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(BABY CRIES)
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(BABY CRIES)
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(CACOPHONY OF SOUNDS)
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(SILENCE)
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(CLOCK TICKING)
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(SEAGULLS CRYING OUTSIDE)
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(CLOCK TICKING)
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(ALARM RINGS)
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(RINGING STOPS)
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NICK: At the end of the 20th century,
I ceased to be a human being.
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That's not necessarily a bad thing.
It's just a thing.
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I awake, I write, I eat.
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I write, I watch TV.
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This is my 20,000th day on earth.
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(WATER DRIPPING)
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Mostly I feel like a cannibal,
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you know, a cartoon one -
with the big lips and the funny hair
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and the bone through its nose,
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always looking
for someone to cook in a pot.
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You can ask my wife, Susie,
she'll tell you...
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...because she's usually
the one that's getting cooked,
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cos there is an understanding
between us...
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...a pact...
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...where every secret, sacred moment
that exists between a husband and a wife
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is cannibalized
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and ground up and spat out
the other side in the form of a song,
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inflated and distorted...
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...and monstrous.
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(TYPEWRITER TAPPING)
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NICK: Mostly I write,
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tapping and scratching away,
day and night sometimes.
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But if I ever stop for long enough
to question what I'm actually doing,
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the why of it,
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well, I couldn't really tell you.
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I don't know.
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It's a world I'm creating...
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...a world full of monsters and heroes,
good guys and bad guys.
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It's an absurd, crazy, violent world...
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where people rage away
and God actually exists.
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And the more I write, the more detailed
and elaborate the world becomes
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and all the characters that live and die
or just fade away,
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they're just crooked versions of myself.
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Anyway, for me, it all begins in here
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in the most tiniest of ways.
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(PIANO AND SYNTHESIZER PLAYING)
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(PIANO AND SYNTHESIZER PLAYING)
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NICK: Can you do a beat for that?
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- Huh?
- NICK: Can you do a beat for...
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(PLAYS PIANO)
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WARREN: Yeah.
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(PLAYS SYNTHESIZER)
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(PHONE RINGS)
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WOMAN: Hi, Nick. Just to remind you,
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your meeting with Darian's
at midday today.
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Also, don't forget you need to drop in at
the archive at some point this afternoon.
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They need to check a few things with you.
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I'll text Darian's address, but if you
need anything else, let me know.
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(CLICK AND BEEP)
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Fuck.
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NICK:
And when I come out of that world,
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I always feel startled
by the so-called real world...
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(DOOR SHUTS)
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- (SEAGULLS CRY)
- ...and I eat and I watch TV
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and I play with the kids
and I torment my wife
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and I gather up experiences
and then head back on in.
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(ENGINE STARTS)
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(# KYLIE MINOGUE:
Can't Get You Outta My Head)
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- (MUSIC STOPS)
- (PHONE RINGS)
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(BEEP AND CLICK)
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NICK:
What were we doing on that yesterday?
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WARREN: Yeah, you had a...
you...you played a thing on it.
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You sang it and it sounded really good.
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NICK:
Yeah, we had something, didn't we?
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- WARREN: Yeah.
- NICK: To go with. Hey, that's cool.
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NICK: I wonder what it was.
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I do this all the time these days.
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- WARREN: Ah...
- NICK: Cool.
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(CLICK AND BEEP)
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NICK: Places choose you.
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They can take hold of you
whether you wish them to or not.
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I used to come down to Brighton years ago,
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and what I remember most is that it was
always cold and it was always raining...
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...with a glacial wind
that would blow through the streets
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and freeze you to your bones.
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But you gotta drop anchor somewhere
and somehow here I am.
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Brighton, with all its weather,
has become my home
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and, whatever hold this town has on me,
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well, it's been forcing its way
violently into my songs.
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(SEAGULLS SQUAW K)
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(CLOCK TICKING)
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(SEAGULLS CRY OUTSIDE)
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NICK: Do you wanna know
how to write a song?
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Songwriting is about counterpoint.
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Counterpoint is the key.
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Putting two disparate images beside each
other and seeing which way the sparks fly.
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Like letting a small child
in the same room
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as, I don't know, a Mongolian psychopath
or something...
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...and just sitting back
and seeing what happens.
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WOMAN: Sorry, it shouldn't be long.
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NICK: Then you send in a clown,
say, on a tricycle,
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and again you wait and you watch...
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...and if that doesn't do it...
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you shoot the clown.
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(CRASHING IN HIS HEAD)
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WARREN: An Americano
with a splash of milk in it.
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NICK: And I want a small, one-shot latte
with one sugar.
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# I'm gonna go out
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# Today
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# Stray
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# By the river... #
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(HUMS TUNE)
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WARREN: There's something when you
sing that that reminds me of something.
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- NICK: Er...Tim Buckley?
- WARREN: No, it's, um...no.
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No, um...um...no. It's actually, um...
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All Night Long, Lionel Richie.
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Does that sound like that to you?
Just sing what you were singing.
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(CHUCKLES)
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NICK: # One day I'm gonna go out... #
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Now I'm singing a Lionel Richie song.
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- # And baby
- # Baby
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#Yeah...#
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WARREN: Is that just
my Lionel Richie kind of...
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(NICK HUMMING TUNE)
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WARREN: Americano
with a splash of cold milk.
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NICK: Maybe I'm singing it
like Lionel Richie.
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- (WARREN LAUGHS)
- # Oh, Lionel... #
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MAN: What's Nick having? A latte?
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WARREN: A latte with...a one-shot latte.
What is it? One-shot latte and a...
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# One-shot latte... #
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WARREN: Half a cup, one-shot latte.
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# Lionel Richie... #
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- WARREN: Lionel latte.
- # And a one-shot latte. #
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NICK: Oh, fuck it. He's totally
blown my mojo over that one.
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(VOICE ECHOES IN HIS HEAD)
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WOMAN: Darian's ready to see you now.
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- (SEAGULLS CRYING)
- (CLOCK TICKING)
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(TICKING)
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What's your earliest memory
of a female body?
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Huh?
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What's your earliest memory
of a female body?
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Um...
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um...the first major
sexual experience that I had...
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Yes.
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...was with, er...a girl,
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um...that I...who had black hair
and a very white face.
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- Mm-hm.
- She'd put on make-up,
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and she put make-up on
over her lips as well
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so it was all just this...sort of
almost this kabuki-like kind of thing,
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and I was...l don't know,
15 or something like that.
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I'd told my mother
I was staying somewhere else,
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and I slept with this girl.
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- Hm.
- But we didn't have sex.
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But there was something
about the shifting of her...
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- She turned her back on me.
- Hm.
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But I could see this face in...
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in the sort of half-light,
this white face...
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and, um...that had
quite a big effect on me, that.
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The thing about this girl
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and her friend Janine...
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- Julie, her name was.
- Mm-hm.
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They used to like to dress me up
in, er...in kind of...
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they liked to dress me up
in women's clothing.
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- Hm.
- At the time I'd do anything, you know,
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and...l remember sort of having to
sort of toddle out of the family home
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in my high heels and hot pants when...
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(THEY CHUCKLE)
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Kind of, you know, "Off to..."
"Where are you going, darling?"
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"Off to a fancy dress, Mum."
And kind of going out the door,
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and...and eventually my father...l
remember my father, er...coming upstairs
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and, obviously, my...my mother had...
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- had told him about this...
- Mm.
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- ...cos it was so out of character...
- Mm.
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...and him sitting down,
like you're sitting there, and saying,
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"Now, son, there's a time
when we all become men,"
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and giving me this talk about, um...
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(CHUCKLES) ...about, er...
wearing women's clothing,
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cos they were... I think they were
worried that I was a transvestite.
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Hm.
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Um...but I was just sort of in...
really in the thrall of this...
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strange, wonderful girl.
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What are your earliest memories of him?
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- Of my father?
- Mm.
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(SIGHS) Oh, I don't know.
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You know, there must be earlier ones,
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but he...he did actually
take me aside one day
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and read me the first chapter of Lolita.
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Why that?
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Because he said that within that chapter,
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great writing kind of existed in there
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- ...on so many different levels...
- Mm.
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...and he kind of went
through the alliteration
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and read it out loud and said,
"See what happens here?"
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And...you know,
and that was very powerful...
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- Mm.
- ...thing for him to do for me,
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because the way that I saw him
become around that kind of stuff...
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- Mm.
- ...that was, urn...
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...you know, different,
that he changed when he read that.
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What did he become?
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- You know, a...a greater thing.
- And do you ever remember...
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Hey, this is great,
having the piano in, er...
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- the control room.
- WARREN: Yeah, yeah.
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HERVE: We can, er...tune
every piano if you need.
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Yeah, and...and the one in the barn.
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- Yeah.
- NICK: While Warren is doing something
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or Tommy's doing something,
I could take this piece...
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- HERVE: Yeah.
- ...bring it in here and just play it
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and work it,
because a lot of the stuff's not...
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- you know, it's very free at the moment.
- NICK LAUNAY: Yeah, yeah.
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NICK CAVE: That's gonna be really nice.
That's See That Girl.
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I mean, it's difficult to tell
from some of this stuff what we got.
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- You've gotta kind of relax and...
- Mm.
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...because we got a lot of ideas
about these things,
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which are just fucking nothing here,
to be honest.
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(PLAYING PIANO)
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No, it's not gonna rain.
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Hey, he's got the camera rolling.
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NICK: I reckon we ought to put down
a couple of basic tracks.
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(SYNTHESIZER AND PIANO PLAYING)
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Here it comes.
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(SYNTHESIZER AND PIANO PLAYING)
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# There was a girl called Animal X
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# She was not his type
but she's all right
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# She's from the city
where there is no... #
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Oh, no, I got that wrong.
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All right.
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# And there's no more air
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# Just the distant humming
of a prejudicial prayer
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# And she arrives at the town
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# And at the gates she meets a boy
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# We'll call him Animal Y... #
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# She said there's nothing to fear
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# Ah, there's nothing to fear
but a bad idea... #
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DARIAN: Did your father
ever come to see you play?
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He came a couple of times. Both times,
I didn't know that he was there.
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He came to the first
New Year's Eve show that I did.
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It was a show on a street and I was
kind of rolling around drunk and singing.
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The whole band were off their faces.
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He asked me how it had gone
and I said, "Oh, it was good,"
239
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and he went, "Yeah, I know, I was there."
240
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- Hm, hm.
- But then he saw me before he died.
241
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It was a paid gig at a club,
like a proper band,
242
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and, um...he was at that, too,
243
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and...and he, er...he saw that
and he made this comment.
244
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- "You were like an angel," he said.
- Hm.
245
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I can't imagine how he could have
seen me in that way, quite frankly.
246
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DARIAN: Seen you as an angel?
247
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(LAUGHS) Yes, an angel.
All things considered.
248
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In that way in which he'd be present,
yet without declaring himself,
249
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did that ever happen at home?
250
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I remember one time my sister
being very upset about something,
251
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and my father putting her to bed
and then leaving the room
252
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and turning the light off, and my sister
was sort of sobbing in the bed, you know,
253
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and then after a while...
We were very young.
254
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I kind of went "Pooh", like that,
and she started to giggle, you know,
255
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and then I went, "Shit",
and she started to giggle more,
256
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and I went, "Fuck"
and so on, and this, er...
257
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- Mm.
- ...until she was kind of laughing
258
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and then I saw the door open
and my father kind of move out...
259
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- Mm.
- ...and I'm kind of like, "Oh!" you know.
260
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So, in all those examples,
he's there like a kind of silent witness?
261
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Yeah. Yeah.
262
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Although he wasn't... To say
that he wasn't present is not correct.
263
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- But in those instances.
- Mm, mm.
264
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My memory of my childhood
265
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was really a kind of wonderful
childhood for a...for a kid.
266
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Does it bring anything to mind,
a memory or...
267
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Well, the Ovens River
ran through Wangaratta
268
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and that's where I spent my childhood,
269
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- just down by that river.
- Mm.
270
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All the kind of cool stuff
that I got up to as a kid.
271
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- What kind of thing?
- Kissing girls.
272
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Jumping off the, er...the railway bridge
that went over this river.
273
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I mean, we would put our ear to the tracks
and listen for the train
274
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and hear it vibrating on the tracks.
275
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Then we would run towards the train, along
the tracks into the middle of a bridge
276
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and the train would come around like this
277
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and we would run
and then we would leap off the, er...
278
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- Mm.
- ...leap off the bridge into the river.
279
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Mm.
280
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All of that kind of daredevil
stuff of childhood,
281
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which...which was very much about
what a lot of my childhood was about...
282
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- Mm.
- ...um, and that I really miss,
283
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that my own children don't get
to experience that sort of stuff.
284
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Mm. What do you fear the most?
285
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(SIGHS) Er...
286
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Hm...
287
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My...biggest fear, I guess,
is losing my memory.
288
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It does worry me at times
289
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that I'm not gonna be able
to continue to do what I do...
290
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um...and reach a place
that I'm satisfied with.
291
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In the sense?
292
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Because memory is what we are,
you know, and I think
293
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that your very soul
and your very reason...to be alive
294
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is tied up in memory.
295
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I mean, I think for a very long time,
296
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I've been building up a kind of world
through narrative songwriting.
297
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It is a kind of world that's created
298
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about those precious, um...
299
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original memories that define our lives
300
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and those memories
that we spend for ever chasing after.
301
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Which memories
do you think you're chasing after?
