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We can engineer a way around it." 6 00:01:02,717 --> 00:01:06,480 Technology is great in so many realms of human experience. 7 00:01:08,447 --> 00:01:11,036 But when you try to apply 8 00:01:11,071 --> 00:01:16,076 manipulation and control of ecosystems through technology, 9 00:01:16,110 --> 00:01:21,081 you're often successful early on, but then problems creep in later on. 10 00:01:26,362 --> 00:01:29,744 One of the things that our modern society has done 11 00:01:29,779 --> 00:01:34,197 is to industrialize all the living things around us. 12 00:01:35,578 --> 00:01:39,306 We have factories for living things. 13 00:01:40,824 --> 00:01:42,205 And that includes fish. 14 00:01:44,932 --> 00:01:48,625 Humans believe everything is for us, so if there are animals in the world, 15 00:01:48,660 --> 00:01:50,696 surely they are for us and surely we should just do 16 00:01:50,731 --> 00:01:54,562 anything we want with them or to them, and isn't that great? 17 00:01:56,150 --> 00:01:58,290 Well, I don't quite see it that way. 18 00:02:01,293 --> 00:02:04,262 Fish are wild animal populations. 19 00:02:04,296 --> 00:02:09,991 They're not made to, or evolved to, or really capable of 20 00:02:10,026 --> 00:02:12,649 being used at the rate that people use them. 21 00:02:16,377 --> 00:02:18,828 The old myth of the Garden of Eden 22 00:02:18,862 --> 00:02:22,072 is a place where everything was granted and everything was beautiful. 23 00:02:23,488 --> 00:02:27,940 And then, because of human hubris, 24 00:02:28,562 --> 00:02:33,394 we were doomed to a life of toil. 25 00:02:37,329 --> 00:02:40,919 We are certainly casting ourselves out of the garden 26 00:02:40,953 --> 00:02:43,335 and dooming ourselves to a life of toil 27 00:02:43,991 --> 00:02:45,199 through our hubris. 28 00:04:46,424 --> 00:04:49,392 This is a king salmon, but we refer to them as chinook salmon, 29 00:04:49,427 --> 00:04:51,291 which is their more formal name. 30 00:04:54,984 --> 00:04:57,987 The bath here which has carbon dioxide, 31 00:04:58,021 --> 00:05:00,817 it anesthetizes the fish and knocks them out. 32 00:05:01,439 --> 00:05:02,957 The guys are pulling the fish out 33 00:05:02,992 --> 00:05:05,650 if they're ripe and they're chinook salmon. 34 00:05:06,236 --> 00:05:10,827 And we spawn the fish by inserting a needle into their body cavity 35 00:05:10,862 --> 00:05:14,383 which forces air in and pushes all the eggs out. 36 00:05:15,798 --> 00:05:18,076 And then, after the fish have spawned here, 37 00:05:18,110 --> 00:05:21,321 they go over to the other side of the table there, 38 00:05:21,355 --> 00:05:24,876 and we're biologically sampling the fish. 39 00:05:32,711 --> 00:05:33,678 Would you like to touch one? 40 00:05:43,791 --> 00:05:45,345 Feels kind of slimy. 41 00:05:50,350 --> 00:05:52,835 Coleman National Fish Hatchery is a mitigation hatchery. 42 00:05:52,869 --> 00:05:56,321 We're here because of Shasta Dam being built in 1942. 43 00:05:56,701 --> 00:05:58,737 So the purpose of Coleman National Fish Hatchery 44 00:05:58,772 --> 00:06:03,190 is to mitigate for the loss of habitat due to Shasta Dam. 45 00:06:03,224 --> 00:06:08,816 The creation of the dam prevented about 180 miles of river access 46 00:06:08,851 --> 00:06:11,543 for the salmon, so here at Coleman National Fish Hatchery, 47 00:06:11,578 --> 00:06:14,477 we raise fall chinook salmon, late fall chinook salmon and steelhead. 48 00:06:17,342 --> 00:06:20,897 Our production goal here is 12 million, so we release 12 million, 49 00:06:20,932 --> 00:06:22,934 and we're trying to get a one-percent return. 50 00:06:25,419 --> 00:06:27,801 We would like 120,000 fish return. 51 00:06:27,835 --> 00:06:31,149 Ninety thousand of that will be caught in the ocean 52 00:06:31,183 --> 00:06:33,427 and in river sport fishery, 53 00:06:33,462 --> 00:06:38,052 20,000 back to the hatchery, and then 10,000 back to Battle Creek. 54 00:06:44,058 --> 00:06:45,508 Why do we need hatcheries? 55 00:06:45,888 --> 00:06:49,063 Well, I think, you know, population's going up, 56 00:06:49,098 --> 00:06:50,962 water's, you know, a concern, 57 00:06:50,996 --> 00:06:53,758 and so if you still would like to see salmon, 58 00:06:53,792 --> 00:06:55,967 I think you're going to need to have hatcheries, unfortunately. 59 00:06:58,107 --> 00:07:01,144 It would be nice to think that there would be enough water 60 00:07:01,179 --> 00:07:04,147 and environment to support salmon populations, 61 00:07:04,527 --> 00:07:07,461 but without hatcheries, I don't think that would be a reality. 62 00:07:11,707 --> 00:07:15,607 This is the Baker River Dam, 265 feet high, 63 00:07:15,642 --> 00:07:18,852 which stops millions of salmon from returning to their spawning grounds 64 00:07:18,886 --> 00:07:20,750 above the dam without help, 65 00:07:20,785 --> 00:07:24,478 so the United States Bureau of Fisheries has stepped in and saved the day 66 00:07:24,513 --> 00:07:27,067 by providing a free ride upstream. 67 00:07:27,481 --> 00:07:29,690 It's the only way the salmon can be saved 68 00:07:29,725 --> 00:07:33,832 from dashing themselves to pieces against the stonework far below. 69 00:07:36,283 --> 00:07:38,250 Humans have always thought themselves 70 00:07:38,285 --> 00:07:40,943 as superior to nature, you know. 71 00:07:41,737 --> 00:07:43,463 It's got us into a lot of trouble. 72 00:07:51,091 --> 00:07:53,887 When the Euromericans came, 73 00:07:53,921 --> 00:07:57,166 they believed the natural world was a big warehouse 74 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:01,998 storing commodities that they were obliged to make use of, to take. 75 00:08:05,105 --> 00:08:08,798 They asked Spencer Baird, the U.S. Fish Commissioner, 76 00:08:09,109 --> 00:08:13,493 what could they do to ensure that the salmon runs would go on forever? 77 00:08:19,084 --> 00:08:23,192 Baird told them, "You're not going to be able to protect the habitat 78 00:08:23,226 --> 00:08:26,747 through regulations because they'd be unenforceable. 79 00:08:27,058 --> 00:08:29,301 You're not going to be able to protect them from dams, 80 00:08:29,336 --> 00:08:33,064 because progress is going to demand that dams be built." 81 00:08:34,203 --> 00:08:39,415 And so he said, "What you need to do is take up artificial propagation." 82 00:08:41,486 --> 00:08:47,147 The people that originally were the fish-and-wildlife scientists weren't. 83 00:08:47,181 --> 00:08:49,080 They were agriculturists. 84 00:08:49,114 --> 00:08:53,429 And since the 1800s, our fish-and-wildlife agencies 85 00:08:53,463 --> 00:08:56,639 have been dominated by an agricultural mentality. 86 00:08:57,537 --> 00:09:00,747 Just like a farm, you raise them, you put them out, you harvest them. 87 00:09:00,781 --> 00:09:04,267 That's the basis for fish-and-wildlife management in the U.S. 88 00:09:04,302 --> 00:09:06,476 for ages and ages. 89 00:09:06,511 --> 00:09:11,896 The fact is salmon must spend part of their life out in the wild. 90 00:09:11,930 --> 00:09:16,694 And it wasn't until, in the seventies, that we really started evaluating 91 00:09:16,728 --> 00:09:19,593 what are we doing when we release hatchery fish into a stream? 92 00:09:23,045 --> 00:09:28,637 The use of hatcheries was a promise that you could have salmon 93 00:09:29,396 --> 00:09:32,468 and you could also have the benefits of developing the river. 94 00:09:34,712 --> 00:09:36,990 Put that next to the fact 95 00:09:37,024 --> 00:09:40,925 that 40% of the salmon are extinct in their historic range 96 00:09:40,959 --> 00:09:44,825 and the rest are protected by the Endangered Species Act, 97 00:09:45,481 --> 00:09:48,588 you would have to say that that story 98 00:09:48,622 --> 00:09:51,798 didn't protect the things that we value, the salmon. 99 00:09:54,283 --> 00:09:57,355 We've been relying on those same runs of fish, 100 00:09:57,389 --> 00:10:01,221 those wild fish, since the beginning of time. 101 00:10:01,255 --> 00:10:05,812 When your health is their health, right, you're married in that way, 102 00:10:05,846 --> 00:10:08,608 and I think that union creates the sacredness. 103 00:10:09,022 --> 00:10:13,613 To have that relationship with a single species is real special. 104 00:10:15,373 --> 00:10:18,134 You think about the Sioux people and the buffalo back in the day 105 00:10:18,169 --> 00:10:20,171 before everything was colonized. 106 00:10:21,344 --> 00:10:24,900 But that relationship, unfortunately, was severed. 107 00:10:25,797 --> 00:10:28,973 If we let these runs go, then they are gone, 108 00:10:29,007 --> 00:10:34,392 and I do not think that we, as people who are on this planet now, 109 00:10:34,426 --> 00:10:40,156 should be OK with allowing salmon to go extinct on our watch. 110 00:10:48,786 --> 00:10:52,065 The average person, when they see a salmon, 111 00:10:52,099 --> 00:10:54,895 they see a salmon, they see a finished product. 112 00:10:54,930 --> 00:10:57,242 And it's perhaps at the end of their fishing line, 113 00:10:57,277 --> 00:11:00,176 perhaps in a restaurant on their plate, 114 00:11:00,211 --> 00:11:02,696 but they don't see the complexity of things 115 00:11:02,731 --> 00:11:04,664 that went into making that salmon. 116 00:11:13,534 --> 00:11:17,711 Salmon, I think, have the most complicated, 117 00:11:17,746 --> 00:11:23,475 you could also say wondrous life histories of, I guess, any fish. 118 00:11:26,927 --> 00:11:31,656 They start life by hatching from eggs in a stream. 119 00:11:33,278 --> 00:11:35,211 And then they go out to the ocean. 120 00:11:35,246 --> 00:11:37,041 When they come back, they're much, much bigger. 121 00:11:39,043 --> 00:11:43,633 You're distilling the richness of the ocean 122 00:11:43,668 --> 00:11:47,085 and enlivening it. 123 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:53,436 And then that enlivened distillation of the ocean propels itself 124 00:11:53,471 --> 00:11:55,749 upstream against gravity. 125 00:11:55,784 --> 00:12:00,823 Sometimes they go well over a thousand miles inland, 126 00:12:00,858 --> 00:12:05,863 where, after laying eggs and creating the potential for a new generation, 127 00:12:05,897 --> 00:12:07,381 they die. 128 00:12:07,899 --> 00:12:13,284 And their carcasses feed dozens of kinds of animals, 129 00:12:13,318 --> 00:12:15,631 get dragged deep into the woods. 