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It's just a thing. 12 00:03:08,814 --> 00:03:10,908 I awake, I write, I eat. 13 00:03:10,982 --> 00:03:13,110 I write, I watch TV. 14 00:03:15,529 --> 00:03:18,373 This is my 20,000th day on earth. 15 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,002 (WATER DRIPPING) 16 00:03:37,134 --> 00:03:39,387 Mostly I feel like a cannibal, 17 00:03:39,511 --> 00:03:42,685 you know, a cartoon one - with the big lips and the funny hair 18 00:03:42,806 --> 00:03:44,979 and the bone through its nose, 19 00:03:45,100 --> 00:03:48,024 always looking for someone to cook in a pot. 20 00:03:49,688 --> 00:03:52,032 You can ask my wife, Susie, she'll tell you... 21 00:03:53,608 --> 00:03:56,452 ...because she's usually the one that's getting cooked, 22 00:03:56,570 --> 00:03:59,414 cos there is an understanding between us... 23 00:04:00,907 --> 00:04:01,908 ...a pact... 24 00:04:03,243 --> 00:04:07,589 ...where every secret, sacred moment that exists between a husband and a wife 25 00:04:07,664 --> 00:04:09,587 is cannibalized 26 00:04:09,708 --> 00:04:14,339 and ground up and spat out the other side in the form of a song, 27 00:04:14,421 --> 00:04:17,391 inflated and distorted... 28 00:04:18,425 --> 00:04:20,143 ...and monstrous. 29 00:04:22,053 --> 00:04:24,055 (TYPEWRITER TAPPING) 30 00:04:25,807 --> 00:04:27,684 NICK: Mostly I write, 31 00:04:27,809 --> 00:04:31,404 tapping and scratching away, day and night sometimes. 32 00:04:32,439 --> 00:04:36,160 But if I ever stop for long enough to question what I'm actually doing, 33 00:04:36,276 --> 00:04:38,119 the why of it, 34 00:04:38,236 --> 00:04:40,489 well, I couldn't really tell you. 35 00:04:40,614 --> 00:04:42,582 I don't know. 36 00:04:48,455 --> 00:04:50,753 It's a world I'm creating... 37 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:56,722 ...a world full of monsters and heroes, good guys and bad guys. 38 00:04:57,798 --> 00:05:02,053 It's an absurd, crazy, violent world... 39 00:05:02,177 --> 00:05:05,772 where people rage away and God actually exists. 40 00:05:06,807 --> 00:05:10,903 And the more I write, the more detailed and elaborate the world becomes 41 00:05:11,019 --> 00:05:14,649 and all the characters that live and die or just fade away, 42 00:05:14,773 --> 00:05:17,868 they're just crooked versions of myself. 43 00:05:18,902 --> 00:05:21,997 Anyway, for me, it all begins in here 44 00:05:22,113 --> 00:05:24,707 in the most tiniest of ways. 45 00:05:24,783 --> 00:05:27,707 (PIANO AND SYNTHESIZER PLAYING) 46 00:05:35,252 --> 00:05:38,256 (PIANO AND SYNTHESIZER PLAYING) 47 00:05:42,592 --> 00:05:44,890 NICK: Can you do a beat for that? 48 00:05:45,011 --> 00:05:47,105 - Huh? - NICK: Can you do a beat for... 49 00:05:47,180 --> 00:05:49,399 (PLAYS PIANO) 50 00:05:49,516 --> 00:05:51,518 WARREN: Yeah. 51 00:05:54,145 --> 00:05:56,147 (PLAYS SYNTHESIZER) 52 00:06:01,403 --> 00:06:03,280 (PHONE RINGS) 53 00:06:05,532 --> 00:06:07,785 WOMAN: Hi, Nick. Just to remind you, 54 00:06:07,909 --> 00:06:10,378 your meeting with Darian's at midday today. 55 00:06:10,495 --> 00:06:14,420 Also, don't forget you need to drop in at the archive at some point this afternoon. 56 00:06:14,541 --> 00:06:16,839 They need to check a few things with you. 57 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,260 I'll text Darian's address, but if you need anything else, let me know. 58 00:06:20,380 --> 00:06:21,848 (CLICK AND BEEP) 59 00:06:22,966 --> 00:06:24,468 Fuck. 60 00:06:29,222 --> 00:06:31,691 NICK: And when I come out of that world, 61 00:06:31,808 --> 00:06:35,108 I always feel startled by the so-called real world... 62 00:06:35,228 --> 00:06:36,980 (DOOR SHUTS) 63 00:06:37,063 --> 00:06:39,782 - (SEAGULLS CRY) - ...and I eat and I watch TV 64 00:06:39,900 --> 00:06:43,200 and I play with the kids and I torment my wife 65 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,166 and I gather up experiences and then head back on in. 66 00:06:47,282 --> 00:06:48,750 (ENGINE STARTS) 67 00:06:48,867 --> 00:06:51,040 (# KYLIE MINOGUE: Can't Get You Outta My Head) 68 00:06:51,161 --> 00:06:53,789 - (MUSIC STOPS) - (PHONE RINGS) 69 00:06:53,914 --> 00:06:56,167 (BEEP AND CLICK) 70 00:06:56,291 --> 00:06:58,089 NICK: What were we doing on that yesterday? 71 00:06:58,209 --> 00:07:00,553 WARREN: Yeah, you had a... you...you played a thing on it. 72 00:07:00,670 --> 00:07:02,388 You sang it and it sounded really good. 73 00:07:02,505 --> 00:07:04,428 NICK: Yeah, we had something, didn't we? 74 00:07:04,549 --> 00:07:07,678 - WARREN: Yeah. - NICK: To go with. Hey, that's cool. 75 00:07:07,802 --> 00:07:09,679 NICK: I wonder what it was. 76 00:07:09,804 --> 00:07:11,806 I do this all the time these days. 77 00:07:12,933 --> 00:07:14,435 - WARREN: Ah... - NICK: Cool. 78 00:07:14,559 --> 00:07:16,436 (CLICK AND BEEP) 79 00:07:19,522 --> 00:07:21,365 NICK: Places choose you. 80 00:07:21,483 --> 00:07:25,613 They can take hold of you whether you wish them to or not. 81 00:07:26,947 --> 00:07:28,745 I used to come down to Brighton years ago, 82 00:07:28,823 --> 00:07:34,000 and what I remember most is that it was always cold and it was always raining... 83 00:07:35,038 --> 00:07:37,587 ...with a glacial wind that would blow through the streets 84 00:07:37,707 --> 00:07:39,630 and freeze you to your bones. 85 00:07:40,627 --> 00:07:44,848 But you gotta drop anchor somewhere and somehow here I am. 86 00:07:46,216 --> 00:07:48,594 Brighton, with all its weather, has become my home 87 00:07:48,718 --> 00:07:51,688 and, whatever hold this town has on me, 88 00:07:51,805 --> 00:07:55,685 well, it's been forcing its way violently into my songs. 89 00:07:58,186 --> 00:08:00,484 (SEAGULLS SQUAW K) 90 00:08:02,565 --> 00:08:04,442 (CLOCK TICKING) 91 00:08:04,567 --> 00:08:06,786 (SEAGULLS CRY OUTSIDE) 92 00:08:07,779 --> 00:08:09,907 NICK: Do you wanna know how to write a song? 93 00:08:11,992 --> 00:08:14,415 Songwriting is about counterpoint. 94 00:08:15,412 --> 00:08:17,414 Counterpoint is the key. 95 00:08:18,790 --> 00:08:23,921 Putting two disparate images beside each other and seeing which way the sparks fly. 96 00:08:24,921 --> 00:08:27,640 Like letting a small child in the same room 97 00:08:27,757 --> 00:08:32,183 as, I don't know, a Mongolian psychopath or something... 98 00:08:33,179 --> 00:08:37,184 ...and just sitting back and seeing what happens. 99 00:08:37,308 --> 00:08:38,901 WOMAN: Sorry, it shouldn't be long. 100 00:08:39,019 --> 00:08:42,523 NICK: Then you send in a clown, say, on a tricycle, 101 00:08:42,647 --> 00:08:45,742 and again you wait and you watch... 102 00:08:47,986 --> 00:08:50,114 ...and if that doesn't do it... 103 00:08:50,238 --> 00:08:51,660 you shoot the clown. 104 00:08:51,740 --> 00:08:53,959 (CRASHING IN HIS HEAD) 105 00:08:56,786 --> 00:08:59,084 WARREN: An Americano with a splash of milk in it. 106 00:08:59,205 --> 00:09:04,803 NICK: And I want a small, one-shot latte with one sugar. 107 00:09:06,046 --> 00:09:08,424 # I'm gonna go out 108 00:09:12,719 --> 00:09:15,097 # Today 109 00:09:18,183 --> 00:09:20,060 # Stray 110 00:09:20,143 --> 00:09:22,237 # By the river... # 111 00:09:25,231 --> 00:09:27,700 (HUMS TUNE) 112 00:09:30,111 --> 00:09:33,832 WARREN: There's something when you sing that that reminds me of something. 113 00:09:33,948 --> 00:09:37,452 - NICK: Er...Tim Buckley? - WARREN: No, it's, um...no. 114 00:09:37,577 --> 00:09:40,421 No, um...um...no. It's actually, um... 115 00:09:43,917 --> 00:09:45,794 All Night Long, Lionel Richie. 116 00:09:45,919 --> 00:09:48,388 Does that sound like that to you? Just sing what you were singing. 117 00:09:48,505 --> 00:09:49,597 (CHUCKLES) 118 00:09:49,714 --> 00:09:51,557 NICK: # One day I'm gonna go out... # 119 00:09:51,674 --> 00:09:54,052 Now I'm singing a Lionel Richie song. 120 00:09:54,177 --> 00:09:57,101 - # And baby - # Baby 121 00:09:57,180 --> 00:09:58,807 #Yeah...# 122 00:09:58,932 --> 00:10:01,310 WARREN: Is that just my Lionel Richie kind of... 123 00:10:01,434 --> 00:10:02,560 (NICK HUMMING TUNE) 124 00:10:02,685 --> 00:10:05,484 WARREN: Americano with a splash of cold milk. 125 00:10:06,689 --> 00:10:08,441 NICK: Maybe I'm singing it like Lionel Richie. 126 00:10:08,566 --> 00:10:11,615 - (WARREN LAUGHS) - # Oh, Lionel... # 127 00:10:11,736 --> 00:10:13,283 MAN: What's Nick having? A latte? 128 00:10:13,404 --> 00:10:17,284 WARREN: A latte with...a one-shot latte. What is it? One-shot latte and a... 129 00:10:17,408 --> 00:10:19,877 # One-shot latte... # 130 00:10:19,994 --> 00:10:21,746 WARREN: Half a cup, one-shot latte. 131 00:10:21,871 --> 00:10:26,251 # Lionel Richie... # 132 00:10:27,293 --> 00:10:30,388 - WARREN: Lionel latte. - # And a one-shot latte. # 133 00:10:35,426 --> 00:10:38,680 NICK: Oh, fuck it. He's totally blown my mojo over that one. 134 00:10:38,805 --> 00:10:41,103 (VOICE ECHOES IN HIS HEAD) 135 00:10:41,182 --> 00:10:43,150 WOMAN: Darian's ready to see you now. 136 00:10:43,268 --> 00:10:46,238 - (SEAGULLS CRYING) - (CLOCK TICKING) 137 00:10:54,696 --> 00:10:57,324 (TICKING) 138 00:10:59,367 --> 00:11:01,415 What's your earliest memory of a female body? 139 00:11:01,536 --> 00:11:02,708 Huh? 140 00:11:02,829 --> 00:11:05,127 What's your earliest memory of a female body? 141 00:11:05,248 --> 00:11:06,795 Um... 142 00:11:06,916 --> 00:11:11,717 um...the first major sexual experience that I had... 143 00:11:11,838 --> 00:11:13,840 Yes. 144 00:11:13,965 --> 00:11:17,185 ...was with, er...a girl, 145 00:11:17,260 --> 00:11:21,811 um...that I...who had black hair and a very white face. 146 00:11:21,931 --> 00:11:23,558 - Mm-hm. - She'd put on make-up, 147 00:11:23,683 --> 00:11:25,481 and she put make-up on over her lips as well 148 00:11:25,602 --> 00:11:28,856 so it was all just this...sort of almost this kabuki-like kind of thing, 149 00:11:28,980 --> 00:11:33,156 and I was...l don't know, 15 or something like that. 150 00:11:33,276 --> 00:11:35,324 I'd told my mother I was staying somewhere else, 151 00:11:35,445 --> 00:11:36,492 and I slept with this girl. 152 00:11:36,613 --> 00:11:40,743 - Hm. - But we didn't have sex. 153 00:11:40,867 --> 00:11:42,744 But there was something about the shifting of her... 154 00:11:42,869 --> 00:11:45,372 - She turned her back on me. - Hm. 155 00:11:45,496 --> 00:11:47,544 But I could see this face in... 156 00:11:47,665 --> 00:11:50,885 in the sort of half-light, this white face... 157 00:11:51,002 --> 00:11:54,506 and, um...that had quite a big effect on me, that. 158 00:11:54,631 --> 00:11:58,807 The thing about this girl 159 00:11:58,927 --> 00:12:00,429 and her friend Janine... 160 00:12:00,553 --> 00:12:02,351 - Julie, her name was. - Mm-hm. 161 00:12:02,472 --> 00:12:07,273 They used to like to dress me up in, er...in kind of... 162 00:12:07,393 --> 00:12:09,521 they liked to dress me up in women's clothing. 163 00:12:09,646 --> 00:12:11,990 - Hm. - At the time I'd do anything, you know, 164 00:12:12,106 --> 00:12:16,657 and...l remember sort of having to sort of toddle out of the family home 165 00:12:16,778 --> 00:12:19,452 in my high heels and hot pants when... 166 00:12:19,572 --> 00:12:20,494 (THEY CHUCKLE) 167 00:12:20,615 --> 00:12:23,118 Kind of, you know, "Off to..." "Where are you going, darling?" 168 00:12:23,243 --> 00:12:26,417 "Off to a fancy dress, Mum." And kind of going out the door, 169 00:12:26,537 --> 00:12:30,883 and...and eventually my father...l remember my father, er...coming upstairs 170 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,220 and, obviously, my...my mother had... 171 00:12:34,337 --> 00:12:36,135 - had told him about this... - Mm. 172 00:12:36,256 --> 00:12:38,304 - ...cos it was so out of character... - Mm. 173 00:12:38,383 --> 00:12:41,853 ...and him sitting down, like you're sitting there, and saying, 174 00:12:41,970 --> 00:12:45,645 "Now, son, there's a time when we all become men," 175 00:12:45,765 --> 00:12:48,359 and giving me this talk about, um... 176 00:12:48,476 --> 00:12:50,899 (CHUCKLES) ...about, er... wearing women's clothing, 177 00:12:51,020 --> 00:12:54,741 cos they were... I think they were worried that I was a transvestite. 178 00:12:54,857 --> 00:12:55,779 Hm. 179 00:12:55,900 --> 00:12:59,495 Um...but I was just sort of in... really in the thrall of this... 180 00:12:59,612 --> 00:13:02,115 strange, wonderful girl. 181 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,288 What are your earliest memories of him? 182 00:13:04,409 --> 00:13:05,831 - Of my father? - Mm. 183 00:13:05,952 --> 00:13:08,751 (SIGHS) Oh, I don't know. 184 00:13:11,791 --> 00:13:13,464 You know, there must be earlier ones, 185 00:13:13,543 --> 00:13:18,049 but he...he did actually take me aside one day 186 00:13:18,172 --> 00:13:20,891 and read me the first chapter of Lolita. 