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**
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-You know somebody's successful
in this business
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when they've got
a lot of job titles.
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My guest today,
well, they're one of them.
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She's a writer, producer, actor,
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business mentor,
content creator,
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and is on her way to becoming --
can I say it?
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I feel like I should -- a mogul.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
please welcome Issa Rae.
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Holy shit.
-Wow. One take.
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-Holy -- I mean...
-You are a professional.
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-Is it not amazing?
-Wow. Hello.
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-Hurry up and sit down
'cause you taller than me.
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-Okay.
-Hurry up and sit down.
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Welcome.
I'm excited about this one.
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-I'm very excited.
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Thank you so much
for having me on.
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-I'm, like, really excited
about this one.
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-This is an impressive set.
I just got to say that.
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-You like the set?
-Yeah, I do.
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-What do you like about it?
-It just has so much depth.
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-Yeah. Yeah.
-It's just like...
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-Yeah.
-...wow.
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I'm really in a wine cellar.
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-Well, I'mma to take you there.
-Okay.
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-That's the thing
about being on this show.
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I'm gonna take you
on a full experience, right?
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-I'm here.
-By the way,
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your level of comfort
has to come
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from the environment
that you're in.
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That's what this
is based off of.
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-Okay.
-You do know that?
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-I'm always comfortable
around bottles of wine.
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-Okay. Well, then we're
about to have a good time.
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Issa, I want to welcome you
to "Hart to Heart."
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-Thank you.
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-I hope you know what we do
on this show.
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If you do not, I'll give you
a brief description.
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We have real conversations,
great conversations.
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But these conversations happen
over an amazing glass of wine.
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Right?
I think over a glass of wine,
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amazing conversations happen.
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And that's what I can only
hope that'll happen today.
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That being said,
let me get my somm out here.
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Look at this.
-Hi!
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-Hello, hello.
-Oh, snap.
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-Mm-hmm.
-Mr. Hart, Mrs. Rae.
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So from the cellar today --
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Central Otago, South Island,
New Zealand, Pinot Noir.
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For Mrs. Rae, we've got
a beautiful champagne,
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Champagne France, rosé,
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Pinot Noir, Pinot Meunier,
as well as Chardonnay.
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-And it's Black-owned.
-Yes it is.
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-I love it.
-Both. Both.
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-Let's go. Come on.
-Absolutely.
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Mr. Hart, may I pour her first?
-Absolutely. Absolutely.
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-And would you care for some
of the Pinot Noir, as well?
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-You know what?
Fuck it. Yeah.
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Let's go bold.
-Ain't nothing better
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than somebody with a problem
that's okay with it.
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That's the best --
Somebody's that's got a problem
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and looks you dead in the eye
and says, "Fuck it.
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It's gonna be
what it's gonna be."
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I'm gonna do --
I'm gonna do me."
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-Okay.
-Give me a chance.
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-Please enjoy both --
once again, Pinot Chardonnay
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and Pinot Meunier,
but 100% Pinot Noir,
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elegant, lifted, bright, floral.
-Get in there.
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-And look for a little bit
of toasted brioche on this.
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-Not toasted brioche.
-Absolutely.
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Please enjoy.
-I will.
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-Which one do you want?
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Which one you want
to go with first?
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-I want to go with this first,
a little bubbly.
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He's so articulate.
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That's what you have to do
in sommelier school.
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You have to be articulate.
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-Well, you have to know
not only the meaning
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of all the things
they're talking about,
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but you got to be able
to pronounce it.
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-Well, I failed.
-Cheers.
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-Cheers.
-To you being on the show.
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Issa, I'm gonna take a sip, man,
and then I'mma start.
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I got a lot of questions
for you, a lot of questions.
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-Okay.
-Alright?
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That's good.
I don't even drink champagne.
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-It's very good. I'm sorry.
I forgot to mention that.
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I was already --
I love it.
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-No, I don't even drink
champagne, but that's good.
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Alright, my biggest thing
for you
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is the understanding
that I have of you.
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And I feel like today
I get to walk away
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with a much different
understanding,
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because this is our first time
having, like,
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an in-depth conversation, right?
-Yeah.
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-From Los Angeles.
-Yep.
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-Inglewood?
-From L.A.
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I'm from View Park,
but, you know,
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I was born
in Inglewood Hospital.
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-Okay.
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-And my grandparents
live in Inglewood.
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A lot of people think
I'm from Inglewood,
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but I'm from South L.A.
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-Here's what I love the most
about you
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that I've seen from afar
and I'm starting to see more of.
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It's not just about
where you're from,
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it's about the changes
that you are very adamant
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about making from the places
you grew up in.
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You're very serious
about your culture.
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You're very serious
about uplifting
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and creating opportunities
for your people,
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especially in the places
you come from, right?
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"I want to see change here."
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Was that a thing
that was always there?
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-The "I want to see change here"
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was a thing
that was always there.
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For me initially, because
I didn't know any better,
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it came from
in front of the camera.
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It came from, like, the images
that I wanted to see
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just because I had --
I had seen them.
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I had grown up on them,
so I knew it was possible.
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And so then when it was taken
away when I was watching TV
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in, like, high school
and college, movies,
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I was like, "Where's all
this stuff that I grew up on?"
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Like, you know,
"Where are these stories,
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and why is it just kind of
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the same narrative
that's being shown?
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I know we're more than this."
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And so, like, even creating
was born out of a frustration.
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And then when I did that online
and started making the content,
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I was like, "Oh, there are
all these other jobs."
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And initially it just came
from my circle.
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Like, these are
the people I know,
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and so they're helping me
to make this.
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They happened to be Black
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because most of my friends
are Black.
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And then, you know,
then by extension,
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we're bringing on,
you know, more diverse crew.
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And then it wasn't until
I would work on
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smaller things, other sets,
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and I'd be like,
"Damn, this is like..."
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I didn't realize
how rare this is
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to work with other
people of color.
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Like, Hollywood is very,
very white behind the camera.
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And so then it became like,
"Well, if I get my own show,
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like, I still want
to replicate this,
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'cause I see that it's a rarity.
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And why not?
'Cause I can."
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-How did you figure it out,
though?
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How did you figure out
the development space
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of "Awkward Black Girl"?
Right?
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Like you said, you came up,
you wanted to act.
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You knew that that's what
you wanted to do.
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But a lot of people
struggle with the,
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"Well, what's my entry?"
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You were a hot commodity
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just in the next version
of a thing.
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"This girl is a star.
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Like, oh, my God,
you got to watch this girl."
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Like, creating that
and then developing that,
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like, where did
that understanding come from?
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Was that college that gave you
that knowledge?
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-Yeah, a little bit.
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I mean, not for myself,
in particular.
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But, like, people don't know
that "Awkward Black Girl"
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was, like, the third
web series that I made.
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It was the third attempt.
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And it's the only one
that I was in.
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The first two that I made,
you know,
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I wrote and directed them,
edited them,
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all those things, you know,
that you're doing
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when you're making
online content yourself.
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And, you know, the first one
I did do in college,
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and that was starring
my friends,
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and I loved the response
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that that got just
from college to college.
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And, you know, it was about
being Black at Stanford,
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called "Dorm Diaries."
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And that was like, "Oh, okay.
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I made something
that people like,
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and it's spreading
beyond my friend group.
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This is dope."
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And I just made it online,
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and then I still wanted
to sell it to TV.
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So I was trying to, like, reach
into my network to be like,
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"Hey, I made this show.
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People really like it online.
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It's only like 500
to 1,000 people,
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but, you know, it's something."
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And they didn't want it.
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So then I created
my second show after that,
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and it was starring my brother
and his friend group.
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And that was something
I took more seriously online
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where I was like,
"I'm gonna release it every week
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and build a following there."
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And I started to learn
the tools of, like, you know,
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you can't make content
that's too long online.
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You have to catch
people's attention.
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You have to be consistent.
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So I started developing
those skills
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so by the time
I did "Awkward Black Girl"
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and put myself in it,
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even though I was scared
as hell to put myself in it --
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-Why? Why didn't you put
yourself in the other ones?
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-Well, by that time,
I was just like,
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"I like to write and direct."
-Okay.
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-'Cause I had gone
to a school that --
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You know, like, the plays
and stuff where I had been --
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I went to a predominantly
Black and Latino high school,
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so, like, the plays were for us.
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I was in all of those.
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Well, by the time
I got to college,
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it was a predominantly
white college.
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Like, there were no roles.
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They weren't making stuff
for us,
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so I had no interest
in the same way.
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And so it came -- like, my
directing and writing came from,
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like, "Oh, I'm gonna make it.
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I will create, like, a play that
features us," or whatever it is.
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And so by the time "Awkward
Black Girl" came around,
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I didn't want to feature myself
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because I didn't have
the same confidence anymore.
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I'd been working with actors,
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and also, you know,
I had someone else in mind.
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Like, I wrote it
with somebody else in mind.
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And then that person
couldn't do it
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'cause she was in law school.
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I was in L.A.
She was in D.C.
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And so I just felt like
I was running out of time,
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so I was like,
"Let me just be in it."
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-"Fuck it. I'm gonna do it."
-Yeah, exactly.
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-That's crazy that
you didn't have the want
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for the in-front-of-the-camera
success stuff.
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Like, your -- your wishes were,
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"I want to be a creative,
write, direct.
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And that's my wheelhouse.
That's what I'm gonna be."
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The discovery now comes in
your talent in your own series.
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When did that snap in, like --
when did you tap into
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the understanding
that you were good?
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-I don't know that
that's ever set in.
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I know that I've had moments
where I was like,
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"Oh, I did that."
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But there's never been,
like, a --
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as far as, like, the acting
as the forefront, like,
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even I don't identify
as an actress first.
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I identify as a writer,
producer, creator,
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and then the acting --
-But you are.
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-I enjoy it.
Yeah, sure, yes.
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-It's not "sure."
You are.
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-I -- And I enjoy it.
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-I just want you to know
that you are.
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You can't just bypass that
and act as if you're not
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when you have several things
under your umbrella that --
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-I am an actress and I act,
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but that's not, like,
what drives me.
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What drives me is,
like, creating.
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And I have fun, for sure.
-Got it.
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-But, like, there's nothing
more satisfying to me
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than having an idea and then
making that shit happen.
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-Alright, on that note,
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we are going to take
a quick commercial break.
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Guys, we'll be right back with
more "Hart to Heart" after this.
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-Welcome back
to "Hart to Heart."
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I'm sitting here with Issa Rae.
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I think that's the dopest thing
about what you're talking about.
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It's like the not knowing how
to do it and the figuring it out
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and the completion
of figuring it out
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and then seeing it move on
and grow to be something else.
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So even though
you're talking about
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just the first couple
of web series
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and then
the "Awkward Black Girl" came,
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alright, shit, this comes
and now progresses
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and now has a following.
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Wow. You're --
You're being sought after.
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There's another conversation
to be had now.
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It looks as if this thing
is going to propel you
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to the next stage
of entertainment.
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-Yeah.
-What was that moment?
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-When I found out
that I was gonna --
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that I was gonna go
to this next level?
283
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Oh, my God.
It came in --
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You know, you have --
You know.
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You have so many moments
where it's like,
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"Oh, this about to be it,"
and then it's not.
287
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So I had a couple of those
moments just by interactions.
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Sometime -- You know, when I had
the opportunity with Pharrell
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and he picked up
our second season,
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I was like, "Oh,
this is opening me up
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to so many other people
to watch the show,
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to watch our little web series."
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And then through that, because
he funded the second season,
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we got reviewed
in "Rolling Stone."
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And then "Rolling Stone"
was seen by Shonda Rhimes.
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And then, you know,
they saw that --
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her company, Shondaland,
saw that review,
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and then I got the opportunity
to create, like,
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one of their first
comedy pilots.
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And that was like, "Wow,
this is my television hero."
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There's no Black women --
-I was gonna say, like,
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what is the Shonda Rhimes of it
all for you at that moment?
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Like, you are --
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-She really --
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In the same way
that I didn't know that,
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oh, like, when I shoot
"Awkward Black Girl,"
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there's hella people,
there's so many jobs,
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I didn't really know
what a showrunner was.
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I knew that people wrote
for television.
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I knew that there were
writers' rooms to an extent.
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But to see a successful
Black woman running a show,
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having a successful series
like "Grey's Anatomy," then --
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-But, like, really...
-Like, really successful...
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-...like, running the shit.
-...running the shit.
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And, like, I didn't know
even what that entailed
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until, you know, I did it.
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And then I was like,
"Oh, my God.
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She is really killing it."
319
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But that was just, like,
sometimes you don't know
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what you want to achieve
until you see it.
321
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And I felt like she was
very much that for me.
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And so by the time
they called me in,
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she had "Scandal"
and "Grey's Anatomy" on the air.
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And they were both hit shows.
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And so for me seeing her,
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immediately after
our first meeting,
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I did that thing
where I was like,
328
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"Can I get a picture with you?"
Like...
329
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And it was all the things
you shouldn't do,
330
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but, you know,
that's how I felt about her.
331
00:12:06,747 --> 00:12:08,666
-What's your relationship
with Shonda now?
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-She's, like, just a mentor,
in a way.
333
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And she's just -- she shows
love, and I'm still a fan.
334
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And she's always
been supportive.
335
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-Have you been able to sit down,
pick her brain?
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Like, I mean, after that stage,
later on,
337
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I mean,
you get to where you are now,
338
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have you ever tried
to double back
339
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and have the conversations,
of course, and say,
340
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"Wow, that moment was for me"?
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-In group settings.
But you know what I've realized?
