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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,946 --> 00:00:10,657 [scanner beeping] 2 00:00:16,162 --> 00:00:17,914 [scanner beeping] 3 00:00:18,498 --> 00:00:21,167 You know, we're told to eat healthy, 4 00:00:21,251 --> 00:00:24,963 to sort of shop the perimeters of the grocery stores, 5 00:00:25,046 --> 00:00:27,298 but I think what a lot of people don't realize 6 00:00:27,382 --> 00:00:31,719 is… this also may be the riskiest areas. 7 00:00:31,803 --> 00:00:33,805 [somber music plays] 8 00:00:38,017 --> 00:00:39,727 You know, when I look around, 9 00:00:39,811 --> 00:00:43,857 I probably see 10, 15 different items. 10 00:00:43,940 --> 00:00:47,402 The product's been contaminated, or I sued companies on behalf of victims. 11 00:00:47,485 --> 00:00:49,487 [suspenseful music plays] 12 00:00:53,700 --> 00:00:57,287 [chuckles] I've litigated plenty of cases of romaine lettuce. 13 00:00:57,370 --> 00:01:00,290 Cut fruit, you know, countless outbreaks. 14 00:01:00,373 --> 00:01:01,541 Cut cantaloupe. 15 00:01:01,624 --> 00:01:02,625 Strawberries. 16 00:01:02,709 --> 00:01:03,751 Caramel apples. 17 00:01:03,835 --> 00:01:06,379 Tomatoes. Onions. Cookie dough. 18 00:01:06,462 --> 00:01:08,173 The Similac infant formula. 19 00:01:08,256 --> 00:01:09,465 Lucky Charms. 20 00:01:09,549 --> 00:01:13,344 Chicken, you know, all these products are likely contaminated. 21 00:01:13,428 --> 00:01:15,430 [suspenseful music continues] 22 00:01:18,183 --> 00:01:22,103 It starts to feel, though, like nothing is safe, and you can't eat. Right? 23 00:01:22,187 --> 00:01:26,566 Yeah, I mean, you know, the industry, they send us these mixed messages. 24 00:01:26,649 --> 00:01:29,235 They want us to buy their product, 25 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:34,157 but they ultimately don't want to be responsible… for what they produce. 26 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:35,200 Until I show up. 27 00:01:35,783 --> 00:01:39,537 ["On the Beautiful Blue Danube" by Balfe, Emanuel & Kofsky plays] 28 00:01:43,458 --> 00:01:47,837 We have by far the safest food supply in the entire world. 29 00:01:47,921 --> 00:01:50,173 [woman 1] The safest food supply in the world. 30 00:01:50,256 --> 00:01:52,383 Let's remember one thing, we have the safest food supply 31 00:01:52,467 --> 00:01:54,260 in the world right here in the US. 32 00:01:54,344 --> 00:01:57,430 [reporter 1] The FDA is investigating a hepatitis A outbreak, 33 00:01:57,513 --> 00:01:59,807 possibly linked to organic fresh strawberries. 34 00:01:59,891 --> 00:02:01,935 A multistate salmonella outbreak. 35 00:02:02,018 --> 00:02:05,772 Health experts believe it is linked to some Jif peanut butter products. 36 00:02:05,855 --> 00:02:08,483 [reporter 2] The recalls come after at least two infant deaths 37 00:02:08,566 --> 00:02:11,903 and several illnesses were potentially tied to formula. 38 00:02:11,986 --> 00:02:15,740 [reporter 3] A variety of brands of raw cake mix have infected 16 people, 39 00:02:15,823 --> 00:02:17,951 one of which developed a type of kidney failure. 40 00:02:18,034 --> 00:02:21,371 [woman 2] We talk about our food supply being the safest in the world, 41 00:02:21,454 --> 00:02:22,622 and I believe it is. 42 00:02:22,705 --> 00:02:26,542 [reporter 4] People reported getting sick, being hospitalized for liver dysfunction, 43 00:02:26,626 --> 00:02:29,545 and even having their gallbladders removed in some cases. 44 00:02:29,629 --> 00:02:32,173 [reporter 5] One in four pieces of raw chicken 45 00:02:32,257 --> 00:02:34,425 is contaminated with salmonella. 46 00:02:34,509 --> 00:02:37,220 [reporter 6] The CDC announced another E. coli outbreak 47 00:02:37,303 --> 00:02:38,554 is impacting romaine lettuce. 48 00:02:38,638 --> 00:02:42,016 We have the safest food supply in the world. 49 00:02:42,100 --> 00:02:44,143 [reporter 7] Melons from a Colorado farm 50 00:02:44,227 --> 00:02:46,938 are contaminated with what is called "listeria." 51 00:02:47,021 --> 00:02:49,816 [reporter 8] Every four minutes, someone is rushed to the hospital 52 00:02:49,899 --> 00:02:51,734 because the food they ate made them sick. 53 00:02:51,818 --> 00:02:54,821 We must continue to have the safest food supply in the world. 54 00:02:54,904 --> 00:02:56,197 Safest food in the world. 55 00:02:56,281 --> 00:02:57,824 [man 1] Safest food supply in the world. 56 00:02:57,907 --> 00:02:58,950 Safest food supply. 57 00:02:59,033 --> 00:03:00,702 [woman 3] Safest food supply in the world. 58 00:03:00,785 --> 00:03:04,956 [man 2] We have the best, most efficient, safest food supply in the entire world. 59 00:03:05,039 --> 00:03:06,791 By golly, we need to keep it that way. 60 00:03:06,874 --> 00:03:11,087 ["On the Beautiful Blue Danube" by Balfe, Emanuel & Kofsky ends] 61 00:03:13,464 --> 00:03:16,092 [news theme music plays] 62 00:03:16,175 --> 00:03:19,053 [announcer] Now, live at 11 o'clock. 63 00:03:19,137 --> 00:03:22,015 The warning tonight from health officials here in the Northwest. 64 00:03:22,098 --> 00:03:25,059 They say you should be on the lookout for a life-threatening illness 65 00:03:25,143 --> 00:03:26,519 that's cropping up in our area. 66 00:03:26,602 --> 00:03:27,770 Forty-five people are… 67 00:03:27,854 --> 00:03:30,773 [Bill] I actually remember this like it was yesterday. 68 00:03:31,357 --> 00:03:33,359 [somber music plays] 69 00:03:37,488 --> 00:03:41,909 There was an E. coli outbreak in the state of Washington 70 00:03:41,993 --> 00:03:44,078 linked to something unknown. 71 00:03:47,623 --> 00:03:49,459 [man] The whole problem started 72 00:03:49,542 --> 00:03:55,423 when a pediatric infectious-disease specialist called me and said, 73 00:03:55,506 --> 00:03:59,302 "I've got 11 people who I've seen 74 00:03:59,385 --> 00:04:03,931 in about 30 hours with E. coli O157." 75 00:04:04,015 --> 00:04:06,726 I've never seen anything like this before. 76 00:04:06,809 --> 00:04:09,520 And that was a big red light for me 77 00:04:09,604 --> 00:04:12,315 that something bad was going on. 78 00:04:12,398 --> 00:04:15,818 [reporter 1] Seven new cases of E. coli poisoning were confirmed… 79 00:04:15,902 --> 00:04:18,029 [reporter 2] …E. coli patients remain hospitalized. 80 00:04:18,112 --> 00:04:21,074 [reporter 3] There are 21 kids in Western Washington hospitals. 81 00:04:21,157 --> 00:04:24,535 Some experts say it's all about to get worse. 82 00:04:24,619 --> 00:04:26,788 [John] We had no idea that it would be 83 00:04:26,871 --> 00:04:30,041 the largest foodborne outbreak in the United States. 84 00:04:33,419 --> 00:04:35,296 [somber music plays] 85 00:04:35,380 --> 00:04:37,340 [man] I had just transferred from active duty. 86 00:04:37,423 --> 00:04:39,675 I was a nuclear engineer on a submarine in the Navy. 87 00:04:40,968 --> 00:04:42,345 I had a wife. 88 00:04:42,428 --> 00:04:46,391 I had a nine-year-old son and a 16-month-old son at the time. 89 00:04:48,101 --> 00:04:52,313 There had already been some news-- Some rumblings about an E. coli outbreak. 90 00:04:53,189 --> 00:04:55,817 But it didn't mean anything to me. I never heard of E. coli. 91 00:04:55,900 --> 00:04:57,360 "What's the worst that could happen?" 92 00:04:57,443 --> 00:04:59,987 E. coli poisoning is a fairly new illness. 93 00:05:00,071 --> 00:05:04,617 Not much is known about why the bacteria causes some people to get so sick. 94 00:05:04,700 --> 00:05:07,995 Mr. Kobayashi, can you tell us, uh, the concern seems to be with secondary… 95 00:05:08,079 --> 00:05:12,792 [John] A big part of the outbreak was explaining what E. coli O157 was. 96 00:05:12,875 --> 00:05:18,589 I felt like I was, uh, Tony Fauci for a couple of weeks. [chuckles] 97 00:05:18,673 --> 00:05:24,095 The average incubation period for most, uh, people is three to four days. 98 00:05:24,178 --> 00:05:29,517 The problem is that it can take up to nine days before a person becomes ill. 99 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:34,105 The mainstay of disease prevention, uh, for this type of illness 100 00:05:34,188 --> 00:05:36,983 is thorough washing of hands, uh, either when… 101 00:05:37,066 --> 00:05:40,987 E. coli is a general category of bacteria, 102 00:05:41,070 --> 00:05:46,200 and they're natural inhabitants of everybody's intestines. 103 00:05:47,076 --> 00:05:50,413 There are many, many different kinds of E. coli. 104 00:05:50,496 --> 00:05:52,415 Most don't do any harm at all. 105 00:05:53,458 --> 00:05:56,794 But there are certain ones, like E. coli O157, 106 00:05:56,878 --> 00:05:58,546 that can make you real sick. 107 00:05:58,629 --> 00:06:00,506 [tense music plays] 108 00:06:00,590 --> 00:06:02,300 Within a couple of days, 109 00:06:02,383 --> 00:06:07,805 it became clear that it was linked to Jack in the Box undercooked hamburgers. 110 00:06:07,889 --> 00:06:11,476 More than 150 people have become ill after eating tainted hamburger meat 111 00:06:11,559 --> 00:06:14,479 at Jack in the Box restaurants in Idaho and Washington State. 112 00:06:14,562 --> 00:06:16,022 One child has died. 113 00:06:17,315 --> 00:06:20,067 So one of the big problems with E. coli O157 114 00:06:20,151 --> 00:06:22,361 is they produce what's called a Shiga toxin. 115 00:06:23,529 --> 00:06:27,200 They get into the gut and then start pumping out this toxin, 116 00:06:27,283 --> 00:06:31,579 and that toxin gets into the blood, and that will kill blood cells, 117 00:06:31,662 --> 00:06:35,374 and then those lysed blood cells end up causing organ failure, 118 00:06:35,458 --> 00:06:36,959 the kidneys to shut down. 119 00:06:38,085 --> 00:06:40,296 And that's how kids die. 120 00:06:41,464 --> 00:06:45,092 There are now more than 312 cases in our state alone. 121 00:06:45,176 --> 00:06:47,094 And today there was another death. 122 00:06:48,095 --> 00:06:51,140 So when the Jack in the Box case hit, 123 00:06:51,724 --> 00:06:54,936 I was my fourth year out of law school. 124 00:06:55,019 --> 00:06:56,437 I was 34 years old. 125 00:06:57,772 --> 00:07:02,235 I got a phone call from a former client of mine 126 00:07:02,318 --> 00:07:06,531 who had a friend whose daughter, Brianne Kiner, was in the hospital. 127 00:07:08,282 --> 00:07:10,368 They asked me to go meet with them. 128 00:07:10,451 --> 00:07:14,539 She'd been hospitalized for, you know, four and a half, five months by then. 129 00:07:14,622 --> 00:07:17,416 There's so many mechanical things going on 130 00:07:17,500 --> 00:07:20,836 and wires going into her and tubes going into her. 131 00:07:21,379 --> 00:07:25,216 And I walked out of the room. I was crying. 132 00:07:25,299 --> 00:07:28,427 Because it was just really difficult, you know? 133 00:07:28,511 --> 00:07:31,180 It's difficult even today to think about, you know, 134 00:07:31,264 --> 00:07:32,932 Brianne in that situation. 135 00:07:33,015 --> 00:07:35,893 You know, she was… she was so vulnerable. 136 00:07:35,977 --> 00:07:38,229 And she just ate a freakin' hamburger. 137 00:07:38,312 --> 00:07:40,690 [tense music continues] 138 00:07:40,773 --> 00:07:45,152 The board of directors of Jack in the Box is ordering a full investigation 139 00:07:45,236 --> 00:07:46,779 into the deadly mistake. 140 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,615 The investigators and the health department, 141 00:07:50,533 --> 00:07:53,911 they were able to determine that my kid got sick from this other kid 142 00:07:53,995 --> 00:07:55,329 at the daycare center. 143 00:07:57,206 --> 00:08:00,501 [reporter] Children's Hospital is treating 18 children this evening, 144 00:08:00,585 --> 00:08:02,128 four of whom got E. coli 145 00:08:02,211 --> 00:08:04,714 not from hamburgers but from someone else, 146 00:08:04,797 --> 00:08:06,299 a secondary infection. 147 00:08:06,382 --> 00:08:08,301 [heart monitor beeping] 148 00:08:09,343 --> 00:08:12,054 [Darin] All of a sudden, there were two new doctors that came in. 149 00:08:12,555 --> 00:08:14,807 They announced that they believed 150 00:08:14,890 --> 00:08:17,476 he had developed what's called hemolytic uremic syndrome. 151 00:08:18,394 --> 00:08:20,479 Which essentially is, 152 00:08:20,563 --> 00:08:22,356 when it gets so bad, 153 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,861 the E. coli basically was eating him away from the inside. 154 00:08:26,944 --> 00:08:29,614 That it was one organ after another. 155 00:08:30,823 --> 00:08:35,077 I remember saving newspaper clippings, thinking someday I'll be able to 156 00:08:36,704 --> 00:08:38,998 communicate with my son and tell him how… 157 00:08:40,708 --> 00:08:42,043 how brave he was 158 00:08:43,002 --> 00:08:45,880 and how proud I was of him. 159 00:08:48,341 --> 00:08:51,218 [reporter] I'd like to introduce Vicki and Darin Detwiler, 160 00:08:51,302 --> 00:08:54,680 whose 16-month-old son remains in critical condition 161 00:08:54,764 --> 00:08:56,641 at Tacoma's Mary Bridge Hospital. 162 00:08:56,724 --> 00:08:58,476 My question to you now is, 163 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,479 what are you prepared to do in regards to the tainted-meat problem? 164 00:09:01,562 --> 00:09:06,108 First of all, we've got to make it clear to people who are providing fast food 165 00:09:06,192 --> 00:09:09,779 that they've got to do everything they can to comply with our cooking regulations… 166 00:09:09,862 --> 00:09:12,782 [John] The regulation in the United States 167 00:09:12,865 --> 00:09:19,121 was that hamburger should be cooked to at least 140 degrees. 168 00:09:19,205 --> 00:09:20,414 [thermometer beeping] 169 00:09:20,498 --> 00:09:22,291 In Washington State, 170 00:09:22,375 --> 00:09:28,172 we had changed that law to 155 degrees because we noticed 171 00:09:28,255 --> 00:09:31,634 that many of the people with O157 172 00:09:31,717 --> 00:09:34,053 had eaten poorly cooked hamburger. 173 00:09:35,471 --> 00:09:37,765 [reporter] There's been lots of attention on this story, 174 00:09:37,848 --> 00:09:40,351 but I think there is still some confusion. 