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Hallelujah!
Praise God!
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[ Applause ]
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[ Man ]
The exonerees-- they're
the greatest human resource...
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our criminal justice system
has had ever,
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because what we can learn
from them and their cases...
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can help us create
a more just society...
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and fix the system
and move it forward in a way...
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that it hasn't been
within memory.
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It, like,
breaks your soul down.
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It breaks everything down
about you.
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It takes your manhood.
It takes your pride.
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It takes your decency,
your respect,
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because
you're actually nothin'.
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All you are is
something locked in a cage
back and forth every day.
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Being a police officer,
I cooperated...
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because I thought the
state police investigators...
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would handle the investigation
the way I would've.
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When I used to
read people their rights,
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one of the first things
I would say to them...
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after they waived their rights
and they agreed to speak was,
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"If you didn't do this crime,
I don't want you
to admit to it."
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It's finally over.
It's been 19 years.
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What now?
Go home.
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[ Man ]
99.99% of defendants
never say anything.
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And he stood up,
and his words as
I best remember them:
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"Judge, I just wanna tell you,
the administration of justice
in Massachusetts...
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is a crock of shit."
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Those are the words
I remember him saying.
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[ Man ]
It was the most emotional moment
I've ever had in my career.
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I told Mr. Maher
how sorry I was...
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that I had been involved
in his prosecution,
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and I asked him to forgive me.
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[ Woman ]
All right!
[ Applause ]
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[ Man ] It's breathtaking to be
sittin' up here today,
'cause I came out of Michigan.
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That was one of the 12 states
that doesn't have
the death penalty.
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And, uh,
I think all those years,
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I was just sittin' there
thinkin' of what
it would've been like...
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had Michigan had
the death penalty.
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And I'm thoroughly convinced
that I would've been executed
about 1995 or 1996, okay?
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I'm really honored
to be here today
with all these gentlemen here...
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who were
wrongfully incarcerated.
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I know it looks like
a lot of people here,
but really it's not,
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because in actuality,
all our family...
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should be up here with us
because they all suffered.
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For every one of us up here,
there is hundreds more in
prison that don't belong there.
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There's so many of them...
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that aren't gonna
see the streets again.
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They're not gonna be with
their friends and family...
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because the DNA evidence
was lost or destroyed,
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or because there's
no DNA evidence to test.
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[ Scheck ]
The one thing that is
so unique about all of you...
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is that you all come
with the determination...
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that all that pain
must've had a purpose.
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There is a reason
that you made it,
and you're gonna find...
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that it doesn't matter
who you are--
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whether you were
a police officer
or a United States marine...
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or a Sears Roebuck salesman.
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It can happen to anybody,
and it did.
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[ Neufeld ]
You folks were responsible
for literally transforming...
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criminal justice
in this country.
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I can look around the room
and know what reform
occurred in that state...
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as a result of
your false confession
or your misidentification...
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or the junk science that
was used to convict you.
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But after those
30 minutes of fame,
the press walked away,
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and you guys were left
holding the bag.
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We didn't think about
what happens to you
after you're exonerated.
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To the extent that you can see
another comrade who hasn't
faired quite as well as you,
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please reach out to them
and communicate.
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It's probably the best thing
that we can do this weekend.
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Everyone who's doing
computer training,
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we're going into
the big conference room
to start off there.
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Uh, Jim Bromgard.
I got an e-mail.
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I get on the Internet
three, four times a week
and play around in there.
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So I got
a little bit of experience.
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You wanna tell 'em
your address?
exoneree@yahoo.com.
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[ Laughter ]
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Okay,
everybody say "freedom."
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[ All ]
Freedom!
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[ Bongos ]
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Let me play with you.
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[ Indistinct ]
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[ Vincent ]
Every time I go for a job,
it says,
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"In the last 10 years,
have you ever been convicted
of a crime?"
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It doesn't say,
"Have you ever been
wrongfully accused of a crime?"
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So my record
not being expunged,
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yes, that damages me...
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for trying to get
my life back in order
and gettin' a good job.
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Hey!
[ Laughs ]
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Where you comin' from?
Huh?
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[ Woman ]
Vincent's a very good father.
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And now he has
his baby daughter,
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and so he's trying to put
everything he has...
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or everything he lost
into that child,
and he's doing his best.
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[ Giggling ]
That's right.
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[ Vincent ]
You can't be
a father in prison.
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You can be what is called
a "dad."
My definition of a dad...
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is one that brags
and boasts about his kids.
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But a father
is one that's there
and supports and gives.
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What could I give?
I had nothin'.
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How could I support 'em?
I'm never there. I'm not home.
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[ Jackie ]
People didn't know that
he's out because he's innocent.
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People just know he's out.
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And as far as they know,
he could be a rapist.
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It's 10 years later.
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Mom and Dad wanted
to move to another state.
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He refused.
And he went on his own
personal campaign to prove,
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"Here I am. I'm innocent."
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And that's when I could tell
that psychologically,
something had happened to him.
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He needed a place to live.
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My parents gave him
the home that he's in now,
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and they moved
to North Carolina.
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Everybody brings
their laundry here.
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My sisters, my cousins,
my nieces.
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"Oh, you got
a washer and dryer.
That's a nice one."
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That's what they say.
So--
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The only thing
I require from them...
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is they bring
their own soap powder.
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Later on I tell 'em
I'll pay for the electric,
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the water
and the washing machine,
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but you gotta bring
your own soap powder.
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It was hard for my father
to explain to me,
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"I got convicted
of raping somebody,
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but Daddy didn't do it."
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So I was, like,
"How you not do it if you've
been here all these years now?"
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"This is, um,
no disrespect to you,
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but my friend,
she said that you raped her."
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And I said,
"Well, who's your friend?"
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And he said,
"The girl standin'
right there on the corner."
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So I turn around and look.
I said,
"Well, she just spoke to me."
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And he says, "Well, um,
she's goin' to get the cops,
because she said you raped her."
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So I told him,
"Well, look,
I'll wait here with you...
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until she comes back
with the cops so we can
straighten this out now."
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And all I could do was try
to convince this person that--
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"Miss, look at me real good.
You're makin' a mistake.
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You got the wrong guy.
I don't even know you."
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And I know when they told me
rape, robbery,
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possession of instrument
at crime, a gun,
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conspiracy,
and all these--
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I'm, like, my God!
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You know,
this is almost like...
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a hundred years in jail
for somethin' you didn't do,
and I'm really scared.
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You went to the best schools,
lived in
a really nice neighborhood.
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Your father worked
to pay for five kids to
go through Catholic school.
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Every Sunday, you had pancakes,
and everything in life
is wonderful.
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And then one day,
somebody comes up
and tells a lie on you,
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and you end up in jail.
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What's different is
he knows fear doesn't exist.
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[ Chattering, Indistinct ]
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It is good.
[ Child ]
I want lasagna.
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You want lasagna.
For the children.
And that's it.
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Yeah? Have a seat.
We'll be right with you, okay?
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Okay.
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Dear Lord, please bless
this food to nourish our bodies
and keep us in good health.
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Please bless those
who are not fortunate enough
to have a meal quite as this.
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Amen.
[ All ]
Amen.
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When he told me that he was
wrongfully incarcerated...
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for ten and a half years,
I was in shock.
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And all that time
he lost from his family, and--
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We kept gettin'
closer and closer together.
Yeah.
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He wasn't sleepin'.
He'd be up all night
playin' sad music.
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Beautiful music,
but it was always sad.
It wasn't, like, happy music.
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And then it seemed like
every turn I made,
it was like a wall there.
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The woman sayin'
that I raped her--
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Like, in my mind--
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in my mind, I couldn't
trust women anymore.
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It got to the point where--
"Leave me alone.
Go sleep in the other room."
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And stuff like that.
And you can't do
certain things.
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It's like not bein' able
to be a man, you know,
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when you're not
financially stable.
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So much is goin' wrong,
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you're not established
career-wise.
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You took the prime years
of my life.
21, 22, 23, 24, 25--
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These are the years where
you actually establish yourself
in your career.
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I said, "You took
those years from me."
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They didn't compensate me
or anything.
They didn't give me anything.
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They told him,
"Okay, you know what? We made
a mistake. See you later."
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"We made a mistake.
You can go home."
That's it.
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"We made a mistake.
See you later.
Have a good life."
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Heard you just got off
of death row.
Congratulations, buddy.
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Yeah, 'cause your case, uh--
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Was your case the first case
in the history of Pennsylvania
to get off of death row?
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Right. And my case
was the first case in
the history of Pennsylvania...
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to be the first one
to use DNA.
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They never expunged
my record.
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They told me they wanted $6,000
to expunge my record.
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All kinds of crazy things,
you know?
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Okay, great.
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All right, buddy.
All right.
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[ Clears Throat ]
That was Nick Yarris.
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Yeah. He told me
he did 26 years...
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[ Sighs ]
on death row.
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He's on his way here.
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When I first requested
DNA in 1987,
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who would've thought
right now that, you know,
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everyone is usin'
it now freely, man?
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'Cause I fought hard
to get that.
Ten and a half years.
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If it had not came back--
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They found four different sperms
in this woman...
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who was supposed to be
a married, you know,
upstanding citizen.
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And they found
four different sperms in her,
and none of 'em were mine.
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That's incredible.
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I was in prison,
down in the music department.
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And a guy called down.
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He was, like,
"Turn the Phil Donahue Show on!
Turn the Phil Donahue Show on!
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They're talkin' about DNA."
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How come they're out?
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How come these men are free?
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Because DNA testing proved
that they didn't do it.
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They didn't do it.
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And are you here to say
that these young men
are the tip of the iceberg?
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Now, through DNA,
we have hard evidence...
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that there is
a lot more mistakes being made
than we ever expected.
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That means that
there are thousands of people
in jail today...
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who can prove their innocence
with DNA tests
just as these gentlemen did.
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After having featured
Barry Scheck on our program,
the mail started.
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[ Vincent ]
I wrote him a five-page letter,
and I said,
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"I was watching your show.
I'm sittin' in prison,
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and I didn't commit this crime
I was accused of, of rape."
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[ Donahue ]
We were very conscientious
about reviewing--
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vetting these letters.
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I recall the audience
being very, very shocked
to learn...
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that the system didn't work.
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It's not possible to overstate
how much confidence we have.
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By God, when they go to jail,
they deserve to go to jail.
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[ Vincent ]
He told me that
he had forwarded my letter...
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to Barry Scheck
and Peter Neufeld,
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and that they would
take my case.
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Vincent?
Yes.
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Nick.
Pleased to meet you.
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Pleased to meet you, sir.
Congratulations.
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Congratulations to you.
How are you?
I'm fine.
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On the third,
I'm gonna go and enact
legislation...
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called the Nick Yarris bill...
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for compensation.
Right.
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Now that a death penalty case
was shown through DNA testing,
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they're gonna be
a little bit more receptive.
Right.
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Hopefully.
Yeah, hopefully.
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Come on.
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I was convicted
and sentenced to die...
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for murder and rape
in 1982,
242
00:14:53,639 --> 00:14:56,842
and I spent 23 years
on death row
in solitary confinement.
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And I was just released
32 days ago.
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I grew up in that house
right there for the first
seven years of my life.
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Some of my fondest
childhood memories...
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are right underneath
that green awning.
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And now I walk by,
and I'm, uh, Ebenezer,
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walking around a ghost
in my own life.
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No, man.
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Could you imagine
being accused...
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of the worst thing
you could imagine,
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be sent to a prison up
in Huntington, Pennsylvania...
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that was condemned
by the United Nations...
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for its practices of torture,
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and then be told,
"You're not allowed to speak"?
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That's true.
For the first two years,
I wasn't allowed to talk.
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I remember when I first
got out of prison...
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how loud the world was.
259
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I mean, oh, my God!
260
00:16:07,544 --> 00:16:11,114
I would hear the tires
on the cars in the street--
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00:16:11,147 --> 00:16:14,751
I wouldn't hear
the engines and the horn.
262
00:16:14,784 --> 00:16:17,620
I would hear the tires,
it would be so loud.
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00:16:17,654 --> 00:16:22,758
And I was amazed by the smell
of what the world was,
264
00:16:22,791 --> 00:16:26,563
because I had been breathing
refiltered air
for twenty-some years.
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That was-- It's strange.
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I suffered--
My sinuses and my face
was killing me,
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because I was allergic
to fresh air.
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It was hurting me
to breathe. Strange.
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00:16:40,442 --> 00:16:43,045
You know when someone
says something to you,
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and they say,
"You know, you're wrong,"
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and you know the truth,
and then it gives you
that incredible sense of peace?
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Because whatever they said,
it doesn't matter.
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00:16:53,622 --> 00:16:56,658
That was my greatest strength.
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00:16:56,692 --> 00:16:59,128
They could do whatever
they wanted to me.
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I'm one of the strongest
human beings ever created.
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I know that now.
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00:17:07,803 --> 00:17:10,005
And I say that
without an ounce of ego,
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because I've paid for it.
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The one vehicle
that you can dive where
you're actually outside,
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because I don't think
I wanna be on the inside
a whole lot for a while.
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I was inside
for a really long time.
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So I think I'll just
enjoy being outside.
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[ Man ]
Jeffery!
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[ Chattering ]
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Friends amongst you.
Oh, God. Don't start.
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Youngster.
How you doing, Luke?
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[ Nick ] Everybody
on death row knows that there's
a limited number of groups...
288
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that try to use their voices
on the outside...
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00:18:12,098 --> 00:18:16,102
to bring dignity or hope
to these men
who are in hopeless situations.
290
00:18:16,136 --> 00:18:20,475
Jeff is well hated
and well loved
in most of the prisons.
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00:18:20,508 --> 00:18:23,677
An equal value to each,
I'm glad to say.
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00:18:23,710 --> 00:18:26,246
And most of the hate is
from the administration...
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00:18:26,279 --> 00:18:30,684
who can't stand him because
he's such a pain in the ass,
294
00:18:30,717 --> 00:18:33,553
which is one of
the reasons I like him.
295
00:18:33,587 --> 00:18:37,090
It's always good to go
from writing letters
to somebody inside prison...
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00:18:37,123 --> 00:18:39,092
to having them
in your office,
297
00:18:39,125 --> 00:18:41,728
even when they're harassing you.
