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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,104 --> 00:00:05,773 There has been another arrest in the Mineola sex ring case. 2 00:00:05,773 --> 00:00:08,309 Today, a total of six men and women have now been arrested. 3 00:00:08,309 --> 00:00:09,810 Smith County police say 4 00:00:09,810 --> 00:00:13,414 they are accused of forcing four children, under the age of seven, 5 00:00:13,414 --> 00:00:15,049 to perform at a swingers' club. 6 00:00:23,124 --> 00:00:26,160 The brainwashing, that starts at a very young age. 7 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,762 I wasn't just the only one that was scared to speak out. 8 00:00:28,762 --> 00:00:32,666 It felt like a cult. The fear that was instilled into us. 9 00:00:32,666 --> 00:00:36,237 Words cannot describe what these children have gone through. 10 00:00:37,004 --> 00:00:38,772 There is no case here. 11 00:00:38,772 --> 00:00:40,674 This is smoke and mirrors bull [bleep]. 12 00:00:40,674 --> 00:00:42,443 You know, the defense just don't like the fact 13 00:00:42,443 --> 00:00:44,278 that their client got convicted and got a life sentence. 14 00:00:44,278 --> 00:00:45,879 I mean, let's call it what it is. 15 00:00:45,879 --> 00:00:49,283 I've called it just a plain old Texas frame-up. 16 00:00:49,283 --> 00:00:51,885 They basically took my childhood from me. 17 00:00:51,885 --> 00:00:53,887 They destroyed me and my family. 18 00:00:54,855 --> 00:00:56,990 They were guilty. 100%. 19 00:00:58,426 --> 00:01:02,363 I was told keep your mouth shut in this town. 20 00:01:02,363 --> 00:01:03,397 Don't make any waves. 21 00:01:04,598 --> 00:01:05,633 I made waves. 22 00:02:06,627 --> 00:02:08,362 This is taken in our driveway 23 00:02:09,930 --> 00:02:11,064 at Christmas. 24 00:02:16,937 --> 00:02:18,906 'Cause I love them so much 25 00:02:20,641 --> 00:02:22,210 and they've been so hurt. 26 00:02:37,225 --> 00:02:40,361 My husband John and I moved from California 27 00:02:40,361 --> 00:02:43,997 to Mineola, Texas in 2004. 28 00:02:44,932 --> 00:02:48,402 That town was so adorable. 29 00:02:48,402 --> 00:02:51,272 It was fabulous. We just fell in love. 30 00:02:53,106 --> 00:02:55,443 Mineola is a great little Texas town. 31 00:02:58,512 --> 00:03:00,548 It's quiet, relaxed living. 32 00:03:03,817 --> 00:03:06,254 It's a conservative community. 33 00:03:09,022 --> 00:03:11,525 Most of the people in Mineola are God-fearing people. 34 00:03:11,525 --> 00:03:14,061 I don't go to church every Sunday, but I'm a God-fearing man. 35 00:03:16,264 --> 00:03:20,401 The people here are absolutely wonderful. 36 00:03:20,401 --> 00:03:22,670 Mineola people will do anything 37 00:03:22,670 --> 00:03:25,038 to help their neighbors here in a heartbeat. 38 00:03:30,278 --> 00:03:31,178 It's not. 39 00:03:33,881 --> 00:03:37,351 When we first went there, it was wonderful. 40 00:03:38,686 --> 00:03:40,921 But then I started hearing stories. 41 00:03:43,524 --> 00:03:46,126 Its nickname, by the way, is Sodom and Gomorrah. 42 00:03:48,028 --> 00:03:49,096 Always has been. 43 00:03:52,199 --> 00:03:55,436 One day, I saw an article in the paper. 44 00:03:55,436 --> 00:03:58,171 Oh my gosh, this is just unbelievable. 45 00:03:58,171 --> 00:04:01,475 I didn't know we had a swingers' club in town. 46 00:04:01,475 --> 00:04:04,011 When we heard about the swingers' club it was a shock. 47 00:04:04,011 --> 00:04:05,779 People said, not in our neighborhood. 48 00:04:06,980 --> 00:04:10,318 We just couldn't believe that a swingers' club was here, 49 00:04:10,318 --> 00:04:12,453 'cause that's not us. 50 00:04:13,887 --> 00:04:17,491 There was probably maybe 10 couples, and we played movies on the TV 51 00:04:17,491 --> 00:04:20,127 and they all sit down and got to talking to each other 52 00:04:20,127 --> 00:04:23,163 and then they divided up and whoever wanted to go with whoever, 53 00:04:23,163 --> 00:04:24,031 that's what they did. 54 00:04:26,867 --> 00:04:29,470 We could imagine what was going on in there, 55 00:04:29,470 --> 00:04:30,638 but we weren't part of it. 56 00:04:31,472 --> 00:04:33,106 And it wasn't illegal. 57 00:04:33,106 --> 00:04:35,843 But to put a swingers' club around here 58 00:04:35,843 --> 00:04:39,613 is like rolling a stink bomb into a Baptist church 59 00:04:39,613 --> 00:04:42,983 and expecting everybody to just say, "Oh, that's okay," 60 00:04:42,983 --> 00:04:44,485 and keep on praying. 61 00:04:44,485 --> 00:04:50,190 For them to put it here was just, ugh. Make you grind your teeth. 62 00:04:54,061 --> 00:04:56,864 Because of the article in the newspaper, 63 00:04:56,864 --> 00:04:58,732 as a mom, I'm concerned, 64 00:04:58,732 --> 00:05:00,468 and I'm a praying woman, 65 00:05:00,468 --> 00:05:03,537 and so we drove up to the swingers' club. 66 00:05:03,537 --> 00:05:08,609 And we literally raised our hands toward that building 67 00:05:08,609 --> 00:05:12,746 and we prayed and we prayed and we prayed that it would get shut down. 68 00:05:14,415 --> 00:05:18,652 Right after that, it closed down. 69 00:05:20,020 --> 00:05:22,222 It was like it went boom. 70 00:05:22,222 --> 00:05:25,125 It was here one day and gone the next. 71 00:05:27,027 --> 00:05:30,431 I was elated. They don't belong in this town. 72 00:05:34,034 --> 00:05:36,404 My husband, John, and I, we're Baptist. 73 00:05:37,771 --> 00:05:41,675 I accepted Christ when I was 12 years old as my savior. 74 00:05:42,876 --> 00:05:45,145 In California, I went to college. 