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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:26,504 --> 00:00:28,550 I played with a very good friend of mine. 4 00:00:29,420 --> 00:00:31,944 He and I used to pretend like we were playing 5 00:00:32,119 --> 00:00:34,556 against eight other guys and we played with anything 6 00:00:34,730 --> 00:00:36,819 that we could to pretend like it was a baseball 7 00:00:36,993 --> 00:00:38,342 and we used broomsticks. 8 00:00:39,561 --> 00:00:41,693 I don't know that you would call it baseball. 9 00:00:41,867 --> 00:00:44,044 But we did the best we could. 10 00:00:48,091 --> 00:00:51,007 A baseball is round, the bat's the same, you know? 11 00:00:51,660 --> 00:00:53,270 If you have talent, no matter what color you are, 12 00:00:53,444 --> 00:00:55,229 and if you can play, you can play. 13 00:00:57,144 --> 00:00:59,885 Baseball is the greatest game that's ever been invented. 14 00:01:02,932 --> 00:01:04,151 I think there's always been 15 00:01:04,325 --> 00:01:06,022 in African American life 16 00:01:06,196 --> 00:01:10,113 a real appreciation of improvisation. 17 00:01:11,158 --> 00:01:14,465 You figured out other ways of being able to succeed. 18 00:01:15,031 --> 00:01:19,470 And a perfect example of that is what they did with baseball. 19 00:01:20,645 --> 00:01:22,778 And that's the story really of the Negro Leagues. 20 00:01:42,667 --> 00:01:44,191 "Prince" Joe: I hear Black people talking 21 00:01:44,365 --> 00:01:45,975 about church, I talk about the Negro Leagues. 22 00:01:46,454 --> 00:01:49,370 So much depth. You had all kind of stars. 23 00:01:49,979 --> 00:01:51,763 There was a camaraderie, man. 24 00:01:52,547 --> 00:01:54,592 You finished playing a baseball game? 25 00:01:55,027 --> 00:01:57,334 And, man, you go to the nice places 26 00:01:57,508 --> 00:01:58,988 within the Black community, 27 00:01:59,206 --> 00:02:00,946 and all of your people were there. 28 00:02:01,425 --> 00:02:03,079 They're so loving, you know? 29 00:02:03,732 --> 00:02:04,733 Greatest thing that ever happened 30 00:02:04,907 --> 00:02:05,821 to me in my life. 31 00:02:07,910 --> 00:02:10,173 Negroes didn't play ball 'cause they were making money. 32 00:02:10,739 --> 00:02:13,742 They played the ballgame because they loved to play it. 33 00:02:17,441 --> 00:02:19,400 The Negro Leagues, I think is a story 34 00:02:19,574 --> 00:02:23,969 about what Black Americans were able to achieve 35 00:02:24,231 --> 00:02:26,842 at a time when they only had themselves to rely on. 36 00:02:27,451 --> 00:02:29,845 They are a proud bunch of men 37 00:02:30,237 --> 00:02:32,500 who play between the white foul lines. 38 00:02:33,109 --> 00:02:36,156 They accepted their role as a part of a movement 39 00:02:36,460 --> 00:02:39,028 before we coined the term "Civil Rights Movement." 40 00:02:40,682 --> 00:02:42,205 Bob K: To go to a Negro Leagues game, 41 00:02:42,379 --> 00:02:44,381 you could feel the immense pride 42 00:02:45,208 --> 00:02:47,863 that Black folks had about this product 43 00:02:48,037 --> 00:02:49,299 known as the Negro Leagues. 44 00:02:50,170 --> 00:02:52,563 To a large degree because they understood 45 00:02:52,737 --> 00:02:56,088 that it was something that was inherently ours. 46 00:02:56,263 --> 00:02:58,134 Now, it was shared with the rest of the world, 47 00:02:58,787 --> 00:03:00,136 but it was still ours. 48 00:03:00,441 --> 00:03:01,964 The stories 49 00:03:02,182 --> 00:03:04,488 about the American Negro Baseball League 50 00:03:05,010 --> 00:03:07,404 were always good news. 51 00:03:07,926 --> 00:03:09,798 People would say, "Did you hear about the League?" 52 00:03:09,972 --> 00:03:11,974 And you always knew that they meant 53 00:03:12,148 --> 00:03:14,106 the Negro Baseball League. 54 00:03:37,782 --> 00:03:39,480 ♪ Yeah ♪ 55 00:03:39,784 --> 00:03:41,395 Bob M: I wish you could have seen all that I have seen. 56 00:03:42,265 --> 00:03:43,571 For over ten years, 57 00:03:43,832 --> 00:03:45,268 I was an umpire in the Negro Leagues. 58 00:03:46,269 --> 00:03:47,401 When I first heard about the leagues 59 00:03:47,575 --> 00:03:48,924 as a young man, 60 00:03:49,229 --> 00:03:51,143 I knew I wanted to be a part of that world, 61 00:03:51,492 --> 00:03:52,884 closer to all of my heroes. 62 00:03:53,407 --> 00:03:55,104 ♪ Yeah! ♪ 63 00:03:55,278 --> 00:03:58,586 ♪ Did you see Jackie Robinson Hit that ball? ♪ 64 00:03:59,500 --> 00:04:02,677 ♪ It went zoomin' Cross the left field wall ♪ 65 00:04:03,199 --> 00:04:05,114 Bob M: Getting my dream job as an umpire 66 00:04:05,288 --> 00:04:07,856 in the Negro Leagues allowed me to see, firsthand, 67 00:04:08,248 --> 00:04:10,075 some of the best players in the game. 68 00:04:11,381 --> 00:04:13,253 Some of the greats never achieved renown, 69 00:04:13,818 --> 00:04:15,211 but there were quite a few 70 00:04:15,385 --> 00:04:16,908 celebrated Major League ballplayers 71 00:04:17,082 --> 00:04:19,084 who got their start in the Negro Leagues. 72 00:04:19,259 --> 00:04:22,784 ♪ Satchel Paige is mellow So is Campanella ♪ 73 00:04:23,306 --> 00:04:25,395 ♪ Newcombe and Doby too ♪ 74 00:04:26,614 --> 00:04:30,052 ♪ But it's a natural fact When Jackie comes to bat ♪ 75 00:04:30,879 --> 00:04:33,273 ♪ The other team is through ♪ 76 00:04:33,447 --> 00:04:35,144 Bob M: We didn't realize it at the time, 77 00:04:35,623 --> 00:04:37,625 but the great ballplayers of the leagues 78 00:04:38,060 --> 00:04:39,757 would transform the game. 79 00:04:40,932 --> 00:04:43,544 Jackie Robinson is recognized 80 00:04:43,718 --> 00:04:48,418 as the first professional African American ballplayer 81 00:04:48,592 --> 00:04:50,594 to play in the Major Leagues. 82 00:04:52,335 --> 00:04:54,076 Well, we know that in 1884, 83 00:04:54,337 --> 00:04:56,165 Moses Fleetwood Walker 84 00:04:56,339 --> 00:05:00,212 played for a professional team, the Toledo Blue Stockings. 85 00:05:00,648 --> 00:05:04,782 So there were African American professional ballplayers 86 00:05:04,956 --> 00:05:07,045 in the 19th century. 87 00:05:08,133 --> 00:05:10,135 African Americans have been playing baseball 88 00:05:10,310 --> 00:05:13,617 for as long as White people have been playing baseball. 89 00:05:14,488 --> 00:05:17,882 As the sport began to take hold in popularity, 90 00:05:18,056 --> 00:05:21,756 post-Civil War, Black people were there always. 91 00:05:22,887 --> 00:05:24,585 There were organized Black teams, 92 00:05:24,759 --> 00:05:26,238 and they barnstormed. 93 00:05:26,413 --> 00:05:27,936 They played against other Black teams. 94 00:05:28,110 --> 00:05:30,025 They played against White teams. 95 00:05:30,808 --> 00:05:33,507 There were Blacks who did play 96 00:05:34,072 --> 00:05:38,033 with Whites on teams. But the team was majority White, 97 00:05:38,207 --> 00:05:40,296 it may have one or two Black players on it 98 00:05:41,079 --> 00:05:42,994 and that seemed to be something that was more acceptable 99 00:05:43,168 --> 00:05:44,953 to the White paying public. 100 00:05:45,257 --> 00:05:46,911 If they only have one or two Black players 101 00:05:47,085 --> 00:05:48,304 as opposed to a team 102 00:05:48,478 --> 00:05:50,001 that might have majority Black players 103 00:05:50,175 --> 00:05:51,307 and one or two White players. 104 00:05:53,396 --> 00:05:56,094 But as we move forward through history, 105 00:05:56,399 --> 00:05:59,968 we see that segregation starts to tighten its hold. 106 00:06:01,926 --> 00:06:03,711 In 1887, 107 00:06:04,059 --> 00:06:06,714 the character named Adrian "Cap" Anson 108 00:06:06,888 --> 00:06:08,455 who's up in the Hall of Fame right now, 109 00:06:08,629 --> 00:06:10,718 one of the fathers of professional baseball, 110 00:06:10,892 --> 00:06:12,807 is scheduled to play in Newark 111 00:06:13,155 --> 00:06:14,765 against the Newark Little Giants. 112 00:06:15,026 --> 00:06:16,245 Anson is a racist. 113 00:06:16,419 --> 00:06:17,942 There's no question he's a racist 114 00:06:18,334 --> 00:06:20,380 because two Black players, 115 00:06:20,554 --> 00:06:22,817 one of them named George Stovey, a pitcher, 116 00:06:22,991 --> 00:06:25,254 and the other Moses Fleetwood Walker. 117 00:06:26,255 --> 00:06:27,909 Anson sends word ahead, 118 00:06:28,083 --> 00:06:30,433 "If those two so-and-so's..." 119 00:06:30,651 --> 00:06:33,436 and he uses a word stronger than "so-and-so's," 120 00:06:33,741 --> 00:06:35,960 "...are seen on the field of play, 121 00:06:36,744 --> 00:06:38,354 my team is not gonna play." 122 00:06:41,183 --> 00:06:43,577 Cap Anson, at the time, is really popular, 123 00:06:43,751 --> 00:06:47,058 and the idea that Cap Anson could potentially represent 124 00:06:47,232 --> 00:06:50,018 the beliefs and ideals of White people 125 00:06:50,192 --> 00:06:53,064 throughout baseball, throughout America in general, 126 00:06:53,369 --> 00:06:54,631 is something that these executives 127 00:06:54,805 --> 00:06:56,024 really pay attention to. 128 00:06:56,198 --> 00:06:58,374 So when he says that he's not willing 129 00:06:58,548 --> 00:07:00,245 to take the field with Black players, 130 00:07:00,420 --> 00:07:01,421 they're like, "Okay." 131 00:07:02,204 --> 00:07:03,945 The International League directors 132 00:07:04,119 --> 00:07:06,513 held a secret meeting at the Genesee House yesterday, 133 00:07:06,687 --> 00:07:08,036 and the question of Colored players 134 00:07:08,210 --> 00:07:09,472 was freely discussed. 135 00:07:10,821 --> 00:07:12,606 Many of the best players in the League are anxious 136 00:07:12,780 --> 00:07:14,738 to leave on account of the Colored element, 137 00:07:15,347 --> 00:07:18,655 and the board finally directed Secretary White to approve 138 00:07:18,829 --> 00:07:21,397 of no more contracts with Colored men. 139 00:07:23,312 --> 00:07:26,837 African American ballplayers were very good 140 00:07:27,011 --> 00:07:28,926 at this game, and they were so good 141 00:07:29,100 --> 00:07:31,102 at the game that the fear was that, 142 00:07:31,451 --> 00:07:33,670 you know, they would consume the positions 143 00:07:33,844 --> 00:07:36,412 that White players were vying for. 144 00:07:38,414 --> 00:07:39,850 In 1896, we have 145 00:07:40,024 --> 00:07:42,549 the Plessy versus Ferguson decision 146 00:07:42,853 --> 00:07:45,769 that determines that separate is equal. 147 00:07:46,161 --> 00:07:48,511 Now, it's not, and we know that. 148 00:07:48,685 --> 00:07:51,122 And so, it sets up, essentially, 149 00:07:51,296 --> 00:07:53,951 what we have going well into the 20th century, 150 00:07:54,169 --> 00:07:56,258 which is this legal doctrine that says, 151 00:07:56,476 --> 00:07:58,782 "It is okay to keep everyone separate." 152 00:07:59,391 --> 00:08:03,308 What was happening there is that a hand goes up 153 00:08:03,483 --> 00:08:06,703 with a stop sign on it, and it's saying to Blacks 154 00:08:06,921 --> 00:08:10,054 outside of baseball, but also inside of baseball, 155 00:08:10,228 --> 00:08:12,492 "You can't do this. You can't do that. 156 00:08:12,666 --> 00:08:15,103 You can't go here. You can't be this." 157 00:08:17,801 --> 00:08:21,544 Well, what do you do when that comes at you? 158 00:08:23,285 --> 00:08:25,374 You turn back into yourself. 159 00:08:25,809 --> 00:08:28,072 You find resources that are your own resources, 160 00:08:28,508 --> 00:08:31,380 and you establish things for yourself 161 00:08:31,598 --> 00:08:33,556 that the larger world is saying you can't do, 162 00:08:33,730 --> 00:08:34,949 et cetera, et cetera. 163 00:08:36,907 --> 00:08:38,213 Really all over the country 164 00:08:38,387 --> 00:08:40,041 Black people were coming together 165 00:08:40,215 --> 00:08:43,784 and forming these self-sustaining communities. 166 00:08:43,958 --> 00:08:46,830 It's okay if they never fully bring us into society. 167 00:08:47,004 --> 00:08:48,005 We can do it ourselves. 168 00:08:49,050 --> 00:08:53,184 We enjoyed ourselves because we were by ourselves. 169 00:08:53,358 --> 00:08:55,578 And nobody trying to tell us what to do. 170 00:08:55,926 --> 00:08:59,147 So we learn how to do with what we had. 171 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,759 See, what do old ladies say? "Got to use what you got"? 172 00:09:03,412 --> 00:09:05,109 So we had to use what we had. 173 00:09:05,632 --> 00:09:07,764 So Black businesses come into being 174 00:09:07,938 --> 00:09:09,374 in that period of time, 175 00:09:09,766 --> 00:09:12,334 founded for themselves out of their own resources, 176 00:09:12,508 --> 00:09:15,990 Black schools and baseball too. 177 00:09:17,034 --> 00:09:19,515 After the Plessy versus Ferguson decision, 178 00:09:19,689 --> 00:09:23,911 great Black professional baseball teams come into being, 179 00:09:24,607 --> 00:09:29,438 and the players and the games were ballyhooed by newspapers 180 00:09:29,917 --> 00:09:32,006 that were their own newspapers. 181 00:09:32,267 --> 00:09:34,356 And those newspapers knew 182 00:09:34,530 --> 00:09:36,576 the audience that they had to play to. 183 00:09:40,405 --> 00:09:42,712 Everybody read the Chicago Defender 184 00:09:43,060 --> 00:09:44,845 and thePittsburgh Courier... 185 00:09:45,019 --> 00:09:48,457 ...the two leading Black newspapers in the country. 186 00:09:48,892 --> 00:09:51,329 My grandmother, in our little town, 187 00:09:51,721 --> 00:09:55,029 wouldn't take the weekly newspaper. 188 00:09:55,333 --> 00:09:56,683 She said it was written 189 00:09:56,857 --> 00:09:58,815 for Whites, by Whites, and about Whites. 190 00:09:59,599 --> 00:10:01,470 I mean, there were several major Black newspapers, 191 00:10:01,644 --> 00:10:03,037 and Chicago Defender 192 00:10:03,211 --> 00:10:05,561 was probably the major Black newspaper. 193 00:10:05,779 --> 00:10:07,171 And lots of people read it. 194 00:10:07,345 --> 00:10:08,651 Lots of Black people read it in the South. 195 00:10:09,173 --> 00:10:11,785 And the Chicago Defender was a big promoter 196 00:10:11,959 --> 00:10:14,004 of Black people moving to the North. 197 00:10:16,964 --> 00:10:18,400 It was a push-pull thing. 198 00:10:18,574 --> 00:10:20,184 You're being attracted by the possibility 199 00:10:20,358 --> 00:10:22,665 that life could be better for you moving, 200 00:10:22,839 --> 00:10:25,537 and you want to get away from a situation that's bad. 201 00:10:25,712 --> 00:10:27,061 So something's pushing you out, 202 00:10:27,235 --> 00:10:28,889 as well as something is pulling you forward. 203 00:10:30,586 --> 00:10:32,457 Bob M: For Blacks in the Jim Crow South, 204 00:10:32,632 --> 00:10:33,763 life was a struggle. 205 00:10:34,546 --> 00:10:36,157 Where I grew up in Alabama, 206 00:10:36,592 --> 00:10:38,550 fear and violence were commonplace. 207 00:10:40,465 --> 00:10:43,904 The Ku Klux Klan always did its dirty work at night 208 00:10:44,078 --> 00:10:46,210 and would often drive right past us on the way 209 00:10:46,384 --> 00:10:48,822 to a lynching or cross-burning ceremony. 210 00:10:50,737 --> 00:10:52,216 Bob M: Mama would shout, 211 00:10:52,477 --> 00:10:54,262 "Y'all kids, hurry up, and turn off the lights, 212 00:10:54,436 --> 00:10:56,046 and lay down on the floor." 213 00:10:56,438 --> 00:10:59,006 With the house pitch black, I could hear my heart pounding 214 00:10:59,180 --> 00:11:00,616 with terror as I lay there. 215 00:11:01,182 --> 00:11:02,705 If rifles were shooting in the air... 216 00:11:02,879 --> 00:11:03,793 ...then we knew 217 00:11:03,967 --> 00:11:05,403 some poor Black soul 218 00:11:05,577 --> 00:11:07,362 had been lynched just over the hill. 219 00:11:11,714 --> 00:11:13,716 My brother had written me several times, 220 00:11:13,890 --> 00:11:15,936 encouraging me to join him in the North. 221 00:11:16,458 --> 00:11:17,851 I longed to go. 222 00:11:18,503 --> 00:11:22,159 So on a chilly October day, I hopped aboard a freight train. 223 00:11:23,073 --> 00:11:24,858 As the train chugged forward, 224 00:11:25,032 --> 00:11:27,077 I could feel the weight of Southern oppression 225 00:11:27,251 --> 00:11:28,775 lifted off my shoulders, 226 00:11:29,123 --> 00:11:31,560 on our way to a promised land of jobs, 227 00:11:31,734 --> 00:11:33,257 independence... 228 00:11:33,431 --> 00:11:36,217 ...and a better life for a Colored man in America. 229 00:11:37,087 --> 00:11:38,610 We had a dream. 230 00:11:39,481 --> 00:11:41,178 People felt that 231 00:11:41,483 --> 00:11:44,268 this is a land of opportunity. Okay, so I will move North, 232 00:11:44,616 --> 00:11:47,054 I will move West, et cetera. 233 00:11:47,228 --> 00:11:52,189 All of these areas where we hope to find the real America. 234 00:11:52,363 --> 00:11:55,584 America that allows us to be all we can be, 235 00:11:55,976 --> 00:11:57,412 all we can become. 236 00:11:58,239 --> 00:12:00,937 And it's a flood tide, that immigration. 237 00:12:01,329 --> 00:12:03,157 Over a million Blacks come up 238 00:12:03,331 --> 00:12:06,464 out of the South to settle in urban centers in the North. 239 00:12:07,857 --> 00:12:10,817 So it's no surprise that Black baseball 240 00:12:10,991 --> 00:12:13,994 would develop as Black people moved out of the South 241 00:12:14,211 --> 00:12:16,387 and into cities where the segregation 242 00:12:16,561 --> 00:12:20,130 was a little less rigid and they had transportation 243 00:12:20,304 --> 00:12:22,480 to get people to go to a ballgame. 244 00:12:22,785 --> 00:12:24,918 These kinds of things made a huge difference 245 00:12:25,092 --> 00:12:26,484 in making it possible for Black people 246 00:12:26,658 --> 00:12:28,835 to have an array of teams in cities. 247 00:12:32,099 --> 00:12:33,883 So now, you see 248 00:12:34,492 --> 00:12:37,887 a few entrepreneurs trying to make a go of it in baseball. 249 00:12:38,453 --> 00:12:42,805 And people like Rube Foster, in Chicago, is able to see 250 00:12:42,979 --> 00:12:44,981 that a Black club can be 251 00:12:45,199 --> 00:12:47,201 a successful business enterprise. 252 00:12:50,421 --> 00:12:54,774 Bob K: Andrew Rube Foster owned the Chicago American Giants, 253 00:12:54,948 --> 00:12:57,733 and he managed the Chicago American Giants. 254 00:12:58,212 --> 00:13:01,128 And Rube Foster, in my own estimation, 255 00:13:01,302 --> 00:13:05,915 is the greatest baseball mind this sport has ever seen. 256 00:13:06,350 --> 00:13:09,397 Rube Foster was light-years ahead of his time. 257 00:13:10,398 --> 00:13:12,095 He was better known as a pitcher, 258 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,969 he pitched seven no-hitters in his brilliant career. 259 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,667 Quite frankly, by 1905, he might have been 260 00:13:18,841 --> 00:13:20,930 the greatest pitcher in the world. 261 00:13:21,452 --> 00:13:23,411 Bob K: He is credited with having invented 262 00:13:23,585 --> 00:13:26,544 what we now know to be the screwball. 263 00:13:26,980 --> 00:13:29,025 Back then, it was called a "fade away," 264 00:13:29,547 --> 00:13:32,072 and ol' Rube perfected this pitch. 