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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:02,560 Five years ago I was... 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,960 convicted of a dreadful crime that I did not commit. 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,880 Don't touch me! The whole town's going to know! 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:10,480 You're saying that there's no way... 5 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,080 ..that Matthew Taylor could have been his biological son. 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,000 GLASS SMASHING 'You spread lies which grew,' 7 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,000 and ultimately landed Sally Wright in the dock 8 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:23,480 and you in the witness box. 9 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,520 They were together. I still believe that. 10 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:27,360 You got the job. 11 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,400 I let them wear me down, I let them convince me. 12 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,200 But wasn't our fault. We never asked for any of this. 13 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,800 You seem very concerned about her all of a sudden. 14 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,000 But what about us? What about your own step daughter? 15 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,200 Don't throw away the past. 16 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,400 I was with a probationer, a lad called Aaron Holmes. 17 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:45,760 And he'll confirm that? 18 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,280 He's not yours. He never was. 19 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,920 You come near Sam or my family again, 20 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:56,840 I will destroy you! 21 00:01:15,960 --> 00:01:19,320 {\an8}A few weeks ago, we had a bust-up over a bill. 22 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,880 {\an8}He's come in tonight, I've lost my temper... 23 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:24,880 {\an8}we've had a bit of a ding-dong, that's it, really. 24 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,600 {\an8}So we have two other witnesses 25 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:29,840 {\an8}who say it was a completely unprovoked attack by him. 26 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:31,840 {\an8}Well, obviously, they didn't see the whole thing 27 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,120 {\an8}because that's not what happened. 28 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,920 {\an8}Look, like I said, I'm happy to leave it there. 29 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,720 {\an8}So, are you going to tell him? 30 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:47,600 {\an8}Sam? 31 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:49,640 {\an8}Cos this is scary, Sal. 32 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,520 {\an8}Doesn't matter if the back door was unlocked, 33 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,120 {\an8}to walk in to someone else's house and attack them... 34 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,320 {\an8}Right, yeah... So you either tell him, 35 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,000 {\an8}and get her to back the fuck off, 36 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,520 or we go to the police. 37 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,120 OK. 38 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,040 Are you saying he hasn't been back at all in the last few hours? 39 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:09,880 No. 40 00:02:09,920 --> 00:02:12,960 So, any idea why he would have done this? 41 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,920 Mrs Taylor? No. 42 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:18,960 {\an8}No idea why he walks out of your house, 43 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,720 {\an8}just a few hours after we've interviewed him 44 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,200 {\an8}about Matthew's paternity, 45 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,840 and seeks out and assaults a local publican? 46 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:29,720 No. 47 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:31,720 'Hi, this is Sam Wright. Please leave a message.' 48 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,520 Hey, Sam, it's me. 49 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,960 Can we meet? 50 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,000 You've done your duty as a mate. 51 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:46,040 We both have. 52 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,440 She needs to go. 53 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,640 Today. 54 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,840 OK. I am off. 55 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:58,600 Have a good one. 56 00:02:58,640 --> 00:03:00,400 You too. And, Beth? 57 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,600 Try and have a normal day today, please. 58 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:10,240 Er... Yeah, Mum, I'd love to have normal day. 59 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,440 It's hard when you have the amount of shit in your head that I do. 60 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,800 Most of it put there by you! 61 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,120 DOOR OPENS AND SLAMS SHUT 62 00:03:23,640 --> 00:03:25,960 Hi. Oh, hi. 63 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,880 Oh. 64 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,120 Yeah. Well, erm... 65 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,320 It's wooden floors so... 66 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,120 Oh, Sal, I'm so sorry. It's OK. 67 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:38,840 I mean, you don't have to go today. 68 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,560 Jen, honestly, it's fine. 69 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,600 Yeah, all very odd. 70 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,360 My guess is it was about what we think it was. 71 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,320 What, that Gary Walker is Matthew's father? 72 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,880 And that he's never told his missus. 73 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,560 Which obviously offers up some interesting possible motives 74 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,200 for Walker too. Cos a lad turning up on the doorstep 75 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,720 of your marital home one day and saying he's your long lost son, 76 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,160 it's not exactly Davina McCall territory, is it? 77 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,000 Has he got any form? First thing I checked, 78 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:07,720 for a DNA match against Matty primarily, 79 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,040 but no, sorry, nothing on PNC. 80 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,440 OK, well, pull him in anyway. 81 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,880 If you're right and he never told his missus, we can use that. 82 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,840 Right, the gifts and presents found in Matthew's bedroom. 83 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,640 These were all originally ascribed to Sally Wright. 84 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,000 She always said she bought him the books but nothing else, 85 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,760 so who was the rest of the stuff from? 86 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,000 Obviously, a trawl was done in the first investigation 87 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,880 to see if the item's purchaser could be identified, 88 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,040 but give it another sweep, Mia, 89 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:35,720 see what was missed. Guv. 90 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,280 Er, Sam Wright's alibi, where are we on that? 91 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,000 So, too long ago for any CCTV of his car being where he says it was, 92 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:43,680 which was heading to see Aaron Holmes, 93 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,960 and unfortunately, there's no phone mast records either. 