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(crickets chirping)
(country music playing)
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The greatest outlaw in country
music has to be Waylon Jennings.
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I think that'd be pretty
hard to argue with.
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The evidence is overwhelming.
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("I'm A Ramblin' Man" playing)
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♪ I've been down the Mississippi ♪
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♪ Down through New Orleans ♪
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♪ Lord, I played in California ♪
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♪ There ain't too much
I haven't seen ♪
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♪ Lord, I'm a ramblin' man ♪
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♪ Don't fool around
with the ramblin' man ♪
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The truth is, there are
really two Waylons.
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There's the guy in the black
hat, the honky-tonk hero,
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and then there's the kid
with slicked-back hair
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who almost broke out with
the birth of rock and roll,
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playing bass with Buddy Holly.
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And both Waylons cheated death,
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more times than any
man has a right to.
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(theme music playing)
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Everybody always says,
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"Man, when you gonna write
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a book about the Waylon years?"
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I say, "Not as long
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as my mama's alive."
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There you go. There you go.
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Mike: Gordon "Crank" Payne
and Jerry "Jigger" Bridges
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spent the better part of their careers
on stage with Waylon Jennings.
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Crank played guitar and harmonica.
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Jigger played bass.
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Both of them got their nicknames
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from the man they knew as Hoss.
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I remember we had
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a Canadian tour with Willie,
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and Waylon warned Willie,
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he said, "You've got to do
something with this bus.
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"There's so much pot that was smoked.
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You've got to clean it up."
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Tom Bourke: We were high 24/7.
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I don't know how to tell people that,
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but, you know, how do you think
you do 200 dates a year?
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You can't unless you're on something.
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(sniffs) We ran around this
country with a sign on our head.
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It said, "Look at us, we're stupid,"
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because we were high all the time.
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Mike: Tom Bourke was the road
manager for Waylon Jennings
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from his start as a solo artist
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to super stardom as a
country music outlaw.
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Willie's bus was in front of Waylon's,
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and you could smell the smoke.
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So Willie sent it in,
and he had it steam cleaned
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and everything that
you could do to the bus,
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but it didn't work. (chuckles)
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(barking) We got to the crossing,
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the guards, they came on his bus.
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And you know how dogs sniff around?
This dog sat down.
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Just sat there and just looked around.
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He didn't know where
to bark or where to sniff.
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He had no idea what to do.
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Bourke: And they took everything
out of Willie's bus. (barking)
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They were looking underneath
the bays and everything.
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The dogs were going crazy, you know,
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and they couldn't find nothing.
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Anyway, they let Willie go, and
he gets away with everything.
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We thought that after he got through
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that it was smooth sailing
for us, you know.
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Then when our bus got there,
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they took Waylon, they
wanted to do a strip search.
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The funny part at that time is...
there was six of us, I think...
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we were honorary deputy sheriffs,
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so when they took us
into the little room,
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we just all threw the badges
on the table.
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(clatters)
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And the guy said,
"Oh shit. Just go on."
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He was a cowboy.
Some people are born that way.
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I was scared to death of them
guys, but they were cowboys.
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You know, to me
they were real cowboys.
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Mike: He was actually part Native
American on his mother's side,
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Irish and Dutch on his father's side.
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Terry Jennings says that his dad
played up both sides of his heritage,
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while growing up in a tiny West
Texas town called Littlefield.
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My dad and Uncle Tommy
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would play Cowboys and Indians.
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Well, Dad, when he was
five years old...
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(toy gun popping) ...when he was
walking on a split-rail fence,
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and they have a thing
they call a sand fighter,
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which is basically a bunch of spikes,
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and it's dragged through the ground,
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turn the dirt over
so the wind don't blow it away.
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Well, he fell off that fence
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and stuck one of those spikes right
above his ankle in the left leg,
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so it stunted the growth in his leg.
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A lot of people ask me
how tall Dad is,
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and I'll tell 'em, "He's
six-foot-one, six-foot-two,
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depending on which foot
he's standing on."
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♪ You better move away ♪
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♪ You're standing
too close to the flames ♪
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Terry: When you watch him play and you
seen him all leaning over to the left,
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that's 'cause he's over there
leaning on that short leg.
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Mike: His disability - didn't stop him
from dreaming with his brother, Tommy,
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about playing music
on the greatest stage of all,
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the Grand Ole Opry.
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Grandpa had a guitar.
Grandma played piano,
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taught him the first three chords.
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Him and Uncle Tommy,
they would get out there
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and get broomsticks and Coke crates,
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stand on those, pretending like they
were Hank Williams and Ernest Tubb.
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Mike: By the time Waylon was 14,
he was performing in public
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and working as a DJ
at a local radio station.
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By 19, he was married with children,
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but his talent caught the attention
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of another young singer-songwriter
out of Lubbock, 80 miles away.
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Buddy Holly was the first one
to take Dad into the studio.
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They were high school friends.
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And Mom, she didn't
really like him that much
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because Buddy'd pull up to the
front yard... (horn honks)
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...honk the horn, and there'd go Waylon.