265 00:13:32,812 --> 00:13:35,162 So much so that the great 266 00:13:35,336 --> 00:13:37,904 Major League manager, John McGraw, 267 00:13:38,469 --> 00:13:43,648 would sneak Rube into his camp so that Rube Foster could teach 268 00:13:43,866 --> 00:13:47,043 Christy Mathewson how to throw the screwball. 269 00:13:47,565 --> 00:13:49,741 Christy Mathewson threw the pitch all the way 270 00:13:49,916 --> 00:13:52,005 into the National Baseball Hall of Fame, 271 00:13:52,179 --> 00:13:54,268 that he learned from Rube Foster. 272 00:13:55,791 --> 00:14:01,057 Rube's greatest asset was his genius as a manager 273 00:14:01,231 --> 00:14:02,885 and as an executive. 274 00:14:03,059 --> 00:14:05,888 He's the founder of the Chicago American Giants, 275 00:14:06,106 --> 00:14:10,501 1910 or thereabouts and through the next decade, 276 00:14:10,675 --> 00:14:13,722 Rube Foster makes that team into the greatest Black team 277 00:14:13,896 --> 00:14:16,116 up to that point in time that there was. 278 00:14:16,812 --> 00:14:19,423 Mr. Foster was a pretty smart dude, now. 279 00:14:19,815 --> 00:14:22,209 You would thought he went to school somewhere, 280 00:14:22,687 --> 00:14:24,211 but he didn't. 281 00:14:24,559 --> 00:14:27,692 He would go down South to the Negro colleges in Texas, 282 00:14:27,867 --> 00:14:30,521 and he would get a lot of the ballplayers 283 00:14:30,957 --> 00:14:32,045 out of the schools. 284 00:14:33,046 --> 00:14:36,353 If he was a fast man, a good runner, he'd say, 285 00:14:36,527 --> 00:14:39,443 "Would you put on some football pads? 286 00:14:39,835 --> 00:14:41,184 I want you to learn 287 00:14:41,358 --> 00:14:43,056 how to steal bases." 288 00:14:43,230 --> 00:14:44,753 And Mr. Foster taught them all the tricks. 289 00:14:46,015 --> 00:14:49,801 He exploited the rules to his maximum benefit. 290 00:14:50,106 --> 00:14:51,803 We're looking at a bunt-and-run... 291 00:14:51,978 --> 00:14:53,980 ...drag bunting... 292 00:14:56,025 --> 00:14:57,113 double steals... 293 00:14:59,028 --> 00:15:01,465 a suicide squeeze play at home plate. 294 00:15:01,726 --> 00:15:03,206 He made the game more up tempo. 295 00:15:03,772 --> 00:15:06,383 You see, he was adamant about the style of play 296 00:15:06,949 --> 00:15:09,909 that would become signature Negro Leagues Baseball. 297 00:15:10,126 --> 00:15:13,390 Fast, aggressive, daring. 298 00:15:13,564 --> 00:15:14,957 They bunt their way up. 299 00:15:15,175 --> 00:15:17,133 They steal second, they steal third. 300 00:15:17,307 --> 00:15:19,005 And, man, if you weren't too smart, 301 00:15:19,179 --> 00:15:20,528 they were stealing home. 302 00:15:30,712 --> 00:15:32,235 During World War I, 303 00:15:32,409 --> 00:15:34,977 W.E.B. Du Bois wrote a very famous editorial 304 00:15:35,151 --> 00:15:37,110 in the crisis called "Close Ranks." 305 00:15:37,327 --> 00:15:40,461 He told Black people, "We need to set aside 306 00:15:40,722 --> 00:15:45,031 our grievances and go join with the country to go fight 307 00:15:45,205 --> 00:15:46,467 to save democracy." 308 00:15:50,601 --> 00:15:51,820 News reporter: Fighting with the eighth Illinois 309 00:15:52,038 --> 00:15:53,430 on the Swanson Front... 310 00:15:55,302 --> 00:15:57,652 ...372nd on the plains of Mons-En-Chaussée. 311 00:15:59,567 --> 00:16:01,047 But he thought that doing this, 312 00:16:01,221 --> 00:16:03,049 Black people would show their loyalty, 313 00:16:03,223 --> 00:16:05,399 and Black people would show they were American citizens, 314 00:16:05,573 --> 00:16:07,357 and Black people would show that they were putting 315 00:16:07,531 --> 00:16:08,968 being American 316 00:16:09,359 --> 00:16:11,883 above being Black, and that this would get them 317 00:16:12,058 --> 00:16:14,147 some degree of acceptance. This would get them some degree 318 00:16:14,321 --> 00:16:16,714 of White people listening to their grievances 319 00:16:16,888 --> 00:16:18,107 and responding to their grievances. 320 00:16:18,281 --> 00:16:19,282 He turned out to be totally wrong. 321 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,416 What happens is that they come back 322 00:16:22,982 --> 00:16:26,376 into a racial world that is terribly negative. 323 00:16:26,594 --> 00:16:30,293 In a couple of instances, the Chicago Defender prints 324 00:16:30,467 --> 00:16:35,037 a Black soldier in his uniform being hanged, being lynched. 325 00:16:37,866 --> 00:16:41,261 The Red Summer of 1919 was one of the worst summers 326 00:16:41,435 --> 00:16:44,742 of White terroristic violence in history of this country. 327 00:16:44,916 --> 00:16:49,399 From the late winter up until the following fall, 328 00:16:49,573 --> 00:16:52,707 there was violence all over, and it was, almost all of it 329 00:16:52,881 --> 00:16:55,014 was White violence against Blacks. 330 00:17:11,465 --> 00:17:13,554 The most noted was Chicago. 331 00:17:13,858 --> 00:17:16,992 There was also terrible blow up in Washington, DC, 332 00:17:17,166 --> 00:17:19,690 Wilmington, Delaware, Elaine, Arkansas. 333 00:17:19,864 --> 00:17:21,257 It happened all over. 334 00:17:22,128 --> 00:17:27,350 And part of it was White people wanting to tell Black people 335 00:17:27,568 --> 00:17:31,963 the war doesn't change anything, and we're still in charge. 336 00:17:34,444 --> 00:17:36,968 But it convinced a lot of Black people, 337 00:17:37,317 --> 00:17:41,408 all the more, that we need to close ranks 338 00:17:41,582 --> 00:17:44,498 in another kind of way to build our own institutions. 339 00:17:54,682 --> 00:17:55,683 You had the rise 340 00:17:55,857 --> 00:17:57,293 of someone like Marcus Garvey. 341 00:17:57,467 --> 00:17:59,904 You had people who were telling Black people, 342 00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:02,385 in essence, that they had a destiny. 343 00:18:02,646 --> 00:18:04,692 Soon after, we got Alain Locke writing 344 00:18:04,866 --> 00:18:06,824 his great book called, The New Negro. 345 00:18:07,042 --> 00:18:09,044 The New Negro had a new voice. 346 00:18:09,349 --> 00:18:11,133 The New Negro was not going 347 00:18:11,307 --> 00:18:15,268 to sit back and accept these segregated sanctions anymore. 348 00:18:15,485 --> 00:18:17,270 And so we got a new mindset. 349 00:18:17,574 --> 00:18:20,838 This is the perfect time in America to start 350 00:18:21,100 --> 00:18:23,798 an organized league in 1920. 351 00:18:25,321 --> 00:18:27,541 Rube Foster certainly has to be aware 352 00:18:27,715 --> 00:18:30,021 of all these people trying to figure out 353 00:18:30,196 --> 00:18:32,633 how to move Black people forward 354 00:18:32,807 --> 00:18:35,853 in a society that has constantly ostracized them, 355 00:18:36,027 --> 00:18:37,594 that has kept them on the margins 356 00:18:37,768 --> 00:18:39,640 and doesn't appear to be changing. 357 00:18:40,162 --> 00:18:44,949 So Rube Foster wrote a series of op-eds called, 358 00:18:45,124 --> 00:18:48,388 "The Pitfalls of Baseball" for the Chicago Defender, 359 00:18:48,562 --> 00:18:50,912 and he talked about the importance 360 00:18:51,086 --> 00:18:54,133 of organizing Black baseball. 361 00:18:54,785 --> 00:18:56,439 How it would benefit, 362 00:18:56,613 --> 00:18:59,964 not just the players, but the owners of each team, 363 00:19:00,139 --> 00:19:02,967 for them to form this connected league 364 00:19:03,229 --> 00:19:06,014 and to have scheduled games and play against each other 365 00:19:06,188 --> 00:19:08,495 and build a fan base. 366 00:19:09,539 --> 00:19:11,889 "I have fought against delivering Colored baseball 367 00:19:12,063 --> 00:19:13,543 into the control of Whites, 368 00:19:14,065 --> 00:19:16,590 thinking that with a show of patronage from the fans 369 00:19:16,851 --> 00:19:18,287 we would get together." 370 00:19:20,463 --> 00:19:24,554 So he gets paperwork done in the state of Illinois 371 00:19:24,728 --> 00:19:27,078 to incorporate this non-existent league 372 00:19:27,253 --> 00:19:29,646 that no one has even agreed to do yet. 373 00:19:30,125 --> 00:19:33,128 And he gets these other team owners to agree, 374 00:19:33,302 --> 00:19:36,175 and they meet in Kansas City at the Y. 375 00:19:37,872 --> 00:19:39,917 Bob K: You know, I wish I could have been 376 00:19:40,091 --> 00:19:42,920 a fly on the wall in that room because Rube Foster had to be 377 00:19:43,094 --> 00:19:44,357 a master salesman. 378 00:19:44,531 --> 00:19:46,185 He had to be because he had pulled 379 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,099 these independent Black baseball team owners. 380 00:19:48,274 --> 00:19:49,884 So they were already making money. 381 00:19:50,058 --> 00:19:53,235 And now he had to convince them that they could be 382 00:19:53,409 --> 00:19:57,065 even more successful if we organize 383 00:19:57,370 --> 00:19:59,937 and we now share a piece of the pie 384 00:20:00,199 --> 00:20:02,201 by creating our own league. 385 00:20:02,897 --> 00:20:04,986 And so, you know Rube was a great salesman 386 00:20:05,247 --> 00:20:07,249 because he was able to do that. 387 00:20:08,032 --> 00:20:11,775 And on February 13th, 1920, they walked out having signed 388 00:20:11,949 --> 00:20:14,256 the documents to start the Negro National League. 389 00:20:16,606 --> 00:20:18,478 His motto for the League 390 00:20:18,826 --> 00:20:21,002 he stole from abolitionist Frederick Douglass. 391 00:20:21,872 --> 00:20:23,091 "We are the ship..." 392 00:20:23,265 --> 00:20:24,788 - "...and all else..." - "...the sea." 393 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:28,618 Bob K: Yeah, he was serving notice 394 00:20:28,792 --> 00:20:30,185 to Major League Baseball 395 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,405 that a new player had arrived on the scene 396 00:20:32,579 --> 00:20:33,797 to be reckoned with. 397 00:20:44,721 --> 00:20:46,288 Bob M: When it came to promoting a game, 398 00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:49,160 no one did it better than the Negro Leagues. 399 00:20:49,726 --> 00:20:51,989 Window placards, newspaper advertisements, 400 00:20:52,338 --> 00:20:53,817 and word-of-mouth were in the works, 401 00:20:53,991 --> 00:20:56,080 well in advance for most games. 402 00:20:57,299 --> 00:20:59,910 Sometimes I spent the ten cents to buy a ticket. 403 00:21:00,650 --> 00:21:02,739 Other times, I'd peer through the knotholes 404 00:21:02,913 --> 00:21:05,176 in the wooden fence outside the stadium. 405 00:21:08,179 --> 00:21:10,965 Pitchers zipped balls with such speed across the plate 406 00:21:11,226 --> 00:21:12,880 that it was hard to follow the pitch. 407 00:21:13,968 --> 00:21:15,491 Batters stretched singles 408 00:21:15,665 --> 00:21:16,971 into doubles, and doubles into triples, 409 00:21:17,188 --> 00:21:18,451 with lightning speed. 410 00:21:19,539 --> 00:21:21,584 It was obvious the fans didn't want the celebration 411 00:21:21,758 --> 00:21:23,847 to end, and neither did I. 412 00:21:25,501 --> 00:21:28,591 Negro Leagues baseball was so popular 413 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:35,337 that Black churches would move their service time up an hour 414 00:21:36,164 --> 00:21:37,861 so fans could go to the game. 415 00:21:38,253 --> 00:21:41,648 If you know anything about the Black church, 416 00:21:42,039 --> 00:21:43,606 you don't mess with service time. 417 00:21:43,824 --> 00:21:45,652 But when the great Kansas City Monarchs are playing, 418 00:21:45,826 --> 00:21:47,480 any of those great Black teams, 419 00:21:47,828 --> 00:21:50,439 service time would move up to ten o'clock, 420 00:21:50,657 --> 00:21:53,529 and everybody filed out going to that 421 00:21:53,703 --> 00:21:56,140 Sunday doubleheader looking good. 422 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,621 When they went to baseball games, 423 00:21:58,795 --> 00:22:01,363 men would dress very sharply. 424 00:22:01,755 --> 00:22:05,628 Ladies wore dresses and big hats, beautiful hats, 425 00:22:06,194 --> 00:22:08,370 with flowers and whatnot on them. 426 00:22:08,849 --> 00:22:13,549 You would buy the fanciest clothing in the world. 427 00:22:14,811 --> 00:22:16,378 The age of the 20th century, 428 00:22:16,552 --> 00:22:18,946 the Harlem Renaissance, New Negro Renaissance, 429 00:22:19,207 --> 00:22:21,688 was the age of the rise of the Black professional. 430 00:22:21,862 --> 00:22:24,299 You know, you got a new kind of presentation 431 00:22:24,473 --> 00:22:25,953 of the Black professional musician. 432 00:22:26,127 --> 00:22:27,781 You got a new kind of presentation 433 00:22:28,042 --> 00:22:29,696 of the Black professional athlete 434 00:22:29,870 --> 00:22:31,045 with Negro League Baseball. 435 00:22:31,654 --> 00:22:34,875 These were professional men, sometimes women, 436 00:22:35,223 --> 00:22:38,052 who were doing something at a very, very high level 437 00:22:38,531 --> 00:22:40,054 and had a tremendous virtuosity. 438 00:22:40,271 --> 00:22:42,230 Any time you saw Black people doing something 439 00:22:42,404 --> 00:22:45,364 that was virtuosic, you always... You felt like, 440 00:22:45,538 --> 00:22:47,191 "Okay, I can go on 441 00:22:47,366 --> 00:22:48,845 and deal with the rest of my week... 442 00:22:49,019 --> 00:22:50,586 ...'cause I saw some Black people doing 443 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,240 something that's really excellent." 444 00:22:58,377 --> 00:23:00,770 That's a home run in the right field 445 00:23:00,944 --> 00:23:03,860 into the stands! First home run of the series! 446 00:23:06,036 --> 00:23:07,603 Meanwhile, 447 00:23:08,038 --> 00:23:10,650 White baseball will soon become a station-to-station game. 448 00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:15,916 You don't run. You don't steal. You don't bunt. No hit and run. 449 00:23:16,438 --> 00:23:18,658 You try to hit it out of the park. 450 00:23:19,398 --> 00:23:23,271 And I think that's a reflection of Babe Ruth's influence. 451 00:23:23,619 --> 00:23:25,491 But it's, in many ways, the antithesis 452 00:23:25,708 --> 00:23:27,231 of the Black game. 453 00:23:28,102 --> 00:23:30,104 Bob K: If a guy went into the hole, 454 00:23:30,539 --> 00:23:33,412 flipped it behind his back, start the double play... 455 00:23:35,109 --> 00:23:37,241 well, we see that now every night of the week 456 00:23:37,416 --> 00:23:40,549 as a top-ten highlight on some network. 457 00:23:42,421 --> 00:23:44,510 Back then, the Major Leaguers would say 458 00:23:44,684 --> 00:23:46,599 that they were "showboating." 459 00:23:47,556 --> 00:23:49,732 But what the Major Leaguers were trying to say then 460 00:23:49,906 --> 00:23:51,255 that the Negro Leagues didn't play the game 461 00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:52,648 the right way. 462 00:23:53,301 --> 00:23:56,826 But really that was a code word to say they didn't play the game 463 00:23:57,044 --> 00:23:58,306 the White way. 464 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,836 But still, it was a fabulous time 465 00:24:07,228 --> 00:24:08,838 for Black men in baseball 466 00:24:09,012 --> 00:24:11,450 because coming out of World War I, 467 00:24:11,624 --> 00:24:14,365 there were lots of people who were looking 468 00:24:14,844 --> 00:24:16,672 for that equality, but now they have 469 00:24:16,846 --> 00:24:18,326 their own league. How about that? 470 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,070 So once Rube Foster organizes the Negro National League, 471 00:24:23,462 --> 00:24:26,595 other people start to see that, "Hey, there's a possibility." 472 00:24:27,248 --> 00:24:29,032 1923 rolls around. 473 00:24:29,206 --> 00:24:31,687 There's a guy in Philadelphia by the name of Ed Bolden, 474 00:24:32,209 --> 00:24:34,168 and he'd worked for the post office for years. 475 00:24:34,342 --> 00:24:36,823 He was the owner of the Hilldale team. 476 00:24:37,127 --> 00:24:38,868 He sees the writing on the wall, 477 00:24:39,042 --> 00:24:43,394 that Rube Foster's influence is headed towards the East. 478 00:24:43,786 --> 00:24:45,571 So Ed Bolden gets 479 00:24:45,745 --> 00:24:48,225 all of the Eastern teams together, 480 00:24:48,399 --> 00:24:49,879 and they have a big meeting, and they form 481 00:24:50,053 --> 00:24:52,534 the Eastern Colored League in 1923. 482 00:24:55,015 --> 00:24:57,060 With the creation of the Eastern Colored League 483 00:24:57,234 --> 00:24:59,585 on the East Coast, the Negro National League, 484 00:24:59,759 --> 00:25:01,543 that was primarily based in the Midwest, 485 00:25:01,848 --> 00:25:03,458 has a competitive league 486 00:25:03,632 --> 00:25:05,721 that now they can stage a World Series against. 487 00:25:07,114 --> 00:25:10,378 So in 1924, the Kansas City Monarchs 488 00:25:10,552 --> 00:25:13,424 of the Negro National League played the Hilldale Daisies 489 00:25:13,599 --> 00:25:15,122 of the Eastern Colored League 490 00:25:15,296 --> 00:25:17,037 in the very first Colored World Series. 491 00:25:17,951 --> 00:25:21,432 The World Series in 1924 was the best of nine, 492 00:25:21,998 --> 00:25:23,609 not seven like it is today. 493 00:25:24,740 --> 00:25:26,699 It turned out to be a great series. 494 00:25:27,047 --> 00:25:28,744 Series is tied up four games each. 495 00:25:28,918 --> 00:25:30,050 We're in Chicago now, 496 00:25:30,224 --> 00:25:31,486 the weather is in the mid-fifties. 497 00:25:31,965 --> 00:25:34,576 José Méndez has a cold, and Rube Foster says, 498 00:25:34,750 --> 00:25:36,099 "You have to pitch this game." 499 00:25:36,447 --> 00:25:38,493 Hilldale comes out with Script Lee. 500 00:25:38,667 --> 00:25:40,364 Script Lee is a submarine pitcher. 501 00:25:41,104 --> 00:25:42,671 The Hilldale pitcher had everything 502 00:25:42,932 --> 00:25:45,108 a pitcher could ask for in the first seven innings. 503 00:25:46,414 --> 00:25:49,025 During that time, only one man reached first. 504 00:25:49,591 --> 00:25:50,897 Then came the eighth. 505 00:25:51,550 --> 00:25:54,030 But he runs out of gas and he starts to pitch overhand. 506 00:25:54,204 --> 00:25:55,989 The bases were full. 507 00:25:56,206 --> 00:25:58,731 Allen looked over the ball, then singled to right scoring. 508 00:25:58,905 --> 00:26:00,646 Duncan slid into home plate... 509 00:26:00,820 --> 00:26:03,083 ...half a second ahead of Riggs' throw to Santop. 510 00:26:03,344 --> 00:26:04,954 Monarchs score five runs 511 00:26:05,302 --> 00:26:09,263 and José Méndez, on three hits, shuts out the Hilldale Club, 512 00:26:09,872 --> 00:26:12,483 and the Monarchs take the most dramatic World Series 513 00:26:12,658 --> 00:26:13,789 ever played. 514 00:26:18,925 --> 00:26:21,667 It really kind of established Black baseball. 515 00:26:21,841 --> 00:26:24,539 It was saying to White baseball, "Look, we're the same. 516 00:26:24,713 --> 00:26:27,673 We have the same end of the year championship series, 517 00:26:27,847 --> 00:26:29,283 the same way you do. 518 00:26:29,457 --> 00:26:30,937 We've got our two separate leagues, 519 00:26:31,111 --> 00:26:32,634 like the National and American League, 520 00:26:32,808 --> 00:26:35,115 the same way you do." And that was important. 