298
00:18:41,761 --> 00:18:46,131
I'm gonna break the
death penalty. I decided
to do that out of spite.
299
00:18:46,165 --> 00:18:50,202
I can't live in peace.
I can't walk away,
300
00:18:50,236 --> 00:18:53,639
because I looked in people's
eyes and promised them I would
come back and fight for 'em.
301
00:18:53,672 --> 00:18:59,145
Everyone here like Jeff,
they chose to do this.
That's why they have my respect.
302
00:18:59,179 --> 00:19:01,147
This isn't something
that was dropped on them.
303
00:19:01,181 --> 00:19:04,016
They decided to step up for it
because it's the right thing
to do.
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00:19:04,049 --> 00:19:06,285
I don't have a choice.
I'm no hero at all.
305
00:19:06,318 --> 00:19:09,188
I was kind of angry.
306
00:19:09,221 --> 00:19:11,590
I told the judge
to go to hell.
307
00:19:11,624 --> 00:19:14,827
I looked him right in the face
and I said,
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00:19:14,860 --> 00:19:18,030
"You and I both know
I didn't kill anyone."
309
00:19:18,063 --> 00:19:22,968
And he couldn't
look me in the eye.
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00:19:23,002 --> 00:19:25,069
It was like
it was his humiliation...
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00:19:25,103 --> 00:19:28,673
that he kept putting
his head down.
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00:19:28,706 --> 00:19:31,076
So I said,
"Look at me. You can't even
look me in the eye,
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and you're about
to sentence me to die."
314
00:19:34,013 --> 00:19:35,981
And he said,
"Are you finished?"
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00:19:36,015 --> 00:19:39,184
I said,
"No. You can go to hell."
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00:19:39,218 --> 00:19:43,722
I wasn't gonna go in there
with my head hung in shame.
I hadn't done anything.
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00:19:43,756 --> 00:19:48,560
I had to fight
despite lawyers,
318
00:19:48,593 --> 00:19:51,563
despite prosecutors
who tried to destroy evidence.
319
00:19:51,596 --> 00:19:56,134
I had to fight
despite things in prison...
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00:19:56,167 --> 00:19:58,570
you could never wanna know.
321
00:19:58,603 --> 00:20:01,573
If I was guilty
and was released on parole,
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00:20:01,606 --> 00:20:05,343
I would be entitled
to health care,
job training,
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00:20:05,376 --> 00:20:08,746
placement in society,
housing, health care--
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00:20:08,780 --> 00:20:12,283
all those things
that people on parole
are entitled to...
325
00:20:12,317 --> 00:20:16,054
as part of the program services
that enable them...
326
00:20:16,087 --> 00:20:18,222
to get back on their feet
and get their lives together.
327
00:20:18,256 --> 00:20:23,027
I was given $5.37
by the state of Pennsylvania
and let loose.
328
00:20:23,061 --> 00:20:26,096
The day I got out,
we all went home.
329
00:20:26,129 --> 00:20:29,900
There was everyone there
that I missed,
and I said simply,
330
00:20:29,933 --> 00:20:32,069
"There are two things
that I know--
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00:20:32,102 --> 00:20:35,939
family is everything,
and family is everything."
332
00:20:35,973 --> 00:20:37,975
And that's it.
333
00:20:55,158 --> 00:20:57,327
[ Man ]
"October 17, 1994.
334
00:20:57,361 --> 00:21:00,297
"Dear Mr. Neufeld,
My name is Wilton Dedge,
335
00:21:00,330 --> 00:21:03,934
"and I am very interested
in the organization
the Innocence Project.
336
00:21:03,967 --> 00:21:06,136
"I don't know
where else to turn.
337
00:21:06,169 --> 00:21:09,105
"I've tried everything I could
to prove my innocence
when all this first started.
338
00:21:09,138 --> 00:21:12,174
"When I found out that
the police were looking for me,
339
00:21:12,208 --> 00:21:17,179
"I turned myself in knowing that
it was all a mistake and that
it would be straightened out.
340
00:21:17,213 --> 00:21:20,016
"I could write a number
of pages telling you...
341
00:21:20,049 --> 00:21:24,321
"how outlandish the case is,
but I know that
you are very busy,
342
00:21:24,354 --> 00:21:26,723
"so I'll close for now.
343
00:21:26,757 --> 00:21:29,659
"I thank you in advance
for your time and
any help you can give.
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00:21:29,692 --> 00:21:31,293
Sincerely, Wilton Dedge."
345
00:21:33,963 --> 00:21:37,299
I was locked up
when I was 20 years old--
just turned 20 years old.
346
00:21:37,333 --> 00:21:42,104
And I'm 42 now,
so I've been in
a little over 22 years.
347
00:21:42,138 --> 00:21:47,810
Convicted for rape and sentenced
to two life sentences.
348
00:21:47,843 --> 00:21:52,447
I really don't understand
how I was even brought to court,
much less convicted.
349
00:21:57,952 --> 00:21:59,922
[ Man ]
According to the description
the girl gave,
350
00:21:59,955 --> 00:22:03,859
her assailant was over
six-foot tall,
180 to 200 pounds,
351
00:22:03,893 --> 00:22:05,961
long blond hair
and a receding hairline,
352
00:22:05,995 --> 00:22:09,764
which the only thing
that matches him
is long blond hair.
353
00:22:11,266 --> 00:22:13,435
Anyone that's had children,
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00:22:13,468 --> 00:22:18,907
you've got a gut feelin'
whether they're tellin' you
the truth or tellin' you a lie.
355
00:22:18,940 --> 00:22:22,010
And whichever way it is,
it usually comes out...
356
00:22:22,043 --> 00:22:24,746
the way your gut feelin' was.
357
00:22:24,779 --> 00:22:26,881
And my gut feeling
has always been...
358
00:22:26,915 --> 00:22:29,883
that Wilton was
tellin' me the truth about this.
359
00:22:29,917 --> 00:22:34,188
There's just no way
I can believe he's guilty
of what he's been accused of.
360
00:22:37,525 --> 00:22:40,395
[ Man ]
About six and a half years ago,
Barry Scheck called...
361
00:22:40,428 --> 00:22:42,464
and he said that they had
three cases in Florida,
362
00:22:42,497 --> 00:22:44,933
and would I be willing
to do them.
363
00:22:44,966 --> 00:22:47,368
And he would
positively guarantee that
I would never get paid...
364
00:22:47,402 --> 00:22:49,504
and, in fact,
that it would cost me money
to do this,
365
00:22:49,537 --> 00:22:51,905
but that if
I did a good job,
366
00:22:51,939 --> 00:22:55,109
he would send me more cases
where I wouldn't get paid and
it would cost me money to do it.
367
00:22:55,142 --> 00:22:56,877
So how do you turn down
an offer like that?
368
00:22:59,913 --> 00:23:02,850
[ Wilton ]
They had two hairs and
a semen sample from the scene.
369
00:23:02,883 --> 00:23:06,220
The first test--
the semen sample--
was inconclusive.
370
00:23:06,253 --> 00:23:09,923
So we had the two hairs found
that they used against me
in trial...
371
00:23:09,957 --> 00:23:12,825
and had the DNA testing
done on it.
372
00:23:12,859 --> 00:23:16,430
And it proved beyond a doubt
that it wasn't mine.
373
00:23:20,367 --> 00:23:24,138
Judge Silvernail granted
the admittance of DNA testing...
374
00:23:24,171 --> 00:23:28,008
and said that had I had it,
I probably would've
been acquitted.
375
00:23:28,041 --> 00:23:30,477
And the district attorney
filed an appeal...
376
00:23:30,511 --> 00:23:33,045
trying to get
the judge's decision overturned,
377
00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:37,049
saying that even though
it proves it's not mine,
that I didn't file properly.
378
00:23:37,083 --> 00:23:39,418
The presiding judge
of that court...
379
00:23:39,452 --> 00:23:43,990
asked the
assistant attorney general,
380
00:23:44,023 --> 00:23:46,859
"I wanna make sure
I understand your position.
381
00:23:46,893 --> 00:23:49,328
"If this man
is entirely innocent,
382
00:23:49,362 --> 00:23:53,199
is it still your position
that he's entitled
to no relief at all?"
383
00:23:53,232 --> 00:23:56,369
And she said,
"Yes, that's our position."
384
00:23:56,402 --> 00:23:58,871
And his jaw fell open.
385
00:23:58,905 --> 00:24:01,574
Basically,
I proved my innocence--
386
00:24:01,607 --> 00:24:05,845
innocence too soon
is what they're sayin'.
387
00:24:05,878 --> 00:24:08,948
Wilton Dedge is the case
that poses the question,
388
00:24:08,981 --> 00:24:11,450
"Does innocence matter
in Florida?"
389
00:24:11,484 --> 00:24:15,153
You have to go back
to the days of Jim Crow...
390
00:24:15,187 --> 00:24:17,923
to find an instance where
the state of Florida...
391
00:24:17,956 --> 00:24:21,193
has been as cruel...
392
00:24:21,226 --> 00:24:23,895
as it has been
in the case of a man...
393
00:24:23,929 --> 00:24:26,898
who has been demonstrably
innocent for three years--
394
00:24:26,932 --> 00:24:31,304
never mind incarcerated
for 22, demonstrably
innocent for three--
395
00:24:31,337 --> 00:24:33,572
and is still behind bars.
396
00:24:33,605 --> 00:24:36,208
[ Scheck ]
They wouldn't give us
access to the evidence.
397
00:24:36,241 --> 00:24:38,476
They wouldn't permit
the DNA testing.
398
00:24:38,510 --> 00:24:40,846
Even when we got DNA testing
that was exculpatory of Dedge,
399
00:24:40,879 --> 00:24:42,848
they didn't want
the judges to look at it.
400
00:24:42,881 --> 00:24:46,117
They didn't care
whether he was innocent.
401
00:24:46,151 --> 00:24:49,955
They were more interested
in covering themselves...
402
00:24:49,988 --> 00:24:52,858
against the possibility
they made a grievous mistake.
403
00:24:52,891 --> 00:24:55,359
The so-called
"finality of the system"...
404
00:24:55,392 --> 00:24:58,295
was more important
than getting an innocent person
out of jail...
405
00:24:58,329 --> 00:25:00,064
and finding the person
who really committed the crime.
406
00:25:05,370 --> 00:25:09,074
[ Wilton ] The Innocence Project
wrote me back asking
for a little more information.
407
00:25:09,107 --> 00:25:11,309
Once they read
through the records,
408
00:25:11,343 --> 00:25:13,644
they couldn't believe
I was convicted.
409
00:25:13,677 --> 00:25:15,946
And they've been supportive
the whole time.
410
00:25:18,015 --> 00:25:20,651
[ Neufeld ]
Welcome. It's really great
that you're all here.
411
00:25:20,684 --> 00:25:24,455
We started out as a small clinic
at a law school...
412
00:25:24,488 --> 00:25:28,025
trying to free people
who made a claim
of actual innocence.
413
00:25:28,058 --> 00:25:31,295
And we started with
a trickle of clients.
414
00:25:31,328 --> 00:25:33,497
Now, we see it's snowballed
into something...
415
00:25:33,530 --> 00:25:36,532
where we now have
a couple thousand people
moving through the system here,
416
00:25:36,566 --> 00:25:39,435
more than a hundred
active cases,
417
00:25:39,469 --> 00:25:42,673
a network of 30
Innocence Projects
around the country,
418
00:25:42,706 --> 00:25:47,077
and as much concern
with policy and reforming
criminal justice...
419
00:25:47,111 --> 00:25:52,316
to make it more scientific,
more reliable, more about
the truth-seeking function.
420
00:25:52,349 --> 00:25:54,651
In most of our cases,
the critical
biological evidence...
421
00:25:54,684 --> 00:25:57,620
has either been
lost or destroyed.
422
00:25:57,654 --> 00:26:01,357
But, more importantly,
90% of the cases don't even
involve biological evidence.
423
00:26:01,391 --> 00:26:04,027
And what it tells us
is that there are obviously...
424
00:26:04,060 --> 00:26:06,229
tens of thousands
of innocent people...
425
00:26:06,262 --> 00:26:09,032
currently languishing in prison
in the United States.
426
00:26:09,065 --> 00:26:13,136
And so, the Innocence Project
is in a race against time...
427
00:26:13,169 --> 00:26:17,272
trying to help these people,
and a lot of what you're gonna
be doing is running that race.
428
00:26:19,676 --> 00:26:22,245
I'm going through letters,
opening them up,
429
00:26:22,278 --> 00:26:25,048
reading through to make sure
they're not death row...
430
00:26:25,081 --> 00:26:27,050
so we can put the death row
ones at the top of the pile.
431
00:26:27,083 --> 00:26:30,119
And I do them
into the computer--
their names, their addresses.
432
00:26:30,153 --> 00:26:34,090
Then we give 'em to the bosses,
and they look through them and
keep going through the piles...
433
00:26:34,123 --> 00:26:36,558
and sending out letters
and deciding what to do
with the cases.
434
00:26:36,591 --> 00:26:39,328
So we do pro bono legal work.
435
00:26:39,361 --> 00:26:41,463
There's only a few
staff attorneys
and regular workers...
436
00:26:41,496 --> 00:26:43,465
that are paid
and do this full time.
437
00:26:43,498 --> 00:26:45,467
So to get through
all the letters,
438
00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:49,438
we have to have
people like me-- undergrads--
doing intake.
439
00:26:49,471 --> 00:26:52,007
[ Woman ]
All of these drawers...
440
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,343
which are just literally...
441
00:26:54,376 --> 00:26:58,580
full of cases,
442
00:26:58,613 --> 00:27:02,117
letters that
haven't been opened.
443
00:27:02,150 --> 00:27:05,387
Hundreds and thousands
of letters.
444
00:27:08,657 --> 00:27:12,194
[ Male Electronic Voice ]
I have a collect call from--
[ Wilton ] Inmate Dedge.
445
00:27:12,227 --> 00:27:16,431
an inmate at Cross City
Correctional Institute.
446
00:27:16,465 --> 00:27:20,301
To accept,
dial or say "five."
[ Presses Button ]
447
00:27:20,334 --> 00:27:22,470
Your call is being connected.
