coastal streams,
they had mostly smaller ones,
268
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even though it was the same
species,
269
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but they were genetically
totally different.
270
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Even in one river, where you
have one species of a certain
size,
271
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you may have the fall run
and the spring run of that
species,
272
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and those fish are completely
different.
273
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They don't interact or
interbreed at all.
274
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We've been stocking salmon
since the time of Darwin.
275
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When we first discovered
how to take eggs and take milt
276
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and combine them, hatch fish,
put them back into fresh water,
277
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we literally knew nothing
of evolutionary ecology.
278
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We would have
been flying blind.
279
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We now know that taking wild
fish
280
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and exposing them
to a hatchery environment,
281
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breeding them, hatching them,
rearing them,
282
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for any amount of time, really,
changes the genetic makeup.
283
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Fish are very complex critters
284
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that have evolved in Mother
Nature over thousands of years,
285
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and there's things
that happen in hatcheries
286
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that don't put them
through those pressures
287
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that they face out in Mother
Nature that makes them so
they're a fit fish.
288
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What happens is you create
a genetically inferior fish
289
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at the hatchery
through all the domestication,
290
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and then those fish go spawn
with fish in the wild,
291
00:24:43,343 --> 00:24:46,312
and that actually can degrade
the genetics of the fish in the
wild,
292
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so they're not as fit either.
293
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What we do with fish hatcheries
294
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is the same thing as growing a
chicken.
295
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Economically it makes more sense
to put a bazillion chickens in
one place,
296
00:24:58,669 --> 00:25:02,052
and that produces
a really inferior chicken.
297
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You know, if nature can produce
X number of fish in a river,
298
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let's dump more young fish in
there.
299
00:25:09,887 --> 00:25:11,717
And it's absolutely wrong.
300
00:25:12,821 --> 00:25:16,722
It's not increasing
our number of wild fish.
301
00:25:16,756 --> 00:25:19,794
It's eventually going
to extirpate all fish.
302
00:25:23,107 --> 00:25:27,077
Life diversifies in order to
survive.
303
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And humans do the opposite:
304
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we simplify, in order to make
things easier for ourselves.
305
00:25:35,292 --> 00:25:38,709
And by imposing simplification
306
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on a world that has taken
millions of years to so
wondrously diversify
307
00:25:43,921 --> 00:25:47,718
is a violent act on life itself.
308
00:26:24,375 --> 00:26:28,379
Well, the fish toss is, is that
we take the fish that return to
the hatchery,
309
00:26:28,414 --> 00:26:30,865
so these are all the fish
that were raised in the
hatchery.
310
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We have this tote of fish,
311
00:26:32,867 --> 00:26:35,490
and I think there's probably
a couple hundred fish in each
tote,
312
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and they get frozen to a solid
block
and we just drop them down
313
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and break them up and refreeze
them so they don't stick
together no more
314
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and prep them for all the school
groups.
315
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There you go.
316
00:27:04,243 --> 00:27:06,417
Can you guys say good morning
to Sheila and Emily?
317
00:27:06,452 --> 00:27:08,212
Good morning.
318
00:27:08,247 --> 00:27:11,560
We talked about the five reasons
why we're doing this a little
bit ago.
319
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Does anybody remember those?
Yeah.
320
00:27:13,701 --> 00:27:14,874
The trees.
321
00:27:14,909 --> 00:27:16,738
The trees.
What about the trees?
322
00:27:16,773 --> 00:27:18,257
The trees need the nutrients.
323
00:27:18,291 --> 00:27:19,189
The nutrients, right?
324
00:27:20,604 --> 00:27:22,710
We partner
with the Nisqually Indian tribe,
325
00:27:22,744 --> 00:27:25,436
who provides the carcasses
from their hatchery program,
326
00:27:25,471 --> 00:27:27,335
which used to be considered
a waste product.
327
00:27:28,405 --> 00:27:30,269
They're actually full
of marine-derived nutrients,
328
00:27:30,303 --> 00:27:32,996
because when they leave the
river system,
they're about yea big.
329
00:27:33,030 --> 00:27:36,689
When they come back, they're
just carrying
so much goodness from the ocean.
330
00:27:37,069 --> 00:27:39,416
So we teach this concept to the
students.
331
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The chinook and steelhead
in this watershed are threatened
species,
332
00:27:42,281 --> 00:27:44,904
so we inspire them to take
action
by getting these carcasses
333
00:27:44,939 --> 00:27:47,735
back into the upper watershed,
which is actually very nutrient
poor.
334
00:28:16,349 --> 00:28:18,351
-Can I get something?
-This one's cool.
335
00:28:20,353 --> 00:28:22,562
What about this?
Is that a big one or little one?
336
00:28:22,597 --> 00:28:24,047
I'll just get this one.
337
00:28:24,081 --> 00:28:25,842
OK, let me get the tail.
It's been severed, OK?
338
00:28:30,053 --> 00:28:34,851
Salmon, I think they are
very important for the
ecosystem.
339
00:28:34,885 --> 00:28:37,646
Many animals eat them.
340
00:28:37,681 --> 00:28:41,754
Well, 138 vertebrae animals
eat the salmon, specifically.
341
00:28:43,031 --> 00:28:46,759
I like the salmon-tossing idea,
I think it's a good help.
342
00:28:46,794 --> 00:28:49,935
But, at the same time,
I don't think it's the best
idea.
343
00:28:51,177 --> 00:28:54,940
The ecosystem runs a specific
way for a specific reason.
344
00:28:54,974 --> 00:28:58,702
We can try and help them
by reducing pollution,
345
00:28:58,737 --> 00:29:03,811
but I don't think that we should
directly interact with the
salmon wildlife
346
00:29:03,845 --> 00:29:06,123
and all that wildlife
347
00:29:06,158 --> 00:29:10,921
and let them run by themselves
and make their own adaptations.
348
00:29:19,827 --> 00:29:22,899
The conversation is,
are there any wild salmon left?
349
00:29:23,451 --> 00:29:25,177
Show me a wild salmon,
350
00:29:25,211 --> 00:29:28,559
show me, you know, an abundant
number coming back of wild
salmon,
351
00:29:28,594 --> 00:29:31,424
and we just don't see it here
in the Nisqually.
352
00:29:32,736 --> 00:29:36,775
As much as I'd rather have wild
salmon, our hatchery salmon are
important
353
00:29:36,809 --> 00:29:40,123
to us continuing our culture
and our traditions.
354
00:29:40,157 --> 00:29:42,332
You know, for us, this is our
church.
355
00:29:42,366 --> 00:29:44,713
You know, this is our medicine
here, being on this river,
356
00:29:44,748 --> 00:29:47,475
and I think people have
a hard time understanding that,
357
00:29:47,509 --> 00:29:51,651
because this is what our
ancestors did
since the beginning of time.
358
00:29:51,686 --> 00:29:54,309
You know, they fished, they
hunted, they gathered.
359
00:29:54,344 --> 00:29:58,037
They protected what we have,
and that's how we lived,
360
00:29:58,072 --> 00:30:02,317
and now we're in 2018,
our salmon are depleting.
361
00:30:04,354 --> 00:30:06,287
These are the raceways
I was telling you about.
362
00:30:06,321 --> 00:30:08,220
Three hundred thousand in each
one.
363
00:30:08,910 --> 00:30:10,118
Yeah, ten.
364
00:30:10,981 --> 00:30:12,914
So that's a lot of fish.
365
00:30:13,984 --> 00:30:16,262
He's going right now,
pulling all the dead ones out.
366
00:30:18,161 --> 00:30:20,819
We're managers
as Native American people.
367
00:30:20,853 --> 00:30:24,029
That's what we do when we
manage, but we also have to
adapt to the times.
368
00:30:42,150 --> 00:30:45,809
People have a tendency
to get enamored with what they
wish was
369
00:30:45,844 --> 00:30:47,604
instead of what is.
370
00:30:48,847 --> 00:30:50,883
There's a certain segment
of the people of this area
371
00:30:50,918 --> 00:30:54,542
that want to blame hatchery fish
for the decline of wild fish.
