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I gave every part of my youth
to do a job
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and to go through a savage war.
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It was a different war from
year to year, and one's reactions
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were completely different.
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The intensity changed so much
that anybody who'd been out in 1914
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and went home and came back in 1917,
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wouldn't recognise it
as the same war.
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I can only say one thing,
I wouldn't have missed it.
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It was terrible at times,
but I wouldn't have missed it.
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Oh, yes, if I could have
my time again, I'd go through it
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all over again because
I enjoyed the service life.
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I could only say that I have never
been so excited in my life,
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this was like a boy going
to the play the first time.
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I never realised there was
anything unusual about it.
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There was a job to be done
and you just go on and did it.
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We were all instilled with the idea
that this was war
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and that we've got to kill the
Germans, and this is how we looked
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at the thing.
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I don't regret
having experienced it.
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I wish I hadn't, but I don't
regret it because I'm safe.
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HE LAUGHS
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There were good times
and bad times in France.
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But you took the rough
with the smooth.
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I was twice wounded and gassed,
but it was just war and you made
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the best of it.
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Just took it in its stride,
like everybody else.
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We were glad to be in it
and we expected it to be rough,
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and it WAS rough,
but we didn't complain.
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There was no real excitement
about it.
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You'd seen death so many times,
you'd seen wounded so many times,
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blood didn't excite you.
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We were professionals
and to us it was just a job of work.
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It would be a fallacy to say
that one enjoyed it,
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but one got afterwards
a nice, warm inner feeling that
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one had been some use.
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It didn't affect me very much
because I wasn't
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sufficiently open in the ways
of the world, I was only a kid,
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like other blokes there.
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It was more like
a great big game to be enjoyed,
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apart from the actual killing
and all that sort of thing.
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It made me a man.
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Yes, it did.
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I don't think I should
have ever been the man I am if it
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hadn't been for having to serve.
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You'd learn to look after yourself.
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Whereas in your civilian life,
your mother did all the chores.
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You've got to learn
how to cook for yourself,
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darn your own socks,
sew on your own buttons
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and all the things like that.
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It was just a day's work.
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I knew that I was not alone,
I knew I wasn't fighting the war
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by myself and that what happened
to other people might happen to me.
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I had no regrets at all.
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But, you see, I had no wife,
no girl, no nothing.
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No regrets, no horrors...
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..because if you survive that,
you can survive anything.
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We was aware that there was
sort of a nasty feeling
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between England and Germany.
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We knew of the Kaiser's ambition
to expand his empire
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and all that sort of thing.
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During that summer, there was a lot
of talk about trouble
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going on in the Balkans,
but we were a long way
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from the Balkans
and it didn't worry us at all.
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It was that Serbia business,
wasn't it?
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Serbia, when that chap was shot.
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I was paying attention
to politics and I realised
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that there was going to be trouble
between England and Germany.
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It was a lovely
August the 4th morning.
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We were all seated around the table
and we were starting
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the Rugby football dinner
with the German team.
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There was a German here,
next to him was an Englishman,
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and next to him was a German,
and so on and so on.
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And a runner arrived into the middle
of this dinner
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with extraordinary news
of outbreak of war.
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There was a big placard -
"War declared on Germany."
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We didn't know what we ought to do.
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Whether we got to seize
a knife off the table
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and plunge it into the German
or what!
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But, after a little bit
of discussion, we decided
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that as far as we were concerned,
the war was going to start tomorrow,
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and the party proceeded.
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I'm proud of being a British hero.
I mean, I think we're as good
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a country as any in the world
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and you've got to be prepared
to fight for that.
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There's no doubt about it -
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in the First World War,
we prepared for war.
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The empire was strong,
we weren't afraid of anyone.
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Everybody bought little buttons
and white flags and sang songs,
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there was no feeling of despair
about it at all.
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England couldn't possibly lose,
no matter how many Germans pushed
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how many Englishmen into the
Channel, that they'd get no further.
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We couldn't possibly lose.
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We were brought up to think that one
Englishman was worth ten Germans.
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I thought that any enemy
of England was an enemy of mine
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and I wanted to be in it.
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Oh, 6 months or 12 months,
it would be all over
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and Bob's your uncle.
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I went with a friend of mine
to Shepherd's Bush Empire
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to see the picture show there
and they showed the fleet
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saving the high seas and played
"Britons never shall be slaves",
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and one feels that little shiver run
up their back and you know
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you've got to do something.
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A friend of mine said to me,
"We're going to join up."
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It was from the
patriotic point of view,
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and from the general excitement of
the whole affair, I suppose.
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I didn't believe in war
to that extent, but I was prepared
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to do my part.
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You see, in those days, men weren't
to think for themselves,
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they just had to do what they were
told and that's all there was to it.
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Oh, my mother
was very aggrieved about it.
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But, you know, a young man,
you decide you're going to go.
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At lunchtime, I left the office,
went along to Armoury House
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and there was a queue of about
1,000 people trying to enlist.
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Everybody thought
it would be a civilised war
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and wanted to be fit enough to go.
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Two of us decided to join up
together, and when we told
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the boss we were going to start
training on Monday,
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he was very annoyed.
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He didn't make any promise
at all that our jobs would be there
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when we got back.
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My mother, she said,
"You wait until you're 19."
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See, that was the age
in those days, 19 to 35.
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Well, it was supposed to be.
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We were all lads together, you know,
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full of excitement
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and all this kind of thing.
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I mean, I just wanted
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to have a go at Jerry.
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I just thought that I'd like
to go and fight for the country.
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This was the thing, you were proud
of your country
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and you'd do the best you could
for it.
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And this was what most of the
young people thought of doing
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in those days.
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My mother, she said to me,
"Look, we could stop you doing this
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"because of your age."
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I said, "Yes, I know you could,
Mother, but I'm sure you won't."
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Which they never did.
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I just felt that all the young
fellows of that age
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were volunteering
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and I thought it was
my job to do the same.
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I was desperately keen
and a whole heap of us were.
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I said, "Direct enlistment, please."
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They were highly delighted
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and pushed me in
as quick as lightning.
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Lots of the lads were
joining the local regiments,
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like the Bucks and the Middlesex.
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Lads that I knew
and had been to school with,
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played football and cricket with,
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we joined up, hoping for the best.
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We were good friends, comrades
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and it was a relief from rather
boring jobs at home, you see.
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I was walking down
the Camden Town high street,
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when two young ladies approached me,
"Why aren't you in the Army?"
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I said, "I'm only 17."
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"Oh, they all say that here."
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And to my amazement,
she put her hand in her bag
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and I put my hand up to sort of
safeguard myself,
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and this white feather
finished up my nose.
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As we marched to the station,
some of the chaps had bowler hats,
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some had straw hats, some had the
regulation peaked Army cap.
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Some would have tunics,
some would be dressed
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with their ordinary jackets
with a pair of Army trousers.
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Some had Army boots, some didn't.
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And we really were a motley throng.
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Some of them were obviously chaps
who had hoped to live
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in some comfort and brought
suitcases with clothes with them,
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which they never saw again.
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We had to all get our hair cut.
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"How would you like it, sir?"
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And you'd say,
"Short back and sides."
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But the answer was,
straight over the top
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with horse clippers, and we looked
more like convicts than soldiers.
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As soon as war broke out,
there was a call made
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for all ex-soldiers to rejoin,
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and they made them sergeants
straight away.
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So you got a lot of instructors
that way.
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The people who really carried us
through was the old sweats
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who'd had previous war experience
and gave us a lot of wise advice
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as to what to look for
and what to dodge.
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We were ordered down onto the parade
ground and then we were allotted
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to different platoons.
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When they came to us,
they were weedy, sallow,
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skinny, frightened children.
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The refuse of our industrial system
and they were in very poor condition
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and had to be made into soldiers.
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Many of us had given
our wrong ages to join the Army.
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The agent walked down
the lines and gave an order,
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"Every man under the age of 19
should take two paces forward."
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Nobody moved.
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I was a lad of 17 and
they'd probably say I wasn't 19,
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which you had to be to join up.
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But he says, "How long
do you want to sign on for?"
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Everyone else was joining up so
I called into the recruitment office
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and he said to me, "How old
are you?" I said, "17, sir."
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Well, he said, "Go outside and
come back and say you are 18."
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So of course, I went outside
and said we were 18.
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I was straight up there.
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The Sergeant said,
"How old are you?"
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I said, "I'm 18 and one month."
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He said,
"Do you mean 19 and one month?
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So I thought for a moment,
I said, "Yes, sir."
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He said, "Right, sign here, please."
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He asked me how old I was
and I said I was 16 in March.
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He said, "You're too young,
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"you better go outside
and have a birthday."
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I was 16 years old in 1917
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and I was six foot two tall
and my father allowed me to go.
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So I entered my age as 19 years old,
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three years older
than what I really was.
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I was 15 years,
just 2½ years short of 18,
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and I got before this
medical officer, who said,
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"All right, you pass."
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I had just turned 17 at the time
and I went up to Whitehall
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and enlisted in the 16th Lancers.
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I was 15 and I thought
I'd have a better chance
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than when I were 14.
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So I walked into the barracks
and just said, "I'm 18,"
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and that was it.
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My parents wrote to the
commanding officer and asked for me,
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as I was underage, to be released.
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And he said, "Your parents
want you back - do you want to go?"
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I said no.
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The chaplain asked me my age,
and I said I was 16.
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He said, "Much too young.
Would you like me to pray for you?"
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The clothing came piecemeal
into the quartermaster stores.
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One lad said,
"These boots don't fit me."
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And the quartermaster said,
"There isn't such a thing as boots
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"that don't fit in the Army,
it's your feet that don't
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"fit the boots."
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Some men would find a tunic
to fit them or perhaps
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a pair of trousers.
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And so it went on
for nearly a fortnight.
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Just one uniform.
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I was in the Army nearly four years,
I only had one uniform.
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We were all issued
with these famous puttees,
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which were news to all of us,
and I personally could never quite
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master the putting on of puttees.
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The main reason for puttees were
to support the legs in marching.
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I was issued with a kilt
but nothing to wear underneath it,
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and I was given a slip of paper
to say,
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"This man has not
been issued with underpants."
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I was given strict instructions
that I couldn't ride on top
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of the tram car,
had to ride downstairs.
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Now, the pack was for
everything that you own.
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The overcoat had to be folded
very, very neatly and tightly.
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There was a needle, thread,
spare buttons, knife,
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fork, spoon, razor, shaving brush,
toothbrush and also a half-pint mug.
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One spare shirt and one spare pair
of socks, and that was your kit.
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The Army razor with which we were
issued was absolutely useless,
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but it came in handy
for cutting up meat and so forth.
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The toothbrush, that came in handy
for cleaning buttons.
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But one of the peculiarities
about the Army was that,
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though it was a crime
to have dirty buttons,
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you were never issued
with the materials to clean
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the buttons,
you had to buy them yourself.
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We were awakened by the bugle,
which sounded Reveille.
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Wash, shave, pack your bed up
and pack your kit.
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About half past six, and you would
have an hour, PT before breakfast.
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Press-ups and physical exercises,
arms upward stretch.
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They knew you were fresh
and they tried to take it by stages,
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there wasn't any bullying
or anything like that.
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Breakfast consisted
of bread, butter,
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one rasher of
Lance Corporal Bacon.
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It was streaky bacon,
it had one stripe in it.
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Well, there was jam and
they seemed to make nothing
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but plum and apple, you know?
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If you got any other kind,
it was a celebration event.
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There were the Bruce Bairnsfather
cartoons depicting that,
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handing him a tin of plum
and apple jam.
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"When the 'ell is it
going to be strawberry?"
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It was wonderful, that jam.
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Tickler's, the jam manufacturers,
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they must have made millions of tins
of P&A, plum and apple.
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# Oh, oh, oh, it's a lovely war
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# What do we want with eggs and ham
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# When we've got bags
of Tickler's Jam? #
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And then it would be parade time
and the Sergeant would take over
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and you'd have a whole morning
of marching
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and you would learn all commands,
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such as "about turn"
and all that sort of thing.
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Having been in the Boy Scouts,
it was dead easy to me.
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When you get the order
"right dress",
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you turn your head only,
to the right.
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Some of them managed to turn left,
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which didn't exactly please
the drill Sergeant.
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We were all youngsters,
we'd come from
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fairly sheltered lives and so forth.
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This Sergeant of ours
was the loudmouth shouting type.
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Coming up against
military discipline was a shock,
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being chased around from pillar
to post by disciplinarian NCOs.
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Some of the sergeants were shockers.
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They would cause a lot of trouble
if you were out of step
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or if you didn't keep time,
or if you didn't handle
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your rifle properly.
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They were always having a go at you.
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Most of them were all right,
the shouting meant nothing,
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but some of them never lost it.
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One night I'd gone to bed and
this pot was brought round to my bed
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and they said,
"Oh, you want to do a piss?"
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So I did the business in the pot.
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They'd rested this big, huge pot
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which contained gallons,
on the door.
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And when this Sergeant came along
to see that everybody
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was in bed, this thing turned up
and he was drenched
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from top to bottom in fluid!
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HE LAUGHS
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First of all,
I was full of enthusiasm.
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But after about the first week,
I wished I hadn't done it.
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Because the discipline was so strict
that I was beginning to get
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a little bit nervous
as to what was in store.
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We weren't out dancing,
anything like that.
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We were getting ready for a war.
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The thing was, you were in the Army,
you had to do as you were told.
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You had one master, or dozens,
but you just had to get on with it
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and that was it.
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I did find that right
through the Army,
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if you behaved yourself,
you'd nothing much to fear.
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This was quite a new world to us.
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I mean, you can imagine.
I came out of civilian life,
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like all the others did,
and we weren't in a position
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to argue or object.
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It was just a matter of doing
what we were told.
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I liked it.
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I liked to be told what I had to do
because there was a reason
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for doing it, and later on I
realised that was the best training
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you could have.
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The first week, our route march
would be ten miles,
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the second week it would be 12,
and so on and so on.
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It intensified, because
it's of the utmost importance
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that the infantry soldiers
could march with a full kit.
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What you had to carry was 109 lbs.
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The marching was easy for me,
but quite a lot of chaps
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who were in sedentary jobs
found it pretty hard.
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It numbed and cramped my muscles
on my thighs and calves
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until they hurt very much indeed.
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Oh, those Army boots.
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I could have cried.
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My feet and ankles with those heavy
Army boots after civilian shoes.
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So to get your boots made pliable,
you used to urinate in them
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and leave it overnight.
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Quite a lot of men were clerks
or they worked in shops,
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and the very nature of their calling
didn't make for fitness.
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Well, they sent me to hospital
and they gave me the cure
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for hookworm and I found that
I could stand the drill after that.
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They used to march us
all round the West End.
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Crowds used to foregather, and
some of the poor, deluded ones
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fell for the con trick and
lined up behind us
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and we used to march
them all down to Chelsea barracks,
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where they got signed up.
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Lunch would consist
of inevitable stew.
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Now, you must remember the chaps
in the cookhouse were by no means
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experienced cooks,
but anybody can make a stew,
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and that's what they did.
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Sometimes we got a bit of plum duff
and milk puddings and tapioca rice.
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It was the good old-fashioned,
plain stuff
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that I was brought up on.
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I had no complaint about it.
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In the afternoon, it could be
a lecture on Vickers machine guns.
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We used to strip the machinegun
right down
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and put it together again.
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And, luckily, I seemed to cotton on
to that quite quickly.
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We were always told
the man's best friend is his rifle,
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and it was.
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Our rifle was a short Lee-Enfield,
a very good rifle indeed.
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A real sturdy rifle.
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You had your ammunition pouches
on both sides of the chest,
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to counterbalance the weight
of the pack,
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and those pouches carried 150 rounds
of .303 ammunition.
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We were supposed to hold
the rifle up in one hand,
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but I could never hold
a rifle properly.
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My right wrist wouldn't hold it up.
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I'd never fired a rifle in my life,
but on the first day we went
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onto the rifle range,
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and it was amazing
the bull's-eyes I was getting.
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So, the next thing, I was made
a first-class rifleman.
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Above all, we learned rapid-fire.
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Ten rounds, get those ten rounds
onto the target in one minute.
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It was known as "the mad minute".
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I'd never seen a dead man
or anything of that kind,
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and I wondered, if it came
to my shooting a man,
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whether I would be able to do this.
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Plunge the bayonet into the sack,
shout like hell.
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And they would tell you
where to put your bayonet.
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Either into his left shoulder,
his right shoulder,
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in the chest or in the body.
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We was told to make
as much noise as we could.
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I think that was
to frighten the enemy.
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It didn't seem to me to be a likely
thing to do, but we used to shout.
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When you train as a division,
there's 12 battalions,
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there's roughly 12,000 men
who are on the move,
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and you're a very small cog
in a big wheel.
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Saturday mornings we were let off,
but we had to do
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sometimes barrack duties.
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And then, on Sundays, we were all
marched down to church.
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It didn't matter what religion
you were, you all had to go,
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and that was it.
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Hardly a day passed
without the shout
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around the barrack-room,
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"Has anybody here had
any experience with horses?
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00:20:57,709 --> 00:21:00,295
"Can anybody here play
any musical instruments?
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"Anybody had an experience
at so and so?"
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So gradually, the thousand men
who were joined up
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as a motley throng, now became
a transport man, a bandsman,
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signalman and so on.
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You didn't want to mess
about on the parade ground
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with heavy packs
on the route marches.
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Most of us wanted to go across
and do some scrapping.
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After good food,
fresh air and physical exercise,
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they changed so that their mothers
wouldn't have recognised them.
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They put on an average of one stone
in weight and one inch in height.
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Although we hated the sight and
sound of our disciplinary sergeants,
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this reflects greatly to their
credit because they knocked us
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into shape as regards
to marching and foot drills.
