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You know, we're told to eat healthy,
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to sort of shop the perimeters
of the grocery stores,
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but I think what a lot
of people don't realize
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is… this also may be the riskiest areas.
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You know, when I look around,
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I probably see 10, 15 different items.
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The product's been contaminated,
or I sued companies on behalf of victims.
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[chuckles] I've litigated plenty of cases
of romaine lettuce.
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Cut fruit, you know, countless outbreaks.
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Cut cantaloupe.
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Strawberries.
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Caramel apples.
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Tomatoes. Onions. Cookie dough.
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The Similac infant formula.
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Lucky Charms.
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Chicken, you know, all these products
are likely contaminated.
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It starts to feel, though, like nothing
is safe, and you can't eat. Right?
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Yeah, I mean, you know, the industry,
they send us these mixed messages.
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They want us to buy their product,
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but they ultimately don't want
to be responsible… for what they produce.
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Until I show up.
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["On the Beautiful Blue Danube"
by Balfe, Emanuel & Kofsky plays]
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We have by far the safest food supply
in the entire world.
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[woman 1] The safest food supply
in the world.
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Let's remember one thing,
we have the safest food supply
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in the world right here in the US.
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[reporter 1] The FDA is investigating
a hepatitis A outbreak,
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possibly linked
to organic fresh strawberries.
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A multistate salmonella outbreak.
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Health experts believe it is linked
to some Jif peanut butter products.
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[reporter 2] The recalls come
after at least two infant deaths
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and several illnesses
were potentially tied to formula.
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[reporter 3] A variety of brands
of raw cake mix have infected 16 people,
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one of which
developed a type of kidney failure.
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[woman 2] We talk about our food supply
being the safest in the world,
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and I believe it is.
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[reporter 4] People reported getting sick,
being hospitalized for liver dysfunction,
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and even having their gallbladders removed
in some cases.
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[reporter 5]
One in four pieces of raw chicken
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is contaminated with salmonella.
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[reporter 6] The CDC announced
another E. coli outbreak
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is impacting romaine lettuce.
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We have the safest food supply
in the world.
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[reporter 7] Melons from a Colorado farm
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are contaminated
with what is called "listeria."
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[reporter 8] Every four minutes,
someone is rushed to the hospital
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because the food they ate made them sick.
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We must continue to have
the safest food supply in the world.
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Safest food in the world.
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[man 1] Safest food supply in the world.
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Safest food supply.
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[woman 3] Safest food supply in the world.
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[man 2] We have the best, most efficient,
safest food supply in the entire world.
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By golly, we need to keep it that way.
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["On the Beautiful Blue Danube"
by Balfe, Emanuel & Kofsky ends]
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[announcer] Now, live at 11 o'clock.
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The warning tonight from health officials
here in the Northwest.
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They say you should be on the lookout
for a life-threatening illness
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that's cropping up in our area.
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Forty-five people are…
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[Bill] I actually remember this
like it was yesterday.
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There was an E. coli outbreak
in the state of Washington
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linked to something unknown.
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[man] The whole problem started
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when a pediatric infectious-disease
specialist called me and said,
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"I've got 11 people who I've seen
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in about 30 hours with E. coli O157."
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I've never seen anything like this before.
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And that was a big red light for me
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that something bad was going on.
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[reporter 1] Seven new cases
of E. coli poisoning were confirmed…
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[reporter 2]
…E. coli patients remain hospitalized.
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[reporter 3] There are 21 kids
in Western Washington hospitals.
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Some experts say
it's all about to get worse.
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[John] We had no idea that it would be
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the largest foodborne outbreak
in the United States.
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[man] I had just transferred
from active duty.
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I was a nuclear engineer
on a submarine in the Navy.
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I had a wife.
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I had a nine-year-old son
and a 16-month-old son at the time.
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There had already been some news--
Some rumblings about an E. coli outbreak.
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But it didn't mean anything to me.
I never heard of E. coli.
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"What's the worst that could happen?"
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E. coli poisoning is a fairly new illness.
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Not much is known about why the bacteria
causes some people to get so sick.
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Mr. Kobayashi, can you tell us, uh,
the concern seems to be with secondary…
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[John] A big part of the outbreak
was explaining what E. coli O157 was.
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I felt like I was, uh, Tony Fauci
for a couple of weeks. [chuckles]
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The average incubation period for most,
uh, people is three to four days.
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The problem is that it can take up to
nine days before a person becomes ill.
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The mainstay of disease prevention,
uh, for this type of illness
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is thorough washing of hands,
uh, either when…
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E. coli is a general category of bacteria,
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and they're natural inhabitants
of everybody's intestines.
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There are
many, many different kinds of E. coli.
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Most don't do any harm at all.
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But there are certain ones,
like E. coli O157,
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that can make you real sick.
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[tense music plays]
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Within a couple of days,
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it became clear that it was linked
to Jack in the Box undercooked hamburgers.
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More than 150 people have become ill
after eating tainted hamburger meat
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at Jack in the Box restaurants
in Idaho and Washington State.
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One child has died.
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So one of the big problems
with E. coli O157
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is they produce
what's called a Shiga toxin.
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They get into the gut
and then start pumping out this toxin,
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and that toxin gets into the blood,
and that will kill blood cells,
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and then those lysed blood cells end up
causing organ failure,
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the kidneys to shut down.
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And that's how kids die.
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There are now more than 312 cases
in our state alone.
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And today there was another death.
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So when the Jack in the Box case hit,
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I was my fourth year out of law school.
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I was 34 years old.
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I got a phone call
from a former client of mine
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who had a friend whose daughter,
Brianne Kiner, was in the hospital.
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They asked me to go meet with them.
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She'd been hospitalized for, you know,
four and a half, five months by then.
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There's so many mechanical things going on
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and wires going into her
and tubes going into her.
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And I walked out of the room.
I was crying.
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Because it was just really difficult,
you know?
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It's difficult even today
to think about, you know,
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Brianne in that situation.
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You know, she was… she was so vulnerable.
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And she just ate a freakin' hamburger.
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[tense music continues]
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The board of directors of Jack in the Box
is ordering a full investigation
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into the deadly mistake.
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The investigators
and the health department,
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they were able to determine
that my kid got sick from this other kid
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at the daycare center.
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[reporter] Children's Hospital
is treating 18 children this evening,
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four of whom got E. coli
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not from hamburgers but from someone else,
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a secondary infection.
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[Darin] All of a sudden,
there were two new doctors that came in.
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They announced that they believed
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he had developed
what's called hemolytic uremic syndrome.
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Which essentially is,
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when it gets so bad,
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the E. coli basically was eating him away
from the inside.
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That it was one organ after another.
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I remember saving newspaper clippings,
thinking someday I'll be able to
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communicate with my son and tell him how…
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how brave he was
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and how proud I was of him.
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[reporter] I'd like to introduce
Vicki and Darin Detwiler,
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whose 16-month-old son remains
in critical condition
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at Tacoma's Mary Bridge Hospital.
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My question to you now is,
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what are you prepared to do
in regards to the tainted-meat problem?
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First of all, we've got to make it clear
to people who are providing fast food
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that they've got to do everything they can
to comply with our cooking regulations…
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[John] The regulation in the United States
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was that hamburger should be cooked
to at least 140 degrees.
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[thermometer beeping]
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In Washington State,
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we had changed that law
to 155 degrees because we noticed
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that many of the people with O157
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had eaten poorly cooked hamburger.
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[reporter] There's been lots
of attention on this story,
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but I think there is still some confusion.
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Was it undercooking or contaminated beef
that caused the problem?
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Barry, I think that some of that confusion
has been probably from industry statements
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trying to avoid some of the blame
for this. The answer is both.
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The company was not following
the procedure
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that was required
by the state of Washington,
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which the company said
they didn't know anything about.
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[reporter] Do you believe, in retrospect,
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that Jack in the Box chose not to pay
attention to certain things, like the law?
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No, I don't believe that at all.
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We would never
choose not to pay attention to the law.
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Why… why would a company choose
not to pay attention to the law?
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[Bill] During discovery, they dumped on me
about a million pages of documents.
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I am pretty confident that they thought
that I wouldn't go through them,
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but we started finding things
that were really interesting.
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An employee of Jack in the Box
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sent a letter in the suggestion box
to corporate headquarters saying,
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"Hey, we're undercooking our hamburgers,
and we're having customer complaints."
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And then you could see
the real paper trail.
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Not only did they receive
the new regulations
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from the state of Washington
for increased cook times
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but that they actually thought about it
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and made the decision
to essentially ignore it.
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[tense music continues, ends]
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Once I had that,
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I called up the lawyer for Jack in the Box
and said, you know, "You're done."
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Jack in the Box now admits
it misplaced a Washington State advisory
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directing that all hamburgers
must be cooked at 155 degrees.
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Jack in the Box
says it found the advisory when…
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As a parent, you try to protect your kids.
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And then something that's invisible
comes along that you don't know about,
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that you've never even heard of. [inhales]
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It's so devastating.
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Doctor says,
"You're gonna ask about second opinion
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and third opinion, but there's zero chance
of recovery at this point."
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That, uh, "There's been
so much organ damage,
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and we're not able
to get enough oxygen into him
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and that the amount of brain damage
at this point,
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keeping him on life support any longer
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would be… abusive."
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Um…
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"It's just…
it's not going to do anything."
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I asked them to take everything off
so I could hold him for a little while.
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And I actually had to get Dr. Crane
to come and… and check
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because somehow I kept thinking
that if I just held him close enough,
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that his heart would keep on beating
and that he'd keep on breathing.
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[sad music plays]
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[Marion] Four children died.
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I mean, can you imagine?
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They died from a hamburger
at Jack in the Box.
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If you're the parent of one of those kids,
this is beyond your comprehension.
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And I have to say
that E. coli O157 deaths are pretty awful.
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They're not nice deaths.
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[indistinct background chatter]
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[Darin] Jack in the Box lawyers met
with us and offered us a settlement
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that included essentially a gag order
that we could never talk about it.
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And I had already made the decision
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that there's no way I was gonna keep quiet
for the rest of my life
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about what was the cause
of my son's death.
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I couldn't handle the idea
of not doing anything,
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even if that meant
that I needed to change careers.
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I am a professor and assistant dean
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focused on regulatory affairs
of food and food industries…
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[off camera] I teach about food safety
and food policy as a professor.
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I teach grad students.
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I had to try to do something to prevent
others from being in the same situation.
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Good evening, everyone.
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It's the largest personal injury
settlement ever in our state.
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It looks like the parent company
for Jack in the Box restaurants
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will have to pay millions of dollars
for serving undercooked hamburgers.
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Settlement is expected to cost
Jack in the Box at least $10 million.
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$4.4 million.
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$15.6 million.
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We're very confident that, uh,
that money will be sufficient
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to care for Brianne over the course
of her life, however…
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[man] Bill Marler not only became
the most important attorney
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in terms of handling lawsuits
against the companies
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that are responsible for those outbreaks,
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but he's also become
a much larger advocate.
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I'm tired of visiting
with horribly sick kids
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who did not have to be sick
in the first place.
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I am outraged…
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He has become one of the dominant voices
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in food safety reform
in the United States,
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having started out
as a plaintiff's attorney.
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[interviewer] Specific to Jack in the Box,
how did the burgers get contaminated?
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[hesitates] So, we don't know exactly
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how the Jack in the Box hamburger
got contaminated,
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but, you know,
generally, we know how it happens.
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It's usually in the slaughter facility.
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It's, uh, nicking of a gut
of a cow during slaughter.
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But the whole meat industry was premised
on the fact that the slaughterhouses
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and the beef packers could essentially do
whatever they wanted to do.
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And it was up to consumers
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to cook the E. coli out of the product.
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If you buy a piece of steak,
that's a piece of meat from one animal.
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If there is E. coli, it's on the outside.
It's not in the middle.
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So searing the steak would help kill that.
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The problem is that
when you buy ground beef,
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you now take the outsides,
and they're part of the insides.
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Not only are you bringing
all the animals together
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and slaughtering them
in the same facility,
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now you're taking chunks
of multiple animals,
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and you're grinding them up
into one big mess.
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[Marion] Hamburger, sometimes,
is the result of mixing meat
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from as many as 400 animals.
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[chuckling] Kind of awful to think about.
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If one of those animals
has this toxic form of E. coli,
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you're in trouble.
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[Bill] In the aftermath
of Jack in the Box,
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you know,
people from USDA met with victims,
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and, you know, the Clinton Administration,
to their credit,
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brought in people
who were pretty activist.
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Mike?
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[Bill] You know, Mike Taylor being one.
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We intend to reduce
the risk of foodborne illness
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associated with the consumption
of meat and poultry products
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to the maximum extent possible.
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[assistant] Thank you.
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[Mike] The official policy of the USDA was
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that this is not the responsibility
of the regulatory system or the industry.
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Consumers are expected
to cook these products
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and make them safe themselves.
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The bottom line
is that raw meat contains bacteria.
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And proper cooking kills bacteria.
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[Mike] To mothers that lost children,
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to people whose families
had been harmed by this outbreak,
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that was, uh, a shocking
and highly unacceptable revelation.