372
00:30:56,233 --> 00:30:58,235
The biggest problem is too many
people.
373
00:30:58,270 --> 00:31:01,169
And salmon and humans
don't coexist real well.
374
00:31:02,101 --> 00:31:05,484
We're going to build our houses
along the rivers you need,
375
00:31:05,518 --> 00:31:07,658
we're going to build our towns
in the estuaries you need,
376
00:31:07,693 --> 00:31:10,558
we're going to log the forests
you need.
377
00:31:10,592 --> 00:31:13,526
We're going to take our drinking
water out of the river you need.
378
00:31:13,561 --> 00:31:14,907
We made that deal a long time
ago.
379
00:31:14,942 --> 00:31:16,771
We made the
compromise already,
380
00:31:16,805 --> 00:31:19,187
and by saying
that you don't need hatcheries
381
00:31:19,222 --> 00:31:21,569
to provide some
sort of fishable abundance,
382
00:31:21,603 --> 00:31:23,674
you're saying you're going back
on that deal.
383
00:31:31,751 --> 00:31:33,822
There's a lot of runs
in the northwest right now
384
00:31:33,857 --> 00:31:36,101
that if it wasn't for hatchery
fish, they'd be extinct,
385
00:31:36,135 --> 00:31:38,689
because their progeny are
hatchery fish.
386
00:31:39,587 --> 00:31:43,211
Where those fish have blinked
out, they use hatchery fish to
bring them back.
387
00:31:49,873 --> 00:31:53,912
I would like to see us make
hatchery fish as much like wild
fish as possible.
388
00:31:53,946 --> 00:31:57,501
I'd like to see us make them do
as little harm to wild fish as
possible,
389
00:31:57,536 --> 00:32:00,435
and I'd like to replace habitat,
replace culverts,
390
00:32:00,470 --> 00:32:05,337
do everything you can to reduce
the human footprint on salmon
habitat
391
00:32:05,371 --> 00:32:08,857
and make sure that hatchery
and wild fish both are here
forever.
392
00:32:18,488 --> 00:32:22,423
It kind of offends me when
people say that I don't care
about their habitat
393
00:32:22,457 --> 00:32:24,459
or I don't care about conserving
them.
394
00:32:25,115 --> 00:32:28,291
Hunters and fishermen and
sportsmen
395
00:32:28,325 --> 00:32:33,158
have always been at the front
of conservation and habitat
reforms.
396
00:32:33,537 --> 00:32:35,815
If there's a problem, we notice
it
397
00:32:36,368 --> 00:32:39,612
and we like to address it,
not just whine about it.
398
00:32:50,037 --> 00:32:54,041
The reason that I'm involved in
conservation efforts, when I was
younger,
399
00:32:54,075 --> 00:32:56,457
is because I was hoping
I'd see a result.
400
00:32:56,491 --> 00:33:00,012
But as I get older, I'm starting
to think that's less and less
likely
401
00:33:00,047 --> 00:33:03,257
because again we don't seem
to, as a society,
402
00:33:03,291 --> 00:33:05,224
be willing to address the real
issues.
403
00:33:06,743 --> 00:33:08,676
Nature's gone.
404
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:12,300
You're viewing this through
some Disneyland idea
405
00:33:12,335 --> 00:33:16,477
that we can still do all this
bad stuff
and recover salmon.
406
00:33:18,513 --> 00:33:19,790
Nope.
407
00:33:33,183 --> 00:33:35,254
The southern resident
killer whale population
408
00:33:35,289 --> 00:33:40,570
that I've been studying for 42
years began a serious decline
around 1995.
409
00:33:42,330 --> 00:33:43,918
There was almost a hundred
whales.
410
00:33:45,368 --> 00:33:47,301
But we're down to 74 right now.
411
00:33:51,305 --> 00:33:54,653
Salmon and orcas are just
predator-prey.
They're like that.
412
00:33:54,687 --> 00:33:59,520
If you have a decline in the
food, you have a decline in the
whales.
413
00:34:00,555 --> 00:34:04,456
Most of those fish right now
are hatchery produced
414
00:34:04,490 --> 00:34:08,046
and they're getting smaller
and smaller every year.
415
00:34:09,944 --> 00:34:15,087
They averaged 22 pounds, and now
they're averaging 8 and 10
pounds.
416
00:34:15,846 --> 00:34:21,473
The wild runs are being
exterminated
by the hatchery production.
417
00:34:22,508 --> 00:34:26,167
And the whales will follow
the wild fish to extinction.
418
00:34:31,345 --> 00:34:36,522
The icon of the northwest is
starving.
419
00:34:36,557 --> 00:34:39,491
A mother orca whose calf died
after birth
420
00:34:39,525 --> 00:34:43,115
is still carrying her baby 17
days later.
421
00:34:43,150 --> 00:34:46,808
Researchers say that they're now
concerned for the mother's
health.
422
00:34:46,843 --> 00:34:48,879
We had this whale coming in.
423
00:34:49,294 --> 00:34:51,882
Had a brand-new baby;
one of our colleagues saw it,
424
00:34:51,917 --> 00:34:53,574
took a picture of her,
425
00:34:53,608 --> 00:34:58,061
and by the time our boat got
there 30 minutes later, she was
dead.
426
00:34:59,752 --> 00:35:02,824
And the mother started
pushing the dead calf around.
427
00:35:04,792 --> 00:35:07,691
OK, toward her, toward her.
Go ahead.
428
00:35:07,726 --> 00:35:09,245
And baby in mouth. Yes.
429
00:35:10,763 --> 00:35:11,799
There it was.
430
00:35:11,833 --> 00:35:13,766
Yeah. See if she does it again.
431
00:35:15,699 --> 00:35:16,493
Yeah.
432
00:35:18,495 --> 00:35:22,430
Well, she pushed
this dead baby for 17 days.
433
00:35:24,915 --> 00:35:30,093
You know, it was a tour of grief
that went on and on and on.
434
00:35:31,198 --> 00:35:32,716
We want to welcome you
435
00:35:32,751 --> 00:35:38,136
to our last task force meeting
for this year.
436
00:35:38,170 --> 00:35:40,448
Governor Inslee
convened this task force
437
00:35:40,483 --> 00:35:43,451
to save the southern resident
killer whales.
438
00:35:44,694 --> 00:35:49,388
The easy fix that our own
Washington State Department of
Fish and Wildlife says,
439
00:35:49,423 --> 00:35:53,737
"Oh, well, we'll just increase
hatchery production by 50
million fish."
440
00:35:53,772 --> 00:35:55,325
Well, wait a minute.
441
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,258
Why don't you look at what's
happened with hatchery
production
442
00:35:57,293 --> 00:35:59,778
and see that it's not working?
443
00:35:59,812 --> 00:36:02,194
And you want to do more
of what doesn't work?
444
00:36:04,507 --> 00:36:09,857
Nobody wanted to hear "stop
fishing."
That was almost untouchable.
445
00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:14,896
It wasn't about whale
or fish requirements.
446
00:36:16,139 --> 00:36:17,727
It was all about commerce.
447
00:36:21,662 --> 00:36:24,182
Everybody wants to save the
whales.
448
00:36:24,216 --> 00:36:26,736
Nobody wants to change
our own way of life.
449
00:36:29,290 --> 00:36:32,949
It's a very difficult choice
for our society
450
00:36:32,983 --> 00:36:35,883
to look at what we're doing,
451
00:36:35,917 --> 00:36:39,231
what we have done over the years
in terms of fisheries
management,
452
00:36:39,266 --> 00:36:42,269
and change the paradigm.
453
00:36:45,272 --> 00:36:50,104
I didn't realize until about
a month had passed
454
00:36:50,138 --> 00:36:51,899
how depressed I was.
455
00:36:53,866 --> 00:36:58,664
I'm seeing all this before my
very eyes and documenting it.
456
00:36:58,699 --> 00:37:02,323
And that's the part that
is troubling to me, is that,
uh...
457
00:37:03,738 --> 00:37:06,603
I'm going to be in charge of
keeping track
458
00:37:06,638 --> 00:37:10,814
of the extinction of these
animals.