75 00:05:45,145 --> 00:05:49,783 I got my administration in early childhood development. 76 00:05:49,783 --> 00:05:51,952 And I passed it with flying colors. 77 00:05:52,886 --> 00:05:55,656 And so I became a foster mom. 78 00:05:55,656 --> 00:05:58,826 When I started taking foster children, 79 00:05:58,826 --> 00:06:00,728 they were very troubled. 80 00:06:00,728 --> 00:06:03,997 And I had made a promise, don't give up on them. 81 00:06:03,997 --> 00:06:05,866 And that's what drove me. 82 00:06:05,866 --> 00:06:10,270 At one point, I was the mother of 15 teenagers at one time in the house. 83 00:06:11,238 --> 00:06:12,205 We loved it. 84 00:06:14,207 --> 00:06:17,044 But it was so hard. 85 00:06:17,044 --> 00:06:21,949 And so in 2004, we decided we could retire, 86 00:06:21,949 --> 00:06:25,052 pay off a house, and just start relaxing. 87 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,658 And that's when we bought the house on Lake Brenda in Mineola. 88 00:06:32,125 --> 00:06:33,160 It was right on the lake. 89 00:06:34,462 --> 00:06:36,964 Just fish and retire, that was our goal. 90 00:06:39,232 --> 00:06:41,802 At the time, we had six children 91 00:06:41,802 --> 00:06:45,238 but then my son said, "You know, you're such a good mom." 92 00:06:45,238 --> 00:06:50,077 "Go help at least one or two more kids." And so I did. 93 00:06:50,077 --> 00:06:55,683 And I was given Hunter, Shelby and Carly, to be my kids. 94 00:07:04,324 --> 00:07:07,861 Before Margie's, in the beginning, we were just kids. 95 00:07:07,861 --> 00:07:10,030 It was fun, we were happy. 96 00:07:10,030 --> 00:07:12,966 Happy birthday to you. 97 00:07:12,966 --> 00:07:14,234 I loved my cap guns. 98 00:07:14,234 --> 00:07:16,504 Used to play Cowboys and Indians with my older sister. 99 00:07:17,871 --> 00:07:20,273 We used to ride bikes with the kids down the street. 100 00:07:21,609 --> 00:07:25,212 There was nothing really that bad about being kids back then. 101 00:07:26,179 --> 00:07:28,415 But then things changed in our life. 102 00:07:29,517 --> 00:07:32,352 As a child, I don't remember my dad. 103 00:07:32,352 --> 00:07:36,790 I only remember my stepdad, Jamie, ever being around. 104 00:07:38,358 --> 00:07:41,995 Jamie and my mom would get into arguments. 105 00:07:41,995 --> 00:07:44,431 And sometimes, my mom would pass out. 106 00:07:46,700 --> 00:07:50,538 As kids, we didn't really understand the things between them. 107 00:07:51,939 --> 00:07:54,875 And then one day, I remember Child Services coming. 108 00:07:57,745 --> 00:08:01,281 The reason that we were given by the social worker, 109 00:08:01,281 --> 00:08:04,985 why they were taken away, was that they were neglected. 110 00:08:04,985 --> 00:08:08,021 The parents were on crack cocaine. 111 00:08:08,021 --> 00:08:11,291 And so I took them in because I wanted to help. 112 00:08:14,194 --> 00:08:15,963 I remember the drive to their house. 113 00:08:15,963 --> 00:08:19,633 I was constantly asking, so y'all live on the lake? 114 00:08:19,633 --> 00:08:23,303 Thinking they live in the middle of this lake that we're going to. 115 00:08:23,303 --> 00:08:25,973 And when we got there, the house was nice. 116 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:28,075 The door's still broke. 117 00:08:32,479 --> 00:08:33,346 Oh, wow. 118 00:08:36,183 --> 00:08:37,150 This is different. 119 00:08:37,585 --> 00:08:38,451 It is. 120 00:08:38,451 --> 00:08:40,387 Remember that table, there. Long table. 121 00:08:41,488 --> 00:08:43,223 Carly is my little sister. 122 00:08:43,223 --> 00:08:45,158 I have always been protective of her. 123 00:08:46,359 --> 00:08:49,597 When I was at the Cantrells', I was very hyperactive. 124 00:08:50,397 --> 00:08:51,498 I was, like, four. 125 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,067 So I was the baby. 126 00:08:54,067 --> 00:08:57,404 Everyone protected me, including Shelby and Hunter. 127 00:08:57,404 --> 00:09:00,040 I never thought I'd be back in the house. 128 00:09:01,074 --> 00:09:03,911 Shelby and Carly lived in this room here. 129 00:09:06,947 --> 00:09:09,482 It actually looks the exact same. 130 00:09:12,653 --> 00:09:15,823 Margie was fun and bubbly, 131 00:09:15,823 --> 00:09:21,629 kind of the mother type of personality that a kid would want. 132 00:09:21,629 --> 00:09:27,400 John Cantrell's personality was calming and laid back, 133 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,704 but not as bubbly and open like Margie was. 134 00:09:33,774 --> 00:09:35,909 John did teach us how to fish. 135 00:09:35,909 --> 00:09:37,678 We used to watch westerns with him. 136 00:09:39,046 --> 00:09:43,116 Well, I used to wake up about 4:30 in the morning before school 137 00:09:43,116 --> 00:09:44,985 and go out and fish, 138 00:09:44,985 --> 00:09:46,654 just 'cause I liked the peace, 139 00:09:46,654 --> 00:09:48,722 and fishing was also a passion of mine. 140 00:09:54,461 --> 00:09:56,697 Well, at the time, life was okay. 141 00:09:58,031 --> 00:09:59,900 But they were very troubled. 142 00:10:00,868 --> 00:10:03,904 One day, Shelby was down in the bedroom 143 00:10:05,973 --> 00:10:10,210 and she had a pole on her bed and she was doing a pole dance. 144 00:10:12,680 --> 00:10:15,348 This is just a little seven-year-old girl. 145 00:10:15,348 --> 00:10:21,021 And she's swinging her hair around and she's doing... 146 00:10:21,021 --> 00:10:22,690 it looked like a rehearsed dance. 147 00:10:27,695 --> 00:10:29,062 Hunter was a handful. 148 00:10:30,864 --> 00:10:33,500 He was so angry and violent. 