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We simply had to take action immediately
to try to change the dynamic.
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And so I did make the decision
that we would declare
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O157:H7 to be an adulterant,
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and raw ground beef in the marketplace
would be deemed illegal,
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and USDA could take action
to remove it quickly from the market.
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That was a big game changer.
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It meant that it can't be in the meat.
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If it was in the meat,
you had to pull it off the marketplace.
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You know, the rates that you see today
are very minimal,
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and you rarely see an E. coli outbreak
involving ground beef,
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so it's a strong argument of just how much
those reforms had an impact.
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[Bill] Thirty years ago,
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all the work that I did
was E. coli cases linked to hamburger.
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[inhales] Today, that's zero.
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I mean, it's a success story.
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It used to be the biggest E. coli threat
was from hamburgers.
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So you'd think, "Okay, as long as
I don't eat hamburgers, I'm okay."
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And the CDC with a warning this afternoon
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about an E. coli outbreak
linked to baby spinach.
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[reporter 1]
Health officials are warning consumers
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to not eat
Josie's Organics organic baby spinach.
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[reporter 2] Several cases of E. coli
linked to organic power greens.
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[Christine] And now E. coli is
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by far, uh, caused by lettuce
more than ground beef.
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When you eat a hamburger,
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the most dangerous part of that
is not the burger.
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It's going to be the onion,
lettuce, and the tomatoes.
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You know, I've had bad potato salad
or something that was, you know…
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Just food poisoning
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was my idea
of what a foodborne illness is.
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[Candie] Stephanie came to me,
um, the morning we were leaving
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and just said, you know,
that she was feeling a little…
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Having some gas
and, you know, a little bit of diarrhea.
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But she just thought she was nervous,
and we didn't think anything of it at all.
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[Candie] One, two, three.
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[pilot] Ladies and gentlemen,
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let me be the first
to welcome you to Punta Cana.
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[Candie] When we got
to the Dominican Republic,
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and we were at the resort,
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she felt like she was feeling
a little bit better.
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She took a shower.
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But throughout the night, it progressed,
getting worse and worse,
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and that's when I realized
we needed to get some help.
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It was an absolute nightmare
of tests and doctors.
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They kept telling us, "She'll be better.
We'll give her these antibiotics."
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"She has this kind of bug.
She'll be back at the resort tomorrow."
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And then the next morning,
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when they let me go in to see her,
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she didn't recognize me.
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She was… she was pulling at her hair.
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[reporter speaking Spanish]
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I'm like, "She's having a seizure."
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Her kidneys had stopped functioning,
and she was having swelling of her brain.
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They made me leave,
and they all rushed in,
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and it was just like
from a bad… [chuckles, sniffles]
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A nightmare.
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Uh, the whole thing.
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The doctor pulled Candie aside
in a hallway
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and said, you know,
"You got to get her out of here."
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[indistinct chatter over radio]
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I immediately went home and contacted,
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you know, over a dozen,
uh, medevac, uh, operations
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and found one
that was gonna get her out immediately.
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[Candie] It was then that next morning
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that they found the Shiga toxins
in her system
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to be able to say
it was definitely from E. coli.
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They said, "She might not make it
through the night."
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"Get your son back from San Francisco."
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A priest was there within a couple hours
to give her last rites.
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[man] Stephanie's condition
rapidly deteriorated overnight
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in a very critical condition.
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I think she had
a few more hours to live, unfortunately.
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It is a very scary, uh, situation
where you have a perfectly healthy,
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athletic 17-year-old female
that goes on spring break,
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and 48 hours later, she's dying.
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[Scott] Stephanie had
an infectious disease doctor
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who had us, I mean,
basically, "Collect what you can."
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"Talk to all her friends."
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"Go through her bank statements
to find out what she ate."
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'Cause we're thinking whatever she--
This may play a role in saving her life.
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So we were thorough,
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thorough to find out everything,
you know, she ate
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over the, you know, previous week or two.
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Her friend who she ate at Panera with
sent us a snapshot…
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…of a sign.
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It wasn't until then that we put
two and two together. "Romaine lettuce?"
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[reporter 1] Dozens of people
have ended up in the hospital
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with possible cases of E. coli.
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[reporter 2] Ninety-eight people
from 22 different states,
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making this the biggest multistate
E. coli outbreak in at least 12 years.
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[reporter 3]
The affected region is Yuma, Arizona.
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-[bird cawing]
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[woman] Most of the lettuce
that we eat in the United States
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comes from two places.
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It comes from California's Central Valley,
and it comes from Yuma, Arizona.
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[Bill] The US is one of the top producers
and exporters of leafy greens.
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So that means that the lettuce grown
in Yuma and in Salinas
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is shipped all over the world.
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We're in a global food system
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where we're importing
and exporting food all over the place.
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So problems that occur here
can certainly be exported elsewhere.
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Bacteria don't care about borders.
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They don't care about import
and export restrictions.
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[woman] Consumers don't cook lettuce.
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There's no way to control that risk
in our kitchen. We eat it fresh.
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[Darin] So there's no kill step.
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You can clean it,
but you're still not truly killing.
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[Bill] And "organic" only means
that it uses less chemicals, pesticides.
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Organic simply doesn't mean pathogen-free.
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Explain how we get E. coli in greens.
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Right. So it's actually not
the lettuce's fault.
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-[Rachael] That's right. It really isn't.
-It's the livestock.
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[Lance] How we raise animals
can fuel the growth of these bugs.
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So if we crowd the animals together,
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and you have one that's carrying
a really bad pathogen like E. coli O157,
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then they can poop those bacteria out.
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And then,
the shit from the cattle washes off
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into the streams or into canals,
irrigation canals,
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and then those can be used
to water these plants.
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You have this distribution system
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for these pathogens
from animals to produce.
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[Marion] The regulation
of animal waste is minimal.
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We have laws on the books,
but they're not enforced.
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That is an American scandal.
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[tense music plays]
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[Bill] What got Stephanie sick was
romaine lettuce grown in Yuma, Arizona,
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specifically in the Wellton Canal area,
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which happens to run right past
the concentrated feedlots.
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Those are land-use issues that,
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I think, are the things that FDA, USDA,
the federal government, state governments,
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Environmental Protection Agency,
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all of those entities haven't kind of come
to grips with that yet.
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[Lance] There are 15 federal agencies
that in one form or another,
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are tasked with food safety regulation.
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[Bill] The USDA primarily deals with meat.
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They were at the helm
of the Jack in the Box E. coli case.
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And the FDA deals with leafy greens,
like romaine and spinach.
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[tense music ends]
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-[assistant] Go ahead.
-[woman] Nice to meet you.
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-Do you care which side? You pick.
-[woman] No. I don't.
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Okay, I'll sit over here.
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[grunts] Great.
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[interviewer] Okay, we ready?
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What falls under your jurisdiction?
What falls under your jurisdiction?
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Sure, I'll start.
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USDA regulates meat and poultry products,
egg products, and catfish.
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And the FDA regulates, uh,
all foods involved in interstate commerce
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that Sandy didn't mention,
so it's about 80% of the US food system.
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It's a large responsibility
and one that we take very seriously.
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The regulatory framework
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we have in the world
of food safety is pretty complicated.
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Let's say you have a beef taco
that's made in a restaurant.
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[knife clanging]
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So the beef,
well, that's a USDA-regulated food.
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Cheese and any of the pico de gallo
that's on top of that,
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those are FDA-regulated foods.
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All of the making of that taco,
well, that's happening in a restaurant
474
00:27:31,546 --> 00:27:33,715
that's regulated
by the local health department.
475
00:27:33,798 --> 00:27:36,426
So it's a really complicated process.
476
00:27:36,509 --> 00:27:38,386
There's lots of different fingers
477
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:42,265
that can be touching regulatory
on that taco.
478
00:27:44,851 --> 00:27:47,604
When there's a foodborne illness outbreak,
479
00:27:48,563 --> 00:27:52,776
no single agency is responsible.
480
00:27:53,777 --> 00:27:55,653
So there's a lot of finger-pointing.
481
00:27:56,446 --> 00:27:59,199
[interviewer]
Ms. Eskin, does the USDA do anything
482
00:27:59,282 --> 00:28:01,326
on these cattle operations
483
00:28:01,409 --> 00:28:05,246
to make sure animal waste
isn't getting into the irrigation water?
484
00:28:05,330 --> 00:28:11,169
We have no direct authority on any
of the production pieces of food animals…
485
00:28:11,252 --> 00:28:15,006
We are doing the best
that we can do with our authorities…
486
00:28:15,089 --> 00:28:17,717
We don't have that authority…
We do not have authority…
487
00:28:17,801 --> 00:28:19,844
Authority we have or don't have…
488
00:28:19,928 --> 00:28:22,180
[interviewer] Feels like a gap
in the system. Does it not?
489
00:28:22,722 --> 00:28:25,141
I think that's a question
you need to ask Congress…
490
00:28:25,225 --> 00:28:26,684
That's Congress's decision…
491
00:28:26,768 --> 00:28:29,896
The inspection process
has to be raised with Congress…
492
00:28:29,979 --> 00:28:31,105
It's not for us to say.
493
00:28:31,189 --> 00:28:34,025
It's really something
that has to come from Congress.
494
00:28:34,108 --> 00:28:36,611
[interviewer] To your response
that it's a question for Congress,
495
00:28:36,694 --> 00:28:40,740
would you support legislation
that gave USDA jurisdiction on the farm?
496
00:28:41,366 --> 00:28:44,994
I'm not in a position
to endorse legislation.
497
00:28:45,078 --> 00:28:48,748
As the regulatory body,
that's not our lane.
498
00:28:50,500 --> 00:28:54,879
[interviewer] Mr. Yiannas, what is
the FDA doing to solve the problem,
499
00:28:54,963 --> 00:28:56,965
and should consumers be satisfied?
500
00:28:57,048 --> 00:29:01,344
We believe that the FDA,
as well as the entire food industry,
501
00:29:01,427 --> 00:29:04,430
the fresh leafy green industry,
can and must do more.
502
00:29:04,514 --> 00:29:05,765
Let me stress, must do more.
503
00:29:05,849 --> 00:29:07,767
Growers have a responsibility,
504
00:29:07,851 --> 00:29:11,521
the primary responsibility
to understand whether their products
505
00:29:11,604 --> 00:29:15,316
can be contaminated
and take measures to mitigate those risks.
506
00:29:18,778 --> 00:29:22,532
[Tim] My name is Tim York. T-I-M Y-O-R-K
507
00:29:23,324 --> 00:29:25,743
[interviewer]
How should I title you for your position?
508
00:29:25,827 --> 00:29:27,078
Uh, CEO.
509
00:29:27,161 --> 00:29:28,496
-[interviewer] Of?
-LGMA.
510
00:29:28,997 --> 00:29:32,625
LGMA stands for
Leafy Greens Marketing Agreement.
511
00:29:32,709 --> 00:29:39,549
We were started in 2007 to, uh,
ensure safety in lettuce and leafy greens.
512
00:29:39,632 --> 00:29:42,385
[interviewer] What are some of
the more recognizable handlers
513
00:29:42,468 --> 00:29:45,221
that are part of the LGMA
that we might know?
514
00:29:45,305 --> 00:29:49,684
Members of LGMA
would include Dole, Fresh Express,
515
00:29:49,767 --> 00:29:53,605
Ready Pac, Taylor Farms, uh, Organic Girl.
516
00:29:53,688 --> 00:29:57,901
Those are all names you probably see
on the retail shelf of packaged salads.
517
00:30:01,821 --> 00:30:03,656
[Sarah]
The Leafy Greens Marketing Agreements
518
00:30:03,740 --> 00:30:06,910
were formed in response
to the 2006 spinach outbreak.
519
00:30:07,535 --> 00:30:08,953
[suspenseful music plays]
520
00:30:09,037 --> 00:30:10,788
Feds have a new warning about spinach.
521
00:30:10,872 --> 00:30:15,001
They want you to stay away from
all spinach, not just the bagged produce.
522
00:30:15,084 --> 00:30:18,212
We're talking about hundreds of bags
of raw spinach out here.
523
00:30:18,296 --> 00:30:22,258
Now, no one is eating raw spinach,
and all of it is going in the garbage.
524
00:30:24,177 --> 00:30:27,388
[reporter] This is
the same deadly strain of E. coli
525
00:30:27,472 --> 00:30:29,849
that we saw
in the Jack in the Box outbreak.
526
00:30:31,768 --> 00:30:34,062
[Timothy] The industry was terrorized.
527
00:30:34,812 --> 00:30:38,441
They worried that if this were to occur
again and again and again,
528
00:30:38,524 --> 00:30:41,069
if they didn't get to the bottom
of this problem,
529
00:30:41,819 --> 00:30:45,573
that it would essentially destroy
the California leafy greens industry.
530
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,910
The spinach outbreak of 2006
531
00:30:48,993 --> 00:30:53,706
was a watershed moment for the industry
because that was really the first time
532
00:30:54,457 --> 00:30:59,087
that we were aware
of how our practices affected people.