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And this is --
I forget who I have access to.
343
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Even talking to you sometimes,
I'm like...
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-I've gotten mad at you before.
345
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-I know, because I don't like
to ask people for help.
346
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And everybody's busy.
You're doing 70 million things.
347
00:12:43,409 --> 00:12:44,660
Ava's doing 70 million things.
348
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Shonda's doing
70 million things.
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Recently, like, just on some --
whatever stuff, like,
350
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I hit up Diddy, like, 'cause
I was going through something,
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and it just popped in my head.
352
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I was gonna hit him
for something else,
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something, like, social related.
354
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And I was going through
something business-wise,
355
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and I was like,
"This man literally does
356
00:13:02,511 --> 00:13:05,347
so many of the things
that I do and aspire to do.
357
00:13:05,389 --> 00:13:07,975
I'm having this dilemma.
Let me just ask him."
358
00:13:08,017 --> 00:13:09,769
And then it, like --
And then the advice
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that he gave me
and the wheelhouse
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was, like, exactly
what I needed at the time.
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And I was like,
"Why don't I do this more?"
362
00:13:15,066 --> 00:13:18,319
So short answer, no,
but I will, and I want to.
363
00:13:18,361 --> 00:13:21,530
-"Long story short, Kevin,
no, I haven't."
364
00:13:21,572 --> 00:13:22,823
-No, I have not.
365
00:13:22,865 --> 00:13:24,200
-That's like
the most important thing
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that I feel people
don't tap into enough.
367
00:13:27,244 --> 00:13:28,788
-But who do you tap into?
-Everybody.
368
00:13:28,829 --> 00:13:30,206
-No.
No, I don't believe it.
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00:13:30,247 --> 00:13:33,084
-I'm 1,000% telling you
the truth. Everybody.
370
00:13:33,125 --> 00:13:36,545
-That you literally ask someone,
"Hey, what do I do for advice?"
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-Everybody.
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00:13:38,631 --> 00:13:40,091
-But not everybody.
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For people who you know
are very, very busy.
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-Everybody.
375
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-Alright, fine.
I hear you.
376
00:13:47,223 --> 00:13:48,933
-There is not one person
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00:13:48,974 --> 00:13:51,769
that will not take your call
when you're looking for --
378
00:13:51,811 --> 00:13:53,521
-That's not true.
-No, it's not.
379
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You think that,
and that's what the problem is.
380
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Like, people are in their
own way because they're --
381
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You have the assumption
that you're gonna think,
382
00:14:01,904 --> 00:14:03,614
and I don't want you to think.
383
00:14:03,656 --> 00:14:04,740
It's all based off of a thought.
384
00:14:04,782 --> 00:14:06,575
Like, you're creating a reaction
385
00:14:06,617 --> 00:14:08,119
that hasn't even been had.
386
00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,247
So 9 times out of 10,
if you really do reach out,
387
00:14:11,288 --> 00:14:14,083
you'll be surprised
how many people will go, "Hey!
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00:14:14,125 --> 00:14:15,751
Oh, my God. Yo, it's crazy
that you called me.
389
00:14:15,793 --> 00:14:17,586
I'm a big fan,
and I just want to say
390
00:14:17,628 --> 00:14:18,796
I love the work
that you're doing.
391
00:14:18,838 --> 00:14:20,089
What's up?
What's going on?"
392
00:14:20,131 --> 00:14:23,134
Like, there's a synergy
that's lost
393
00:14:23,175 --> 00:14:25,720
because so many people
stopped networking.
394
00:14:25,761 --> 00:14:27,263
So many people stopped --
395
00:14:27,304 --> 00:14:28,973
-Because you don't know
if people are genuine, either.
396
00:14:29,014 --> 00:14:31,100
I mean, you've extended that,
like, credit to you.
397
00:14:31,142 --> 00:14:32,768
Like, even in talking to you,
you've just been like,
398
00:14:32,810 --> 00:14:35,771
"Hit me, hit me," and I'm like,
"This nigga busy. He lying."
399
00:14:35,813 --> 00:14:37,440
-You told me one time,
"No, Kev."
400
00:14:37,481 --> 00:14:38,774
You told me one time, you said,
401
00:14:38,816 --> 00:14:40,109
"I hit you,
and you ain't hit me back."
402
00:14:40,151 --> 00:14:41,610
I was like, "Alright,
that's one time."
403
00:14:41,652 --> 00:14:42,987
I was like, "Damn!"
404
00:14:43,029 --> 00:14:44,655
I was like, "So it's over?
What do you mean?"
405
00:14:44,697 --> 00:14:45,990
I said, "It was one time.
406
00:14:46,032 --> 00:14:47,658
I was shooting.
I was out the country."
407
00:14:47,700 --> 00:14:50,244
You were like "Alright, nah,
Kev, you be saying that shit,
408
00:14:50,286 --> 00:14:51,287
but I hit you one time."
409
00:14:51,328 --> 00:14:52,788
I was like,
"It was one time, Issa."
410
00:14:52,830 --> 00:14:54,457
-That sounds like me.
411
00:14:54,498 --> 00:14:56,917
I was saying, I respect these
people so much, and that's why.
412
00:14:56,959 --> 00:14:59,962
-But there's also in return
a high level of respect.
413
00:15:00,004 --> 00:15:02,882
I mean, I'm sitting here
talking to you now.
414
00:15:02,923 --> 00:15:04,467
I'm more of a fan.
415
00:15:04,508 --> 00:15:09,055
I'm more of a guy that's like,
"Yo, I want to talk to her
416
00:15:09,096 --> 00:15:11,223
because I want to fucking know
what's going on.
417
00:15:11,265 --> 00:15:14,643
I want to hear her talk
about her journey," et cetera.
418
00:15:14,685 --> 00:15:16,187
But it's more of a fan.
419
00:15:16,228 --> 00:15:19,190
You'd be surprised,
like, how much --
420
00:15:19,231 --> 00:15:21,984
how much people forget
that that exists.
421
00:15:22,026 --> 00:15:24,779
Right now, you're talking
about "Awkward Black Girl."
422
00:15:24,820 --> 00:15:27,198
I love the story.
I like that it started here.
423
00:15:27,239 --> 00:15:28,991
And that's how you got
to "Insecure."
424
00:15:29,033 --> 00:15:30,326
But I don't know
what happened in between.
425
00:15:30,368 --> 00:15:32,495
So I'm here as a fan,
how the fuck --
426
00:15:32,536 --> 00:15:36,165
How did you jump from "Awkward
Black Girl" to "Insecure"?
427
00:15:36,207 --> 00:15:37,166
I want to know.
428
00:15:37,208 --> 00:15:38,709
This is me looking
for information.
429
00:15:38,751 --> 00:15:40,461
-It was a hobble.
It wasn't a jump.
430
00:15:40,503 --> 00:15:41,837
You know, it was like --
431
00:15:41,879 --> 00:15:44,048
You know, even the Shonda stuff,
432
00:15:44,090 --> 00:15:45,758
that was like
a big embarrassment
433
00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:47,009
when that didn't go through.
434
00:15:47,051 --> 00:15:48,636
-Why was that an embarrassment?
435
00:15:48,677 --> 00:15:50,721
-Because...
436
00:15:50,763 --> 00:15:53,015
You know what it is.
You --
437
00:15:53,057 --> 00:15:54,850
First of all,
the announcement is everything.
438
00:15:54,892 --> 00:15:56,435
When people are like, "Oh!
439
00:15:56,477 --> 00:15:58,604
'Awkward Black Girl'
working with Shonda Rhimes!
440
00:15:58,646 --> 00:15:59,980
Oh, shit!"
441
00:16:00,022 --> 00:16:02,191
And that's on "Deadline."
You're posting it.
442
00:16:02,233 --> 00:16:04,235
And then -- then you
have to do the work.
443
00:16:04,276 --> 00:16:05,903
Then it has to be good.
-Mm-hmm.
444
00:16:05,945 --> 00:16:09,448
-And for that, I just --
I was so scared.
445
00:16:09,490 --> 00:16:12,702
And there was so much pressure,
and I wanted to get it right.
446
00:16:12,743 --> 00:16:14,245
And I loved them so much,
and it just --
447
00:16:14,286 --> 00:16:16,330
You know, the show that I
ended up making wasn't right.
448
00:16:16,372 --> 00:16:19,125
And so then -- Thank God
there's no announcement
449
00:16:19,166 --> 00:16:21,001
that's like, "Ah,
this bitch didn't do it."
450
00:16:21,043 --> 00:16:23,170
You know, but you
still know that.
451
00:16:23,212 --> 00:16:26,882
And so...then even
with the opportunity with HBO,
452
00:16:26,924 --> 00:16:28,509
like, that was like another,
"Oh, my God,
453
00:16:28,551 --> 00:16:30,386
I get another shot?"
454
00:16:30,428 --> 00:16:32,221
And then stuff comes out
about that like,
455
00:16:32,263 --> 00:16:33,931
"Oh, she's about to do
a show with HBO."
456
00:16:33,973 --> 00:16:36,767
And that was my, like,
dream network.
457
00:16:36,809 --> 00:16:39,729
And that took a long time to do.
458
00:16:39,770 --> 00:16:43,524
And it was just like draft
after draft, and it just --
459
00:16:43,566 --> 00:16:46,235
it wasn't right for them,
and so I was --
460
00:16:46,277 --> 00:16:47,987
-What I'm hearing
is something different, right?
461
00:16:48,029 --> 00:16:50,197
-What are you hearing?
-I'm hearing, like,
462
00:16:50,239 --> 00:16:53,576
it didn't work because
you needed the experience
463
00:16:53,617 --> 00:16:54,869
of understanding what not to do.
464
00:16:54,910 --> 00:16:56,287
-But you don't know that
at the time.
465
00:16:56,328 --> 00:16:59,373
-But that's the beauty
of that moment.
466
00:16:59,415 --> 00:17:01,834
That's the beauty of that stage
in the business.
467
00:17:01,876 --> 00:17:03,335
Like, we don't get
a cheat sheet.
468
00:17:03,377 --> 00:17:05,463
We don't get a handbook.
We're thrown in it.
469
00:17:05,504 --> 00:17:08,924
So, what I'm hearing is like,
"Okay, at that moment, damn,
470
00:17:08,966 --> 00:17:12,053
I now have to --
I got to fucking make it happen.
471
00:17:12,094 --> 00:17:13,345
I've got to create the show
472
00:17:13,387 --> 00:17:14,972
that they're looking
for me to create."
473
00:17:15,014 --> 00:17:17,308
But in doing that,
the road to --
474
00:17:17,349 --> 00:17:19,643
the road to victory there
isn't an easy one,
475
00:17:19,685 --> 00:17:21,145
and there's a lot of opinions.
476
00:17:21,187 --> 00:17:22,646
Everybody's got a note
and this and that.
477
00:17:22,688 --> 00:17:24,940
"I got to get my draft,
and it was right, wasn't.
478
00:17:24,982 --> 00:17:26,567
And I ended up
turning in something,
479
00:17:26,609 --> 00:17:29,445
but we didn't make the show,
and I look at it as I failed."
480
00:17:29,487 --> 00:17:31,197
I look at it as like,
"Damn. Fuck."
481
00:17:31,238 --> 00:17:34,116
But that's not the fail
because then you figure out,
482
00:17:34,158 --> 00:17:35,618
"Well, I'mma do something else."
483
00:17:35,659 --> 00:17:38,954
-Yeah, but, you know,
that still fucks me up now.
484
00:17:38,996 --> 00:17:40,456
But what fucked me up back then
485
00:17:40,498 --> 00:17:44,377
was feeling like I had to do it
in a certain time.
486
00:17:44,418 --> 00:17:45,920
I don't know why --
487
00:17:45,961 --> 00:17:47,213
-What do you mean when you say
"a certain time"?
488
00:17:47,254 --> 00:17:48,964
You're saying like
a certain timeline?
489
00:17:49,006 --> 00:17:50,341
-Yeah, a certain timeframe.
490
00:17:50,383 --> 00:17:53,177
Like, for me,
I've always been inhibited
491
00:17:53,219 --> 00:17:55,304
or propelled by the fact
that I feel like
492
00:17:55,346 --> 00:17:58,182
I don't have many times
or many chances.
493
00:17:58,224 --> 00:18:00,059
Like, I don't have enough time
and enough chances.
494
00:18:00,101 --> 00:18:01,644
-I can relate to that.
-So it feels like -- yeah --
495
00:18:01,685 --> 00:18:03,187
I didn't get this done.
496
00:18:03,229 --> 00:18:05,564
When you're inundated
by images of,
497
00:18:05,606 --> 00:18:06,982
"So-and-so did this by 19.
498
00:18:07,024 --> 00:18:08,818
They got an Oscar by 23."
499
00:18:08,859 --> 00:18:10,236
And you're like, "Damn, I'm 27,
500
00:18:10,277 --> 00:18:11,987
and I have not done
any of those things."
501
00:18:12,029 --> 00:18:13,114
And that's intimidating.
502
00:18:13,155 --> 00:18:14,198
-It's the window, right?
-Yes.
503
00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:15,825
-When does my window close?
504
00:18:15,866 --> 00:18:17,785
-Yes, that is
my frequent question.
505
00:18:17,827 --> 00:18:22,832
-When does my window close,
and is my window open,
506
00:18:22,873 --> 00:18:24,875
and are the same opportunities
507
00:18:24,917 --> 00:18:27,086
the ones that I'm
watching others get?