448
00:27:22,503 --> 00:27:24,505
[ Wilton ]
Nina Morrison's been real great.
449
00:27:24,538 --> 00:27:26,507
She's been callin' me here
about once a week.
450
00:27:26,540 --> 00:27:29,010
Basically,
keepin' my spirits up.
451
00:27:29,043 --> 00:27:31,579
Hey, Wilton, how you doin'?
Warm.
452
00:27:31,612 --> 00:27:35,717
Warm. Yes, I can imagine.
Has the mercury hit 90 yet?
Oh, yeah.
453
00:27:35,751 --> 00:27:39,453
Yeah, it's been that
for a few days now.
Oh. You hangin' in all right?
454
00:27:39,487 --> 00:27:41,789
Yeah. You know, it's true,
and I think it's hard,
455
00:27:41,822 --> 00:27:44,191
'cause those of us
who are on the outside forget.
456
00:27:44,225 --> 00:27:47,395
You know, this to us
feels like the time when
things are really moving.
457
00:27:47,428 --> 00:27:51,232
But I know that the days
seem a lot slower
and longer in there.
458
00:27:51,265 --> 00:27:53,768
[ Wilton ]
The same district attorney
that convicted me in '84,
459
00:27:53,801 --> 00:27:59,406
he seems to be tryin'
everything he can to keep me
from goin' back to court.
460
00:27:59,439 --> 00:28:02,442
That's the composite
that the victim did,
461
00:28:02,475 --> 00:28:05,345
and she explains what she saw
of the defendant,
462
00:28:05,378 --> 00:28:08,181
how he looked, etcetera,
and--
463
00:28:08,214 --> 00:28:12,186
"Yeah, that's it.
That's the hairline.
That's the way the hair was.
464
00:28:12,219 --> 00:28:15,122
You know, that's the nose
and the eyes, etcetera."
465
00:28:15,156 --> 00:28:18,591
And that is the way
the defendant looked
at the time.
466
00:28:18,625 --> 00:28:21,628
I mean, you ask the victim
to do an identification,
467
00:28:21,661 --> 00:28:24,531
and that's about
as good as it gets.
468
00:28:28,802 --> 00:28:32,072
[ Man ]
Through the evolution
of DNA technology,
469
00:28:32,105 --> 00:28:34,607
we can reveal
a genetic signature...
470
00:28:34,641 --> 00:28:37,610
that is unique
in the human population...
471
00:28:37,644 --> 00:28:41,580
based upon demonstrable proof.
472
00:28:43,816 --> 00:28:47,187
Having revealed that somebody
is falsely convicted...
473
00:28:47,220 --> 00:28:50,356
and frequently having
to fight a battle...
474
00:28:50,390 --> 00:28:54,394
to even do the investigations...
475
00:28:54,427 --> 00:28:59,531
is not a sign that
the system is working properly.
476
00:28:59,565 --> 00:29:01,733
That's a sign that
the system's not working.
477
00:29:01,767 --> 00:29:05,771
[ Man ]
The only thing that's occurred
up to this point in time is...
478
00:29:05,804 --> 00:29:08,507
the gate has been opened so
that this may be considered...
479
00:29:08,540 --> 00:29:11,877
in an evidence hearing,
the defendant has
the burden of proof.
480
00:29:11,910 --> 00:29:14,580
[ Silvernail ]
It's not your intent
to challenge DNA...
481
00:29:14,613 --> 00:29:17,349
in terms of the
scientific predicate, per se.
482
00:29:17,382 --> 00:29:20,785
[ Holmes ]
My challenge is as to all the
DNA testing that's been done...
483
00:29:20,818 --> 00:29:24,490
and what significance it should
play in the court's decision.
484
00:29:24,523 --> 00:29:26,758
I'm wondering if the state
would mind providing us...
485
00:29:26,792 --> 00:29:30,229
with the names and titles
of the possible witnesses
you may need to call.
486
00:29:30,262 --> 00:29:32,798
[ Holmes ]
It's a little late to be
playing the discovery game.
487
00:29:32,831 --> 00:29:35,467
[ Hirsch ]
Your Honor,
I don't quite know...
488
00:29:35,501 --> 00:29:38,170
what Mr. Holmes means by
"playing the discovery game."
489
00:29:38,203 --> 00:29:41,572
We're gonna produce the DNA
evidence and what we have to do
to get it before the court.
490
00:29:41,606 --> 00:29:43,908
That's our case.
491
00:29:47,578 --> 00:29:50,648
It just turns out
that Dennis,
492
00:29:50,681 --> 00:29:55,887
our 127th exoneree
from Massachusetts,
was coming into town today--
493
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,289
For her birthday.
For my birthday.
494
00:29:58,322 --> 00:30:02,560
So we thought, wow,
what a better lunchtime treat...
495
00:30:02,593 --> 00:30:06,731
than to have--
to hear a real exoneree
tell his story.
496
00:30:06,764 --> 00:30:11,702
And he is doing way, way better
than a lot of our other guys.
497
00:30:11,736 --> 00:30:14,639
And he'll tell you the rest.
498
00:30:14,672 --> 00:30:16,774
Dennis.
499
00:30:16,807 --> 00:30:19,510
In November of 1983,
500
00:30:19,544 --> 00:30:23,180
I was arrested and charged
with attempted rape, rape,
501
00:30:23,213 --> 00:30:25,448
assault and battery
with a dangerous weapon,
502
00:30:25,482 --> 00:30:28,285
and assorted other charges.
503
00:30:28,318 --> 00:30:31,521
I was sentenced
to 20 to 30 years
and second degree life.
504
00:30:31,555 --> 00:30:36,226
And so I expected
to never get out of prison.
505
00:30:36,259 --> 00:30:38,429
And then in 1993,
506
00:30:38,462 --> 00:30:41,766
I saw on Phil Donahue
Barry Scheck...
507
00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:45,635
had just started
the Innocence Project
in New York.
508
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:48,471
So I wrote Barry a letter
and asked him for help.
509
00:30:48,505 --> 00:30:51,575
Now, I went, like,
510
00:30:51,608 --> 00:30:54,578
16 years without a lawyer.
511
00:30:54,611 --> 00:30:57,013
I did all of this work
by myself.
512
00:30:59,883 --> 00:31:01,618
And then,
I had a lawyer.
513
00:31:03,485 --> 00:31:06,255
So as you can imagine,
it was a very emotional time.
514
00:31:10,826 --> 00:31:12,795
[ Man ]
Is there anything else
that I have to do...
515
00:31:12,828 --> 00:31:15,498
other than sign the motion
to vacate--
516
00:31:15,532 --> 00:31:19,669
to have him released
from the courtroom?
[ Woman ] No, Your Honor.
517
00:31:19,703 --> 00:31:21,738
Well, I've allowed the motion.
I'm signing it.
518
00:31:23,739 --> 00:31:25,908
And it shall be filed.
519
00:31:25,941 --> 00:31:28,310
Is there anything else?
[ Woman ]
Thank you, Your Honor.
520
00:31:28,344 --> 00:31:30,446
Thank you very much.
Thank you very much.
521
00:31:31,981 --> 00:31:34,917
The defendant is expulsed.
[ Applause ]
522
00:31:41,390 --> 00:31:44,492
[ Dennis ]
She's my hero. Without her,
I'd still be in prison.
523
00:31:44,525 --> 00:31:46,494
She fought for my case.
524
00:31:46,527 --> 00:31:48,663
She fought for me.
525
00:31:48,696 --> 00:31:50,965
She believed in me.
526
00:31:50,999 --> 00:31:55,004
You know,
how can you say thank you
for what she did?
527
00:31:56,538 --> 00:31:58,340
There is no way.
528
00:32:00,976 --> 00:32:03,512
[ Man ]
Come forward. Come forward.
Come forward. Come forward.
529
00:32:03,545 --> 00:32:05,747
Dennis is just gonna make
maybe one statement here.
530
00:32:05,780 --> 00:32:08,683
And then, as you all know,
there's a larger
press conference at 12:00.
531
00:32:08,716 --> 00:32:11,352
[ Man ]
Dennis, how are you?
How are you feeling, Dennis?
532
00:32:11,386 --> 00:32:13,955
I have no comments right now.
[ Laughter ]
533
00:32:13,988 --> 00:32:15,957
It's all a little overwhelming.
534
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:19,927
[ Chattering ]
535
00:32:19,961 --> 00:32:24,332
J. Carney wanted
to talk to you.
Yeah, I'll talk to him.
536
00:32:24,365 --> 00:32:27,034
[ Dennis ]
As I was leaving,
the senior court officer says,
537
00:32:27,067 --> 00:32:31,406
"J.W. Carney--"
the D.A. who prosecuted me--
"he would like to talk to you."
538
00:32:31,439 --> 00:32:33,341
And he apologized.
539
00:32:35,943 --> 00:32:38,446
And it was, um,
a true apology.
540
00:32:38,479 --> 00:32:41,449
You know,
it was really heartfelt.
541
00:32:41,482 --> 00:32:43,451
So I got my apology.
542
00:32:43,484 --> 00:32:45,086
That felt good.
543
00:32:49,890 --> 00:32:53,627
Comin' out. Back up.
Watch out.
544
00:32:53,660 --> 00:32:56,963
[ Camera Shutters Clicking ]
545
00:32:56,997 --> 00:33:00,434
We were all happy.
We all had tears in our eyes,
546
00:33:00,467 --> 00:33:05,072
'cause we knew now
that he was comin' home.
547
00:33:05,105 --> 00:33:07,407
And when he come home--
Oh, my goodness.
548
00:33:07,441 --> 00:33:12,379
[ Chuckling ]
That was a cryin' day.
549
00:33:12,412 --> 00:33:16,416
Makes me feel like a new man,
like when he was a kid.
550
00:33:16,450 --> 00:33:18,919
That's what it
makes me feel like.
551
00:33:31,997 --> 00:33:34,400
[ Dennis ]
My parents were livin' alone.
552
00:33:34,433 --> 00:33:36,469
I moved back in with 'em.
553
00:33:36,502 --> 00:33:38,838
This used to be
their entertainment room.
554
00:33:38,871 --> 00:33:41,040
Well, now I live in here.
555
00:33:41,073 --> 00:33:46,146
And they say,
"When you go away, it's quiet.
We like it when you're here.
556
00:33:46,179 --> 00:33:49,615
'Cause even if you're
not talkin' to us,
you're still makin' noise."
557
00:33:49,648 --> 00:33:52,818
So it had a good effect
on them.
558
00:33:52,852 --> 00:33:55,121
[ Man On P.A., Indistinct ]
Come on, Sarah.
Get out there.
559
00:33:58,023 --> 00:34:01,026
Come on, Sarah!
[ Laughing ]
560
00:34:01,060 --> 00:34:04,029
[ Man On P.A. Continues ]
561
00:34:07,899 --> 00:34:11,770
He came in last.
He came in last.
Right there. No good.
562
00:34:11,803 --> 00:34:14,139
Now I'm just about even.
[ Dennis ]
You won last week.
563
00:34:14,172 --> 00:34:17,809
I won two bucks.
Better than nothin'.
564
00:34:19,778 --> 00:34:24,950
When he was in jail,
I lost interest in everything...
565
00:34:24,984 --> 00:34:27,653
just on account of that.
566
00:34:27,686 --> 00:34:31,022
'Cause when he got arrested,
I almost got arrested
myself with him.
567
00:34:31,055 --> 00:34:33,224
I was ready to start fightin'
with the cops.
568
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,762
Last race,
then we go home.
569
00:34:48,839 --> 00:34:52,910
[ Dennis ]
Today's my birthday. It's
my first birthday out of prison.
570
00:34:52,943 --> 00:34:55,446
So I can do what I want.
571
00:34:55,479 --> 00:34:57,949
If I don't wanna do nothin',
I don't have to do nothin'.
572
00:34:59,617 --> 00:35:04,122
Happy birthday to you
573
00:35:04,155 --> 00:35:08,159
Happy birthday to you
574
00:35:08,193 --> 00:35:13,130
Happy birthday
dear Dennis
575
00:35:13,163 --> 00:35:17,935
Happy birthday to you
576
00:35:17,968 --> 00:35:20,103
Blow out the candles.
Make a wish.
577
00:35:20,137 --> 00:35:23,240
[ Cheering ]
Yea!
578
00:35:25,642 --> 00:35:29,812
This is the sweatshirt
and the jacket I had on
when I got arrested.
579
00:35:29,846 --> 00:35:34,051
I planned on doin'
20 years in the military,
580
00:35:34,084 --> 00:35:36,820
and then startin'
a second career as a mechanic.
581
00:35:36,854 --> 00:35:41,658
You know, that was when
my hopes in a day got shattered.
582
00:35:43,994 --> 00:35:47,831
I bought a six-pack
in the Lowell Package Store.
583
00:35:47,865 --> 00:35:51,868
Walked down here and
got arrested right in front
of the soap-washed windows.
584
00:35:51,901 --> 00:35:54,270
And I had a half an ounce
of marijuana in my pocket,
585
00:35:54,303 --> 00:35:56,739
and he arrested me
for possession.
586
00:35:56,772 --> 00:35:59,809
And that's where
it started from.
587
00:35:59,842 --> 00:36:04,747
He seen me in
a red-hooded sweatshirt
from across the-- two streets.
588
00:36:04,780 --> 00:36:08,818
And I was the one,
589
00:36:08,851 --> 00:36:11,754
and he was gonna take me down.
590
00:36:11,787 --> 00:36:16,859
I thought I was arrested
for possession of marijuana.
Then they told me about rape.
591
00:36:16,893 --> 00:36:20,963
So I says,
"Well, I didn't do 'em,
and I think I need a lawyer."
592
00:36:20,997 --> 00:36:23,633
They were week-long trials.
593
00:36:23,666 --> 00:36:27,303
Most of it was just the victim
sayin', "He did it."
594
00:36:27,336 --> 00:36:29,705
It felt bad because...
595
00:36:29,739 --> 00:36:31,806
I could see the pain
that the women were in.
596
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,809
And...
597
00:36:34,843 --> 00:36:38,313
I know I didn't do it,
and they were sayin' I did.