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But far more than that,
they were handsome,
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ruddy, upstanding,
square-shouldered young men
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who were afraid of nobody,
not even the Sergeant Major.
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After the six weeks,
we were informed we were going
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to be posted overseas.
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They said, "You're leaving tomorrow
morning for an unknown destination."
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You were never told
where you were heading for.
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I just wanted to fight the Germans,
and as far as that was concerned,
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it didn't matter tuppence to me
where we went.
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And when we pushed them
through this crash programme
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of military training,
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they were pushed off to
France in batches.
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Before we left, the officer said,
"well, you haven't had time
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"to be made sergeants, so we'll give
you a couple of stripes."
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So they made us corporals,
and in less than no time
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we were marched down to the station.
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In my mind I wondered,
"Shall I ever come back?"
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I didn't think I would at the time.
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I didn't worry about it.
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Oh, they were all full of euphoria,
they were all glad they were going.
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Nobody was crying.
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I wrote a postcard
when I was in the train
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and chucked it out of the window,
hoping that it would be delivered
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to my family.
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00:22:49,366 --> 00:22:52,203
We arrived at Folkestone
in the evening.
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We embarked on one of
the old Thames pleasure boats.
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Well, pretty crowded, but of course
there's only 21 mile
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from Dover to Calais on the boat.
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There were talks by officers to us
as to how to behave ourselves
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on foreign soil, and that we've
got to respect other people's
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modes of conduct.
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The biggest number of casualties
were NCOs,
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and we weren't all too keen
about this.
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So I went into the lavatory
and my stripes came off
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and they disappeared
through the porthole.
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00:23:23,527 --> 00:23:26,613
And with that, I went back on deck
as a private.
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As our horses were brought
down the gangways,
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I noticed the expression
on the men's faces.
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There were no cheerful,
smiling faces coming down
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that gangway at all.
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It was beautiful weather,
very warm,
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00:23:44,591 --> 00:23:48,344
and every village and town
we went through, people rushed out,
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bottles of wine,
yards of French bread, flowers.
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The land flowed
in every single aspect.
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00:23:54,225 --> 00:23:56,394
There were farmers
going about their business,
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the most lovely country.
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00:24:00,482 --> 00:24:03,235
If we passed a field of carrots,
we used to raid the field
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00:24:03,235 --> 00:24:06,696
and walk along munching
the carrots and turnips.
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00:24:10,868 --> 00:24:13,037
I was dead scared
that the war would be over
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before I got out to it.
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When I got out to France,
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I was terribly pleased,
really keen.
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You just marched and marched
until roughly 20 miles
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00:24:24,340 --> 00:24:26,050
from the trenches.
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We knew we were getting close
to the line because the gunfire
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was becoming more noisy.
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I remember the first shell,
I was delighted.
472
00:24:36,353 --> 00:24:40,106
We went through towns, villages
that were absolutely derelict.
473
00:24:40,106 --> 00:24:43,610
So we never knew where we were,
except that we were in Belgium.
474
00:24:46,279 --> 00:24:49,575
The devastation was something
I never could have imagined.
475
00:24:49,575 --> 00:24:52,535
The whole place gave one
the most eerie sensation.
476
00:24:56,331 --> 00:25:00,044
There was stunted trees,
torn to shreds with shellfire
477
00:25:00,044 --> 00:25:03,965
and there was shell holes
all over the place.
478
00:25:03,965 --> 00:25:06,884
We were relieving men of the
28th division,
479
00:25:06,884 --> 00:25:10,304
and as they passed us, we would say,
"What's it like up there?"
480
00:25:10,304 --> 00:25:13,683
The reply invariably came back,
"Bloody awful, mate."
481
00:25:13,683 --> 00:25:17,228
The old sweats coming back
got their tails up all right,
482
00:25:17,228 --> 00:25:21,023
but I didn't know what to expect,
just hadn't a clue.
483
00:25:21,023 --> 00:25:24,486
It was deadly warfare,
you were facing the Germans.
484
00:25:28,740 --> 00:25:30,199
Follow me.
485
00:25:32,869 --> 00:25:34,496
You got the order, "load".
486
00:25:34,496 --> 00:25:38,458
You put nine in your magazine
and one up the spout
487
00:25:38,458 --> 00:25:40,210
and you put the safety catch on,
488
00:25:40,210 --> 00:25:42,963
and you always went into the line
prepared to use
489
00:25:42,963 --> 00:25:44,590
your rifle immediately.
490
00:25:46,425 --> 00:25:49,178
That's when you got rigid orders,
no talking whatsoever,
491
00:25:49,178 --> 00:25:50,805
keep your head down.
492
00:25:50,805 --> 00:25:52,849
Single file, no smoking.
493
00:25:52,849 --> 00:25:56,144
The captain would then direct you
right to the front trenches.
494
00:25:59,647 --> 00:26:02,192
Before a man goes into the trenches,
he usually carries
495
00:26:02,192 --> 00:26:06,946
a roll of barbed wire or a bag of
bombs, besides his own equipment.
496
00:26:06,946 --> 00:26:09,657
That's the way to get the stuff
up to the front line.
497
00:26:09,657 --> 00:26:12,452
Now,
a guide would always be sent out.
498
00:26:12,452 --> 00:26:15,164
Extend this part of
the trench over there.
499
00:26:15,164 --> 00:26:16,665
What, that way? That's it.
500
00:26:16,665 --> 00:26:18,417
The trenches in France were a maze.
501
00:26:18,417 --> 00:26:21,127
If you didn't have a guide,
you could very soon get lost.
502
00:26:21,127 --> 00:26:23,839
Smile, so your mother thinks
I'm looking after you.
503
00:26:26,425 --> 00:26:28,218
Coming up, coming up!
504
00:26:32,682 --> 00:26:34,725
The trenches weren't
in one straight line.
505
00:26:34,725 --> 00:26:38,229
They were built on what they call
a Travis System.
506
00:26:38,229 --> 00:26:41,148
The Travis would break up
the shellfire
507
00:26:41,148 --> 00:26:44,485
and stop it spreading right along
the trench.
508
00:26:44,485 --> 00:26:46,237
There was a front line of trenches
509
00:26:46,237 --> 00:26:48,614
and then there was a second line
of trenches.
510
00:26:48,614 --> 00:26:52,953
The support line would be about 50
yards or more behind the front line.
511
00:26:52,953 --> 00:26:55,621
In between, there would be
communication trenches
512
00:26:55,621 --> 00:26:58,041
so that they could move through
if the front line
513
00:26:58,041 --> 00:26:59,792
was under jeopardy.
514
00:26:59,792 --> 00:27:03,172
First impression I got
of the trenches was they were
515
00:27:03,172 --> 00:27:05,215
very much lived in.
516
00:27:05,215 --> 00:27:07,217
We had to take them
as we found them.
517
00:27:07,217 --> 00:27:10,887
You would see an overcoat
hanging from a wooden peg.
518
00:27:10,887 --> 00:27:14,600
You would see a mess tin
with some tea in it.
519
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,728
A dugout, which had a piece
of blanket in it,
520
00:27:17,728 --> 00:27:19,897
a bed made of sandbags.
521
00:27:19,897 --> 00:27:22,983
Our world was divided
by no-man's-land,
522
00:27:22,983 --> 00:27:24,777
a sort of Iron Curtain,
523
00:27:24,777 --> 00:27:28,698
beyond which were bogey men who
would kill you if they ever saw you.
524
00:27:28,698 --> 00:27:31,868
As you look through your periscope,
all you could see were hundreds
525
00:27:31,868 --> 00:27:36,831
of shell holes, your barbed wire
and the German barbed wire.
526
00:27:36,831 --> 00:27:39,751
You could see dead bodies
hanging on the barbed wire
527
00:27:39,751 --> 00:27:42,796
and they may have been there
for a long, long time.
528
00:27:42,796 --> 00:27:45,841
It was one of the most desolate
looking places in the world.
529
00:27:45,841 --> 00:27:50,262
You never saw a sign of life,
and yet you knew very well that,
530
00:27:50,262 --> 00:27:54,724
within shouting range, there were
hundreds and hundreds of men.
531
00:27:54,724 --> 00:27:57,436
A platoon of about 50 men
would have about 100 yards
532
00:27:57,436 --> 00:28:00,939
of front line trenches
as their responsibility.
533
00:28:00,939 --> 00:28:03,192
There were signs
all over the trenches,
534
00:28:03,192 --> 00:28:06,779
Piccadilly Circus and Regent Street
and all that sort of thing,
535
00:28:06,779 --> 00:28:08,531
telling you where water points were
536
00:28:08,531 --> 00:28:11,075
and which was the
most dangerous part of the land
537
00:28:11,075 --> 00:28:13,243
with regard to snipers.
538
00:28:13,243 --> 00:28:15,913
You had to be extremely careful
because a bullet could go
539
00:28:15,913 --> 00:28:18,708
through one layer of
sandbags quite easily.
540
00:28:18,708 --> 00:28:21,294
I was talking to a bloke one day
and, pop,
541
00:28:21,294 --> 00:28:23,547
his head was bashed in like an egg.
542
00:28:23,547 --> 00:28:26,841
He just happened to be in a place
where a sniper could get an aim.
543
00:28:28,259 --> 00:28:31,012
We used to do
a four-day stint in a line.
544
00:28:31,012 --> 00:28:35,517
We took with us sufficient food
to last the four days.
545
00:28:36,977 --> 00:28:38,854
Go on, lads, give our love to Jerry.
546
00:28:38,854 --> 00:28:40,314
Mind yourselves out there.
547
00:28:40,314 --> 00:28:44,443
Your day would start before dawn
when NCOs would go round
548
00:28:44,443 --> 00:28:47,488
this 100 yards and
make sure everybody was alive.
549
00:28:47,488 --> 00:28:51,117
Of a day in the trenches,
you had two hours on, four off.
550
00:28:51,117 --> 00:28:53,286
A third of the people
were on sentry duty,
551
00:28:53,286 --> 00:28:56,122
a third working
and a third sleeping.
552
00:28:56,122 --> 00:28:57,915
We just slept where we were.
553
00:28:57,915 --> 00:29:00,543
No beds, just flopped down
on the ground.
554
00:29:00,543 --> 00:29:03,128
Been to the pictures, mate!
555
00:29:03,128 --> 00:29:06,299
The trench was very wet
and, wherever possible, we would try
556
00:29:06,299 --> 00:29:07,884
and get above the water.
557
00:29:07,884 --> 00:29:10,554
We were able to dig out
the side of the trench
558
00:29:10,554 --> 00:29:13,097
and that was when we used
to steal our sleep
559
00:29:13,097 --> 00:29:15,600
on the two-on and four-off stretch.
560
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,520
And then you'd have
your couple of hours on the parapet
561
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,313
and then rest again.
562
00:29:20,313 --> 00:29:23,483
If nothing untoward happened,
there would be perhaps
563
00:29:23,483 --> 00:29:27,154
two or three sentry groups
in the whole company's front.
564
00:29:27,154 --> 00:29:29,323
EXPLOSIONS BOOM IN DISTANCE
565
00:29:38,832 --> 00:29:40,584
It was a job to keep awake.
566
00:29:40,584 --> 00:29:43,546
Woe betide you
if you were caught asleep.
567
00:29:43,546 --> 00:29:46,674
If you are so tired,
you can sleep standing up,
568
00:29:46,674 --> 00:29:48,468
which I've done many times.
569
00:29:49,885 --> 00:29:55,099
The first thing you did when you got
into the line was to have a brew-up.
570
00:29:55,099 --> 00:29:57,477
There was one thing
about the Vickers gun,
571
00:29:57,477 --> 00:29:59,271
it being a water-cooled weapon,
572
00:29:59,271 --> 00:30:01,731
if you were continuously firing,
you'd find that the water
573
00:30:01,731 --> 00:30:04,609
would be boiling.
You could disconnect the tube
574
00:30:04,609 --> 00:30:06,111
and make a cup of tea.
575
00:30:06,111 --> 00:30:09,030
The water came up
in two-gallon petrol cans.
576
00:30:09,030 --> 00:30:11,492
And we could taste the petrol in it
because they couldn't
577
00:30:11,492 --> 00:30:13,368
wash it completely out.
578
00:30:16,329 --> 00:30:18,582
In every bay was a little fireplace.
579
00:30:18,582 --> 00:30:23,045
You used tiny slivers of wood
because if you made smoke
580
00:30:23,045 --> 00:30:25,131
in the front line,
over would come a shell.
581
00:30:25,131 --> 00:30:26,382
I fancy a brew.
582
00:30:26,382 --> 00:30:28,843
But save a drop of that tea
to shave with.
583
00:30:28,843 --> 00:30:31,304
Because we had to shave
in the front line.
584
00:30:31,304 --> 00:30:34,098
We used to put a lot of tins
out on the parapet
585
00:30:34,098 --> 00:30:37,518
if it rained. You daren't touch
any of the other water.
586
00:30:37,518 --> 00:30:40,355
We were scooping water
out of shell holes,
587
00:30:40,355 --> 00:30:42,440
there might have been
dead bodies underneath.
588
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,526
We thought as long as
we boiled it for a long time,
589
00:30:44,526 --> 00:30:46,653
all the green stuff
would come off the top.
590
00:30:46,653 --> 00:30:49,364
Nice and gentle.
Anyway, we'd made tea with it.
591
00:30:49,364 --> 00:30:51,741
That's how I got
my dose of dysentery.
592
00:30:51,741 --> 00:30:54,328
Of course,
there was no sanitary arrangements.
593
00:30:54,328 --> 00:30:56,580
They'd dig a trench
and stick a pole across,
594
00:30:56,580 --> 00:31:00,333
and you'd get about seven
or eight chaps on the pole.
595
00:31:00,333 --> 00:31:02,545
God, to have a clear-out
was terrible.
596
00:31:02,545 --> 00:31:04,171
FLIES BUZZ
597
00:31:04,171 --> 00:31:06,632
People used to go
to the toilet with no privacy.
598
00:31:06,632 --> 00:31:10,052
Being rather a shy nature,
if I had pissed with somebody,
599
00:31:10,052 --> 00:31:11,511
I felt a bit nervous.
600
00:31:11,511 --> 00:31:14,473
But when you were in the Army,
you got quite used to it.
601
00:31:14,473 --> 00:31:17,143
Of course, it didn't matter a damn
because there was no women
602
00:31:17,143 --> 00:31:18,561
or anything like that.
603
00:31:18,561 --> 00:31:21,189
The flies used to crawl
over your bottom.
604
00:31:21,189 --> 00:31:22,523
Most unpleasant.
605
00:31:22,523 --> 00:31:24,400
And no such thing as toilet rolls.
606
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,569
You had to wipe your
behind with your hand.
607
00:31:26,569 --> 00:31:29,072
Your hands might have been
in all sorts of things,
608
00:31:29,072 --> 00:31:30,740
but you never washed.
609
00:31:30,740 --> 00:31:32,409
Well, you heard a terrific shout...
610
00:31:32,409 --> 00:31:34,077
MEN SHOUT AND YELL, LOUD THUD
611
00:31:34,077 --> 00:31:36,996
..and the pole had snapped
and the poor men
612
00:31:36,996 --> 00:31:39,416
who were sitting on the bar
fell down in the muck!
613
00:31:39,416 --> 00:31:41,251
MEN LAUGH
614
00:31:41,251 --> 00:31:44,255
There was always the humorous side
of the war.
615
00:31:44,255 --> 00:31:47,383
We had to put rifles down for them
to hang onto,
616
00:31:47,383 --> 00:31:52,262
and they came out like slimy rabbits
and nobody wanted to go near them.
617
00:31:54,723 --> 00:31:57,685
We had no spare clothes at all
and you were living for weeks
618
00:31:57,685 --> 00:32:00,646
without washing or getting a bath.
619
00:32:00,646 --> 00:32:04,692
I personally became really badly
infested and chatty,
620
00:32:04,692 --> 00:32:07,361
as we used to call it,
with these lice.
621
00:32:07,361 --> 00:32:09,823
Oh, lice was a dreadful problem.
622
00:32:09,823 --> 00:32:13,368
They were funny little things,
like little monster sort of things,
623
00:32:13,368 --> 00:32:16,454
with six legs, and they used
to feed ten times a day.
624
00:32:16,454 --> 00:32:18,123
You had to kill the bloody things.
625
00:32:18,123 --> 00:32:20,500
My favourite way was burning them.
626
00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:23,461
You would run the seams
over the lighted candle
627
00:32:23,461 --> 00:32:26,090
and you could hear the eggs going
pop, pop, pop, pop.
628
00:32:26,090 --> 00:32:27,799
POPPING
629
00:32:27,799 --> 00:32:30,427
The sooner you got the shirt back
again, the heat of the body
630
00:32:30,427 --> 00:32:32,346
hatched the eggs that you'd missed.
631
00:32:33,764 --> 00:32:36,392
And we was just as lousy
the next day.
632
00:32:39,144 --> 00:32:42,481
Each man prepared his own breakfast.
633
00:32:42,481 --> 00:32:46,318
Bread and jam was about
16 men to a loaf of bread.
634
00:32:48,028 --> 00:32:50,364
There'd be a little bit of bacon
which would suffice
635
00:32:50,364 --> 00:32:52,492
for half a dozen men.
636
00:32:52,492 --> 00:32:55,828
You'd put your rasher of bacon
in your mess tin lid,
637
00:32:55,828 --> 00:33:00,374
put a few more sticks on your fire
and you would fry your bacon.
638
00:33:00,374 --> 00:33:03,378
And then soak up the fat
with a piece of biscuit
639
00:33:03,378 --> 00:33:05,505
and then there you are
with the breakfast.
640
00:33:05,505 --> 00:33:08,216
Dinner time was mostly
bully beef cut up and stewed,
641
00:33:08,216 --> 00:33:11,261
along with all sorts
of vegetables from tins.