130 00:12:16,528 --> 00:12:21,119 The life cycle of the salmon is actually the transformation of the ocean 131 00:12:21,154 --> 00:12:23,639 into living beings that come ashore 132 00:12:23,673 --> 00:12:26,504 and become the biggest trees in the world. 133 00:12:36,238 --> 00:12:39,517 Wild salmon represent something that is really important 134 00:12:39,551 --> 00:12:41,519 to us as human beings. 135 00:12:42,347 --> 00:12:44,798 You have Native American cultures here 136 00:12:44,833 --> 00:12:48,664 that have evolved with the fish for 11,000 years. 137 00:12:49,251 --> 00:12:52,426 You have, you know, families like mine 138 00:12:52,461 --> 00:12:55,395 that fish for salmon and eat salmon 139 00:12:55,429 --> 00:12:56,776 and think about salmon. 140 00:12:57,259 --> 00:13:01,539 And then I think because this is the age of human impact, 141 00:13:01,573 --> 00:13:02,920 that where there are wild salmon, 142 00:13:02,954 --> 00:13:06,061 I think it represents our faith in Mother Nature 143 00:13:06,095 --> 00:13:07,787 that we allowed that to happen. 144 00:13:24,217 --> 00:13:25,701 I was born to fish. 145 00:13:28,186 --> 00:13:32,501 All of my earliest memories revolve around fish in some way or another. 146 00:13:36,125 --> 00:13:40,026 As a young adult, I built my whole calendar year 147 00:13:40,060 --> 00:13:43,201 around the Skykomish spring fishery for wild steelhead. 148 00:13:44,962 --> 00:13:47,965 And that really became my obsession. 149 00:13:50,933 --> 00:13:54,868 I thought of hatcheries as something that actually kind of helped us as fishermen, 150 00:13:55,248 --> 00:13:57,422 that there would be more fish in the river 151 00:13:57,457 --> 00:14:01,219 and we were allowed to kill the hatchery fish, so that meant a meal. 152 00:14:02,634 --> 00:14:07,432 I don't think I ever had one second where I thought about conservation at all. 153 00:14:07,467 --> 00:14:10,263 I thought about getting enough money for gas and pizza 154 00:14:10,297 --> 00:14:12,230 so that I could fish all the time. 155 00:14:13,404 --> 00:14:19,099 What I didn't realize was that we were really at the tail end 156 00:14:19,134 --> 00:14:21,826 of a long decline of wild fish. 157 00:14:24,864 --> 00:14:30,110 In late 2000, they announced that the 2001 season would not happen, 158 00:14:30,145 --> 00:14:34,045 that the state was going to close down that spring catch-and-release fishery 159 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,634 because there were so few wild steelhead fish 160 00:14:36,668 --> 00:14:40,983 that even a low-impact fishing season could wipe out the last of them. 161 00:14:42,088 --> 00:14:44,469 It was really like a gut punch. 162 00:14:44,504 --> 00:14:48,163 I mean, I had built this whole life around this fishery and now it's gone. 163 00:14:50,061 --> 00:14:52,719 So that was, in a lot of ways, a wakeup call. 164 00:14:52,753 --> 00:14:55,411 I started doing some research, started reading, 165 00:14:55,446 --> 00:14:56,447 started talking to people. 166 00:14:58,138 --> 00:15:00,830 Talked to biologists, talked to fish managers, 167 00:15:00,865 --> 00:15:04,213 talked to other fishermen, and I learned about the four H's: 168 00:15:04,248 --> 00:15:07,699 hydro, harvest, habitat, and hatcheries. 169 00:15:07,734 --> 00:15:12,221 This was sort of kind of the impacts on salmon and steelhead people talked about. 170 00:15:13,636 --> 00:15:17,364 And so I used that as a guideline and I started thinking about the Skykomish, 171 00:15:17,399 --> 00:15:21,437 and, you know, well, the habitat hadn't really changed over those ten years, 172 00:15:21,472 --> 00:15:22,645 it was pretty good. 173 00:15:23,025 --> 00:15:25,476 There is no hydro, there's no dams. 174 00:15:25,821 --> 00:15:29,169 The harvest, as far as I could tell, had remained relatively constant, 175 00:15:29,204 --> 00:15:31,137 and yet we had this plummeting number of fish. 176 00:15:32,552 --> 00:15:35,693 And so the one constant that I found 177 00:15:35,727 --> 00:15:39,317 is that a hatchery had been operating 178 00:15:39,352 --> 00:15:44,046 for the entire duration of the decline of wild steelhead. 179 00:15:46,531 --> 00:15:50,984 I think that was what started kind of my focus on learning more 180 00:15:51,019 --> 00:15:56,990 about the role that hatcheries play in the decline of... 181 00:15:57,025 --> 00:16:00,649 not just fishing opportunities but of wild fish populations, period. 182 00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:12,937 When the dams came down on the Elwha, 183 00:16:12,972 --> 00:16:15,077 it was the largest river restoration in history. 184 00:16:19,875 --> 00:16:24,017 We spent more than $320 million to recover wild salmon. 185 00:16:24,328 --> 00:16:27,710 But instead of letting them recolonize the river naturally, 186 00:16:27,745 --> 00:16:30,196 the way they've evolved to do for millions of years, 187 00:16:30,230 --> 00:16:33,820 we spent $17 million to build a brand-new hatchery. 188 00:16:34,579 --> 00:16:37,858 So now we're operating not just one but two hatcheries 189 00:16:37,893 --> 00:16:41,000 on a river that was restored for the benefit of wild salmon. 190 00:16:41,931 --> 00:16:45,521 And we missed this huge opportunity to allow the river to return 191 00:16:45,556 --> 00:16:47,006 to being truly wild. 192 00:17:01,779 --> 00:17:05,438 Coho 92-88. No mark, no tag. 193 00:17:05,472 --> 00:17:08,268 Coho 70-63. No mark, no tag. 194 00:17:08,303 --> 00:17:12,100 This is a team of interns and staff. 195 00:17:12,134 --> 00:17:14,930 They're collecting our long-term data on salmon use 196 00:17:14,964 --> 00:17:16,828 of the Elwha nearshore. 197 00:17:17,450 --> 00:17:20,418 We then take these data, compare them over the decade 198 00:17:20,453 --> 00:17:23,214 that we've been recording the information, 199 00:17:23,249 --> 00:17:27,080 and look at the evolution of the Elwha nearshore 200 00:17:27,115 --> 00:17:29,117 as the dam removal progresses. 201 00:17:31,671 --> 00:17:36,710 As wild fish now recruit into this nearshore area, 202 00:17:36,745 --> 00:17:39,368 we see these large numbers of hatchery fish. 203 00:17:43,407 --> 00:17:49,102 Our concern is that the hatchery species may be challenging the wild species 204 00:17:49,137 --> 00:17:50,586 that are trying to recover. 205 00:17:52,485 --> 00:17:55,419 They are vulnerable to these hatchery fish, 206 00:17:55,453 --> 00:17:58,284 either through predation or physical displacement 207 00:17:58,318 --> 00:18:00,941 or competition for resources. 208 00:18:04,324 --> 00:18:10,192 The risk is that we're actually stunting the river's ability to restore, 209 00:18:10,227 --> 00:18:13,851 because these fish that literally are the backbone can't restore 210 00:18:13,885 --> 00:18:18,027 because they're being pressured by these continued hatchery releases. 211 00:18:22,170 --> 00:18:25,828 I do think that humans by nature have an engineering aspect. 212 00:18:26,450 --> 00:18:29,177 They like things to be orderly, they like things to be predictable. 213 00:18:29,660 --> 00:18:32,525 So that's what hatcheries give people. 214 00:18:33,077 --> 00:18:37,771 The flip side of that is wild, and wilding your watershed. 215 00:18:38,807 --> 00:18:41,189 Chinook 152-146. 216 00:18:41,603 --> 00:18:46,332 Wilding does have great uncertainty to it. That's how wild works. 217 00:18:51,130 --> 00:18:55,064 Wild is scary, but it's a really important place in people's soul. 218 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,982 Did you guys see how we walked when we were walking up here 219 00:19:16,016 --> 00:19:19,192 and we were walking along the... the trees, 220 00:19:19,227 --> 00:19:21,539 so we could look back into these two redds here, 221 00:19:21,574 --> 00:19:23,334 where we know fish spawn. 222 00:19:24,646 --> 00:19:27,269 The males are the easiest to see, usually. 223 00:19:27,304 --> 00:19:29,202 So if there's males on there, 224 00:19:29,237 --> 00:19:31,618 more than likely there's going to be a female in there. 225 00:19:32,412 --> 00:19:36,761 And then we'll sit there and concentrate 'cause the females are really hard to see. 226 00:19:36,796 --> 00:19:38,798 They're like transparent half the time. 227 00:19:39,212 --> 00:19:40,317 She's moving up. 228 00:19:40,351 --> 00:19:43,078 She's straight between us. 229 00:19:43,112 --> 00:19:44,562 You can see the tail. 230 00:19:44,597 --> 00:19:46,219 Yep. Moving up. 231 00:19:46,771 --> 00:19:47,807 She's digging. 232 00:19:47,841 --> 00:19:49,222 Yeah, she's digging right there. 233 00:19:49,257 --> 00:19:50,637 It's going to be pretty deep. 234 00:20:42,033 --> 00:20:45,692 Typically, what we see in a female is about 4,500 eggs. 235 00:20:46,900 --> 00:20:49,109 Then we'll do the males now. 236 00:20:49,144 --> 00:20:52,699 We'll keep them separate, keep the milt separate from the eggs. 237 00:20:54,667 --> 00:20:57,290 Then after we're done, we check them for a coded wire tag. 238 00:21:02,330 --> 00:21:06,541 This is the part that has the coded wire tag embedded in the head. 239 00:21:06,575 --> 00:21:10,234 And that would have information on the fish. 240 00:21:16,551 --> 00:21:21,210 I know some people are going to view this as being brutal and barbaric, 241 00:21:21,245 --> 00:21:26,250 but this is what it takes to collect our group stock at the Elwha facility. 242 00:21:29,357 --> 00:21:33,050 It's a tool; we're a tool to help recover the stock. 243 00:21:37,986 --> 00:21:39,746 When we miss a female, 244 00:21:39,781 --> 00:21:44,061 we feel like we have failed the fish itself, 245 00:21:44,095 --> 00:21:46,719 because we know that those eggs aren't going to survive as well 246 00:21:46,753 --> 00:21:48,134 as it would at the hatchery. 247 00:21:53,312 --> 00:21:56,245 We brought the eggs in from the cooler. 248 00:21:56,591 --> 00:21:59,352 Lay the buckets on the floor and then 249 00:22:00,008 --> 00:22:02,838 divide the female for how many males we have. 250 00:22:03,391 --> 00:22:07,222 Put the milt in there. Mix it. Let it sit for 30 seconds. 251 00:22:07,256 --> 00:22:11,985 Mix them again, and then let them sit for another 30 seconds. 