598
00:36:38,346 --> 00:36:40,649
I had never
seen these women before.
599
00:36:40,682 --> 00:36:44,052
My lawyer was
the worst lawyer on the planet.
600
00:36:44,085 --> 00:36:46,621
The only time I saw him
was at court.
601
00:36:46,655 --> 00:36:48,224
He never visited
the scene of the crime.
602
00:36:48,257 --> 00:36:52,594
He was horrifying.
603
00:36:52,627 --> 00:36:54,796
I wanted to get rid of him,
but I didn't know how to.
604
00:36:54,829 --> 00:36:56,364
I'd never been to court.
605
00:36:57,999 --> 00:37:00,769
I was in shock,
606
00:37:00,802 --> 00:37:03,338
because I got found guilty.
607
00:37:03,371 --> 00:37:05,640
And then he sentenced me
to all that time,
608
00:37:05,674 --> 00:37:10,011
and I didn't know
what to expect in prison.
609
00:37:10,045 --> 00:37:14,782
You know,
I expected bein' beaten,
bein' raped.
610
00:37:14,815 --> 00:37:17,851
I expected to die in prison.
611
00:37:20,354 --> 00:37:24,858
[ Woman ]
I met Dennis at the
treatment center at Bridgewater.
612
00:37:24,892 --> 00:37:27,295
He was committed there after
he was found too dangerous.
613
00:37:27,329 --> 00:37:29,297
Everybody there
is doing therapy.
614
00:37:29,331 --> 00:37:33,367
It's not your, um--
I guess your typical
prison environment.
615
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,769
Usually,
in the beginning of treatment,
616
00:37:35,803 --> 00:37:38,205
the men will come in
claiming they're innocent.
617
00:37:38,238 --> 00:37:41,375
But over time,
they work through that denial.
618
00:37:41,408 --> 00:37:44,311
[ Dennis ]
I became one of the prizes
in the treatment center.
619
00:37:44,345 --> 00:37:47,214
If you could get Dennis
to admit to his crimes,
620
00:37:47,247 --> 00:37:49,350
you were
accomplishing something.
621
00:37:49,383 --> 00:37:54,787
Um, I used to tell
the therapists-- I said,
"Listen, I didn't do the crimes.
622
00:37:54,821 --> 00:37:58,391
"I know it's your job
to get me to admit to it.
It'll never happen.
623
00:37:58,424 --> 00:38:01,394
"I'll do what therapy I can do,
624
00:38:01,427 --> 00:38:04,698
but it'll be nothing
on the crimes."
625
00:38:04,732 --> 00:38:08,002
I was a pretty angry person
in prison.
626
00:38:08,035 --> 00:38:10,004
I would go to work
in the mornings,
627
00:38:10,037 --> 00:38:12,206
and the guys would say,
"Uh-oh. Who pissed him off?"
628
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,709
And I'd tell 'em,
"You do 18 or 19 years in prison
when you're innocent,
629
00:38:16,743 --> 00:38:20,413
and see if you don't have
a lot of bad days."
630
00:38:20,446 --> 00:38:23,983
[ Dizio ] Whether it be
an anger management
or a stress management class,
631
00:38:24,017 --> 00:38:26,252
I think having
those therapeutic outlets...
632
00:38:26,285 --> 00:38:30,723
really helped
both maintain him
and also continue his drive.
633
00:38:38,930 --> 00:38:42,301
[ Dennis ]
It helped me not to
become institutionalized.
634
00:38:42,335 --> 00:38:45,171
If I was institutionalized,
I couldn't do anything
when I got out.
635
00:38:45,204 --> 00:38:48,141
I have a job now,
I have my driver's license,
636
00:38:48,174 --> 00:38:52,145
and I function
as close to normal as I can.
637
00:38:52,178 --> 00:38:55,447
[ Man ]
He must've felt everybody
was against him in prison.
638
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,816
[ Chattering ]
639
00:39:00,919 --> 00:39:04,022
I mean, everybody else
is lookin' at you like,
"You did it. You did it."
640
00:39:04,056 --> 00:39:06,458
Then finally, you get redeemed.
That must've been nice.
641
00:39:06,491 --> 00:39:09,127
Or were you angry?
I don't know.
642
00:39:09,161 --> 00:39:11,129
He ain't got no grudge
against nothin'.
643
00:39:11,163 --> 00:39:14,399
That's why I know
he's that way--
an innocent man and a good man.
644
00:39:14,433 --> 00:39:17,402
I'm, like,
"You gotta be shittin' me.
After that long?"
645
00:39:17,436 --> 00:39:21,139
Oh! It shocked me.
Really, it did.
646
00:39:23,408 --> 00:39:27,212
How can you be in jail that long
and not be angry
or not be upset, you know?
647
00:39:27,245 --> 00:39:31,416
He just said he wasn't,
so he's a better man
than I am for that.
648
00:39:39,290 --> 00:39:42,126
My name's Jeffery Scott Hornoff,
and I'm a police officer.
649
00:39:42,159 --> 00:39:46,797
I was convicted
of first degree murder
and sentenced to life in prison.
650
00:39:46,831 --> 00:39:50,201
Every step
of the judicial system
failed me and my family.
651
00:39:50,234 --> 00:39:53,505
And if not for
the guilt and remorse
of the true killer,
652
00:39:53,538 --> 00:39:55,841
I'd still be in prison.
653
00:39:58,209 --> 00:40:02,346
[ Man ]
This guy, Scott Hornoff,
was in jail.
654
00:40:02,379 --> 00:40:05,049
[ Continues, Indistinct ]
655
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,922
[ Scott ]
My oldest son
was about six and a half.
656
00:40:11,956 --> 00:40:14,825
I always saw myself
gettin' down on bended knee...
657
00:40:14,859 --> 00:40:18,995
and him jumpin' in my arms
when I was freed.
658
00:40:19,028 --> 00:40:24,434
Now he's 14.
He's six-foot tall,
245 pounds.
659
00:40:24,467 --> 00:40:27,771
He was in the courtroom
when I was freed,
and he picked me up.
660
00:40:27,804 --> 00:40:30,508
[ Applause ]
661
00:40:35,312 --> 00:40:38,481
He's free. Free.
662
00:40:38,515 --> 00:40:42,252
Oh, honey.
Now you can live again.
663
00:40:45,255 --> 00:40:47,257
I love you.
664
00:40:51,561 --> 00:40:54,898
I doubt if even Shakespeare
could find the words...
665
00:40:54,931 --> 00:40:58,534
to express adequately
how I'm feelin' right now.
666
00:40:58,567 --> 00:41:01,837
I thank God
and I thank my family...
667
00:41:01,870 --> 00:41:04,573
and my friends,
both old and new,
668
00:41:04,606 --> 00:41:08,478
for supporting me
and fighting for me...
669
00:41:08,511 --> 00:41:10,547
and never
giving up on me,
670
00:41:10,580 --> 00:41:15,051
even in the darkest times
when I thought of
giving up myself.
671
00:41:15,084 --> 00:41:18,521
My thoughts go out
to the thousands
of other innocent people...
672
00:41:18,555 --> 00:41:22,224
still wrongfully imprisoned
across the United States,
673
00:41:22,257 --> 00:41:27,095
and the thousands more facing
unjust and unfair
prison sentences.
674
00:41:27,129 --> 00:41:30,032
And I hope
to help change that.
675
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:37,239
This was my first beat
right here.
676
00:41:37,272 --> 00:41:39,507
This is considered
post seven in Warwick.
677
00:41:42,210 --> 00:41:46,281
Being a police officer
and being questioned
for a murder...
678
00:41:46,315 --> 00:41:50,252
was, uh,
an undescribable feeling.
679
00:41:50,285 --> 00:41:54,957
I had decided
to become a police officer
at the age of 12,
680
00:41:54,990 --> 00:41:57,092
and I pretty much
devoted my life to it.
681
00:41:57,125 --> 00:42:00,261
And to have
the whole judicial system
turn around and target me...
682
00:42:00,294 --> 00:42:02,430
was really hard to take.
683
00:42:02,463 --> 00:42:05,499
I was unfaithful
to my ex-wife.
684
00:42:05,533 --> 00:42:08,369
Vicki and I
were intimate twice.
685
00:42:08,402 --> 00:42:12,240
I feared I would be questioned
because of my brief relationship
with her,
686
00:42:12,273 --> 00:42:16,143
but I never realized
I would be questioned
as a suspect.
687
00:42:16,177 --> 00:42:18,479
It was just ridiculous
how the Warwick police...
688
00:42:18,512 --> 00:42:21,214
handled the investigation
from the very beginning.
689
00:42:21,248 --> 00:42:25,620
They trampled underneath
where Todd Barry climbed up.
690
00:42:25,653 --> 00:42:30,324
They walked all over there,
where they could've gotten
some footprints.
691
00:42:30,358 --> 00:42:34,695
And there were scuff marks
goin' up, and they didn't
do anything with those.
692
00:42:36,931 --> 00:42:39,500
There was no apology
from the judge,
693
00:42:39,533 --> 00:42:41,534
the prosecutor,
the attorney general.
694
00:42:41,568 --> 00:42:45,205
Actually,
I think they were upset at me
for being innocent.
695
00:42:45,238 --> 00:42:48,608
This is the
Warwick Police Department.
696
00:42:48,642 --> 00:42:51,645
It's where I was welcomed
into detectives,
697
00:42:51,678 --> 00:42:54,648
and then questioned
about Vicki's murder.
698
00:42:57,617 --> 00:43:00,955
[ Man ]
I don't think you ever enjoyed
the presumption of innocence.
699
00:43:00,988 --> 00:43:05,158
The only thing that
you did wrong was have
this affair with the girl.
700
00:43:05,191 --> 00:43:07,360
And suddenly,
the spotlight's on you.
701
00:43:07,394 --> 00:43:11,197
There is still the idea
that if you've been arrested,
you did somethin'.
702
00:43:11,231 --> 00:43:14,134
But here, he must've
done somethin' really bad,
703
00:43:14,167 --> 00:43:16,937
because he's a policeman
and the police arrested him.
704
00:43:16,970 --> 00:43:20,073
Okay?
And that--
705
00:43:20,106 --> 00:43:24,710
that was somethin'
you were never, ever going
to get over.
706
00:43:24,743 --> 00:43:29,348
Did you ever go down
and get your badge and I.D.
after you got reinstated?
707
00:43:29,381 --> 00:43:31,650
That's part of
tomorrow's discussion.
Oh.
708
00:43:31,684 --> 00:43:35,622
So what my attorney
is sayin' is, "Okay, fine.
709
00:43:35,655 --> 00:43:38,158
"You tell us what 10 years
of back pay...
710
00:43:38,191 --> 00:43:40,393
"and six and a half years
of wrongful imprisonment...
711
00:43:40,427 --> 00:43:43,562
"and the loss of Scott's home
and the loss
of his mom's home...
712
00:43:43,595 --> 00:43:45,664
and everything that
goes along with it is worth."
713
00:43:45,698 --> 00:43:48,534
So they haven't
come up with a figure,
714
00:43:48,567 --> 00:43:52,471
and it appears that they have
no intention of doin' so.
We'll see.
715
00:43:55,574 --> 00:43:58,510
He'll just kind of be
slumped over
and he'll just say,
716
00:43:58,544 --> 00:44:02,481
"I never thought I'd say this,
but in a lot of ways,
it was easier in prison."
717
00:44:02,514 --> 00:44:05,283
And that is heartbreaking.
718
00:44:05,316 --> 00:44:07,618
This was my city,
719
00:44:07,652 --> 00:44:11,255
and a lot of times,
I feel like a foreigner.
720
00:44:11,289 --> 00:44:14,026
I feel out of place.
But it's, like, God,
I miss those days,
721
00:44:14,059 --> 00:44:18,063
and I miss, you know,
bein' a part of that.
722
00:44:18,097 --> 00:44:22,001
And even though
I've been ordered reinstated,
I haven't been back to work yet.
723
00:44:22,034 --> 00:44:25,203
I purchased
quite a few books...
724
00:44:25,236 --> 00:44:27,038
and read books on drawing
while I was in there.
725
00:44:27,071 --> 00:44:29,640
It was one of the things
I did to pass time.
726
00:44:29,674 --> 00:44:32,010
It represented very well
the distance...
727
00:44:32,043 --> 00:44:34,178
between me and my son Jacob.
728
00:44:34,212 --> 00:44:38,116
He was born three months
after I went to prison.
729
00:44:38,149 --> 00:44:43,421
My hand tossin' the ball to him,
and then with him
with his hand out.
730
00:44:43,454 --> 00:44:47,691
Or this one here
of Tina's hand, and I drew
her hand reaching out to mine.
731
00:44:52,497 --> 00:44:56,434
We're at least gonna ask
that Scott be placed
on the payroll.
732
00:44:56,467 --> 00:44:59,804
Because as of now,
he's still not receiving
any income.
733
00:44:59,837 --> 00:45:04,142
So we've been relying
solely on my income,
734
00:45:04,175 --> 00:45:08,211
and his mom has been wonderful
in giving him
some pocket change.
735
00:45:08,245 --> 00:45:12,449
And my parents
have been letting us
stretch out the rent.
736
00:45:12,482 --> 00:45:16,286
If we took a right down here,
it would take us down
to high security,
737
00:45:16,319 --> 00:45:18,588
where I was for the last year.
738
00:45:24,828 --> 00:45:28,231
Thank you. Welcome
to the inner sanctum, Tina.
739
00:45:28,265 --> 00:45:29,499
Ah!
740
00:45:29,533 --> 00:45:32,069
[ Man ]
I've worked
with thousands of offenders,
741
00:45:32,102 --> 00:45:34,504
and I know it's not so easy
to get on with your life.
742
00:45:34,538 --> 00:45:37,841
I could see it in Scott.
743
00:45:37,874 --> 00:45:41,211
This was a guy
that never belonged here
in the first place,
744
00:45:41,244 --> 00:45:46,582
and I felt some obligation
to try to help him out.
745
00:45:46,615 --> 00:45:49,785
And that's when
the friendship took route.
746
00:45:49,819 --> 00:45:52,488
I do think that in the month
since I've known you,
747
00:45:52,521 --> 00:45:56,692
the stare has faded.