508
00:18:27,128 --> 00:18:30,423
And if so, you know,
I don't feel like mine are here,
509
00:18:30,464 --> 00:18:32,967
and that means
that it could be over soon.
510
00:18:33,008 --> 00:18:37,346
But, like, it's a learned trait
to understand, like, that --
511
00:18:37,388 --> 00:18:39,348
that isn't necessarily true.
512
00:18:39,390 --> 00:18:41,350
-Mm.
-It's what we think is true.
513
00:18:41,392 --> 00:18:43,269
-Yeah, you don't believe --
You still operate that way.
514
00:18:43,310 --> 00:18:44,729
I feel like I still
operate that way.
515
00:18:44,770 --> 00:18:46,147
-But you don't have to.
516
00:18:46,188 --> 00:18:47,398
Like, it's a thing that
we got to get out --
517
00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,191
Okay, I'm gonna
be honest with you.
518
00:18:49,233 --> 00:18:51,861
We're talking and we're being
transparent and authentic.
519
00:18:51,902 --> 00:18:53,446
-Mm-hmm.
520
00:18:53,487 --> 00:18:56,741
-It took probably over the
course of the last two years
521
00:18:56,782 --> 00:18:59,326
I got out of the stage of,
522
00:18:59,368 --> 00:19:04,040
"Man, this shit
could all go away today."
523
00:19:04,081 --> 00:19:05,416
-Okay.
-Right?
524
00:19:05,458 --> 00:19:07,877
And the reason
why I was rushing so much to,
525
00:19:07,918 --> 00:19:10,379
like, build these companies,
build all this other stuff,
526
00:19:10,421 --> 00:19:12,715
because, like,
"If y'all try to take this shit,
527
00:19:12,757 --> 00:19:13,716
it's gonna go away.
528
00:19:13,758 --> 00:19:14,884
Man, you motherfuckers.
529
00:19:14,925 --> 00:19:17,261
I'm gonna have this other shit."
530
00:19:17,303 --> 00:19:19,263
But my want for the other shit
was out of panic.
531
00:19:19,305 --> 00:19:20,765
Because y'all gonna come --
What?
532
00:19:20,806 --> 00:19:22,683
I ain't gonna go -- Hey!
533
00:19:22,725 --> 00:19:25,978
They're trying to say that if
this movie don't goddamn hit,
534
00:19:26,020 --> 00:19:30,066
these motherfu-- Hey, you ain't
gonna goddamn do it to me!
535
00:19:30,107 --> 00:19:32,068
It was a --
It was a panic, right?
536
00:19:32,109 --> 00:19:33,319
It was a pure panic.
537
00:19:33,361 --> 00:19:35,613
It was like the last two
to three years,
538
00:19:35,654 --> 00:19:39,283
I got to a place
where I'm like, "Yo, man.
539
00:19:39,325 --> 00:19:41,577
You're doing what you love."
540
00:19:41,619 --> 00:19:45,081
The panic has to --
It has to settle down,
541
00:19:45,122 --> 00:19:49,418
because if I'm panicking
while doing what I love,
542
00:19:49,460 --> 00:19:51,420
well, am I giving
the best version
543
00:19:51,462 --> 00:19:53,214
of the thing that I love, like,
544
00:19:53,255 --> 00:19:55,091
if it's done
with a shared, like,
545
00:19:55,132 --> 00:19:56,675
reason and attachment to panic?
546
00:19:56,717 --> 00:20:01,389
So to your point that you're
making, you don't have a window,
547
00:20:01,430 --> 00:20:03,015
because you're creating
your window.
548
00:20:03,057 --> 00:20:06,102
Like, you're the anomaly.
549
00:20:06,143 --> 00:20:08,229
You're on this side, Issa.
550
00:20:08,270 --> 00:20:10,398
You're writing, developing,
creating,
551
00:20:10,439 --> 00:20:12,191
and going,
"This is what I want to do."
552
00:20:12,233 --> 00:20:14,944
Whereas the other side
is waiting
553
00:20:14,985 --> 00:20:19,156
to be told what opportunities
they have so they can do.
554
00:20:19,198 --> 00:20:22,410
-But I'm still --
-You're the engine.
555
00:20:22,451 --> 00:20:24,787
-Okay, I'm the engine,
but I still need a car,
556
00:20:24,829 --> 00:20:26,205
if I'm going with that.
557
00:20:26,247 --> 00:20:27,665
I don't even know if that's
the right analogy.
558
00:20:27,707 --> 00:20:30,084
Because people still have to,
like, buy my shit.
559
00:20:30,126 --> 00:20:32,545
I still don't -- and that's kind
of what I'm building towards.
560
00:20:32,586 --> 00:20:33,963
I realize that.
I'm like, "Okay.
561
00:20:34,004 --> 00:20:35,923
Yeah, I make stuff
all the time."
562
00:20:35,965 --> 00:20:38,634
And sometimes I wish I could
revert back to those online days
563
00:20:38,676 --> 00:20:40,553
where it was like, "I'm just
putting that shit out there.
564
00:20:40,594 --> 00:20:42,012
I'm putting this out
565
00:20:42,054 --> 00:20:43,973
for the audience that I want
and that I want to claim."
566
00:20:44,014 --> 00:20:48,310
And now, you know, I'm obviously
within a system, in a way,
567
00:20:48,352 --> 00:20:50,021
an entertainment system.
568
00:20:50,062 --> 00:20:53,065
And I realize, to your point,
like, part of me is just, like,
569
00:20:53,107 --> 00:20:54,775
with seeing
all these changes, like,
570
00:20:54,817 --> 00:20:57,403
"Okay, I can make all I want,
but what if they're not buying?
571
00:20:57,445 --> 00:20:59,613
What if they're not buying
what I'm selling?"
572
00:20:59,655 --> 00:21:01,824
So then what?
What am I left with?
573
00:21:01,866 --> 00:21:06,704
-I think that this is a great
moment to take a beat, right?
574
00:21:06,746 --> 00:21:08,330
I mean, look the conversations
on "Hart to Heart,"
575
00:21:08,372 --> 00:21:10,916
they not only get deep,
but they get real.
576
00:21:10,958 --> 00:21:12,585
-Mm.
-That's why we do this show.
577
00:21:12,626 --> 00:21:14,920
Not only will we continue
when we get back,
578
00:21:14,962 --> 00:21:16,839
we're gonna get some more wine,
'cause I want some,
579
00:21:16,881 --> 00:21:17,965
'cause I got more
deep shit to say.
580
00:21:18,007 --> 00:21:19,550
Don't go nowhere.
581
00:21:19,592 --> 00:21:21,135
We got more "Hart to Heart"
when we get back after this.
582
00:21:21,177 --> 00:21:22,720
How do I do it?
583
00:21:22,762 --> 00:21:25,806
-[ Laughs ]
584
00:21:25,848 --> 00:21:32,605
**
585
00:21:36,567 --> 00:21:41,238
**
586
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:42,615
-Welcome back
to "Hart to Heart."
587
00:21:42,656 --> 00:21:46,577
We are still here
with the amazing Issa Rae.
588
00:21:46,619 --> 00:21:48,204
You know, we're talking about
589
00:21:48,245 --> 00:21:49,622
where's your big happy
come from.
590
00:21:49,663 --> 00:21:53,125
Does it come after
you have created,
591
00:21:53,167 --> 00:21:57,963
written what you deem to be
an amazing story, front to back?
592
00:21:58,005 --> 00:21:59,840
Is that your happy,
or does your happy come
593
00:21:59,882 --> 00:22:03,052
from people watching
the amazing story and going,
594
00:22:03,094 --> 00:22:04,428
"That was an amazing story"?
595
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:05,679
Which one makes you happier?
596
00:22:05,721 --> 00:22:07,515
-It's periods of happy.
It's both.
597
00:22:07,556 --> 00:22:12,436
Both is the high of just,
"Wow, we finished that.
598
00:22:12,478 --> 00:22:14,313
Like, it was hard to make,
599
00:22:14,355 --> 00:22:16,357
and, like,
I don't care what people say.
600
00:22:16,399 --> 00:22:18,359
We did it how
we wanted to do it."
601
00:22:18,401 --> 00:22:20,569
That's amazing in and of itself.
-Okay.
602
00:22:20,611 --> 00:22:23,030
-And then the second high is,
like, "People saw what we saw.
603
00:22:23,072 --> 00:22:24,615
They thought it was as good
as we thought it."
604
00:22:24,657 --> 00:22:26,492
-That's the bonus to me.
-It is a bonus, for sure.
605
00:22:26,534 --> 00:22:28,911
-That's the bonus. Like,
I think the big happy comes --
606
00:22:28,953 --> 00:22:32,707
I'm happy with putting my mind
to something and finishing it.
607
00:22:32,748 --> 00:22:35,501
-That's for sure.
-That's the happy for me, right?
608
00:22:35,543 --> 00:22:38,045
-It is, but I feel like
I have that balance
609
00:22:38,087 --> 00:22:39,547
because I'm very clear.
610
00:22:39,588 --> 00:22:42,842
Like, I create for an audience
since I have been young.
611
00:22:42,883 --> 00:22:45,094
Like, do my parents like it?
Do my siblings like it?
612
00:22:45,136 --> 00:22:47,638
Does it make them laugh?
Does it make my friends laugh?
613
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,182
Do they -- Like, I create
with people in mind.
614
00:22:50,224 --> 00:22:53,018
So, if they like it,
I'm over the moon.
615
00:22:53,060 --> 00:22:56,355
If they don't, then I'm like,
"Okay, I got to come harder."
616
00:22:56,397 --> 00:22:57,690
Like, it's devastating
initially.
617
00:22:57,732 --> 00:22:59,734
Like, "Oh, my God.
Y'all didn't like that?
618
00:22:59,775 --> 00:23:01,527
And I put so much energy
and time into it,
619
00:23:01,569 --> 00:23:02,862
and I actually thought
it was good.
620
00:23:02,903 --> 00:23:03,904
Is there something wrong?
621
00:23:03,946 --> 00:23:05,364
Okay, you know what?"
622
00:23:05,406 --> 00:23:07,450
And then it's just, like,
living in that devastation
623
00:23:07,491 --> 00:23:09,535
and allowing myself
to live in that for a minute
624
00:23:09,577 --> 00:23:10,995
and then the resolution that,
625
00:23:11,037 --> 00:23:13,539
"Oh, I'm about to come
so much harder next time."
626
00:23:13,581 --> 00:23:15,416
But it's still for me,
at the end of the day,
627
00:23:15,458 --> 00:23:17,543
but I know that I'm still
creating for an audience.
628
00:23:17,585 --> 00:23:20,046
-Have you had that?
-Oh, what are you talking about?
629
00:23:20,087 --> 00:23:21,547
Yes, how I live.
630
00:23:21,589 --> 00:23:24,592
-What gave you that?
What gave you the "Oh, fuck"?
631
00:23:24,633 --> 00:23:27,053
-Um...
-What gave you that?
632
00:23:27,094 --> 00:23:28,804
"You've got to be kidding me.
633
00:23:28,846 --> 00:23:31,223
Did you read this shit?
Did you see what they saying?"
634
00:23:31,265 --> 00:23:32,683
What gave you that?
-Man.
635
00:23:32,725 --> 00:23:35,186
I mean, there was for sure
some episodes --
636
00:23:35,227 --> 00:23:36,312
I mean, it went back --
637
00:23:36,353 --> 00:23:38,230
I remember the first time
I cried.
638
00:23:38,272 --> 00:23:40,733
[ Laughs ]
I cried over some shit.
639
00:23:40,775 --> 00:23:42,318
But that was like
"Awkward Black Girl" days,
640
00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:44,445
and I was like, "Oh, I know --"
641
00:23:44,487 --> 00:23:48,407
We did this one episode that was
like a Halloween special,
642
00:23:48,449 --> 00:23:49,742
making fun of Greeks.
643
00:23:49,784 --> 00:23:51,744
-Gamma, gamma ray, gamma ray.
644
00:23:51,786 --> 00:23:55,539
Gamma, gamma ray, gamma ray.
Gamma, gamma ray, gamma ray.
645
00:23:55,581 --> 00:23:57,750
Gamma, gamma ray, gamma ray.
Gamma...
646
00:23:57,792 --> 00:23:59,919
-And it was funny as fuck to me
647
00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:03,589
because it was, like, very,
you know, inside baseball.
648
00:24:03,631 --> 00:24:06,425
And I remember people
were not fucking with it online.
649
00:24:06,467 --> 00:24:07,676
And they were like,
"What the fuck?
650
00:24:07,718 --> 00:24:09,845
This shit fell off.
Unh-unh.
651
00:24:09,887 --> 00:24:11,972
'Awkward Black Girl'?
'Awkward Whack Girl.'"
652
00:24:12,014 --> 00:24:16,936
Like, probably nobody said that,
but it was, like, in my head.
653
00:24:16,977 --> 00:24:18,521
And so -- [ Laughs ]
654
00:24:18,562 --> 00:24:20,398
"It was you.
You wrote it. Okay.
655
00:24:20,439 --> 00:24:23,025
Now I know who wrote it."
656
00:24:23,067 --> 00:24:24,777
But, like, that was --
I remember --
657
00:24:24,819 --> 00:24:26,445
'Cause I used to
read everything.
658
00:24:26,487 --> 00:24:28,698
Like, when you
have access to it,
659
00:24:28,739 --> 00:24:30,449
you're just like,
"Oh, I'm reading everything."
660
00:24:30,491 --> 00:24:31,951
Like, they fuck with it.
661
00:24:31,992 --> 00:24:33,577
So, like, that was
the first time
662
00:24:33,619 --> 00:24:35,579
where I was, like,
closing the computer.
