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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,928 --> 00:00:14,139 (ambient street noise) 2 00:00:27,318 --> 00:00:28,570 Anonymous Victim: I can, I can do that. 3 00:00:28,653 --> 00:00:30,905 I can do it more like it's a slideshow 4 00:00:30,989 --> 00:00:32,866 rather than a video, because my memory-- 5 00:00:32,949 --> 00:00:34,826 it's, it's 30 years ago. 6 00:00:34,868 --> 00:00:36,494 What I can remember is... 7 00:00:38,788 --> 00:00:40,457 sitting in the Five Oaks. 8 00:00:41,416 --> 00:00:43,168 There's a person on my left. 9 00:00:43,710 --> 00:00:46,212 I remember he had a blue jacket on. 10 00:00:47,005 --> 00:00:48,506 He bought me a drink, 11 00:00:48,548 --> 00:00:52,635 and he had what he called a gym bag with him. 12 00:00:54,179 --> 00:00:58,433 And I remember thinking that wasn't a gym bag, 13 00:00:59,351 --> 00:01:01,436 that it was a tool bag. 14 00:01:03,188 --> 00:01:04,813 I don't remember how long after, 15 00:01:04,855 --> 00:01:10,028 but I started feeling what I thought was drunk. 16 00:01:10,111 --> 00:01:12,072 I thought, "Gee, I wonder if I'm sick." 17 00:01:12,155 --> 00:01:15,325 And I remember excusing myself to go home. 18 00:01:16,785 --> 00:01:18,620 I was making my way home. 19 00:01:18,703 --> 00:01:22,207 And then all of a sudden, this man appeared at my side, 20 00:01:22,664 --> 00:01:25,794 and it was the man from the Five Oaks. 21 00:01:27,879 --> 00:01:30,215 And he said, "Oh, are you okay? You seem unsteady. 22 00:01:30,256 --> 00:01:32,342 Let me help you. Let me help you. Let me help." 23 00:01:32,676 --> 00:01:34,594 So the next thing I can remember 24 00:01:34,678 --> 00:01:37,389 is making it into my building, 25 00:01:37,806 --> 00:01:38,765 he's still with me. 26 00:01:38,848 --> 00:01:40,265 Making it to my door, 27 00:01:40,350 --> 00:01:41,518 he's still with me. 28 00:01:41,559 --> 00:01:43,895 I opened my door and he comes-- 29 00:01:43,978 --> 00:01:45,354 He lets himself in. 30 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,319 I remember opening my eyes, and my face was on the rug. 31 00:01:51,402 --> 00:01:54,572 I'm passing out. I can hardly stay awake. 32 00:01:55,156 --> 00:01:59,327 I looked up, and he was looking at me. 33 00:01:59,411 --> 00:02:01,329 This I remember very clearly. 34 00:02:01,663 --> 00:02:05,208 He looked at me like I was a bug under glass. 35 00:02:08,711 --> 00:02:10,547 He went to the bathroom. 36 00:02:10,588 --> 00:02:12,757 I remember looking up and seeing his bag, 37 00:02:13,717 --> 00:02:15,093 and I reached for it 38 00:02:15,176 --> 00:02:18,430 and I unzippered it and I saw a rope. 39 00:02:20,015 --> 00:02:23,351 And I thought, "Oh, shit, this is, this is bad." 40 00:02:23,810 --> 00:02:27,522 I got myself up onto my knees, and I said, "I need air. 41 00:02:27,605 --> 00:02:28,648 I need air." 42 00:02:29,858 --> 00:02:30,900 Picked his bag up. 43 00:02:31,526 --> 00:02:33,611 I opened the door. I went out to the hall. 44 00:02:33,653 --> 00:02:35,780 And I started walking towards the elevator. 45 00:02:35,864 --> 00:02:38,283 He started walking towards the elevator. 46 00:02:39,159 --> 00:02:40,994 And I just darted back, 47 00:02:41,077 --> 00:02:42,579 darted right back into my apartment, 48 00:02:42,620 --> 00:02:44,539 slammed the door, double locked it, 49 00:02:44,622 --> 00:02:47,208 and he came back and I heard the door going... 50 00:02:47,292 --> 00:02:48,251 (imitating door rattling) 51 00:02:48,293 --> 00:02:51,463 (tense music playing) 52 00:02:54,174 --> 00:02:55,300 And I passed out. 53 00:02:56,926 --> 00:02:59,846 ♪ ♪ 54 00:03:08,063 --> 00:03:11,316 (dramatic theme music playing) 55 00:03:41,971 --> 00:03:45,225 (footsteps crunching) 56 00:03:48,853 --> 00:03:51,189 Thomas Hayes: I was working as a detective 57 00:03:51,231 --> 00:03:53,358 in the major crime homicide unit 58 00:03:54,234 --> 00:03:55,652 when that call came in. 59 00:03:56,945 --> 00:03:59,364 It was May 10th of '93. 60 00:04:00,365 --> 00:04:02,200 Male body parts were found 61 00:04:02,534 --> 00:04:05,662 in a heavily wooded area in New Jersey. 62 00:04:07,330 --> 00:04:09,791 A gentleman who lived in the area, 63 00:04:09,874 --> 00:04:13,336 he heard the noise of a blimp in the sky. 64 00:04:13,378 --> 00:04:16,214 So he was trying to move around through the woods 65 00:04:16,255 --> 00:04:18,466 to get a better view of the blimp. 66 00:04:22,012 --> 00:04:23,388 And he came across a bag 67 00:04:23,430 --> 00:04:26,266 where he thought maybe it was a deer carcass. 68 00:04:26,725 --> 00:04:29,352 And he saw a human arm hanging out of a bag. 69 00:04:33,857 --> 00:04:37,402 Detective Mike Mohel did respond to the scene. 70 00:04:38,695 --> 00:04:40,113 Mike Mohel: As soon as we exited the car, 71 00:04:40,196 --> 00:04:41,239 which was a distance away 72 00:04:41,281 --> 00:04:42,866 from where the bags were found, 73 00:04:43,199 --> 00:04:46,786 the stench of decomposition was heavy. 74 00:04:48,079 --> 00:04:49,205 I knew right away 75 00:04:49,247 --> 00:04:51,499 that we were dealing with a dead body. 76 00:04:52,792 --> 00:04:55,378 I-I think some animal activity had taken place 77 00:04:55,420 --> 00:04:56,755 where some of the bags were opened, 78 00:04:56,796 --> 00:04:58,757 and we could see body parts in them. 79 00:05:02,635 --> 00:05:04,429 Right away, we thought of the Mulcahy murder. 80 00:05:04,512 --> 00:05:05,764 Reporter: The murder of a married, 81 00:05:05,847 --> 00:05:08,808 middle-aged businessman from Massachusetts... 82 00:05:10,101 --> 00:05:12,479 Hayes: The wooded area where he was found, 83 00:05:12,562 --> 00:05:15,774 it was in close proximity to the Mulcahy body. 84 00:05:16,566 --> 00:05:20,320 And based on the way the bodies were dismembered, 85 00:05:20,904 --> 00:05:22,822 both cases, the head was severed, 86 00:05:22,906 --> 00:05:25,325 the torso was cut in two pieces, 87 00:05:25,700 --> 00:05:26,785 the arms were both severed, 88 00:05:26,868 --> 00:05:29,788 and both legs were severed with a saw. 89 00:05:31,581 --> 00:05:32,874 Mohel: The evidence was collected 90 00:05:32,957 --> 00:05:35,585 from the scene itself of our victim. 91 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,798 We had fingerprints from our bags. 92 00:05:41,341 --> 00:05:42,926 (Mark Woodfield speaking) 93 00:06:21,798 --> 00:06:23,174 It doesn't happen often anywhere 94 00:06:23,258 --> 00:06:25,552 in the state of New Jersey we're gonna have two crimes 95 00:06:25,635 --> 00:06:26,803 that are that similar 96 00:06:26,845 --> 00:06:28,555 in close proximity to each other. 97 00:06:28,638 --> 00:06:30,890 We knew we had a serial situation. 98 00:06:39,274 --> 00:06:41,109 (ambient traffic noise) 99 00:06:42,110 --> 00:06:43,528 (birds chirping) 100 00:06:44,029 --> 00:06:46,740 Jose Luis Marrero: When the cops came to my house, 101 00:06:47,115 --> 00:06:50,159 I'll never forget. I was cleaning the basement. 102 00:06:50,201 --> 00:06:52,412 My wife said, "The cops are here." 103 00:06:52,495 --> 00:06:54,539 I said, "The cops? What's the, what's the problem?" 104 00:06:55,165 --> 00:06:58,710 So I came up. One of the, the cops tells me, you know, 105 00:06:59,044 --> 00:07:02,464 "You got a brother named Eddie or Tony?" 106 00:07:02,547 --> 00:07:04,466 I said, "Yeah, that was my little brother." 107 00:07:05,133 --> 00:07:07,886 He said, "Well, we found him dead in New Jersey. 108 00:07:08,553 --> 00:07:11,931 They chopped him up and put him in the bag. And..." 109 00:07:13,141 --> 00:07:14,976 I went upstairs, I took a shower. 110 00:07:15,268 --> 00:07:16,936 I laid down, and I said, 111 00:07:17,228 --> 00:07:18,355 "My little brother is dead." 112 00:07:18,396 --> 00:07:21,483 I-- I didn't believe it. I didn't believe it. 113 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:23,651 I still don't believe it. 114 00:07:23,735 --> 00:07:25,945 I don't even believe it because I-- 115 00:07:26,029 --> 00:07:28,782 Tony nev-- never, you know, get in trouble. 116 00:07:31,701 --> 00:07:33,078 I got two sisters, 117 00:07:33,370 --> 00:07:35,663 and we were five brothers. 