175 00:09:40,935 --> 00:09:44,313 Was it undercooking or contaminated beef that caused the problem? 176 00:09:44,397 --> 00:09:49,735 Barry, I think that some of that confusion has been probably from industry statements 177 00:09:49,819 --> 00:09:54,115 trying to avoid some of the blame for this. The answer is both. 178 00:09:54,198 --> 00:09:57,827 The company was not following the procedure 179 00:09:57,910 --> 00:10:01,038 that was required by the state of Washington, 180 00:10:01,122 --> 00:10:03,332 which the company said they didn't know anything about. 181 00:10:04,166 --> 00:10:05,751 [reporter] Do you believe, in retrospect, 182 00:10:05,835 --> 00:10:09,672 that Jack in the Box chose not to pay attention to certain things, like the law? 183 00:10:10,756 --> 00:10:12,675 No, I don't believe that at all. 184 00:10:12,758 --> 00:10:16,387 We would never choose not to pay attention to the law. 185 00:10:17,304 --> 00:10:20,725 Why… why would a company choose not to pay attention to the law? 186 00:10:21,225 --> 00:10:23,853 [tense music plays] 187 00:10:24,895 --> 00:10:30,401 [Bill] During discovery, they dumped on me about a million pages of documents. 188 00:10:31,152 --> 00:10:35,906 I am pretty confident that they thought that I wouldn't go through them, 189 00:10:35,990 --> 00:10:39,118 but we started finding things that were really interesting. 190 00:10:40,035 --> 00:10:42,496 An employee of Jack in the Box 191 00:10:42,580 --> 00:10:46,584 sent a letter in the suggestion box to corporate headquarters saying, 192 00:10:46,667 --> 00:10:50,796 "Hey, we're undercooking our hamburgers, and we're having customer complaints." 193 00:10:51,672 --> 00:10:55,301 And then you could see the real paper trail. 194 00:10:55,926 --> 00:10:59,430 Not only did they receive the new regulations 195 00:10:59,513 --> 00:11:02,099 from the state of Washington for increased cook times 196 00:11:02,892 --> 00:11:05,644 but that they actually thought about it 197 00:11:05,728 --> 00:11:08,898 and made the decision to essentially ignore it. 198 00:11:08,981 --> 00:11:13,861 [tense music continues, ends] 199 00:11:13,944 --> 00:11:15,362 Once I had that, 200 00:11:16,947 --> 00:11:21,869 I called up the lawyer for Jack in the Box and said, you know, "You're done." 201 00:11:21,952 --> 00:11:25,956 Jack in the Box now admits it misplaced a Washington State advisory 202 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:30,002 directing that all hamburgers must be cooked at 155 degrees. 203 00:11:30,085 --> 00:11:32,588 Jack in the Box says it found the advisory when… 204 00:11:32,671 --> 00:11:36,133 As a parent, you try to protect your kids. 205 00:11:36,217 --> 00:11:40,638 And then something that's invisible comes along that you don't know about, 206 00:11:40,721 --> 00:11:42,890 that you've never even heard of. [inhales] 207 00:11:45,351 --> 00:11:46,977 It's so devastating. 208 00:11:48,354 --> 00:11:52,024 Doctor says, "You're gonna ask about second opinion 209 00:11:52,107 --> 00:11:56,821 and third opinion, but there's zero chance of recovery at this point." 210 00:11:57,530 --> 00:12:01,283 That, uh, "There's been so much organ damage, 211 00:12:01,367 --> 00:12:05,287 and we're not able to get enough oxygen into him 212 00:12:05,371 --> 00:12:08,666 and that the amount of brain damage at this point, 213 00:12:08,749 --> 00:12:11,210 keeping him on life support any longer 214 00:12:12,670 --> 00:12:15,339 would be… abusive." 215 00:12:15,923 --> 00:12:17,258 Um… 216 00:12:17,341 --> 00:12:19,927 "It's just… it's not going to do anything." 217 00:12:21,428 --> 00:12:25,558 I asked them to take everything off so I could hold him for a little while. 218 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,688 And I actually had to get Dr. Crane to come and… and check 219 00:12:30,771 --> 00:12:34,066 because somehow I kept thinking that if I just held him close enough, 220 00:12:34,149 --> 00:12:37,570 that his heart would keep on beating and that he'd keep on breathing. 221 00:12:38,362 --> 00:12:41,740 [sad music plays] 222 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:44,743 [Marion] Four children died. 223 00:12:45,286 --> 00:12:46,996 I mean, can you imagine? 224 00:12:47,079 --> 00:12:50,749 They died from a hamburger at Jack in the Box. 225 00:12:51,417 --> 00:12:56,130 If you're the parent of one of those kids, this is beyond your comprehension. 226 00:12:56,213 --> 00:13:01,760 And I have to say that E. coli O157 deaths are pretty awful. 227 00:13:02,303 --> 00:13:03,971 They're not nice deaths. 228 00:13:04,054 --> 00:13:07,016 [indistinct background chatter] 229 00:13:08,517 --> 00:13:12,605 [Darin] Jack in the Box lawyers met with us and offered us a settlement 230 00:13:12,688 --> 00:13:16,150 that included essentially a gag order that we could never talk about it. 231 00:13:16,233 --> 00:13:17,818 And I had already made the decision 232 00:13:17,902 --> 00:13:20,696 that there's no way I was gonna keep quiet for the rest of my life 233 00:13:20,779 --> 00:13:23,282 about what was the cause of my son's death. 234 00:13:23,365 --> 00:13:25,618 I couldn't handle the idea of not doing anything, 235 00:13:25,701 --> 00:13:27,786 even if that meant that I needed to change careers. 236 00:13:27,870 --> 00:13:30,331 I am a professor and assistant dean 237 00:13:30,414 --> 00:13:33,959 focused on regulatory affairs of food and food industries… 238 00:13:34,043 --> 00:13:37,087 [off camera] I teach about food safety and food policy as a professor. 239 00:13:37,171 --> 00:13:38,505 I teach grad students. 240 00:13:38,589 --> 00:13:44,386 I had to try to do something to prevent others from being in the same situation. 241 00:13:45,095 --> 00:13:46,096 Good evening, everyone. 242 00:13:46,180 --> 00:13:49,558 It's the largest personal injury settlement ever in our state. 243 00:13:49,642 --> 00:13:52,102 It looks like the parent company for Jack in the Box restaurants 244 00:13:52,186 --> 00:13:55,397 will have to pay millions of dollars for serving undercooked hamburgers. 245 00:13:55,481 --> 00:13:58,484 Settlement is expected to cost Jack in the Box at least $10 million. 246 00:13:58,567 --> 00:13:59,944 $4.4 million. 247 00:14:00,027 --> 00:14:02,071 $15.6 million. 248 00:14:02,154 --> 00:14:07,952 We're very confident that, uh, that money will be sufficient 249 00:14:08,035 --> 00:14:11,372 to care for Brianne over the course of her life, however… 250 00:14:11,455 --> 00:14:14,583 [man] Bill Marler not only became the most important attorney 251 00:14:14,667 --> 00:14:17,795 in terms of handling lawsuits against the companies 252 00:14:17,878 --> 00:14:20,005 that are responsible for those outbreaks, 253 00:14:20,089 --> 00:14:22,841 but he's also become a much larger advocate. 254 00:14:22,925 --> 00:14:25,636 I'm tired of visiting with horribly sick kids 255 00:14:25,719 --> 00:14:27,930 who did not have to be sick in the first place. 256 00:14:28,013 --> 00:14:28,931 I am outraged… 257 00:14:29,014 --> 00:14:31,308 He has become one of the dominant voices 258 00:14:31,392 --> 00:14:33,310 in food safety reform in the United States, 259 00:14:33,394 --> 00:14:35,646 having started out as a plaintiff's attorney. 260 00:14:36,939 --> 00:14:40,901 [interviewer] Specific to Jack in the Box, how did the burgers get contaminated? 261 00:14:41,402 --> 00:14:44,279 [hesitates] So, we don't know exactly 262 00:14:44,363 --> 00:14:48,659 how the Jack in the Box hamburger got contaminated, 263 00:14:48,742 --> 00:14:51,829 but, you know, generally, we know how it happens. 264 00:14:51,912 --> 00:14:54,164 [tense music plays] 265 00:14:54,248 --> 00:14:57,084 It's usually in the slaughter facility. 266 00:14:57,835 --> 00:15:01,714 It's, uh, nicking of a gut of a cow during slaughter. 267 00:15:03,716 --> 00:15:08,637 But the whole meat industry was premised on the fact that the slaughterhouses 268 00:15:08,721 --> 00:15:13,809 and the beef packers could essentially do whatever they wanted to do. 269 00:15:15,686 --> 00:15:18,230 And it was up to consumers 270 00:15:19,857 --> 00:15:23,068 to cook the E. coli out of the product. 271 00:15:23,652 --> 00:15:25,904 [birds chirping] 272 00:15:27,614 --> 00:15:31,910 If you buy a piece of steak, that's a piece of meat from one animal. 273 00:15:32,870 --> 00:15:36,874 If there is E. coli, it's on the outside. It's not in the middle. 274 00:15:36,957 --> 00:15:39,960 So searing the steak would help kill that. 275 00:15:41,587 --> 00:15:45,090 The problem is that when you buy ground beef, 276 00:15:45,174 --> 00:15:48,594 you now take the outsides, and they're part of the insides. 277 00:15:50,012 --> 00:15:52,848 [tense music continues] 278 00:15:52,931 --> 00:15:55,142 Not only are you bringing all the animals together 279 00:15:55,225 --> 00:15:56,977 and slaughtering them in the same facility, 280 00:15:57,061 --> 00:15:59,646 now you're taking chunks of multiple animals, 281 00:15:59,730 --> 00:16:02,149 and you're grinding them up into one big mess. 282 00:16:04,109 --> 00:16:08,822 [Marion] Hamburger, sometimes, is the result of mixing meat 283 00:16:08,906 --> 00:16:11,909 from as many as 400 animals. 284 00:16:11,992 --> 00:16:14,745 [chuckling] Kind of awful to think about. 285 00:16:14,828 --> 00:16:19,041 If one of those animals has this toxic form of E. coli, 286 00:16:19,124 --> 00:16:20,292 you're in trouble. 287 00:16:24,088 --> 00:16:26,465 [Bill] In the aftermath of Jack in the Box, 288 00:16:26,548 --> 00:16:30,677 you know, people from USDA met with victims, 289 00:16:30,761 --> 00:16:33,639 and, you know, the Clinton Administration, to their credit, 290 00:16:33,722 --> 00:16:36,683 brought in people who were pretty activist. 291 00:16:36,767 --> 00:16:37,810 Mike? 292 00:16:37,893 --> 00:16:40,104 [Bill] You know, Mike Taylor being one. 293 00:16:40,187 --> 00:16:42,815 We intend to reduce the risk of foodborne illness 294 00:16:42,898 --> 00:16:45,818 associated with the consumption of meat and poultry products 295 00:16:45,901 --> 00:16:48,195 to the maximum extent possible. 296 00:16:48,278 --> 00:16:49,321 [assistant] Thank you. 297 00:16:51,115 --> 00:16:54,701 [Mike] The official policy of the USDA was 298 00:16:54,785 --> 00:16:58,956 that this is not the responsibility of the regulatory system or the industry. 299 00:16:59,039 --> 00:17:01,250 Consumers are expected to cook these products 300 00:17:01,333 --> 00:17:02,835 and make them safe themselves. 301 00:17:02,918 --> 00:17:05,921 The bottom line is that raw meat contains bacteria. 302 00:17:06,505 --> 00:17:08,632 And proper cooking kills bacteria. 303 00:17:09,675 --> 00:17:11,135 [Mike] To mothers that lost children, 304 00:17:11,218 --> 00:17:14,596 to people whose families had been harmed by this outbreak, 305 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,392 that was, uh, a shocking and highly unacceptable revelation. 306 00:17:21,562 --> 00:17:25,816 We simply had to take action immediately to try to change the dynamic. 307 00:17:25,899 --> 00:17:29,736 And so I did make the decision that we would declare 308 00:17:29,820 --> 00:17:32,239 O157:H7 to be an adulterant, 309 00:17:32,322 --> 00:17:35,534 and raw ground beef in the marketplace would be deemed illegal, 310 00:17:35,617 --> 00:17:39,121 and USDA could take action to remove it quickly from the market. 311 00:17:39,830 --> 00:17:41,373 That was a big game changer. 312 00:17:41,456 --> 00:17:43,709 It meant that it can't be in the meat. 313 00:17:43,792 --> 00:17:47,171 If it was in the meat, you had to pull it off the marketplace. 314 00:17:47,254 --> 00:17:49,256 [tense music plays] 315 00:17:51,091 --> 00:17:54,595 You know, the rates that you see today are very minimal, 316 00:17:54,678 --> 00:17:58,891 and you rarely see an E. coli outbreak involving ground beef, 317 00:17:58,974 --> 00:18:04,354 so it's a strong argument of just how much those reforms had an impact. 318 00:18:04,438 --> 00:18:06,148 [tense music ends] 319 00:18:08,609 --> 00:18:09,943 [Bill] Thirty years ago, 320 00:18:10,485 --> 00:18:14,114 all the work that I did was E. coli cases linked to hamburger. 321 00:18:14,198 --> 00:18:16,617 [inhales] Today, that's zero. 322 00:18:16,700 --> 00:18:18,827 I mean, it's a success story. 323 00:18:18,911 --> 00:18:20,913 [suspenseful music plays] 324 00:18:27,586 --> 00:18:30,339 It used to be the biggest E. coli threat was from hamburgers. 325 00:18:30,422 --> 00:18:33,550 So you'd think, "Okay, as long as I don't eat hamburgers, I'm okay." 326 00:18:33,634 --> 00:18:36,303 And the CDC with a warning this afternoon 327 00:18:36,386 --> 00:18:39,181 about an E. coli outbreak linked to baby spinach. 328 00:18:39,264 --> 00:18:41,350 [reporter 1] Health officials are warning consumers 329 00:18:41,433 --> 00:18:44,853 to not eat Josie's Organics organic baby spinach. 330 00:18:44,937 --> 00:18:49,358 [reporter 2] Several cases of E. coli linked to organic power greens. 331 00:18:49,441 --> 00:18:52,110 [Christine] And now E. coli is 332 00:18:52,194 --> 00:18:56,573 by far, uh, caused by lettuce more than ground beef. 333 00:18:56,657 --> 00:18:58,784 When you eat a hamburger, 334 00:18:58,867 --> 00:19:02,704 the most dangerous part of that is not the burger. 335 00:19:02,788 --> 00:19:06,792 It's going to be the onion, lettuce, and the tomatoes. 336 00:19:08,460 --> 00:19:10,462 -[birds chirping] -[dog barks] 337 00:19:12,339 --> 00:19:16,635 You know, I've had bad potato salad or something that was, you know… 338 00:19:17,261 --> 00:19:18,428 Just food poisoning 339 00:19:18,512 --> 00:19:22,391 was my idea of what a foodborne illness is. 340 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,814 [Candie] Stephanie came to me, um, the morning we were leaving 341 00:19:28,897 --> 00:19:32,484 and just said, you know, that she was feeling a little… 342 00:19:32,567 --> 00:19:36,321 Having some gas and, you know, a little bit of diarrhea. 343 00:19:36,405 --> 00:19:40,993 But she just thought she was nervous, and we didn't think anything of it at all. 344 00:19:41,076 --> 00:19:42,995 [Candie] One, two, three. 