252 00:22:15,506 --> 00:22:20,097 Then we weigh down 13 pounds into a bucket. 253 00:22:20,131 --> 00:22:23,376 Let it drain all the ovarian fluid and milt. 254 00:22:23,790 --> 00:22:25,930 Put them in iodoform for an hour 255 00:22:25,965 --> 00:22:28,519 and then we'll lay them down till they eye. 256 00:22:30,279 --> 00:22:33,766 That's effectively artificial spawning at a hatchery. 257 00:22:43,534 --> 00:22:47,814 There's been a lot of effort over the last several decades 258 00:22:47,849 --> 00:22:54,303 cataloging all of the genetic variation in populations of salmon 259 00:22:54,338 --> 00:22:56,685 and their cousins, trout. 260 00:22:57,755 --> 00:23:02,450 Salmon have developed an incredible amount of diversity 261 00:23:02,484 --> 00:23:06,177 that allows them to be particularly successful 262 00:23:06,212 --> 00:23:08,628 in the stream in which they were born. 263 00:23:10,492 --> 00:23:13,909 A huge river system will have huge salmon. 264 00:23:14,462 --> 00:23:17,499 Some of them used to run up to 100 pounds 265 00:23:17,534 --> 00:23:21,089 in the biggest rivers that had the most challenging falls 266 00:23:21,123 --> 00:23:23,056 that they had to jump over. 267 00:23:23,091 --> 00:23:25,921 And then little coastal streams, they had mostly smaller ones, 268 00:23:25,956 --> 00:23:27,544 even though it was the same species, 269 00:23:27,578 --> 00:23:29,960 but they were genetically totally different. 270 00:23:30,339 --> 00:23:36,518 Even in one river, where you have one species of a certain size, 271 00:23:36,553 --> 00:23:41,385 you may have the fall run and the spring run of that species, 272 00:23:41,420 --> 00:23:43,352 and those fish are completely different. 273 00:23:43,387 --> 00:23:46,148 They don't interact or interbreed at all. 274 00:23:48,081 --> 00:23:52,672 We've been stocking salmon since the time of Darwin. 275 00:23:52,707 --> 00:23:57,608 When we first discovered how to take eggs and take milt 276 00:23:57,643 --> 00:24:00,956 and combine them, hatch fish, put them back into fresh water, 277 00:24:00,991 --> 00:24:04,028 we literally knew nothing of evolutionary ecology. 278 00:24:04,063 --> 00:24:06,030 We would have been flying blind. 279 00:24:06,824 --> 00:24:09,309 We now know that taking wild fish 280 00:24:09,344 --> 00:24:11,864 and exposing them to a hatchery environment, 281 00:24:11,898 --> 00:24:13,969 breeding them, hatching them, rearing them, 282 00:24:14,004 --> 00:24:17,456 for any amount of time, really, changes the genetic makeup. 283 00:24:17,663 --> 00:24:20,079 Fish are very complex critters 284 00:24:20,113 --> 00:24:24,773 that have evolved in Mother Nature over thousands of years, 285 00:24:24,808 --> 00:24:26,879 and there's things that happen in hatcheries 286 00:24:26,913 --> 00:24:29,122 that don't put them through those pressures 287 00:24:29,157 --> 00:24:32,954 that they face out in Mother Nature that makes them so they're a fit fish. 288 00:24:33,851 --> 00:24:37,545 What happens is you create a genetically inferior fish 289 00:24:37,579 --> 00:24:40,409 at the hatchery through all the domestication, 290 00:24:40,444 --> 00:24:43,309 and then those fish go spawn with fish in the wild, 291 00:24:43,343 --> 00:24:46,312 and that actually can degrade the genetics of the fish in the wild, 292 00:24:46,346 --> 00:24:48,487 so they're not as fit either. 293 00:24:48,521 --> 00:24:50,730 What we do with fish hatcheries 294 00:24:50,765 --> 00:24:52,905 is the same thing as growing a chicken. 295 00:24:53,561 --> 00:24:58,013 Economically it makes more sense to put a bazillion chickens in one place, 296 00:24:58,669 --> 00:25:02,052 and that produces a really inferior chicken. 297 00:25:03,225 --> 00:25:06,643 You know, if nature can produce X number of fish in a river, 298 00:25:06,677 --> 00:25:09,853 let's dump more young fish in there. 299 00:25:09,887 --> 00:25:11,717 And it's absolutely wrong. 300 00:25:12,821 --> 00:25:16,722 It's not increasing our number of wild fish. 301 00:25:16,756 --> 00:25:19,794 It's eventually going to extirpate all fish. 302 00:25:23,107 --> 00:25:27,077 Life diversifies in order to survive. 303 00:25:27,629 --> 00:25:29,804 And humans do the opposite: 304 00:25:29,838 --> 00:25:34,809 we simplify, in order to make things easier for ourselves. 305 00:25:35,292 --> 00:25:38,709 And by imposing simplification 306 00:25:39,054 --> 00:25:43,887 on a world that has taken millions of years to so wondrously diversify 307 00:25:43,921 --> 00:25:47,718 is a violent act on life itself. 308 00:26:24,375 --> 00:26:28,379 Well, the fish toss is, is that we take the fish that return to the hatchery, 309 00:26:28,414 --> 00:26:30,865 so these are all the fish that were raised in the hatchery. 310 00:26:31,244 --> 00:26:32,832 We have this tote of fish, 311 00:26:32,867 --> 00:26:35,490 and I think there's probably a couple hundred fish in each tote, 312 00:26:35,524 --> 00:26:38,873 and they get frozen to a solid block and we just drop them down 313 00:26:38,907 --> 00:26:41,807 and break them up and refreeze them so they don't stick together no more 314 00:26:41,841 --> 00:26:43,705 and prep them for all the school groups. 315 00:26:46,397 --> 00:26:47,502 There you go. 316 00:27:04,243 --> 00:27:06,417 Can you guys say good morning to Sheila and Emily? 317 00:27:06,452 --> 00:27:08,212 Good morning. 318 00:27:08,247 --> 00:27:11,560 We talked about the five reasons why we're doing this a little bit ago. 319 00:27:11,595 --> 00:27:13,666 Does anybody remember those? Yeah. 320 00:27:13,701 --> 00:27:14,874 The trees. 321 00:27:14,909 --> 00:27:16,738 The trees. What about the trees? 322 00:27:16,773 --> 00:27:18,257 The trees need the nutrients. 323 00:27:18,291 --> 00:27:19,189 The nutrients, right? 324 00:27:20,604 --> 00:27:22,710 We partner with the Nisqually Indian tribe, 325 00:27:22,744 --> 00:27:25,436 who provides the carcasses from their hatchery program, 326 00:27:25,471 --> 00:27:27,335 which used to be considered a waste product. 327 00:27:28,405 --> 00:27:30,269 They're actually full of marine-derived nutrients, 328 00:27:30,303 --> 00:27:32,996 because when they leave the river system, they're about yea big. 329 00:27:33,030 --> 00:27:36,689 When they come back, they're just carrying so much goodness from the ocean. 330 00:27:37,069 --> 00:27:39,416 So we teach this concept to the students. 331 00:27:39,450 --> 00:27:42,246 The chinook and steelhead in this watershed are threatened species, 332 00:27:42,281 --> 00:27:44,904 so we inspire them to take action by getting these carcasses 333 00:27:44,939 --> 00:27:47,735 back into the upper watershed, which is actually very nutrient poor. 334 00:28:16,349 --> 00:28:18,351 -Can I get something? -This one's cool. 335 00:28:20,353 --> 00:28:22,562 What about this? Is that a big one or little one? 336 00:28:22,597 --> 00:28:24,047 I'll just get this one. 337 00:28:24,081 --> 00:28:25,842 OK, let me get the tail. It's been severed, OK? 338 00:28:30,053 --> 00:28:34,851 Salmon, I think they are very important for the ecosystem. 339 00:28:34,885 --> 00:28:37,646 Many animals eat them. 340 00:28:37,681 --> 00:28:41,754 Well, 138 vertebrae animals eat the salmon, specifically. 341 00:28:43,031 --> 00:28:46,759 I like the salmon-tossing idea, I think it's a good help. 342 00:28:46,794 --> 00:28:49,935 But, at the same time, I don't think it's the best idea. 343 00:28:51,177 --> 00:28:54,940 The ecosystem runs a specific way for a specific reason. 344 00:28:54,974 --> 00:28:58,702 We can try and help them by reducing pollution, 345 00:28:58,737 --> 00:29:03,811 but I don't think that we should directly interact with the salmon wildlife 346 00:29:03,845 --> 00:29:06,123 and all that wildlife 347 00:29:06,158 --> 00:29:10,921 and let them run by themselves and make their own adaptations. 348 00:29:19,827 --> 00:29:22,899 The conversation is, are there any wild salmon left? 349 00:29:23,451 --> 00:29:25,177 Show me a wild salmon, 350 00:29:25,211 --> 00:29:28,559 show me, you know, an abundant number coming back of wild salmon, 351 00:29:28,594 --> 00:29:31,424 and we just don't see it here in the Nisqually. 352 00:29:32,736 --> 00:29:36,775 As much as I'd rather have wild salmon, our hatchery salmon are important 353 00:29:36,809 --> 00:29:40,123 to us continuing our culture and our traditions. 354 00:29:40,157 --> 00:29:42,332 You know, for us, this is our church. 355 00:29:42,366 --> 00:29:44,713 You know, this is our medicine here, being on this river, 356 00:29:44,748 --> 00:29:47,475 and I think people have a hard time understanding that, 357 00:29:47,509 --> 00:29:51,651 because this is what our ancestors did since the beginning of time. 358 00:29:51,686 --> 00:29:54,309 You know, they fished, they hunted, they gathered. 359 00:29:54,344 --> 00:29:58,037 They protected what we have, and that's how we lived, 360 00:29:58,072 --> 00:30:02,317 and now we're in 2018, our salmon are depleting. 361 00:30:04,354 --> 00:30:06,287 These are the raceways I was telling you about. 362 00:30:06,321 --> 00:30:08,220 Three hundred thousand in each one. 363 00:30:08,910 --> 00:30:10,118 Yeah, ten. 364 00:30:10,981 --> 00:30:12,914 So that's a lot of fish. 365 00:30:13,984 --> 00:30:16,262 He's going right now, pulling all the dead ones out. 366 00:30:18,161 --> 00:30:20,819 We're managers as Native American people. 367 00:30:20,853 --> 00:30:24,029 That's what we do when we manage, but we also have to adapt to the times. 368 00:30:42,150 --> 00:30:45,809 People have a tendency to get enamored with what they wish was 369 00:30:45,844 --> 00:30:47,604 instead of what is. 370 00:30:48,847 --> 00:30:50,883 There's a certain segment of the people of this area 371 00:30:50,918 --> 00:30:54,542 that want to blame hatchery fish for the decline of wild fish. 372 00:30:56,233 --> 00:30:58,235 The biggest problem is too many people. 