(door slams)
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Kinky Friedman: Buddy Holly
was definitely the match
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that kindled the flame for
Waylon Jennings, no question.
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And he also showed Waylon
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how easy it was
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for that to go away.
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Mike: Singer-songwriter Kinky
Friedman was just a boy
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when the Crickets
made Buddy Holly a star.
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In 1958, the Crickets quit
Holly in a contract dispute.
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Buddy turned to his old pal
Waylon for help.
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Buddy'd come by the radio
station Dad was working at
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and said, "Hey, you wanna go
out on the road with me?"
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Dad said, "Sure," and he goes,
"Well, you're gonna play bass."
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And Dad goes, "I don't play bass.
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Never played a bass in my life."
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Well, Buddy handed him
a bass and says,
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"You got two weeks to learn how to
play it and meet me in New York."
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Mike: The tour was called
the Winter Dance Party,
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and it included the biggest names
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in rock and roll at the time.
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They'd been having a lot
of trouble with the bus.
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The heaters weren't working,
and they were, all the time,
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getting people to come
over and work on it.
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Well, Richie Valens and the Big Bopper
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had both had the flu
from being on that cold bus.
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Mike: Holly chartered a plane
from Mason City, Iowa,
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to Fargo, North Dakota,
in order to stay warm
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on that leg of the trip.
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There were only three seats,
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and Waylon had one of them.
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Big Bopper is just that...
he's a great big guy,
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and he was sick, and he's from Texas,
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and us Texas boys try
to look out for each other.
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And Dad says, "Man, you know,
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you'd be better off on that
plane," and he agreed.
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Later on, as they were getting
ready to go to the airplane,
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Dad and Buddy are sitting backstage,
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and they got these
little cane-back chairs
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leaning against the wall,
and they was eating hot dogs.
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And Buddy looks at him and says,
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"Well, I hear
you're scared of flying."
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He goes, "I ain't scared of nothing.
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I just gave it to Big Bopper
'cause he's got the flu."
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Buddy goes, "Well, all I got to say
is I hope your old bus freezes up."
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And Dad goes, "Well, fine,
I hope your plane crashes."
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Announcer: We interrupt this program
for a special news bulletin.
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Three young singers who soared
to the heights of show business
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on the current rock and roll
craze were killed today
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in the crash of a light plane
in an Iowa snow flurry.
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For years, he thought
he had done it, you know?
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And they was just kids
cutting up with each other.
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And but for a little confusion
about who was going to sit
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in what seat on the plane...
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he would've been the one.
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This one time,
we're in Fresno, California,
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and just before the show
he hollered at me,
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he said, "Come down
to the dressing room."
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Mike: Drummer Richie Albright
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started playing with Waylon in 1961.
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Very few people spent more time on
the road with Hoss than Richie.
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Went down there in his dressing room,
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so he shut the door
and said, "Give me a bump."
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(snorts) So I just gave him
a couple of big bumps,
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and I took a couple myself.
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Well, I forgot that the evening before
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he had given me two small packets,
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and he said, "Hold these for me."
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And I looked at 'em
and there was two of 'em,
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I said, "What's he got two for?"
So I poured 'em together.
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Richie come up on stage,
and everything seemed fine.
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Then about halfway
through the first song,
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I noticed him wobbling.
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He was swinging
and not hitting anything.
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I run up behind him,
and he's weaving even more,
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so I grabbed him,
and I said, "Are you okay?"
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Richie: I looked down
and I swear to God,
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my drumstick was a "Z."
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(chuckles)
That's the way it looked to me.
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He goes, "Don't worry about me.
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"Go back there and tell your dad
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it's gonna be okay.
It's called Atlanta Dog."
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Atlanta Dog. I'm not sure what it was.
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Mike: It was a mixture
of PCP and heroin.
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Thanks to Richie,
the two of them had snorted
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a combination of Atlanta Dog
and Peruvian Cocaine.
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I went into the dressing room,
the place is full of people,
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and Dad's just laid out on the table.
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And Deacon goes, uh, "Terry, uh we're
getting ready to call an ambulance.
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Your dad thinks
he's having a heart attack."
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Mike: Deacon was Edward James
"The Deacon" Proudfoot,
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a longstanding member
of the Oakland Chapter
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of the Hell's Angels motorcycle club,
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and head of Waylon's security detail.
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And I said, "Get all these
people out of here."
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So Deacon ran everybody
out of the room except for me,
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and I leaned over to Dad, and I said,
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"Dad, Richie told me to come down here
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"and tell you that
you're gonna be okay.
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Y'all did something
called Atlanta Dog."
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He just stood up, and he says,
"Take me to the stage."
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By the time I got back up there,
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they were actually holding Richie up,
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and he was still just
a-swinging the best he could.
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So Dad got his guitar
on best he could,
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and he started swinging at it,
missing strings.
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He was singing out of key.
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It was the worst show
I had ever seen in my life,
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but for some reason, the
audience didn't seem to mind.
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Mike: Waylon launched his solo career
in Phoenix with Richie in 1961.
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He was the star attraction
at a club called JD's.