118 00:07:37,999 --> 00:07:41,211 The little one was, uh, Eddie. That's Tony. 119 00:07:41,586 --> 00:07:43,421 Since he was small, we called him Tony. 120 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,049 But his real name is Eddie Marrero. Yeah. 121 00:07:51,429 --> 00:07:53,431 All my brothers, they were born 122 00:07:53,473 --> 00:07:55,183 in Las Marías, Puerto Rico. 123 00:07:57,852 --> 00:07:59,646 When we were in Puerto Rico, we were real poor. 124 00:08:00,188 --> 00:08:02,190 But it was still, it was nice. It was nice. 125 00:08:02,273 --> 00:08:05,360 We'd go swimming every day. We'd go fishing every day. 126 00:08:06,111 --> 00:08:09,781 Sunday, go to church. That's the only thing we got. 127 00:08:09,823 --> 00:08:11,825 Even Tony used to go to church a lot. 128 00:08:14,244 --> 00:08:15,120 I remember... 129 00:08:16,371 --> 00:08:17,622 (chuckles) 130 00:08:24,295 --> 00:08:25,630 I'll never forget that. 131 00:08:27,090 --> 00:08:28,842 We used to get along 132 00:08:29,634 --> 00:08:30,969 and when we moved to Philadelphia, 133 00:08:31,011 --> 00:08:33,554 that's when everybody started going different ways. 134 00:08:49,487 --> 00:08:50,613 You know? 135 00:08:56,244 --> 00:08:57,996 (director speaking) 136 00:09:01,458 --> 00:09:03,710 Oh, no, I don't think he was, uh-uh, gay 137 00:09:03,793 --> 00:09:05,170 or anything like that, you know? 138 00:09:05,253 --> 00:09:06,254 No. 139 00:09:08,048 --> 00:09:09,883 He must have hang around with gay people, 140 00:09:09,966 --> 00:09:11,801 you know, when he go to bars or something. 141 00:09:11,843 --> 00:09:13,553 But he wasn't gay, you know? 142 00:09:14,721 --> 00:09:16,348 Antonio Marrero: This was in California, right? 143 00:09:16,389 --> 00:09:17,682 Yeah, this is in California. 144 00:09:17,766 --> 00:09:20,018 This is my father. And my mother. 145 00:09:20,393 --> 00:09:21,436 -That's Tony. -Antonio: Yep. 146 00:09:21,519 --> 00:09:22,645 Jose Luis: When he was small. Yeah. 147 00:09:23,146 --> 00:09:25,106 -I don't remember-- -Antonio: How, how tall was he? 148 00:09:25,190 --> 00:09:26,941 -You always say he was the small one. -Jose Luis: No, he-- 149 00:09:27,025 --> 00:09:28,860 -Antonio: Like me? Like-- -Jose Luis: Yeah, he-- 150 00:09:28,943 --> 00:09:31,738 Antonio: Five, I'm 5'2" on a good day. 151 00:09:31,821 --> 00:09:33,615 Jose Luis: Yeah, he's like 5'3" or 5'4". 152 00:09:33,698 --> 00:09:35,492 Probably. He was little- Just a little bit. 153 00:09:35,533 --> 00:09:36,618 -Yeah? -Jose Luis: Yeah. 154 00:09:37,118 --> 00:09:40,372 Antonio: I am related to Tony Marrero, Uncle Tony. 155 00:09:40,872 --> 00:09:42,540 I am his great-nephew. 156 00:09:42,874 --> 00:09:44,918 Um, and he would be my great uncle. 157 00:09:45,001 --> 00:09:46,044 He's my grandfather's brother. 158 00:09:46,127 --> 00:09:48,046 Juanita: Your grandfather and his sister. 159 00:09:48,630 --> 00:09:49,798 Antonio: For my grandfather, 160 00:09:49,881 --> 00:09:52,133 there was this... hesitation 161 00:09:52,217 --> 00:09:54,803 about Tony's sexuality. 162 00:09:54,886 --> 00:09:57,180 There's this still ingrained, um, sense 163 00:09:57,222 --> 00:09:59,182 of he doesn't want to see his brother, 164 00:10:00,350 --> 00:10:01,893 who he knew for so long, 165 00:10:01,976 --> 00:10:04,020 to suddenly just this revelation, 166 00:10:04,062 --> 00:10:06,856 um, of his sexuality being anything different. 167 00:10:06,898 --> 00:10:09,484 ...California? When you-- did you go to visit? 168 00:10:09,567 --> 00:10:10,485 Jose Luis: Yeah, I think... 169 00:10:10,568 --> 00:10:12,070 Antonio: The Marreros grew up 170 00:10:12,153 --> 00:10:14,489 with a sense of hypermasculinity 171 00:10:15,115 --> 00:10:18,743 and this religious aspect of, you know, family. 172 00:10:19,744 --> 00:10:21,121 We were Roman Catholic 173 00:10:21,454 --> 00:10:24,582 and from my other family members, 174 00:10:24,624 --> 00:10:27,043 I would hear, "Your Great Uncle Tony, 175 00:10:27,127 --> 00:10:28,003 "he was a faggot. 176 00:10:28,086 --> 00:10:29,629 "That's how he ended up like that. 177 00:10:30,171 --> 00:10:32,173 "If that's the kind of lifestyle he led, 178 00:10:32,257 --> 00:10:34,676 that's what ends up to those, to those people." 179 00:10:34,759 --> 00:10:36,344 And it was less of 180 00:10:36,928 --> 00:10:38,888 "That's just the eventuality 181 00:10:39,431 --> 00:10:41,641 of being in that lifestyle," 182 00:10:42,434 --> 00:10:43,685 and more of 183 00:10:44,519 --> 00:10:45,895 "I hope that's what happens, 184 00:10:45,937 --> 00:10:48,231 you know, to people in that lifestyle." 185 00:10:51,026 --> 00:10:53,987 I knew I was bisexual since I was young. 186 00:10:54,446 --> 00:10:58,408 So when my parents found out about my sexuality, 187 00:10:59,492 --> 00:11:01,286 they said, "Never come home. 188 00:11:01,327 --> 00:11:02,454 Don't come home again." 189 00:11:02,537 --> 00:11:03,580 And, uh, 190 00:11:03,955 --> 00:11:06,332 I have not talked to them since 2010. 191 00:11:06,416 --> 00:11:07,584 This was in 2010. 192 00:11:08,043 --> 00:11:11,755 Man: When my son told me he was gay, he said, 193 00:11:11,796 --> 00:11:14,883 "What would be worse than, than being gay?" 194 00:11:14,966 --> 00:11:17,093 And I said, "I'd rather see you have cancer." 195 00:11:17,135 --> 00:11:19,637 And when I went to see my parish priest, 196 00:11:19,721 --> 00:11:21,639 he said to me, "He has to go." 197 00:11:21,931 --> 00:11:23,308 That, that he has to get out of the house 198 00:11:23,391 --> 00:11:25,935 because he's gonna influence my other two boys. 199 00:11:26,728 --> 00:11:28,104 Matt Foreman: I think a lot of gay people 200 00:11:28,146 --> 00:11:30,857 grew up in a household where your father said 201 00:11:31,649 --> 00:11:33,485 bad things about gay people. 202 00:11:33,526 --> 00:11:36,946 And part of that was, uh, frankly, 203 00:11:36,988 --> 00:11:40,283 the way in which institutions in our society, 204 00:11:40,325 --> 00:11:42,452 the Roman Catholic Church in particular, 205 00:11:42,869 --> 00:11:44,245 you know, demonized us. 206 00:11:45,038 --> 00:11:47,248 That ingrained hatred against us, 207 00:11:47,332 --> 00:11:49,584 that doesn't come out of nowhere. 208 00:11:49,668 --> 00:11:51,544 You're not born hating 209 00:11:51,628 --> 00:11:53,296 and wanting to murder gay people. 210 00:11:53,338 --> 00:11:55,256 Something happened. 211 00:11:55,340 --> 00:11:57,967 Anita Bryant (singing): ♪ Yes ♪ 212 00:11:58,009 --> 00:12:03,098 ♪ Jesus loves me... ♪ 213 00:12:03,181 --> 00:12:04,724 Reporter: Anita Bryant was once known 214 00:12:04,808 --> 00:12:06,643 as an orange juice saleswoman. 215 00:12:06,685 --> 00:12:07,977 Not anymore. 216 00:12:08,019 --> 00:12:09,813 With a religious fervor that has made her 217 00:12:09,854 --> 00:12:12,065 America's most controversial woman overnight, 218 00:12:12,148 --> 00:12:14,943 she has been selling her Save Our Children group. 219 00:12:15,026 --> 00:12:16,736 Bryant: According to the word of God, 220 00:12:16,820 --> 00:12:19,030 it's an abomination. 221 00:12:19,114 --> 00:12:22,283 Homosexuals cannot reproduce biologically, 222 00:12:22,367 --> 00:12:26,246 but they have to reproduce by recruiting our children. 223 00:12:28,206 --> 00:12:30,709 Foreman: Anita Bryant was a former Miss Oklahoma 224 00:12:31,501 --> 00:12:36,006 who organized this widely publicized attack 225 00:12:36,047 --> 00:12:38,299 on our very basic rights. 226 00:12:38,383 --> 00:12:40,427 Extremely religious, she says she feels 227 00:12:40,510 --> 00:12:43,680 that God has singled her out to spearhead a crusade 228 00:12:43,722 --> 00:12:47,350 to prevent admitted homosexuals from teaching her children. 229 00:12:47,392 --> 00:12:50,270 Foreman: She decided that an ordinance 230 00:12:50,353 --> 00:12:51,730 in Miami Dade County 231 00:12:51,813 --> 00:12:54,232 that was passed to outlaw discrimination 232 00:12:54,274 --> 00:12:57,736 against gay people needed to be repealed. 233 00:12:58,194 --> 00:12:59,946 Reporter: Anita Bryant has rallied thousands 234 00:13:00,030 --> 00:13:01,990 of fundamentalist Christians to her side 235 00:13:02,073 --> 00:13:04,617 for a strong anti-homosexual counterattack. 236 00:13:04,701 --> 00:13:06,494 For the first time, uh, 237 00:13:06,578 --> 00:13:09,039 I know the Christian community have never been involved 238 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,332 in any political controversial issue, 239 00:13:11,416 --> 00:13:14,794 and they're not only involved, uh, but they're committed. 