533
00:31:04,884 --> 00:31:06,552
How do pathogens move?
534
00:31:07,553 --> 00:31:09,389
We look at a number of things.
535
00:31:10,974 --> 00:31:12,684
One of them being water.
536
00:31:15,478 --> 00:31:18,690
One of them being proximity
to other operations.
537
00:31:20,233 --> 00:31:22,860
One of them would be
the sanitation practices
538
00:31:22,944 --> 00:31:25,863
and how they handle machinery
and equipment on the farm.
539
00:31:26,698 --> 00:31:28,700
[suspenseful music continues]
540
00:31:37,625 --> 00:31:39,502
[Bill] I think it's just been
really a matter
541
00:31:39,585 --> 00:31:42,839
of the industry
sort of does a whack-a-mole.
542
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,216
"Oh, we'll do testing."
543
00:31:46,217 --> 00:31:48,428
"Oh, we'll make everybody wear a hairnet."
544
00:31:51,347 --> 00:31:56,019
But they just don't want to come to grips
with the fact that the big problem is
545
00:31:56,102 --> 00:32:00,023
cattle farms and feedlots
in close proximity
546
00:32:00,106 --> 00:32:02,316
to where you're growing leafy greens.
547
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,319
[cattle mooing]
548
00:32:05,403 --> 00:32:09,032
[interviewer] How often do your members
test their irrigation water?
549
00:32:10,408 --> 00:32:11,367
[sighs]
550
00:32:11,451 --> 00:32:14,454
I don't honestly know the answer
to that question. Um…
551
00:32:15,580 --> 00:32:20,126
Irrigation water is required
to be tested on an ongoing basis
552
00:32:20,209 --> 00:32:23,046
to know that
that is meeting our practices.
553
00:32:23,129 --> 00:32:25,131
[birds chirping]
554
00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:31,929
[Bill] You know, some of the work
the LGMA has done has been admirable.
555
00:32:33,347 --> 00:32:34,807
But in my view,
556
00:32:35,850 --> 00:32:38,394
it's a way to make sure
that the government,
557
00:32:38,478 --> 00:32:41,647
uh, doesn't enforce rules on them
they don't really like.
558
00:32:41,731 --> 00:32:45,068
One of the ways to avoid
government regulation is to say,
559
00:32:45,151 --> 00:32:46,569
"We'll regulate ourselves."
560
00:32:47,570 --> 00:32:49,572
[splutters] I honestly don't know
what action
561
00:32:49,655 --> 00:32:53,034
the government was potentially going
to take if we didn't.
562
00:32:53,785 --> 00:32:55,953
But the reason the LGMA was formed is
563
00:32:56,037 --> 00:32:59,082
because we could do that
so much faster than the government.
564
00:32:59,165 --> 00:33:01,167
[tense music plays]
565
00:33:03,377 --> 00:33:06,547
[Mike] Who do you hold accountable
for fixing this?
566
00:33:08,257 --> 00:33:12,386
The growers don't control
the practices of the cattlemen.
567
00:33:13,554 --> 00:33:15,056
The cattlemen, you know,
568
00:33:15,139 --> 00:33:17,975
feel that they're not responsible
for produce safety.
569
00:33:19,018 --> 00:33:23,439
There's not enough impetus
for people to break out of their silos
570
00:33:23,523 --> 00:33:26,734
and say, "We've got to come up
with a solution that figures out,
571
00:33:26,818 --> 00:33:30,071
how can you use vaccines
to make this better?"
572
00:33:30,154 --> 00:33:34,033
"How can you adjust the cattle feed
to reduce the E. coli?"
573
00:33:35,118 --> 00:33:38,621
And that… you know,
my frustration is that's not happening,
574
00:33:38,704 --> 00:33:42,416
and people are getting sick,
and that's, uh… you know, that's sad.
575
00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:43,835
That's disturbing.
576
00:33:43,918 --> 00:33:45,211
[tense music ends]
577
00:33:45,294 --> 00:33:47,296
[seagulls squawking]
578
00:33:49,966 --> 00:33:52,176
[phone ringing]
579
00:33:52,260 --> 00:33:54,679
[indistinct chatter]
580
00:33:54,762 --> 00:33:56,472
[keyboard clacking]
581
00:33:59,433 --> 00:34:03,020
[Bill] In my 30 years
of experience doing this,
582
00:34:03,104 --> 00:34:08,317
most companies don't want to, obviously,
see me show up at their doorstep.
583
00:34:08,985 --> 00:34:11,154
You know,
the Leafy Green Marketing Agreement,
584
00:34:11,237 --> 00:34:12,947
they're trying to do the right thing.
585
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:16,701
They're just not going the full distance
that I think they should go.
586
00:34:16,784 --> 00:34:19,787
[inhales] You know,
these outbreaks at Jack in the Box,
587
00:34:19,871 --> 00:34:22,165
they didn't intend that to happen,
588
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:26,043
but I kind of put those folks
in a different category
589
00:34:26,127 --> 00:34:30,089
than I would the folks
from Peanut Corporation of America.
590
00:34:30,590 --> 00:34:33,634
[reporter 1] Food and Drug Administration
is advising Americans not to eat
591
00:34:33,718 --> 00:34:36,137
any products made
with peanut butter or peanut paste.
592
00:34:36,220 --> 00:34:38,806
[reporter 2] More than 500 people
have gotten sick in the outbreak,
593
00:34:38,890 --> 00:34:42,059
and at least eight may have died
as a result of salmonella infection.
594
00:34:42,685 --> 00:34:45,521
[Bill] This was
an enormous salmonella outbreak.
595
00:34:45,605 --> 00:34:47,732
[reporter 3]
Officials are focusing on peanut products
596
00:34:47,815 --> 00:34:52,153
produced by this Georgia plant
owned by Peanut Corporation of America.
597
00:34:54,238 --> 00:34:58,326
[Mike] The Peanut Corporation of America
was a major peanut product producer.
598
00:34:59,744 --> 00:35:02,788
They provided peanut paste
and peanut products
599
00:35:02,872 --> 00:35:07,168
to hundreds of different major brands
in the United States.
600
00:35:07,251 --> 00:35:09,462
[man] Chips Deluxe
with peanut butter cups.
601
00:35:09,545 --> 00:35:11,339
-[boy] Peanut butter cups? No way.
-[man] Way.
602
00:35:12,757 --> 00:35:14,008
[insects chirping]
603
00:35:14,091 --> 00:35:17,887
I started working at Peanut Corp
in July 2006.
604
00:35:17,970 --> 00:35:21,349
I could tell things were going to go bad.
605
00:35:22,141 --> 00:35:24,894
-[tense music plays]
-[slide projector clicking]
606
00:35:24,977 --> 00:35:28,397
The things that had concerned me were,
number one, the roof leak.
607
00:35:29,023 --> 00:35:31,484
Because that washes in bird crap,
608
00:35:32,151 --> 00:35:35,529
which can bring in a whole host
of disease into the plant.
609
00:35:38,032 --> 00:35:42,536
And the pest control person that brought
in to my attention the mice problem.
610
00:35:43,788 --> 00:35:47,291
[man] There are some rats,
uh, and they're still alive.
611
00:35:49,043 --> 00:35:51,587
[Kenneth] The first time
I had brought up, uh, concerns
612
00:35:51,671 --> 00:35:53,339
to Stewart Parnell, the owner,
613
00:35:54,048 --> 00:35:56,467
he told me to shut up
and not worry about it,
614
00:35:56,550 --> 00:36:00,972
that they had recall insurance
and just go on doing my job.
615
00:36:01,764 --> 00:36:06,769
Stewart Parnell
not only grossly underestimated
616
00:36:07,561 --> 00:36:11,023
food safety as a CEO of a food company,
617
00:36:11,899 --> 00:36:15,403
but he blatantly and even flagrantly
618
00:36:16,737 --> 00:36:17,738
just didn't care.
619
00:36:18,281 --> 00:36:21,742
[man] And here we have another live rat.
620
00:36:21,826 --> 00:36:22,868
[rat squeaking]
621
00:36:24,078 --> 00:36:29,458
[Bill] Ultimately, what happened was
that some of the large companies
622
00:36:29,542 --> 00:36:34,005
that were getting their product
from PCA had requirements,
623
00:36:34,088 --> 00:36:38,009
contractual requirements
to test the product before it was shipped.
624
00:36:38,718 --> 00:36:42,555
And they were supposed to give
those companies a piece of paper
625
00:36:42,638 --> 00:36:46,934
called a certificate of analysis
that said the product was tested
626
00:36:47,018 --> 00:36:50,438
and it's free of pathogens
or likely free of pathogens.
627
00:36:50,521 --> 00:36:52,231
[Marion] And lo and behold,
628
00:36:52,315 --> 00:36:56,485
they had a test that came out positive
for the toxic salmonella.
629
00:36:57,153 --> 00:36:59,363
Well, what they ended up doing
630
00:36:59,447 --> 00:37:02,366
was retesting
until they got a negative test.
631
00:37:03,576 --> 00:37:07,121
[Bill] Then it got to the point
where all of them were positive,
632
00:37:08,372 --> 00:37:11,667
and then they just started forging
the certificates of analysis,
633
00:37:11,751 --> 00:37:13,127
saying they were negative.
634
00:37:14,587 --> 00:37:16,213
[Darin] The QA manager,
635
00:37:16,297 --> 00:37:19,425
there's a reason why she has
the nickname "the Queen of Liquid Paper."
636
00:37:20,593 --> 00:37:22,887
If they didn't have
the results that they needed,
637
00:37:22,970 --> 00:37:24,722
they would literally take old results,
638
00:37:24,805 --> 00:37:27,725
Liquid Paper over the date,
and change the date
639
00:37:27,808 --> 00:37:29,685
to make it look like
it's a more recent date.
640
00:37:30,936 --> 00:37:36,650
Stewart Parnell told the manager
in an email to ship the peanut mill.
641
00:37:37,318 --> 00:37:39,195
And the manager said,
642
00:37:39,278 --> 00:37:44,575
"Well, I've got to spray off the rat shit
and dirt before I can do anything."
643
00:37:44,658 --> 00:37:47,995
Stewart said,
"Well, then clean it up and ship it."
644
00:37:49,705 --> 00:37:51,707
There were lots of emails.
645
00:37:51,791 --> 00:37:53,793
[keyboard clacking]
646
00:37:56,545 --> 00:38:00,966
And they had emails
from the heads of the company saying,
647
00:38:01,050 --> 00:38:03,552
"Oh, you've got
a positive salmonella test."
648
00:38:03,636 --> 00:38:04,720
"Ship it out anyway."
649
00:38:09,058 --> 00:38:13,270
A salmonella outbreak involving products
made with peanut butter is worsening.
650
00:38:13,354 --> 00:38:14,855
These were recalled too.
651
00:38:14,939 --> 00:38:19,110
The list of items is so long, Campbell,
I can't even read them all right now.
652
00:38:19,193 --> 00:38:22,822
[Bill] It was over 3,000, almost 4,000,
653
00:38:23,322 --> 00:38:26,200
different products got recalled.
654
00:38:26,909 --> 00:38:30,037
[man] Here we go with another pallet.
I think this is number six.
655
00:38:34,417 --> 00:38:35,501
It's still sealed.
656
00:38:35,584 --> 00:38:38,379
I emailed
the Texas Department of Agriculture,
657
00:38:38,462 --> 00:38:39,755
the FDA.
658
00:38:39,839 --> 00:38:42,174
I… I must have sent a hundred emails.
659
00:38:42,258 --> 00:38:44,677
[reporter] Product recalls
continue mounting.
660
00:38:45,928 --> 00:38:48,722
Nobody else was gonna stop them
from killing people.
661
00:38:50,683 --> 00:38:52,309
So somebody had to step up.
662
00:38:54,019 --> 00:38:55,563
He went to the federal government
663
00:38:55,646 --> 00:38:58,399
and started, you know,
saying how bad the plant was.
664
00:38:58,482 --> 00:39:02,027
The White House today called
the plant's performance alarming
665
00:39:02,111 --> 00:39:05,406
and promised tougher regulation
over America's food supply.
666
00:39:05,489 --> 00:39:09,660
At bare minimum, we should be able
to count on our government
667
00:39:09,743 --> 00:39:12,079
keeping our kids safe
when they eat peanut butter.
668
00:39:12,163 --> 00:39:16,041
That's what Sasha eats for, uh…
for lunch probably three times a week.
669
00:39:17,501 --> 00:39:19,253
[representative] Mr. Parnell,
Mr. Lightsey,
670
00:39:19,336 --> 00:39:21,255
let me just cut to the chase then.
671
00:39:21,881 --> 00:39:26,343
In this container are products
that have your ingredients in them.
672
00:39:26,427 --> 00:39:29,430
I just wonder, would either of you
be willing to take the lid off
673
00:39:29,513 --> 00:39:31,515
and eat any of these products now?
674
00:39:32,016 --> 00:39:33,976
Mr. Chairman, and members
of the committee,
675
00:39:34,059 --> 00:39:35,561
on the advice of my counsel,
676
00:39:35,644 --> 00:39:37,521
I respectfully decline
to answer your question
677
00:39:37,605 --> 00:39:40,483
based on the protection afforded me
under the United States Constitution.