373 00:30:58,270 --> 00:31:01,169 And salmon and humans don't coexist real well. 374 00:31:02,101 --> 00:31:05,484 We're going to build our houses along the rivers you need, 375 00:31:05,518 --> 00:31:07,658 we're going to build our towns in the estuaries you need, 376 00:31:07,693 --> 00:31:10,558 we're going to log the forests you need. 377 00:31:10,592 --> 00:31:13,526 We're going to take our drinking water out of the river you need. 378 00:31:13,561 --> 00:31:14,907 We made that deal a long time ago. 379 00:31:14,942 --> 00:31:16,771 We made the compromise already, 380 00:31:16,805 --> 00:31:19,187 and by saying that you don't need hatcheries 381 00:31:19,222 --> 00:31:21,569 to provide some sort of fishable abundance, 382 00:31:21,603 --> 00:31:23,674 you're saying you're going back on that deal. 383 00:31:31,751 --> 00:31:33,822 There's a lot of runs in the northwest right now 384 00:31:33,857 --> 00:31:36,101 that if it wasn't for hatchery fish, they'd be extinct, 385 00:31:36,135 --> 00:31:38,689 because their progeny are hatchery fish. 386 00:31:39,587 --> 00:31:43,211 Where those fish have blinked out, they use hatchery fish to bring them back. 387 00:31:49,873 --> 00:31:53,912 I would like to see us make hatchery fish as much like wild fish as possible. 388 00:31:53,946 --> 00:31:57,501 I'd like to see us make them do as little harm to wild fish as possible, 389 00:31:57,536 --> 00:32:00,435 and I'd like to replace habitat, replace culverts, 390 00:32:00,470 --> 00:32:05,337 do everything you can to reduce the human footprint on salmon habitat 391 00:32:05,371 --> 00:32:08,857 and make sure that hatchery and wild fish both are here forever. 392 00:32:18,488 --> 00:32:22,423 It kind of offends me when people say that I don't care about their habitat 393 00:32:22,457 --> 00:32:24,459 or I don't care about conserving them. 394 00:32:25,115 --> 00:32:28,291 Hunters and fishermen and sportsmen 395 00:32:28,325 --> 00:32:33,158 have always been at the front of conservation and habitat reforms. 396 00:32:33,537 --> 00:32:35,815 If there's a problem, we notice it 397 00:32:36,368 --> 00:32:39,612 and we like to address it, not just whine about it. 398 00:32:50,037 --> 00:32:54,041 The reason that I'm involved in conservation efforts, when I was younger, 399 00:32:54,075 --> 00:32:56,457 is because I was hoping I'd see a result. 400 00:32:56,491 --> 00:33:00,012 But as I get older, I'm starting to think that's less and less likely 401 00:33:00,047 --> 00:33:03,257 because again we don't seem to, as a society, 402 00:33:03,291 --> 00:33:05,224 be willing to address the real issues. 403 00:33:06,743 --> 00:33:08,676 Nature's gone. 404 00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:12,300 You're viewing this through some Disneyland idea 405 00:33:12,335 --> 00:33:16,477 that we can still do all this bad stuff and recover salmon. 406 00:33:18,513 --> 00:33:19,790 Nope. 407 00:33:33,183 --> 00:33:35,254 The southern resident killer whale population 408 00:33:35,289 --> 00:33:40,570 that I've been studying for 42 years began a serious decline around 1995. 409 00:33:42,330 --> 00:33:43,918 There was almost a hundred whales. 410 00:33:45,368 --> 00:33:47,301 But we're down to 74 right now. 411 00:33:51,305 --> 00:33:54,653 Salmon and orcas are just predator-prey. They're like that. 412 00:33:54,687 --> 00:33:59,520 If you have a decline in the food, you have a decline in the whales. 413 00:34:00,555 --> 00:34:04,456 Most of those fish right now are hatchery produced 414 00:34:04,490 --> 00:34:08,046 and they're getting smaller and smaller every year. 415 00:34:09,944 --> 00:34:15,087 They averaged 22 pounds, and now they're averaging 8 and 10 pounds. 416 00:34:15,846 --> 00:34:21,473 The wild runs are being exterminated by the hatchery production. 417 00:34:22,508 --> 00:34:26,167 And the whales will follow the wild fish to extinction. 418 00:34:31,345 --> 00:34:36,522 The icon of the northwest is starving. 419 00:34:36,557 --> 00:34:39,491 A mother orca whose calf died after birth 420 00:34:39,525 --> 00:34:43,115 is still carrying her baby 17 days later. 421 00:34:43,150 --> 00:34:46,808 Researchers say that they're now concerned for the mother's health. 422 00:34:46,843 --> 00:34:48,879 We had this whale coming in. 423 00:34:49,294 --> 00:34:51,882 Had a brand-new baby; one of our colleagues saw it, 424 00:34:51,917 --> 00:34:53,574 took a picture of her, 425 00:34:53,608 --> 00:34:58,061 and by the time our boat got there 30 minutes later, she was dead. 426 00:34:59,752 --> 00:35:02,824 And the mother started pushing the dead calf around. 427 00:35:04,792 --> 00:35:07,691 OK, toward her, toward her. Go ahead. 428 00:35:07,726 --> 00:35:09,245 And baby in mouth. Yes. 429 00:35:10,763 --> 00:35:11,799 There it was. 430 00:35:11,833 --> 00:35:13,766 Yeah. See if she does it again. 431 00:35:15,699 --> 00:35:16,493 Yeah. 432 00:35:18,495 --> 00:35:22,430 Well, she pushed this dead baby for 17 days. 433 00:35:24,915 --> 00:35:30,093 You know, it was a tour of grief that went on and on and on. 434 00:35:31,198 --> 00:35:32,716 We want to welcome you 435 00:35:32,751 --> 00:35:38,136 to our last task force meeting for this year. 436 00:35:38,170 --> 00:35:40,448 Governor Inslee convened this task force 437 00:35:40,483 --> 00:35:43,451 to save the southern resident killer whales. 438 00:35:44,694 --> 00:35:49,388 The easy fix that our own Washington State Department of Fish and Wildlife says, 439 00:35:49,423 --> 00:35:53,737 "Oh, well, we'll just increase hatchery production by 50 million fish." 440 00:35:53,772 --> 00:35:55,325 Well, wait a minute. 441 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,258 Why don't you look at what's happened with hatchery production 442 00:35:57,293 --> 00:35:59,778 and see that it's not working? 443 00:35:59,812 --> 00:36:02,194 And you want to do more of what doesn't work? 444 00:36:04,507 --> 00:36:09,857 Nobody wanted to hear "stop fishing." That was almost untouchable. 445 00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:14,896 It wasn't about whale or fish requirements. 446 00:36:16,139 --> 00:36:17,727 It was all about commerce. 447 00:36:21,662 --> 00:36:24,182 Everybody wants to save the whales. 448 00:36:24,216 --> 00:36:26,736 Nobody wants to change our own way of life. 449 00:36:29,290 --> 00:36:32,949 It's a very difficult choice for our society 450 00:36:32,983 --> 00:36:35,883 to look at what we're doing, 451 00:36:35,917 --> 00:36:39,231 what we have done over the years in terms of fisheries management, 452 00:36:39,266 --> 00:36:42,269 and change the paradigm. 453 00:36:45,272 --> 00:36:50,104 I didn't realize until about a month had passed 454 00:36:50,138 --> 00:36:51,899 how depressed I was. 455 00:36:53,866 --> 00:36:58,664 I'm seeing all this before my very eyes and documenting it. 456 00:36:58,699 --> 00:37:02,323 And that's the part that is troubling to me, is that, uh... 457 00:37:03,738 --> 00:37:06,603 I'm going to be in charge of keeping track 458 00:37:06,638 --> 00:37:10,814 of the extinction of these animals. 459 00:37:12,195 --> 00:37:17,027 But if it's a lesson to our society, that, hey, we've got to change, 460 00:37:18,408 --> 00:37:20,445 maybe that's what I have to do. 461 00:37:21,963 --> 00:37:24,897 We're going to die of a loneliness of spirit, 462 00:37:24,932 --> 00:37:27,417 with all the creatures gone. 463 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,113 Every year, Idaho Power partners with other biologists 464 00:37:34,148 --> 00:37:37,634 to raise and release 6.8 million chinook and steelhead. 465 00:37:37,669 --> 00:37:41,155 The next generation of fish needs next generation ideas. 466 00:37:41,189 --> 00:37:44,641 Our innovative approach maintains abundant fish populations, 467 00:37:44,676 --> 00:37:47,610 giving anglers a chance to land brag-worthy steelhead. 468 00:37:48,162 --> 00:37:49,543 Fish on. 469 00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:55,514 Hatcheries are pawns in a game of political power. 470 00:37:56,135 --> 00:37:58,517 The whole thing is about money. 471 00:37:58,552 --> 00:38:01,486 Fishing is a huge industry 472 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,041 and every state is competing with each other for those dollars. 473 00:38:06,076 --> 00:38:10,011 It's not about conserving our resources, it's perverting our resources 474 00:38:10,046 --> 00:38:13,636 on a short-term bet to get tourist dollars in. 475 00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:17,260 In fact, federal dollars to support fish-and-wildlife agencies 476 00:38:17,295 --> 00:38:20,194 is based on how many license sales there are in each of those states. 477 00:38:21,195 --> 00:38:24,750 The internal finances is that it provides power and wealth 478 00:38:24,785 --> 00:38:26,890 to the agencies themselves. 479 00:38:28,167 --> 00:38:31,895 To build a new hatchery, it's millions and millions of dollars 480 00:38:31,930 --> 00:38:35,105 of high extensive automated piping and flow systems, 481 00:38:35,140 --> 00:38:39,662 so you have lots of temperature control on lots of different fish-rearing stations 482 00:38:39,696 --> 00:38:42,561 so that you can raise different species up to different sizes 483 00:38:42,596 --> 00:38:44,701 and maximize production. 484 00:38:45,530 --> 00:38:48,015 We've got the water costs, electrical costs, 485 00:38:48,049 --> 00:38:49,810 building maintenance costs 486 00:38:49,844 --> 00:38:53,192 and just the feeding costs for the fish, 487 00:38:53,227 --> 00:38:56,782 so we're looking at plus-or-minus $20 million 488 00:38:56,817 --> 00:38:59,992 in assorted costs throughout a year. 489 00:39:00,027 --> 00:39:03,513 It's a major business and there's portions of that business 490 00:39:03,548 --> 00:39:08,725 that 20-plus employees are doing year round. 491 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,694 Hatcheries are a perfect example of political pork. 492 00:39:12,591 --> 00:39:15,180 They spread the hatcheries around their state. 493 00:39:15,214 --> 00:39:17,078 They're in almost every county of the state. 494 00:39:17,113 --> 00:39:20,944 They target them on key members of the state senate 495 00:39:20,979 --> 00:39:22,774 and the state legislature. 496 00:39:22,808 --> 00:39:25,915 As a result, they buy the support of that local person. 497 00:39:28,055 --> 00:39:31,921 These hatcheries are a subsidy to commercial fishermen, 498 00:39:31,955 --> 00:39:35,545 recreational fishermen, and it's being paid for 499 00:39:35,580 --> 00:39:37,823 by all the taxpayers. 