240 00:13:14,878 --> 00:13:15,920 Foreman: That Anita campaign 241 00:13:16,004 --> 00:13:17,756 was wildly successful for them. 242 00:13:17,839 --> 00:13:20,133 (audience applauding) 243 00:13:20,216 --> 00:13:21,843 Reporter 1: It was a decisive end 244 00:13:21,926 --> 00:13:24,220 to Dade County's homosexual controversy. 245 00:13:24,262 --> 00:13:26,264 Miamians told their elected officials 246 00:13:26,348 --> 00:13:29,476 they wanted no part of a law which protects homosexuals. 247 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,436 Bea Hanson: It is kind of a watershed moment 248 00:13:31,478 --> 00:13:34,481 that then creates this tsunami effect 249 00:13:34,564 --> 00:13:35,523 across the country. 250 00:13:35,857 --> 00:13:36,900 Reporter 2: Opponents declared 251 00:13:36,941 --> 00:13:39,110 that homosexuality is a disease 252 00:13:39,194 --> 00:13:41,446 and called for repeal of the amendment... 253 00:13:41,780 --> 00:13:43,323 Pat Buchanan: It is my deep-felt belief 254 00:13:43,406 --> 00:13:46,701 that it is morally wrong, that it is socially ruinous... 255 00:13:46,785 --> 00:13:48,912 Jerry Falwell: Homosexual promiscuity, it's a violation 256 00:13:48,953 --> 00:13:50,914 of God's laws, laws of nature and decency... 257 00:13:50,955 --> 00:13:53,875 It's just as big an aberration as bestiality or... 258 00:13:53,958 --> 00:13:55,794 Spreading disease from one to the other... 259 00:13:55,835 --> 00:13:58,505 You cannot be saved in homosexuality. 260 00:13:58,588 --> 00:13:59,631 Crowd (chanting): Gays suck! 261 00:13:59,673 --> 00:14:01,633 Gays suck! Gays suck! 262 00:14:01,675 --> 00:14:02,884 Gays suck! 263 00:14:02,967 --> 00:14:04,344 Foreman: And, you know, people say, 264 00:14:04,427 --> 00:14:07,806 "Oh, politicians, you know, say just anti-gay rhetoric, 265 00:14:07,847 --> 00:14:08,973 but it doesn't mean anything." 266 00:14:09,057 --> 00:14:11,351 It absolutely has consequence. 267 00:14:11,685 --> 00:14:15,105 It's basically a call to arms. "Go after them, beat them up." 268 00:14:15,146 --> 00:14:17,649 Murdered out in Queens in a gay cruising area. 269 00:14:17,691 --> 00:14:18,858 Brutal killing of a gay man... 270 00:14:18,942 --> 00:14:21,111 Brutally murdered by three men... 271 00:14:21,528 --> 00:14:24,114 When you have people in power talking hate, 272 00:14:24,155 --> 00:14:25,657 there's a resulting increase 273 00:14:25,740 --> 00:14:27,242 in violence in those communities. 274 00:14:27,826 --> 00:14:29,494 Newsreader: Witnesses have told police 275 00:14:29,536 --> 00:14:32,372 that the accused murderers in stabbing Hillsborough 276 00:14:32,455 --> 00:14:33,707 more than 15 times 277 00:14:33,790 --> 00:14:36,292 said, "Here's one for Anita." 278 00:14:39,838 --> 00:14:42,507 Hanson: And most of those homicides had 279 00:14:42,549 --> 00:14:44,342 what we called overkill. 280 00:14:44,718 --> 00:14:46,011 They were particularly brutal. 281 00:14:46,094 --> 00:14:48,638 It wasn't just like shooting somebody in the head. 282 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,974 It is beating them 283 00:14:51,016 --> 00:14:53,476 and stabbing them multiple times. 284 00:14:53,518 --> 00:14:55,353 Andy Humm: In the last three years, there have been 285 00:14:55,437 --> 00:14:58,523 151 documented anti-gay murders. 286 00:14:58,606 --> 00:15:02,027 And 60 percent were victims of what is called overkill. 287 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,946 Hanson: For this case, there was a serial killer 288 00:15:05,030 --> 00:15:07,907 where people's bodies were dismembered. 289 00:15:09,159 --> 00:15:10,201 Foreman: There was something, 290 00:15:10,243 --> 00:15:13,830 is something, inside this man's mind 291 00:15:14,372 --> 00:15:18,043 that made him hate gay people 292 00:15:18,126 --> 00:15:20,253 enough to want to, 293 00:15:20,337 --> 00:15:21,796 to butcher them. 294 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:23,089 It was something deep 295 00:15:23,173 --> 00:15:24,716 that was coming out that was angry. 296 00:15:24,799 --> 00:15:26,259 It wasn't just, "I want you dead." 297 00:15:26,343 --> 00:15:28,094 It was, "I want you to suffer." 298 00:15:40,899 --> 00:15:43,943 (ambient traffic noise) 299 00:15:44,694 --> 00:15:47,113 Hanson: At AVP, we were constantly looking 300 00:15:47,197 --> 00:15:49,699 at the newspapers to identify 301 00:15:49,741 --> 00:15:51,576 possibly gay men who were killed. 302 00:15:52,243 --> 00:15:55,246 And that's how I found out about Anthony Marrero. 303 00:15:56,623 --> 00:15:59,084 Foreman: Well, I remember the murder of Anthony Marrero 304 00:15:59,125 --> 00:16:02,128 because he was different, 305 00:16:02,545 --> 00:16:08,009 uh, from the preceding two victims. 306 00:16:08,093 --> 00:16:11,054 Hanson: At the Townhouse you had Peter Anderson 307 00:16:11,096 --> 00:16:12,972 and Thomas Mulcahy. 308 00:16:13,056 --> 00:16:16,101 Older gay white male. 309 00:16:17,394 --> 00:16:20,105 Foreman: Anthony Marrero was young. 310 00:16:20,188 --> 00:16:21,773 He was a person of color, 311 00:16:21,815 --> 00:16:24,067 and the work he did 312 00:16:24,109 --> 00:16:26,945 was very different from everyone else. 313 00:16:27,278 --> 00:16:30,281 (light music playing) 314 00:16:36,538 --> 00:16:38,581 (Jose Luis speaking) 315 00:16:44,129 --> 00:16:45,296 Jose Luis: Tony used to travel. 316 00:16:45,338 --> 00:16:47,048 He'd go to Washington, he'd go to New York, 317 00:16:47,132 --> 00:16:48,341 he'd go to Boston. 318 00:16:48,425 --> 00:16:50,301 He even went to California one time. 319 00:16:51,302 --> 00:16:54,055 I always asking, "Tony, how you get dressed all the time, 320 00:16:54,139 --> 00:16:57,767 nice shoes, nice clothes, and you don't work?" 321 00:16:57,809 --> 00:16:59,227 He said, "Well, this is my business. 322 00:16:59,310 --> 00:17:00,395 That's none of your business." 323 00:17:00,478 --> 00:17:02,522 I said, "Okay. That's all I say. 324 00:17:02,605 --> 00:17:05,483 I'm not gonna ask you no more. That's all." 325 00:17:06,067 --> 00:17:07,986 No, I cannot say 326 00:17:08,069 --> 00:17:09,695 what kind of work he was doing or not. 327 00:17:11,239 --> 00:17:12,824 Because we never did talk about it. 328 00:17:12,866 --> 00:17:15,367 You know, we didn't talk about it. 329 00:17:17,746 --> 00:17:20,540 Mohel: One of my people interviewed the brother 330 00:17:20,623 --> 00:17:22,791 of Marrero and, uh... 331 00:17:23,417 --> 00:17:25,670 they kind of knew what Anthony was, 332 00:17:26,128 --> 00:17:28,548 but they, they really didn't have much 333 00:17:28,631 --> 00:17:30,342 to, to share with us 334 00:17:30,425 --> 00:17:33,511 because of his lack of visibility to them, 335 00:17:33,595 --> 00:17:36,181 his lack of visiting, lack of discussions. 336 00:17:36,264 --> 00:17:38,266 There's this kind of, I think, 337 00:17:38,350 --> 00:17:41,144 instinctual feeling that I think is wrong that, like, 338 00:17:41,186 --> 00:17:42,520 because somebody's related to somebody 339 00:17:42,604 --> 00:17:45,231 that you kind of know them the best, you know? 340 00:17:45,315 --> 00:17:48,943 And, and, and, you know, the reality is people can hide 341 00:17:49,027 --> 00:17:53,156 a lot of things from people that they care about and love. 342 00:17:56,368 --> 00:17:59,704 I thought that the reason, 343 00:17:59,788 --> 00:18:02,540 the only reason, no one ever talked about Tony 344 00:18:02,624 --> 00:18:04,417 was because of what happened to him. 345 00:18:04,501 --> 00:18:08,213 And in the past ten years, you know, I was like, 346 00:18:08,296 --> 00:18:09,631 I should look into that more. 347 00:18:09,714 --> 00:18:13,468 This person in the community was part of my bloodline, 348 00:18:13,802 --> 00:18:16,388 and what happened to him should not have happened to anyone. 349 00:18:16,429 --> 00:18:17,681 No one deserves something like that. 350 00:18:17,722 --> 00:18:20,100 And, you know, a quick Google search would show up, 351 00:18:20,183 --> 00:18:22,519 you know, his mugshot. 