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The only time I ever got to see
Dad was Monday or Tuesday night,
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they would do a family night,
and they'd let the kids come in.
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Basically, what it really meant was
everybody had to clean their show up.
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They had Mac, the singing bartender.
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His songs were dirty.
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He did some really, really bad jokes.
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And he played a commode lid
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with a guitar neck on it
that he called a "shitar."
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When I was in the second grade,
I decided I'd sneak downstairs
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where they were playing
rock and roll music.
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And they had half-naked girls
dancing in cages,
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called go-go dancers,
and I was in hog heaven.
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I was booked at Phoenix,
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and I went by JD's
where Waylon was playing,
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and I said, "The guy needs
to be on a major label."
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Mike: Bobby Bare was on one.
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The Country Music Hall
of Famer was instrumental
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in getting Waylon
to move to Nashville.
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He called legendary songwriter and
producer Chet Atkins personally.
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And I was cutting
my own throat doing this,
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because he has the same songs I do.
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If Chet Atkins calls you
and offers you a deal,
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it's like you're getting
a deal from God.
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I mean, Chet Atkins was Nashville.
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You know, I mean, he was the
inventor of the Nashville Sound,
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and that's where Dad wanted to go.
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♪ My dreams are shattered,
don't you see? ♪
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♪ Now, you no longer care for me ♪
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Mike: Atkins let him use
some of his own musicians,
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but Waylon's
first major studio release
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had that Nashville Sound,
clean and polished.
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Willie Nelson told Waylon in Arizona,
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one of the first times
they met, and he said,
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"Waylon, do not go to Nashville.
It'll break your heart."
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♪ ♪
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Mike: Folk Country didn't
do much on the charts,
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topping out at number nine,
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but it established Hoss as a presence
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in his new town, Nashville.
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Waylon was very charismatic.
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Well, you know,
he was probably on pills,
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but when he'd walk into the
room, he took all the air out.
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When my dad first came to Nashville,
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one of the first people he met
was Roger Miller,
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and Roger had a suitcase full
of pills that had different...
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like, some of 'em would be
half-upper, half-downer,
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or some of 'em would be, like,
part barbiturate and part this.
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They had all these names for them
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that my dad and Roger
would come up with, you know?
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And so they'd hang out there,
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and party and listen to music
all night, stay up all night.
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And then, you know, get up
and do it all over again.
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Mike: Shooter, Waylon's youngest son,
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grew up on stories
set in the Boar's Nest,
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the unofficial home of The Outsiders.
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The Boar's Nest was a place that
was run by this lady, Sue Brewer.
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It was her apartment,
and after her work at night,
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she would turn on
this little neon light.
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Some of the better writers
back in the day
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would go there 'cause it was
kind of an after-hours place.
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The story that I was told with that is she
had slept with a famous country star,
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and he knocked her up, but he didn't want
anything to do with the kid or something,
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and so she said,
"I'm gonna come to Nashville,
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and I'm gonna screw every young star
in Nashville to get back at you."
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But she ended up coming there
and working as a waitress,
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and all these stars kind of
gravitated towards her, not for sex.
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Really, she loved country music,
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and guys like Harlan Howard,
Roger Miller, Shel Silverstein,
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young Hank Williams Jr., my dad,
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like, Kris Kristofferson, Willie...
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you could go on forever.
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Mike: It was a hole-in-the-wall
for country songwriters
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that didn't quite fit
into the Nashville Sound.
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Cleverness used to be
country music's wooden leg.
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Nashville didn't get these guys any
better than they got Hank Williams.
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We just moved to town,
been in town maybe a few months.
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Waylon come back there and
parked in front of the place,
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and started walking up the sidewalk.
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And this guy walked down
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and was standing there on the stoop.
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I looked up, and there
was Cowboy Jack Clement.
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I was already a big fan of his.
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He had produced that Cash
album, Trail of Tears.
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I loved that album.
I said, "Jack Clements!
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"Hi, I'm Richie Albright,
Waylon's drummer.
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Pleased to meet you."
And he grabbed my hand,
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started shaking,
turned and went, "Blah!"
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Then he kept shaking my hand. "Blah!"
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Finally, he said, "Nice to meet you."
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And he turned around
and went back upstairs...
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and we followed him. (chuckles)
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Mike: Cowboy Jack Clement
was a producer and engineer
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for Sam Phillips at Sun Records.
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He'd recorded Elvis
Presley, Carl Perkins,
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Jerry Lee Lewis, and Johnny Cash.
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When I was about 10 or 11, that was
the first time I met Johnny Cash.
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And him and Dad showed up,
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and when they hit that door,
they hit it like pinballs.
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They were bouncing off of the walls.
328
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I thought they were just nervous.
329
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Nobody took as many pills as Waylon.
330
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Nobody could,
except maybe Johnny Cash.
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Waylon and Johnny Cash
got an apartment together,
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and, uh, Johnny would try
to make breakfast
333
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with, uh, that black suit on,
334
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and making biscuits... (chuckles)
335
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...flour all over everything.