345 00:19:45,831 --> 00:19:47,124 [pilot] Ladies and gentlemen, 346 00:19:47,207 --> 00:19:49,710 let me be the first to welcome you to Punta Cana. 347 00:19:49,793 --> 00:19:52,254 [Candie] When we got to the Dominican Republic, 348 00:19:52,337 --> 00:19:54,131 and we were at the resort, 349 00:19:55,716 --> 00:19:58,802 she felt like she was feeling a little bit better. 350 00:19:58,885 --> 00:20:00,178 She took a shower. 351 00:20:01,013 --> 00:20:04,516 But throughout the night, it progressed, getting worse and worse, 352 00:20:04,599 --> 00:20:08,061 and that's when I realized we needed to get some help. 353 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:16,862 It was an absolute nightmare of tests and doctors. 354 00:20:17,571 --> 00:20:21,575 They kept telling us, "She'll be better. We'll give her these antibiotics." 355 00:20:21,658 --> 00:20:25,245 "She has this kind of bug. She'll be back at the resort tomorrow." 356 00:20:25,329 --> 00:20:26,663 [camera shutter clicks] 357 00:20:26,747 --> 00:20:28,707 And then the next morning, 358 00:20:28,790 --> 00:20:31,001 when they let me go in to see her, 359 00:20:31,585 --> 00:20:33,170 she didn't recognize me. 360 00:20:33,253 --> 00:20:36,048 She was… she was pulling at her hair. 361 00:20:36,131 --> 00:20:38,216 [reporter speaking Spanish] 362 00:20:38,300 --> 00:20:40,177 I'm like, "She's having a seizure." 363 00:20:41,178 --> 00:20:45,932 Her kidneys had stopped functioning, and she was having swelling of her brain. 364 00:20:46,016 --> 00:20:48,810 They made me leave, and they all rushed in, 365 00:20:48,894 --> 00:20:52,272 and it was just like from a bad… [chuckles, sniffles] 366 00:20:52,356 --> 00:20:53,565 A nightmare. 367 00:20:53,648 --> 00:20:54,900 Uh, the whole thing. 368 00:20:54,983 --> 00:20:57,194 The doctor pulled Candie aside in a hallway 369 00:20:57,277 --> 00:20:59,780 and said, you know, "You got to get her out of here." 370 00:21:00,364 --> 00:21:02,616 [indistinct chatter over radio] 371 00:21:02,699 --> 00:21:04,910 I immediately went home and contacted, 372 00:21:04,993 --> 00:21:08,622 you know, over a dozen, uh, medevac, uh, operations 373 00:21:08,705 --> 00:21:10,832 and found one that was gonna get her out immediately. 374 00:21:10,916 --> 00:21:13,377 [birds chirping] 375 00:21:14,127 --> 00:21:16,046 [Candie] It was then that next morning 376 00:21:16,129 --> 00:21:19,925 that they found the Shiga toxins in her system 377 00:21:20,008 --> 00:21:22,928 to be able to say it was definitely from E. coli. 378 00:21:23,011 --> 00:21:25,013 They said, "She might not make it through the night." 379 00:21:25,097 --> 00:21:26,932 "Get your son back from San Francisco." 380 00:21:28,058 --> 00:21:31,228 A priest was there within a couple hours to give her last rites. 381 00:21:32,729 --> 00:21:33,563 [inhales] 382 00:21:33,647 --> 00:21:37,192 [man] Stephanie's condition rapidly deteriorated overnight 383 00:21:37,275 --> 00:21:39,111 in a very critical condition. 384 00:21:39,194 --> 00:21:41,738 I think she had a few more hours to live, unfortunately. 385 00:21:41,822 --> 00:21:42,781 [camera shutter clicks] 386 00:21:42,864 --> 00:21:46,993 It is a very scary, uh, situation where you have a perfectly healthy, 387 00:21:47,077 --> 00:21:51,331 athletic 17-year-old female that goes on spring break, 388 00:21:52,332 --> 00:21:54,793 and 48 hours later, she's dying. 389 00:21:57,087 --> 00:21:59,339 [Scott] Stephanie had an infectious disease doctor 390 00:21:59,423 --> 00:22:02,217 who had us, I mean, basically, "Collect what you can." 391 00:22:02,300 --> 00:22:03,468 "Talk to all her friends." 392 00:22:03,552 --> 00:22:06,179 "Go through her bank statements to find out what she ate." 393 00:22:06,263 --> 00:22:10,976 'Cause we're thinking whatever she-- This may play a role in saving her life. 394 00:22:11,059 --> 00:22:12,227 So we were thorough, 395 00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:14,604 thorough to find out everything, you know, she ate 396 00:22:14,688 --> 00:22:16,773 over the, you know, previous week or two. 397 00:22:17,899 --> 00:22:22,028 Her friend who she ate at Panera with sent us a snapshot… 398 00:22:22,112 --> 00:22:23,155 [camera shutter clicks] 399 00:22:23,238 --> 00:22:24,072 …of a sign. 400 00:22:24,156 --> 00:22:27,492 It wasn't until then that we put two and two together. "Romaine lettuce?" 401 00:22:27,576 --> 00:22:28,952 [tense music plays] 402 00:22:29,035 --> 00:22:31,288 [reporter 1] Dozens of people have ended up in the hospital 403 00:22:31,371 --> 00:22:33,165 with possible cases of E. coli. 404 00:22:33,248 --> 00:22:36,001 [reporter 2] Ninety-eight people from 22 different states, 405 00:22:36,084 --> 00:22:40,547 making this the biggest multistate E. coli outbreak in at least 12 years. 406 00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:43,800 [reporter 3] The affected region is Yuma, Arizona. 407 00:22:43,884 --> 00:22:45,635 -[bird cawing] -[tense music stops] 408 00:22:46,761 --> 00:22:49,097 [woman] Most of the lettuce that we eat in the United States 409 00:22:49,181 --> 00:22:50,557 comes from two places. 410 00:22:51,475 --> 00:22:56,229 It comes from California's Central Valley, and it comes from Yuma, Arizona. 411 00:22:58,273 --> 00:23:02,861 [Bill] The US is one of the top producers and exporters of leafy greens. 412 00:23:02,944 --> 00:23:06,907 So that means that the lettuce grown in Yuma and in Salinas 413 00:23:06,990 --> 00:23:08,783 is shipped all over the world. 414 00:23:10,494 --> 00:23:12,579 We're in a global food system 415 00:23:12,662 --> 00:23:15,665 where we're importing and exporting food all over the place. 416 00:23:15,749 --> 00:23:19,711 So problems that occur here can certainly be exported elsewhere. 417 00:23:19,794 --> 00:23:22,839 Bacteria don't care about borders. 418 00:23:22,923 --> 00:23:25,592 They don't care about import and export restrictions. 419 00:23:28,053 --> 00:23:29,763 [woman] Consumers don't cook lettuce. 420 00:23:29,846 --> 00:23:33,141 There's no way to control that risk in our kitchen. We eat it fresh. 421 00:23:34,100 --> 00:23:35,894 [Darin] So there's no kill step. 422 00:23:35,977 --> 00:23:39,147 You can clean it, but you're still not truly killing. 423 00:23:40,065 --> 00:23:45,987 [Bill] And "organic" only means that it uses less chemicals, pesticides. 424 00:23:46,780 --> 00:23:49,741 Organic simply doesn't mean pathogen-free. 425 00:23:52,869 --> 00:23:56,873 Explain how we get E. coli in greens. 426 00:23:56,957 --> 00:23:59,501 Right. So it's actually not the lettuce's fault. 427 00:23:59,584 --> 00:24:02,379 -[Rachael] That's right. It really isn't. -It's the livestock. 428 00:24:02,462 --> 00:24:06,716 [dramatic music plays] 429 00:24:13,139 --> 00:24:16,184 [Lance] How we raise animals can fuel the growth of these bugs. 430 00:24:16,268 --> 00:24:18,436 So if we crowd the animals together, 431 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,899 and you have one that's carrying a really bad pathogen like E. coli O157, 432 00:24:22,983 --> 00:24:26,236 then they can poop those bacteria out. 433 00:24:27,112 --> 00:24:31,241 And then, the shit from the cattle washes off 434 00:24:31,324 --> 00:24:34,619 into the streams or into canals, irrigation canals, 435 00:24:35,412 --> 00:24:38,582 and then those can be used to water these plants. 436 00:24:39,874 --> 00:24:41,835 You have this distribution system 437 00:24:41,918 --> 00:24:45,005 for these pathogens from animals to produce. 438 00:24:50,552 --> 00:24:54,139 [Marion] The regulation of animal waste is minimal. 439 00:24:55,599 --> 00:24:59,477 We have laws on the books, but they're not enforced. 440 00:25:00,103 --> 00:25:02,397 That is an American scandal. 441 00:25:03,940 --> 00:25:05,942 [tense music plays] 442 00:25:13,658 --> 00:25:18,747 [Bill] What got Stephanie sick was romaine lettuce grown in Yuma, Arizona, 443 00:25:19,331 --> 00:25:22,083 specifically in the Wellton Canal area, 444 00:25:22,792 --> 00:25:26,338 which happens to run right past the concentrated feedlots. 445 00:25:37,891 --> 00:25:39,976 Those are land-use issues that, 446 00:25:40,060 --> 00:25:46,608 I think, are the things that FDA, USDA, the federal government, state governments, 447 00:25:46,691 --> 00:25:48,985 Environmental Protection Agency, 448 00:25:49,069 --> 00:25:52,697 all of those entities haven't kind of come to grips with that yet. 449 00:25:57,994 --> 00:26:01,081 [Lance] There are 15 federal agencies that in one form or another, 450 00:26:01,164 --> 00:26:03,541 are tasked with food safety regulation. 451 00:26:04,668 --> 00:26:07,212 [Bill] The USDA primarily deals with meat. 452 00:26:07,295 --> 00:26:10,215 They were at the helm of the Jack in the Box E. coli case. 453 00:26:10,298 --> 00:26:14,177 And the FDA deals with leafy greens, like romaine and spinach. 454 00:26:14,761 --> 00:26:17,847 [tense music ends] 455 00:26:20,475 --> 00:26:22,477 -[assistant] Go ahead. -[woman] Nice to meet you. 456 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,729 -Do you care which side? You pick. -[woman] No. I don't. 457 00:26:24,813 --> 00:26:26,314 Okay, I'll sit over here. 458 00:26:30,694 --> 00:26:32,278 [grunts] Great. 459 00:26:33,530 --> 00:26:34,656 [interviewer] Okay, we ready? 460 00:26:37,242 --> 00:26:40,995 What falls under your jurisdiction? What falls under your jurisdiction? 461 00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:42,580 Sure, I'll start. 462 00:26:42,664 --> 00:26:49,170 USDA regulates meat and poultry products, egg products, and catfish. 463 00:26:51,005 --> 00:26:55,260 And the FDA regulates, uh, all foods involved in interstate commerce 464 00:26:55,343 --> 00:26:59,806 that Sandy didn't mention, so it's about 80% of the US food system. 465 00:26:59,889 --> 00:27:03,143 It's a large responsibility and one that we take very seriously. 466 00:27:04,561 --> 00:27:06,646 The regulatory framework 467 00:27:06,730 --> 00:27:09,441 we have in the world of food safety is pretty complicated. 468 00:27:09,524 --> 00:27:12,777 Let's say you have a beef taco that's made in a restaurant. 469 00:27:12,861 --> 00:27:14,154 [knife clanging] 470 00:27:14,946 --> 00:27:18,783 So the beef, well, that's a USDA-regulated food. 471 00:27:18,867 --> 00:27:23,204 Cheese and any of the pico de gallo that's on top of that, 472 00:27:23,747 --> 00:27:25,957 those are FDA-regulated foods. 473 00:27:26,708 --> 00:27:31,463 All of the making of that taco, well, that's happening in a restaurant 474 00:27:31,546 --> 00:27:33,715 that's regulated by the local health department. 475 00:27:33,798 --> 00:27:36,426 So it's a really complicated process. 476 00:27:36,509 --> 00:27:38,386 There's lots of different fingers 477 00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:42,265 that can be touching regulatory on that taco. 478 00:27:44,851 --> 00:27:47,604 When there's a foodborne illness outbreak, 479 00:27:48,563 --> 00:27:52,776 no single agency is responsible. 480 00:27:53,777 --> 00:27:55,653 So there's a lot of finger-pointing. 481 00:27:56,446 --> 00:27:59,199 [interviewer] Ms. Eskin, does the USDA do anything 482 00:27:59,282 --> 00:28:01,326 on these cattle operations 483 00:28:01,409 --> 00:28:05,246 to make sure animal waste isn't getting into the irrigation water? 484 00:28:05,330 --> 00:28:11,169 We have no direct authority on any of the production pieces of food animals… 485 00:28:11,252 --> 00:28:15,006 We are doing the best that we can do with our authorities… 486 00:28:15,089 --> 00:28:17,717 We don't have that authority… We do not have authority… 487 00:28:17,801 --> 00:28:19,844 Authority we have or don't have… 488 00:28:19,928 --> 00:28:22,180 [interviewer] Feels like a gap in the system. Does it not? 489 00:28:22,722 --> 00:28:25,141 I think that's a question you need to ask Congress… 490 00:28:25,225 --> 00:28:26,684 That's Congress's decision… 491 00:28:26,768 --> 00:28:29,896 The inspection process has to be raised with Congress… 492 00:28:29,979 --> 00:28:31,105 It's not for us to say. 493 00:28:31,189 --> 00:28:34,025 It's really something that has to come from Congress. 494 00:28:34,108 --> 00:28:36,611 [interviewer] To your response that it's a question for Congress, 495 00:28:36,694 --> 00:28:40,740 would you support legislation that gave USDA jurisdiction on the farm? 496 00:28:41,366 --> 00:28:44,994 I'm not in a position to endorse legislation. 497 00:28:45,078 --> 00:28:48,748 As the regulatory body, that's not our lane. 498 00:28:50,500 --> 00:28:54,879 [interviewer] Mr. Yiannas, what is the FDA doing to solve the problem, 499 00:28:54,963 --> 00:28:56,965 and should consumers be satisfied? 500 00:28:57,048 --> 00:29:01,344 We believe that the FDA, as well as the entire food industry, 501 00:29:01,427 --> 00:29:04,430 the fresh leafy green industry, can and must do more. 502 00:29:04,514 --> 00:29:05,765 Let me stress, must do more. 503 00:29:05,849 --> 00:29:07,767 Growers have a responsibility, 504 00:29:07,851 --> 00:29:11,521 the primary responsibility to understand whether their products 505 00:29:11,604 --> 00:29:15,316 can be contaminated and take measures to mitigate those risks. 506 00:29:18,778 --> 00:29:22,532 [Tim] My name is Tim York. T-I-M Y-O-R-K 507 00:29:23,324 --> 00:29:25,743 [interviewer] How should I title you for your position? 508 00:29:25,827 --> 00:29:27,078 Uh, CEO. 509 00:29:27,161 --> 00:29:28,496 -[interviewer] Of? -LGMA. 510 00:29:28,997 --> 00:29:32,625 LGMA stands for Leafy Greens Marketing Agreement. 511 00:29:32,709 --> 00:29:39,549 We were started in 2007 to, uh, ensure safety in lettuce and leafy greens. 512 00:29:39,632 --> 00:29:42,385 [interviewer] What are some of the more recognizable handlers 513 00:29:42,468 --> 00:29:45,221 that are part of the LGMA that we might know? 514 00:29:45,305 --> 00:29:49,684 Members of LGMA would include Dole, Fresh Express, 515 00:29:49,767 --> 00:29:53,605 Ready Pac, Taylor Farms, uh, Organic Girl. 516 00:29:53,688 --> 00:29:57,901 Those are all names you probably see on the retail shelf of packaged salads. 