302
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I think exactly what
we've been talking about.
303
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Those earlier childhood memories.
304
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Those moments when
the gears of the heart really change
305
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and that's...that could be being,
er...discovering some work of art.
306
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Um...it could be some massive
traumatic experience that happens.
307
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Um...it could be some tiny moment,
er...a fragment of a moment,
308
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and in some way that's really what
the process of songwriting is for me.
309
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It's the retelling of these stories
and the mythologizing of these stories.
310
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To lose the faculty of memory
is a massive trauma
311
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within that world, obviously.
312
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(PIANO PLAYING)
313
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NICK: Yes, is it worth pursuing?
Will I just come back and...
314
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(PIANO PLAYING)
315
00:20:35,192 --> 00:20:37,695
OK, I'll do...I'll do one more.
316
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(PIANO PLAYING)
317
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# Childhood days
318
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# Shimmer in a haze
319
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# Give us a kiss
320
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# In the blue room
you whispered into the music
321
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# And the brown field under the thorn bush
322
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# Give us a kiss
323
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# And then across the overpass and down
324
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# By the blood factory and into town
325
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# Give us a kiss
326
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# Just one little sip, sip, sip
327
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# Before you slip, slip, slip away
328
00:21:37,129 --> 00:21:39,131
# Again
329
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# You are still hanging out in my dreams
330
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# In your sister's shoes
331
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# In your blue jeans
332
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#Ah, give us a kiss
333
00:22:02,196 --> 00:22:04,870
# One little sip, sip, sip
334
00:22:06,784 --> 00:22:10,539
# Before I catch, catch, catch on fire
335
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# Come on
336
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# And give us
337
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# A kiss
338
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# Want me to burn
339
00:22:40,776 --> 00:22:43,655
# I will
340
00:22:50,411 --> 00:22:54,541
# Want me to burn
341
00:22:54,623 --> 00:22:57,342
# I will
342
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#Yes, I will. #
343
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NICK: If you can enter into the song
and enter into the heart of the song,
344
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into the present moment,
forget everything else,
345
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you can be kind of taken away...
346
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and then you're sort of godlike
for a moment,
347
00:23:30,326 --> 00:23:32,454
and sometimes it doesn't, by the way.
348
00:23:32,578 --> 00:23:35,752
It's not that the moment you walk on, you
turn into an angel or something like that.
349
00:23:35,873 --> 00:23:37,295
Sometimes it doesn't happen.
350
00:23:37,416 --> 00:23:40,386
- An angel?
- OK. Let's... Yeah, yeah, whatever.
351
00:23:40,461 --> 00:23:47,094
Is this a...a theme in your songs -
of responsibility and accountability?
352
00:23:47,217 --> 00:23:51,472
Um...l have a kind of weird relationship
with the idea of God,
353
00:23:51,597 --> 00:23:56,728
because within my songwriting world,
some kind of being like that exists.
354
00:23:56,852 --> 00:23:58,946
- Someone watching?
- Yeah.
355
00:23:59,021 --> 00:24:01,695
Someone taking score, let's say.
356
00:24:01,815 --> 00:24:04,364
In the real world,
I don't believe in such a thing.
357
00:24:04,485 --> 00:24:08,706
You know, when I had a...
a real interest in religion
358
00:24:08,781 --> 00:24:10,408
was when I was taking a lot of drugs.
359
00:24:10,532 --> 00:24:12,830
- Mm.
- You know, I was a junkie.
360
00:24:12,952 --> 00:24:15,546
I would wake up and need to score
361
00:24:15,621 --> 00:24:18,545
and the first thing I would do
is go to church...
362
00:24:18,666 --> 00:24:19,713
Mm.
363
00:24:19,833 --> 00:24:22,552
...and I would sit
through the entire service,
364
00:24:22,670 --> 00:24:27,221
listening to the priest rant on up there
and shake his hand on the way out,
365
00:24:27,299 --> 00:24:31,224
and then head up, er...
Portobello Road to Golborne Road.
366
00:24:31,303 --> 00:24:33,806
The dealers were just coming out
you know, at that time,
367
00:24:33,931 --> 00:24:36,354
and I could score
and then go back to my...
368
00:24:36,475 --> 00:24:38,944
- Mm.
- ...flat, take the drugs and sort of go,
369
00:24:39,019 --> 00:24:40,145
- "There," you know?
- Mm.
370
00:24:40,270 --> 00:24:41,613
I'd do a little...little bit of good
371
00:24:41,730 --> 00:24:43,949
and a little...
and, "What's the problem" type of thing,
372
00:24:44,024 --> 00:24:46,948
and I really felt on some level
373
00:24:47,069 --> 00:24:50,790
that I had a kind
of workable balance in my life.
374
00:24:50,906 --> 00:24:53,955
- Mm. Mm.
- I mean, it was mad.
375
00:24:54,076 --> 00:24:59,333
You know, I mean, when...when I met Susie,
Susie was like, you know,
376
00:24:59,456 --> 00:25:03,211
"You're, er...you know, doing
something really dangerous here
377
00:25:03,335 --> 00:25:07,181
"and...and...and life-threatening
378
00:25:07,297 --> 00:25:10,642
"and, um...you know,
I want you to vow to me
379
00:25:10,759 --> 00:25:12,477
"that you'll never go to church again"...
380
00:25:12,594 --> 00:25:15,188
- (THEY CHUCKLE)
- ...kind of thing.
381
00:25:15,305 --> 00:25:18,650
And when you're performing,
do you ever have that sense
382
00:25:18,767 --> 00:25:20,394
of being an outsider or not?
383
00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:21,441
No, I don't.
384
00:25:21,562 --> 00:25:25,442
I find performing to be something
much more, um...kind of communal
385
00:25:25,566 --> 00:25:28,740
and a much more sort of
gathering together of people and...
386
00:25:28,861 --> 00:25:32,911
I mean you get...carried away, right?
387
00:25:33,032 --> 00:25:35,126
- You get taken away, anyway.
- Mm.
388
00:25:35,242 --> 00:25:36,835
Something happens on stage.
389
00:25:36,952 --> 00:25:38,829
- Once you're on the stage?
- Yeah. Not even before
390
00:25:38,954 --> 00:25:41,798
I get near the stage.
In fact, before I'm on the stage,
391
00:25:41,915 --> 00:25:43,963
before, in the band room, it's horrendous,
392
00:25:44,084 --> 00:25:47,634
because you can't really understand
how you can do the show.
393
00:25:47,755 --> 00:25:51,385
But something happens on stage, um...
394
00:25:51,508 --> 00:25:56,514
that takes you away from that
and it's those kind of concerts,
395
00:25:56,638 --> 00:26:00,063
it's the concerts that we're trying to do
that are so important,
396
00:26:00,142 --> 00:26:03,817
and they're so important
for, um...the audience.
397
00:26:03,937 --> 00:26:05,359
To go beyond something?
398
00:26:05,481 --> 00:26:08,985
Well, not every gig you're gonna go to
is gonna make you feel that way,
399
00:26:09,109 --> 00:26:11,737
but when...when they do...
400
00:26:11,820 --> 00:26:16,701
I mean, I put on a concert
at the London Meltdown with Nina Simone,
401
00:26:16,825 --> 00:26:20,546
and before she went on,
she called me to her room,
402
00:26:20,621 --> 00:26:25,172
and she was sitting there in this chair,
and she was like the nastiest woman.
403
00:26:25,292 --> 00:26:29,342
She had this big, white, blousy thing on
and this kind of Cleopatra make-up,
404
00:26:29,421 --> 00:26:31,264
and she said...
405
00:26:31,340 --> 00:26:33,342
(MIMICS NINA) "I want you
to introduce me!" like that,
406
00:26:33,467 --> 00:26:35,720
and I'm like "OK, how do you want me
to introduce you?"
407
00:26:35,844 --> 00:26:40,816
(MIMICS NINA) "I am Dr Nina Simone!"
like this, and I'm like, "OK, OK.โ
408
00:26:40,933 --> 00:26:43,027
and, er...l went out and I introduced her,
409
00:26:43,102 --> 00:26:45,776
and she walked up to the...
to the front of the stage.
410
00:26:45,896 --> 00:26:50,697
She...she was not well and it took her
a long time to even get onto the stage
411
00:26:50,818 --> 00:26:52,741
and she walked up
to the front of the stage
412
00:26:52,820 --> 00:26:54,822
and held her sort of fists by the sides
413
00:26:54,947 --> 00:26:59,544
and stared at the audience with this
expression of loathing on her face,
414
00:26:59,660 --> 00:27:03,210
and everyone's just sitting in their seats
like, "What is...what's gonna happen?"
415
00:27:03,330 --> 00:27:04,582
and she sat down at the piano
416
00:27:04,706 --> 00:27:08,256
and she took the gum out of her mouth
and stuck it onto the piano
417
00:27:08,377 --> 00:27:11,506
and just kind of launched into this show,
418
00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:14,224
and through the process of this show,
419
00:27:14,299 --> 00:27:16,472
um...became this other thing,
420
00:27:16,593 --> 00:27:18,470
and you could see it within the audience,
421
00:27:18,595 --> 00:27:20,472
- how they responded to this...
- Mm.
422
00:27:20,597 --> 00:27:24,977
...until the end she was up the front and
touching people and dancing on the stage,
423
00:27:25,060 --> 00:27:28,610
and it was an absolute
trans-formative performance
424
00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:31,449
and it absolutely changed
everybody in a...
425
00:27:31,567 --> 00:27:33,740
you know, that could
pay witness to that...
426
00:27:33,861 --> 00:27:34,783
- Mm.
- ...show.
427
00:27:34,862 --> 00:27:37,536
And to me, that's what we should...
428
00:27:37,656 --> 00:27:43,208
that's what we should be trying to...
to do when...when you go on stage.
429
00:27:43,328 --> 00:27:45,547
You know, I don't know
how it is for other people,
430
00:27:45,622 --> 00:27:48,876
but I think on some level
we all want to be somebody else,
431
00:27:49,001 --> 00:27:55,008
and we all look for that trans-formative
thing that can happen in...in our lives
432
00:27:55,132 --> 00:27:58,602
and I think most people find it
in some way or another
433
00:27:58,719 --> 00:28:03,395
and that's a place that they can forget
who they are and become somebody else.
434
00:28:03,515 --> 00:28:06,359
- By forgetting who they are?
- Yeah.
435
00:28:06,476 --> 00:28:08,069
By forgetting who they are.
436
00:28:08,187 --> 00:28:09,188
Mm.
437
00:28:09,313 --> 00:28:13,193
And I think maybe that's what I'm talking
about with my father reading Lolita.
438
00:28:13,317 --> 00:28:15,194
- I noticed that about him...
- Mm.
439
00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:17,572
...you know, that he was doing something.
440
00:28:17,696 --> 00:28:21,200
He was only reading this, but he was
engaged in this on a different level
441
00:28:21,325 --> 00:28:25,922
and, er...and was thrilled
to read this to...his child.
442
00:28:26,038 --> 00:28:27,540
Mm.
443
00:28:27,623 --> 00:28:30,046
How old were you when he died?
444
00:28:30,167 --> 00:28:32,716
Er...l was
445
00:28:32,836 --> 00:28:35,134
um...19.
446
00:28:35,255 --> 00:28:38,134
- Hm.
- And, er...yeah.
447
00:28:39,259 --> 00:28:41,227
Um...
448
00:28:41,303 --> 00:28:44,182
and that...that really
just came out of the blue.
449
00:28:44,264 --> 00:28:48,269
That was, um...something that kind of
rocked the whole family and...
450
00:28:52,439 --> 00:28:53,861
Shall we stop there?
451
00:28:59,571 --> 00:29:01,164
(SEAGULLS CRY OUTSIDE)
452
00:29:01,657 --> 00:29:04,126
(SEAGULLS CRY
453
00:29:19,675 --> 00:29:22,645
- NICK: You turn it on.
- (ENGINE STARTS)
454
00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:25,890
You turn it off.
455
00:29:26,014 --> 00:29:27,357
But then one day you find you can't,
456
00:29:27,474 --> 00:29:30,523
and you've become the thing
you wished into existence...
457
00:29:31,728 --> 00:29:33,105
...back when you were a kid
up in your room
458
00:29:33,230 --> 00:29:36,780
and singing into a broom
with the door locked.
459
00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:41,280
You've dreamed yourself to the outside,
and nothing can bring you back in,
460
00:29:41,405 --> 00:29:44,830
and, anyway, you're not sure you ever
wanted to be in there in the first place.
461
00:29:50,455 --> 00:29:53,334
You know...you know, I was just thinking,
you know what I mean.
462
00:29:53,458 --> 00:29:54,801
Are you, er...
463
00:29:56,253 --> 00:29:58,756
Do you worry about getting old
or anything like that?
464
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,765
I think, you know, when you get
to our age, you do worry about it.
465
00:30:03,885 --> 00:30:07,310
I think the goalposts change in a way.
I mean...
466
00:30:07,431 --> 00:30:11,857
(SIGHS) Why is it always pissing down
with rain when I come to Brighton?
467
00:30:13,645 --> 00:30:17,650
You know, I don't know
about you, Nick, but, um...
468
00:30:19,443 --> 00:30:22,413
You know, I got to 5O and I was all right,
I was pretty cool with it.
469
00:30:22,529 --> 00:30:25,453
But, you know, I'm...I'm 56.
How old are you?