459
00:37:12,195 --> 00:37:17,027
But if it's a lesson to our
society, that, hey, we've got to
change,
460
00:37:18,408 --> 00:37:20,445
maybe that's what I have to do.
461
00:37:21,963 --> 00:37:24,897
We're going to die
of a loneliness of spirit,
462
00:37:24,932 --> 00:37:27,417
with all the creatures gone.
463
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,113
Every year, Idaho Power
partners with other biologists
464
00:37:34,148 --> 00:37:37,634
to raise and release 6.8 million
chinook and steelhead.
465
00:37:37,669 --> 00:37:41,155
The next generation of fish
needs next generation ideas.
466
00:37:41,189 --> 00:37:44,641
Our innovative approach
maintains abundant fish
populations,
467
00:37:44,676 --> 00:37:47,610
giving anglers a chance to land
brag-worthy steelhead.
468
00:37:48,162 --> 00:37:49,543
Fish on.
469
00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:55,514
Hatcheries are pawns
in a game of political power.
470
00:37:56,135 --> 00:37:58,517
The whole thing is about money.
471
00:37:58,552 --> 00:38:01,486
Fishing is a huge industry
472
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,041
and every state is competing
with each other for those
dollars.
473
00:38:06,076 --> 00:38:10,011
It's not about conserving our
resources, it's perverting our
resources
474
00:38:10,046 --> 00:38:13,636
on a short-term bet
to get tourist dollars in.
475
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:17,260
In fact, federal dollars to
support fish-and-wildlife
agencies
476
00:38:17,295 --> 00:38:20,194
is based on how many license
sales there are in each of those
states.
477
00:38:21,195 --> 00:38:24,750
The internal finances is that it
provides power and wealth
478
00:38:24,785 --> 00:38:26,890
to the agencies themselves.
479
00:38:28,167 --> 00:38:31,895
To build a new hatchery,
it's millions and millions of
dollars
480
00:38:31,930 --> 00:38:35,105
of high extensive automated
piping and flow systems,
481
00:38:35,140 --> 00:38:39,662
so you have lots of temperature
control on lots of different
fish-rearing stations
482
00:38:39,696 --> 00:38:42,561
so that you can raise different
species up to different sizes
483
00:38:42,596 --> 00:38:44,701
and maximize production.
484
00:38:45,530 --> 00:38:48,015
We've got the water costs,
electrical costs,
485
00:38:48,049 --> 00:38:49,810
building maintenance costs
486
00:38:49,844 --> 00:38:53,192
and just the feeding costs for
the fish,
487
00:38:53,227 --> 00:38:56,782
so we're looking
at plus-or-minus $20 million
488
00:38:56,817 --> 00:38:59,992
in assorted costs throughout a
year.
489
00:39:00,027 --> 00:39:03,513
It's a major business and
there's portions of that
business
490
00:39:03,548 --> 00:39:08,725
that 20-plus employees
are doing year round.
491
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,694
Hatcheries are a perfect example
of political pork.
492
00:39:12,591 --> 00:39:15,180
They spread the hatcheries
around their state.
493
00:39:15,214 --> 00:39:17,078
They're in almost every county
of the state.
494
00:39:17,113 --> 00:39:20,944
They target them on key members
of the state senate
495
00:39:20,979 --> 00:39:22,774
and the state legislature.
496
00:39:22,808 --> 00:39:25,915
As a result, they buy the
support of that local person.
497
00:39:28,055 --> 00:39:31,921
These hatcheries are
a subsidy to commercial
fishermen,
498
00:39:31,955 --> 00:39:35,545
recreational fishermen,
and it's being paid for
499
00:39:35,580 --> 00:39:37,823
by all the taxpayers.
500
00:39:37,858 --> 00:39:40,274
I think one of the main reasons
why it's important
501
00:39:40,308 --> 00:39:42,034
that people understand what's
going on
502
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:44,623
is just purely the waste
of their money that's happening.
503
00:39:46,729 --> 00:39:49,594
In Washington state alone,
there are 174 hatcheries
504
00:39:49,628 --> 00:39:52,804
producing more than
190 million salmon every year.
505
00:39:53,425 --> 00:39:58,119
On the west coast, over 90%
of the "wild-caught salmon"
506
00:39:58,154 --> 00:40:00,743
you find in markets
actually came from hatcheries.
507
00:40:01,468 --> 00:40:04,263
Between California, Oregon,
Washington and Idaho,
508
00:40:04,298 --> 00:40:08,751
citizens pay for the release
of almost 280 million fish per
year.
509
00:40:09,407 --> 00:40:13,100
Last year, between the United
States, Canada, Russia, Korea,
and Japan,
510
00:40:13,134 --> 00:40:16,759
five billion salmon were
released into the North Pacific.
511
00:40:18,001 --> 00:40:19,865
When I wrote my first book,
512
00:40:19,900 --> 00:40:23,041
the Bonneville Power
Administration
513
00:40:23,075 --> 00:40:28,702
was spending about $140 million
or $150 million
514
00:40:28,736 --> 00:40:30,531
on their program.
515
00:40:30,566 --> 00:40:33,810
Since 1982, they've spent 15
billion.
516
00:40:34,673 --> 00:40:37,435
The General Accounting Office
517
00:40:38,332 --> 00:40:43,958
did a survey and they showed
that hatcheries consumed 40% of
that.
518
00:40:43,993 --> 00:40:46,167
The big question is,
519
00:40:46,513 --> 00:40:51,621
who pays for the raising of the
fish and who gets the benefits?
520
00:40:51,966 --> 00:40:57,455
Fish that go out of the Columbia
River circle around Alaska,
521
00:40:57,489 --> 00:41:00,596
some fish even as far as Russia.
522
00:41:00,630 --> 00:41:04,979
Their survival rate goes down
to .001 or so.
523
00:41:05,428 --> 00:41:10,468
Some of those fish, we figure,
cost over a thousand dollars.
524
00:41:10,502 --> 00:41:15,162
The Entiat Hatchery on the upper
Columbia was producing spring
chinook salmon
525
00:41:15,196 --> 00:41:20,892
that were costing
$68,031 per harvested fish.
526
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,139
State and federal agencies plant
more than a hundred million
rainbow trout
527
00:41:27,174 --> 00:41:29,590
in waters across the United
States every year.
528
00:41:31,627 --> 00:41:33,767
In some of our most protected
wilderness areas,
529
00:41:33,801 --> 00:41:35,251
places high in the mountains
530
00:41:35,285 --> 00:41:37,322
where you're not even allowed
to ride a mountain bike
531
00:41:37,356 --> 00:41:38,703
or pick a wildflower...
532
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,811
taxpayers spend money every year
to drop millions of non-native
fish
533
00:41:43,846 --> 00:41:47,539
by airplane or helicopter, just
so visitors have something to
catch.
534
00:41:55,443 --> 00:41:59,551
Billions of dollars
of citizen public money is spent
535
00:41:59,586 --> 00:42:02,520
to support something
that clearly does not work.
536
00:42:03,106 --> 00:42:06,869
We're on a path to where
there eventually will be no
fish,
537
00:42:06,903 --> 00:42:09,492
and we will have spent billions
of dollars to get to that point.
538
00:42:19,606 --> 00:42:22,470
The ironic thing is
that fish know how to do all
this.
539
00:42:23,368 --> 00:42:26,716
They know how to live in those
environments, they know how to
reproduce.
540
00:42:26,751 --> 00:42:29,926
So if we allow fish
to get back to being fish
541
00:42:29,961 --> 00:42:33,067
and doing what they do
in those environments,
542
00:42:33,102 --> 00:42:37,175
in pulling back some of
our infrastructure, restoring
streams,
543
00:42:37,209 --> 00:42:41,144
we reap the benefits free of
charge.
544
00:42:59,093 --> 00:43:03,201
The concept in the earliest days
of settlement in the west
545
00:43:03,235 --> 00:43:06,894
was that there was a God-given
right to take from it what we
could.
546
00:43:11,485 --> 00:43:14,177
Times change, needs change.
547
00:43:14,212 --> 00:43:17,974
Understanding of our place
in the universe changes.