748
00:45:56,725 --> 00:46:00,463
This place, you know,
does change people.
You were our test case.
749
00:46:00,496 --> 00:46:03,432
Because the question
had always been--
750
00:46:03,466 --> 00:46:07,169
when somebody has difficulty
adjusting to life
after prison,
751
00:46:07,203 --> 00:46:10,873
is it because
of the problems that they had
before they came to prison,
752
00:46:10,906 --> 00:46:13,542
or is it the experience
of imprisonment itself?
753
00:46:13,576 --> 00:46:18,380
And your case suggests
that the experience itself
takes a toll.
754
00:46:18,414 --> 00:46:21,217
And that's sobering.
Innocent or guilty,
people are people.
755
00:46:21,250 --> 00:46:25,254
And I've definitely
learned a lot
from being on that side.
756
00:46:25,287 --> 00:46:29,724
[ Scott ] I was told,
in the facility I was at
for five and a half years,
757
00:46:29,757 --> 00:46:32,760
their job was
to break everybody,
758
00:46:32,794 --> 00:46:35,430
to break their spirit.
759
00:46:35,463 --> 00:46:37,632
It wasn't rehabilitation.
760
00:46:37,665 --> 00:46:41,137
There weren't really
any opportunities for people
to turn themselves around...
761
00:46:41,170 --> 00:46:44,507
or to prepare themselves
for reintegration.
762
00:46:44,540 --> 00:46:49,711
Hi, Jacob.
Are you going to Zachary's game?
763
00:46:49,744 --> 00:46:53,915
Well, maybe I can pick you up
before the game and we can
go get a burger or something.
764
00:46:53,948 --> 00:46:57,519
All right, buddy.
I love you. Bye.
[ Phone Clicks ]
765
00:46:57,552 --> 00:46:59,888
I know when I was in prison,
I said I'd give my right arm...
766
00:46:59,921 --> 00:47:03,291
just to spend
a couple hours with him...
767
00:47:03,324 --> 00:47:08,362
without them being forced
to go through metal detectors
and razor wire fences.
768
00:47:08,395 --> 00:47:11,765
I really miss my mom.
I miss the woman that she was.
769
00:47:11,798 --> 00:47:15,202
This really did a number on her
more than anybody.
770
00:47:15,235 --> 00:47:19,741
I have an edge to me,
but what this has done to her,
771
00:47:19,774 --> 00:47:22,477
it's-- it breaks my heart.
772
00:47:25,413 --> 00:47:28,348
He has to reconcile
the police officer,
773
00:47:28,382 --> 00:47:31,418
the ex-husband, the dad,
774
00:47:31,451 --> 00:47:33,854
the son, the brother,
775
00:47:33,887 --> 00:47:38,358
the wrongfully convicted person,
776
00:47:38,392 --> 00:47:43,330
the incarcerated person,
the exoneree all into one,
777
00:47:43,363 --> 00:47:48,602
and then figure out
where he can move from here,
778
00:47:48,635 --> 00:47:51,604
and who he wants
to be from here.
779
00:48:12,792 --> 00:48:15,728
[ Man ]
My grandfather planted that tree
before I went to prison.
780
00:48:15,761 --> 00:48:18,464
That tree was just
a little stick, you know,
781
00:48:18,497 --> 00:48:20,666
that he had put in the ground.
782
00:48:20,700 --> 00:48:24,003
Look at it now.
There it is 22 years later,
full grown.
783
00:48:31,376 --> 00:48:33,346
Hello.
How you doin'?
784
00:48:33,379 --> 00:48:34,914
All right?
Good to see ya.
785
00:48:39,352 --> 00:48:41,787
See, all of this--
this street here?
786
00:48:41,821 --> 00:48:46,325
All this street here.
All this old neighborhood
been changed now.
787
00:48:46,359 --> 00:48:49,562
[ Woman ]
When an exoneree is released,
788
00:48:49,595 --> 00:48:52,631
the first thing that
the Life After Exoneration
Program does...
789
00:48:52,664 --> 00:48:55,500
is work with the family
and the community...
790
00:48:55,533 --> 00:48:58,603
to find out what resources
are available...
791
00:48:58,637 --> 00:49:02,774
in terms of affordable housing,
job placement programs,
792
00:49:02,807 --> 00:49:05,910
training programs,
vocational programs,
compensation legislation.
793
00:49:05,944 --> 00:49:08,346
That money really should
come back to these folks...
794
00:49:08,380 --> 00:49:10,416
and try to help them
resettle their lives.
795
00:49:10,449 --> 00:49:13,718
Feels wonderful.
It's wonderful.
796
00:49:13,752 --> 00:49:15,920
I waited a long time.
797
00:49:15,954 --> 00:49:18,056
They assume that when
they get out,
798
00:49:18,089 --> 00:49:20,058
not only should they
have their life back,
799
00:49:20,091 --> 00:49:22,460
but their life
should be easier.
800
00:49:22,494 --> 00:49:25,597
And yet what they find
is not what they expect.
801
00:49:25,630 --> 00:49:28,533
In the ordinary world
no one is dealing...
802
00:49:28,566 --> 00:49:32,069
with something as profound
as what happened to them.
803
00:49:32,102 --> 00:49:34,905
And yet, they have something
profound to say.
804
00:49:34,938 --> 00:49:38,609
And they have something profound
that they've experienced.
805
00:49:38,642 --> 00:49:43,881
Calvin, if we were
to ask your neighbors
if they remember the crime,
806
00:49:43,914 --> 00:49:46,551
and do they know
that you're out,
would you mind that?
807
00:49:46,584 --> 00:49:49,754
What you gonna benefit from it?
Tell me that.
808
00:49:49,788 --> 00:49:53,791
It's the same thing
with going to talk
to the prosecutor's office.
809
00:49:53,824 --> 00:49:58,462
To understand what he's thinking
makes me better understand...
810
00:49:58,495 --> 00:50:00,464
what's going on
with the people...
811
00:50:00,497 --> 00:50:03,033
that we're trying to get
involved in helping you.
812
00:50:05,469 --> 00:50:08,772
[ Man ] Is it tragic that
he spent 20 years behind bars,
813
00:50:08,806 --> 00:50:12,742
when, if we had
the evidence 20 years ago,
we wouldn't have prosecuted him?
814
00:50:12,775 --> 00:50:14,777
Of course, yeah.
It's tragic.
815
00:50:14,811 --> 00:50:18,781
But that doesn't mean
he was wrongly convicted.
Because he wasn't.
816
00:50:18,815 --> 00:50:21,784
The system worked exactly
like it was supposed to.
817
00:50:21,818 --> 00:50:26,557
So, you know, the government
doesn't owe an apology
to anybody about that.
818
00:50:26,590 --> 00:50:28,826
This is just one
of those horrible,
horrible things.
819
00:50:28,859 --> 00:50:32,863
When you left,
did they give you anything
to take with you?
820
00:50:32,896 --> 00:50:34,864
Any money? A-Anything?
821
00:50:34,897 --> 00:50:37,567
Yeah, they turned
their back, you know?
822
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,069
Nobody shook my hand.
Nobody told me they're sorry.
823
00:50:40,103 --> 00:50:42,472
And that's where
Mrs. Vollen comes in.
824
00:50:42,505 --> 00:50:46,542
How did you feel that you
do have somebody on your side,
people willing to help you?
825
00:50:46,576 --> 00:50:48,711
Well, I consider her
a close friend.
826
00:50:48,745 --> 00:50:52,982
Uh, and it's sad to say
that someone in another state...
827
00:50:53,015 --> 00:50:56,952
has to come to your state,
you know, to get you support.
828
00:50:56,985 --> 00:51:00,523
Because they don't have
a compensation bill
here in Louisiana.
829
00:51:00,556 --> 00:51:02,725
And it don't seem like
they want to get one.
830
00:51:06,863 --> 00:51:09,866
[ Calvin ]
I was sent to prison for
a mistake that I didn't make.
831
00:51:09,899 --> 00:51:12,635
It was a mistake
that other people made.
832
00:51:12,668 --> 00:51:16,638
And it took them 22 years
to correct their mistake.
833
00:51:16,671 --> 00:51:19,775
[ Vollen ]
His plan is to get
a barber's license,
834
00:51:19,808 --> 00:51:22,077
and eventually open up
one of his own shops.
835
00:51:22,110 --> 00:51:24,079
But in order to do that,
he has to get his G.E.D.
836
00:51:24,112 --> 00:51:26,715
So he's enrolled
in a G.E.D. program.
837
00:51:26,748 --> 00:51:28,717
And since you're in
the business community,
838
00:51:28,750 --> 00:51:31,019
you probably know
what the opportunities are.
839
00:51:31,052 --> 00:51:34,789
I think you are
the group that offers
the greatest promise...
840
00:51:34,822 --> 00:51:36,657
to really make a difference.
841
00:51:40,228 --> 00:51:41,997
[ No Audible Dialogue ]
842
00:51:42,030 --> 00:51:43,999
[ Calvin ]
I want what everybody else want.
843
00:51:44,032 --> 00:51:46,968
I want the right to be free.
I want the right to live free.
844
00:51:47,002 --> 00:51:48,937
I want the right
to be able to--
845
00:51:48,970 --> 00:51:51,440
to support a family.
846
00:51:51,473 --> 00:51:55,110
I want my own home.
I want my own car.
847
00:51:55,143 --> 00:51:59,447
I want, you know,
all the things that--
where I can live co--
848
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,882
I want to be
financially secure.
849
00:52:01,916 --> 00:52:04,452
[ Woman ]
Mr. Willis?
850
00:52:04,485 --> 00:52:07,221
[ Calvin ]
I'm not just trying to get
compensation for me.
851
00:52:07,254 --> 00:52:10,724
I'm trying to get compensation
for the guys that come out
before me,
852
00:52:10,758 --> 00:52:12,860
for the guys that's gonna
come out after me.
853
00:52:12,893 --> 00:52:15,130
You see, this is my reason.
854
00:52:15,163 --> 00:52:18,632
You know, I could easily just
come out and say, "I'm free."
[ Woman ] Right.
855
00:52:18,666 --> 00:52:20,968
You know?
And not do anything.
And not do anything.
856
00:52:21,001 --> 00:52:24,505
Right. Okay.
What it is that we can do
in the city of Shreveport...
857
00:52:24,538 --> 00:52:27,007
to come on board
to assist Calvin--
858
00:52:27,041 --> 00:52:30,211
And you can't do it
without a willingness
from the community...
859
00:52:30,244 --> 00:52:33,147
to accept you back
in a meaningful way.
860
00:52:33,180 --> 00:52:35,783
[ Woman ]
And anyone out there--
861
00:52:35,816 --> 00:52:39,519
They need to do what
if they would like
to participate?
862
00:52:39,552 --> 00:52:42,555
[ Vollen ]
They need to join tonight
at the Temple of Vision.
863
00:52:42,589 --> 00:52:46,860
And I hope to see as many
of you listening right now as
possible in about five minutes.
864
00:52:46,893 --> 00:52:51,732
After being gone for 22 years,
and coming home...
865
00:52:51,765 --> 00:52:54,602
and staying
with my grandmother--
866
00:52:54,635 --> 00:52:57,237
I'm 45 years old.
[ Laughing ]
867
00:52:57,270 --> 00:53:02,208
You know? "We know
after 22 years that
you've been locked up in Angola.
868
00:53:02,242 --> 00:53:04,577
Could you tell us,
are you angry?"
869
00:53:04,611 --> 00:53:06,646
[ Laughing ]
870
00:53:06,679 --> 00:53:09,215
I mean, you know,
would you be angry?
871
00:53:09,249 --> 00:53:11,084
Yeah.
872
00:53:11,117 --> 00:53:14,654
I said,
"Anger stagnates
a person's growth."
873
00:53:14,687 --> 00:53:17,257
[ Woman ]
Yeah, all right!
[ Applauding ]
874
00:53:17,290 --> 00:53:22,828
I can't allow myself
to be angry.
[ Man ] All right.
875
00:53:22,861 --> 00:53:27,533
He said,
"Well, do you plan
to find employment?"
876
00:53:27,566 --> 00:53:29,802
I said, "Yeah.
Do you have any suggestions?"
877
00:53:29,836 --> 00:53:32,872
[ Laughing ]
878
00:53:35,808 --> 00:53:38,877
I worked for
four cents an hour in Angola.
879
00:53:38,911 --> 00:53:42,648
That's a great big
old plantation.
880
00:53:42,681 --> 00:53:47,052
You know.
So, if I can't come out here,
you know, and work,
881
00:53:47,085 --> 00:53:49,054
then that's sad.
882
00:53:49,087 --> 00:53:51,623
All right.
883
00:53:51,657 --> 00:53:53,258
All right. Thank y'all.
884
00:54:09,708 --> 00:54:12,244
[ Man ]
My father, highway patrolman--
885
00:54:12,277 --> 00:54:14,880
He used to
always tell us,
"Look,
886
00:54:14,913 --> 00:54:18,317
America has the best
justice system."
887
00:54:18,350 --> 00:54:20,585
He used to always
tell us that.
888
00:54:20,618 --> 00:54:23,154
When I got tried
and found guilty,
889
00:54:23,187 --> 00:54:27,692
my whole faith,
my whole belief
was shattered...
890
00:54:27,725 --> 00:54:29,694
about the justice system.
891
00:54:29,727 --> 00:54:33,364
Being trained as
a law enforcement officer,
892
00:54:33,397 --> 00:54:36,300
there are certain things
that you can't overlook.
893
00:54:38,736 --> 00:54:41,705
That's probably something that
I'm gonna have to live with...
894
00:54:41,738 --> 00:54:43,641
for the rest of my life, because
there was some doubt there.
895
00:54:43,674 --> 00:54:46,310
I-- I really did doubt Herman.
896
00:54:46,344 --> 00:54:49,080
But it was just based on
the training that I've gotten
over the years...
897
00:54:49,113 --> 00:54:51,182
to go with the evidence.
898
00:54:51,215 --> 00:54:54,752
And I should have gone
with the love for the child...
899
00:54:54,785 --> 00:54:57,888
rather than the evidence.