352 00:18:23,353 --> 00:18:26,147 (poignant music playing) 353 00:18:29,901 --> 00:18:33,113 Hayes: We were able to identify Anthony Edward Marrero 354 00:18:33,488 --> 00:18:36,324 through some fingerprints that were submitted to AFIS, 355 00:18:36,408 --> 00:18:39,869 which is an automated fingerprint identification system, 356 00:18:39,911 --> 00:18:42,497 and we eventually got a hit. 357 00:18:44,582 --> 00:18:46,459 Mohel: Anthony was in the AFIS system 358 00:18:46,543 --> 00:18:48,420 because he had been previously arrested 359 00:18:48,461 --> 00:18:50,255 for male prostitution 360 00:18:51,006 --> 00:18:52,549 in, uh, New York City. 361 00:18:54,676 --> 00:18:57,095 Hayes: So it, it was there that we went. 362 00:18:57,595 --> 00:18:59,514 Mohel: We were looking for friends of his. 363 00:19:00,015 --> 00:19:03,059 New York City was, I mean, it was just, it was a zoo. 364 00:19:03,101 --> 00:19:04,477 ("Digital Versicolor" by Glass Candy playing) 365 00:19:04,561 --> 00:19:06,771 Person 1: I will break out tonight, New York City. 366 00:19:09,441 --> 00:19:11,026 Person 2: Basically, you're getting paid 367 00:19:11,109 --> 00:19:12,736 to get a man's rocks off. 368 00:19:14,696 --> 00:19:16,239 Ceyenne Doroshow: Back in the '80s, 369 00:19:16,448 --> 00:19:19,993 I was working in Adonis Male Movie Theater, 370 00:19:20,285 --> 00:19:22,537 and that's when I met Anthony. 371 00:19:23,413 --> 00:19:25,623 This was Adonis porn theater. 372 00:19:25,665 --> 00:19:28,585 ♪ Green, green, green, green, green ♪ 373 00:19:29,961 --> 00:19:31,087 ♪ This is blue... ♪ 374 00:19:31,129 --> 00:19:32,380 Doroshow: There was a lot of nudity, 375 00:19:32,464 --> 00:19:33,465 a lot of blowjobs, 376 00:19:33,506 --> 00:19:35,592 a lot of fucking, a lot of fisting. 377 00:19:37,218 --> 00:19:39,763 A lot of carrying on in corners. 378 00:19:39,804 --> 00:19:41,973 ♪ This is violet ♪ 379 00:19:42,015 --> 00:19:43,641 ♪ This is violet ♪ 380 00:19:43,683 --> 00:19:45,810 Doroshow: One night in the bathroom, 381 00:19:45,852 --> 00:19:47,812 Tony is getting done. 382 00:19:47,854 --> 00:19:48,813 I was in one mirror. 383 00:19:48,897 --> 00:19:51,983 He was in another mirror putting on his t-shirt, 384 00:19:52,233 --> 00:19:56,404 his jeans, wiping off his sneakers, 385 00:19:56,488 --> 00:19:59,908 and putting concealer over pimples. 386 00:19:59,991 --> 00:20:03,536 And I was like, "Guys do that?" 387 00:20:03,620 --> 00:20:04,537 Wow. 388 00:20:04,621 --> 00:20:06,456 And I-- he caught me looking 389 00:20:06,498 --> 00:20:07,582 in the mirror and he said, 390 00:20:07,665 --> 00:20:09,876 "Yes, girl, we do that, too." 391 00:20:09,959 --> 00:20:11,586 And I said, "Oh." 392 00:20:12,671 --> 00:20:14,673 He said, "Where are you going, chica?" 393 00:20:14,714 --> 00:20:18,134 I said, "Nowhere, Paco, where are you going?" 394 00:20:18,176 --> 00:20:19,719 He said, "I'm gonna hit the clubs. 395 00:20:19,803 --> 00:20:22,180 "There's a few places I go before I go. 396 00:20:22,472 --> 00:20:24,349 Come with me to Houlihan's." 397 00:20:24,683 --> 00:20:27,018 And I said, "What the fuck do you do in there?" 398 00:20:27,394 --> 00:20:29,229 He says, "So. Yes. 399 00:20:29,312 --> 00:20:32,440 "It's a place where Irish and drunk people go, 400 00:20:32,524 --> 00:20:35,819 "but it's also a place where my niche market lies. 401 00:20:36,027 --> 00:20:38,321 "I'm a stud. I go into this place 402 00:20:38,363 --> 00:20:40,615 "and I'm in these rooms playing pool, 403 00:20:40,699 --> 00:20:44,077 "and eventually they smell my female wiles, 404 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,747 and eventually I'm going home with them for a nice price." 405 00:20:48,998 --> 00:20:50,166 And we went. 406 00:20:50,542 --> 00:20:52,585 And then I got to see him, like, be on. 407 00:20:52,669 --> 00:20:55,505 ("Digital Versicolor" continues) 408 00:21:01,219 --> 00:21:02,595 Doroshow: Working the old queers, 409 00:21:02,679 --> 00:21:05,807 you couldn't really tell they were queer, 410 00:21:05,890 --> 00:21:09,269 but you could tell by the chemistry and that, 411 00:21:09,352 --> 00:21:11,312 "Oh, this is how..." 412 00:21:11,396 --> 00:21:14,399 And then you would see the transaction go down. 413 00:21:15,984 --> 00:21:20,030 I said, okay, this is, this is how it's done on that side. 414 00:21:20,905 --> 00:21:23,950 ♪ ♪ 415 00:21:26,494 --> 00:21:30,749 As our friendship progressed, we would bump into him, 416 00:21:30,832 --> 00:21:34,252 see him in the most unusual places. 417 00:21:34,336 --> 00:21:36,588 The guys worked their whole little circuit. 418 00:21:36,671 --> 00:21:40,717 Leather bars and old queen bars, 419 00:21:40,759 --> 00:21:43,261 or walking through Port Authority. 420 00:21:43,553 --> 00:21:46,389 (ambient traffic sounds) 421 00:21:48,058 --> 00:21:50,602 Reporter: Morning rush hour. Midtown Manhattan. 422 00:21:50,643 --> 00:21:52,562 Commuters hurry to work passing 423 00:21:52,604 --> 00:21:55,815 through the Port Authority bus terminal. 424 00:21:55,899 --> 00:21:56,816 Because it is located 425 00:21:56,900 --> 00:21:59,069 near the city's red light district, 426 00:21:59,110 --> 00:22:01,112 prostitutes, male and female, 427 00:22:01,196 --> 00:22:03,615 work in and outside the terminal. 428 00:22:05,408 --> 00:22:07,077 Hi, I'm Glennda Orgasm, 429 00:22:07,118 --> 00:22:10,955 and I'm reporting from Port Authority and Times Square. 430 00:22:12,999 --> 00:22:14,834 This is exciting. 431 00:22:14,918 --> 00:22:16,836 (light music playing) 432 00:22:17,587 --> 00:22:20,048 It's just the glamour and the excitement of Times Square. 433 00:22:20,131 --> 00:22:22,801 You just can't get that in other neighborhoods in New York. 434 00:22:22,884 --> 00:22:25,887 ♪ ♪ 435 00:22:25,970 --> 00:22:28,598 Person: You're going to find dealers out on the street. 436 00:22:29,099 --> 00:22:31,393 Pimps, junkies, drag queens. 437 00:22:37,649 --> 00:22:39,734 Foreman: I lived in the Port Authority block 438 00:22:40,193 --> 00:22:42,153 on 41st Street for several years 439 00:22:42,237 --> 00:22:43,446 in the late '80s. 440 00:22:44,989 --> 00:22:47,325 Port Authority was a magnet 441 00:22:47,409 --> 00:22:49,953 for sex workers, gay or straight. 442 00:23:12,851 --> 00:23:14,519 Doroshow: Port Authority was the hub. 443 00:23:14,769 --> 00:23:18,023 It was kind of the place for the sex worker runaways. 444 00:23:18,064 --> 00:23:22,694 It was kind of the place where pimps still existed. 445 00:23:24,904 --> 00:23:27,365 You would get off the red and tan line 446 00:23:27,699 --> 00:23:29,451 and see somebody getting it. 447 00:23:29,701 --> 00:23:32,579 It was in the nooks and crannies all up in there. 448 00:23:32,662 --> 00:23:36,332 In, in the darkest coves, in the staircases. 449 00:23:36,374 --> 00:23:39,711 It was not sort of a hidden thing. 450 00:23:41,212 --> 00:23:43,006 Hayes: From the time we got to Port Authority, 451 00:23:43,048 --> 00:23:45,592 we saw prostitutes, johns, 452 00:23:45,675 --> 00:23:48,094 drug use, panhandling, 453 00:23:48,345 --> 00:23:49,929 mental illness. 454 00:23:50,555 --> 00:23:51,723 It was a mess. 455 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,142 I'll never go back to New York City 456 00:23:54,225 --> 00:23:55,435 as long as I live. 457 00:23:57,687 --> 00:24:00,065 Mohel: We knew Anthony had been arrested 458 00:24:00,148 --> 00:24:01,566 by the Port Authority police. 459 00:24:01,649 --> 00:24:04,402 And we went there, and they, they kind of directed us 460 00:24:04,444 --> 00:24:05,904 to where he would hang out. 461 00:24:06,905 --> 00:24:08,031 Hayes: There was a restroom 462 00:24:08,073 --> 00:24:10,033 on the second level of Port Authority 463 00:24:10,075 --> 00:24:12,535 where Anthony Marrero 464 00:24:12,577 --> 00:24:14,079 made a lot of money 465 00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:15,914 turning tricks for $10. 466 00:24:19,834 --> 00:24:23,922 The bathrooms were high volume clientele. 467 00:24:23,963 --> 00:24:25,632 Tony could just drift in there, 468 00:24:25,715 --> 00:24:28,009 make a couple of dollars and... (snaps fingers) 469 00:24:28,093 --> 00:24:29,135 be out. 470 00:24:30,887 --> 00:24:34,432 Mohel: We were looking for some homicide suspects. 471 00:24:34,516 --> 00:24:37,060 We spoke to 10 or 15 sex workers. 472 00:24:37,686 --> 00:24:39,396 People recognized his picture, 473 00:24:39,437 --> 00:24:40,647 but they didn't really know his name. 474 00:24:40,730 --> 00:24:42,107 Some of the people in there. 