500 00:39:37,858 --> 00:39:40,274 I think one of the main reasons why it's important 501 00:39:40,308 --> 00:39:42,034 that people understand what's going on 502 00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:44,623 is just purely the waste of their money that's happening. 503 00:39:46,729 --> 00:39:49,594 In Washington state alone, there are 174 hatcheries 504 00:39:49,628 --> 00:39:52,804 producing more than 190 million salmon every year. 505 00:39:53,425 --> 00:39:58,119 On the west coast, over 90% of the "wild-caught salmon" 506 00:39:58,154 --> 00:40:00,743 you find in markets actually came from hatcheries. 507 00:40:01,468 --> 00:40:04,263 Between California, Oregon, Washington and Idaho, 508 00:40:04,298 --> 00:40:08,751 citizens pay for the release of almost 280 million fish per year. 509 00:40:09,407 --> 00:40:13,100 Last year, between the United States, Canada, Russia, Korea, and Japan, 510 00:40:13,134 --> 00:40:16,759 five billion salmon were released into the North Pacific. 511 00:40:18,001 --> 00:40:19,865 When I wrote my first book, 512 00:40:19,900 --> 00:40:23,041 the Bonneville Power Administration 513 00:40:23,075 --> 00:40:28,702 was spending about $140 million or $150 million 514 00:40:28,736 --> 00:40:30,531 on their program. 515 00:40:30,566 --> 00:40:33,810 Since 1982, they've spent 15 billion. 516 00:40:34,673 --> 00:40:37,435 The General Accounting Office 517 00:40:38,332 --> 00:40:43,958 did a survey and they showed that hatcheries consumed 40% of that. 518 00:40:43,993 --> 00:40:46,167 The big question is, 519 00:40:46,513 --> 00:40:51,621 who pays for the raising of the fish and who gets the benefits? 520 00:40:51,966 --> 00:40:57,455 Fish that go out of the Columbia River circle around Alaska, 521 00:40:57,489 --> 00:41:00,596 some fish even as far as Russia. 522 00:41:00,630 --> 00:41:04,979 Their survival rate goes down to .001 or so. 523 00:41:05,428 --> 00:41:10,468 Some of those fish, we figure, cost over a thousand dollars. 524 00:41:10,502 --> 00:41:15,162 The Entiat Hatchery on the upper Columbia was producing spring chinook salmon 525 00:41:15,196 --> 00:41:20,892 that were costing $68,031 per harvested fish. 526 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,139 State and federal agencies plant more than a hundred million rainbow trout 527 00:41:27,174 --> 00:41:29,590 in waters across the United States every year. 528 00:41:31,627 --> 00:41:33,767 In some of our most protected wilderness areas, 529 00:41:33,801 --> 00:41:35,251 places high in the mountains 530 00:41:35,285 --> 00:41:37,322 where you're not even allowed to ride a mountain bike 531 00:41:37,356 --> 00:41:38,703 or pick a wildflower... 532 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,811 taxpayers spend money every year to drop millions of non-native fish 533 00:41:43,846 --> 00:41:47,539 by airplane or helicopter, just so visitors have something to catch. 534 00:41:55,443 --> 00:41:59,551 Billions of dollars of citizen public money is spent 535 00:41:59,586 --> 00:42:02,520 to support something that clearly does not work. 536 00:42:03,106 --> 00:42:06,869 We're on a path to where there eventually will be no fish, 537 00:42:06,903 --> 00:42:09,492 and we will have spent billions of dollars to get to that point. 538 00:42:19,606 --> 00:42:22,470 The ironic thing is that fish know how to do all this. 539 00:42:23,368 --> 00:42:26,716 They know how to live in those environments, they know how to reproduce. 540 00:42:26,751 --> 00:42:29,926 So if we allow fish to get back to being fish 541 00:42:29,961 --> 00:42:33,067 and doing what they do in those environments, 542 00:42:33,102 --> 00:42:37,175 in pulling back some of our infrastructure, restoring streams, 543 00:42:37,209 --> 00:42:41,144 we reap the benefits free of charge. 544 00:42:59,093 --> 00:43:03,201 The concept in the earliest days of settlement in the west 545 00:43:03,235 --> 00:43:06,894 was that there was a God-given right to take from it what we could. 546 00:43:11,485 --> 00:43:14,177 Times change, needs change. 547 00:43:14,212 --> 00:43:17,974 Understanding of our place in the universe changes. 548 00:43:18,009 --> 00:43:20,839 And the world's becoming a smaller and more crowded place. 549 00:43:22,807 --> 00:43:27,466 But this understanding that we have to take care of the land, 550 00:43:27,501 --> 00:43:31,747 that it's not infinite, it won't continue to produce and provide for us 551 00:43:31,781 --> 00:43:35,371 unless we look at it and manage it responsibly, 552 00:43:35,405 --> 00:43:37,338 that is a relatively new concept. 553 00:43:40,065 --> 00:43:44,794 Managing our water resources is important in our agricultural pursuits, 554 00:43:44,829 --> 00:43:48,349 but also this water has tremendous values to this fishery. 555 00:43:48,971 --> 00:43:53,216 And this fishery is one of the great fisheries in the world, 556 00:43:53,251 --> 00:43:55,840 and our local economy is based on that. 557 00:43:56,392 --> 00:44:01,397 So for us to succeed, we need our community and our river systems 558 00:44:01,431 --> 00:44:03,502 to be as healthy as possible. 559 00:44:06,264 --> 00:44:10,233 Going back a ways, this is really the place in Montana 560 00:44:10,268 --> 00:44:13,547 where the concept of a wild fishery started. 561 00:44:13,581 --> 00:44:16,136 There were hatchery-raised fish that were put in here 562 00:44:16,170 --> 00:44:20,450 based on the idea that the more fish we had in the river, 563 00:44:20,485 --> 00:44:22,936 the more fish would be caught by fishermen, 564 00:44:22,970 --> 00:44:25,179 the better our economy would be. 565 00:44:26,042 --> 00:44:28,838 Then lo and behold, they discovered something very surprising. 566 00:44:31,323 --> 00:44:33,532 We were doing estimates now on the Madison, 567 00:44:33,567 --> 00:44:37,709 and we were seeing a lot of young brown trout in the lower river, 568 00:44:37,744 --> 00:44:39,711 but the next year they would be gone. 569 00:44:41,471 --> 00:44:43,266 One of the first things I kept seeing is 570 00:44:43,301 --> 00:44:45,406 we stocked the best waters. 571 00:44:45,717 --> 00:44:49,134 The waters that had the best fisheries 572 00:44:49,169 --> 00:44:51,171 were the ones where we were putting catchables. 573 00:44:52,413 --> 00:44:54,001 I proposed a study. 574 00:44:54,036 --> 00:44:56,555 Leave Norris alone, don't stock it. 575 00:44:56,590 --> 00:44:58,834 We'll take Varney, not stock it, 576 00:44:58,868 --> 00:45:02,078 and take O'Dell Creek, which has never been stocked. 577 00:45:02,113 --> 00:45:04,184 Let's stock it and see what happens. 578 00:45:06,048 --> 00:45:09,499 The first year that we didn't stock Varney, the upper river, 579 00:45:09,534 --> 00:45:11,709 the population of brown trout doubled. 580 00:45:12,364 --> 00:45:15,643 And, of course, when we stocked O'Dell Creek, 581 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,715 the population halved. 582 00:45:18,992 --> 00:45:20,994 We didn't know we were doing damage. 583 00:45:21,339 --> 00:45:24,756 We figured, well, there's two out there and we put two more in, 584 00:45:24,791 --> 00:45:27,138 we've got four fish now and that's better than two fish. 585 00:45:27,172 --> 00:45:30,520 Well, that's not the math that works in reality. 586 00:45:31,073 --> 00:45:36,078 Once that information became available through the Madison-O'Dell studies, 587 00:45:36,803 --> 00:45:40,565 that maybe our dollars were being lousily spent, 588 00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:44,431 in fact, we were destroying what we were trying to protect, 589 00:45:44,465 --> 00:45:48,297 well, they said any waters that had self-sustaining trout populations 590 00:45:48,331 --> 00:45:50,092 could not be stocked, period. 591 00:45:51,438 --> 00:45:53,233 And it came policy. 592 00:46:10,975 --> 00:46:13,598 Shortly after that program was initiated, 593 00:46:13,632 --> 00:46:18,154 you saw the population of this river just skyrocket with wild fish. 594 00:46:23,366 --> 00:46:27,819 We started our fly shop in 1979, a few years after the hatchery program 595 00:46:27,854 --> 00:46:30,477 was dissolved on the Madison River. 596 00:46:30,511 --> 00:46:34,170 And we were fortunate to catch that wave of a wild trout fishery. 597 00:46:35,965 --> 00:46:39,935 We saw an increase in the number of anglers that came to Montana, 598 00:46:39,969 --> 00:46:43,352 came to the Yellowstone area, and specifically southwest Montana, 599 00:46:43,386 --> 00:46:45,457 to experience those wild fisheries. 600 00:46:45,837 --> 00:46:51,049 And that's what really kicked in the fly-fishing businesses at that time. 601 00:46:56,261 --> 00:46:58,436 People are more attuned to a healthy river 602 00:46:58,470 --> 00:47:00,334 because they see what's happened here. 603 00:47:01,335 --> 00:47:04,580 They see the whole cascade of everything that benefits 604 00:47:04,614 --> 00:47:08,101 because of a wild trout fishery, including a local economy. 605 00:47:11,104 --> 00:47:13,796 The one thing that came out of this to me 606 00:47:13,831 --> 00:47:16,834 is the change in behavior of the humans 607 00:47:16,868 --> 00:47:20,561 when they saw that they weren't going to be given fish, 608 00:47:20,976 --> 00:47:22,909 that they become more vigilant. 609 00:47:24,186 --> 00:47:26,844 And habitat becomes more important 610 00:47:26,878 --> 00:47:28,949 when they realize that's how they get their fish. 611 00:47:45,379 --> 00:47:47,243 As most of you already know, 612 00:47:47,865 --> 00:47:51,178 we had a major eruption occurring at 8:32 approximately this morning 613 00:47:51,213 --> 00:47:53,215 on Mount St. Helens. 614 00:47:53,249 --> 00:47:56,770 It does appear that the northwest flank of the mountain seems to be gone. 615 00:47:58,841 --> 00:48:01,913 When Mount St. Helens erupted in 1981, 616 00:48:01,948 --> 00:48:05,399 there was a massive explosion that tore off about 1/3 of the top of the mountain. 617 00:48:05,986 --> 00:48:09,127 Most of that effluent went down the Toutle River Basin. 618 00:48:10,163 --> 00:48:12,751 Look at this, it doesn't even look like the same country. 