94 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,760 So it's going to be down to Holmes confirming 95 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,560 he was definitely with him. Basically, yeah, 96 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,920 I'm trying to arrange a time to see Aaron later this week. 97 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,640 Good stuff. 98 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,880 Lastly, John Taylor is still AWOL. 99 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:59,800 I want him found, please. 100 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,040 Oh, my God, Sal. That is awful. 101 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,360 Yeah, and so they basically asked me to leave because of her. 102 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,800 So can you speak to her? Tell her to calm down, 103 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:19,520 reassure her that I'm not back here to "steal her man"? 104 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,280 For what it's worth, and this is absolutely not 105 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,840 any kind of an excuse, but... 106 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:26,760 she is under a lot of pressure at the moment. 107 00:05:28,840 --> 00:05:31,440 I mean, Beth's not an easy child, never has been, 108 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,240 and things have seriously... flared up again the last few months. 109 00:05:35,280 --> 00:05:37,120 This re-trial... 110 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,760 ..seems to have really affected her and just, erm, 111 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:46,760 well, it's caused Karen a huge amount of worry and... 112 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,560 As I say, I'm not excusing her behaviour at all, 113 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,680 I'm... I'm just saying, it's very out of character. 114 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,160 Sure. 115 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,280 Just so you know, actually, you might want to tell her this. 116 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,560 Jen and Alf wanted to call the police. 117 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,320 And I persuaded them not to. 118 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,560 Right. Yeah. Wow. 119 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,280 Well, on her behalf, thank you. 120 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,320 PHONE CHIMES Oh, sorry. 121 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,360 Er... I've got to go. 122 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:27,400 Right. 123 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,920 Is there anything I can do, Sal? Oh, don't worry about me, 124 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,200 I've got unlimited hot water between six and eight. 125 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:41,760 I'm serious. 126 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,640 Yeah, well, what do you think, Sam? 127 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,400 Turn back time so it's me you're coming back to, 128 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,560 to our lovely family home? 129 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,720 I'm all right. 130 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,200 SHE SOBS 131 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,200 They said you were like a mad man. 132 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,600 Broke a bottle, had to be stopped from stabbing him wi' it. 133 00:07:55,640 --> 00:08:00,160 You know, even... even when you were at your most troubled, John, 134 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,200 I stayed with you, because I thought that deep down, you were a good man. 135 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:06,840 Decent, loving. 136 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:09,640 Kind. 137 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:13,920 Well, maybe I never really knew you. 138 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,440 So, let me tell you where we are, Gary. 139 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,400 We think that John Taylor's assault on you 140 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,320 was almost certainly connected to the fact that Matthew Taylor... 141 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,360 was your son. 142 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,200 HE SCOFFS No, that's... 143 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:34,960 Well, I... 144 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:36,760 I don't know where you've got that from, 145 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:38,960 but that's not true. No-one... 146 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:41,240 ..not your wife... 147 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:44,840 ..not your kids, 148 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,200 need know what we've discussed here today, 149 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,200 as long as we feel you're being straight with us. 150 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,360 So I'm going to ask you again. 151 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,480 Was Matthew Taylor your son? 152 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,400 No, he wasn't. 153 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,040 This is a murder investigation, Gary. 154 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,720 Which means if he was your son, it's pertinent to our inquiry 155 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,800 and that means we'll do everything in our power to prove that. 156 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,040 We will pull... your house apart. 157 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,520 We will pull your life apart, 158 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:22,280 and every single person in this town will end up knowing why. 159 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,160 But if you cooperate, we will do our best 160 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,160 to keep it contained. 161 00:09:31,680 --> 00:09:33,680 Was he your son? 162 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,080 Yeah. 163 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:43,880 Thank you. 164 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,960 Ow! 165 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,000 Don't say anything, OK? 166 00:09:57,960 --> 00:09:59,920 What was that all about? 167 00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:02,120 Nothing. Was that Bethany Moss? 168 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,360 I actually only found out a few months before Matty died. 169 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,760 And how did you find out? 170 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,760 Maria told me. Just came in the pub one day. 171 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,960 Sorry, just going back, the original relationship with her, 172 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,000 that was a serious thing, or...? 173 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,360 A few weeks. 174 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:21,960 A month at the most. 175 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,200 And you were both married at that time? 176 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,360 Her husband was away a lot, he was in the army. 177 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,280 We had two little'uns 178 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,040 so my missus would often go and stay at her mum's. 179 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,080 It was the only time I ever... 180 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,760 It's not who I am. OK, so scroll forward 16 years 181 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:45,680 and Maria walks in to your pub and...? 182 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:50,400 Apparently, John had found out and, God knows why, told the boy. 183 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,160 So she felt that she had to tell me. 184 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,920 And I was, erm... in shock. 185 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,120 Obviously, I wanted to be decent about it all, 186 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,000 to do the right thing by the boy, whatever that was, 187 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,360 but I was also happily married. 