663
00:24:35,621 --> 00:24:37,206
-Close it. Fuck this shit!
-Yeah.
664
00:24:37,248 --> 00:24:38,708
What the fuck?
Oh, yeah.
665
00:24:38,749 --> 00:24:41,001
Y'all was just fucking
with the last episode.
666
00:24:41,043 --> 00:24:43,087
-Last week, you liked it.
667
00:24:43,129 --> 00:24:45,089
-They don't know where
we're going, that's why.
668
00:24:45,131 --> 00:24:48,342
-@Kathy212, let me see.
Where's she at?
669
00:24:48,384 --> 00:24:49,802
Let me see her page.
670
00:24:49,844 --> 00:24:51,846
You start searching them down.
671
00:24:51,887 --> 00:24:54,974
-So, I remember that, and
that shit hurt me to my core.
672
00:24:55,015 --> 00:24:56,976
And I was like,
"I'm crying over comments.
673
00:24:57,017 --> 00:24:59,103
Like, girl, get it together."
-Get it together.
674
00:24:59,145 --> 00:25:01,480
-So by the time "Insecure"
came around,
675
00:25:01,522 --> 00:25:03,691
it was on a higher scale,
but I was --
676
00:25:03,733 --> 00:25:05,317
like, I wasn't as devastated.
677
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,654
But I remember there was one
episode in the second season
678
00:25:08,696 --> 00:25:11,073
where people, like,
just turned on us.
679
00:25:11,115 --> 00:25:16,996
And, like, that hurt in a way
and that made me realize, like,
680
00:25:17,038 --> 00:25:18,914
"Oh, people really care
about this."
681
00:25:18,956 --> 00:25:21,000
And now, we're --
It's not only that, but now --
682
00:25:21,042 --> 00:25:24,170
now we're under a different
scrutiny, and it --
683
00:25:24,211 --> 00:25:27,339
I just became hyper aware in
a new way of just, like, "Oh."
684
00:25:27,381 --> 00:25:29,091
-Well, they became invested.
685
00:25:29,133 --> 00:25:31,761
-They became invested, and then
there was a tide of just, like,
686
00:25:31,802 --> 00:25:35,973
"Oh, now people are kind of
rooting for us to fail."
687
00:25:36,015 --> 00:25:37,850
You see people coming out
the woodwork where they're like,
688
00:25:37,892 --> 00:25:39,518
"I told y'all
that show wasn't shit."
689
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,645
And I was like, oh, my God,
people were just --
690
00:25:41,687 --> 00:25:43,606
people were waiting to hate.
-Yeah.
691
00:25:43,647 --> 00:25:45,566
-And that was, like,
a new realization for me.
692
00:25:45,608 --> 00:25:47,443
-I mean, I think now --
693
00:25:47,485 --> 00:25:48,778
I would assume
that you're in a place now
694
00:25:48,819 --> 00:25:52,198
where you realize, like,
that doesn't matter.
695
00:25:52,239 --> 00:25:53,574
It doesn't matter.
696
00:25:53,616 --> 00:25:55,034
Like, you went through
your wave of, like,
697
00:25:55,076 --> 00:25:57,203
"Oh, my God, this matters.
This means something."
698
00:25:57,244 --> 00:26:00,998
But now I think you clearly see
that that doesn't mean anything.
699
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:02,708
-Over it.
I know the cycles now.
700
00:26:02,750 --> 00:26:04,710
Like, and I'm
very familiar with it.
701
00:26:04,752 --> 00:26:06,504
I'm part of the cycles
in some ways.
702
00:26:06,545 --> 00:26:08,589
-You were able to develop
a relationship
703
00:26:08,631 --> 00:26:10,216
with your casts, right?
704
00:26:10,257 --> 00:26:12,551
I mean, you know, a lot of
people talk about the families
705
00:26:12,593 --> 00:26:16,555
that are developed on-screen
and how those relationships
706
00:26:16,597 --> 00:26:18,265
end up being some
of the best friendships
707
00:26:18,307 --> 00:26:19,892
to go on and on and on.
708
00:26:19,934 --> 00:26:23,896
Um, you, the cast, the show,
was it a bittersweet ending?
709
00:26:23,938 --> 00:26:26,524
Do you guys still talk?
Is there a group chat?
710
00:26:26,565 --> 00:26:29,068
Like, what does the cast
of "Insecure" now do
711
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:30,319
that the show is over?
712
00:26:30,361 --> 00:26:31,904
-All of those things.
There's a group chat.
713
00:26:31,946 --> 00:26:34,240
It's single chat.
We just support each other.
714
00:26:34,281 --> 00:26:35,908
It's love.
715
00:26:35,950 --> 00:26:38,536
Everybody's doing
their own projects
716
00:26:38,577 --> 00:26:40,287
and, you know,
717
00:26:40,329 --> 00:26:42,581
actively on their paths
for their next moves.
718
00:26:42,623 --> 00:26:44,083
But I want to work
with them again.
719
00:26:44,125 --> 00:26:45,918
You know, I think it's
that thing where it's just like,
720
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,211
"Okay, y'all do y'all thing,
but know, like,
721
00:26:47,253 --> 00:26:48,921
I'm still gonna
call y'all for stuff."
722
00:26:48,963 --> 00:26:51,966
But it's just --
it's so much love and support.
723
00:26:52,007 --> 00:26:55,511
And I'm really just
proud of all that.
724
00:26:55,553 --> 00:26:58,013
-So, just in good faith,
725
00:26:58,055 --> 00:26:59,640
giving flowers
where flowers are due,
726
00:26:59,682 --> 00:27:01,851
that's your
Shonda Rhimes moment, right?
727
00:27:01,892 --> 00:27:05,438
Like, you were operating,
managing, and running,
728
00:27:05,479 --> 00:27:07,189
you know, a project.
729
00:27:07,231 --> 00:27:09,525
That's your project.
That's your creative.
730
00:27:09,567 --> 00:27:11,444
Your creative got
to five goddamn seasons,
731
00:27:11,485 --> 00:27:12,778
which is unheard of.
732
00:27:12,820 --> 00:27:14,780
It's a big fucking deal
in the business.
733
00:27:14,822 --> 00:27:16,198
It's a massive deal
734
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,992
to get to five seasons
of a television show.
735
00:27:18,034 --> 00:27:20,870
And it's not just a show
that was, like, good.
736
00:27:20,911 --> 00:27:22,496
It's a show that is evergreen.
737
00:27:22,538 --> 00:27:24,790
People are still gonna watch
that show, discover that show.
738
00:27:24,832 --> 00:27:26,459
The show will last.
Right?
739
00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:27,835
So whatever you decide to do
740
00:27:27,877 --> 00:27:30,046
moving forward from that show,
you can.
741
00:27:30,087 --> 00:27:31,297
But the show's done.
742
00:27:31,338 --> 00:27:33,758
Show gets done
'cause you made the decision,
743
00:27:33,799 --> 00:27:35,885
but then you say, "Well,
let me put on my creative hat."
744
00:27:35,926 --> 00:27:39,472
And now Issa's developed
and created more shows.
745
00:27:39,513 --> 00:27:41,307
By the way,
you're not in the shows.
746
00:27:41,348 --> 00:27:43,601
These are from the mind of.
747
00:27:43,642 --> 00:27:45,936
-Mm-hmm.
-That's a bigger fucking deal.
748
00:27:45,978 --> 00:27:48,481
I look at that, as I watch
every move you make,
749
00:27:48,522 --> 00:27:50,441
and I'm like, "She's working.
750
00:27:50,483 --> 00:27:52,401
She's, like, really working."
751
00:27:52,443 --> 00:27:55,905
Now, well, now you're in this --
you're in a conversation
752
00:27:55,946 --> 00:27:57,907
of launching
the next wave of talent.
753
00:27:57,948 --> 00:28:00,534
-Man.
-That's where you are now.
754
00:28:00,576 --> 00:28:02,161
Do you understand that?
755
00:28:02,203 --> 00:28:04,955
-It makes me the happiest.
It makes me the most excited.
756
00:28:04,997 --> 00:28:09,418
Now, like, you know,
even with new show "Rap Sh!t,"
757
00:28:09,460 --> 00:28:11,337
I'm, like, following
their journeys and, like --
758
00:28:11,379 --> 00:28:15,049
-Is it really based off of,
like, City Girls --
759
00:28:15,091 --> 00:28:19,470
-It's, like, inspired
by, like, my fandom of them.
760
00:28:19,512 --> 00:28:21,013
-Okay.
-But, like, generally,
761
00:28:21,055 --> 00:28:22,681
just this time in female rap.
762
00:28:22,723 --> 00:28:25,267
Like it's all those things.
763
00:28:25,309 --> 00:28:27,019
-It's so good. It's so good.
-Thank you.
764
00:28:27,061 --> 00:28:29,355
-It's one of those things
that you get mad at
765
00:28:29,397 --> 00:28:32,858
'cause it's simple to the idea.
766
00:28:32,900 --> 00:28:34,527
-Yeah.
-It's like, this --
767
00:28:34,568 --> 00:28:36,445
this thing has been around,
right?
768
00:28:36,487 --> 00:28:38,114
This level of talent,
769
00:28:38,155 --> 00:28:40,866
these women that have been
in this space
770
00:28:40,908 --> 00:28:42,827
and their journey and how,
771
00:28:42,868 --> 00:28:46,330
to tell it through that lens,
it's very smart.
772
00:28:46,372 --> 00:28:47,665
-I appreciate it.
773
00:28:47,707 --> 00:28:49,291
-Okay, guys, we're gonna
take a quick break.
774
00:28:49,333 --> 00:28:51,293
We'll be right back with more
"Hart to Heart" after this.
775
00:28:51,335 --> 00:28:57,967
**
776
00:29:01,262 --> 00:29:05,933
**
777
00:29:05,975 --> 00:29:07,768
-Welcome back
to "Hart to Heart."
778
00:29:07,810 --> 00:29:09,770
I'm sitting here with Issa Rae.
779
00:29:09,812 --> 00:29:14,984
Television producing,
writing, directing.
780
00:29:15,026 --> 00:29:16,944
You dabbled
in the world of movies.
781
00:29:16,986 --> 00:29:18,195
-Mm-hmm.
-Is that done?
782
00:29:18,237 --> 00:29:19,739
Is that all over?
-No, definitely not.
783
00:29:19,780 --> 00:29:22,158
-What's your love for movies?
784
00:29:22,199 --> 00:29:23,534
-[ Sighs ]
785
00:29:23,576 --> 00:29:26,412
Right now, not high.
786
00:29:26,454 --> 00:29:28,831
-Why?
Tell me why.
787
00:29:28,873 --> 00:29:30,791
-I used to go to the movies
every week.
788
00:29:30,833 --> 00:29:33,377
Like, and then every other week.
789
00:29:33,419 --> 00:29:36,088
But now movies --
790
00:29:36,130 --> 00:29:37,798
You know,
I love the small movies.
791
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:42,136
I love that, and I love the
communal experience of movies.
792
00:29:42,178 --> 00:29:44,013
And I feel like
we're losing that.
793
00:29:44,055 --> 00:29:45,598
-Okay.
You're talking about --
794
00:29:45,639 --> 00:29:47,850
You're talking about,
pretty much, in today's time...
795
00:29:47,892 --> 00:29:49,477
-In today's time,
yeah, yeah, yeah.
796
00:29:49,518 --> 00:29:52,521
-...the theater or theatrical
experience is now lessening.
797
00:29:52,563 --> 00:29:55,232
You feel like that's gone.
You feel like we've lost that.
798
00:29:55,274 --> 00:29:57,777
-In a way, just because
of what the focus
799
00:29:57,818 --> 00:30:01,030
of theatrical movies are.
800
00:30:01,072 --> 00:30:02,531
Like, they're just very similar,
801
00:30:02,573 --> 00:30:05,034
and it feels like it caters
to a very specific type
802
00:30:05,076 --> 00:30:06,869
or it's, like, overly broad.
803
00:30:06,911 --> 00:30:13,125
And so I miss, like, the movies
that, you know, I grew up on.
804
00:30:13,167 --> 00:30:15,002
So my love for movies is,
you know,
805
00:30:15,044 --> 00:30:16,754
I still want to continue to --
I want to create.
806
00:30:16,796 --> 00:30:18,297
I haven't made a movie yet.
807
00:30:18,339 --> 00:30:21,175
I haven't written one,
and so that's a goal of mine.
808
00:30:21,217 --> 00:30:23,260
But I can't even say that,
like, you know,
809
00:30:23,302 --> 00:30:25,137
I'll be able to create
a pop-cultural staple.
810
00:30:25,179 --> 00:30:27,014
I want to.
-Why can't you say that?
811
00:30:27,056 --> 00:30:28,682
Why do you do that?
Why'd you just have to do that?
812
00:30:28,724 --> 00:30:30,851
-Because I just want to make --
-You didn't have to do that.
813
00:30:30,893 --> 00:30:32,395
-Why'd you just have to do that?
814
00:30:32,436 --> 00:30:34,397
I can't even say it 'cause
I can't say that that word.
815
00:30:34,438 --> 00:30:36,857
-I just spent time talking
about how that's not --
816
00:30:36,899 --> 00:30:38,067
that's not a thing right now.
817
00:30:38,109 --> 00:30:39,568
-What do you mean?
It's not a thing.
818
00:30:39,610 --> 00:30:41,278
Okay, so then you say,
"I want to make it a thing."
819
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,114
And you make it a thing.
-That's what I'm saying.