548
00:43:18,009 --> 00:43:20,839
And the world's becoming
a smaller and more crowded
place.
549
00:43:22,807 --> 00:43:27,466
But this understanding
that we have to take care of the
land,
550
00:43:27,501 --> 00:43:31,747
that it's not infinite, it won't
continue to produce and provide
for us
551
00:43:31,781 --> 00:43:35,371
unless we look at it
and manage it responsibly,
552
00:43:35,405 --> 00:43:37,338
that is a relatively
new concept.
553
00:43:40,065 --> 00:43:44,794
Managing our water resources
is important in our agricultural
pursuits,
554
00:43:44,829 --> 00:43:48,349
but also this water has
tremendous
values to this fishery.
555
00:43:48,971 --> 00:43:53,216
And this fishery is one of the
great fisheries in the world,
556
00:43:53,251 --> 00:43:55,840
and our local economy is based
on that.
557
00:43:56,392 --> 00:44:01,397
So for us to succeed, we need
our community and our river
systems
558
00:44:01,431 --> 00:44:03,502
to be as healthy as possible.
559
00:44:06,264 --> 00:44:10,233
Going back a ways,
this is really the place in
Montana
560
00:44:10,268 --> 00:44:13,547
where the concept
of a wild fishery started.
561
00:44:13,581 --> 00:44:16,136
There were hatchery-raised fish
that were put in here
562
00:44:16,170 --> 00:44:20,450
based on the idea that
the more fish we had in the
river,
563
00:44:20,485 --> 00:44:22,936
the more fish would be
caught by fishermen,
564
00:44:22,970 --> 00:44:25,179
the better our economy would be.
565
00:44:26,042 --> 00:44:28,838
Then lo and behold, they
discovered something very
surprising.
566
00:44:31,323 --> 00:44:33,532
We were doing estimates
now on the Madison,
567
00:44:33,567 --> 00:44:37,709
and we were seeing a lot
of young brown trout in the
lower river,
568
00:44:37,744 --> 00:44:39,711
but the next year they would be
gone.
569
00:44:41,471 --> 00:44:43,266
One of the first things
I kept seeing is
570
00:44:43,301 --> 00:44:45,406
we stocked the best waters.
571
00:44:45,717 --> 00:44:49,134
The waters that had
the best fisheries
572
00:44:49,169 --> 00:44:51,171
were the ones where we
were putting catchables.
573
00:44:52,413 --> 00:44:54,001
I proposed a study.
574
00:44:54,036 --> 00:44:56,555
Leave Norris alone, don't stock
it.
575
00:44:56,590 --> 00:44:58,834
We'll take Varney, not stock it,
576
00:44:58,868 --> 00:45:02,078
and take O'Dell Creek,
which has never been stocked.
577
00:45:02,113 --> 00:45:04,184
Let's stock it and see what
happens.
578
00:45:06,048 --> 00:45:09,499
The first year that we didn't
stock Varney, the upper river,
579
00:45:09,534 --> 00:45:11,709
the population of brown trout
doubled.
580
00:45:12,364 --> 00:45:15,643
And, of course,
when we stocked O'Dell Creek,
581
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,715
the population halved.
582
00:45:18,992 --> 00:45:20,994
We didn't know we were doing
damage.
583
00:45:21,339 --> 00:45:24,756
We figured, well, there's two
out there and we put two more
in,
584
00:45:24,791 --> 00:45:27,138
we've got four fish now
and that's better than two fish.
585
00:45:27,172 --> 00:45:30,520
Well, that's not the math that
works in reality.
586
00:45:31,073 --> 00:45:36,078
Once that information became
available through the
Madison-O'Dell studies,
587
00:45:36,803 --> 00:45:40,565
that maybe our dollars
were being lousily spent,
588
00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:44,431
in fact, we were destroying
what we were trying to protect,
589
00:45:44,465 --> 00:45:48,297
well, they said any waters that
had self-sustaining trout
populations
590
00:45:48,331 --> 00:45:50,092
could not be stocked, period.
591
00:45:51,438 --> 00:45:53,233
And it came policy.
592
00:46:10,975 --> 00:46:13,598
Shortly after that program was
initiated,
593
00:46:13,632 --> 00:46:18,154
you saw the population of this
river just skyrocket with wild
fish.
594
00:46:23,366 --> 00:46:27,819
We started our fly shop in 1979,
a few years after the hatchery
program
595
00:46:27,854 --> 00:46:30,477
was dissolved on the Madison
River.
596
00:46:30,511 --> 00:46:34,170
And we were fortunate to catch
that wave of a wild trout
fishery.
597
00:46:35,965 --> 00:46:39,935
We saw an increase in the number
of anglers that came to Montana,
598
00:46:39,969 --> 00:46:43,352
came to the Yellowstone area,
and specifically southwest
Montana,
599
00:46:43,386 --> 00:46:45,457
to experience those wild
fisheries.
600
00:46:45,837 --> 00:46:51,049
And that's what really kicked in
the fly-fishing businesses at
that time.
601
00:46:56,261 --> 00:46:58,436
People are more attuned
to a healthy river
602
00:46:58,470 --> 00:47:00,334
because they see what's happened
here.
603
00:47:01,335 --> 00:47:04,580
They see the whole cascade
of everything that benefits
604
00:47:04,614 --> 00:47:08,101
because of a wild trout fishery,
including a local economy.
605
00:47:11,104 --> 00:47:13,796
The one thing that came out of
this to me
606
00:47:13,831 --> 00:47:16,834
is the change in behavior of the
humans
607
00:47:16,868 --> 00:47:20,561
when they saw that they weren't
going to be given fish,
608
00:47:20,976 --> 00:47:22,909
that they become more vigilant.
609
00:47:24,186 --> 00:47:26,844
And habitat becomes more
important
610
00:47:26,878 --> 00:47:28,949
when they realize
that's how they get their fish.
611
00:47:45,379 --> 00:47:47,243
As most of you already know,
612
00:47:47,865 --> 00:47:51,178
we had a major eruption
occurring at 8:32 approximately
this morning
613
00:47:51,213 --> 00:47:53,215
on Mount St. Helens.
614
00:47:53,249 --> 00:47:56,770
It does appear that the
northwest flank of the mountain
seems to be gone.
615
00:47:58,841 --> 00:48:01,913
When Mount St. Helens erupted in
1981,
616
00:48:01,948 --> 00:48:05,399
there was a massive explosion
that tore off about 1/3 of the
top of the mountain.
617
00:48:05,986 --> 00:48:09,127
Most of that effluent went down
the Toutle River Basin.
618
00:48:10,163 --> 00:48:12,751
Look at this, it doesn't even
look like
the same country.
619
00:48:12,786 --> 00:48:15,582
I can't believe I used
to camp up in this area.
620
00:48:15,616 --> 00:48:17,756
This doesn't look like
anyplace I've ever been before.
621
00:48:17,791 --> 00:48:22,037
The consequences
at the river were startling.
622
00:48:23,038 --> 00:48:25,833
The upper canyon of Toutle
was totally de-vegetated.
623
00:48:25,868 --> 00:48:28,906
There were chasms of volcanic
effluent.
624
00:48:31,391 --> 00:48:34,083
Anything living in the stream
was virtually destroyed.
625
00:48:39,192 --> 00:48:41,090
It brought back a sense of
hopelessness.
626
00:48:41,125 --> 00:48:43,713
At that point,
there was the feeling that
evolution
627
00:48:43,748 --> 00:48:47,165
and recolonization of rivers
may take tens of thousands of
years.
628
00:48:50,686 --> 00:48:54,621
As a result, that meant that no
more hatchery fish were put into
it.
629
00:48:54,966 --> 00:48:57,279
What became evident
in the Toutle River system
630
00:48:57,313 --> 00:49:01,076
is that the steelhead in
particular came back above what
they were
631
00:49:01,110 --> 00:49:03,837
prior to the eruption five years
later.
632
00:49:04,286 --> 00:49:07,496
By seven years later,
they more than doubled.