187 00:13:21,009 --> 00:13:22,556 Why that? 188 00:13:22,677 --> 00:13:24,896 Because he said that within that chapter, 189 00:13:25,013 --> 00:13:26,856 great writing kind of existed in there 190 00:13:26,973 --> 00:13:29,021 - ...on so many different levels... - Mm. 191 00:13:29,100 --> 00:13:31,148 ...and he kind of went through the alliteration 192 00:13:31,269 --> 00:13:35,399 and read it out loud and said, "See what happens here?" 193 00:13:35,523 --> 00:13:38,072 And...you know, and that was very powerful... 194 00:13:38,192 --> 00:13:39,819 - Mm. - ...thing for him to do for me, 195 00:13:39,902 --> 00:13:44,282 because the way that I saw him become around that kind of stuff... 196 00:13:44,407 --> 00:13:47,206 - Mm. - ...that was, urn... 197 00:13:48,494 --> 00:13:50,747 ...you know, different, that he changed when he read that. 198 00:13:50,872 --> 00:13:52,215 What did he become? 199 00:13:52,332 --> 00:13:56,462 - You know, a...a greater thing. - And do you ever remember... 200 00:14:04,260 --> 00:14:06,228 Hey, this is great, having the piano in, er... 201 00:14:06,304 --> 00:14:08,227 - the control room. - WARREN: Yeah, yeah. 202 00:14:08,348 --> 00:14:10,726 HERVE: We can, er...tune every piano if you need. 203 00:14:10,850 --> 00:14:12,102 Yeah, and...and the one in the barn. 204 00:14:12,226 --> 00:14:13,944 - Yeah. - NICK: While Warren is doing something 205 00:14:14,020 --> 00:14:16,022 or Tommy's doing something, I could take this piece... 206 00:14:16,147 --> 00:14:18,616 - HERVE: Yeah. - ...bring it in here and just play it 207 00:14:18,733 --> 00:14:20,576 and work it, because a lot of the stuff's not... 208 00:14:20,693 --> 00:14:23,037 - you know, it's very free at the moment. - NICK LAUNAY: Yeah, yeah. 209 00:14:23,154 --> 00:14:24,656 NICK CAVE: That's gonna be really nice. That's See That Girl. 210 00:14:24,781 --> 00:14:27,751 I mean, it's difficult to tell from some of this stuff what we got. 211 00:14:27,867 --> 00:14:30,245 - You've gotta kind of relax and... - Mm. 212 00:14:30,370 --> 00:14:32,668 ...because we got a lot of ideas about these things, 213 00:14:32,789 --> 00:14:35,463 which are just fucking nothing here, to be honest. 214 00:14:35,541 --> 00:14:38,294 (PLAYING PIANO) 215 00:14:41,631 --> 00:14:43,258 No, it's not gonna rain. 216 00:14:48,971 --> 00:14:50,723 Hey, he's got the camera rolling. 217 00:14:50,848 --> 00:14:53,101 NICK: I reckon we ought to put down a couple of basic tracks. 218 00:14:53,226 --> 00:14:55,820 (SYNTHESIZER AND PIANO PLAYING) 219 00:15:02,819 --> 00:15:03,945 Here it comes. 220 00:15:04,070 --> 00:15:06,072 (SYNTHESIZER AND PIANO PLAYING) 221 00:15:11,744 --> 00:15:14,463 # There was a girl called Animal X 222 00:15:15,623 --> 00:15:18,126 # She was not his type but she's all right 223 00:15:19,877 --> 00:15:21,629 # She's from the city where there is no... # 224 00:15:21,754 --> 00:15:23,301 Oh, no, I got that wrong. 225 00:15:24,465 --> 00:15:25,512 All right. 226 00:15:26,926 --> 00:15:29,099 # And there's no more air 227 00:15:29,220 --> 00:15:32,645 # Just the distant humming of a prejudicial prayer 228 00:15:34,225 --> 00:15:36,273 # And she arrives at the town 229 00:15:37,979 --> 00:15:40,402 # And at the gates she meets a boy 230 00:15:41,858 --> 00:15:44,486 # We'll call him Animal Y... # 231 00:15:53,786 --> 00:15:56,539 # She said there's nothing to fear 232 00:15:58,249 --> 00:16:01,753 # Ah, there's nothing to fear but a bad idea... # 233 00:16:02,962 --> 00:16:05,340 DARIAN: Did your father ever come to see you play? 234 00:16:05,756 --> 00:16:10,011 He came a couple of times. Both times, I didn't know that he was there. 235 00:16:10,136 --> 00:16:13,891 He came to the first New Year's Eve show that I did. 236 00:16:14,015 --> 00:16:17,861 It was a show on a street and I was kind of rolling around drunk and singing. 237 00:16:17,977 --> 00:16:20,230 The whole band were off their faces. 238 00:16:20,354 --> 00:16:22,448 He asked me how it had gone and I said, "Oh, it was good," 239 00:16:22,565 --> 00:16:24,112 and he went, "Yeah, I know, I was there." 240 00:16:24,233 --> 00:16:26,736 - Hm, hm. - But then he saw me before he died. 241 00:16:26,819 --> 00:16:31,290 It was a paid gig at a club, like a proper band, 242 00:16:31,407 --> 00:16:33,626 and, um...he was at that, too, 243 00:16:33,701 --> 00:16:37,422 and...and he, er...he saw that and he made this comment. 244 00:16:37,538 --> 00:16:40,132 - "You were like an angel," he said. - Hm. 245 00:16:40,249 --> 00:16:42,718 I can't imagine how he could have seen me in that way, quite frankly. 246 00:16:42,835 --> 00:16:44,178 DARIAN: Seen you as an angel? 247 00:16:44,295 --> 00:16:47,219 (LAUGHS) Yes, an angel. All things considered. 248 00:16:47,340 --> 00:16:51,891 In that way in which he'd be present, yet without declaring himself, 249 00:16:52,011 --> 00:16:54,480 did that ever happen at home? 250 00:16:54,597 --> 00:16:58,101 I remember one time my sister being very upset about something, 251 00:16:58,184 --> 00:17:01,108 and my father putting her to bed and then leaving the room 252 00:17:01,229 --> 00:17:05,905 and turning the light off, and my sister was sort of sobbing in the bed, you know, 253 00:17:05,983 --> 00:17:07,860 and then after a while... We were very young. 254 00:17:07,985 --> 00:17:11,239 I kind of went "Pooh", like that, and she started to giggle, you know, 255 00:17:11,364 --> 00:17:14,288 and then I went, "Shit", and she started to giggle more, 256 00:17:14,408 --> 00:17:16,786 and I went, "Fuck" and so on, and this, er... 257 00:17:16,911 --> 00:17:19,334 - Mm. - ...until she was kind of laughing 258 00:17:19,455 --> 00:17:23,460 and then I saw the door open and my father kind of move out... 259 00:17:23,543 --> 00:17:26,262 - Mm. - ...and I'm kind of like, "Oh!" you know. 260 00:17:26,379 --> 00:17:30,429 So, in all those examples, he's there like a kind of silent witness? 261 00:17:31,676 --> 00:17:34,145 Yeah. Yeah. 262 00:17:34,220 --> 00:17:38,191 Although he wasn't... To say that he wasn't present is not correct. 263 00:17:38,307 --> 00:17:40,105 - But in those instances. - Mm, mm. 264 00:17:40,184 --> 00:17:42,357 My memory of my childhood 265 00:17:42,478 --> 00:17:48,076 was really a kind of wonderful childhood for a...for a kid. 266 00:17:48,192 --> 00:17:50,991 Does it bring anything to mind, a memory or... 267 00:17:51,112 --> 00:17:54,582 Well, the Ovens River ran through Wangaratta 268 00:17:54,699 --> 00:17:57,168 and that's where I spent my childhood, 269 00:17:57,285 --> 00:17:59,003 - just down by that river. - Mm. 270 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:01,669 All the kind of cool stuff that I got up to as a kid. 271 00:18:01,789 --> 00:18:05,134 - What kind of thing? - Kissing girls. 272 00:18:05,251 --> 00:18:09,472 Jumping off the, er...the railway bridge that went over this river. 273 00:18:09,589 --> 00:18:13,014 I mean, we would put our ear to the tracks and listen for the train 274 00:18:13,134 --> 00:18:14,556 and hear it vibrating on the tracks. 275 00:18:14,677 --> 00:18:19,399 Then we would run towards the train, along the tracks into the middle of a bridge 276 00:18:19,515 --> 00:18:21,142 and the train would come around like this 277 00:18:21,267 --> 00:18:23,486 and we would run and then we would leap off the, er... 278 00:18:23,603 --> 00:18:25,446 - Mm. - ...leap off the bridge into the river. 279 00:18:25,563 --> 00:18:26,985 Mm. 280 00:18:27,106 --> 00:18:29,655 All of that kind of daredevil stuff of childhood, 281 00:18:29,775 --> 00:18:33,370 which...which was very much about what a lot of my childhood was about... 282 00:18:33,487 --> 00:18:36,081 - Mm. - ...um, and that I really miss, 283 00:18:36,198 --> 00:18:40,954 that my own children don't get to experience that sort of stuff. 284 00:18:41,078 --> 00:18:44,423 Mm. What do you fear the most? 285 00:18:44,540 --> 00:18:46,918 (SIGHS) Er... 286 00:18:50,504 --> 00:18:51,847 Hm... 287 00:18:53,341 --> 00:18:59,314 My...biggest fear, I guess, is losing my memory. 288 00:18:59,430 --> 00:19:01,023 It does worry me at times 289 00:19:01,140 --> 00:19:05,190 that I'm not gonna be able to continue to do what I do... 290 00:19:05,311 --> 00:19:08,986 um...and reach a place that I'm satisfied with. 291 00:19:09,106 --> 00:19:11,450 In the sense? 292 00:19:11,567 --> 00:19:14,411 Because memory is what we are, you know, and I think 293 00:19:14,528 --> 00:19:19,284 that your very soul and your very reason...to be alive 294 00:19:19,408 --> 00:19:20,705 is tied up in memory. 295 00:19:20,826 --> 00:19:23,830 I mean, I think for a very long time, 296 00:19:23,954 --> 00:19:28,255 I've been building up a kind of world through narrative songwriting. 297 00:19:28,376 --> 00:19:31,095 It is a kind of world that's created 298 00:19:31,212 --> 00:19:34,637 about those precious, um... 299 00:19:34,757 --> 00:19:38,057 original memories that define our lives 300 00:19:38,177 --> 00:19:42,432 and those memories that we spend for ever chasing after. 301 00:19:42,556 --> 00:19:44,809 Which memories do you think you're chasing after? 302 00:19:44,934 --> 00:19:47,403 I think exactly what we've been talking about. 303 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,069 Those earlier childhood memories. 304 00:19:50,189 --> 00:19:55,036 Those moments when the gears of the heart really change 305 00:19:55,152 --> 00:20:00,704 and that's...that could be being, er...discovering some work of art. 306 00:20:00,783 --> 00:20:06,756 Um...it could be some massive traumatic experience that happens. 307 00:20:06,872 --> 00:20:12,094 Um...it could be some tiny moment, er...a fragment of a moment, 308 00:20:12,211 --> 00:20:16,341 and in some way that's really what the process of songwriting is for me. 309 00:20:16,424 --> 00:20:22,022 It's the retelling of these stories and the mythologizing of these stories. 310 00:20:22,138 --> 00:20:26,268 To lose the faculty of memory is a massive trauma 311 00:20:26,392 --> 00:20:28,190 within that world, obviously. 312 00:20:28,310 --> 00:20:31,029 (PIANO PLAYING) 313 00:20:31,147 --> 00:20:33,241 NICK: Yes, is it worth pursuing? Will I just come back and... 314 00:20:33,733 --> 00:20:35,076 (PIANO PLAYING) 315 00:20:35,192 --> 00:20:37,695 OK, I'll do...I'll do one more. 316 00:20:37,820 --> 00:20:40,494 (PIANO PLAYING) 317 00:20:42,908 --> 00:20:45,661 # Childhood days 318 00:20:45,786 --> 00:20:48,585 # Shimmer in a haze 319 00:20:52,209 --> 00:20:54,211 # Give us a kiss 320 00:20:58,132 --> 00:21:01,227 # In the blue room you whispered into the music 321 00:21:02,219 --> 00:21:05,348 # And the brown field under the thorn bush 322 00:21:07,266 --> 00:21:08,939 # Give us a kiss 323 00:21:13,439 --> 00:21:16,909 # And then across the overpass and down 324 00:21:17,026 --> 00:21:19,700 # By the blood factory and into town 325 00:21:22,364 --> 00:21:24,162 # Give us a kiss 326 00:21:28,454 --> 00:21:30,707 # Just one little sip, sip, sip 327 00:21:31,707 --> 00:21:34,677 # Before you slip, slip, slip away 328 00:21:37,129 --> 00:21:39,131 # Again 329 00:21:42,510 --> 00:21:48,267 # You are still hanging out in my dreams 330 00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:51,064 # In your sister's shoes 331 00:21:52,728 --> 00:21:56,323 # In your blue jeans 332 00:21:57,566 --> 00:21:59,819 #Ah, give us a kiss 333 00:22:02,196 --> 00:22:04,870 # One little sip, sip, sip 334 00:22:06,784 --> 00:22:10,539 # Before I catch, catch, catch on fire 335 00:22:12,414 --> 00:22:14,382 # Come on 336 00:22:15,709 --> 00:22:18,428 # And give us 337 00:22:19,463 --> 00:22:23,184 # A kiss 338 00:22:36,021 --> 00:22:39,150 # Want me to burn 339 00:22:40,776 --> 00:22:43,655 # I will 340 00:22:50,411 --> 00:22:54,541 # Want me to burn 341 00:22:54,623 --> 00:22:57,342 # I will 342 00:23:01,171 --> 00:23:04,596 #Yes, I will. # 343 00:23:17,897 --> 00:23:21,401 NICK: If you can enter into the song and enter into the heart of the song, 344 00:23:21,525 --> 00:23:24,244 into the present moment, forget everything else, 345 00:23:24,361 --> 00:23:27,240 you can be kind of taken away... 346 00:23:27,364 --> 00:23:30,208 and then you're sort of godlike for a moment, 347 00:23:30,326 --> 00:23:32,454 and sometimes it doesn't, by the way. 348 00:23:32,578 --> 00:23:35,752 It's not that the moment you walk on, you turn into an angel or something like that. 349 00:23:35,873 --> 00:23:37,295 Sometimes it doesn't happen. 350 00:23:37,416 --> 00:23:40,386 - An angel? - OK. Let's... Yeah, yeah, whatever. 351 00:23:40,461 --> 00:23:47,094 Is this a...a theme in your songs - of responsibility and accountability? 352 00:23:47,217 --> 00:23:51,472 Um...l have a kind of weird relationship with the idea of God, 353 00:23:51,597 --> 00:23:56,728 because within my songwriting world, some kind of being like that exists. 354 00:23:56,852 --> 00:23:58,946 - Someone watching? - Yeah. 355 00:23:59,021 --> 00:24:01,695 Someone taking score, let's say. 356 00:24:01,815 --> 00:24:04,364 In the real world, I don't believe in such a thing. 357 00:24:04,485 --> 00:24:08,706 You know, when I had a... a real interest in religion 358 00:24:08,781 --> 00:24:10,408 was when I was taking a lot of drugs. 