149 00:10:35,035 --> 00:10:40,573 They were extremely, extremely hard to handle children. 150 00:10:40,573 --> 00:10:44,544 Very young and very, very broken. 151 00:10:44,544 --> 00:10:46,780 But we had promised to stand by these kids. 152 00:10:49,016 --> 00:10:53,253 At that point, I had nine children in the home. 153 00:10:55,723 --> 00:10:58,859 And so, I thought, if we buy a facility, 154 00:10:58,859 --> 00:11:03,163 we can put the kids there and I can run it and have a good group home. 155 00:11:04,832 --> 00:11:07,600 So I called our real estate agent 156 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,838 and told her that I was interested in a property in town. 157 00:11:12,639 --> 00:11:16,609 But this building was in fact the swingers' club. 158 00:11:18,145 --> 00:11:21,148 The lot was really large that it sat on. 159 00:11:22,049 --> 00:11:24,117 So we decided we were going to go up 160 00:11:24,117 --> 00:11:25,986 and see if we could see in the windows. 161 00:11:27,187 --> 00:11:29,322 When Margie took me to the swingers' club, 162 00:11:29,322 --> 00:11:32,292 she told us that she was thinking about buying the place. 163 00:11:35,628 --> 00:11:37,097 Last time I was in this building, 164 00:11:37,097 --> 00:11:40,200 I think I was, like, eight years old. 165 00:11:41,835 --> 00:11:43,236 My sisters were with me, 166 00:11:45,005 --> 00:11:46,673 John and Margie. 167 00:11:49,542 --> 00:11:52,479 It's pretty hard to be in here considering what happened. 168 00:12:00,988 --> 00:12:04,457 It was wet and moldy and stunk. 169 00:12:04,457 --> 00:12:05,558 It was nasty. 170 00:12:06,794 --> 00:12:08,461 So I wouldn't let the kids go anywhere. 171 00:12:09,562 --> 00:12:13,867 And Hunter, Shelby and I stayed by the door. 172 00:12:13,867 --> 00:12:16,937 And then all of a sudden, Shelby said, "I know this place." 173 00:12:18,471 --> 00:12:22,242 "You know, if you could see in that room over there," 174 00:12:23,410 --> 00:12:25,846 "it has big white flowers with green leaves." 175 00:12:27,247 --> 00:12:28,816 So I said, "Hunter, open the door." 176 00:12:42,195 --> 00:12:45,065 She said, "Mom, that's where I had to dance." 177 00:12:45,065 --> 00:12:47,667 "And you see that part that goes like this?" 178 00:12:47,667 --> 00:12:50,103 "There was a curtain on it and Jamie was back there," 179 00:12:50,103 --> 00:12:53,473 "and I when I danced, I had to go back and give him the money." 180 00:12:59,212 --> 00:13:01,949 I just froze. I just froze. 181 00:13:03,383 --> 00:13:05,685 And then Hunter, when we were leaving, said, 182 00:13:05,685 --> 00:13:08,521 "If you look over by the big tree, my ball is there." 183 00:13:10,057 --> 00:13:11,624 And that baby's ball was there. 184 00:13:12,860 --> 00:13:13,927 I called the social worker. 185 00:13:15,628 --> 00:13:18,231 She said, "Get them to the police department immediately." 186 00:13:25,238 --> 00:13:27,340 When I got to the police department, 187 00:13:27,340 --> 00:13:29,676 I filled out what had just happened. 188 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,549 After I wrote my report out, they talked to the kids. 189 00:13:39,786 --> 00:13:45,792 They told the police that there was a room called Jamie Pittman's room, 190 00:13:47,027 --> 00:13:50,397 that they did dances and acts 191 00:13:50,397 --> 00:13:53,666 and their mother, Shauntel, would be there. 192 00:13:53,666 --> 00:13:59,172 And they said that they were trained in a kindergarten. 193 00:13:59,172 --> 00:14:03,543 My knowledge of a kindergarten is kindergarten, school. 194 00:14:04,978 --> 00:14:06,479 But it wasn't. 195 00:14:06,479 --> 00:14:09,516 It was a grooming place. 196 00:14:15,122 --> 00:14:16,990 I would think that a police department 197 00:14:16,990 --> 00:14:20,994 would go in with all barrels and investigate. 198 00:14:23,463 --> 00:14:26,934 And then I found out that within two days 199 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:28,936 they closed the case. 200 00:14:32,339 --> 00:14:35,475 To just go to Shauntel and Jamie's trailer 201 00:14:35,475 --> 00:14:37,377 and say, "Well, didn't happen," 202 00:14:37,377 --> 00:14:39,512 it was like calling the children a liar. 203 00:14:40,647 --> 00:14:43,350 And they heard everything from the kids. 204 00:14:44,584 --> 00:14:46,153 The same outcries. 205 00:14:47,754 --> 00:14:49,689 But the Mineola Police closed it. 206 00:14:51,258 --> 00:14:53,393 How dare them? 207 00:14:53,393 --> 00:14:56,163 That put a million red flags in my mind. 208 00:15:03,971 --> 00:15:06,239 The first time I heard about this case, 209 00:15:06,239 --> 00:15:07,975 I thought, oh my God. This is going on. 210 00:15:07,975 --> 00:15:11,144 This incredible child sex scandal. 211 00:15:11,144 --> 00:15:14,581 These parents had taken these kids to the swingers' club 212 00:15:14,581 --> 00:15:16,083 and they danced on stage for money. 213 00:15:17,317 --> 00:15:19,186 We need to really look into this. 214 00:15:20,988 --> 00:15:22,455 Mineola is in Wood County 215 00:15:23,823 --> 00:15:27,060 and Tyler, which is a large city, is very close, 216 00:15:27,060 --> 00:15:28,328 but it's in Smith County. 217 00:15:30,663 --> 00:15:34,301 There is a real difference in Smith County law enforcement 218 00:15:34,301 --> 00:15:36,503 as opposed to Wood County law enforcement. 219 00:15:36,503 --> 00:15:38,805 All counties in Texas are very conservative 220 00:15:38,805 --> 00:15:40,573 when it comes to law and order, 221 00:15:40,573 --> 00:15:44,177 but no county is more conservative than Smith County. 