678
00:39:40,566 --> 00:39:41,817
[Greg] You're dismissed.
679
00:39:43,527 --> 00:39:49,366
Sometimes manufacturers of food
don't really think of it as food.
680
00:39:49,450 --> 00:39:51,869
It becomes a… a commodity.
681
00:39:51,952 --> 00:39:55,456
So they don't think about it
in the sense of, "Oh, my goodness,
682
00:39:55,539 --> 00:39:58,876
this is going to go into somebody's mouth
and into their stomach."
683
00:39:58,959 --> 00:40:02,213
My father was
a highly decorated Korean War veteran
684
00:40:02,296 --> 00:40:04,840
and was awarded
three Purple Hearts for his valor.
685
00:40:04,924 --> 00:40:09,053
His final battle occurred when he ate
some contaminated peanut butter from PCA.
686
00:40:09,637 --> 00:40:12,473
[Christine] When you spend time
with these victims and speak with them,
687
00:40:12,556 --> 00:40:13,933
they don't get over it.
688
00:40:14,016 --> 00:40:15,935
It's not a natural form of grief
689
00:40:16,018 --> 00:40:19,980
when someone you love dies from,
um, a bunch of peanut butter crackers.
690
00:40:20,064 --> 00:40:23,567
Our family feels cheated.
My mom should be here today.
691
00:40:24,485 --> 00:40:27,112
[Timothy] The FDA partnered
with the Department of Justice,
692
00:40:27,196 --> 00:40:30,991
and they brought felony counts
against Stewart Parnell and his associates
693
00:40:31,075 --> 00:40:34,620
for knowingly and intentionally
shipping contaminated products
694
00:40:34,703 --> 00:40:37,915
that had toxic salmonella
into the stream of commerce.
695
00:40:38,749 --> 00:40:41,293
[reporter 1] Stewart Parnell,
he is sentenced yesterday
696
00:40:41,377 --> 00:40:44,213
to 28 years behind bars.
697
00:40:44,296 --> 00:40:45,923
[reporter 2] Eight people died, sir.
698
00:40:46,006 --> 00:40:48,467
Do you have anything to say
to their families?
699
00:40:48,551 --> 00:40:52,012
[Kenneth] It doesn't bother him
to this day because he's still appealing.
700
00:40:52,513 --> 00:40:54,723
"Murdering people is okay."
701
00:40:54,807 --> 00:40:56,725
And I'm sorry. I call this murder.
702
00:40:56,809 --> 00:40:59,478
He knew
that there was salmonella in there.
703
00:40:59,562 --> 00:41:00,938
So, you know, Stewart,
704
00:41:01,021 --> 00:41:04,149
why would you ship that
knowing you could kill people?
705
00:41:04,233 --> 00:41:05,901
Explain to the families.
706
00:41:07,236 --> 00:41:11,574
Criminal prosecution is appropriate
when it comes to really bad actors.
707
00:41:11,657 --> 00:41:15,869
People like Stewart Parnell,
who knowingly sold contaminated product,
708
00:41:15,953 --> 00:41:18,747
or Jack DeCoster, the Egg King.
709
00:41:19,582 --> 00:41:21,792
[reporter 1] Salmonella outbreaks
sickening hundreds
710
00:41:21,875 --> 00:41:23,669
have led to a national egg recall.
711
00:41:23,752 --> 00:41:26,672
[reporter 2] The numbers are enough
to give anyone shell shock.
712
00:41:26,755 --> 00:41:30,175
The recall has grown
to more than 500 million eggs
713
00:41:30,259 --> 00:41:32,094
from just two farms in Iowa.
714
00:41:32,177 --> 00:41:35,598
The chairman and owner,
Austin Jack DeCoster.
715
00:41:36,765 --> 00:41:38,684
[Christine] Jack DeCoster is a businessman
716
00:41:38,767 --> 00:41:41,979
who's been in the farming industry
for easily 50 years.
717
00:41:42,062 --> 00:41:45,482
And in place after place
and time after time,
718
00:41:45,566 --> 00:41:47,901
he has run filthy farms.
719
00:41:47,985 --> 00:41:49,987
[chickens clucking]
720
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:56,076
[Bill] He knew that their product
was being produced
721
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,455
in really insanitary conditions
722
00:41:59,538 --> 00:42:03,876
that likely would have resulted
in eggs being contaminated.
723
00:42:03,959 --> 00:42:07,254
A pile of manure at one of them,
eight feet high.
724
00:42:07,338 --> 00:42:09,757
Pile of manure, eight feet high, leaking!
725
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,052
As many as 56,000 Americans
were sickened because of it.
726
00:42:13,636 --> 00:42:18,182
How is it possible
that after all this time,
727
00:42:18,265 --> 00:42:23,854
we have another DeCoster egg producer
involved in a half-billion-dollar recall?
728
00:42:24,396 --> 00:42:26,940
-[cup clattering]
-[clicks tongue]
729
00:42:31,195 --> 00:42:33,530
Well, the question is complicated, so--
730
00:42:33,614 --> 00:42:34,782
You can…
731
00:42:35,532 --> 00:42:37,785
[Christine]
For decades he got away with it.
732
00:42:37,868 --> 00:42:43,707
But he finally was convicted
and, um, was given a short prison term.
733
00:42:46,251 --> 00:42:50,130
[Darin] There will never be
an end to bad actors
734
00:42:50,214 --> 00:42:55,177
who decide that profit
is more important than ethics.
735
00:42:55,260 --> 00:42:56,887
We have laws.
736
00:42:56,970 --> 00:42:59,640
We have regulatory authorities
and regulatory agencies,
737
00:42:59,723 --> 00:43:02,309
and these things still happen, even today.
738
00:43:02,393 --> 00:43:04,395
[birds chirping]
739
00:43:05,604 --> 00:43:07,606
[door opens]
740
00:43:11,068 --> 00:43:13,904
[chickens clucking]
741
00:43:15,989 --> 00:43:17,074
[Bill] Come on, guys.
742
00:43:21,453 --> 00:43:22,621
Come on, come on.
743
00:43:23,205 --> 00:43:25,082
[chickens clucking]
744
00:43:27,084 --> 00:43:29,545
After the Wright County egg outbreak,
745
00:43:29,628 --> 00:43:32,923
I wound up on Larry King Live,
talking about,
746
00:43:33,006 --> 00:43:34,717
you know, foodborne illness again.
747
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,969
And sort of at the end of the segment,
748
00:43:37,052 --> 00:43:41,140
I just said, "I'm gonna get chickens,"
as just sort of a throwaway line.
749
00:43:41,223 --> 00:43:43,308
When I got home,
my youngest daughter was like,
750
00:43:43,392 --> 00:43:44,852
"Oh, so we're gonna get chickens."
751
00:43:44,935 --> 00:43:46,478
So now we have chickens,
752
00:43:46,562 --> 00:43:49,857
and now she's off at college,
and we still have chickens.
753
00:43:49,940 --> 00:43:51,150
[chickens clucking]
754
00:43:51,233 --> 00:43:55,028
[dramatic music plays]
755
00:43:55,112 --> 00:43:58,365
More people are becoming sick
from a salmonella outbreak.
756
00:43:58,449 --> 00:44:00,325
-Salmonella outbreak.
-[reporter 1] Salmonella outbreak.
757
00:44:00,409 --> 00:44:02,453
-Salmonella outbreak.
-Large salmonella outbreak.
758
00:44:02,536 --> 00:44:05,289
[reporter 2] More than 100 people
have been sent to the hospital.
759
00:44:05,372 --> 00:44:09,001
-[reporter 3] Three hundred cases.
-[reporter 4] Made 278 people ill.
760
00:44:09,835 --> 00:44:15,799
At age two, I was hospitalized
for 11 days, uh, in New Haven.
761
00:44:15,883 --> 00:44:18,802
Uh, my folks-- It was an isolation.
762
00:44:18,886 --> 00:44:20,721
My folks couldn't come to see me.
763
00:44:20,804 --> 00:44:23,849
[splutters] You know,
so I am a survivor of salmonella.
764
00:44:23,932 --> 00:44:27,394
Uh, and it's… uh, it's a killer.
765
00:44:27,478 --> 00:44:29,480
[dramatic music continues]
766
00:44:37,488 --> 00:44:40,491
[Sarah] If you look at the two bacteria
that are most likely
767
00:44:40,574 --> 00:44:42,993
to send you to the hospital from food,
768
00:44:43,076 --> 00:44:45,954
it's salmonella
and a germ called campylobacter.
769
00:44:46,038 --> 00:44:48,582
And if you look at the foods
that are most likely
770
00:44:48,665 --> 00:44:50,959
to be the source for those bacteria,
771
00:44:51,043 --> 00:44:53,462
at least from the outbreak data,
it's chicken.
772
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:57,299
And so if we want
to address foodborne illness,
773
00:44:57,382 --> 00:45:00,302
we wanna bring those numbers down,
chicken is the place to start.
774
00:45:04,848 --> 00:45:08,268
Four companies now control more than half
the market in chicken processing.
775
00:45:08,352 --> 00:45:10,562
So it's a very consolidated industry,
776
00:45:10,646 --> 00:45:13,565
and it means those companies
have a lot of control over our food.
777
00:45:13,649 --> 00:45:15,442
At the top, the very top of the chain,
778
00:45:15,526 --> 00:45:19,655
there are really just two breeders
controlling the entire poultry supply
779
00:45:19,738 --> 00:45:21,740
in the sense that they provide the eggs.
780
00:45:21,824 --> 00:45:24,284
And those companies
largely operate in secrecy.
781
00:45:24,368 --> 00:45:27,538
Their customers are not the public.
They're not very communicative.
782
00:45:27,621 --> 00:45:30,123
And it's very hard to tell
what practices they're using
783
00:45:30,207 --> 00:45:33,001
to keep those eggs from spreading disease.
784
00:45:33,085 --> 00:45:35,087
[somber music plays]
785
00:45:48,642 --> 00:45:51,478
Perdue is very focused on food safety,
786
00:45:51,562 --> 00:45:54,731
and, um, what makes us
a little bit different,
787
00:45:54,815 --> 00:45:58,986
I believe, it came from, uh,
the "no antibiotics ever" move.
788
00:45:59,069 --> 00:46:02,739
Well, tonight, there's a major change
coming to your dinner table.
789
00:46:02,823 --> 00:46:06,994
Perdue, the chicken makers,
say it's dropping most human antibiotics
790
00:46:07,077 --> 00:46:08,745
from its chicken products.
791
00:46:09,413 --> 00:46:12,332
[Bruce] In order to do that,
we needed to change a lot of things
792
00:46:12,416 --> 00:46:13,959
about how we raise chickens.
793
00:46:14,042 --> 00:46:16,044
[suspenseful music plays]
794
00:46:22,634 --> 00:46:26,471
Perdue produces
a little over 12 million chickens a week.
795
00:46:28,891 --> 00:46:30,392
So the eggs come in.
796
00:46:30,475 --> 00:46:33,604
Uh, we want to get them
to the hatchery as fast as we can.
797
00:46:33,687 --> 00:46:36,356
Make sure that they're
in a clean environment.
798
00:46:38,066 --> 00:46:39,902
[Bruce in scene]
We asked them, the farmer,
799
00:46:39,985 --> 00:46:42,946
if there are some eggs
that are more likely to be dirty,
800
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:44,281
put them on the bottom.
801
00:46:44,990 --> 00:46:48,243
We've been using this tool.
We can swab a lot of eggs
802
00:46:48,327 --> 00:46:49,870
and get immediate feedback
803
00:46:49,953 --> 00:46:51,788
on how much material is on
804
00:46:51,872 --> 00:46:54,791
and how much organic material
is alive on the egg.
805
00:47:00,839 --> 00:47:02,633
[Bruce in scene] 770's in the middle.
806
00:47:02,716 --> 00:47:06,553
Not terribly dirty
but not perfectly clean either.
807
00:47:07,220 --> 00:47:08,972
That doesn't mean there's salmonella,
808
00:47:09,056 --> 00:47:14,269
but it does give you a sense
of… of opportunity for salmonella.
809
00:47:14,353 --> 00:47:16,355
[chickens clucking]
810
00:47:19,441 --> 00:47:25,614
It takes 21 days to hatch a chicken from,
uh, an embryonated or a fertilized egg.
811
00:47:25,697 --> 00:47:28,450
[Bruce in scene]
So he's partially working his way out.
812
00:47:29,534 --> 00:47:30,786
-Taking a break.
-[man] Yeah.
813
00:47:30,869 --> 00:47:33,163
[Bruce] Gonna work his way out some more.
814
00:47:38,543 --> 00:47:40,545
[suspenseful music intensifies]
815
00:48:06,405 --> 00:48:09,366
[Bruce] The chicks,
after they've hatched at the hatchery,
816
00:48:09,449 --> 00:48:11,868
and we've done all we can there
to keep them clean,
817
00:48:11,952 --> 00:48:13,453
we move them to the farm.