517 00:30:01,821 --> 00:30:03,656 [Sarah] The Leafy Greens Marketing Agreements 518 00:30:03,740 --> 00:30:06,910 were formed in response to the 2006 spinach outbreak. 519 00:30:07,535 --> 00:30:08,953 [suspenseful music plays] 520 00:30:09,037 --> 00:30:10,788 Feds have a new warning about spinach. 521 00:30:10,872 --> 00:30:15,001 They want you to stay away from all spinach, not just the bagged produce. 522 00:30:15,084 --> 00:30:18,212 We're talking about hundreds of bags of raw spinach out here. 523 00:30:18,296 --> 00:30:22,258 Now, no one is eating raw spinach, and all of it is going in the garbage. 524 00:30:24,177 --> 00:30:27,388 [reporter] This is the same deadly strain of E. coli 525 00:30:27,472 --> 00:30:29,849 that we saw in the Jack in the Box outbreak. 526 00:30:31,768 --> 00:30:34,062 [Timothy] The industry was terrorized. 527 00:30:34,812 --> 00:30:38,441 They worried that if this were to occur again and again and again, 528 00:30:38,524 --> 00:30:41,069 if they didn't get to the bottom of this problem, 529 00:30:41,819 --> 00:30:45,573 that it would essentially destroy the California leafy greens industry. 530 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,910 The spinach outbreak of 2006 531 00:30:48,993 --> 00:30:53,706 was a watershed moment for the industry because that was really the first time 532 00:30:54,457 --> 00:30:59,087 that we were aware of how our practices affected people. 533 00:31:04,884 --> 00:31:06,552 How do pathogens move? 534 00:31:07,553 --> 00:31:09,389 We look at a number of things. 535 00:31:10,974 --> 00:31:12,684 One of them being water. 536 00:31:15,478 --> 00:31:18,690 One of them being proximity to other operations. 537 00:31:20,233 --> 00:31:22,860 One of them would be the sanitation practices 538 00:31:22,944 --> 00:31:25,863 and how they handle machinery and equipment on the farm. 539 00:31:26,698 --> 00:31:28,700 [suspenseful music continues] 540 00:31:37,625 --> 00:31:39,502 [Bill] I think it's just been really a matter 541 00:31:39,585 --> 00:31:42,839 of the industry sort of does a whack-a-mole. 542 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,216 "Oh, we'll do testing." 543 00:31:46,217 --> 00:31:48,428 "Oh, we'll make everybody wear a hairnet." 544 00:31:51,347 --> 00:31:56,019 But they just don't want to come to grips with the fact that the big problem is 545 00:31:56,102 --> 00:32:00,023 cattle farms and feedlots in close proximity 546 00:32:00,106 --> 00:32:02,316 to where you're growing leafy greens. 547 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,319 [cattle mooing] 548 00:32:05,403 --> 00:32:09,032 [interviewer] How often do your members test their irrigation water? 549 00:32:10,408 --> 00:32:11,367 [sighs] 550 00:32:11,451 --> 00:32:14,454 I don't honestly know the answer to that question. Um… 551 00:32:15,580 --> 00:32:20,126 Irrigation water is required to be tested on an ongoing basis 552 00:32:20,209 --> 00:32:23,046 to know that that is meeting our practices. 553 00:32:23,129 --> 00:32:25,131 [birds chirping] 554 00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:31,929 [Bill] You know, some of the work the LGMA has done has been admirable. 555 00:32:33,347 --> 00:32:34,807 But in my view, 556 00:32:35,850 --> 00:32:38,394 it's a way to make sure that the government, 557 00:32:38,478 --> 00:32:41,647 uh, doesn't enforce rules on them they don't really like. 558 00:32:41,731 --> 00:32:45,068 One of the ways to avoid government regulation is to say, 559 00:32:45,151 --> 00:32:46,569 "We'll regulate ourselves." 560 00:32:47,570 --> 00:32:49,572 [splutters] I honestly don't know what action 561 00:32:49,655 --> 00:32:53,034 the government was potentially going to take if we didn't. 562 00:32:53,785 --> 00:32:55,953 But the reason the LGMA was formed is 563 00:32:56,037 --> 00:32:59,082 because we could do that so much faster than the government. 564 00:32:59,165 --> 00:33:01,167 [tense music plays] 565 00:33:03,377 --> 00:33:06,547 [Mike] Who do you hold accountable for fixing this? 566 00:33:08,257 --> 00:33:12,386 The growers don't control the practices of the cattlemen. 567 00:33:13,554 --> 00:33:15,056 The cattlemen, you know, 568 00:33:15,139 --> 00:33:17,975 feel that they're not responsible for produce safety. 569 00:33:19,018 --> 00:33:23,439 There's not enough impetus for people to break out of their silos 570 00:33:23,523 --> 00:33:26,734 and say, "We've got to come up with a solution that figures out, 571 00:33:26,818 --> 00:33:30,071 how can you use vaccines to make this better?" 572 00:33:30,154 --> 00:33:34,033 "How can you adjust the cattle feed to reduce the E. coli?" 573 00:33:35,118 --> 00:33:38,621 And that… you know, my frustration is that's not happening, 574 00:33:38,704 --> 00:33:42,416 and people are getting sick, and that's, uh… you know, that's sad. 575 00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:43,835 That's disturbing. 576 00:33:43,918 --> 00:33:45,211 [tense music ends] 577 00:33:45,294 --> 00:33:47,296 [seagulls squawking] 578 00:33:49,966 --> 00:33:52,176 [phone ringing] 579 00:33:52,260 --> 00:33:54,679 [indistinct chatter] 580 00:33:54,762 --> 00:33:56,472 [keyboard clacking] 581 00:33:59,433 --> 00:34:03,020 [Bill] In my 30 years of experience doing this, 582 00:34:03,104 --> 00:34:08,317 most companies don't want to, obviously, see me show up at their doorstep. 583 00:34:08,985 --> 00:34:11,154 You know, the Leafy Green Marketing Agreement, 584 00:34:11,237 --> 00:34:12,947 they're trying to do the right thing. 585 00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:16,701 They're just not going the full distance that I think they should go. 586 00:34:16,784 --> 00:34:19,787 [inhales] You know, these outbreaks at Jack in the Box, 587 00:34:19,871 --> 00:34:22,165 they didn't intend that to happen, 588 00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:26,043 but I kind of put those folks in a different category 589 00:34:26,127 --> 00:34:30,089 than I would the folks from Peanut Corporation of America. 590 00:34:30,590 --> 00:34:33,634 [reporter 1] Food and Drug Administration is advising Americans not to eat 591 00:34:33,718 --> 00:34:36,137 any products made with peanut butter or peanut paste. 592 00:34:36,220 --> 00:34:38,806 [reporter 2] More than 500 people have gotten sick in the outbreak, 593 00:34:38,890 --> 00:34:42,059 and at least eight may have died as a result of salmonella infection. 594 00:34:42,685 --> 00:34:45,521 [Bill] This was an enormous salmonella outbreak. 595 00:34:45,605 --> 00:34:47,732 [reporter 3] Officials are focusing on peanut products 596 00:34:47,815 --> 00:34:52,153 produced by this Georgia plant owned by Peanut Corporation of America. 597 00:34:54,238 --> 00:34:58,326 [Mike] The Peanut Corporation of America was a major peanut product producer. 598 00:34:59,744 --> 00:35:02,788 They provided peanut paste and peanut products 599 00:35:02,872 --> 00:35:07,168 to hundreds of different major brands in the United States. 600 00:35:07,251 --> 00:35:09,462 [man] Chips Deluxe with peanut butter cups. 601 00:35:09,545 --> 00:35:11,339 -[boy] Peanut butter cups? No way. -[man] Way. 602 00:35:12,757 --> 00:35:14,008 [insects chirping] 603 00:35:14,091 --> 00:35:17,887 I started working at Peanut Corp in July 2006. 604 00:35:17,970 --> 00:35:21,349 I could tell things were going to go bad. 605 00:35:22,141 --> 00:35:24,894 -[tense music plays] -[slide projector clicking] 606 00:35:24,977 --> 00:35:28,397 The things that had concerned me were, number one, the roof leak. 607 00:35:29,023 --> 00:35:31,484 Because that washes in bird crap, 608 00:35:32,151 --> 00:35:35,529 which can bring in a whole host of disease into the plant. 609 00:35:38,032 --> 00:35:42,536 And the pest control person that brought in to my attention the mice problem. 610 00:35:43,788 --> 00:35:47,291 [man] There are some rats, uh, and they're still alive. 611 00:35:49,043 --> 00:35:51,587 [Kenneth] The first time I had brought up, uh, concerns 612 00:35:51,671 --> 00:35:53,339 to Stewart Parnell, the owner, 613 00:35:54,048 --> 00:35:56,467 he told me to shut up and not worry about it, 614 00:35:56,550 --> 00:36:00,972 that they had recall insurance and just go on doing my job. 615 00:36:01,764 --> 00:36:06,769 Stewart Parnell not only grossly underestimated 616 00:36:07,561 --> 00:36:11,023 food safety as a CEO of a food company, 617 00:36:11,899 --> 00:36:15,403 but he blatantly and even flagrantly 618 00:36:16,737 --> 00:36:17,738 just didn't care. 619 00:36:18,281 --> 00:36:21,742 [man] And here we have another live rat. 620 00:36:21,826 --> 00:36:22,868 [rat squeaking] 621 00:36:24,078 --> 00:36:29,458 [Bill] Ultimately, what happened was that some of the large companies 622 00:36:29,542 --> 00:36:34,005 that were getting their product from PCA had requirements, 623 00:36:34,088 --> 00:36:38,009 contractual requirements to test the product before it was shipped. 624 00:36:38,718 --> 00:36:42,555 And they were supposed to give those companies a piece of paper 625 00:36:42,638 --> 00:36:46,934 called a certificate of analysis that said the product was tested 626 00:36:47,018 --> 00:36:50,438 and it's free of pathogens or likely free of pathogens. 627 00:36:50,521 --> 00:36:52,231 [Marion] And lo and behold, 628 00:36:52,315 --> 00:36:56,485 they had a test that came out positive for the toxic salmonella. 629 00:36:57,153 --> 00:36:59,363 Well, what they ended up doing 630 00:36:59,447 --> 00:37:02,366 was retesting until they got a negative test. 631 00:37:03,576 --> 00:37:07,121 [Bill] Then it got to the point where all of them were positive, 632 00:37:08,372 --> 00:37:11,667 and then they just started forging the certificates of analysis, 633 00:37:11,751 --> 00:37:13,127 saying they were negative. 634 00:37:14,587 --> 00:37:16,213 [Darin] The QA manager, 635 00:37:16,297 --> 00:37:19,425 there's a reason why she has the nickname "the Queen of Liquid Paper." 636 00:37:20,593 --> 00:37:22,887 If they didn't have the results that they needed, 637 00:37:22,970 --> 00:37:24,722 they would literally take old results, 638 00:37:24,805 --> 00:37:27,725 Liquid Paper over the date, and change the date 639 00:37:27,808 --> 00:37:29,685 to make it look like it's a more recent date. 640 00:37:30,936 --> 00:37:36,650 Stewart Parnell told the manager in an email to ship the peanut mill. 641 00:37:37,318 --> 00:37:39,195 And the manager said, 642 00:37:39,278 --> 00:37:44,575 "Well, I've got to spray off the rat shit and dirt before I can do anything." 643 00:37:44,658 --> 00:37:47,995 Stewart said, "Well, then clean it up and ship it." 644 00:37:49,705 --> 00:37:51,707 There were lots of emails. 645 00:37:51,791 --> 00:37:53,793 [keyboard clacking] 646 00:37:56,545 --> 00:38:00,966 And they had emails from the heads of the company saying, 647 00:38:01,050 --> 00:38:03,552 "Oh, you've got a positive salmonella test." 648 00:38:03,636 --> 00:38:04,720 "Ship it out anyway." 649 00:38:09,058 --> 00:38:13,270 A salmonella outbreak involving products made with peanut butter is worsening. 650 00:38:13,354 --> 00:38:14,855 These were recalled too. 651 00:38:14,939 --> 00:38:19,110 The list of items is so long, Campbell, I can't even read them all right now. 652 00:38:19,193 --> 00:38:22,822 [Bill] It was over 3,000, almost 4,000, 653 00:38:23,322 --> 00:38:26,200 different products got recalled. 654 00:38:26,909 --> 00:38:30,037 [man] Here we go with another pallet. I think this is number six. 655 00:38:34,417 --> 00:38:35,501 It's still sealed. 656 00:38:35,584 --> 00:38:38,379 I emailed the Texas Department of Agriculture, 657 00:38:38,462 --> 00:38:39,755 the FDA. 658 00:38:39,839 --> 00:38:42,174 I… I must have sent a hundred emails. 659 00:38:42,258 --> 00:38:44,677 [reporter] Product recalls continue mounting. 660 00:38:45,928 --> 00:38:48,722 Nobody else was gonna stop them from killing people. 661 00:38:50,683 --> 00:38:52,309 So somebody had to step up. 662 00:38:54,019 --> 00:38:55,563 He went to the federal government 663 00:38:55,646 --> 00:38:58,399 and started, you know, saying how bad the plant was. 664 00:38:58,482 --> 00:39:02,027 The White House today called the plant's performance alarming 665 00:39:02,111 --> 00:39:05,406 and promised tougher regulation over America's food supply. 666 00:39:05,489 --> 00:39:09,660 At bare minimum, we should be able to count on our government 667 00:39:09,743 --> 00:39:12,079 keeping our kids safe when they eat peanut butter. 668 00:39:12,163 --> 00:39:16,041 That's what Sasha eats for, uh… for lunch probably three times a week. 669 00:39:17,501 --> 00:39:19,253 [representative] Mr. Parnell, Mr. Lightsey, 670 00:39:19,336 --> 00:39:21,255 let me just cut to the chase then. 671 00:39:21,881 --> 00:39:26,343 In this container are products that have your ingredients in them. 672 00:39:26,427 --> 00:39:29,430 I just wonder, would either of you be willing to take the lid off 673 00:39:29,513 --> 00:39:31,515 and eat any of these products now? 674 00:39:32,016 --> 00:39:33,976 Mr. Chairman, and members of the committee, 675 00:39:34,059 --> 00:39:35,561 on the advice of my counsel, 676 00:39:35,644 --> 00:39:37,521 I respectfully decline to answer your question 677 00:39:37,605 --> 00:39:40,483 based on the protection afforded me under the United States Constitution. 678 00:39:40,566 --> 00:39:41,817 [Greg] You're dismissed. 679 00:39:43,527 --> 00:39:49,366 Sometimes manufacturers of food don't really think of it as food. 680 00:39:49,450 --> 00:39:51,869 It becomes a… a commodity. 681 00:39:51,952 --> 00:39:55,456 So they don't think about it in the sense of, "Oh, my goodness, 682 00:39:55,539 --> 00:39:58,876 this is going to go into somebody's mouth and into their stomach." 683 00:39:58,959 --> 00:40:02,213 My father was a highly decorated Korean War veteran 684 00:40:02,296 --> 00:40:04,840 and was awarded three Purple Hearts for his valor. 