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you gotta feel that that
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that flush of
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of inspiration around an idea
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and sometimes it's the themes
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sometimes it's the freshness of the
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of the presentation combined with some traditional
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familiar themes
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splash is an example of basically a 30s romantic comedy
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it makes all the boy meet girl
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boy loses girl
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boy gets girl back
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you know all the obstacles
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you know they're
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they're right out of the screwball comedies
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which I always adored
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but you you know
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even there in the 80s
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when we made splash
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it was already too tired to do it in a literal way
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yet adding the
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the you know
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the fantasy element of her being a mermaid
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it it made all of that okay
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so it was sort of
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the traditional idea
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the sort of
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the sort of quaint idea was suddenly fresh visual
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funnier and
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and more interesting a long way
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I also came up with this other theme
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that love is not perfect
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and I I actually got
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um you know
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a John Candy character to say that line
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and it became you know
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really important to me that it was the idea that
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you know you're gonna have that initial
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um rush of romance and excitement
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and then you may discover there's some complications
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there's some problems
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there's some
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you know and
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and yeah what are you gonna do with that love
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is that gonna be the thing that chases you away
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or are you gonna accept it
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um and um so uh
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that became a secondary theme
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that I became very passionate about
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with Cinderella Man
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there were a number of things that I liked about it
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it wasn't really the boxing
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even though I love sports
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um and my dad had memories of
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of Cinderella Man
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James Braddock
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and what he meant during the depression you know
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as a kind of a hero
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but I was most interested
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in finding a way to convey to modern audiences
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what the abject poverty
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of the depression meant on the population
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I thought it was particularly interesting that
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this story was about that kind of poverty
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poverty then you now mostly see in urban areas
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generally people of color
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and then here was a story about
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you know um
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an Irish you know
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Caucasian all American family
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that was going through that kind of suffering
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winding up in a kind of a ghetto
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and struggling to get out of it so I
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I'd always wanted to do something about the depression
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um an era that shaped my parents lives
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I'd always been fascinated by it
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in high school
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I made a documentary um
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about the depression
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instead of doing a written school project
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I got to make a movie
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and got an a
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too you know
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that's why I was involved in it
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and yet the real center of it was this amazing
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true story of
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of James Braddock
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and it carried a narrative that you couldn't ignore
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but I was always a little bit concerned
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that it was sort of a familiar narrative
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you know was it too familiar
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well I did my research
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I put together
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um reels of boxing scenes
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going back to Wallace Bury as the champ in
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like 1930 31
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um of course
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Raging Bull
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but also jimbratics footage and
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um and you know and
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and and everything that we could find and
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um began analyzing how we were gonna shoot it
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and so forth
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and then I came across
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on the real
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a Popeye cartoon
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the Popeye cartoon was about boxing
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well I thought this was kind of funny
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I always loved Popeye I watch it
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it's our storyline
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Popeye is down and out he wants to challenge Brutus
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Brutus is the champ
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Brutus claims he's gonna kill him
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olive oil is beside ourselves
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please don't fight Popeye
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Popeye comes back
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eat some spinach
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and lo and behold
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carries the day
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I thought it's our whole
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it's our whole plot
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when was this
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when was this cartoon made
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it was made like
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the same year James Braddock fought
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it was either about Jim Braddock or
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you know or that boxing arc was already a cliche
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they were already making satires
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out of this plotline
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uh so that definitely threw me and it worried me
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but it reminded me both
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to make the boxing as visceral and intense as possible
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it encouraged me
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to make each fight be about Jim Braddock
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his state of mind
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where he was in his quest to feed his family
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and it made me work even harder through the research
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to make sure that the depression era elements
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of the story really did resonate with audiences
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and we did elevate beyond being
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you know a boxing story with a basic plotline
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cocoon was a project
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um the first time in my career
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I came across a screenplay that had a green light
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they wanted to make the movie
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they just needed a director
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I inherited a screenplay
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that I thought was very promising as an idea
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but didn't deliver fully on a humanistic level and um
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I was very attracted to something my wife had told me
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she my wife Cheryl
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has a degree in psychology
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she spent a lot of time focusing on geriatrics
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and worked in senior
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senior citizen homes
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and one of the things that she said to me was