818
00:48:22,879 --> 00:48:25,757
[chickens clucking]
819
00:48:32,806 --> 00:48:34,349
They come here a day old.
820
00:48:35,517 --> 00:48:38,812
Day they hatch, we get them here,
put them in the chicken house.
821
00:48:38,895 --> 00:48:41,314
They stay here about 45 days.
822
00:48:41,398 --> 00:48:44,401
These birds here are about 14 days,
two weeks old.
823
00:48:50,407 --> 00:48:53,702
So we monitor
for specific types of salmonella,
824
00:48:53,785 --> 00:48:58,331
and we use this sampling technique
called boot swabs, or bootie swabs,
825
00:48:58,415 --> 00:49:04,087
where you take a sock that's doused
in skim milk, put it over your boot,
826
00:49:04,171 --> 00:49:08,592
and walk through the chicken house trying
to sample as many chicken's droppings
827
00:49:08,675 --> 00:49:11,762
as you can possibly pick up
with those boots.
828
00:49:11,845 --> 00:49:15,724
And we figure over 100 chickens contribute
to the bootie sample.
829
00:49:15,807 --> 00:49:18,393
We send that to the lab
and look for salmonella.
830
00:49:31,114 --> 00:49:34,201
[suspenseful music continues]
831
00:49:38,955 --> 00:49:41,208
[Bruce in scene]
This is boneless, skinless breast.
832
00:49:41,291 --> 00:49:46,088
It comes down the line after
it's been taken off the, uh, bone.
833
00:49:47,214 --> 00:49:49,674
It goes into this unit and is washed.
834
00:49:50,342 --> 00:49:53,637
There's some peracetic acid,
helps us keep it clean
835
00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:57,307
from the process that we just did
all the way to the package.
836
00:49:59,059 --> 00:50:02,729
We believe that if a bird came in
with a little bit of salmonella,
837
00:50:02,813 --> 00:50:05,065
it'd be washed off and taken care of.
838
00:50:05,148 --> 00:50:07,150
[tense music plays]
839
00:50:15,534 --> 00:50:19,287
One of the big broken pieces
of the American food safety system
840
00:50:19,371 --> 00:50:22,082
is that we don't monitor anything
on the farm.
841
00:50:22,165 --> 00:50:24,960
[chickens clucking]
842
00:50:25,043 --> 00:50:27,129
Those are off-limits to regulators.
843
00:50:29,464 --> 00:50:34,302
[Lance] The problem lies in that a lot
of salmonella is found at the farm level,
844
00:50:34,386 --> 00:50:35,720
at the hatchery level.
845
00:50:36,471 --> 00:50:37,556
[brakes hiss]
846
00:50:38,557 --> 00:50:41,893
And, you know,
USDA's jurisdiction doesn't kick in
847
00:50:41,977 --> 00:50:45,021
until those chickens
actually enter the slaughter plant.
848
00:50:48,316 --> 00:50:49,276
[assistant] A-mark.
849
00:50:54,614 --> 00:50:58,285
[interviewer] Let's just start off with,
tell me what you do for work.
850
00:50:58,368 --> 00:51:02,330
[inspector in distorted voice] I am
a USDA consumer safety inspector,
851
00:51:02,414 --> 00:51:04,249
and I inspect chickens.
852
00:51:05,250 --> 00:51:07,252
[tense music plays]
853
00:51:13,925 --> 00:51:17,512
We run over 300,000 chickens a day.
854
00:51:22,058 --> 00:51:27,355
We're looking at 175 birds a minute,
and they're going by so fast.
855
00:51:29,983 --> 00:51:33,111
There's only one inspector
at the very end of the line,
856
00:51:33,862 --> 00:51:36,031
and they do miss a lot sometimes.
857
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,285
Some of the plants I've worked at,
858
00:51:40,368 --> 00:51:43,955
I feel like the chicken's
not safe to go out.
859
00:51:44,039 --> 00:51:47,542
I feel like consumers
would really be shocked
860
00:51:47,626 --> 00:51:50,629
at some of the stories
that we could tell them.
861
00:51:52,714 --> 00:51:53,882
I've seen… [sighs]
862
00:51:53,965 --> 00:51:58,011
…plant person
throwing chickens in the chiller
863
00:51:58,094 --> 00:52:00,764
and would have fecal matter in them.
864
00:52:03,683 --> 00:52:08,521
I've seen inspectors sleep on the line
and product just going on by.
865
00:52:09,940 --> 00:52:12,901
And you'll see employees,
they've been to the bathroom.
866
00:52:12,984 --> 00:52:15,070
They're not washing their hands.
867
00:52:15,153 --> 00:52:16,613
I've seen… [sighs]
868
00:52:16,696 --> 00:52:21,117
…people drop their knives,
not attempt to pick them up and wash it,
869
00:52:21,201 --> 00:52:23,620
just go right back to using it.
870
00:52:26,039 --> 00:52:28,250
They got a quota they gotta meet.
871
00:52:28,333 --> 00:52:32,212
And, you know,
I feel like they're there to make a profit
872
00:52:32,295 --> 00:52:34,089
and get the chickens through.
873
00:52:34,172 --> 00:52:36,591
They don't care what shape they're in.
874
00:52:39,094 --> 00:52:44,391
The USDA inspection regime is really…
goes back to the early 1900s
875
00:52:44,474 --> 00:52:47,269
and, you know,
Upton Sinclair's book The Jungle.
876
00:52:47,352 --> 00:52:49,354
[narrator] It was not a pleasant novel.
877
00:52:49,437 --> 00:52:53,233
It told of conditions of filth
and carelessness in the handling of meat,
878
00:52:53,316 --> 00:52:56,278
and those who read it
became concerned and aroused.
879
00:52:57,279 --> 00:52:58,446
It's an outrage.
880
00:53:00,657 --> 00:53:04,369
[Mike] Meat and poultry inspection laws
are designed to deal with the problem
881
00:53:04,452 --> 00:53:09,749
that Teddy Roosevelt addressed in 1906
in meatpacking plants in Chicago,
882
00:53:09,833 --> 00:53:13,420
which is diseased animals
coming into facilities,
883
00:53:13,503 --> 00:53:16,172
spoiled meat being put
into the food system.
884
00:53:17,674 --> 00:53:20,885
[Bill] Frankly, when they built
that inspection regime,
885
00:53:20,969 --> 00:53:24,306
we didn't even understand viruses
and bacteria.
886
00:53:25,140 --> 00:53:27,809
[man] Every bird must be
individually inspected.
887
00:53:27,892 --> 00:53:31,146
It must prove to be wholesome,
or else it is condemned.
888
00:53:32,397 --> 00:53:35,108
[Marion] What they're expected to do
has nothing to do with bacteria.
889
00:53:35,191 --> 00:53:37,152
You can't see bacteria.
890
00:53:37,694 --> 00:53:39,946
They're not visible to the naked eye.
891
00:53:40,030 --> 00:53:42,032
[tense music intensifies]
892
00:53:42,949 --> 00:53:45,285
[Mike] You have hundreds,
if not thousands,
893
00:53:45,368 --> 00:53:48,204
of poultry inspectors
sitting on slaughter lines,
894
00:53:48,288 --> 00:53:51,499
watching birds go by,
to meet the statutory mandate
895
00:53:51,583 --> 00:53:55,587
to have a US government inspector look at
every chicken that goes through a facility
896
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:58,173
with no meaningful benefit
for food safety.
897
00:53:58,256 --> 00:54:00,383
It's a waste
of hundreds of millions of dollars.
898
00:54:01,384 --> 00:54:05,388
I disagree with that assessment
for a number of reasons.
899
00:54:05,472 --> 00:54:07,557
They do look at the product.
900
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,977
That's what the law requires
under current statutes.
901
00:54:11,061 --> 00:54:14,022
They look at the records
that companies keep
902
00:54:14,105 --> 00:54:17,233
to ensure that they're doing
what they're supposed to do,
903
00:54:17,317 --> 00:54:20,195
and they sample and test product.
904
00:54:23,281 --> 00:54:26,034
[inspector in distorted voice]
We run millions of birds a month.
905
00:54:26,785 --> 00:54:31,706
We test five salmonella samples a month
of a whole bird.
906
00:54:33,333 --> 00:54:37,504
And we do five samples of parts
at our plant.
907
00:54:42,425 --> 00:54:45,053
That's all the USDA does.
908
00:54:49,140 --> 00:54:52,602
And just because it says
that "USDA inspected" on there,
909
00:54:52,685 --> 00:54:56,022
it don't mean nothing
because it's gotta be on their label.
910
00:54:56,106 --> 00:55:00,318
I wouldn't want to eat nothing coming
from some of the plants myself.
911
00:55:01,945 --> 00:55:04,781
When you bring raw poultry
into your kitchen,
912
00:55:04,864 --> 00:55:06,491
you're taking a significant risk.
913
00:55:06,574 --> 00:55:09,828
The real problem
is that even somebody as careful as me,
914
00:55:09,911 --> 00:55:12,539
I'm a microbiologist
that studies these pathogens,
915
00:55:12,622 --> 00:55:14,707
when I bring these packages into my house,
916
00:55:14,791 --> 00:55:18,336
it's really hard
not to contaminate things.
917
00:55:20,046 --> 00:55:21,131
I'm gonna open that package,
918
00:55:21,214 --> 00:55:24,217
and I'm immediately gonna put
that plastic into the trash.
919
00:55:25,385 --> 00:55:26,761
I'm gonna use my foot.
920
00:55:27,554 --> 00:55:29,180
Then I'm gonna take the chicken
921
00:55:29,264 --> 00:55:32,600
and immediately put it into,
you know, hot oil and start frying it.
922
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,770
-[whimsical music plays]
-[chicken sizzling]
923
00:55:35,854 --> 00:55:37,856
Then I'm gonna throw away
the rest of the package,
924
00:55:37,939 --> 00:55:41,192
but this time I touched the top
of the trash can, right?
925
00:55:42,944 --> 00:55:45,029
And then I go wash my hand,
and I turn on the faucet.
926
00:55:45,113 --> 00:55:46,489
I've just contaminated the faucet.
927
00:55:46,573 --> 00:55:48,783
I pump the soap.
I've just contaminated the soap.
928
00:55:48,867 --> 00:55:50,702
I'm gonna wash my hands really well.
929
00:55:50,785 --> 00:55:53,246
Then I'm gonna rinse my hands,
and shut off the faucet.
930
00:55:53,329 --> 00:55:55,999
I've just recontaminated my hand,
and I'm gonna go make a salad.
931
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,422
As careful as I am,
those bacteria get around.
932
00:56:03,423 --> 00:56:05,175
[whimsical music ends]
933
00:56:05,258 --> 00:56:08,928
Once that salmonella is dry,
it can stay on surfaces for months.
934
00:56:09,012 --> 00:56:11,848
It could still make someone sick
when ingested.
935
00:56:11,931 --> 00:56:16,019
You should know that when you bring
raw poultry into your kitchen,
936
00:56:16,102 --> 00:56:19,105
you are introducing
into your household a biohazard,
937
00:56:19,189 --> 00:56:21,065
and you should handle it accordingly.
938
00:56:23,485 --> 00:56:24,986
[chicken sizzling]
939
00:56:25,069 --> 00:56:26,905
[Lance] When you consume salmonella,
940
00:56:26,988 --> 00:56:31,075
some of those strains also
are resistant to multiple antibiotics,
941
00:56:31,159 --> 00:56:34,996
and so the likelihood that a treatment
is going to fail is much higher.
942
00:56:38,666 --> 00:56:41,294
Those bacteria are going to continue
to grow in your blood,
943
00:56:41,377 --> 00:56:44,005
and sadly, people die of these infections.
944
00:56:44,506 --> 00:56:48,927
[suspenseful music plays]
945
00:57:08,905 --> 00:57:11,491
[Mansour] So the way we test foods,
946
00:57:11,574 --> 00:57:15,745
I think the samples dropped off here
for us to test were five samples
947
00:57:15,828 --> 00:57:19,999
of… of chicken that were purchased
from local grocery stores.
948
00:57:21,918 --> 00:57:24,170
In about one hour, we get results,
949
00:57:25,588 --> 00:57:27,757
whether it has salmonella or not.
950
00:57:28,550 --> 00:57:30,301
[interviewer]
On our first day of production,
951
00:57:30,385 --> 00:57:32,971
we went to a food safety lab in Seattle.
952
00:57:33,054 --> 00:57:36,432
We picked up five brands
of raw chicken and tested them.
953
00:57:36,516 --> 00:57:39,686
And we were told by the lab,
"You're not gonna get positive results."
954
00:57:39,769 --> 00:57:41,062
"It's too small of a sample."
955
00:57:41,145 --> 00:57:43,898
We got one positive results,
and it was Perdue.
956
00:57:43,982 --> 00:57:46,818
-Can I just ask for your reaction to that?
-[smacks lips]
957
00:57:46,901 --> 00:57:53,241
I would say a chicken is, uh,
not even a fair thing to talk about.