685 00:40:04,924 --> 00:40:09,053 His final battle occurred when he ate some contaminated peanut butter from PCA. 686 00:40:09,637 --> 00:40:12,473 [Christine] When you spend time with these victims and speak with them, 687 00:40:12,556 --> 00:40:13,933 they don't get over it. 688 00:40:14,016 --> 00:40:15,935 It's not a natural form of grief 689 00:40:16,018 --> 00:40:19,980 when someone you love dies from, um, a bunch of peanut butter crackers. 690 00:40:20,064 --> 00:40:23,567 Our family feels cheated. My mom should be here today. 691 00:40:24,485 --> 00:40:27,112 [Timothy] The FDA partnered with the Department of Justice, 692 00:40:27,196 --> 00:40:30,991 and they brought felony counts against Stewart Parnell and his associates 693 00:40:31,075 --> 00:40:34,620 for knowingly and intentionally shipping contaminated products 694 00:40:34,703 --> 00:40:37,915 that had toxic salmonella into the stream of commerce. 695 00:40:38,749 --> 00:40:41,293 [reporter 1] Stewart Parnell, he is sentenced yesterday 696 00:40:41,377 --> 00:40:44,213 to 28 years behind bars. 697 00:40:44,296 --> 00:40:45,923 [reporter 2] Eight people died, sir. 698 00:40:46,006 --> 00:40:48,467 Do you have anything to say to their families? 699 00:40:48,551 --> 00:40:52,012 [Kenneth] It doesn't bother him to this day because he's still appealing. 700 00:40:52,513 --> 00:40:54,723 "Murdering people is okay." 701 00:40:54,807 --> 00:40:56,725 And I'm sorry. I call this murder. 702 00:40:56,809 --> 00:40:59,478 He knew that there was salmonella in there. 703 00:40:59,562 --> 00:41:00,938 So, you know, Stewart, 704 00:41:01,021 --> 00:41:04,149 why would you ship that knowing you could kill people? 705 00:41:04,233 --> 00:41:05,901 Explain to the families. 706 00:41:07,236 --> 00:41:11,574 Criminal prosecution is appropriate when it comes to really bad actors. 707 00:41:11,657 --> 00:41:15,869 People like Stewart Parnell, who knowingly sold contaminated product, 708 00:41:15,953 --> 00:41:18,747 or Jack DeCoster, the Egg King. 709 00:41:19,582 --> 00:41:21,792 [reporter 1] Salmonella outbreaks sickening hundreds 710 00:41:21,875 --> 00:41:23,669 have led to a national egg recall. 711 00:41:23,752 --> 00:41:26,672 [reporter 2] The numbers are enough to give anyone shell shock. 712 00:41:26,755 --> 00:41:30,175 The recall has grown to more than 500 million eggs 713 00:41:30,259 --> 00:41:32,094 from just two farms in Iowa. 714 00:41:32,177 --> 00:41:35,598 The chairman and owner, Austin Jack DeCoster. 715 00:41:36,765 --> 00:41:38,684 [Christine] Jack DeCoster is a businessman 716 00:41:38,767 --> 00:41:41,979 who's been in the farming industry for easily 50 years. 717 00:41:42,062 --> 00:41:45,482 And in place after place and time after time, 718 00:41:45,566 --> 00:41:47,901 he has run filthy farms. 719 00:41:47,985 --> 00:41:49,987 [chickens clucking] 720 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:56,076 [Bill] He knew that their product was being produced 721 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,455 in really insanitary conditions 722 00:41:59,538 --> 00:42:03,876 that likely would have resulted in eggs being contaminated. 723 00:42:03,959 --> 00:42:07,254 A pile of manure at one of them, eight feet high. 724 00:42:07,338 --> 00:42:09,757 Pile of manure, eight feet high, leaking! 725 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,052 As many as 56,000 Americans were sickened because of it. 726 00:42:13,636 --> 00:42:18,182 How is it possible that after all this time, 727 00:42:18,265 --> 00:42:23,854 we have another DeCoster egg producer involved in a half-billion-dollar recall? 728 00:42:24,396 --> 00:42:26,940 -[cup clattering] -[clicks tongue] 729 00:42:31,195 --> 00:42:33,530 Well, the question is complicated, so-- 730 00:42:33,614 --> 00:42:34,782 You can… 731 00:42:35,532 --> 00:42:37,785 [Christine] For decades he got away with it. 732 00:42:37,868 --> 00:42:43,707 But he finally was convicted and, um, was given a short prison term. 733 00:42:46,251 --> 00:42:50,130 [Darin] There will never be an end to bad actors 734 00:42:50,214 --> 00:42:55,177 who decide that profit is more important than ethics. 735 00:42:55,260 --> 00:42:56,887 We have laws. 736 00:42:56,970 --> 00:42:59,640 We have regulatory authorities and regulatory agencies, 737 00:42:59,723 --> 00:43:02,309 and these things still happen, even today. 738 00:43:02,393 --> 00:43:04,395 [birds chirping] 739 00:43:05,604 --> 00:43:07,606 [door opens] 740 00:43:11,068 --> 00:43:13,904 [chickens clucking] 741 00:43:15,989 --> 00:43:17,074 [Bill] Come on, guys. 742 00:43:21,453 --> 00:43:22,621 Come on, come on. 743 00:43:23,205 --> 00:43:25,082 [chickens clucking] 744 00:43:27,084 --> 00:43:29,545 After the Wright County egg outbreak, 745 00:43:29,628 --> 00:43:32,923 I wound up on Larry King Live, talking about, 746 00:43:33,006 --> 00:43:34,717 you know, foodborne illness again. 747 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,969 And sort of at the end of the segment, 748 00:43:37,052 --> 00:43:41,140 I just said, "I'm gonna get chickens," as just sort of a throwaway line. 749 00:43:41,223 --> 00:43:43,308 When I got home, my youngest daughter was like, 750 00:43:43,392 --> 00:43:44,852 "Oh, so we're gonna get chickens." 751 00:43:44,935 --> 00:43:46,478 So now we have chickens, 752 00:43:46,562 --> 00:43:49,857 and now she's off at college, and we still have chickens. 753 00:43:49,940 --> 00:43:51,150 [chickens clucking] 754 00:43:51,233 --> 00:43:55,028 [dramatic music plays] 755 00:43:55,112 --> 00:43:58,365 More people are becoming sick from a salmonella outbreak. 756 00:43:58,449 --> 00:44:00,325 -Salmonella outbreak. -[reporter 1] Salmonella outbreak. 757 00:44:00,409 --> 00:44:02,453 -Salmonella outbreak. -Large salmonella outbreak. 758 00:44:02,536 --> 00:44:05,289 [reporter 2] More than 100 people have been sent to the hospital. 759 00:44:05,372 --> 00:44:09,001 -[reporter 3] Three hundred cases. -[reporter 4] Made 278 people ill. 760 00:44:09,835 --> 00:44:15,799 At age two, I was hospitalized for 11 days, uh, in New Haven. 761 00:44:15,883 --> 00:44:18,802 Uh, my folks-- It was an isolation. 762 00:44:18,886 --> 00:44:20,721 My folks couldn't come to see me. 763 00:44:20,804 --> 00:44:23,849 [splutters] You know, so I am a survivor of salmonella. 764 00:44:23,932 --> 00:44:27,394 Uh, and it's… uh, it's a killer. 765 00:44:27,478 --> 00:44:29,480 [dramatic music continues] 766 00:44:37,488 --> 00:44:40,491 [Sarah] If you look at the two bacteria that are most likely 767 00:44:40,574 --> 00:44:42,993 to send you to the hospital from food, 768 00:44:43,076 --> 00:44:45,954 it's salmonella and a germ called campylobacter. 769 00:44:46,038 --> 00:44:48,582 And if you look at the foods that are most likely 770 00:44:48,665 --> 00:44:50,959 to be the source for those bacteria, 771 00:44:51,043 --> 00:44:53,462 at least from the outbreak data, it's chicken. 772 00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:57,299 And so if we want to address foodborne illness, 773 00:44:57,382 --> 00:45:00,302 we wanna bring those numbers down, chicken is the place to start. 774 00:45:04,848 --> 00:45:08,268 Four companies now control more than half the market in chicken processing. 775 00:45:08,352 --> 00:45:10,562 So it's a very consolidated industry, 776 00:45:10,646 --> 00:45:13,565 and it means those companies have a lot of control over our food. 777 00:45:13,649 --> 00:45:15,442 At the top, the very top of the chain, 778 00:45:15,526 --> 00:45:19,655 there are really just two breeders controlling the entire poultry supply 779 00:45:19,738 --> 00:45:21,740 in the sense that they provide the eggs. 780 00:45:21,824 --> 00:45:24,284 And those companies largely operate in secrecy. 781 00:45:24,368 --> 00:45:27,538 Their customers are not the public. They're not very communicative. 782 00:45:27,621 --> 00:45:30,123 And it's very hard to tell what practices they're using 783 00:45:30,207 --> 00:45:33,001 to keep those eggs from spreading disease. 784 00:45:33,085 --> 00:45:35,087 [somber music plays] 785 00:45:48,642 --> 00:45:51,478 Perdue is very focused on food safety, 786 00:45:51,562 --> 00:45:54,731 and, um, what makes us a little bit different, 787 00:45:54,815 --> 00:45:58,986 I believe, it came from, uh, the "no antibiotics ever" move. 788 00:45:59,069 --> 00:46:02,739 Well, tonight, there's a major change coming to your dinner table. 789 00:46:02,823 --> 00:46:06,994 Perdue, the chicken makers, say it's dropping most human antibiotics 790 00:46:07,077 --> 00:46:08,745 from its chicken products. 791 00:46:09,413 --> 00:46:12,332 [Bruce] In order to do that, we needed to change a lot of things 792 00:46:12,416 --> 00:46:13,959 about how we raise chickens. 793 00:46:14,042 --> 00:46:16,044 [suspenseful music plays] 794 00:46:22,634 --> 00:46:26,471 Perdue produces a little over 12 million chickens a week. 795 00:46:28,891 --> 00:46:30,392 So the eggs come in. 796 00:46:30,475 --> 00:46:33,604 Uh, we want to get them to the hatchery as fast as we can. 797 00:46:33,687 --> 00:46:36,356 Make sure that they're in a clean environment. 798 00:46:38,066 --> 00:46:39,902 [Bruce in scene] We asked them, the farmer, 799 00:46:39,985 --> 00:46:42,946 if there are some eggs that are more likely to be dirty, 800 00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:44,281 put them on the bottom. 801 00:46:44,990 --> 00:46:48,243 We've been using this tool. We can swab a lot of eggs 802 00:46:48,327 --> 00:46:49,870 and get immediate feedback 803 00:46:49,953 --> 00:46:51,788 on how much material is on 804 00:46:51,872 --> 00:46:54,791 and how much organic material is alive on the egg. 805 00:47:00,839 --> 00:47:02,633 [Bruce in scene] 770's in the middle. 806 00:47:02,716 --> 00:47:06,553 Not terribly dirty but not perfectly clean either. 807 00:47:07,220 --> 00:47:08,972 That doesn't mean there's salmonella, 808 00:47:09,056 --> 00:47:14,269 but it does give you a sense of… of opportunity for salmonella. 809 00:47:14,353 --> 00:47:16,355 [chickens clucking] 810 00:47:19,441 --> 00:47:25,614 It takes 21 days to hatch a chicken from, uh, an embryonated or a fertilized egg. 811 00:47:25,697 --> 00:47:28,450 [Bruce in scene] So he's partially working his way out. 812 00:47:29,534 --> 00:47:30,786 -Taking a break. -[man] Yeah. 813 00:47:30,869 --> 00:47:33,163 [Bruce] Gonna work his way out some more. 814 00:47:38,543 --> 00:47:40,545 [suspenseful music intensifies] 815 00:48:06,405 --> 00:48:09,366 [Bruce] The chicks, after they've hatched at the hatchery, 816 00:48:09,449 --> 00:48:11,868 and we've done all we can there to keep them clean, 817 00:48:11,952 --> 00:48:13,453 we move them to the farm. 818 00:48:22,879 --> 00:48:25,757 [chickens clucking] 819 00:48:32,806 --> 00:48:34,349 They come here a day old. 820 00:48:35,517 --> 00:48:38,812 Day they hatch, we get them here, put them in the chicken house. 821 00:48:38,895 --> 00:48:41,314 They stay here about 45 days. 822 00:48:41,398 --> 00:48:44,401 These birds here are about 14 days, two weeks old. 823 00:48:50,407 --> 00:48:53,702 So we monitor for specific types of salmonella, 824 00:48:53,785 --> 00:48:58,331 and we use this sampling technique called boot swabs, or bootie swabs, 825 00:48:58,415 --> 00:49:04,087 where you take a sock that's doused in skim milk, put it over your boot, 826 00:49:04,171 --> 00:49:08,592 and walk through the chicken house trying to sample as many chicken's droppings 827 00:49:08,675 --> 00:49:11,762 as you can possibly pick up with those boots. 828 00:49:11,845 --> 00:49:15,724 And we figure over 100 chickens contribute to the bootie sample. 829 00:49:15,807 --> 00:49:18,393 We send that to the lab and look for salmonella. 830 00:49:31,114 --> 00:49:34,201 [suspenseful music continues] 831 00:49:38,955 --> 00:49:41,208 [Bruce in scene] This is boneless, skinless breast. 832 00:49:41,291 --> 00:49:46,088 It comes down the line after it's been taken off the, uh, bone. 833 00:49:47,214 --> 00:49:49,674 It goes into this unit and is washed. 834 00:49:50,342 --> 00:49:53,637 There's some peracetic acid, helps us keep it clean 835 00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:57,307 from the process that we just did all the way to the package. 836 00:49:59,059 --> 00:50:02,729 We believe that if a bird came in with a little bit of salmonella, 837 00:50:02,813 --> 00:50:05,065 it'd be washed off and taken care of. 838 00:50:05,148 --> 00:50:07,150 [tense music plays] 839 00:50:15,534 --> 00:50:19,287 One of the big broken pieces of the American food safety system 840 00:50:19,371 --> 00:50:22,082 is that we don't monitor anything on the farm. 841 00:50:22,165 --> 00:50:24,960 [chickens clucking] 842 00:50:25,043 --> 00:50:27,129 Those are off-limits to regulators. 843 00:50:29,464 --> 00:50:34,302 [Lance] The problem lies in that a lot of salmonella is found at the farm level, 844 00:50:34,386 --> 00:50:35,720 at the hatchery level. 845 00:50:36,471 --> 00:50:37,556 [brakes hiss] 846 00:50:38,557 --> 00:50:41,893 And, you know, USDA's jurisdiction doesn't kick in 847 00:50:41,977 --> 00:50:45,021 until those chickens actually enter the slaughter plant. 848 00:50:48,316 --> 00:50:49,276 [assistant] A-mark. 849 00:50:54,614 --> 00:50:58,285 [interviewer] Let's just start off with, tell me what you do for work. 850 00:50:58,368 --> 00:51:02,330 [inspector in distorted voice] I am a USDA consumer safety inspector, 851 00:51:02,414 --> 00:51:04,249 and I inspect chickens. 852 00:51:05,250 --> 00:51:07,252 [tense music plays] 853 00:51:13,925 --> 00:51:17,512 We run over 300,000 chickens a day. 854 00:51:22,058 --> 00:51:27,355 We're looking at 175 birds a minute, and they're going by so fast. 855 00:51:29,983 --> 00:51:33,111 There's only one inspector at the very end of the line, 856 00:51:33,862 --> 00:51:36,031 and they do miss a lot sometimes. 