475 00:24:42,941 --> 00:24:47,570 It was tough to traverse that community of sex workers 476 00:24:47,612 --> 00:24:50,115 because they don't trust law enforcement. 477 00:24:50,740 --> 00:24:52,450 But we expect that they're not gonna tell us 478 00:24:52,492 --> 00:24:54,119 a hundred percent of the truth. 479 00:24:54,369 --> 00:24:55,995 We were walking around, 480 00:24:56,705 --> 00:24:59,791 and we had our guns exposed and, and badges exposed. 481 00:24:59,833 --> 00:25:01,710 So they knew they were talking to the police. 482 00:25:01,793 --> 00:25:03,503 (indistinct radio chatter) 483 00:25:03,586 --> 00:25:05,588 Mohel: And our badges look very similar 484 00:25:05,630 --> 00:25:06,965 to New York Police Department. 485 00:25:07,465 --> 00:25:09,384 Police officer. Everybody decent in here? 486 00:25:09,467 --> 00:25:10,468 Person: Everybody's decent. 487 00:25:10,552 --> 00:25:11,678 Officer: Got everything closed up? 488 00:25:11,761 --> 00:25:12,721 Person: Yes, sir. 489 00:25:12,804 --> 00:25:14,514 Doroshow: I was doing sex work. 490 00:25:14,597 --> 00:25:15,890 And I remember 491 00:25:15,974 --> 00:25:17,434 there were those cops that said, 492 00:25:17,475 --> 00:25:18,852 "If I see you one more time, 493 00:25:18,935 --> 00:25:21,312 I'ma fuck you up and arrest you." 494 00:25:21,688 --> 00:25:24,566 And that's what scared me the most. 495 00:25:24,983 --> 00:25:27,360 Newsreader: Cops say aggressive surveillance of bathrooms 496 00:25:27,444 --> 00:25:29,696 has cut solicitation in half. 497 00:25:29,779 --> 00:25:31,239 Officer: Prostitution on a midnight tour. 498 00:25:31,322 --> 00:25:32,365 We have officers working 499 00:25:32,449 --> 00:25:34,075 on the patrol on the perimeter. 500 00:25:34,909 --> 00:25:37,037 Officer (on radio): We just directed three females downstairs 501 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:38,121 that missed their bus. 502 00:25:38,204 --> 00:25:39,914 They started putting undercovers 503 00:25:39,998 --> 00:25:41,332 in the bathroom. 504 00:25:41,416 --> 00:25:43,543 (undercover officer speaking) 505 00:25:47,756 --> 00:25:49,257 It was quite a production. 506 00:25:49,341 --> 00:25:51,259 And depending on the cop 507 00:25:51,509 --> 00:25:53,887 and depending on his comfortability, 508 00:25:53,970 --> 00:25:57,682 you might actually blow him off and then go to jail. 509 00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:02,687 And there were also so many incidents of girls 510 00:26:02,771 --> 00:26:06,483 literally fighting with police because they were brutal. 511 00:26:07,484 --> 00:26:11,571 At this time, we wouldn't put it past the police to kill us. 512 00:26:11,988 --> 00:26:13,198 So... 513 00:26:13,281 --> 00:26:15,116 (sighs) 514 00:26:15,158 --> 00:26:16,368 The police are often more 515 00:26:16,451 --> 00:26:18,161 part of the problem than the solution. 516 00:26:18,203 --> 00:26:22,040 Every year, we receive thousands of reports of, of harassment, 517 00:26:22,082 --> 00:26:25,001 uh, abuse, unequal enforcement of the law, 518 00:26:25,043 --> 00:26:26,419 deliberate mishandling of cases 519 00:26:26,503 --> 00:26:29,381 involving lesbian and gay crime victims and the like. 520 00:26:30,674 --> 00:26:33,259 The police, they were entrapping us. 521 00:26:33,343 --> 00:26:35,011 They were raiding our bars. 522 00:26:35,053 --> 00:26:38,181 Uh, they were making false arrests of gay people. 523 00:26:38,223 --> 00:26:40,308 So, it was very tough to, 524 00:26:40,392 --> 00:26:41,893 to get, to get their attention 525 00:26:41,935 --> 00:26:43,103 and get them to do things. 526 00:26:43,186 --> 00:26:45,480 And while I think most police officers 527 00:26:45,563 --> 00:26:47,565 try to be professional and do their jobs, 528 00:26:47,649 --> 00:26:49,901 many view gay people as second-class citizens, 529 00:26:49,943 --> 00:26:52,570 as people that you can, uh, walk away from, 530 00:26:52,612 --> 00:26:54,739 who you don't need to protect because they're, 531 00:26:54,823 --> 00:26:56,241 they're less than fully human. 532 00:26:56,282 --> 00:26:57,659 They're-- they don't count. 533 00:26:59,369 --> 00:27:02,205 Tell us what happened on the night of February 11th. 534 00:27:02,247 --> 00:27:03,665 Police charged the crowd, 535 00:27:03,748 --> 00:27:06,876 at which point I was clubbed in the head 536 00:27:06,918 --> 00:27:08,086 and went down to the ground 537 00:27:08,169 --> 00:27:10,296 and then repeatedly clubbed and abused. 538 00:27:10,380 --> 00:27:13,258 (crowd shouting) 539 00:27:13,925 --> 00:27:15,969 About 10 percent of our 900 cases last year 540 00:27:16,052 --> 00:27:18,596 involved police abuse of gay men and lesbians. 541 00:27:18,638 --> 00:27:20,765 It doesn't just happen in demonstration. 542 00:27:20,807 --> 00:27:22,267 It happens all the time. 543 00:27:22,350 --> 00:27:25,353 (crowd shouting) 544 00:27:25,437 --> 00:27:28,440 I was wearing a baseball cap and a big hooded sweatshirt, 545 00:27:28,481 --> 00:27:30,025 so I must have looked like a guy. 546 00:27:30,108 --> 00:27:32,235 And so one of-- a man picked me up 547 00:27:32,277 --> 00:27:34,404 and was saying, "What should we do with this faggot?" 548 00:27:34,446 --> 00:27:37,073 And another cop said, "Well, bash his head in." 549 00:27:37,115 --> 00:27:39,117 (crowd shouting) 550 00:27:45,623 --> 00:27:48,460 Right after Anthony Marrero was killed, 551 00:27:48,501 --> 00:27:50,128 we wanted to get involved 552 00:27:50,211 --> 00:27:52,881 and see if we can provide any kind of support. 553 00:27:53,131 --> 00:27:54,549 Call the police, leave messages, 554 00:27:54,632 --> 00:27:56,009 and hear nothing back from them. 555 00:27:56,092 --> 00:27:57,635 They didn't want our participation 556 00:27:57,719 --> 00:27:58,803 or help or support 557 00:27:59,054 --> 00:28:00,638 or to give us any information. 558 00:28:00,972 --> 00:28:03,641 The police didn't really want to connect Marrero 559 00:28:03,683 --> 00:28:07,062 because I think as much as the NYPD 560 00:28:07,145 --> 00:28:09,314 sort of, uh... 561 00:28:09,898 --> 00:28:12,734 didn't, didn't really take seriously crimes 562 00:28:12,817 --> 00:28:14,402 in the, in the queer community, 563 00:28:14,486 --> 00:28:16,571 it was just exponentially more 564 00:28:16,821 --> 00:28:18,990 if somebody was black or brown, 565 00:28:19,282 --> 00:28:22,660 or somebody was trans or somebody was a sex worker, 566 00:28:22,744 --> 00:28:24,162 or any combination of those things. 567 00:28:24,204 --> 00:28:27,916 And the more combinations, I think the tougher it, it was. 568 00:28:27,999 --> 00:28:30,502 We did not see the NYPD 569 00:28:30,585 --> 00:28:33,254 making any sort of substantive effort 570 00:28:33,838 --> 00:28:35,924 to investigate these crimes. 571 00:28:42,681 --> 00:28:45,684 Mohel: Once in a while, a NYPD detective would help you, 572 00:28:45,975 --> 00:28:47,852 you know, if you needed some information. 573 00:28:48,269 --> 00:28:49,187 But at that time, 574 00:28:49,270 --> 00:28:52,190 we didn't have anybody assigned to us. 575 00:28:52,857 --> 00:28:56,986 If you have three people that disappear from your city 576 00:28:57,529 --> 00:28:59,656 and they're killed just outside, 577 00:28:59,989 --> 00:29:02,992 it, it doesn't make sense that they wouldn't get involved 578 00:29:03,034 --> 00:29:04,411 and help in some way. 579 00:29:06,955 --> 00:29:08,498 Hanson: The officer from New Jersey 580 00:29:08,540 --> 00:29:09,708 was working the case, 581 00:29:09,749 --> 00:29:13,128 but we needed NYPD's resources and money. 582 00:29:16,381 --> 00:29:19,259 Mohel: In hindsight, to have an NYPD involved 583 00:29:19,342 --> 00:29:20,593 would have been helpful. 584 00:29:20,677 --> 00:29:21,803 They would know the city better. 585 00:29:21,886 --> 00:29:23,722 They would have informants on the street 586 00:29:23,805 --> 00:29:26,016 and provide a wealth of information. 587 00:29:26,307 --> 00:29:28,852 They definitely could have been involved from the get-go 588 00:29:28,893 --> 00:29:30,186 if they wanted to. 589 00:29:30,770 --> 00:29:33,398 Whether we invited them or not. 590 00:29:34,065 --> 00:29:36,443 And believe me, it was an open invitation. 591 00:29:39,446 --> 00:29:43,450 Foreman: This, uh, serial killer enjoys the hunt. 592 00:29:45,201 --> 00:29:47,829 He enjoys, uh, going after men 593 00:29:47,912 --> 00:29:49,581 that are savvy, that are smart, 594 00:29:49,664 --> 00:29:54,794 that it is a thrill for him to, in a sense, entrap them. 595 00:29:57,255 --> 00:30:00,216 And he also was enjoying playing with the police. 