958
00:57:53,324 --> 00:57:58,663
Uh, so, I mean, again,
we run hundreds of birds
959
00:57:58,746 --> 00:58:01,207
in order to understand where we're at.
960
00:58:01,291 --> 00:58:03,668
And the other part is I would wonder
961
00:58:03,751 --> 00:58:07,338
what the salmonella was in particular.
962
00:58:07,422 --> 00:58:08,756
[interviewer] It was infantis.
963
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:14,429
Yeah. Having said that, one chicken
is not a fair… uh, fair discussion at all.
964
00:58:14,929 --> 00:58:18,224
[interviewer] What do you think would be
a fair sample set?
965
00:58:18,308 --> 00:58:23,354
A hundred and fifty, uh,
in a relatively short period of time.
966
00:58:25,857 --> 00:58:27,984
[tense music plays]
967
00:58:33,740 --> 00:58:38,494
[interviewer] So you're going
to be testing 150 chicken parts
968
00:58:38,578 --> 00:58:40,622
for us over the course of five weeks
969
00:58:40,705 --> 00:58:44,083
from the top four major brands
in this country.
970
00:58:48,463 --> 00:58:51,507
You're close to the end
of testing all one hundred--
971
00:58:51,591 --> 00:58:54,093
We're slightly--
We're about 60% of testing
972
00:58:54,177 --> 00:58:56,346
if you intend to bring in 150.
973
00:58:56,429 --> 00:59:00,433
Great. If I buy chicken
at the grocery store,
974
00:59:00,516 --> 00:59:02,477
should I assume it's safe for me?
975
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:08,816
In this country, if you buy poultry,
uh, from any grocery store,
976
00:59:08,900 --> 00:59:11,736
regardless of the brand
of poultry that you buy,
977
00:59:12,403 --> 00:59:15,907
your… your primary assumption
should be that
978
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:20,244
it contains pathogens
such as salmonella and campylobacter.
979
00:59:21,663 --> 00:59:26,376
The fact of the matter is salmonella
in chicken is okay to be sold.
980
00:59:26,459 --> 00:59:27,877
It's not an adulterant.
981
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:33,257
So it's fine to knowingly sell
salmonella, campylobacter-tainted chicken.
982
00:59:33,341 --> 00:59:34,926
[easy listening music plays]
983
00:59:35,009 --> 00:59:39,180
There was a famous case where
the government and industry simply said
984
00:59:39,263 --> 00:59:42,684
that it was the housewife's job
to protect the family.
985
00:59:45,978 --> 00:59:47,605
[Brian] What it boils down to
986
00:59:47,689 --> 00:59:49,357
is the courts ruled that, you know,
987
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,776
the salmonella can't be considered
an adulterant
988
00:59:51,859 --> 00:59:55,905
because housewives know
how to cook chicken.
989
00:59:55,988 --> 00:59:58,908
[narrator] Can she prepare
those favorite dishes of Tim's
990
00:59:58,991 --> 01:00:00,868
just like his mother used to make?
991
01:00:01,661 --> 01:00:04,455
[Brian] And therefore,
it doesn't pose a threat to human illness.
992
01:00:05,498 --> 01:00:10,002
[narrator] Remember, it pays to play safe
in the kitchen.
993
01:00:11,504 --> 01:00:15,299
This terrible court case
dealt a death blow
994
01:00:15,383 --> 01:00:19,220
to… to regulation in the United States
regarding salmonella.
995
01:00:19,303 --> 01:00:22,598
Sadly, a true death blow
to a lot of people since.
996
01:00:22,682 --> 01:00:26,477
The USDA throws up its hand and says,
997
01:00:26,561 --> 01:00:32,400
"Toxic salmonella are a normal part
of raw chicken."
998
01:00:32,483 --> 01:00:35,153
"You don't want toxic salmonella?
Cook it."
999
01:00:39,657 --> 01:00:41,325
[Bill] That's what we're trying to change.
1000
01:00:42,076 --> 01:00:44,662
The burden shouldn't be with consumers.
1001
01:00:45,830 --> 01:00:48,916
And that's why we filed
a petition with the USDA.
1002
01:00:50,376 --> 01:00:52,920
[tense music plays]
1003
01:01:03,222 --> 01:01:06,184
Well, welcome. Let me just say
it's so good to really be,
1004
01:01:06,267 --> 01:01:08,352
uh, with… with all of you.
1005
01:01:08,436 --> 01:01:12,482
I… I just have such high regard
for the work that you do and…
1006
01:01:12,565 --> 01:01:16,861
I know, Bill, you have petitions
that you have moving forward,
1007
01:01:16,944 --> 01:01:20,114
and Sarah, you do, uh, as well.
1008
01:01:20,198 --> 01:01:22,617
And I'd love to have you just update me.
1009
01:01:23,201 --> 01:01:28,915
I made a really broad petition
that would essentially encompass
1010
01:01:28,998 --> 01:01:33,461
making all salmonellas
that cause human disease an adulterant.
1011
01:01:33,544 --> 01:01:37,673
Draw a line in the sand and say, you know,
"Thou shalt not have a pathogen
1012
01:01:37,757 --> 01:01:40,551
in your food that can sicken
or kill your kid."
1013
01:01:40,635 --> 01:01:42,428
[chuckles] Science supports that.
1014
01:01:42,512 --> 01:01:46,349
Yeah, these pathogens are taking advantage
of the gaps we have in our current system.
1015
01:01:46,432 --> 01:01:47,308
Yeah.
1016
01:01:47,391 --> 01:01:51,103
I mean, I think the common thread
of all the work that we're all doing
1017
01:01:51,187 --> 01:01:54,273
is modernizing the outdated system
that we have now.
1018
01:01:54,357 --> 01:01:56,943
[splutters] That's the importance
of this conversation.
1019
01:01:57,026 --> 01:01:58,986
You spoke, Sarah, about the gaps.
1020
01:01:59,070 --> 01:02:02,490
-[Sarah] Mm.
-Where are-- And I speak legislatively.
1021
01:02:02,573 --> 01:02:05,618
Where are the gaps
that we need to try to fill in?
1022
01:02:05,701 --> 01:02:07,537
We really don't have a government agency
1023
01:02:07,620 --> 01:02:10,623
that's able to go onto farms
and look at food safety risks.
1024
01:02:10,706 --> 01:02:16,170
They can regulate diseases
that cause animal illnesses,
1025
01:02:16,254 --> 01:02:21,175
but they turn a blind eye to the diseases
that cause human illness.
1026
01:02:21,259 --> 01:02:23,803
If it makes you sick…
1027
01:02:25,805 --> 01:02:27,807
[hesitates] …let's regulate it.
1028
01:02:27,890 --> 01:02:28,766
We can do it,
1029
01:02:28,850 --> 01:02:31,853
but I… I don't have
to tell anyone around this table
1030
01:02:31,936 --> 01:02:33,813
about the strength of the lobby.
1031
01:02:33,896 --> 01:02:34,981
-[Bill] Right.
-[Brian] Yeah.
1032
01:02:35,064 --> 01:02:36,983
[Rosa] You have to know
what you're up against.
1033
01:02:37,483 --> 01:02:42,488
The food lobbyists are more powerful
than the consumer at the moment.
1034
01:02:42,572 --> 01:02:45,032
It's… it's very, very political.
1035
01:02:45,616 --> 01:02:46,576
Um…
1036
01:02:46,659 --> 01:02:52,582
In… in a very, um…
in my view, in a dangerous way.
1037
01:02:53,249 --> 01:02:55,251
[tense music plays]
1038
01:02:59,589 --> 01:03:02,675
[Marion] Food companies hate regulation.
1039
01:03:03,217 --> 01:03:05,803
They pay very expensive lobbyists
1040
01:03:05,887 --> 01:03:07,638
to lobby the federal government
1041
01:03:07,722 --> 01:03:13,185
to make sure that the regulatory oversight
is extremely limited.
1042
01:03:13,269 --> 01:03:14,979
Madam chairman and committee members,
1043
01:03:15,062 --> 01:03:17,982
as you can appreciate,
there are many issues impacting the state
1044
01:03:18,065 --> 01:03:20,610
of the chicken industry
as I speak to you today.
1045
01:03:21,110 --> 01:03:23,613
[Marion] They go to Congress and say,
1046
01:03:23,696 --> 01:03:26,532
"We know you're considering a bill
1047
01:03:26,616 --> 01:03:31,495
to pass very tight regulations
about food safety."
1048
01:03:31,579 --> 01:03:35,625
As Henry Ford once said,
"Don't find fault. Find a remedy."
1049
01:03:36,459 --> 01:03:38,085
[Bill] As soon as we propose something,
1050
01:03:38,711 --> 01:03:41,005
you know,
the industry groups are gonna come in,
1051
01:03:41,088 --> 01:03:43,633
and they're gonna have their stories
1052
01:03:43,716 --> 01:03:46,969
about why this would be burdensome
on industry,
1053
01:03:47,053 --> 01:03:49,388
and meat prices are gonna go higher,
1054
01:03:49,472 --> 01:03:53,559
people are gonna lose their jobs,
and it's the consumer's responsibility.
1055
01:03:53,643 --> 01:03:56,979
All those arguments
were the ones they said,
1056
01:03:57,063 --> 01:04:01,359
you know, when E. coli O157:H7
was listed as an adulterant.
1057
01:04:01,442 --> 01:04:04,111
You know, the world was gonna fall apart,
and it didn't.
1058
01:04:04,195 --> 01:04:06,197
[tense music ends]
1059
01:04:08,491 --> 01:04:11,535
[Mindy] I was
the undersecretary for food safety
1060
01:04:11,619 --> 01:04:15,373
which was the highest-ranking
food safety official in the US.
1061
01:04:16,123 --> 01:04:18,751
And, I mean, I'm a scientist.
I'm not a politician.
1062
01:04:18,834 --> 01:04:20,920
I was there to make the food supply safe.
1063
01:04:22,546 --> 01:04:27,343
When you put agendas
and, you know, political interest aside,
1064
01:04:27,426 --> 01:04:28,928
then you can solve problems.
1065
01:04:29,011 --> 01:04:32,139
You can get data,
you can find the answers,
1066
01:04:32,223 --> 01:04:34,600
and then you can find something
that actually works.
1067
01:04:34,684 --> 01:04:37,979
Obviously, regulations are important.
I'm not saying they're not.
1068
01:04:38,062 --> 01:04:41,190
But it's better for us to be able
to come to the table
1069
01:04:41,273 --> 01:04:43,609
before we have to move to regulation.
1070
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,363
[interviewer] When you were nominated
for your position by President Trump,
1071
01:04:47,446 --> 01:04:50,866
a lobbyist for the National Cattlemen's
Beef Association said that this was
1072
01:04:50,950 --> 01:04:53,160
great news for the industry.
1073
01:04:53,244 --> 01:04:56,038
Why was the industry
so excited about you in particular?
1074
01:04:56,122 --> 01:04:57,456
Because I'm a scientist,
1075
01:04:57,540 --> 01:05:00,501
and they knew I'd make
data-driven, science-based decisions.
1076
01:05:01,419 --> 01:05:03,921
[interviewer]
It had nothing to do with the fact
1077
01:05:04,005 --> 01:05:06,716
that you had received a lot of money
for your research
1078
01:05:06,799 --> 01:05:09,343
from this very same group over the years?
1079
01:05:09,427 --> 01:05:11,345
No. I mean… [splutters]
1080
01:05:11,429 --> 01:05:12,680
No. [chuckles]
1081
01:05:13,305 --> 01:05:17,018
I do wish that that money, you know,
was my personal money.
1082
01:05:17,101 --> 01:05:20,021
It never-- It wasn't.
It was university given to--
1083
01:05:20,104 --> 01:05:23,357
It was money given
to the university to do research.
1084
01:05:23,441 --> 01:05:27,903
And that's how we fund research programs,
is through grants from the cattlemen,
1085
01:05:27,987 --> 01:05:31,866
through, uh, you know, the meat institute,
all those different organizations.
1086
01:05:31,949 --> 01:05:35,369
[interviewer] Are you saying it isn't
a conflict of interest for you to regulate
1087
01:05:35,453 --> 01:05:38,622
the very industry that has funded
so many of your studies?
1088
01:05:38,706 --> 01:05:42,960
It didn't necessarily change the way
I looked at the industry at all.
1089
01:05:43,044 --> 01:05:46,756
If anything, you know,
I knew where the pathogens were
1090
01:05:46,839 --> 01:05:48,340
and how to control them
1091
01:05:48,424 --> 01:05:51,260
and all of those different components
of the industry.
1092
01:05:51,343 --> 01:05:54,680
So I think it just made me
a stronger person in that position.
1093
01:05:55,806 --> 01:05:58,434
[interviewer] Was your nomination
also great news, do you think,
1094
01:05:58,517 --> 01:06:01,604
for the consumers that rely on
the government to keep their food safe?
1095
01:06:01,687 --> 01:06:04,857
Yes. I'm a very strong consumer advocate.
1096
01:06:12,573 --> 01:06:16,452
And, you know, it's not just, you know,
Mindy Brashears, you know.
1097
01:06:16,535 --> 01:06:18,204
It's everyone in government.
