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- You're gonna be all right, mate.
- They're in there! Others.
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They're in there! Others.
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Clear! Clear!
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Clear!
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This one's still
alive. Get a medic!
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In this country, although we pride
ourselves on our freedom of speech,
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it is not an enshrined right.
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Now, Shelby Brookes
was correctly convicted
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for stirring up hatred against
persons on religious grounds,
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contrary to the Public
Order Act 1986, Section 29,
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as inserted by the Racial
and Religious Hatred Act 2006.
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The evidence
presented at this trial
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clearly demonstrates that he
intended to stir up such hatred.
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And in one particularly
offensive passage, and I quote,
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"Islam is a backward religion.
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"It's highly dangerous
and intolerant.
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"Everyone knows it, but
we're becoming a state
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"where ordinary British people
are scared to take action..."
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"like proper citizens." Unquote.
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Now, these words
may seem harmless,
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but spoken at the end
of a rally in Bradford,
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they were deliberately
provocative
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and led to rioting.
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I'm Sir Ian Rochester,
Permanent Secretary of the DCA.
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Thanks.
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Now, I ask you to give proper
weight to the statutory protections,
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as inserted by 29j of the Act.
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This guarantees that
none of the provisions
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to which Sir Alan has
directed Your Lordships
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can ever be interpreted in such a
way as to prohibit or restrict discussion,
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criticism, ridicule or even
abuse of particular religions
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or the beliefs of
their adherents.
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Attacking an individual,
that is a different matter.
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Shelby Brookes didn't do that.
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He has a protected right,
like every other person,
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to challenge or condemn
any belief system or religion.
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Despite legislation put in place to
protect his right to criticise ideas,
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the police chose to be
provocative in arresting him.
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So, unless and until we
proscribe Mr Brookes's party,
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we must defend
to our dying breath
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his right to speak
freely, within the law,
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regardless of who that offends.
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Thank you, Mrs Mills.
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Would you defend your client's
right to deny the Holocaust?
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He made such a
statement on one occasion.
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As offensive as that idea is, the
law must defend his right to express it.
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- The alternative is dictatorship.
- Hmm.
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We shall adjourn to
consider our judgment.
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All rise.
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Good morning?
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Well, I should feel more sanguine
about it if Deed wasn't on the bench.
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- Did you see the mob outside?
- And why the police allow it...
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Oh, yes, the Cabinet's
braced for trouble if this, uh,
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if this appeal succeeds.
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Deed won't let
that influence him.
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I thought he'd been
sent off to The Hague.
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There's no work for him there.
He's at liberty to sit back here.
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Mrs Mills, your feelings?
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I think it's shameful the
Government ever brought this case.
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What else could I expect
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from that radical bunch of loonies
that she's joined forces with?
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His opinions are odious,
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but in a democratic society, is it
really necessary that we zip his mouth?
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Well, Article 10 of the European
Convention forbids us to do so.
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Not entirely. It restricts
his rights sometimes,
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for public safety and for the
protection of the rights of others.
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Brookes is a racist.
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He hates blacks and
Muslims and gays and Jews,
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and people with six
toes, for all I know.
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And despite the
location of his speech,
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Brookes was careful to
attack only the religion.
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Can we permit a religious
creed to be immune from criticism
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simply because its adherents
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claim that that
criticism is insulting?
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We have to try to get behind
the words, Joe, to intent.
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Wasn't Islam being
held up in hatred?
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There is European jurisprudence,
Jersild versus Denmark, 1955.
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A journalist was convicted of
aiding and abetting racial hatred.
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He had interviewed
three neo-Nazis.
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On overturning the conviction,
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the court ruled that it would
seriously hamper press freedom
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were he prevented from
disseminating such views.
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This still ignores Article 17.
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We can't interpret any right
in the Convention in any way
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that allows Brookes to destroy
any of its other rights and freedoms.
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Brookes was following the law
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by not attacking the security of
the Muslims under the Convention,
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only their ideas.
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Ideas lead to physical
reality, Joe, violence.
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I can't believe that Brookes
wasn't aware of that.
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There's very little we can do about
it under the law as it now stands.
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In a full democracy, ideas alone
don't undermine anyone's peace, John.
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- Do we live in a full democracy?
- That's why we need these protections.
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How would you feel if
your core religious beliefs
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were held up for ridicule
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by somebody claiming to
represent the white majority?
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I'd want the blasphemer stoned.
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We'll all be stoned if we overturn
the lower court and release him.
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Now, there's a dilemma.
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Should we uphold a wrong
judgment for fear of reprisals?
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I'm still not convinced
it was wrong.
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Then we must each take our own
counsel and meet at a later date. 14 days?
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Eleven people shot in Basra
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is hardly huge in relation to the
number of people killed there, Ian.
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These were civilians killed by a British
soldier. Four of them were children.
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- Well, three were terrorists, surely?
- That was the Army's original position.
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The Iraqi government
now claims none were.
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- Huh! Well, how reliable is that?
- They want the case heard in Iraq.
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Well, the PM might go along
with it as part of our exit strategy.
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Pity poor Private Clark.
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Have we got an exit strategy?
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- The Army wants a court-martial.
- Well, they won't get it.
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Not even with the Secretary of State
for Defence arguing for it in Cabinet.
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Taxi!
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Er... Garrick Club, please.
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Sir Joseph.
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- Did you recognise the woman, Joe?
- Well, do you think it's serious?
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The Home Office can't treat it
as anything other than serious.
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But I barely saw the woman.
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You'll all have to have
round-the-clock protection.
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As long as she's got good legs!
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Oh, yeah!
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What are Sir John's routines?
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I keep his diary quite
secure. You'll have to ask him.
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This is not helping your boss.
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I'm beginning to think this is a move
by the Lord Chancellor to restrict me.
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We can't take any risks.
We're taking it very seriously, sir.
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It was Sir Joe Channing
that was threatened.
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Yeah, I've been
assigned to your staff.
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I don't think Mrs
Cooper needs any help.
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I'm sure you wouldn't like it
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if Mrs Cooper opened
a letter addressed to you
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and it exploded.
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I wouldn't like it any
better if it happened to you.
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All the while you're here,
you must report to Mrs Cooper.
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- Sir, I really think...
- Yes, yes, all right.
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I'm sure you're very good at
what you do, but so is Mrs Cooper.
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- Is he always so difficult?
- Huh!
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- I will need to know his movements.
- I wish I knew them myself.
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- He has lots of girlfriends.
- I wouldn't know about that.
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Is he sleeping with
the barrister, Mrs Mills?
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- Is that anyone's business but his?
- He could be at risk.
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Look, we have to ensure
his safety without his knowing.
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He's in court on another
appeal this afternoon.
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Is it likely to attract a
lot of the general public?
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The status of electronic
bank drafts in the law of theft?
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Yeah, they'll be
queuing down the Strand!
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Afterwards, he's meeting Mrs
Mills. They're fencing at the gym.
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I don't care how
stable a trial in Baghdad
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makes those rag-heads look!
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Sounds like the Secretary of
State for Defence is adamant, Percy.
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Ready to punch someone, I'd say.
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Our boys deserve better!
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The proper course is for the
Army to court-martial Private Clark.
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The Iraqis won't budge.
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We wrest the country
back from a madman.
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- Now they imagine they're a democracy.
- More people voted in Iraq than here.
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Well, you know the
PM's view, Martin.
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It'll help stabilise Iraq if the courts
are at least seen to be functioning.
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But the troops on the ground will feel
they have no protection until we exit.
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The longer we delay the
functioning of their administration,
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the longer that exit
will take, General.
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A trial in Iraq would
be seen as a sellout.
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Even more of our
lads would desert.
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No one's selling them out, Andy.
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I'll fight this one in
public if necessary.
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See what the electorate thinks.
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The police tramped
through my apartment today.
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Checking on security
in case you visit me.
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That was a bit presumptuous.
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I think it provided
them with an excuse.
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Because of my relationship
with Radical Lawyers for Justice.
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The police have become an arm of
government. Nobody seems to care.
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Well, you'd better start caring.
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You might need to rely
on them for your security.
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I can't take that seriously.
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They did ask about us.
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What did you tell 'em?