596 00:30:03,345 --> 00:30:07,807 I felt that the NYPD's primary role 597 00:30:07,891 --> 00:30:10,643 since they're here in New York City, 598 00:30:10,894 --> 00:30:13,980 would be to push as hard as they could 599 00:30:14,064 --> 00:30:16,358 within the gay bar community 600 00:30:16,441 --> 00:30:20,236 to come up with, uh, potential witnesses, 601 00:30:20,445 --> 00:30:21,613 potential leads. 602 00:30:21,946 --> 00:30:24,616 I felt like the New Jersey State Police 603 00:30:24,657 --> 00:30:26,618 did a much better job of that, 604 00:30:26,701 --> 00:30:27,827 a much more sensitive job. 605 00:30:27,911 --> 00:30:29,412 They were relentless in ways 606 00:30:29,454 --> 00:30:31,247 that the NYPD wasn't. 607 00:30:35,293 --> 00:30:36,878 Hayes: Through the investigation, 608 00:30:36,961 --> 00:30:39,339 we did come across Carlos Santiago, 609 00:30:39,422 --> 00:30:43,426 who lived in an apartment across from the Port Authority. 610 00:30:43,468 --> 00:30:46,137 He was a close friend of Anthony Marrero. 611 00:30:48,598 --> 00:30:52,310 When we told him that his friend was dead, he cried. 612 00:30:52,352 --> 00:30:53,478 He was very upset. 613 00:31:21,506 --> 00:31:22,716 Hayes: Carlos Santiago, 614 00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:25,176 he directed us to a married couple, 615 00:31:25,218 --> 00:31:28,513 that him and his wife were actors on Broadway, 616 00:31:28,555 --> 00:31:30,932 and that the husband 617 00:31:31,391 --> 00:31:34,769 would pay Anthony Marrero, on occasion, for sex. 618 00:31:35,353 --> 00:31:38,606 When we spoke to him, he was upset. 619 00:31:38,940 --> 00:31:40,316 He was friendly with him. 620 00:31:40,358 --> 00:31:42,193 He hadn't seen him, I believe, in a couple weeks 621 00:31:42,277 --> 00:31:44,529 prior to finding out of his death. 622 00:31:46,239 --> 00:31:48,408 But we did glean some additional information 623 00:31:48,491 --> 00:31:51,536 that, um, we thought might, might be helpful. 624 00:31:51,619 --> 00:31:53,121 Um, that Anthony, 625 00:31:53,204 --> 00:31:57,000 he was also turning his tricks on Second Avenue. 626 00:31:58,835 --> 00:32:01,046 (David Corvino speaking) 627 00:32:06,509 --> 00:32:08,887 Michael Ferreri: The area around the Townhouse 628 00:32:09,512 --> 00:32:12,140 is historically a red light district 629 00:32:12,474 --> 00:32:13,558 for male prostitutes. 630 00:32:13,641 --> 00:32:17,270 ("Somebody to Love Tonight" by Patrick Cowley playing) 631 00:32:17,812 --> 00:32:19,230 Guys who were hustlers here 632 00:32:19,272 --> 00:32:21,274 knew that they were going for big bucks. 633 00:32:21,358 --> 00:32:25,820 The crowd was older, moneyed. 634 00:32:25,904 --> 00:32:27,947 And we found out that Marrero was seen 635 00:32:28,031 --> 00:32:29,115 in the area of Townhouse, 636 00:32:29,199 --> 00:32:31,576 would hang out in front of it periodically. 637 00:32:36,748 --> 00:32:39,542 (indistinct chatter) 638 00:32:41,211 --> 00:32:44,214 (tense music playing) 639 00:32:48,009 --> 00:32:50,637 Mohel: That was a surprise. It was huge. 640 00:32:51,554 --> 00:32:55,225 Because Peter Anderson and Tom Mulcahy's last location 641 00:32:55,266 --> 00:32:58,019 that we could discern was also the Townhouse Bar. 642 00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:00,790 Antonio: I mean, I guess I could also... 643 00:34:00,832 --> 00:34:04,669 (indistinct chatter) 644 00:34:08,340 --> 00:34:09,632 Woman: How you doing? 645 00:34:09,674 --> 00:34:11,509 Antonio: Wait, where's the flan? Where's the flan? 646 00:34:11,551 --> 00:34:12,844 Woman: You have the rice, right? 647 00:34:12,927 --> 00:34:14,054 Woman 2: Si, mi amor. 648 00:34:14,137 --> 00:34:15,221 Man: He was a good guy. 649 00:34:15,638 --> 00:34:18,850 Antonio: There's still some, some gaps in the story 650 00:34:18,891 --> 00:34:22,020 about, you know, what happened to Tony and stuff like that, 651 00:34:22,103 --> 00:34:25,106 that we're also finding out. 652 00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:28,818 Growing up, all that became, "Let's keep it private." 653 00:34:28,860 --> 00:34:30,695 But when they die, 654 00:34:31,196 --> 00:34:33,031 -the stories disappear. -Family members: Right. 655 00:34:33,072 --> 00:34:35,949 And if we can't talk about it, he disappears. 656 00:34:36,034 --> 00:34:36,909 Man: Mm-hmm. 657 00:34:37,409 --> 00:34:39,245 Antonio: I'd ask about Tony. 658 00:34:39,329 --> 00:34:40,413 I was like, you know, 659 00:34:40,496 --> 00:34:42,665 "Why doesn't anyone talk about him?" 660 00:34:42,748 --> 00:34:43,875 "What if this happened to me? 661 00:34:43,958 --> 00:34:45,001 "Would you guys 662 00:34:45,460 --> 00:34:47,504 bury me like you did, you know, Tony?" 663 00:34:47,545 --> 00:34:50,255 Tony was buried by more than just cemetery dirt. 664 00:34:50,547 --> 00:34:55,053 He was buried with... the shame. 665 00:34:55,094 --> 00:34:56,971 And that really, like, 666 00:34:57,054 --> 00:35:00,392 really put him into the ground forever. 667 00:35:00,433 --> 00:35:04,062 I'm trying to change that and trying to get my family 668 00:35:04,396 --> 00:35:05,897 to talk about him now. 669 00:35:06,606 --> 00:35:08,066 Antonio: You said he was like, you know, 670 00:35:08,108 --> 00:35:09,401 a little quiet or loner, you know? 671 00:35:09,442 --> 00:35:12,028 Yeah. Tony was like, if you needed Tony, 672 00:35:12,070 --> 00:35:13,279 -Tony was there. -Antonio: Okay. 673 00:35:13,363 --> 00:35:14,906 You know? But other than that, 674 00:35:14,989 --> 00:35:16,950 he wanted to be by himself. 675 00:35:17,409 --> 00:35:19,244 Woman: What's his name, John Travolta? 676 00:35:19,327 --> 00:35:21,079 That's the way he used to dress. 677 00:35:21,162 --> 00:35:24,457 No. They just like to dress nice and look nice. 678 00:35:24,541 --> 00:35:27,210 And that's the most thing I remember about him. 679 00:35:27,252 --> 00:35:29,254 He was a very cool dresser. 680 00:35:29,337 --> 00:35:31,131 Man: But, you know, Tony did whatever he had to do-- 681 00:35:31,214 --> 00:35:32,340 Antonio: Yeah. 682 00:35:32,424 --> 00:35:34,009 -Man: to make a living, you know? -Yeah. 683 00:35:34,092 --> 00:35:36,136 Man: And that's, you know, that's something 684 00:35:36,594 --> 00:35:39,806 that, um, is very, very private for him. 685 00:35:39,889 --> 00:35:40,765 Antonio: Mm-hmm. 686 00:35:42,225 --> 00:35:45,270 Woman: That was very hard on my brother-in-law. 687 00:35:45,311 --> 00:35:47,731 It was very hard on him to know 688 00:35:47,814 --> 00:35:49,607 that they killed his brother. 689 00:35:49,649 --> 00:35:51,151 Didn't know why... 690 00:35:52,444 --> 00:35:53,695 Antonio: When Tony was killed, 691 00:35:53,778 --> 00:35:56,614 his life in New York was this microcosm 692 00:35:56,698 --> 00:35:59,909 that was so separated from his life with his family. 693 00:36:00,493 --> 00:36:03,496 We didn't-- they didn't know that universe existed. 694 00:36:05,123 --> 00:36:07,292 There was an absence of information. 695 00:36:09,252 --> 00:36:12,714 What I knew about Tony from the media 696 00:36:12,797 --> 00:36:15,342 was that Tony was a male prostitute 697 00:36:15,425 --> 00:36:16,760 and a drug addict. 698 00:36:19,804 --> 00:36:21,723 That couldn't have been it. 699 00:36:21,973 --> 00:36:23,433 No one lives just-- 700 00:36:23,475 --> 00:36:25,143 And even if that was true, 701 00:36:25,477 --> 00:36:29,314 no one lives just one... article 702 00:36:29,397 --> 00:36:31,441 or one headline of a life. 703 00:36:33,234 --> 00:36:34,069 There's more. 704 00:36:34,152 --> 00:36:37,197 (poignant music playing) 705 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,532 Hanson: Anthony Marrero was identified 706 00:36:39,616 --> 00:36:41,743 as a prostitute in "New York Times," 707 00:36:41,826 --> 00:36:45,330 it actually says, "His death ended what appeared to be 708 00:36:45,413 --> 00:36:46,623 "44 turbulent years 709 00:36:46,664 --> 00:36:48,583 "marked by a failed marriage, drug addiction, 710 00:36:48,667 --> 00:36:50,919 and ultimately gay prostitution." 711 00:36:52,170 --> 00:36:54,756 Anthony Marrero was treated differently. 