642
00:33:11,261 --> 00:33:14,556
Magonoghie's tinned stew was
mixed up with the bully beef.
643
00:33:14,556 --> 00:33:18,018
I've gone into French dugouts
and eaten biscuits
644
00:33:18,018 --> 00:33:20,687
which had been left by the troops
two years previously,
645
00:33:20,687 --> 00:33:25,025
and tasted the green mould in them,
but it didn't do me any harm.
646
00:33:25,025 --> 00:33:28,446
This was how it was. Anything's
good, you know, when you're hungry.
647
00:33:28,446 --> 00:33:30,864
And you were always hungry.
HE LAUGHS
648
00:33:32,157 --> 00:33:34,952
But any given moment,
we could expect to be shelled.
649
00:33:34,952 --> 00:33:37,079
SHELL WHIZZES AND BANGS
650
00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:39,457
You had very little protection
against that.
651
00:33:39,457 --> 00:33:43,294
One would hear a mild pop
as the gun fired five miles away.
652
00:33:45,547 --> 00:33:48,299
And in the five or six seconds
it took to come,
653
00:33:48,299 --> 00:33:51,595
you can pass through quite a number
of psychological changes.
654
00:33:57,559 --> 00:34:00,187
I can't remember anything more
nerve-racking
655
00:34:00,187 --> 00:34:04,149
than the continuous shelling,
without stop, went on day and night.
656
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:07,569
But we were always told that you
never heard the shell that hit you
657
00:34:07,569 --> 00:34:10,531
because most of them
travelled faster than sound.
658
00:34:10,531 --> 00:34:14,785
But you could literally feel your
heart pounding against the ground.
659
00:34:14,785 --> 00:34:17,371
The emotional strain
was absolutely terrific.
660
00:34:17,371 --> 00:34:19,665
Although a shell might burst
50 yards away,
661
00:34:19,665 --> 00:34:22,460
you might find a fragment
of jagged iron,
662
00:34:22,460 --> 00:34:24,587
really red hot
and weighing half a pound,
663
00:34:24,587 --> 00:34:26,839
arriving in your trench.
664
00:34:26,839 --> 00:34:29,342
You see people blown to little bits.
665
00:34:29,342 --> 00:34:31,719
I've actually had to put a man
in a sandbag.
666
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,930
Every now and again,
there would be a great roar
667
00:34:33,930 --> 00:34:36,015
like an aeroplane
coming in to land...
668
00:34:36,015 --> 00:34:37,266
LOUD BANG
669
00:34:37,266 --> 00:34:39,770
..and in a fifth of a second,
your resolution would break
670
00:34:39,770 --> 00:34:41,647
and you'd throw yourself down
into the mud
671
00:34:41,647 --> 00:34:43,940
and the other ones
would laugh at you.
672
00:34:43,940 --> 00:34:46,860
The shrapnel shell would burst
in the air and spray bullets
673
00:34:46,860 --> 00:34:48,445
on the troops below.
674
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:51,699
As if they were from a shotgun.
675
00:34:53,617 --> 00:34:57,162
The bullets came down,
whistling like all the hobs of hell.
676
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,878
Another one of the annoyances
we had was the Germans
677
00:35:03,878 --> 00:35:05,504
were very active with mining.
678
00:35:07,506 --> 00:35:09,592
We crouched down underneath
the front parapet
679
00:35:09,592 --> 00:35:11,094
to dodge the debris falling,
680
00:35:11,094 --> 00:35:14,847
and I got the men to open up
rapid fire to prevent the Germans
681
00:35:14,847 --> 00:35:18,435
from getting into that crater
where they could bomb us.
682
00:35:18,435 --> 00:35:21,354
If the front line gets damaged,
it's got to be repaired.
683
00:35:21,354 --> 00:35:23,064
Well,
the people who are in the line,
684
00:35:23,064 --> 00:35:24,816
they've got to get on with it.
685
00:35:24,816 --> 00:35:29,279
I had in my mind that we expected
big gunfire to light amongst
686
00:35:29,279 --> 00:35:32,616
all us cavalry and absolutely
swipe us off the face of the Earth.
687
00:35:36,495 --> 00:35:38,413
I shouted, "Gallop!" like that.
688
00:35:38,413 --> 00:35:40,708
They dropped 'em all at once,
the horses.
689
00:35:42,042 --> 00:35:44,294
Oh, a heck of a mess.
690
00:35:44,294 --> 00:35:47,298
The horses were laying down,
with their intestines hanging out,
691
00:35:47,298 --> 00:35:50,342
and men with matter hanging out
of theirs.
692
00:35:50,342 --> 00:35:52,845
"And that, boys," they said,
"the bloody Germans!"
693
00:35:52,845 --> 00:35:55,849
To lose a horse was
like losing a friend.
694
00:35:55,849 --> 00:35:58,642
The Brigadier turned
to our captain and he says,
695
00:35:58,642 --> 00:36:00,645
"See that the boy has
two or three days' rest.
696
00:36:00,645 --> 00:36:02,272
"When a boy likes an animal
like that,
697
00:36:02,272 --> 00:36:04,732
"there's not a lot wrong with him."
698
00:36:04,732 --> 00:36:07,360
Over the whole of the front line,
there was a smell.
699
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,612
It wasn't a complicated smell,
700
00:36:09,612 --> 00:36:12,657
it was the smell
of decaying corpses.
701
00:36:12,657 --> 00:36:14,868
Nasty, sickly smell.
702
00:36:14,868 --> 00:36:16,453
You never forgot that smell.
703
00:36:16,453 --> 00:36:19,039
FLIES BUZZ
704
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:20,666
It was the smell of death.
705
00:36:20,666 --> 00:36:24,920
If you've ever smelt a dead mouse,
it was like that, but hundreds
706
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,880
and hundreds of times worse.
707
00:36:28,757 --> 00:36:30,217
It seemed to cling to everything.
708
00:36:30,217 --> 00:36:33,888
When you was having your food,
you could taste it.
709
00:36:33,888 --> 00:36:38,935
The awful stench and bits of
human bodies laying about,
710
00:36:38,935 --> 00:36:41,520
it became an everyday thing.
711
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,733
We thought, well, it'll be you
too next, what does it matter?
712
00:36:46,860 --> 00:36:51,072
Wherever there was a grave
or a body, there were rats.
713
00:36:51,072 --> 00:36:52,282
They were all big fat ones
714
00:36:52,282 --> 00:36:54,952
and we knew where they got
the fat from.
715
00:36:54,952 --> 00:37:00,332
Unpleasant animals, because of
the filtration into the graves.
716
00:37:00,332 --> 00:37:03,710
They used to feed on the dead
and come in the dugouts,
717
00:37:03,710 --> 00:37:05,254
pick up scraps in there.
718
00:37:05,254 --> 00:37:07,256
I woke up in the bottom
of the trench
719
00:37:07,256 --> 00:37:09,716
and felt something warm on my face.
720
00:37:09,716 --> 00:37:12,720
And a little heart
going bang, bang, bang.
721
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:15,389
The devil scratched my face
with the claws of his hind feet
722
00:37:15,389 --> 00:37:16,557
as he took off.
723
00:37:16,557 --> 00:37:18,976
We used to try and shoot them,
hit them, kill them,
724
00:37:18,976 --> 00:37:20,478
chase them, do anything.
725
00:37:20,478 --> 00:37:22,021
GUNSHOTS AND BANGING, RATS SQUEAK
726
00:37:22,021 --> 00:37:24,064
Then you've got gas.
727
00:37:24,064 --> 00:37:27,193
We saw this green cloud
coming towards us.
728
00:37:27,193 --> 00:37:29,236
Just rolling slowly
along the ground.
729
00:37:29,236 --> 00:37:30,822
They'd shout "gas"...
MEN SHOUT
730
00:37:30,822 --> 00:37:33,032
..and you had to take your mask out
and stick it on
731
00:37:33,032 --> 00:37:34,575
in two, three seconds.
732
00:37:34,575 --> 00:37:38,914
Yes, it was phosgene gas,
later on there was mustard gas.
733
00:37:38,914 --> 00:37:40,832
That was very effective.
734
00:37:40,832 --> 00:37:44,002
I never saw a slightly gassed man.
735
00:37:44,002 --> 00:37:47,130
If you couldn't get your gas mask,
you were to pee on your handkerchief
736
00:37:47,130 --> 00:37:49,383
and stuff this round
your nose and mouth.
737
00:37:49,383 --> 00:37:51,885
I don't mind admitting that
I didn't think much of the
738
00:37:51,885 --> 00:37:54,929
urinating on the handkerchief,
so I went into one of
739
00:37:54,929 --> 00:37:58,475
the trench's latrines
and I stuck my head in a bucket.
740
00:37:58,475 --> 00:38:00,727
But I'll tell you, I couldn't
hold my breath any more,
741
00:38:00,727 --> 00:38:03,731
came up, took a good breath of air,
down again.
742
00:38:03,731 --> 00:38:05,899
We were very soon
enveloped in this thick,
743
00:38:05,899 --> 00:38:07,693
yellow, filthy cloud.
744
00:38:07,693 --> 00:38:10,988
The more we tried to get rid
of the sting in our eyes,
745
00:38:10,988 --> 00:38:12,657
the worse it got.
746
00:38:14,742 --> 00:38:16,953
And I thought deeply
of what the effect of blindness
747
00:38:16,953 --> 00:38:18,621
was going to be.
748
00:38:18,621 --> 00:38:22,584
The extraction of clotted blood
and the injection of saline
749
00:38:22,584 --> 00:38:24,753
could alleviate a lot
of the trouble.
750
00:38:24,753 --> 00:38:27,798
And as I was gassed myself,
I can speak from experience.
751
00:38:30,091 --> 00:38:32,803
In the winter time,
as the weather deteriorated,
752
00:38:32,803 --> 00:38:36,014
so the trenches got
more and more sodden with water
753
00:38:36,014 --> 00:38:38,308
until they just became ditches.
754
00:38:38,308 --> 00:38:41,020
The water was swirling
about our feet and rising higher
755
00:38:41,020 --> 00:38:44,481
and higher
until it reached our chests.
756
00:38:44,481 --> 00:38:47,401
Our difficulty was frostbite.
757
00:38:47,401 --> 00:38:51,155
Our gumboots filled with water,
and in the mornings we could not
758
00:38:51,155 --> 00:38:54,950
split them off because
they were frozen to our feet.
759
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:57,162
When you're talking
about trench feet,
760
00:38:57,162 --> 00:38:58,746
you're talking about gangrene.
761
00:38:58,746 --> 00:39:03,084
Send him straight down the line,
hack the legs off.
762
00:39:03,084 --> 00:39:04,961
Give us a hand with that, will you?
763
00:39:04,961 --> 00:39:09,132
When the water had soaked into the
earth, the floors of the trenches
764
00:39:09,132 --> 00:39:14,053
were just paved with liquid mud,
and that became like glue.
765
00:39:14,053 --> 00:39:18,183
It was a curious
sucking kind of mud.
766
00:39:18,183 --> 00:39:20,769
Very disgusting indeed,
very tenacious.
767
00:39:20,769 --> 00:39:22,437
It stuck to you.
768
00:39:22,437 --> 00:39:26,024
If one had to go
to the rear for rations,
769
00:39:26,024 --> 00:39:28,443
well, that was just
a nightmare journey.
770
00:39:28,443 --> 00:39:30,195
Slithering about.
771
00:39:30,195 --> 00:39:33,532
When it was pouring with rain
and on slippery duck boards,
772
00:39:33,532 --> 00:39:35,993
the language was really edifying.
773
00:39:35,993 --> 00:39:38,787
You heard words that
you never dream existed.
774
00:39:38,787 --> 00:39:42,000
And if you slipped off the duck
boards, you just sank into the mud
775
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,211
of decomposed bodies
of humans and mules,
776
00:39:45,211 --> 00:39:47,547
and that was the end of you.
777
00:39:47,547 --> 00:39:50,925
The boy, he was in the middle
of this huge sea of mud, struggling,
778
00:39:50,925 --> 00:39:52,552
and we couldn't do a thing.
779
00:39:52,552 --> 00:39:54,053
There was no hope of getting to him.
780
00:39:54,053 --> 00:39:56,848
The look on the lad's face,
and he was a mere boy,
781
00:39:56,848 --> 00:39:58,892
was really pathetic.
COUGHING AND SPLUTTERING
782
00:39:58,892 --> 00:40:02,562
I've seen men sinking into the mud
and dying in the slime.
783
00:40:02,562 --> 00:40:05,231
I think it absolutely
finished me off.
784
00:40:06,775 --> 00:40:09,277
It was supposed to be quiet and
then you might get
785
00:40:09,277 --> 00:40:12,197
some drunken German saying, "I'm
going to give them hell today,"
786
00:40:12,197 --> 00:40:13,866
and opened up with all
his batteries
787
00:40:13,866 --> 00:40:15,868
and catch hundreds of people
in the line-up.
788
00:40:15,868 --> 00:40:19,413
And that was what they called
holding the line.
789
00:40:19,413 --> 00:40:23,209
We were in conditions that isolated
us completely from civilisation.
790
00:40:23,209 --> 00:40:27,588
We got so generate,
so isolated living in this mud.
791
00:40:27,588 --> 00:40:31,342
And you could sympathise
with how a rabbit must feel
792
00:40:31,342 --> 00:40:34,595
because we were hunted by mankind,
just the same as a rabbit.
793
00:40:34,595 --> 00:40:37,098
You knew your lives were in
one another's hands
794
00:40:37,098 --> 00:40:39,767
and it united you very closely
and you didn't let anything
795
00:40:39,767 --> 00:40:41,769
interfere with that.
796
00:40:41,769 --> 00:40:44,189
You knew what was going
on within your vision.
797
00:40:44,189 --> 00:40:47,108
Beyond that, you hadn't got a clue.
HARMONICA PLAYS
798
00:40:47,108 --> 00:40:50,820
You didn't care how the war
was going, whether we were winning.
799
00:40:50,820 --> 00:40:52,864
You weren't bothered
with that at all.
800
00:40:52,864 --> 00:40:55,867
You lived like tramps,
you didn't polish any buttons,
801
00:40:55,867 --> 00:40:59,580
you wore any uniformed bits
that you liked and nobody worried.
802
00:40:59,580 --> 00:41:02,708
All they were concerned
with was that you were fit to fight.
803
00:41:02,708 --> 00:41:04,877
If nothing's happening,
you chat about life,
804
00:41:04,877 --> 00:41:07,129
where he came from
and you came from.
805
00:41:07,129 --> 00:41:08,422
Everything was friendly.
806
00:41:08,422 --> 00:41:10,633
There was a terrific lot
of kindness in a way,
807
00:41:10,633 --> 00:41:12,093
to each person.
808
00:41:12,093 --> 00:41:15,096
When the war was not very active,
it was really rather fun
809
00:41:15,096 --> 00:41:16,680
to be in the front line.
810
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,143
It was not very dangerous,
the sort of outdoor camping holiday
811
00:41:20,143 --> 00:41:24,940
with the boys, with a slight spice
of danger to make it interesting.
812
00:41:24,940 --> 00:41:28,651
We used to raid the trenches
and get a prisoner if possible.
813
00:41:28,651 --> 00:41:32,530
And a typical trench raid
would be perhaps eight in passing.
814
00:41:33,906 --> 00:41:36,160
If you was going to make a raid,
somebody would cut
815
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,412
a passage through the wire
at night-time.
816
00:41:41,122 --> 00:41:43,375
The only way to do it
was silently...
817
00:41:45,544 --> 00:41:47,796
..to rush it,
and that was the arrangement.
818
00:41:47,796 --> 00:41:50,090
We would bomb and bayonet
the Germans coming out
819
00:41:50,090 --> 00:41:52,718
on their hands and knees
out the dugout, we'd smack them
820
00:41:52,718 --> 00:41:55,304
over the head and throw
in a couple of bombs.
821
00:41:59,851 --> 00:42:02,353
And there were three ways
of getting rid of him.
822
00:42:02,353 --> 00:42:05,481
One was to knife him,
garrotte him or to bayonet him.
823
00:42:05,481 --> 00:42:08,693
Quietest was the quick wrap
around the throat
824
00:42:08,693 --> 00:42:10,194
and knife into the back.
825
00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:16,492
I threw a revolver
at poor little Rudolph,
826
00:42:16,492 --> 00:42:17,828
he was only about 18.
827
00:42:17,828 --> 00:42:19,412
I hit him in the face with it.
828
00:42:19,412 --> 00:42:22,082
He screamed and came back at me,
and that's when I got him.
829
00:42:22,082 --> 00:42:24,501
Got him with a Very pistol.
830
00:42:24,501 --> 00:42:26,336
Well done, chaps! Good raid!
831
00:42:26,336 --> 00:42:28,963
I always had a full flask
and I gave him a drink.
832
00:42:28,963 --> 00:42:30,924
I felt very sorry for him.
833
00:42:30,924 --> 00:42:34,052
He said, "Danke schoen,
das ist gut," and died.
834
00:42:41,685 --> 00:42:45,064
And it was a very successful raid,
they got two prisoners, I think,
835
00:42:45,064 --> 00:42:47,316
which was all they all wanted.
836
00:42:47,316 --> 00:42:50,236
By the way, the men
who were captured on the trench raid
837
00:42:50,236 --> 00:42:55,283
were the first Germans I saw
on the Western Front.
838
00:42:55,283 --> 00:42:58,494
A lot of the German troops,
they were very good, very friendly.
839
00:42:58,494 --> 00:43:02,332
In fact, some of those Bavarians
were dammed good, decent people.
840
00:43:02,332 --> 00:43:04,625
The snipers would fire
but not hit anybody,
841
00:43:04,625 --> 00:43:05,836
know what I mean?