633
00:49:08,807 --> 00:49:12,225
So those first years at the
Toutle River were a prime
example
634
00:49:12,259 --> 00:49:15,228
of what wild fish can actually
do
635
00:49:15,262 --> 00:49:19,232
in the most absolute adverse
conditions,
636
00:49:19,266 --> 00:49:24,444
if they are not constrained by
having to intermix with hatchery
populations.
637
00:49:25,376 --> 00:49:29,967
Unfortunately, as the Toutle
River began to show that it can
produce fish,
638
00:49:30,001 --> 00:49:32,555
back we went
to the hatchery programs again.
639
00:49:32,590 --> 00:49:35,800
Hatchery numbers went up,
wild fish went down.
640
00:49:35,834 --> 00:49:37,112
Same old story.
641
00:49:39,217 --> 00:49:42,117
Loss of faith in nature is the
problem.
642
00:49:42,358 --> 00:49:45,810
Nature knows how to make fish
work.
643
00:49:46,811 --> 00:49:49,987
The best thing that we
as human beings can do
644
00:49:50,021 --> 00:49:52,403
and that the salmon and
steelhead ask of us...
645
00:49:52,817 --> 00:49:54,543
"Just get out of our way."
646
00:49:56,890 --> 00:50:01,170
Salmon famously have to fight
their way upstream to spawn,
647
00:50:01,205 --> 00:50:04,484
but thanks to hydroelectric
dams, that's become increasingly
difficult.
648
00:50:04,518 --> 00:50:09,730
But don't worry, because as we
found out recently, America is
on it.
649
00:50:09,765 --> 00:50:11,560
I'm Ben Tracy in Washington
state,
650
00:50:11,594 --> 00:50:13,251
where we're going to introduce
you
651
00:50:13,286 --> 00:50:16,944
to a pretty sweet piece of
technology known as the salmon
cannon.
652
00:50:30,648 --> 00:50:34,100
In your darkest moments of
despair,
653
00:50:34,134 --> 00:50:37,034
when you see a world torn apart
by war,
654
00:50:37,068 --> 00:50:39,415
I want you to remember
that video and think,
655
00:50:39,450 --> 00:50:41,555
"We can do great things."
656
00:50:41,590 --> 00:50:44,662
We can do great things!
657
00:50:49,667 --> 00:50:54,085
Humans believe we can do
anything and everything all the
time,
658
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:58,952
and that "can do" spirit has
gotten us far and made a lot of
changes in the world,
659
00:50:58,986 --> 00:51:01,886
certainly made a lot of us
able to continue living
660
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,337
at gigantic population
densities.
661
00:51:05,614 --> 00:51:09,031
But it has its limits, and we
don't understand anything about
those limits.
662
00:51:11,482 --> 00:51:14,209
An example of a good myth is
Icarus.
663
00:51:14,243 --> 00:51:18,420
Icarus was a tinkerer
and he wanted to free himself
664
00:51:18,454 --> 00:51:21,733
from the bounds of Earth and
gravity, he wanted to fly.
665
00:51:22,458 --> 00:51:26,186
So he made wings, he made wings
of wax.
666
00:51:26,945 --> 00:51:28,015
And he flew.
667
00:51:30,984 --> 00:51:35,713
Because he didn't sense any
limits, he flew too close to the
sun.
668
00:51:36,300 --> 00:51:40,545
The sun melted his wings
and he came crashing down to
earth.
669
00:51:41,857 --> 00:51:45,654
So the greater truth in that is,
670
00:51:45,688 --> 00:51:48,588
beware of hubris.
671
00:51:48,622 --> 00:51:51,177
Exercise some humility.
672
00:51:51,211 --> 00:51:54,387
And be careful when you're
tinkering.
673
00:52:09,954 --> 00:52:11,852
I'm 55 years old now.
674
00:52:11,887 --> 00:52:14,441
I've been living with
my salmon fishing all my life.
675
00:52:15,822 --> 00:52:17,651
I've tried to follow my heart.
676
00:52:17,996 --> 00:52:19,826
I mean, I'm not rich in money.
677
00:52:19,860 --> 00:52:23,830
But I've had 6,000 days on
salmon rivers
all around the world,
678
00:52:23,864 --> 00:52:26,108
which makes me rich in a
different way.
679
00:52:29,767 --> 00:52:34,012
The salmon fishing in Norway is
central to all the small towns
680
00:52:34,047 --> 00:52:36,946
that are located on the river,
and in the old days,
681
00:52:36,981 --> 00:52:41,365
the salmon used to be the thing
that was feeding the people.
682
00:52:41,848 --> 00:52:44,264
It's special, special to Norway.
683
00:52:44,678 --> 00:52:48,475
Now it's also special in the
other way because the second
biggest industry
684
00:52:48,510 --> 00:52:51,237
is this fish-farming thing that
is now...
685
00:52:52,307 --> 00:52:56,000
it's threatening to kill
what's the original fish.
686
00:53:02,006 --> 00:53:04,491
We were so stupid,
I was so stupid,
687
00:53:04,526 --> 00:53:06,769
because when they started
fish farming, I thought,
688
00:53:06,804 --> 00:53:09,324
"Hey, this is the solution to
everything."
689
00:53:09,358 --> 00:53:12,361
We farm the fish and they don't
have to kill our wild fish,
690
00:53:12,396 --> 00:53:14,674
they don't have to kill the fish
I want to fish for,
691
00:53:14,708 --> 00:53:17,642
and the stocks will go up
and all will be fantastic.
692
00:53:18,850 --> 00:53:22,854
In very short time,
we learned that the sea lice
693
00:53:22,889 --> 00:53:26,099
were killing the wild smolt
living in the river.
694
00:53:26,133 --> 00:53:28,101
Fewer fish were coming up.
695
00:53:28,895 --> 00:53:31,794
You know, they say that
one of these farms out here,
696
00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:34,521
they produce as much shit
than the whole town of Oslo,
697
00:53:34,556 --> 00:53:36,799
and they just leave it in the
fjord.
698
00:53:36,834 --> 00:53:40,665
When it's polluted enough,
you move to another location
699
00:53:40,700 --> 00:53:42,978
and you can pollute another
place.
700
00:53:43,012 --> 00:53:48,673
Then there are more fish
escaping from Norwegian fish
farms
701
00:53:48,708 --> 00:53:51,642
than all the Norwegian
wild salmon rivers produce.
702
00:53:51,676 --> 00:53:54,852
And they mix with the wild
stock.
703
00:53:54,886 --> 00:53:58,752
And they destroy
the unique DNA of the fish.
704
00:54:09,453 --> 00:54:13,180
Alta's got the biggest
Atlantic salmon in the world.
705
00:54:13,215 --> 00:54:17,495
There are more 50-pounders
caught here
than anywhere else.
706
00:54:18,496 --> 00:54:22,707
There's quite a big difference
on the river that I see today.
707
00:54:23,708 --> 00:54:28,403
The DNA on the Alta salmon
is not like it was before.
708
00:54:29,611 --> 00:54:33,339
I see no difference between a
fish farm
and a hatchery fish.
709
00:54:34,098 --> 00:54:36,376
Because of gene pollution.
710
00:54:36,894 --> 00:54:41,416
You get escapees from these fish
farms, sometimes millions of
fish escape.
711
00:54:41,450 --> 00:54:46,144
And then they breed with wild
fish, dumbing down the genes.
712
00:54:46,179 --> 00:54:48,561
We're reversing natural
selection.
713
00:54:49,734 --> 00:54:51,564
We're devolving these fish.
714
00:54:56,603 --> 00:55:01,850
I really always wanted
to see... see one of these
farms.
715
00:55:06,579 --> 00:55:07,994
We got into our wetsuits...
716
00:55:10,376 --> 00:55:11,549
then we jumped into the sea.
717
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:17,486
And we sneaked up to one of
these farms.
718
00:55:23,112 --> 00:55:25,943
I knew I was going to see a lot
of fish.
719
00:55:26,771 --> 00:55:29,843
But I didn't think it was going
to be that bad.
720
00:55:31,051 --> 00:55:33,433
It was so full of sick fish.
721
00:55:34,192 --> 00:55:38,162
They had fungus.
They looked like S's.