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They were both taking a lot of pills
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and trying to hide it
from one another.
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Cash ran out one time,
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and Dad had just got enough money
to buy him a new Cadillac.
340
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And Cash just knew that he had
some pills hidden in the glove box
341
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or in behind the whole dashboard,
342
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and he went out there and...
didn't have keys or nothing...
343
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tore into the car.
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Tore that side of the
console completely out.
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He thought there was pills
in there, but there wasn't.
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(chuckles) I told Waylon a
good place to hide 'em,
347
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and that's to take
the light switch out
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and drop 'em down in the wall.
349
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So he did that, and he
come back to me later,
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and he said, "Well,
how do I get 'em out?" I said,
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"Well, you got to knock a hole
in the wall down at the bottom.
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When you really want 'em,
you gotta do that."
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It was like, um, Van Gogh and
Gauguin when they were roommates,
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where Gauguin had a better commercial
eye for what was happening.
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That would be Johnny Cash,
and yet he's another one
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that couldn't get a record deal in
Nashville. It's incredible, isn't it?
357
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They said of Van Gogh and Gauguin,
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that Gauguin loved
the sunshine, for painting,
359
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but Van Gogh loved the sun,
360
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and he got too close to it sometimes.
That's Waylon.
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I remember we were
on tour across Canada,
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and Waylon was fixing to go on stage.
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And I saw him reach in his pocket,
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take a whole handful of pills.
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I said, "Whoa!" I said,
"How many of those pills
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do you think you take
a day? Five, six?"
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He said, "Thirty."
I said, "Thirty! Holy shit."
368
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Nashville ran on amphetamines.
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I mean, this whole town was just...
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Everybody had a bottle of pills.
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We got to the point where we had to get
back out on the road to get some rest.
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You never slept when you were in town.
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Captain Midnight was our go-to guy.
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Mike: Captain Midnight,
AKA Roger Schutt,
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was a country music aficionado and DJ
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who played nothing but Waylon Jennings,
nonstop, his last day on the job.
377
00:17:01,995 --> 00:17:05,330
My nephew called me,
and he said, "Turn on KDF.
378
00:17:05,331 --> 00:17:06,599
You ain't gonna believe this shit."
379
00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:10,135
I turned it on, and Captain
Midnight, he's rambling on.
380
00:17:10,136 --> 00:17:12,371
(rattling) He had wired the door shut
381
00:17:12,372 --> 00:17:15,407
and just started playing
Waylon constantly.
382
00:17:15,408 --> 00:17:18,810
And he said, "This'll probably
be my last show here,
383
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but I just wanna play all the
good music I can," you know?
384
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And he kept playing Waylon.
385
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Mike: He landed on his feet
386
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as kind of a barbiturate middleman
387
00:17:26,786 --> 00:17:30,188
and an advisor of sorts
to the outcast songwriters.
388
00:17:30,189 --> 00:17:33,257
Captain Midnight was a
spiritual leader of the time,
389
00:17:33,258 --> 00:17:35,426
the angel on Waylon's shoulder.
390
00:17:35,427 --> 00:17:37,929
And for Waylon to have the
wisdom of surrounding himself
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by somebody good like Midnight,
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who today we could call
a homeless person,
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um, that was real good.
394
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It definitely made it easier
for him to get the drugs.
395
00:17:46,771 --> 00:17:49,006
The thing I remember
mostly about Captain Midnight
396
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is two times a day,
you didn't bother him
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'cause he was in there watching
Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoons.
398
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Bare: - If you wanted pills,
give Midnight a hundred bucks,
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he'd go to Dr. Snap
and buy a bunch of speed.
400
00:18:00,685 --> 00:18:03,587
Richie: Dr. Snap would
write the prescriptions,
401
00:18:03,588 --> 00:18:06,590
'cause he owned the drugstore
right next to his office.
402
00:18:06,591 --> 00:18:10,995
Saved a lot of lives because of all
the touring we had to do back then.
403
00:18:10,996 --> 00:18:13,963
You'd be tired from driving
all night and all day,
404
00:18:13,964 --> 00:18:16,065
probably didn't get hardly any sleep,
405
00:18:16,066 --> 00:18:18,835
so by the time it'd come showtime,
406
00:18:18,836 --> 00:18:20,570
the band used to get together and say,
407
00:18:20,571 --> 00:18:23,440
"Okay, I'm taking four of these
and three of these.
408
00:18:23,441 --> 00:18:24,741
What are you taking?"
409
00:18:24,742 --> 00:18:27,010
We all wanted to be
on the same level, right?
410
00:18:27,011 --> 00:18:29,946
So that was the ritual.
411
00:18:29,947 --> 00:18:33,182
Every time Waylon
and Richie needed money,
412
00:18:33,183 --> 00:18:36,318
they would go out to New
Mexico to the Navajo Nation
413
00:18:36,319 --> 00:18:38,087
and hang out there for a month.
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They had done it for years and years,
415
00:18:40,323 --> 00:18:42,291
and sometimes he'd go twice a year.
416
00:18:42,292 --> 00:18:43,492
They loved him.