842
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:10,048
They put up a sign - "Gott mit uns."
843
00:43:10,048 --> 00:43:11,800
God is with us.
844
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,887
And we put a sign up in English -
"We've got mittens too!"
845
00:43:14,887 --> 00:43:17,514
We don't know if the Germans
enjoyed that joke or not.
846
00:43:17,514 --> 00:43:20,642
There was a wounded German,
he was a Wartenberger, I think.
847
00:43:20,642 --> 00:43:22,894
We did what we could for him,
we gave him a bit of food
848
00:43:22,894 --> 00:43:26,607
and that sort of thing, and
he was cursing the Prussians.
849
00:43:26,607 --> 00:43:30,861
The Saxons were in front of us
and they gave us the warning
850
00:43:30,861 --> 00:43:34,449
that there were going
to be relieved by the Prussians.
851
00:43:34,449 --> 00:43:37,494
And they said to us,
"Give them hell."
852
00:43:37,494 --> 00:43:39,704
They hated the Prussians.
853
00:43:39,704 --> 00:43:41,623
The Prussians were cruel bastards.
854
00:43:43,958 --> 00:43:45,919
Hurry up! This way.
Schnell, schnell!
855
00:43:45,919 --> 00:43:48,171
Watch yourself. Come along!
856
00:43:48,171 --> 00:43:50,215
The Bavarians or the Saxonians,
857
00:43:50,215 --> 00:43:52,593
they were the more civilised
of the Germans.
858
00:43:52,593 --> 00:43:54,385
Part English, if anything.
859
00:43:57,472 --> 00:44:00,558
After a four-day spell
in the front line,
860
00:44:00,558 --> 00:44:04,313
we were relieved and we had to
march back to the billets
861
00:44:04,313 --> 00:44:06,648
a few miles behind the lines.
862
00:44:06,648 --> 00:44:10,194
We were going for
a supposed one-week's rest.
863
00:44:10,194 --> 00:44:12,279
Everybody was dead whacked.
864
00:44:12,279 --> 00:44:14,115
We were all pretty knocked up.
865
00:44:14,115 --> 00:44:16,284
We extricated ourselves from the mud
866
00:44:16,284 --> 00:44:19,328
to what was, somewhat ironically,
called rest.
867
00:44:19,328 --> 00:44:22,998
In the front line itself,
you didn't criticise people
868
00:44:22,998 --> 00:44:25,626
and if you had a chap
who was a bit dicky,
869
00:44:25,626 --> 00:44:28,087
you would keep an eye on him,
just like in a family.
870
00:44:28,087 --> 00:44:30,715
But when you got out of the line,
you'd want nothing to do
871
00:44:30,715 --> 00:44:32,133
with those people at all.
872
00:44:32,133 --> 00:44:34,344
I mean, you can't call
it comradeship exactly,
873
00:44:34,344 --> 00:44:35,804
it was the way you did it.
874
00:44:35,804 --> 00:44:38,640
Come and get your mail!
Welcome back!
875
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,519
The thing which always struck me
as being absolutely stupid
876
00:44:42,519 --> 00:44:46,982
was the next morning,
every man had to be spick and span,
877
00:44:46,982 --> 00:44:48,566
not a trace of mud on him.
878
00:44:50,485 --> 00:44:54,198
You'd brush off clothes or dry
them off the best way you could
879
00:44:54,198 --> 00:44:55,657
and clean your boots.
880
00:44:55,657 --> 00:44:58,285
In other words, smarten yourself up.
881
00:44:58,285 --> 00:45:01,372
THEY PLAY
It's A Long Way To Tipperary
882
00:45:11,091 --> 00:45:13,593
The men would always appear
the same -
883
00:45:13,593 --> 00:45:17,472
cheerful and, in the circumstances,
happy as they could be,
884
00:45:17,472 --> 00:45:19,432
making the best of everything.
885
00:45:19,432 --> 00:45:21,976
You know, in true British fashion.
886
00:45:23,186 --> 00:45:27,358
What? The Cockney wit was prevalent
and we were all lads together,
887
00:45:27,358 --> 00:45:30,486
you know, we didn't care about it.
888
00:45:30,486 --> 00:45:34,615
We'd make a fuss about nothing,
the little things that didn't matter
889
00:45:34,615 --> 00:45:37,868
really, because it was something
to fill the time in.
890
00:45:37,868 --> 00:45:40,621
We used to have to make
our own amusements.
891
00:45:40,621 --> 00:45:41,914
Bloody bastard!
892
00:45:41,914 --> 00:45:43,583
You laughed at the slightest things.
893
00:45:43,583 --> 00:45:46,836
I think probably it was the
general tension of the atmosphere
894
00:45:46,836 --> 00:45:49,005
that used to make us like that,
you know?
895
00:45:51,090 --> 00:45:54,677
My mother sent me a parcel
with a plum pudding, of all things,
896
00:45:54,677 --> 00:45:57,305
and had no thought of
not being able to cook it,
897
00:45:57,305 --> 00:45:58,932
so we used it as a rugby ball.
898
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,520
We had this regimental sports day.
899
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,106
And I won't say
I was the only sober one,
900
00:46:06,106 --> 00:46:09,317
but most of them were merry
about it.
901
00:46:13,863 --> 00:46:15,782
MEN LAUGH AND SHOUT
902
00:46:17,493 --> 00:46:20,120
I mean, you took part in everything
because you had to fill
903
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,498
your time in, you know.
904
00:46:22,498 --> 00:46:24,542
Otherwise all you did
was sit about and smoke.
905
00:46:24,542 --> 00:46:26,544
CHILDREN LAUGH
906
00:46:28,671 --> 00:46:32,257
The only time we saw the artillery
was when we was out of rest.
907
00:46:32,257 --> 00:46:33,968
Fire!
908
00:46:36,554 --> 00:46:39,098
They would be, say,
two miles behind the line.
909
00:46:40,809 --> 00:46:43,061
Fire!
910
00:46:43,061 --> 00:46:45,897
We wanted to neutralise enemy
batteries, so we were registering
911
00:46:45,897 --> 00:46:47,732
our batteries on his.
Fire!
912
00:46:50,110 --> 00:46:52,112
We used to know the line
and elevation
913
00:46:52,112 --> 00:46:53,947
because it was done by aircraft.
914
00:46:56,241 --> 00:46:59,411
It was pretty ghastly, but the idea
was to kill as many German gunners
915
00:46:59,411 --> 00:47:00,704
as you could.
916
00:47:00,704 --> 00:47:01,955
Ready!
917
00:47:03,873 --> 00:47:05,542
Fire!
918
00:47:12,049 --> 00:47:15,093
There was no motorised transport
for guns.
919
00:47:15,093 --> 00:47:17,847
The guns used to be
brought up by horses.
920
00:47:17,847 --> 00:47:19,474
Eight horses to each gun team.
921
00:47:19,474 --> 00:47:21,183
Four horses to each wagon team.
922
00:47:21,183 --> 00:47:22,685
About 60 horses.
923
00:47:24,228 --> 00:47:27,106
The gunners made a filthy noise,
jingling and jingling
924
00:47:27,106 --> 00:47:29,108
and the horses making
noises both ends.
925
00:47:29,108 --> 00:47:31,277
And it was always
of great concern for those of us
926
00:47:31,277 --> 00:47:32,904
who were going into battle.
927
00:47:32,904 --> 00:47:35,615
Heave!
MEN GRUNT, HORSES BRAY
928
00:47:37,242 --> 00:47:38,659
Heave!
929
00:47:43,706 --> 00:47:45,959
Each company officer
paid his own company.
930
00:47:45,959 --> 00:47:49,588
Now, it was generally the
first morning after we were out
931
00:47:49,588 --> 00:47:52,341
of the line, you got five francs.
932
00:47:52,341 --> 00:47:55,177
A franc was worth 10p,
so 50p was your pay
933
00:47:55,177 --> 00:47:57,388
for a fortnight, 50p.
934
00:47:57,388 --> 00:48:00,391
Now, that's a week
of riotous living.
935
00:48:00,391 --> 00:48:03,811
Every town of any size at all
had a brothel
936
00:48:03,811 --> 00:48:07,440
and that was where most
of these boys learned a little bit
937
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,943
more about life than they would ever
have done in normal civil life.
938
00:48:10,943 --> 00:48:13,863
So although they were young
in years, it wasn't long
939
00:48:13,863 --> 00:48:16,491
before they were quite worldly men.
940
00:48:16,491 --> 00:48:18,910
One of the lads said,
"Let's go and have a look
941
00:48:18,910 --> 00:48:21,580
"in the White Star.
It's like a pub."
942
00:48:21,580 --> 00:48:24,249
I'd led a very sheltered life.
943
00:48:24,249 --> 00:48:28,086
And they were beautiful girls
with just a piece of lace on,
944
00:48:28,086 --> 00:48:32,382
and, oh, my word, I'd never seen
anything like it before!
945
00:48:32,382 --> 00:48:35,635
There was I, a young lad, knowing
nothing about this, and off we go,
946
00:48:35,635 --> 00:48:38,848
and these men were
going up to see the girls.
947
00:48:38,848 --> 00:48:41,225
I was very keen. I said
to one of these fellas,
948
00:48:41,225 --> 00:48:42,894
"I've only got a sixpence."
949
00:48:42,894 --> 00:48:45,521
He said, "That's no good,
it's a shilling."
950
00:48:45,521 --> 00:48:48,357
That was my first experience
of a brothel.
951
00:48:48,357 --> 00:48:51,444
Anyway, we looked in there
for a couple of minutes,
952
00:48:51,444 --> 00:48:54,447
when four or five naked girls
came running down the corridor.
953
00:48:54,447 --> 00:48:56,699
We turned tail and ran!
954
00:48:56,699 --> 00:48:58,826
It was an eye-opener to me.
955
00:48:58,826 --> 00:49:01,203
There she stood, great, big woman,
956
00:49:01,203 --> 00:49:03,748
with this little cane in her hand
and she belted my backside
957
00:49:03,748 --> 00:49:05,249
as if I was a little schoolboy.
958
00:49:05,249 --> 00:49:07,586
Pelted Sergeant this
and pelted Sergeant the other,
959
00:49:07,586 --> 00:49:09,253
thump, thump, thump, thump, thump!
960
00:49:09,253 --> 00:49:11,673
HE LAUGHS
961
00:49:11,673 --> 00:49:13,216
Oh, gambling?
962
00:49:13,216 --> 00:49:14,843
People were gambling all day long.
963
00:49:14,843 --> 00:49:17,470
The Canadians and the Australians
used a gamble terrific
964
00:49:17,470 --> 00:49:18,889
amounts of money.
965
00:49:18,889 --> 00:49:20,515
More money than any of us seen.
966
00:49:24,061 --> 00:49:26,146
The beer was very thin indeed.
967
00:49:26,146 --> 00:49:30,650
It was one and nine stuff -
one pint, nine piddles.
968
00:49:30,650 --> 00:49:33,863
Friday was always the issue day
for cigarettes
969
00:49:33,863 --> 00:49:36,740
and the cigarettes were
Three Witches,
970
00:49:36,740 --> 00:49:40,369
which soon became
Three Bitches or Red Hue Tsars.
971
00:49:40,369 --> 00:49:44,582
I think they were made
from stable returns.
972
00:49:44,582 --> 00:49:48,544
But generally, in good-sized
villages, you could get Woodbines
973
00:49:48,544 --> 00:49:54,801
and Player's, and they were far
preferable to the issue cigarettes.
974
00:49:54,801 --> 00:49:57,596
Of course, we were always
bartering with the Frenchmen.
975
00:49:57,596 --> 00:49:59,598
We used to barter some of our
under-clothing
976
00:49:59,598 --> 00:50:01,683
and get a loaf of bread with it.
977
00:50:01,683 --> 00:50:05,311
We used to swap our British
cigarettes for their French wine.
978
00:50:05,311 --> 00:50:08,857
It could be just as tiring out
of the line as in the line
979
00:50:08,857 --> 00:50:10,609
and it was sometimes worse.
980
00:50:10,609 --> 00:50:12,570
If you were chosen for fatigue,
981
00:50:12,570 --> 00:50:15,573
you'd have to go
on the working party.
982
00:50:15,573 --> 00:50:19,786
You collected stores from a big dump
three or four miles back.
983
00:50:19,786 --> 00:50:22,413
Enormous bundles of sandbags,
984
00:50:22,413 --> 00:50:26,000
many made-up duck boards
and, worst of all, barbed wire.
985
00:50:27,376 --> 00:50:29,003
It was always hard work.
986
00:50:29,003 --> 00:50:32,548
You were a bonny labouring boy
more than you were a fighter.
987
00:50:32,548 --> 00:50:35,635
All the chaps were very tired,
but it made no difference.
988
00:50:35,635 --> 00:50:37,553
And they were mentally tired out.
989
00:50:37,553 --> 00:50:39,681
They'd just come out of a
trench tour for a rest
990
00:50:39,681 --> 00:50:42,142
and this was
the kind of rest they were getting.
991
00:50:43,601 --> 00:50:47,856
You would be carrying stuff
up on a light railway.
992
00:50:47,856 --> 00:50:51,818
Yes, they laid a narrow gauge,
light railway track.
993
00:50:51,818 --> 00:50:55,656
It was the simplest of things,
just platforms on wheels,
994
00:50:55,656 --> 00:50:57,866
driven by light locomotives.
995
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,127
Light railways were always
a blooming nuisance
996
00:51:08,127 --> 00:51:11,130
because they were always
coming off the track.
997
00:51:11,130 --> 00:51:15,009
And they lost control of this truck
going down a slight incline
998
00:51:15,009 --> 00:51:17,261
and it would barge
into the one in front,
999
00:51:17,261 --> 00:51:21,599
which scattered the duck boards
all over the place.
1000
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:25,020
We used to take our mess tins
up to the engine driver
1001
00:51:25,020 --> 00:51:28,356
and get some boiling water
for our brew-up of tea.
1002
00:51:31,443 --> 00:51:32,902
And another.
1003
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:39,743
The Germans could see the steam
and smoke from the steam engine.
1004
00:51:39,743 --> 00:51:42,413
So then it was mostly petrol engines
1005
00:51:42,413 --> 00:51:44,915
which used to run up
to the trenches.
1006
00:51:47,793 --> 00:51:50,754
The light railway only went
as far as the communication trench,
1007
00:51:50,754 --> 00:51:53,466
and then we had to push the thing
along by hand.
1008
00:51:57,386 --> 00:51:59,722
Somebody came along and said,
"This is it, we're going
1009
00:51:59,722 --> 00:52:01,307
"to be home by Christmas!
1010
00:52:01,307 --> 00:52:02,975
"We'll just go down the road
1011
00:52:02,975 --> 00:52:05,353
"and look in a field there,
you'll see."
1012
00:52:05,353 --> 00:52:07,647
Wouldn't tell us why.
Anyway, we went down.
1013
00:52:07,647 --> 00:52:10,984
They were on the roadside covered
with tarpaulin sheets.
1014
00:52:10,984 --> 00:52:14,863
You could see nothing
except a square outline.
1015
00:52:14,863 --> 00:52:17,740
And then the officer said, "These
are supposed to be hush-hush."
1016
00:52:17,740 --> 00:52:20,785
When we asked what it was,
the simple reply was "tanks".
1017
00:52:20,785 --> 00:52:24,748
Knowing the shortage of water,
we naturally assumed water tanks
1018
00:52:24,748 --> 00:52:27,084
and thought that we were
getting reserve supplies.
1019
00:52:27,084 --> 00:52:29,503
It was one of the best-kept secrets.
1020
00:52:29,503 --> 00:52:31,880
We were delighted because
these wonderful machines
1021
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,215
were going to win the war.
1022
00:52:34,717 --> 00:52:36,719
Soon everybody would be home again.
1023
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,762
Of course, it didn't
happen like that.
1024
00:52:41,557 --> 00:52:45,811
We were taken out of the line
and had intensive training.
1025
00:52:45,811 --> 00:52:50,107
Plunge the bayonet into the sack,
shout like hell.
1026
00:52:50,107 --> 00:52:53,695
It was to get used to plunging
them into somebody's body.
1027
00:52:53,695 --> 00:52:56,447
Then we fired our rifles
on the rifle range.
1028
00:53:03,747 --> 00:53:06,291
Firing rifle grenades
is a specialist job.
1029
00:53:08,418 --> 00:53:10,003
But they were clumsy.
1030
00:53:11,213 --> 00:53:13,007
I didn't like them much.
1031
00:53:14,591 --> 00:53:18,720
Forced marching, marching without
a rest and also a frontal attack,
1032
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:21,140
right flank attack,
left flank attack,
1033
00:53:21,140 --> 00:53:23,476
both flanks attack,
night attack,
1034
00:53:23,476 --> 00:53:26,019
and we wondered what the devil
all this training was for.
1035
00:53:26,019 --> 00:53:28,939
BAGPIPES PLAY
1036
00:53:28,939 --> 00:53:32,151
The corps commander said that
he had just received instructions
1037
00:53:32,151 --> 00:53:36,281
to go ahead with an operation
to break through the German lines.
1038
00:53:38,366 --> 00:53:41,118
Suddenly we were called to parade
with full marching order,
1039
00:53:41,118 --> 00:53:43,955
and we had to go back up the front,
and we'd only been out of the line
1040
00:53:43,955 --> 00:53:45,373
a couple of days.
1041
00:53:45,373 --> 00:53:49,210
We could see streams of supplies,
mostly ammunition columns,
1042
00:53:49,210 --> 00:53:51,547
going up toward the front.
1043
00:53:51,547 --> 00:53:53,924
We didn't have a lot of notice,
but we knew it was going
1044
00:53:53,924 --> 00:53:55,383
to be a big advance.
1045
00:54:09,773 --> 00:54:11,275
So batteries pushed forward,
1046
00:54:11,275 --> 00:54:13,569
forward positions filled up
with ammunition.