521 00:26:35,289 --> 00:26:39,423 As much as Rube Foster and other executives wanted to, 522 00:26:39,598 --> 00:26:41,904 you know, get into baseball, and have successful teams, 523 00:26:42,078 --> 00:26:43,645 so they could make their own money 524 00:26:43,819 --> 00:26:45,734 and so that they could do this incredible thing for 525 00:26:45,908 --> 00:26:47,301 and within the Black community. 526 00:26:47,475 --> 00:26:50,086 There was also this constant effort 527 00:26:50,434 --> 00:26:53,350 to show White baseball that Black baseball 528 00:26:53,524 --> 00:26:55,788 was good enough, with the hopes that, ultimately, 529 00:26:56,005 --> 00:26:58,617 Black baseball could become one with White baseball, 530 00:26:58,791 --> 00:26:59,792 that they could join forces. 531 00:27:01,141 --> 00:27:02,838 Bob K: And Rube's initial vision 532 00:27:03,099 --> 00:27:06,712 was that he would create a league that was so dynamic, 533 00:27:07,103 --> 00:27:10,933 that he would force Major League Baseball's hand to expand. 534 00:27:11,586 --> 00:27:15,155 So if we were looking at it in a more modern-day context, 535 00:27:16,025 --> 00:27:19,899 think football with the NFL and the AFL merger, 536 00:27:20,116 --> 00:27:22,075 or for those who are basketball fans, 537 00:27:22,249 --> 00:27:24,817 the merger of the NBA and the ABA. 538 00:27:25,208 --> 00:27:28,647 Now, this was Rube Foster in the 1920s. 539 00:27:28,864 --> 00:27:32,651 That's how forward-thinking and how much a visionary 540 00:27:32,825 --> 00:27:34,391 this man was. 541 00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:41,747 Well, Rube Foster was in Indianapolis for a game 542 00:27:41,921 --> 00:27:44,401 in May of 1925, 543 00:27:45,185 --> 00:27:46,926 and unfortunately, he was subjected 544 00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:51,278 to carbon monoxide poisoning from a leaky gas heater. 545 00:27:51,974 --> 00:27:54,020 Oh, he was rescued by his teammates 546 00:27:54,194 --> 00:27:57,240 who came to his room to deliver a telegram. 547 00:27:57,937 --> 00:28:01,810 Some newspaper accounts said he was in serious condition. 548 00:28:02,506 --> 00:28:03,899 He was rushed to the hospital. 549 00:28:04,204 --> 00:28:06,641 I don't think he ever fully recovered. 550 00:28:06,815 --> 00:28:09,339 By September of the following year, in 1926, 551 00:28:09,513 --> 00:28:11,646 he was admitted to a sanitarium. 552 00:28:36,105 --> 00:28:40,066 Rube Foster died on December the 9th, 1930. 553 00:28:42,111 --> 00:28:44,592 Bob K: And Rube Foster, when he dies, 554 00:28:45,332 --> 00:28:48,509 the fans of Chicago lined the streets for three days 555 00:28:49,031 --> 00:28:52,121 to pay their respect to their beloved Rube Foster. 556 00:28:53,601 --> 00:28:55,429 Thousands of people came from afar 557 00:28:55,603 --> 00:28:57,561 to celebrate this great legend. 558 00:28:58,606 --> 00:29:00,651 Rube Foster's death was a great loss 559 00:29:00,956 --> 00:29:02,741 to baseball and Black America. 560 00:29:04,307 --> 00:29:06,527 And the Negro National League 561 00:29:06,701 --> 00:29:08,442 began to struggle. 562 00:29:08,921 --> 00:29:11,750 And then, of course, not only do they lose Foster, 563 00:29:11,924 --> 00:29:13,534 the Great Depression hits. 564 00:29:13,752 --> 00:29:16,232 And so the combination, I think, of the two of those things 565 00:29:16,406 --> 00:29:17,843 really brings about the demise 566 00:29:18,017 --> 00:29:19,583 of that first Negro National League. 567 00:29:30,246 --> 00:29:32,031 As bad as the Great Depression was 568 00:29:32,205 --> 00:29:35,121 for most White Americans, it was a heck of a lot worse 569 00:29:35,338 --> 00:29:36,818 for Black Americans. 570 00:29:38,037 --> 00:29:40,604 When it comes to Blacks, it's the old phrase, 571 00:29:40,779 --> 00:29:43,172 "Last hired, first fired." 572 00:29:43,346 --> 00:29:44,739 That's what faced Blacks. 573 00:29:45,609 --> 00:29:48,221 So the Black community, which had enjoyed 574 00:29:48,395 --> 00:29:52,486 a certain measure of economic success in the '20s, 575 00:29:52,660 --> 00:29:55,402 is once again facing hard times. 576 00:29:57,752 --> 00:30:00,537 And that was a bad time for this country for, 577 00:30:00,711 --> 00:30:02,148 not only the Blacks, 578 00:30:02,583 --> 00:30:05,020 but for the majority of poor people. It was bad. 579 00:30:05,325 --> 00:30:07,675 I know. They could come to a baseball game, 580 00:30:07,849 --> 00:30:09,242 forget about all their woes. 581 00:30:09,808 --> 00:30:12,201 And I was just as proud of making them happy. 582 00:30:12,375 --> 00:30:13,550 And when I'd come in, 583 00:30:13,724 --> 00:30:15,204 you'd think I had a million dollars. 584 00:30:15,683 --> 00:30:17,859 That's how much baseball meant to them. 585 00:30:22,516 --> 00:30:24,213 Bob M: All I wanted to do was talk baseball. 586 00:30:26,302 --> 00:30:27,869 Bob M: The older folks who hung out at the barbershops 587 00:30:28,043 --> 00:30:29,610 were more than happy to share their wisdom with me. 588 00:30:30,350 --> 00:30:33,222 Stories of seeing greats like Oscar Charleston, 589 00:30:33,570 --> 00:30:35,877 "Cool Papa" Bell, and Josh Gibson. 590 00:30:36,486 --> 00:30:38,662 And legendary teams like the Pittsburgh Crawfords 591 00:30:38,837 --> 00:30:42,014 and Homestead Grays rolled out of the mouths of old men 592 00:30:42,188 --> 00:30:44,712 as if they knew each player personally. 593 00:30:46,714 --> 00:30:49,021 Back in the '30s, Pittsburgh becomes 594 00:30:49,195 --> 00:30:51,458 the crossroads of Black baseball in America. 595 00:30:52,241 --> 00:30:55,679 It wasn't the largest Black community by far, 596 00:30:56,332 --> 00:30:58,639 but it was situated geographically 597 00:30:59,161 --> 00:31:00,989 on the East-West rail lines, 598 00:31:01,511 --> 00:31:03,774 which meant that any Black intellectual, 599 00:31:03,992 --> 00:31:08,475 politician, figure of note, or ballclub that's traveling 600 00:31:08,649 --> 00:31:10,956 from New York to Chicago, or anywhere else, 601 00:31:11,130 --> 00:31:13,045 is going to stop and play in Pittsburgh. 602 00:31:13,697 --> 00:31:18,354 Pittsburgh becomes the home to, along with the Chicago Defender, 603 00:31:18,572 --> 00:31:21,662 the most influential Black newspaper in the country, 604 00:31:21,923 --> 00:31:23,533 the Pittsburgh Courier. 605 00:31:23,707 --> 00:31:25,971 Some of the greatest jazz musicians of the era 606 00:31:26,536 --> 00:31:28,930 made their fortunes in Pittsburgh. 607 00:31:29,148 --> 00:31:30,801 And in the world of sports, 608 00:31:30,976 --> 00:31:33,195 you have clearly the two greatest 609 00:31:33,369 --> 00:31:35,806 Negro League dynasties of the 1930s... 610 00:31:37,156 --> 00:31:39,549 the Homestead Grays and the Pittsburgh Crawfords. 611 00:31:39,767 --> 00:31:42,074 And those teams had two owners, 612 00:31:42,291 --> 00:31:44,076 who were both intensely competitive, 613 00:31:44,424 --> 00:31:48,123 Gus Greenlee and Cumberland Posey Jr. 614 00:31:48,645 --> 00:31:50,430 They were men of different temperaments. 615 00:31:50,821 --> 00:31:52,301 They had different styles. 616 00:31:52,475 --> 00:31:55,565 I think they knew that their rivalry was something 617 00:31:55,739 --> 00:31:57,089 that was good for both of them 618 00:31:57,263 --> 00:31:59,308 and good for Black baseball as a whole. 619 00:32:05,619 --> 00:32:07,751 Cum Posey, who lived a block and a half from me, 620 00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:10,580 was a great basketball player at Penn State. 621 00:32:11,103 --> 00:32:12,887 His father was a fairly well-to-do man, 622 00:32:13,061 --> 00:32:14,628 and so he had the time. 623 00:32:14,802 --> 00:32:18,197 Most Black kids in those days had worked after school 624 00:32:18,371 --> 00:32:19,938 and on Saturdays and Sundays... 625 00:32:20,982 --> 00:32:22,766 to supplement your family's income. 626 00:32:22,941 --> 00:32:26,945 But Cum had the time to deal with a hobby. 627 00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:30,252 And he took some of these Black baseball players 628 00:32:30,426 --> 00:32:32,167 and made up a team. 629 00:32:33,908 --> 00:32:36,302 It was just a great experience 630 00:32:36,519 --> 00:32:37,868 to have been in Homestead 631 00:32:38,043 --> 00:32:41,089 at that time and tied in with that great ballclub 632 00:32:41,263 --> 00:32:42,656 called the Homestead Grays. 633 00:32:45,311 --> 00:32:48,792 Bob K: In 1931, Cumberland Posey introduces the world 634 00:32:48,967 --> 00:32:50,620 to a young phenom 635 00:32:50,881 --> 00:32:52,883 by the name of Joshua Gibson. 636 00:32:53,145 --> 00:32:57,845 ♪ Before ol' Henry Aaron Before ol' Willie Mays ♪ 637 00:32:58,019 --> 00:33:00,195 ♪ A brown-skin man Hit homers ♪ 638 00:33:00,369 --> 00:33:02,850 ♪ Over every wall They raised... ♪ 639 00:33:03,068 --> 00:33:04,983 He was one of the few people... 640 00:33:06,114 --> 00:33:07,333 that was as good 641 00:33:08,116 --> 00:33:10,989 the first year as he was the last year he played. 642 00:33:11,163 --> 00:33:13,034 He was actually a natural. 643 00:33:13,208 --> 00:33:16,820 ♪ Ooh, Josh Gibson... ♪ 644 00:33:19,998 --> 00:33:22,609 Joshua Gibson came North in the Great Migration 645 00:33:22,783 --> 00:33:24,132 after World War I. 646 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,308 His father, Mark, left sharecropping 647 00:33:26,482 --> 00:33:28,571 to become a steelworker in Pittsburgh. 648 00:33:29,181 --> 00:33:31,313 Josh left school after the ninth grade 649 00:33:31,487 --> 00:33:33,011 and then was discovered 650 00:33:33,185 --> 00:33:37,058 on the sandlots when Gibson was about 16 years old. 651 00:33:37,363 --> 00:33:40,627 I saw a young man playing, very muscular, 652 00:33:40,801 --> 00:33:42,324 very young. 653 00:33:42,629 --> 00:33:43,891 Near the end of the game, he hit a home run 654 00:33:44,065 --> 00:33:45,849 and he hit the ball out of existence, 655 00:33:46,024 --> 00:33:47,677 it looked like. They didn't even go after it. 656 00:33:47,851 --> 00:33:49,244 It went up over a mountain. 657 00:33:49,636 --> 00:33:52,073 And from that day on, they just loved Josh, all of 'em. 658 00:33:52,943 --> 00:33:55,729 Josh was not pretentious. He was amiable, 659 00:33:55,903 --> 00:33:58,819 and he treated everybody the same, and he could play. 660 00:33:59,602 --> 00:34:02,257 And you knew if you had Josh in the lineup, 661 00:34:02,431 --> 00:34:03,954 you were going to be a winning club. 662 00:34:04,216 --> 00:34:05,782 Perhaps a championship club. 663 00:34:05,956 --> 00:34:08,785 ♪ Ooh, Josh Gibson ♪ 664 00:34:14,704 --> 00:34:16,402 Josh Gibson made a name for himself 665 00:34:16,576 --> 00:34:17,751 with the Homestead Grays. 666 00:34:18,795 --> 00:34:22,451 When we look at his numbers, his home run at-bat ratio 667 00:34:23,148 --> 00:34:26,107 is between Hank Aaron and Barry Bonds. 668 00:34:26,542 --> 00:34:28,588 We're looking at a Gibson home run 669 00:34:28,762 --> 00:34:30,590 every 14 times at bat. 670 00:34:31,982 --> 00:34:33,332 He always led 671 00:34:33,506 --> 00:34:35,160 every league that he ever played in, 672 00:34:35,334 --> 00:34:36,509 in batting average. 673 00:34:36,857 --> 00:34:40,600 He might go, you know, get eight for ten, 674 00:34:40,774 --> 00:34:43,994 you know, a 13 for 15. You know, like that. 675 00:34:44,473 --> 00:34:45,692 Yeah. He was tough to get out. 676 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,520 Griffith Stadium, 677 00:34:47,737 --> 00:34:49,478 there was 405 feet down the left of the line 678 00:34:49,652 --> 00:34:52,002 and behind that, there was a scoreboard 679 00:34:52,481 --> 00:34:54,788 that had a big hotdog on it with mustard on it. 680 00:34:55,528 --> 00:34:58,531 And Josh hit the ball over the 400 feet, 681 00:34:58,705 --> 00:35:00,185 up over the back above the stands, 682 00:35:00,359 --> 00:35:02,012 and hit that advertisement board 683 00:35:02,709 --> 00:35:04,232 and peeled the paper right off it. 684 00:35:04,406 --> 00:35:05,973 So we used to tease and say that he knocked 685 00:35:06,147 --> 00:35:07,366 the mustard off the hotdog. 686 00:35:07,801 --> 00:35:09,237 I remember one time 687 00:35:09,411 --> 00:35:11,196 I was walking up the ramp with Josh, 688 00:35:11,718 --> 00:35:14,199 and one little kid ran up, said, "Mr. Gibson, Mr. Gibson, 689 00:35:14,373 --> 00:35:16,375 will you give me one of your broken bats?" 690 00:35:16,549 --> 00:35:17,854 Josh says, 691 00:35:18,159 --> 00:35:20,596 "Son, I don't break bats. I wear them out." 692 00:35:21,684 --> 00:35:25,340 Now, that Josh Gibson, he was the type of person 693 00:35:25,601 --> 00:35:27,690 that just liked everybody. 694 00:35:28,604 --> 00:35:31,912 And always with a smile, like a big overgrown kid. 695 00:35:33,087 --> 00:35:37,483 If I step on the bus, he'd say, "Why, oh, my, Ms. Posey." 696 00:35:37,657 --> 00:35:40,486 And he'd run and he'd almost pick me up 697 00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:42,401 and put me in the bus and everything 698 00:35:42,575 --> 00:35:44,098 he'd see that I had there and say. 699 00:35:44,272 --> 00:35:46,535 And the first thing he'd say to the boys is... 700 00:35:47,580 --> 00:35:48,624 And that was it. 701 00:35:51,149 --> 00:35:52,802 Bob K: Cumberland Posey, 702 00:35:52,976 --> 00:35:56,371 of course, had built the great Homestead Grays, 703 00:35:57,111 --> 00:36:01,420 and Cumberland Posey had financial wherewithal. 704 00:36:01,985 --> 00:36:04,031 And so he was able to pluck 705 00:36:04,205 --> 00:36:07,817 star players away from other Black baseball teams. 706 00:36:08,166 --> 00:36:10,559 And he would do that with regularity. 707 00:36:11,734 --> 00:36:13,649 And then here comes Gus Greenlee. 708 00:36:14,172 --> 00:36:18,263 Gus Greenlee would build the great Pittsburgh Crawfords, 709 00:36:18,785 --> 00:36:23,050 as now a rival to Cumberland Posey's Homestead Grays. 710 00:36:24,269 --> 00:36:25,879 He was in a lot of businesses. 711 00:36:26,184 --> 00:36:30,188 He ran a very popular restaurant called Crawford Grill, 712 00:36:30,536 --> 00:36:32,886 and he was the leading entrepreneur 713 00:36:33,060 --> 00:36:35,280 in the Black numbers gambling business. 714 00:36:36,194 --> 00:36:37,543 Well, the numbers, essentially, 715 00:36:37,717 --> 00:36:39,414 were what we now know as the lottery. 716 00:36:40,154 --> 00:36:41,808 They would base the winning number 717 00:36:41,982 --> 00:36:45,028 usually on a number in the stock tables that day, 718 00:36:45,507 --> 00:36:47,988 and every day, everybody played the numbers. 719 00:36:48,162 --> 00:36:49,468 My grandmother... 720 00:36:49,642 --> 00:36:51,209 ...who, you know, and my grandparents 721 00:36:51,383 --> 00:36:53,994 who ran a funeral home, played the numbers every day. 722 00:36:55,256 --> 00:36:58,303 Gus Greenlee was as fine a man as you would want to know. 723 00:36:58,477 --> 00:37:01,871 And I found that Gus would do anything for anybody 724 00:37:02,045 --> 00:37:03,699 who was a friend of his. 725 00:37:04,526 --> 00:37:07,007 If he didn't even know them, and they got in trouble, 726 00:37:07,964 --> 00:37:10,010 if there was anything he could do to help them 727 00:37:10,184 --> 00:37:12,230 out of trouble, he would do it. 728 00:37:15,407 --> 00:37:16,712 Gus Greenlee was approached 729 00:37:16,886 --> 00:37:18,366 by a couple members 730 00:37:18,540 --> 00:37:20,455 of the Pittsburgh Crawfords baseball team, 731 00:37:20,629 --> 00:37:23,502 and at the time they were like a semi-pro sandlot team 732 00:37:23,676 --> 00:37:25,417 and, you know, said that they needed money, 733 00:37:25,591 --> 00:37:29,072 they needed an investor. And Gus jumped in headfirst. 734 00:37:30,726 --> 00:37:32,162 When he took the ball team, 735 00:37:32,598 --> 00:37:36,602 he let us know that when he took it that he was going to the top 736 00:37:36,776 --> 00:37:39,126 and he's gonna do and get the best he could. 737 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,739 I think his top motivation was he looked across town 738 00:37:43,913 --> 00:37:46,742 and he saw Cum Posey, the son of the biggest 739 00:37:46,916 --> 00:37:49,919 and wealthiest Black family in town, and said, 740 00:37:50,093 --> 00:37:52,748 "If I can build the Crawfords into a team 741 00:37:53,096 --> 00:37:54,794 that can beat the Grays, 742 00:37:55,273 --> 00:37:56,970 I'll be the top man in Pittsburgh." 743 00:37:57,971 --> 00:37:59,886 Bob K: He did to Cumberland Posey, 744 00:38:00,147 --> 00:38:02,628 what Posey had done to other teams. 745 00:38:02,802 --> 00:38:06,632 He outbidded Cumberland Posey for his star players. 746 00:38:06,806 --> 00:38:08,416 He convinces Oscar Charleston 747 00:38:08,590 --> 00:38:11,201 to cross town and join the Crawfords. 748 00:38:11,463 --> 00:38:13,073 Then he sets his sight on Josh Gibson. 749 00:38:14,466 --> 00:38:18,774 So now, Josh Gibson is playing for the Crawfords. 750 00:38:19,732 --> 00:38:21,821 And so he steals every good player 751 00:38:21,995 --> 00:38:24,563 that Cumberland Posey ever developed. 752 00:38:25,128 --> 00:38:27,870 But then the Crawfords are able to pick up Satchel Paige. 753 00:38:32,788 --> 00:38:36,139 I just could pitch and then the master just give me 754 00:38:36,314 --> 00:38:39,839 a home. And you just... It was hard to beat me. 755 00:38:40,013 --> 00:38:41,319 You couldn't ought to beat me. 756 00:38:42,885 --> 00:38:46,628 I did some things in baseball I've never seen anyone else do, 757 00:38:46,802 --> 00:38:48,369 and I didn't know what I was doing 758 00:38:48,543 --> 00:38:50,719 one half of the time. But still, I did it. 759 00:38:52,025 --> 00:38:55,071 Satchel Paige is born in Mobile, Alabama. 760 00:38:55,333 --> 00:38:56,638 He's dirt poor. 761 00:38:56,943 --> 00:39:00,729 He has to go out and hunt game with rocks, 762 00:39:00,903 --> 00:39:02,862 and he gets his name, Satchel 763 00:39:03,253 --> 00:39:06,866 because later on, after he's nine or older, 764 00:39:07,257 --> 00:39:10,435 he's able to work at the railroad depot 765 00:39:10,696 --> 00:39:13,960 carrying bags, luggage, satchels. 766 00:39:14,308 --> 00:39:15,570 He learned how to pitch 767 00:39:15,744 --> 00:39:18,573 at the Mount Meigs Reform school. 768 00:39:19,313 --> 00:39:21,881 And so, after that, he comes out of there 769 00:39:22,055 --> 00:39:25,188 and begins his climb to baseball fame. 770 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,017 A fellow by the name of Bill Gatewood, 771 00:39:28,191 --> 00:39:31,151 I just love the way he went, the way he pitched. 772 00:39:31,456 --> 00:39:34,241 He said, "You know the thing is, if you listen to me, 773 00:39:34,981 --> 00:39:36,983 I'll make you one of the greatest pitchers 774 00:39:37,462 --> 00:39:38,376 in the world." 