1098
01:06:18,287 --> 01:06:22,416
They get into this…
you know, into this political realm.
1099
01:06:22,500 --> 01:06:25,836
And it doesn't seem like they really
1100
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:29,423
are paying attention
to the people's business.
1101
01:06:30,591 --> 01:06:34,345
[interviewer] Have you made a decision
on the Marler petition yet?
1102
01:06:34,428 --> 01:06:35,846
No, we have not.
1103
01:06:35,930 --> 01:06:40,601
We are examining and assessing
the requests in the context
1104
01:06:40,684 --> 01:06:44,855
of our larger salmonella initiative.
1105
01:06:44,939 --> 01:06:49,276
Their goal in each of the petitions
is to do a better job
1106
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:54,949
at reducing salmonella,
the strains that make people sick.
1107
01:06:55,032 --> 01:06:58,160
We have the same exact goal.
1108
01:06:59,620 --> 01:07:04,083
When Mike Taylor deemed
E. coli O157:H7 an adulterant,
1109
01:07:04,166 --> 01:07:05,960
he had complete authority to do that.
1110
01:07:06,043 --> 01:07:08,629
There's absolutely no reason that,
1111
01:07:08,712 --> 01:07:14,844
uh, Sandy Eskin couldn't do exactly
the same thing on her own right now.
1112
01:07:14,927 --> 01:07:16,345
[interviewer] She has the authority?
1113
01:07:16,428 --> 01:07:21,016
Absolutely. She has the authority to deem
salmonella an adulterant in chicken.
1114
01:07:21,100 --> 01:07:22,726
[interviewer] So why doesn't she?
1115
01:07:22,810 --> 01:07:25,521
Because, uh, the industry would…
1116
01:07:25,604 --> 01:07:28,190
And I should say this
knowing that it's chicken,
1117
01:07:28,274 --> 01:07:32,153
the industry would squawk, um,
and they would squawk loudly.
1118
01:07:32,236 --> 01:07:34,238
[chickens clucking loudly]
1119
01:07:36,073 --> 01:07:39,493
I feel like the industry
hasn't held up their end of the bargain.
1120
01:07:40,911 --> 01:07:41,954
You can go to Europe
1121
01:07:42,037 --> 01:07:43,831
and buy packages that are labeled,
1122
01:07:43,914 --> 01:07:45,833
you know, "pathogen-free" there.
1123
01:07:45,916 --> 01:07:47,918
You can't get that in the United States.
1124
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:51,297
[Sarah] They went back to the farm,
1125
01:07:51,380 --> 01:07:54,341
and they prioritized getting rid
of the worst types of salmonella
1126
01:07:54,425 --> 01:07:55,551
that make humans sick.
1127
01:07:56,135 --> 01:07:58,679
[Bill] They vaccinate chicken
against salmonella.
1128
01:07:58,762 --> 01:08:02,474
They sometimes eradicate flocks
that are contaminated with salmonella,
1129
01:08:02,558 --> 01:08:05,936
and they do those interventions
before they hit the slaughterhouse
1130
01:08:06,020 --> 01:08:10,441
because once they hit the slaughterhouse,
you know, it's not gonna help.
1131
01:08:10,941 --> 01:08:12,943
[tense music plays]
1132
01:08:17,198 --> 01:08:20,659
So it's not like we can't do it.
1133
01:08:20,743 --> 01:08:26,373
Um, we just don't have
the political will yet to do it.
1134
01:08:29,210 --> 01:08:31,128
[whirring]
1135
01:08:31,212 --> 01:08:34,131
When you look at what happened
to Stephanie Ingberg,
1136
01:08:34,798 --> 01:08:37,593
there's no question
we're not doing enough.
1137
01:08:37,676 --> 01:08:40,763
The government's not doing enough.
The industry's not doing enough.
1138
01:08:40,846 --> 01:08:42,223
[heart monitor beeping]
1139
01:08:45,184 --> 01:08:47,228
[Scott] Stephanie, you know,
when we first found out
1140
01:08:47,311 --> 01:08:50,856
that first morning that she was back
that she may not live very much longer,
1141
01:08:50,940 --> 01:08:56,362
the fact that she didn't die, uh,
gave us hope. She was still with us.
1142
01:08:56,445 --> 01:08:59,198
She was still in a coma.
We couldn't communicate with her.
1143
01:08:59,281 --> 01:09:01,951
They… they didn't know
why she wasn't waking up.
1144
01:09:02,034 --> 01:09:04,828
And I think that's what led
to the question about the brain injury,
1145
01:09:04,912 --> 01:09:06,205
that she just wasn't waking up.
1146
01:09:06,288 --> 01:09:08,290
[heart monitor beeping]
1147
01:09:09,041 --> 01:09:10,876
The priest came in saying a prayer.
1148
01:09:12,169 --> 01:09:14,922
And during that prayer,
her eyes just started to slit open.
1149
01:09:15,005 --> 01:09:16,924
And that was the first sign of waking up.
1150
01:09:18,217 --> 01:09:19,051
Yeah.
1151
01:09:21,804 --> 01:09:23,472
[sniffles] Okay.
1152
01:09:23,555 --> 01:09:25,975
[Stephanie]
I specifically remember when I woke up,
1153
01:09:26,475 --> 01:09:30,020
everyone was surrounding me,
and everyone was very emotional around me.
1154
01:09:30,104 --> 01:09:32,648
I'm like, "What is the big deal?
Why is everyone so sad right now?"
1155
01:09:32,731 --> 01:09:34,108
"I don't understand."
1156
01:09:34,191 --> 01:09:36,193
[dramatic music plays]
1157
01:09:39,571 --> 01:09:43,993
So they were telling me
that I got, um, a strain of E. coli.
1158
01:09:44,076 --> 01:09:45,077
[Pablo] Okay.
1159
01:09:45,577 --> 01:09:47,705
Do you have any pain when I poke in there?
1160
01:09:47,788 --> 01:09:48,664
-No.
-[Pablo] No.
1161
01:09:49,915 --> 01:09:53,335
[Stephanie] And it can give you HUS,
which is a fatal kidney disease,
1162
01:09:53,419 --> 01:09:54,503
which is what I got.
1163
01:09:58,924 --> 01:10:03,387
[Pablo] This condition in her body was
like a nuclear bomb exploding inside you,
1164
01:10:03,470 --> 01:10:06,015
where it hits every single organ,
1165
01:10:06,098 --> 01:10:08,726
and then you have to get there
and pick up the pieces.
1166
01:10:10,978 --> 01:10:13,522
[Pablo in scene] Okay, good,
we're gonna go to the left side now.
1167
01:10:14,481 --> 01:10:17,943
[Stephanie] It took me a long time
to rebuild my strength.
1168
01:10:18,694 --> 01:10:20,612
-[Pablo] Feels better, huh?
-[chuckles]
1169
01:10:20,696 --> 01:10:24,366
My coma kind of knocked me out
for the hardest parts,
1170
01:10:24,450 --> 01:10:25,784
but I know there were moments
1171
01:10:25,868 --> 01:10:28,787
that my family and my doctors
didn't think I was gonna make it through,
1172
01:10:28,871 --> 01:10:30,539
which has been really hard on them.
1173
01:10:30,622 --> 01:10:34,376
And it's hard for me
to know that I put them through that pain.
1174
01:10:35,085 --> 01:10:35,919
Um…
1175
01:10:38,422 --> 01:10:39,256
But…
1176
01:10:39,757 --> 01:10:40,591
Yeah.
1177
01:10:41,759 --> 01:10:44,928
Control it all the way.
I'm gonna look at your knees as you go.
1178
01:10:45,012 --> 01:10:47,264
[Stephanie]
I had a lot of physical therapy,
1179
01:10:47,348 --> 01:10:50,017
a handful of outpatient dialysis visits.
1180
01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:52,019
I had doctor's appointments every day.
1181
01:10:52,102 --> 01:10:55,522
My mom couldn't go back to work
for months because she had to drive me
1182
01:10:55,606 --> 01:10:58,901
to probably two
or three doctor's appointments every day.
1183
01:10:58,984 --> 01:11:03,697
You know, I had a few goals
set in place that helped motivate me.
1184
01:11:03,781 --> 01:11:05,616
You know, I was graduating in May.
1185
01:11:05,699 --> 01:11:09,370
Being able to, um,
you know, walk at graduation
1186
01:11:10,287 --> 01:11:13,165
was one of my biggest goals
because at the time I couldn't walk.
1187
01:11:13,248 --> 01:11:15,501
[crowd cheering]
1188
01:11:22,049 --> 01:11:23,175
[sniffles]
1189
01:11:23,258 --> 01:11:26,387
And I'm crying,
but I achieved all those goals.
1190
01:11:26,470 --> 01:11:29,848
You know, I… I got to go to prom.
I got to walk at graduation…
1191
01:11:29,932 --> 01:11:31,141
[camera shutter clicks]
1192
01:11:33,894 --> 01:11:36,688
…which, you know,
I feel like I'm pretty lucky
1193
01:11:36,772 --> 01:11:38,941
to be able to say I was able to do,
1194
01:11:39,024 --> 01:11:41,485
given the circumstances. [sniffles]
1195
01:11:42,820 --> 01:11:45,364
You are still having
protein spillage in the urine.
1196
01:11:46,031 --> 01:11:48,409
That is unfortunately not normal.
1197
01:11:48,492 --> 01:11:51,703
And that's why we're using,
uh, this medication, Lisinopril.
1198
01:11:52,246 --> 01:11:54,456
Unfortunately, uh,
1199
01:11:55,457 --> 01:11:59,253
it's been four years now,
and I'm not seeing this going away.
1200
01:12:00,629 --> 01:12:02,923
[Stephanie] I'm kind of nervous
for what the future holds
1201
01:12:03,006 --> 01:12:06,260
with my kidney health and everything.
I try not to think about it.
1202
01:12:07,970 --> 01:12:09,847
I have to take a medication every day
1203
01:12:09,930 --> 01:12:13,851
to try to tighten the filters
in my kidneys.
1204
01:12:14,810 --> 01:12:17,271
I've talked to my nephrologist,
and there's a possibility
1205
01:12:17,354 --> 01:12:19,398
that I might have to get
a kidney transplant.
1206
01:12:19,481 --> 01:12:23,735
I mean, I might have to be
on dialysis for the rest of my life.
1207
01:12:23,819 --> 01:12:25,404
Like, you never wanna hear that.
1208
01:12:25,904 --> 01:12:27,906
[chair creaking]
1209
01:12:30,492 --> 01:12:34,121
[Sarah] I think some people tend
to brush off foodborne illness.
1210
01:12:36,582 --> 01:12:37,875
Oh, it's a little stomach ache.
1211
01:12:37,958 --> 01:12:40,794
You know, it's some extra time
in the bathroom. It's no big deal.
1212
01:12:42,588 --> 01:12:45,424
[Stephanie] It is so much more
than that, you know.
1213
01:12:45,507 --> 01:12:49,720
It's comas and brain damage
and kidney trauma
1214
01:12:49,803 --> 01:12:52,431
and definitely should be taken seriously.
1215
01:12:52,514 --> 01:12:54,600
I ate a salad, and, you know,
1216
01:12:54,683 --> 01:12:58,437
now I have
long-term health effects from it.
1217
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:00,522
[tense music plays]
1218
01:13:02,733 --> 01:13:06,987
[Brian] If you were to develop a list
of the highest-risk foods right now,
1219
01:13:07,070 --> 01:13:10,949
romaine lettuce would be near the top,
if not at the top.
1220
01:13:12,242 --> 01:13:14,578
[interviewer]
I'm curious if you eat romaine?
1221
01:13:14,661 --> 01:13:15,496
I don't.
1222
01:13:16,205 --> 01:13:17,623
[interviewer] Do you eat romaine?
1223
01:13:17,706 --> 01:13:21,668
[splutters] I do steer clear of romaine
for the most part.
1224
01:13:21,752 --> 01:13:22,753
[laughs]
1225
01:13:22,836 --> 01:13:25,214
I mean, I think about it
every time I eat it.
1226
01:13:25,297 --> 01:13:29,092
I, you know…
I've rolled the dice. [laughs]
1227
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:32,721
[interviewer] Are there any foods
that you both absolutely avoid?
1228
01:13:33,222 --> 01:13:37,267
Bagged-- We don't buy
prepackaged bagged salads.
1229
01:13:37,351 --> 01:13:38,268
-Um…
-[Julie] Yeah.
1230
01:13:38,352 --> 01:13:43,941
We kind of tend to shy away from romaine,
especially from Yuma or Salinas.
1231
01:13:45,317 --> 01:13:47,819
[birds chirping]
1232
01:13:52,074 --> 01:13:54,535
[interviewer]
Has the LGMA response prevented
1233
01:13:54,618 --> 01:13:56,745
leafy greens outbreaks in your opinion?
1234
01:13:57,829 --> 01:14:01,375
LGMA has made a significant difference
in this industry.
1235
01:14:02,251 --> 01:14:04,253
[interviewer] Are there any studies
that document
1236
01:14:04,336 --> 01:14:08,048
the improvement of safety
after the implementation of LGMA?