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you know what you could say with this script
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something I observed
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and that is that we never really get out of high school
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we never really lose those simple
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petty basic feelings
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I thought that as they get younger
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that some of those
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some of those problems might reemerge
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and they might
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you might be able to relate to them even better
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as they go through their sort of
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fountain of youth moment
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that became a central theme that I thought was fresher
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more entertaining
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more surprising
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and could connect audiences
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um with you know
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with these senior citizens in a in a
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in a more revealing and relatable way
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Apollo 13 was a true story
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that I didn't know very much about
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and I had no notion really
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of how complicated
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um the the the
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the rescue and survival story was
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and I became um
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really challenged and inspired
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by the truth of the story
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and the cinematic possibilities
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of really taking the audience on an Apollo mission
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really letting the audience understand what it was like
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to be there
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I love movies that transport you in that way
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and I took a very journalistic approach to it and
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and my motto was
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just show it
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so I wanted to take people on that experience
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that was a little bit less thematic
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and a little bit more cinematic
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in terms of you know
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the elements that's excited me the most
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as I went deeper and deeper into the project
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I began to connect with the emotional thematics
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on a much deeper level
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and I think that identifying that
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largely through the research um
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was is is um is
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is probably what gave the movie an extra dimension of
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um of of impact and
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and maybe surprised audiences in in ways I
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I know it surprised me as it
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as I kept sort of discovering it in this story
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a Beautiful Mind
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that screenplay was well
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well down the road
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was already excellent when I read it
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it would existed at imagine
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it was a project that Brian Grazer had had nursed along
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and developed carefully
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along with Karen Kehela and other people at Imagine
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and a key of Goldsman script was already very strong
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I was inspired by
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both the emotional journey of the couple
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even more than then John Nash
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I thought it was a romantic story
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I thought that it was a story of love triumphing
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in some ways
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and I also felt that it was brilliant
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the way Akiva Goldsman forced the audience
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to believe in those characters of the hallucinations
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and then pull the rug out from under the audience
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and therefore
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um not only
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not only is it a great twist
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but it leaves you understanding how real
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those hallucinations can be for somebody who is
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you know living with schizophrenia
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and I thought it was just a powerful
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fresh and very informative
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both intellectually and emotionally
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and you know
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that's a that was a powerful combination
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that just knocked me out with a screenplay
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rush was a very interesting journey for me
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it was a spec script written by Peter Morgan
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he had written Frost Nixon
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I'd very much enjoyed directing that
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and collaborating with Peter Morgan
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um and Peter told me this story of these
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these two rivals
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and I was immediately taken by it
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I had loved the Larry Bird Magic Johnson documentary
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which was you know
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about basketball rivals
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I'm a basket
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I'm an NBA fan
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and I thought that was a
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um terrific film directed
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by Ezra Adelman and
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and I immediately equated this
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um with that
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except it had this visceral component
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of Formula 1 racing so I
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I felt like that um it
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it revealed a lot about pride
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and the need to define yourself as a champion and
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and the willingness to risk everything
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and the cost of that journey
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and I connected with it on that level
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and it was immediately a movie that I wanted to see
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and the screenplay was already very strong
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but it just kept getting stronger
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the more research we did
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and the more Peter Morgan and I continue to discuss it
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and um and it was a real thrill
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that was a tremendous challenge
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logistically
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because um um
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it was not a studio movie
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uh and and and yet
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we had to deliver on what I felt was a promise of
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of um you know
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speed and Formula 1 racing uh
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which has been seen
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you know and done very well in the past
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but I needed to
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borrow from what I Learned doing the fires in backdraft
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and the boxing matches in Cinderella Man
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and the interviews
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between David Frost and Richard Nixon
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were made a conscious decision to let each set piece
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reflect the characters in a different way
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psychologically
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allow the audience to sort of feel it
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sense it through the characters
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in a way that was um
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um viscerally
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a little bit
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a little bit specific
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and with the races in rush
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I wanted them to reflect
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the psyche of either Niki Lauda or James Hunt
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depending on which
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of the two characters we were focusing on
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because it was a true two hander
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it wasn't about one character the other
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it was about a couple
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was about a rivalry
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in the way that rivalry
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you know influenced their lives for forever
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push them to you know the heights that they realized
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