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- That I can never be with you.
- Why?
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What's that all about?
I thought life was good.
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Yeah. It is for you, John.
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It's like you can't be
touched on any level.
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Is this why you've hooked
up with Radical Lawyers?
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No, that was a good offer.
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In legal circles, it's self-immolation.
You could have been a judge.
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Yeah, and then I'd be unassailable
too, and I don't want that.
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Jo, come on. Why are you
doing this? Don't do this.
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Because I don't like the
way I'm living my life, John.
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- I want to change it.
- Is this helping?
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Excuse me, but who
are you to question that?
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If you get close to this
lot, you'll never be a judge.
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What difference could I
make on the bench, anyway?
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Mm-hm? And if you're
stopped from being a barrister?
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Has anyone threatened that?
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This new set is
totally lopsided,
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totally political.
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They ignore all
principles of objectivity.
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No, they believe in
what they're doing
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and that is more than can
be said for most lawyers.
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Don't you use them as
a stick to beat me with.
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We've got too
much history for that.
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And don't you
manipulate me, John.
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I can't talk to you any
more. I can't reach you.
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You just... You just take a
position and you don't shift.
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A bomb is probably
all that'll move you.
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It is an outrage.
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The British are
denying us justice
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by refusing to allow us
to try Private Clark in Iraq.
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Instead, they are
insisting on The Hague.
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Yeah, I've been
following the public row
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between the British PM
and the Army Minister.
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This soldier must
be tried on Iraqi soil.
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That might be risky, Mr Ambassador.
It suggests you want a lynch party.
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We want only justice.
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But The Hague is the perfect
venue. Politically sophisticated.
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Yes, but can the International
Criminal Court deliver justice for Iraq?
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I will prosecute personally.
Let's talk to Claude Previn.
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It is still a trial in
English for the English.
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Given France's consistent opposition
to the war, you need have no concerns.
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Iraq must make a formal request
under the Statute of Rome, Article 13.
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We would like this case,
monsieur. N'est-ce pas, Marie?
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We would make sure the
soldier was found guilty.
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The consequences
of their illegal war.
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- Claude?
- If only we could fight that battle.
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I will talk to our
Justice Minister.
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As far as the Army's concerned,
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the International Criminal
Court is little better than Iraq.
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Hardly, General.
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The soldiers on the ground
won't notice any difference.
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And how many more
desertions can we sustain?
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Three thousand to date.
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It's out of our hands now.
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We are official signatories
to the ICC, after all.
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Well, some means must
be found to block this.
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If we don't, soldiers who don't
go AWOL will avoid taking action
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00:16:43,050 --> 00:16:44,915
for fear of being made
a political football.
237
00:16:44,983 --> 00:16:48,886
This is part of
our exit strategy.
238
00:16:48,954 --> 00:16:51,286
What exit strategy?
239
00:16:52,655 --> 00:16:56,989
Well, I, er, I suppose we must
get out sooner rather than later.
240
00:16:58,361 --> 00:17:02,057
Then we must pre-empt a trial at
The Hague and try him by court-martial.
241
00:17:02,129 --> 00:17:05,223
Well, that would cause
an international incident.
242
00:17:05,298 --> 00:17:07,425
There might be
a simpler solution.
243
00:17:07,499 --> 00:17:11,630
Private Clark's mental state
could mean that he's unfit for trial.
244
00:17:12,136 --> 00:17:16,301
- Now, that's a possibility, General.
- Not much honour there.
245
00:17:16,374 --> 00:17:18,238
Anyway, our trick
cyclists say he's sound.
246
00:17:21,744 --> 00:17:23,838
Right. I'll report back.
247
00:17:27,381 --> 00:17:28,575
Gentlemen.
248
00:17:34,020 --> 00:17:37,386
How much of a sacrificial
lamb is this soldier, Alan?
249
00:17:37,455 --> 00:17:41,722
Well, I suppose we could
withdraw HMG's consent to the trial,
250
00:17:41,792 --> 00:17:44,420
although the PM's inclined
to take it on the chin.
251
00:17:44,728 --> 00:17:47,060
It's Private Clark in
the dock, not HMG.
252
00:17:47,129 --> 00:17:49,859
Well, it puts clear blue
water between us and the US.
253
00:17:49,931 --> 00:17:53,264
It shows that the British don't
shy away from international justice.
254
00:17:53,333 --> 00:17:59,704
If Deed was on the panel,
swimming our way, so much the better.
255
00:18:00,271 --> 00:18:03,729
How to get Deed to swim
other than against the tide, Alan?
256
00:18:06,542 --> 00:18:09,170
Your name's been put
forward for the trial panel.
257
00:18:09,846 --> 00:18:12,144
The Government feels
it should be represented.
258
00:18:12,214 --> 00:18:14,910
I don't represent
the Government, Ian.
259
00:18:14,982 --> 00:18:17,974
His Honour Judge Previn
is resisting your inclusion.
260
00:18:18,051 --> 00:18:20,384
He hasn't got much
trial experience.
261
00:18:20,453 --> 00:18:23,547
Do any of them? They'll make
up the deficiency by time-wasting.
262
00:18:23,622 --> 00:18:25,783
Oh, no, that means
a year or more, Ian.
263
00:18:25,857 --> 00:18:28,485
I'd really rather one of
the other judges did it.
264
00:18:28,558 --> 00:18:31,050
I think there's a move afoot
265
00:18:31,128 --> 00:18:34,426
to sacrifice Private
Clark to our exit strategy.
266
00:18:35,197 --> 00:18:36,562
Which is what, exactly?
267
00:18:36,631 --> 00:18:38,259
I'm not privy to it, John,
268
00:18:38,333 --> 00:18:41,097
but I think it involves
an English judge
269
00:18:41,168 --> 00:18:45,195
helping to deliver justice by
finding Private Clark guilty.
270
00:18:45,271 --> 00:18:47,068
And if he's not guilty?
271
00:18:47,139 --> 00:18:49,607
It's a small price
to pay, it's felt,
272
00:18:49,673 --> 00:18:52,108
for saving the lives of
British soldiers in Iraq.
273
00:20:11,101 --> 00:20:14,831
John, please go before I
say something I might regret.
274
00:20:17,904 --> 00:20:19,066
Just go.
275
00:20:22,975 --> 00:20:24,102
Go!
276
00:20:28,779 --> 00:20:32,909
I can't do the case in The
Hague. Deed's on the trial panel.
277
00:20:32,982 --> 00:20:37,147
- That's madness, Jo.
- We had a relationship, Simon.
278
00:20:38,153 --> 00:20:40,314
Well, then, play him
to our advantage.
279
00:20:40,387 --> 00:20:44,620
Think about it, Jo. It's like a
gift to Dave Clark's defence.
280
00:21:22,318 --> 00:21:23,650
- Goedendag.
- Goedendag.
281
00:21:23,719 --> 00:21:26,052
I'm Dr Pavely. I
have a reservation.
282
00:21:26,121 --> 00:21:28,589
Ah, yes, Dr Pavely.
283
00:21:28,656 --> 00:21:30,784
If you could fill
out the registration.
284
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,025
Shall I unpack, Judge?
285
00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:41,225
- This trial's reckoned to last a year.
- Are we staying?
286
00:21:41,299 --> 00:21:43,643
Well, from what I've read so
far, we could do it in three weeks.
287
00:21:43,667 --> 00:21:44,895
I'll unpack, then.
288
00:21:44,968 --> 00:21:46,936
Marie Madsen, chief
prosecutor of the ICC.
289
00:21:47,003 --> 00:21:48,767
Excuse me! Mr
Justice Deed is busy!
290
00:21:49,204 --> 00:21:53,335
- She's here now, Coop.
- So much for security!
291
00:21:53,408 --> 00:21:56,172
I don't think there's much
danger in Ms Madsen.
292
00:21:57,010 --> 00:22:00,310
You look older than your
reputation led me to expect.
293
00:22:00,914 --> 00:22:02,040
Touché.
294
00:22:03,949 --> 00:22:07,942
- Do you fence?
- Games are a waste of time.
295
00:22:08,019 --> 00:22:10,044
It's mental
discipline, like yoga.