1047
00:54:13,569 --> 00:54:16,114
Let's get these ladders up.
1048
00:54:16,114 --> 00:54:20,118
As the great push drew nearer,
the line livened up. It began to get
1049
00:54:20,118 --> 00:54:22,787
much more dangerous
and not nearly so much fun.
1050
00:54:22,787 --> 00:54:25,665
And we learnt that
a bayonet charge was to be made
1051
00:54:25,665 --> 00:54:28,793
on German machine gunners.
1052
00:54:28,793 --> 00:54:31,755
"I wish it to be impressed
on all ranks, the importance
1053
00:54:31,755 --> 00:54:34,466
"of the operations
about to commence.
1054
00:54:34,466 --> 00:54:37,218
"The Germans are now outnumbered
and outgunned
1055
00:54:37,218 --> 00:54:39,471
"and will soon go
to pieces if every man goes
1056
00:54:39,471 --> 00:54:41,598
"into the fight
determined to get through
1057
00:54:41,598 --> 00:54:43,684
"whatever the local difficulties
may be.
1058
00:54:43,684 --> 00:54:46,770
"I am confident that the brigade
will distinguish itself in this,
1059
00:54:46,770 --> 00:54:48,188
"its first battle.
1060
00:54:48,188 --> 00:54:51,817
"Let every man remember
that all England is watching him."
1061
00:54:51,817 --> 00:54:55,529
We marched all through the night,
and it got so bad that officers
1062
00:54:55,529 --> 00:54:59,283
at the side were pushing men back
into line who were straggling out,
1063
00:54:59,283 --> 00:55:02,871
and your legs just seemed
to go automatically forward.
1064
00:55:02,871 --> 00:55:05,373
I had a feeling that we were
walking in our sleep.
1065
00:55:05,373 --> 00:55:07,167
More men were brought into the line,
1066
00:55:07,167 --> 00:55:10,170
regiments were crowded up
closer together.
1067
00:55:10,170 --> 00:55:14,299
We were filling up the trenches,
packed in like sardines.
1068
00:55:14,299 --> 00:55:18,220
Our captain was a splendid man.
He would never bark an order at you,
1069
00:55:18,220 --> 00:55:20,847
he would give an order
in a conversational way.
1070
00:55:20,847 --> 00:55:22,974
"We don't know exactly
how far this trench is,
1071
00:55:22,974 --> 00:55:25,852
"but between 200 and 300 yards.
1072
00:55:25,852 --> 00:55:29,022
"I will go over with the first wave
and you will be in the second wave.
1073
00:55:29,022 --> 00:55:32,485
"And as soon as the curtain fire
starts, we'll move.
1074
00:55:32,485 --> 00:55:34,987
"Now, go along and tell
your men to be ready."
1075
00:55:34,987 --> 00:55:37,823
And this is the
sort of order we got.
1076
00:55:37,823 --> 00:55:40,910
I had two assorted companies,
both ignorant of what their conduct
1077
00:55:40,910 --> 00:55:42,620
would be when they got into action.
1078
00:55:42,620 --> 00:55:45,497
So Captain Neville thought it
might be helpful if he could furnish
1079
00:55:45,497 --> 00:55:48,250
each platoon with a football
and allow them to kick it forward
1080
00:55:48,250 --> 00:55:49,627
and follow it.
1081
00:55:49,627 --> 00:55:52,046
I think myself that it did help
them enormously,
1082
00:55:52,046 --> 00:55:53,923
it took their minds off it.
1083
00:55:53,923 --> 00:55:57,218
We had an extra bandolier
of ammunition around our necks,
1084
00:55:57,218 --> 00:55:59,804
and if you didn't have a shovel,
you had a pick.
1085
00:55:59,804 --> 00:56:02,932
We got in the trenches
and we waited for zero hour.
1086
00:56:02,932 --> 00:56:05,685
All the watches were synchronised.
1087
00:56:05,685 --> 00:56:08,063
I was what's called
a first bayonet man,
1088
00:56:08,063 --> 00:56:10,399
which meant that I carried
the rifle with the bayonet
1089
00:56:10,399 --> 00:56:11,900
in the attacking position,
1090
00:56:11,900 --> 00:56:14,236
and the rest of the men
carried bags of bombs.
1091
00:56:16,697 --> 00:56:19,408
And we were warned to be ready
to advance at any moment.
1092
00:56:19,408 --> 00:56:22,620
"Any moment" was quite a long time
coming and, of course, that added
1093
00:56:22,620 --> 00:56:24,622
to the tension that we were feeling.
1094
00:56:26,749 --> 00:56:30,169
My platoon had been told
to go out and test the fire.
1095
00:56:30,169 --> 00:56:33,047
We had to get out
and walk towards the enemy.
1096
00:56:33,047 --> 00:56:37,677
We went about 200 yards
and then they called us back again.
1097
00:56:37,677 --> 00:56:41,639
There was to be no preliminary
bombardment the days beforehand,
1098
00:56:41,639 --> 00:56:45,601
there was only one short, sharp
barrage just before the battle.
1099
00:56:47,645 --> 00:56:50,398
You've got to have
the artillery preparation
1100
00:56:50,398 --> 00:56:52,150
to smash their wire down.
1101
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:53,443
Fire!
1102
00:56:53,443 --> 00:56:57,572
I ordered fire on possible enemy
assembly and forming-up positions.
1103
00:56:57,572 --> 00:57:02,036
The bombardment started
and the ground shook.
1104
00:57:03,870 --> 00:57:08,459
And we could see the hundreds
and hundreds of gun flashes.
1105
00:57:09,585 --> 00:57:11,212
Ready, fire!
1106
00:57:20,471 --> 00:57:24,476
As soon as the bombardment started,
the German retaliation came.
1107
00:57:28,271 --> 00:57:30,649
For four hours, we had to sit
there and take everything
1108
00:57:30,649 --> 00:57:32,316
they slung at us.
1109
00:57:33,735 --> 00:57:36,612
And first of all,
a large number of tanks went in.
1110
00:57:36,612 --> 00:57:39,825
We could hear them
rumbling and rattling.
1111
00:57:39,825 --> 00:57:42,494
320 tanks crawling along.
1112
00:57:42,494 --> 00:57:45,455
We waited for the signal
to move off.
1113
00:57:45,455 --> 00:57:50,294
Already, everybody was anxious
to go, but we waited and waited.
1114
00:57:52,338 --> 00:57:54,548
We got no sleep at all that night,
owing to the noise
1115
00:57:54,548 --> 00:57:59,303
of our artillery barrage, which was
continuous, the whole time.
1116
00:57:59,303 --> 00:58:01,889
We was asked to hand over
any personal belongings
1117
00:58:01,889 --> 00:58:05,226
to our company officer,
such as photographs and letters
1118
00:58:05,226 --> 00:58:07,895
that we valued.
1119
00:58:07,895 --> 00:58:11,107
I heard soft voices talking to one
another quietly,
1120
00:58:11,107 --> 00:58:14,110
and I wondered - how many are going
to live to see the sun rise?
1121
00:58:14,110 --> 00:58:16,988
In a man's pay book, there was
provision for making a valid will
1122
00:58:16,988 --> 00:58:19,533
if they were going into action
for the first time.
1123
00:58:19,533 --> 00:58:21,910
I didn't bother with it,
I had nothing to leave anybody.
1124
00:58:21,910 --> 00:58:23,704
HE LAUGHS
1125
00:58:23,704 --> 00:58:26,539
The fellow next to you,
he was your best friend.
1126
00:58:26,539 --> 00:58:29,084
You perhaps didn't know him
the day before.
1127
00:58:29,084 --> 00:58:31,336
And then an hour to go,
they were the longest
1128
00:58:31,336 --> 00:58:34,047
and the shortest hours in life.
1129
00:58:34,047 --> 00:58:36,425
We had unlimited time for thinking,
1130
00:58:36,425 --> 00:58:39,594
and I know I found myself thinking
much more deeply
1131
00:58:39,594 --> 00:58:42,306
than I had ever thought before.
1132
00:58:42,306 --> 00:58:44,308
Some people might be incapable
of thinking,
1133
00:58:44,308 --> 00:58:46,727
they might have regarded
the situation as being such
1134
00:58:46,727 --> 00:58:48,437
that they were incapable of thought.
1135
00:58:48,437 --> 00:58:50,439
I don't think
there was any feeling of fear,
1136
00:58:50,439 --> 00:58:52,817
it was just
that we were doing a job
1137
00:58:52,817 --> 00:58:54,944
and if it came, it came.
1138
00:58:54,944 --> 00:58:59,532
We realised that, sooner or later,
we were going to get the chop.
1139
00:58:59,532 --> 00:59:01,909
You were either going to be killed
or wounded.
1140
00:59:01,909 --> 00:59:05,121
I was not in the least frightened
being killed,
1141
00:59:05,121 --> 00:59:08,958
but I was terrified
lest I should lose an arm or a leg.
1142
00:59:08,958 --> 00:59:12,128
Waiting for an hour for an attack
is not a very pleasant thing.
1143
00:59:12,128 --> 00:59:16,382
We sort of chatted away, trying
to keep the spirits up, you see.
1144
00:59:16,382 --> 00:59:20,095
We told dirty stories
and made crude remarks.
1145
00:59:20,095 --> 00:59:22,973
We had 1,000 guns massed
on a mile front behind us.
1146
00:59:22,973 --> 00:59:25,309
Well, you can imagine all
this stuff coming over you,
1147
00:59:25,309 --> 00:59:27,352
we had the German stuff
coming the other way.
1148
00:59:27,352 --> 00:59:31,315
The noise rose to a crescendo
such as I'd never heard before.
1149
00:59:31,315 --> 00:59:33,359
You wouldn't hear a word.
1150
00:59:33,359 --> 00:59:37,488
The shells were passing over you
probably three foot, four foot.
1151
00:59:37,488 --> 00:59:41,367
And the air, it was an inferno,
and your line was another inferno.
1152
00:59:41,367 --> 00:59:43,661
Reason was completely blasted
out of it.
1153
00:59:43,661 --> 00:59:47,039
The bombardment created a sort
of hysterical feeling.
1154
00:59:47,039 --> 00:59:49,459
All of a sudden,
one of our fellas started crying,
1155
00:59:49,459 --> 00:59:52,379
really screaming and crying.
The officer in charge telling
1156
00:59:52,379 --> 00:59:56,132
the Sergeant, "Find that man
and shoot him, shoot him!"
1157
00:59:56,132 --> 00:59:58,635
It's difficult to explain
the reaction of a man
1158
00:59:58,635 --> 01:00:01,179
when he is in a big bombardment.
1159
01:00:01,179 --> 01:00:04,933
He thought that this man's screaming
and crying would be a danger
1160
01:00:04,933 --> 01:00:06,727
to the rest of the men.
1161
01:00:06,727 --> 01:00:09,146
As soon as it was light,
we were given a ration of rum,
1162
01:00:09,146 --> 01:00:11,524
any amount of it,
as much as you can drink.
1163
01:00:11,524 --> 01:00:13,859
And we got the order
to fix bayonets.
1164
01:00:13,859 --> 01:00:15,820
Fix bayonets! Fix bayonets!
1165
01:00:15,820 --> 01:00:17,446
Bayonets fixed!
1166
01:00:17,446 --> 01:00:21,658
It was a beautiful day, the way
it dawned after a rainy night.
1167
01:00:21,658 --> 01:00:23,035
A beautiful day.
1168
01:00:23,035 --> 01:00:27,206
Five minutes to go, I remember those
lads standing there, dead silent,
1169
01:00:27,206 --> 01:00:28,749
couldn't make a noise.
1170
01:00:28,749 --> 01:00:31,461
I was more frightened sitting,
waiting to start.
1171
01:00:31,461 --> 01:00:34,255
I was very frightened then,
very frightened indeed.
1172
01:00:34,255 --> 01:00:37,842
And an officer shouted along the
line, "Is everybody ready?"
1173
01:00:37,842 --> 01:00:40,845
And I called out, "I can't get my
bayonet on my rifle, sir."
1174
01:00:40,845 --> 01:00:43,265
And he said,
"Damn you, mate, hurry up."
1175
01:00:43,265 --> 01:00:45,517
I sent back a message
to brigade headquarters
1176
01:00:45,517 --> 01:00:47,018
to say we were all ready.
1177
01:00:47,018 --> 01:00:49,355
But unfortunately
a slight mistake occurred.
1178
01:00:49,355 --> 01:00:52,399
The first thing they knew
was a terrific tremor on the ground.
1179
01:00:52,399 --> 01:00:55,444
We blew a mine, which should
have been under the German trenches
1180
01:00:55,444 --> 01:00:57,070
but it wasn't.
1181
01:01:00,491 --> 01:01:03,202
It was in no-man's-land, and
that gave the Germans five minutes
1182
01:01:03,202 --> 01:01:05,370
to occupy the crater,
which they did.
1183
01:01:08,207 --> 01:01:11,836
Sergeant Moore, he was standing
behind the trench with a revolver
1184
01:01:11,836 --> 01:01:14,964
in his hand and he said, "Any boy
goes back, I shoot them."
1185
01:01:14,964 --> 01:01:18,342
So that if we didn't go one way,
we wouldn't go the other.
1186
01:01:18,342 --> 01:01:20,846
There wasn't a reluctance
to go over the top,
1187
01:01:20,846 --> 01:01:22,513
not with people I were with.
1188
01:01:22,513 --> 01:01:24,140
Fire!
1189
01:01:25,893 --> 01:01:27,269
Fire!
1190
01:01:27,269 --> 01:01:30,480
They put a curtain of shells
over you and you advanced.
1191
01:01:31,773 --> 01:01:33,608
That was the theory, I think.
1192
01:01:33,608 --> 01:01:35,402
Fire! Fire!
1193
01:01:35,402 --> 01:01:38,322
I realised this was
the moment of the assault.
1194
01:01:38,322 --> 01:01:40,031
And then zero hour.
1195
01:01:40,031 --> 01:01:43,076
Somebody shouted, "There they go!"
BAGPIPES PLAY
1196
01:01:43,076 --> 01:01:45,746
To the left were the
London Scottish, running forward.
1197
01:01:45,746 --> 01:01:48,332
I gave the order of "up the ladders,
over the top".
1198
01:01:48,332 --> 01:01:50,543
WHISTLE BLOWS
1199
01:01:51,669 --> 01:01:54,672
And after this, you lived
in a world of noise,
1200
01:01:54,672 --> 01:01:56,633
simply noise for hours.
1201
01:02:00,136 --> 01:02:02,847
As soon as you get over the top,
fear has left you.
1202
01:02:02,847 --> 01:02:05,809
You didn't run, there was
no shouting nor cheering,
1203
01:02:05,809 --> 01:02:07,853
everybody was deadly quiet.
1204
01:02:07,853 --> 01:02:10,981
Just as I stepped into
no-man's-land, somebody was shot
1205
01:02:10,981 --> 01:02:14,192
through the head
and his skull was splintered.
1206
01:02:14,192 --> 01:02:16,945
It wasn't a good send-off,
I can assure you.
1207
01:02:16,945 --> 01:02:22,867
The barrage proceeded into the
enemy lines in steps of 100 yards
1208
01:02:22,867 --> 01:02:24,286
at a time.
1209
01:02:24,286 --> 01:02:26,788
Fire!
1210
01:02:26,788 --> 01:02:29,750
The line of British troops, fixed
bayonets, walking quite steadily
1211
01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:31,543
behind the barrage.
1212
01:02:31,543 --> 01:02:33,337
It is a sight I shall never forget.
1213
01:02:33,337 --> 01:02:36,424
To start with, we'd had
the odd machinegun firing,
1214
01:02:36,424 --> 01:02:40,094
but remarkably little, and it seemed
almost too good to be true.
1215
01:02:40,094 --> 01:02:44,223
We then realised the Germans
had been containing their fire
1216
01:02:44,223 --> 01:02:47,184
until they saw
how far the attack was developing.
1217
01:02:47,184 --> 01:02:50,939
Unknown to us, there was
10 to 20 German machine guns.
1218
01:02:50,939 --> 01:02:53,232
Then all hell broke loose.
1219
01:02:53,232 --> 01:02:56,527
And, my God, he really
opened up and he let us have it.
1220
01:02:56,527 --> 01:02:58,154
It just swept us.
1221
01:02:58,154 --> 01:03:00,156
MACHINE-GUNFIRE
1222
01:03:00,156 --> 01:03:02,200
MEN SHOUT
1223
01:03:04,119 --> 01:03:05,913
Keep moving, laddie!
1224
01:03:10,876 --> 01:03:13,753
MEN SCREAM AND SHOUT
1225
01:03:15,589 --> 01:03:18,925
Machinegun bullets came
at us like hailstones.
1226
01:03:18,925 --> 01:03:22,096
I didn't realise that it was
swish, swish with bullets.
1227
01:03:22,096 --> 01:03:24,890
I looked round and people were
dropping all round you.
1228
01:03:24,890 --> 01:03:28,228
I mean, they just faded away
on either side of you.
1229
01:03:28,228 --> 01:03:31,897
And I thought, what are
they shooting at me for?
1230
01:03:31,897 --> 01:03:35,610
I hadn't gone more than a few yards
before I was shot in the thigh.
1231
01:03:35,610 --> 01:03:38,195
There was a captain alongside me
with his revolver out
1232
01:03:38,195 --> 01:03:39,948
and, all of a sudden, he dropped.
1233
01:03:39,948 --> 01:03:42,158
And then another chap,
he was hit in the leg,
1234
01:03:42,158 --> 01:03:46,997
but he continued with great bounds,
hopping on one leg.
1235
01:03:46,997 --> 01:03:50,250
When the bullets hit the tank,
the metal flakes were whirling
1236
01:03:50,250 --> 01:03:52,586
around like razor blades
inside the tank.