188 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,680 I knew that if I told her the truth, it would have messed all that up. 189 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:13,240 And what happened then? 190 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,120 Then Matty came by one night, just as I was locking up. 191 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,480 And thank God Alison was away on a university trip with our eldest 192 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,200 but... it was... awful. 193 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,120 Why awful? 194 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,080 This was my boy. 195 00:11:30,680 --> 00:11:33,440 And he was so upset and confused and... 196 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,400 Just wanted to wrap my arms around him. 197 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,640 Say sorry. 198 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,280 What did he want? I think he was as confused as me. 199 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,920 I mean, his dad had tried to stop him seeing me. 200 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,360 Matthew told you that? Yeah. 201 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,240 For a few weeks, I tried to meet up with him, 202 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,600 to talk to him, help him through it all. 203 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,560 Then it all got too much for me. 204 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,280 Alison started to ask questions cos I kept disappearing. 205 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:17,040 So I'm ashamed to say I told him that I couldn't see him any more. 206 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,640 And how did he take that? 207 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:22,480 Better than I thought. 208 00:12:24,680 --> 00:12:27,040 I told him that his real dad was the man that had raised 209 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:28,760 and loved him for 16 years. 210 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:31,840 Not me. 211 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,560 OK. 212 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,080 One last question, Gary. 213 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,120 Where were you on the day your son was murdered? 214 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,400 She said you gave her a dead arm. 215 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,680 Well, she was in my way, I asked her to move and she didn't, 216 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,840 so I pushed past her. 217 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,560 So she's lying, then? 218 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,520 It happens. 219 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,280 I had a look at your report card, Beth, 220 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,360 it's not the first incident like this in the last few months, is it? 221 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,840 And yet sitting here now, you don't seem like that sort of girl to me, 222 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:15,480 not really. 223 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,760 Look, sometimes when we lash out about things, 224 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,280 it's actually because we're upset about something else. 225 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,960 What I'm saying is, I can arrange for you to speak with someone 226 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,200 from pastoral support, if you like. 227 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,080 I'm fine. Really? 228 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:38,120 Yeah. 229 00:13:39,560 --> 00:13:41,920 We done? 230 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:43,600 Sure. 231 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,520 How long till he's sober? I think we can write off tonight. 232 00:13:54,560 --> 00:13:56,840 Right, first thing, then. 233 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,240 In the meantime, let's start chasing down Walker's alibi, 234 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,040 and let's get him printed. OK. 235 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:03,640 'I've Beth in tears upstairs.' 236 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:05,520 Why? Your ex. 237 00:14:06,680 --> 00:14:09,680 What d'you mean "my ex"? She threatened her at school today, 238 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,080 apparently, with expulsion. What?! 239 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,760 Some kid lied that Beth had tried to hurt her. 240 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,600 And we're sure it couldn't be Beth lying? 241 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,400 Oh, here we go. Listen, I'm just saying... 242 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,920 You're always defending her. Er, she does have a bit of history 243 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,120 on that front.And of course, this is what she wants, 244 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:27,640 you and I at each other's throats. 245 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,160 What does that mean? 246 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,120 She wants to break up our family, Sam, 247 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,680 so she can get you back, she's obsessed with us. 248 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,760 Says the woman who broke into her house and attacked her. 249 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,360 Well, that was stupid... It was more than fucking stupid, 250 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,400 Karen, it's actually scary. You stood in front of me yesterday 251 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,080 and lied, very convincingly, 252 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,760 about bloody Sal coming to the front door. 253 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,320 Look, look, we shouldn't be rowing. 254 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,280 This is a really difficult situation for both of us. 255 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,600 But we can get through it, Sam, I know we can, 256 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,840 if we just agree to be honest with each other. 257 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,400 Yeah. Yeah, you're right. 258 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,680 No more lies, from either of us. 259 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,880 I'd done two tours in Kosovo. 260 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,240 When I came back from the second... 261 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:05,640 I wasn't in a good place. 262 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,440 I was drinking too much, 263 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,520 me and Maz were rowing all the time. 264 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,240 So when I left for a third tour... 265 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,400 ..I think she just needed someone to talk to, really. 266 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,240 Cut to 16 years later... 267 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,560 ..I'm at the doc's for a check-up on a cyst. 268 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:31,960 Yeah... 269 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,920 I learned I've been infertile all my life. 270 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:38,720 Which wasn't so good... 271 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,200 to find out everything you thought you knew about your family 272 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:42,640 was a lie. 273 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,800 Anyway... 274 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:46,800 she said the relationship had been brief. 275 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,200 A few weeks at the most. 276 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:54,440 She also swore she'd never told Walker that Matty was his, so... 277 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,840 really, if we kept it secret, it was like it never happened. 