222 00:15:44,177 --> 00:15:46,013 It has a long-time reputation 223 00:15:46,013 --> 00:15:48,081 for throwing the book at criminals, 224 00:15:48,081 --> 00:15:51,284 for prosecuting hard, for investigating hard, 225 00:15:51,284 --> 00:15:53,753 for having a very high conviction rate. 226 00:15:53,753 --> 00:15:55,455 And so when the Mineola Police Department 227 00:15:55,455 --> 00:15:58,091 didn't pursue the investigation any further, 228 00:15:58,091 --> 00:16:00,027 Margie wanted something done about it. 229 00:16:00,027 --> 00:16:01,828 If the Mineola cops weren't going to listen to her, 230 00:16:01,828 --> 00:16:03,763 she was going to find somebody who would. 231 00:16:03,763 --> 00:16:06,733 So Margie decides to go to Smith County. 232 00:16:08,435 --> 00:16:11,871 And the Smith County DA's office had an assistant district attorney 233 00:16:11,871 --> 00:16:16,176 who handled nothing but child cases 234 00:16:16,176 --> 00:16:17,744 and her name was Tiffany Wickel. 235 00:16:17,744 --> 00:16:19,946 She had been part of the team 236 00:16:20,047 --> 00:16:23,783 that had taken Hunter and Shelby away from their mother. 237 00:16:23,783 --> 00:16:30,523 So when she heard about what Margie was saying, she became very alarmed. 238 00:16:30,523 --> 00:16:36,629 She came to the Mineola police department and basically tore them up. 239 00:16:36,629 --> 00:16:40,133 Listen to these outcries of these children 240 00:16:40,133 --> 00:16:41,834 and what is going on. 241 00:16:43,503 --> 00:16:44,737 And within two weeks, 242 00:16:44,737 --> 00:16:46,739 Tiffany Wickel had brought in Texas Ranger Phillip Kemp. 243 00:16:47,940 --> 00:16:49,642 Tiffany called me and said, 244 00:16:49,642 --> 00:16:54,447 "You need to bring the children to Smith County" 245 00:16:54,447 --> 00:16:57,750 "because the Texas Ranger wants to come and meet the children." 246 00:17:26,179 --> 00:17:28,315 Ranger Kemp was very nice. 247 00:17:28,315 --> 00:17:30,583 He was very good with the children. 248 00:17:33,953 --> 00:17:36,556 And he said, "And all I want you to do is just be there," 249 00:17:36,556 --> 00:17:39,025 "comfort them, you know," 250 00:17:39,126 --> 00:17:42,562 "walk them through it, you know, it's okay." That's what mommies do. 251 00:17:49,936 --> 00:17:52,239 When I first met Ranger Kemp, 252 00:17:52,239 --> 00:17:55,041 he came in with a cowboy hat and a gun. 253 00:17:55,142 --> 00:17:58,945 Cowboy looking dude. Sheriff looking guy from a Western or something. 254 00:18:00,780 --> 00:18:04,884 It was a little more exciting than I'd probably like to admit. 255 00:19:42,114 --> 00:19:45,852 It's a bit confusing, the folks involved in this. 256 00:19:45,852 --> 00:19:49,789 And let me start at the top with the eldest of all the people involved, 257 00:19:49,789 --> 00:19:50,790 which is Shelia Sones. 258 00:19:53,393 --> 00:19:55,695 And Shelia is Carly's grandmother. 259 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:58,291 Carly's grandmother, Shelia, was married to Jimmy. 260 00:21:24,684 --> 00:21:27,354 Booger Red was the nickname of Patrick Kelly. 261 00:21:27,354 --> 00:21:29,155 He was friends with Shauntel and Jamie 262 00:21:29,155 --> 00:21:32,759 and they'd hang out together at his trailer in Tyler. 263 00:21:32,759 --> 00:21:35,194 And it was in this trailer where, apparently, 264 00:21:35,194 --> 00:21:37,063 the sex kindergarten had taken place. 265 00:22:13,733 --> 00:22:17,404 Ranger Kemp's investigation uncovered a sex kindergarten 266 00:22:17,404 --> 00:22:19,305 in Tyler 267 00:22:19,406 --> 00:22:24,711 run by Shelia, Jimmy, Jamie Pittman, Booger Red 268 00:22:24,711 --> 00:22:26,178 and Shauntel. 269 00:22:27,079 --> 00:22:28,881 These kids had been indoctrinated 270 00:22:28,881 --> 00:22:30,517 into this sex kindergarten 271 00:22:30,517 --> 00:22:33,052 and then they had come up to Mineola 272 00:22:33,052 --> 00:22:34,854 and they had danced onstage for money. 273 00:22:36,188 --> 00:22:37,323 In these interviews, 274 00:22:37,424 --> 00:22:40,727 these kids increasingly told more and more things 275 00:22:40,727 --> 00:22:41,928 about what happened. 276 00:23:12,191 --> 00:23:14,293 This was one of the last times 277 00:23:14,293 --> 00:23:17,196 I actually ever saw my parents 278 00:23:17,196 --> 00:23:19,231 before I went into foster care. 279 00:23:20,533 --> 00:23:23,202 My parents were Shelia Sones and Jimmy Sones. 280 00:23:23,202 --> 00:23:25,605 Shauntel is my sister. 281 00:23:25,605 --> 00:23:28,641 And Jamie Pittman was Shauntel's boyfriend. 282 00:23:28,641 --> 00:23:31,778 Shauntel has three children, the oldest being Shelby, 283 00:23:31,778 --> 00:23:33,345 the middle being Hunter 284 00:23:33,345 --> 00:23:35,482 and then the youngest is Carly. 285 00:23:35,482 --> 00:23:37,817 I considered them my siblings. 286 00:23:37,817 --> 00:23:39,619 We were the same age. 287 00:23:39,619 --> 00:23:41,821 We didn't have the relationship of 288 00:23:41,821 --> 00:23:43,189 "Oh, that's my niece." 289 00:23:43,189 --> 00:23:46,526 It was more than that. We were raised together. 290 00:23:46,526 --> 00:23:49,862 And we called each other brother and sister all the time, 291 00:23:49,862 --> 00:23:51,297 but they got to live together 292 00:23:51,297 --> 00:23:52,565 and I didn't get to be with them. 293 00:23:52,565 --> 00:23:54,266 And I never understood that. 294 00:23:57,504 --> 00:23:59,539 I was seven years old. 295 00:24:00,072 --> 00:24:02,308 I was in gym class 296 00:24:02,308 --> 00:24:05,545 and I remember them calling me over the intercom 297 00:24:05,545 --> 00:24:07,580 to come to the principal's office. 