1237
01:03:52,586 --> 01:03:55,213
You could see men dropping,
but you didn't take any notice.
1238
01:03:55,213 --> 01:03:57,424
If you didn't get hit,
you just carried on.
1239
01:03:57,424 --> 01:04:00,052
I suddenly found myself with
a terrible pain in my left hand
1240
01:04:00,052 --> 01:04:03,138
as if someone had caned me,
and I found a big hole in it.
1241
01:04:03,138 --> 01:04:06,683
A man was running across the front
of me and he was shot to the body
1242
01:04:06,683 --> 01:04:11,314
because the contents of his wallet
were flung out forward of me.
1243
01:04:11,314 --> 01:04:13,732
I felt a terrific bang
on my right arm
1244
01:04:13,732 --> 01:04:16,777
and the blood started running
off the end of my hand.
1245
01:04:16,777 --> 01:04:19,197
I just didn't think that this
German machinegun would
1246
01:04:19,197 --> 01:04:21,532
trouble to even fire at me,
but the next thing I felt
1247
01:04:21,532 --> 01:04:25,370
a shock of quite a number of bullets
hitting the right side of my body.
1248
01:04:25,370 --> 01:04:29,291
A hare crossed my path
with eyes bulging in fear,
1249
01:04:29,291 --> 01:04:32,669
but I felt that it couldn't have
been half as frightened as I was.
1250
01:04:32,669 --> 01:04:35,255
You could see your mates
going down right and left,
1251
01:04:35,255 --> 01:04:38,049
and you were face-to-face
with the stark realisation
1252
01:04:38,049 --> 01:04:39,551
that this was the end of it.
1253
01:04:39,551 --> 01:04:42,805
The two in front of me went down
wounded in the head and chest.
1254
01:04:42,805 --> 01:04:45,558
Those bloody bullets got me
in the leg and blew a great big hole
1255
01:04:45,558 --> 01:04:48,644
in the back. It didn't hurt.
1256
01:04:48,644 --> 01:04:50,896
Life was very, very hazardous indeed
1257
01:04:50,896 --> 01:04:53,149
and we proceeded in this fashion,
some getting hit
1258
01:04:53,149 --> 01:04:54,650
and others carrying along.
1259
01:04:54,650 --> 01:04:56,819
You hadn't got time
to deliberate upon things.
1260
01:04:56,819 --> 01:04:59,488
Machinegun bullets might be
coming over, but they weren't
1261
01:04:59,488 --> 01:05:02,325
hitting you and you just go on.
1262
01:05:02,325 --> 01:05:05,453
They say your past comes up when you
think you're going to die,
1263
01:05:05,453 --> 01:05:08,206
but I hadn't got very much
past at 19.
1264
01:05:08,206 --> 01:05:10,583
And when I saw these bullets
coming along,
1265
01:05:10,583 --> 01:05:12,960
all I thought was -
am I going to live?
1266
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,172
Of course, if the thing hits
you fair and square
1267
01:05:15,172 --> 01:05:17,841
and you die immediately,
you don't feel anything at all,
1268
01:05:17,841 --> 01:05:19,759
nothing to it.
1269
01:05:19,759 --> 01:05:22,512
First wave were all
absolutely wiped out.
1270
01:05:22,512 --> 01:05:24,515
Everybody was either
killed or wounded.
1271
01:05:24,515 --> 01:05:27,100
There were so many dead laying
about, it was hard to avoid
1272
01:05:27,100 --> 01:05:28,477
treading on them.
1273
01:05:28,477 --> 01:05:31,188
I was trying to step over them
and the sergeant behind me said,
1274
01:05:31,188 --> 01:05:33,190
"Go on, you mustn't take
any notice of that,
1275
01:05:33,190 --> 01:05:34,900
"you keep going."
1276
01:05:34,900 --> 01:05:37,612
And we were literally
walking over the dead bodies
1277
01:05:37,612 --> 01:05:39,071
of our comrades.
1278
01:05:39,071 --> 01:05:42,408
The carnage is just indescribable.
1279
01:05:42,408 --> 01:05:45,536
I had in my path about 2,000 dead,
British and German.
1280
01:05:45,536 --> 01:05:49,207
An attempt to clear any dead man
from our path was impossible
1281
01:05:49,207 --> 01:05:53,127
because of the shelling
and we ploughed over the lot.
1282
01:05:53,127 --> 01:05:56,339
Any shell bursting within a few
yards of the tank
1283
01:05:56,339 --> 01:05:58,716
seemed to lift it up in the air
1284
01:05:58,716 --> 01:06:02,512
and you felt a tremendous
back pressure.
1285
01:06:02,512 --> 01:06:05,182
The noise of battle when you're out
in the middle of it
1286
01:06:05,182 --> 01:06:08,768
is so terrific that you don't
hear any individual shots even.
1287
01:06:08,768 --> 01:06:11,730
And we had to stop in front
of the German wire.
1288
01:06:11,730 --> 01:06:14,566
It was quite impossible to advance
any further because of the
1289
01:06:14,566 --> 01:06:17,236
barbed wire and the machinegun
posts, which were about
1290
01:06:17,236 --> 01:06:18,696
50 yards further on.
1291
01:06:18,696 --> 01:06:20,989
The wire in front of us
was quite uncut,
1292
01:06:20,989 --> 01:06:22,950
despite the intense bombardment.
1293
01:06:22,950 --> 01:06:24,952
You couldn't see anything
but this wire,
1294
01:06:24,952 --> 01:06:27,287
it seemed to be acres
and acres of it.
1295
01:06:27,287 --> 01:06:29,874
It was just black with rust.
1296
01:06:29,874 --> 01:06:32,502
I don't think a rabbit
could have got through it.
1297
01:06:32,502 --> 01:06:35,672
Then our own artillery started
dropping shells amongst us.
1298
01:06:39,092 --> 01:06:40,885
SCREAMING
1299
01:06:41,928 --> 01:06:44,430
Obviously they hadn't got
their range or they didn't know
1300
01:06:44,430 --> 01:06:46,516
where we were.
1301
01:06:46,516 --> 01:06:49,937
I heard the first
shrapnel shell burst above my head.
1302
01:06:49,937 --> 01:06:52,522
There was a terrific whiz,
that was the disappearance
1303
01:06:52,522 --> 01:06:54,482
of my steel helmet.
1304
01:06:54,482 --> 01:06:56,360
I never found it again.
1305
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,696
I got a bit off the cheek of
my backside, a piece in my hip,
1306
01:06:59,696 --> 01:07:03,033
a piece in my leg,
then a piece right through my leg.
1307
01:07:03,033 --> 01:07:05,661
The fellow to my left took
the full blast of the shell
1308
01:07:05,661 --> 01:07:08,080
and had half his head blown away.
1309
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:11,292
Bullets were catching us and
shrapnel was coming down overhead
1310
01:07:11,292 --> 01:07:14,504
and we had all the
German artillery banging away at us
1311
01:07:14,504 --> 01:07:16,422
and our own artillery going over.
1312
01:07:16,422 --> 01:07:18,298
The shells were exploding
all round you
1313
01:07:18,298 --> 01:07:21,052
and it was a real good old battle
and it got hold of you, sort of.
1314
01:07:21,052 --> 01:07:23,638
BAGPIPES PLAY
1315
01:07:23,638 --> 01:07:27,892
One had no sanity at all
because the inferno was so blasting
1316
01:07:27,892 --> 01:07:30,144
that you had no time to think.
1317
01:07:30,144 --> 01:07:35,316
That din, that numbing din seemed
to stop one doing the things
1318
01:07:35,316 --> 01:07:38,904
that one would normally do, no
matter how well-intentioned one was.
1319
01:07:40,488 --> 01:07:42,074
You don't look, you see.
1320
01:07:42,074 --> 01:07:43,742
You don't hear, you listen.
1321
01:07:43,742 --> 01:07:46,078
You taste the top of your mouth,
your nose is filled
1322
01:07:46,078 --> 01:07:47,829
with fumes and death.
1323
01:07:47,829 --> 01:07:51,167
The veneer of civilisation
has dropped away.
1324
01:07:51,167 --> 01:07:54,753
I was literally blown about 12 or 14
yards and all that I could hear
1325
01:07:54,753 --> 01:07:57,465
was the cries and screams
from the survivors,
1326
01:07:57,465 --> 01:08:00,092
sometimes in two,
sometimes in three parts.
1327
01:08:00,092 --> 01:08:02,803
Legs, arms all strewn
all over the place
1328
01:08:02,803 --> 01:08:05,431
and that arid smell of explosion.
1329
01:08:05,431 --> 01:08:10,269
Well, all my romantic ideas
of war completely vanished.
1330
01:08:10,269 --> 01:08:13,523
A shell had hit this man,
it knocked off his left arm,
1331
01:08:13,523 --> 01:08:15,233
knocked off his left leg,
1332
01:08:15,233 --> 01:08:17,652
his left eye was hanging
on his cheek
1333
01:08:17,652 --> 01:08:20,071
and he's calling out for Nanny.
1334
01:08:20,071 --> 01:08:22,282
His bleeding eye was
hanging on, pulsing.
1335
01:08:23,825 --> 01:08:25,661
So I shot him.
1336
01:08:25,661 --> 01:08:28,330
I had to, I had to shoot him.
1337
01:08:28,330 --> 01:08:32,542
He'd have died in any case
and it put him out of his misery.
1338
01:08:32,542 --> 01:08:34,211
HE SOBS: It hurt me.
1339
01:08:36,505 --> 01:08:38,465
I knew there was no hope
of getting any orders
1340
01:08:38,465 --> 01:08:40,676
because there was
nobody to give any.
1341
01:08:40,676 --> 01:08:44,305
All officers was killed
and wounded, and most of the NCOs.
1342
01:08:44,305 --> 01:08:46,015
I jumped into this big shell hole.
1343
01:08:46,015 --> 01:08:48,892
You dropped down anywhere,
shell holes, anywhere at all
1344
01:08:48,892 --> 01:08:52,188
just to take cover
until the barrage lifted.
1345
01:08:52,188 --> 01:08:55,233
I'm not one of those heroes who want
to take the German army on my own,
1346
01:08:55,233 --> 01:08:57,819
so I went to work
and I got down behind the lip
1347
01:08:57,819 --> 01:08:59,904
of a big shell hole.
1348
01:08:59,904 --> 01:09:02,949
Fortunately, I was able
to drop into a shell hole.
1349
01:09:02,949 --> 01:09:05,702
Used to call them shell hole
droppers, they would drop down
1350
01:09:05,702 --> 01:09:07,286
into a shell hole
1351
01:09:07,286 --> 01:09:10,373
because of the barrage
and seeing a few men killed.
1352
01:09:10,373 --> 01:09:12,543
It's a pity they didn't all drop
into shell holes.
1353
01:09:12,543 --> 01:09:14,961
Before the barrage lifted,
they were dead.
1354
01:09:14,961 --> 01:09:16,463
SCREAMING
1355
01:09:16,463 --> 01:09:19,633
And the bullets were hitting the
back of the shell hole where I was.
1356
01:09:19,633 --> 01:09:21,093
It was raining bullets.
1357
01:09:21,093 --> 01:09:22,845
I don't know how I got missed.
1358
01:09:22,845 --> 01:09:26,390
From behind the lip of this shell
hole, the dirt was spraying down
1359
01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:28,059
the back of my neck.
1360
01:09:28,059 --> 01:09:30,727
There were three chaps in the
shell hole and one of them said,
1361
01:09:30,727 --> 01:09:32,729
"They're firing
into a bloody shell hole."
1362
01:09:32,729 --> 01:09:35,691
We looked round to see the bullets
go right through his head.
1363
01:09:35,691 --> 01:09:37,151
So that was the end of that.
1364
01:09:37,151 --> 01:09:40,696
A sergeant came down into the
shell hole on top of us
1365
01:09:40,696 --> 01:09:42,615
and he was dead, he got it
through the neck.
1366
01:09:42,615 --> 01:09:45,535
Anyway, he had a lovely pair of
field glasses round his neck
1367
01:09:45,535 --> 01:09:48,205
and I nabbed them. Because things
were so scarce,
1368
01:09:48,205 --> 01:09:51,082
if there was anything like that,
you'd collar it.
1369
01:09:51,082 --> 01:09:55,420
Jerry slapped shell after shell
into us until one shell penetrated
1370
01:09:55,420 --> 01:09:57,297
the forward part of the tank.
1371
01:09:57,297 --> 01:09:59,758
What happened then,
I cannot tell you but I believe
1372
01:09:59,758 --> 01:10:01,552
there was an explosion.
1373
01:10:01,552 --> 01:10:04,638
These were fully trained soldiers,
we always had the rifles loaded,
1374
01:10:04,638 --> 01:10:07,182
but we stuck in the
extra five rounds to make it
1375
01:10:07,182 --> 01:10:08,976
a ten for rapid-fire.
1376
01:10:08,976 --> 01:10:12,229
The Germans got up in their
own trenches and fired at us.
1377
01:10:12,229 --> 01:10:16,066
In my opinion, they were very brave,
very brave men indeed.
1378
01:10:16,066 --> 01:10:19,737
There was a German standing up
on his parapet and flinging bombs.
1379
01:10:19,737 --> 01:10:21,655
So I shot him.
1380
01:10:21,655 --> 01:10:24,742
They officer gave us orders,
"Open immediate rapid-fire."
1381
01:10:24,742 --> 01:10:28,704
We all opened up as fast as we could
go and continually fired.
1382
01:10:28,704 --> 01:10:31,041
It was a real mad minute,
I'll tell you.
1383
01:10:31,041 --> 01:10:33,334
They stood up and I was picking
the Germans off
1384
01:10:33,334 --> 01:10:35,545
because I was a sniper.
1385
01:10:35,545 --> 01:10:38,423
I was trying to pick a shot
and something hit me
1386
01:10:38,423 --> 01:10:41,050
between the eyes
like a sledgehammer.
1387
01:10:41,050 --> 01:10:42,719
I dissolved into unconsciousness
1388
01:10:42,719 --> 01:10:45,680
with no pain, but with
millions of golden stars
1389
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:47,724
in a dark blue heaven.
1390
01:10:47,724 --> 01:10:49,851
After I'd used up a whole lot
of bullets,
1391
01:10:49,851 --> 01:10:52,396
I got down,
I says, "You have a go, Bill."
1392
01:10:52,396 --> 01:10:55,983
He didn't even fire a shot,
he was killed immediately.
1393
01:10:55,983 --> 01:10:57,610
That's how things were.
1394
01:10:57,610 --> 01:11:00,279
You felt aggrieved,
it was a pal of yours.
1395
01:11:00,279 --> 01:11:05,034
But you took it casually because I
suppose you become battle hardened.
1396
01:11:05,034 --> 01:11:08,245
We kept up rapid-fire there
as long as our rifles would work.
1397
01:11:08,245 --> 01:11:09,997
They got too hot to fire any more.
1398
01:11:09,997 --> 01:11:12,416
Fat was pouring out
the woodwork of the rifles,
1399
01:11:12,416 --> 01:11:14,711
the muzzles were
beginning to extend.
1400
01:11:14,711 --> 01:11:17,297
Then we got an order
from the captain, we must make
1401
01:11:17,297 --> 01:11:21,717
a barricade of the dead,
the German dead and our own dead.
1402
01:11:21,717 --> 01:11:25,138
My captain, at that time, was
anxious to go on and keep it up,
1403
01:11:25,138 --> 01:11:27,432
but I'm afraid he died.
1404
01:11:27,432 --> 01:11:29,684
I had three men loading up
these rifles with me
1405
01:11:29,684 --> 01:11:31,270
and I peppered the whole line.
1406
01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:35,399
And judging by the shouts and
screams, I took a very good toll.
1407
01:11:35,399 --> 01:11:38,860
There was machinegun spraying
on the lip of our shell hole.
1408
01:11:38,860 --> 01:11:41,197
I waited until
the belt of that gun had fired
1409
01:11:41,197 --> 01:11:43,574
and immediately carried on
the advance.
1410
01:11:43,574 --> 01:11:47,035
The sergeant said, "Follow me."
1411
01:11:47,035 --> 01:11:48,913
I managed to crawl under the wire -
1412
01:11:48,913 --> 01:11:51,791
a lot of us got through in
that way - and gathered together
1413
01:11:51,791 --> 01:11:54,085
on the German side of the wire.
1414
01:11:54,085 --> 01:11:56,963
All the shells screamed
over our heads onto the German posts
1415
01:11:56,963 --> 01:11:58,422
and then suddenly stopped.
1416
01:11:58,422 --> 01:12:00,842
"Come on, lads, give them hell,"
and we just got up
1417
01:12:00,842 --> 01:12:02,677
and rushed forward.
1418
01:12:02,677 --> 01:12:05,471
In the bayonet charge,
the majority of us always
1419
01:12:05,471 --> 01:12:08,641
had a round up the spout,
besides the magazine.
1420
01:12:08,641 --> 01:12:11,311
There was a feeling of exultation
that with a rifle, bayonet
1421
01:12:11,311 --> 01:12:14,106
and a couple of Mills bombs in your
pocket, we were going to be able
1422
01:12:14,106 --> 01:12:16,859
to get stuck into the bastards
that had been killing our mates.
1423
01:12:16,859 --> 01:12:19,444
And we went like hell,
straight into the Germans.
1424
01:12:20,529 --> 01:12:23,407
SCREAMING AND RAPID GUNFIRE
1425
01:12:27,994 --> 01:12:30,706
And we fired at anything that moved.
1426
01:12:30,706 --> 01:12:32,916
I dropped down on my knees
and the sergeant fired
1427
01:12:32,916 --> 01:12:35,794
over my shoulder and hit the German.