359 00:24:10,532 --> 00:24:12,830 - Mm. - You know, I was a junkie. 360 00:24:12,952 --> 00:24:15,546 I would wake up and need to score 361 00:24:15,621 --> 00:24:18,545 and the first thing I would do is go to church... 362 00:24:18,666 --> 00:24:19,713 Mm. 363 00:24:19,833 --> 00:24:22,552 ...and I would sit through the entire service, 364 00:24:22,670 --> 00:24:27,221 listening to the priest rant on up there and shake his hand on the way out, 365 00:24:27,299 --> 00:24:31,224 and then head up, er... Portobello Road to Golborne Road. 366 00:24:31,303 --> 00:24:33,806 The dealers were just coming out you know, at that time, 367 00:24:33,931 --> 00:24:36,354 and I could score and then go back to my... 368 00:24:36,475 --> 00:24:38,944 - Mm. - ...flat, take the drugs and sort of go, 369 00:24:39,019 --> 00:24:40,145 - "There," you know? - Mm. 370 00:24:40,270 --> 00:24:41,613 I'd do a little...little bit of good 371 00:24:41,730 --> 00:24:43,949 and a little... and, "What's the problem" type of thing, 372 00:24:44,024 --> 00:24:46,948 and I really felt on some level 373 00:24:47,069 --> 00:24:50,790 that I had a kind of workable balance in my life. 374 00:24:50,906 --> 00:24:53,955 - Mm. Mm. - I mean, it was mad. 375 00:24:54,076 --> 00:24:59,333 You know, I mean, when...when I met Susie, Susie was like, you know, 376 00:24:59,456 --> 00:25:03,211 "You're, er...you know, doing something really dangerous here 377 00:25:03,335 --> 00:25:07,181 "and...and...and life-threatening 378 00:25:07,297 --> 00:25:10,642 "and, um...you know, I want you to vow to me 379 00:25:10,759 --> 00:25:12,477 "that you'll never go to church again"... 380 00:25:12,594 --> 00:25:15,188 - (THEY CHUCKLE) - ...kind of thing. 381 00:25:15,305 --> 00:25:18,650 And when you're performing, do you ever have that sense 382 00:25:18,767 --> 00:25:20,394 of being an outsider or not? 383 00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:21,441 No, I don't. 384 00:25:21,562 --> 00:25:25,442 I find performing to be something much more, um...kind of communal 385 00:25:25,566 --> 00:25:28,740 and a much more sort of gathering together of people and... 386 00:25:28,861 --> 00:25:32,911 I mean you get...carried away, right? 387 00:25:33,032 --> 00:25:35,126 - You get taken away, anyway. - Mm. 388 00:25:35,242 --> 00:25:36,835 Something happens on stage. 389 00:25:36,952 --> 00:25:38,829 - Once you're on the stage? - Yeah. Not even before 390 00:25:38,954 --> 00:25:41,798 I get near the stage. In fact, before I'm on the stage, 391 00:25:41,915 --> 00:25:43,963 before, in the band room, it's horrendous, 392 00:25:44,084 --> 00:25:47,634 because you can't really understand how you can do the show. 393 00:25:47,755 --> 00:25:51,385 But something happens on stage, um... 394 00:25:51,508 --> 00:25:56,514 that takes you away from that and it's those kind of concerts, 395 00:25:56,638 --> 00:26:00,063 it's the concerts that we're trying to do that are so important, 396 00:26:00,142 --> 00:26:03,817 and they're so important for, um...the audience. 397 00:26:03,937 --> 00:26:05,359 To go beyond something? 398 00:26:05,481 --> 00:26:08,985 Well, not every gig you're gonna go to is gonna make you feel that way, 399 00:26:09,109 --> 00:26:11,737 but when...when they do... 400 00:26:11,820 --> 00:26:16,701 I mean, I put on a concert at the London Meltdown with Nina Simone, 401 00:26:16,825 --> 00:26:20,546 and before she went on, she called me to her room, 402 00:26:20,621 --> 00:26:25,172 and she was sitting there in this chair, and she was like the nastiest woman. 403 00:26:25,292 --> 00:26:29,342 She had this big, white, blousy thing on and this kind of Cleopatra make-up, 404 00:26:29,421 --> 00:26:31,264 and she said... 405 00:26:31,340 --> 00:26:33,342 (MIMICS NINA) "I want you to introduce me!" like that, 406 00:26:33,467 --> 00:26:35,720 and I'm like "OK, how do you want me to introduce you?" 407 00:26:35,844 --> 00:26:40,816 (MIMICS NINA) "I am Dr Nina Simone!" like this, and I'm like, "OK, OK.โ€ 408 00:26:40,933 --> 00:26:43,027 and, er...l went out and I introduced her, 409 00:26:43,102 --> 00:26:45,776 and she walked up to the... to the front of the stage. 410 00:26:45,896 --> 00:26:50,697 She...she was not well and it took her a long time to even get onto the stage 411 00:26:50,818 --> 00:26:52,741 and she walked up to the front of the stage 412 00:26:52,820 --> 00:26:54,822 and held her sort of fists by the sides 413 00:26:54,947 --> 00:26:59,544 and stared at the audience with this expression of loathing on her face, 414 00:26:59,660 --> 00:27:03,210 and everyone's just sitting in their seats like, "What is...what's gonna happen?" 415 00:27:03,330 --> 00:27:04,582 and she sat down at the piano 416 00:27:04,706 --> 00:27:08,256 and she took the gum out of her mouth and stuck it onto the piano 417 00:27:08,377 --> 00:27:11,506 and just kind of launched into this show, 418 00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:14,224 and through the process of this show, 419 00:27:14,299 --> 00:27:16,472 um...became this other thing, 420 00:27:16,593 --> 00:27:18,470 and you could see it within the audience, 421 00:27:18,595 --> 00:27:20,472 - how they responded to this... - Mm. 422 00:27:20,597 --> 00:27:24,977 ...until the end she was up the front and touching people and dancing on the stage, 423 00:27:25,060 --> 00:27:28,610 and it was an absolute trans-formative performance 424 00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:31,449 and it absolutely changed everybody in a... 425 00:27:31,567 --> 00:27:33,740 you know, that could pay witness to that... 426 00:27:33,861 --> 00:27:34,783 - Mm. - ...show. 427 00:27:34,862 --> 00:27:37,536 And to me, that's what we should... 428 00:27:37,656 --> 00:27:43,208 that's what we should be trying to... to do when...when you go on stage. 429 00:27:43,328 --> 00:27:45,547 You know, I don't know how it is for other people, 430 00:27:45,622 --> 00:27:48,876 but I think on some level we all want to be somebody else, 431 00:27:49,001 --> 00:27:55,008 and we all look for that trans-formative thing that can happen in...in our lives 432 00:27:55,132 --> 00:27:58,602 and I think most people find it in some way or another 433 00:27:58,719 --> 00:28:03,395 and that's a place that they can forget who they are and become somebody else. 434 00:28:03,515 --> 00:28:06,359 - By forgetting who they are? - Yeah. 435 00:28:06,476 --> 00:28:08,069 By forgetting who they are. 436 00:28:08,187 --> 00:28:09,188 Mm. 437 00:28:09,313 --> 00:28:13,193 And I think maybe that's what I'm talking about with my father reading Lolita. 438 00:28:13,317 --> 00:28:15,194 - I noticed that about him... - Mm. 439 00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:17,572 ...you know, that he was doing something. 440 00:28:17,696 --> 00:28:21,200 He was only reading this, but he was engaged in this on a different level 441 00:28:21,325 --> 00:28:25,922 and, er...and was thrilled to read this to...his child. 442 00:28:26,038 --> 00:28:27,540 Mm. 443 00:28:27,623 --> 00:28:30,046 How old were you when he died? 444 00:28:30,167 --> 00:28:32,716 Er...l was 445 00:28:32,836 --> 00:28:35,134 um...19. 446 00:28:35,255 --> 00:28:38,134 - Hm. - And, er...yeah. 447 00:28:39,259 --> 00:28:41,227 Um... 448 00:28:41,303 --> 00:28:44,182 and that...that really just came out of the blue. 449 00:28:44,264 --> 00:28:48,269 That was, um...something that kind of rocked the whole family and... 450 00:28:52,439 --> 00:28:53,861 Shall we stop there? 451 00:28:59,571 --> 00:29:01,164 (SEAGULLS CRY OUTSIDE) 452 00:29:01,657 --> 00:29:04,126 (SEAGULLS CRY 453 00:29:19,675 --> 00:29:22,645 - NICK: You turn it on. - (ENGINE STARTS) 454 00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:25,890 You turn it off. 455 00:29:26,014 --> 00:29:27,357 But then one day you find you can't, 456 00:29:27,474 --> 00:29:30,523 and you've become the thing you wished into existence... 457 00:29:31,728 --> 00:29:33,105 ...back when you were a kid up in your room 458 00:29:33,230 --> 00:29:36,780 and singing into a broom with the door locked. 459 00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:41,280 You've dreamed yourself to the outside, and nothing can bring you back in, 460 00:29:41,405 --> 00:29:44,830 and, anyway, you're not sure you ever wanted to be in there in the first place. 461 00:29:50,455 --> 00:29:53,334 You know...you know, I was just thinking, you know what I mean. 462 00:29:53,458 --> 00:29:54,801 Are you, er... 463 00:29:56,253 --> 00:29:58,756 Do you worry about getting old or anything like that? 464 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,765 I think, you know, when you get to our age, you do worry about it. 465 00:30:03,885 --> 00:30:07,310 I think the goalposts change in a way. I mean... 466 00:30:07,431 --> 00:30:11,857 (SIGHS) Why is it always pissing down with rain when I come to Brighton? 467 00:30:13,645 --> 00:30:17,650 You know, I don't know about you, Nick, but, um... 468 00:30:19,443 --> 00:30:22,413 You know, I got to 5O and I was all right, I was pretty cool with it. 469 00:30:22,529 --> 00:30:25,453 But, you know, I'm...I'm 56. How old are you? 470 00:30:27,659 --> 00:30:32,335 I kind of had to think about... reinventing myself, I suppose, 471 00:30:32,456 --> 00:30:35,505 within the business that I'm in, you know, and it was... 472 00:30:35,584 --> 00:30:37,803 I can't reinvent myself. 473 00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:40,422 - Do you want to? - No. 474 00:30:40,547 --> 00:30:42,299 I don't...l don't want to, either, 475 00:30:42,382 --> 00:30:47,183 but I think that the rock star, you've gotta be able to see from a distance. 476 00:30:47,262 --> 00:30:49,230 It's something that you can draw in one line... 477 00:30:49,348 --> 00:30:50,895 - Mm. - ...and you can't have 'em changing... 478 00:30:51,016 --> 00:30:53,064 every second week they're something different, 479 00:30:53,185 --> 00:30:54,732 because they've got to be godlike. 480 00:30:54,853 --> 00:30:57,072 But it's all an invention. 481 00:30:57,189 --> 00:30:59,738 But it happened early on for me. 482 00:30:59,858 --> 00:31:03,579 As a child, I think I had a desperate need to change myself into something else. 483 00:31:03,695 --> 00:31:04,617 Mm. 484 00:31:04,738 --> 00:31:07,617 I'd look in the mirror and... and not be... I wasn't happy. 485 00:31:07,699 --> 00:31:11,795 I used to look at these people on the record covers and aspire to that. 486 00:31:11,912 --> 00:31:13,664 (CAR HORN BLARES) 487 00:31:23,507 --> 00:31:25,930 RAY: What do you think of the Rolling Stones? 488 00:31:27,552 --> 00:31:30,351 Must be a time when they actually look at one another and think, you know, 489 00:31:30,472 --> 00:31:32,395 "Boys, haven't we got enough money now? Do we wanna retire? 490 00:31:32,516 --> 00:31:34,860 "We can always play a banjo on a porch somewhere 491 00:31:34,976 --> 00:31:36,978 "and sing a song for our own entertainment." 492 00:31:37,062 --> 00:31:38,905 I mean, do you love performing still? 493 00:31:40,315 --> 00:31:41,237 I hear actors say it. 494 00:31:41,358 --> 00:31:42,735 I live for it, I really do. 495 00:31:42,859 --> 00:31:45,032 - Really do, yeah? - And...and it's...it's the... 496 00:31:45,153 --> 00:31:48,748 it's really that moment I can get to be that person... 497 00:31:48,865 --> 00:31:51,209 - Yeah. - ...that I always wanted to be. 498 00:31:51,326 --> 00:31:57,129 There's something that happens on stage where you are transported and you are... 499 00:31:57,249 --> 00:32:01,470 Time has a different feel and you are just this thing 500 00:32:01,586 --> 00:32:04,260 - and you feel you can't do any wrong... - Yeah. 501 00:32:04,381 --> 00:32:07,555 ...and then you look down the front row and somebody yawns... 502 00:32:07,676 --> 00:32:09,428 - (LAUGHS) - ...something like that, 503 00:32:09,553 --> 00:32:12,773 and the whole thing falls away and you're just this... 504 00:32:12,889 --> 00:32:14,141 - schmuck. - Just crucifies you, yeah. 505 00:32:14,224 --> 00:32:17,068 I had it when...when I was...and I loved playing Henry VIII, you know, 506 00:32:17,185 --> 00:32:19,984 and, er...l...l actually become Henry VIII. 507 00:32:20,105 --> 00:32:23,860 I really believed I was the King of England and, er...you know, that I... 508 00:32:23,942 --> 00:32:25,319 - I could have women's heads... - And offstage? 509 00:32:25,444 --> 00:32:26,661 Yeah, I was going home at night 510 00:32:26,778 --> 00:32:29,748 and thinking, you know, I could actually...l could become Henry. 