296
00:22:10,787 --> 00:22:13,086
- You do yoga?
- No, I'm too lazy.
297
00:22:13,489 --> 00:22:16,925
Have you read the papers
in the Private Clark case?
298
00:22:16,991 --> 00:22:18,459
There is a lot to read.
299
00:22:18,626 --> 00:22:22,322
Well, we have a drink
later and talk, yes?
300
00:22:22,395 --> 00:22:26,162
Is it quite proper? The chief
prosecutor and one of the trial judges?
301
00:22:26,566 --> 00:22:29,228
Our joint concern is the
achievement of justice.
302
00:22:29,301 --> 00:22:32,792
I thought that you presented
your evidence, the defence theirs
303
00:22:32,869 --> 00:22:34,201
and the judges decide.
304
00:22:34,504 --> 00:22:37,132
Article 54 says my
task is to investigate
305
00:22:37,206 --> 00:22:40,232
both incriminating and
exonerating circumstances.
306
00:22:41,876 --> 00:22:44,072
You should not hear
this case, Sir John.
307
00:22:45,312 --> 00:22:46,473
Until later.
308
00:22:55,819 --> 00:22:57,253
She's a forceful lady.
309
00:22:57,854 --> 00:22:59,719
Bit of a madam, if you ask me.
310
00:23:00,356 --> 00:23:03,223
She has a reputation for
getting drunk with the trial judges.
311
00:23:19,804 --> 00:23:21,294
Oh, I'm a police officer.
312
00:23:22,006 --> 00:23:23,200
Oh.
313
00:23:25,074 --> 00:23:27,669
So, is, er...
314
00:23:27,743 --> 00:23:29,802
is your policewoman a lesbian?
315
00:23:32,579 --> 00:23:36,140
You have a reputation for
getting too close to the trial judges.
316
00:23:36,650 --> 00:23:39,312
You have a reputation
for interfering.
317
00:23:40,118 --> 00:23:42,644
Isn't that how
European courts work?
318
00:23:42,721 --> 00:23:45,121
The evidence points
to Private Clark's guilt.
319
00:23:45,189 --> 00:23:47,657
His defence team would say
it points to lack of legal guilt.
320
00:23:47,991 --> 00:23:51,620
- You're familiar with his defence team?
- My statement didn't imply that.
321
00:23:51,861 --> 00:23:53,522
Do you have sex with Mrs Mills?
322
00:23:55,863 --> 00:23:57,855
You get right to it, don't you?
323
00:23:57,932 --> 00:23:59,923
Ah, you don't deny it.
324
00:24:01,300 --> 00:24:03,428
Am I being cross-examined?
325
00:24:03,502 --> 00:24:08,030
- Oh, how can she defend this man?
- I'm not running the defence.
326
00:24:08,972 --> 00:24:13,033
- It's for us to interrogate him.
- With his defence team.
327
00:24:16,244 --> 00:24:19,806
When I heard you might be on this
panel, I was sure I wouldn't like you.
328
00:24:20,115 --> 00:24:22,913
Hmm. But now you've
changed your mind, have you?
329
00:24:23,983 --> 00:24:26,248
You are frank, forthright.
330
00:24:28,086 --> 00:24:30,954
I can't stand men who
don't know what they want,
331
00:24:31,022 --> 00:24:32,457
nor how to get it when they do.
332
00:24:36,092 --> 00:24:37,617
Would you like to make love?
333
00:24:38,261 --> 00:24:40,058
I think that would be very nice.
334
00:24:41,397 --> 00:24:42,865
Oh, this is good.
335
00:24:43,865 --> 00:24:47,198
But at this point I must reveal I'm
from the News Of The World and leave.
336
00:24:48,402 --> 00:24:49,733
This is a joke?
337
00:24:50,703 --> 00:24:53,195
Yeah, it's... it's more
a cultural difference.
338
00:24:53,272 --> 00:24:56,536
- I thought you knew what you wanted.
- Yes, I'll regret it all my life.
339
00:24:56,607 --> 00:24:58,132
Yes...
340
00:24:58,942 --> 00:25:01,706
I think you will.
341
00:25:04,846 --> 00:25:06,439
Sir John?
342
00:25:10,317 --> 00:25:11,751
Nick of time.
343
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,859
Are they going to find
me guilty, Mrs Mills?
344
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:29,625
- Are they?
- We think our case is good.
345
00:25:31,866 --> 00:25:34,300
Dave, I want you to bring
your mother into court.
346
00:25:36,203 --> 00:25:39,229
No. She's not well. She can't.
347
00:25:39,305 --> 00:25:41,916
They'll hear how you helped look
after her when you were growing up.
348
00:25:41,940 --> 00:25:43,533
They'll see her
in her wheelchair.
349
00:25:44,675 --> 00:25:47,338
I don't want her to hear
about those children.
350
00:25:47,411 --> 00:25:49,845
No, it... It'll kill her.
351
00:25:50,946 --> 00:25:52,642
Please don't make her come here.
352
00:26:15,631 --> 00:26:17,031
I wish I could do that.
353
00:26:17,532 --> 00:26:19,057
Excuse me?
354
00:26:19,134 --> 00:26:22,035
Do you know the fable of
the hare and the tortoise?
355
00:26:22,103 --> 00:26:23,730
I'm sure it ends badly.
356
00:26:23,803 --> 00:26:27,399
- Well...
- She's a guest at our hotel.
357
00:26:27,474 --> 00:26:29,942
They must be giving
her different food.
358
00:26:42,984 --> 00:26:44,509
Hi.
359
00:26:44,586 --> 00:26:46,417
I wanted this to be informal.
360
00:26:47,222 --> 00:26:49,280
Not country to country.
361
00:26:49,355 --> 00:26:52,985
You require me to step
down. Marie Madsen told me.
362
00:26:53,259 --> 00:26:56,251
The Iraqis do not wish an
English judge to be on the panel.
363
00:26:56,328 --> 00:26:58,023
No, of course not.
364
00:26:58,095 --> 00:27:01,496
This is a most prominent case,
monsieur. We must accommodate them.
365
00:27:01,564 --> 00:27:03,396
Well, because of its
prominence, we shouldn't.
366
00:27:03,466 --> 00:27:06,765
How could the British continue in
Iraq if we gave in to their demands?
367
00:27:06,835 --> 00:27:09,828
The British shouldn't be
in Iraq. Nor the Americans.
368
00:27:09,971 --> 00:27:13,566
The UK has a commitment,
to help stabilise things.
369
00:27:13,707 --> 00:27:16,039
Can they ever be stable
under an occupying power?
370
00:27:16,208 --> 00:27:19,575
- Will it ever be stable without?
- With anyone else's help, yes.
371
00:27:20,378 --> 00:27:22,870
- Is France helping?
- Naturellement.
372
00:27:22,947 --> 00:27:24,437
Working behind the scenes.
373
00:27:24,515 --> 00:27:26,108
Naturellement.
374
00:27:27,684 --> 00:27:31,278
You'll find my trial experience
helpful in moving things along.
375
00:27:31,486 --> 00:27:33,852
These cases take time, monsieur.
376
00:27:33,921 --> 00:27:37,254
Too much time is being wasted.
We could do this in three weeks.
377
00:27:38,225 --> 00:27:40,352
I am the trial
president, monsieur.
378
00:27:43,862 --> 00:27:46,626
Mrs Mills, Judge.
379
00:27:46,697 --> 00:27:49,063
- Coop...
- I know, Judge, some tea.
380
00:27:49,132 --> 00:27:50,760
No, I haven't come for tea.
381
00:27:53,903 --> 00:27:55,599
You're on the panel
hearing Private Clark.
382
00:27:57,038 --> 00:27:58,278
Somebody doesn't want me to be.
383
00:27:58,339 --> 00:28:00,535
Good. Neither do I. I
want you to step down.
384
00:28:02,909 --> 00:28:04,935
Britain has to be represented.
385
00:28:06,179 --> 00:28:08,114
Since when have you become
the Government's hack?
386
00:28:08,181 --> 00:28:10,080
That's not the issue.
387
00:28:10,715 --> 00:28:13,114
Nor will I allow your
new chums to make it so.