470
00:30:27,659 --> 00:30:32,335
I kind of had to think about...
reinventing myself, I suppose,
471
00:30:32,456 --> 00:30:35,505
within the business that I'm in,
you know, and it was...
472
00:30:35,584 --> 00:30:37,803
I can't reinvent myself.
473
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:40,422
- Do you want to?
- No.
474
00:30:40,547 --> 00:30:42,299
I don't...l don't want to, either,
475
00:30:42,382 --> 00:30:47,183
but I think that the rock star, you've
gotta be able to see from a distance.
476
00:30:47,262 --> 00:30:49,230
It's something that
you can draw in one line...
477
00:30:49,348 --> 00:30:50,895
- Mm.
- ...and you can't have 'em changing...
478
00:30:51,016 --> 00:30:53,064
every second week
they're something different,
479
00:30:53,185 --> 00:30:54,732
because they've got to be godlike.
480
00:30:54,853 --> 00:30:57,072
But it's all an invention.
481
00:30:57,189 --> 00:30:59,738
But it happened early on for me.
482
00:30:59,858 --> 00:31:03,579
As a child, I think I had a desperate need
to change myself into something else.
483
00:31:03,695 --> 00:31:04,617
Mm.
484
00:31:04,738 --> 00:31:07,617
I'd look in the mirror and...
and not be... I wasn't happy.
485
00:31:07,699 --> 00:31:11,795
I used to look at these people
on the record covers and aspire to that.
486
00:31:11,912 --> 00:31:13,664
(CAR HORN BLARES)
487
00:31:23,507 --> 00:31:25,930
RAY: What do you think
of the Rolling Stones?
488
00:31:27,552 --> 00:31:30,351
Must be a time when they actually look
at one another and think, you know,
489
00:31:30,472 --> 00:31:32,395
"Boys, haven't we got enough money now?
Do we wanna retire?
490
00:31:32,516 --> 00:31:34,860
"We can always play a banjo
on a porch somewhere
491
00:31:34,976 --> 00:31:36,978
"and sing a song
for our own entertainment."
492
00:31:37,062 --> 00:31:38,905
I mean, do you love performing still?
493
00:31:40,315 --> 00:31:41,237
I hear actors say it.
494
00:31:41,358 --> 00:31:42,735
I live for it, I really do.
495
00:31:42,859 --> 00:31:45,032
- Really do, yeah?
- And...and it's...it's the...
496
00:31:45,153 --> 00:31:48,748
it's really that moment
I can get to be that person...
497
00:31:48,865 --> 00:31:51,209
- Yeah.
- ...that I always wanted to be.
498
00:31:51,326 --> 00:31:57,129
There's something that happens on stage
where you are transported and you are...
499
00:31:57,249 --> 00:32:01,470
Time has a different feel
and you are just this thing
500
00:32:01,586 --> 00:32:04,260
- and you feel you can't do any wrong...
- Yeah.
501
00:32:04,381 --> 00:32:07,555
...and then you look down the front row
and somebody yawns...
502
00:32:07,676 --> 00:32:09,428
- (LAUGHS)
- ...something like that,
503
00:32:09,553 --> 00:32:12,773
and the whole thing falls away
and you're just this...
504
00:32:12,889 --> 00:32:14,141
- schmuck.
- Just crucifies you, yeah.
505
00:32:14,224 --> 00:32:17,068
I had it when...when I was...and I loved
playing Henry VIII, you know,
506
00:32:17,185 --> 00:32:19,984
and, er...l...l actually
become Henry VIII.
507
00:32:20,105 --> 00:32:23,860
I really believed I was the King
of England and, er...you know, that I...
508
00:32:23,942 --> 00:32:25,319
- I could have women's heads...
- And offstage?
509
00:32:25,444 --> 00:32:26,661
Yeah, I was going home at night
510
00:32:26,778 --> 00:32:29,748
and thinking, you know,
I could actually...l could become Henry.
511
00:32:29,823 --> 00:32:31,075
I could do this, you know.
512
00:32:31,199 --> 00:32:33,702
My agent and his mum came down,
513
00:32:33,827 --> 00:32:35,795
and she watched the day's shoot,
and I was, you know,
514
00:32:35,912 --> 00:32:39,166
pretty pleased with myself,
what I was doing, and she said, er...
515
00:32:39,291 --> 00:32:40,884
"Are you gonna play him like that?"
516
00:32:41,001 --> 00:32:42,173
" (LAUGHS)
" No?
517
00:32:42,294 --> 00:32:45,514
Yeah. And it absolutely...it just kettled
me for a couple of days, you know.
518
00:32:45,630 --> 00:32:47,348
I'm thinking, "Oh, fuck it!" you know,
519
00:32:47,424 --> 00:32:49,347
because I think as an...
as a performer, you...
520
00:32:49,468 --> 00:32:51,846
- you need that confidence of feeling.
- You need to believe, don't you?
521
00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:53,563
You need someone saying
you're doing good.
522
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,023
I can't see a bloody thing here.
523
00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:58,565
Yeah, well, put your steamer on.
I mean, you know, it's science, innit?
524
00:32:58,685 --> 00:33:01,939
I mean, if it's cold out there and hot in
here, you're gonna get steamy windows.
525
00:33:02,022 --> 00:33:03,740
Yeah, I know, but...
526
00:33:12,282 --> 00:33:14,000
(MUSIC PLAYING)
527
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,093
(HORN SOUNDS)
528
00:33:32,886 --> 00:33:35,309
(WIND CHIMES RING)
529
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:37,641
- G'day, Nick.
- G'day, Warren.
530
00:33:37,766 --> 00:33:40,189
- How are you, mate?
- All right. You all right?
531
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:42,062
Yeah, I'm good. How are you?
532
00:33:42,187 --> 00:33:45,111
- It's the birds.
- Wonderful. Bring 'em in.
533
00:33:45,232 --> 00:33:47,826
- I'll put 'em straight in the bin.
- (THEY LAUGH)
534
00:33:49,027 --> 00:33:50,654
NICK: So, how have you been, Warren?
535
00:33:50,779 --> 00:33:55,910
I've been all right. I've been good.
Lining a few crows up, shooting 'em down.
536
00:33:56,034 --> 00:33:58,878
It's good. Things are good.
How you been?
537
00:33:58,995 --> 00:34:00,747
NICK: I've been OK.
538
00:34:00,872 --> 00:34:04,001
- Are you, er...hungry?
- (NICK CHUCKLES)
539
00:34:04,125 --> 00:34:06,298
- I'm cooking eels.
- You're cooking me eels?
540
00:34:06,419 --> 00:34:07,386
I'm cooking you eels.
541
00:34:07,462 --> 00:34:10,966
- Um...a cup. We need a cup.
- Yeah.
542
00:34:11,091 --> 00:34:14,595
Half a cup, right'? Wouldn't like you
to have a full bladder on your trip back.
543
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,848
Oh, speaking of trip back,
look what I got here.
544
00:34:17,973 --> 00:34:20,647
Terrorise your kids with these. I got them
in France when I was over there.
545
00:34:20,767 --> 00:34:22,485
- Some bangers.
- Oh, thanks.
546
00:34:22,602 --> 00:34:24,775
Just don't scare any children,
though, with them, or...
547
00:34:24,896 --> 00:34:27,149
- or dogs. But, er...
- Very good.
548
00:34:27,274 --> 00:34:29,447
- Machine-gun ones, as well.
- Thank you. My wife will be really...
549
00:34:29,568 --> 00:34:33,198
Tell 'em, you go in with ten fingers,
you gotta come out with ten fingers.
550
00:34:33,321 --> 00:34:34,243
Got it.
551
00:34:34,364 --> 00:34:36,787
- Are you hungry?
- Yeah.
552
00:34:36,908 --> 00:34:39,627
Do you remember that gig?
553
00:34:39,703 --> 00:34:41,250
- The Nina Simone gig?
- Oh, yeah.
554
00:34:41,371 --> 00:34:43,840
- Fuck, that was good, wasn't it?
- Yeah, it was up there. Like,
555
00:34:43,957 --> 00:34:45,709
I've seen a bunch of gigs
556
00:34:45,834 --> 00:34:48,838
that...that's one that was like
one of the greatest things I've ever seen.
557
00:34:48,962 --> 00:34:52,341
Do you remember,
before she started playing,
558
00:34:52,465 --> 00:34:54,593
she took the chewing gum out of her mouth?
559
00:34:54,718 --> 00:34:57,221
- Mm.
- Like, sort of sat down,
560
00:34:57,345 --> 00:34:59,894
took the chewing gum out
and just stuck it on to the piano,
561
00:35:00,015 --> 00:35:02,143
- and then just slammed...
- I have that chewing gum at home.
562
00:35:02,267 --> 00:35:03,359
Yeah, I have that in my...
563
00:35:03,476 --> 00:35:05,149
- What, you got that?
- I took it, yeah.
564
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:07,489
(LAUGHS) I...l went up
and took it off the stage after.
565
00:35:07,606 --> 00:35:09,199
- Did you really?
- Yeah.
566
00:35:09,316 --> 00:35:13,287
I have it in a towel that she...the one
she wiped her forehead and then went...
567
00:35:13,403 --> 00:35:16,247
- (BLOWS RASPBERRY) ...like that.
- Oh, fuck, I'm really jealous.
568
00:35:16,364 --> 00:35:19,083
And, er...it... I remember,
cos Matt mixed her.
569
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,999
Matt apparently walked past her room,
and she was sitting in there
570
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,999
like, looking really pissed off
and not wanting to be there.
571
00:35:26,124 --> 00:35:27,797
And...and he goes like, um...
572
00:35:27,917 --> 00:35:32,218
(TUTS) "ls everything OK, um...
Mrs Simone?" or whatever, you know.
573
00:35:32,339 --> 00:35:33,807
- Dr Simone.
- Dr Simone, I guess.
574
00:35:33,923 --> 00:35:35,925
He probably wouldn't have...
Matt wouldn't have said that.
575
00:35:36,051 --> 00:35:37,849
And, "ls there anything I can get you?"
576
00:35:37,969 --> 00:35:39,596
and, er...she just said,
577
00:35:39,721 --> 00:35:43,771
"I'd like some champagne,
some cocaine and some sausages!"
578
00:35:43,892 --> 00:35:49,023
And, er...and, er...Matt...Matt goes,
"All right, I'll see what I can do."
579
00:35:49,147 --> 00:35:51,946
So, Matt went off
and he got some coke, some champagne
580
00:35:52,067 --> 00:35:54,365
and some sausages for her
and took 'em back
581
00:35:54,486 --> 00:35:56,363
and he said she just had
this big grin on her face
582
00:35:56,488 --> 00:35:57,705
and she goes, "Thank you!" and just...
583
00:35:57,781 --> 00:36:00,955
(SNORTS) ...hoovered up the coke and drank
some champagne and ate her sausages.
584
00:36:01,076 --> 00:36:01,952
Yeah.
585
00:36:02,077 --> 00:36:04,079
I've never seen an audience like that,
586
00:36:04,204 --> 00:36:06,957
that felt like they were about
to fall in on top of one another.
587
00:36:07,082 --> 00:36:09,210
- Nobody knew what to expect and...
- Well, she...she was...
588
00:36:09,334 --> 00:36:11,428
she was genuinely frightening
when she came on...
589
00:36:11,544 --> 00:36:13,217
- Terrifying.
- ...up the front of the stage.
590
00:36:13,338 --> 00:36:17,514
She literally walked onto the lip
of the stage and stared everyone down...
591
00:36:17,634 --> 00:36:19,181
- Yeah.
- ...like it was...
592
00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:20,762
Well, I remember...l remember seeing...
593
00:36:20,887 --> 00:36:24,016
I had the same thing happen
when I saw "The Killer" play in Paris
594
00:36:24,140 --> 00:36:26,268
and my mate was there
and he's like...comes up to me,
595
00:36:26,393 --> 00:36:27,940
he goes, "Well, good news.
596
00:36:28,019 --> 00:36:31,023
"The...the T- shirt guy
selling the T-shirts."
597
00:36:31,147 --> 00:36:32,865
And I'm like, "Ooh, what do you mean?"
598
00:36:32,941 --> 00:36:34,818
and he goes, "Oh, I saw him last week
in the South of France
599
00:36:34,901 --> 00:36:36,824
"and the T-shirt seller
did most of the set
600
00:36:36,903 --> 00:36:38,405
"and The Killer just sat on the side
and came out...
601
00:36:38,530 --> 00:36:40,328
- Oh, really?
- "and did Great Balls Of Fire
602
00:36:40,448 --> 00:36:42,325
"and then just, like, fucked off."
603
00:36:42,450 --> 00:36:44,327
And so the band came on
and started playing
604
00:36:44,452 --> 00:36:46,125
and they just sounded
like dog shit, you know.
605
00:36:46,246 --> 00:36:48,920
They were just like playing
through the standard stuff
606
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,293
and then...then it was like,
"Jerry Lee's in the house,"
607
00:36:51,418 --> 00:36:54,217
like, "Jerry Lee's in the house", and...
and suddenly you'd look on the side
608
00:36:54,337 --> 00:36:55,964
and there's The Killer just standing there
609
00:36:56,089 --> 00:37:00,094
looking like a kind of orang-utan,
just sort of like this, lurching,
610
00:37:00,218 --> 00:37:02,346
and it was like that Nina Simone show,
611
00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:04,017
and the guy walked up and hit the piano
612
00:37:04,139 --> 00:37:07,018
and had this sound like a jackhammer,
and it was unbelievable,
613
00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:11,025
and it was just two microphones
plugged into a Fender Twin wound out,
614
00:37:11,146 --> 00:37:15,196
like everything wound out, just this sound
that's instantly Jerry Lee,
615
00:37:15,316 --> 00:37:18,286
and he walked onto the stage, and
he got to the front of the lip like that,
616
00:37:18,403 --> 00:37:22,203
and just went, "Yeah!" like that,
and everyone was like, "Whoa!" like this.