511 00:32:29,823 --> 00:32:31,075 I could do this, you know. 512 00:32:31,199 --> 00:32:33,702 My agent and his mum came down, 513 00:32:33,827 --> 00:32:35,795 and she watched the day's shoot, and I was, you know, 514 00:32:35,912 --> 00:32:39,166 pretty pleased with myself, what I was doing, and she said, er... 515 00:32:39,291 --> 00:32:40,884 "Are you gonna play him like that?" 516 00:32:41,001 --> 00:32:42,173 " (LAUGHS) " No? 517 00:32:42,294 --> 00:32:45,514 Yeah. And it absolutely...it just kettled me for a couple of days, you know. 518 00:32:45,630 --> 00:32:47,348 I'm thinking, "Oh, fuck it!" you know, 519 00:32:47,424 --> 00:32:49,347 because I think as an... as a performer, you... 520 00:32:49,468 --> 00:32:51,846 - you need that confidence of feeling. - You need to believe, don't you? 521 00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:53,563 You need someone saying you're doing good. 522 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,023 I can't see a bloody thing here. 523 00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:58,565 Yeah, well, put your steamer on. I mean, you know, it's science, innit? 524 00:32:58,685 --> 00:33:01,939 I mean, if it's cold out there and hot in here, you're gonna get steamy windows. 525 00:33:02,022 --> 00:33:03,740 Yeah, I know, but... 526 00:33:12,282 --> 00:33:14,000 (MUSIC PLAYING) 527 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,093 (HORN SOUNDS) 528 00:33:32,886 --> 00:33:35,309 (WIND CHIMES RING) 529 00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:37,641 - G'day, Nick. - G'day, Warren. 530 00:33:37,766 --> 00:33:40,189 - How are you, mate? - All right. You all right? 531 00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:42,062 Yeah, I'm good. How are you? 532 00:33:42,187 --> 00:33:45,111 - It's the birds. - Wonderful. Bring 'em in. 533 00:33:45,232 --> 00:33:47,826 - I'll put 'em straight in the bin. - (THEY LAUGH) 534 00:33:49,027 --> 00:33:50,654 NICK: So, how have you been, Warren? 535 00:33:50,779 --> 00:33:55,910 I've been all right. I've been good. Lining a few crows up, shooting 'em down. 536 00:33:56,034 --> 00:33:58,878 It's good. Things are good. How you been? 537 00:33:58,995 --> 00:34:00,747 NICK: I've been OK. 538 00:34:00,872 --> 00:34:04,001 - Are you, er...hungry? - (NICK CHUCKLES) 539 00:34:04,125 --> 00:34:06,298 - I'm cooking eels. - You're cooking me eels? 540 00:34:06,419 --> 00:34:07,386 I'm cooking you eels. 541 00:34:07,462 --> 00:34:10,966 - Um...a cup. We need a cup. - Yeah. 542 00:34:11,091 --> 00:34:14,595 Half a cup, right'? Wouldn't like you to have a full bladder on your trip back. 543 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,848 Oh, speaking of trip back, look what I got here. 544 00:34:17,973 --> 00:34:20,647 Terrorise your kids with these. I got them in France when I was over there. 545 00:34:20,767 --> 00:34:22,485 - Some bangers. - Oh, thanks. 546 00:34:22,602 --> 00:34:24,775 Just don't scare any children, though, with them, or... 547 00:34:24,896 --> 00:34:27,149 - or dogs. But, er... - Very good. 548 00:34:27,274 --> 00:34:29,447 - Machine-gun ones, as well. - Thank you. My wife will be really... 549 00:34:29,568 --> 00:34:33,198 Tell 'em, you go in with ten fingers, you gotta come out with ten fingers. 550 00:34:33,321 --> 00:34:34,243 Got it. 551 00:34:34,364 --> 00:34:36,787 - Are you hungry? - Yeah. 552 00:34:36,908 --> 00:34:39,627 Do you remember that gig? 553 00:34:39,703 --> 00:34:41,250 - The Nina Simone gig? - Oh, yeah. 554 00:34:41,371 --> 00:34:43,840 - Fuck, that was good, wasn't it? - Yeah, it was up there. Like, 555 00:34:43,957 --> 00:34:45,709 I've seen a bunch of gigs 556 00:34:45,834 --> 00:34:48,838 that...that's one that was like one of the greatest things I've ever seen. 557 00:34:48,962 --> 00:34:52,341 Do you remember, before she started playing, 558 00:34:52,465 --> 00:34:54,593 she took the chewing gum out of her mouth? 559 00:34:54,718 --> 00:34:57,221 - Mm. - Like, sort of sat down, 560 00:34:57,345 --> 00:34:59,894 took the chewing gum out and just stuck it on to the piano, 561 00:35:00,015 --> 00:35:02,143 - and then just slammed... - I have that chewing gum at home. 562 00:35:02,267 --> 00:35:03,359 Yeah, I have that in my... 563 00:35:03,476 --> 00:35:05,149 - What, you got that? - I took it, yeah. 564 00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:07,489 (LAUGHS) I...l went up and took it off the stage after. 565 00:35:07,606 --> 00:35:09,199 - Did you really? - Yeah. 566 00:35:09,316 --> 00:35:13,287 I have it in a towel that she...the one she wiped her forehead and then went... 567 00:35:13,403 --> 00:35:16,247 - (BLOWS RASPBERRY) ...like that. - Oh, fuck, I'm really jealous. 568 00:35:16,364 --> 00:35:19,083 And, er...it... I remember, cos Matt mixed her. 569 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,999 Matt apparently walked past her room, and she was sitting in there 570 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,999 like, looking really pissed off and not wanting to be there. 571 00:35:26,124 --> 00:35:27,797 And...and he goes like, um... 572 00:35:27,917 --> 00:35:32,218 (TUTS) "ls everything OK, um... Mrs Simone?" or whatever, you know. 573 00:35:32,339 --> 00:35:33,807 - Dr Simone. - Dr Simone, I guess. 574 00:35:33,923 --> 00:35:35,925 He probably wouldn't have... Matt wouldn't have said that. 575 00:35:36,051 --> 00:35:37,849 And, "ls there anything I can get you?" 576 00:35:37,969 --> 00:35:39,596 and, er...she just said, 577 00:35:39,721 --> 00:35:43,771 "I'd like some champagne, some cocaine and some sausages!" 578 00:35:43,892 --> 00:35:49,023 And, er...and, er...Matt...Matt goes, "All right, I'll see what I can do." 579 00:35:49,147 --> 00:35:51,946 So, Matt went off and he got some coke, some champagne 580 00:35:52,067 --> 00:35:54,365 and some sausages for her and took 'em back 581 00:35:54,486 --> 00:35:56,363 and he said she just had this big grin on her face 582 00:35:56,488 --> 00:35:57,705 and she goes, "Thank you!" and just... 583 00:35:57,781 --> 00:36:00,955 (SNORTS) ...hoovered up the coke and drank some champagne and ate her sausages. 584 00:36:01,076 --> 00:36:01,952 Yeah. 585 00:36:02,077 --> 00:36:04,079 I've never seen an audience like that, 586 00:36:04,204 --> 00:36:06,957 that felt like they were about to fall in on top of one another. 587 00:36:07,082 --> 00:36:09,210 - Nobody knew what to expect and... - Well, she...she was... 588 00:36:09,334 --> 00:36:11,428 she was genuinely frightening when she came on... 589 00:36:11,544 --> 00:36:13,217 - Terrifying. - ...up the front of the stage. 590 00:36:13,338 --> 00:36:17,514 She literally walked onto the lip of the stage and stared everyone down... 591 00:36:17,634 --> 00:36:19,181 - Yeah. - ...like it was... 592 00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:20,762 Well, I remember...l remember seeing... 593 00:36:20,887 --> 00:36:24,016 I had the same thing happen when I saw "The Killer" play in Paris 594 00:36:24,140 --> 00:36:26,268 and my mate was there and he's like...comes up to me, 595 00:36:26,393 --> 00:36:27,940 he goes, "Well, good news. 596 00:36:28,019 --> 00:36:31,023 "The...the T- shirt guy selling the T-shirts." 597 00:36:31,147 --> 00:36:32,865 And I'm like, "Ooh, what do you mean?" 598 00:36:32,941 --> 00:36:34,818 and he goes, "Oh, I saw him last week in the South of France 599 00:36:34,901 --> 00:36:36,824 "and the T-shirt seller did most of the set 600 00:36:36,903 --> 00:36:38,405 "and The Killer just sat on the side and came out... 601 00:36:38,530 --> 00:36:40,328 - Oh, really? - "and did Great Balls Of Fire 602 00:36:40,448 --> 00:36:42,325 "and then just, like, fucked off." 603 00:36:42,450 --> 00:36:44,327 And so the band came on and started playing 604 00:36:44,452 --> 00:36:46,125 and they just sounded like dog shit, you know. 605 00:36:46,246 --> 00:36:48,920 They were just like playing through the standard stuff 606 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,293 and then...then it was like, "Jerry Lee's in the house," 607 00:36:51,418 --> 00:36:54,217 like, "Jerry Lee's in the house", and... and suddenly you'd look on the side 608 00:36:54,337 --> 00:36:55,964 and there's The Killer just standing there 609 00:36:56,089 --> 00:37:00,094 looking like a kind of orang-utan, just sort of like this, lurching, 610 00:37:00,218 --> 00:37:02,346 and it was like that Nina Simone show, 611 00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:04,017 and the guy walked up and hit the piano 612 00:37:04,139 --> 00:37:07,018 and had this sound like a jackhammer, and it was unbelievable, 613 00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:11,025 and it was just two microphones plugged into a Fender Twin wound out, 614 00:37:11,146 --> 00:37:15,196 like everything wound out, just this sound that's instantly Jerry Lee, 615 00:37:15,316 --> 00:37:18,286 and he walked onto the stage, and he got to the front of the lip like that, 616 00:37:18,403 --> 00:37:22,203 and just went, "Yeah!" like that, and everyone was like, "Whoa!" like this. 617 00:37:22,323 --> 00:37:24,246 And then he sat down and went, "Brrr!" like that, 618 00:37:24,367 --> 00:37:26,165 and then suddenly he started playing 619 00:37:26,286 --> 00:37:28,209 - and the band sounded unbelievable... - Yeah. 620 00:37:28,329 --> 00:37:31,754 ...cos they all got in underneath this amazing sound of his, 621 00:37:31,875 --> 00:37:34,924 and then he did like a bunch of ballads in the middle, Hank Williams and stuff, 622 00:37:35,044 --> 00:37:37,342 and then he did Great Balls Of Fire, 623 00:37:37,422 --> 00:37:39,015 and then he tried to get up on the piano and he couldn't, 624 00:37:39,132 --> 00:37:41,055 and it was one of the wildest things I'd ever seen. 625 00:37:41,176 --> 00:37:43,554 He was just trying to get up, and then they ran up behind him 626 00:37:43,678 --> 00:37:45,646 and they were trying to get him up there, and he's... 627 00:37:45,764 --> 00:37:47,607 going like this. 628 00:37:47,724 --> 00:37:52,025 It was phenomenal, and then he walked off. The power blew in the place. 629 00:37:52,145 --> 00:37:54,318 The guitar player, who was about 70 or something, 630 00:37:54,439 --> 00:37:56,908 picked up his amp, put it under his arm and walked off, 631 00:37:57,025 --> 00:37:59,949 like this old amp he must have had since day one, you know, 632 00:38:00,069 --> 00:38:03,198 and it was like, that's what it was like about, you know. 633 00:38:03,323 --> 00:38:05,746 You're seeing a show, you know. 634 00:38:07,327 --> 00:38:10,001 WARREN: Do you want salt and pepper with that? 635 00:38:10,121 --> 00:38:11,213 - No. - Is that enough? 636 00:38:11,331 --> 00:38:12,503 No, I'm all right. 637 00:38:12,582 --> 00:38:15,836 I might just put that there for a second. 638 00:38:22,050 --> 00:38:23,142 Mm. 639 00:38:23,259 --> 00:38:25,557 I don't know if they're gonna be able to... 640 00:38:25,678 --> 00:38:27,772 WOMAN: Vous vous taisez, d'accord? 641 00:38:27,889 --> 00:38:31,143 Oh, il fait chaud, huh? 642 00:38:31,267 --> 00:38:32,689 (MUSIC PLAYS) 643 00:38:32,811 --> 00:38:37,738 # I've got a feeling that just won't go away 644 00:38:37,857 --> 00:38:43,079 # You've got to just keep on pushing 645 00:38:43,196 --> 00:38:46,245 # Keep on pushing 646 00:38:47,325 --> 00:38:50,955 ii Push the sky away... ii 647 00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:53,923 OK, let's... 648 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,465 - (SYNTHESIZER STOPS) - Yeah. Um...it sounded really good. 649 00:38:57,544 --> 00:39:00,798 - Just we need to join... - Push, push the sky away. 650 00:39:00,922 --> 00:39:03,766 ...the idea of bringing the sky later. 651 00:39:03,883 --> 00:39:06,136 The โ€œawayโ€ later. Push. They're going... 652 00:39:06,261 --> 00:39:09,561 - # Push the sky away... # - You've got to just...you've got to... 653 00:39:09,681 --> 00:39:13,731 It's not good. It's gotta do it at the same...the way I'm doing it, yeah? 654 00:39:13,852 --> 00:39:17,356 - OK. It's actually like one word. - D'accord. 655 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,984 - (WOMAN SPEAKS FRENCH) - # You've got to just... # 656 00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:23,407 - Tell...tell them. - Oui, oui. 657 00:39:23,528 --> 00:39:26,372 Heymhey, juste...juste un petโ€œ true. 658 00:39:26,489 --> 00:39:29,618 Um...push the sky away. 659 00:39:29,701 --> 00:39:31,453 Ensemble. Sky away. 660 00:39:31,578 --> 00:39:34,127 - Pas sky...away. - Ah, oui, d'accord. 661 00:39:34,247 --> 00:39:35,169 Ensemble. 662 00:39:35,290 --> 00:39:38,464 # Push the sky away... 663 00:39:38,543 --> 00:39:44,767 # You've got to just keep on pushing 664 00:39:44,883 --> 00:39:47,682 # Keep on pushing 665 00:39:47,802 --> 00:39:53,024 # Push the sky away. # 666 00:39:53,141 --> 00:39:55,064 - Bravo! C'est fini. - OK. 667 00:39:55,184 --> 00:39:58,779 WARREN: (Test bon. Super. Bravo, tout le monde. 668 00:39:58,897 --> 00:40:01,571 KEVIN: Well done, mate, yeah. You've got a future career there. 669 00:40:01,691 --> 00:40:03,614 WARREN: Well, it was my original career, 670 00:40:03,735 --> 00:40:06,079 until I discovered heroin and alcohol and then... 671 00:40:06,195 --> 00:40:07,788 (LAUGHS) 672 00:40:07,906 --> 00:40:09,829 ...it kinda all went wrong after that. 673 00:40:09,949 --> 00:40:13,419 - Couldn't juggle the three professions. - (LAUGHS) 674 00:40:13,536 --> 00:40:15,630 (HELICOPTER WHIRRING) 675 00:40:15,747 --> 00:40:17,420 There's a helicopter. 