388
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:15,717
It's our Government
who should be on trial.
389
00:28:15,786 --> 00:28:17,946
Taking that line will
damage your career.
390
00:28:18,020 --> 00:28:20,046
My career's just fine,
thank you very much.
391
00:28:20,122 --> 00:28:21,919
I'd sooner not be part
of the Establishment.
392
00:28:21,989 --> 00:28:23,287
Like it or not, Jo, you are.
393
00:28:23,357 --> 00:28:25,826
I'm increasingly
ashamed to be British.
394
00:28:25,893 --> 00:28:29,226
Joining Jumping Jack Flash's
set's not going to help, is it?
395
00:28:31,831 --> 00:28:33,471
I want you to think
about what I've asked.
396
00:28:33,532 --> 00:28:35,396
Yeah, yeah. What
defence are you running?
397
00:28:36,701 --> 00:28:39,534
Going after the Government
will not help your client.
398
00:28:43,873 --> 00:28:45,704
Claude says you
refuse to step down!
399
00:28:45,773 --> 00:28:48,333
- I'm sorry, Sir John.
- It's all right, she's harmless.
400
00:28:48,409 --> 00:28:51,208
Pah! Islamic terrorists are
harmless compared to me!
401
00:28:51,378 --> 00:28:55,939
It's fine. Marie Madsen, Jo Mills.
Prosecution, meet the defence.
402
00:28:56,014 --> 00:28:58,778
Ah, Mrs Mills. I know about you.
403
00:28:59,917 --> 00:29:02,818
You will step down from this
case, Sir John. It's essential.
404
00:29:03,587 --> 00:29:06,249
- Persuade him, Mrs Mills.
- I don't have that sort of influence.
405
00:29:06,590 --> 00:29:08,716
Then leave. I'll talk to him.
406
00:29:09,258 --> 00:29:12,625
In England, the prosecution and the
defence see the trial judge together.
407
00:29:12,694 --> 00:29:15,253
This is The Hague, Mrs Mills.
408
00:29:15,329 --> 00:29:17,797
Mmm. Where it seems
you need little law to get by.
409
00:29:21,399 --> 00:29:22,924
What did she mean?
410
00:29:23,001 --> 00:29:24,969
No matter how differently
you do things here,
411
00:29:25,035 --> 00:29:26,970
I won't see you
without the defence.
412
00:29:27,037 --> 00:29:29,870
- Because of your relationship?
- I don't answer to you, Marie.
413
00:29:29,939 --> 00:29:32,874
You must withdraw when you
have a relationship with an advocate.
414
00:29:32,941 --> 00:29:34,603
You have a
relationship with Previn.
415
00:29:34,676 --> 00:29:37,235
You're in and out of his
room like a fiddler's elbow.
416
00:29:37,311 --> 00:29:39,405
This is not an affair.
417
00:29:39,813 --> 00:29:42,078
What, you simply get
drunk in his room, do you?
418
00:29:42,148 --> 00:29:44,125
- Where did you hear that?
- Maybe you should step down.
419
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:47,778
Never! I'm going to send
this British soldier to prison.
420
00:30:00,895 --> 00:30:03,592
This is getting to be a habit,
the hare passing the tortoise.
421
00:30:03,664 --> 00:30:06,599
- The tortoise wins in the end.
- Only in the fable.
422
00:30:13,704 --> 00:30:15,934
Will you be here after
your AIDS conference?
423
00:30:16,006 --> 00:30:17,872
No, I have to go to Switzerland.
424
00:30:18,408 --> 00:30:20,603
Where you run up
and down mountains?
425
00:30:24,078 --> 00:30:28,572
How about a more leisurely
bike ride around the city?
426
00:30:28,949 --> 00:30:31,508
- I have to do some work.
- Oh, yeah.
427
00:30:32,151 --> 00:30:34,278
That'll be our
epitaph, won't it?
428
00:30:34,352 --> 00:30:37,185
Putting life on hold while
we wait for work to stop.
429
00:30:37,655 --> 00:30:39,590
Yes. It's a modern disease.
430
00:30:39,657 --> 00:30:40,897
How about that bike ride, then?
431
00:30:44,093 --> 00:30:45,822
No, I really do have to work.
432
00:30:47,595 --> 00:30:48,858
How about dinner, then?
433
00:30:48,930 --> 00:30:52,058
You really are very
persistent, aren't you, Mr Deed?
434
00:30:52,132 --> 00:30:53,361
Well...
435
00:30:54,401 --> 00:30:56,426
I do try.
436
00:30:58,704 --> 00:31:00,569
La cour se lève.
437
00:31:08,377 --> 00:31:12,779
Cour Pénale Internationale.
L'audience est ouverte à dix heures.
438
00:31:13,281 --> 00:31:14,646
Good day to everyone.
439
00:31:16,050 --> 00:31:17,847
I would like to start
440
00:31:17,917 --> 00:31:22,411
by asking the defendant
about conditions in detention.
441
00:31:22,487 --> 00:31:26,116
He has any complaints? He
is receiving the correct food?
442
00:31:26,457 --> 00:31:28,391
He is, Your Honour.
No complaints.
443
00:31:29,326 --> 00:31:32,386
Can we read out the
charge to the accused?
444
00:31:32,461 --> 00:31:34,692
May it please Your
Honour, before this is read,
445
00:31:34,763 --> 00:31:39,029
I must challenge the propriety of
Sir John Deed to sit on this panel.
446
00:31:39,133 --> 00:31:40,498
On what grounds?
447
00:31:40,567 --> 00:31:43,263
He has a relationship
with the defence lead.
448
00:31:43,336 --> 00:31:44,861
You are presenting evidence?
449
00:31:44,937 --> 00:31:49,840
I would like to examine His Honour
Sir John and Mrs Mills on this point.
450
00:31:50,941 --> 00:31:55,469
Well, I would suggest my chambers, but
there is always a need for transparency.
451
00:31:55,545 --> 00:32:00,107
Not to proceed will raise the
spectre of bias in this important case.
452
00:32:00,215 --> 00:32:04,845
Sir John and Madame Mills,
would you submit to examination?
453
00:32:04,919 --> 00:32:06,580
This is wholly prejudicial.
454
00:32:08,854 --> 00:32:11,084
This trial cannot
be subject to bias.
455
00:32:13,691 --> 00:32:16,626
Madame, do you have any
relationship with any judge on this panel?
456
00:32:16,693 --> 00:32:20,561
I know Mr Justice Deed. I
fenced with him only last week.
457
00:32:20,997 --> 00:32:23,158
Your Honour, this
is to favour her client.
458
00:32:24,065 --> 00:32:28,195
- Does Sir John wish to comment?
- Not in open court, no.
459
00:32:28,535 --> 00:32:31,265
Under our constitution,
we demand transparency.
460
00:32:33,805 --> 00:32:38,538
Is there a relationship
likely to prejudice this trial?
461
00:32:39,176 --> 00:32:40,610
No, there is not.
462
00:32:41,778 --> 00:32:45,215
Then we should be
mindful of Article 67,
463
00:32:45,281 --> 00:32:48,841
which guarantees the defendant
the right to choose his own counsel.
464
00:32:50,518 --> 00:32:54,010
May we continue
reading out the charge?
465
00:32:54,087 --> 00:32:56,749
Would Your Honour
hear a further argument?
466
00:32:56,822 --> 00:32:59,552
Regrettably, no. I have ruled.
467
00:33:06,763 --> 00:33:09,460
David Patrick Clark,
468
00:33:09,531 --> 00:33:12,831
you are charged with the
war crime of wilful killing,
469
00:33:13,735 --> 00:33:17,397
contrary to the Rome
Statute, Article 8, 2,
470
00:33:18,305 --> 00:33:20,899
that on November
11th last at around 5pm,
471
00:33:21,907 --> 00:33:26,037
in the context of and associated
with an international armed conflict,
472
00:33:26,577 --> 00:33:32,276
you did cause the death by shooting
of Asheer Al-Abul, aged four years,
473
00:33:33,216 --> 00:33:35,183
a person you knew
to be protected
474
00:33:35,250 --> 00:33:40,621
under the provisions of the Geneva
Convention of 12th August 1949.