775 00:39:39,202 --> 00:39:40,900 He said, "Because you love to play, 776 00:39:41,074 --> 00:39:42,380 you love the game, 777 00:39:42,771 --> 00:39:44,599 and you try to do what I tell you." 778 00:39:44,773 --> 00:39:46,209 He says, "You see all the fellas out there?" 779 00:39:46,514 --> 00:39:49,299 He says, "I have the devil with them 780 00:39:49,735 --> 00:39:51,476 trying to make them practice." 781 00:39:51,911 --> 00:39:54,217 He said, "You practice without me asking you." 782 00:39:55,915 --> 00:39:57,525 So he was gonna help me. 783 00:39:57,873 --> 00:39:59,614 But now, as far as me saying, 784 00:39:59,788 --> 00:40:01,573 "I am the greatest pitcher in the world." 785 00:40:02,095 --> 00:40:04,402 I didn't say that. It's other people saying it. 786 00:40:06,926 --> 00:40:08,928 Bob M: Once I became an umpire in the leagues, 787 00:40:09,102 --> 00:40:11,974 I finally got my shot to go behind the plate 788 00:40:12,148 --> 00:40:15,064 and call balls and strikes for the legend. 789 00:40:15,848 --> 00:40:18,372 I had never seen a ball move the way it did. 790 00:40:19,112 --> 00:40:21,854 I was stunned, and so was the batter. 791 00:40:22,028 --> 00:40:25,423 Satchel throw balls that looked small, 792 00:40:25,597 --> 00:40:27,903 throw the small ball, which is true. 793 00:40:28,077 --> 00:40:29,296 It'd be turning so fast, 794 00:40:29,470 --> 00:40:31,037 it looks smaller than the regular ball. 795 00:40:31,429 --> 00:40:34,649 "Prince" Joe: I weakly grounded a ball back to him 796 00:40:34,823 --> 00:40:37,043 and I felt like I'd hit a home run. 797 00:40:37,609 --> 00:40:40,002 Just to know that I had made contact with the ball. 798 00:40:40,916 --> 00:40:43,049 Satchel Paige is, without a doubt, 799 00:40:43,266 --> 00:40:45,530 the greatest pitcher in Black baseball history. 800 00:40:45,921 --> 00:40:50,230 We can now show Satchel Paige's strikeout rate per inning 801 00:40:50,404 --> 00:40:52,537 is very similar to Nolan Ryan's. 802 00:40:52,711 --> 00:40:54,277 Bob F: He would be one of the top five 803 00:40:54,452 --> 00:40:56,149 or ten pitchers in baseball history 804 00:40:56,323 --> 00:40:58,238 if he'd been in the big leagues throughout his career. 805 00:40:58,412 --> 00:41:00,588 But I saw him pitch and he threw 806 00:41:00,762 --> 00:41:04,026 with very little effort whatsoever. And the hitters say, 807 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:05,767 "Well, you can't throw the next one by me." 808 00:41:05,941 --> 00:41:07,290 Boom. There it goes. 809 00:41:07,595 --> 00:41:09,162 And, well, you're not going to get that one by me. 810 00:41:09,336 --> 00:41:10,685 Oop, oop! There it goes. 811 00:41:11,991 --> 00:41:15,124 He went out on that mound and he looked up at the crowd. 812 00:41:16,212 --> 00:41:18,606 He said, "Duty, the sun is shining, 813 00:41:18,780 --> 00:41:21,043 but I'm gonna make them think it's nighttime." 814 00:41:21,304 --> 00:41:24,699 He struck out 21 of the 28 men he faced. 815 00:41:25,091 --> 00:41:26,919 We knew when we saw Satchel Paige pitch, 816 00:41:27,093 --> 00:41:29,008 when I saw Satchel Paige and Satch could call in 817 00:41:29,182 --> 00:41:32,011 the whole team and strike everybody out. 818 00:41:32,881 --> 00:41:35,144 You know, I saw that. He'd call them all in. 819 00:41:35,623 --> 00:41:40,498 Here he is, seven of us, kneeling around the mound. 820 00:41:41,107 --> 00:41:44,589 He threw nine pitches, and the side was out. 821 00:41:45,459 --> 00:41:48,244 When he was in the backyard, he just did amazing things. 822 00:41:48,462 --> 00:41:49,855 Like he'd say, "Look at that. 823 00:41:50,595 --> 00:41:52,858 Look at that berry hanging over there on the bush. 824 00:41:53,032 --> 00:41:55,948 I bet I can hit it." And I'd say, "No you can't." 825 00:41:56,122 --> 00:41:58,341 And he would pick up something and... 826 00:41:58,516 --> 00:42:00,126 ...hit it and I would say, 827 00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:03,129 "Oh, wow!" You know, that's what little children do. 828 00:42:03,303 --> 00:42:06,393 They don't think, well, it was 55 feet away 829 00:42:06,567 --> 00:42:08,264 and it was the size of a quarter. 830 00:42:08,613 --> 00:42:10,615 You would have to be a heck of a shot to make it. 831 00:42:12,834 --> 00:42:15,271 Before Gus Greenlee hired Satchel, 832 00:42:15,533 --> 00:42:18,057 the initial Negro League, 833 00:42:18,231 --> 00:42:19,972 which was formed by Rube Foster, 834 00:42:20,146 --> 00:42:22,801 had essentially fallen apart. 835 00:42:22,975 --> 00:42:27,109 So in 1933, Greenlee and some others found 836 00:42:27,283 --> 00:42:29,329 the second Negro National League. 837 00:42:31,244 --> 00:42:33,681 So they became the Negro National League. 838 00:42:33,855 --> 00:42:39,034 But now it's all Eastern teams. And in 1937, the Western teams 839 00:42:39,208 --> 00:42:41,820 organized the Negro American League. 840 00:42:42,342 --> 00:42:44,257 And so, Gus Greenlee 841 00:42:44,431 --> 00:42:48,914 starts to bankroll a bunch of new... ideas. 842 00:42:49,088 --> 00:42:51,438 And one of those people 843 00:42:51,830 --> 00:42:53,222 talk about is the East-West game. 844 00:42:53,396 --> 00:42:56,008 And it was going to be the premier event. 845 00:42:56,530 --> 00:42:58,184 Gentleman Dave: They picked the best of the teams, 846 00:42:58,358 --> 00:43:00,142 players from the East 847 00:43:00,403 --> 00:43:02,405 and the best of the players from the West, 848 00:43:02,580 --> 00:43:04,973 and they rented Comiskey Park. 849 00:43:06,584 --> 00:43:13,068 We started playing in 1933. It was only 22,000 that year. 850 00:43:13,503 --> 00:43:16,855 From that day on, the crowd kept going and going, 851 00:43:17,551 --> 00:43:20,206 until the one time we had 70,000. 852 00:43:20,902 --> 00:43:22,904 People came from all over the country. 853 00:43:23,078 --> 00:43:26,516 You had all the entertainers come in, you got Count Basie, 854 00:43:26,691 --> 00:43:30,433 Duke Ellington, Lionel Hampton, Lena Horne was there. 855 00:43:30,651 --> 00:43:33,785 Anybody who was anybody was there at that game. 856 00:43:33,959 --> 00:43:36,788 ♪ Keep on swingin' Trying to get to second base ♪ 857 00:43:37,092 --> 00:43:39,268 Bob K: This was the crème de la crème 858 00:43:39,878 --> 00:43:40,835 of baseball. 859 00:43:41,662 --> 00:43:45,013 There's Satchel Paige. There's Hilton Smith, 860 00:43:45,187 --> 00:43:48,321 there's Josh Gibson, and Buck Leonard, Mule Suttles. 861 00:43:48,495 --> 00:43:51,324 All these great stars. They're all there. 862 00:43:52,368 --> 00:43:55,937 Oh, man, you're talking about a gala affair. A weekend. 863 00:43:56,329 --> 00:43:58,157 They start coming in by Thursday. 864 00:43:58,984 --> 00:44:00,463 Didn't leave until Monday morning. 865 00:44:01,682 --> 00:44:04,685 The real impact of the East-West Classic 866 00:44:04,859 --> 00:44:08,515 was that White sportswriters started to cover it, 867 00:44:09,037 --> 00:44:12,432 and once they did, some of them, for the very first time, 868 00:44:12,606 --> 00:44:15,565 saw a kind of baseball they had never seen before, 869 00:44:16,392 --> 00:44:18,003 where games were won... 870 00:44:18,177 --> 00:44:20,962 ...not just with hitting, but with base stealing, 871 00:44:21,397 --> 00:44:24,009 with these incredibly acrobatic catches 872 00:44:24,183 --> 00:44:27,403 in the outfield, with just a level of speed 873 00:44:27,839 --> 00:44:29,754 that they had never seen in baseball. 874 00:44:32,104 --> 00:44:34,280 And they started to write about that, 875 00:44:34,672 --> 00:44:40,634 and the appeal that could have for White fans, as well. 876 00:44:41,156 --> 00:44:44,290 So the East-West classic is having a big impact 877 00:44:44,464 --> 00:44:47,162 on the vision of the future for baseball. 878 00:44:49,774 --> 00:44:53,299 ♪ Well you may run on For a long time ♪ 879 00:44:53,473 --> 00:44:55,649 ♪ Run on for a long time ♪ 880 00:44:56,128 --> 00:44:59,087 ♪ Run on for a long time Let me tell you ♪ 881 00:44:59,261 --> 00:45:01,133 ♪ God Almighty Is gonna cut you down ♪ 882 00:45:01,307 --> 00:45:03,265 ♪ Go tell That long-tongued liar ♪ 883 00:45:03,657 --> 00:45:05,833 ♪ Go tell That midnight rider... ♪ 884 00:45:06,007 --> 00:45:08,053 Bob M: Before, during and after the season, 885 00:45:08,227 --> 00:45:10,142 teams would travel throughout the country 886 00:45:10,316 --> 00:45:13,319 and play in exhibition games to enhance their income. 887 00:45:14,059 --> 00:45:15,756 I was given the chance to go on the road 888 00:45:15,930 --> 00:45:16,975 with many different teams. 889 00:45:17,845 --> 00:45:19,804 We'd travel right after a game, 890 00:45:19,978 --> 00:45:24,504 sometimes driving all night long to get to our next destination. 891 00:45:24,678 --> 00:45:27,159 ♪ I thought I heard The shuffle of angels' feet... ♪ 892 00:45:27,637 --> 00:45:29,291 It's 11 or 12 o'clock at night, 893 00:45:29,465 --> 00:45:31,032 and you're just leaving a ballgame, 894 00:45:31,206 --> 00:45:34,253 and you're on a hike for 400 miles 895 00:45:34,427 --> 00:45:36,081 or more to the next stop. 896 00:45:36,255 --> 00:45:37,996 And you find ways, you know, to amuse yourself. 897 00:45:38,170 --> 00:45:39,606 And as you well know, 898 00:45:39,780 --> 00:45:41,608 singers have been a part of our culture. 899 00:45:41,782 --> 00:45:44,393 And they have their quartets, and you would hear one 900 00:45:44,567 --> 00:45:46,656 going down the road in the middle of the night 901 00:45:46,874 --> 00:45:48,484 and hear them singing. 902 00:45:48,746 --> 00:45:50,791 ♪ Run on for a long time Let me tell you ♪ 903 00:45:50,965 --> 00:45:52,837 ♪ God Almighty Is gonna cut you down... ♪ 904 00:45:53,011 --> 00:45:55,796 Barnstorming was a schedule that the teams 905 00:45:55,970 --> 00:45:58,364 would have playing different teams. 906 00:45:58,756 --> 00:46:01,323 They may play a league team one day, 907 00:46:01,497 --> 00:46:02,803 and then they'd play 908 00:46:02,977 --> 00:46:05,066 the local shoe factory the next day. 909 00:46:05,284 --> 00:46:06,546 And just playing, in most cases, 910 00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:07,895 as many games as they could play. 911 00:46:08,069 --> 00:46:09,244 I mean, it wasn't uncommon 912 00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:11,812 for a team to play three games in one day. 913 00:46:11,986 --> 00:46:13,509 When I was playing 914 00:46:13,683 --> 00:46:15,816 baseball with the Philadelphia Stars 915 00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:18,950 on 4th of July, we played four games. 916 00:46:19,124 --> 00:46:21,474 Play the game at ten o'clock in the morning, 917 00:46:21,648 --> 00:46:24,738 doubleheader in the afternoon, and then we'd get in the bus 918 00:46:24,912 --> 00:46:27,567 and ride over New York State and play that night. 919 00:46:27,785 --> 00:46:29,699 We played so many doubleheaders 920 00:46:29,874 --> 00:46:31,876 that when we had played one game, 921 00:46:32,050 --> 00:46:33,486 we'd call that an off day. 922 00:46:33,921 --> 00:46:36,228 They had to find a way to get money 923 00:46:36,402 --> 00:46:38,273 turning over all the time. 924 00:46:38,447 --> 00:46:42,060 Their system was to have a game every day. 925 00:46:42,321 --> 00:46:46,020 As long as they could play somewhere every day 926 00:46:46,368 --> 00:46:50,285 in order to keep those payrolls going to keep it afloat. 927 00:46:50,459 --> 00:46:51,983 ♪ That's all, brother You'll knock no more ♪ 928 00:46:52,157 --> 00:46:55,290 ♪ Well, run on For a long time ♪ 929 00:46:55,464 --> 00:46:56,857 We would get tired when riding. 930 00:46:57,858 --> 00:47:00,208 We would fuss like a bunch of chickens. 931 00:47:00,861 --> 00:47:03,777 But when you put the suit on, well, it was different. 932 00:47:04,038 --> 00:47:05,692 You just, you knew that was your job, 933 00:47:05,866 --> 00:47:07,650 and you just go to it. 934 00:47:07,825 --> 00:47:10,479 ♪ Tell the gambler Rambler, backbiter ♪ 935 00:47:10,740 --> 00:47:13,743 ♪ Tell 'em God Almighty Is gonna cut 'em down ♪ 936 00:47:15,789 --> 00:47:17,051 Bob M: Players kept their minds off their struggles 937 00:47:17,486 --> 00:47:19,793 playing cards and sharing stories. 938 00:47:20,533 --> 00:47:22,709 Of course, we'd always run into a few ignorant kooks 939 00:47:22,883 --> 00:47:24,363 who would call us names. 940 00:47:25,016 --> 00:47:27,583 In those moments, responding to racism, 941 00:47:27,932 --> 00:47:30,195 we weren't players, and umpires, and managers. 942 00:47:30,935 --> 00:47:32,110 We were brothers. 943 00:47:34,547 --> 00:47:36,636 They thought that the Homestead Grays... 944 00:47:37,767 --> 00:47:38,856 was a White team. 945 00:47:39,900 --> 00:47:43,512 So they had us booked into a very nice hotel. 946 00:47:43,904 --> 00:47:46,994 See, Posey was the traveling secretary, 947 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,258 and he was very fair skinned. 948 00:47:50,868 --> 00:47:52,782 So he went in, and he got the rooms 949 00:47:52,957 --> 00:47:54,132 and everything. 950 00:47:55,002 --> 00:47:57,787 So they started to unload the bus... 951 00:47:58,527 --> 00:48:01,095 ...and when the players got off, 952 00:48:01,269 --> 00:48:04,359 they said, "Oh, no, no, you can't stay here. 953 00:48:05,056 --> 00:48:07,058 This is a White hotel." 954 00:48:07,797 --> 00:48:09,756 Black hotels in the South, 955 00:48:09,930 --> 00:48:12,977 even in major cities like Birmingham, Memphis, 956 00:48:13,151 --> 00:48:15,936 New Orleans, and whatnot, they were very rare. 957 00:48:16,545 --> 00:48:22,116 And usually the ballplayers would find a rooming house, 958 00:48:22,290 --> 00:48:24,945 a Black rooming house in the town, 959 00:48:25,163 --> 00:48:26,773 and that was where they had to stay. 960 00:48:27,339 --> 00:48:28,818 I can remember a town 961 00:48:29,036 --> 00:48:33,040 where we put up in a rooming house in Arkansas. 962 00:48:33,475 --> 00:48:34,912 When you turn on the lights, 963 00:48:35,260 --> 00:48:38,611 you see the bedbugs start to go for cover. 964 00:48:39,046 --> 00:48:40,439 You have to sleep with the lights on 965 00:48:40,613 --> 00:48:41,788 because if you don't, 966 00:48:41,962 --> 00:48:43,398 those little gremlins would come out 967 00:48:43,572 --> 00:48:44,922 and you wouldn't get any sleep anyhow. 968 00:48:46,053 --> 00:48:47,446 Satchel Paige makes 969 00:48:47,620 --> 00:48:49,622 the point one of his first games. 970 00:48:49,796 --> 00:48:51,102 They arrived at the park 971 00:48:51,276 --> 00:48:52,842 and he said, "Oh, I'm really tired. 972 00:48:53,017 --> 00:48:55,976 I want to hurry up and get to bed and get some rest." 973 00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:59,153 And the manager said, "What bed? What do you mean, 974 00:48:59,327 --> 00:49:00,589 get to rest? 975 00:49:00,763 --> 00:49:02,678 We're staying here in the ballpark." 976 00:49:02,852 --> 00:49:05,768 I mean, you... you had to sleep on your suitcase 977 00:49:06,291 --> 00:49:07,770 in the ballpark. 978 00:49:08,771 --> 00:49:11,339 We didn't stop much because they wouldn't feed us 979 00:49:11,513 --> 00:49:12,645 in the restaurants. 980 00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:15,430 So we had to eat out of paper sacks 981 00:49:15,604 --> 00:49:17,084 and go in a grocery store. 982 00:49:17,302 --> 00:49:19,173 We got one dollar a day meal money, 983 00:49:19,826 --> 00:49:21,828 and we would buy one loaf of bread 984 00:49:22,568 --> 00:49:25,223 and we would buy a jar, a big jar of peanut butter. 985 00:49:26,615 --> 00:49:30,271 That's what we lived off of for three or four days. 986 00:49:30,837 --> 00:49:32,926 Peanut butter and bread. 987 00:49:34,101 --> 00:49:36,016 Sometimes I'd wonder, I'd talk. I'd say, 988 00:49:36,190 --> 00:49:38,453 "Well, how in the world do they expect you to play ball 989 00:49:38,714 --> 00:49:40,151 and you can't even eat?" 990 00:49:40,673 --> 00:49:42,501 You haven't had a bed to sleep in. 991 00:49:42,675 --> 00:49:44,068 You slept in a bus. 992 00:49:44,807 --> 00:49:48,115 It wasn't healthy. It wasn't comfortable at all. 993 00:49:49,595 --> 00:49:54,730 How they could play two and three games in two days 994 00:49:54,992 --> 00:49:56,906 is really a mystery. 995 00:50:00,214 --> 00:50:02,042 Bob M: On long bus rides, I had overheard 996 00:50:02,216 --> 00:50:03,696 Negro League players talk 997 00:50:03,870 --> 00:50:05,480 about their incredible experiences 998 00:50:05,654 --> 00:50:07,308 playing winter ball in the Caribbean. 999 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:09,963 The players said that a Black man 1000 00:50:10,137 --> 00:50:12,183 could just be a man and not have to worry 1001 00:50:12,357 --> 00:50:14,402 about paying the social consequences for it. 1002 00:50:16,274 --> 00:50:18,232 Bob M: It sounded about perfect to me. 1003 00:50:20,234 --> 00:50:21,583 First, I played in Puerto Rico, 1004 00:50:21,757 --> 00:50:24,064 then I played in Cuba, and then Mexico. 1005 00:50:24,499 --> 00:50:26,110 It was a wonderful place to play. 1006 00:50:26,545 --> 00:50:28,025 They give you a chance to go down there, 1007 00:50:28,199 --> 00:50:30,549 and the salaries were a little better. 1008 00:50:32,029 --> 00:50:33,508 The crowds were better. 1009 00:50:34,074 --> 00:50:36,250 The teams in those towns were the kings of the towns, 1010 00:50:36,424 --> 00:50:37,643 it was like high school. 1011 00:50:37,860 --> 00:50:39,079 You can say that 1012 00:50:39,253 --> 00:50:41,777 when the game was played on weekends 1013 00:50:42,213 --> 00:50:43,866 and the whole town was at the game. 1014 00:50:44,650 --> 00:50:48,654 Fans were more like football fans, you know, 1015 00:50:48,828 --> 00:50:52,049 "rah rah" cheering and hit a home run 1016 00:50:52,223 --> 00:50:55,008 you'd take your cap around and they'd put money in the cap. 1017 00:50:55,313 --> 00:50:58,055 And they had a company called Don Q Rum. 1018 00:50:58,403 --> 00:51:01,058 Every home run you hit, you'd get a case of Don Q Rum, 1019 00:51:01,232 --> 00:51:03,103 you know? So it was fun. 1020 00:51:06,019 --> 00:51:07,803 There little kids run behind you 1021 00:51:07,977 --> 00:51:11,024 and after the ball game, they want your autograph 1022 00:51:11,198 --> 00:51:14,332 and it makes you feel a part of something, 1023 00:51:14,506 --> 00:51:18,597 instead of being something separate unto itself. 1024 00:51:20,251 --> 00:51:22,079 But when you are out of your own country, 1025 00:51:22,514 --> 00:51:25,995 and you find everything so much better... 1026 00:51:27,258 --> 00:51:30,304 you know, it's a revelation in a way, 1027 00:51:30,478 --> 00:51:31,740 if you never experienced it. 1028 00:51:32,915 --> 00:51:36,136 But it's like heaven, you know? 1029 00:51:36,310 --> 00:51:38,530 I want to go back, you know, I got to go back there. 1030 00:51:38,704 --> 00:51:39,835 I got to go back there. 1031 00:51:42,664 --> 00:51:44,666 There was very little discrimination. 