417
00:18:43,493 --> 00:18:45,928
I mean, you'd get to town,
418
00:18:45,929 --> 00:18:48,130
and they'd have a parade for Waylon.
419
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If it wasn't for the Navajo and all
those Four Corner Indians up there,
420
00:18:51,934 --> 00:18:55,571
we probably would've starved
to death in the early '70s.
421
00:18:55,572 --> 00:18:58,340
When I went with Waylon
to the Navajo Nation,
422
00:18:58,341 --> 00:18:59,975
we stayed at a great hotel.
423
00:18:59,976 --> 00:19:01,443
It was one of those older hotels.
424
00:19:01,444 --> 00:19:05,013
John Wayne, I guess, and all of them
people used to stay at this hotel.
425
00:19:05,014 --> 00:19:07,282
And Waylon turned around,
and he said to me, he says,
426
00:19:07,283 --> 00:19:09,718
"You know, Bourke, I'm real big here."
427
00:19:09,719 --> 00:19:12,620
"Yeah, well, fuck, Waylon,
you're big everywhere."
428
00:19:12,621 --> 00:19:16,925
He says, "No, I'm like
the Rolling Stones here."
429
00:19:16,926 --> 00:19:19,661
That night at the gig, there had to be
430
00:19:19,662 --> 00:19:22,129
10,000 Navajos out there.
(country music playing)
431
00:19:22,130 --> 00:19:27,502
It was in a rodeo ring, and had those
bars that went across, you know.
432
00:19:27,503 --> 00:19:29,437
And the people were jammed up.
433
00:19:29,438 --> 00:19:32,240
They would pack those people
in there like BB's.
434
00:19:32,241 --> 00:19:33,841
I mean, they were in there drinking,
435
00:19:33,842 --> 00:19:35,710
and I can tell you right now,
if they got drunk,
436
00:19:35,711 --> 00:19:38,512
they couldn't pass out and hit
the ground until somebody left,
437
00:19:38,513 --> 00:19:40,715
'cause it was just
that tight in there.
438
00:19:40,716 --> 00:19:42,416
But when Waylon was singing,
439
00:19:42,417 --> 00:19:46,053
all them people were singing in
harmony with Waylon Jennings.
440
00:19:46,054 --> 00:19:51,826
♪ Well, the honky-tonks in Texas
were my natural second home ♪
441
00:19:51,827 --> 00:19:53,627
(cheering)
442
00:19:53,628 --> 00:19:56,496
♪ Well, you tip
your hat to the ladies ♪
443
00:19:56,497 --> 00:20:00,166
♪ And the Rose of San Antone ♪
444
00:20:00,167 --> 00:20:04,871
My understanding is "Navajo"
translates into "common people,"
445
00:20:04,872 --> 00:20:08,575
and Dad had that album out,
Love of the Common People,
446
00:20:08,576 --> 00:20:10,610
and they adopted that song as theirs,
447
00:20:10,611 --> 00:20:13,312
'cause, uh, it pretty much...
if you listen to the song...
448
00:20:13,313 --> 00:20:15,314
fits their total situation.
449
00:20:15,315 --> 00:20:17,050
We were playing there for two nights.
450
00:20:17,051 --> 00:20:19,652
And the first night, Dad
didn't make it to the show.
451
00:20:19,653 --> 00:20:22,789
Well, the Indians
didn't like that one little bit,
452
00:20:22,790 --> 00:20:25,291
and they came out,
and they started telling us,
453
00:20:25,292 --> 00:20:27,393
you know, "Waylon play now."
454
00:20:27,394 --> 00:20:29,495
And we said,
"Well, Waylon's not here."
455
00:20:29,496 --> 00:20:31,230
And they said, "Waylon's on the bus."
456
00:20:31,231 --> 00:20:33,733
And we said,
"No, he's not on the bus."
457
00:20:33,734 --> 00:20:35,801
And they took us around
to the back of the bus,
458
00:20:35,802 --> 00:20:38,437
and they said, "Look,
Waylon's name on bus.
459
00:20:38,438 --> 00:20:40,105
Waylon's on the bus."
460
00:20:40,106 --> 00:20:42,241
And we said, "Well, just
'cause his name is on the bus
461
00:20:42,242 --> 00:20:43,508
doesn't mean he's on the bus."
462
00:20:43,509 --> 00:20:46,211
Well, finally, the chief came up,
463
00:20:46,212 --> 00:20:47,612
and we took him on the bus,
464
00:20:47,613 --> 00:20:48,713
and took him all the way through it
465
00:20:48,714 --> 00:20:51,049
to prove to him that Waylon
was not on the bus.
466
00:20:51,050 --> 00:20:52,885
So they were satisfied with that,
467
00:20:52,886 --> 00:20:54,653
and we got out of there unscathed.
468
00:20:54,654 --> 00:20:57,956
The Navajo Nation thought
Waylon Jennings was king.
469
00:20:57,957 --> 00:21:01,293
He always says, "I was always
on your side." (laughs)
470
00:21:01,294 --> 00:21:02,794
Do you know? It was great.