475
00:33:41,555 --> 00:33:44,683
You are further charged
with the war crimes of murder,
476
00:33:44,757 --> 00:33:47,954
contrary to Article 8, 2,
477
00:33:48,026 --> 00:33:53,088
in that you did murder civilians
taking no part in the hostilities.
478
00:33:53,164 --> 00:33:56,395
Namely, Maliki
Al-Jamil, aged seven,
479
00:33:57,133 --> 00:33:59,158
Eisa Ali Nasser, nine years old,
480
00:34:00,102 --> 00:34:02,070
Ziyal Ataie,
481
00:34:02,136 --> 00:34:03,934
Amira Hakim,
482
00:34:04,005 --> 00:34:06,133
Hussein Husseini,
483
00:34:06,207 --> 00:34:08,106
Sadia Al-Rahman,
484
00:34:08,174 --> 00:34:10,040
Mohammed Rufi,
485
00:34:10,109 --> 00:34:12,271
Qasim Al-Assam,
486
00:34:12,344 --> 00:34:14,335
Murtaza Nazah.
487
00:34:15,813 --> 00:34:18,783
How do you plead,
guilty or not guilty?
488
00:34:21,751 --> 00:34:23,150
Not guilty, sir.
489
00:34:24,486 --> 00:34:26,114
Sit down, monsieur.
490
00:34:27,089 --> 00:34:28,351
Madame Mills.
491
00:34:30,523 --> 00:34:32,856
In support of Private Clark's
defence, we have sought
492
00:34:32,926 --> 00:34:35,087
hospital records from
the Iraqi authority.
493
00:34:35,694 --> 00:34:38,390
These relate to the man
that Private Clark rescued
494
00:34:38,463 --> 00:34:40,591
and who died in his arms.
495
00:34:40,665 --> 00:34:42,963
These records
aren't forthcoming.
496
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:44,400
You know they exist?
497
00:34:44,468 --> 00:34:47,130
We believe so, based on
evidence from the defendant.
498
00:34:47,503 --> 00:34:48,561
You did request them?
499
00:34:48,636 --> 00:34:51,629
We did. Not having them
is prejudicial to the defence.
500
00:34:51,940 --> 00:34:53,407
But you knew the trial date.
501
00:34:53,474 --> 00:34:58,002
The prosecution could use its
considerable powers under Article 54
502
00:34:58,878 --> 00:35:01,403
to investigate with
the Iraq authority
503
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,914
just why these papers
aren't forthcoming.
504
00:35:05,716 --> 00:35:07,150
The man is a fiction.
505
00:35:07,818 --> 00:35:09,217
There are no papers.
506
00:35:09,619 --> 00:35:11,918
I would like you to investigate
further and report back.
507
00:35:12,521 --> 00:35:14,888
Well, this is a matter
for the defence.
508
00:35:14,957 --> 00:35:17,824
I'm not here to scout for
data to exonerate the accused.
509
00:35:17,892 --> 00:35:21,191
Your statutory obligation
is to establish the truth.
510
00:35:21,261 --> 00:35:23,058
I want those hospital papers.
511
00:35:23,429 --> 00:35:26,489
I'm sure Mrs Mills will
provide the details for you.
512
00:35:26,731 --> 00:35:30,190
- I'm obliged, My Lord.
- Wrong form, Mrs Mills.
513
00:35:30,335 --> 00:35:31,563
Your Honour.
514
00:35:32,102 --> 00:35:33,433
Can we proceed?
515
00:35:35,371 --> 00:35:39,636
I'd first like to enquire about
the defendant's mental state.
516
00:35:39,708 --> 00:35:42,506
Er... no. The prisoner
was declared fit for trial.
517
00:35:42,576 --> 00:35:44,601
Yes, I read the Army
psychiatrists' reports.
518
00:35:44,677 --> 00:35:46,339
Are there any
independent reports?
519
00:35:46,579 --> 00:35:50,743
How many psychies must a man have to
see before they can call him quite sane?
520
00:35:51,949 --> 00:35:53,850
British Army psychiatrists.
521
00:35:53,918 --> 00:35:57,786
- No less qualified.
- The prosecution has a point.
522
00:35:57,854 --> 00:35:59,014
Yes, they work for the Army.
523
00:35:59,088 --> 00:36:02,718
Work cultures affect the minds
of us all, even psychiatrists.
524
00:36:03,259 --> 00:36:05,853
The whole of the British
Army is mad, being in Iraq.
525
00:36:06,194 --> 00:36:09,492
Mrs Mills, was the defendant
examined by any other psychiatrists?
526
00:36:09,562 --> 00:36:12,157
He was independently
examined four times.
527
00:36:12,231 --> 00:36:14,392
The reports are on
your screens at tab ten.
528
00:36:19,403 --> 00:36:21,462
Will you be calling
these psychiatrists?
529
00:36:21,538 --> 00:36:22,801
Er... I will not.
530
00:36:23,606 --> 00:36:27,564
In which case, I'd like to
examine the Army psychiatrists.
531
00:36:27,642 --> 00:36:29,133
For what purpose?
532
00:36:29,210 --> 00:36:32,702
I want to be satisfied as to the
mental state of the defendant.
533
00:36:33,413 --> 00:36:35,210
It isn't disputed by anyone.
534
00:36:35,281 --> 00:36:39,615
I find myself agreeing with
the defence. On this point.
535
00:36:45,989 --> 00:36:48,856
- We have no other option.
- No, obviously.
536
00:36:49,825 --> 00:36:51,691
We will withdraw to discuss.
537
00:36:52,093 --> 00:36:53,857
La cour se lève.
538
00:37:01,634 --> 00:37:04,228
He's always so infuriating?
539
00:37:04,636 --> 00:37:06,127
You ain't seen nothing.
540
00:37:09,406 --> 00:37:10,704
Relax, Dave.
541
00:37:13,677 --> 00:37:16,510
- Would you wait outside?
- He's got to be guarded, miss.
542
00:37:16,579 --> 00:37:18,307
Yes. But outside.
543
00:37:18,378 --> 00:37:20,210
No, miss. He needs
guarding at all times.
544
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,749
Just leave. We need to
speak to Private Clark alone.
545
00:37:22,815 --> 00:37:24,182
- It's orders.
- No, get out!
546
00:37:24,251 --> 00:37:27,049
Simon, tell the judges the
guards are preventing our client
547
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:29,519
from mounting his
defence. We can't continue.
548
00:37:32,223 --> 00:37:33,315
Fine.
549
00:37:35,225 --> 00:37:36,716
I'll tell them.
550
00:37:41,128 --> 00:37:44,792
You want to punch these
guys, they're so stupid!
551
00:37:44,866 --> 00:37:46,197
They're quite friendly, really.
552
00:37:46,266 --> 00:37:49,134
Regardless, your defence is
yours until it's given in court.
553
00:37:51,136 --> 00:37:53,604
I'm not mad, Mrs Mills.
554
00:37:54,072 --> 00:37:56,803
Dave, this is a ploy
to stop us going to trial.
555
00:37:56,975 --> 00:38:00,206
- I don't think John...
- He is a British judge, Jo,
556
00:38:00,276 --> 00:38:01,369
working for the Government.
557
00:38:01,911 --> 00:38:05,142
- Why is he asking if I'm mad?
- To try to stop the trial.
558
00:38:05,213 --> 00:38:06,646
He's trying to be fair to you.
559
00:38:06,847 --> 00:38:09,043
They were terrorists I
shot. I know they were.
560
00:38:09,382 --> 00:38:12,978
But unfortunately, Dave, your
only witness died in your arms.
561
00:38:13,052 --> 00:38:14,486
No one believes he existed.
562
00:38:14,554 --> 00:38:16,454
- He was never found.
- He was there.
563
00:38:16,521 --> 00:38:18,217
Someone's hiding
those hospital records.
564
00:38:19,257 --> 00:38:21,350
Can you stop the
psychiatrists saying I'm mad?
565
00:38:21,424 --> 00:38:25,293
- Is that what they're going to say?
- I'm not mad, Mrs Mills.
566
00:38:25,362 --> 00:38:26,659
I'm not.