617
00:37:22,323 --> 00:37:24,246
And then he sat down
and went, "Brrr!" like that,
618
00:37:24,367 --> 00:37:26,165
and then suddenly he started playing
619
00:37:26,286 --> 00:37:28,209
- and the band sounded unbelievable...
- Yeah.
620
00:37:28,329 --> 00:37:31,754
...cos they all got in underneath
this amazing sound of his,
621
00:37:31,875 --> 00:37:34,924
and then he did like a bunch of ballads
in the middle, Hank Williams and stuff,
622
00:37:35,044 --> 00:37:37,342
and then he did Great Balls Of Fire,
623
00:37:37,422 --> 00:37:39,015
and then he tried to get up on the piano
and he couldn't,
624
00:37:39,132 --> 00:37:41,055
and it was one of the wildest things
I'd ever seen.
625
00:37:41,176 --> 00:37:43,554
He was just trying to get up,
and then they ran up behind him
626
00:37:43,678 --> 00:37:45,646
and they were trying to get him up there,
and he's...
627
00:37:45,764 --> 00:37:47,607
going like this.
628
00:37:47,724 --> 00:37:52,025
It was phenomenal, and then he walked off.
The power blew in the place.
629
00:37:52,145 --> 00:37:54,318
The guitar player,
who was about 70 or something,
630
00:37:54,439 --> 00:37:56,908
picked up his amp,
put it under his arm and walked off,
631
00:37:57,025 --> 00:37:59,949
like this old amp he must have had
since day one, you know,
632
00:38:00,069 --> 00:38:03,198
and it was like,
that's what it was like about, you know.
633
00:38:03,323 --> 00:38:05,746
You're seeing a show, you know.
634
00:38:07,327 --> 00:38:10,001
WARREN: Do you want
salt and pepper with that?
635
00:38:10,121 --> 00:38:11,213
- No.
- Is that enough?
636
00:38:11,331 --> 00:38:12,503
No, I'm all right.
637
00:38:12,582 --> 00:38:15,836
I might just put that there for a second.
638
00:38:22,050 --> 00:38:23,142
Mm.
639
00:38:23,259 --> 00:38:25,557
I don't know
if they're gonna be able to...
640
00:38:25,678 --> 00:38:27,772
WOMAN: Vous vous taisez, d'accord?
641
00:38:27,889 --> 00:38:31,143
Oh, il fait chaud, huh?
642
00:38:31,267 --> 00:38:32,689
(MUSIC PLAYS)
643
00:38:32,811 --> 00:38:37,738
# I've got a feeling
that just won't go away
644
00:38:37,857 --> 00:38:43,079
# You've got to just keep on pushing
645
00:38:43,196 --> 00:38:46,245
# Keep on pushing
646
00:38:47,325 --> 00:38:50,955
ii Push the sky away... ii
647
00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:53,923
OK, let's...
648
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,465
- (SYNTHESIZER STOPS)
- Yeah. Um...it sounded really good.
649
00:38:57,544 --> 00:39:00,798
- Just we need to join...
- Push, push the sky away.
650
00:39:00,922 --> 00:39:03,766
...the idea
of bringing the sky later.
651
00:39:03,883 --> 00:39:06,136
The โawayโ later. Push. They're going...
652
00:39:06,261 --> 00:39:09,561
- # Push the sky away... #
- You've got to just...you've got to...
653
00:39:09,681 --> 00:39:13,731
It's not good. It's gotta do it at the
same...the way I'm doing it, yeah?
654
00:39:13,852 --> 00:39:17,356
- OK. It's actually like one word.
- D'accord.
655
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,984
- (WOMAN SPEAKS FRENCH)
- # You've got to just... #
656
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:23,407
- Tell...tell them.
- Oui, oui.
657
00:39:23,528 --> 00:39:26,372
Heymhey, juste...juste un petโ true.
658
00:39:26,489 --> 00:39:29,618
Um...push the sky away.
659
00:39:29,701 --> 00:39:31,453
Ensemble. Sky away.
660
00:39:31,578 --> 00:39:34,127
- Pas sky...away.
- Ah, oui, d'accord.
661
00:39:34,247 --> 00:39:35,169
Ensemble.
662
00:39:35,290 --> 00:39:38,464
# Push the sky away...
663
00:39:38,543 --> 00:39:44,767
# You've got to just keep on pushing
664
00:39:44,883 --> 00:39:47,682
# Keep on pushing
665
00:39:47,802 --> 00:39:53,024
# Push the sky away. #
666
00:39:53,141 --> 00:39:55,064
- Bravo! C'est fini.
- OK.
667
00:39:55,184 --> 00:39:58,779
WARREN: (Test bon. Super.
Bravo, tout le monde.
668
00:39:58,897 --> 00:40:01,571
KEVIN: Well done, mate, yeah.
You've got a future career there.
669
00:40:01,691 --> 00:40:03,614
WARREN: Well, it was my original career,
670
00:40:03,735 --> 00:40:06,079
until I discovered heroin
and alcohol and then...
671
00:40:06,195 --> 00:40:07,788
(LAUGHS)
672
00:40:07,906 --> 00:40:09,829
...it kinda all went wrong after that.
673
00:40:09,949 --> 00:40:13,419
- Couldn't juggle the three professions.
- (LAUGHS)
674
00:40:13,536 --> 00:40:15,630
(HELICOPTER WHIRRING)
675
00:40:15,747 --> 00:40:17,420
There's a helicopter.
676
00:40:20,376 --> 00:40:23,755
I've probably had more meals with you
than my wife, actually, when I...
677
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,009
- We've had a lot. We've had a lot.
- ...If I do the mathematics.
678
00:40:27,133 --> 00:40:30,888
- (PHONE RINGS)
- We have had a lot...a lot of bad ones.
679
00:40:31,012 --> 00:40:32,980
(WARREN LAUGHS)
680
00:40:34,641 --> 00:40:35,938
- Right, I've gotta go.
- WARREN: Yeah.
681
00:40:36,392 --> 00:40:38,269
I've gotta go to the archive.
682
00:40:38,394 --> 00:40:40,362
(SEAGULLS CRY
683
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,869
NICK: You've gotta understand
your limitations.
684
00:40:51,658 --> 00:40:56,664
It's your limitations that make you the
wonderful disaster you most probably are.
685
00:40:58,539 --> 00:41:02,009
For me, that's where
collaboration comes in,
686
00:41:02,126 --> 00:41:05,676
to take an idea that is blind and unformed
687
00:41:05,797 --> 00:41:08,767
and that has been hatched
largely in solitude
688
00:41:08,883 --> 00:41:12,513
and allow these strange
collaborator creatures that I work with
689
00:41:12,637 --> 00:41:15,732
to morph it into something else,
something better.
690
00:41:16,808 --> 00:41:18,185
Well, that's really something to see.
691
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:21,358
BLIXA BARGELD: I mean, with
the last record that I participated in,
692
00:41:21,479 --> 00:41:24,858
on Nocturama,
it wasn't open like that any more.
693
00:41:24,941 --> 00:41:27,285
You came with basically fixed songs,
694
00:41:27,402 --> 00:41:30,952
in the sense of musically as well as
lyrically, to the studio, and we were...
695
00:41:31,072 --> 00:41:33,791
I was just trying with that record to...
696
00:41:34,784 --> 00:41:37,958
...you know, disrupt the process slightly
and...maybe that...
697
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:41,424
Yeah, I noticed that you wanted to...
that you wanted to go somewhere different.
698
00:41:41,541 --> 00:41:43,043
- It wasn't much...
- So, is that why you left?
699
00:41:43,167 --> 00:41:44,840
No, no, no, no, no.
700
00:41:44,961 --> 00:41:48,431
I left basically because of our management
701
00:41:48,548 --> 00:41:54,521
and because I felt that I can't keep up
a marriage and two bands.
702
00:41:54,637 --> 00:41:57,311
- Right.
- Time was becoming a problem.
703
00:41:57,432 --> 00:42:01,312
I had had no personal conflict with you
or anyone else in the band.
704
00:42:01,436 --> 00:42:05,441
- No. No, I...l didn't think so.
- I had no musical schisma either.
705
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,362
(SIREN BLARING)
706
00:42:14,615 --> 00:42:16,663
(SIREN BLARING)
707
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:22,753
I...l sometimes listen
to the records we made...
708
00:42:22,874 --> 00:42:24,251
BLIXA: Yeah.
709
00:42:24,375 --> 00:42:27,424
...and I really wish there was
someone in the studio who had have...
710
00:42:27,503 --> 00:42:30,006
- Tell you that this is too much.
- ...told me it's too long,
711
00:42:30,131 --> 00:42:33,010
"Edit," you know,
and now I'm brutal with editing,
712
00:42:33,134 --> 00:42:35,603
and the lovely thing about editing,
713
00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:38,223
when you're actually sitting there
and doing the take,
714
00:42:38,347 --> 00:42:41,191
and you ask, "How long is the song?"
and they say, "Six minutes,"
715
00:42:41,309 --> 00:42:42,936
and then you take out a couple of verses.
716
00:42:43,061 --> 00:42:44,438
And suddenly it's better than before.
717
00:42:44,562 --> 00:42:46,781
Suddenly...well, suddenly,
it's a different song.
718
00:42:46,898 --> 00:42:48,992
In fact, you don't even know
what the song really is until...
719
00:42:49,108 --> 00:42:51,281
- Yeah.
- ...some time later when you kind of...
720
00:42:51,402 --> 00:42:52,779
BLIXA: Yeah, I know that feeling.
721
00:42:52,862 --> 00:42:54,830
."Because
of the ramifications of the edit.
722
00:42:54,947 --> 00:42:59,669
Once you've understood the song,
it's no longer of much interest,
723
00:42:59,744 --> 00:43:02,543
and some of those...
some of those great songs that you do,
724
00:43:02,622 --> 00:43:07,173
that you kind of become aware
of new things over the years,
725
00:43:07,293 --> 00:43:09,045
- with songs and...
- Yes.
726
00:43:09,170 --> 00:43:11,798
...the reason why you keep
playing them, for me...
727
00:43:11,923 --> 00:43:13,675
- Yes..
- and some of those others...
728
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,347
Others just alienate their selves
729
00:43:15,468 --> 00:43:17,470
- and go somewhere else and...
- Yeah.
730
00:43:17,595 --> 00:43:19,188
...you don't find the door any longer
731
00:43:19,263 --> 00:43:24,190
to be able to...to bring something
out of it that's still true.
732
00:43:24,310 --> 00:43:26,358
- Yeah, exactly.
- Yeah.
733
00:43:30,108 --> 00:43:33,578
NICK: I love the feeling of a song
before you understand it.
734
00:43:33,694 --> 00:43:40,327
When we're all playing deep inside the
moment, the song feels wild and unbroken.
735
00:43:40,451 --> 00:43:42,328
Soon it will become domesticated
736
00:43:42,453 --> 00:43:46,174
and we will drag it back
to something familiar and compliant
737
00:43:46,290 --> 00:43:49,635
and we'll put it in the stable
with all the other songs.
738
00:43:50,711 --> 00:43:53,965
But there is a moment
when the song is still in charge
739
00:43:54,090 --> 00:43:56,513
and you're just clinging on for dear life
740
00:43:56,634 --> 00:44:00,264
and you're hoping you don't fall off
and break your neck or something.
741
00:44:00,388 --> 00:44:02,937
It is that fleeting moment
that we chase in the studio.
742
00:44:03,057 --> 00:44:06,436
NICK: How long was that? How long is it?
743
00:44:07,562 --> 00:44:09,564
(GUITAR PLAYING)
744
00:44:17,405 --> 00:44:20,158
# Can't remember anything at all
745
00:44:21,701 --> 00:44:25,797
# Flame trees line the streets
746
00:44:32,170 --> 00:44:35,640
# Can't remember anything at all
747
00:44:37,091 --> 00:44:42,268
# But I'm driving my car down to Geneva
748
00:44:47,351 --> 00:44:52,824
# I been sitting in my basement patio
749
00:44:52,940 --> 00:44:57,241
# Aye, it was hot
750
00:44:59,697 --> 00:45:05,795
# Up above, girls walk past
751
00:45:05,912 --> 00:45:11,510
# The roses all in bloom
752
00:45:13,669 --> 00:45:19,642
# Have you ever heard
about the Higgs boson blues?