722
00:55:38,473 --> 00:55:42,269
There were wounds big as my
hand.
723
00:55:43,823 --> 00:55:45,445
Nobody should eat this.
724
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,518
You show this to the moms
that want to feed their kids
with this.
725
00:55:49,553 --> 00:55:52,866
They will never buy one of these
fish.
726
00:55:52,901 --> 00:55:55,973
It was like, if you should walk
into a farm
727
00:55:56,007 --> 00:56:01,047
where you have cows that would
have big wounds bleeding
728
00:56:01,081 --> 00:56:05,396
and lying down, barely
breathing.
729
00:56:05,431 --> 00:56:06,984
Who would eat that?
730
00:56:07,329 --> 00:56:11,989
No one, but these things are
happening under the surface, you
know?
731
00:56:12,023 --> 00:56:13,715
Nobody knows about this.
732
00:56:25,347 --> 00:56:30,387
The thing is, we lost one thing
here and we lost respect for the
ecosystem.
733
00:56:31,526 --> 00:56:34,045
We're the guys that should
protect the rivers,
734
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:38,049
protect them from all kinds of
farms and hatcheries and all
this.
735
00:56:39,948 --> 00:56:45,298
My responsibility is not to feed
the people in the world, OK?
736
00:56:45,332 --> 00:56:47,300
If I have a responsibility,
737
00:56:47,334 --> 00:56:51,925
it is to say when I see things
are wrong with what I like
738
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,963
and what I love,
and that's the rivers and
salmon.
739
00:56:57,655 --> 00:57:00,002
Solution is there.
740
00:57:00,037 --> 00:57:04,317
And that is to get these
into the closed tanks.
741
00:57:05,007 --> 00:57:08,977
If it will double the price of
the salmon, it's worth it.
742
00:57:09,011 --> 00:57:12,049
What's the price of an
ecosystem?
What's its worth?
743
00:57:14,845 --> 00:57:16,847
Skagit 911. What is your
emergency?
744
00:57:17,261 --> 00:57:19,919
My husband and I are on our
boat in Eagle Harbor,
745
00:57:19,953 --> 00:57:23,336
and the middle fish pen
is breaking apart.
746
00:57:24,026 --> 00:57:26,408
It's huge, and the whole
thing is buckling.
747
00:57:26,443 --> 00:57:30,447
There's a forklift that looks
like it's about ready to go in
the water.
748
00:57:30,792 --> 00:57:32,483
Looks pretty dramatic to
me.
749
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:41,181
Well, what just happened was
that there was a catastrophic
failure.
750
00:57:42,148 --> 00:57:45,462
One of the net pens off of
Cypress Island
completely imploded.
751
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,674
The fish that escaped
are Atlantic salmon.
752
00:57:50,708 --> 00:57:52,158
They're not Pacific salmon.
753
00:57:52,538 --> 00:57:56,921
We're talking 305,000 exotic
species
754
00:57:56,956 --> 00:57:59,752
are now polluting Puget Sound.
755
00:58:02,409 --> 00:58:04,653
These fish are going to be
entering into our rivers,
756
00:58:04,688 --> 00:58:08,208
competing with our wild fish
in the spawning grounds,
757
00:58:08,243 --> 00:58:10,210
competing with them for food,
758
00:58:10,245 --> 00:58:14,836
bringing diseases and parasites
and viruses to these wild fish,
759
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:16,285
and it's a disaster.
760
00:58:22,602 --> 00:58:25,571
When I heard that
300,000 Atlantic salmon escaped
761
00:58:25,605 --> 00:58:29,540
into the ocean environment,
I immediately kind of dropped
everything
762
00:58:29,575 --> 00:58:32,819
and knew that this was something
that I needed to go and
document,
763
00:58:32,854 --> 00:58:36,305
because I knew that no one else
was getting the underwater side
of things.
764
00:58:38,273 --> 00:58:39,274
Diver in!
765
00:58:45,798 --> 00:58:49,422
I didn't expect to see the level
of destruction that I saw.
766
00:58:49,456 --> 00:58:53,702
Uh, the pens were totally split
open and completely destroyed.
767
00:58:53,737 --> 00:58:56,429
There were holes all through
them that the Atlantic salmon
had escaped from.
768
00:58:56,463 --> 00:58:59,259
Then there was a few fish left,
769
00:58:59,812 --> 00:59:02,469
gasping, caught in the nets.
770
00:59:02,677 --> 00:59:05,921
But other than that, the fish
were gone into the marine
environment
771
00:59:05,956 --> 00:59:09,304
and clearly unaccounted for.
772
00:59:09,338 --> 00:59:12,549
Galactic Ice, Galactic
Ice, Galactic Ice.
773
00:59:13,515 --> 00:59:17,623
We ask that you remove your
diver from the water
immediately.
774
00:59:17,657 --> 00:59:20,349
This is classified as
trespassing.
775
00:59:20,798 --> 00:59:23,387
We suggest you please
halt these operations.
776
00:59:23,663 --> 00:59:25,492
Cypress Fish Farm, over and
out.
777
00:59:26,045 --> 00:59:28,426
It was an extremely charged
scene.
778
00:59:28,461 --> 00:59:32,085
It seems like it's a big secret
what's going on under there,
779
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,432
and the last thing
that these companies want
780
00:59:34,467 --> 00:59:36,780
is people to go under and
actually see what's going on,
781
00:59:36,814 --> 00:59:39,506
because then these stories
that they're telling the public,
782
00:59:39,541 --> 00:59:42,026
it's so easy to poke holes in
them when you get footage
783
00:59:42,061 --> 00:59:44,304
of what's actually going on on
the farms.
784
00:59:45,133 --> 00:59:47,791
The concept
of an emergency response plan
785
00:59:48,377 --> 00:59:50,414
is, it's a bit humorous.
786
00:59:51,001 --> 00:59:54,625
It's basically, "Tell the
commercial fishers and the
recreational fishers
787
00:59:54,660 --> 00:59:57,628
to go out and fish because now
we have more fish for you."
788
00:59:59,492 --> 01:00:03,047
It's like telling the people
when the Exxon Valdez spilled...
789
01:00:03,669 --> 01:00:06,154
"Free oil! Go collect it!"
790
01:00:12,816 --> 01:00:16,509
Every single day,
our public trust is being
undermined
791
01:00:16,543 --> 01:00:20,513
by the pollution that these pens
are putting into our sound,
792
01:00:20,547 --> 01:00:25,173
the viruses and parasites,
pharmaceuticals
that are going into our waters.
793
01:00:27,485 --> 01:00:32,214
The industrial model is to make
as much money as you can
794
01:00:32,249 --> 01:00:36,529
as quickly as you can,
regardless of the environmental
consequences.
795
01:00:37,772 --> 01:00:40,671
What we're seeing today, what
we've seen over the last couple
of days,
796
01:00:40,706 --> 01:00:43,225
are those environmental
consequences
coming home.
797
01:00:48,023 --> 01:00:51,199
It turns out that Washington is
the only west coast state
798
01:00:51,233 --> 01:00:55,272
that allows open-water net pen
salmon farms.
799
01:00:56,100 --> 01:00:59,310
To me, it's really an outrage
that this is even allowed.
800
01:01:06,732 --> 01:01:11,150
You know, I think anybody who's
concerned with the state of the
environment
801
01:01:11,184 --> 01:01:14,601
and our planet thinks about the
future, and especially if you
have children.
802
01:01:16,673 --> 01:01:20,193
You start to feel like, OK,
what's the world going to be
like for them?
803
01:01:21,885 --> 01:01:25,578
It feels really important
to me that they participate
804
01:01:25,612 --> 01:01:28,098
in protecting their own future.
805
01:01:30,548 --> 01:01:34,242
We're so busy these days
that to be unified on these
things,
806
01:01:34,276 --> 01:01:38,073
whether it's fighting to make
sure that there are salmon in
the future
807
01:01:38,108 --> 01:01:43,596
or going out to catch fish,
those become really precious
times
808
01:01:43,630 --> 01:01:46,426
for a dad who's watching his
kids grow up really fast.