1032 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,016 So you felt, you know, free. 1033 00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,149 The fact that, you know, 1034 00:51:49,410 --> 00:51:51,151 you were accepted for your ability, 1035 00:51:51,325 --> 00:51:52,979 not from the color of your skin, 1036 00:51:53,545 --> 00:51:55,199 and that really made you feel great. 1037 00:51:59,551 --> 00:52:01,292 I think from the very beginning, 1038 00:52:01,596 --> 00:52:05,426 there was a sense of a kind of a solidarity or connection 1039 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,821 between Black players here and Latin players, 1040 00:52:08,995 --> 00:52:10,127 dark Latin players. 1041 00:52:10,518 --> 00:52:11,998 So in some ways, 1042 00:52:12,172 --> 00:52:14,783 baseball generated a kind of diaspora, 1043 00:52:14,957 --> 00:52:17,264 'cause these Black Latin players 1044 00:52:17,438 --> 00:52:19,136 could not play Major League Baseball either. 1045 00:52:19,310 --> 00:52:20,833 They had to play in the Negro Leagues 1046 00:52:21,007 --> 00:52:22,878 that they were playing in the United States. 1047 00:52:23,879 --> 00:52:27,056 And so Martín Dihigo and José Méndez, 1048 00:52:27,231 --> 00:52:29,189 Cristóbal Torriente, 1049 00:52:29,668 --> 00:52:32,888 the game was just full of Latino ballplayers. 1050 00:52:34,238 --> 00:52:36,762 Negro Leagues was a rainbow coalition 1051 00:52:37,545 --> 00:52:38,938 of players of color, 1052 00:52:39,330 --> 00:52:41,114 everything from chalk to charcoal. 1053 00:52:41,549 --> 00:52:42,942 That was the pigmentation 1054 00:52:43,116 --> 00:52:44,335 that played in the Negro Leagues. 1055 00:52:51,951 --> 00:52:54,649 News reporter: Millions enjoy a great year in American sports. 1056 00:52:54,823 --> 00:52:56,303 But Dizzy and Daffy Dean, 1057 00:52:56,477 --> 00:52:58,871 the Cardinal Ace's new national heroes. 1058 00:53:00,829 --> 00:53:03,354 Dizzy Dean pretty much saved baseball 1059 00:53:03,528 --> 00:53:04,833 during the Depression. 1060 00:53:05,225 --> 00:53:08,707 Babe Ruth was kind of fading out for the Depression 1934, 1061 00:53:08,968 --> 00:53:10,970 and him and his brother come in with the Cardinals. 1062 00:53:11,144 --> 00:53:12,537 They win the pennant, 1063 00:53:12,754 --> 00:53:14,147 and then they go to the World Series. 1064 00:53:14,321 --> 00:53:16,062 So they're like on top of the world. 1065 00:53:16,236 --> 00:53:19,457 And they could have gone home, but they were gonna barnstorm. 1066 00:53:19,674 --> 00:53:22,851 And so they played in that particular year, 1934. 1067 00:53:23,025 --> 00:53:25,463 They play six games against Kansas City Monarchs, 1068 00:53:25,767 --> 00:53:27,769 two against the Philadelphia Stars, 1069 00:53:28,030 --> 00:53:30,032 three against the Pittsburgh Crawfords, 1070 00:53:30,294 --> 00:53:32,383 and two against the New York Black Yankees. 1071 00:53:32,557 --> 00:53:34,298 And they tour all the way across the country. 1072 00:53:36,256 --> 00:53:38,084 But people didn't, hadn't seen Blacks 1073 00:53:38,258 --> 00:53:41,957 and Major League All-Star teams mix too much in those days. 1074 00:53:42,567 --> 00:53:46,048 So we always had large crowds. I think we played ten games. 1075 00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:47,876 We played against 1076 00:53:48,050 --> 00:53:49,965 Dizzy Dean and his brother in Cleveland, 1077 00:53:50,227 --> 00:53:51,880 and they had a sellout crowd. And... 1078 00:53:52,838 --> 00:53:55,232 Satchel beat Dizzy two-one in 12 innings. 1079 00:53:55,928 --> 00:53:59,801 Bob K: The record books bear out that the Black teams 1080 00:53:59,975 --> 00:54:03,022 won the majority of those head-to-head matchups. 1081 00:54:03,196 --> 00:54:06,155 What that tells me, number one, is there was no doubt 1082 00:54:06,591 --> 00:54:08,767 in the minds of those Major League athletes 1083 00:54:08,941 --> 00:54:10,247 that these guys could play. 1084 00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:12,553 Now, 1085 00:54:12,988 --> 00:54:14,773 we knew that we could play baseball with anybody. 1086 00:54:15,077 --> 00:54:17,210 If you've got Satchel on your team, 1087 00:54:17,384 --> 00:54:21,170 you can play our teams that got nine devils on it. 1088 00:54:21,475 --> 00:54:23,216 Somebody asked Dizzy Dean, they said, 1089 00:54:23,390 --> 00:54:25,131 "Who's the greatest pitcher you ever saw?" 1090 00:54:25,305 --> 00:54:27,873 And Dizzy Dean was known to be a little conceited, 1091 00:54:28,134 --> 00:54:30,484 and they figured he's gonna start talking about himself. 1092 00:54:30,745 --> 00:54:32,181 He said, and he told them 1093 00:54:32,617 --> 00:54:33,705 that the greatest pitcher he ever saw was a Colored boy 1094 00:54:33,879 --> 00:54:35,315 named Satchel Paige. 1095 00:54:35,576 --> 00:54:37,230 He said, "If you can get him and me on the same team, 1096 00:54:37,404 --> 00:54:39,624 we could win the pennant by the 4th of July 1097 00:54:39,798 --> 00:54:41,626 and go fishing until the World Series started." 1098 00:54:43,802 --> 00:54:45,847 I remember we were playing in California 1099 00:54:46,021 --> 00:54:47,414 in the winter league, 1100 00:54:47,632 --> 00:54:49,242 and I was with Satchel Paige's All-Stars. 1101 00:54:49,808 --> 00:54:52,463 And we were playing the Major Leagues All-Stars. 1102 00:54:52,811 --> 00:54:54,421 And we played three Sundays. 1103 00:54:54,682 --> 00:54:56,510 And then Judge Landis, who was the commissioner 1104 00:54:56,684 --> 00:54:57,990 at that time, 1105 00:54:58,382 --> 00:54:59,992 sent a telegram out and told the Major Leaguers 1106 00:55:00,166 --> 00:55:01,646 not to play us any more 1107 00:55:02,037 --> 00:55:04,823 because they had everything to lose and nothing to gain. 1108 00:55:05,171 --> 00:55:07,434 We had everything to gain and nothing to lose. 1109 00:55:08,043 --> 00:55:12,918 I can only be for the best team in each league to win a pennant. 1110 00:55:13,397 --> 00:55:18,271 But to you fans, no heartaches and not even a grouch. 1111 00:55:18,489 --> 00:55:19,794 May you all win. 1112 00:55:20,665 --> 00:55:22,319 Kenesaw Mountain Landis 1113 00:55:22,580 --> 00:55:24,321 is brought in as the first commissioner of baseball 1114 00:55:24,495 --> 00:55:27,062 after the Black Sox scandal of 1919, 1115 00:55:27,759 --> 00:55:30,065 which was the throwing of the World Series. 1116 00:55:30,849 --> 00:55:33,982 So the owners give Kenesaw Mountain Landis 1117 00:55:34,156 --> 00:55:36,463 essentially almost dictatorial powers, 1118 00:55:36,898 --> 00:55:39,161 because they needed to clean up the image of baseball 1119 00:55:39,336 --> 00:55:40,685 after the Black Sox scandal. 1120 00:55:41,729 --> 00:55:45,603 Whatever views Landis had, we know that by his actions, 1121 00:55:45,777 --> 00:55:50,347 he maintained segregation in Major League Baseball 1122 00:55:50,608 --> 00:55:53,567 far longer than it needed to be maintained. 1123 00:55:54,655 --> 00:55:59,791 Landis will soon prevent teams of Major Leaguers 1124 00:55:59,965 --> 00:56:03,011 from barnstorming against teams of Negro Leaguers 1125 00:56:03,229 --> 00:56:04,361 because he doesn't want 1126 00:56:04,970 --> 00:56:07,842 intact Major League teams being defeated. 1127 00:56:08,190 --> 00:56:12,630 Whatever he says about, "Oh, there's no law. 1128 00:56:12,847 --> 00:56:15,633 There's no rule against integration." 1129 00:56:15,894 --> 00:56:22,291 The reality is, at every step, he did nothing but block it. 1130 00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,163 News reporter: Today, Destination Freedom 1131 00:56:24,424 --> 00:56:27,122 will play that chapter entitled "The Ballad of Satchel Paige." 1132 00:56:30,299 --> 00:56:35,740 ♪ Nobody knows when he first Played on a baseball field ♪ 1133 00:56:36,001 --> 00:56:37,872 ♪ Some say he put out Caesar ♪ 1134 00:56:38,046 --> 00:56:40,048 ♪ When old Julius Tried to steal... ♪ 1135 00:56:40,222 --> 00:56:45,053 As his name recognition grows as a tremendous winner, 1136 00:56:45,402 --> 00:56:48,883 other teams want him to come in, pitch two or three innings, 1137 00:56:49,057 --> 00:56:53,192 and that's when the relationship between him and Gus Greenlee 1138 00:56:53,366 --> 00:56:54,323 becomes... 1139 00:56:55,716 --> 00:56:57,457 strained. 1140 00:56:57,762 --> 00:57:01,156 By 1937, he had put in two, like, really great seasons 1141 00:57:01,330 --> 00:57:02,767 for Gus Greenlee. 1142 00:57:03,028 --> 00:57:05,683 He was back with the Crawfords, and all of a sudden, 1143 00:57:05,944 --> 00:57:10,601 these guys start hanging around the stadium, 1144 00:57:11,079 --> 00:57:13,734 and it turns out that they were emissaries 1145 00:57:13,995 --> 00:57:17,477 from the strong man in the Dominican Republic, 1146 00:57:17,651 --> 00:57:19,348 Trujillo. 1147 00:57:19,523 --> 00:57:22,613 So he sent his emissary with 30,000 dollars 1148 00:57:22,787 --> 00:57:24,571 to offer Satchel Paige 1149 00:57:24,745 --> 00:57:27,052 to play for him, and then also carte blanche 1150 00:57:27,226 --> 00:57:30,316 to then bring as many players as he could bring with him. 1151 00:57:31,273 --> 00:57:33,580 Paige then was able to reach out 1152 00:57:33,754 --> 00:57:36,540 to other star Negro League players, 1153 00:57:36,714 --> 00:57:38,585 particularly those on the Crawfords. 1154 00:57:38,759 --> 00:57:42,110 "And yeah, I'll go with you. Sure. For what? How much money? 1155 00:57:42,284 --> 00:57:45,723 Pay me a couple thousand. Oh, yeah, right. I'm coming." 1156 00:57:48,290 --> 00:57:51,337 Paige brought in a total of nine Pittsburgh Crawfords 1157 00:57:51,511 --> 00:57:53,252 from a roster of 16. 1158 00:57:54,035 --> 00:57:56,603 But it destroyed the Pittsburgh Crawfords 1159 00:57:56,777 --> 00:57:59,084 because they lost their best players. 1160 00:58:00,781 --> 00:58:03,088 By 1938, they were history. 1161 00:58:04,742 --> 00:58:08,180 It was too bad because Greenlee did a great deal 1162 00:58:08,746 --> 00:58:10,138 for Black baseball. 1163 00:58:10,530 --> 00:58:11,923 So at that point, 1164 00:58:12,097 --> 00:58:13,881 Cum Posey takes advantage, pounces. 1165 00:58:14,055 --> 00:58:15,927 And he lured Josh Gibson back, 1166 00:58:16,101 --> 00:58:18,190 started stealing some of the players back. 1167 00:58:18,364 --> 00:58:20,409 And then you had the makings of, 1168 00:58:20,627 --> 00:58:23,587 really, the last great Negro League dynasty, 1169 00:58:24,022 --> 00:58:26,372 which was the Homestead Grays. 1170 00:58:26,677 --> 00:58:29,418 And they made it to five of the last 1171 00:58:29,593 --> 00:58:31,072 Negro League World Series 1172 00:58:31,246 --> 00:58:32,596 in the last decade of the Negro Leagues. 1173 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:44,999 News reporter: The stakes this time 1174 00:58:45,565 --> 00:58:47,828 are the greatest men have ever fought for. 1175 00:58:48,002 --> 00:58:51,484 And what are the stakes? The American state. 1176 00:58:52,485 --> 00:58:54,661 The liberty of the whole earth 1177 00:58:54,879 --> 00:58:57,403 depends on the outcome of this contest. 1178 00:59:02,930 --> 00:59:05,280 Bob M: Following the US entry into World War II, 1179 00:59:05,629 --> 00:59:08,066 African Americans once again embraced the opportunity 1180 00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:09,633 to fight for their country. 1181 00:59:10,155 --> 00:59:12,679 Close to 120 Negro League ballplayers 1182 00:59:12,853 --> 00:59:14,333 joined in the war effort. 1183 00:59:16,335 --> 00:59:20,034 In the spring of 1943, I enlisted as a member 1184 00:59:20,208 --> 00:59:21,732 of the United States Marine Corps. 1185 00:59:23,124 --> 00:59:24,473 I was one of the first Black Marines 1186 00:59:24,648 --> 00:59:25,997 in the history of this country. 1187 00:59:27,607 --> 00:59:30,131 Black soldiers were always put on the front lines, 1188 00:59:30,305 --> 00:59:33,961 used as pawns to pave the way for the White soldiers. 1189 00:59:35,136 --> 00:59:38,487 On the battlefields of Okinawa, Saipan, and Guam, 1190 00:59:38,749 --> 00:59:41,142 I would endure many harrowing experiences. 1191 00:59:42,056 --> 00:59:43,884 More than half of my company was killed. 1192 00:59:44,885 --> 00:59:47,366 There were so many dead bodies lying around, 1193 00:59:47,584 --> 00:59:49,194 they could have covered the playing field 1194 00:59:49,368 --> 00:59:51,544 of any Major League ballpark with the corpses. 1195 00:59:53,198 --> 00:59:55,853 I had given America two and a half years of service, 1196 00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:58,072 and the country still had not granted 1197 00:59:58,246 --> 01:00:00,945 full rights to me or my Black brothers. 1198 01:00:03,251 --> 01:00:04,862 It was a huge contradiction 1199 01:00:05,036 --> 01:00:06,951 that Americans were fighting this war effort 1200 01:00:07,125 --> 01:00:11,303 on behalf of civil rights and liberties for people abroad. 1201 01:00:11,477 --> 01:00:13,261 And Black people understood 1202 01:00:13,435 --> 01:00:15,481 that they were still second class citizens at home. 1203 01:00:16,351 --> 01:00:19,703 And I think Black people took that as an opportunity 1204 01:00:19,877 --> 01:00:21,182 to start pushing for more. 1205 01:00:23,445 --> 01:00:25,012 The Double V campaign 1206 01:00:25,186 --> 01:00:26,274 was started by the Pittsburgh Courier. 1207 01:00:27,101 --> 01:00:30,322 The Courier rallied Black opinion 1208 01:00:30,496 --> 01:00:31,889 around the country, 1209 01:00:32,237 --> 01:00:35,066 around the idea of "We will support this war. 1210 01:00:35,457 --> 01:00:38,286 We will enlist to fight. 1211 01:00:38,765 --> 01:00:41,681 We will buy war bonds and support the war. 1212 01:00:41,855 --> 01:00:45,729 We will be patriotic, but we want it understood, 1213 01:00:46,555 --> 01:00:49,384 that when the war is over, we are going to get our rights." 1214 01:00:50,168 --> 01:00:52,866 And this is what they call the Double Victory campaign. 1215 01:00:53,084 --> 01:00:59,525 The idea of having to fight two wars, one overseas, 1216 01:00:59,699 --> 01:01:02,920 and more importantly, one here at home against segregation. 1217 01:01:03,137 --> 01:01:05,400 And in that discussion comes one of, I think, 1218 01:01:05,574 --> 01:01:08,665 one of the most powerful images and stories that comes out 1219 01:01:08,839 --> 01:01:10,971 is the idea they can fight, 1220 01:01:11,276 --> 01:01:13,582 and go, and fight, and die at Guadalcanal, 1221 01:01:13,757 --> 01:01:15,672 but they can't play on a diamond together? 1222 01:01:17,978 --> 01:01:19,327 At the time, 1223 01:01:19,588 --> 01:01:21,373 baseball was America's most important sport, 1224 01:01:21,547 --> 01:01:23,636 and so integrating that 1225 01:01:23,810 --> 01:01:27,074 they felt symbolically would be such a major step 1226 01:01:27,248 --> 01:01:29,729 to see Black people and White people 1227 01:01:29,903 --> 01:01:31,688 working together on the same team 1228 01:01:31,862 --> 01:01:34,516 to achieve a common goal of winning a game. 1229 01:01:35,082 --> 01:01:36,475 I was involved 1230 01:01:36,649 --> 01:01:38,390 in an organization of young people 1231 01:01:38,695 --> 01:01:40,435 interested in breaking 1232 01:01:40,609 --> 01:01:42,742 the Jim Crow ban in the big leagues. 1233 01:01:43,264 --> 01:01:46,180 We used to go collect signatures 1234 01:01:46,354 --> 01:01:50,228 from the fans coming into Forbes Field 1235 01:01:50,576 --> 01:01:55,494 that we want to have Negroes get into the big leagues, 1236 01:01:55,668 --> 01:01:57,365 and there were lots of petitions 1237 01:01:57,539 --> 01:02:00,238 like we were making in Pittsburgh, in New York. 1238 01:02:00,455 --> 01:02:01,805 Many, many petitions 1239 01:02:01,979 --> 01:02:04,590 were gathered at the Yankee Stadium. 1240 01:02:04,764 --> 01:02:08,246 The owners knew that this has got to change. 1241 01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:10,683 Bob K: Now, the Black press 1242 01:02:11,031 --> 01:02:15,557 was pushing this agenda all along. Sam Lacy, Faye Young. 1243 01:02:15,732 --> 01:02:17,472 There were other great Black writers 1244 01:02:17,646 --> 01:02:21,825 who were all trying to alter the course of baseball 1245 01:02:21,999 --> 01:02:25,045 and move Black folks into Major League Baseball. 1246 01:02:25,698 --> 01:02:27,004 But Wendell Smith, 1247 01:02:27,526 --> 01:02:30,659 one of the great Black writers of that era, 1248 01:02:30,834 --> 01:02:33,227 was really its primary front man. 1249 01:02:35,012 --> 01:02:36,578 Wendell Smith started writing 1250 01:02:36,753 --> 01:02:39,538 this whole series of stories about the issue. 1251 01:02:40,017 --> 01:02:44,369 And so, when teams came to play in Pittsburgh at Forbes Field, 1252 01:02:44,543 --> 01:02:47,415 he would park himself at the Schenley Hotel 1253 01:02:47,589 --> 01:02:49,287 across the street from the ballpark 1254 01:02:49,461 --> 01:02:53,900 and buttonhole the top managers and coaches and players and say, 1255 01:02:54,074 --> 01:02:57,121 "Are you in favor of integrating the Major Leagues?" 1256 01:02:57,295 --> 01:02:58,949 And he got all of these top, 1257 01:02:59,123 --> 01:03:01,473 well-known people on the record saying "Yes." 1258 01:03:01,908 --> 01:03:04,432 And then he and other sportswriters used 1259 01:03:04,606 --> 01:03:07,044 some of that data to start pressuring 1260 01:03:07,218 --> 01:03:09,046 the Commissioner Landis 1261 01:03:09,220 --> 01:03:12,092 to consider the integration of Major League Baseball. 1262 01:03:12,266 --> 01:03:14,573 And he had been dodging the whole issue 1263 01:03:14,747 --> 01:03:16,880 for a couple of decades. 1264 01:03:17,054 --> 01:03:23,669 In December 1943, leaders of the Black newspapers 1265 01:03:23,887 --> 01:03:27,455 met with the commissioner of baseball 1266 01:03:28,152 --> 01:03:32,460 and the owners of baseball 1267 01:03:33,026 --> 01:03:35,637 about getting Blacks into the big leagues. 1268 01:03:35,855 --> 01:03:40,338 And they selected Paul Robeson to be the spokesman 1269 01:03:40,512 --> 01:03:42,644 of the delegation here in New York. 1270 01:03:50,217 --> 01:03:54,613 Paul Jr: Dad was then a great theatrical star, film star, 1271 01:03:54,831 --> 01:03:58,182 the leading concert artist in the country and in the world. 1272 01:03:58,878 --> 01:04:00,358 So my father's attitude was, especially, 1273 01:04:00,532 --> 01:04:01,838 because I've reached this pinnacle, 1274 01:04:02,012 --> 01:04:03,404 because I'm who I am... 1275 01:04:04,971 --> 01:04:07,321 I have to do whatever I can do 1276 01:04:07,495 --> 01:04:10,803 to advance the interests of African Americans as a whole. 1277 01:04:10,977 --> 01:04:12,326 And in this case, 1278 01:04:12,761 --> 01:04:15,590 what better way than to throw my weight behind the campaign 1279 01:04:15,808 --> 01:04:17,418 to break the segregation 1280 01:04:17,592 --> 01:04:20,160 in organized baseball in particular. 