278 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,480 Which is easier to say than do. 279 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,440 Cos I was angry. 280 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,400 With her, obviously, with Walker, myself... 281 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:09,640 ..maybe even with Matty. 282 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,000 And it all came at the absolute worst time. 283 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,000 Me and him had started arguing a lot. 284 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,040 He was going through a phase, I suppose, 285 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,480 trying to work out who he was. And then one day... 286 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,480 ..after a particularly nasty row... 287 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:33,720 ..I told him that he wasn't mine. 288 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,760 Which is without question the worst thing I've ever done. 289 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,240 I mean, the second I said it I... 290 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,840 wished I could've taken it back, but I couldn't. 291 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,720 Did he get angry with you? With both of us. 292 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:22,600 And how did you respond? 293 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:25,960 Just... tried to calm him down, I suppose. 294 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,840 I mean... 295 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,880 I apologised repeatedly for telling him but... 296 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:32,600 I was pissed and in pieces myself, 297 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,920 I wasn't best placed to deal with it all. 298 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,480 Did it ever get physical? No. 299 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,160 Even though, as you said, you were both angry? 300 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,760 Before I said it, I was angry. 301 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:46,480 After, I was just ashamed. 302 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,000 Over the next few days... 303 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,000 ..things seemed to calm down a bit. 304 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:54,840 Talked about it all more. 305 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,120 Rationally, all three of us. 306 00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:00,960 And in the end, he said he wanted to meet him. 307 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,080 How did that make you feel? Well, I'd created the situation, 308 00:19:04,120 --> 00:19:06,040 so I wasn't going to stop him doing what he felt 309 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:07,800 he needed to do at that point. 310 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,600 So why d'you think that Matty might have told Gary Walker 311 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,640 that you did try to stop him going? 312 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,440 He's lying, I never stopped him. 313 00:19:20,120 --> 00:19:23,480 D'you know how Walker reacted? He wasn't interested, apparently. 314 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,240 Saw Matt maybe a couple of times and then basically told him to fuck off. 315 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,040 How did Matty take that? He got pretty cross. 316 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,240 And then told me later that he threatened him. 317 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,280 Threatened him how? Telling his wife who he was. 318 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,000 And you never thought to mention that before? 319 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,200 Well, we all thought we knew who'd done it by then, didn't we? 320 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,160 John Taylor always said he was working at the time of the murder, 321 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,000 and his foreman confirmed that, but, I just... 322 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:54,760 Double check it, yeah? Yeah, will do. 323 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:56,520 Oh, boss? Yeah? 324 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,120 A message from Sally Wright to call. OK. 325 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,960 Back in a bit. 326 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:25,880 So this is dated just four months before Matthew's murder. 327 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,760 And I'm guessing it got missed originally 328 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,800 because it's in Beth's files and not Matty's 329 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,480 and there was no obvious connection between the two, 330 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,760 but, my God, it should have been spotted. 331 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,720 So how old would Beth have been at the time? 332 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,280 14? 333 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,680 Sorry, but are you suggesting that a 14-year-old...? 334 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,880 Oh, look, I'm not suggesting anything, 335 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,360 I just wanted to give you the information. OK. 336 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,720 You will see from the file, Beth Moss had a lot 337 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,480 of pastoral input in the months, years after this. 338 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,680 She's got a lot of behavioural issues. 339 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,880 Some of the notes suggest her mum was a piece of work too. 340 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,440 Karen Moss. 341 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,040 I think it said in the original file 342 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,400 that she was actually Matthew's social worker. 343 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,280 Really? Yeah. 344 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:11,960 Wow. 345 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:16,960 OK, er... I'll look into all this, 346 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,800 and I'll try and track down the teacher, 347 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,480 see if he can remember anything. OK. 348 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,040 And thank you for coming over, it make a real difference 349 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,280 having a human connection to the case, I appreciate it. 350 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,080 So... how are you doing? 351 00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:36,080 Hm. 352 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,480 It's a journey. 353 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,400 Well, look, if you ever fancy a cry-off or... 354 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,240 tragedy top trumps, give me a shout, 355 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,440 we could grab a pizza maybe. I mean, 356 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,040 not as a... you know... just as... Thank you. 357 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,960 I probably need to get my head into a slightly better place 358 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,960 to be even half decent company, 359 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,400 but when I feel a bit more sorted, yeah, I'd really like that. 360 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,520 Right, great. Erm... 361 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,160 I'll, er, I'll call you on this. Yeah. 362 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,160 Thanks, Sally. 363 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,680 PHONE VIBRATES 364 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,160 Suzy. 'We've checked Walkers fingerprints 365 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,040 'against the bottle that killed Matty.' 366 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,520 And? We've got a match. 367 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,680 I'll be right there. 