857 00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,285 Some of the plants I've worked at, 858 00:51:40,368 --> 00:51:43,955 I feel like the chicken's not safe to go out. 859 00:51:44,039 --> 00:51:47,542 I feel like consumers would really be shocked 860 00:51:47,626 --> 00:51:50,629 at some of the stories that we could tell them. 861 00:51:52,714 --> 00:51:53,882 I've seen… [sighs] 862 00:51:53,965 --> 00:51:58,011 …plant person throwing chickens in the chiller 863 00:51:58,094 --> 00:52:00,764 and would have fecal matter in them. 864 00:52:03,683 --> 00:52:08,521 I've seen inspectors sleep on the line and product just going on by. 865 00:52:09,940 --> 00:52:12,901 And you'll see employees, they've been to the bathroom. 866 00:52:12,984 --> 00:52:15,070 They're not washing their hands. 867 00:52:15,153 --> 00:52:16,613 I've seen… [sighs] 868 00:52:16,696 --> 00:52:21,117 …people drop their knives, not attempt to pick them up and wash it, 869 00:52:21,201 --> 00:52:23,620 just go right back to using it. 870 00:52:26,039 --> 00:52:28,250 They got a quota they gotta meet. 871 00:52:28,333 --> 00:52:32,212 And, you know, I feel like they're there to make a profit 872 00:52:32,295 --> 00:52:34,089 and get the chickens through. 873 00:52:34,172 --> 00:52:36,591 They don't care what shape they're in. 874 00:52:39,094 --> 00:52:44,391 The USDA inspection regime is really… goes back to the early 1900s 875 00:52:44,474 --> 00:52:47,269 and, you know, Upton Sinclair's book The Jungle. 876 00:52:47,352 --> 00:52:49,354 [narrator] It was not a pleasant novel. 877 00:52:49,437 --> 00:52:53,233 It told of conditions of filth and carelessness in the handling of meat, 878 00:52:53,316 --> 00:52:56,278 and those who read it became concerned and aroused. 879 00:52:57,279 --> 00:52:58,446 It's an outrage. 880 00:53:00,657 --> 00:53:04,369 [Mike] Meat and poultry inspection laws are designed to deal with the problem 881 00:53:04,452 --> 00:53:09,749 that Teddy Roosevelt addressed in 1906 in meatpacking plants in Chicago, 882 00:53:09,833 --> 00:53:13,420 which is diseased animals coming into facilities, 883 00:53:13,503 --> 00:53:16,172 spoiled meat being put into the food system. 884 00:53:17,674 --> 00:53:20,885 [Bill] Frankly, when they built that inspection regime, 885 00:53:20,969 --> 00:53:24,306 we didn't even understand viruses and bacteria. 886 00:53:25,140 --> 00:53:27,809 [man] Every bird must be individually inspected. 887 00:53:27,892 --> 00:53:31,146 It must prove to be wholesome, or else it is condemned. 888 00:53:32,397 --> 00:53:35,108 [Marion] What they're expected to do has nothing to do with bacteria. 889 00:53:35,191 --> 00:53:37,152 You can't see bacteria. 890 00:53:37,694 --> 00:53:39,946 They're not visible to the naked eye. 891 00:53:40,030 --> 00:53:42,032 [tense music intensifies] 892 00:53:42,949 --> 00:53:45,285 [Mike] You have hundreds, if not thousands, 893 00:53:45,368 --> 00:53:48,204 of poultry inspectors sitting on slaughter lines, 894 00:53:48,288 --> 00:53:51,499 watching birds go by, to meet the statutory mandate 895 00:53:51,583 --> 00:53:55,587 to have a US government inspector look at every chicken that goes through a facility 896 00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:58,173 with no meaningful benefit for food safety. 897 00:53:58,256 --> 00:54:00,383 It's a waste of hundreds of millions of dollars. 898 00:54:01,384 --> 00:54:05,388 I disagree with that assessment for a number of reasons. 899 00:54:05,472 --> 00:54:07,557 They do look at the product. 900 00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,977 That's what the law requires under current statutes. 901 00:54:11,061 --> 00:54:14,022 They look at the records that companies keep 902 00:54:14,105 --> 00:54:17,233 to ensure that they're doing what they're supposed to do, 903 00:54:17,317 --> 00:54:20,195 and they sample and test product. 904 00:54:23,281 --> 00:54:26,034 [inspector in distorted voice] We run millions of birds a month. 905 00:54:26,785 --> 00:54:31,706 We test five salmonella samples a month of a whole bird. 906 00:54:33,333 --> 00:54:37,504 And we do five samples of parts at our plant. 907 00:54:42,425 --> 00:54:45,053 That's all the USDA does. 908 00:54:49,140 --> 00:54:52,602 And just because it says that "USDA inspected" on there, 909 00:54:52,685 --> 00:54:56,022 it don't mean nothing because it's gotta be on their label. 910 00:54:56,106 --> 00:55:00,318 I wouldn't want to eat nothing coming from some of the plants myself. 911 00:55:01,945 --> 00:55:04,781 When you bring raw poultry into your kitchen, 912 00:55:04,864 --> 00:55:06,491 you're taking a significant risk. 913 00:55:06,574 --> 00:55:09,828 The real problem is that even somebody as careful as me, 914 00:55:09,911 --> 00:55:12,539 I'm a microbiologist that studies these pathogens, 915 00:55:12,622 --> 00:55:14,707 when I bring these packages into my house, 916 00:55:14,791 --> 00:55:18,336 it's really hard not to contaminate things. 917 00:55:20,046 --> 00:55:21,131 I'm gonna open that package, 918 00:55:21,214 --> 00:55:24,217 and I'm immediately gonna put that plastic into the trash. 919 00:55:25,385 --> 00:55:26,761 I'm gonna use my foot. 920 00:55:27,554 --> 00:55:29,180 Then I'm gonna take the chicken 921 00:55:29,264 --> 00:55:32,600 and immediately put it into, you know, hot oil and start frying it. 922 00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,770 -[whimsical music plays] -[chicken sizzling] 923 00:55:35,854 --> 00:55:37,856 Then I'm gonna throw away the rest of the package, 924 00:55:37,939 --> 00:55:41,192 but this time I touched the top of the trash can, right? 925 00:55:42,944 --> 00:55:45,029 And then I go wash my hand, and I turn on the faucet. 926 00:55:45,113 --> 00:55:46,489 I've just contaminated the faucet. 927 00:55:46,573 --> 00:55:48,783 I pump the soap. I've just contaminated the soap. 928 00:55:48,867 --> 00:55:50,702 I'm gonna wash my hands really well. 929 00:55:50,785 --> 00:55:53,246 Then I'm gonna rinse my hands, and shut off the faucet. 930 00:55:53,329 --> 00:55:55,999 I've just recontaminated my hand, and I'm gonna go make a salad. 931 00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,422 As careful as I am, those bacteria get around. 932 00:56:03,423 --> 00:56:05,175 [whimsical music ends] 933 00:56:05,258 --> 00:56:08,928 Once that salmonella is dry, it can stay on surfaces for months. 934 00:56:09,012 --> 00:56:11,848 It could still make someone sick when ingested. 935 00:56:11,931 --> 00:56:16,019 You should know that when you bring raw poultry into your kitchen, 936 00:56:16,102 --> 00:56:19,105 you are introducing into your household a biohazard, 937 00:56:19,189 --> 00:56:21,065 and you should handle it accordingly. 938 00:56:23,485 --> 00:56:24,986 [chicken sizzling] 939 00:56:25,069 --> 00:56:26,905 [Lance] When you consume salmonella, 940 00:56:26,988 --> 00:56:31,075 some of those strains also are resistant to multiple antibiotics, 941 00:56:31,159 --> 00:56:34,996 and so the likelihood that a treatment is going to fail is much higher. 942 00:56:38,666 --> 00:56:41,294 Those bacteria are going to continue to grow in your blood, 943 00:56:41,377 --> 00:56:44,005 and sadly, people die of these infections. 944 00:56:44,506 --> 00:56:48,927 [suspenseful music plays] 945 00:57:08,905 --> 00:57:11,491 [Mansour] So the way we test foods, 946 00:57:11,574 --> 00:57:15,745 I think the samples dropped off here for us to test were five samples 947 00:57:15,828 --> 00:57:19,999 of… of chicken that were purchased from local grocery stores. 948 00:57:21,918 --> 00:57:24,170 In about one hour, we get results, 949 00:57:25,588 --> 00:57:27,757 whether it has salmonella or not. 950 00:57:28,550 --> 00:57:30,301 [interviewer] On our first day of production, 951 00:57:30,385 --> 00:57:32,971 we went to a food safety lab in Seattle. 952 00:57:33,054 --> 00:57:36,432 We picked up five brands of raw chicken and tested them. 953 00:57:36,516 --> 00:57:39,686 And we were told by the lab, "You're not gonna get positive results." 954 00:57:39,769 --> 00:57:41,062 "It's too small of a sample." 955 00:57:41,145 --> 00:57:43,898 We got one positive results, and it was Perdue. 956 00:57:43,982 --> 00:57:46,818 -Can I just ask for your reaction to that? -[smacks lips] 957 00:57:46,901 --> 00:57:53,241 I would say a chicken is, uh, not even a fair thing to talk about. 958 00:57:53,324 --> 00:57:58,663 Uh, so, I mean, again, we run hundreds of birds 959 00:57:58,746 --> 00:58:01,207 in order to understand where we're at. 960 00:58:01,291 --> 00:58:03,668 And the other part is I would wonder 961 00:58:03,751 --> 00:58:07,338 what the salmonella was in particular. 962 00:58:07,422 --> 00:58:08,756 [interviewer] It was infantis. 963 00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:14,429 Yeah. Having said that, one chicken is not a fair… uh, fair discussion at all. 964 00:58:14,929 --> 00:58:18,224 [interviewer] What do you think would be a fair sample set? 965 00:58:18,308 --> 00:58:23,354 A hundred and fifty, uh, in a relatively short period of time. 966 00:58:25,857 --> 00:58:27,984 [tense music plays] 967 00:58:33,740 --> 00:58:38,494 [interviewer] So you're going to be testing 150 chicken parts 968 00:58:38,578 --> 00:58:40,622 for us over the course of five weeks 969 00:58:40,705 --> 00:58:44,083 from the top four major brands in this country. 970 00:58:48,463 --> 00:58:51,507 You're close to the end of testing all one hundred-- 971 00:58:51,591 --> 00:58:54,093 We're slightly-- We're about 60% of testing 972 00:58:54,177 --> 00:58:56,346 if you intend to bring in 150. 973 00:58:56,429 --> 00:59:00,433 Great. If I buy chicken at the grocery store, 974 00:59:00,516 --> 00:59:02,477 should I assume it's safe for me? 975 00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:08,816 In this country, if you buy poultry, uh, from any grocery store, 976 00:59:08,900 --> 00:59:11,736 regardless of the brand of poultry that you buy, 977 00:59:12,403 --> 00:59:15,907 your… your primary assumption should be that 978 00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:20,244 it contains pathogens such as salmonella and campylobacter. 979 00:59:21,663 --> 00:59:26,376 The fact of the matter is salmonella in chicken is okay to be sold. 980 00:59:26,459 --> 00:59:27,877 It's not an adulterant. 981 00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:33,257 So it's fine to knowingly sell salmonella, campylobacter-tainted chicken. 982 00:59:33,341 --> 00:59:34,926 [easy listening music plays] 983 00:59:35,009 --> 00:59:39,180 There was a famous case where the government and industry simply said 984 00:59:39,263 --> 00:59:42,684 that it was the housewife's job to protect the family. 985 00:59:45,978 --> 00:59:47,605 [Brian] What it boils down to 986 00:59:47,689 --> 00:59:49,357 is the courts ruled that, you know, 987 00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,776 the salmonella can't be considered an adulterant 988 00:59:51,859 --> 00:59:55,905 because housewives know how to cook chicken. 989 00:59:55,988 --> 00:59:58,908 [narrator] Can she prepare those favorite dishes of Tim's 990 00:59:58,991 --> 01:00:00,868 just like his mother used to make? 991 01:00:01,661 --> 01:00:04,455 [Brian] And therefore, it doesn't pose a threat to human illness. 992 01:00:05,498 --> 01:00:10,002 [narrator] Remember, it pays to play safe in the kitchen. 993 01:00:11,504 --> 01:00:15,299 This terrible court case dealt a death blow 994 01:00:15,383 --> 01:00:19,220 to… to regulation in the United States regarding salmonella. 995 01:00:19,303 --> 01:00:22,598 Sadly, a true death blow to a lot of people since. 996 01:00:22,682 --> 01:00:26,477 The USDA throws up its hand and says, 997 01:00:26,561 --> 01:00:32,400 "Toxic salmonella are a normal part of raw chicken." 998 01:00:32,483 --> 01:00:35,153 "You don't want toxic salmonella? Cook it." 999 01:00:39,657 --> 01:00:41,325 [Bill] That's what we're trying to change. 1000 01:00:42,076 --> 01:00:44,662 The burden shouldn't be with consumers. 1001 01:00:45,830 --> 01:00:48,916 And that's why we filed a petition with the USDA. 1002 01:00:50,376 --> 01:00:52,920 [tense music plays] 1003 01:01:03,222 --> 01:01:06,184 Well, welcome. Let me just say it's so good to really be, 1004 01:01:06,267 --> 01:01:08,352 uh, with… with all of you. 1005 01:01:08,436 --> 01:01:12,482 I… I just have such high regard for the work that you do and… 1006 01:01:12,565 --> 01:01:16,861 I know, Bill, you have petitions that you have moving forward, 1007 01:01:16,944 --> 01:01:20,114 and Sarah, you do, uh, as well. 1008 01:01:20,198 --> 01:01:22,617 And I'd love to have you just update me. 1009 01:01:23,201 --> 01:01:28,915 I made a really broad petition that would essentially encompass 1010 01:01:28,998 --> 01:01:33,461 making all salmonellas that cause human disease an adulterant. 1011 01:01:33,544 --> 01:01:37,673 Draw a line in the sand and say, you know, "Thou shalt not have a pathogen 1012 01:01:37,757 --> 01:01:40,551 in your food that can sicken or kill your kid." 1013 01:01:40,635 --> 01:01:42,428 [chuckles] Science supports that. 1014 01:01:42,512 --> 01:01:46,349 Yeah, these pathogens are taking advantage of the gaps we have in our current system. 1015 01:01:46,432 --> 01:01:47,308 Yeah. 1016 01:01:47,391 --> 01:01:51,103 I mean, I think the common thread of all the work that we're all doing 1017 01:01:51,187 --> 01:01:54,273 is modernizing the outdated system that we have now. 1018 01:01:54,357 --> 01:01:56,943 [splutters] That's the importance of this conversation. 1019 01:01:57,026 --> 01:01:58,986 You spoke, Sarah, about the gaps. 1020 01:01:59,070 --> 01:02:02,490 -[Sarah] Mm. -Where are-- And I speak legislatively. 1021 01:02:02,573 --> 01:02:05,618 Where are the gaps that we need to try to fill in? 1022 01:02:05,701 --> 01:02:07,537 We really don't have a government agency 1023 01:02:07,620 --> 01:02:10,623 that's able to go onto farms and look at food safety risks. 1024 01:02:10,706 --> 01:02:16,170 They can regulate diseases that cause animal illnesses, 1025 01:02:16,254 --> 01:02:21,175 but they turn a blind eye to the diseases that cause human illness. 1026 01:02:21,259 --> 01:02:23,803 If it makes you sick… 1027 01:02:25,805 --> 01:02:27,807 [hesitates] …let's regulate it. 1028 01:02:27,890 --> 01:02:28,766 We can do it, 1029 01:02:28,850 --> 01:02:31,853 but I… I don't have to tell anyone around this table 1030 01:02:31,936 --> 01:02:33,813 about the strength of the lobby. 