820
00:30:43,155 --> 00:30:44,740
I want to make it a thing.
-Well, no, you didn't say that.
821
00:30:44,782 --> 00:30:46,409
You said, "I want to say it,
but then I can't say that --"
822
00:30:46,450 --> 00:30:48,244
You went high, and then
you went low immediately.
823
00:30:48,285 --> 00:30:49,578
"Listen, I would love to do it,
824
00:30:49,620 --> 00:30:50,871
but at the same time
I think that I can't.
825
00:30:50,913 --> 00:30:52,581
-Oh, my gosh!
It's hard.
826
00:30:52,623 --> 00:30:53,916
-If that's what you want to do.
827
00:30:53,958 --> 00:30:55,042
-You know what?
I'm a realist.
828
00:30:55,084 --> 00:30:56,544
That's it.
-What do you mean?
829
00:30:56,585 --> 00:30:58,587
-I have to acknowledge
what is possible and what's not.
830
00:30:58,629 --> 00:31:00,339
That doesn't mean in the back
of my head I'm not like,
831
00:31:00,381 --> 00:31:02,216
"I'm gonna kill this.
I'm gonna make it."
832
00:31:02,258 --> 00:31:04,969
But I'm saying, like, I have to
acknowledge all the parts of it.
833
00:31:05,010 --> 00:31:06,846
-I'm really seeing --
I'm getting it.
834
00:31:06,887 --> 00:31:08,347
I'm seeing it right now.
I'm getting it.
835
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:10,141
-You think I'm crazy.
-And I'm starting to understand.
836
00:31:10,182 --> 00:31:11,767
No, you're not crazy.
-Mm-hmm.
837
00:31:11,809 --> 00:31:13,102
-You're not crazy, but what I --
-Cheers.
838
00:31:13,144 --> 00:31:16,355
-What I am getting --
[ Laughs ]
839
00:31:16,397 --> 00:31:18,065
"I'm crazy. Cheers."
840
00:31:18,107 --> 00:31:19,650
-Cheers.
-Cheers.
841
00:31:19,692 --> 00:31:20,943
No, you're not crazy,
842
00:31:20,985 --> 00:31:23,904
but you are --
you're an overthinker.
843
00:31:23,946 --> 00:31:25,281
-Am I?
-Yeah.
844
00:31:25,322 --> 00:31:27,074
-I think I'm an underthinker,
to be honest.
845
00:31:27,116 --> 00:31:29,785
-You just gave me
seven different versions
846
00:31:29,827 --> 00:31:30,786
of you overthinking.
847
00:31:30,828 --> 00:31:31,996
-There are two versions.
848
00:31:32,038 --> 00:31:34,165
It's either gonna happen
or it's not.
849
00:31:34,206 --> 00:31:36,625
-Yeah, but there's two versions
to those two versions.
850
00:31:36,667 --> 00:31:39,670
-But I think regardless
of the overthinking,
851
00:31:39,712 --> 00:31:40,880
I'm still gonna do it.
852
00:31:40,921 --> 00:31:42,798
Like, nothing has stopped me.
853
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,550
Like, no matter how much
I overthink,
854
00:31:44,592 --> 00:31:45,801
I'm still gonna do it.
855
00:31:45,843 --> 00:31:47,303
I think that's the difference.
856
00:31:47,344 --> 00:31:49,305
Like, I will find the reasons
that it can't work,
857
00:31:49,346 --> 00:31:52,641
but still I think
what makes me me is, like,
858
00:31:52,683 --> 00:31:56,103
"Well, I could be the exception,
so I'm gonna still try."
859
00:31:56,145 --> 00:31:59,106
-Just looking through
another lens,
860
00:31:59,148 --> 00:32:02,318
will there be a high level
of determination
861
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,780
to, if it's gonna work
it's gonna work,
862
00:32:05,821 --> 00:32:07,156
if it's not, it's not?
863
00:32:07,198 --> 00:32:08,866
There's a level of ignorance.
-Yeah, for sure.
864
00:32:08,908 --> 00:32:09,992
-There's a level
of ignorance attached.
865
00:32:10,034 --> 00:32:11,702
-Blissful ignorance.
Yeah.
866
00:32:11,744 --> 00:32:13,079
-The downfall is the downfall,
867
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,748
but it ain't a downfall
to me until it is.
868
00:32:15,790 --> 00:32:19,043
-Yeah, and that comes from,
I think, the underthinking part.
869
00:32:19,085 --> 00:32:20,878
Like, I think that that's
the strength of being --
870
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,922
-You think I'm stupid.
-[ Laughs ]
871
00:32:22,963 --> 00:32:24,423
-She just called me
fucking stupid.
872
00:32:24,465 --> 00:32:26,217
Did anybody see that?
-No, I was talking about myself.
873
00:32:26,258 --> 00:32:27,676
-Did anybody just see that?
874
00:32:27,718 --> 00:32:30,846
She just hit me with a curveball
like I've never --
875
00:32:30,888 --> 00:32:33,182
Called me stupid
right to my goddamn face.
876
00:32:33,224 --> 00:32:35,601
Did anybody catch that?!
-I was talking about myself.
877
00:32:35,643 --> 00:32:37,144
-Let's play that back.
878
00:32:37,186 --> 00:32:39,146
Let's play that back
so you can see that delivery.
879
00:32:39,188 --> 00:32:40,856
-I was gonna say
that I'm impulsive,
880
00:32:40,898 --> 00:32:42,233
and that's what helps.
881
00:32:42,274 --> 00:32:44,151
-Yeah, after you called me
fucking stupid.
882
00:32:44,193 --> 00:32:45,861
You just looked me dead
in my eye, you said,
883
00:32:45,903 --> 00:32:46,946
"Yeah, that's underthinking."
884
00:32:46,987 --> 00:32:48,364
You did this to me.
885
00:32:48,406 --> 00:32:51,033
You said,
"That's classic underthinking."
886
00:32:51,075 --> 00:32:52,576
What?
What does that mean?
887
00:32:52,618 --> 00:32:54,578
-Did I do the motion?
-Yeah, you did this right here.
888
00:32:54,620 --> 00:32:56,747
"That's underthinking."
It's fine.
889
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:59,250
I'll figure that out later.
That's out of here.
890
00:32:59,291 --> 00:33:00,960
That's not gonna make the cut.
891
00:33:01,001 --> 00:33:02,962
I'm joking.
I'm joking.
892
00:33:03,003 --> 00:33:04,380
Uh, no.
I definitely --
893
00:33:04,422 --> 00:33:06,549
I definitely understand
what you're saying.
894
00:33:06,590 --> 00:33:09,009
But just staying in the world
of entrepreneur, right,
895
00:33:09,051 --> 00:33:11,345
and we're talking
about the hustle
896
00:33:11,387 --> 00:33:13,556
and the ideas
that attach to that.
897
00:33:13,597 --> 00:33:16,058
I want to get into
what I started off with.
898
00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:18,102
I started off talking about you,
the community,
899
00:33:18,144 --> 00:33:20,271
you know, where you come from,
900
00:33:20,312 --> 00:33:22,606
the businesses
that you have stayed true to,
901
00:33:22,648 --> 00:33:24,483
the things that
you are now developing.
902
00:33:24,525 --> 00:33:27,028
You have a coffee shop, right?
-I sure do, Hilltop.
903
00:33:27,069 --> 00:33:28,446
-Hilltop coffee shop.
-Mm-hmm.
904
00:33:28,487 --> 00:33:33,325
-And your reason behind
the coffee shop was what?
905
00:33:33,367 --> 00:33:35,327
-I love to write
in coffee shops.
906
00:33:35,369 --> 00:33:37,413
You know, I live, like I said,
in South L.A.,
907
00:33:37,455 --> 00:33:39,665
and I would always
have to leave South L.A.
908
00:33:39,707 --> 00:33:41,625
to, like, write in coffee shops.
909
00:33:41,667 --> 00:33:43,335
And there's just something
910
00:33:43,377 --> 00:33:47,048
about being around other people
working that inspires me
911
00:33:47,089 --> 00:33:48,215
that I need to be around.
912
00:33:48,257 --> 00:33:49,508
And so I was just like,
913
00:33:49,550 --> 00:33:51,635
"I really want one
in my own neighborhood."
914
00:33:51,677 --> 00:33:54,430
And it's a dream
that I've had for awhile.
915
00:33:54,472 --> 00:33:57,475
And, you know, I told --
when I got a business manager,
916
00:33:57,516 --> 00:34:00,478
I was like, "Hey, this is --
this is my goal."
917
00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:03,064
And that was, like,
before I got "Insecure."
918
00:34:03,105 --> 00:34:05,274
And so he was just like,
"Okay, yeah.
919
00:34:05,316 --> 00:34:06,776
I hear you.
I hear you."
920
00:34:06,817 --> 00:34:08,652
And so then when "Insecure"
popped up, I was like,
921
00:34:08,694 --> 00:34:10,529
"So, yeah, I really want
this coffee shop."
922
00:34:10,571 --> 00:34:12,239
And he was like, "Okay.
Well, I have to ask you.
923
00:34:12,281 --> 00:34:14,283
Are you gonna grind
the beans yourself?"
924
00:34:14,325 --> 00:34:15,951
And I was like, "Oh, no."
925
00:34:15,993 --> 00:34:19,288
And he was like, "Well, let me,
like, find you a partner."
926
00:34:19,330 --> 00:34:22,249
And so I partnered with
these guys Ajay and Yonnie.
927
00:34:22,291 --> 00:34:26,128
And they had started one
in my neighborhood initially.
928
00:34:26,170 --> 00:34:27,546
So then we started one
in Inglewood
929
00:34:27,588 --> 00:34:29,632
and then in Eagle Rock,
and we're expanding.
930
00:34:29,673 --> 00:34:32,301
And it's just been about
fostering community
931
00:34:32,343 --> 00:34:34,470
in our neighborhoods.
932
00:34:34,512 --> 00:34:36,514
-I love that
it's having success.
933
00:34:36,555 --> 00:34:37,681
What else, though?
934
00:34:37,723 --> 00:34:39,642
You have something else
in the community.
935
00:34:39,683 --> 00:34:43,646
-Well, I have a hair-care line
called Sienna Naturals.
936
00:34:43,688 --> 00:34:47,400
And that comes from, you know,
just loving my natural hair
937
00:34:47,441 --> 00:34:49,652
and wanting to be able
to protect it.
938
00:34:49,694 --> 00:34:53,489
And so I partnered with the
founder of that, Hannah Diop.
939
00:34:53,531 --> 00:34:57,284
And that is -- That's like
a start-up from the ground up.
940
00:34:57,326 --> 00:35:00,579
And, yeah, then just
the various businesses
941
00:35:00,621 --> 00:35:02,164
that, you know,
like you were talking about,
942
00:35:02,206 --> 00:35:04,166
the ecosystem
in the HOORAE umbrella
943
00:35:04,208 --> 00:35:06,377
where radio is concerned,
like, our music label,
944
00:35:06,419 --> 00:35:08,170
our talent management company.
945
00:35:08,212 --> 00:35:10,005
-Yeah, you have a full-fledged,
946
00:35:10,047 --> 00:35:13,342
like, infrastructure
at this point.
947
00:35:13,384 --> 00:35:15,636
The business of you
and around you
948
00:35:15,678 --> 00:35:19,724
is not just in television and
producing, which is what I love.
949
00:35:19,765 --> 00:35:22,977
Like, you have tentacles.
-Tentacles, I like that.
950
00:35:23,018 --> 00:35:25,646
-You got a tree, and you got a
bunch of branches on this tree.
951
00:35:25,688 --> 00:35:29,191
Right now, sitting in the space
of success, right?
952
00:35:29,233 --> 00:35:31,193
Where's your mind-set at now
953
00:35:31,235 --> 00:35:33,195
with what you want
and where you want to go?
954
00:35:33,237 --> 00:35:35,031
-There's many.
955
00:35:35,072 --> 00:35:36,991
One is ownership.
-Mm-hmm.
956
00:35:37,033 --> 00:35:38,659
-Like, I want -- Like you,
957
00:35:38,701 --> 00:35:41,620
I don't want to be able to be
in a position where I'm like,
958
00:35:41,662 --> 00:35:43,539
"Oh, they can
take this away from me."
959
00:35:43,581 --> 00:35:46,333
Like, I want those --
I want that distribution.
960
00:35:46,375 --> 00:35:49,045
I want those platforms.
I want to own my shit.
961
00:35:49,086 --> 00:35:50,546
And I want to be international.
962
00:35:50,588 --> 00:35:53,549
You know, I think especially
where we're concerned,
963
00:35:53,591 --> 00:35:56,761
like, the idea
that we don't travel,
964
00:35:56,802 --> 00:35:58,095
the idea that we're not,
965
00:35:58,137 --> 00:36:00,347
you know, marketable
in these specific areas.
966
00:36:00,389 --> 00:36:01,932
Like, Black people
are so international.
967
00:36:01,974 --> 00:36:04,101
I want to be in the U.K.
I want to be in France.
968
00:36:04,143 --> 00:36:05,644
I want to create.
969
00:36:05,686 --> 00:36:08,356
I want to be an arms dealer
for multiple countries.
970
00:36:08,397 --> 00:36:10,066
-Well, now hold on.
Now, wait a second.
971
00:36:10,107 --> 00:36:11,942
-Yeah, yeah.
I'm talking about guns.
972
00:36:11,984 --> 00:36:14,737
-Well, hold on. Now that sh--
-I'm talking about violence.
973
00:36:14,779 --> 00:36:17,365
-Okay. Alright.