712 00:36:55,298 --> 00:36:57,258 Peter Anderson and Thomas Mulcahy 713 00:36:57,300 --> 00:37:01,221 were pictured as, like, these white business guys 714 00:37:01,304 --> 00:37:03,765 who, you know, had these upstanding lives 715 00:37:03,848 --> 00:37:06,184 and were murdered. 716 00:37:06,226 --> 00:37:07,894 You know, I think it's both racism 717 00:37:07,977 --> 00:37:11,356 because he was Puerto Rican, uh, and homophobia, 718 00:37:11,439 --> 00:37:13,274 and because he was a sex worker, 719 00:37:13,358 --> 00:37:16,820 you know, just put him in a different category. 720 00:37:18,780 --> 00:37:21,658 Heterosexual reporters in the mainstream press 721 00:37:22,701 --> 00:37:25,078 have a whole range of assumptions about 722 00:37:25,537 --> 00:37:27,872 the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender community. 723 00:37:27,956 --> 00:37:30,500 I think they never question those assumptions. 724 00:37:30,917 --> 00:37:32,544 They might not even be aware 725 00:37:32,585 --> 00:37:34,379 that they have those assumptions. 726 00:37:35,255 --> 00:37:37,882 But they certainly will appear 727 00:37:38,216 --> 00:37:41,344 in their coverage of the LGBTQ community. 728 00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:45,390 It was important for me to get me and Bea 729 00:37:45,473 --> 00:37:48,893 and anyone else we could on TV 730 00:37:48,977 --> 00:37:51,021 to, to humanize gay people. 731 00:37:51,062 --> 00:37:52,564 But more importantly, 732 00:37:52,605 --> 00:37:56,568 to humanize the victims of violence. 733 00:37:56,609 --> 00:37:59,237 These are not statistics out here. 734 00:37:59,446 --> 00:38:01,239 These are real people 735 00:38:01,322 --> 00:38:04,534 that have suffered terribly for no reason 736 00:38:04,576 --> 00:38:07,537 other than they were lesbian or gay or bi or trans. 737 00:38:07,579 --> 00:38:10,415 I mean, gay hate crimes were never written about 738 00:38:10,498 --> 00:38:13,585 unless, like, I think we made a huge fuss about it. 739 00:38:13,668 --> 00:38:17,464 (protestors shouting, whistling) 740 00:38:17,839 --> 00:38:19,924 And we're heading down to NBC. Why NBC? 741 00:38:19,966 --> 00:38:22,761 Well, not NBC so much as all of, all of the media. 742 00:38:23,136 --> 00:38:26,556 The media has played a large role in their refusal 743 00:38:26,598 --> 00:38:30,727 to cover hate crimes against lesbians and gay men. 744 00:38:30,769 --> 00:38:34,105 During the '90s, there was a real development 745 00:38:34,189 --> 00:38:37,359 of LGBT organizations. 746 00:38:37,442 --> 00:38:38,526 (protestors chanting) 747 00:38:45,283 --> 00:38:47,619 It wasn't just AVP. 748 00:38:48,203 --> 00:38:51,289 It was Act Up, it was Queer Nation. 749 00:38:51,373 --> 00:38:53,875 It's about time that we took some action 750 00:38:53,958 --> 00:38:56,628 to counter all this violence against us. 751 00:38:56,711 --> 00:38:58,672 Hanson: It was Pink Panthers. 752 00:38:59,005 --> 00:39:00,965 (group chanting) 753 00:39:02,634 --> 00:39:04,094 Person 1: We're gonna do our own community patrol 754 00:39:04,135 --> 00:39:07,514 and take care of one another because gay bashing has gone up. 755 00:39:07,597 --> 00:39:10,016 It was Lesbian Avengers. 756 00:39:10,809 --> 00:39:12,727 Person 2 (on PA): What about the murders of Julio Rivera, 757 00:39:12,811 --> 00:39:15,355 Marsha Johnson, James Zappalorti, 758 00:39:15,438 --> 00:39:17,440 The constant and uninvestigated violence 759 00:39:17,482 --> 00:39:19,275 on the streets on any given day or night. 760 00:39:19,317 --> 00:39:21,569 (crowd chanting) 761 00:39:21,653 --> 00:39:24,114 Foreman: So many marches, so many demonstrations, 762 00:39:24,155 --> 00:39:26,991 so many, like, all the time 763 00:39:27,075 --> 00:39:30,078 to highlight, "This happened this weekend. 764 00:39:30,161 --> 00:39:31,162 What are you doing about it?" 765 00:39:31,454 --> 00:39:32,580 Foreman (on PA): About six weeks ago, 766 00:39:32,664 --> 00:39:35,000 there was a pool of blood right over here. 767 00:39:36,251 --> 00:39:37,836 That pool of blood 768 00:39:38,044 --> 00:39:39,921 is part of a sea of blood 769 00:39:40,005 --> 00:39:41,548 that has been rising in this city 770 00:39:41,631 --> 00:39:44,384 relentlessly over several years. 771 00:39:45,802 --> 00:39:49,889 Hanson: It was to just express outrage. 772 00:39:49,973 --> 00:39:51,349 (protestors shouting) 773 00:39:51,433 --> 00:39:52,642 I'm worth existing. 774 00:39:52,684 --> 00:39:54,561 And if they say, "faggot," I say, "fuck you." 775 00:39:54,644 --> 00:39:55,603 Hanson: Anger. 776 00:39:55,687 --> 00:39:57,480 Protestors: NYPD go away. 777 00:39:57,522 --> 00:40:00,483 Racist, sexist, anti-gay. NYPD... 778 00:40:00,525 --> 00:40:01,735 Hanson: Desperation. 779 00:40:01,818 --> 00:40:03,194 Protestor: We are not gonna put up 780 00:40:03,236 --> 00:40:04,612 with this shit anymore. 781 00:40:04,696 --> 00:40:06,948 And it was very connected to the AIDS activism 782 00:40:07,032 --> 00:40:08,408 that was going on. 783 00:40:09,367 --> 00:40:11,745 It wasn't until HIV and AIDS 784 00:40:11,828 --> 00:40:14,664 that we saw how powerful we could be. 785 00:40:14,706 --> 00:40:17,208 (protestors chanting) 786 00:40:17,876 --> 00:40:21,046 Foreman: I think the difference was in HIV and AIDS, 787 00:40:21,087 --> 00:40:23,423 straight people did step up, 788 00:40:23,506 --> 00:40:26,009 but not around violence. 789 00:40:26,551 --> 00:40:30,055 And it felt like it's us against the world. 790 00:40:31,598 --> 00:40:33,058 Hanson: We put together this report 791 00:40:33,099 --> 00:40:35,060 of hundreds of murders. 792 00:40:35,143 --> 00:40:38,563 It's data from 29 states and DC. 793 00:40:38,605 --> 00:40:43,193 We had a 151 homicides in just under two years. 794 00:40:43,735 --> 00:40:46,404 Foreman: We knew that gay men, lesbians, trans people 795 00:40:46,446 --> 00:40:47,614 were being murdered. 796 00:40:47,906 --> 00:40:50,700 We decided to do studies as best we could, 797 00:40:50,742 --> 00:40:53,328 reaching out to anti-violence programs across the country, 798 00:40:53,411 --> 00:40:54,871 and scouring the media. 799 00:40:55,205 --> 00:40:58,917 And that resulted in our national report. 800 00:40:58,958 --> 00:41:02,545 And that included the victims of the serial murderer. 801 00:41:03,922 --> 00:41:05,590 Hanson: We were doing demonstrations. 802 00:41:05,632 --> 00:41:07,676 We really wanted to get some attention paid 803 00:41:07,759 --> 00:41:10,762 to these murders that were happening. 804 00:41:10,845 --> 00:41:13,264 When Anthony Marrero was killed, 805 00:41:13,723 --> 00:41:17,394 I did some, like, flyering you know, in the bars 806 00:41:17,435 --> 00:41:21,064 in that, in that area where he was last seen. 807 00:41:22,732 --> 00:41:25,026 At AVP, you know, 808 00:41:25,110 --> 00:41:28,238 we were these untrained investigators. 809 00:41:28,279 --> 00:41:29,989 You know, we had, we-- 810 00:41:30,073 --> 00:41:31,449 And I didn't know what I was doing, 811 00:41:31,533 --> 00:41:33,785 but, like, we let people know, 812 00:41:33,827 --> 00:41:35,704 and people in the community were scared. 813 00:41:35,787 --> 00:41:38,206 You know, they were t-totally, they were afraid. 814 00:41:39,749 --> 00:41:41,960 There was a, another murder 815 00:41:42,043 --> 00:41:45,588 in May of this year of a gay man 816 00:41:45,672 --> 00:41:49,509 who was a, a part-time hustler out of the Port Authority. 817 00:41:49,759 --> 00:41:51,636 It's just really sort of horrible, you know, 818 00:41:51,678 --> 00:41:52,721 thinking about the way he did it. 819 00:41:52,804 --> 00:41:54,597 But he does seem to know 820 00:41:54,639 --> 00:41:56,349 what he's doing, or the person does. 821 00:41:56,433 --> 00:41:58,810 (tense music playing) 822 00:42:01,938 --> 00:42:03,648 Foreman: It wasn't just a random, 823 00:42:03,690 --> 00:42:05,734 so, so to speak, horrible murder. 824 00:42:05,817 --> 00:42:09,112 It was clearly a serial murderer 825 00:42:09,154 --> 00:42:10,280 was on the loose. 826 00:42:13,992 --> 00:42:18,121 Serial murderers generally keep on going. 827 00:42:18,538 --> 00:42:19,998 They don't just stop. 828 00:42:24,419 --> 00:42:28,006 Mohel: Well, at the time, we were keyed on Staten Island. 829 00:42:42,270 --> 00:42:44,856 The problem was, you have to know who you're looking for. 830 00:42:44,939 --> 00:42:47,150 There's a million-plus people in Staten Island. 