1281 01:04:21,379 --> 01:04:22,946 So Paul explained 1282 01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,774 to the commissioner and to the others, 1283 01:04:25,949 --> 01:04:29,604 "We have a million Blacks in the armed forces, 1284 01:04:29,909 --> 01:04:32,607 and now, right during this war, 1285 01:04:32,912 --> 01:04:37,221 they... You still have this ban against them in what sport? 1286 01:04:37,395 --> 01:04:38,657 The national sport. 1287 01:04:39,223 --> 01:04:42,487 How does that fit in with what we're fighting for?" 1288 01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:44,489 Voice as Paul Sr: We live in times 1289 01:04:44,663 --> 01:04:47,100 when the world is changing very fast, 1290 01:04:47,492 --> 01:04:49,886 when you may be able to make a great contribution 1291 01:04:50,060 --> 01:04:52,453 to not only the advance of our own country 1292 01:04:52,627 --> 01:04:54,499 but of the whole world. 1293 01:04:54,673 --> 01:04:56,631 Because a thing like this... 1294 01:04:56,893 --> 01:04:58,546 ...Negro ballplayers becoming 1295 01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,027 a part of the great national pastime of America... 1296 01:05:02,072 --> 01:05:03,464 can make a great difference 1297 01:05:03,638 --> 01:05:04,901 in what peoples all over the world 1298 01:05:05,075 --> 01:05:06,728 feel towards us as a country 1299 01:05:07,033 --> 01:05:09,688 in a time when we need their help. 1300 01:05:11,603 --> 01:05:15,215 Paul Jr: He made about a ten, 12-minute presentation, 1301 01:05:15,389 --> 01:05:18,784 which was quite impassioned. It was off-the-cuff 1302 01:05:19,002 --> 01:05:21,656 and really had an enormous effect 1303 01:05:21,830 --> 01:05:24,224 on the owners, apparently because unusual, 1304 01:05:24,398 --> 01:05:27,097 they applauded at the end and all that. 1305 01:05:27,619 --> 01:05:29,534 And then of course, everybody withdrew, 1306 01:05:29,708 --> 01:05:33,277 and they went back into private session. 1307 01:05:34,365 --> 01:05:35,757 Branch Rickey, 1308 01:05:36,106 --> 01:05:38,499 who's president of the Brooklyn Dodgers, says, 1309 01:05:38,673 --> 01:05:41,198 "Are we going to discuss and make a decision 1310 01:05:41,372 --> 01:05:44,636 on the proposal to integrate Major League Baseball?" 1311 01:05:44,810 --> 01:05:46,551 And Landis said, 1312 01:05:46,725 --> 01:05:49,293 "We have considered it. No action has been taken." 1313 01:05:51,469 --> 01:05:54,428 He said, "It is a matter for each club to determine 1314 01:05:54,602 --> 01:05:56,604 whether or not to sign a Black player." 1315 01:05:57,344 --> 01:06:00,130 But as long as he is the commissioner, 1316 01:06:00,391 --> 01:06:04,482 there will not be any player who can't cross the color line. 1317 01:06:05,570 --> 01:06:09,748 But in 1944, Commissioner Landis dies. 1318 01:06:10,531 --> 01:06:12,881 It really changes everything. 1319 01:06:20,498 --> 01:06:25,155 ♪ Goin' to Kansas City Kansas City, here I come... ♪ 1320 01:06:25,416 --> 01:06:27,592 Bob M: Sailing home was a bittersweet journey. 1321 01:06:28,419 --> 01:06:30,508 We had defeated a dangerous enemy, 1322 01:06:31,161 --> 01:06:33,119 all the while earning respect as soldiers. 1323 01:06:35,121 --> 01:06:36,731 Bob M: We hoped life would be better back home. 1324 01:06:36,905 --> 01:06:38,211 ♪ They got some Crazy little women there... ♪ 1325 01:06:38,385 --> 01:06:39,691 Bob M: After the war, 1326 01:06:40,257 --> 01:06:43,347 my brother begged me to give him a lift to Kansas City, Missouri. 1327 01:06:43,738 --> 01:06:48,004 Kansas City had jobs, nightlife, a thriving Black community, 1328 01:06:48,265 --> 01:06:50,354 and a professional Black baseball team, 1329 01:06:50,963 --> 01:06:53,531 the world famous Kansas City Monarchs. 1330 01:06:53,705 --> 01:06:55,098 ♪ Standin' on the corner... ♪ 1331 01:06:55,315 --> 01:06:56,969 Bob M: When I arrived in Kansas City, 1332 01:06:57,535 --> 01:06:59,015 the Monarchs were stocked full 1333 01:06:59,189 --> 01:07:00,886 of some of the League's best known talent. 1334 01:07:01,060 --> 01:07:02,888 ♪ With my Kansas City baby... ♪ 1335 01:07:03,062 --> 01:07:08,024 Bob M: Clifford Connie Johnson, Buck O'Neil, Ted Strong, 1336 01:07:08,502 --> 01:07:11,853 Willard Brown, and Satchel Paige. 1337 01:07:12,028 --> 01:07:13,551 ♪ I might take a plane... ♪ 1338 01:07:13,725 --> 01:07:15,640 The Monarchs were big shots, 1339 01:07:15,814 --> 01:07:17,381 as far as I was concerned. 1340 01:07:17,598 --> 01:07:19,644 We thought that they were the greatest things 1341 01:07:19,818 --> 01:07:21,689 that Kansas City had, you know. 1342 01:07:21,863 --> 01:07:23,256 We'd sit over there 1343 01:07:23,430 --> 01:07:25,650 and talk about who had pretty legs 1344 01:07:25,824 --> 01:07:28,218 or who was built and looked real fine. 1345 01:07:28,392 --> 01:07:30,481 You know, they looked good. 1346 01:07:32,439 --> 01:07:33,919 ♪ Ah, but you know Yeah, must die... ♪ 1347 01:07:34,093 --> 01:07:35,921 This was a good time for baseball, 1348 01:07:36,095 --> 01:07:37,401 a good time for musicians. 1349 01:07:37,575 --> 01:07:39,272 They would come to the ballgame, see us play. 1350 01:07:39,446 --> 01:07:40,969 And at night we go on and see them, 1351 01:07:41,144 --> 01:07:42,928 dance and everything. 1352 01:07:43,450 --> 01:07:45,452 By the time we get to the '40s, really, 1353 01:07:45,626 --> 01:07:47,889 this is the heyday of Black baseball. 1354 01:07:48,064 --> 01:07:49,587 Because of World War II, 1355 01:07:49,804 --> 01:07:51,632 there's money pouring into the Black community, right? 1356 01:07:51,806 --> 01:07:53,156 Like defense hiring, 1357 01:07:53,460 --> 01:07:55,158 these manufacturers can no longer say, 1358 01:07:55,332 --> 01:07:56,724 "Well, we're not gonna hire you 'cause you're Black." 1359 01:07:56,898 --> 01:07:58,335 It's all hands on deck, right? 1360 01:07:58,596 --> 01:08:02,208 So now, Black people in the general community 1361 01:08:02,382 --> 01:08:03,949 have more money to go to baseball games 1362 01:08:04,123 --> 01:08:05,864 and to support these institutions. 1363 01:08:06,604 --> 01:08:09,607 So by the late '30s and early '40s 1364 01:08:09,824 --> 01:08:12,827 Black baseball was considered to be the third largest 1365 01:08:13,089 --> 01:08:15,134 economic institution in the Black community. 1366 01:08:15,656 --> 01:08:17,267 'Cause you have vendors, 1367 01:08:17,615 --> 01:08:19,399 and you have advertising, and you have ticket sales, 1368 01:08:19,573 --> 01:08:22,881 and you have all of these other aspects to the game 1369 01:08:23,055 --> 01:08:24,230 that weren't considered, you know. 1370 01:08:24,404 --> 01:08:26,058 People were making money from it. 1371 01:08:26,493 --> 01:08:30,280 Bob K: The impact that it had on urban communities 1372 01:08:30,497 --> 01:08:34,632 was something that we've not seen to that magnitude 1373 01:08:34,806 --> 01:08:36,112 since the Negro Leagues. 1374 01:08:36,286 --> 01:08:37,983 So when we think about Black baseball 1375 01:08:38,157 --> 01:08:41,421 and its impact on cities like Chicago, 1376 01:08:41,769 --> 01:08:43,945 Kansas City, New York. 1377 01:08:44,163 --> 01:08:46,992 Wherever you had successful Black baseball, 1378 01:08:47,819 --> 01:08:51,257 you typically had thriving Black economies. 1379 01:08:51,431 --> 01:08:53,085 ♪ They got some Crazy little women there... ♪ 1380 01:08:53,259 --> 01:08:56,044 Bob M: My arrival in Kansas City in 1946 1381 01:08:56,219 --> 01:08:59,396 came at an exciting time for Black baseball in the town. 1382 01:09:00,919 --> 01:09:02,399 Bob M: When the Monarchs advanced 1383 01:09:02,573 --> 01:09:03,965 to the Negro League World Series that year 1384 01:09:04,140 --> 01:09:05,793 against the hot contender from the East, 1385 01:09:06,011 --> 01:09:07,621 the Newark Eagles. 1386 01:09:08,056 --> 01:09:09,928 They were run by powerhouse owners, 1387 01:09:10,146 --> 01:09:12,452 Abe and Effa Manley. 1388 01:09:14,541 --> 01:09:16,630 The ballplayers, they have a word they used. 1389 01:09:16,804 --> 01:09:18,893 I realized it was the most important word 1390 01:09:19,067 --> 01:09:21,679 in their vocabulary, and the word is "satisfied." 1391 01:09:21,896 --> 01:09:24,856 "I am satisfied." If they're not satisfied, 1392 01:09:25,030 --> 01:09:26,945 all you've got is a guy in a uniform. 1393 01:09:27,119 --> 01:09:28,512 And then on the case 1394 01:09:28,686 --> 01:09:30,035 of our old time Negro ballplayers, 1395 01:09:30,209 --> 01:09:31,993 they were happy doing what they did. 1396 01:09:33,212 --> 01:09:36,346 Effa Manley was a woman 1397 01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,131 who said the things that needed to be said, 1398 01:09:39,305 --> 01:09:40,959 even if nobody wanted to hear 'em, 1399 01:09:41,133 --> 01:09:43,091 and did the things that needed to be done, 1400 01:09:43,266 --> 01:09:45,093 even if nobody else wanted to do them. 1401 01:09:45,268 --> 01:09:46,617 She is called 1402 01:09:46,834 --> 01:09:47,705 "The First Lady of Black baseball" 1403 01:09:47,879 --> 01:09:49,402 because there really, 1404 01:09:49,576 --> 01:09:51,578 at that time and pretty much after that, 1405 01:09:51,752 --> 01:09:53,493 weren't any other women 1406 01:09:53,667 --> 01:09:56,496 closely involved in successful Black baseball teams. 1407 01:09:56,670 --> 01:09:59,586 And there weren't very many other women closely involved 1408 01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:01,806 with successful White baseball teams, either. 1409 01:10:02,241 --> 01:10:04,200 But she was also an enigma. 1410 01:10:04,374 --> 01:10:08,421 There's questions of like, "Was Effa Black? Was Effa White? 1411 01:10:08,595 --> 01:10:09,901 Was she passing, 1412 01:10:10,249 --> 01:10:11,816 or was she just living her truth? 1413 01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:13,165 Was she just living her life?" 1414 01:10:15,123 --> 01:10:16,951 Before she gets into baseball, 1415 01:10:17,125 --> 01:10:21,434 she comes of age in Harlem in the 1920s and early '30s, 1416 01:10:21,782 --> 01:10:23,958 and she is absorbing all of it. 1417 01:10:24,524 --> 01:10:27,875 I immediately became very much involved 1418 01:10:28,049 --> 01:10:30,400 in civic affairs. 1419 01:10:30,748 --> 01:10:32,793 I was attending a dinner one night, 1420 01:10:32,967 --> 01:10:34,752 and we got into this conversation 1421 01:10:34,926 --> 01:10:38,146 about how hard it was for Negroes to find employment. 1422 01:10:39,191 --> 01:10:41,628 The department stores and other big stores 1423 01:10:41,802 --> 01:10:43,326 on 125th Street in Harlem, 1424 01:10:43,500 --> 01:10:46,329 which was the main business street there, had no, 1425 01:10:46,503 --> 01:10:48,026 other than elevator operators, 1426 01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:50,898 you couldn't see a Black employee in the store. 1427 01:10:51,508 --> 01:10:53,858 So she decides to launch a boycott 1428 01:10:54,032 --> 01:10:56,295 against a department store in Harlem, 1429 01:10:56,469 --> 01:10:59,342 because even though 70, 75 percent of their sales 1430 01:10:59,516 --> 01:11:01,169 were coming from the Black community, 1431 01:11:01,344 --> 01:11:02,867 they would not hire Black women as salesclerks. 1432 01:11:33,201 --> 01:11:35,639 It worked. And if you were gonna see 1433 01:11:35,813 --> 01:11:37,728 how Effa Manley was gonna run her team 1434 01:11:37,902 --> 01:11:39,382 in the Negro National League, 1435 01:11:39,556 --> 01:11:40,861 you need only look at those few months 1436 01:11:41,035 --> 01:11:42,515 in Harlem in 1934. 1437 01:11:47,651 --> 01:11:51,568 Abe Manley was involved in numbers operations, 1438 01:11:51,916 --> 01:11:55,049 and Abe had always been a really big fan 1439 01:11:55,223 --> 01:11:56,703 of Black baseball. 1440 01:11:57,182 --> 01:12:00,968 Once he marries Effa and sees what Effa is capable of 1441 01:12:01,142 --> 01:12:04,145 during this Blumstein's boycott. He can trust her. 1442 01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:06,060 He knows that she will do the work, 1443 01:12:06,234 --> 01:12:08,585 that she is smart, that she is savvy. 1444 01:12:08,759 --> 01:12:12,719 He's like, "Yeah, let me give this Black baseball thing a go." 1445 01:12:12,893 --> 01:12:14,199 Little by little, 1446 01:12:14,373 --> 01:12:16,375 I found myself doing more and more. 1447 01:12:16,549 --> 01:12:19,770 I drew up the schedules, bought the equipment, 1448 01:12:19,944 --> 01:12:21,815 went to all of the meetings, of course. 1449 01:12:21,989 --> 01:12:24,252 I found myself completely involved, 1450 01:12:24,427 --> 01:12:25,906 and I enjoyed it. 1451 01:12:26,559 --> 01:12:28,953 Bob K: She was a shrewd negotiator. 1452 01:12:29,301 --> 01:12:32,957 She knew the business of baseball as well as any man, 1453 01:12:33,261 --> 01:12:35,307 and Monte Irvin was fond of saying, 1454 01:12:35,481 --> 01:12:37,309 "She never missed a payday." 1455 01:12:37,614 --> 01:12:39,180 You had a lot of respect for her, 1456 01:12:39,355 --> 01:12:42,227 and she tried to keep you on, you know, tried to, 1457 01:12:42,401 --> 01:12:43,576 particularly young fellas. 1458 01:12:43,750 --> 01:12:45,056 She'd try to advise them what to do, 1459 01:12:45,230 --> 01:12:46,623 how to do it and that kind of a thing. 1460 01:12:46,797 --> 01:12:48,320 But I think it was her ability 1461 01:12:48,494 --> 01:12:50,583 and her characteristics and what she was like 1462 01:12:50,757 --> 01:12:53,412 and what she wanted the League to look like 1463 01:12:54,370 --> 01:12:56,110 that made her a presence 1464 01:12:56,284 --> 01:12:59,505 in the Negro League situation, you know? Very important. Yeah. 1465 01:13:05,424 --> 01:13:08,688 For many years in the '40s, the Homestead Grays 1466 01:13:08,862 --> 01:13:10,603 were constantly winning the pennant, 1467 01:13:10,777 --> 01:13:12,257 and the Eagles were right behind them. 1468 01:13:12,649 --> 01:13:14,868 And in 1946, they finally caught up. 1469 01:13:15,303 --> 01:13:16,957 It was special for Effa. 1470 01:13:17,131 --> 01:13:19,482 She'd been in baseball at this point, her and Abe, 1471 01:13:19,656 --> 01:13:21,222 for over a decade. 1472 01:13:21,397 --> 01:13:24,051 And this was the moment that she had been working to. 1473 01:13:24,661 --> 01:13:26,358 She had Larry Doby, 1474 01:13:26,532 --> 01:13:28,534 who became the first player in the American League, 1475 01:13:28,708 --> 01:13:30,014 when he signed 1476 01:13:30,318 --> 01:13:31,885 with the baseball team out of Cleveland. 1477 01:13:32,277 --> 01:13:35,323 Monte Irvin was on that team, Leon Day was on that team. 1478 01:13:35,672 --> 01:13:37,369 Bob K: Leon Day throws 1479 01:13:37,543 --> 01:13:39,502 an opening day no-hitter... 1480 01:13:39,806 --> 01:13:41,112 ...in 1946. 1481 01:13:42,418 --> 01:13:45,508 Opening day, that was tremendous. 1482 01:13:45,682 --> 01:13:46,857 It was... I mean, it was... 1483 01:13:47,727 --> 01:13:49,729 That's why that reaction, it was shock. 1484 01:13:50,034 --> 01:13:51,557 The Black people threw the little blue cushions 1485 01:13:52,079 --> 01:13:53,690 they used to give you to sit on, 1486 01:13:53,864 --> 01:13:55,343 they just covered the stadium with pillows. 1487 01:13:55,518 --> 01:13:57,302 And pillows were sailing out from all over the place. 1488 01:13:57,476 --> 01:13:58,782 I was a little boy looking at that, 1489 01:13:58,956 --> 01:14:00,523 I thought... I was like, "Wow, look at this." 1490 01:14:01,262 --> 01:14:04,352 Bob K: And the Newark Eagles rode that wave 1491 01:14:04,527 --> 01:14:06,224 all the way to the World Series 1492 01:14:06,398 --> 01:14:08,095 against the Kansas City Monarchs. 1493 01:14:08,269 --> 01:14:10,663 The Monarchs were ahead, three games to two, 1494 01:14:10,837 --> 01:14:12,622 and were on the verge of winning. 1495 01:14:12,796 --> 01:14:15,842 The Eagles won a slugfest in the sixth game to tie it up. 1496 01:14:16,016 --> 01:14:17,409 So they're back at Rupert Stadium 1497 01:14:17,583 --> 01:14:18,715 for the seventh game. 1498 01:14:19,498 --> 01:14:20,760 And he gets to the ninth inning. 1499 01:14:20,934 --> 01:14:22,545 The Eagles are ahead, three to two. 1500 01:14:22,893 --> 01:14:25,330 Monarchs last chance. First guy makes an out, 1501 01:14:25,504 --> 01:14:26,766 the second guy singles, 1502 01:14:26,940 --> 01:14:28,376 but he's thrown out at second, 1503 01:14:28,551 --> 01:14:30,378 trying to stretch it into a double. 1504 01:14:30,553 --> 01:14:31,858 So now there are two outs, 1505 01:14:32,468 --> 01:14:35,296 and Effa Manley is just as nervous as a cat 1506 01:14:35,471 --> 01:14:36,907 because the next guy gets a hit. 1507 01:14:37,995 --> 01:14:39,866 She's something like in her memoirs, 1508 01:14:40,171 --> 01:14:43,087 "How can a human heart take all this tension?" 1509 01:14:43,261 --> 01:14:44,741 She says, "I can't look, 1510 01:14:44,915 --> 01:14:46,960 I hear the crack of the bat and I can't look. 1511 01:14:47,134 --> 01:14:48,571 I finally opened my eyes, 1512 01:14:49,267 --> 01:14:50,703 and the ball is coming right down 1513 01:14:50,877 --> 01:14:52,139 in first baseman Lennie Pearson's mitt." 1514 01:14:52,313 --> 01:14:54,881 He grabs it. The Eagles win. 1515 01:14:57,362 --> 01:15:01,018 Boy, did we have a ballclub in 1946.[chuckling] 1516 01:15:01,540 --> 01:15:03,063 I don't believe 1517 01:15:03,455 --> 01:15:05,283 any ballclub in the country could have beaten us. 1518 01:15:10,506 --> 01:15:11,637 I'm in the Navy. 1519 01:15:12,116 --> 01:15:14,988 I'm a boatswain, stevedore platoon. 1520 01:15:15,162 --> 01:15:16,860 It's an all Black battalion. 1521 01:15:17,817 --> 01:15:19,210 It's 10:30 at night. 1522 01:15:19,384 --> 01:15:22,169 Everybody's in bed, and the officer said, 1523 01:15:22,343 --> 01:15:23,997 the officer of the day, 1524 01:15:24,955 --> 01:15:26,870 "Boatswain O'Neil, come to my office at once." 1525 01:15:27,044 --> 01:15:29,002 I say, "Oh, hell, what did I do now?" 1526 01:15:29,176 --> 01:15:30,961 He said, "You know what?" I say, "No, sir." 1527 01:15:32,179 --> 01:15:33,920 "Branch Rickey just signed Jackie 1528 01:15:34,094 --> 01:15:36,314 to an organized baseball contract." 1529 01:15:36,575 --> 01:15:39,622 I say, "Whoop, give me that horn." 1530 01:15:39,839 --> 01:15:41,188 I got on it. 1531 01:15:41,362 --> 01:15:43,495 I say, "Hear this, hear this, hear this." 1532 01:15:43,756 --> 01:15:45,715 Woke up the entire camp. 1533 01:15:46,585 --> 01:15:49,066 And I said, "Branch Rickey just signed Jackie Robinson 1534 01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:51,198 to an organized baseball contract." 1535 01:15:51,416 --> 01:15:53,549 They whoop, they holler, they shot their guns. 1536 01:15:53,897 --> 01:15:57,422 We didn't sleep much that night. Oh, man. That was it. 1537 01:15:58,554 --> 01:15:59,990 I came out of the service, 1538 01:16:00,164 --> 01:16:02,383 I joined a baseball team. In a year or so, 1539 01:16:02,558 --> 01:16:05,256 I was with the organized baseball, 1540 01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:06,779 and in a very short time, 1541 01:16:06,953 --> 01:16:08,694 I was up there in the Major Leagues. 