471
00:21:02,795 --> 00:21:05,430
I remember, really distinctly,
472
00:21:05,431 --> 00:21:07,098
the first time I ever met Waylon,
473
00:21:07,099 --> 00:21:10,669
I was walking in an alley
behind Music Row in Nashville,
474
00:21:10,670 --> 00:21:12,136
and I had all my songs in a...
475
00:21:12,137 --> 00:21:14,839
fucking... some kind
of homemade satchel thing.
476
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:19,677
And Waylon pulls up in this
big, uh, Mark IV Lincoln,
477
00:21:19,678 --> 00:21:22,746
and he slams on the brakes,
and he says, "Get in, Kink.
478
00:21:22,747 --> 00:21:26,284
Walking's bad for your
image." And he was right.
479
00:21:26,285 --> 00:21:29,086
Mike: From the moment Waylon
released Folk Country,
480
00:21:29,087 --> 00:21:31,088
his image and sound had been branded
481
00:21:31,089 --> 00:21:33,457
by the Nashville way
of doing business.
482
00:21:33,458 --> 00:21:35,559
Waylon and Willie were not happy
483
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,061
about the way record companies
controlled things,
484
00:21:38,062 --> 00:21:40,364
and the way they would tell you
which songs you're gonna sing,
485
00:21:40,365 --> 00:21:43,233
and the way they would pick
the musicians for the sessions,
486
00:21:43,234 --> 00:21:45,168
and the good-old-boy
fraternity they had
487
00:21:45,169 --> 00:21:47,070
that they wouldn't let
anybody else into.
488
00:21:47,071 --> 00:21:50,673
And definitely,
drugs were anathema to them.
489
00:21:50,674 --> 00:21:53,376
Willie Nelson couldn't get arrested
490
00:21:53,377 --> 00:21:55,411
because of the way
they made him record.
491
00:21:55,412 --> 00:21:57,613
They wouldn't let him play
guitar on his own records.
492
00:21:57,614 --> 00:21:59,615
They wouldn't let him
use his own band.
493
00:21:59,616 --> 00:22:01,952
And he knew what
he wanted to sound like.
494
00:22:01,953 --> 00:22:03,586
Willie was a great songwriter.
495
00:22:03,587 --> 00:22:05,254
Everybody knew it,
but they didn't think
496
00:22:05,255 --> 00:22:07,122
he was ever going
to amount to anything.
497
00:22:07,123 --> 00:22:10,860
And when he left Nashville
in '71 to go back to Texas,
498
00:22:10,861 --> 00:22:12,662
everybody there said the same thing,
499
00:22:12,663 --> 00:22:14,464
"We'll never hear from that guy again.
500
00:22:14,465 --> 00:22:15,931
That's the end of Willie."
501
00:22:15,932 --> 00:22:17,834
And a lot of that, I think,
502
00:22:17,835 --> 00:22:20,503
was the same problem Waylon had.
503
00:22:20,504 --> 00:22:22,338
Mike: A big part of that problem,
504
00:22:22,339 --> 00:22:24,606
in Nashville parlance, was the drugs.
505
00:22:24,607 --> 00:22:28,710
In Texas, Willie was free to
pursue the life he chose to lead,
506
00:22:28,711 --> 00:22:31,546
and he found a new audience
who could appreciate him.
507
00:22:31,547 --> 00:22:35,317
About '73, Willie calls Waylon, said,
508
00:22:35,318 --> 00:22:37,052
"Waylon, you gotta get down here.
509
00:22:37,053 --> 00:22:39,087
"I have found our audience.
510
00:22:39,088 --> 00:22:42,223
"It's about half-ass hippie,
half-ass cowboy,
511
00:22:42,224 --> 00:22:43,592
but Texas is full of 'em."
512
00:22:43,593 --> 00:22:48,730
We went down to play the Armadillo
World Headquarters in Austin, Texas.
513
00:22:48,731 --> 00:22:51,700
It was a bunch of hippies
out there, and he told Willie,
514
00:22:51,701 --> 00:22:53,301
"If I go out there
515
00:22:53,302 --> 00:22:55,136
and them people give me a hard time,
516
00:22:55,137 --> 00:22:57,471
I'm gonna kick your ass!" (laughs)
517
00:22:57,472 --> 00:22:59,673
Willie had started playing
the little honky-tonks
518
00:22:59,674 --> 00:23:02,343
around Austin, and it took a hold.
519
00:23:02,344 --> 00:23:06,480
The next thing you know, he's
playing for 11, 12, 13,000 people
520
00:23:06,481 --> 00:23:08,482
at a little, small outdoor concert.
521
00:23:08,483 --> 00:23:10,484
And it grew from that, you know.
522
00:23:10,485 --> 00:23:13,186
We had never seen
any reactions like that.
523
00:23:13,187 --> 00:23:14,422
About halfway through the show,
524
00:23:14,423 --> 00:23:16,957
he was playing lead, and we
walked back there by me,
525
00:23:16,958 --> 00:23:19,993
and he said, "Somebody go get that
little redhead son of a bitch.