831 00:42:49,361 --> 00:42:52,113 But, what, what we do is you find yourself profiling 832 00:42:52,197 --> 00:42:53,698 as you're looking at the evidence 833 00:42:53,740 --> 00:42:55,367 to see what type of individual 834 00:42:55,408 --> 00:42:56,326 you might be dealing with. 835 00:42:58,620 --> 00:43:01,164 (Woodfield speaking) 836 00:43:28,108 --> 00:43:31,194 Mohel: We felt that the individual was driven sexually, 837 00:43:31,236 --> 00:43:34,489 and he liked killing the specific individuals 838 00:43:34,572 --> 00:43:35,907 from the gay community. 839 00:43:35,949 --> 00:43:39,244 And we felt that he was probably also from that community 840 00:43:39,327 --> 00:43:41,413 that he would be able to get access to these people 841 00:43:41,454 --> 00:43:42,914 and take them from bars. 842 00:44:01,266 --> 00:44:03,226 Mohel: This guy knew what he was doing. 843 00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:06,312 We expected more bodies to drop 844 00:44:06,396 --> 00:44:08,356 because, you know, 845 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,191 he was definitely... 846 00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:12,569 in that type of mode. 847 00:44:12,986 --> 00:44:14,946 He was enjoying what he was doing, 848 00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:17,949 and he was enjoying fooling us. 849 00:44:27,959 --> 00:44:30,128 Doroshow: When Anthony disappeared, 850 00:44:30,712 --> 00:44:32,881 I didn't know what had happened. 851 00:44:33,256 --> 00:44:36,551 There was no directory 852 00:44:36,634 --> 00:44:39,304 for, "Find Your Dead Homo Friend." 853 00:44:39,596 --> 00:44:42,307 In my life, people disappeared a lot. 854 00:44:43,224 --> 00:44:44,142 A lot. 855 00:44:44,809 --> 00:44:47,854 And for several reasons: HIV and AIDS, 856 00:44:48,813 --> 00:44:50,815 domestic violence, 857 00:44:51,816 --> 00:44:54,277 just being murdered, "John Doe." 858 00:44:54,778 --> 00:44:57,238 I think for almost two decades, 859 00:44:57,489 --> 00:44:59,616 we were looking for Anthony. 860 00:45:00,283 --> 00:45:02,702 Not all the time but almost two decades 861 00:45:02,786 --> 00:45:04,704 of wondering, "Why?" 862 00:45:05,205 --> 00:45:08,875 "Where? Did he go home? Did everything work out? 863 00:45:08,958 --> 00:45:10,669 "Did he get his life together? 864 00:45:10,919 --> 00:45:14,923 Did he get off drugs? Did he die of the virus?" 865 00:45:15,215 --> 00:45:17,133 (director speaking) 866 00:45:20,303 --> 00:45:22,430 When you sent me the text. 867 00:45:22,972 --> 00:45:25,183 I found out Anthony was murdered 868 00:45:25,725 --> 00:45:28,019 literally when you sent me the text. 869 00:45:30,897 --> 00:45:33,858 I was in shock because Tony, 870 00:45:33,942 --> 00:45:36,069 he had became a part of our family, 871 00:45:36,152 --> 00:45:38,780 our small, queer community family. 872 00:45:38,863 --> 00:45:41,866 (poignant music playing) 873 00:45:45,328 --> 00:45:47,372 Doroshow: Tony was working nonstop. 874 00:45:49,249 --> 00:45:51,376 One time, you could see that he was, 875 00:45:51,418 --> 00:45:53,545 like, physically tired. 876 00:45:53,628 --> 00:45:54,963 He had been up for days. 877 00:45:55,255 --> 00:45:57,674 He said, "Listen, I haven't taken a bath. 878 00:45:57,716 --> 00:46:01,052 I need to sleep. I need to eat." 879 00:46:02,387 --> 00:46:05,223 We hopped on the train, the A to the L. 880 00:46:05,265 --> 00:46:07,475 I lived in a loft in Bushwick. 881 00:46:08,852 --> 00:46:11,646 The first night that we went, we played cards, 882 00:46:11,730 --> 00:46:13,106 we played Monopoly. 883 00:46:13,189 --> 00:46:15,942 We'd be kiki-ing. I could cook. 884 00:46:16,026 --> 00:46:19,487 I could turn potted meat into a deluxe empanada. 885 00:46:19,779 --> 00:46:24,200 So, Tony knew he was safe with us. 886 00:46:24,242 --> 00:46:26,161 We would go out, run to VIMs, 887 00:46:26,244 --> 00:46:29,873 get some little stud outfits, some underwear, socks. 888 00:46:29,914 --> 00:46:32,917 Then he'd be like, "Okay, children, I got rest. 889 00:46:33,001 --> 00:46:36,087 "Look at the skin. I need to go out. 890 00:46:36,171 --> 00:46:38,673 "I had a fresh shave. Washed my ass. 891 00:46:38,757 --> 00:46:40,675 Y'all bought me some clothes." 892 00:46:40,759 --> 00:46:43,094 And he'd be gone again. 893 00:46:45,722 --> 00:46:49,100 And, you know, those were memories. 894 00:46:49,184 --> 00:46:51,227 That is food for your soul. 895 00:46:51,269 --> 00:46:54,439 When there's somebody there to say, 896 00:46:54,981 --> 00:46:57,859 "I may not know you well, but my home is your home." 897 00:46:58,234 --> 00:47:01,363 We are sisters and brothers without asking. 898 00:47:06,701 --> 00:47:09,621 (patrons chattering) 899 00:47:12,540 --> 00:47:14,626 (tense music playing) 900 00:47:28,890 --> 00:47:32,644 Anonymous Victim: After I encountered this person 901 00:47:32,686 --> 00:47:34,062 in my apartment, 902 00:47:34,896 --> 00:47:37,357 I did not go to the NYPD. 903 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,111 Because, what are they going to do? Nothing. 904 00:47:42,445 --> 00:47:46,616 But I did go back to the Five Oaks... 905 00:47:48,660 --> 00:47:50,370 because my friends were there. 906 00:47:50,787 --> 00:47:52,789 When you walked in, they said hi. 907 00:47:53,123 --> 00:47:54,249 And you knew the bartenders 908 00:47:54,332 --> 00:47:56,251 and you knew what nights they were there. 909 00:47:58,545 --> 00:48:01,923 And I would say a hundred percent of the times 910 00:48:02,007 --> 00:48:03,758 that I walked into the Five Oaks, 911 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,720 my bar buddy Michael would be sitting there. 912 00:48:07,053 --> 00:48:09,639 You come down the steps, and he was the last barstool 913 00:48:09,681 --> 00:48:10,974 right in front of you at the bar, 914 00:48:11,016 --> 00:48:13,351 same place every time. 915 00:48:17,313 --> 00:48:20,483 Sometime in '93, I, I went into the Five Oaks, 916 00:48:20,525 --> 00:48:24,362 and Michael was not at his usual station. 917 00:48:26,865 --> 00:48:28,450 He just disappeared. 918 00:48:30,243 --> 00:48:33,955 And then I heard that Michael had been killed. 919 00:48:34,039 --> 00:48:36,583 Last place he was seen was the Five Oaks. 920 00:48:37,751 --> 00:48:39,961 I was like, "Holy shit." 921 00:48:40,712 --> 00:48:43,548 Reporter: Sakara was gay, lived alone in Manhattan, 922 00:48:43,631 --> 00:48:46,384 and was last seen alive at this piano bar 923 00:48:46,468 --> 00:48:48,845 in Greenwich Village on Thursday night. 924 00:48:49,179 --> 00:48:52,015 (Woodfield speaking) 925 00:49:01,733 --> 00:49:06,279 (tense music playing) 926 00:49:07,530 --> 00:49:10,950 ("Temperamental" by Ah-Mer-Ah-Su playing) 927 00:49:25,298 --> 00:49:29,636 ♪ I wish I wasn't so ♪ 928 00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,348 ♪ Temperamental, I ♪ 929 00:49:33,848 --> 00:49:36,142 ♪ Wish I could be like ♪ 930 00:49:36,226 --> 00:49:40,105 ♪ Everybody else ♪ 931 00:49:41,940 --> 00:49:45,485 ♪ I sit alone in my room ♪ 932 00:49:46,111 --> 00:49:49,989 ♪ And I think about all the ways ♪ 933 00:49:50,407 --> 00:49:55,829 ♪ I'm like no one that I know ♪ 934 00:49:55,912 --> 00:49:59,874 ♪ I feel tired ♪ 935 00:49:59,958 --> 00:50:03,962 ♪ Yes, I'm tired ♪ 936 00:50:04,045 --> 00:50:08,299 ♪ Of putting on my brave face and ♪ 937 00:50:09,134 --> 00:50:13,138 ♪ Walking out the door ♪ 938 00:50:14,514 --> 00:50:18,810 ♪ So I wish I could be left alone ♪ 939 00:50:19,310 --> 00:50:23,398 ♪ Wish I could be all alone ♪ 940 00:50:23,481 --> 00:50:26,192 ♪ Won't you leave me alone? ♪ 941 00:50:26,276 --> 00:50:30,739 ♪ Leave me alone, leave me alone ♪ 942 00:50:30,822 --> 00:50:32,323 ♪ Da-dum ♪ 943 00:50:34,868 --> 00:50:37,120 ♪ Da-dum, dum ♪ 944 00:50:38,997 --> 00:50:42,917 ♪ Da-dum, da-dum ♪ 945 00:50:43,001 --> 00:50:46,421 ♪ Da-dum, dum-dum ♪ 946 00:50:47,130 --> 00:50:49,341 ♪ Da-dum ♪ 947 00:50:51,217 --> 00:50:53,511 ♪ Da-dum, dum ♪ 948 00:50:55,305 --> 00:50:59,476 ♪ Da-dum, dum-da-dum ♪ 949 00:50:59,517 --> 00:51:01,519 ♪ Da-dum ♪ 950 00:51:01,603 --> 00:51:04,481 ♪ Dum-dum-dum ♪ 951 00:51:05,273 --> 00:51:08,234 ♪ Da, da, da, da-da ♪ 952 00:51:11,905 --> 00:51:14,157 (song ends) 71587

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