1542 01:16:08,912 --> 01:16:10,870 Boy, I was a pretty lucky fellow because we do pretty well 1543 01:16:11,044 --> 01:16:12,480 in the Major League in baseball. 1544 01:16:14,091 --> 01:16:19,052 ♪ I got a good thing A good thing going on ♪ 1545 01:16:21,054 --> 01:16:26,190 ♪ I got a good thing A good thing going on ♪ 1546 01:16:27,104 --> 01:16:30,063 ♪ Woke up this mornin' It's a brand-new day ♪ 1547 01:16:30,324 --> 01:16:32,718 ♪ And I know everything's Gonna come my way ♪ 1548 01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:39,116 ♪ 'Cause I got a good thing A good thing going on ♪ 1549 01:16:42,249 --> 01:16:45,992 Jackie Robinson had been this incredible athlete at UCLA, 1550 01:16:46,166 --> 01:16:48,125 and he was known across the country 1551 01:16:48,299 --> 01:16:49,866 as this football star, 1552 01:16:50,127 --> 01:16:51,694 but there was no avenue for him to play football. 1553 01:16:51,868 --> 01:16:54,697 And so, baseball really became the best outlet for him 1554 01:16:54,871 --> 01:16:57,482 to be a professional athlete to make money. 1555 01:16:57,830 --> 01:17:00,920 And that door opened for him through the Negro Leagues, 1556 01:17:01,094 --> 01:17:02,356 through the Kansas City Monarchs. 1557 01:17:02,748 --> 01:17:04,315 At the time, 1558 01:17:04,489 --> 01:17:07,361 Wendell Smith decided that Jackie Robinson 1559 01:17:07,535 --> 01:17:10,756 was the player that had the best odds 1560 01:17:10,930 --> 01:17:12,802 of breaking through into the Major Leagues 1561 01:17:12,976 --> 01:17:14,455 because he had the right temperament, 1562 01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:15,979 and he had the right look 1563 01:17:16,414 --> 01:17:18,764 that would be accepted by White fans. 1564 01:17:18,938 --> 01:17:20,897 So it was actually Wendell Smith 1565 01:17:21,071 --> 01:17:24,988 who put Jackie Robinson on Branch Rickey's radar screen. 1566 01:17:28,208 --> 01:17:29,688 Organized baseball 1567 01:17:29,862 --> 01:17:31,690 hasn't had a Negro player since 1884, 1568 01:17:31,864 --> 01:17:33,518 when Moses Walker was with Toledo. 1569 01:17:33,692 --> 01:17:36,956 But 63 years later, in 1947, 1570 01:17:37,130 --> 01:17:39,132 Jackie Robinson joined the Brooklyn Dodgers 1571 01:17:39,306 --> 01:17:40,612 and blasted his way to stardom. 1572 01:17:42,570 --> 01:17:44,398 Bob M: We never thought we'd lived to see the day 1573 01:17:44,572 --> 01:17:46,487 when a Black man would be admitted into the Major Leagues. 1574 01:17:47,184 --> 01:17:49,142 Equality was within our reach. 1575 01:17:50,230 --> 01:17:52,885 If a Black man could integrate the great American pastime, 1576 01:17:53,712 --> 01:17:55,279 anything seemed possible. 1577 01:17:56,628 --> 01:17:59,631 Every Sunday in my hometown Fairfield, 1578 01:18:00,458 --> 01:18:02,590 I would read about three guys, 1579 01:18:03,635 --> 01:18:07,204 Joe DiMaggio, Ted Williams, Stan Musial. 1580 01:18:07,639 --> 01:18:09,032 Those are the guys 1581 01:18:09,206 --> 01:18:11,251 that were on the sport page every Sunday. 1582 01:18:11,774 --> 01:18:16,126 So when Jackie came in in '47, he gave me hope. 1583 01:18:17,170 --> 01:18:18,519 Well, man, one of these days 1584 01:18:18,694 --> 01:18:20,913 I might be on the front page like that. 1585 01:18:22,175 --> 01:18:24,612 Brooklyn became Harlem. 1586 01:18:25,613 --> 01:18:29,530 Or that is to say, it was a place most loved. 1587 01:18:30,662 --> 01:18:34,361 And whether you would ever go there or not, you knew Brooklyn 1588 01:18:34,535 --> 01:18:36,929 because Jackie Robinson was there. 1589 01:18:38,626 --> 01:18:41,020 One of the very first times 1590 01:18:41,238 --> 01:18:44,632 that I went to see the game at Ebbets Field... 1591 01:18:46,330 --> 01:18:48,767 First of all, going on the subway, 1592 01:18:48,941 --> 01:18:53,816 you'd have thought all of Harlem was heading there. 1593 01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:57,994 Everybody I see, they're bringing along baskets. 1594 01:18:58,255 --> 01:19:01,432 They've got chicken. It's like a big picnic. 1595 01:19:01,780 --> 01:19:04,740 All of Harlem now is going to Ebbets Field and so, 1596 01:19:04,914 --> 01:19:07,046 you know where they're going, and you know why they're going. 1597 01:19:07,220 --> 01:19:09,483 Jackie. Everybody's talking about Jackie. 1598 01:19:12,312 --> 01:19:13,792 Jackie changed people. 1599 01:19:13,966 --> 01:19:16,621 The whole dynamics of America changed. 1600 01:19:17,317 --> 01:19:20,103 You know, when the Dodgers began playing on the road... 1601 01:19:22,192 --> 01:19:24,847 you saw tumultuous scenes, you know, and... 1602 01:19:26,065 --> 01:19:28,285 this was... There was a first in everything. 1603 01:19:28,807 --> 01:19:31,114 There was an exhibition game in Georgia. 1604 01:19:31,636 --> 01:19:33,638 This tremendous crowd of Black people, 1605 01:19:33,812 --> 01:19:35,553 and the Dodgers emerged from their dugout. 1606 01:19:37,685 --> 01:19:39,775 A big roar of greeting from the Black crowd. 1607 01:19:41,820 --> 01:19:43,517 The second thing is booing from the White stands. 1608 01:19:45,171 --> 01:19:47,304 Okay. Then the third thing happens. 1609 01:19:47,521 --> 01:19:50,960 What's the third thing? White people begin standing up 1610 01:19:51,134 --> 01:19:53,005 and clapping to differentiate themselves. 1611 01:19:54,964 --> 01:19:57,183 How many? Hundreds. 1612 01:19:57,357 --> 01:19:58,924 So, who are these people, you know? 1613 01:19:59,098 --> 01:20:01,884 They're not all hidden closet progressives, you know. 1614 01:20:02,754 --> 01:20:05,104 So that's a great dynamic at work there. 1615 01:20:06,236 --> 01:20:08,151 Black and White took the field together. 1616 01:20:08,891 --> 01:20:11,023 How do you estimate the meaning of that, you know? 1617 01:20:12,808 --> 01:20:15,419 Jackie Robinson not only opened the doors for baseball, 1618 01:20:15,593 --> 01:20:17,856 but he opened the doors for a lot of other opportunities 1619 01:20:18,030 --> 01:20:19,640 because he brought to mind 1620 01:20:19,815 --> 01:20:22,252 to a lot of predominantly White businessmen, 1621 01:20:22,426 --> 01:20:24,994 why shouldn't we have a Black telephone operator? 1622 01:20:25,385 --> 01:20:27,561 Why shouldn't we have a clerk in our store? 1623 01:20:27,779 --> 01:20:29,041 They didn't understand that, 1624 01:20:29,215 --> 01:20:30,956 until they got to see Jackie Robinson 1625 01:20:31,130 --> 01:20:35,265 producing like a professional baseball player 1626 01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:37,441 and then projected that into other areas of life. 1627 01:20:38,746 --> 01:20:40,661 I think Jack was one of the catalysts 1628 01:20:40,836 --> 01:20:42,272 for the civil rights movement, 1629 01:20:42,533 --> 01:20:44,448 that somehow he alerted White people 1630 01:20:44,622 --> 01:20:46,929 to the fact of discrimination 1631 01:20:47,103 --> 01:20:49,453 and what the losses were for the society, 1632 01:20:49,627 --> 01:20:51,629 that you couldn't include this talent. 1633 01:20:52,195 --> 01:20:53,631 And I think he made Black people, 1634 01:20:53,805 --> 01:20:55,285 who had been made to feel inferior, 1635 01:20:55,459 --> 01:20:57,548 feel prouder of themselves. 1636 01:21:00,203 --> 01:21:02,379 Signing him was remarkable 1637 01:21:02,553 --> 01:21:05,861 because Jackie was not a great player when he started, 1638 01:21:06,035 --> 01:21:10,866 but every year he improved and became very exciting, 1639 01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:13,520 and a great second baseman, and a team leader. 1640 01:21:14,043 --> 01:21:16,872 He just... He did a great job of pioneering. 1641 01:21:18,830 --> 01:21:22,486 But the hostility to Jackie was very, very strong. 1642 01:21:23,530 --> 01:21:27,621 And now, the Cardinals were probably the most hostile. 1643 01:21:28,361 --> 01:21:31,712 And I saw Enos Slaughter run down 1644 01:21:31,887 --> 01:21:35,891 and just deliberately reach out with his left foot 1645 01:21:36,108 --> 01:21:40,243 and spike Jackie Robinson's ankle. 1646 01:21:41,853 --> 01:21:43,855 The things that happened on the ball field 1647 01:21:44,029 --> 01:21:46,466 hurt more than anything else, simply because of the fact 1648 01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,860 that I had been in athletics for many, many years, 1649 01:21:49,034 --> 01:21:51,950 and I had never really experienced some of the things 1650 01:21:52,124 --> 01:21:54,126 that were happening to me at this particular time. 1651 01:21:54,474 --> 01:21:57,260 So Mr. Rickey felt that for the first few years 1652 01:21:57,434 --> 01:22:00,306 that we couldn't oppose actually some of the things 1653 01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:01,873 that were said and done to us. 1654 01:22:02,047 --> 01:22:04,136 We had to sort of turn the other cheek. 1655 01:22:04,832 --> 01:22:06,704 I found that very difficult. Matter of fact, 1656 01:22:06,878 --> 01:22:08,532 my doctor told me to get away from baseball 1657 01:22:08,706 --> 01:22:10,534 for fear I was gonna have a nervous breakdown. 1658 01:22:12,492 --> 01:22:13,929 I knew what he was going through, 1659 01:22:14,103 --> 01:22:15,974 and I could hear it in certain cities, 1660 01:22:16,366 --> 01:22:18,629 like Philadelphia and Baltimore, 1661 01:22:18,803 --> 01:22:21,023 some of the places where there would be 1662 01:22:21,197 --> 01:22:22,807 racial epithets coming out of the stands 1663 01:22:22,981 --> 01:22:23,939 and that kind of thing. 1664 01:22:24,548 --> 01:22:26,158 And I would... It would make me angry. 1665 01:22:26,332 --> 01:22:27,899 But I was just as committed to the course 1666 01:22:28,073 --> 01:22:29,770 that Jack had chosen, as he was, 1667 01:22:30,684 --> 01:22:32,164 and he would fight back with his bat. 1668 01:22:32,338 --> 01:22:33,861 I mean, he would do well, 1669 01:22:34,036 --> 01:22:37,039 and that would silence those detractors. 1670 01:22:38,083 --> 01:22:40,738 In that pressure cooker of that first year, 1671 01:22:40,912 --> 01:22:44,002 he still was Rookie of the Year, and they won the pennant, 1672 01:22:46,004 --> 01:22:48,441 which has to be the most incredible, 1673 01:22:48,615 --> 01:22:50,966 courageous feat in the history of American sports. 1674 01:22:52,532 --> 01:22:54,970 Just look at this, and think about Jackie Robinson. 1675 01:22:55,361 --> 01:22:58,103 Dark-skinned Black man puts on a white uniform, 1676 01:22:58,277 --> 01:22:59,844 picks up a bat made of white ash, 1677 01:23:00,149 --> 01:23:01,802 stands in a white batter's box 1678 01:23:01,977 --> 01:23:03,804 to hit a white baseball from a White pitcher... 1679 01:23:05,415 --> 01:23:06,851 ...thrown over a white home plate, 1680 01:23:07,025 --> 01:23:09,680 hits the ball between two white foul lines. 1681 01:23:10,202 --> 01:23:12,552 He's called "out" or "safe" by a White umpire, 1682 01:23:12,988 --> 01:23:14,511 as White fans boo or cheer. 1683 01:23:15,816 --> 01:23:17,079 He was an ink spot 1684 01:23:17,253 --> 01:23:18,384 on the white canvas of injustice. 1685 01:23:18,732 --> 01:23:22,040 And so, no matter how you feel... 1686 01:23:22,475 --> 01:23:25,696 ...he was under a tremendous pressure... 1687 01:23:27,002 --> 01:23:28,220 to try to blend in. 1688 01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:40,624 All those that I talked to or was around were very excited 1689 01:23:40,798 --> 01:23:43,061 about the Negroes breaking into the Majors, 1690 01:23:43,235 --> 01:23:46,543 you know, which I myself was, in a way, 1691 01:23:46,717 --> 01:23:49,024 except that it did wreck our business. 1692 01:23:49,198 --> 01:23:52,549 And I do feel it was an unfair approach. 1693 01:23:52,897 --> 01:23:55,943 I feel that it should have been handled much differently. 1694 01:23:56,596 --> 01:24:00,557 Black executives of Negro Leagues teams 1695 01:24:00,774 --> 01:24:05,083 were on board with integration in the sense that they believed 1696 01:24:05,257 --> 01:24:07,912 that integration in baseball 1697 01:24:08,086 --> 01:24:09,914 would mean integration in all of society, 1698 01:24:10,088 --> 01:24:12,656 that Black people would ultimately become "equals," 1699 01:24:12,830 --> 01:24:14,092 if you will. 1700 01:24:14,484 --> 01:24:16,007 I'm not even gonna say that they were opposed 1701 01:24:16,181 --> 01:24:19,663 to integration in baseball 1702 01:24:19,837 --> 01:24:24,146 in terms of its effect potentially on their teams. 1703 01:24:24,711 --> 01:24:26,844 You know, whether they might lose some of their best teams. 1704 01:24:27,018 --> 01:24:29,890 You know, once Jackie was signed away from the Monarchs, 1705 01:24:30,065 --> 01:24:31,762 you know, they understood 1706 01:24:31,936 --> 01:24:33,068 that their players could be next. 1707 01:24:33,242 --> 01:24:34,547 In fact, their players were next. 1708 01:24:34,721 --> 01:24:35,722 I don't even think 1709 01:24:35,896 --> 01:24:37,550 they were really opposed to that. 1710 01:24:37,942 --> 01:24:39,465 The conflict came in 1711 01:24:39,639 --> 01:24:41,902 because they wanted to be treated fairly 1712 01:24:42,077 --> 01:24:43,469 as businessmen and women. 1713 01:24:44,166 --> 01:24:46,516 Even Cum Posey was an advocate, 1714 01:24:46,690 --> 01:24:47,952 before he died, 1715 01:24:48,387 --> 01:24:50,346 of integration. 1716 01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:51,738 He would give speeches and he would say, 1717 01:24:51,912 --> 01:24:53,392 I hope to, you know, 1718 01:24:53,827 --> 01:24:56,047 eventually see Black players playing in the Major Leagues. 1719 01:24:56,656 --> 01:24:58,963 But it was always with the expectation that the... 1720 01:24:59,137 --> 01:25:02,314 that the Negro League teams would be compensated, 1721 01:25:02,923 --> 01:25:04,360 that if they jumped 1722 01:25:04,534 --> 01:25:06,666 from the Negro Leagues to a pro-team, 1723 01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:08,407 that the pro-team would essentially 1724 01:25:08,581 --> 01:25:11,932 do what they would do, you know... 1725 01:25:12,585 --> 01:25:13,847 ...amongst themselves, 1726 01:25:14,065 --> 01:25:15,458 which are, they would buy out the contract. 1727 01:25:15,980 --> 01:25:18,635 Branch Rickey opposed that from the very beginning. 1728 01:25:18,809 --> 01:25:21,986 In fact, he mocked the idea 1729 01:25:22,204 --> 01:25:25,337 that Jackie Robinson had any contractual obligation 1730 01:25:25,511 --> 01:25:26,991 to the Kansas City Monarchs, 1731 01:25:27,513 --> 01:25:29,776 or that the Negro Leagues were even a real league. 1732 01:25:29,950 --> 01:25:31,517 He said they're not even a real league. 1733 01:25:32,170 --> 01:25:36,435 Branch Rickey didn't even ask... He accused Dad of being... 1734 01:25:37,828 --> 01:25:40,309 And the Negro Leagues were ran by a bunch of gamblers. 1735 01:25:40,483 --> 01:25:41,788 I don't know where he got... 1736 01:25:41,962 --> 01:25:43,790 Well, there was one guy in the East Coast, 1737 01:25:43,964 --> 01:25:46,358 was in the number business, but that's the only guy 1738 01:25:46,532 --> 01:25:48,099 I ever heard of being into gambl... 1739 01:25:48,273 --> 01:25:50,319 But he used that mainly as an excuse, 1740 01:25:50,493 --> 01:25:51,929 so they wouldn't have to pay him. 1741 01:25:52,234 --> 01:25:54,410 But Branch Rickey never paid anything, 1742 01:25:54,888 --> 01:25:56,368 really, to anybody. 1743 01:25:56,629 --> 01:25:59,676 He was a very close-operating, cheap person. 1744 01:26:00,894 --> 01:26:03,375 He knew how the baseball business worked. 1745 01:26:03,593 --> 01:26:05,812 Here are these players that you have invested in 1746 01:26:05,986 --> 01:26:07,945 that you have trained, that you have developed. 1747 01:26:08,119 --> 01:26:11,035 Now, I want them to play on my Major League roster. 1748 01:26:11,209 --> 01:26:13,124 Here is what it should cost me. 1749 01:26:14,081 --> 01:26:17,215 But Jackie Robinson signed with the Dodgers, 1750 01:26:17,650 --> 01:26:21,263 and Branch Rickey did not pay the Monarchs for his contract. 1751 01:26:21,524 --> 01:26:24,440 And later, Branch Rickey signed Roy Campanella 1752 01:26:24,614 --> 01:26:26,224 and did not pay Tom Wilson 1753 01:26:26,398 --> 01:26:28,183 of the Baltimore Elite Giants for his contract. 1754 01:26:28,357 --> 01:26:29,967 And he signed Don Newcombe, 1755 01:26:30,141 --> 01:26:32,665 and he didn't pay Effa and Abe for his contract. 1756 01:26:32,970 --> 01:26:34,885 So there was this understanding 1757 01:26:35,059 --> 01:26:36,887 that, not only was integration happening, 1758 01:26:37,061 --> 01:26:39,542 but it was going to kill their businesses. 1759 01:26:40,064 --> 01:26:43,328 I never felt he was right to take those valuable players 1760 01:26:43,502 --> 01:26:44,982 and not give us a nickel for them. 1761 01:26:45,156 --> 01:26:47,071 I felt that was very wrong, 1762 01:26:47,811 --> 01:26:50,683 and we should have had some little compensation. 1763 01:26:50,857 --> 01:26:54,209 But we were in no position to protest, and he knew it. 1764 01:26:54,383 --> 01:26:56,863 So he just completely outmaneuvered us, 1765 01:26:57,647 --> 01:27:01,085 outsmarted us, or just plain raped us. 1766 01:27:01,259 --> 01:27:04,349 I don't know what you'd say or how you'd describe it. 1767 01:27:04,654 --> 01:27:07,396 Bob K: To say that Effa Manley couldn't stand Branch Rickey 1768 01:27:07,570 --> 01:27:09,049 might be an understatement. 1769 01:27:09,528 --> 01:27:10,964 She didn't care for Branch Rickey 1770 01:27:11,138 --> 01:27:12,836 because she saw what Branch was going to do, 1771 01:27:13,445 --> 01:27:16,970 and she was able to kind of fight him off. 1772 01:27:18,668 --> 01:27:21,714 But she knew she wasn't gonna be able to continue to hold 1773 01:27:21,932 --> 01:27:25,109 those other owners off once this thing did break loose. 1774 01:27:25,457 --> 01:27:27,503 As we say, there was blood in the water, 1775 01:27:27,938 --> 01:27:29,635 and the sharks were coming out. 1776 01:27:32,029 --> 01:27:33,596 At this point, 1777 01:27:33,770 --> 01:27:35,772 Jackie's establishing himself with the Dodgers 1778 01:27:35,946 --> 01:27:37,469 in the National League. 1779 01:27:37,904 --> 01:27:40,298 Bill Veeck, from Cleveland, had called and told Effa 1780 01:27:40,472 --> 01:27:42,300 that he wanted to sign Larry Doby, 1781 01:27:42,648 --> 01:27:44,781 and immediately, 1782 01:27:44,955 --> 01:27:47,740 I think Effa's probably just happy she got a call 1783 01:27:47,914 --> 01:27:49,176 because she didn't get a call 1784 01:27:49,351 --> 01:27:50,917 from Branch Rickey for Don Newcombe. 