676 00:40:20,376 --> 00:40:23,755 I've probably had more meals with you than my wife, actually, when I... 677 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,009 - We've had a lot. We've had a lot. - ...If I do the mathematics. 678 00:40:27,133 --> 00:40:30,888 - (PHONE RINGS) - We have had a lot...a lot of bad ones. 679 00:40:31,012 --> 00:40:32,980 (WARREN LAUGHS) 680 00:40:34,641 --> 00:40:35,938 - Right, I've gotta go. - WARREN: Yeah. 681 00:40:36,392 --> 00:40:38,269 I've gotta go to the archive. 682 00:40:38,394 --> 00:40:40,362 (SEAGULLS CRY 683 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,869 NICK: You've gotta understand your limitations. 684 00:40:51,658 --> 00:40:56,664 It's your limitations that make you the wonderful disaster you most probably are. 685 00:40:58,539 --> 00:41:02,009 For me, that's where collaboration comes in, 686 00:41:02,126 --> 00:41:05,676 to take an idea that is blind and unformed 687 00:41:05,797 --> 00:41:08,767 and that has been hatched largely in solitude 688 00:41:08,883 --> 00:41:12,513 and allow these strange collaborator creatures that I work with 689 00:41:12,637 --> 00:41:15,732 to morph it into something else, something better. 690 00:41:16,808 --> 00:41:18,185 Well, that's really something to see. 691 00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:21,358 BLIXA BARGELD: I mean, with the last record that I participated in, 692 00:41:21,479 --> 00:41:24,858 on Nocturama, it wasn't open like that any more. 693 00:41:24,941 --> 00:41:27,285 You came with basically fixed songs, 694 00:41:27,402 --> 00:41:30,952 in the sense of musically as well as lyrically, to the studio, and we were... 695 00:41:31,072 --> 00:41:33,791 I was just trying with that record to... 696 00:41:34,784 --> 00:41:37,958 ...you know, disrupt the process slightly and...maybe that... 697 00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:41,424 Yeah, I noticed that you wanted to... that you wanted to go somewhere different. 698 00:41:41,541 --> 00:41:43,043 - It wasn't much... - So, is that why you left? 699 00:41:43,167 --> 00:41:44,840 No, no, no, no, no. 700 00:41:44,961 --> 00:41:48,431 I left basically because of our management 701 00:41:48,548 --> 00:41:54,521 and because I felt that I can't keep up a marriage and two bands. 702 00:41:54,637 --> 00:41:57,311 - Right. - Time was becoming a problem. 703 00:41:57,432 --> 00:42:01,312 I had had no personal conflict with you or anyone else in the band. 704 00:42:01,436 --> 00:42:05,441 - No. No, I...l didn't think so. - I had no musical schisma either. 705 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,362 (SIREN BLARING) 706 00:42:14,615 --> 00:42:16,663 (SIREN BLARING) 707 00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:22,753 I...l sometimes listen to the records we made... 708 00:42:22,874 --> 00:42:24,251 BLIXA: Yeah. 709 00:42:24,375 --> 00:42:27,424 ...and I really wish there was someone in the studio who had have... 710 00:42:27,503 --> 00:42:30,006 - Tell you that this is too much. - ...told me it's too long, 711 00:42:30,131 --> 00:42:33,010 "Edit," you know, and now I'm brutal with editing, 712 00:42:33,134 --> 00:42:35,603 and the lovely thing about editing, 713 00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:38,223 when you're actually sitting there and doing the take, 714 00:42:38,347 --> 00:42:41,191 and you ask, "How long is the song?" and they say, "Six minutes," 715 00:42:41,309 --> 00:42:42,936 and then you take out a couple of verses. 716 00:42:43,061 --> 00:42:44,438 And suddenly it's better than before. 717 00:42:44,562 --> 00:42:46,781 Suddenly...well, suddenly, it's a different song. 718 00:42:46,898 --> 00:42:48,992 In fact, you don't even know what the song really is until... 719 00:42:49,108 --> 00:42:51,281 - Yeah. - ...some time later when you kind of... 720 00:42:51,402 --> 00:42:52,779 BLIXA: Yeah, I know that feeling. 721 00:42:52,862 --> 00:42:54,830 ."Because of the ramifications of the edit. 722 00:42:54,947 --> 00:42:59,669 Once you've understood the song, it's no longer of much interest, 723 00:42:59,744 --> 00:43:02,543 and some of those... some of those great songs that you do, 724 00:43:02,622 --> 00:43:07,173 that you kind of become aware of new things over the years, 725 00:43:07,293 --> 00:43:09,045 - with songs and... - Yes. 726 00:43:09,170 --> 00:43:11,798 ...the reason why you keep playing them, for me... 727 00:43:11,923 --> 00:43:13,675 - Yes.. - and some of those others... 728 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,347 Others just alienate their selves 729 00:43:15,468 --> 00:43:17,470 - and go somewhere else and... - Yeah. 730 00:43:17,595 --> 00:43:19,188 ...you don't find the door any longer 731 00:43:19,263 --> 00:43:24,190 to be able to...to bring something out of it that's still true. 732 00:43:24,310 --> 00:43:26,358 - Yeah, exactly. - Yeah. 733 00:43:30,108 --> 00:43:33,578 NICK: I love the feeling of a song before you understand it. 734 00:43:33,694 --> 00:43:40,327 When we're all playing deep inside the moment, the song feels wild and unbroken. 735 00:43:40,451 --> 00:43:42,328 Soon it will become domesticated 736 00:43:42,453 --> 00:43:46,174 and we will drag it back to something familiar and compliant 737 00:43:46,290 --> 00:43:49,635 and we'll put it in the stable with all the other songs. 738 00:43:50,711 --> 00:43:53,965 But there is a moment when the song is still in charge 739 00:43:54,090 --> 00:43:56,513 and you're just clinging on for dear life 740 00:43:56,634 --> 00:44:00,264 and you're hoping you don't fall off and break your neck or something. 741 00:44:00,388 --> 00:44:02,937 It is that fleeting moment that we chase in the studio. 742 00:44:03,057 --> 00:44:06,436 NICK: How long was that? How long is it? 743 00:44:07,562 --> 00:44:09,564 (GUITAR PLAYING) 744 00:44:17,405 --> 00:44:20,158 # Can't remember anything at all 745 00:44:21,701 --> 00:44:25,797 # Flame trees line the streets 746 00:44:32,170 --> 00:44:35,640 # Can't remember anything at all 747 00:44:37,091 --> 00:44:42,268 # But I'm driving my car down to Geneva 748 00:44:47,351 --> 00:44:52,824 # I been sitting in my basement patio 749 00:44:52,940 --> 00:44:57,241 # Aye, it was hot 750 00:44:59,697 --> 00:45:05,795 # Up above, girls walk past 751 00:45:05,912 --> 00:45:11,510 # The roses all in bloom 752 00:45:13,669 --> 00:45:19,642 # Have you ever heard about the Higgs boson blues? 753 00:45:21,010 --> 00:45:24,605 # I'm going down to Geneva, baby 754 00:45:24,722 --> 00:45:28,397 # Gonna teach it to you 755 00:45:32,605 --> 00:45:34,733 # Who cares? 756 00:45:36,192 --> 00:45:41,790 # Who cares what the future brings? 757 00:45:45,534 --> 00:45:50,131 # Black road long And I drove and drove 758 00:45:50,248 --> 00:45:53,092 # I came upon a crossroad 759 00:45:53,209 --> 00:45:58,090 # The night was hot and black 760 00:45:59,799 --> 00:46:02,894 # I see Robert Johnson 761 00:46:03,010 --> 00:46:07,641 # With a ten-dollar guitar strapped to his back 762 00:46:07,765 --> 00:46:10,393 # Looking for a tune 763 00:46:13,020 --> 00:46:16,741 #Ah 764 00:46:16,857 --> 00:46:22,580 # Well, here comes Lucifer with his canon law 765 00:46:22,697 --> 00:46:30,707 # And a hundred black babies running from his genocidal jaw 766 00:46:32,748 --> 00:46:35,718 # He got the real killer groove 767 00:46:35,835 --> 00:46:39,089 # Robert Johnson and the devil, man 768 00:46:40,256 --> 00:46:45,558 # Dunno know who's gonna rip off who 769 00:46:47,305 --> 00:46:49,148 # Driving my car 770 00:46:49,223 --> 00:46:54,445 # Flame trees on fire 771 00:46:54,562 --> 00:46:56,405 # Sitting and singing 772 00:46:56,522 --> 00:47:00,743 # The Higgs boson blues 773 00:47:01,777 --> 00:47:04,371 # A shot rings out 774 00:47:04,488 --> 00:47:07,332 # To a spiritual groove 775 00:47:07,450 --> 00:47:11,455 # Everybody bleeding 776 00:47:11,579 --> 00:47:16,301 # To that Higgs boson blues 777 00:47:18,336 --> 00:47:20,259 # And if I die tonight 778 00:47:20,379 --> 00:47:27,763 # Bury me in my favourite patent yellow leather shoes 779 00:47:30,598 --> 00:47:33,272 # And with a mummified cat 780 00:47:34,310 --> 00:47:36,358 # And a cone-like hat 781 00:47:36,479 --> 00:47:44,239 # That the caliphate forced on the Jews 782 00:47:45,363 --> 00:47:47,616 # Can you feel my heartbeat? 783 00:47:48,741 --> 00:47:52,962 # Can you feel my heartbeat... # 784 00:47:55,498 --> 00:47:58,217 Ssh! 785 00:47:58,334 --> 00:48:00,712 (MUSIC QUIETENS) 786 00:48:00,836 --> 00:48:06,388 # Hannah Montana does the African savanna 787 00:48:06,509 --> 00:48:12,937 # As the simulated rainy season begins 788 00:48:14,850 --> 00:48:19,606 # She curses the queue at the Zulu 789 00:48:19,730 --> 00:48:28,332 # Moves on to Amazonia and cries with the dolphins 790 00:48:29,407 --> 00:48:31,705 # Can you feel my heartbeat? 791 00:48:33,077 --> 00:48:38,254 # Can you feel my heartbeat? 792 00:48:39,417 --> 00:48:42,296 # Can you feel my heartbeat? 793 00:48:43,337 --> 00:48:46,216 # Mama ate the pygmy 794 00:48:46,340 --> 00:48:48,968 # The pygmy ate the monkey 795 00:48:49,093 --> 00:48:52,313 # The monkey's got a gift, man 796 00:48:52,430 --> 00:48:55,900 # And he's sending it out to you 797 00:48:57,393 --> 00:49:00,112 # A little bit of smallpox 798 00:49:00,229 --> 00:49:04,075 # A little bit of flu Here come the missionary 799 00:49:04,191 --> 00:49:09,869 # He's saving them savages with the Higgs boson blues 800 00:49:09,989 --> 00:49:11,081 # Yeah 801 00:49:11,198 --> 00:49:13,451 # But can you feel my heartbeat? 802 00:49:13,576 --> 00:49:17,797 # Yeah, can you feel my heartbeat? 803 00:49:17,913 --> 00:49:20,336 # Can you feel my heartbeat? 804 00:49:21,459 --> 00:49:23,132 # Yeah, I'm driving my car 805 00:49:23,252 --> 00:49:25,425 # I wanna feel your heartbeat 806 00:49:25,546 --> 00:49:27,799 # I kiss your lips 807 00:49:29,008 --> 00:49:30,976 # I kiss your lips 808 00:49:31,093 --> 00:49:34,688 # Feel you deep inside 809 00:49:34,805 --> 00:49:38,150 # Waiting for me in Geneva... # 810 00:49:38,267 --> 00:49:40,144 Ssh! 811 00:49:40,269 --> 00:49:42,021 # Waiting in Geneva 812 00:49:43,772 --> 00:49:47,572 # Waiting for me in Geneva... # 813 00:49:47,693 --> 00:49:49,570 OK. 814 00:49:49,695 --> 00:49:52,073 Ssh! 815 00:49:53,532 --> 00:49:57,878 # Ah, let the damn day break 816 00:49:57,995 --> 00:50:04,002 # Rainy days always make me sad... # 817 00:50:06,253 --> 00:50:08,381 Ssh! 818 00:50:08,464 --> 00:50:14,813 # Miley Cyrus floats in a swimming pool in Toluca Lake 819 00:50:14,929 --> 00:50:19,400 # And you're the best girl I ever had 820 00:50:23,979 --> 00:50:27,700 # I can't remember anything at all. # 821 00:50:39,870 --> 00:50:42,293 NICK: Who knows their own story? 822 00:50:42,414 --> 00:50:45,964 Certainly, it makes no sense when we are living in the midst of it. 823 00:50:47,044 --> 00:50:48,967 It's all just clamour and confusion. 824 00:50:50,130 --> 00:50:54,135 It only becomes a story when we tell it and retell it. 825 00:50:55,094 --> 00:50:57,188 Our small precious recollections 826 00:50:57,263 --> 00:51:01,643 that we speak again and again to ourselves or to others. 827 00:51:03,102 --> 00:51:05,946 First, creating the narrative of our lives 828 00:51:06,021 --> 00:51:09,821 and then keeping the story from dissolving into darkness. 829 00:51:11,777 --> 00:51:14,121 - Hello? - JANINE: We're over here. 830 00:51:15,197 --> 00:51:16,949 Hi. What are we doing? 831 00:51:17,074 --> 00:51:20,078 Do you mind if we go through some of the photos your mother just sent us? 832 00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,248 - Hey, are you in this picture? - Where are you? 833 00:51:23,372 --> 00:51:25,875 - We...we can't actually identify you. - Well... 834 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,048 - Can you... - Yeah, I can see me. 835 00:51:28,168 --> 00:51:30,762 See that one with the ears, singing their little heart out? 836 00:51:30,879 --> 00:51:33,348 - JANINE: What, this kid? - NICK: Yeah. 837 00:51:33,424 --> 00:51:35,472 The one that's got "star" written all over him. 838 00:51:35,593 --> 00:51:38,016 (THEY LAUGH) 839 00:51:38,137 --> 00:51:39,559 JANINE: What else has Dawn sent over? 840 00:51:40,723 --> 00:51:44,023 I'm that guy with the beard and the dog collar. 841 00:51:44,101 --> 00:51:45,569 JANINE: Is that you there? 842 00:51:46,729 --> 00:51:48,447 NICK: Yeah. Gloomy, gloomy, gloomy. 843 00:51:48,564 --> 00:51:50,111 (JANINE LAUGHS) 844 00:51:51,775 --> 00:51:54,278 Yeah, I think that's from the high school 845 00:51:54,403 --> 00:51:56,246 - where I lived in the country town... - Right, so Wangaratta. 846 00:51:56,363 --> 00:51:58,457 - Wangaratta High School, yeah... - Northern Caulfield, yeah. 847 00:51:58,574 --> 00:52:03,080 ...and we had this barber that my mother used to fucking hate 848 00:52:03,203 --> 00:52:05,581 and, er...we all used to have this... get the same haircut. 