753
00:45:21,010 --> 00:45:24,605
# I'm going down to Geneva, baby
754
00:45:24,722 --> 00:45:28,397
# Gonna teach it to you
755
00:45:32,605 --> 00:45:34,733
# Who cares?
756
00:45:36,192 --> 00:45:41,790
# Who cares what the future brings?
757
00:45:45,534 --> 00:45:50,131
# Black road long
And I drove and drove
758
00:45:50,248 --> 00:45:53,092
# I came upon a crossroad
759
00:45:53,209 --> 00:45:58,090
# The night was hot and black
760
00:45:59,799 --> 00:46:02,894
# I see Robert Johnson
761
00:46:03,010 --> 00:46:07,641
# With a ten-dollar guitar
strapped to his back
762
00:46:07,765 --> 00:46:10,393
# Looking for a tune
763
00:46:13,020 --> 00:46:16,741
#Ah
764
00:46:16,857 --> 00:46:22,580
# Well, here comes Lucifer
with his canon law
765
00:46:22,697 --> 00:46:30,707
# And a hundred black babies
running from his genocidal jaw
766
00:46:32,748 --> 00:46:35,718
# He got the real killer groove
767
00:46:35,835 --> 00:46:39,089
# Robert Johnson and the devil, man
768
00:46:40,256 --> 00:46:45,558
# Dunno know who's gonna rip off who
769
00:46:47,305 --> 00:46:49,148
# Driving my car
770
00:46:49,223 --> 00:46:54,445
# Flame trees on fire
771
00:46:54,562 --> 00:46:56,405
# Sitting and singing
772
00:46:56,522 --> 00:47:00,743
# The Higgs boson blues
773
00:47:01,777 --> 00:47:04,371
# A shot rings out
774
00:47:04,488 --> 00:47:07,332
# To a spiritual groove
775
00:47:07,450 --> 00:47:11,455
# Everybody bleeding
776
00:47:11,579 --> 00:47:16,301
# To that Higgs boson blues
777
00:47:18,336 --> 00:47:20,259
# And if I die tonight
778
00:47:20,379 --> 00:47:27,763
# Bury me in my favourite
patent yellow leather shoes
779
00:47:30,598 --> 00:47:33,272
# And with a mummified cat
780
00:47:34,310 --> 00:47:36,358
# And a cone-like hat
781
00:47:36,479 --> 00:47:44,239
# That the caliphate forced on the Jews
782
00:47:45,363 --> 00:47:47,616
# Can you feel my heartbeat?
783
00:47:48,741 --> 00:47:52,962
# Can you feel my heartbeat... #
784
00:47:55,498 --> 00:47:58,217
Ssh!
785
00:47:58,334 --> 00:48:00,712
(MUSIC QUIETENS)
786
00:48:00,836 --> 00:48:06,388
# Hannah Montana
does the African savanna
787
00:48:06,509 --> 00:48:12,937
# As the simulated rainy season begins
788
00:48:14,850 --> 00:48:19,606
# She curses the queue at the Zulu
789
00:48:19,730 --> 00:48:28,332
# Moves on to Amazonia
and cries with the dolphins
790
00:48:29,407 --> 00:48:31,705
# Can you feel my heartbeat?
791
00:48:33,077 --> 00:48:38,254
# Can you feel my heartbeat?
792
00:48:39,417 --> 00:48:42,296
# Can you feel my heartbeat?
793
00:48:43,337 --> 00:48:46,216
# Mama ate the pygmy
794
00:48:46,340 --> 00:48:48,968
# The pygmy ate the monkey
795
00:48:49,093 --> 00:48:52,313
# The monkey's got a gift, man
796
00:48:52,430 --> 00:48:55,900
# And he's sending it out to you
797
00:48:57,393 --> 00:49:00,112
# A little bit of smallpox
798
00:49:00,229 --> 00:49:04,075
# A little bit of flu
Here come the missionary
799
00:49:04,191 --> 00:49:09,869
# He's saving them savages
with the Higgs boson blues
800
00:49:09,989 --> 00:49:11,081
# Yeah
801
00:49:11,198 --> 00:49:13,451
# But can you feel my heartbeat?
802
00:49:13,576 --> 00:49:17,797
# Yeah, can you feel my heartbeat?
803
00:49:17,913 --> 00:49:20,336
# Can you feel my heartbeat?
804
00:49:21,459 --> 00:49:23,132
# Yeah, I'm driving my car
805
00:49:23,252 --> 00:49:25,425
# I wanna feel your heartbeat
806
00:49:25,546 --> 00:49:27,799
# I kiss your lips
807
00:49:29,008 --> 00:49:30,976
# I kiss your lips
808
00:49:31,093 --> 00:49:34,688
# Feel you deep inside
809
00:49:34,805 --> 00:49:38,150
# Waiting for me in Geneva... #
810
00:49:38,267 --> 00:49:40,144
Ssh!
811
00:49:40,269 --> 00:49:42,021
# Waiting in Geneva
812
00:49:43,772 --> 00:49:47,572
# Waiting for me in Geneva... #
813
00:49:47,693 --> 00:49:49,570
OK.
814
00:49:49,695 --> 00:49:52,073
Ssh!
815
00:49:53,532 --> 00:49:57,878
# Ah, let the damn day break
816
00:49:57,995 --> 00:50:04,002
# Rainy days always make me sad... #
817
00:50:06,253 --> 00:50:08,381
Ssh!
818
00:50:08,464 --> 00:50:14,813
# Miley Cyrus floats in a swimming pool
in Toluca Lake
819
00:50:14,929 --> 00:50:19,400
# And you're the best girl I ever had
820
00:50:23,979 --> 00:50:27,700
# I can't remember anything at all. #
821
00:50:39,870 --> 00:50:42,293
NICK: Who knows their own story?
822
00:50:42,414 --> 00:50:45,964
Certainly, it makes no sense
when we are living in the midst of it.
823
00:50:47,044 --> 00:50:48,967
It's all just clamour and confusion.
824
00:50:50,130 --> 00:50:54,135
It only becomes a story
when we tell it and retell it.
825
00:50:55,094 --> 00:50:57,188
Our small precious recollections
826
00:50:57,263 --> 00:51:01,643
that we speak again and again
to ourselves or to others.
827
00:51:03,102 --> 00:51:05,946
First, creating the narrative of our lives
828
00:51:06,021 --> 00:51:09,821
and then keeping the story
from dissolving into darkness.
829
00:51:11,777 --> 00:51:14,121
- Hello?
- JANINE: We're over here.
830
00:51:15,197 --> 00:51:16,949
Hi. What are we doing?
831
00:51:17,074 --> 00:51:20,078
Do you mind if we go through some
of the photos your mother just sent us?
832
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,248
- Hey, are you in this picture?
- Where are you?
833
00:51:23,372 --> 00:51:25,875
- We...we can't actually identify you.
- Well...
834
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,048
- Can you...
- Yeah, I can see me.
835
00:51:28,168 --> 00:51:30,762
See that one with the ears,
singing their little heart out?
836
00:51:30,879 --> 00:51:33,348
- JANINE: What, this kid?
- NICK: Yeah.
837
00:51:33,424 --> 00:51:35,472
The one that's got "star"
written all over him.
838
00:51:35,593 --> 00:51:38,016
(THEY LAUGH)
839
00:51:38,137 --> 00:51:39,559
JANINE: What else has Dawn sent over?
840
00:51:40,723 --> 00:51:44,023
I'm that guy with the beard
and the dog collar.
841
00:51:44,101 --> 00:51:45,569
JANINE: Is that you there?
842
00:51:46,729 --> 00:51:48,447
NICK: Yeah. Gloomy, gloomy, gloomy.
843
00:51:48,564 --> 00:51:50,111
(JANINE LAUGHS)
844
00:51:51,775 --> 00:51:54,278
Yeah, I think that's from the high school
845
00:51:54,403 --> 00:51:56,246
- where I lived in the country town...
- Right, so Wangaratta.
846
00:51:56,363 --> 00:51:58,457
- Wangaratta High School, yeah...
- Northern Caulfield, yeah.
847
00:51:58,574 --> 00:52:03,080
...and we had this barber
that my mother used to fucking hate
848
00:52:03,203 --> 00:52:05,581
and, er...we all used to have this...
get the same haircut.
849
00:52:05,664 --> 00:52:08,508
He used to cut everyone
in Wangaratta's hair the same.
850
00:52:08,626 --> 00:52:13,097
He used to cut an angled fringe like that,
because he thought you'd flick it back.
851
00:52:13,213 --> 00:52:15,887
But everyone just walked around
with these things, and my mother...
852
00:52:16,008 --> 00:52:20,229
we used to come back and my mother
used to rage against this barber.
853
00:52:22,056 --> 00:52:25,151
That's me as a...l don't know,
a teenager or something.
854
00:52:25,267 --> 00:52:27,269
I was not really into sport
and stuff like that,
855
00:52:27,394 --> 00:52:30,898
and there was a bunch of us that did art,
856
00:52:30,981 --> 00:52:33,700
which basically became
The Boys Next Door.
857
00:52:33,817 --> 00:52:35,819
Oh!
858
00:52:35,944 --> 00:52:38,413
That's, um...Mick Harvey.
859
00:52:38,530 --> 00:52:40,453
That's back when he had good hair,
860
00:52:40,574 --> 00:52:42,952
and that's, um...
861
00:52:43,077 --> 00:52:46,456
that's me in the middle there with them.
862
00:52:46,580 --> 00:52:48,548
That's Tracy Pew.
863
00:52:48,624 --> 00:52:52,879
Tracy was one of those kind of guys
that come out fully formed,
864
00:52:53,003 --> 00:52:55,005
very much like Rowland Howard as well.
865
00:52:55,130 --> 00:52:58,179
You know, they just
sort of appeared, complete.
866
00:52:58,300 --> 00:53:00,678
But he was an amazing bass player,
that guy,
867
00:53:00,803 --> 00:53:04,103
and really the heart and soul
of The Birthday Party.
868
00:53:06,016 --> 00:53:09,236
There he is there.
That's Mick, Rowland.
869
00:53:09,353 --> 00:53:12,698
That's a beautiful photograph, that one.
870
00:53:14,608 --> 00:53:18,408
There's a great photograph of Tracy
being urinated on. Do you have that?
871
00:53:18,529 --> 00:53:21,373
Yeah, we do have that somewhere, don't we?
872
00:53:22,658 --> 00:53:28,381
OK, now, that is a concert
in Cologne in 1981
873
00:53:28,497 --> 00:53:32,752
and I don't know if you can see,
but this guy here is a German person,
874
00:53:32,876 --> 00:53:37,427
and he... That is Mick Harvey,
you can see that classic profile,
875
00:53:37,548 --> 00:53:39,425
and he's...actually,
we're playing King Ink
876
00:53:39,550 --> 00:53:42,429
- because he's playing, er...the drums.
- Snare drum.
877
00:53:42,553 --> 00:53:45,102
He would play the snare drum in that song
878
00:53:45,180 --> 00:53:47,683
and this man here is urinating
879
00:53:47,808 --> 00:53:53,611
and you can see the stream of urine
kind of arcing gracefully down
880
00:53:53,731 --> 00:53:55,950
into the, er...right-hand side
of that picture.
881
00:53:56,066 --> 00:53:59,070
- Can you...can you show the next picture?
- Sure.
882
00:54:00,654 --> 00:54:02,076
And there...there he is urinating.
883
00:54:02,197 --> 00:54:03,949
There is the stream of urine,
884
00:54:04,074 --> 00:54:08,045
and Tracy, noticing that
the German person is urinating
885
00:54:08,162 --> 00:54:11,211
and moving towards the German person.
886
00:54:11,331 --> 00:54:12,958
Can you...
887
00:54:13,083 --> 00:54:18,385
Now Tracy is, er...deciding
to push this person away.
888
00:54:18,464 --> 00:54:21,183
Mick is still playing away over here.
889
00:54:21,300 --> 00:54:22,643
Next.
890
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,981
There you have Mick
still playing away there.
891
00:54:27,097 --> 00:54:29,976
Rowland over there
oblivious to what's going on.
892
00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:33,320
Tracy's stopped playing the bass
altogether and is now punching the guy
893
00:54:33,437 --> 00:54:36,316
and the guy's flying backwards
off the stage.
894
00:54:37,733 --> 00:54:40,407
Yeah, it says a lot about the kind of gigs
895
00:54:40,527 --> 00:54:43,451
that we were doing
with The Birthday Party at that stage,
896
00:54:43,572 --> 00:54:47,372
because we were billed
by some promoter as
897
00:54:47,493 --> 00:54:49,666
the most violent live band in the world.
898
00:54:49,787 --> 00:54:55,885
So, what that meant was
that every skinhead and biker
899
00:54:56,001 --> 00:55:00,973
and general kind of lowlife
and, er...psychopath
900
00:55:01,089 --> 00:55:02,841
came along to these concerts.
901
00:55:02,966 --> 00:55:05,469
It seemed to us,
towards the end of The Birthday Party,
902
00:55:05,594 --> 00:55:08,222
that it had very little to do
with the music any more,
903
00:55:08,347 --> 00:55:10,349
and just people coming along to see
904
00:55:10,474 --> 00:55:12,772
what would happen at that particular gig,
and, er...
905
00:55:12,893 --> 00:55:18,616
we were kind of getting some sort of joy
out of disappointing everybody
906
00:55:18,732 --> 00:55:22,032
by just basically playing
with our backs to the audience
907
00:55:22,152 --> 00:55:28,125
and hunker down together and do these
shows towards...towards the very end.
908
00:55:31,203 --> 00:55:33,797
My last will and testament.
909
00:55:41,588 --> 00:55:44,683
OK, it seems like I wanted all my money,
910
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,519
which was nothing,
I would say, at that time...
911
00:55:47,636 --> 00:55:48,512
(JANINE CHUCKLES)
912
00:55:48,637 --> 00:55:52,437
...to go to the Nick Cave
Memorial Museum...