1428
01:12:35,794 --> 01:12:38,005
He was on the ground but
still firing, so he went up
1429
01:12:38,005 --> 01:12:39,214
and killed him.
1430
01:12:39,214 --> 01:12:41,676
There was only one method
of bayonet fighting, that is to
1431
01:12:41,676 --> 01:12:43,928
shove your bayonet
in as hard as you could.
1432
01:12:43,928 --> 01:12:46,514
There was this German
on the floor of the trench,
1433
01:12:46,514 --> 01:12:48,057
and the poor bugger was dead scared.
1434
01:12:48,057 --> 01:12:50,519
So one of them wondered
whether to stick him or shoot him,
1435
01:12:50,519 --> 01:12:52,979
the German jumped out away
to my left, another one
1436
01:12:52,979 --> 01:12:55,566
on the right, so I pinned
this German down, then shot
1437
01:12:55,566 --> 01:12:58,944
the German on the left,
worked my bolt, put another one
1438
01:12:58,944 --> 01:13:02,030
up the spout, and shot the German
who was running away on the right.
1439
01:13:02,030 --> 01:13:04,825
Quite a number of Germans
came in a rush and we shot them,
1440
01:13:04,825 --> 01:13:06,368
one by one.
1441
01:13:06,368 --> 01:13:07,953
We probably killed the lot.
1442
01:13:07,953 --> 01:13:12,374
Some chap said, "Poor old Dick got
it," and I looked around and saw him
1443
01:13:12,374 --> 01:13:14,626
lying with the top of his head off.
1444
01:13:14,626 --> 01:13:17,964
On their right flank came a German
with a canister on his back,
1445
01:13:17,964 --> 01:13:20,549
squirting this
liquid fire out of the hose.
1446
01:13:20,549 --> 01:13:23,552
I looked towards jets of flame
coming across the trench.
1447
01:13:23,552 --> 01:13:25,304
We'd never heard of flame-throwers.
1448
01:13:25,304 --> 01:13:27,097
Burnt 23 of our chaps to death.
1449
01:13:27,097 --> 01:13:29,600
I plonked one into his chest,
but it didn't stop him,
1450
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,312
he must have had an
armour-plated waistcoat on.
1451
01:13:32,312 --> 01:13:35,315
I got a bang in the arm
and found I was bleeding.
1452
01:13:35,315 --> 01:13:37,525
But I could bomb
pretty well with my left arm
1453
01:13:37,525 --> 01:13:39,403
as I could with my right.
1454
01:13:39,403 --> 01:13:42,030
Somebody threw a Mills bomb,
and it burst behind him,
1455
01:13:42,030 --> 01:13:44,407
and he wasn't armour-plated
behind him, he went down.
1456
01:13:44,407 --> 01:13:46,785
One German came
running out of this trench,
1457
01:13:46,785 --> 01:13:49,747
screaming his head off,
he nearly knocked me over.
1458
01:13:49,747 --> 01:13:52,332
Three Germans came out
with their hands up,
1459
01:13:52,332 --> 01:13:54,668
and they were young chaps
about our own age,
1460
01:13:54,668 --> 01:13:56,628
about 19 or 20.
1461
01:13:56,628 --> 01:14:00,007
If Jerries came up with their
hands up, we just waved them on,
1462
01:14:00,007 --> 01:14:02,760
we didn't fire at them, obviously.
1463
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,262
Prisoners were a nuisance!
1464
01:14:05,262 --> 01:14:07,556
We were shooing them back,
you know, get rid of them.
1465
01:14:07,556 --> 01:14:11,560
The only Germans we were really
fighting were the machine gunners.
1466
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:13,729
They were firing belt
after belt after us,
1467
01:14:13,729 --> 01:14:15,315
and they never stopped firing.
1468
01:14:15,315 --> 01:14:18,276
The bloody cartridge cases
were piled up in a heap.
1469
01:14:18,276 --> 01:14:20,737
They'd got all their
best men on machine guns,
1470
01:14:20,737 --> 01:14:22,280
and they fought to the death.
1471
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:25,157
The cog opened, and there
was three Jerries there in front
1472
01:14:25,157 --> 01:14:27,369
of the machinegun,
and of course the bloody gun
1473
01:14:27,369 --> 01:14:31,748
was pointing at me, and I just swung
the Lewis gun, I opened fire first.
1474
01:14:32,916 --> 01:14:34,626
It was split-second stuff.
1475
01:14:34,626 --> 01:14:37,045
Thankfully, I moved on.
1476
01:14:37,045 --> 01:14:39,923
As the war progressed,
it was inevitable that we developed
1477
01:14:39,923 --> 01:14:42,760
the animal characteristic
of killing.
1478
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:44,929
Well, we've got some
young Lincolnshire lads,
1479
01:14:44,929 --> 01:14:46,346
you know, the 18-year-olds.
1480
01:14:46,346 --> 01:14:48,599
The machine gunners
were putting their hands up -
1481
01:14:48,599 --> 01:14:50,475
it didn't make any difference.
1482
01:14:50,475 --> 01:14:51,686
They were killed.
1483
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:56,023
And I'm afraid there was
a little bit of slaughter going on,
1484
01:14:56,023 --> 01:14:58,401
until we got in some sort of order.
1485
01:14:58,401 --> 01:15:02,613
Everybody was screaming,
laying down, moaning and groaning,
1486
01:15:02,613 --> 01:15:05,741
and eventually there was silence.
1487
01:15:05,741 --> 01:15:08,286
I found a German officer
with his lung hanging out.
1488
01:15:08,286 --> 01:15:10,538
He was still alive,
but he wasn't conscious.
1489
01:15:10,538 --> 01:15:14,709
You could see his lung was expanding
and contracting as he was breathing.
1490
01:15:14,709 --> 01:15:17,754
It was the nearest I ever came
to shooting a man point-blank,
1491
01:15:17,754 --> 01:15:20,173
but we had to go on.
1492
01:15:20,173 --> 01:15:22,676
One dead German leaning
against a shell wall,
1493
01:15:22,676 --> 01:15:25,596
he was a handsome bloke,
he reminded me of my father.
1494
01:15:25,596 --> 01:15:30,350
A shell had dissected him nicely,
it had taken the whole of the front
1495
01:15:30,350 --> 01:15:34,313
of his chest down to his stomach,
neatly cut aside.
1496
01:15:34,313 --> 01:15:37,399
What a fantastic exhibition
of anatomy.
1497
01:15:39,526 --> 01:15:42,571
The real shooting was over
in about ten minutes.
1498
01:15:42,571 --> 01:15:46,575
There was about 100 of us coming
out, instead of 600 who'd gone over,
1499
01:15:46,575 --> 01:15:48,619
and a band came to meet us.
1500
01:15:48,619 --> 01:15:50,496
It was a wonderful feeling.
1501
01:15:50,496 --> 01:15:51,957
"I've been in a battle!
1502
01:15:51,957 --> 01:15:55,210
"And I'm so very proud about it."
1503
01:15:55,210 --> 01:15:56,669
Hang on.
1504
01:15:59,006 --> 01:16:00,590
You got it? Yeah.
1505
01:16:00,590 --> 01:16:02,968
And if you'd anybody
wounded or killed...
1506
01:16:02,968 --> 01:16:04,678
FLIES BUZZ
1507
01:16:04,678 --> 01:16:08,473
..if you didn't get them out
straight away, they went down
1508
01:16:08,473 --> 01:16:11,852
in the soil and disappeared,
it was so bad.
1509
01:16:11,852 --> 01:16:13,354
That's it.
1510
01:16:14,813 --> 01:16:19,485
Well, you had to ascertain
whether a man was alive or not.
1511
01:16:19,485 --> 01:16:24,824
If he was dead, then he
was no trouble - medically.
1512
01:16:24,824 --> 01:16:26,784
I can't put that any clearer!
1513
01:16:27,868 --> 01:16:29,537
Keep him level.
1514
01:16:30,913 --> 01:16:32,540
Give me some room!
1515
01:16:32,540 --> 01:16:35,585
I felt some pain, I suppose
about an hour later.
1516
01:16:35,585 --> 01:16:39,380
I'd got these thigh boots on,
and the bullet had gone in sideways,
1517
01:16:39,380 --> 01:16:43,093
all the way down the leg, in, out,
in, out, and hit the ankle bone
1518
01:16:43,093 --> 01:16:44,594
and turned upside down.
1519
01:16:46,512 --> 01:16:49,016
Oh, God!
1520
01:16:49,016 --> 01:16:50,350
Jesus!
1521
01:16:52,060 --> 01:16:55,397
The Sergeant Major brought me
a dixie of hot tea,
1522
01:16:55,397 --> 01:16:59,151
which was just what I needed,
it went down beautifully.
1523
01:16:59,151 --> 01:17:02,238
And casualties started coming back,
walking casualties,
1524
01:17:02,238 --> 01:17:05,824
men with their arms smashed up,
legs trawling, and they got back
1525
01:17:05,824 --> 01:17:08,452
to different dressing stations
the best way they could.
1526
01:17:08,452 --> 01:17:11,121
The walking wounded, they were
coming down in droves.
1527
01:17:11,121 --> 01:17:14,166
Some were holding one another,
and some were walking on their own,
1528
01:17:14,166 --> 01:17:16,794
a light wound in the hand or arm,
but some were hobbling along,
1529
01:17:16,794 --> 01:17:18,796
and some were looking
quite cheerful as
1530
01:17:18,796 --> 01:17:20,840
they'd been free of something.
1531
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:22,216
Hello, Mum!
1532
01:17:23,635 --> 01:17:26,012
My officer had said,
"Are you all right, Kane?"
1533
01:17:26,012 --> 01:17:28,347
And I said, "Oh, yes,
sir, I can still walk."
1534
01:17:28,347 --> 01:17:31,810
And he said, "But you've been hit
in the back of the head."
1535
01:17:31,810 --> 01:17:34,771
And he handed me
quite a dose of rum.
1536
01:17:36,940 --> 01:17:42,029
The worst cases were those
who were shot through the chest.
1537
01:17:42,029 --> 01:17:45,324
Well, the difficulty of breathing,
you see, you only had
1538
01:17:45,324 --> 01:17:48,785
field dressings,
which every man carried.
1539
01:17:48,785 --> 01:17:50,787
Yeah, we'll have a better look
at it.
1540
01:17:50,787 --> 01:17:52,248
Who's waiting, boys?
1541
01:17:52,248 --> 01:17:55,000
You got a bottle of iodine
and they'd tip it in the hole.
1542
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,753
Oh, the pain was terrific.
1543
01:17:57,753 --> 01:17:59,130
Well done.
1544
01:18:01,966 --> 01:18:04,885
How about that for luck, chum?
Shot right through it.
1545
01:18:08,097 --> 01:18:12,310
I was not in very good shape at all,
and I was getting somewhere near
1546
01:18:12,310 --> 01:18:15,605
the end of my tether, I don't think
I could go on much longer.
1547
01:18:15,605 --> 01:18:20,068
Every soldier, I suppose,
had this breaking strain.
1548
01:18:23,363 --> 01:18:25,699
The medics will be waiting for you.
1549
01:18:25,699 --> 01:18:28,201
Well done, lads, well done.
1550
01:18:28,201 --> 01:18:29,995
That's it.
1551
01:18:29,995 --> 01:18:34,792
We had some remarkable doctors
who worked day and night
1552
01:18:34,792 --> 01:18:39,671
in various stations on the British
front, looking after the wounded.
1553
01:18:41,215 --> 01:18:42,633
Nice cup of Rosie Lee.
1554
01:18:42,633 --> 01:18:44,260
You all right, Jack?
1555
01:18:44,260 --> 01:18:48,222
They seemed never to need any sleep,
so what they hadn't got in numbers
1556
01:18:48,222 --> 01:18:50,183
they made up in effort.
1557
01:18:50,183 --> 01:18:52,059
We need a shell dressing.
1558
01:18:54,145 --> 01:18:58,107
Both my officers, all my sergeants
and three quarters of my men
1559
01:18:58,107 --> 01:19:00,443
were killed or wounded.
1560
01:19:00,443 --> 01:19:04,323
Their ranks were made up with lads
of 18 from England
1561
01:19:04,323 --> 01:19:06,575
who'd been pushed out of factories.
1562
01:19:06,575 --> 01:19:08,284
Easy, that's it.
1563
01:19:09,453 --> 01:19:10,954
BIRDS SQUAWK
1564
01:19:10,954 --> 01:19:13,081
Bloody birds! Get out of it!
1565
01:19:13,081 --> 01:19:14,500
Go on!
1566
01:19:15,709 --> 01:19:19,755
My mob were helping
the battalion to bury these...
1567
01:19:19,755 --> 01:19:23,592
..only little kids, they were,
17 or 18 years of age.
1568
01:19:23,592 --> 01:19:26,721
In sure and certain hope
of the resurrection to eternal life
1569
01:19:26,721 --> 01:19:28,514
through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1570
01:19:33,477 --> 01:19:36,147
A lot of those kids,
it was their first action,
1571
01:19:36,147 --> 01:19:38,399
and they never knew any more.
1572
01:19:38,399 --> 01:19:41,444
So we'd wrapped them up in blankets,
dug a little shallow grave
1573
01:19:41,444 --> 01:19:42,820
and put them in there.
1574
01:19:45,948 --> 01:19:49,035
I was putting a dressing on
a German, and he was very shaky
1575
01:19:49,035 --> 01:19:51,871
and fearful of what we were
going to do to him.
1576
01:19:51,871 --> 01:19:54,040
But they were more
frightened than we were.
1577
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:56,335
And we were frightened,
I don't mind telling you!
1578
01:19:56,335 --> 01:19:59,421
Mostly, they were just boys,
as we were.
1579
01:19:59,421 --> 01:20:02,466
They seemed glad to be captured,
they were out of it.
1580
01:20:02,466 --> 01:20:03,634
Is this yours?
1581
01:20:03,634 --> 01:20:05,844
Mein.
This is his. Ah, it's yours.
1582
01:20:05,844 --> 01:20:07,930
Put it in your pocket.
1583
01:20:07,930 --> 01:20:10,432
There was a little German fella,
I gave him a cigarette,
1584
01:20:10,432 --> 01:20:13,686
and he was terrified,
and I was very, very sorry for him,
1585
01:20:13,686 --> 01:20:16,063
really, you know.
He was only about 16.
1586
01:20:16,063 --> 01:20:18,775
And we had a chinwag,
and I just took his pocket watch,
1587
01:20:18,775 --> 01:20:20,401
you know, it was a normal thing.
1588
01:20:20,401 --> 01:20:22,028
We used to rob them, you see?
1589
01:20:22,028 --> 01:20:23,404
Right, let's go.
1590
01:20:24,447 --> 01:20:28,368
Yes, they were underfed,
and they were in very poor shape.
1591
01:20:28,368 --> 01:20:29,744
Come on, come on now, lads.
1592
01:20:29,744 --> 01:20:31,121
Pick him up. Come on!
1593
01:20:31,121 --> 01:20:33,915
And funnily enough, five or six
German prisoners came along,
1594
01:20:33,915 --> 01:20:37,210
and they helped carry me,
and I got another six watches,
1595
01:20:37,210 --> 01:20:40,214
because I robbed these fellas
who helped me down.
1596
01:20:40,214 --> 01:20:44,426
Every time we captured prisoners,
a number of German prisoners
1597
01:20:44,426 --> 01:20:47,012
would immediately
take up stretcher duty.
1598
01:20:47,012 --> 01:20:50,181
Now, I'm sure the Geneva Convention
never required them to do that.
1599
01:20:50,181 --> 01:20:51,559
There you go, lads.
1600
01:20:51,559 --> 01:20:53,352
I've got him. Steady.
1601
01:20:54,728 --> 01:20:56,063
You're all right, chum.
1602
01:20:56,063 --> 01:20:57,648
That's it. Keep going.
1603
01:20:57,648 --> 01:21:00,651
I took about
a dozen prisoners back with me,
1604
01:21:00,651 --> 01:21:03,237
they were all unarmed
and I just had my old gun.
1605
01:21:03,237 --> 01:21:06,574
In some cases, there were
a whole lot of Germans without even
1606
01:21:06,574 --> 01:21:08,826
a Tommy with them.
1607
01:21:08,826 --> 01:21:14,665
Oh, they were really cowed,
they were, yes, very subdued.
1608
01:21:16,709 --> 01:21:21,714
I slept next to a German man
who'd been wounded in the arm,
1609
01:21:21,714 --> 01:21:26,469
and to my amazement he started
talking to me in English.
1610
01:21:26,469 --> 01:21:28,847
And he said he'd been
a waiter at the Savoy.
1611
01:21:32,559 --> 01:21:36,355
I mean, I don't think the average
British soldier ever had
1612
01:21:36,355 --> 01:21:39,691
any deep feelings regarding revenge
against the German.
1613
01:21:39,691 --> 01:21:41,485
He admired him and respected him.
1614
01:21:42,653 --> 01:21:44,071
Go on, show him.
1615
01:21:44,071 --> 01:21:46,782
As the war went on,
I felt as much sympathy for them
1616
01:21:46,782 --> 01:21:48,701
as I did for myself.
1617
01:21:48,701 --> 01:21:51,245
The German I always thought
was a good fighter.
1618
01:21:51,245 --> 01:21:54,331
I'd sooner have him on my side
than on the opposite side.
1619
01:21:54,331 --> 01:21:57,293
I think some of the Germans thought
we ought to have been fighting
1620
01:21:57,293 --> 01:22:01,047
with them against the French
and the Russians, but none of them
1621
01:22:01,047 --> 01:22:02,924
thought we ought to be
fighting each other.
1622
01:22:02,924 --> 01:22:04,342
Keep on moving forward!
1623
01:22:04,342 --> 01:22:08,722
You see, the German
had been an unknown horde
1624
01:22:08,722 --> 01:22:11,349
with their coal-scuttle helmets,
and then we met them.