849 00:52:05,664 --> 00:52:08,508 He used to cut everyone in Wangaratta's hair the same. 850 00:52:08,626 --> 00:52:13,097 He used to cut an angled fringe like that, because he thought you'd flick it back. 851 00:52:13,213 --> 00:52:15,887 But everyone just walked around with these things, and my mother... 852 00:52:16,008 --> 00:52:20,229 we used to come back and my mother used to rage against this barber. 853 00:52:22,056 --> 00:52:25,151 That's me as a...l don't know, a teenager or something. 854 00:52:25,267 --> 00:52:27,269 I was not really into sport and stuff like that, 855 00:52:27,394 --> 00:52:30,898 and there was a bunch of us that did art, 856 00:52:30,981 --> 00:52:33,700 which basically became The Boys Next Door. 857 00:52:33,817 --> 00:52:35,819 Oh! 858 00:52:35,944 --> 00:52:38,413 That's, um...Mick Harvey. 859 00:52:38,530 --> 00:52:40,453 That's back when he had good hair, 860 00:52:40,574 --> 00:52:42,952 and that's, um... 861 00:52:43,077 --> 00:52:46,456 that's me in the middle there with them. 862 00:52:46,580 --> 00:52:48,548 That's Tracy Pew. 863 00:52:48,624 --> 00:52:52,879 Tracy was one of those kind of guys that come out fully formed, 864 00:52:53,003 --> 00:52:55,005 very much like Rowland Howard as well. 865 00:52:55,130 --> 00:52:58,179 You know, they just sort of appeared, complete. 866 00:52:58,300 --> 00:53:00,678 But he was an amazing bass player, that guy, 867 00:53:00,803 --> 00:53:04,103 and really the heart and soul of The Birthday Party. 868 00:53:06,016 --> 00:53:09,236 There he is there. That's Mick, Rowland. 869 00:53:09,353 --> 00:53:12,698 That's a beautiful photograph, that one. 870 00:53:14,608 --> 00:53:18,408 There's a great photograph of Tracy being urinated on. Do you have that? 871 00:53:18,529 --> 00:53:21,373 Yeah, we do have that somewhere, don't we? 872 00:53:22,658 --> 00:53:28,381 OK, now, that is a concert in Cologne in 1981 873 00:53:28,497 --> 00:53:32,752 and I don't know if you can see, but this guy here is a German person, 874 00:53:32,876 --> 00:53:37,427 and he... That is Mick Harvey, you can see that classic profile, 875 00:53:37,548 --> 00:53:39,425 and he's...actually, we're playing King Ink 876 00:53:39,550 --> 00:53:42,429 - because he's playing, er...the drums. - Snare drum. 877 00:53:42,553 --> 00:53:45,102 He would play the snare drum in that song 878 00:53:45,180 --> 00:53:47,683 and this man here is urinating 879 00:53:47,808 --> 00:53:53,611 and you can see the stream of urine kind of arcing gracefully down 880 00:53:53,731 --> 00:53:55,950 into the, er...right-hand side of that picture. 881 00:53:56,066 --> 00:53:59,070 - Can you...can you show the next picture? - Sure. 882 00:54:00,654 --> 00:54:02,076 And there...there he is urinating. 883 00:54:02,197 --> 00:54:03,949 There is the stream of urine, 884 00:54:04,074 --> 00:54:08,045 and Tracy, noticing that the German person is urinating 885 00:54:08,162 --> 00:54:11,211 and moving towards the German person. 886 00:54:11,331 --> 00:54:12,958 Can you... 887 00:54:13,083 --> 00:54:18,385 Now Tracy is, er...deciding to push this person away. 888 00:54:18,464 --> 00:54:21,183 Mick is still playing away over here. 889 00:54:21,300 --> 00:54:22,643 Next. 890 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,981 There you have Mick still playing away there. 891 00:54:27,097 --> 00:54:29,976 Rowland over there oblivious to what's going on. 892 00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:33,320 Tracy's stopped playing the bass altogether and is now punching the guy 893 00:54:33,437 --> 00:54:36,316 and the guy's flying backwards off the stage. 894 00:54:37,733 --> 00:54:40,407 Yeah, it says a lot about the kind of gigs 895 00:54:40,527 --> 00:54:43,451 that we were doing with The Birthday Party at that stage, 896 00:54:43,572 --> 00:54:47,372 because we were billed by some promoter as 897 00:54:47,493 --> 00:54:49,666 the most violent live band in the world. 898 00:54:49,787 --> 00:54:55,885 So, what that meant was that every skinhead and biker 899 00:54:56,001 --> 00:55:00,973 and general kind of lowlife and, er...psychopath 900 00:55:01,089 --> 00:55:02,841 came along to these concerts. 901 00:55:02,966 --> 00:55:05,469 It seemed to us, towards the end of The Birthday Party, 902 00:55:05,594 --> 00:55:08,222 that it had very little to do with the music any more, 903 00:55:08,347 --> 00:55:10,349 and just people coming along to see 904 00:55:10,474 --> 00:55:12,772 what would happen at that particular gig, and, er... 905 00:55:12,893 --> 00:55:18,616 we were kind of getting some sort of joy out of disappointing everybody 906 00:55:18,732 --> 00:55:22,032 by just basically playing with our backs to the audience 907 00:55:22,152 --> 00:55:28,125 and hunker down together and do these shows towards...towards the very end. 908 00:55:31,203 --> 00:55:33,797 My last will and testament. 909 00:55:41,588 --> 00:55:44,683 OK, it seems like I wanted all my money, 910 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,519 which was nothing, I would say, at that time... 911 00:55:47,636 --> 00:55:48,512 (JANINE CHUCKLES) 912 00:55:48,637 --> 00:55:52,437 ...to go to the Nick Cave Memorial Museum... 913 00:55:52,558 --> 00:55:54,356 (LAUGHTER) 914 00:55:55,394 --> 00:55:58,398 ...a small but adequate room or rooms 915 00:55:58,522 --> 00:56:02,197 that will serve as the Nick Cave Memorial Museum. 916 00:56:02,317 --> 00:56:06,413 Yeah, I was always a kind of... ostentatious bastard. 917 00:56:07,948 --> 00:56:10,542 - JANINE: Do you remember writing it? - No. 918 00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:18,588 It was...'87 was a, er... it was a difficult year to remember, '87. 919 00:56:18,709 --> 00:56:22,213 Eighty-anything was difficult to remember, to be honest. 920 00:56:23,881 --> 00:56:25,428 You know, I shifted around continuously. 921 00:56:25,549 --> 00:56:29,349 I never really had my own place till quite late in the picture 922 00:56:29,469 --> 00:56:32,643 and I would kind of wear out my welcome wherever I was staying. 923 00:56:32,764 --> 00:56:35,267 But I would always have a table or a desk 924 00:56:35,392 --> 00:56:37,895 and kind of sweep it off and stick it in a box. 925 00:56:38,020 --> 00:56:41,900 I guess that's why there is actually an archive. 926 00:56:49,031 --> 00:56:52,911 That is my bedroom in Berlin 927 00:56:53,035 --> 00:56:55,754 and this room is just a kind of crawl space, actually, 928 00:56:55,871 --> 00:56:58,420 cos you have to climb up a little ladder to get into this thing. 929 00:56:58,540 --> 00:57:00,838 You can't actually stand up in here. 930 00:57:00,959 --> 00:57:04,839 So, it was just this wonderful kind of womb-like space, 931 00:57:04,963 --> 00:57:06,590 which had a mattress where I could sleep, 932 00:57:06,715 --> 00:57:09,264 and this is where I was writing And The Ass Saw The Angel. 933 00:57:09,384 --> 00:57:13,309 I spent quite a lot of time at the Berlin flea market, 934 00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:15,603 which happened every Saturday morning, 935 00:57:15,724 --> 00:57:18,477 and I got an incredible kind of collection 936 00:57:18,602 --> 00:57:25,907 of, um...pornography and religious art and icons in general, 937 00:57:25,984 --> 00:57:29,079 and I came across this chocolate box... 938 00:57:30,405 --> 00:57:33,750 ...and opened it up, and inside the chocolate box, wrapped in tissue paper, 939 00:57:33,867 --> 00:57:39,089 were these three locks, very long, of hair, 940 00:57:39,206 --> 00:57:43,302 and they were, um... from different heads, I think, 941 00:57:43,418 --> 00:57:47,093 and that's actually it in the...hanging there in the photograph there, right? 942 00:57:47,214 --> 00:57:51,310 And hair like this has always been something that I come back to all the time 943 00:57:51,426 --> 00:57:53,474 in songwriting, actually. 944 00:57:53,595 --> 00:57:56,144 Do you know what this stuff here is? 945 00:57:56,223 --> 00:57:59,352 Are these torn-out pages or is this your handwriting? 946 00:57:59,476 --> 00:58:06,530 I think they're ripped out of a book and kind of written into. I don't know. 947 00:58:07,985 --> 00:58:10,864 Um...l don't know. It's just shit, isn't it? 948 00:58:11,947 --> 00:58:16,202 But important shit...for me, at the time. 949 00:58:18,412 --> 00:58:20,915 I'll tell you an amazing thing that happened with that room. 950 00:58:21,039 --> 00:58:24,168 I used to leave the door open and...and I was on the second floor, 951 00:58:24,292 --> 00:58:28,013 and there was this guy called Chris, he lived on the top floor, 952 00:58:28,130 --> 00:58:29,757 and one day I was writing away at the desk 953 00:58:29,881 --> 00:58:31,758 and...and sort of looked up and he's standing, 954 00:58:31,883 --> 00:58:36,764 and I could see he was kind of fascinated by what was on the walls 955 00:58:36,888 --> 00:58:39,232 and he said, "Do you wanna come up to my room 956 00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:42,853 "and have a look what I've got upstairs?" Right? And I said, "Yeah, all right." 957 00:58:42,978 --> 00:58:47,199 And so we went up to his, um... to this little flat he had up the top 958 00:58:47,315 --> 00:58:49,363 and he opened it up, we went into the living room, 959 00:58:49,484 --> 00:58:52,954 and everywhere there was, er...nativity stuff from Christmas. 960 00:58:53,071 --> 00:58:57,042 He would make a star and he would cut it out of fluorescent cardboard, 961 00:58:57,159 --> 00:59:00,083 and then he would cut another little tiny one out of that 962 00:59:00,203 --> 00:59:01,546 and then another tiny one out of that. 963 00:59:01,621 --> 00:59:02,838 It must have taken an hour or something 964 00:59:02,956 --> 00:59:05,425 to make one of these tiny little... these little stars, 965 00:59:05,500 --> 00:59:07,844 and there were fucking thousands of them all over the wall, 966 00:59:07,961 --> 00:59:10,180 and I'm like, "Fuck, man, this is unbelievable. 967 00:59:10,297 --> 00:59:14,928 "This is like the most beautiful thing, er...l can imagine.โ€œ 968 00:59:15,052 --> 00:59:18,647 And he had all these sort of glass-topped tables 969 00:59:18,764 --> 00:59:21,563 and he kind of said, "Check this out," like that, and I'm like, "Mm." 970 00:59:21,683 --> 00:59:23,777 And he turns off the main lights 971 00:59:23,894 --> 00:59:26,488 and then shines these other ones that come up from the floor 972 00:59:26,605 --> 00:59:30,405 and they cast light all up through the tables, 973 00:59:30,525 --> 00:59:32,527 er...which have these pictures of Jesus 974 00:59:32,652 --> 00:59:33,778 - and baby Jesus and all that. - Yeah. 975 00:59:33,862 --> 00:59:36,456 So, suddenly these pictures of Jesus disappear 976 00:59:36,573 --> 00:59:39,122 and then it's all just these kind of page three girls all kind of going... 977 00:59:39,242 --> 00:59:41,540 - Wow, yeah. - Kind of soft porn, 978 00:59:41,620 --> 00:59:44,499 kind of Playboy stuff, which had obviously attracted him when he... 979 00:59:44,581 --> 00:59:46,208 - KIRK: Yeah. - ...looked in my room, 980 00:59:46,333 --> 00:59:48,677 and suddenly this whole room had changed into this thing, 981 00:59:48,794 --> 00:59:53,800 and it was the most incredible kind of moving sort of thing 982 00:59:53,924 --> 00:59:55,722 - that this lonely guy had... - Yeah. 983 00:59:55,842 --> 00:59:58,891 ...had been working on for... for years and years, you know... 984 00:59:59,012 --> 01:00:00,434 - Yeah. - ...It must have taken him to do this, 985 01:00:00,555 --> 01:00:02,523 and this sort of stuff that I have here 986 01:00:02,641 --> 01:00:04,109 - pales in significance... - Yeah. 987 01:00:04,184 --> 01:00:07,779 ...to the kind of monomania of this incredible room. 988 01:00:07,896 --> 01:00:12,618 It really stayed with me, that kind of power to transform yourself... 989 01:00:12,734 --> 01:00:14,156 Yeah. 990 01:00:14,277 --> 01:00:16,575 ...by what you can do with the imagination. 991 01:00:16,696 --> 01:00:17,822 Yeah. 992 01:00:17,948 --> 01:00:19,950 Anyway, I always remember that guy. 993 01:00:21,535 --> 01:00:22,661 (SYNTHESIZER PLAYS) 994 01:00:24,204 --> 01:00:26,127 - NICK: Er...Woz? - WARREN: Yeah? 995 01:00:26,248 --> 01:00:28,967 You're starting it off with the, er...backward fourth, right? 996 01:00:29,084 --> 01:00:30,461 - Yeah. - Like am I doing that... 997 01:00:30,585 --> 01:00:33,304 - # I was wrong... # - Yeah, you are doing that. 998 01:00:39,511 --> 01:00:41,513 When...when do you come in? 999 01:00:42,556 --> 01:00:44,479 When does Marty come in? 1000 01:00:45,517 --> 01:00:47,861 WARREN: After your little thing and it goes... 1001 01:00:47,978 --> 01:00:49,321 (SYNTHESIZER PLAYS) 1002 01:00:49,437 --> 01:00:52,907 # I was riding, I was riding 1003 01:00:54,651 --> 01:00:56,870 # Over the hills 1004 01:00:59,739 --> 01:01:01,707 # Yeah 1005 01:01:03,618 --> 01:01:06,417 # The sun, the sun, the sun 1006 01:01:06,538 --> 01:01:10,884 # It was rising up over the hills 1007 01:01:11,877 --> 01:01:13,629 # Yeah 1008 01:01:44,201 --> 01:01:49,674 # I got a feeling I just can't shake 1009 01:01:51,082 --> 01:01:52,834 # I got a feeling 1010 01:01:52,959 --> 01:01:56,054 # It just won't go away 1011 01:01:56,171 --> 01:01:58,139 # You've gotta just 1012 01:01:58,256 --> 01:02:04,935 # Keep on pushing 1013 01:02:05,055 --> 01:02:10,107 # Push the sky away 1014 01:02:11,144 --> 01:02:15,775 # Some people say that it's just rock'n'roll 1015 01:02:17,484 --> 01:02:21,910 # Oh, but it gets you right down to your soul 1016 01:02:22,030 --> 01:02:28,379 # You've gotta just keep on pushing 1017 01:02:28,495 --> 01:02:32,090 # Keep on pushing 1018 01:02:32,207 --> 01:02:36,462 # Push the sky away 1019 01:02:48,556 --> 01:02:54,029 # You've gotta just keep on pushing 1020 01:02:54,104 --> 01:02:57,483 # Keep on pushing 1021 01:02:57,607 --> 01:03:01,783 ii Push the sky away... ii 1022 01:03:07,158 --> 01:03:08,660 (MUSIC STOPS) 1023 01:03:12,289 --> 01:03:16,419 KIRK: One of the things we wanted to find out more about was the weather diaries. 