567
00:38:27,029 --> 00:38:30,022
Does psychiatry not obscure
the waters of criminal trials?
568
00:38:30,565 --> 00:38:33,693
- Is this what you wish, monsieur?
- You know differently.
569
00:38:33,767 --> 00:38:35,531
I can order this not to happen.
570
00:38:39,704 --> 00:38:41,297
Then we'll fall out publicly.
571
00:38:42,641 --> 00:38:45,804
Your government is in
a most unhappy place.
572
00:38:45,876 --> 00:38:50,313
The Iraqis want this atrocity condemned
and your army is in need of protection.
573
00:38:50,546 --> 00:38:53,014
Madness is a convenient escape.
574
00:38:53,081 --> 00:38:56,448
The psychiatrists may
confirm he's not mad.
575
00:38:56,751 --> 00:38:58,310
My concern is to be convinced
576
00:38:58,386 --> 00:39:01,877
that Clark was in control of his
mind when he shot those people.
577
00:39:01,954 --> 00:39:03,855
Otherwise, the
trial cannot proceed.
578
00:39:09,993 --> 00:39:13,430
This could mean the British
Army escaping without punishment.
579
00:39:13,497 --> 00:39:15,624
Is this Judge Deed's intention?
580
00:39:15,698 --> 00:39:18,997
I can think of no other reason
to examine the psychiatrists.
581
00:39:19,067 --> 00:39:22,695
Deed wanted to shorten
the trial time, not extend it.
582
00:39:23,537 --> 00:39:26,404
Then I will ask our
Foreign Minister
583
00:39:26,472 --> 00:39:29,031
to complain to the United
Nations about Judge Deed.
584
00:39:29,107 --> 00:39:31,099
Perhaps we can remove him.
585
00:39:31,876 --> 00:39:33,105
We can hope.
586
00:39:44,585 --> 00:39:47,850
- Is Deed helping us, Alan?
- For once, he appears to be.
587
00:39:48,488 --> 00:39:52,083
He would help us by denying
Mrs Mills and her cronies
588
00:39:52,158 --> 00:39:53,854
their international platform.
589
00:39:53,926 --> 00:39:57,656
We plan to separate Mrs
Mills from her loony friends...
590
00:39:59,530 --> 00:40:01,362
and undermine their case.
591
00:40:01,432 --> 00:40:03,024
That'll delay things.
592
00:40:03,099 --> 00:40:06,193
I had no idea he'd try
to shorten the trial time.
593
00:40:06,268 --> 00:40:07,758
Your medics could help,
594
00:40:08,336 --> 00:40:10,271
if the Army were to
reconsider its position
595
00:40:10,338 --> 00:40:12,135
on Private Clark's mental state.
596
00:40:12,205 --> 00:40:14,150
Yes, and how would that
help the situation in Basra?
597
00:40:14,174 --> 00:40:17,302
A speedy resolution
will benefit everyone.
598
00:40:17,376 --> 00:40:19,901
Yes, I suppose.
599
00:40:19,978 --> 00:40:23,539
Our boys are
having a difficult time.
600
00:40:28,217 --> 00:40:32,415
But your way so
frequently prevails, Marie.
601
00:40:32,487 --> 00:40:35,183
This is such an important
trial for you, Claude.
602
00:40:35,956 --> 00:40:38,356
We must not allow
ourselves to be embarrassed.
603
00:40:39,392 --> 00:40:41,519
Monsieur Deed is
right to seek records
604
00:40:41,593 --> 00:40:44,290
that may have come detached
from that dead witness.
605
00:40:44,363 --> 00:40:48,890
How? Iraq is in chaos, Claude,
the result of invading forces.
606
00:40:48,965 --> 00:40:51,160
Then he will insist
on the psychiatrists.
607
00:40:54,903 --> 00:40:56,131
Claude.
608
00:40:57,638 --> 00:41:00,266
There is, um...
609
00:41:00,340 --> 00:41:03,468
something I must
tell you about Deed.
610
00:41:03,542 --> 00:41:04,805
It's messy.
611
00:41:05,911 --> 00:41:07,902
Then you'd better
come to my chambers.
612
00:41:12,516 --> 00:41:14,074
Your taxi is waiting, Doctor.
613
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:16,914
Can you give this to Sir
John Deed for me, please?
614
00:41:16,985 --> 00:41:18,419
- Thank you.
- Thank you.
615
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,794
Answer me, monsieur. Are you still
sexually pressuring Marie Madsen?
616
00:41:30,863 --> 00:41:32,262
Oh, please!
617
00:41:33,464 --> 00:41:35,399
- Monsieur?
- This is all nonsense.
618
00:41:36,433 --> 00:41:38,800
You find women troublesome, no?
619
00:41:38,869 --> 00:41:40,064
But I love them!
620
00:41:43,439 --> 00:41:45,998
- You have such a reputation.
- Evidence, Claude.
621
00:41:46,474 --> 00:41:47,999
Marie is very beautiful, no?
622
00:41:48,075 --> 00:41:51,511
She should try using a little
less sex and a little more law.
623
00:41:52,178 --> 00:41:54,373
I will examine
those psychiatrists.
624
00:41:56,148 --> 00:42:00,106
In any dangerous situation, the
normal response is fight or flight.
625
00:42:00,451 --> 00:42:02,419
This is what
adrenaline does for us.
626
00:42:03,053 --> 00:42:06,023
In soldiers, the urge
to flee is suppressed,
627
00:42:06,088 --> 00:42:08,614
both by training and
by peer-group pressure.
628
00:42:09,123 --> 00:42:11,854
- Soldiers are not normal?
- If you accept the norm as
629
00:42:11,926 --> 00:42:14,394
not unquestioningly
submitting to discipline
630
00:42:14,461 --> 00:42:16,225
or subjecting oneself to danger.
631
00:42:16,329 --> 00:42:20,025
Does Private Clark need
to subject himself to danger?
632
00:42:20,098 --> 00:42:22,657
That tendency exists
in most soldiers.
633
00:42:22,733 --> 00:42:26,795
Private Clark comes from a
very protected background.
634
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:28,463
His mother is an invalid
635
00:42:28,538 --> 00:42:31,235
and was confined to a
wheelchair soon after his birth.
636
00:42:31,940 --> 00:42:33,704
His older sisters are her carers
637
00:42:33,775 --> 00:42:37,608
and brought up Private Clark
after his father deserted the family.
638
00:42:38,345 --> 00:42:40,939
He has a greater need
for danger than most.
639
00:42:41,781 --> 00:42:44,682
Does that predispose him to
a low threshold of self-control?
640
00:42:45,083 --> 00:42:46,517
In my opinion, yes.
641
00:42:46,751 --> 00:42:51,415
In your opinion, was he
beyond reasonable self-control
642
00:42:51,488 --> 00:42:52,682
at the time of the shooting?
643
00:42:56,892 --> 00:43:00,793
On re-examining the hours
of interviews, I'd say he was.
644
00:43:05,031 --> 00:43:06,123
Thank you.
645
00:43:09,768 --> 00:43:12,134
Hi. 312, please.
646
00:43:12,203 --> 00:43:15,366
Thank you.
647
00:43:15,438 --> 00:43:18,032
- Dr Pavely left this for you, sir.
- Thanks.
648
00:43:23,311 --> 00:43:25,802
- Is she coming back?
- She's kept her room on.
649
00:43:29,949 --> 00:43:32,646
See if you can get Dr
Pavely's number, will you?
650
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:37,000
La cour se lève.
651
00:43:44,393 --> 00:43:45,485
Madame Mills.
652
00:43:47,896 --> 00:43:51,661
In your original opinion, along with
that of Doctors Denman and Smith,
653
00:43:52,166 --> 00:43:56,226
you thought he was "reasoning
and therefore responsible".
654
00:43:56,301 --> 00:43:59,065
Madame, you appear to be
working against your client.
655
00:43:59,137 --> 00:44:01,231
No, these are his instructions.
656
00:44:01,305 --> 00:44:05,139
He won't accept he was in shock
and therefore not responsible.
657
00:44:06,809 --> 00:44:09,505
When the Government puts
a young soldier in the position
658
00:44:09,577 --> 00:44:11,910
that Private Clark was put in,
659
00:44:11,979 --> 00:44:16,678
even with all his training, he is still
subject to human error in extremis.