809
01:02:05,860 --> 01:02:07,862
We thought we'd go out there
with a few boats
810
01:02:07,896 --> 01:02:10,519
and wave some signs around
and protest it.
811
01:02:12,176 --> 01:02:15,766
But it turned out that people
from all walks of life
812
01:02:15,801 --> 01:02:20,771
that use the sound or enjoy
living near a healthy sound,
813
01:02:20,806 --> 01:02:22,566
were also outraged.
814
01:02:24,085 --> 01:02:27,191
The Suquamish tribe was there to
protest.
815
01:02:27,226 --> 01:02:30,781
There were commercial fishermen
there. There was a whole fleet
of kayaks.
816
01:02:30,816 --> 01:02:34,095
There was a lot of sport fishing
boats.
817
01:02:34,129 --> 01:02:36,994
I mean, there was even a guy
on a Jet Ski carrying a sign
around.
818
01:02:45,244 --> 01:02:49,179
We spent the few days ahead of
time making some signs to carry
819
01:02:49,213 --> 01:02:52,596
and laughed about sort of what
we would say and what the
slogans were.
820
01:02:53,183 --> 01:02:55,668
But underlying it all,
I think the kids feel like
821
01:02:55,702 --> 01:02:59,741
they're able to participate
in the things they care about.
822
01:03:00,846 --> 01:03:04,919
I think we made our point
because now here we are months
later,
823
01:03:04,953 --> 01:03:09,164
and there's actually three
pieces of legislation that are
pending
824
01:03:09,199 --> 01:03:11,235
affecting net pens.
825
01:03:11,718 --> 01:03:16,793
Wild salmon are threatened
by these sorts of facilities.
826
01:03:16,827 --> 01:03:22,384
The day-in-day-out impacts
to our magical, majestic Salish
Sea
827
01:03:22,419 --> 01:03:24,662
cannot go unchecked.
828
01:03:25,802 --> 01:03:29,840
It is unconscionable that when
we are spending tens and tens
829
01:03:29,875 --> 01:03:32,843
of millions of dollars to
protect and recover wild salmon,
830
01:03:32,878 --> 01:03:38,159
we would allow an invasive
species to be introduced to our
ecosystem.
831
01:03:38,193 --> 01:03:41,438
Mr. President, there are 35 yea,
12 nay, 2 excused.
832
01:03:41,472 --> 01:03:44,717
Having received a constitutional
majority, second substitute
Senate bill 6086
833
01:03:44,751 --> 01:03:47,237
is declared passed; the title of
the bill will be the title of
the act.
834
01:04:24,930 --> 01:04:30,038
The Yurok belief is that we have
been here since the beginning of
time.
835
01:04:31,315 --> 01:04:36,907
At one point, this Earth was a
lonely rock in the universe
floating by itself
836
01:04:36,942 --> 01:04:39,910
and it began to get sad
and its tears became the ocean
837
01:04:39,945 --> 01:04:42,568
and it finally came to be
what we have today.
838
01:04:44,604 --> 01:04:47,814
The Wah-gay, the spirit people,
started creating this world.
839
01:04:52,958 --> 01:04:55,822
And one of the things they had
done was made a relationship
840
01:04:55,857 --> 01:04:58,239
between us and the salmon.
841
01:04:59,067 --> 01:05:02,277
And the salmon were put here
so they could sustain us
842
01:05:02,312 --> 01:05:05,246
and that we would always have
a food source
843
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,973
and that way we'd always live
and we would always be
prosperous.
844
01:05:09,664 --> 01:05:15,221
We also have a story of,
if we don't take care of this
world
845
01:05:15,256 --> 01:05:16,947
and there are no more salmon,
846
01:05:16,982 --> 01:05:19,743
then there will be no more need
for Yurok people.
847
01:05:24,023 --> 01:05:29,028
The 2002 fish kill was really
like the canary in the coal
mine.
848
01:05:29,753 --> 01:05:33,964
It was a low-water year,
but ag got their water.
849
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:40,419
If you divert that much water
and flows get so low on the
planet,
850
01:05:40,453 --> 01:05:43,008
you will have some kind of major
fish disease outbreak.
851
01:05:44,388 --> 01:05:45,976
That's exactly what happened.
852
01:05:46,839 --> 01:05:51,844
Seventy thousand adult salmon
died, all within the Klamath
River.
853
01:05:51,878 --> 01:05:56,435
The dead fish were lining the
banks, you know, three, four
layers deep.
854
01:05:56,469 --> 01:05:59,921
And it smelled like death.
855
01:06:00,887 --> 01:06:05,064
In a wild river, nothing like
that happens, right?
856
01:06:05,099 --> 01:06:07,618
That is not a natural thing.
857
01:06:11,415 --> 01:06:14,142
The future,
if it goes unchanged,
858
01:06:14,177 --> 01:06:16,834
it is going to be the
destruction
of salmon species
859
01:06:16,869 --> 01:06:18,664
on the west coast of the United
States.
860
01:06:25,498 --> 01:06:29,537
The tribe voted not to have
a commercial salmon season this
year
861
01:06:29,571 --> 01:06:31,366
because of the low projected
numbers.
862
01:06:33,817 --> 01:06:37,994
And the subsistence amount was
the lowest I think I've ever
seen.
863
01:06:39,926 --> 01:06:44,586
Tribal members used to live
almost solely
on returning fish runs,
864
01:06:44,621 --> 01:06:48,038
and now this year we get
less than one fish per person?
865
01:06:48,245 --> 01:06:52,387
How can you possibly look at
that
866
01:06:52,422 --> 01:06:56,460
and not realize that there is
a gigantic problem here?
867
01:07:03,433 --> 01:07:06,505
These reductions of the salmon
runs, the big picture is,
868
01:07:06,539 --> 01:07:08,610
is they're affecting our health.
869
01:07:09,232 --> 01:07:12,614
We know those omega oils,
those omega 3s and 6s in salmon
870
01:07:12,649 --> 01:07:14,271
are very heart healthy.
871
01:07:14,306 --> 01:07:17,999
That's why we have a lot of
elders that live to ripe old
ages.
872
01:07:18,034 --> 01:07:21,106
But the point is, is that,
what's going to happen down the
road?
873
01:07:21,140 --> 01:07:23,660
What's going to happen to our
people?
874
01:07:25,696 --> 01:07:28,320
When your society,
when your culture, when your
belief
875
01:07:28,803 --> 01:07:32,358
is connected directly to
the world around you,
876
01:07:32,393 --> 01:07:36,949
when you're raised with the
sense that you are a part of
everything
877
01:07:36,983 --> 01:07:39,986
in your surroundings
and your natural environment,
878
01:07:40,642 --> 01:07:45,509
it does something
to your community's psychology
879
01:07:45,992 --> 01:07:49,444
and mindset when you start to
see
880
01:07:49,479 --> 01:07:53,379
that world crumble and break.
881
01:07:54,139 --> 01:07:58,971
As the decline of the salmon
runs come back,
882
01:07:59,005 --> 01:08:02,837
you can see a direct correlation
with the decline of us as a
people.
883
01:08:04,735 --> 01:08:08,981
It's just a disruption
of the whole sort of cycle of
the tribe
884
01:08:09,015 --> 01:08:11,156
and what we do as a people...
885
01:08:12,502 --> 01:08:14,400
because that fishing isn't
there.
886
01:08:14,435 --> 01:08:19,440
And I think when that happens,
then all of us feel pain.
887
01:08:19,474 --> 01:08:21,235
You know, it's like we grieve
for that.
888
01:08:23,168 --> 01:08:27,137
A lot of times when you're
grieving or when you're hurting
over something,
889
01:08:27,172 --> 01:08:28,897
you turn to drug and alcohol.
890
01:08:29,312 --> 01:08:32,660
And so we're seeing spikes
in drug and alcohol rates.
891
01:08:32,694 --> 01:08:35,145
There's an opioid crisis
on the reservation right now.
892
01:08:35,180 --> 01:08:38,355
There's a suicide crisis
on the reservation right now.
