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production designers are very interesting people they
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they have to understand construction
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um they're practical people have to be
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but they also really need to be dreamers
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they're you know
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a little bit more like architects
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um and uh and
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and they're artists
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you know many of them are artists
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they can you know
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I mean they can
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they can paint beautifully
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they can draw
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it's uh very
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very useful to not dictate too specifically early on
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to a production designer
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um unless it's just so vivid in your mind or
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you know you know
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you're recreating something
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that an authenticity is what is gonna be
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driving every conversation and and every
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defining every expectation um
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very creative people
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and it's important early on to um
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allow them to dream and dream along with them
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and they can be a real secret weapon
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in terms of helping to
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to elevate the visual possibilities of a story
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and help define the tone
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perhaps in ways that might surprise you as the director
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and elevate the visual palette and
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and impact of a
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of a of a movie
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and even if you're talking about
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using all practical locations
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and not investing in building sets
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I think that if
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if you work with the production designer sometimes
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along with the cinematographer
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that you create a kind of a visual understanding of of
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of what the project can be
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and a creative and emotional investment
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from that production designer to
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you know to help
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not only get great locations and sets
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not only come up with new ideas that go even further
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in terms of details and possibilities
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but but but
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but also just you know
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be willing to commit themselves
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you know wholeheartedly
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in on the project because
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being a production designer on a project is a huge
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huge challenge
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and and it's
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there's a tremendous responsibility
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and that person deserves to be a part of the
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the most inner circle
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production designer is um
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you know is the
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is the individual who's in charge of making sure that
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that um you know
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that the stage is set for each and every scene
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that if it's a practical location
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that it looks the way it needs to look
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that it has the
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you know it it
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you can tell the story well there um
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that the um
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um it's the right
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it's the right feel
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it's interesting
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it's got the right props in it
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the right the right set decoration
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building upon that
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they're the ones who are responsible for
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not only designing sets built on sound stages
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but also making sure that they're there on time
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and that they can be
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you know efficiently transformed from
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for use in one scene uh
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into another and
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and that all of that can happen uh
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on budget and on time
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and so their
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their job is both creative um and uh
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and logistical and they
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there's a tremendous amount of pressure
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on production designers
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and they're also not always
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in the flow of the conversation
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because they're working out ahead of the production
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they're preparing sets for a week from now
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two weeks from now
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and they're not around to ask the casual question and
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and sometimes
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you know there's a sort of a
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you know a natural disconnect that happens and
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but a great production designer
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working in concert with the director and of course
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the cinematographer
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can you know
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they can literally move mountains
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production designers are very
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very dependent upon their reputation
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because it's kind of mysterious what they do
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and it's also um
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um you know
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a part of the production
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that can suddenly become very costly
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and no one sees it coming
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uh it can hold up production because
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um dates weren't made or um
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the expectations were not met creatively
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in terms of what the set was supposed to look like so
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um production designers
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depend a lot on their reputation
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it's a good idea to call and talk to people
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who've really you know
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been through the process with a production designer the
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the other thing
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though is that
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is that creative connection
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the same kind of conversation that you wanna have with
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really everybody on the production
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whether they're the
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you know the
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the costume designers
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uh the head of the makeup department
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the cinematographer
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later a composer again
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it's vitally important that the production designer
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reads the script
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understands the story
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and can come to you
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with a point of view
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so that you understand
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on an organic level
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what their instincts are telling them
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if you disagree with it
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I think it's important to state that
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and I think it's fair
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to give a production designer a chance to respond to a
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sort of a disconnect in a conversation
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so if if they're presenting one idea and you're saying
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I never really thought of it that way
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I see these photographs that you're showing me
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but I was thinking of something like this
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I don't think that's a hopeless sort of um
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non starter
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I think I think at that point
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if you allow the production designer to go back
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and think about it
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and come back at you with more um
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sort of tangible evidence of of
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of a direction that he or she would go
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that perhaps
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is more consistent with what you were talking about
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I believe that
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you can count on their ability to execute that
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because very often
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you are gonna go through a process
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with the production designer
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unlike what you will with a cinematographer
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where you're really in the moment
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as the sun is going up or coming down and the
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and the weather is about to change
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and you're trying to shoot and shoot quickly
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you're gonna be involved
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with a production designer in a more methodical way
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there will be blueprints that you will look at
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there will be small models
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perhaps of sets
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that are gonna be built
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and a chance to have a really thoughtful conversation
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um and um and so it's a
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it's a different kind of collaboration
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it often demands that you
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as a director
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have begun to formulate
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your sense of what you're going to need
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in terms of staging the scenes
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because that's what the production designer cares about
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you know where will the actors be
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where are we going to look
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where will the camera be
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you don't have to be exact
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but they need to have a sense of
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whether they're gonna need to use the entire space
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if it's a practical location
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or build a set three 60
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or you know
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will a couple of walls
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and a staircase in the foreground suffice
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that that's very meaningful
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in terms of the way they're gonna
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a lot their resources
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and so that
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that's where it's very helpful for a director to
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to you know
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have some ideas
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cinematographers can help in this regard
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and production designers can as well