660
00:44:17,751 --> 00:44:20,913
He found himself in the most
desperate, terrifying situation,
661
00:44:20,986 --> 00:44:23,581
with only a fraction of
a second to respond.
662
00:44:24,421 --> 00:44:29,552
He believes that in killing terrorists as
he did, he exercised proper judgment.
663
00:44:30,093 --> 00:44:32,493
His colonel agreed
with that, initially.
664
00:44:33,228 --> 00:44:35,697
I have a copy of
Colonel Roth's report.
665
00:44:44,570 --> 00:44:46,038
How was this
obtained, Mrs Mills?
666
00:44:46,105 --> 00:44:49,370
It was sent to me anonymously
from Brigade Headquarters.
667
00:44:49,439 --> 00:44:51,374
- The sender is unknown?
- Regrettably.
668
00:44:51,508 --> 00:44:55,603
Perhaps the prosecution can use
its considerable investigatory powers
669
00:44:55,678 --> 00:44:57,202
to identify the sender.
670
00:44:57,712 --> 00:44:59,044
Resume, Madame Mills.
671
00:44:59,114 --> 00:45:03,244
Dr Froad, are psychiatric disorders
prevalent in soldiers serving in Iraq?
672
00:45:03,751 --> 00:45:06,049
They appear wherever
soldiers wage war.
673
00:45:06,119 --> 00:45:11,250
- Particularly so in Iraq?
- There are stress problems.
674
00:45:12,323 --> 00:45:15,224
Isn't it true that out of a
force of approximately 8,000,
675
00:45:15,292 --> 00:45:20,286
over 1,500 have been sent home
suffering psychiatric disorders?
676
00:45:21,897 --> 00:45:23,388
There is a lot of stress.
677
00:45:24,399 --> 00:45:26,867
Is that a yes or a no, Doctor?
678
00:45:28,068 --> 00:45:29,127
Yes.
679
00:45:29,203 --> 00:45:33,435
Was Private Clark sent home
suffering with a psychiatric condition
680
00:45:33,506 --> 00:45:35,235
two months before the shootings,
681
00:45:35,307 --> 00:45:37,639
but then declared fit
for active service again?
682
00:45:41,645 --> 00:45:43,636
Mistakenly, in my opinion.
683
00:45:44,614 --> 00:45:48,049
But your original opinion
when you saw him back in Iraq
684
00:45:48,115 --> 00:45:51,517
had been that he was
fit for active service.
685
00:45:52,319 --> 00:45:56,313
It was, but on reflection,
I was wrong in that.
686
00:45:57,289 --> 00:45:59,781
Has pressure been put on
you to change that opinion?
687
00:46:01,826 --> 00:46:04,193
- We did a longer examination.
- I see.
688
00:46:06,329 --> 00:46:08,059
- Doctor.
- Are you now saying
689
00:46:08,130 --> 00:46:10,621
that Private Clark
was so stressed
690
00:46:10,699 --> 00:46:12,930
that he wasn't responsible
for these killings?
691
00:46:13,667 --> 00:46:18,604
I am saying his actions were simply
a reflex. We say he was "automated".
692
00:46:19,505 --> 00:46:21,439
- No controlling mind.
- No!
693
00:46:21,506 --> 00:46:23,600
No, that's not right.
694
00:46:26,778 --> 00:46:29,075
Sir Joseph Channing's
clerk rang, Judge.
695
00:46:29,145 --> 00:46:31,944
She's looking for a date to
review the Shelby Brookes appeal.
696
00:46:32,015 --> 00:46:33,607
What's our timetable here?
697
00:46:33,682 --> 00:46:37,210
Well, Judge Previn has to go to
Paris tomorrow, so tomorrow's possible.
698
00:46:37,285 --> 00:46:38,344
OK, fine.
699
00:46:47,126 --> 00:46:50,459
I somehow feel we're letting
Private Clark down, badly.
700
00:46:53,997 --> 00:46:57,263
He's very unhappy
about those psychiatrists.
701
00:46:59,334 --> 00:47:02,600
A guilty plea would be
more honourable, sir.
702
00:47:04,671 --> 00:47:05,866
Yeah.
703
00:47:21,651 --> 00:47:23,643
I can't go along with
quashing this conviction.
704
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,154
The man was at a political rally
being deliberately provocative.
705
00:47:27,822 --> 00:47:30,450
Urging people to "take
action like proper citizens"?
706
00:47:30,524 --> 00:47:33,083
It was rather vague.
707
00:47:33,159 --> 00:47:35,957
Brookes was careful to
avoid concrete threats,
708
00:47:36,028 --> 00:47:39,486
while exercising his
democratic right to argue
709
00:47:39,563 --> 00:47:42,031
that Mohammed was
backward and primitive.
710
00:47:42,799 --> 00:47:44,097
Who's to say he's not right,
711
00:47:44,167 --> 00:47:47,694
when one considers how Islam
treats women and homosexuals?
712
00:47:47,769 --> 00:47:49,102
That's hardly relevant, anyway,
713
00:47:49,171 --> 00:47:52,367
as much the same could be said
of Roman Catholicism or Judaism.
714
00:47:52,439 --> 00:47:55,671
The mens rea in this
offence is intention.
715
00:47:55,742 --> 00:47:58,404
A conviction must
be based on proof
716
00:47:58,477 --> 00:48:03,004
that Brookes deliberately intended
to incite hatred against religion.
717
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,244
Yes, intention is very
difficult to define in law,
718
00:48:06,317 --> 00:48:08,286
but I'm of the view that
that was his intention.
719
00:48:08,352 --> 00:48:11,321
No. That's where the
original trial judge went wrong.
720
00:48:11,387 --> 00:48:14,981
He failed to allow the
jury to consider this
721
00:48:15,056 --> 00:48:18,424
as something primarily
subjective, as the law requires.
722
00:48:18,492 --> 00:48:20,289
Not that I blame him.
723
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,693
I mean, the legislation is the
usual bugger's muddle nowadays.
724
00:48:23,762 --> 00:48:27,095
I'm with Monty on this. No one
was being attacked in the speech
725
00:48:27,165 --> 00:48:31,295
or reviled for being something
he cannot change, like his race.
726
00:48:31,368 --> 00:48:35,498
But criticism of his ideas
and religion must be allowed,
727
00:48:35,571 --> 00:48:38,540
even if those criticisms
are harsh and aggressive.
728
00:48:38,606 --> 00:48:44,805
I mean, we can lampoon Roman
Catholicism without fear of death threats.
729
00:48:44,877 --> 00:48:49,746
No, Section 29 of the
Public Order Act makes clear
730
00:48:49,815 --> 00:48:53,910
that it was not intended to
prohibit religious criticism
731
00:48:53,984 --> 00:48:58,147
or even the expression
of abuse or insults.
732
00:48:58,220 --> 00:49:00,348
The conclusion's the same, Joe.
733
00:49:00,422 --> 00:49:02,584
Think about it, John.
734
00:49:05,859 --> 00:49:07,225
All rise.
735
00:49:22,972 --> 00:49:25,907
It is the view of this court
736
00:49:25,974 --> 00:49:31,775
that the judge at Mr Brookes's
original trial failed to direct the jury
737
00:49:31,845 --> 00:49:37,112
to the protections provided in
Section 29 of the Public Order Act.
738
00:49:37,182 --> 00:49:39,116
The wording is very clear.
739
00:49:39,183 --> 00:49:42,915
It specifically allows
the expression of,
740
00:49:42,987 --> 00:49:45,546
and let me quote
ipsissima verba,
741
00:49:46,355 --> 00:49:52,294
"dislike, ridicule, insult or
abuse of particular religions,
742
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,818
"or the beliefs or
practices of the adherents."
743
00:49:56,996 --> 00:50:01,558
Now, there is, in a free society,
an important difference between that
744
00:50:01,633 --> 00:50:05,899
and the intentional stirring-up
of hatred against people
745
00:50:05,970 --> 00:50:07,529
on religious grounds.
746
00:50:08,406 --> 00:50:13,342
That difference was not made
clear adequately to the jury.