298 00:24:07,580 --> 00:24:10,883 So, you know, I'm sittin' here thinking I did something wrong. 299 00:24:10,883 --> 00:24:13,085 So, I went to the principal's office 300 00:24:13,085 --> 00:24:16,923 and that's when a CPS worker came to pick me up. 301 00:24:18,658 --> 00:24:20,827 She took me to the Child Advocacy Center. 302 00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:26,933 That's when all of the questioning with Ranger Kemp started. 303 00:24:41,347 --> 00:24:43,349 My first impression of Ranger Kemp 304 00:24:43,349 --> 00:24:46,252 was a little intimidated. 305 00:24:46,252 --> 00:24:49,556 He was a big man with a gun and a badge. 306 00:24:49,556 --> 00:24:52,091 And he had a presence about him 307 00:24:52,091 --> 00:24:53,993 that, yeah, he was soft and easygoing, 308 00:24:53,993 --> 00:24:56,128 but it was also like... 309 00:24:56,563 --> 00:24:57,664 demanded respect. 310 00:26:31,390 --> 00:26:34,827 Shortly thereafter, Kemp brings the first indictment 311 00:26:34,827 --> 00:26:38,297 to a Smith County grand Jury on Shelia Sones. 312 00:26:39,932 --> 00:26:41,067 And in short order, 313 00:26:41,067 --> 00:26:42,835 Shelia is arrested, 314 00:26:42,835 --> 00:26:44,671 Gabby's put into foster care 315 00:26:44,671 --> 00:26:46,939 and then, not long after that, 316 00:26:47,907 --> 00:26:49,075 Jimmy, 317 00:26:49,075 --> 00:26:50,877 Booger Red, 318 00:26:50,877 --> 00:26:52,712 Jamie Pittman 319 00:26:52,712 --> 00:26:54,446 and Shauntel 320 00:26:54,446 --> 00:26:55,782 are also arrested. 321 00:26:57,049 --> 00:27:00,052 And the another man, Dennis Pittman. 322 00:27:00,052 --> 00:27:02,588 He wasn't related to Jamie Pittman, 323 00:27:02,689 --> 00:27:04,724 but he was friends with Shauntel and Jamie. 324 00:27:06,492 --> 00:27:09,061 This was huge news right away. 325 00:27:10,697 --> 00:27:13,599 Mineola was such a big part of my childhood. 326 00:27:13,700 --> 00:27:15,534 So I was assigned that case. 327 00:27:16,368 --> 00:27:17,870 It was a huge story. 328 00:27:17,870 --> 00:27:20,306 You know, as a reporter, you try to remain impartial, 329 00:27:20,306 --> 00:27:21,808 but the personal side of me, 330 00:27:21,808 --> 00:27:23,843 I was really upset about it. 331 00:27:23,843 --> 00:27:25,211 It blew our minds. 332 00:27:25,211 --> 00:27:28,247 It was just insanity, the things that we heard. 333 00:27:31,083 --> 00:27:33,619 So I was very thankful that Smith County 334 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:34,954 actually stepped up to the plate. 335 00:27:34,954 --> 00:27:36,756 They did something that Wood County wouldn't do. 336 00:27:39,158 --> 00:27:41,527 The public was outraged. 337 00:27:41,527 --> 00:27:43,996 People in the community thought these parents 338 00:27:43,996 --> 00:27:46,733 were the lowest-type people on the earth. 339 00:27:48,567 --> 00:27:50,737 What they did was unforgivable. 340 00:27:56,642 --> 00:27:59,211 We heard they were grooming the underage kids. 341 00:27:59,211 --> 00:28:00,747 We were really, really shocked 342 00:28:00,747 --> 00:28:02,314 about what was happening in that town. 343 00:28:02,314 --> 00:28:03,382 And they kept it such a secret 344 00:28:04,751 --> 00:28:07,053 that no one in town knew anything about it. 345 00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:10,522 I first learned about it in Iraq. 346 00:28:10,522 --> 00:28:12,959 It was published in the Stars and Stripes there. 347 00:28:13,993 --> 00:28:16,763 And in bold, "Mineola Swinger's Club" 348 00:28:16,763 --> 00:28:19,866 and described a big criminal case 349 00:28:19,866 --> 00:28:21,367 about people molesting children, 350 00:28:21,367 --> 00:28:24,971 having them perform on a pole 351 00:28:24,971 --> 00:28:26,205 and perform sex acts. 352 00:28:37,784 --> 00:28:40,452 I had never been to Mineola before I worked on this story. 353 00:28:40,452 --> 00:28:42,688 You feel like you are going back in time. 354 00:28:44,190 --> 00:28:46,358 You see the two sides of the tracks 355 00:28:46,358 --> 00:28:48,027 where you literally cross the railroad tracks 356 00:28:48,027 --> 00:28:50,329 and you are on the poor side of town. 357 00:28:52,431 --> 00:28:55,467 Trailer parks are everywhere. They're communities. 358 00:28:55,467 --> 00:28:58,204 They're like little villages, little hamlets 359 00:28:58,204 --> 00:28:59,405 on the outskirts of town. 360 00:29:00,706 --> 00:29:03,810 However, John and Margie lived in a house 361 00:29:03,810 --> 00:29:06,946 on that little lake just north of town. 362 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,481 From what I've seen, 363 00:29:09,481 --> 00:29:12,051 they were, at first, welcomed with open arms. 364 00:29:12,051 --> 00:29:14,253 They were conservative Christians. 365 00:29:14,253 --> 00:29:17,456 They were career foster parents back in California. 366 00:29:17,456 --> 00:29:20,659 They were career foster parents here in Texas. 367 00:29:20,659 --> 00:29:23,562 They had their hearts in the right place. 368 00:29:23,562 --> 00:29:26,565 When I met Margie, the first ten seconds, 369 00:29:26,565 --> 00:29:28,968 she comes across as very personable. 370 00:29:30,269 --> 00:29:34,406 And somewhere around the 15-minute mark, 371 00:29:34,406 --> 00:29:35,641 you begin to understand 372 00:29:35,641 --> 00:29:37,709 you're never gonna get a word in edgewise. 