"I'm talking about violence."
974
00:36:17,406 --> 00:36:18,741
"I want to go."
-Yeah.
975
00:36:18,783 --> 00:36:19,867
-"I want to do --"
976
00:36:19,909 --> 00:36:21,786
-I want to do bad things
across the world.
977
00:36:21,827 --> 00:36:23,954
But I want that.
I want to be a global company.
978
00:36:23,996 --> 00:36:26,165
And then I can feel good,
979
00:36:26,207 --> 00:36:28,250
like, "Okay,
I've done my job here."
980
00:36:28,292 --> 00:36:34,215
-I think you're more than
in position to do that.
981
00:36:34,256 --> 00:36:36,801
And I don't know
if you know that or not.
982
00:36:36,842 --> 00:36:38,135
But you are, right?
983
00:36:38,177 --> 00:36:41,013
Like, it's --
it's more about the hustle
984
00:36:41,055 --> 00:36:43,057
of putting your feet
on the ground internationally.
985
00:36:43,099 --> 00:36:45,976
-Yeah. I mean, and I'm more
than happy to go over there.
986
00:36:46,018 --> 00:36:49,939
And I've seen, like, just even
Black people in other countries
987
00:36:49,980 --> 00:36:52,983
wanting that representation for
themselves and not getting it,
988
00:36:53,025 --> 00:36:55,277
wanting to see themselves
in a why
989
00:36:55,319 --> 00:36:57,113
that they just haven't
been shown before.
990
00:36:57,154 --> 00:36:58,864
And if I could help in a way,
991
00:36:58,906 --> 00:37:02,076
whether it's empowering,
like, other people,
992
00:37:02,118 --> 00:37:04,787
the next you, the next Ava
out their, whoever it is,
993
00:37:04,829 --> 00:37:09,458
like, then that would make me
the happiest in the world.
994
00:37:09,500 --> 00:37:12,294
But do you know
when you're gonna stop?
995
00:37:12,336 --> 00:37:14,463
-Do I know when
I'm gonna stop working?
996
00:37:14,505 --> 00:37:16,882
-Mm-hmm.
-I'm back and forth.
997
00:37:16,924 --> 00:37:18,259
I've told some people --
998
00:37:18,300 --> 00:37:20,594
-Have you ever said, like --
-I've said a lot.
999
00:37:20,636 --> 00:37:22,179
-You've said
that you're gonna stop?
1000
00:37:22,221 --> 00:37:26,517
-I've said -- I've given at
the age 50 is my goal to --
1001
00:37:26,559 --> 00:37:29,395
-Oh, that classic age thing.
-Yeah, like that classic.
1002
00:37:29,437 --> 00:37:31,063
And then I was like,
"Ah, that's probably bullshit."
1003
00:37:31,105 --> 00:37:33,858
And then I was like, "Well,
no, when I do said things."
1004
00:37:33,899 --> 00:37:39,780
But the idea of what can
keeps changing
1005
00:37:39,822 --> 00:37:42,408
based off things
that keep on, like, unfolding.
1006
00:37:42,450 --> 00:37:45,661
So it's not about me no more.
1007
00:37:45,703 --> 00:37:49,206
If you're now on the side
of talent, talent management,
1008
00:37:49,248 --> 00:37:51,417
creative, opportunities,
1009
00:37:51,459 --> 00:37:53,878
this door is now open
for you to come in.
1010
00:37:53,919 --> 00:37:56,589
And when you come in this door,
guess what.
1011
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:59,425
You're leaving
with the possibility
1012
00:37:59,467 --> 00:38:01,927
of becoming much more
than what you came in at.
1013
00:38:01,969 --> 00:38:04,180
That's what we do here
at my company.
1014
00:38:04,221 --> 00:38:06,015
That's significant.
Like, that's --
1015
00:38:06,057 --> 00:38:07,433
-Yeah.
1016
00:38:07,475 --> 00:38:11,395
-And if you really want
to be even more specific,
1017
00:38:11,437 --> 00:38:14,899
you're not talking about
the problems in the business.
1018
00:38:14,940 --> 00:38:17,026
You're solving them.
1019
00:38:17,068 --> 00:38:18,569
You're solving them.
1020
00:38:18,611 --> 00:38:21,781
You're now on the other side
of the conversation, Issa.
1021
00:38:21,822 --> 00:38:22,782
You're solving them.
1022
00:38:22,823 --> 00:38:24,408
Like, you were like,
"Yeah, well,
1023
00:38:24,450 --> 00:38:26,827
I did these acting gigs
and created these things,
1024
00:38:26,869 --> 00:38:29,872
but I didn't see enough
of us behind the camera.
1025
00:38:29,914 --> 00:38:32,208
I didn't see enough of us
in front of the camera,
1026
00:38:32,249 --> 00:38:34,377
so, alright,
well, I created it."
1027
00:38:34,418 --> 00:38:36,545
Well, go look at "Insecure."
1028
00:38:36,587 --> 00:38:38,714
Go look at that cast.
1029
00:38:38,756 --> 00:38:40,341
Go look at the goddamn "Rap" --
1030
00:38:40,383 --> 00:38:41,550
What is it? "Rap"...
-"Rap Sh!t."
1031
00:38:41,592 --> 00:38:44,553
-"Rap Sh!t,"
rap, uh, show, shit.
1032
00:38:44,595 --> 00:38:46,222
-You sound like my mom.
1033
00:38:46,263 --> 00:38:48,808
"What is it, 'Rap Silly'?
'Rap Show'?"
1034
00:38:48,849 --> 00:38:50,643
-"Rap City."
Go look at it.
1035
00:38:50,684 --> 00:38:52,228
What does it look like?
1036
00:38:52,269 --> 00:38:53,854
So when you're talking
about change,
1037
00:38:53,896 --> 00:38:56,899
I'm just saying, I'm not
telling you to celebrate,
1038
00:38:56,941 --> 00:39:01,320
but I'm telling you to realize
that you are now in a position
1039
00:39:01,362 --> 00:39:04,532
where your actions
match your words.
1040
00:39:04,573 --> 00:39:06,409
-Thank you,
-Everybody can't say that.
1041
00:39:06,450 --> 00:39:07,910
Everybody can't say that.
1042
00:39:07,952 --> 00:39:09,912
So when you sit here with
all these goddamn questions
1043
00:39:09,954 --> 00:39:12,123
of what -- "But I think,"
well, hold on.
1044
00:39:12,164 --> 00:39:14,583
-[ Laughs ]
It's my process.
1045
00:39:14,625 --> 00:39:17,795
-Your process.
I want you to have a second.
1046
00:39:17,837 --> 00:39:20,172
I want you to have a second
where you just acknowledge,
1047
00:39:20,214 --> 00:39:22,007
and while she takes a second
to acknowledge, guys,
1048
00:39:22,049 --> 00:39:23,426
I'm gonna give you guys
a second to get up
1049
00:39:23,467 --> 00:39:25,010
and go to the bathroom.
1050
00:39:25,052 --> 00:39:27,138
We got more "Hart to Heart"
when we get back after this.
1051
00:39:27,179 --> 00:39:30,558
How do I do it?
-Shut up!
1052
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:32,768
-How do I do it?
Did anybody see that toss?
1053
00:39:32,810 --> 00:39:38,858
**
1054
00:39:42,820 --> 00:39:47,783
**
1055
00:39:47,825 --> 00:39:49,618
-Welcome back
to "Hart to Heart."
1056
00:39:49,660 --> 00:39:51,662
The conversation
is only getting bigger.
1057
00:39:51,704 --> 00:39:52,913
It's only getting better.
Why?
1058
00:39:52,955 --> 00:39:54,540
Well, because
we're still drinking.
1059
00:39:54,582 --> 00:39:57,126
Guys, I'm here
with the legend Issa Rae,
1060
00:39:57,168 --> 00:39:58,461
and I'm having a blast.
1061
00:39:58,502 --> 00:40:00,254
Issa, we've talked
about the business.
1062
00:40:00,296 --> 00:40:01,630
We've talked about your success.
1063
00:40:01,672 --> 00:40:03,257
We've talked about
your evolvement.
1064
00:40:03,299 --> 00:40:06,218
More importantly, we've talked
about the change that you wanted
1065
00:40:06,260 --> 00:40:09,597
and the change that you're now
seeing in real time.
1066
00:40:09,638 --> 00:40:12,224
Let's get personal.
You got married, right?
1067
00:40:12,266 --> 00:40:13,476
I'm gonna be honest with you.
1068
00:40:13,517 --> 00:40:15,936
I thought that it was,
like, a joke.
1069
00:40:15,978 --> 00:40:19,065
Like, when you posted
a picture that was like --
1070
00:40:19,106 --> 00:40:20,775
-You thought it was a joke?
Oh, okay.
1071
00:40:20,816 --> 00:40:23,819
-In the picture,
like, your caption,
1072
00:40:23,861 --> 00:40:26,739
it was like, "Yeah, I met a guy,
and we did like a photo shoot."
1073
00:40:26,781 --> 00:40:29,533
And I was like,
"Oh, she's such a genius."
1074
00:40:29,575 --> 00:40:32,453
I didn't know it was real.
I fell for it.
1075
00:40:32,495 --> 00:40:35,539
By the way,
I want to say I'm guilty.
1076
00:40:35,581 --> 00:40:37,500
I fell for it.
I was like, "Oh."
1077
00:40:37,541 --> 00:40:38,667
People always
in people's business.
1078
00:40:38,709 --> 00:40:41,504
Damn.
It's just a photo shoot.
1079
00:40:41,545 --> 00:40:43,297
It was real.
You really got married?
1080
00:40:43,339 --> 00:40:44,882
-I did.
1081
00:40:44,924 --> 00:40:47,968
-I love the idea of keeping
your business to yourself.
1082
00:40:48,010 --> 00:40:50,596
I love the idea of you going
and having a moment to yourself,
1083
00:40:50,638 --> 00:40:54,266
and doing that, was there like
a decision between you and him,
1084
00:40:54,308 --> 00:40:56,060
like, "Alright, fuck it.
Let's just tell people."
1085
00:40:56,102 --> 00:40:58,896
Like, if you kept it that much
of a secret,
1086
00:40:58,938 --> 00:41:01,315
why did you just decide
to tell people at that point?
1087
00:41:01,357 --> 00:41:04,819
-Oh, 'cause I was told that --
that it was gonna get out.
1088
00:41:04,860 --> 00:41:06,862
-Okay.
-Yeah, I was told that it was --
1089
00:41:06,904 --> 00:41:08,322
that there was a possibility
1090
00:41:08,364 --> 00:41:10,825
that this outlet
had discovered it.
1091
00:41:10,866 --> 00:41:12,118
And, you know,
I was weighing like,
1092
00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:14,620
"Oh, this is a happy time
in my life.
1093
00:41:14,662 --> 00:41:17,790
Like, do I want to post it?
1094
00:41:17,832 --> 00:41:19,625
Do I want to put it
on the Gram?"
1095
00:41:19,667 --> 00:41:22,336
And, you know, when I found out
that information,
1096
00:41:22,378 --> 00:41:23,921
I was just like, "Oh, okay.
1097
00:41:23,963 --> 00:41:25,381
Well, then I definitely
want to get ahead of it first
1098
00:41:25,423 --> 00:41:28,509
in my own terms
and just the way that I would."
1099
00:41:28,551 --> 00:41:30,761
So, you know,
that's why I ended up
1100
00:41:30,803 --> 00:41:32,471
putting it out there like that.
1101
00:41:32,513 --> 00:41:36,809
-You know, is there the thought
of, like, kids soon, not soon?
1102
00:41:36,851 --> 00:41:38,477
What?
What are we thinking about?
1103
00:41:38,519 --> 00:41:42,023
-Man, that's, like,
the struggle.
1104
00:41:42,064 --> 00:41:43,774
-You're a workaholic.
That's why I asked you.
1105
00:41:43,816 --> 00:41:45,192
-Huh?
-'Cause you're a workaholic.
1106
00:41:45,234 --> 00:41:46,819
-Yeah, but, I mean, like,
1107
00:41:46,861 --> 00:41:48,404
even what you were talking about
earlier, like, the legacy of it,
1108
00:41:48,446 --> 00:41:50,948
like, to me, sometimes
the legacy is through kids.
1109
00:41:50,990 --> 00:41:52,324
I'm like, "What are you
talking about legacy?
1110
00:41:52,366 --> 00:41:53,409
You got kids."
1111
00:41:53,451 --> 00:41:54,994
Like, they're gonna live on
1112
00:41:55,036 --> 00:41:59,331
and they're gonna, you know,
tout your accomplishments.
1113
00:41:59,373 --> 00:42:02,585
Like, you are gonna live forever
just by them alone.
1114
00:42:02,626 --> 00:42:04,045
-They can also take you down.
1115
00:42:04,086 --> 00:42:07,089
-[ Laughs ]
-Let's just be honest.
1116
00:42:07,131 --> 00:42:09,967
-Yes, but they still will take
you down with your last name.
1117
00:42:10,009 --> 00:42:12,720
-My last name will be attached
to them, but I got four of them,
1118
00:42:12,762 --> 00:42:17,224
and I'll be honest with you,
one of them is a gamble.
1119
00:42:17,266 --> 00:42:18,601
One of them could --
1120
00:42:18,642 --> 00:42:20,186
-You don't ever wonder, like,
1121
00:42:20,227 --> 00:42:21,854
"Oh, are they gonna see this
and they gonna be offended"?
1122
00:42:21,896 --> 00:42:23,356
-I'm talking about
the youngest one, Ori.