1625
01:22:11,349 --> 01:22:14,144
Well, the German soldier,
he was a very nice fellow as a rule.
1626
01:22:14,144 --> 01:22:16,521
You know, I think he was
really a barber or a shopkeeper
1627
01:22:16,521 --> 01:22:19,858
or something, and, the same as us,
he was stuck in uniform.
1628
01:22:19,858 --> 01:22:23,070
You're too tall.
Get you next time, Jerry!
1629
01:22:23,070 --> 01:22:25,781
We got on very well together,
actually, and they used to
1630
01:22:25,781 --> 01:22:27,116
mix in with us.
1631
01:22:27,116 --> 01:22:29,077
Want your hat back?
1632
01:22:29,077 --> 01:22:30,828
Here, give it him back!
1633
01:22:30,828 --> 01:22:33,789
They were decent,
sort of family people
1634
01:22:33,789 --> 01:22:36,876
and thought a great deal
of their children.
1635
01:22:38,586 --> 01:22:41,964
They didn't seem to bear
any malice against us.
1636
01:22:41,964 --> 01:22:44,509
They'd had to do what
they were told, like us.
1637
01:22:46,302 --> 01:22:48,387
Go on, go on tracking...
1638
01:22:48,387 --> 01:22:51,390
I couldn't speak German,
but some could, and the Germans,
1639
01:22:51,390 --> 01:22:53,101
some of them could speak English.
1640
01:22:53,101 --> 01:22:55,103
Anyhow, we could
understand each other.
1641
01:22:55,103 --> 01:22:58,023
The general agreement
when we were talking to Germans
1642
01:22:58,023 --> 01:23:02,569
was how useless war was
and why did it have to happen.
1643
01:23:05,364 --> 01:23:07,825
When you're passing bodies
all day long,
1644
01:23:07,825 --> 01:23:11,245
it's bound to have an effect
on whoever it is, isn't it?
1645
01:23:11,245 --> 01:23:13,330
This big fat German
was lying in a street...
1646
01:23:13,330 --> 01:23:14,540
FLIES BUZZ
1647
01:23:14,540 --> 01:23:17,001
..you know, his stomach
was all gassed up,
1648
01:23:17,001 --> 01:23:19,795
his intestines
lying out on his belly.
1649
01:23:19,795 --> 01:23:22,715
And somebody had stuck
a pipe in his mouth!
1650
01:23:22,715 --> 01:23:25,885
Yeah, we all told him to get up!
HE CHUCKLES
1651
01:23:27,303 --> 01:23:31,266
German troops were very brave
and very stubborn.
1652
01:23:31,266 --> 01:23:34,727
The Germans fought rearguard actions
almost back to the Rhine,
1653
01:23:34,727 --> 01:23:38,607
and regiment after regiment
was smashed up and cut about.
1654
01:23:38,607 --> 01:23:42,318
We had an idea that they were
beginning to crack.
1655
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:47,115
I would say that they were,
if anything, rather despondent.
1656
01:23:47,115 --> 01:23:48,992
They knew they had lost the war.
1657
01:23:48,992 --> 01:23:52,871
We, as front-line soldiers,
knew they were giving up.
1658
01:23:52,871 --> 01:23:57,417
Quite frankly, the Germans
were fed up with the whole thing.
1659
01:23:57,417 --> 01:24:01,338
And, gradually, that is how
the war itself came to an end.
1660
01:24:01,338 --> 01:24:04,508
I got the impression that most
of the German soldiers
1661
01:24:04,508 --> 01:24:08,679
couldn't care less who won
as long as the war finished.
1662
01:24:08,679 --> 01:24:11,182
Of course, that's what everybody
was thinking about then -
1663
01:24:11,182 --> 01:24:13,059
we'd had enough.
1664
01:24:13,059 --> 01:24:16,687
And after a time,
perhaps nobody cared.
1665
01:24:16,687 --> 01:24:18,523
All right, boys, here it comes.
1666
01:24:18,523 --> 01:24:20,108
We're in the pictures!
1667
01:24:21,234 --> 01:24:23,861
There was a fella in
the war called Rumour,
1668
01:24:23,861 --> 01:24:26,948
he knows everything, you see,
and Mr Rumour told us
1669
01:24:26,948 --> 01:24:30,452
that the Germans were also
negotiating for an Armistice.
1670
01:24:30,452 --> 01:24:32,496
There was a huge poster,
1671
01:24:32,496 --> 01:24:37,418
"All hostilities will cease
on the Western Front at 11 o'clock
1672
01:24:37,418 --> 01:24:40,546
"on the 11th of November 1918."
1673
01:24:40,546 --> 01:24:42,923
So we said to each other,
"What day is it?"
1674
01:24:42,923 --> 01:24:47,386
And somebody discovered
it was November the 11th!
1675
01:24:47,386 --> 01:24:50,682
And then we had to shine our boots,
clean our buttons,
1676
01:24:50,682 --> 01:24:53,350
we knew the war was over then,
and we were quite confident
1677
01:24:53,350 --> 01:24:55,770
that we would be
there when it ended.
1678
01:24:55,770 --> 01:25:00,191
This proclamation was read out,
stating that the hostilities
1679
01:25:00,191 --> 01:25:03,861
would cease from 11 that morning,
and actually there wasn't
1680
01:25:03,861 --> 01:25:07,157
a cheer of any kind
raised when that was read out.
1681
01:25:07,157 --> 01:25:11,536
At 11 o'clock, the noise
of the gunfire just rolled away,
1682
01:25:11,536 --> 01:25:13,830
like a peal of thunder,
in the distance.
1683
01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:17,209
SHELLFIRE AND GUNFIRE FADES OUT
1684
01:25:21,922 --> 01:25:25,008
BIRDSONG, SOLDIERS CHATTER
1685
01:25:26,093 --> 01:25:27,803
Never heard it being quiet.
1686
01:25:27,803 --> 01:25:30,723
Now it was dead silent.
1687
01:25:30,723 --> 01:25:33,851
You were so dazed that you could
stand up straight and not be shot.
1688
01:25:33,851 --> 01:25:35,352
It was eerie.
1689
01:25:37,271 --> 01:25:39,982
There was a feeling
of relief and gladness,
1690
01:25:39,982 --> 01:25:42,610
I suppose, but no celebration.
1691
01:25:42,610 --> 01:25:45,529
The staff officer
shut his watch up and said,
1692
01:25:45,529 --> 01:25:48,282
"I wonder what we're
all going to do next."
1693
01:25:48,282 --> 01:25:51,912
There was no demonstration
of any kind, nobody said a word,
1694
01:25:51,912 --> 01:25:54,580
everybody just slumped away.
1695
01:25:54,580 --> 01:25:57,125
The only way we could
have celebrated as regards
1696
01:25:57,125 --> 01:26:00,628
to a liquid
would have been tea, that's all.
1697
01:26:00,628 --> 01:26:03,298
It was one of
the flattest moments of our lives.
1698
01:26:03,298 --> 01:26:05,634
We just couldn't comprehend it.
1699
01:26:07,344 --> 01:26:09,638
We had that sort of feeling
as though we'd been kicked
1700
01:26:09,638 --> 01:26:10,931
out of a job.
1701
01:26:10,931 --> 01:26:14,518
For some of us, it was practically
the only life we'd known.
1702
01:26:14,518 --> 01:26:16,687
What was one going to do next?
1703
01:26:16,687 --> 01:26:18,939
It was just like
being made redundant.
1704
01:26:18,939 --> 01:26:21,901
That was very much
the feeling of everyone.
1705
01:26:21,901 --> 01:26:25,195
We were thoroughly upset,
we'd all got no work to go to.
1706
01:26:25,195 --> 01:26:27,239
"I don't want to go back."
1707
01:26:27,239 --> 01:26:32,453
There was no cheering, no singing -
we were drained of all emotion.
1708
01:26:32,453 --> 01:26:37,125
We were too far gone,
too exhausted to enjoy it.
1709
01:26:37,125 --> 01:26:41,379
All things come to an end,
and even a drama can go on too long.
1710
01:26:41,379 --> 01:26:44,674
It didn't end with a whimper,
but something very much like one.
1711
01:27:01,024 --> 01:27:04,528
I was very happy to leave.
I'd had enough, you know?
1712
01:27:04,528 --> 01:27:08,156
After a time, it begins
to wear on one, you know?
1713
01:27:08,156 --> 01:27:11,035
"Thank goodness the bloody thing
is over," that was all.
1714
01:27:11,035 --> 01:27:13,329
But so far as I was concerned,
I was out of it,
1715
01:27:13,329 --> 01:27:15,415
and now the next step in life.
1716
01:27:15,415 --> 01:27:18,460
The first thing we did was
write home, say we were all right,
1717
01:27:18,460 --> 01:27:20,878
making sure we got the date
on the envelope right.
1718
01:27:20,878 --> 01:27:23,715
To someone like myself,
who was interested in nature,
1719
01:27:23,715 --> 01:27:26,467
after the horrors that man had
made of the battlefront,
1720
01:27:26,467 --> 01:27:30,513
I was immensely delighted to find
shell holes in which I picked
1721
01:27:30,513 --> 01:27:34,559
lilies of the valley and larkspur,
and I pursued Camberwell Beauties
1722
01:27:34,559 --> 01:27:38,396
and swallowtail butterflies
along the banks of the Aisne river.
1723
01:27:38,396 --> 01:27:40,274
We went to Boulogne.
1724
01:27:40,274 --> 01:27:42,401
By the way, we came
home with full pack,
1725
01:27:42,401 --> 01:27:45,112
the only thing we left
behind was the bullets,
1726
01:27:45,112 --> 01:27:46,989
we had to discard those.
1727
01:27:46,989 --> 01:27:48,782
But we still kept our rifle.
1728
01:27:48,782 --> 01:27:53,829
We went over to Folkestone,
and there were long trestle tables
1729
01:27:53,829 --> 01:27:57,291
with very kind ladies,
and they gave you a sausage roll
1730
01:27:57,291 --> 01:28:01,962
or a bun and a cup of tea,
and that was very welcome.
1731
01:28:01,962 --> 01:28:06,133
We entrained to Victoria,
and there we broke up.
1732
01:28:06,133 --> 01:28:09,178
We went to the barracks,
and we just dumped rifles,
1733
01:28:09,178 --> 01:28:11,931
bayonets and everything,
and there were a lot of suits
1734
01:28:11,931 --> 01:28:14,350
on display, hats, shoes.
1735
01:28:14,350 --> 01:28:16,978
You could tell her which one
you wanted, style and colour,
1736
01:28:16,978 --> 01:28:18,480
and they measured you.
1737
01:28:19,940 --> 01:28:23,318
I was horrified by what I saw
when I came back here
1738
01:28:23,318 --> 01:28:25,237
and when one tried to get a job.
1739
01:28:25,237 --> 01:28:27,530
There was mass unemployment,
and I thought,
1740
01:28:27,530 --> 01:28:29,158
"This isn't much of a life."
1741
01:28:29,158 --> 01:28:31,368
It was a most difficult thing
to realise you're of
1742
01:28:31,368 --> 01:28:32,787
no commercial value.
1743
01:28:32,787 --> 01:28:35,247
It was a shame, the way
ex-servicemen were treated.
1744
01:28:35,247 --> 01:28:36,623
You weren't wanted.
1745
01:28:36,623 --> 01:28:40,044
Some places said,
"No ex-servicemen need apply,"
1746
01:28:40,044 --> 01:28:42,755
and that was the sort of attitude
you were up against.
1747
01:28:42,755 --> 01:28:47,135
One of my pals was killed, and when
I went home, the very first thing
1748
01:28:47,135 --> 01:28:49,554
that I did was
go to his mother, who,
1749
01:28:49,554 --> 01:28:51,931
if she'd had a frying pan,
she'd have hit me.
1750
01:28:51,931 --> 01:28:54,434
Her son had been killed
and I'd come back alive.
1751
01:28:54,434 --> 01:28:56,269
She was very bitter.
1752
01:28:56,269 --> 01:28:59,398
The first night I came home,
I got into my old bed,
1753
01:28:59,398 --> 01:29:02,776
the first bed I'd laid
in since I joined the Army.
1754
01:29:02,776 --> 01:29:05,111
When mother brought my cup
of tea up in the morning,
1755
01:29:05,111 --> 01:29:07,280
she found me fast asleep
on the floor.
1756
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:09,199
People never talked about the war.
1757
01:29:09,199 --> 01:29:12,244
It was a thing that had
no conversational value at all.
1758
01:29:12,244 --> 01:29:15,122
Most people were
absolutely disinterested.
1759
01:29:15,122 --> 01:29:17,415
When I got home,
my father and my mother
1760
01:29:17,415 --> 01:29:20,002
didn't seem in the least
interested in what had happened,
1761
01:29:20,002 --> 01:29:22,087
they hadn't any conception
of what it was like.
1762
01:29:22,087 --> 01:29:23,255
SOLDIER WHISTLES TUNE
1763
01:29:23,255 --> 01:29:25,549
And there was no reason
why any one of us millions
1764
01:29:25,549 --> 01:29:27,844
should have been favoured
with a thank you very much
1765
01:29:27,844 --> 01:29:32,015
for having got a little bit muddy
and out of touch with good manners.
1766
01:29:32,015 --> 01:29:34,433
And on occasions when
I did talk about it,
1767
01:29:34,433 --> 01:29:38,188
my father would argue points of fact
that he couldn't possibly have known
1768
01:29:38,188 --> 01:29:40,106
about because he wasn't there.
1769
01:29:40,106 --> 01:29:42,942
Every soldier I've spoken
to experienced the same thing.
1770
01:29:42,942 --> 01:29:45,903
We were a race apart
from the civilians,
1771
01:29:45,903 --> 01:29:47,989
and you could speak
to your comrades,
1772
01:29:47,989 --> 01:29:50,825
and they understood,
but the civilians,
1773
01:29:50,825 --> 01:29:52,744
it was just a waste of time.
1774
01:29:52,744 --> 01:29:56,623
However nice and sympathetic
they were, attempts of
1775
01:29:56,623 --> 01:30:01,003
well-meaning people to sympathise
reflected the fact that they
1776
01:30:01,003 --> 01:30:03,171
didn't really understand at all.
1777
01:30:03,171 --> 01:30:07,092
I think the magnitude
was just beyond their comprehension,
1778
01:30:07,092 --> 01:30:11,305
they didn't understand that people
that you'd known and played football
1779
01:30:11,305 --> 01:30:13,850
with were just killed beside you.
1780
01:30:13,850 --> 01:30:17,603
My friend who enlisted with me,
and he just lay there like a sack
1781
01:30:17,603 --> 01:30:22,191
of rags until he went black,
before anybody troubled to bury him.
1782
01:30:22,191 --> 01:30:25,070
They knew that people came back
covered with mud and lice,
1783
01:30:25,070 --> 01:30:28,323
but they'd no idea of the strain
of sitting in a trench
1784
01:30:28,323 --> 01:30:31,784
and waiting for something
to drop on one's head.
1785
01:30:31,784 --> 01:30:34,371
You couldn't convey
the awful state of things,
1786
01:30:34,371 --> 01:30:37,832
the way you lived like animals
and behaved like animals.
1787
01:30:37,832 --> 01:30:43,046
People didn't seem to realise
what a terrible thing war was.
1788
01:30:43,046 --> 01:30:47,551
I think they felt that the war
was one continual cavalry charge.
1789
01:30:47,551 --> 01:30:50,471
They hadn't any conception -
how could they?
1790
01:30:50,471 --> 01:30:52,681
Well, it started off
in a reasonable manner,
1791
01:30:52,681 --> 01:30:55,435
it was people fighting
on horseback with swords,
1792
01:30:55,435 --> 01:30:57,728
but it developed
into something ghastly.
1793
01:30:57,728 --> 01:31:01,148
People don't realise the
potential of military equipment.
1794
01:31:01,148 --> 01:31:03,901
A man's life wasn't worth
anything at the end of the war.
1795
01:31:03,901 --> 01:31:06,237
We were none of us heroes,
you know - we didn't
1796
01:31:06,237 --> 01:31:09,323
like this business of
being killed at all.
1797
01:31:09,323 --> 01:31:11,242
When we were talking
amongst ourselves,
1798
01:31:11,242 --> 01:31:14,537
we used to say, "Christ, they won't
have any more wars like this."
1799
01:31:14,537 --> 01:31:16,164
How did we endure it?
1800
01:31:16,164 --> 01:31:19,125
The answer must be partly
the fear of fear,
1801
01:31:19,125 --> 01:31:21,378
the fear of being found afraid.
1802
01:31:21,378 --> 01:31:24,214
Another is belief in human beings,
your colleague,
1803
01:31:24,214 --> 01:31:26,841
and there's no letting people down.
1804
01:31:26,841 --> 01:31:30,970
There may be right on both sides,
but I think war is horrible.
1805
01:31:30,970 --> 01:31:34,015
Everything should be done
to avoid war.
1806
01:31:34,015 --> 01:31:37,018
I still can't see
the justification for it.
1807
01:31:37,018 --> 01:31:39,397
It was all really rather horrible.
1808
01:31:39,397 --> 01:31:42,024
I think history will decide,
in the end,
1809
01:31:42,024 --> 01:31:44,151
that it was not worthwhile.
1810
01:31:46,654 --> 01:31:50,450
The only thing that really did annoy
me was when I went back to work,
1811
01:31:50,450 --> 01:31:53,703
after I'd got demobilised,
I went down the stores,
1812
01:31:53,703 --> 01:31:56,915
and the bloke behind the counter
was a bloke who I knew.
1813
01:31:56,915 --> 01:31:59,000
He said, "Where have you been?
1814
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:00,669
"On nights?"
1815
01:32:01,305 --> 01:32:07,256
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