619 00:48:12,786 --> 00:48:15,582 I can't believe I used to camp up in this area. 620 00:48:15,616 --> 00:48:17,756 This doesn't look like anyplace I've ever been before. 621 00:48:17,791 --> 00:48:22,037 The consequences at the river were startling. 622 00:48:23,038 --> 00:48:25,833 The upper canyon of Toutle was totally de-vegetated. 623 00:48:25,868 --> 00:48:28,906 There were chasms of volcanic effluent. 624 00:48:31,391 --> 00:48:34,083 Anything living in the stream was virtually destroyed. 625 00:48:39,192 --> 00:48:41,090 It brought back a sense of hopelessness. 626 00:48:41,125 --> 00:48:43,713 At that point, there was the feeling that evolution 627 00:48:43,748 --> 00:48:47,165 and recolonization of rivers may take tens of thousands of years. 628 00:48:50,686 --> 00:48:54,621 As a result, that meant that no more hatchery fish were put into it. 629 00:48:54,966 --> 00:48:57,279 What became evident in the Toutle River system 630 00:48:57,313 --> 00:49:01,076 is that the steelhead in particular came back above what they were 631 00:49:01,110 --> 00:49:03,837 prior to the eruption five years later. 632 00:49:04,286 --> 00:49:07,496 By seven years later, they more than doubled. 633 00:49:08,807 --> 00:49:12,225 So those first years at the Toutle River were a prime example 634 00:49:12,259 --> 00:49:15,228 of what wild fish can actually do 635 00:49:15,262 --> 00:49:19,232 in the most absolute adverse conditions, 636 00:49:19,266 --> 00:49:24,444 if they are not constrained by having to intermix with hatchery populations. 637 00:49:25,376 --> 00:49:29,967 Unfortunately, as the Toutle River began to show that it can produce fish, 638 00:49:30,001 --> 00:49:32,555 back we went to the hatchery programs again. 639 00:49:32,590 --> 00:49:35,800 Hatchery numbers went up, wild fish went down. 640 00:49:35,834 --> 00:49:37,112 Same old story. 641 00:49:39,217 --> 00:49:42,117 Loss of faith in nature is the problem. 642 00:49:42,358 --> 00:49:45,810 Nature knows how to make fish work. 643 00:49:46,811 --> 00:49:49,987 The best thing that we as human beings can do 644 00:49:50,021 --> 00:49:52,403 and that the salmon and steelhead ask of us... 645 00:49:52,817 --> 00:49:54,543 "Just get out of our way." 646 00:49:56,890 --> 00:50:01,170 Salmon famously have to fight their way upstream to spawn, 647 00:50:01,205 --> 00:50:04,484 but thanks to hydroelectric dams, that's become increasingly difficult. 648 00:50:04,518 --> 00:50:09,730 But don't worry, because as we found out recently, America is on it. 649 00:50:09,765 --> 00:50:11,560 I'm Ben Tracy in Washington state, 650 00:50:11,594 --> 00:50:13,251 where we're going to introduce you 651 00:50:13,286 --> 00:50:16,944 to a pretty sweet piece of technology known as the salmon cannon. 652 00:50:30,648 --> 00:50:34,100 In your darkest moments of despair, 653 00:50:34,134 --> 00:50:37,034 when you see a world torn apart by war, 654 00:50:37,068 --> 00:50:39,415 I want you to remember that video and think, 655 00:50:39,450 --> 00:50:41,555 "We can do great things." 656 00:50:41,590 --> 00:50:44,662 We can do great things! 657 00:50:49,667 --> 00:50:54,085 Humans believe we can do anything and everything all the time, 658 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:58,952 and that "can do" spirit has gotten us far and made a lot of changes in the world, 659 00:50:58,986 --> 00:51:01,886 certainly made a lot of us able to continue living 660 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,337 at gigantic population densities. 661 00:51:05,614 --> 00:51:09,031 But it has its limits, and we don't understand anything about those limits. 662 00:51:11,482 --> 00:51:14,209 An example of a good myth is Icarus. 663 00:51:14,243 --> 00:51:18,420 Icarus was a tinkerer and he wanted to free himself 664 00:51:18,454 --> 00:51:21,733 from the bounds of Earth and gravity, he wanted to fly. 665 00:51:22,458 --> 00:51:26,186 So he made wings, he made wings of wax. 666 00:51:26,945 --> 00:51:28,015 And he flew. 667 00:51:30,984 --> 00:51:35,713 Because he didn't sense any limits, he flew too close to the sun. 668 00:51:36,300 --> 00:51:40,545 The sun melted his wings and he came crashing down to earth. 669 00:51:41,857 --> 00:51:45,654 So the greater truth in that is, 670 00:51:45,688 --> 00:51:48,588 beware of hubris. 671 00:51:48,622 --> 00:51:51,177 Exercise some humility. 672 00:51:51,211 --> 00:51:54,387 And be careful when you're tinkering. 673 00:52:09,954 --> 00:52:11,852 I'm 55 years old now. 674 00:52:11,887 --> 00:52:14,441 I've been living with my salmon fishing all my life. 675 00:52:15,822 --> 00:52:17,651 I've tried to follow my heart. 676 00:52:17,996 --> 00:52:19,826 I mean, I'm not rich in money. 677 00:52:19,860 --> 00:52:23,830 But I've had 6,000 days on salmon rivers all around the world, 678 00:52:23,864 --> 00:52:26,108 which makes me rich in a different way. 679 00:52:29,767 --> 00:52:34,012 The salmon fishing in Norway is central to all the small towns 680 00:52:34,047 --> 00:52:36,946 that are located on the river, and in the old days, 681 00:52:36,981 --> 00:52:41,365 the salmon used to be the thing that was feeding the people. 682 00:52:41,848 --> 00:52:44,264 It's special, special to Norway. 683 00:52:44,678 --> 00:52:48,475 Now it's also special in the other way because the second biggest industry 684 00:52:48,510 --> 00:52:51,237 is this fish-farming thing that is now... 685 00:52:52,307 --> 00:52:56,000 it's threatening to kill what's the original fish. 686 00:53:02,006 --> 00:53:04,491 We were so stupid, I was so stupid, 687 00:53:04,526 --> 00:53:06,769 because when they started fish farming, I thought, 688 00:53:06,804 --> 00:53:09,324 "Hey, this is the solution to everything." 689 00:53:09,358 --> 00:53:12,361 We farm the fish and they don't have to kill our wild fish, 690 00:53:12,396 --> 00:53:14,674 they don't have to kill the fish I want to fish for, 691 00:53:14,708 --> 00:53:17,642 and the stocks will go up and all will be fantastic. 692 00:53:18,850 --> 00:53:22,854 In very short time, we learned that the sea lice 693 00:53:22,889 --> 00:53:26,099 were killing the wild smolt living in the river. 694 00:53:26,133 --> 00:53:28,101 Fewer fish were coming up. 695 00:53:28,895 --> 00:53:31,794 You know, they say that one of these farms out here, 696 00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:34,521 they produce as much shit than the whole town of Oslo, 697 00:53:34,556 --> 00:53:36,799 and they just leave it in the fjord. 698 00:53:36,834 --> 00:53:40,665 When it's polluted enough, you move to another location 699 00:53:40,700 --> 00:53:42,978 and you can pollute another place. 700 00:53:43,012 --> 00:53:48,673 Then there are more fish escaping from Norwegian fish farms 701 00:53:48,708 --> 00:53:51,642 than all the Norwegian wild salmon rivers produce. 702 00:53:51,676 --> 00:53:54,852 And they mix with the wild stock. 703 00:53:54,886 --> 00:53:58,752 And they destroy the unique DNA of the fish. 704 00:54:09,453 --> 00:54:13,180 Alta's got the biggest Atlantic salmon in the world. 705 00:54:13,215 --> 00:54:17,495 There are more 50-pounders caught here than anywhere else. 706 00:54:18,496 --> 00:54:22,707 There's quite a big difference on the river that I see today. 707 00:54:23,708 --> 00:54:28,403 The DNA on the Alta salmon is not like it was before. 708 00:54:29,611 --> 00:54:33,339 I see no difference between a fish farm and a hatchery fish. 709 00:54:34,098 --> 00:54:36,376 Because of gene pollution. 710 00:54:36,894 --> 00:54:41,416 You get escapees from these fish farms, sometimes millions of fish escape. 711 00:54:41,450 --> 00:54:46,144 And then they breed with wild fish, dumbing down the genes. 712 00:54:46,179 --> 00:54:48,561 We're reversing natural selection. 713 00:54:49,734 --> 00:54:51,564 We're devolving these fish. 714 00:54:56,603 --> 00:55:01,850 I really always wanted to see... see one of these farms. 715 00:55:06,579 --> 00:55:07,994 We got into our wetsuits... 716 00:55:10,376 --> 00:55:11,549 then we jumped into the sea. 717 00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:17,486 And we sneaked up to one of these farms. 718 00:55:23,112 --> 00:55:25,943 I knew I was going to see a lot of fish. 719 00:55:26,771 --> 00:55:29,843 But I didn't think it was going to be that bad. 720 00:55:31,051 --> 00:55:33,433 It was so full of sick fish. 721 00:55:34,192 --> 00:55:38,162 They had fungus. They looked like S's. 722 00:55:38,473 --> 00:55:42,269 There were wounds big as my hand. 723 00:55:43,823 --> 00:55:45,445 Nobody should eat this. 724 00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,518 You show this to the moms that want to feed their kids with this. 725 00:55:49,553 --> 00:55:52,866 They will never buy one of these fish. 726 00:55:52,901 --> 00:55:55,973 It was like, if you should walk into a farm 727 00:55:56,007 --> 00:56:01,047 where you have cows that would have big wounds bleeding 728 00:56:01,081 --> 00:56:05,396 and lying down, barely breathing. 729 00:56:05,431 --> 00:56:06,984 Who would eat that? 730 00:56:07,329 --> 00:56:11,989 No one, but these things are happening under the surface, you know? 731 00:56:12,023 --> 00:56:13,715 Nobody knows about this. 732 00:56:25,347 --> 00:56:30,387 The thing is, we lost one thing here and we lost respect for the ecosystem. 733 00:56:31,526 --> 00:56:34,045 We're the guys that should protect the rivers, 734 00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:38,049 protect them from all kinds of farms and hatcheries and all this. 735 00:56:39,948 --> 00:56:45,298 My responsibility is not to feed the people in the world, OK? 736 00:56:45,332 --> 00:56:47,300 If I have a responsibility, 737 00:56:47,334 --> 00:56:51,925 it is to say when I see things are wrong with what I like 738 00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,963 and what I love, and that's the rivers and salmon. 739 00:56:57,655 --> 00:57:00,002 Solution is there. 740 00:57:00,037 --> 00:57:04,317 And that is to get these into the closed tanks. 741 00:57:05,007 --> 00:57:08,977 If it will double the price of the salmon, it's worth it. 742 00:57:09,011 --> 00:57:12,049 What's the price of an ecosystem? What's its worth? 