893
01:08:38,666 --> 01:08:41,531
All of these things are
connected,
894
01:08:41,565 --> 01:08:45,155
in part because
when you take away the river,
895
01:08:45,190 --> 01:08:49,918
you take away the fishery,
you take away that core
component
896
01:08:49,953 --> 01:08:53,198
of who we are as a people
and then it kind of falls apart,
897
01:08:53,232 --> 01:08:55,786
and people start getting in
trouble.
898
01:08:55,821 --> 01:08:58,444
That's where we are now,
and that's why you have
899
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:02,621
all those other sort of issues
arising in our community.
900
01:09:20,466 --> 01:09:21,536
Go, boy!
901
01:09:23,538 --> 01:09:25,747
The traditional game of sticks,
902
01:09:25,782 --> 01:09:30,856
it's actually one of the few
pieces of Yurok culture that
never went away.
903
01:09:33,238 --> 01:09:35,516
You have a stick and you have a
tossle.
904
01:09:35,550 --> 01:09:39,071
Take the tossle and make it go
through the goal,
905
01:09:39,105 --> 01:09:42,039
and you do that any way you can.
906
01:09:46,630 --> 01:09:50,255
Today we play of no hitting
with the stick,
907
01:09:50,289 --> 01:09:53,396
no stabbing, no eye gouging
and no choking.
908
01:09:53,430 --> 01:09:57,572
Other than that, everything is
game
and everything is fair to play.
909
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:10,585
If you can take it, you can give
it out a little bit, you get to
play.
910
01:10:12,035 --> 01:10:14,417
It teaches those lessons in
life,
911
01:10:14,451 --> 01:10:18,697
that it's important to Yurok to
be tough,
to be respectful,
912
01:10:19,767 --> 01:10:22,252
and to fight regardless
of what the size difference is.
913
01:10:25,669 --> 01:10:29,086
I think it lends a lot to why,
when we get into conflicts,
914
01:10:29,121 --> 01:10:32,400
or when we get into fights like
the dam,
915
01:10:32,435 --> 01:10:37,371
we don't care who the biggest,
richest man in the world who
owns it,
916
01:10:37,405 --> 01:10:40,857
because we'll play up
every day of the week.
917
01:10:40,891 --> 01:10:42,307
We don't care.
918
01:10:42,341 --> 01:10:46,207
Hey, hey, ho, ho,
Klamath Dam's about to go!
919
01:10:46,242 --> 01:10:50,418
Hey, hey, ho, ho,
Klamath Dam's about to go!
920
01:10:50,453 --> 01:10:54,388
Un-dam the Klamath!
Bring the salmon home!
921
01:10:54,422 --> 01:10:58,564
Un-dam the Klamath!
Bring the salmon home!
922
01:11:00,566 --> 01:11:04,329
We all kind of came back
together and decided
923
01:11:04,363 --> 01:11:06,434
that this was one we were going
to fight.
924
01:11:07,297 --> 01:11:11,819
The FERC license for the dams
expired.
925
01:11:11,853 --> 01:11:16,064
There was this opportunity
to pursue dam removal.
926
01:11:16,858 --> 01:11:19,930
And so that's where the fight
went.
927
01:11:20,276 --> 01:11:22,347
Federal, state and local
lawmakers
928
01:11:22,381 --> 01:11:25,177
has come up with a way to do
what Congress could not:
929
01:11:25,211 --> 01:11:29,561
get the water and the fish
in the Klamath River flowing
freely again.
930
01:11:29,595 --> 01:11:31,321
We're starting to get it right
931
01:11:31,356 --> 01:11:33,427
after so many years of getting
it wrong.
932
01:11:36,706 --> 01:11:40,261
This is the crown jewel
of salmon country.
933
01:11:40,296 --> 01:11:41,849
This is it right here.
934
01:11:42,332 --> 01:11:45,093
The people want it to be wild.
935
01:11:45,128 --> 01:11:48,718
They want it to be what it was
before the dams,
936
01:11:48,752 --> 01:11:53,170
before colonization, before
agriculture.
937
01:11:55,794 --> 01:11:59,349
The work that the tribe is doing
is to redirect the energy
938
01:11:59,384 --> 01:12:02,352
to a place where we're focusing
on that comprehensive
restoration
939
01:12:02,387 --> 01:12:04,354
to get the wild runs back,
940
01:12:04,389 --> 01:12:10,049
as opposed to agreeing to some
kind of short-lived political
compromise,
941
01:12:10,084 --> 01:12:13,812
like the hatchery ideas,
that really just put Band-Aids
942
01:12:13,846 --> 01:12:16,332
on, you know, gaping wounds.
943
01:12:16,746 --> 01:12:19,265
The approach is, we're here
forever,
944
01:12:19,300 --> 01:12:22,165
and we want those wild salmon
to be here forever,
945
01:12:22,199 --> 01:12:24,926
and that's what we're planning
for and that's what we're
working on.
946
01:12:26,342 --> 01:12:28,136
Having a wild river,
947
01:12:28,171 --> 01:12:34,211
having the wild salmon,
it puts the community back
together
948
01:12:34,246 --> 01:12:36,421
and it gives them purpose
949
01:12:36,455 --> 01:12:41,909
and it allows us to fulfill
that initial promise
950
01:12:41,943 --> 01:12:45,809
that we made to the Creator,
right, about taking care of this
river
951
01:12:45,844 --> 01:12:47,639
and living in a balance with us.
952
01:12:47,673 --> 01:12:51,125
And when you do that as a
people, you feel good.
953
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:55,025
That's like the ultimate
self-determination,
954
01:12:55,060 --> 01:12:59,305
that's the ultimate sovereignty,
is to be able to live in a way
955
01:12:59,340 --> 01:13:02,895
that is consistent with your own
cultural values.
956
01:13:03,448 --> 01:13:06,209
And that's what we're fighting
for.
957
01:13:33,443 --> 01:13:36,239
You could say
that everything we learn,
958
01:13:36,273 --> 01:13:38,621
we learn from the stories
that we are given.
959
01:13:40,692 --> 01:13:44,489
You could also then say
that all the problems we have
960
01:13:44,903 --> 01:13:50,391
are symptoms of stories that
were wrong,
961
01:13:50,426 --> 01:13:53,498
stories we told ourselves
and stories we passed on,
962
01:13:53,532 --> 01:13:55,983
where we misunderstood things
deeply.
963
01:14:01,816 --> 01:14:05,441
If hatcheries were successful
and were addressing the
situation,
964
01:14:05,475 --> 01:14:07,719
we wouldn't be having
this discussion today.
965
01:14:12,482 --> 01:14:16,313
The underlying causes of the
problems are still there,
966
01:14:16,762 --> 01:14:18,764
and after all these years,
967
01:14:18,799 --> 01:14:23,389
we're still having to put fish
out there every year to keep
them going.
968
01:14:24,149 --> 01:14:27,324
Perhaps it's time to pull back
and question,
969
01:14:27,359 --> 01:14:29,050
is this the right path forward?
970
01:14:34,539 --> 01:14:38,646
How far do we go
to manufacture wildness
971
01:14:38,681 --> 01:14:41,373
before we realize
what we're really doing
972
01:14:41,407 --> 01:14:47,517
and think about alternative
approaches, like protecting and
restoring wild things?
973
01:14:59,805 --> 01:15:02,636
There's no right way to do
the wrong thing.
974
01:15:03,637 --> 01:15:09,090
The right thing is to work on
our rivers that we've destroyed
975
01:15:09,125 --> 01:15:13,888
and turned into sewers
and dammed up and fix that,
976
01:15:13,923 --> 01:15:16,166
so that we have wild fish.
977
01:15:22,241 --> 01:15:27,799
This little issue is just a
reflection of what we're doing
to the whole planet.
978
01:15:30,249 --> 01:15:33,356
It's more than just
our relationship with fish.
979
01:15:34,564 --> 01:15:38,361
It's how we're trying to control
nature rather than work with
nature.
980
01:15:42,089 --> 01:15:47,266
A life without wild nature,
a life without these great
iconic species,
981
01:15:47,301 --> 01:15:49,234
is an impoverished life.
982
01:15:53,341 --> 01:15:56,759
If we lose all wild species,
we're going to lose ourselves.
82284
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