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because they can come to you and say
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if we could shoot this with just two walls
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and a bit of a
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you know a a
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a railing in the foreground
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or about staircase banister
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and if you could shoot through that banister
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we could give the impression
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they could come walking down those stairs
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and go through
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and if the scene could play that way
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you know it's much more manageable
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you think that would work
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and they often can come up with ideas
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that are very creative um
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and don't involve overbuilding uh
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the set which can be so costly
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the other thing that I
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that I would
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I would say um
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in terms of working with a production designer
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even more then in working with the cinematographer
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is to come up with a lot of tangible examples
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of what it is you're talking about
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whether it's a fantasy or a comedy
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or something very realistic
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the more you can have a shared conversation over
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an image um
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the the better um
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it's um you know
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the more clarity you're gonna have as
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as a filmmaker and uh
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the clearer line of communication
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you're gonna have with the production designer
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whose job it is to make sure that on that day um
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you know those uh
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those sets are they'll
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are there to tell the story in the way that you wanna
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uh express it
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I wind up spending a great deal of time
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with a production designer at the beginning
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because the production designer is always there
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when we go scout locations and so um
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you know the the
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the beginning
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collaboration usually starts with a production designer
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a line producer
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and perhaps an assistant director
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and so in almost every instance
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the production designer is there
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you know at the the
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at the moment that you actually
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open up a production office
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they're like the
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the second higher after the
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after the line producer
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sometimes the palette
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and the colors that you're gonna use um
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something that you have very little control over
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because if you're using practical locations
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um you're not gonna be able to paint everything you
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you you may not be able to control it
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and and um um
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and sometimes it's not a character in a in a movie
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but when it can be
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then there's an important collaboration
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not just between the cinematographer
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and the production designer
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but also um
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the the costume designer
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that becomes vitally important and and
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and that's an area that's subtle
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but can be so significant
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and you can have a beautiful gown for
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you know your leading lady
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but if it bumps with the color of the walls on the set
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it you know it just
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it undercuts everything
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the cinematographer can try to
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can try to light it
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but if the color of the walls um
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you know um
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clashes with the
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the the lighting style
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it's not gonna be rich and um
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and cohesive visually
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so in order to get that kind of seamless feel
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there simply has to be an ongoing conversation
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another another really great
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um idea is to
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is to keep putting up images in the common space
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I I I I I I
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I like for the
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the production designer
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the the the
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the costume designer and the
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the property master to take their
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their best pieces of
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of research
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make color Xeroxes of them
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and stick them up on the walls over by
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usually the bathroom of the production office
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or the kitchen
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because I really
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I always want people to
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you know to be immersed in the aesthetic
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and begin to get a sense of what
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the color palette wants to be
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then as you get closer to production
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you can become much more specific about it
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but you know
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um color is another one of those factors
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right along with haircuts and makeup and
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um you know
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and the kinds of cars that they're gonna be driving
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all you know
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all of these things add up
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they're all part of the mosaic and um the
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the more you think about it discuss it
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know to examine it
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and ask those questions of yourself and of your team um
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the the more uh
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sort of cohesive and um
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on a and and
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and therefore communicative
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the movie will be on a
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on a sort of a subliminal level
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audiences should never think about these things
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you know and unless there's some extreme
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stylistic example
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but when it's right
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it means they shouldn't have to think about it
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they just feel it
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the relationship between the cinematographer
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and the production designer
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and of course
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the director
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um is vital
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it's it's the
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ultimately it's gonna define the look of the film
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the the sense of um
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of um you know
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immersion that an audience is going to feel
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uh sometimes it's a little bit tricky
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sometimes there's a kind of attention
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between cinematographers and production designers
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very often they work very
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very well together
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and yet there's this
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this kind of um
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a pressure because
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the cinematographer feels sometimes
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that they're expected to make every scene look
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exactly as it ought to look
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in some interesting
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artful way and yet
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if the set or the location won't allow the lighting
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it's either gonna take
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you know a tremendous amount of time
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to create the look that the director wants
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or that the scene seems to demand
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or it may it may just be impossible
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and it may be a
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you know situation where they have to compromise
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sometimes the color palette can uh
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uh clash with what the cinematographer
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is trying to do with the lighting
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so it's so important to
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to create um a
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a a running conversation
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and try to keep that communication going
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very often uh
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assistant directors can be invaluable
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uh uh you know in in
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in this regard
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um there are
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um you know
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the absolute work courses of every project
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and a good assistant director can do a lot more
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than just manage the schedule
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and make sure the actors are there on time um
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and they're telling people what the next setup is
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it can also be
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you know tremendous
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um administrator of information
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thinking ahead
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and making sure that people are going to be compatible
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in their understanding of
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you know what
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what the needs of a scene
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uh coming up
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might be from the various departments point of view
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not just the director's point of view
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so it's a sometimes
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managing the emotions of these very talented people
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and their own feeling
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their own pressure
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is another part of the director's job
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it doesn't just begin and
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end with cinematographers and production designers
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it can go into every area
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and every key department
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and um you know
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those collaborations are
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are are vital as well
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