1031 01:02:33,896 --> 01:02:34,981 -[Bill] Right. -[Brian] Yeah. 1032 01:02:35,064 --> 01:02:36,983 [Rosa] You have to know what you're up against. 1033 01:02:37,483 --> 01:02:42,488 The food lobbyists are more powerful than the consumer at the moment. 1034 01:02:42,572 --> 01:02:45,032 It's… it's very, very political. 1035 01:02:45,616 --> 01:02:46,576 Um… 1036 01:02:46,659 --> 01:02:52,582 In… in a very, um… in my view, in a dangerous way. 1037 01:02:53,249 --> 01:02:55,251 [tense music plays] 1038 01:02:59,589 --> 01:03:02,675 [Marion] Food companies hate regulation. 1039 01:03:03,217 --> 01:03:05,803 They pay very expensive lobbyists 1040 01:03:05,887 --> 01:03:07,638 to lobby the federal government 1041 01:03:07,722 --> 01:03:13,185 to make sure that the regulatory oversight is extremely limited. 1042 01:03:13,269 --> 01:03:14,979 Madam chairman and committee members, 1043 01:03:15,062 --> 01:03:17,982 as you can appreciate, there are many issues impacting the state 1044 01:03:18,065 --> 01:03:20,610 of the chicken industry as I speak to you today. 1045 01:03:21,110 --> 01:03:23,613 [Marion] They go to Congress and say, 1046 01:03:23,696 --> 01:03:26,532 "We know you're considering a bill 1047 01:03:26,616 --> 01:03:31,495 to pass very tight regulations about food safety." 1048 01:03:31,579 --> 01:03:35,625 As Henry Ford once said, "Don't find fault. Find a remedy." 1049 01:03:36,459 --> 01:03:38,085 [Bill] As soon as we propose something, 1050 01:03:38,711 --> 01:03:41,005 you know, the industry groups are gonna come in, 1051 01:03:41,088 --> 01:03:43,633 and they're gonna have their stories 1052 01:03:43,716 --> 01:03:46,969 about why this would be burdensome on industry, 1053 01:03:47,053 --> 01:03:49,388 and meat prices are gonna go higher, 1054 01:03:49,472 --> 01:03:53,559 people are gonna lose their jobs, and it's the consumer's responsibility. 1055 01:03:53,643 --> 01:03:56,979 All those arguments were the ones they said, 1056 01:03:57,063 --> 01:04:01,359 you know, when E. coli O157:H7 was listed as an adulterant. 1057 01:04:01,442 --> 01:04:04,111 You know, the world was gonna fall apart, and it didn't. 1058 01:04:04,195 --> 01:04:06,197 [tense music ends] 1059 01:04:08,491 --> 01:04:11,535 [Mindy] I was the undersecretary for food safety 1060 01:04:11,619 --> 01:04:15,373 which was the highest-ranking food safety official in the US. 1061 01:04:16,123 --> 01:04:18,751 And, I mean, I'm a scientist. I'm not a politician. 1062 01:04:18,834 --> 01:04:20,920 I was there to make the food supply safe. 1063 01:04:22,546 --> 01:04:27,343 When you put agendas and, you know, political interest aside, 1064 01:04:27,426 --> 01:04:28,928 then you can solve problems. 1065 01:04:29,011 --> 01:04:32,139 You can get data, you can find the answers, 1066 01:04:32,223 --> 01:04:34,600 and then you can find something that actually works. 1067 01:04:34,684 --> 01:04:37,979 Obviously, regulations are important. I'm not saying they're not. 1068 01:04:38,062 --> 01:04:41,190 But it's better for us to be able to come to the table 1069 01:04:41,273 --> 01:04:43,609 before we have to move to regulation. 1070 01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,363 [interviewer] When you were nominated for your position by President Trump, 1071 01:04:47,446 --> 01:04:50,866 a lobbyist for the National Cattlemen's Beef Association said that this was 1072 01:04:50,950 --> 01:04:53,160 great news for the industry. 1073 01:04:53,244 --> 01:04:56,038 Why was the industry so excited about you in particular? 1074 01:04:56,122 --> 01:04:57,456 Because I'm a scientist, 1075 01:04:57,540 --> 01:05:00,501 and they knew I'd make data-driven, science-based decisions. 1076 01:05:01,419 --> 01:05:03,921 [interviewer] It had nothing to do with the fact 1077 01:05:04,005 --> 01:05:06,716 that you had received a lot of money for your research 1078 01:05:06,799 --> 01:05:09,343 from this very same group over the years? 1079 01:05:09,427 --> 01:05:11,345 No. I mean… [splutters] 1080 01:05:11,429 --> 01:05:12,680 No. [chuckles] 1081 01:05:13,305 --> 01:05:17,018 I do wish that that money, you know, was my personal money. 1082 01:05:17,101 --> 01:05:20,021 It never-- It wasn't. It was university given to-- 1083 01:05:20,104 --> 01:05:23,357 It was money given to the university to do research. 1084 01:05:23,441 --> 01:05:27,903 And that's how we fund research programs, is through grants from the cattlemen, 1085 01:05:27,987 --> 01:05:31,866 through, uh, you know, the meat institute, all those different organizations. 1086 01:05:31,949 --> 01:05:35,369 [interviewer] Are you saying it isn't a conflict of interest for you to regulate 1087 01:05:35,453 --> 01:05:38,622 the very industry that has funded so many of your studies? 1088 01:05:38,706 --> 01:05:42,960 It didn't necessarily change the way I looked at the industry at all. 1089 01:05:43,044 --> 01:05:46,756 If anything, you know, I knew where the pathogens were 1090 01:05:46,839 --> 01:05:48,340 and how to control them 1091 01:05:48,424 --> 01:05:51,260 and all of those different components of the industry. 1092 01:05:51,343 --> 01:05:54,680 So I think it just made me a stronger person in that position. 1093 01:05:55,806 --> 01:05:58,434 [interviewer] Was your nomination also great news, do you think, 1094 01:05:58,517 --> 01:06:01,604 for the consumers that rely on the government to keep their food safe? 1095 01:06:01,687 --> 01:06:04,857 Yes. I'm a very strong consumer advocate. 1096 01:06:12,573 --> 01:06:16,452 And, you know, it's not just, you know, Mindy Brashears, you know. 1097 01:06:16,535 --> 01:06:18,204 It's everyone in government. 1098 01:06:18,287 --> 01:06:22,416 They get into this… you know, into this political realm. 1099 01:06:22,500 --> 01:06:25,836 And it doesn't seem like they really 1100 01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:29,423 are paying attention to the people's business. 1101 01:06:30,591 --> 01:06:34,345 [interviewer] Have you made a decision on the Marler petition yet? 1102 01:06:34,428 --> 01:06:35,846 No, we have not. 1103 01:06:35,930 --> 01:06:40,601 We are examining and assessing the requests in the context 1104 01:06:40,684 --> 01:06:44,855 of our larger salmonella initiative. 1105 01:06:44,939 --> 01:06:49,276 Their goal in each of the petitions is to do a better job 1106 01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:54,949 at reducing salmonella, the strains that make people sick. 1107 01:06:55,032 --> 01:06:58,160 We have the same exact goal. 1108 01:06:59,620 --> 01:07:04,083 When Mike Taylor deemed E. coli O157:H7 an adulterant, 1109 01:07:04,166 --> 01:07:05,960 he had complete authority to do that. 1110 01:07:06,043 --> 01:07:08,629 There's absolutely no reason that, 1111 01:07:08,712 --> 01:07:14,844 uh, Sandy Eskin couldn't do exactly the same thing on her own right now. 1112 01:07:14,927 --> 01:07:16,345 [interviewer] She has the authority? 1113 01:07:16,428 --> 01:07:21,016 Absolutely. She has the authority to deem salmonella an adulterant in chicken. 1114 01:07:21,100 --> 01:07:22,726 [interviewer] So why doesn't she? 1115 01:07:22,810 --> 01:07:25,521 Because, uh, the industry would… 1116 01:07:25,604 --> 01:07:28,190 And I should say this knowing that it's chicken, 1117 01:07:28,274 --> 01:07:32,153 the industry would squawk, um, and they would squawk loudly. 1118 01:07:32,236 --> 01:07:34,238 [chickens clucking loudly] 1119 01:07:36,073 --> 01:07:39,493 I feel like the industry hasn't held up their end of the bargain. 1120 01:07:40,911 --> 01:07:41,954 You can go to Europe 1121 01:07:42,037 --> 01:07:43,831 and buy packages that are labeled, 1122 01:07:43,914 --> 01:07:45,833 you know, "pathogen-free" there. 1123 01:07:45,916 --> 01:07:47,918 You can't get that in the United States. 1124 01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:51,297 [Sarah] They went back to the farm, 1125 01:07:51,380 --> 01:07:54,341 and they prioritized getting rid of the worst types of salmonella 1126 01:07:54,425 --> 01:07:55,551 that make humans sick. 1127 01:07:56,135 --> 01:07:58,679 [Bill] They vaccinate chicken against salmonella. 1128 01:07:58,762 --> 01:08:02,474 They sometimes eradicate flocks that are contaminated with salmonella, 1129 01:08:02,558 --> 01:08:05,936 and they do those interventions before they hit the slaughterhouse 1130 01:08:06,020 --> 01:08:10,441 because once they hit the slaughterhouse, you know, it's not gonna help. 1131 01:08:10,941 --> 01:08:12,943 [tense music plays] 1132 01:08:17,198 --> 01:08:20,659 So it's not like we can't do it. 1133 01:08:20,743 --> 01:08:26,373 Um, we just don't have the political will yet to do it. 1134 01:08:29,210 --> 01:08:31,128 [whirring] 1135 01:08:31,212 --> 01:08:34,131 When you look at what happened to Stephanie Ingberg, 1136 01:08:34,798 --> 01:08:37,593 there's no question we're not doing enough. 1137 01:08:37,676 --> 01:08:40,763 The government's not doing enough. The industry's not doing enough. 1138 01:08:40,846 --> 01:08:42,223 [heart monitor beeping] 1139 01:08:45,184 --> 01:08:47,228 [Scott] Stephanie, you know, when we first found out 1140 01:08:47,311 --> 01:08:50,856 that first morning that she was back that she may not live very much longer, 1141 01:08:50,940 --> 01:08:56,362 the fact that she didn't die, uh, gave us hope. She was still with us. 1142 01:08:56,445 --> 01:08:59,198 She was still in a coma. We couldn't communicate with her. 1143 01:08:59,281 --> 01:09:01,951 They… they didn't know why she wasn't waking up. 1144 01:09:02,034 --> 01:09:04,828 And I think that's what led to the question about the brain injury, 1145 01:09:04,912 --> 01:09:06,205 that she just wasn't waking up. 1146 01:09:06,288 --> 01:09:08,290 [heart monitor beeping] 1147 01:09:09,041 --> 01:09:10,876 The priest came in saying a prayer. 1148 01:09:12,169 --> 01:09:14,922 And during that prayer, her eyes just started to slit open. 1149 01:09:15,005 --> 01:09:16,924 And that was the first sign of waking up. 1150 01:09:18,217 --> 01:09:19,051 Yeah. 1151 01:09:21,804 --> 01:09:23,472 [sniffles] Okay. 1152 01:09:23,555 --> 01:09:25,975 [Stephanie] I specifically remember when I woke up, 1153 01:09:26,475 --> 01:09:30,020 everyone was surrounding me, and everyone was very emotional around me. 1154 01:09:30,104 --> 01:09:32,648 I'm like, "What is the big deal? Why is everyone so sad right now?" 1155 01:09:32,731 --> 01:09:34,108 "I don't understand." 1156 01:09:34,191 --> 01:09:36,193 [dramatic music plays] 1157 01:09:39,571 --> 01:09:43,993 So they were telling me that I got, um, a strain of E. coli. 1158 01:09:44,076 --> 01:09:45,077 [Pablo] Okay. 1159 01:09:45,577 --> 01:09:47,705 Do you have any pain when I poke in there? 1160 01:09:47,788 --> 01:09:48,664 -No. -[Pablo] No. 1161 01:09:49,915 --> 01:09:53,335 [Stephanie] And it can give you HUS, which is a fatal kidney disease, 1162 01:09:53,419 --> 01:09:54,503 which is what I got. 1163 01:09:58,924 --> 01:10:03,387 [Pablo] This condition in her body was like a nuclear bomb exploding inside you, 1164 01:10:03,470 --> 01:10:06,015 where it hits every single organ, 1165 01:10:06,098 --> 01:10:08,726 and then you have to get there and pick up the pieces. 1166 01:10:10,978 --> 01:10:13,522 [Pablo in scene] Okay, good, we're gonna go to the left side now. 1167 01:10:14,481 --> 01:10:17,943 [Stephanie] It took me a long time to rebuild my strength. 1168 01:10:18,694 --> 01:10:20,612 -[Pablo] Feels better, huh? -[chuckles] 1169 01:10:20,696 --> 01:10:24,366 My coma kind of knocked me out for the hardest parts, 1170 01:10:24,450 --> 01:10:25,784 but I know there were moments 1171 01:10:25,868 --> 01:10:28,787 that my family and my doctors didn't think I was gonna make it through, 1172 01:10:28,871 --> 01:10:30,539 which has been really hard on them. 1173 01:10:30,622 --> 01:10:34,376 And it's hard for me to know that I put them through that pain. 1174 01:10:35,085 --> 01:10:35,919 Um… 1175 01:10:38,422 --> 01:10:39,256 But… 1176 01:10:39,757 --> 01:10:40,591 Yeah. 1177 01:10:41,759 --> 01:10:44,928 Control it all the way. I'm gonna look at your knees as you go. 1178 01:10:45,012 --> 01:10:47,264 [Stephanie] I had a lot of physical therapy, 1179 01:10:47,348 --> 01:10:50,017 a handful of outpatient dialysis visits. 1180 01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:52,019 I had doctor's appointments every day. 1181 01:10:52,102 --> 01:10:55,522 My mom couldn't go back to work for months because she had to drive me 1182 01:10:55,606 --> 01:10:58,901 to probably two or three doctor's appointments every day. 1183 01:10:58,984 --> 01:11:03,697 You know, I had a few goals set in place that helped motivate me. 1184 01:11:03,781 --> 01:11:05,616 You know, I was graduating in May. 1185 01:11:05,699 --> 01:11:09,370 Being able to, um, you know, walk at graduation 1186 01:11:10,287 --> 01:11:13,165 was one of my biggest goals because at the time I couldn't walk. 1187 01:11:13,248 --> 01:11:15,501 [crowd cheering] 1188 01:11:22,049 --> 01:11:23,175 [sniffles] 1189 01:11:23,258 --> 01:11:26,387 And I'm crying, but I achieved all those goals. 1190 01:11:26,470 --> 01:11:29,848 You know, I… I got to go to prom. I got to walk at graduation… 1191 01:11:29,932 --> 01:11:31,141 [camera shutter clicks] 1192 01:11:33,894 --> 01:11:36,688 …which, you know, I feel like I'm pretty lucky 1193 01:11:36,772 --> 01:11:38,941 to be able to say I was able to do, 1194 01:11:39,024 --> 01:11:41,485 given the circumstances. [sniffles] 1195 01:11:42,820 --> 01:11:45,364 You are still having protein spillage in the urine. 1196 01:11:46,031 --> 01:11:48,409 That is unfortunately not normal. 1197 01:11:48,492 --> 01:11:51,703 And that's why we're using, uh, this medication, Lisinopril. 1198 01:11:52,246 --> 01:11:54,456 Unfortunately, uh, 1199 01:11:55,457 --> 01:11:59,253 it's been four years now, and I'm not seeing this going away. 1200 01:12:00,629 --> 01:12:02,923 [Stephanie] I'm kind of nervous for what the future holds 1201 01:12:03,006 --> 01:12:06,260 with my kidney health and everything. I try not to think about it. 1202 01:12:07,970 --> 01:12:09,847 I have to take a medication every day 1203 01:12:09,930 --> 01:12:13,851 to try to tighten the filters in my kidneys. 