743 00:57:14,845 --> 00:57:16,847 Skagit 911. What is your emergency? 744 00:57:17,261 --> 00:57:19,919 My husband and I are on our boat in Eagle Harbor, 745 00:57:19,953 --> 00:57:23,336 and the middle fish pen is breaking apart. 746 00:57:24,026 --> 00:57:26,408 It's huge, and the whole thing is buckling. 747 00:57:26,443 --> 00:57:30,447 There's a forklift that looks like it's about ready to go in the water. 748 00:57:30,792 --> 00:57:32,483 Looks pretty dramatic to me. 749 00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:41,181 Well, what just happened was that there was a catastrophic failure. 750 00:57:42,148 --> 00:57:45,462 One of the net pens off of Cypress Island completely imploded. 751 00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,674 The fish that escaped are Atlantic salmon. 752 00:57:50,708 --> 00:57:52,158 They're not Pacific salmon. 753 00:57:52,538 --> 00:57:56,921 We're talking 305,000 exotic species 754 00:57:56,956 --> 00:57:59,752 are now polluting Puget Sound. 755 00:58:02,409 --> 00:58:04,653 These fish are going to be entering into our rivers, 756 00:58:04,688 --> 00:58:08,208 competing with our wild fish in the spawning grounds, 757 00:58:08,243 --> 00:58:10,210 competing with them for food, 758 00:58:10,245 --> 00:58:14,836 bringing diseases and parasites and viruses to these wild fish, 759 00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:16,285 and it's a disaster. 760 00:58:22,602 --> 00:58:25,571 When I heard that 300,000 Atlantic salmon escaped 761 00:58:25,605 --> 00:58:29,540 into the ocean environment, I immediately kind of dropped everything 762 00:58:29,575 --> 00:58:32,819 and knew that this was something that I needed to go and document, 763 00:58:32,854 --> 00:58:36,305 because I knew that no one else was getting the underwater side of things. 764 00:58:38,273 --> 00:58:39,274 Diver in! 765 00:58:45,798 --> 00:58:49,422 I didn't expect to see the level of destruction that I saw. 766 00:58:49,456 --> 00:58:53,702 Uh, the pens were totally split open and completely destroyed. 767 00:58:53,737 --> 00:58:56,429 There were holes all through them that the Atlantic salmon had escaped from. 768 00:58:56,463 --> 00:58:59,259 Then there was a few fish left, 769 00:58:59,812 --> 00:59:02,469 gasping, caught in the nets. 770 00:59:02,677 --> 00:59:05,921 But other than that, the fish were gone into the marine environment 771 00:59:05,956 --> 00:59:09,304 and clearly unaccounted for. 772 00:59:09,338 --> 00:59:12,549 Galactic Ice, Galactic Ice, Galactic Ice. 773 00:59:13,515 --> 00:59:17,623 We ask that you remove your diver from the water immediately. 774 00:59:17,657 --> 00:59:20,349 This is classified as trespassing. 775 00:59:20,798 --> 00:59:23,387 We suggest you please halt these operations. 776 00:59:23,663 --> 00:59:25,492 Cypress Fish Farm, over and out. 777 00:59:26,045 --> 00:59:28,426 It was an extremely charged scene. 778 00:59:28,461 --> 00:59:32,085 It seems like it's a big secret what's going on under there, 779 00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,432 and the last thing that these companies want 780 00:59:34,467 --> 00:59:36,780 is people to go under and actually see what's going on, 781 00:59:36,814 --> 00:59:39,506 because then these stories that they're telling the public, 782 00:59:39,541 --> 00:59:42,026 it's so easy to poke holes in them when you get footage 783 00:59:42,061 --> 00:59:44,304 of what's actually going on on the farms. 784 00:59:45,133 --> 00:59:47,791 The concept of an emergency response plan 785 00:59:48,377 --> 00:59:50,414 is, it's a bit humorous. 786 00:59:51,001 --> 00:59:54,625 It's basically, "Tell the commercial fishers and the recreational fishers 787 00:59:54,660 --> 00:59:57,628 to go out and fish because now we have more fish for you." 788 00:59:59,492 --> 01:00:03,047 It's like telling the people when the Exxon Valdez spilled... 789 01:00:03,669 --> 01:00:06,154 "Free oil! Go collect it!" 790 01:00:12,816 --> 01:00:16,509 Every single day, our public trust is being undermined 791 01:00:16,543 --> 01:00:20,513 by the pollution that these pens are putting into our sound, 792 01:00:20,547 --> 01:00:25,173 the viruses and parasites, pharmaceuticals that are going into our waters. 793 01:00:27,485 --> 01:00:32,214 The industrial model is to make as much money as you can 794 01:00:32,249 --> 01:00:36,529 as quickly as you can, regardless of the environmental consequences. 795 01:00:37,772 --> 01:00:40,671 What we're seeing today, what we've seen over the last couple of days, 796 01:00:40,706 --> 01:00:43,225 are those environmental consequences coming home. 797 01:00:48,023 --> 01:00:51,199 It turns out that Washington is the only west coast state 798 01:00:51,233 --> 01:00:55,272 that allows open-water net pen salmon farms. 799 01:00:56,100 --> 01:00:59,310 To me, it's really an outrage that this is even allowed. 800 01:01:06,732 --> 01:01:11,150 You know, I think anybody who's concerned with the state of the environment 801 01:01:11,184 --> 01:01:14,601 and our planet thinks about the future, and especially if you have children. 802 01:01:16,673 --> 01:01:20,193 You start to feel like, OK, what's the world going to be like for them? 803 01:01:21,885 --> 01:01:25,578 It feels really important to me that they participate 804 01:01:25,612 --> 01:01:28,098 in protecting their own future. 805 01:01:30,548 --> 01:01:34,242 We're so busy these days that to be unified on these things, 806 01:01:34,276 --> 01:01:38,073 whether it's fighting to make sure that there are salmon in the future 807 01:01:38,108 --> 01:01:43,596 or going out to catch fish, those become really precious times 808 01:01:43,630 --> 01:01:46,426 for a dad who's watching his kids grow up really fast. 809 01:02:05,860 --> 01:02:07,862 We thought we'd go out there with a few boats 810 01:02:07,896 --> 01:02:10,519 and wave some signs around and protest it. 811 01:02:12,176 --> 01:02:15,766 But it turned out that people from all walks of life 812 01:02:15,801 --> 01:02:20,771 that use the sound or enjoy living near a healthy sound, 813 01:02:20,806 --> 01:02:22,566 were also outraged. 814 01:02:24,085 --> 01:02:27,191 The Suquamish tribe was there to protest. 815 01:02:27,226 --> 01:02:30,781 There were commercial fishermen there. There was a whole fleet of kayaks. 816 01:02:30,816 --> 01:02:34,095 There was a lot of sport fishing boats. 817 01:02:34,129 --> 01:02:36,994 I mean, there was even a guy on a Jet Ski carrying a sign around. 818 01:02:45,244 --> 01:02:49,179 We spent the few days ahead of time making some signs to carry 819 01:02:49,213 --> 01:02:52,596 and laughed about sort of what we would say and what the slogans were. 820 01:02:53,183 --> 01:02:55,668 But underlying it all, I think the kids feel like 821 01:02:55,702 --> 01:02:59,741 they're able to participate in the things they care about. 822 01:03:00,846 --> 01:03:04,919 I think we made our point because now here we are months later, 823 01:03:04,953 --> 01:03:09,164 and there's actually three pieces of legislation that are pending 824 01:03:09,199 --> 01:03:11,235 affecting net pens. 825 01:03:11,718 --> 01:03:16,793 Wild salmon are threatened by these sorts of facilities. 826 01:03:16,827 --> 01:03:22,384 The day-in-day-out impacts to our magical, majestic Salish Sea 827 01:03:22,419 --> 01:03:24,662 cannot go unchecked. 828 01:03:25,802 --> 01:03:29,840 It is unconscionable that when we are spending tens and tens 829 01:03:29,875 --> 01:03:32,843 of millions of dollars to protect and recover wild salmon, 830 01:03:32,878 --> 01:03:38,159 we would allow an invasive species to be introduced to our ecosystem. 831 01:03:38,193 --> 01:03:41,438 Mr. President, there are 35 yea, 12 nay, 2 excused. 832 01:03:41,472 --> 01:03:44,717 Having received a constitutional majority, second substitute Senate bill 6086 833 01:03:44,751 --> 01:03:47,237 is declared passed; the title of the bill will be the title of the act. 834 01:04:24,930 --> 01:04:30,038 The Yurok belief is that we have been here since the beginning of time. 835 01:04:31,315 --> 01:04:36,907 At one point, this Earth was a lonely rock in the universe floating by itself 836 01:04:36,942 --> 01:04:39,910 and it began to get sad and its tears became the ocean 837 01:04:39,945 --> 01:04:42,568 and it finally came to be what we have today. 838 01:04:44,604 --> 01:04:47,814 The Wah-gay, the spirit people, started creating this world. 839 01:04:52,958 --> 01:04:55,822 And one of the things they had done was made a relationship 840 01:04:55,857 --> 01:04:58,239 between us and the salmon. 841 01:04:59,067 --> 01:05:02,277 And the salmon were put here so they could sustain us 842 01:05:02,312 --> 01:05:05,246 and that we would always have a food source 843 01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,973 and that way we'd always live and we would always be prosperous. 844 01:05:09,664 --> 01:05:15,221 We also have a story of, if we don't take care of this world 845 01:05:15,256 --> 01:05:16,947 and there are no more salmon, 846 01:05:16,982 --> 01:05:19,743 then there will be no more need for Yurok people. 847 01:05:24,023 --> 01:05:29,028 The 2002 fish kill was really like the canary in the coal mine. 848 01:05:29,753 --> 01:05:33,964 It was a low-water year, but ag got their water. 849 01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:40,419 If you divert that much water and flows get so low on the planet, 850 01:05:40,453 --> 01:05:43,008 you will have some kind of major fish disease outbreak. 851 01:05:44,388 --> 01:05:45,976 That's exactly what happened. 852 01:05:46,839 --> 01:05:51,844 Seventy thousand adult salmon died, all within the Klamath River. 853 01:05:51,878 --> 01:05:56,435 The dead fish were lining the banks, you know, three, four layers deep. 854 01:05:56,469 --> 01:05:59,921 And it smelled like death. 855 01:06:00,887 --> 01:06:05,064 In a wild river, nothing like that happens, right? 856 01:06:05,099 --> 01:06:07,618 That is not a natural thing. 857 01:06:11,415 --> 01:06:14,142 The future, if it goes unchanged, 858 01:06:14,177 --> 01:06:16,834 it is going to be the destruction of salmon species 859 01:06:16,869 --> 01:06:18,664 on the west coast of the United States. 