526
00:23:19,994 --> 00:23:21,295
What's he got me into?"
527
00:23:21,296 --> 00:23:22,897
'Cause we had never seen
528
00:23:22,898 --> 00:23:26,434
cowboys and hippies together
without fighting.
529
00:23:26,435 --> 00:23:29,136
That was kind of the start
of the whole thing.
530
00:23:29,137 --> 00:23:32,039
Mike: The whole thing was
known in country music lore
531
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,142
as the outlaw movement,
but for Waylon,
532
00:23:35,143 --> 00:23:38,111
it almost came to an end
before it ever got started.
533
00:23:38,112 --> 00:23:41,748
My dad, he had gotten sick
and, uh... from hepatitis A.
534
00:23:41,749 --> 00:23:44,651
It's like, "Who gets that?"
Everyone gets "B" and "C,"
535
00:23:44,652 --> 00:23:46,653
but I've never heard
of anybody getting "A."
536
00:23:46,654 --> 00:23:48,555
I went to the hospital to see Waylon,
537
00:23:48,556 --> 00:23:50,723
and his liver had given out on him.
538
00:23:50,724 --> 00:23:54,561
He turned yellow, and he
had stopped doing speed
539
00:23:54,562 --> 00:23:58,197
because... couldn't do it no more.
540
00:23:58,198 --> 00:24:00,099
Waylon had to get off the pills.
541
00:24:00,100 --> 00:24:01,367
He needed some money.
542
00:24:01,368 --> 00:24:05,671
He, uh, went to RCA
to ask for an advance,
543
00:24:05,672 --> 00:24:09,575
and they offered him
$5,000 if he'd re-sign.
544
00:24:09,576 --> 00:24:13,512
Well, that... even back
then, that wasn't much.
545
00:24:13,513 --> 00:24:15,747
And that's when Richie
had found Neil Reshen,
546
00:24:15,748 --> 00:24:18,149
the manager that kind of came
in and turned it all around.
547
00:24:18,150 --> 00:24:20,352
"Mad dog on a leash,"
that's what I call him.
548
00:24:20,353 --> 00:24:24,022
He was exactly what Dad needed
at the time when he came along.
549
00:24:24,023 --> 00:24:27,325
He was a coked-up Jewish lawyer.
550
00:24:27,326 --> 00:24:29,628
(laughs) I don't know.
551
00:24:29,629 --> 00:24:33,398
He had a very thin, kind of
an Abe Lincoln type beard,
552
00:24:33,399 --> 00:24:36,067
was the manager for Miles Davis,
553
00:24:36,068 --> 00:24:38,303
and so "knew where
all the bodies were buried."
554
00:24:38,304 --> 00:24:41,806
I told Waylon, I said, "You're
probably not going to like this guy,
555
00:24:41,807 --> 00:24:44,275
but just listen
to what he has to say."
556
00:24:44,276 --> 00:24:46,744
And so he did, and they hooked up
557
00:24:46,745 --> 00:24:49,014
with a handshake after that meeting.
558
00:24:49,015 --> 00:24:51,048
And I took Neil back to the airport,
559
00:24:51,049 --> 00:24:54,785
and Willie Nelson came down to
the airport, met up with Neil.
560
00:24:54,786 --> 00:24:58,389
And they had a handshake, and by the
time Neil went back to New York,
561
00:24:58,390 --> 00:25:02,092
he was managing the two biggest
acts in country music.
562
00:25:02,093 --> 00:25:03,828
My dad grew his hair out
563
00:25:03,829 --> 00:25:06,363
and his beard out because he was sick.
564
00:25:06,364 --> 00:25:09,566
And the manager was like,
you know, "Leave your beard."
565
00:25:09,567 --> 00:25:11,235
He's like,
"You really look the part now."
566
00:25:11,236 --> 00:25:13,137
And it changed everything,
and then everyone grew
567
00:25:13,138 --> 00:25:14,738
their beards out and their hair out.
568
00:25:14,739 --> 00:25:18,142
That's what started
that whole outlaw shit.
569
00:25:18,143 --> 00:25:22,246
Mike: - With his new legal mouthpiece,
the Mad Dog Reshen, in tow,
570
00:25:22,247 --> 00:25:23,847
Hoss went back to Nashville.
571
00:25:23,848 --> 00:25:27,116
Dad and Neil were
over at RCA's offices,
572
00:25:27,117 --> 00:25:29,385
renegotiating Dad's contract.
573
00:25:29,386 --> 00:25:31,888
And it came down to a point
to where there was,
574
00:25:31,889 --> 00:25:35,224
like, a $25,000 stickler in there,
575
00:25:35,225 --> 00:25:37,527
you know, that nobody's
wanting to come off of.
576
00:25:37,528 --> 00:25:40,863
They said their side,
and Dad sold his side,
577
00:25:40,864 --> 00:25:43,999
and then there's that dead
silence, and it's like, you know,
578
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,770
the first one that talks is
gonna be the one that loses.