1204 01:12:14,810 --> 01:12:17,271 I've talked to my nephrologist, and there's a possibility 1205 01:12:17,354 --> 01:12:19,398 that I might have to get a kidney transplant. 1206 01:12:19,481 --> 01:12:23,735 I mean, I might have to be on dialysis for the rest of my life. 1207 01:12:23,819 --> 01:12:25,404 Like, you never wanna hear that. 1208 01:12:25,904 --> 01:12:27,906 [chair creaking] 1209 01:12:30,492 --> 01:12:34,121 [Sarah] I think some people tend to brush off foodborne illness. 1210 01:12:36,582 --> 01:12:37,875 Oh, it's a little stomach ache. 1211 01:12:37,958 --> 01:12:40,794 You know, it's some extra time in the bathroom. It's no big deal. 1212 01:12:42,588 --> 01:12:45,424 [Stephanie] It is so much more than that, you know. 1213 01:12:45,507 --> 01:12:49,720 It's comas and brain damage and kidney trauma 1214 01:12:49,803 --> 01:12:52,431 and definitely should be taken seriously. 1215 01:12:52,514 --> 01:12:54,600 I ate a salad, and, you know, 1216 01:12:54,683 --> 01:12:58,437 now I have long-term health effects from it. 1217 01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:00,522 [tense music plays] 1218 01:13:02,733 --> 01:13:06,987 [Brian] If you were to develop a list of the highest-risk foods right now, 1219 01:13:07,070 --> 01:13:10,949 romaine lettuce would be near the top, if not at the top. 1220 01:13:12,242 --> 01:13:14,578 [interviewer] I'm curious if you eat romaine? 1221 01:13:14,661 --> 01:13:15,496 I don't. 1222 01:13:16,205 --> 01:13:17,623 [interviewer] Do you eat romaine? 1223 01:13:17,706 --> 01:13:21,668 [splutters] I do steer clear of romaine for the most part. 1224 01:13:21,752 --> 01:13:22,753 [laughs] 1225 01:13:22,836 --> 01:13:25,214 I mean, I think about it every time I eat it. 1226 01:13:25,297 --> 01:13:29,092 I, you know… I've rolled the dice. [laughs] 1227 01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:32,721 [interviewer] Are there any foods that you both absolutely avoid? 1228 01:13:33,222 --> 01:13:37,267 Bagged-- We don't buy prepackaged bagged salads. 1229 01:13:37,351 --> 01:13:38,268 -Um… -[Julie] Yeah. 1230 01:13:38,352 --> 01:13:43,941 We kind of tend to shy away from romaine, especially from Yuma or Salinas. 1231 01:13:45,317 --> 01:13:47,819 [birds chirping] 1232 01:13:52,074 --> 01:13:54,535 [interviewer] Has the LGMA response prevented 1233 01:13:54,618 --> 01:13:56,745 leafy greens outbreaks in your opinion? 1234 01:13:57,829 --> 01:14:01,375 LGMA has made a significant difference in this industry. 1235 01:14:02,251 --> 01:14:04,253 [interviewer] Are there any studies that document 1236 01:14:04,336 --> 01:14:08,048 the improvement of safety after the implementation of LGMA? 1237 01:14:08,131 --> 01:14:10,217 [inhales, exhales] 1238 01:14:16,098 --> 01:14:17,849 I don't know of any. [inhales] 1239 01:14:17,933 --> 01:14:20,727 [interviewer] So you say that you feel confident 1240 01:14:20,811 --> 01:14:22,521 that it's prevented certain outbreaks-- 1241 01:14:22,604 --> 01:14:23,522 Absolutely. 1242 01:14:23,605 --> 01:14:25,190 [interviewer] I want to run through 1243 01:14:26,149 --> 01:14:28,402 some things that have gone down the past five years. 1244 01:14:28,485 --> 01:14:31,697 So September 2017, eight people sick from spinach. 1245 01:14:31,780 --> 01:14:36,994 November 2017, 67 people sick from another unknown leafy green outbreak. 1246 01:14:37,077 --> 01:14:40,747 Then the following year in March, a big one, 248 people, five dead. 1247 01:14:40,831 --> 01:14:42,374 April 2018, ten people. 1248 01:14:42,457 --> 01:14:45,669 October 2018, three separate leafy green outbreaks, 1249 01:14:45,752 --> 01:14:47,170 sickening 135 people. 1250 01:14:47,254 --> 01:14:50,132 November, same thing, 167 people sick. 1251 01:14:50,215 --> 01:14:52,884 November 2019, two more outbreaks that same year. 1252 01:14:52,968 --> 01:14:55,637 October 2020, 40 people. 1253 01:14:55,721 --> 01:14:57,764 This isn't a great track record, is it? 1254 01:14:58,807 --> 01:15:00,350 I think we have a lot to be proud of. 1255 01:15:00,434 --> 01:15:03,979 Certainly, every one of those is… is a tragic incident 1256 01:15:04,062 --> 01:15:06,148 and the effect it had on those consumers. 1257 01:15:06,231 --> 01:15:10,819 But I am confident of the progress that we have made through the LGMA 1258 01:15:10,902 --> 01:15:13,322 and the difference we have made in the industry. 1259 01:15:15,157 --> 01:15:17,159 [tense music plays] 1260 01:15:19,077 --> 01:15:21,371 [Christine] One thing that jumped out at me when reporting 1261 01:15:21,455 --> 01:15:23,165 on these romaine lettuce outbreaks 1262 01:15:23,248 --> 01:15:26,293 is how little the federal government 1263 01:15:26,376 --> 01:15:28,337 was doing to address them. 1264 01:15:28,420 --> 01:15:30,881 [machine whirring] 1265 01:15:30,964 --> 01:15:34,009 For many years, we've given the responsibility to the businesses 1266 01:15:34,092 --> 01:15:37,471 and let them take responsibility, and that's not working. 1267 01:15:38,347 --> 01:15:39,973 [interviewer] I'm being asked to wrap up. 1268 01:15:40,057 --> 01:15:43,935 What do you want the viewers to know about this issue? 1269 01:15:44,519 --> 01:15:46,313 Well, I would like your viewers to know 1270 01:15:46,396 --> 01:15:49,524 that the US has among the safest food systems in the world. 1271 01:15:49,608 --> 01:15:53,779 But we plan to work together to create an even safer, more digital, 1272 01:15:53,862 --> 01:15:57,824 transparent, and sustainable food system that's going to be good for consumers. 1273 01:15:57,908 --> 01:16:01,078 It'll be good for producers, and it will be good for the planet. 1274 01:16:03,622 --> 01:16:05,999 I can't even tell you how many times 1275 01:16:06,083 --> 01:16:10,212 I have heard policymakers, executives, leaders say the phrase, 1276 01:16:10,295 --> 01:16:12,631 "America has the safest food system in the world." 1277 01:16:12,714 --> 01:16:17,427 But there seems to have been this endless cycle 1278 01:16:17,511 --> 01:16:23,308 of failure and outbreaks and recalls and illnesses and deaths. 1279 01:16:23,392 --> 01:16:25,143 You know, when I hear politicians say, 1280 01:16:25,227 --> 01:16:27,437 "We've got the safest food system in the world," 1281 01:16:27,521 --> 01:16:30,607 it's just… it's laughable. We don't have the safest food system in the world. 1282 01:16:30,691 --> 01:16:33,527 I mean, these pathogens are controllable. We're not controlling them. 1283 01:16:33,610 --> 01:16:35,946 We're in the United States. We expect better. 1284 01:16:37,072 --> 01:16:41,535 And when the safety of our food supply lets us down, it lets us down big-time. 1285 01:16:41,618 --> 01:16:44,955 [dramatic music plays] 1286 01:16:58,844 --> 01:17:00,846 [chickens clucking] 1287 01:17:13,150 --> 01:17:16,903 [Brian] Right now, the government is not doing enough to protect consumers. 1288 01:17:18,321 --> 01:17:21,408 And then consumers, because the burden is often on them 1289 01:17:21,491 --> 01:17:22,701 when it gets to that level, 1290 01:17:22,784 --> 01:17:25,996 you know, they have to make sure that they're taking the proper steps at home. 1291 01:17:26,079 --> 01:17:28,081 [upbeat music plays] 1292 01:17:30,333 --> 01:17:34,504 I would say number one food on my list that I avoid is cantaloupe. 1293 01:17:35,797 --> 01:17:37,549 You cannot properly clean the outside, 1294 01:17:37,632 --> 01:17:40,594 and once you bring that knife through it, it's too late. 1295 01:17:40,677 --> 01:17:42,679 And there's no kill step for cantaloupe. 1296 01:17:43,972 --> 01:17:45,807 Number two is sprouts. 1297 01:17:46,641 --> 01:17:49,853 Every other year, there's a significant outbreak 1298 01:17:49,936 --> 01:17:52,355 where there's just no way to clean them. 1299 01:17:53,690 --> 01:17:56,985 I would say number three would be bagged lettuce. 1300 01:17:58,361 --> 01:18:01,323 Your spring mix. Your different salad mixes. 1301 01:18:01,406 --> 01:18:05,160 You don't necessarily know how many heads of lettuce that came from. 1302 01:18:05,243 --> 01:18:07,496 Or do you even know if it came from any one place? 1303 01:18:13,168 --> 01:18:16,046 [Bill] All the outbreaks that I've been involved in 1304 01:18:16,713 --> 01:18:20,842 are triple-washed, bagged, and shipped around the country. 1305 01:18:22,511 --> 01:18:25,972 You know, buy it in a whole head and wash it yourself. 1306 01:18:26,598 --> 01:18:28,308 Control your own environment. 1307 01:18:30,727 --> 01:18:32,395 [Sarah] Today, when we were ordering lunch, 1308 01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:35,065 I avoided everything that has that little star on it on the menu 1309 01:18:35,148 --> 01:18:38,693 saying consumption of undercooked meat can expose you to risk. 1310 01:18:38,777 --> 01:18:41,029 So there was some raw fish they were serving, 1311 01:18:41,112 --> 01:18:42,906 and I, uh, took a pass on that one. 1312 01:18:45,951 --> 01:18:49,037 [Timothy] You need to decide, "Am I a person who loves raw oysters enough 1313 01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:53,166 that I want to take the risks that are associated with raw oysters?" 1314 01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,753 [Sarah] I don't wanna be one of those people who ends up losing a limb 1315 01:18:56,837 --> 01:18:58,755 because of, uh, you know, a night out. 1316 01:18:58,839 --> 01:19:00,131 Yeah. 1317 01:19:02,300 --> 01:19:03,927 Thank you. Thank you very much. 1318 01:19:04,010 --> 01:19:05,053 Thanks. 1319 01:19:07,347 --> 01:19:08,515 What are you having? 1320 01:19:09,057 --> 01:19:14,271 I'm gonna have a hamburger cooked to 155 degrees internal temperature, 1321 01:19:14,771 --> 01:19:16,398 uh, french fries, 1322 01:19:16,481 --> 01:19:17,440 and that's it. 1323 01:19:17,524 --> 01:19:18,859 [server] Okay. You got it. 1324 01:19:19,359 --> 01:19:21,987 [burgers sizzling] 1325 01:19:22,070 --> 01:19:25,240 [Ben] When you go to a restaurant and you want to order a hamburger, 1326 01:19:25,323 --> 01:19:28,118 the best thing to do is order to temperature, 1327 01:19:28,702 --> 01:19:33,039 because medium rare, rare, well-done, those are all subjective. 1328 01:19:33,123 --> 01:19:36,543 You can't look at color or whether juices run clear. 1329 01:19:36,626 --> 01:19:39,963 And if they say, "We don't have a thermometer. We can't cook to that." 1330 01:19:40,046 --> 01:19:41,840 Then I'd order something else. 1331 01:19:41,923 --> 01:19:42,966 [bell dings] 1332 01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:53,393 I think when I first started doing this kind of work, 1333 01:19:53,476 --> 01:19:54,895 I kind of thought that, 1334 01:19:55,604 --> 01:19:58,857 you know, if you sued enough people and you took enough money, 1335 01:19:58,940 --> 01:20:00,734 that that would change their behavior. 1336 01:20:00,817 --> 01:20:03,862 I just turned 64, you know, 1337 01:20:03,945 --> 01:20:08,283 and I just don't feel like I've accomplished what I was hoping to do. 1338 01:20:09,075 --> 01:20:10,118 So… 1339 01:20:10,201 --> 01:20:14,456 'Cause I really did think, you know… I really did think that, you know, 1340 01:20:14,539 --> 01:20:17,292 by the time I got to this stage that, 1341 01:20:18,084 --> 01:20:22,339 um, you know, this kind of thing wouldn't be happening anymore. 1342 01:20:23,214 --> 01:20:24,424 But it happens 1343 01:20:24,925 --> 01:20:25,884 all the time. 1344 01:20:26,384 --> 01:20:30,013 ♪ Buried, banging at your door ♪ 1345 01:20:32,682 --> 01:20:34,935 ♪ Don't hear a sound… ♪ 1346 01:20:35,018 --> 01:20:39,606 After my son died, I assumed that either the government, 1347 01:20:40,315 --> 01:20:41,858 you know, laws and policies, 1348 01:20:41,942 --> 01:20:44,611 or science and technology would take care of this. 1349 01:20:44,694 --> 01:20:49,491 We wouldn't be dealing with food safety like we're talking about in 1993. 1350 01:20:50,825 --> 01:20:52,827 ♪ A rising steam… ♪ 1351 01:20:54,996 --> 01:20:59,751 Regulators have the ability to set the tone and to build a framework 1352 01:20:59,834 --> 01:21:02,170 that encourages industry to do the right thing. 1353 01:21:02,253 --> 01:21:04,381 ♪ On the devil's tree ♪ 1354 01:21:06,424 --> 01:21:08,218 ♪ I clutched a branch… ♪ 1355 01:21:08,301 --> 01:21:12,138 If the public makes their voices heard 1356 01:21:13,098 --> 01:21:16,810 and puts pressure on their legislators, 1357 01:21:16,893 --> 01:21:20,772 let them know that this is not acceptable, 1358 01:21:20,855 --> 01:21:26,403 then I believe, yes, legislators will act on their behalf. 1359 01:21:27,487 --> 01:21:30,323 ♪ I walk alone ♪ 1360 01:21:30,407 --> 01:21:32,450 ♪ Beside myself… ♪ 1361 01:21:32,534 --> 01:21:35,996 I think you just have to keep fighting the battles that are in front of you, 1362 01:21:36,079 --> 01:21:39,332 and I still think there are things more to do, um, 1363 01:21:39,416 --> 01:21:41,793 so I guess I got to get busy. 1364 01:21:41,876 --> 01:21:45,505 ["Flesh and Bone" by Black Math continues] 1365 01:21:54,305 --> 01:21:55,598 ♪ Ah ♪ 1366 01:21:57,684 --> 01:22:01,146 ♪ Ooh-ooh-ooh ♪ 1367 01:22:05,608 --> 01:22:09,863 ♪ Ah ♪ 1368 01:22:09,946 --> 01:22:12,282 ♪ I walk alone ♪ 1369 01:22:13,033 --> 01:22:15,535 ♪ Beside myself ♪ 1370 01:22:16,286 --> 01:22:18,663 ♪ Nowhere to go ♪ 1371 01:22:22,667 --> 01:22:25,211 ♪ This bleeding heart ♪ 1372 01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:29,007 ♪ Is in my hands ♪ 1373 01:22:29,090 --> 01:22:32,260 ♪ I fell apart ♪ 1374 01:22:32,343 --> 01:22:35,555 ♪ My flesh and bone ♪ 1375 01:22:38,641 --> 01:22:41,811 ♪ My flesh and bone ♪ 1376 01:22:43,480 --> 01:22:45,273 ♪ Ah ♪ 1377 01:22:45,356 --> 01:22:48,068 ♪ My flesh and bone ♪ 1378 01:22:48,151 --> 01:22:51,446 ["Flesh and Bone" by Black Math ends] 1379 01:22:53,198 --> 01:22:55,867 [sizzling] 119458

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