368 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,160 I sell Buckworth, I often stack the shelves myself 369 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,160 so if my prints were on the bottle that killed him, 370 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,840 all it means is... is that someone bought it from my pub. 371 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,800 And by "someone" you mean? Anyone! Matthew? 372 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,800 Look, how would I know? I've already said, 373 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,440 I was in London on the day that he died. 374 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,080 when it was so obvious we were meant to be together? 375 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,440 but I want to go back over something you told us yesterday. 376 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,800 When you told Matthew you couldn't see him anymore, 377 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,000 you said he was fine with that? Yes. 378 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,560 I mean, he was upset, of course, but he said that he understood. 379 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,120 So he didn't get angry with you? No. 380 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:58,880 Didn't threaten you at all? No! 381 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:00,760 Didn't threaten to tell your wife who he was? 382 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,920 No. We have evidence to suggest that he did. 383 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,440 Well, he didn't. Look, he... He didn't! 384 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,640 Look, I have let the boy down appallingly, 385 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,440 I've had endless sleepless nights wondering if my behaviour 386 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,640 in any way contributed to how his life ended, 387 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,880 but I swear, I didn't kill him! 388 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,680 Yeah, yeah, I can hold, no problem. 389 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,920 And I wondered if I could ask you about a gift card purchase 390 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,720 made in a Keswick shop in 2015. 391 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,520 Yeah, that's right. 392 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,760 So we understand you taught in St Luke's school in Keswick in 2015, 393 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,800 and we just wanted to ask if we could have a brief chat 394 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,520 with you at some point... Hello, there. 395 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,320 Yeah, Mr Walker said he was in London, 396 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:41,280 in a meeting with your brewery, however, so far, 397 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,480 he's been unable to find any emails confirming that. 398 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,400 So I was just wondering if there was any other way 399 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,800 of confirming his presence there? Any internal mails... 400 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,200 ..or old desk diaries, that kind of thing. 401 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,760 I'm sorry, can I call you back in two minutes? 402 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,920 Right, thanks, bye. 403 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,280 I'm so sorry, it was a genuine mistake, 404 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,800 I had two guys with the surname Taylor. 405 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,160 working on that job. John Taylor, obviously... 406 00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:13,040 ..but also a Thomas Taylor. 407 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,560 And looking back at it, on that specific day, 408 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,120 what I thought then was a J, for John... 409 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,920 I now think... 410 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,840 might be a T. You think? 411 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,880 It is. Right, so... 412 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,800 you can actually provide no definite alibi 413 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,720 for John Taylor on the day of the murder? 414 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,400 Well, when you asked first time round, he wasn't a suspect, so... 415 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,200 I never really double checked. 416 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,680 But what I do know, 417 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,880 is he adored that boy. 418 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,960 And I can't believe for a minute 419 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,160 he would ever have hurt a hair on his head. 420 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,040 Where were you actually? Around town. 421 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,600 After I ran out of money, 422 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,280 wherever I've thought I could scrounge a can. 423 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,120 Were you ever in Clement Park? 424 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,000 Yes. Which we know from the original investigation, 425 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,800 Matty was seen walking through, just an hour 426 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,520 before his estimated time of death. 427 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,240 So did you see him? Yes. 428 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,400 Did you talk to him? 429 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,000 Yes. 430 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,320 Did you row? 431 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:39,240 Yes. Did you then follow him? 432 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,960 Why don't you just ask me? Did I kill him? 433 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,120 Did you? 434 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,560 Well, it was my defect that meant we couldn't have a child. 435 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,520 My drinking that caused Maria's infidelity. 436 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,600 My weakness that made me tell Matty he wasn't my boy. 437 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,800 Now I don't know how exactly all that led to his death... 438 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,600 ..but I'm pretty sure in some way it did. 439 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,840 So, no, I didn't follow him, 440 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,680 and I never laid a hand on him that day. 441 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:21,080 But, yeah, I think in some way, with my failings... 442 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,440 ..I did kill him. 443 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,880 So you just describe a bullying incident involving Matty and Beth, 444 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,080 do you remember any more detail, or...? 445 00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:35,000 Er, it was to do with him having stayed at her house once. 446 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,640 Her mum was a duty social worker. Er, this was Karen Moss? 447 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,440 Mm-hm, and she'd had him stay over for a couple of nights 448 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,080 after he'd had a row with his dad. 449 00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:45,920 From what I could glean from him, 450 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,320 he'd then seen Beth talking to some friends at school about it. 451 00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:51,560 OK, and he didn't like that? 452 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,040 I think basically he felt that Beth had seen him 453 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,240 at his most vulnerable, so, no, he didn't like it at all. 454 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,520 And Matty Taylor was not a boy you wanted to cross. 455 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,880 He was whip smart, super articulate, and he could be cruel, 456 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,880 verbally, I mean. 457 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,120 Very cruel. Right. 