1785 01:27:51,178 --> 01:27:53,529 So already she understands, 1786 01:27:53,703 --> 01:27:57,184 okay, he is at least trying to do business with me. 1787 01:27:58,055 --> 01:28:00,318 And he makes it clear that he wants to sign Larry Doby. 1788 01:28:00,492 --> 01:28:02,712 And she says, "Okay, well, how much will you give me?" 1789 01:28:02,886 --> 01:28:04,975 So Bill Veeck, 1790 01:28:05,149 --> 01:28:06,759 the owner of the Cleveland Indians, 1791 01:28:06,933 --> 01:28:09,588 offered 10,000 dollars for Larry Doby's contract. 1792 01:28:09,806 --> 01:28:11,329 It wasn't a lot of money, 1793 01:28:11,721 --> 01:28:12,939 but it was a whole lot more than anybody else was paying. 1794 01:28:13,592 --> 01:28:17,074 And Effa said, "You know, Mr. Veeck, 1795 01:28:17,248 --> 01:28:19,032 if he were White and a free agent, 1796 01:28:19,206 --> 01:28:21,121 you could get 100,000 dollars for him." 1797 01:28:21,296 --> 01:28:23,254 And Veeck says, "Well, yeah, you're right. 1798 01:28:23,428 --> 01:28:24,734 I'll tell you what. 1799 01:28:24,908 --> 01:28:25,996 If he sticks with the team for a month, 1800 01:28:26,170 --> 01:28:27,737 I'll pay you another five." 1801 01:28:27,911 --> 01:28:29,521 I think that made her tremendously important. 1802 01:28:29,695 --> 01:28:33,003 A woman in a man's space, speaking up and running a team, 1803 01:28:33,177 --> 01:28:35,614 but also a woman in a man's space saying, 1804 01:28:35,788 --> 01:28:36,920 "Run me my money." 1805 01:28:38,138 --> 01:28:41,098 So Bill Veeck brings in Larry Doby. 1806 01:28:41,664 --> 01:28:44,275 He also will bring in Satchel Paige. 1807 01:28:44,928 --> 01:28:47,757 Paige is pretty old by that time, 1808 01:28:48,279 --> 01:28:49,759 but he comes in, 1809 01:28:50,281 --> 01:28:54,111 he sets attendance records in his first three games, 1810 01:28:54,285 --> 01:28:55,852 and he can still pitch. 1811 01:28:56,026 --> 01:28:57,854 Announcer 1: Lou Boudreau goes to the mound, 1812 01:28:58,028 --> 01:28:59,508 that's all for Christopher and it's gonna be Satchel Paige. 1813 01:28:59,682 --> 01:29:01,336 And here's the announcement 1814 01:29:01,510 --> 01:29:03,381 about the appearance of Satchel Paige. Listen. 1815 01:29:03,555 --> 01:29:05,296 Announcer 2: Satchel Paige! 1816 01:29:08,386 --> 01:29:09,648 And he will pitch in relief, 1817 01:29:09,822 --> 01:29:11,433 he will pitch in the World Series, 1818 01:29:11,607 --> 01:29:13,043 and the Indians will win. 1819 01:29:21,878 --> 01:29:24,881 That was the death knell of Negro League Baseball. 1820 01:29:26,752 --> 01:29:28,232 When they signed the Black players, 1821 01:29:28,406 --> 01:29:30,147 the people that had been coming 1822 01:29:30,321 --> 01:29:33,803 to Griffith Stadium in Washington to see us play, 1823 01:29:33,977 --> 01:29:36,458 and in Yankee Stadium to see us play, 1824 01:29:37,154 --> 01:29:40,113 now, they want to see Jackie play. 1825 01:29:41,245 --> 01:29:42,899 The interest in the Negro League 1826 01:29:43,073 --> 01:29:44,596 really fell off. 1827 01:29:44,901 --> 01:29:46,642 So they found out that they couldn't continue 1828 01:29:46,816 --> 01:29:48,121 to pay the salaries. 1829 01:29:48,295 --> 01:29:50,254 And, you know, all those favorite fans 1830 01:29:50,428 --> 01:29:54,389 now were going to see players that had just been called up. 1831 01:29:56,303 --> 01:29:57,740 Integration took place, 1832 01:29:57,914 --> 01:30:01,613 and I begged Abe to quit the next year 1833 01:30:01,787 --> 01:30:04,442 because we dropped another 20,000 dollars. 1834 01:30:04,616 --> 01:30:06,096 I mean, the fans deserted us 1835 01:30:06,270 --> 01:30:08,446 to go see the boys on the White team. 1836 01:30:08,620 --> 01:30:12,450 Deserted us like they say rats desert a ship.[chuckling] 1837 01:30:15,061 --> 01:30:16,367 Bob M: With the onset of integration 1838 01:30:16,541 --> 01:30:18,151 in the great American pastime, 1839 01:30:19,065 --> 01:30:21,067 the once-prosperous Negro National League 1840 01:30:21,241 --> 01:30:24,070 in the East folded in 1948. 1841 01:30:24,854 --> 01:30:27,334 Only the Negro American League in the Midwest was left 1842 01:30:27,509 --> 01:30:30,250 to hold down the fort of Black baseball. 1843 01:30:32,339 --> 01:30:34,429 So on the East Coast primarily 1844 01:30:34,603 --> 01:30:38,302 is where you saw that really quick downfall. 1845 01:30:38,476 --> 01:30:40,391 Effa called it "Jackie Robinson Country" 1846 01:30:40,565 --> 01:30:42,828 because where she was playing in Newark, like, you know, 1847 01:30:43,002 --> 01:30:46,049 her fans could just catch a train and go see Jackie. 1848 01:30:46,266 --> 01:30:48,834 When people have one option, or you know, 1849 01:30:49,008 --> 01:30:50,445 they don't have money to go to multiple games, 1850 01:30:50,619 --> 01:30:52,272 they're choosing to go see Jackie. 1851 01:30:52,447 --> 01:30:54,579 Why am I going to go see the segregated ballclub 1852 01:30:54,753 --> 01:30:56,407 that was born of Jim Crow 1853 01:30:56,581 --> 01:30:58,453 and represent segregation and all of these things, 1854 01:30:58,627 --> 01:31:00,890 when I can go see Jackie? He's the hope. He's the future. 1855 01:31:04,154 --> 01:31:05,982 One of the questions I get asked all the time 1856 01:31:06,156 --> 01:31:09,202 about integration is, "Layton, wasn't it wonderful 1857 01:31:09,376 --> 01:31:12,118 that when Jackie Robinson got called up, 1858 01:31:12,292 --> 01:31:15,731 that it opened up baseball for all the Black ballplayers?" 1859 01:31:16,122 --> 01:31:18,342 And I said, "If you talk to the ballplayers themselves, 1860 01:31:18,516 --> 01:31:19,691 the answer is no." 1861 01:31:20,300 --> 01:31:22,825 Is... If you were an impact ballplayer 1862 01:31:22,999 --> 01:31:25,828 like Larry Doby, or Roy Campanella, 1863 01:31:26,002 --> 01:31:28,744 or Don Newcombe, or a Jackie Robinson, 1864 01:31:28,918 --> 01:31:30,310 there was gonna be a chance 1865 01:31:30,485 --> 01:31:32,051 that you could play in organized baseball. 1866 01:31:32,225 --> 01:31:34,750 But for the average Negro League ballplayer, no. 1867 01:31:35,446 --> 01:31:39,102 I knew that everybody couldn't be the same 1868 01:31:39,276 --> 01:31:41,583 and be that at the same time. 1869 01:31:42,105 --> 01:31:44,411 It's a lack of opportunities, that's all. 1870 01:31:45,848 --> 01:31:47,327 But we had ballplayers 1871 01:31:47,502 --> 01:31:48,764 that could have played in the Major Leagues 1872 01:31:48,938 --> 01:31:50,809 when they first started playing. 1873 01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:52,855 But they didn't get the chance. 1874 01:31:54,247 --> 01:31:55,684 Willie Wells, 1875 01:31:56,206 --> 01:31:58,208 there ain't no baseball player in Major League Baseball, 1876 01:31:58,382 --> 01:32:00,645 no better ballplayer shortstop than Willie Wells. 1877 01:32:00,950 --> 01:32:04,475 Raymond Dandridge... ...Josh Gibson. 1878 01:32:06,129 --> 01:32:08,566 Josh Gibson was always in the conversation 1879 01:32:08,740 --> 01:32:10,742 about this vision some day 1880 01:32:10,916 --> 01:32:12,439 of Black players playing in the Major Leagues 1881 01:32:12,962 --> 01:32:14,746 because, by the mid-1930s, 1882 01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:16,356 he was considered the greatest hitter 1883 01:32:16,531 --> 01:32:17,749 in Black baseball, 1884 01:32:18,054 --> 01:32:19,142 and people who had seen him play would say, like, 1885 01:32:19,316 --> 01:32:21,144 "He's greater than Babe Ruth." 1886 01:32:21,536 --> 01:32:23,407 But in fact, Wendell Smith himself, 1887 01:32:23,581 --> 01:32:25,540 and some of the other top Black sportswriters, 1888 01:32:25,714 --> 01:32:31,023 had actually stopped advocating for Josh Gibson by the 1940s 1889 01:32:31,197 --> 01:32:33,330 because they thought he had too many demons. 1890 01:32:33,678 --> 01:32:34,897 According to the family, 1891 01:32:35,375 --> 01:32:37,987 Josh was diagnosed with a brain tumor. 1892 01:32:38,770 --> 01:32:41,556 And it took a toll on him, physically and mentally. 1893 01:32:42,382 --> 01:32:45,734 He lost his sense of who he was and control 1894 01:32:45,908 --> 01:32:48,998 and was found wandering around the streets of San Juan. 1895 01:32:50,260 --> 01:32:52,741 And he passed not long after that. 1896 01:32:53,698 --> 01:32:57,963 And it was a very, very sad ending for someone who, 1897 01:32:58,137 --> 01:32:59,617 anybody who saw him play, 1898 01:32:59,791 --> 01:33:01,184 said this was one of the greatest players 1899 01:33:01,358 --> 01:33:02,446 who ever played the game. 1900 01:33:08,974 --> 01:33:10,672 There were still attempts to keep going, 1901 01:33:10,846 --> 01:33:12,499 to keep playing. And even into the '50s, 1902 01:33:12,674 --> 01:33:14,676 there were some players that were being recruited. 1903 01:33:15,111 --> 01:33:17,113 Henry Aaron was playing on a Black team 1904 01:33:17,287 --> 01:33:18,767 when he was recruited, 1905 01:33:19,115 --> 01:33:22,379 and we saw all kinds of efforts to bring in more ticket sales, 1906 01:33:22,553 --> 01:33:24,642 like the signing of women to play games. 1907 01:33:26,775 --> 01:33:29,081 There's good baseball being played by Negro Leaguers, 1908 01:33:29,255 --> 01:33:33,695 and the league itself persists down to 1960. 1909 01:33:34,260 --> 01:33:38,569 But it's not anywhere near the quality of baseball played 1910 01:33:38,743 --> 01:33:40,702 when the Negro Leagues were at their height. 1911 01:33:45,010 --> 01:33:46,621 I don't know if it was apparent at first, 1912 01:33:46,795 --> 01:33:49,536 but I think over time the loss of the Negro Leagues 1913 01:33:49,711 --> 01:33:52,322 began to be more felt, 1914 01:33:52,670 --> 01:33:54,324 and that people began to understand 1915 01:33:54,498 --> 01:33:55,673 that the loss of the Negro Leagues 1916 01:33:55,847 --> 01:33:57,719 was something significant. 1917 01:33:59,024 --> 01:34:02,724 It was felt in many ways that were tangible. 1918 01:34:02,985 --> 01:34:05,422 You know, when we start talking about all of the people 1919 01:34:05,596 --> 01:34:07,337 that it takes to make a team run, 1920 01:34:07,511 --> 01:34:10,122 whether we're talking about bus drivers, or, you know, 1921 01:34:10,296 --> 01:34:12,516 people working concessions or taking tickets, 1922 01:34:12,690 --> 01:34:14,474 all of those people typically came 1923 01:34:14,649 --> 01:34:16,172 from within that Black community. 1924 01:34:17,695 --> 01:34:19,958 But then, there's also the intangible, 1925 01:34:20,132 --> 01:34:22,004 of in the midst of all of the stuff 1926 01:34:22,178 --> 01:34:24,746 that we have to deal with as Black people in this society, 1927 01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:26,312 this place where we can go, 1928 01:34:26,486 --> 01:34:28,140 where we can get dressed to the nines, 1929 01:34:28,314 --> 01:34:29,881 where we can hang out, 1930 01:34:30,055 --> 01:34:31,666 where we can root for our favorite players 1931 01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:35,017 and are free to just be us without the White gaze. 1932 01:34:35,191 --> 01:34:36,366 They lost that too. 1933 01:34:37,976 --> 01:34:40,979 What happened was starting in the '50s, 1934 01:34:41,153 --> 01:34:43,199 a lot of the Black folks, 1935 01:34:43,373 --> 01:34:45,941 who had the opportunity to leave those communities 1936 01:34:46,115 --> 01:34:49,771 to go to college, to rise within White professions, 1937 01:34:49,945 --> 01:34:53,122 did so, and they left 1938 01:34:53,688 --> 01:34:55,907 folks who were stuck in those communities 1939 01:34:56,081 --> 01:34:57,561 to be on their own 1940 01:34:57,996 --> 01:34:59,737 at a time when they were more vulnerable than ever, 1941 01:35:00,346 --> 01:35:02,914 as a result of the declining industries, 1942 01:35:03,088 --> 01:35:06,526 as a result of the devastating impact of urban renewal. 1943 01:35:07,136 --> 01:35:10,139 These housing projects and highway projects. 1944 01:35:10,617 --> 01:35:13,664 So the demise of the Negro Leagues 1945 01:35:13,969 --> 01:35:17,537 foreshadows a larger crisis 1946 01:35:17,712 --> 01:35:19,931 for Black America in those communities. 1947 01:35:21,324 --> 01:35:23,195 You look at just the Crawford Grill 1948 01:35:23,369 --> 01:35:27,069 and across the street is a Black barbershop. 1949 01:35:27,417 --> 01:35:28,940 And it's fascinating 1950 01:35:29,114 --> 01:35:31,769 after the integration of Major Leagues, 1951 01:35:32,074 --> 01:35:34,859 you see the deterioration. 1952 01:35:36,643 --> 01:35:40,560 It's just devastating to the Black community. 1953 01:35:42,475 --> 01:35:44,216 Bob K: When we talk about integration, 1954 01:35:44,434 --> 01:35:49,134 it was good morally, it was good socially, 1955 01:35:49,787 --> 01:35:51,441 and it moved us in ways 1956 01:35:51,615 --> 01:35:54,357 in which we probably never, ever dreamed possible. 1957 01:35:55,967 --> 01:35:58,535 But that progress came at a cost. 1958 01:36:02,757 --> 01:36:06,673 The enduring importance of the Negro Leagues is the fact 1959 01:36:06,848 --> 01:36:09,285 that we can do this thing on our own. 1960 01:36:09,459 --> 01:36:10,982 I'm not saying we should. 1961 01:36:11,156 --> 01:36:13,071 I'm not saying that we should go off in a corner 1962 01:36:13,245 --> 01:36:15,160 and, you know, build our own teams and leagues 1963 01:36:15,334 --> 01:36:17,946 and recreate Negro Leagues baseball. 1964 01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:19,164 But we can. 1965 01:36:20,035 --> 01:36:23,865 We know, and White baseball should know as well, 1966 01:36:24,039 --> 01:36:26,868 that we're capable 'cause we already did the thing. 1967 01:36:28,783 --> 01:36:31,133 Boom. Out toward straight center. 1968 01:36:31,437 --> 01:36:34,963 Willie Mays catches it, 450 feet. 1969 01:36:35,137 --> 01:36:37,704 Say, hey, Willie, was that a catch! 1970 01:36:37,879 --> 01:36:40,272 Would baseball be baseball today 1971 01:36:40,446 --> 01:36:42,797 without Willie Mays from the Birmingham Black Barons 1972 01:36:43,275 --> 01:36:46,017 or Ernie Banks from the Kansas City Monarchs? 1973 01:36:48,846 --> 01:36:52,241 The Negro Leagues brought a new dynamic to the game. 1974 01:36:52,415 --> 01:36:54,765 It made the game a better version of itself. 1975 01:36:55,026 --> 01:36:56,811 By the '60s and '70s, 1976 01:36:57,028 --> 01:36:59,161 guys who had not played in the Negro Leagues 1977 01:36:59,639 --> 01:37:03,339 come on the scene in what really was the heyday of Black baseball 1978 01:37:03,513 --> 01:37:04,993 in the Majors. 1979 01:37:05,167 --> 01:37:06,690 Hank Robinson jockeys the count 1980 01:37:06,864 --> 01:37:07,952 to three and two, before he gets his pitch 1981 01:37:08,474 --> 01:37:10,476 Players like Frank Robinson 1982 01:37:10,650 --> 01:37:12,652 excelled at every level of the game. 1983 01:37:12,827 --> 01:37:15,220 Like Rube Foster, he was a star player, 1984 01:37:15,394 --> 01:37:18,049 a manager, and a baseball executive. 1985 01:37:18,528 --> 01:37:21,183 Bob Gibson was the greatest Black pitcher 1986 01:37:21,748 --> 01:37:23,185 since Satchel Paige. 1987 01:37:23,576 --> 01:37:25,970 And Reggie Jackson, like Josh Gibson, 1988 01:37:26,144 --> 01:37:29,191 who is one of the most feared sluggers in baseball history. 1989 01:37:31,193 --> 01:37:34,239 Black and Latin players made it a very different game, 1990 01:37:34,413 --> 01:37:36,372 and with their success on the field, 1991 01:37:36,546 --> 01:37:38,156 there was no turning back. 1992 01:37:38,330 --> 01:37:40,985 Upton steals home! 1993 01:37:41,159 --> 01:37:43,466 Bob M: On April 8th, 1974, 1994 01:37:43,945 --> 01:37:45,555 Hank Aaron broke Babe Ruth's record, 1995 01:37:45,729 --> 01:37:47,513 one of the most sacred in baseball, 1996 01:37:47,687 --> 01:37:51,213 hitting his 715th home run in the Major Leagues. 1997 01:37:51,387 --> 01:37:53,911 Swinging and there's a drive into left-center field, 1998 01:37:54,085 --> 01:37:56,000 that ball is out of here! 1999 01:37:56,174 --> 01:37:57,784 It's 715, 2000 01:37:58,002 --> 01:38:00,831 there is a new home run champion of all time, 2001 01:38:01,179 --> 01:38:02,528 and it's Henry Aaron! 2002 01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:04,574 Hank Aaron once said, 2003 01:38:04,879 --> 01:38:07,055 "My abilities are only limited by the lack of opportunity." 2004 01:38:07,316 --> 01:38:08,883 And once he got that opportunity, 2005 01:38:09,274 --> 01:38:11,320 he made an assault on Ruth's record. 2006 01:38:11,711 --> 01:38:15,150 Henry Aaron, the home run king of all time... 2007 01:38:15,324 --> 01:38:16,760 So let's keep in mind 2008 01:38:17,108 --> 01:38:19,284 that Babe Ruth never hit a home run off a Black pitcher. 2009 01:38:19,458 --> 01:38:21,678 His record was set in apartheid baseball, 2010 01:38:21,852 --> 01:38:24,594 which makes Hank Aaron's record more valuable. 2011 01:38:24,811 --> 01:38:26,291 His record was set 2012 01:38:26,465 --> 01:38:28,598 against the best pitchers on the planet. 2013 01:38:29,686 --> 01:38:31,688 Bob M: Following years of pressure from the public, 2014 01:38:32,210 --> 01:38:33,733 Satchel Paige became the first player 2015 01:38:33,908 --> 01:38:36,084 to be inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame 2016 01:38:36,258 --> 01:38:38,782 based on his record in the Negro Leagues. 2017 01:38:39,217 --> 01:38:41,567 I am the proudest man on Earth right today, 2018 01:38:41,741 --> 01:38:44,396 and I know my wife is. 2019 01:38:46,790 --> 01:38:48,139 Bob M: The following year, 2020 01:38:48,531 --> 01:38:50,446 he was joined by Buck Leonard and Josh Gibson, 2021 01:38:50,620 --> 01:38:52,491 and then "Cool Papa" Bell. 2022 01:38:52,752 --> 01:38:55,364 Many more would follow, including Rube Foster, 2023 01:38:55,625 --> 01:38:58,193 Effa Manley, and Cumberland Posey. 2024 01:38:59,020 --> 01:39:01,065 It's hard to do too much for pioneers. 2025 01:39:01,239 --> 01:39:03,372 I think, you know, we stand on their shoulders, 2026 01:39:03,546 --> 01:39:06,636 and we know it. They paved the way for us, 2027 01:39:06,941 --> 01:39:09,595 and we should have a lasting gratitude toward them. 2028 01:39:10,901 --> 01:39:13,469 Bob K: The Negro League players themselves, 2029 01:39:13,773 --> 01:39:15,993 they had no idea they were making history. 2030 01:39:16,428 --> 01:39:18,735 Man, they didn't care about making no history. 2031 01:39:18,909 --> 01:39:23,522 They just wanted to play ball. But the pride, the passion, 2032 01:39:24,349 --> 01:39:26,699 the courage that they demonstrated 2033 01:39:26,873 --> 01:39:28,701 in the face of adversity. 2034 01:39:29,267 --> 01:39:35,143 To overcome the adversity transcends race, transcends age, 2035 01:39:35,317 --> 01:39:38,189 transcends gender. And that's the real story. 2036 01:40:31,677 --> 01:40:32,983 It was in my blood. 2037 01:40:33,244 --> 01:40:35,159 It'’s still in my blood to be an umpire. 2038 01:40:35,855 --> 01:40:38,684 You call a player safe, it just get all over ya. 2039 01:40:38,858 --> 01:40:41,426 You call a player out, it just get all over ya. 2040 01:40:41,731 --> 01:40:43,733 It's just like a... in heaven. 162721

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