373 00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:41,413 And then, uh, at the 30-minute mark, 374 00:29:41,413 --> 00:29:43,449 you've heard about all you wanna hear. 375 00:29:43,449 --> 00:29:46,352 That was kind of my introduction to Margie. 376 00:29:49,655 --> 00:29:51,958 One day, my news director really pushed me 377 00:29:51,958 --> 00:29:54,160 to go and talk to Margie Cantrell. 378 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,494 And I thought there's no way 379 00:29:55,494 --> 00:29:57,363 that this woman is actually going to talk. 380 00:30:00,366 --> 00:30:02,634 But we went out to Lake Brenda. 381 00:30:06,405 --> 00:30:09,876 Lake Brenda is one of the nicest areas in East Texas. 382 00:30:12,578 --> 00:30:15,014 And I went up to Margie's door and knocked, 383 00:30:15,014 --> 00:30:16,315 and to my surprise, 384 00:30:16,315 --> 00:30:17,816 she opened the door 385 00:30:18,417 --> 00:30:20,186 and she welcomed us in. 386 00:30:20,186 --> 00:30:22,488 I remember their house was so beautiful. 387 00:30:22,488 --> 00:30:23,622 I mean, it was huge. 388 00:30:23,622 --> 00:30:25,391 These children had lived in a trailer 389 00:30:25,391 --> 00:30:27,359 and now they had this beautiful house. 390 00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:29,461 And it felt like it was just 391 00:30:29,461 --> 00:30:32,131 this perfect portrait of a home. 392 00:30:32,131 --> 00:30:35,034 I sit down on the couch and John was there, 393 00:30:35,034 --> 00:30:37,970 but he was just quietly in the background. 394 00:30:37,970 --> 00:30:39,371 He just didn't say a lot. 395 00:30:39,371 --> 00:30:41,007 I did try to talk to him a few times, 396 00:30:41,007 --> 00:30:42,641 but you just couldn't get anything out of him. 397 00:30:42,641 --> 00:30:44,843 He was pretty much like a wall in a lot of ways. 398 00:30:46,278 --> 00:30:49,848 Whereas Margie was so engaging and personable. 399 00:30:50,917 --> 00:30:52,684 All of times, in those kinds of situations, 400 00:30:52,684 --> 00:30:54,921 you do everything you can to pull something out 401 00:30:54,921 --> 00:30:56,055 and gain trust 402 00:30:56,055 --> 00:30:57,856 and want somebody to open up to you, 403 00:30:57,856 --> 00:31:00,026 but she was so open 404 00:31:00,026 --> 00:31:01,961 about everything the children had been through 405 00:31:01,961 --> 00:31:03,996 and how terrible this was. 406 00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:05,764 I became thankful 407 00:31:05,764 --> 00:31:07,799 that this woman was helping these children. 408 00:31:13,205 --> 00:31:14,840 And leading up to the trial, 409 00:31:14,941 --> 00:31:17,176 I remember it feeling almost like a Super Bowl 410 00:31:17,176 --> 00:31:19,611 because there was just so much tension. 411 00:31:20,779 --> 00:31:21,948 The heartbeat of the town 412 00:31:21,948 --> 00:31:23,682 was that finally these children 413 00:31:23,682 --> 00:31:24,984 were going to get justice, 414 00:31:24,984 --> 00:31:26,318 and finally these defendants 415 00:31:26,318 --> 00:31:28,554 were gonna be put away forever. 416 00:31:39,231 --> 00:31:40,632 The 36-year-old Pittman 417 00:31:40,632 --> 00:31:42,634 is accused of forcing young children 418 00:31:42,634 --> 00:31:44,536 under the age of seven 419 00:31:44,536 --> 00:31:47,306 to have sex with each other and adults. 420 00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:50,142 Jack Skeen is the judge. 421 00:31:50,142 --> 00:31:53,879 You did not mess around with crime in Smith County 422 00:31:53,980 --> 00:31:56,515 because Jack Skeen would go after you. 423 00:31:58,017 --> 00:32:01,453 Matt Bingham is the elected district attorney of Smith County. 424 00:32:01,453 --> 00:32:05,024 Am I an aggressive prosecutor of crimes against children? 425 00:32:05,024 --> 00:32:06,325 You better believe it. 426 00:32:06,325 --> 00:32:09,095 And he gave one of his trusted guys, Joe Murphy, 427 00:32:09,095 --> 00:32:10,529 the lead on this case. 428 00:32:10,529 --> 00:32:11,897 Words cannot describe 429 00:32:11,998 --> 00:32:14,733 what these children have gone through. 430 00:32:14,733 --> 00:32:16,435 Uh, words cannot describe 431 00:32:16,435 --> 00:32:19,705 the actions of not only Jamie Pittman, 432 00:32:19,705 --> 00:32:22,374 but all the other people that are involved in this case. 433 00:32:22,374 --> 00:32:24,410 I sat in the courtroom every single day 434 00:32:24,410 --> 00:32:27,013 and the mood was very tense. 435 00:32:28,314 --> 00:32:29,248 Margie was in the courtroom. 436 00:32:29,248 --> 00:32:31,017 You know, she was a big part of-- 437 00:32:31,017 --> 00:32:33,485 I say the word "spectacle" and I hate to even say that, 438 00:32:33,485 --> 00:32:35,021 but that's what it was in a lot of ways. 439 00:32:35,021 --> 00:32:36,655 Exhibit number 20. 440 00:32:36,655 --> 00:32:38,424 What is this? 441 00:32:38,424 --> 00:32:39,825 During the trial, 442 00:32:39,825 --> 00:32:42,461 Ranger Kemp came in and testified. 443 00:32:44,030 --> 00:32:45,464 And do all these outcries match? 444 00:32:45,464 --> 00:32:46,432 Yes, they do. 445 00:32:46,432 --> 00:32:47,733 Not only do you have that, 446 00:32:47,733 --> 00:32:50,669 do you have the existence of a swingers club? 447 00:32:50,669 --> 00:32:51,637 Yes, you do. 448 00:32:51,637 --> 00:32:53,839 He was entirely unflappable. 449 00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:56,808 He was very calm and very cool. 450 00:32:58,544 --> 00:33:01,047 And they showed the interviews with the children. 