1123
00:42:23,397 --> 00:42:25,066
The other ones, I'm safe.
1124
00:42:25,107 --> 00:42:26,525
The youngest?
1125
00:42:26,567 --> 00:42:27,860
-Might surprise you.
1126
00:42:27,902 --> 00:42:29,362
I remember you talking about,
you know --
1127
00:42:29,403 --> 00:42:31,155
-But they overcame that.
1128
00:42:31,197 --> 00:42:32,531
They had my trust.
1129
00:42:32,573 --> 00:42:34,033
The younger one --
-I was worried.
1130
00:42:34,075 --> 00:42:36,702
-I don't know.
I don't know.
1131
00:42:36,744 --> 00:42:38,245
-The youngest one
is gonna surprise you
1132
00:42:38,287 --> 00:42:40,873
on some "Succession" shit.
-Well, let's just hope.
1133
00:42:40,915 --> 00:42:42,833
-But for me, yeah, like,
I'm thinking about it.
1134
00:42:42,875 --> 00:42:45,878
But I'm also thinking about not.
1135
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,964
And, you know,
it's a constant conversation.
1136
00:42:49,006 --> 00:42:52,385
For me, like, it does come from,
like, the workaholic-ness
1137
00:42:52,426 --> 00:42:54,887
and feeling like
those window opportunities --
1138
00:42:54,929 --> 00:42:57,640
-Stop talk-- Stop.
-You telling me, "Be honest."
1139
00:42:57,681 --> 00:42:58,974
-I know.
Let's be honest, but stop.
1140
00:42:59,016 --> 00:43:00,393
But I don't want you
to keep talking
1141
00:43:00,434 --> 00:43:01,727
about the window of opportunity.
1142
00:43:01,769 --> 00:43:04,855
-But you're also not a woman.
1143
00:43:04,897 --> 00:43:07,149
And, like, it takes me
out the game.
1144
00:43:07,191 --> 00:43:08,651
Like, if I'm pregnant right now,
and I know that there are --
1145
00:43:08,693 --> 00:43:09,902
-What do you mean,
takes you out?
1146
00:43:09,944 --> 00:43:11,445
-It takes me out the game
for a minute.
1147
00:43:11,487 --> 00:43:13,906
It takes me out the game for,
like, certain things.
1148
00:43:13,948 --> 00:43:18,119
Like, if I'm six months pregnant
and I get to be the next --
1149
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,622
not that I want this -- the next
superhero, I can't do that.
1150
00:43:21,664 --> 00:43:23,666
It takes me out
until it's available.
1151
00:43:23,708 --> 00:43:26,419
Like, there's just those things
that I have to think about
1152
00:43:26,460 --> 00:43:28,379
that I actively care about.
1153
00:43:28,421 --> 00:43:30,840
Don't play me.
-Wait. I'm not gonna play.
1154
00:43:30,881 --> 00:43:32,425
I'm not gonna play you,
1155
00:43:32,466 --> 00:43:35,428
but I'm gonna say something
to you very, like, direct.
1156
00:43:35,469 --> 00:43:37,138
-What?
1157
00:43:37,179 --> 00:43:41,684
-You have made decisions
that show that you can operate
1158
00:43:41,726 --> 00:43:44,770
and navigate
how you choose in your career.
1159
00:43:44,812 --> 00:43:46,313
Have you not?
-Yeah,
1160
00:43:46,355 --> 00:43:48,357
but there's still, like --
1161
00:43:48,399 --> 00:43:51,861
there's still
the acknowledgment that --
1162
00:43:53,154 --> 00:43:58,117
There is --
To be 100%, like, clear,
1163
00:43:58,159 --> 00:44:00,202
there is a window
for certain women for,
1164
00:44:00,244 --> 00:44:03,122
like, to have kids,
to have this moment,
1165
00:44:03,164 --> 00:44:05,082
and also to be successful
in the industry
1166
00:44:05,124 --> 00:44:08,294
without being looked at as,
like, old or over the window.
1167
00:44:08,335 --> 00:44:10,087
Like, that's just something
that's clear to me.
1168
00:44:10,129 --> 00:44:11,714
That's something that I've
watched growing up of just,
1169
00:44:11,756 --> 00:44:15,676
like, "Oh, damn, I watched her
career transition from this,
1170
00:44:15,718 --> 00:44:19,305
like, the hot girl, to now,
like, oh, she's only the mom."
1171
00:44:19,346 --> 00:44:21,223
-Well, I can't speak on that,
like you said,
1172
00:44:21,265 --> 00:44:23,768
because I'm not a woman,
so, you know,
1173
00:44:23,809 --> 00:44:25,478
I'm not going to have
1174
00:44:25,519 --> 00:44:27,938
a firm stake in the ground
as to what I think.
1175
00:44:27,980 --> 00:44:31,400
Like, that's something
that only a woman
1176
00:44:31,442 --> 00:44:34,737
can understand and operate in.
1177
00:44:34,779 --> 00:44:39,492
But what I do know,
and I know to be a fact,
1178
00:44:39,533 --> 00:44:42,078
the world of creative
has no time stamp.
1179
00:44:42,119 --> 00:44:43,496
-The world of creative, yes.
1180
00:44:43,537 --> 00:44:45,373
Behind the scenes,
I have the confidence that,
1181
00:44:45,414 --> 00:44:47,166
yeah, like, I'm gonna
make shit for sure.
1182
00:44:47,208 --> 00:44:49,919
-So if you do choose --
That's what I'm going --
1183
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,338
-So, I'm saying, like,
right now, this is --
1184
00:44:52,380 --> 00:44:55,716
The in-front-of-the-camera time,
to me, does have a window,
1185
00:44:55,758 --> 00:44:58,928
like, as far as
where kids are concerned.
1186
00:44:58,969 --> 00:45:00,763
So to me, I want
to take advantage of that.
1187
00:45:00,805 --> 00:45:06,519
-I want you to know that you
are not only a beautiful woman.
1188
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,398
-Thank you.
-You are a great representation
1189
00:45:10,439 --> 00:45:14,527
and example of what
our beautiful women
1190
00:45:14,568 --> 00:45:16,195
look like on-screen, right?
1191
00:45:16,237 --> 00:45:18,864
Like, that's real.
That's factual.
1192
00:45:18,906 --> 00:45:20,783
There's not a time stamp
on that.
1193
00:45:20,825 --> 00:45:23,119
Like, when I look
at Angela Bassett,
1194
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,705
when I look at Halle Berry --
-If you ran Hollywood,
1195
00:45:25,746 --> 00:45:29,083
then I would feel completely --
I would be like, "Oh, cool.
1196
00:45:29,125 --> 00:45:30,668
Let's have a baby tomorrow.
1197
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:32,169
We good."
-I'm just saying.
1198
00:45:32,211 --> 00:45:35,881
I'm saying, like, I get you
saying like, "If I ran."
1199
00:45:35,923 --> 00:45:38,843
You're positioning yourself
to run.
1200
00:45:38,884 --> 00:45:41,470
Like, here's
our different mental.
1201
00:45:41,512 --> 00:45:43,055
You're saying, "If I ran."
1202
00:45:43,097 --> 00:45:46,559
I don't run Hollywood,
but I run my business.
1203
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,895
And my business is very valuable
to Hollywood.
1204
00:45:49,937 --> 00:45:52,982
Hollywood needs business.
They need content.
1205
00:45:53,024 --> 00:45:55,109
We create content.
-Yes.
1206
00:45:55,151 --> 00:45:58,154
-We are a part of
the small percentage of people
1207
00:45:58,195 --> 00:46:01,407
that are talent in front
and behind the camera.
1208
00:46:01,449 --> 00:46:03,284
That does not exist.
1209
00:46:03,325 --> 00:46:08,205
So the percentile of 0.4%
that you're in,
1210
00:46:08,247 --> 00:46:10,750
it allows you to move
and operate differently.
1211
00:46:10,791 --> 00:46:12,752
I don't want to change
your mind-set.
1212
00:46:12,793 --> 00:46:14,962
I'm just trying
to make you aware.
1213
00:46:15,004 --> 00:46:19,300
You are a part
of a very small piece,
1214
00:46:19,341 --> 00:46:25,222
and this piece navigates
through hallways, back doors,
1215
00:46:25,264 --> 00:46:27,433
fucking hills, peaks, valleys.
1216
00:46:27,475 --> 00:46:30,227
-So, are you saying
get pregnant tomorrow?
1217
00:46:30,269 --> 00:46:33,773
-I'm saying that you --
I can't say it.
1218
00:46:33,814 --> 00:46:36,025
I got to be careful how I say
this because, once again,
1219
00:46:36,067 --> 00:46:39,445
I cannot speak for a woman
because I'm not a woman.
1220
00:46:39,487 --> 00:46:43,074
I'm saying that your happiness
is your happiness.
1221
00:46:43,115 --> 00:46:45,034
-I accept that.
-That's it.
1222
00:46:45,076 --> 00:46:46,118
Well, you have no choice
to accept it
1223
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:47,787
because it's actually right.
1224
00:46:47,828 --> 00:46:49,330
-Okay, well, calm down.
-Okay?
1225
00:46:49,372 --> 00:46:51,749
-Now you Hollywood.
Okay.
1226
00:46:51,791 --> 00:46:52,792
Okay.
1227
00:46:52,833 --> 00:46:54,293
"I'm correct."
-Okay.
1228
00:46:54,335 --> 00:46:55,920
Okay, guys, we're gonna
take a quick break.
1229
00:46:55,961 --> 00:46:58,506
We'll be right back with more
"Hart to Heart" after this.
1230
00:46:58,547 --> 00:47:03,386
**
1231
00:47:06,847 --> 00:47:11,977
**
1232
00:47:12,019 --> 00:47:13,062
-Welcome back
to "Hart to Heart."
1233
00:47:13,104 --> 00:47:15,064
I'm sitting here with Issa Rae.
1234
00:47:15,106 --> 00:47:17,316
Family aside, do you
come from a big family?
1235
00:47:17,358 --> 00:47:19,568
-I do.
I'm the middle of five.
1236
00:47:19,610 --> 00:47:20,611
-Five?!
-Yeah.
1237
00:47:20,653 --> 00:47:22,071
-God damn.
1238
00:47:22,113 --> 00:47:23,989
Same mom, same dad?
1239
00:47:24,031 --> 00:47:25,241
Wow!
1240
00:47:25,282 --> 00:47:27,743
-Yes.
-Wow!
1241
00:47:27,785 --> 00:47:30,079
-They made me want
to have a big family.
1242
00:47:30,121 --> 00:47:32,415
I wanted four kids.
-Dad -- good for him.
1243
00:47:32,456 --> 00:47:34,125
-Okay.
-That's what I'm talking about.
1244
00:47:34,166 --> 00:47:35,751
-No. Yeah.
-Yeah.
1245
00:47:35,793 --> 00:47:37,253
-Alright.
-Hell, yeah.
1246
00:47:37,294 --> 00:47:39,922
-Sure. But he came
from a big-ass family, too.
1247
00:47:39,964 --> 00:47:41,549
He had a lot of siblings.
1248
00:47:41,590 --> 00:47:44,427
I don't even know the number.
-I know what that mean.
1249
00:47:44,468 --> 00:47:46,303
-Yeah, I know, right?
-Yeah, I know what that mean.
1250
00:47:46,345 --> 00:47:49,098
-Yeah, you do.
-My dad had that.
1251
00:47:49,140 --> 00:47:50,599
-Your dad had that?
-Yeah, my dad passed away,
1252
00:47:50,641 --> 00:47:52,309
and I saw three niggas
at a funeral
1253
00:47:52,351 --> 00:47:56,439
that said they was
my other brothers.
1254
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,650
"I have no idea who you is."
Yeah.
1255
00:47:59,692 --> 00:48:00,985
-Did they look like you?
1256
00:48:01,027 --> 00:48:02,778
-Hey, I don't know
what they looked like.
1257
00:48:02,820 --> 00:48:04,113
"I'm Stanley."
1258
00:48:04,155 --> 00:48:05,781
"You better get the fuck
out of my face, man."
1259
00:48:05,823 --> 00:48:08,534
-[ Laughs ]
1260
00:48:08,576 --> 00:48:10,661
-"I don't know who you is.
Jack, get out of here."
1261
00:48:10,703 --> 00:48:12,288
"Yeah, I don't know if your dad
told you about me.
1262
00:48:12,329 --> 00:48:15,041
I'm Stanley."
-[ Laughs ]
1263
00:48:15,082 --> 00:48:16,667
Why are their voices so deep?
1264
00:48:16,709 --> 00:48:18,961
-I don't know who they were,
but they all talked like that.
1265
00:48:19,003 --> 00:48:22,131
They all talked like Batman.
1266
00:48:22,173 --> 00:48:24,216
"Yeah, I just wanted
to let you know --"
1267
00:48:24,258 --> 00:48:26,135
Yeah, I know exactly
what you talking about.
1268
00:48:26,177 --> 00:48:27,511
Yeah, when you said, "My dad,"
1269
00:48:27,553 --> 00:48:29,430
I know exactly
what you're talking about.
1270
00:48:29,472 --> 00:48:31,098
Okay.
But yours is different?
1271
00:48:31,140 --> 00:48:34,226
-My dad's dad, but my dad, you
know, there's only five of us.
1272
00:48:34,268 --> 00:48:36,270
I'm pretty positive of that.
1273
00:48:36,312 --> 00:48:37,688
And then my mom
had a smaller family.
1274
00:48:37,730 --> 00:48:41,317
She only had a sister.
-Okay. So all close?