913
00:55:52,558 --> 00:55:54,356
(LAUGHTER)
914
00:55:55,394 --> 00:55:58,398
...a small but adequate room or rooms
915
00:55:58,522 --> 00:56:02,197
that will serve
as the Nick Cave Memorial Museum.
916
00:56:02,317 --> 00:56:06,413
Yeah, I was always a kind of...
ostentatious bastard.
917
00:56:07,948 --> 00:56:10,542
- JANINE: Do you remember writing it?
- No.
918
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:18,588
It was...'87 was a, er...
it was a difficult year to remember, '87.
919
00:56:18,709 --> 00:56:22,213
Eighty-anything was difficult
to remember, to be honest.
920
00:56:23,881 --> 00:56:25,428
You know, I shifted around continuously.
921
00:56:25,549 --> 00:56:29,349
I never really had my own place
till quite late in the picture
922
00:56:29,469 --> 00:56:32,643
and I would kind of wear out my welcome
wherever I was staying.
923
00:56:32,764 --> 00:56:35,267
But I would always have a table or a desk
924
00:56:35,392 --> 00:56:37,895
and kind of sweep it off
and stick it in a box.
925
00:56:38,020 --> 00:56:41,900
I guess that's why
there is actually an archive.
926
00:56:49,031 --> 00:56:52,911
That is my bedroom in Berlin
927
00:56:53,035 --> 00:56:55,754
and this room
is just a kind of crawl space, actually,
928
00:56:55,871 --> 00:56:58,420
cos you have to climb up a little ladder
to get into this thing.
929
00:56:58,540 --> 00:57:00,838
You can't actually stand up in here.
930
00:57:00,959 --> 00:57:04,839
So, it was just this wonderful
kind of womb-like space,
931
00:57:04,963 --> 00:57:06,590
which had a mattress where I could sleep,
932
00:57:06,715 --> 00:57:09,264
and this is where I was writing
And The Ass Saw The Angel.
933
00:57:09,384 --> 00:57:13,309
I spent quite a lot of time
at the Berlin flea market,
934
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:15,603
which happened every Saturday morning,
935
00:57:15,724 --> 00:57:18,477
and I got an incredible kind of collection
936
00:57:18,602 --> 00:57:25,907
of, um...pornography
and religious art and icons in general,
937
00:57:25,984 --> 00:57:29,079
and I came across this chocolate box...
938
00:57:30,405 --> 00:57:33,750
...and opened it up, and inside the
chocolate box, wrapped in tissue paper,
939
00:57:33,867 --> 00:57:39,089
were these three locks,
very long, of hair,
940
00:57:39,206 --> 00:57:43,302
and they were, um...
from different heads, I think,
941
00:57:43,418 --> 00:57:47,093
and that's actually it in the...hanging
there in the photograph there, right?
942
00:57:47,214 --> 00:57:51,310
And hair like this has always been
something that I come back to all the time
943
00:57:51,426 --> 00:57:53,474
in songwriting, actually.
944
00:57:53,595 --> 00:57:56,144
Do you know what this stuff here is?
945
00:57:56,223 --> 00:57:59,352
Are these torn-out pages
or is this your handwriting?
946
00:57:59,476 --> 00:58:06,530
I think they're ripped out of a book
and kind of written into. I don't know.
947
00:58:07,985 --> 00:58:10,864
Um...l don't know.
It's just shit, isn't it?
948
00:58:11,947 --> 00:58:16,202
But important shit...for me, at the time.
949
00:58:18,412 --> 00:58:20,915
I'll tell you an amazing thing
that happened with that room.
950
00:58:21,039 --> 00:58:24,168
I used to leave the door open
and...and I was on the second floor,
951
00:58:24,292 --> 00:58:28,013
and there was this guy called Chris,
he lived on the top floor,
952
00:58:28,130 --> 00:58:29,757
and one day I was writing away at the desk
953
00:58:29,881 --> 00:58:31,758
and...and sort of looked up
and he's standing,
954
00:58:31,883 --> 00:58:36,764
and I could see he was kind of fascinated
by what was on the walls
955
00:58:36,888 --> 00:58:39,232
and he said, "Do you wanna
come up to my room
956
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:42,853
"and have a look what I've got upstairs?"
Right? And I said, "Yeah, all right."
957
00:58:42,978 --> 00:58:47,199
And so we went up to his, um...
to this little flat he had up the top
958
00:58:47,315 --> 00:58:49,363
and he opened it up,
we went into the living room,
959
00:58:49,484 --> 00:58:52,954
and everywhere there was,
er...nativity stuff from Christmas.
960
00:58:53,071 --> 00:58:57,042
He would make a star and he would
cut it out of fluorescent cardboard,
961
00:58:57,159 --> 00:59:00,083
and then he would cut
another little tiny one out of that
962
00:59:00,203 --> 00:59:01,546
and then another tiny one out of that.
963
00:59:01,621 --> 00:59:02,838
It must have taken an hour or something
964
00:59:02,956 --> 00:59:05,425
to make one of these tiny little...
these little stars,
965
00:59:05,500 --> 00:59:07,844
and there were fucking thousands of them
all over the wall,
966
00:59:07,961 --> 00:59:10,180
and I'm like, "Fuck, man,
this is unbelievable.
967
00:59:10,297 --> 00:59:14,928
"This is like the most beautiful thing,
er...l can imagine.โ
968
00:59:15,052 --> 00:59:18,647
And he had all these
sort of glass-topped tables
969
00:59:18,764 --> 00:59:21,563
and he kind of said, "Check this out,"
like that, and I'm like, "Mm."
970
00:59:21,683 --> 00:59:23,777
And he turns off the main lights
971
00:59:23,894 --> 00:59:26,488
and then shines these other ones
that come up from the floor
972
00:59:26,605 --> 00:59:30,405
and they cast light
all up through the tables,
973
00:59:30,525 --> 00:59:32,527
er...which have
these pictures of Jesus
974
00:59:32,652 --> 00:59:33,778
- and baby Jesus and all that.
- Yeah.
975
00:59:33,862 --> 00:59:36,456
So, suddenly these pictures
of Jesus disappear
976
00:59:36,573 --> 00:59:39,122
and then it's all just these kind of
page three girls all kind of going...
977
00:59:39,242 --> 00:59:41,540
- Wow, yeah.
- Kind of soft porn,
978
00:59:41,620 --> 00:59:44,499
kind of Playboy stuff, which had
obviously attracted him when he...
979
00:59:44,581 --> 00:59:46,208
- KIRK: Yeah.
- ...looked in my room,
980
00:59:46,333 --> 00:59:48,677
and suddenly this whole room
had changed into this thing,
981
00:59:48,794 --> 00:59:53,800
and it was the most incredible
kind of moving sort of thing
982
00:59:53,924 --> 00:59:55,722
- that this lonely guy had...
- Yeah.
983
00:59:55,842 --> 00:59:58,891
...had been working on for...
for years and years, you know...
984
00:59:59,012 --> 01:00:00,434
- Yeah.
- ...It must have taken him to do this,
985
01:00:00,555 --> 01:00:02,523
and this sort of stuff that I have here
986
01:00:02,641 --> 01:00:04,109
- pales in significance...
- Yeah.
987
01:00:04,184 --> 01:00:07,779
...to the kind of monomania
of this incredible room.
988
01:00:07,896 --> 01:00:12,618
It really stayed with me, that kind
of power to transform yourself...
989
01:00:12,734 --> 01:00:14,156
Yeah.
990
01:00:14,277 --> 01:00:16,575
...by what you can do
with the imagination.
991
01:00:16,696 --> 01:00:17,822
Yeah.
992
01:00:17,948 --> 01:00:19,950
Anyway, I always remember that guy.
993
01:00:21,535 --> 01:00:22,661
(SYNTHESIZER PLAYS)
994
01:00:24,204 --> 01:00:26,127
- NICK: Er...Woz?
- WARREN: Yeah?
995
01:00:26,248 --> 01:00:28,967
You're starting it off
with the, er...backward fourth, right?
996
01:00:29,084 --> 01:00:30,461
- Yeah.
- Like am I doing that...
997
01:00:30,585 --> 01:00:33,304
- # I was wrong... #
- Yeah, you are doing that.
998
01:00:39,511 --> 01:00:41,513
When...when do you come in?
999
01:00:42,556 --> 01:00:44,479
When does Marty come in?
1000
01:00:45,517 --> 01:00:47,861
WARREN: After your little thing
and it goes...
1001
01:00:47,978 --> 01:00:49,321
(SYNTHESIZER PLAYS)
1002
01:00:49,437 --> 01:00:52,907
# I was riding, I was riding
1003
01:00:54,651 --> 01:00:56,870
# Over the hills
1004
01:00:59,739 --> 01:01:01,707
# Yeah
1005
01:01:03,618 --> 01:01:06,417
# The sun, the sun, the sun
1006
01:01:06,538 --> 01:01:10,884
# It was rising up over the hills
1007
01:01:11,877 --> 01:01:13,629
# Yeah
1008
01:01:44,201 --> 01:01:49,674
# I got a feeling I just can't shake
1009
01:01:51,082 --> 01:01:52,834
# I got a feeling
1010
01:01:52,959 --> 01:01:56,054
# It just won't go away
1011
01:01:56,171 --> 01:01:58,139
# You've gotta just
1012
01:01:58,256 --> 01:02:04,935
# Keep on pushing
1013
01:02:05,055 --> 01:02:10,107
# Push the sky away
1014
01:02:11,144 --> 01:02:15,775
# Some people say
that it's just rock'n'roll
1015
01:02:17,484 --> 01:02:21,910
# Oh, but it gets you
right down to your soul
1016
01:02:22,030 --> 01:02:28,379
# You've gotta just keep on pushing
1017
01:02:28,495 --> 01:02:32,090
# Keep on pushing
1018
01:02:32,207 --> 01:02:36,462
# Push the sky away
1019
01:02:48,556 --> 01:02:54,029
# You've gotta just keep on pushing
1020
01:02:54,104 --> 01:02:57,483
# Keep on pushing
1021
01:02:57,607 --> 01:03:01,783
ii Push the sky away... ii
1022
01:03:07,158 --> 01:03:08,660
(MUSIC STOPS)
1023
01:03:12,289 --> 01:03:16,419
KIRK: One of the things we wanted to find
out more about was the weather diaries.
1024
01:03:16,501 --> 01:03:21,223
Well, basically, this is
a daily inventory of the weather,
1025
01:03:21,339 --> 01:03:24,263
and what really happened was that
I was an Australian living in England...
1026
01:03:24,342 --> 01:03:26,640
- KIRK: Yeah.
- ...and was becoming increasingly upset
1027
01:03:26,761 --> 01:03:31,392
by the relentless miserable weather
1028
01:03:31,516 --> 01:03:36,773
that...that, you know...
that...that England has.
1029
01:03:36,896 --> 01:03:40,946
As a way of kind of taking control
of that in some way...
1030
01:03:42,193 --> 01:03:44,992
...or turning it to my advantage,
I decided to write about it,
1031
01:03:45,113 --> 01:03:47,912
and because bad weather is
much more interesting to write about
1032
01:03:48,033 --> 01:03:49,410
- than good weather...
- KIRK: Yeah.
1033
01:03:49,534 --> 01:03:52,959
...I was quite happy when I would wake up
and it was a miserable, stormy...
1034
01:03:53,079 --> 01:03:54,581
- KIRK: Yeah.
- ...cold, windy day.
1035
01:03:54,664 --> 01:03:57,713
NICK: The entries sort of grew
into other things as well,
1036
01:03:57,834 --> 01:04:02,340
and Susie was heavily pregnant
at the time, with the twins.
1037
01:04:02,422 --> 01:04:04,971
So, she features in it a lot.
1038
01:04:05,091 --> 01:04:08,561
There's a sequence where you see
two men in a van very briefly,
1039
01:04:08,678 --> 01:04:11,306
and you say you forgot to write about them
until five days later.
1040
01:04:11,431 --> 01:04:14,776
But you think about them all the time
and you question yourself in here
1041
01:04:14,893 --> 01:04:17,772
as to whether it's because
you're thinking about twins.
1042
01:04:21,024 --> 01:04:24,278
NICK: Ah, well, you know, on one level,
I'm a very practical kind of person
1043
01:04:24,402 --> 01:04:26,370
about the way I go about certain things.
1044
01:04:26,488 --> 01:04:30,914
But, er...there's another side that's very
superstitious, and I can tend towards
1045
01:04:31,034 --> 01:04:33,002
seeing sort of things in things,
1046
01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:37,124
especially if the basic day,
which...which this is,
1047
01:04:37,248 --> 01:04:40,627
is starting to be kind of churned
in the mill of the imagination,
1048
01:04:40,752 --> 01:04:43,005
and that's what's happening
with, er...the weather.
1049
01:04:43,129 --> 01:04:44,597
The weather is becoming not real,
1050
01:04:44,714 --> 01:04:47,558
it's becoming fictitious
because I'm writing about it.
1051
01:04:47,675 --> 01:04:50,599
- The weather is becoming a lie...
- KIRK: OK.
1052
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:53,223
...and what's going on is...
1053
01:04:53,348 --> 01:04:56,397
My day-to-day life is becoming a lie,
1054
01:04:56,518 --> 01:05:00,739
because it's...it's becoming
an imaginative exercise,
1055
01:05:00,855 --> 01:05:06,612
and I think on some level I was
very frightened about having the twins.
1056
01:05:06,736 --> 01:05:11,663
You know, I think that I was,
er...scared out of my wits.