747
00:50:14,776 --> 00:50:17,541
Therefore, we
quash the conviction.
748
00:50:17,945 --> 00:50:21,005
The appellant may be released.
749
00:50:22,816 --> 00:50:26,081
We shall rise whilst the
public gallery is cleared.
750
00:50:36,259 --> 00:50:38,387
Isn't there a London
contact for Dr Pavely?
751
00:50:38,461 --> 00:50:40,759
- Only the number the hotel has.
- It's never switched on.
752
00:50:40,829 --> 00:50:42,922
I could check some
other sources, Sir John.
753
00:51:05,346 --> 00:51:09,339
- What happened yesterday?
- Last-minute changes.
754
00:51:09,416 --> 00:51:11,816
- I had no contact.
- No.
755
00:51:11,884 --> 00:51:14,410
- Do you have them?
- Of course.
756
00:51:14,487 --> 00:51:16,819
So small, it only
kills the target.
757
00:51:16,888 --> 00:51:20,016
They'll trip as soon
as the box is opened.
758
00:51:20,090 --> 00:51:21,718
Fat old men love chocolate.
759
00:51:29,164 --> 00:51:31,632
You've made excellent
contact with our enemy.
760
00:51:32,233 --> 00:51:34,030
I was happy to do this for you.
761
00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:37,365
Your impeccable credentials
weren't questioned.
762
00:51:37,436 --> 00:51:40,234
He seems such a reasonable man.
763
00:51:40,305 --> 00:51:43,035
That's how treacherously
deceptive Western justice is.
764
00:51:43,106 --> 00:51:44,473
Hmm.
765
00:51:44,541 --> 00:51:47,567
They smile while
they kill your brothers.
766
00:51:47,643 --> 00:51:50,771
- Has something happened to my brothers?
- No.
767
00:51:50,846 --> 00:51:52,678
Contact has been made.
768
00:51:52,747 --> 00:51:55,409
They are training in
Afghanistan with the mujaheddin.
769
00:51:58,918 --> 00:52:03,184
Their cause is just, sister. But
we can bring them back for you.
770
00:52:03,255 --> 00:52:06,224
First, there's something
else we require of you.
771
00:52:28,306 --> 00:52:29,466
Hello, Dave.
772
00:52:34,344 --> 00:52:35,404
How are you?
773
00:52:35,778 --> 00:52:39,441
- Margaret, how did you get...?
- As part of your defence team.
774
00:52:39,515 --> 00:52:40,983
Mark wanted to have a word.
775
00:52:42,718 --> 00:52:45,778
- They treating you right?
- Can't complain.
776
00:52:48,188 --> 00:52:50,316
No, you were never a complainer.
777
00:52:52,290 --> 00:52:54,156
We all admired you for that.
778
00:52:57,060 --> 00:52:58,551
How's things with the rags?
779
00:53:00,330 --> 00:53:02,628
Bad and getting worse.
780
00:53:03,332 --> 00:53:07,062
The plan by the British Army
and the British Government
781
00:53:07,134 --> 00:53:12,333
is to undermine Private Clark's
defence and so deny him his day in court.
782
00:53:13,773 --> 00:53:16,799
They are trying to recategorise
Private Clark as mad
783
00:53:16,875 --> 00:53:19,605
so he can't stand trial.
784
00:53:19,677 --> 00:53:24,137
It is members of the British Government
who should be tried as war criminals,
785
00:53:24,214 --> 00:53:26,444
not Private Clark.
786
00:53:26,515 --> 00:53:31,680
Our Government should be on
trial for persisting in this illegal war.
787
00:53:32,586 --> 00:53:36,455
- A war which, I might add...
- What is going on?
788
00:53:36,523 --> 00:53:39,034
How will this help our client?
We'll be reported to the Bar Council.
789
00:53:39,058 --> 00:53:41,050
It cuts the ground
from under them, Jo.
790
00:53:41,127 --> 00:53:44,653
Nor the international
community as a whole.
791
00:53:45,596 --> 00:53:47,292
Do you realise what
your cronies have done?
792
00:53:47,364 --> 00:53:48,888
I think it was justified.
793
00:53:49,799 --> 00:53:51,700
Are you as warped as they are?
794
00:53:51,768 --> 00:53:54,293
You're the leader, you're
going to have to take the rap.
795
00:53:54,369 --> 00:53:56,462
You will get reported
to the Bar Council.
796
00:53:56,537 --> 00:53:58,782
It's just another way for the
Government to put pressure on us.
797
00:53:58,806 --> 00:54:01,502
Listen to you! You're even
beginning to sound like them.
798
00:54:01,575 --> 00:54:04,510
- You're out to stop this trial.
- No.
799
00:54:04,577 --> 00:54:06,671
Defect of mind.
800
00:54:06,745 --> 00:54:10,180
If he went not guilty on failure
to appreciate unlawfulness,
801
00:54:10,247 --> 00:54:11,613
he might have walked.
802
00:54:11,682 --> 00:54:14,117
He was sound when
he was sent back to Iraq.
803
00:54:16,285 --> 00:54:19,743
- I was just trying to help you.
- We want our day in court.
804
00:54:19,821 --> 00:54:22,881
Are you out to score political
points or help your client?
805
00:54:22,957 --> 00:54:25,323
That is pretty cheap.
806
00:54:25,391 --> 00:54:30,556
You may not like me joining this set,
but we never compromise our clients.
807
00:54:30,629 --> 00:54:34,531
Their interests and your
client's don't coincide.
808
00:54:34,599 --> 00:54:36,965
They coincide exactly.
809
00:54:37,033 --> 00:54:39,730
Private Clark was sent to
do a job he was trained for.
810
00:54:39,803 --> 00:54:41,168
He made a judgment call
811
00:54:41,236 --> 00:54:44,399
that doesn't accord with the shifting
sands of the Government's war policy.
812
00:54:44,472 --> 00:54:46,133
That does not make him guilty.
813
00:54:46,206 --> 00:54:51,041
He emptied a whole magazine into a
group of civilians, including children.
814
00:54:51,110 --> 00:54:53,544
- 30 bullets.
- Mmm-hmm. In four seconds.
815
00:54:53,612 --> 00:54:55,444
Well, that's hardly a
split-second decision.
816
00:54:55,513 --> 00:54:59,245
But children made objects of war
can kill as easily as their parents can.
817
00:54:59,316 --> 00:55:01,511
No, that argument's unwinnable.
818
00:55:01,584 --> 00:55:03,644
Well, it would be before a jury.
819
00:55:05,487 --> 00:55:06,750
Defect of mind.
820
00:55:07,956 --> 00:55:11,221
The court could request
you to enter that plea.
821
00:55:11,292 --> 00:55:14,921
That would make my client a scapegoat
and get your employers off the hook.
822
00:55:15,261 --> 00:55:21,460
The Government does not employ
me. Why would I support such a position?
823
00:55:21,532 --> 00:55:23,091
Yes, John...
824
00:55:23,167 --> 00:55:24,566
why would you?
825
00:55:33,874 --> 00:55:35,719
- That seemed rather tense.
- Sorry, you can't...
826
00:55:35,743 --> 00:55:40,442
No, it's all right, it's all right,
she's here now. Well, you're back.
827
00:55:40,613 --> 00:55:41,807
Uh-huh.
828
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,849
I tried calling you. How
long are you back for?
829
00:55:43,915 --> 00:55:46,713
Until I get the AIDS
conference organised.
830
00:55:46,784 --> 00:55:49,810
We need the pharmaceutical
companies to donate more drugs.
831
00:55:49,886 --> 00:55:51,320
Urgently, you know?
832
00:55:51,388 --> 00:55:53,856
Yep. Better try blackmail.
833
00:55:54,556 --> 00:55:57,081
Remembering to stay just
the right side of what's legal.
834
00:55:57,158 --> 00:56:00,219
Oh, yes, where is that? Huh?
835
00:56:00,294 --> 00:56:03,195
Well, we could have dinner
and work out precisely where.
836
00:56:04,964 --> 00:56:06,829
Is that work...
837
00:56:06,898 --> 00:56:08,162
or social?
838
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,094
It's whatever we decide it is.
69535
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