579
00:25:47,771 --> 00:25:50,873
Well, Dad stood up and just left
the room. (door opens, closes)
580
00:25:50,874 --> 00:25:53,242
Well, they thought he was pissed,
581
00:25:53,243 --> 00:25:56,946
and, uh, so they caved in
while he was gone.
582
00:25:56,947 --> 00:25:58,280
And then when they were
leaving, Neil said,
583
00:25:58,281 --> 00:26:01,450
"That was the most genius
thing I ever saw anybody do."
584
00:26:01,451 --> 00:26:03,185
He goes, "What? I had to take a piss."
585
00:26:03,186 --> 00:26:06,254
Neil said, "We got 50,000!" (laughs)
586
00:26:06,255 --> 00:26:08,824
Mike: And the outlaw
movement was born.
587
00:26:08,825 --> 00:26:13,261
♪ Somebody told me
when I came to Nashville ♪
588
00:26:13,262 --> 00:26:16,965
♪ "Son, you finally got it made ♪
589
00:26:16,966 --> 00:26:18,933
♪ "Old Hank made it here ♪
590
00:26:18,934 --> 00:26:20,935
♪ We're all sure that you will" ♪
591
00:26:20,936 --> 00:26:24,706
♪ But I don't think
Hank done it this way ♪
592
00:26:24,707 --> 00:26:28,210
♪ Did old Hank
really do it this way? ♪
593
00:26:28,211 --> 00:26:29,310
Yeah!
594
00:26:29,311 --> 00:26:30,812
♪ ♪
595
00:26:30,813 --> 00:26:33,881
On stage, Waylon didn't
tell you what songs,
596
00:26:33,882 --> 00:26:35,483
he just started playing.
597
00:26:35,484 --> 00:26:36,985
He didn't tell you what key it was
598
00:26:36,986 --> 00:26:38,987
or what song it was, nothing.
599
00:26:38,988 --> 00:26:41,255
He kicked it, and you went from that.
600
00:26:41,256 --> 00:26:44,425
Crank: And if you were
longer than four beats in,
601
00:26:44,426 --> 00:26:46,793
he's looking around, "Where
you at?" With the look.
602
00:26:46,794 --> 00:26:48,762
♪ ♪
603
00:26:48,763 --> 00:26:52,466
♪ Ten years on the road,
makin' one-night stands ♪
604
00:26:52,467 --> 00:26:56,604
♪ Speedin' my young life away ♪
605
00:26:56,605 --> 00:27:00,341
♪ So tell me one more time,
so as I'll understand ♪
606
00:27:00,342 --> 00:27:03,576
♪ Are you sure
Hank done it this way? ♪
607
00:27:03,577 --> 00:27:05,311
Crank: Waylon used to have a saying.
608
00:27:05,312 --> 00:27:08,548
He said, "Look, I think
everybody in Nashville
609
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:12,519
"ought to have one time in their
career where they do it their own way.
610
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,055
"If it doesn't work,
don't let 'em do it anymore,
611
00:27:15,056 --> 00:27:16,890
"but at least one time
in their career,
612
00:27:16,891 --> 00:27:19,492
"let 'em record,
let 'em write the songs,
613
00:27:19,493 --> 00:27:21,060
let 'em do it their way."
614
00:27:21,061 --> 00:27:22,495
♪ Singing my songs ♪
615
00:27:22,496 --> 00:27:24,297
"Every artist deserves that."
616
00:27:24,298 --> 00:27:27,167
♪ But I don't think
Hank done it this way ♪
617
00:27:27,168 --> 00:27:31,304
♪ No, I don't think Hank done
done 'em this way ♪
618
00:27:31,305 --> 00:27:34,040
♪ ♪
619
00:27:34,041 --> 00:27:37,710
Crank: That whole thing
was about, "Look...
620
00:27:37,711 --> 00:27:40,445
are you sure Hank done it this way?"
621
00:27:40,446 --> 00:27:46,185
Because for so long, he wanted to record
his way, and they wouldn't let him.
622
00:27:46,186 --> 00:27:47,853
You know, they wouldn't let him.
623
00:27:47,854 --> 00:27:50,222
And then when he finally did,
624
00:27:50,223 --> 00:27:53,592
blew it out of the water,
and they were pissed about it.
625
00:27:53,593 --> 00:27:56,428
They were pissed he was so successful,
626
00:27:56,429 --> 00:27:57,996
that Willie was so successful,
627
00:27:57,997 --> 00:28:00,098
because what they did
is took country music
628
00:28:00,099 --> 00:28:04,035
from the thousand-seat ballroom
to Shea Stadium.
629
00:28:04,036 --> 00:28:06,305
And it had never been done before.
630
00:28:06,306 --> 00:28:09,107
Kinky: Waylon was
everybody's country singer.
631
00:28:09,108 --> 00:28:11,710
I mean, he was just a stud.
632
00:28:11,711 --> 00:28:16,081
He's inspired so many more people
than I think he ever realized.
633
00:28:16,082 --> 00:28:18,883
♪ ♪
634
00:28:18,884 --> 00:28:21,051
Thank you very much for coming out.
635
00:28:23,884 --> 00:28:30,518
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