1057
01:05:11,741 --> 01:05:15,871
And then it stops in June 2000
and restarts in August 2001.
1058
01:05:15,995 --> 01:05:18,623
- NICK: Right.
- Do you know why there's...
1059
01:05:18,748 --> 01:05:20,000
- NICK: No.
- ...a gap?
1060
01:05:20,125 --> 01:05:22,628
I don't know.
Maybe because we had the babies.
1061
01:05:22,752 --> 01:05:25,722
KIRK: It's a beautiful last line
to end on.
1062
01:05:25,839 --> 01:05:29,469
"The sky out of my window
has gone real blue now."
1063
01:05:31,469 --> 01:05:35,770
NICK: The sky in Brighton
is unlike anything I've ever seen.
1064
01:05:35,890 --> 01:05:38,484
Living by the sea,
looking out my windows,
1065
01:05:38,601 --> 01:05:41,696
I feel like I'm part
of the weather itself.
1066
01:05:41,813 --> 01:05:44,566
Sometimes the sky is so blue
1067
01:05:44,691 --> 01:05:48,867
and the reflection of the sea so dazzling
you can't even look at it,
1068
01:05:48,987 --> 01:05:54,369
and other times, great black thunderheads
roll across the ocean
1069
01:05:54,492 --> 01:05:57,996
and you feel like
you're inside the storm itself.
1070
01:05:59,539 --> 01:06:02,088
What I fear most is nature.
1071
01:06:02,208 --> 01:06:05,803
Now that it's sent its weather
to exact revenge,
1072
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,469
we're all in for it now.
1073
01:06:08,590 --> 01:06:11,434
Soon the weather
is gonna put on a real show.
1074
01:06:12,677 --> 01:06:17,399
Funnily enough, the more I write about
the weather, the worse it seems to get
1075
01:06:17,515 --> 01:06:19,688
and the more interesting it becomes
1076
01:06:19,809 --> 01:06:23,689
and the more it moulds itself
to the narrative I have set for it.
1077
01:06:25,482 --> 01:06:28,736
You know, I can control
the weather with my moods.
1078
01:06:28,860 --> 01:06:31,704
I just can't control my moods is all.
1079
01:06:37,869 --> 01:06:39,621
That's me and Kylie.
1080
01:06:39,746 --> 01:06:41,748
I'm wearing shorts there.
1081
01:06:41,873 --> 01:06:43,546
JANINE: What happened with Kylie, Nick?
1082
01:06:43,666 --> 01:06:45,839
I'd just written this song,
Where The Wild Roses Grow,
1083
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:47,257
and wanted her to sing on it
1084
01:06:47,378 --> 01:06:50,928
and we were just trying
to find out how to get to Kylie
1085
01:06:51,049 --> 01:06:54,394
and she had management
that was very protective of her
1086
01:06:54,511 --> 01:06:55,558
and protective of her image...
1087
01:06:55,678 --> 01:06:57,271
- JANINE: Yeah.
- ...and all of that sort of thing.
1088
01:06:57,388 --> 01:07:00,392
But she happened to be going out
with Michael Hutchence.
1089
01:07:00,517 --> 01:07:03,066
So...we managed to get hold of Michael
1090
01:07:03,186 --> 01:07:06,440
and she was sitting next to him
when...when we rang.
1091
01:07:06,564 --> 01:07:09,818
We said, "Can you ask Kylie
if she'll come in and sing a song for us?
1092
01:07:09,901 --> 01:07:10,868
"We have this song."
1093
01:07:10,985 --> 01:07:12,908
And we ended up on
Top Of The Pops...
1094
01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:13,951
Mm.
1095
01:07:14,072 --> 01:07:17,201
...and that whole event, around Kylie,
1096
01:07:17,325 --> 01:07:20,750
kind of lives
in this sort of weird kind of bubble
1097
01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:24,044
where life for that brief time
was kind of different,
1098
01:07:24,165 --> 01:07:27,840
because we were suddenly
thrown into this weird situation
1099
01:07:27,961 --> 01:07:29,884
of having a hit record,
1100
01:07:30,004 --> 01:07:33,929
and then, obviously, people bought
the album and listened to it,
1101
01:07:34,050 --> 01:07:37,054
and realised that, you know,
that would be the last time they would...
1102
01:07:37,178 --> 01:07:40,899
they would, er...have anything to do
with Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds again.
1103
01:07:41,015 --> 01:07:42,312
But for that moment, it was...
1104
01:07:42,433 --> 01:07:46,654
it was kind of a...for me,
a very special moment in time, you know.
1105
01:07:46,771 --> 01:07:49,320
(MUSIC PLAYING)
1106
01:07:57,490 --> 01:08:00,039
NICK: Louis Wain. Look at that.
1107
01:08:00,159 --> 01:08:02,628
That's The Fire Of The Mind
Agitates The Atmosphere, that.
1108
01:08:04,664 --> 01:08:07,133
Do you have my copy of Lolita?
1109
01:08:24,434 --> 01:08:26,402
That's Anita. Yeah.
1110
01:08:29,188 --> 01:08:31,316
That's Susie.
1111
01:08:31,441 --> 01:08:34,069
The word "muse"
I often feel reluctant to use,
1112
01:08:34,193 --> 01:08:38,790
because it feels like the muse is
something ethereal and out there.
1113
01:08:38,906 --> 01:08:40,328
It's not for me.
1114
01:08:40,450 --> 01:08:42,919
The songs are very much about people
1115
01:08:43,036 --> 01:08:46,210
and...and it's these people
that kind of prop up the songs.
1116
01:08:46,331 --> 01:08:47,878
If I sing a song like Deanna,
1117
01:08:47,999 --> 01:08:53,005
it's very much three minutes or whatever
with the memory of that person.
1118
01:08:53,129 --> 01:08:56,349
Not that I have any interest
in the way that that person is now,
1119
01:08:56,466 --> 01:08:59,470
but I have a huge interest
in the memory of that person.
1120
01:08:59,594 --> 01:09:05,146
The mythologized, edited
kind of memory of that person.
1121
01:09:05,266 --> 01:09:09,112
There's a slide that I want to show you.
If you just switch the lights off.
1122
01:09:20,740 --> 01:09:24,165
That's my absolute favourite
photograph of Susie.
1123
01:09:24,285 --> 01:09:26,538
It staggers me that, um...
1124
01:09:26,621 --> 01:09:29,374
Susie, who has this kind of innate
relationship with the camera...
1125
01:09:29,499 --> 01:09:30,421
KIRK: Yeah.
1126
01:09:30,500 --> 01:09:35,381
...can be so fiercely, er...
reluctant to be photographed,
1127
01:09:35,505 --> 01:09:40,102
and...it's really that framing
of the face,
1128
01:09:40,218 --> 01:09:44,143
of the hair, the black hair,
and the framing of the white face
1129
01:09:44,222 --> 01:09:47,271
that's really, er...interesting.
1130
01:09:49,018 --> 01:09:53,114
There's an audio clip that I wanted
to play through to you as well.
1131
01:09:53,231 --> 01:09:55,233
If you just wanna listen to this one.
1132
01:09:55,358 --> 01:10:00,660
NICK: The first time I saw Susie was at
the Victoria & Albert Museum in London
1133
01:10:00,780 --> 01:10:02,953
and when she came walking in,
1134
01:10:03,074 --> 01:10:07,750
all the things I had obsessed over for all
the years - pictures of movie stars,
1135
01:10:07,870 --> 01:10:11,750
Jenny Agutter in the billabong,
Anita Ekberg in the fountain,
1136
01:10:11,874 --> 01:10:13,968
Ali MacGraw in her black tights,
1137
01:10:14,085 --> 01:10:16,429
images from the TV when I was a kid,
1138
01:10:16,504 --> 01:10:19,758
Barbara Eden
and Elizabeth Montgomery and Abigail,
1139
01:10:19,882 --> 01:10:24,558
Miss World competitions, Marilyn Monroe
and Jennifer Jones and Bo Derek
1140
01:10:24,679 --> 01:10:26,431
and Angie Dickinson as Police Woman,
1141
01:10:26,556 --> 01:10:32,484
Maria Falconetti and Suzi Quatro,
Bolshoi ballerinas and Russian gymnasts,
1142
01:10:32,603 --> 01:10:36,358
Wonder Woman and Barbarella
and supermodels and Page 3 girls,
1143
01:10:36,482 --> 01:10:39,656
all the endless, impossible fantasies,
1144
01:10:39,777 --> 01:10:42,872
the young girls at the Wangaratta pool
lying on the hot concrete,
1145
01:10:42,989 --> 01:10:45,708
Courbet's Origin Of The World,
1146
01:10:45,783 --> 01:10:49,333
Bataille's bowl of milk,
Jean Simmons' nose ring,
1147
01:10:49,454 --> 01:10:52,082
all the stuff I had heard
and seen and read.
1148
01:10:53,332 --> 01:10:55,426
Advertising and TV commercials,
1149
01:10:55,501 --> 01:10:59,301
billboards and fashion spreads
and Playmate of the Month,
1150
01:10:59,380 --> 01:11:01,724
Caroline Jones dying in Elvis's arms,
1151
01:11:01,841 --> 01:11:05,141
Jackie O in mourning,
Tinker Bell trapped in the drawer,
1152
01:11:05,219 --> 01:11:09,315
all the continuing, never-ending
drip-feed of erotic data
1153
01:11:09,432 --> 01:11:14,279
came together at that moment
in one great big crash-bang
1154
01:11:14,395 --> 01:11:16,944
and I was lost to her
1155
01:11:17,023 --> 01:11:19,321
and that was that.
1156
01:11:21,819 --> 01:11:23,071
(SEAGULLS CRY
1157
01:11:38,252 --> 01:11:42,223
Sometimes it feels like the ghosts
of the past are all about and crowding in,
1158
01:11:42,340 --> 01:11:44,342
vying for space and recognition.
1159
01:11:46,344 --> 01:11:50,099
They are no longer content
to be kept down there in the dark.
1160
01:11:50,181 --> 01:11:52,309
They have been there too long.
1161
01:11:52,433 --> 01:11:56,279
They are angry and gathering strength
and calling for attention.
1162
01:11:58,272 --> 01:12:01,446
They're clawing their way into the future
and will be waiting there.
1163
01:12:02,527 --> 01:12:03,995
Have I remembered them enough?
1164
01:12:05,613 --> 01:12:07,661
Have I honored them sufficiently?
1165
01:12:07,740 --> 01:12:09,959
Have I done my best to keep them alive?
1166
01:12:11,035 --> 01:12:13,037
KYLIE: There's the pier.
1167
01:12:13,162 --> 01:12:15,506
You were so important in my life.
1168
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:22,681
You were like
this kind of mist that rolled in,
1169
01:12:22,797 --> 01:12:26,722
cos I knew about you and...
and I'd heard about...
1170
01:12:26,843 --> 01:12:29,062
your desire to do this song,
1171
01:12:29,178 --> 01:12:33,433
and then I saw you perform live
with The Bad Seeds and it was like, โUh!โ
1172
01:12:33,558 --> 01:12:36,653
You were walking up this ramp to go
on stage. It was like a scene from a film.
1173
01:12:36,769 --> 01:12:39,818
You all just had this kind of swagger
and the energy,
1174
01:12:39,939 --> 01:12:42,533
you know, when you're building up
to go on stage,
1175
01:12:42,650 --> 01:12:45,278
and then the performance
was just electrifying,
1176
01:12:45,403 --> 01:12:48,282
and your body language,
you were like this...
1177
01:12:48,406 --> 01:12:50,750
like a...like a tree.
1178
01:12:51,868 --> 01:12:53,666
- (LAUGHS)
- That probably doesn't sound...
1179
01:12:53,786 --> 01:12:55,129
- Like a big tree?
- Like a...
1180
01:12:55,246 --> 01:13:00,377
you know, like from a Hitchcock film,
a kind of tree in...in silhouette,
1181
01:13:00,459 --> 01:13:02,507
like really in a storm or something.
1182
01:13:02,628 --> 01:13:04,972
It was...it was amazing.
1183
01:13:05,089 --> 01:13:07,057
Cos you didn't know much
about what I did, right?
1184
01:13:07,174 --> 01:13:10,178
No, I had to speed-read your biography.
1185
01:13:10,261 --> 01:13:12,935
- Oh, you read that thing?
- Yeah.
1186
01:13:14,056 --> 01:13:16,104
- That wasn't the truth, though.
- (LAUGHS)
1187
01:13:25,359 --> 01:13:27,236
NICK: Are you worried
about being forgotten?
1188
01:13:27,361 --> 01:13:31,241
Yeah, I worry about being forgotten
and about being lonely.
1189
01:13:32,283 --> 01:13:33,205
- Oh, really?
- Yeah.
1190
01:13:33,326 --> 01:13:36,671
- You had waxworks made of you.
- I had multiple waxworks.
1191
01:13:36,787 --> 01:13:38,130
How many?
1192
01:13:38,247 --> 01:13:40,500
I think I had five.
1193
01:13:40,583 --> 01:13:42,256
- Well, at a certain point...
- I'm really jealous of you.
1194
01:13:42,376 --> 01:13:43,468
...the story went that
1195
01:13:43,544 --> 01:13:46,263
the only person who had
more waxworks than me was the Queen.
1196
01:13:46,380 --> 01:13:47,472
Is that right?
1197
01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:49,684
I don't know if that's still a fact,
but it was at the time.