458 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,880 And did you get the impression this was an isolated incident 459 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,160 or do you think that...? Well, they were both 460 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,160 pretty reluctant to discuss it, particularly her. 461 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,200 But if I had to put money on it, I would say no, 462 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:20,880 no, it wasn't. 463 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,240 Loads on the school system about Bethany Moss 464 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,000 over the last five years. 465 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,760 Depression issues, anxiety issues, and then I found this. 466 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,160 On the 8th June 2015, just two days before Matty's murder, 467 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,880 she's admitted to St Mary's General, having taken, 468 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,280 an accidental overdose of her mum's codeine. 469 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,480 Accidental? Her mum told the hospital 470 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,760 she'd thought they were over-the-counter herbal pills 471 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,400 she sometimes gave her for stress. And how many did she take? 472 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,600 Six. Who takes six stress pills? 473 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,000 Well, the notes say on previous occasions she'd taken two. 474 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,880 Her mum told the hospital that on this occasion she'd taken four, 475 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,400 then got confused and then taken another two. 476 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,720 MUTTERING Yeah, me neither. 477 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,720 Which got me thinking. 478 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,720 If that was my kid, and I thought Matty Taylor's bullying 479 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,440 was to blame for a suicide attempt... 480 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,040 Particularly when she'd given the lad a bed for a couple of nights 481 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,400 just a few months prior. OK, great work. 482 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,920 OK, I think we need a chat with Mum. Yeah. 483 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,080 And you never heard of any bullying incident involving Matthew Taylor? 484 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:22,960 No, sorry. 485 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,680 And Bethany would say the same, would she, if we asked her? 486 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,840 Of course. 487 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,240 So... would you tell us, 488 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,120 if you don't mind, about the incident 489 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,200 that led you to taking your daughter to St Mary's General, 490 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,520 two days before Matthew died? 491 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,120 Er, so, I'd been taking codeine for some back pain I'd been having, 492 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,080 and I'd very stupidly put the blister of pills 493 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:49,840 in the same cupboard as some herbal pills 494 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,120 I sometimes gave Beth for stress. 495 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,680 She'd had a bad day at school, 496 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,560 and before I got home from work, 497 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,920 she'd gone to the cupboard, 498 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,480 got the wrong pills out, and taken a couple. 499 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,760 She was absolutely fine, I just took her to hospital as a precaution. 500 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,480 Right. 501 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,040 According to the hospital notes, 502 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,000 she took six codeine tablets 503 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,320 totalling 180 milligrams. 504 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,480 Which is a potentially fatal dose for a child. 505 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,120 Mm. 506 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,320 We were very lucky. 507 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:42,920 So the bad day that she'd had, what was that about? 508 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,400 Oh, God, I don't remember. 509 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:46,800 Really? 510 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,000 Well, she's quite an anxious child so... 511 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,800 So it was nothing to do with Matthew Taylor? 512 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,160 No. He hadn't continued to bully her? 513 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,440 No, she never mentioned anything like that to me. 514 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,240 If a lad had done that to my child, bullied her to the point 515 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,440 of taking an overdose... There wasn't an overdose. 516 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,080 Especially a kid I'd let in to my own home... 517 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,120 It wasn't an overdose. ..I don't know what I might do. 518 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,000 SALLY:I don't know, just something suggesting 519 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,400 that both Karen and Beth are now suspects. 520 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,080 I can't do that, Sally! Why not? 521 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,560 Because I just... I can't just make shit up. 522 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,200 But you're a journalist. 523 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,760 Funny. No, come on, 524 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,000 you saw what the tabloids wrote about me. 525 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,600 Well, exactly, it'd be a bit ironic 526 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,280 if we now started to publish random, wild theories, 527 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,760 particularly about a school kid. Oh, she's 19. 528 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,960 Sal... All I'm asking you to do, Jen, 529 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,680 is put their names out there and see what comes back from your readers, 530 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,400 and that's exactly what you did with me... 531 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,760 Even if I agreed with you, that is not how you do things! 532 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,280 You owe me, Jenny! 533 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,160 You owe me. 534 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,120 In fact, this whole fucking town owes me. 535 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,160 Sal, what you went through, 536 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,600 that anger you must feel, every day, for what you lost... 537 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,920 I didn't lose any thing! 538 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,160 I lost nothing! 539 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,440 It was taken away from me, it was fucking... 540 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,600 stolen from me! 541 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,040 I completely get it, OK. But this? 542 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,080 This is not the way forward. 543 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,360 This is not going to make you feel any better. 