900
00:54:57,922 --> 00:55:00,991
To have somebody in the family
labeled as a rapist--
901
00:55:01,024 --> 00:55:03,660
not only are you
frowned upon,
902
00:55:03,693 --> 00:55:07,297
but it became a serious issue
where the matter was swept
under the rug.
903
00:55:09,766 --> 00:55:11,735
[ Elmer ]
I did not visit him in prison.
904
00:55:11,768 --> 00:55:17,140
I've always felt that
my job is to put people in jail,
not to visit folks in jail.
905
00:55:17,173 --> 00:55:18,908
And that's what
I told Herman.
906
00:55:20,444 --> 00:55:22,912
[ Herman ]
I'm gonna always
be a step behind.
907
00:55:22,946 --> 00:55:25,382
I shouldn't have
to be a step behind.
908
00:55:30,420 --> 00:55:34,124
[ Herman ] Thank you.
[ Man ] Thank you very much.
Have a great day, my friend.
909
00:55:34,157 --> 00:55:36,326
You happy, right?
Huh?
910
00:55:36,359 --> 00:55:39,229
You happy.
Yes. Most definitely.
Thank you, man.
911
00:55:39,262 --> 00:55:42,297
[ Chattering ]
912
00:55:47,269 --> 00:55:49,438
[ Herman ]
My grandmother--
913
00:55:49,471 --> 00:55:51,874
Her thing is, "Herman,
I know you didn't do it.
914
00:55:51,907 --> 00:55:54,276
The truth will come to light."
915
00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:59,416
She has this saying that,
"A lie dies,
but the truth lives on."
916
00:56:00,784 --> 00:56:04,053
She's a big advocate
for education.
917
00:56:04,086 --> 00:56:06,288
And for me
to obtain an education.
918
00:56:06,321 --> 00:56:09,324
"Congratulations.
Enjoy the gift...
919
00:56:09,358 --> 00:56:11,960
"before the next phase
in your life begins.
920
00:56:11,994 --> 00:56:16,098
"Whatever your endeavor,
I know you will succeed.
921
00:56:16,131 --> 00:56:20,169
"You are, and will remain,
an inspiration
to us all, Herman.
922
00:56:20,202 --> 00:56:24,872
All best. Justin Brooks
and the entire California
Innocent Project."
923
00:56:27,942 --> 00:56:30,411
I'm gonna be getting drunk
in a minute, huh, mom?
924
00:56:30,445 --> 00:56:32,513
Yep. It's all that
imported beer.
925
00:56:36,819 --> 00:56:39,421
[ Herman ]
When I was incarcerated,
my thought was,
926
00:56:39,455 --> 00:56:42,757
not only did I want
an education, but I want
a doctor's degree in psychology.
927
00:56:44,892 --> 00:56:47,028
After I was released,
and fightin' one battle,
928
00:56:47,061 --> 00:56:49,731
we immediately
went into another battle.
929
00:56:49,764 --> 00:56:54,836
My mother had cancer
and died about a year
after I was released.
930
00:56:54,869 --> 00:56:57,839
So she wasn't here
to see me reach this milestone.
931
00:56:57,872 --> 00:56:59,741
So, I'm gonna go
and let her know that...
932
00:56:59,774 --> 00:57:02,110
today is one of them days.
933
00:57:42,349 --> 00:57:44,316
There's not a time
that I don't go there...
934
00:57:44,350 --> 00:57:47,086
and-- and not
walk away in tears.
935
00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:50,357
Because every time
I do go there,
and what have you,
936
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:52,959
I-- I just feel like
I'm cheated out of life.
937
00:57:54,561 --> 00:57:59,866
When I look at Herman and see
what he has gone through,
938
00:57:59,900 --> 00:58:02,202
uh, it's just amazing to me.
939
00:58:02,235 --> 00:58:05,805
There's a lot
of strength there.
A lot of inner strength.
940
00:58:05,838 --> 00:58:09,141
[ Chattering ]
[ Band:
"Pomp and Circumstance" ]
941
00:58:13,445 --> 00:58:16,348
[ Man On P.A. ]
Herman Atkins.
942
00:58:16,382 --> 00:58:18,884
[ Cheering ]
943
00:58:21,086 --> 00:58:23,923
[ Man On P.A. ]
Football scholarship.
944
00:58:54,319 --> 00:58:57,856
[ Wilton ]
From my understanding,
it's an evidentiary hearing...
945
00:58:57,889 --> 00:59:00,024
for a new trial
and possible release,
946
00:59:00,058 --> 00:59:02,027
depending on what
the judge decides.
947
00:59:02,061 --> 00:59:04,563
I'm hoping that
he will dismiss the charges...
948
00:59:04,597 --> 00:59:06,531
and allow me
to go home finally.
949
00:59:10,568 --> 00:59:13,238
[ Man On Intercom, Indistinct ]
950
00:59:13,271 --> 00:59:15,006
[ Woman On Intercom,
Indistinct ]
951
00:59:20,545 --> 00:59:22,280
[ Man ]
Just have a seat.
Pull up a chair.
952
00:59:23,548 --> 00:59:27,184
Hey, how you doin'?
Hello. All right.
953
00:59:28,185 --> 00:59:30,354
Nice to see you.
954
00:59:30,387 --> 00:59:32,356
Well, how's everything going?
955
00:59:32,389 --> 00:59:35,125
Pretty good.
Yeah?
956
00:59:35,158 --> 00:59:39,197
You know, we've been talking
for a long time about, "It
could be now. It could be now."
957
00:59:39,230 --> 00:59:42,033
Um, I think the judge
is ready to do the right thing.
958
00:59:42,066 --> 00:59:44,035
I think he needs
to hear from the scientist.
959
00:59:44,068 --> 00:59:46,604
He may find himself
a little confused
by the numbers tomorrow...
960
00:59:46,638 --> 00:59:48,605
and need some time
to think it over.
961
00:59:48,639 --> 00:59:51,675
But we're feeling good.
And so, you know,
it could be tomorrow.
962
00:59:51,708 --> 00:59:56,380
It could be next week.
I wish I had a crystal ball
and could tell you.
963
00:59:56,413 --> 00:59:59,349
I can't imagine
what it must feel like
at this point.
964
00:59:59,383 --> 01:00:01,919
Kind of stuck.
I'm not sure on this--
965
01:00:01,952 --> 01:00:04,121
Yeah.
966
01:00:04,154 --> 01:00:06,323
Have you talked to your folks?
Were you able to
call them from here?
967
01:00:06,356 --> 01:00:09,325
Yes, ma'am.
Talked to 'em last night.
Good.
968
01:00:09,358 --> 01:00:11,994
They already said they won't
let you wear street clothes.
But we'll bring 'em...
969
01:00:12,028 --> 01:00:14,163
just in case
we need 'em later.
Okay.
970
01:00:14,196 --> 01:00:16,266
Otherwise, I'll see you
tomorrow afternoon.
Okay.
971
01:00:16,300 --> 01:00:19,069
Okay? All right.
Try to get some rest.
972
01:00:19,102 --> 01:00:20,671
Yeah. I'll try.
Yeah, it's
a little loud here, huh?
973
01:00:20,704 --> 01:00:23,607
[ Door Buzzes ]
974
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,243
See you back here tomorrow.
Okay. See you tomorrow.
975
01:00:26,276 --> 01:00:28,744
Good luck.
976
01:00:30,479 --> 01:00:33,015
Hello. How are you?
How are you?
977
01:00:33,049 --> 01:00:36,619
Good, thanks.
Good to see ya.
978
01:00:36,652 --> 01:00:39,155
Yeah.
Hello. How are you?
979
01:00:41,023 --> 01:00:44,026
[ Nina ]
I did. I did.
It was getting a little late.
980
01:00:44,060 --> 01:00:47,563
[ Mary ] See, this is bigger
than what you can even buy
in the grocery store.
981
01:00:47,596 --> 01:00:51,266
And that little one right there
ended up having
three tops to it.
982
01:00:51,299 --> 01:00:53,336
First time I ever had
one of those to happen.
Really?
983
01:00:53,369 --> 01:00:55,338
[ Nina ]
Some kind of
mutant DNA in there.
984
01:00:55,371 --> 01:00:58,541
[ Laughing ]
Maybe we'll take
the pineapple to court.
985
01:00:58,574 --> 01:01:03,746
"Judge, those statistics
are as reliable as
this three-topped pineapple."
986
01:01:05,548 --> 01:01:08,017
How are you guys doin'?
987
01:01:08,050 --> 01:01:10,085
I'm, like--
kind of like Wilton.
I'm not tryin' to--
988
01:01:10,118 --> 01:01:13,688
Tryin' not to build up too high.
Yeah.
Well, that's probably smart.
989
01:01:13,722 --> 01:01:16,591
You guys have been through
so much. And, you know,
you've waited so long.
990
01:01:16,624 --> 01:01:18,593
You know, and you've had
your hopes up.
991
01:01:18,626 --> 01:01:20,562
When you first got
the results back, I'm sure--
992
01:01:20,595 --> 01:01:23,231
[ Mary ]
We thought
it was gonna be quick.
993
01:01:23,264 --> 01:01:25,700
Most prosecutors are inclined
to do the right thing,
994
01:01:25,734 --> 01:01:28,570
and, at least give the guy
a new trial, because they know
the evidence is so different.
995
01:01:28,603 --> 01:01:31,272
I wish I could say
what was going on
in their heads now.
996
01:01:31,306 --> 01:01:35,410
For a prosecutor to say, though,
that eyewitness is better
than DNA,
997
01:01:35,443 --> 01:01:37,512
I-- I don't understand it.
Yeah.
998
01:01:37,545 --> 01:01:39,581
- And that was one
of his statements.
- Twenty-two years ago...
999
01:01:39,614 --> 01:01:42,217
there was no way
to measure that.
1000
01:01:42,250 --> 01:01:44,686
You know, there's a new study
that just came out...
1001
01:01:44,719 --> 01:01:47,622
of all the people who've been
exonerated in the U.S.
over the last 15 years.
1002
01:01:47,655 --> 01:01:51,258
And they found that
eyewitness misidentification...
1003
01:01:51,291 --> 01:01:54,094
was the single
leading cause of all
of the wrongful convictions.
1004
01:01:54,128 --> 01:01:57,798
And in rape cases,
88% of them
involve mistaken I.D.
1005
01:01:57,831 --> 01:02:01,802
We've got a place for Wilton
when he gets here.
1006
01:02:01,835 --> 01:02:04,204
If he needs to make changes,
we'll make changes,
1007
01:02:04,238 --> 01:02:09,144
or try to fix it up
so he can be here
as long as he needs to.
1008
01:02:12,346 --> 01:02:14,848
But we're ready
for our boy to come home.
1009
01:02:22,156 --> 01:02:24,691
How are ya?
1010
01:02:24,725 --> 01:02:26,760
[ Vincent ]
Things can never be the same.
1011
01:02:26,794 --> 01:02:29,196
The state must
give something back.
1012
01:02:29,229 --> 01:02:31,532
My mom-- all she thinks of is,
"Thank God that you're home.
1013
01:02:31,565 --> 01:02:33,766
Thank God that you're home."
1014
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,402
I don't have anything
to offer my family but love.
1015
01:02:37,870 --> 01:02:41,507
I said to them, "My son
couldn't have done this...
1016
01:02:41,541 --> 01:02:45,512
"because he was sitting down
with us watching television
that evening.
1017
01:02:45,546 --> 01:02:48,315
So it's no way possible."
1018
01:02:48,348 --> 01:02:52,252
They say parents say anything
for their children.
1019
01:02:52,286 --> 01:02:54,587
And I'm just praying...
1020
01:02:54,620 --> 01:02:59,492
that there will be something
that's able to be done.
1021
01:02:59,525 --> 01:03:04,464
If we can't get compensated,
my God, it'll help someone else.
1022
01:03:04,497 --> 01:03:08,101
And thank God for that.
Thank you very much.
1023
01:03:08,134 --> 01:03:10,570
[ Vincent ]
I tried to get
a compensation bill...
1024
01:03:10,603 --> 01:03:12,705
for people who are
wrongfully incarcerated.
1025
01:03:12,738 --> 01:03:15,140
Nothing's never happened yet.
1026
01:03:15,173 --> 01:03:17,542
I mean, I've been
doing this for years and years.
1027
01:03:17,576 --> 01:03:21,214
How long have you been home?
I've been home
going on seven years now.
1028
01:03:21,247 --> 01:03:24,650
The jobs I get--
[ Scoffs ]
Temporary work.
1029
01:03:24,684 --> 01:03:27,487
It's hard trying
to support my children...
1030
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,690
on a little basic job,
or what public assistance
gives me.
1031
01:03:30,723 --> 01:03:35,327
My mom and dad spent
over $150,000 on lawyer fees.
1032
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,329
That was their retirement money.
1033
01:03:37,362 --> 01:03:40,465
Now they struggle
and got to work again at 68.
1034
01:03:40,499 --> 01:03:43,702
They should be retiring in
the Bahamas somewhere, relaxing,
1035
01:03:43,735 --> 01:03:45,770
all them years they worked
all their life.
1036
01:03:45,804 --> 01:03:49,241
No, they're struggling,
trying to pay bills,
and do this and do that.
1037
01:03:49,274 --> 01:03:52,444
Me? I can't help 'em.
I ain't able to help myself.
1038
01:03:52,477 --> 01:03:55,779
Their struggling,
but you're their son.
Right.
1039
01:03:55,813 --> 01:03:58,850
And if your son was
in the situation,
you would struggle to help him.
1040
01:03:58,884 --> 01:04:02,320
How do I feel
when you got a history
of parents being there...
1041
01:04:02,354 --> 01:04:04,322
for me and my brothers
and sisters,
1042
01:04:04,356 --> 01:04:07,325
but I can't even be there
for my own children?
1043
01:04:07,359 --> 01:04:09,794
I'm not really
coming down on myself,
1044
01:04:09,828 --> 01:04:13,765
but it leads to that depression,
because I don't want to
come down on nobody else.
1045
01:04:13,798 --> 01:04:18,536
[ Piano: Soft ]
[ Man Humming ]
1046
01:04:28,679 --> 01:04:30,748
The verse starts here.
1047
01:04:36,387 --> 01:04:38,956
[ Vincent ]
It was music that I think
kept part of my sanity...