1198
01:13:51,385 --> 01:13:56,642
KYLIE: I remember Michael Hutchence
telling me that he was short-sighted
1199
01:13:56,766 --> 01:14:01,397
and he tried wearing glasses or contacts
to see the audience,
1200
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,397
and it terrified him so much
he never did again.
1201
01:14:03,522 --> 01:14:05,524
- Oh, is that right?
- We spoke about that
1202
01:14:05,650 --> 01:14:10,907
because the first time I saw INXS play,
I thought that he'd looked at me,
1203
01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:13,374
which an audience member
is supposed to do.
1204
01:14:13,491 --> 01:14:15,994
Everyone in the audience
should feel like you've looked at them,
1205
01:14:16,118 --> 01:14:20,373
and it became apparent that
he probably never saw me, just a blur.
1206
01:14:20,498 --> 01:14:25,379
But he had a kind of way of
projecting outwards. I'm envious of that.
1207
01:14:25,461 --> 01:14:27,384
I'm very much a front-row kind of guy.
1208
01:14:27,505 --> 01:14:31,851
I don't feel I'm that kind
of performer that can...
1209
01:14:33,636 --> 01:14:34,979
reach out that far, you know.
1210
01:14:35,096 --> 01:14:37,315
For me, there's a kind of psychodrama
1211
01:14:37,431 --> 01:14:40,981
that goes on between
singular people in the front row
1212
01:14:41,060 --> 01:14:43,233
that becomes very important in the...
1213
01:14:43,354 --> 01:14:46,654
in the telling of the...
the narratives of the songs.
1214
01:14:46,774 --> 01:14:49,778
I get a huge amount of energy from...
1215
01:14:49,860 --> 01:14:52,033
From picking out singular...
1216
01:14:52,154 --> 01:14:53,872
People, and terrifying them.
1217
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:55,913
Really? Do you make it
your mission to terrify them?
1218
01:14:56,033 --> 01:14:59,082
Well, it's that kind of, um...
mixture of awe and terror
1219
01:14:59,203 --> 01:15:02,127
that you can get from one person
or a small group of people
1220
01:15:02,248 --> 01:15:04,592
- that is really, um...
- Mm.
1221
01:15:04,709 --> 01:15:11,843
...that gives a huge amount of, er...
energy to...to kind of transform yourself.
1222
01:15:21,767 --> 01:15:23,735
# Ooh
1223
01:15:23,853 --> 01:15:26,948
# Ah, let the damn day break
1224
01:15:28,858 --> 01:15:30,235
# Ooh
1225
01:15:30,359 --> 01:15:32,782
# Rainy days
1226
01:15:34,196 --> 01:15:36,494
# Always make me sad
1227
01:15:36,615 --> 01:15:38,743
# Ooh
1228
01:15:38,868 --> 01:15:45,126
# Miley Cyrus floats in a swimming pool
in Toluca Lake... #
1229
01:15:47,084 --> 01:15:49,132
(CROWD CHEER)
1230
01:15:49,253 --> 01:15:52,632
# You're the best girl I ever had... #
1231
01:15:52,757 --> 01:15:55,681
(CHEERING)
1232
01:15:57,219 --> 01:15:59,517
# Can you feel my heartbeat?
1233
01:16:00,848 --> 01:16:03,192
# Can you feel my heartbeat?
1234
01:16:04,226 --> 01:16:07,400
# I'm driving my car down to Geneva
1235
01:16:12,985 --> 01:16:15,204
# I'm driving
1236
01:16:17,907 --> 01:16:20,160
# Can you feel my heartbeat... #
1237
01:16:23,996 --> 01:16:26,374
(CROWD CHEERS AND CLAPS)
1238
01:16:29,877 --> 01:16:32,881
# I'm driving my car
1239
01:16:34,799 --> 01:16:37,473
# Can't remember anything at all... #
1240
01:16:40,471 --> 01:16:43,145
(AUDIENCE CHEER)
1241
01:16:47,269 --> 01:16:49,897
# Can't remember anything at all
1242
01:16:50,981 --> 01:16:52,654
# Sitting here
1243
01:16:52,775 --> 01:16:57,201
# In my basement patio. #
1244
01:16:58,531 --> 01:17:00,533
(AUDIENCE CHEER)
1245
01:17:13,379 --> 01:17:15,177
(DOOR CREAKS)
1246
01:17:31,981 --> 01:17:33,608
(FILM PLAYING)
1247
01:17:33,732 --> 01:17:36,235
(CHUCKLING) No.
1248
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:37,953
No? You don't want any?
1249
01:17:39,155 --> 01:17:40,748
AL PACINO: You wanna fuck with me?
1250
01:17:40,823 --> 01:17:42,825
(FILM CHARACTER SHOUTS)
1251
01:17:44,201 --> 01:17:46,249
You fucking with the best!
1252
01:17:46,370 --> 01:17:48,372
You want some?
1253
01:17:49,957 --> 01:17:52,460
You wanna fuck with me? OK.
1254
01:17:56,046 --> 01:17:57,889
(THEY CHUCKLE)
1255
01:17:58,007 --> 01:18:00,305
You wanna play games? OK.
1256
01:18:01,552 --> 01:18:02,678
Come on.
1257
01:18:04,930 --> 01:18:07,103
OK. You wanna play rough? OK!
1258
01:18:08,100 --> 01:18:10,194
- Say hello to my little friend!
- Say hello to my little friend!
1259
01:18:10,311 --> 01:18:12,484
(GUNFIRE)
1260
01:18:13,522 --> 01:18:18,244
# Ya, ya, ya, Ya!
1261
01:18:19,278 --> 01:18:20,404
# Ya, ya, ya, Ya!
1262
01:18:22,156 --> 01:18:23,749
# Ya, ya, ya, Ya!
1263
01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:32,425
# Ya, ya, ya, Ya!
1264
01:18:32,499 --> 01:18:35,878
# Ya, ya, ya, ya! #
1265
01:18:36,921 --> 01:18:38,389
(CROWD CHEERING)
1266
01:18:38,505 --> 01:18:40,382
# Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
1267
01:18:41,634 --> 01:18:43,386
# Oh, no, no, no... #
1268
01:18:44,553 --> 01:18:46,601
(GUITAR STARTS UP)
1269
01:18:55,940 --> 01:18:58,113
# Well, in come the Devil
1270
01:19:01,028 --> 01:19:06,034
# Said, "I've come to take you down
Mr Stagger Lee"
1271
01:19:08,661 --> 01:19:12,086
# Well, those were the last words
that the Devil said
1272
01:19:12,206 --> 01:19:14,504
# Cos Stag put four holes
1273
01:19:14,625 --> 01:19:17,219
# In his mother...fucking
1274
01:19:18,295 --> 01:19:20,969
# Head
1275
01:19:21,090 --> 01:19:26,090
# Ya, ya, ya, Ya!
1276
01:19:37,481 --> 01:19:40,325
# Ya, ya, ya, Ya!
1277
01:19:40,442 --> 01:19:43,412
# Ya, ya, ya, ya! #
1278
01:19:55,541 --> 01:19:57,464
(CROWD CHEER)
1279
01:20:03,215 --> 01:20:05,263
(CHEERING)
1280
01:20:10,014 --> 01:20:11,857
(CHEERING AND WHISTLING)
1281
01:20:14,435 --> 01:20:16,062
(CHEERING FADES)
1282
01:20:23,902 --> 01:20:25,779
(SEAGULLS CRY
1283
01:20:25,904 --> 01:20:30,284
NICK: The song is heroic,
because the song confronts death.
1284
01:20:31,827 --> 01:20:36,378
The song is immortal and bravely
stares down our own extinction.
1285
01:20:45,883 --> 01:20:50,559
The song emerges from the spirit world
with a true message.
1286
01:20:51,722 --> 01:20:55,101
One day, I will tell you
how to slay the dragon.
1287
01:21:00,481 --> 01:21:02,950
(CHEERING)
1288
01:21:11,825 --> 01:21:13,793
(CROWD CHEERS)
1289
01:21:16,872 --> 01:21:19,500
(some STARTS)
1290
01:21:41,980 --> 01:21:43,948
NICK: All of our days are numbered.
1291
01:21:44,942 --> 01:21:46,944
We cannot afford to be idle.
1292
01:21:48,028 --> 01:21:52,454
To act on a bad idea
is better than to not act at all...
1293
01:21:53,450 --> 01:21:57,921
...because the worth of the idea
never becomes apparent until you do it.
1294
01:22:00,082 --> 01:22:04,258
Sometimes this idea can be
the smallest thing in the world,
1295
01:22:04,378 --> 01:22:07,973
a little flame that you hunch over
and cup with your hand
1296
01:22:08,090 --> 01:22:12,436
and pray will not be extinguished
by all the storm that howls about it.
1297
01:22:13,762 --> 01:22:19,110
If you can hold on to that flame,
great things can be constructed around it
1298
01:22:19,226 --> 01:22:23,322
that are massive and powerful
and world-changing...
1299
01:22:25,315 --> 01:22:28,364
...all held up by the tiniest of ideas.
1300
01:22:31,113 --> 01:22:33,957
- (MUSIC PLAYING)
- (CROWD CHEERS)
1301
01:22:38,495 --> 01:22:41,123
# The problem was
1302
01:22:41,248 --> 01:22:44,593
# She had a little black book
1303
01:22:47,629 --> 01:22:50,303
# And my name
1304
01:22:50,382 --> 01:22:53,682
# It was written
1305
01:22:53,802 --> 01:22:56,681
# On every page
1306
01:23:00,100 --> 01:23:03,024
# Well, a girl's got to make ends meet
1307
01:23:03,145 --> 01:23:07,525
# Especially down on Jubilee Street
1308
01:23:14,573 --> 01:23:20,125
# I ought to practice what I preach
1309
01:23:23,832 --> 01:23:27,052
# These days I go down town
1310
01:23:29,129 --> 01:23:34,260
# In my tie and tails
1311
01:23:35,636 --> 01:23:38,389
# I got a foetus
1312
01:23:41,016 --> 01:23:43,064
# On a leash
1313
01:23:46,730 --> 01:23:49,825
# I am alone now
1314
01:23:49,900 --> 01:23:53,450
# I am beyond recriminations
1315
01:23:54,780 --> 01:23:57,659
# The curtains are shut
1316
01:23:57,741 --> 01:23:59,960
# The furniture has gone
1317
01:24:00,994 --> 01:24:03,713
# I am transforming
1318
01:24:03,830 --> 01:24:06,128
# I am vibrating
1319
01:24:06,250 --> 01:24:08,423
# I am glowing
1320
01:24:08,502 --> 01:24:11,221
# Yeah, look at me now
1321
01:24:11,338 --> 01:24:13,340
# I'm transforming
1322
01:24:13,465 --> 01:24:15,467
# I'm vibrating
1323
01:24:15,592 --> 01:24:17,765
# Look at me now
1324
01:24:21,890 --> 01:24:24,234
# Yes, I am flying
1325
01:24:24,351 --> 01:24:26,945
# I'm vibrating
1326
01:24:27,020 --> 01:24:28,897
# Look at me now
1327
01:24:33,026 --> 01:24:35,370
# Yeah
1328
01:25:30,083 --> 01:25:32,006
# Yeah
1329
01:25:50,145 --> 01:25:52,739
# I'm transforming
1330
01:25:52,856 --> 01:25:54,824
# I'm vibrating
1331
01:25:54,900 --> 01:25:56,402
# Look at me now
1332
01:25:59,946 --> 01:26:01,664
# I am flying
1333
01:26:01,740 --> 01:26:03,367
# I'm vibrating
1334
01:26:03,492 --> 01:26:05,665
# Look at me now
1335
01:26:08,872 --> 01:26:10,545
# I am flying
1336
01:26:10,624 --> 01:26:12,376
# I am glowing
1337
01:26:12,501 --> 01:26:13,969
# Look at me now
1338
01:26:16,963 --> 01:26:19,011
# I'm transforming
1339
01:26:19,132 --> 01:26:21,134
# I'm vibrating
1340
01:26:21,259 --> 01:26:23,136
# Look at me now. #
1341
01:26:50,539 --> 01:26:52,541
(CHEERING)
1342
01:27:04,219 --> 01:27:08,770
NICK: In the end, I'm not interested
in that which I fully understand.
1343
01:27:10,100 --> 01:27:13,650
The words I have written over the years
are just a veneer.
1344
01:27:14,938 --> 01:27:18,909
There are truths that lie
beneath the surface of the words...
1345
01:27:18,984 --> 01:27:24,036
truths that rise up without warning,
like the humps of a sea monster
1346
01:27:24,156 --> 01:27:26,079
and then disappear.
1347
01:27:26,199 --> 01:27:29,578
What performance and song is to me
1348
01:27:29,661 --> 01:27:33,131
is finding a way to tempt the monster
to the surface,
1349
01:27:33,248 --> 01:27:35,000
to create a space,
1350
01:27:35,125 --> 01:27:39,221
where the creature can break through
what is real and what is known to us.
1351
01:27:41,256 --> 01:27:46,478
This shimmering space,
where imagination and reality intersect...
1352
01:27:47,596 --> 01:27:52,272
...this is where all love
and tears and joy exist.
1353
01:27:53,977 --> 01:27:55,399
This is the place.
1354
01:27:56,646 --> 01:27:58,648
This is where we live.
1355
01:28:29,888 --> 01:28:31,856
(some ENDS)
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