451 00:33:12,691 --> 00:33:16,062 The prosecution's case was the testimony of the children. 452 00:33:16,595 --> 00:33:18,264 So they all testified. 453 00:33:23,102 --> 00:33:24,270 They would open the doors 454 00:33:24,270 --> 00:33:25,704 and the kids would just come out 455 00:33:25,704 --> 00:33:28,140 and they were just so adorable. 456 00:33:30,776 --> 00:33:33,245 You just couldn't imagine what they went through. 457 00:33:34,146 --> 00:33:36,415 The girl worked here. 458 00:33:36,415 --> 00:33:39,085 On the stand, she testified of what it looked like, 459 00:33:39,085 --> 00:33:41,220 describing the flowers on the wall, 460 00:33:41,220 --> 00:33:42,954 saying it's what she would look at 461 00:33:42,954 --> 00:33:45,457 while being raped night after night. 462 00:33:46,725 --> 00:33:50,962 They said, in return, they got to eat dinner. 463 00:33:54,166 --> 00:33:55,267 During the first trial, 464 00:33:55,267 --> 00:33:57,203 I was maybe seven, maybe eight. 465 00:33:57,203 --> 00:33:59,538 I was stressed out. 466 00:33:59,538 --> 00:34:01,006 I was full of anxiety. 467 00:34:04,876 --> 00:34:07,979 I'm looking around and I'm seeing all of these people, 468 00:34:07,979 --> 00:34:10,716 the man in the big black robe, 469 00:34:10,716 --> 00:34:13,685 the news media was there, there was cameras. 470 00:34:13,685 --> 00:34:16,021 It was just an overwhelming experience. 471 00:34:17,556 --> 00:34:20,326 When I saw Jamie Pittman sitting there, 472 00:34:20,326 --> 00:34:22,128 I remember he looked sad. 473 00:34:22,128 --> 00:34:25,731 And I remember testifying and I... 474 00:34:26,998 --> 00:34:28,567 had no remorse. 475 00:34:35,507 --> 00:34:38,510 The trial of Jamie Pittman only lasted three days. 476 00:34:39,578 --> 00:34:42,581 And the jury came to its decision very quickly. 477 00:34:44,583 --> 00:34:46,385 When we went into the courtroom 478 00:34:46,385 --> 00:34:48,354 to hear the verdicts, 479 00:34:49,221 --> 00:34:50,256 the kids were saying, 480 00:34:50,256 --> 00:34:53,825 "It just has to be, it has to be, it has to be." 481 00:34:53,825 --> 00:34:57,263 They wanted this with all their heart and soul. 482 00:35:00,566 --> 00:35:02,334 It took less than ten minutes 483 00:35:02,334 --> 00:35:06,838 for a Smith County jury to find Jamie Pittman guilty. 484 00:35:06,838 --> 00:35:08,707 And the kids went, "Yes!" 485 00:35:11,310 --> 00:35:13,779 They felt very vindicated. 486 00:35:24,956 --> 00:35:26,758 On Monday, Pittman's girlfriend 487 00:35:26,758 --> 00:35:30,028 will be the second defendant to face a Smith County jury. 488 00:35:30,028 --> 00:35:32,531 29-year-old Shauntel Loraine Mayo 489 00:35:32,531 --> 00:35:35,234 is charged with child sexual abuse. 490 00:35:41,807 --> 00:35:43,842 Shauntel was gonna be the big case, 491 00:35:43,842 --> 00:35:46,445 because this was the mother. 492 00:35:46,445 --> 00:35:48,480 People wanted to understand how in the world 493 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,217 this woman could have these precious children 494 00:35:51,217 --> 00:35:53,219 and do something like this. 495 00:35:55,521 --> 00:35:57,889 My name is Ellen Gayle Burress. 496 00:35:57,889 --> 00:35:59,791 I have a Bachelor of Arts, 497 00:35:59,791 --> 00:36:01,227 a Master's of Science 498 00:36:01,227 --> 00:36:02,761 and a PhD. 499 00:36:02,761 --> 00:36:05,564 And until I stopped practicing, 500 00:36:05,564 --> 00:36:07,733 I was a licensed professional counselor 501 00:36:08,934 --> 00:36:10,402 and expert witness. 502 00:36:13,272 --> 00:36:15,441 Everything I saw about those kids 503 00:36:15,441 --> 00:36:17,142 talked to me about damage, 504 00:36:17,609 --> 00:36:18,810 about fear, 505 00:36:18,810 --> 00:36:19,678 and a couple of 'em, 506 00:36:20,111 --> 00:36:21,647 there was real... 507 00:36:22,314 --> 00:36:23,582 shame. 508 00:36:23,582 --> 00:36:25,384 Were you able to determine whether or not 509 00:36:25,384 --> 00:36:27,986 there was any type of grooming that was involved 510 00:36:27,986 --> 00:36:29,755 with these children? 511 00:36:29,755 --> 00:36:32,924 Well, obviously, kindergarten was the grooming spot, 512 00:36:32,924 --> 00:36:37,763 in terms of getting them ready to do in front of others 513 00:36:37,763 --> 00:36:39,631 what they wanted them to do. 514 00:36:39,631 --> 00:36:41,267 They had to teach them to dance. 515 00:36:41,267 --> 00:36:43,168 They had to teach them to touch each other 516 00:36:43,269 --> 00:36:44,436 and masturbate 517 00:36:44,436 --> 00:36:46,505 and take off their clothes 518 00:36:46,505 --> 00:36:48,340 and act sexy, 519 00:36:48,340 --> 00:36:51,543 because 5-year-olds don't act sexy. 520 00:36:53,645 --> 00:36:55,981 By the time that it had gotten to my sister 521 00:36:55,981 --> 00:36:57,015 Shauntel's trial, 522 00:36:57,015 --> 00:36:59,818 I had already been questioned a million times. 523 00:36:59,818 --> 00:37:02,654 I had already gone over the testimony a million times. 524 00:37:02,654 --> 00:37:04,290 I was tired of it. 525 00:37:04,290 --> 00:37:06,191 I was-- I was ready to quit. 526 00:37:06,292 --> 00:37:07,926 I didn't wanna do it anymore. 527 00:37:07,926 --> 00:37:11,697 But, you know, I still kept being hounded with 528 00:37:11,697 --> 00:37:13,532 "Well, you have to do this. You have to do this. 529 00:37:13,532 --> 00:37:15,301 You have to get justice for the others." 