860 01:06:25,498 --> 01:06:29,537 The tribe voted not to have a commercial salmon season this year 861 01:06:29,571 --> 01:06:31,366 because of the low projected numbers. 862 01:06:33,817 --> 01:06:37,994 And the subsistence amount was the lowest I think I've ever seen. 863 01:06:39,926 --> 01:06:44,586 Tribal members used to live almost solely on returning fish runs, 864 01:06:44,621 --> 01:06:48,038 and now this year we get less than one fish per person? 865 01:06:48,245 --> 01:06:52,387 How can you possibly look at that 866 01:06:52,422 --> 01:06:56,460 and not realize that there is a gigantic problem here? 867 01:07:03,433 --> 01:07:06,505 These reductions of the salmon runs, the big picture is, 868 01:07:06,539 --> 01:07:08,610 is they're affecting our health. 869 01:07:09,232 --> 01:07:12,614 We know those omega oils, those omega 3s and 6s in salmon 870 01:07:12,649 --> 01:07:14,271 are very heart healthy. 871 01:07:14,306 --> 01:07:17,999 That's why we have a lot of elders that live to ripe old ages. 872 01:07:18,034 --> 01:07:21,106 But the point is, is that, what's going to happen down the road? 873 01:07:21,140 --> 01:07:23,660 What's going to happen to our people? 874 01:07:25,696 --> 01:07:28,320 When your society, when your culture, when your belief 875 01:07:28,803 --> 01:07:32,358 is connected directly to the world around you, 876 01:07:32,393 --> 01:07:36,949 when you're raised with the sense that you are a part of everything 877 01:07:36,983 --> 01:07:39,986 in your surroundings and your natural environment, 878 01:07:40,642 --> 01:07:45,509 it does something to your community's psychology 879 01:07:45,992 --> 01:07:49,444 and mindset when you start to see 880 01:07:49,479 --> 01:07:53,379 that world crumble and break. 881 01:07:54,139 --> 01:07:58,971 As the decline of the salmon runs come back, 882 01:07:59,005 --> 01:08:02,837 you can see a direct correlation with the decline of us as a people. 883 01:08:04,735 --> 01:08:08,981 It's just a disruption of the whole sort of cycle of the tribe 884 01:08:09,015 --> 01:08:11,156 and what we do as a people... 885 01:08:12,502 --> 01:08:14,400 because that fishing isn't there. 886 01:08:14,435 --> 01:08:19,440 And I think when that happens, then all of us feel pain. 887 01:08:19,474 --> 01:08:21,235 You know, it's like we grieve for that. 888 01:08:23,168 --> 01:08:27,137 A lot of times when you're grieving or when you're hurting over something, 889 01:08:27,172 --> 01:08:28,897 you turn to drug and alcohol. 890 01:08:29,312 --> 01:08:32,660 And so we're seeing spikes in drug and alcohol rates. 891 01:08:32,694 --> 01:08:35,145 There's an opioid crisis on the reservation right now. 892 01:08:35,180 --> 01:08:38,355 There's a suicide crisis on the reservation right now. 893 01:08:38,666 --> 01:08:41,531 All of these things are connected, 894 01:08:41,565 --> 01:08:45,155 in part because when you take away the river, 895 01:08:45,190 --> 01:08:49,918 you take away the fishery, you take away that core component 896 01:08:49,953 --> 01:08:53,198 of who we are as a people and then it kind of falls apart, 897 01:08:53,232 --> 01:08:55,786 and people start getting in trouble. 898 01:08:55,821 --> 01:08:58,444 That's where we are now, and that's why you have 899 01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:02,621 all those other sort of issues arising in our community. 900 01:09:20,466 --> 01:09:21,536 Go, boy! 901 01:09:23,538 --> 01:09:25,747 The traditional game of sticks, 902 01:09:25,782 --> 01:09:30,856 it's actually one of the few pieces of Yurok culture that never went away. 903 01:09:33,238 --> 01:09:35,516 You have a stick and you have a tossle. 904 01:09:35,550 --> 01:09:39,071 Take the tossle and make it go through the goal, 905 01:09:39,105 --> 01:09:42,039 and you do that any way you can. 906 01:09:46,630 --> 01:09:50,255 Today we play of no hitting with the stick, 907 01:09:50,289 --> 01:09:53,396 no stabbing, no eye gouging and no choking. 908 01:09:53,430 --> 01:09:57,572 Other than that, everything is game and everything is fair to play. 909 01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:10,585 If you can take it, you can give it out a little bit, you get to play. 910 01:10:12,035 --> 01:10:14,417 It teaches those lessons in life, 911 01:10:14,451 --> 01:10:18,697 that it's important to Yurok to be tough, to be respectful, 912 01:10:19,767 --> 01:10:22,252 and to fight regardless of what the size difference is. 913 01:10:25,669 --> 01:10:29,086 I think it lends a lot to why, when we get into conflicts, 914 01:10:29,121 --> 01:10:32,400 or when we get into fights like the dam, 915 01:10:32,435 --> 01:10:37,371 we don't care who the biggest, richest man in the world who owns it, 916 01:10:37,405 --> 01:10:40,857 because we'll play up every day of the week. 917 01:10:40,891 --> 01:10:42,307 We don't care. 918 01:10:42,341 --> 01:10:46,207 Hey, hey, ho, ho, Klamath Dam's about to go! 919 01:10:46,242 --> 01:10:50,418 Hey, hey, ho, ho, Klamath Dam's about to go! 920 01:10:50,453 --> 01:10:54,388 Un-dam the Klamath! Bring the salmon home! 921 01:10:54,422 --> 01:10:58,564 Un-dam the Klamath! Bring the salmon home! 922 01:11:00,566 --> 01:11:04,329 We all kind of came back together and decided 923 01:11:04,363 --> 01:11:06,434 that this was one we were going to fight. 924 01:11:07,297 --> 01:11:11,819 The FERC license for the dams expired. 925 01:11:11,853 --> 01:11:16,064 There was this opportunity to pursue dam removal. 926 01:11:16,858 --> 01:11:19,930 And so that's where the fight went. 927 01:11:20,276 --> 01:11:22,347 Federal, state and local lawmakers 928 01:11:22,381 --> 01:11:25,177 has come up with a way to do what Congress could not: 929 01:11:25,211 --> 01:11:29,561 get the water and the fish in the Klamath River flowing freely again. 930 01:11:29,595 --> 01:11:31,321 We're starting to get it right 931 01:11:31,356 --> 01:11:33,427 after so many years of getting it wrong. 932 01:11:36,706 --> 01:11:40,261 This is the crown jewel of salmon country. 933 01:11:40,296 --> 01:11:41,849 This is it right here. 934 01:11:42,332 --> 01:11:45,093 The people want it to be wild. 935 01:11:45,128 --> 01:11:48,718 They want it to be what it was before the dams, 936 01:11:48,752 --> 01:11:53,170 before colonization, before agriculture. 937 01:11:55,794 --> 01:11:59,349 The work that the tribe is doing is to redirect the energy 938 01:11:59,384 --> 01:12:02,352 to a place where we're focusing on that comprehensive restoration 939 01:12:02,387 --> 01:12:04,354 to get the wild runs back, 940 01:12:04,389 --> 01:12:10,049 as opposed to agreeing to some kind of short-lived political compromise, 941 01:12:10,084 --> 01:12:13,812 like the hatchery ideas, that really just put Band-Aids 942 01:12:13,846 --> 01:12:16,332 on, you know, gaping wounds. 943 01:12:16,746 --> 01:12:19,265 The approach is, we're here forever, 944 01:12:19,300 --> 01:12:22,165 and we want those wild salmon to be here forever, 945 01:12:22,199 --> 01:12:24,926 and that's what we're planning for and that's what we're working on. 946 01:12:26,342 --> 01:12:28,136 Having a wild river, 947 01:12:28,171 --> 01:12:34,211 having the wild salmon, it puts the community back together 948 01:12:34,246 --> 01:12:36,421 and it gives them purpose 949 01:12:36,455 --> 01:12:41,909 and it allows us to fulfill that initial promise 950 01:12:41,943 --> 01:12:45,809 that we made to the Creator, right, about taking care of this river 951 01:12:45,844 --> 01:12:47,639 and living in a balance with us. 952 01:12:47,673 --> 01:12:51,125 And when you do that as a people, you feel good. 953 01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:55,025 That's like the ultimate self-determination, 954 01:12:55,060 --> 01:12:59,305 that's the ultimate sovereignty, is to be able to live in a way 955 01:12:59,340 --> 01:13:02,895 that is consistent with your own cultural values. 956 01:13:03,448 --> 01:13:06,209 And that's what we're fighting for. 957 01:13:33,443 --> 01:13:36,239 You could say that everything we learn, 958 01:13:36,273 --> 01:13:38,621 we learn from the stories that we are given. 959 01:13:40,692 --> 01:13:44,489 You could also then say that all the problems we have 960 01:13:44,903 --> 01:13:50,391 are symptoms of stories that were wrong, 961 01:13:50,426 --> 01:13:53,498 stories we told ourselves and stories we passed on, 962 01:13:53,532 --> 01:13:55,983 where we misunderstood things deeply. 963 01:14:01,816 --> 01:14:05,441 If hatcheries were successful and were addressing the situation, 964 01:14:05,475 --> 01:14:07,719 we wouldn't be having this discussion today. 965 01:14:12,482 --> 01:14:16,313 The underlying causes of the problems are still there, 966 01:14:16,762 --> 01:14:18,764 and after all these years, 967 01:14:18,799 --> 01:14:23,389 we're still having to put fish out there every year to keep them going. 968 01:14:24,149 --> 01:14:27,324 Perhaps it's time to pull back and question, 969 01:14:27,359 --> 01:14:29,050 is this the right path forward? 970 01:14:34,539 --> 01:14:38,646 How far do we go to manufacture wildness 971 01:14:38,681 --> 01:14:41,373 before we realize what we're really doing 972 01:14:41,407 --> 01:14:47,517 and think about alternative approaches, like protecting and restoring wild things? 973 01:14:59,805 --> 01:15:02,636 There's no right way to do the wrong thing. 974 01:15:03,637 --> 01:15:09,090 The right thing is to work on our rivers that we've destroyed 975 01:15:09,125 --> 01:15:13,888 and turned into sewers and dammed up and fix that, 976 01:15:13,923 --> 01:15:16,166 so that we have wild fish. 977 01:15:22,241 --> 01:15:27,799 This little issue is just a reflection of what we're doing to the whole planet. 978 01:15:30,249 --> 01:15:33,356 It's more than just our relationship with fish. 979 01:15:34,564 --> 01:15:38,361 It's how we're trying to control nature rather than work with nature. 980 01:15:42,089 --> 01:15:47,266 A life without wild nature, a life without these great iconic species, 981 01:15:47,301 --> 01:15:49,234 is an impoverished life. 982 01:15:53,341 --> 01:15:56,759 If we lose all wild species, we're going to lose ourselves. 82284

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