1275
00:48:41,359 --> 00:48:43,110
Brothers, sisters?
-Yeah, my brothers and sisters.
1276
00:48:43,152 --> 00:48:44,487
Yeah.
-Really?
1277
00:48:44,528 --> 00:48:46,989
And the reaction to your success
from your family?
1278
00:48:47,031 --> 00:48:49,909
-So positive.
1279
00:48:49,950 --> 00:48:52,370
Yeah, just pride.
1280
00:48:53,371 --> 00:48:55,373
My dad was always like,
you know,
1281
00:48:55,414 --> 00:48:58,250
in terms of me wanting
to pursue this, was just like,
1282
00:48:58,292 --> 00:48:59,835
"This should be the backup plan.
1283
00:48:59,877 --> 00:49:03,422
You should always have,
you know, education,
1284
00:49:03,464 --> 00:49:05,007
whether it's law
or business degree.
1285
00:49:05,049 --> 00:49:06,425
Like, you just
have to have that."
1286
00:49:06,467 --> 00:49:09,178
-Do you have one?
Do you have a backup plan?
1287
00:49:09,220 --> 00:49:11,430
-Not anymore. No.
-You did at one point?
1288
00:49:11,472 --> 00:49:12,848
-Yeah, for sure.
-What was the backup plan?
1289
00:49:12,890 --> 00:49:14,141
-I mean, I was listening to him
1290
00:49:14,183 --> 00:49:16,185
'cause, you know,
I felt like I had to,
1291
00:49:16,227 --> 00:49:18,062
but I was gonna go
to law school.
1292
00:49:18,104 --> 00:49:21,107
I took the LSAT,
and then I was just like,
1293
00:49:21,148 --> 00:49:22,483
"I really don't want
to do this,"
1294
00:49:22,525 --> 00:49:24,026
'cause I had a friend
who was just like --
1295
00:49:24,068 --> 00:49:25,778
she wanted to be a lawyer.
1296
00:49:25,820 --> 00:49:27,488
And I was like,
"I don't feel that."
1297
00:49:27,530 --> 00:49:29,198
So I was like,
"Well, I love business,
1298
00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:30,533
so let me
go to business school."
1299
00:49:30,574 --> 00:49:32,785
That falls within his,
like, mandates.
1300
00:49:32,827 --> 00:49:35,871
And so just when I was
about to take the GMAT,
1301
00:49:35,913 --> 00:49:37,206
"Awkward Black Girl" popped off,
1302
00:49:37,248 --> 00:49:39,250
and I was like,
"Oh, never mind, Dad."
1303
00:49:39,291 --> 00:49:41,085
And then even still
after, like --
1304
00:49:41,127 --> 00:49:42,420
up until, like, the Shonda deal,
1305
00:49:42,461 --> 00:49:44,213
up until "Insecure,"
he was asking about,
1306
00:49:44,255 --> 00:49:45,881
like, "Well, what's up
with grad school?
1307
00:49:45,923 --> 00:49:47,216
What's up with grad school?"
1308
00:49:47,258 --> 00:49:48,467
-When did it click
and become a reality,
1309
00:49:48,509 --> 00:49:50,052
like, okay, "My daughter
is successful"?
1310
00:49:50,094 --> 00:49:51,429
-When I was on "NPR."
1311
00:49:51,470 --> 00:49:54,265
Then he was like,
"Oh, wow, you're doing okay.
1312
00:49:54,306 --> 00:49:56,475
NPR.
I listen to this every morning.
1313
00:49:56,517 --> 00:49:58,102
Okay, this is a thing."
1314
00:49:58,144 --> 00:50:01,480
And so that to him was like,
"Okay, she's on the right path
1315
00:50:01,522 --> 00:50:03,983
and, you know,
she doesn't need me."
1316
00:50:04,025 --> 00:50:06,652
And that's all parents care
about, like, "Are you good?
1317
00:50:06,694 --> 00:50:09,405
Because I just want you to be
good at the end of the day."
1318
00:50:09,447 --> 00:50:11,073
But everybody else
is, like, super positive.
1319
00:50:11,115 --> 00:50:15,202
And for a while, like, my
older brothers, the top two --
1320
00:50:15,244 --> 00:50:16,746
I'm right in the middle --
my older brothers
1321
00:50:16,787 --> 00:50:21,500
were just very successful
in, like, the corporate world,
1322
00:50:21,542 --> 00:50:23,627
and the three of us,
the bottom three --
1323
00:50:23,669 --> 00:50:25,838
that's what we call ourselves --
we were kind of the losers
1324
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,257
'cause we were just --
-Well, that's aggressive.
1325
00:50:28,299 --> 00:50:29,925
-Because we were, like,
you know,
1326
00:50:29,967 --> 00:50:35,264
we didn't have traditional jobs
and we were pursuing the arts,
1327
00:50:35,306 --> 00:50:36,348
which is just like --
that's not --
1328
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:38,768
-Losers.
-[ Laughs ]
1329
00:50:38,809 --> 00:50:41,645
Yeah, my younger brothers,
you already know.
1330
00:50:41,687 --> 00:50:43,939
You know if your kids came
to you and were just like,
1331
00:50:43,981 --> 00:50:45,107
"I want to be..."
1332
00:50:45,149 --> 00:50:46,400
-That's why that
big-family shit,
1333
00:50:46,442 --> 00:50:47,651
that's not what
people think it is.
1334
00:50:47,693 --> 00:50:49,445
You get some kids early
that pop off
1335
00:50:49,487 --> 00:50:51,113
and do what they're supposed to.
1336
00:50:51,155 --> 00:50:54,283
You young, you come out as the
rebel and you're more creative.
1337
00:50:54,325 --> 00:50:56,410
"Get your stupid ass upstairs
and read a book."
1338
00:50:56,452 --> 00:50:58,662
Yeah, that's exactly
what it becomes.
1339
00:50:58,704 --> 00:51:02,249
-But we're all good now, like,
and we're all, you know...
1340
00:51:02,291 --> 00:51:03,626
-What does your mom and dad do?
1341
00:51:03,667 --> 00:51:05,878
-My mom is a teacher.
My dad is a doctor.
1342
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,296
-Wow.
I love it.
1343
00:51:07,338 --> 00:51:08,839
-Yeah.
-I love the foundation.
1344
00:51:08,881 --> 00:51:12,134
It was like a solid foundation,
solid home growing up.
1345
00:51:12,176 --> 00:51:14,804
-Mm-hmm.
Yeah, he was...
1346
00:51:14,845 --> 00:51:18,682
he was from Senegal and built
a practice in Inglewood.
1347
00:51:18,724 --> 00:51:23,312
I only realized, like,
the parallels between us, like,
1348
00:51:23,354 --> 00:51:27,566
and how me watching him
from a distance,
1349
00:51:27,608 --> 00:51:30,778
like, build this practice,
this clinic in Inglewood
1350
00:51:30,820 --> 00:51:32,613
and have, you know,
the respect of the neighborhood,
1351
00:51:32,655 --> 00:51:34,365
'cause when I was growing up
and I was going to school,
1352
00:51:34,407 --> 00:51:36,033
people would be like,
"Oh, your dad is my doctor."
1353
00:51:36,075 --> 00:51:39,120
They'd see my last name and
they'd be like, "Oh, Dr. Diop."
1354
00:51:39,161 --> 00:51:40,329
Actually, it's "jope."
1355
00:51:40,371 --> 00:51:41,831
"Oh, Dr. Diop,
that's my doctor."
1356
00:51:41,872 --> 00:51:43,958
And I'd be like -- You know,
I'd feel proud of that.
1357
00:51:43,999 --> 00:51:46,168
-You knew everybody's business.
1358
00:51:46,210 --> 00:51:48,587
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
1359
00:51:48,629 --> 00:51:51,257
"I know what you got, Stan.
Mm-hmm.
1360
00:51:51,298 --> 00:51:53,342
You burning, ain't you?
1361
00:51:53,384 --> 00:51:55,136
Dad told me."
1362
00:51:55,177 --> 00:51:56,429
"Shut up, Issa!"
1363
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:58,347
"I just wanted
to let you know I know.
1364
00:51:58,389 --> 00:52:00,349
Get your dirty dick ass
up out of here.
1365
00:52:00,391 --> 00:52:01,600
I know exactly what..."
1366
00:52:01,642 --> 00:52:03,769
-First of all,
he's a pediatrician.
1367
00:52:03,811 --> 00:52:05,604
So...
1368
00:52:05,646 --> 00:52:10,526
-Oh, I chose wrong.
[ Both laugh ]
1369
00:52:10,568 --> 00:52:13,279
-So, no, I didn't know
about the kids' pee-pees.
1370
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:14,613
-Got it, got it, got it.
1371
00:52:14,655 --> 00:52:17,158
-And then she was
a French teacher at, like,
1372
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:21,829
you know,
some hood high schools.
1373
00:52:21,871 --> 00:52:25,041
-You know, Issa,
talking to people is one thing.
1374
00:52:25,082 --> 00:52:27,710
Respecting them is
completely another, right?
1375
00:52:27,752 --> 00:52:30,296
Like, it's a much bigger deal
1376
00:52:30,337 --> 00:52:32,715
when you have
a high level of respect.
1377
00:52:32,757 --> 00:52:36,260
Not only do I respect you,
I love your hustle.
1378
00:52:36,302 --> 00:52:38,763
I love that you're not done.
1379
00:52:38,804 --> 00:52:41,015
Coming on this show, giving me
an opportunity to talk to you,
1380
00:52:41,057 --> 00:52:43,768
that's one thing, but giving me
more of an opportunity
1381
00:52:43,809 --> 00:52:47,396
to respect you more than I did,
that's another, and I really do.
1382
00:52:47,438 --> 00:52:51,734
I love the fact
that I now have this,
1383
00:52:51,776 --> 00:52:53,986
because now you got to talk to
me differently when I call you.
1384
00:52:54,028 --> 00:52:55,529
-[ Laughs ]
1385
00:52:55,571 --> 00:52:57,239
-You can't think
I'm full of shit,
1386
00:52:57,281 --> 00:52:58,783
and you got to get out your head
1387
00:52:58,824 --> 00:53:01,494
when it comes to what we can do
and how we can do it.
1388
00:53:01,535 --> 00:53:03,704
And if we don't
do something together,
1389
00:53:03,746 --> 00:53:06,374
then we've done
ourselves a disservice.
1390
00:53:06,415 --> 00:53:07,625
-Facts.
-Can we agree on that?
1391
00:53:07,666 --> 00:53:10,044
-Yes.
-Whatever that thing is,
1392
00:53:10,086 --> 00:53:11,629
there's no reason why my world
1393
00:53:11,670 --> 00:53:14,924
and your world can't collide
in some way, shape, or form.
1394
00:53:14,965 --> 00:53:16,926
You're doing too much,
and so am I.
1395
00:53:16,967 --> 00:53:18,719
I don't want to watch you do it
by yourself.
1396
00:53:18,761 --> 00:53:21,013
Don't fucking feel
like you're gonna bother me,
1397
00:53:21,055 --> 00:53:22,431
because you're not.
1398
00:53:22,473 --> 00:53:24,183
-You guys heard it live.
1399
00:53:24,225 --> 00:53:25,851
I want to --
-This is not live.
1400
00:53:25,893 --> 00:53:27,269
-I want everybody to hold him --
-Okay.
1401
00:53:27,311 --> 00:53:28,604
-No, it's live.
-It's not live.
1402
00:53:28,646 --> 00:53:30,856
-Right now, it's 3:52.
-Don't do that.
1403
00:53:30,898 --> 00:53:33,567
You just messed up the
opportunity to go live, okay?
1404
00:53:33,609 --> 00:53:35,986
You just messed it up.
Issa, it's not live.
1405
00:53:36,028 --> 00:53:37,405
-It's 3:52 right now.
1406
00:53:37,446 --> 00:53:38,614
And that's an accurate time
1407
00:53:38,656 --> 00:53:40,157
because this is coming
to an end.
1408
00:53:40,199 --> 00:53:42,702
-Okay.
-So hold him accountable.
1409
00:53:42,743 --> 00:53:45,246
-Okay.
You get what I'm saying.
1410
00:53:45,287 --> 00:53:48,499
Don't fucking do us
a disservice.
1411
00:53:48,541 --> 00:53:50,000
Let's figure it out.
-Okay.
1412
00:53:50,042 --> 00:53:51,794
-Congrats on all your success.
Cheers to you.
1413
00:53:51,836 --> 00:53:54,255
-Thank you so much.
Hustle, man. Appreciate you.
1414
00:53:54,296 --> 00:53:55,756
-I appreciate you.
1415
00:53:55,798 --> 00:53:57,550
This is "Hart to Heart."
It doesn't get better than that.
1416
00:53:57,591 --> 00:53:59,260
The conversations
are conversations
1417
00:53:59,301 --> 00:54:00,970
that should be had.
Why?
1418
00:54:01,011 --> 00:54:02,763
Well, because nobody else
is having them.
1419
00:54:02,805 --> 00:54:04,724
Why?
Well, because nobody else can.
1420
00:54:04,765 --> 00:54:08,477
'Cause they don't
have this host.
1421
00:54:08,519 --> 00:54:11,856
My name is Kevin Hart,
and this is Issa Rae.
1422
00:54:13,566 --> 00:54:15,943
Come on, guys.
Give it to her how we always do.
1423
00:54:15,985 --> 00:54:17,611
That's right.
-Thank you so much.
1424
00:54:17,653 --> 00:54:19,238
[ Applause ]
1425
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:27,913
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