1048
01:04:38,989 --> 01:04:41,358
while I was incarcerated,
1049
01:04:41,392 --> 01:04:44,828
because it soothes my soul,
it keeps me calm,
1050
01:04:44,862 --> 01:04:47,831
keeps me focused,
relaxes me--
1051
01:04:47,865 --> 01:04:50,701
it takes me to another world,
puts me in another place.
1052
01:04:51,869 --> 01:04:53,871
[ Continues ]
1053
01:05:14,592 --> 01:05:17,994
[ Man ] He was
wrongfully incarcerated...
1054
01:05:18,027 --> 01:05:20,263
for about 10 years.
[ Congregation Murmurs ]
1055
01:05:20,296 --> 01:05:24,400
And we thank God
that the Lord seen fit...
1056
01:05:24,434 --> 01:05:27,270
to make a way
to release him.
1057
01:05:27,303 --> 01:05:29,372
[ Man ]
Oh, yeah.
[ Man #2 ] Amen.
1058
01:05:31,541 --> 01:05:33,977
[ Man On P.A. ]
Now, that's something
to thank God about.
1059
01:05:42,384 --> 01:05:45,887
You know, sometimes
when you're in a position
like he was in,
1060
01:05:45,921 --> 01:05:49,492
sometimes it's hard
for people to accept you.
[ Man ] Oh, yes. Yes.
1061
01:05:49,525 --> 01:05:52,695
Sometimes it's hard
to even get employment.
1062
01:05:52,729 --> 01:05:54,664
[ Congregants Affirm ]
1063
01:05:54,697 --> 01:05:57,366
So, we want to pray for him,
[ Congregants Affirm ]
1064
01:05:57,399 --> 01:05:59,568
and that the Lord
will open doors for him.
1065
01:06:01,603 --> 01:06:05,841
That he will move forward
in the name of the Lord. Amen.
1066
01:06:05,874 --> 01:06:08,710
Back to me right now
1067
01:06:08,744 --> 01:06:10,712
Oh, right now
1068
01:06:10,746 --> 01:06:12,714
I thank the Lord
1069
01:06:12,748 --> 01:06:14,716
Yes, that's His name
1070
01:06:14,750 --> 01:06:17,985
Right now
Oh, right now
1071
01:06:18,019 --> 01:06:21,389
[ Continues, Indistinct ]
1072
01:06:30,599 --> 01:06:32,567
[ Donat ]
Yep. Okay.
1073
01:06:32,601 --> 01:06:34,336
Yeah. Bye.
Bye.
1074
01:06:51,986 --> 01:06:55,056
[ Dennis ]
I'm a P.M. mechanic-- that's for
"preventive maintenance."
1075
01:06:55,089 --> 01:06:58,559
I work from 10:00 at night
till 6:30 in the morning.
1076
01:07:03,397 --> 01:07:05,366
The day he came in here,
he told me what happened.
1077
01:07:05,399 --> 01:07:07,468
I told him I didn't care
what happened to him...
1078
01:07:07,501 --> 01:07:09,036
as long as you can fix trucks,
'cause that's what we do here.
1079
01:07:10,871 --> 01:07:13,374
He's actually a good worker.
He's from the old school.
1080
01:07:13,407 --> 01:07:15,376
There are not too many guys
like that left anymore.
1081
01:07:15,409 --> 01:07:18,879
It's amazing how quick
he's picked up,
because with the computers--
1082
01:07:18,913 --> 01:07:21,348
and he's kind of
back from the old-school days...
1083
01:07:21,381 --> 01:07:23,350
when it's all carburetors
and manual pumps and stuff.
1084
01:07:23,383 --> 01:07:25,352
He's pickin' right up on it.
1085
01:07:25,385 --> 01:07:27,454
And I'm really surprised
he's not so sour.
1086
01:07:27,487 --> 01:07:29,522
Knowing what happened to him,
I'd be pretty sour.
1087
01:07:29,556 --> 01:07:31,091
He's got a good attitude.
1088
01:07:40,734 --> 01:07:45,505
[ Dennis ] Other exonerees hold
onto the anger and bitterness
about what happened to 'em.
1089
01:07:45,538 --> 01:07:47,941
I got lucky in that
I was able to do therapy...
1090
01:07:47,974 --> 01:07:50,143
and deal with it that way.
1091
01:07:50,176 --> 01:07:53,012
I don't blame the victims
or anything like that.
1092
01:07:53,046 --> 01:07:55,982
I put the blame
where I think the blame belongs,
1093
01:07:56,015 --> 01:07:57,984
and that's with the police.
1094
01:07:58,017 --> 01:08:01,854
I look at it as,
if I'm angry and bitter
towards everybody,
1095
01:08:01,887 --> 01:08:04,656
then I won't be
a productive person in life,
1096
01:08:04,690 --> 01:08:08,594
and then I won't get
the things that I want
or the things that I can get.
1097
01:08:08,627 --> 01:08:10,162
So--
1098
01:08:11,897 --> 01:08:13,632
Sure, I still have my days.
1099
01:08:18,204 --> 01:08:22,608
Get married and have children--
pretty much my hope
for the future.
1100
01:08:22,641 --> 01:08:25,577
Buy a house.
You know, settle down.
1101
01:08:25,611 --> 01:08:27,579
Get back to society.
1102
01:08:27,613 --> 01:08:30,416
Now most women
are afraid of me.
1103
01:08:30,449 --> 01:08:32,985
You know, I explain to them
I've been exonerated.
1104
01:08:33,018 --> 01:08:34,753
And they get all freaked out.
1105
01:08:36,555 --> 01:08:39,892
This is, uh, match.com.
This is Yahoo! Personals.
1106
01:08:39,925 --> 01:08:41,793
And this is Cupid Junction.
1107
01:08:41,826 --> 01:08:45,530
Under dating services,
my name's "DNA Dennis."
1108
01:08:45,563 --> 01:08:48,766
You know, I'm number 127.
1109
01:09:03,781 --> 01:09:05,883
[ Man ]
Here-- Here, here.
[ Man #2 ] What?
1110
01:09:05,917 --> 01:09:08,886
This is new evidence.
It's exculpatory evidence.
1111
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:11,222
Wilton Dedge is entitled
to a new trial.
[ Nina ] Right.
1112
01:09:11,255 --> 01:09:15,193
I don't care what they do.
They want to try to argue
some esoteric thing from Venus--
1113
01:09:15,226 --> 01:09:17,528
Get it in front of the jury
with a new and fairer trial...
1114
01:09:17,562 --> 01:09:19,530
where we can present
this evidence
and then see what they say.
1115
01:09:19,564 --> 01:09:21,532
That's the bottom line.
1116
01:09:21,566 --> 01:09:23,533
They pounded
on the hair at trial.
1117
01:09:23,567 --> 01:09:26,536
We now know
the hair is not his.
All go home.
1118
01:09:26,570 --> 01:09:29,005
End of discussion.
There is no other issue.
1119
01:09:29,039 --> 01:09:31,876
It is only a commentary
on the State of Florida...
1120
01:09:31,909 --> 01:09:33,978
that you have to assemble
this much talent in the room...
1121
01:09:34,011 --> 01:09:36,581
in order to get
one guy out of jail
that should have been released--
1122
01:09:36,614 --> 01:09:38,649
Three years ago.
More than three years ago.
1123
01:09:45,956 --> 01:09:47,991
[ No Audible Dialogue ]
1124
01:09:55,732 --> 01:09:59,135
[ No Audible Dialogue ]
1125
01:10:01,972 --> 01:10:05,674
Presence of the defendant.
We are all here
on this matter.
1126
01:10:05,708 --> 01:10:07,710
The State of Florida
v. Wilton Dedge.
1127
01:10:07,743 --> 01:10:10,847
[ Nina ]
We are here today, Your Honor,
to close the circle...
1128
01:10:10,881 --> 01:10:13,750
in what we hope
will be the final chapter...
1129
01:10:13,783 --> 01:10:16,720
in Wilton Dedge's
22-year-long ordeal.
1130
01:10:16,753 --> 01:10:19,623
When Mr. Dedge was first tried,
the prosecutor told the jury...
1131
01:10:19,656 --> 01:10:21,525
that the hair found
on the victim's bedsheet...
1132
01:10:21,558 --> 01:10:24,094
was identical to Wilton Dedge.
1133
01:10:24,126 --> 01:10:26,729
Three years ago,
we got the results stating...
1134
01:10:26,762 --> 01:10:29,298
that the two pubic hairs
found in that bedsheet...
1135
01:10:29,331 --> 01:10:32,201
did not come from Wilton Dedge
to a scientific certainty.
1136
01:10:32,234 --> 01:10:35,738
We intend to show
that the DNA evidence
you're gonna receive...
1137
01:10:35,771 --> 01:10:38,274
is not only admissible,
but that his acquittal...
1138
01:10:38,307 --> 01:10:41,143
would be a virtual certainty.
1139
01:10:41,176 --> 01:10:45,548
[ White ]
Is a hair actually
proof of innocence?
1140
01:10:45,581 --> 01:10:49,218
The problem is,
that hair does not
have to be from the perpetrator.
1141
01:10:49,251 --> 01:10:53,889
The semen that was left does.
1142
01:10:53,923 --> 01:10:57,826
The two pubic hairs came from
two different people, and could
not have come from Wilton Dedge.
1143
01:10:57,860 --> 01:11:01,163
- Is that correct?
- That's correct.
1144
01:11:01,196 --> 01:11:04,099
Now, your lab,
as I understand it,
1145
01:11:04,133 --> 01:11:06,668
is working with
some cutting edge DNA.
1146
01:11:06,701 --> 01:11:10,104
You now have a test
that could be used
on the "Y" chromosome...
1147
01:11:10,138 --> 01:11:13,107
to either include
or exclude Wilton Dedge...
1148
01:11:13,141 --> 01:11:17,211
as the contributor
of the sperm cell fraction--
1149
01:11:17,245 --> 01:11:20,315
[ Expert ] Yes.
The State's belief is
that we need to back up,
1150
01:11:20,348 --> 01:11:24,853
and the court direct
that this evidence be tested.
1151
01:11:24,887 --> 01:11:27,021
[ Scheck ]
Would anything that you do
with the Y-DNA--
1152
01:11:27,055 --> 01:11:29,257
would that change
your conclusions about the hair?
1153
01:11:29,290 --> 01:11:31,659
[ Expert ]
No. Hair evidence is definite.
1154
01:11:31,693 --> 01:11:34,996
Those two hairs
are not from Mr. Dedge.
1155
01:11:35,029 --> 01:11:38,800
Frankly, it was
that simple then,
and it's that simple now.
1156
01:11:38,833 --> 01:11:41,836
If it was his hair, he's guilty.
If it's not his hair,
1157
01:11:41,869 --> 01:11:46,074
no jury would convict him
beyond a reasonable doubt.
1158
01:11:46,107 --> 01:11:49,042
[ White ] They got a hair
that could have come
from God knows where.
1159
01:11:49,076 --> 01:11:52,045
And it's not Wilton Dedge's.
1160
01:11:52,079 --> 01:11:55,048
And we oughta just say,
"Let that man walk."
1161
01:11:55,082 --> 01:11:59,921
Let the citizens
of Brevard County find out
if he really is a rapist.
1162
01:11:59,954 --> 01:12:02,790
Let's find out the hard way
is what she tells you.
1163
01:12:02,824 --> 01:12:05,393
There deserves
to be some finality...
1164
01:12:05,426 --> 01:12:08,095
for victims,
for the community.
1165
01:12:08,128 --> 01:12:11,231
But these people
don't have to be fair.
They aren't fair.
1166
01:12:11,264 --> 01:12:14,368
They don't want to be fair.
This is Project Innocence.
1167
01:12:16,803 --> 01:12:20,407
After all of this to-do
about whether or not...
1168
01:12:20,440 --> 01:12:22,976
the State of Florida had
the courage to allow a man...
1169
01:12:23,010 --> 01:12:25,112
to try to prove his innocence.
1170
01:12:25,145 --> 01:12:28,848
When they fought
for three years to keep
from having this hearing,
1171
01:12:28,881 --> 01:12:32,818
and fought to not let
the evidence be looked at.
1172
01:12:32,852 --> 01:12:34,687
This is not supposed
to be another trial.
1173
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:37,257
This is supposed to be
about whether or not...
1174
01:12:37,290 --> 01:12:39,092
we have submitted evidence
to Your Honor...
1175
01:12:39,126 --> 01:12:41,361
that Mr. Dedge...
1176
01:12:41,395 --> 01:12:45,298
would in all probability
have been acquitted.
1177
01:12:47,334 --> 01:12:49,735
[ Judge ]
Because it is such
a serious case,
1178
01:12:49,769 --> 01:12:54,073
has such serious
implications for everyone--
1179
01:12:54,106 --> 01:12:57,877
I feel like I've been
thrown a curveball on this.
1180
01:12:57,910 --> 01:13:00,713
I'm gonna have
to take some time with it and--
1181
01:13:00,746 --> 01:13:03,182
and I have to be comfortable
with the level
of satisfaction...
1182
01:13:03,215 --> 01:13:06,118
in regard to all other aspects
of this case,
1183
01:13:06,152 --> 01:13:10,021
but for the Y-DNA.
1184
01:13:10,055 --> 01:13:13,091
So, we're gonna be in recess
on this regard...
1185
01:13:13,124 --> 01:13:16,462
and, of course,
we're gonna consider that issue.
1186
01:13:19,965 --> 01:13:21,967
Yes, Your Honor.
Thank you.
1187
01:13:24,236 --> 01:13:26,439
[ No Audible Dialogue ]
1188
01:13:42,387 --> 01:13:44,956
We're supposed to be
about ethics.
1189
01:13:44,989 --> 01:13:48,860
There's supposed to be
something called legal ethics.
1190
01:13:48,893 --> 01:13:51,496
I-I-I-I'm just--
I'm horrified by this.
1191
01:13:53,331 --> 01:13:57,135
Wilton Dedge was, uh,
very, very small,
1192
01:13:57,168 --> 01:14:00,305
and the perpetrator
was described as being
very, very big.
1193
01:14:00,338 --> 01:14:04,109
So this was an extremely weak
eyewitness identification case.