1024 01:03:16,501 --> 01:03:21,223 Well, basically, this is a daily inventory of the weather, 1025 01:03:21,339 --> 01:03:24,263 and what really happened was that I was an Australian living in England... 1026 01:03:24,342 --> 01:03:26,640 - KIRK: Yeah. - ...and was becoming increasingly upset 1027 01:03:26,761 --> 01:03:31,392 by the relentless miserable weather 1028 01:03:31,516 --> 01:03:36,773 that...that, you know... that...that England has. 1029 01:03:36,896 --> 01:03:40,946 As a way of kind of taking control of that in some way... 1030 01:03:42,193 --> 01:03:44,992 ...or turning it to my advantage, I decided to write about it, 1031 01:03:45,113 --> 01:03:47,912 and because bad weather is much more interesting to write about 1032 01:03:48,033 --> 01:03:49,410 - than good weather... - KIRK: Yeah. 1033 01:03:49,534 --> 01:03:52,959 ...I was quite happy when I would wake up and it was a miserable, stormy... 1034 01:03:53,079 --> 01:03:54,581 - KIRK: Yeah. - ...cold, windy day. 1035 01:03:54,664 --> 01:03:57,713 NICK: The entries sort of grew into other things as well, 1036 01:03:57,834 --> 01:04:02,340 and Susie was heavily pregnant at the time, with the twins. 1037 01:04:02,422 --> 01:04:04,971 So, she features in it a lot. 1038 01:04:05,091 --> 01:04:08,561 There's a sequence where you see two men in a van very briefly, 1039 01:04:08,678 --> 01:04:11,306 and you say you forgot to write about them until five days later. 1040 01:04:11,431 --> 01:04:14,776 But you think about them all the time and you question yourself in here 1041 01:04:14,893 --> 01:04:17,772 as to whether it's because you're thinking about twins. 1042 01:04:21,024 --> 01:04:24,278 NICK: Ah, well, you know, on one level, I'm a very practical kind of person 1043 01:04:24,402 --> 01:04:26,370 about the way I go about certain things. 1044 01:04:26,488 --> 01:04:30,914 But, er...there's another side that's very superstitious, and I can tend towards 1045 01:04:31,034 --> 01:04:33,002 seeing sort of things in things, 1046 01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:37,124 especially if the basic day, which...which this is, 1047 01:04:37,248 --> 01:04:40,627 is starting to be kind of churned in the mill of the imagination, 1048 01:04:40,752 --> 01:04:43,005 and that's what's happening with, er...the weather. 1049 01:04:43,129 --> 01:04:44,597 The weather is becoming not real, 1050 01:04:44,714 --> 01:04:47,558 it's becoming fictitious because I'm writing about it. 1051 01:04:47,675 --> 01:04:50,599 - The weather is becoming a lie... - KIRK: OK. 1052 01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:53,223 ...and what's going on is... 1053 01:04:53,348 --> 01:04:56,397 My day-to-day life is becoming a lie, 1054 01:04:56,518 --> 01:05:00,739 because it's...it's becoming an imaginative exercise, 1055 01:05:00,855 --> 01:05:06,612 and I think on some level I was very frightened about having the twins. 1056 01:05:06,736 --> 01:05:11,663 You know, I think that I was, er...scared out of my wits. 1057 01:05:11,741 --> 01:05:15,871 And then it stops in June 2000 and restarts in August 2001. 1058 01:05:15,995 --> 01:05:18,623 - NICK: Right. - Do you know why there's... 1059 01:05:18,748 --> 01:05:20,000 - NICK: No. - ...a gap? 1060 01:05:20,125 --> 01:05:22,628 I don't know. Maybe because we had the babies. 1061 01:05:22,752 --> 01:05:25,722 KIRK: It's a beautiful last line to end on. 1062 01:05:25,839 --> 01:05:29,469 "The sky out of my window has gone real blue now." 1063 01:05:31,469 --> 01:05:35,770 NICK: The sky in Brighton is unlike anything I've ever seen. 1064 01:05:35,890 --> 01:05:38,484 Living by the sea, looking out my windows, 1065 01:05:38,601 --> 01:05:41,696 I feel like I'm part of the weather itself. 1066 01:05:41,813 --> 01:05:44,566 Sometimes the sky is so blue 1067 01:05:44,691 --> 01:05:48,867 and the reflection of the sea so dazzling you can't even look at it, 1068 01:05:48,987 --> 01:05:54,369 and other times, great black thunderheads roll across the ocean 1069 01:05:54,492 --> 01:05:57,996 and you feel like you're inside the storm itself. 1070 01:05:59,539 --> 01:06:02,088 What I fear most is nature. 1071 01:06:02,208 --> 01:06:05,803 Now that it's sent its weather to exact revenge, 1072 01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,469 we're all in for it now. 1073 01:06:08,590 --> 01:06:11,434 Soon the weather is gonna put on a real show. 1074 01:06:12,677 --> 01:06:17,399 Funnily enough, the more I write about the weather, the worse it seems to get 1075 01:06:17,515 --> 01:06:19,688 and the more interesting it becomes 1076 01:06:19,809 --> 01:06:23,689 and the more it moulds itself to the narrative I have set for it. 1077 01:06:25,482 --> 01:06:28,736 You know, I can control the weather with my moods. 1078 01:06:28,860 --> 01:06:31,704 I just can't control my moods is all. 1079 01:06:37,869 --> 01:06:39,621 That's me and Kylie. 1080 01:06:39,746 --> 01:06:41,748 I'm wearing shorts there. 1081 01:06:41,873 --> 01:06:43,546 JANINE: What happened with Kylie, Nick? 1082 01:06:43,666 --> 01:06:45,839 I'd just written this song, Where The Wild Roses Grow, 1083 01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:47,257 and wanted her to sing on it 1084 01:06:47,378 --> 01:06:50,928 and we were just trying to find out how to get to Kylie 1085 01:06:51,049 --> 01:06:54,394 and she had management that was very protective of her 1086 01:06:54,511 --> 01:06:55,558 and protective of her image... 1087 01:06:55,678 --> 01:06:57,271 - JANINE: Yeah. - ...and all of that sort of thing. 1088 01:06:57,388 --> 01:07:00,392 But she happened to be going out with Michael Hutchence. 1089 01:07:00,517 --> 01:07:03,066 So...we managed to get hold of Michael 1090 01:07:03,186 --> 01:07:06,440 and she was sitting next to him when...when we rang. 1091 01:07:06,564 --> 01:07:09,818 We said, "Can you ask Kylie if she'll come in and sing a song for us? 1092 01:07:09,901 --> 01:07:10,868 "We have this song." 1093 01:07:10,985 --> 01:07:12,908 And we ended up on Top Of The Pops... 1094 01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:13,951 Mm. 1095 01:07:14,072 --> 01:07:17,201 ...and that whole event, around Kylie, 1096 01:07:17,325 --> 01:07:20,750 kind of lives in this sort of weird kind of bubble 1097 01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:24,044 where life for that brief time was kind of different, 1098 01:07:24,165 --> 01:07:27,840 because we were suddenly thrown into this weird situation 1099 01:07:27,961 --> 01:07:29,884 of having a hit record, 1100 01:07:30,004 --> 01:07:33,929 and then, obviously, people bought the album and listened to it, 1101 01:07:34,050 --> 01:07:37,054 and realised that, you know, that would be the last time they would... 1102 01:07:37,178 --> 01:07:40,899 they would, er...have anything to do with Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds again. 1103 01:07:41,015 --> 01:07:42,312 But for that moment, it was... 1104 01:07:42,433 --> 01:07:46,654 it was kind of a...for me, a very special moment in time, you know. 1105 01:07:46,771 --> 01:07:49,320 (MUSIC PLAYING) 1106 01:07:57,490 --> 01:08:00,039 NICK: Louis Wain. Look at that. 1107 01:08:00,159 --> 01:08:02,628 That's The Fire Of The Mind Agitates The Atmosphere, that. 1108 01:08:04,664 --> 01:08:07,133 Do you have my copy of Lolita? 1109 01:08:24,434 --> 01:08:26,402 That's Anita. Yeah. 1110 01:08:29,188 --> 01:08:31,316 That's Susie. 1111 01:08:31,441 --> 01:08:34,069 The word "muse" I often feel reluctant to use, 1112 01:08:34,193 --> 01:08:38,790 because it feels like the muse is something ethereal and out there. 1113 01:08:38,906 --> 01:08:40,328 It's not for me. 1114 01:08:40,450 --> 01:08:42,919 The songs are very much about people 1115 01:08:43,036 --> 01:08:46,210 and...and it's these people that kind of prop up the songs. 1116 01:08:46,331 --> 01:08:47,878 If I sing a song like Deanna, 1117 01:08:47,999 --> 01:08:53,005 it's very much three minutes or whatever with the memory of that person. 1118 01:08:53,129 --> 01:08:56,349 Not that I have any interest in the way that that person is now, 1119 01:08:56,466 --> 01:08:59,470 but I have a huge interest in the memory of that person. 1120 01:08:59,594 --> 01:09:05,146 The mythologized, edited kind of memory of that person. 1121 01:09:05,266 --> 01:09:09,112 There's a slide that I want to show you. If you just switch the lights off. 1122 01:09:20,740 --> 01:09:24,165 That's my absolute favourite photograph of Susie. 1123 01:09:24,285 --> 01:09:26,538 It staggers me that, um... 1124 01:09:26,621 --> 01:09:29,374 Susie, who has this kind of innate relationship with the camera... 1125 01:09:29,499 --> 01:09:30,421 KIRK: Yeah. 1126 01:09:30,500 --> 01:09:35,381 ...can be so fiercely, er... reluctant to be photographed, 1127 01:09:35,505 --> 01:09:40,102 and...it's really that framing of the face, 1128 01:09:40,218 --> 01:09:44,143 of the hair, the black hair, and the framing of the white face 1129 01:09:44,222 --> 01:09:47,271 that's really, er...interesting. 1130 01:09:49,018 --> 01:09:53,114 There's an audio clip that I wanted to play through to you as well. 1131 01:09:53,231 --> 01:09:55,233 If you just wanna listen to this one. 1132 01:09:55,358 --> 01:10:00,660 NICK: The first time I saw Susie was at the Victoria & Albert Museum in London 1133 01:10:00,780 --> 01:10:02,953 and when she came walking in, 1134 01:10:03,074 --> 01:10:07,750 all the things I had obsessed over for all the years - pictures of movie stars, 1135 01:10:07,870 --> 01:10:11,750 Jenny Agutter in the billabong, Anita Ekberg in the fountain, 1136 01:10:11,874 --> 01:10:13,968 Ali MacGraw in her black tights, 1137 01:10:14,085 --> 01:10:16,429 images from the TV when I was a kid, 1138 01:10:16,504 --> 01:10:19,758 Barbara Eden and Elizabeth Montgomery and Abigail, 1139 01:10:19,882 --> 01:10:24,558 Miss World competitions, Marilyn Monroe and Jennifer Jones and Bo Derek 1140 01:10:24,679 --> 01:10:26,431 and Angie Dickinson as Police Woman, 1141 01:10:26,556 --> 01:10:32,484 Maria Falconetti and Suzi Quatro, Bolshoi ballerinas and Russian gymnasts, 1142 01:10:32,603 --> 01:10:36,358 Wonder Woman and Barbarella and supermodels and Page 3 girls, 1143 01:10:36,482 --> 01:10:39,656 all the endless, impossible fantasies, 1144 01:10:39,777 --> 01:10:42,872 the young girls at the Wangaratta pool lying on the hot concrete, 1145 01:10:42,989 --> 01:10:45,708 Courbet's Origin Of The World, 1146 01:10:45,783 --> 01:10:49,333 Bataille's bowl of milk, Jean Simmons' nose ring, 1147 01:10:49,454 --> 01:10:52,082 all the stuff I had heard and seen and read. 1148 01:10:53,332 --> 01:10:55,426 Advertising and TV commercials, 1149 01:10:55,501 --> 01:10:59,301 billboards and fashion spreads and Playmate of the Month, 1150 01:10:59,380 --> 01:11:01,724 Caroline Jones dying in Elvis's arms, 1151 01:11:01,841 --> 01:11:05,141 Jackie O in mourning, Tinker Bell trapped in the drawer, 1152 01:11:05,219 --> 01:11:09,315 all the continuing, never-ending drip-feed of erotic data 1153 01:11:09,432 --> 01:11:14,279 came together at that moment in one great big crash-bang 1154 01:11:14,395 --> 01:11:16,944 and I was lost to her 1155 01:11:17,023 --> 01:11:19,321 and that was that. 1156 01:11:21,819 --> 01:11:23,071 (SEAGULLS CRY 1157 01:11:38,252 --> 01:11:42,223 Sometimes it feels like the ghosts of the past are all about and crowding in, 1158 01:11:42,340 --> 01:11:44,342 vying for space and recognition. 1159 01:11:46,344 --> 01:11:50,099 They are no longer content to be kept down there in the dark. 1160 01:11:50,181 --> 01:11:52,309 They have been there too long. 1161 01:11:52,433 --> 01:11:56,279 They are angry and gathering strength and calling for attention. 1162 01:11:58,272 --> 01:12:01,446 They're clawing their way into the future and will be waiting there. 1163 01:12:02,527 --> 01:12:03,995 Have I remembered them enough? 1164 01:12:05,613 --> 01:12:07,661 Have I honored them sufficiently? 1165 01:12:07,740 --> 01:12:09,959 Have I done my best to keep them alive? 