530 00:37:16,402 --> 00:37:17,569 When Gabby took the stand, 531 00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:18,937 she admitted that, yes, 532 00:37:18,937 --> 00:37:22,073 that she had been to the Mineola swingers club. 533 00:37:22,073 --> 00:37:24,343 And she said that she took "silly pills" there, 534 00:37:24,343 --> 00:37:26,578 she went to kindergarten, that she performed 535 00:37:26,578 --> 00:37:29,448 and she identified her own sister, Shauntel, 536 00:37:29,448 --> 00:37:30,982 as being someone that took her there. 537 00:37:34,453 --> 00:37:37,356 I remember my sister sitting there 538 00:37:37,356 --> 00:37:39,190 by her lawyer and she was just bawling. 539 00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:40,225 She was just-- 540 00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:46,432 She was just crying. 541 00:37:47,333 --> 00:37:49,167 And I still remember... 542 00:37:49,935 --> 00:37:51,337 not caring. 543 00:38:05,351 --> 00:38:06,952 Seeing my mom in the courtroom, 544 00:38:06,952 --> 00:38:10,356 I'm not even sure I recognized her. 545 00:39:06,812 --> 00:39:09,915 I ask you to find her guilty of what she's guilty of, 546 00:39:09,915 --> 00:39:13,151 engaging in organized criminal activity for profit 547 00:39:13,151 --> 00:39:15,454 with her own children. 548 00:39:15,454 --> 00:39:17,956 The jury deliberated for two hours. 549 00:39:17,956 --> 00:39:19,324 We, the jury, 550 00:39:19,425 --> 00:39:21,493 find the defendant, Shauntel Mayo, 551 00:39:21,493 --> 00:39:23,161 guilty of the offence. 552 00:39:23,161 --> 00:39:24,930 It was guilty right away. 553 00:39:46,518 --> 00:39:48,286 When the verdicts were read out, 554 00:39:48,286 --> 00:39:50,989 we had absolutely no emotion, you know. 555 00:39:50,989 --> 00:39:56,327 It wasn't as if they were really a family to us anymore. 556 00:40:00,899 --> 00:40:03,001 When Shauntel Mayo was found guilty, 557 00:40:03,001 --> 00:40:04,636 it was a relief for a lot of people. 558 00:40:04,636 --> 00:40:07,005 I think a lot of people were thankful 559 00:40:07,005 --> 00:40:08,840 and that these bad people 560 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,275 who did these horrible things to kids 561 00:40:10,275 --> 00:40:11,810 were gonna be locked away. 562 00:40:14,412 --> 00:40:17,282 News from the Mineola Swingers Club case. 563 00:40:17,282 --> 00:40:20,552 Jury selection for the trial of Patrick "Booger Red" Kelly, 564 00:40:20,552 --> 00:40:22,988 a friend of Shauntel Mayo and Jamie Pittman, 565 00:40:22,988 --> 00:40:25,056 is due to begin early next week. 566 00:40:31,863 --> 00:40:34,165 Booger Red, Patrick Kelly, 567 00:40:34,165 --> 00:40:36,702 was the one who had the trailer where, apparently, 568 00:40:36,702 --> 00:40:39,170 the sex kindergarten had taken place. 569 00:41:12,838 --> 00:41:15,574 So what they said is they would first go to kindergarten 570 00:41:15,574 --> 00:41:16,908 and get these dolls 571 00:41:16,908 --> 00:41:20,278 and learn how to touch themselves in different ways. 572 00:41:20,278 --> 00:41:22,548 They would put on costumes and doctor costumes 573 00:41:22,548 --> 00:41:23,682 and would go out and perform. 574 00:42:01,319 --> 00:42:03,755 The things that the kids had said about Patrick Kelly 575 00:42:03,755 --> 00:42:05,090 were sensational 576 00:42:05,090 --> 00:42:07,626 and dominated the headlines before the trial. 577 00:42:08,259 --> 00:42:09,961 But during jury selection, 578 00:42:09,961 --> 00:42:11,597 there was a massive bombshell. 579 00:42:13,231 --> 00:42:16,968 The Wood County Sheriffs came in the front door 580 00:42:16,968 --> 00:42:19,370 and barraged on my husband John, 581 00:42:19,370 --> 00:42:20,806 grabbed him up, 582 00:42:20,806 --> 00:42:21,973 ran him out of the house. 583 00:42:21,973 --> 00:42:23,441 We're like, "What is going on? 584 00:42:23,441 --> 00:42:25,811 What is going on?" 585 00:42:25,811 --> 00:42:26,878 John Cantrell, 586 00:42:26,878 --> 00:42:29,114 a man awarded custody of three young siblings 587 00:42:29,114 --> 00:42:31,449 who allegedly performed at the swingers club 588 00:42:31,449 --> 00:42:34,252 was arrested in Wood County. 589 00:42:34,252 --> 00:42:37,155 They were arresting him for molesting his daughter 590 00:42:37,155 --> 00:42:39,958 20 years ago back in California. 591 00:42:46,131 --> 00:42:49,868 How would you describe John Cantrell's personality? 592 00:42:51,703 --> 00:42:54,706 There's a phrase. "A wolf in sheep's clothing." 593 00:42:55,841 --> 00:42:59,277 He likes videos about people being raped, 594 00:42:59,277 --> 00:43:00,145 and stuff like that. 595 00:43:01,279 --> 00:43:02,347 He likes little girls. 596 00:43:04,049 --> 00:43:07,252 He would make me watch it with him. 597 00:43:07,252 --> 00:43:09,187 And when I would close my eyes, 598 00:43:09,187 --> 00:43:10,521 "No, you need to open your eyes. 599 00:43:10,521 --> 00:43:12,157 You need to see this." 600 00:43:12,157 --> 00:43:16,061 I would tell Margie what had happened 601 00:43:16,061 --> 00:43:18,664 and she would say I was a little slut. 602 00:43:18,664 --> 00:43:21,667 "It's all your fault. It's all your fault." 603 00:43:21,667 --> 00:43:24,202 This is not true. 604 00:43:24,202 --> 00:43:26,672 It didn't happen. 605 00:43:26,672 --> 00:43:29,440 Margie is a great manipulator. 606 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,444 She can make herself and make you believe 607 00:43:33,444 --> 00:43:34,545 she's right. 608 00:43:36,447 --> 00:43:38,549 And you just get brainwashed. 609 00:43:39,951 --> 00:43:41,252 She's straight evil. 49042

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