544 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,720 SOBBING:Then what is then, Jen?! 545 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,280 I mean it. 546 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,480 You need to be honest with me, Karen, you really do. 547 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,200 He had been so horrible to her. 548 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,520 For nearly four months, she told me afterwards. 549 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,240 And for no reason. 550 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,600 He thought she'd talked about the nights he'd spent here 551 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,080 but she hadn't. 552 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,720 And it didn't matter how many times she told him that she hadn't, 553 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,960 he still went at her. Every day. 554 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:56,000 For 16 weeks solid, he made her life a complete misery. 555 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,000 And I came home late from work one day 556 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,760 and found her lying on her bed, half unconscious. 557 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,120 And at the hospital, she told me... 558 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,480 that it was an accident, but I knew it wasn't. 559 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,280 And then the next morning, she finally told me... 560 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,720 what Matty had be subjecting her to. 561 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,320 The next day, I left her with my mum 562 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:30,040 and I went to speak to him at his house. 563 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,240 But he wasn't there, it was just his mum. 564 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,640 And you spoke to her? I did, but I... 565 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,880 I said it was work related, I just wanted a general catch-up. 566 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:41,880 And then I left. 567 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,400 And that's all that happened, I promise. 568 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,760 I don't believe you. 569 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,680 I promise. 570 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,200 You need to tell me the truth, Karen, now, 571 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,400 or I swear I'm walking out that fucking door 572 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,600 and you'll never see me again. 573 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,840 On my way back from his mum's, I saw him in the street. 574 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,120 And? And I wanted to walk past. 575 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,480 Because by this point, I'd realised that what I was doing was wrong, 576 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,680 and it could cost me my job, 577 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,120 so I went to walk past but then he saw me, 578 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,720 and it was him who stopped, and it was him who started shouting at me, 579 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,480 drunk, and saying stuff about Beth, 580 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,960 laughing about what a "fat, ugly pig" she was 581 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,280 and something inside me just snapped 582 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,040 and I, I... I lost it a bit, I admit that. 583 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,760 And so I crossed over and I shouted right back at him. 584 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,960 I might even have grabbed him, I can't remember, 585 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,440 it was all a bit of a blur, and... but, but, then I realised 586 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,040 that I was being very stupid, 587 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,360 and I turned and walked away. And that really is it. 588 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,920 And you didn't follow him? Absolutely not. 589 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,120 OK. 590 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,880 You have to tell the police, Karen. 591 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,720 What? You have to tell the police. 592 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,680 I'm not telling the police. If you grabbed hold of him, 593 00:34:23,720 --> 00:34:26,400 if you had any contact with him at all, 594 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,360 they might have found some stuff on his body 595 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,680 that can connect you to him. Hairs, fibres, whatever. 596 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:40,080 So... you need to tell them what actually happened. 597 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,480 Because if they find all this out for themselves, 598 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,960 I mean, they could come to all the wrong conclusions. 599 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,320 No. 600 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,600 You have to tell them, love, you have to. 601 00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,920 Have a good day. 602 00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:02,080 PHONE RINGING 603 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,520 Hello. 'Hey, Sally. 604 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,520 'Just wondering why you didn't mention...' 605 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,720 Bethany's mother is with your ex-husband? 606 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,400 Because I didn't think that was relevant. 'Right.' 607 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,600 'But now you mention it, I'm sorry, 608 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,840 'yes, maybe I should have.' OK. 609 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,720 'Maybe, let me be the judge of what is or isn't relevant.' 610 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,960 Bye, Sally. 611 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,360 Hey. 612 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,760 It was never meant to end like it did. 613 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,200 And how was it meant to end? 614 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,840 Was there really nothing going on between you, ever? 615 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,800 No, Anna, never. 616 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,240 Never. 617 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,480 The thing is, I did genuinely believe there was. 618 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,800 That's... that's the only reason I made the kiss up. 619 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,440 To get you sacked so it would stop. 620 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,080 And then he was killed. 621 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,120 And everything suddenly moved so fast. 622 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,200 So, I am... 623 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,400 ..sorry. 624 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,200 But least one of us is free now. 625 00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:15,800 PHONE VIBRATING 626 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,760 Hiya, Dave, everything OK? Yeah, sorry to call so late, boss. 627 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,240 But Mills Brewery have forwarded four emails 628 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,520 confirming Gary Walker arrived for a meeting 629 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,160 in their Hammersmith office at 4pm on the day of the murder. 630 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,000 Now, the meeting lasts an hour, 631 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,360 and it's approximately five hours door to door 632 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:45,760 back to the murder scene. 633 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,960 Right, so he's completely in the clear. 634 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,120 Yeah, looks like it. 635 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,120 All right, thanks for letting me know, mate. 636 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,040 All right, bye. 637 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,960 Right, so what I don't understand 638 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,160 is how can a kid with those kind of issues 639 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,360 not appear on the radar of social services? 