1237
01:14:08,131 --> 01:14:10,217
[inhales, exhales]
1238
01:14:16,098 --> 01:14:17,849
I don't know of any. [inhales]
1239
01:14:17,933 --> 01:14:20,727
[interviewer] So you say
that you feel confident
1240
01:14:20,811 --> 01:14:22,521
that it's prevented certain outbreaks--
1241
01:14:22,604 --> 01:14:23,522
Absolutely.
1242
01:14:23,605 --> 01:14:25,190
[interviewer] I want to run through
1243
01:14:26,149 --> 01:14:28,402
some things that have gone down
the past five years.
1244
01:14:28,485 --> 01:14:31,697
So September 2017,
eight people sick from spinach.
1245
01:14:31,780 --> 01:14:36,994
November 2017, 67 people sick
from another unknown leafy green outbreak.
1246
01:14:37,077 --> 01:14:40,747
Then the following year in March,
a big one, 248 people, five dead.
1247
01:14:40,831 --> 01:14:42,374
April 2018, ten people.
1248
01:14:42,457 --> 01:14:45,669
October 2018,
three separate leafy green outbreaks,
1249
01:14:45,752 --> 01:14:47,170
sickening 135 people.
1250
01:14:47,254 --> 01:14:50,132
November, same thing, 167 people sick.
1251
01:14:50,215 --> 01:14:52,884
November 2019,
two more outbreaks that same year.
1252
01:14:52,968 --> 01:14:55,637
October 2020, 40 people.
1253
01:14:55,721 --> 01:14:57,764
This isn't a great track record, is it?
1254
01:14:58,807 --> 01:15:00,350
I think we have a lot to be proud of.
1255
01:15:00,434 --> 01:15:03,979
Certainly, every one of those
is… is a tragic incident
1256
01:15:04,062 --> 01:15:06,148
and the effect it had on those consumers.
1257
01:15:06,231 --> 01:15:10,819
But I am confident of the progress
that we have made through the LGMA
1258
01:15:10,902 --> 01:15:13,322
and the difference we have made
in the industry.
1259
01:15:15,157 --> 01:15:17,159
[tense music plays]
1260
01:15:19,077 --> 01:15:21,371
[Christine] One thing that jumped out
at me when reporting
1261
01:15:21,455 --> 01:15:23,165
on these romaine lettuce outbreaks
1262
01:15:23,248 --> 01:15:26,293
is how little the federal government
1263
01:15:26,376 --> 01:15:28,337
was doing to address them.
1264
01:15:28,420 --> 01:15:30,881
[machine whirring]
1265
01:15:30,964 --> 01:15:34,009
For many years, we've given
the responsibility to the businesses
1266
01:15:34,092 --> 01:15:37,471
and let them take responsibility,
and that's not working.
1267
01:15:38,347 --> 01:15:39,973
[interviewer] I'm being asked to wrap up.
1268
01:15:40,057 --> 01:15:43,935
What do you want the viewers
to know about this issue?
1269
01:15:44,519 --> 01:15:46,313
Well, I would like your viewers to know
1270
01:15:46,396 --> 01:15:49,524
that the US has among
the safest food systems in the world.
1271
01:15:49,608 --> 01:15:53,779
But we plan to work together
to create an even safer, more digital,
1272
01:15:53,862 --> 01:15:57,824
transparent, and sustainable food system
that's going to be good for consumers.
1273
01:15:57,908 --> 01:16:01,078
It'll be good for producers,
and it will be good for the planet.
1274
01:16:03,622 --> 01:16:05,999
I can't even tell you how many times
1275
01:16:06,083 --> 01:16:10,212
I have heard policymakers,
executives, leaders say the phrase,
1276
01:16:10,295 --> 01:16:12,631
"America has the safest food system
in the world."
1277
01:16:12,714 --> 01:16:17,427
But there seems
to have been this endless cycle
1278
01:16:17,511 --> 01:16:23,308
of failure and outbreaks
and recalls and illnesses and deaths.
1279
01:16:23,392 --> 01:16:25,143
You know, when I hear politicians say,
1280
01:16:25,227 --> 01:16:27,437
"We've got the safest food system
in the world,"
1281
01:16:27,521 --> 01:16:30,607
it's just… it's laughable. We don't have
the safest food system in the world.
1282
01:16:30,691 --> 01:16:33,527
I mean, these pathogens are controllable.
We're not controlling them.
1283
01:16:33,610 --> 01:16:35,946
We're in the United States.
We expect better.
1284
01:16:37,072 --> 01:16:41,535
And when the safety of our food supply
lets us down, it lets us down big-time.
1285
01:16:41,618 --> 01:16:44,955
[dramatic music plays]
1286
01:16:58,844 --> 01:17:00,846
[chickens clucking]
1287
01:17:13,150 --> 01:17:16,903
[Brian] Right now, the government is not
doing enough to protect consumers.
1288
01:17:18,321 --> 01:17:21,408
And then consumers,
because the burden is often on them
1289
01:17:21,491 --> 01:17:22,701
when it gets to that level,
1290
01:17:22,784 --> 01:17:25,996
you know, they have to make sure that
they're taking the proper steps at home.
1291
01:17:26,079 --> 01:17:28,081
[upbeat music plays]
1292
01:17:30,333 --> 01:17:34,504
I would say number one food
on my list that I avoid is cantaloupe.
1293
01:17:35,797 --> 01:17:37,549
You cannot properly clean the outside,
1294
01:17:37,632 --> 01:17:40,594
and once you bring that knife through it,
it's too late.
1295
01:17:40,677 --> 01:17:42,679
And there's no kill step for cantaloupe.
1296
01:17:43,972 --> 01:17:45,807
Number two is sprouts.
1297
01:17:46,641 --> 01:17:49,853
Every other year,
there's a significant outbreak
1298
01:17:49,936 --> 01:17:52,355
where there's just no way to clean them.
1299
01:17:53,690 --> 01:17:56,985
I would say number three
would be bagged lettuce.
1300
01:17:58,361 --> 01:18:01,323
Your spring mix.
Your different salad mixes.
1301
01:18:01,406 --> 01:18:05,160
You don't necessarily know
how many heads of lettuce that came from.
1302
01:18:05,243 --> 01:18:07,496
Or do you even know
if it came from any one place?
1303
01:18:13,168 --> 01:18:16,046
[Bill] All the outbreaks
that I've been involved in
1304
01:18:16,713 --> 01:18:20,842
are triple-washed, bagged,
and shipped around the country.
1305
01:18:22,511 --> 01:18:25,972
You know, buy it in a whole head
and wash it yourself.
1306
01:18:26,598 --> 01:18:28,308
Control your own environment.
1307
01:18:30,727 --> 01:18:32,395
[Sarah] Today,
when we were ordering lunch,
1308
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:35,065
I avoided everything that has
that little star on it on the menu
1309
01:18:35,148 --> 01:18:38,693
saying consumption of undercooked meat
can expose you to risk.
1310
01:18:38,777 --> 01:18:41,029
So there was
some raw fish they were serving,
1311
01:18:41,112 --> 01:18:42,906
and I, uh, took a pass on that one.
1312
01:18:45,951 --> 01:18:49,037
[Timothy] You need to decide, "Am I
a person who loves raw oysters enough
1313
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:53,166
that I want to take the risks
that are associated with raw oysters?"
1314
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,753
[Sarah] I don't wanna be one
of those people who ends up losing a limb
1315
01:18:56,837 --> 01:18:58,755
because of, uh, you know, a night out.
1316
01:18:58,839 --> 01:19:00,131
Yeah.
1317
01:19:02,300 --> 01:19:03,927
Thank you. Thank you very much.
1318
01:19:04,010 --> 01:19:05,053
Thanks.
1319
01:19:07,347 --> 01:19:08,515
What are you having?
1320
01:19:09,057 --> 01:19:14,271
I'm gonna have a hamburger cooked
to 155 degrees internal temperature,
1321
01:19:14,771 --> 01:19:16,398
uh, french fries,
1322
01:19:16,481 --> 01:19:17,440
and that's it.
1323
01:19:17,524 --> 01:19:18,859
[server] Okay. You got it.
1324
01:19:19,359 --> 01:19:21,987
[burgers sizzling]
1325
01:19:22,070 --> 01:19:25,240
[Ben] When you go to a restaurant
and you want to order a hamburger,
1326
01:19:25,323 --> 01:19:28,118
the best thing to do
is order to temperature,
1327
01:19:28,702 --> 01:19:33,039
because medium rare, rare, well-done,
those are all subjective.
1328
01:19:33,123 --> 01:19:36,543
You can't look at color
or whether juices run clear.
1329
01:19:36,626 --> 01:19:39,963
And if they say, "We don't have
a thermometer. We can't cook to that."
1330
01:19:40,046 --> 01:19:41,840
Then I'd order something else.
1331
01:19:41,923 --> 01:19:42,966
[bell dings]
1332
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:53,393
I think when I first started
doing this kind of work,
1333
01:19:53,476 --> 01:19:54,895
I kind of thought that,
1334
01:19:55,604 --> 01:19:58,857
you know, if you sued enough people
and you took enough money,
1335
01:19:58,940 --> 01:20:00,734
that that would change their behavior.
1336
01:20:00,817 --> 01:20:03,862
I just turned 64, you know,
1337
01:20:03,945 --> 01:20:08,283
and I just don't feel like
I've accomplished what I was hoping to do.
1338
01:20:09,075 --> 01:20:10,118
So…
1339
01:20:10,201 --> 01:20:14,456
'Cause I really did think, you know…
I really did think that, you know,
1340
01:20:14,539 --> 01:20:17,292
by the time I got to this stage that,
1341
01:20:18,084 --> 01:20:22,339
um, you know, this kind of thing
wouldn't be happening anymore.
1342
01:20:23,214 --> 01:20:24,424
But it happens
1343
01:20:24,925 --> 01:20:25,884
all the time.
1344
01:20:26,384 --> 01:20:30,013
♪ Buried, banging at your door ♪
1345
01:20:32,682 --> 01:20:34,935
♪ Don't hear a sound… ♪
1346
01:20:35,018 --> 01:20:39,606
After my son died,
I assumed that either the government,
1347
01:20:40,315 --> 01:20:41,858
you know, laws and policies,
1348
01:20:41,942 --> 01:20:44,611
or science and technology
would take care of this.
1349
01:20:44,694 --> 01:20:49,491
We wouldn't be dealing with food safety
like we're talking about in 1993.
1350
01:20:50,825 --> 01:20:52,827
♪ A rising steam… ♪
1351
01:20:54,996 --> 01:20:59,751
Regulators have the ability
to set the tone and to build a framework
1352
01:20:59,834 --> 01:21:02,170
that encourages industry
to do the right thing.
1353
01:21:02,253 --> 01:21:04,381
♪ On the devil's tree ♪
1354
01:21:06,424 --> 01:21:08,218
♪ I clutched a branch… ♪
1355
01:21:08,301 --> 01:21:12,138
If the public makes their voices heard
1356
01:21:13,098 --> 01:21:16,810
and puts pressure on their legislators,
1357
01:21:16,893 --> 01:21:20,772
let them know that this is not acceptable,
1358
01:21:20,855 --> 01:21:26,403
then I believe, yes,
legislators will act on their behalf.
1359
01:21:27,487 --> 01:21:30,323
♪ I walk alone ♪
1360
01:21:30,407 --> 01:21:32,450
♪ Beside myself… ♪
1361
01:21:32,534 --> 01:21:35,996
I think you just have to keep fighting
the battles that are in front of you,
1362
01:21:36,079 --> 01:21:39,332
and I still think
there are things more to do, um,
1363
01:21:39,416 --> 01:21:41,793
so I guess I got to get busy.
1364
01:21:41,876 --> 01:21:45,505
["Flesh and Bone" by Black Math continues]
1365
01:21:54,305 --> 01:21:55,598
♪ Ah ♪
1366
01:21:57,684 --> 01:22:01,146
♪ Ooh-ooh-ooh ♪
1367
01:22:05,608 --> 01:22:09,863
♪ Ah ♪
1368
01:22:09,946 --> 01:22:12,282
♪ I walk alone ♪
1369
01:22:13,033 --> 01:22:15,535
♪ Beside myself ♪
1370
01:22:16,286 --> 01:22:18,663
♪ Nowhere to go ♪
1371
01:22:22,667 --> 01:22:25,211
♪ This bleeding heart ♪
1372
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:29,007
♪ Is in my hands ♪
1373
01:22:29,090 --> 01:22:32,260
♪ I fell apart ♪
1374
01:22:32,343 --> 01:22:35,555
♪ My flesh and bone ♪
1375
01:22:38,641 --> 01:22:41,811
♪ My flesh and bone ♪
1376
01:22:43,480 --> 01:22:45,273
♪ Ah ♪
1377
01:22:45,356 --> 01:22:48,068
♪ My flesh and bone ♪
1378
01:22:48,151 --> 01:22:51,446
["Flesh and Bone" by Black Math ends]
1379
01:22:53,198 --> 01:22:55,867
[sizzling]
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