1166 01:12:11,035 --> 01:12:13,037 KYLIE: There's the pier. 1167 01:12:13,162 --> 01:12:15,506 You were so important in my life. 1168 01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:22,681 You were like this kind of mist that rolled in, 1169 01:12:22,797 --> 01:12:26,722 cos I knew about you and... and I'd heard about... 1170 01:12:26,843 --> 01:12:29,062 your desire to do this song, 1171 01:12:29,178 --> 01:12:33,433 and then I saw you perform live with The Bad Seeds and it was like, โ€Uh!โ€ 1172 01:12:33,558 --> 01:12:36,653 You were walking up this ramp to go on stage. It was like a scene from a film. 1173 01:12:36,769 --> 01:12:39,818 You all just had this kind of swagger and the energy, 1174 01:12:39,939 --> 01:12:42,533 you know, when you're building up to go on stage, 1175 01:12:42,650 --> 01:12:45,278 and then the performance was just electrifying, 1176 01:12:45,403 --> 01:12:48,282 and your body language, you were like this... 1177 01:12:48,406 --> 01:12:50,750 like a...like a tree. 1178 01:12:51,868 --> 01:12:53,666 - (LAUGHS) - That probably doesn't sound... 1179 01:12:53,786 --> 01:12:55,129 - Like a big tree? - Like a... 1180 01:12:55,246 --> 01:13:00,377 you know, like from a Hitchcock film, a kind of tree in...in silhouette, 1181 01:13:00,459 --> 01:13:02,507 like really in a storm or something. 1182 01:13:02,628 --> 01:13:04,972 It was...it was amazing. 1183 01:13:05,089 --> 01:13:07,057 Cos you didn't know much about what I did, right? 1184 01:13:07,174 --> 01:13:10,178 No, I had to speed-read your biography. 1185 01:13:10,261 --> 01:13:12,935 - Oh, you read that thing? - Yeah. 1186 01:13:14,056 --> 01:13:16,104 - That wasn't the truth, though. - (LAUGHS) 1187 01:13:25,359 --> 01:13:27,236 NICK: Are you worried about being forgotten? 1188 01:13:27,361 --> 01:13:31,241 Yeah, I worry about being forgotten and about being lonely. 1189 01:13:32,283 --> 01:13:33,205 - Oh, really? - Yeah. 1190 01:13:33,326 --> 01:13:36,671 - You had waxworks made of you. - I had multiple waxworks. 1191 01:13:36,787 --> 01:13:38,130 How many? 1192 01:13:38,247 --> 01:13:40,500 I think I had five. 1193 01:13:40,583 --> 01:13:42,256 - Well, at a certain point... - I'm really jealous of you. 1194 01:13:42,376 --> 01:13:43,468 ...the story went that 1195 01:13:43,544 --> 01:13:46,263 the only person who had more waxworks than me was the Queen. 1196 01:13:46,380 --> 01:13:47,472 Is that right? 1197 01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:49,684 I don't know if that's still a fact, but it was at the time. 1198 01:13:51,385 --> 01:13:56,642 KYLIE: I remember Michael Hutchence telling me that he was short-sighted 1199 01:13:56,766 --> 01:14:01,397 and he tried wearing glasses or contacts to see the audience, 1200 01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,397 and it terrified him so much he never did again. 1201 01:14:03,522 --> 01:14:05,524 - Oh, is that right? - We spoke about that 1202 01:14:05,650 --> 01:14:10,907 because the first time I saw INXS play, I thought that he'd looked at me, 1203 01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:13,374 which an audience member is supposed to do. 1204 01:14:13,491 --> 01:14:15,994 Everyone in the audience should feel like you've looked at them, 1205 01:14:16,118 --> 01:14:20,373 and it became apparent that he probably never saw me, just a blur. 1206 01:14:20,498 --> 01:14:25,379 But he had a kind of way of projecting outwards. I'm envious of that. 1207 01:14:25,461 --> 01:14:27,384 I'm very much a front-row kind of guy. 1208 01:14:27,505 --> 01:14:31,851 I don't feel I'm that kind of performer that can... 1209 01:14:33,636 --> 01:14:34,979 reach out that far, you know. 1210 01:14:35,096 --> 01:14:37,315 For me, there's a kind of psychodrama 1211 01:14:37,431 --> 01:14:40,981 that goes on between singular people in the front row 1212 01:14:41,060 --> 01:14:43,233 that becomes very important in the... 1213 01:14:43,354 --> 01:14:46,654 in the telling of the... the narratives of the songs. 1214 01:14:46,774 --> 01:14:49,778 I get a huge amount of energy from... 1215 01:14:49,860 --> 01:14:52,033 From picking out singular... 1216 01:14:52,154 --> 01:14:53,872 People, and terrifying them. 1217 01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:55,913 Really? Do you make it your mission to terrify them? 1218 01:14:56,033 --> 01:14:59,082 Well, it's that kind of, um... mixture of awe and terror 1219 01:14:59,203 --> 01:15:02,127 that you can get from one person or a small group of people 1220 01:15:02,248 --> 01:15:04,592 - that is really, um... - Mm. 1221 01:15:04,709 --> 01:15:11,843 ...that gives a huge amount of, er... energy to...to kind of transform yourself. 1222 01:15:21,767 --> 01:15:23,735 # Ooh 1223 01:15:23,853 --> 01:15:26,948 # Ah, let the damn day break 1224 01:15:28,858 --> 01:15:30,235 # Ooh 1225 01:15:30,359 --> 01:15:32,782 # Rainy days 1226 01:15:34,196 --> 01:15:36,494 # Always make me sad 1227 01:15:36,615 --> 01:15:38,743 # Ooh 1228 01:15:38,868 --> 01:15:45,126 # Miley Cyrus floats in a swimming pool in Toluca Lake... # 1229 01:15:47,084 --> 01:15:49,132 (CROWD CHEER) 1230 01:15:49,253 --> 01:15:52,632 # You're the best girl I ever had... # 1231 01:15:52,757 --> 01:15:55,681 (CHEERING) 1232 01:15:57,219 --> 01:15:59,517 # Can you feel my heartbeat? 1233 01:16:00,848 --> 01:16:03,192 # Can you feel my heartbeat? 1234 01:16:04,226 --> 01:16:07,400 # I'm driving my car down to Geneva 1235 01:16:12,985 --> 01:16:15,204 # I'm driving 1236 01:16:17,907 --> 01:16:20,160 # Can you feel my heartbeat... # 1237 01:16:23,996 --> 01:16:26,374 (CROWD CHEERS AND CLAPS) 1238 01:16:29,877 --> 01:16:32,881 # I'm driving my car 1239 01:16:34,799 --> 01:16:37,473 # Can't remember anything at all... # 1240 01:16:40,471 --> 01:16:43,145 (AUDIENCE CHEER) 1241 01:16:47,269 --> 01:16:49,897 # Can't remember anything at all 1242 01:16:50,981 --> 01:16:52,654 # Sitting here 1243 01:16:52,775 --> 01:16:57,201 # In my basement patio. # 1244 01:16:58,531 --> 01:17:00,533 (AUDIENCE CHEER) 1245 01:17:13,379 --> 01:17:15,177 (DOOR CREAKS) 1246 01:17:31,981 --> 01:17:33,608 (FILM PLAYING) 1247 01:17:33,732 --> 01:17:36,235 (CHUCKLING) No. 1248 01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:37,953 No? You don't want any? 1249 01:17:39,155 --> 01:17:40,748 AL PACINO: You wanna fuck with me? 1250 01:17:40,823 --> 01:17:42,825 (FILM CHARACTER SHOUTS) 1251 01:17:44,201 --> 01:17:46,249 You fucking with the best! 1252 01:17:46,370 --> 01:17:48,372 You want some? 1253 01:17:49,957 --> 01:17:52,460 You wanna fuck with me? OK. 1254 01:17:56,046 --> 01:17:57,889 (THEY CHUCKLE) 1255 01:17:58,007 --> 01:18:00,305 You wanna play games? OK. 1256 01:18:01,552 --> 01:18:02,678 Come on. 1257 01:18:04,930 --> 01:18:07,103 OK. You wanna play rough? OK! 1258 01:18:08,100 --> 01:18:10,194 - Say hello to my little friend! - Say hello to my little friend! 1259 01:18:10,311 --> 01:18:12,484 (GUNFIRE) 1260 01:18:13,522 --> 01:18:18,244 # Ya, ya, ya, Ya! 1261 01:18:19,278 --> 01:18:20,404 # Ya, ya, ya, Ya! 1262 01:18:22,156 --> 01:18:23,749 # Ya, ya, ya, Ya! 1263 01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:32,425 # Ya, ya, ya, Ya! 1264 01:18:32,499 --> 01:18:35,878 # Ya, ya, ya, ya! # 1265 01:18:36,921 --> 01:18:38,389 (CROWD CHEERING) 1266 01:18:38,505 --> 01:18:40,382 # Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah 1267 01:18:41,634 --> 01:18:43,386 # Oh, no, no, no... # 1268 01:18:44,553 --> 01:18:46,601 (GUITAR STARTS UP) 1269 01:18:55,940 --> 01:18:58,113 # Well, in come the Devil 1270 01:19:01,028 --> 01:19:06,034 # Said, "I've come to take you down Mr Stagger Lee" 1271 01:19:08,661 --> 01:19:12,086 # Well, those were the last words that the Devil said 1272 01:19:12,206 --> 01:19:14,504 # Cos Stag put four holes 1273 01:19:14,625 --> 01:19:17,219 # In his mother...fucking 1274 01:19:18,295 --> 01:19:20,969 # Head 1275 01:19:21,090 --> 01:19:26,090 # Ya, ya, ya, Ya! 1276 01:19:37,481 --> 01:19:40,325 # Ya, ya, ya, Ya! 1277 01:19:40,442 --> 01:19:43,412 # Ya, ya, ya, ya! # 1278 01:19:55,541 --> 01:19:57,464 (CROWD CHEER) 1279 01:20:03,215 --> 01:20:05,263 (CHEERING) 1280 01:20:10,014 --> 01:20:11,857 (CHEERING AND WHISTLING) 1281 01:20:14,435 --> 01:20:16,062 (CHEERING FADES) 1282 01:20:23,902 --> 01:20:25,779 (SEAGULLS CRY 1283 01:20:25,904 --> 01:20:30,284 NICK: The song is heroic, because the song confronts death. 1284 01:20:31,827 --> 01:20:36,378 The song is immortal and bravely stares down our own extinction. 1285 01:20:45,883 --> 01:20:50,559 The song emerges from the spirit world with a true message. 1286 01:20:51,722 --> 01:20:55,101 One day, I will tell you how to slay the dragon. 1287 01:21:00,481 --> 01:21:02,950 (CHEERING) 1288 01:21:11,825 --> 01:21:13,793 (CROWD CHEERS) 1289 01:21:16,872 --> 01:21:19,500 (some STARTS) 1290 01:21:41,980 --> 01:21:43,948 NICK: All of our days are numbered. 1291 01:21:44,942 --> 01:21:46,944 We cannot afford to be idle. 1292 01:21:48,028 --> 01:21:52,454 To act on a bad idea is better than to not act at all... 1293 01:21:53,450 --> 01:21:57,921 ...because the worth of the idea never becomes apparent until you do it. 1294 01:22:00,082 --> 01:22:04,258 Sometimes this idea can be the smallest thing in the world, 1295 01:22:04,378 --> 01:22:07,973 a little flame that you hunch over and cup with your hand 1296 01:22:08,090 --> 01:22:12,436 and pray will not be extinguished by all the storm that howls about it. 1297 01:22:13,762 --> 01:22:19,110 If you can hold on to that flame, great things can be constructed around it 1298 01:22:19,226 --> 01:22:23,322 that are massive and powerful and world-changing... 1299 01:22:25,315 --> 01:22:28,364 ...all held up by the tiniest of ideas. 1300 01:22:31,113 --> 01:22:33,957 - (MUSIC PLAYING) - (CROWD CHEERS) 1301 01:22:38,495 --> 01:22:41,123 # The problem was 1302 01:22:41,248 --> 01:22:44,593 # She had a little black book 1303 01:22:47,629 --> 01:22:50,303 # And my name 1304 01:22:50,382 --> 01:22:53,682 # It was written 1305 01:22:53,802 --> 01:22:56,681 # On every page 1306 01:23:00,100 --> 01:23:03,024 # Well, a girl's got to make ends meet 1307 01:23:03,145 --> 01:23:07,525 # Especially down on Jubilee Street 1308 01:23:14,573 --> 01:23:20,125 # I ought to practice what I preach 1309 01:23:23,832 --> 01:23:27,052 # These days I go down town 1310 01:23:29,129 --> 01:23:34,260 # In my tie and tails 1311 01:23:35,636 --> 01:23:38,389 # I got a foetus 1312 01:23:41,016 --> 01:23:43,064 # On a leash 1313 01:23:46,730 --> 01:23:49,825 # I am alone now 1314 01:23:49,900 --> 01:23:53,450 # I am beyond recriminations 1315 01:23:54,780 --> 01:23:57,659 # The curtains are shut 1316 01:23:57,741 --> 01:23:59,960 # The furniture has gone 1317 01:24:00,994 --> 01:24:03,713 # I am transforming 1318 01:24:03,830 --> 01:24:06,128 # I am vibrating 1319 01:24:06,250 --> 01:24:08,423 # I am glowing 1320 01:24:08,502 --> 01:24:11,221 # Yeah, look at me now 1321 01:24:11,338 --> 01:24:13,340 # I'm transforming 1322 01:24:13,465 --> 01:24:15,467 # I'm vibrating 1323 01:24:15,592 --> 01:24:17,765 # Look at me now 1324 01:24:21,890 --> 01:24:24,234 # Yes, I am flying 1325 01:24:24,351 --> 01:24:26,945 # I'm vibrating 1326 01:24:27,020 --> 01:24:28,897 # Look at me now 1327 01:24:33,026 --> 01:24:35,370 # Yeah 1328 01:25:30,083 --> 01:25:32,006 # Yeah 1329 01:25:50,145 --> 01:25:52,739 # I'm transforming 1330 01:25:52,856 --> 01:25:54,824 # I'm vibrating 1331 01:25:54,900 --> 01:25:56,402 # Look at me now 1332 01:25:59,946 --> 01:26:01,664 # I am flying 1333 01:26:01,740 --> 01:26:03,367 # I'm vibrating 1334 01:26:03,492 --> 01:26:05,665 # Look at me now 1335 01:26:08,872 --> 01:26:10,545 # I am flying 1336 01:26:10,624 --> 01:26:12,376 # I am glowing 1337 01:26:12,501 --> 01:26:13,969 # Look at me now 1338 01:26:16,963 --> 01:26:19,011 # I'm transforming 1339 01:26:19,132 --> 01:26:21,134 # I'm vibrating 1340 01:26:21,259 --> 01:26:23,136 # Look at me now. # 1341 01:26:50,539 --> 01:26:52,541 (CHEERING) 1342 01:27:04,219 --> 01:27:08,770 NICK: In the end, I'm not interested in that which I fully understand. 1343 01:27:10,100 --> 01:27:13,650 The words I have written over the years are just a veneer. 1344 01:27:14,938 --> 01:27:18,909 There are truths that lie beneath the surface of the words... 1345 01:27:18,984 --> 01:27:24,036 truths that rise up without warning, like the humps of a sea monster 1346 01:27:24,156 --> 01:27:26,079 and then disappear. 1347 01:27:26,199 --> 01:27:29,578 What performance and song is to me 1348 01:27:29,661 --> 01:27:33,131 is finding a way to tempt the monster to the surface, 1349 01:27:33,248 --> 01:27:35,000 to create a space, 1350 01:27:35,125 --> 01:27:39,221 where the creature can break through what is real and what is known to us. 1351 01:27:41,256 --> 01:27:46,478 This shimmering space, where imagination and reality intersect... 1352 01:27:47,596 --> 01:27:52,272 ...this is where all love and tears and joy exist. 1353 01:27:53,977 --> 01:27:55,399 This is the place. 1354 01:27:56,646 --> 01:27:58,648 This is where we live. 1355 01:28:29,888 --> 01:28:31,856 (some ENDS) 112199

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