640 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,720 Or at the very least an ed pysch department? 641 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,920 I don't know, but Karen Moss would have had access 642 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,280 to her daughter's records in her professional capacity. 643 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,240 What, you think she could have deleted them? 644 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,240 Why not, if they suggested some sort of trail back to Matty Taylor? 645 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,200 Er, sorry to interrupt, Boss. 646 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:35,320 Sam Wright's downstairs, says he needs to speak to you. 647 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:36,960 Cheers. 648 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,560 Right, see you in a bit. 649 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,720 Hey. Hi, Sam Wright. 650 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,640 DCI Braithwaite. Thanks, Grace. 651 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,840 Do you want to, er... Yeah. 652 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,800 OK, I know... 653 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:57,040 Unequivocally, I know that my fiancee would never hurt a fly. 654 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,440 But, er... 655 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,080 she's not been entirely honest with you. 656 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,880 For very understandable reasons, 657 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,120 she thinks you would put two and two together and make five. 658 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:10,960 But I think she's wrong to think that. 659 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,560 So after a long discussion with her... 660 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,480 and she's across all of this... 661 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,480 ..I am here to tell you the truth. 662 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,760 So, just to confirm, 663 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,640 as per your original witness statement, Mr Holmes, 664 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:43,840 approximately 5:35 to 5:50, 665 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,200 Mr Wright was with you in a probation meeting 666 00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:48,520 in your flat in Castleton. Yeah. 667 00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:55,520 Are you double checking everyone or just Sam Wright? 668 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,360 Yeah, well, no, I just wanted to confirm 669 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,840 how many that you were asked to check? 670 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,360 'Four.' Definitely? Four? 671 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,160 'Yeah, yeah, I have the original notes in front of me, 672 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,000 'four cards, all, unfortunately for you guys, 673 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,160 'paid for with cash.' Yeah, no, well, so, listen, 674 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,360 I mean, it looks like it was a bollocks this end 675 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,920 and there were actually five cards, 676 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,600 two were stuck together. 677 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,920 Erm, anyways, so if I... if I give you all five numbers now, 678 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,680 whichever one is not on your list, can you check it out for me, please? 679 00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:33,520 'Yeah, sure.' So, OK, "DF45..." 680 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,920 No. I had no encounter with him. 681 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,120 Right, so, why do you think 682 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:59,440 your fiancee... told me that you did? 683 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,920 Erm... 684 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,760 I have no idea why he'd say such a thing. 685 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,320 Well, we've also just spoken to Maria Taylor, 686 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,880 and she has now confirmed she remembers you knocking on her door 687 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,320 that day, asking after her son. 688 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,160 Despite never having mentioned this before. 689 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,360 Well, she was obviously in a state of shock, 690 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,600 right after her son was brutally murdered. 691 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,000 By the time she'd started to think at all rationally, 692 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,440 Sally Wright had been charged. 693 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,680 It never occurred to her to mention a 30-second exchange 694 00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:36,320 on her doorstep with his social worker. 695 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,520 Well, she's lying. Cos I didn't go looking for him. 696 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,160 It would be perfectly understandable, Karen, 697 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,880 for you to have been mad with Matthew. 698 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,840 I mean, what would any of us do to protect our children? 699 00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,160 Maybe this was just a moment of madness. 700 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,240 No. 701 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,120 I never saw him that day. 702 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,320 There are numerous fibres taken from Matthew's clothing after he died. 703 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,440 Hitherto unidentified hairs caught up in his school jumper and coat. 704 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,440 Would you be happy for us check those against you? 705 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,280 Yeah. 706 00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:25,240 Right hand. 707 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,720 I don't know what to say any more, Sally. 708 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,440 I've just got so much wrong and... 709 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,440 I wonder if you can ever forgive me. 710 00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:08,360 Come in. 711 00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:21,560 PHONE RINGING 712 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,080 'Hi, this is Sam Wright. Please leave a message.' 713 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,480 All right, mate? 714 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:35,160 It's Aaron... Holmes. Remember me? 715 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,560 Listen, fella, give us a call some time, will ya? 716 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,960 I think we need to have a little chat. 717 00:44:53,240 --> 00:44:56,760 I am not taking any lectures from you. 718 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,440 I know where you were last night. 719 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,360 ALARM BELLS RING 720 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,800 This has to be for keeps, Sam. 721 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,000 Why would you go to all that trouble... 722 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,400 unless you had something to hide? 723 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,960 This can't be about Karen any more. 724 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,000 I won't be anyone's second best, Sam. 725 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,520 Least of all yours. 726 00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,560 I'm sorry, Guv, but you're gonna want to see this. 80087

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