1194
01:14:04,142 --> 01:14:07,345
And 78% of the time
in our DNA exonerations,
1195
01:14:07,378 --> 01:14:09,881
it's been a mistaken
eyewitness identification.
1196
01:14:09,914 --> 01:14:12,015
The single greatest cause
of the conviction
of the innocent.
1197
01:14:17,921 --> 01:14:21,058
[ Woman ]
Around 3:00 in the morning,
I heard a noise.
1198
01:14:21,091 --> 01:14:23,293
A man jumped on my bed,
put a knife to my throat...
1199
01:14:23,327 --> 01:14:25,829
and covered my mouth
as I screamed.
1200
01:14:25,863 --> 01:14:30,034
It was at that moment that
I knew he was gonna rape me.
1201
01:14:30,068 --> 01:14:33,170
The next thing I knew,
1202
01:14:33,203 --> 01:14:35,239
there were
police officers there.
1203
01:14:35,272 --> 01:14:37,307
They said,
"Did you think you got
a good look at him?
1204
01:14:37,341 --> 01:14:39,309
"Do you think
you could recognize him?
1205
01:14:39,343 --> 01:14:43,013
Do you think you can give us
a good description
of the man who raped you?"
1206
01:14:43,046 --> 01:14:45,382
And I said, "Yes, I do.
I looked in his face.
1207
01:14:45,415 --> 01:14:48,886
Yeah, I can identify
this man."
1208
01:14:48,919 --> 01:14:51,454
So I sat down,
and I began to piece together...
1209
01:14:51,487 --> 01:14:53,956
what my rapist looked like.
1210
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:55,958
And it went
into the newspapers.
1211
01:14:55,992 --> 01:14:58,161
And sure enough,
we had a phone call...
1212
01:14:58,194 --> 01:15:02,832
from a woman who said
the composite sketch
looks so much like a man,
1213
01:15:02,865 --> 01:15:05,068
and his name
happens to be Ronald Cotton.
1214
01:15:05,102 --> 01:15:08,138
Ronald Cotton was found guilty
of first-degree rape,
1215
01:15:08,172 --> 01:15:10,140
first-degree sexual offense,
1216
01:15:10,174 --> 01:15:12,542
and sentenced
to life in prison.
1217
01:15:14,911 --> 01:15:17,346
June of '95,
I get a phone call.
1218
01:15:17,380 --> 01:15:20,149
And they said,
"Jennifer, you were wrong.
1219
01:15:21,617 --> 01:15:24,520
Ronald Cotton was not
your rapist."
1220
01:15:28,391 --> 01:15:31,394
And there's the picture
of Bobby Poole, my rapist,
1221
01:15:31,427 --> 01:15:34,830
and Ronald Cotton.
1222
01:15:34,863 --> 01:15:37,899
Ronald's face had become
so ingrained in my memory...
1223
01:15:37,933 --> 01:15:40,902
that I didn't even
recognize Bobby Poole.
1224
01:15:53,148 --> 01:15:55,116
Y'all didn't get lost,
did ya?
1225
01:15:55,150 --> 01:15:57,586
No. But I thought,
"I've passed it.
I know I passed it."
1226
01:15:57,619 --> 01:15:59,955
No, you didn't though.
I know you didn't.
1227
01:15:59,988 --> 01:16:01,990
Good seeing you.
Good to see you.
1228
01:16:02,023 --> 01:16:04,192
It's been forever.
It's been a long time.
It has.
1229
01:16:04,226 --> 01:16:06,228
I was trying to remember
when the last time
you and I saw each other.
1230
01:16:06,261 --> 01:16:09,431
But I thought
I'd obviously seen you
the night of my rape.
1231
01:16:09,464 --> 01:16:12,500
It was the physical lineup.
I can remember standing there,
looking at you, goin',
1232
01:16:12,534 --> 01:16:14,935
"Oh, God."
1233
01:16:14,969 --> 01:16:17,271
Of course not knowing
how you were feeling.
1234
01:16:17,304 --> 01:16:19,875
You were probably
feeling the same way.
1235
01:16:19,908 --> 01:16:22,077
Yeah, it just tore me all up.
1236
01:16:22,110 --> 01:16:24,279
You know, I said,
"Why are they doing this to me?"
Right.
1237
01:16:24,312 --> 01:16:26,348
You know, "What did I do
to deserve something like this?"
Right.
1238
01:16:26,381 --> 01:16:28,583
That's what I'm asking myself.
1239
01:16:28,617 --> 01:16:31,620
I had already saw
the drawing of the suspect.
I said, "That's not me."
1240
01:16:31,653 --> 01:16:34,655
The guy's ears
stuck out at the top.
Mm-hmm.
1241
01:16:34,688 --> 01:16:37,491
You were the closest likeness
of the drawing.
1242
01:16:37,524 --> 01:16:40,327
You had become my rapist.
1243
01:16:41,962 --> 01:16:44,064
I just couldn't believe it,
you know?
1244
01:16:44,098 --> 01:16:46,133
Tilt my head,
looked around the court,
1245
01:16:46,166 --> 01:16:48,669
looked at all
the jurors and--
1246
01:16:51,272 --> 01:16:53,641
So, I decided
to write my letter...
1247
01:16:53,674 --> 01:16:56,410
requesting to have
a DNA done.
1248
01:16:56,443 --> 01:16:59,213
They found out that
the evidence had been saved.
1249
01:16:59,246 --> 01:17:03,117
It could have been easily,
you know, destroyed.
1250
01:17:03,150 --> 01:17:07,054
So, I knew that
I needed to somehow apologize,
1251
01:17:07,087 --> 01:17:10,224
but I didn't know, of course,
what you were gonna say to me.
Right.
1252
01:17:10,257 --> 01:17:13,427
It took you, like,
two seconds.
Two--
1253
01:17:13,460 --> 01:17:15,528
Two seconds to forgive me.
I had debated
over that issue...
1254
01:17:15,561 --> 01:17:17,530
while I was incarcerated.
1255
01:17:17,563 --> 01:17:20,400
I thought about you.
1256
01:17:20,433 --> 01:17:23,303
I know I can't
make up for lost time.
I wouldn't even attempt to.
1257
01:17:23,336 --> 01:17:26,673
You know, I just have
to live, forgive
and keep moving on.
1258
01:17:28,474 --> 01:17:31,277
To say we're friends,
it's just-- it's not enough.
1259
01:17:31,311 --> 01:17:36,215
Ronald and I have
a relationship
that is so unique.
1260
01:17:36,249 --> 01:17:38,584
Change one person's life
and you've changed the world.
1261
01:17:38,618 --> 01:17:42,021
So, when you walk out of here...
1262
01:17:42,055 --> 01:17:43,156
when you graduate,
1263
01:17:43,189 --> 01:17:45,224
change the world.
1264
01:17:45,258 --> 01:17:46,993
Don't be afraid
to change it.
1265
01:18:00,472 --> 01:18:02,240
[ Man ]
How you doin', Governor?
Aaron, how are you?
1266
01:18:02,274 --> 01:18:04,242
How you doin'?
Good to see you.
All right.
1267
01:18:04,276 --> 01:18:06,244
How you been?
Hangin' in there, man.
1268
01:18:06,278 --> 01:18:09,281
I'm loaded up here.
I see that.
What do you got in here?
1269
01:18:09,314 --> 01:18:11,617
Good to see you.
My little girl.
Just had her on the 29th.
1270
01:18:11,651 --> 01:18:14,420
- Got a real one in there.
- Yeah, I ain't waste no time.
1271
01:18:14,454 --> 01:18:17,155
[ Ryan ]
Aaron Patterson was one of
four men that I had pardoned...
1272
01:18:17,189 --> 01:18:19,992
that had been tortured
to confess for crimes
they didn't commit,
1273
01:18:20,025 --> 01:18:22,227
and had been sentenced
to death row.
1274
01:18:22,260 --> 01:18:24,229
So, what are you doing
with all your time?
1275
01:18:24,262 --> 01:18:27,599
Tryin' to get guys jobs,
just come out of
the penitentiary.
1276
01:18:27,632 --> 01:18:30,469
What do they do with a guy
when they turn him loose?
Nothin'.
1277
01:18:30,502 --> 01:18:33,372
They give him a bus ticket.
They take him
to the bus station.
1278
01:18:33,405 --> 01:18:36,141
They make sure
they get on the bus,
or get on the train.
1279
01:18:36,174 --> 01:18:39,710
And then they--
That's it.
1280
01:18:39,744 --> 01:18:44,482
[ Ryan ] I believed that
the death penalty was an
important part of the system...
1281
01:18:44,515 --> 01:18:49,421
till I became governor
and found out how faulted
and flawed it was.
1282
01:18:49,454 --> 01:18:53,625
I was concerned
that I may have
to look over my shoulder...
1283
01:18:53,658 --> 01:18:59,196
after I left office to find
that an innocent person
had been executed,
1284
01:18:59,230 --> 01:19:01,665
and I had an opportunity
to do something about it
and hadn't.
1285
01:19:01,699 --> 01:19:03,667
And I didn't want
to live with that.
1286
01:19:03,701 --> 01:19:06,704
Our capital system is haunted
by the demon of error.
1287
01:19:06,737 --> 01:19:10,207
Error in determining guilt.
1288
01:19:10,241 --> 01:19:14,712
Error in determining
who among the guilty
deserves to die.
1289
01:19:14,745 --> 01:19:17,648
Because of all
of these reasons today,
1290
01:19:17,681 --> 01:19:20,784
I'm commuting the sentence
of all death-row inmates...
[ Cheering ]
1291
01:19:20,817 --> 01:19:23,753
to life without
the possibility of parole.
1292
01:19:27,391 --> 01:19:30,694
The United States is
the only democracy
on this planet...
1293
01:19:30,728 --> 01:19:33,364
that executes its prisoners.
1294
01:19:33,397 --> 01:19:38,369
When we talk about human rights
and civil rights and liberties
for people,
1295
01:19:38,402 --> 01:19:42,672
we should lead the way
in those kinds of attempts...
1296
01:19:42,705 --> 01:19:48,378
instead of leading the way
in the administration
of the death penalty.
1297
01:19:48,411 --> 01:19:51,081
He made it possible
for me to have a life, you know.
1298
01:19:51,114 --> 01:19:53,516
He took matters
in his own hands,
1299
01:19:53,550 --> 01:19:56,619
and that was a blessing,
for me as well as this city,
1300
01:19:56,653 --> 01:19:59,421
this state,
and the world.
1301
01:19:59,455 --> 01:20:04,227
You know, it inspires others
to take that bold step
to do these things.
1302
01:20:04,260 --> 01:20:07,330
When you see an injustice,
you must step up
and do something about it.
1303
01:20:07,363 --> 01:20:08,832
And that's what we're trying
to do out here now.
1304
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:19,875
[ Microphone Feeding Back ]
1305
01:20:19,908 --> 01:20:23,812
[ Nick ]
Good afternoon. My name
is Nicholas James Yarris.
1306
01:20:23,846 --> 01:20:28,150
I spent 23 years
on death row for a murder
I didn't commit.
1307
01:20:28,183 --> 01:20:31,753
I spent every single day of that
in solitary confinement.
1308
01:20:31,787 --> 01:20:36,425
I was released in January
of this year after DNA
evidence proved me innocent.
1309
01:20:36,458 --> 01:20:39,462
I come out here every week
and hand out flyers,
1310
01:20:39,496 --> 01:20:41,763
hoping to get the Delaware
County District Attorney...
1311
01:20:41,797 --> 01:20:46,668
to enter the DNA
from a murderer
into the FBI's data bank.
1312
01:20:46,702 --> 01:20:49,404
Why is this case not solved?
1313
01:20:49,438 --> 01:20:53,242
All I want is the DNA
from my murder case...
1314
01:20:53,275 --> 01:20:55,377
entered into
the DNA data bank.
1315
01:20:55,410 --> 01:20:57,713
The day that they catch
the actual killer...
1316
01:20:57,746 --> 01:21:00,549
I can go on about my life.
1317
01:21:00,582 --> 01:21:05,286
All of the men
who were exonerated by DNA
on death row,
1318
01:21:05,319 --> 01:21:07,522
the DNA is not
in the data bank.
1319
01:21:07,555 --> 01:21:11,292
Delaware County is just
denying that they were wrong.
1320
01:21:11,325 --> 01:21:13,761
They tried to murder me.
So what?
1321
01:21:13,794 --> 01:21:15,597
It's over with.
I'm getting on with my life.
1322
01:21:15,631 --> 01:21:17,933
I apologize.
I hope you enjoy your lunch.
1323
01:21:23,471 --> 01:21:25,540
Thanks.
1324
01:21:25,573 --> 01:21:27,742
Thanks.
Thanks.
1325
01:21:27,775 --> 01:21:30,378
He's a good man.
Thank you, brother.
1326
01:21:30,411 --> 01:21:31,946
Innocent too.
1327
01:21:35,583 --> 01:21:38,486
And you can quote me.
1328
01:21:38,519 --> 01:21:41,722
And the D.A. should be--
1329
01:21:41,756 --> 01:21:44,457
The whole thing should be
brought out in the open,
like he's trying to do.
1330
01:21:44,491 --> 01:21:46,426
He's right.
1331
01:21:54,969 --> 01:21:59,240
[ Scott ] I still feel like
everybody needs to hear about
wrongful imprisonment,
1332
01:21:59,273 --> 01:22:02,742
because everyone's
a potential juror.
1333
01:22:02,776 --> 01:22:06,246
When I first got out,
I sent out brochures
to police academies,
1334
01:22:06,279 --> 01:22:08,648
but I don't think
they really want
their recruits hearing...
1335
01:22:08,682 --> 01:22:10,817
that they might
be arresting somebody innocent.
1336
01:22:12,385 --> 01:22:14,888
The judicial system
is its own little world,
1337
01:22:14,921 --> 01:22:17,524
and people don't
want to change it.
1338
01:22:17,557 --> 01:22:20,760
People are afraid of change.
They're afraid
of accountability.
1339
01:22:33,006 --> 01:22:35,976
[ Woman ]
One thing I found when
I went through the letters--
1340
01:22:36,009 --> 01:22:38,478
Basic problem is
too much power concentrated...
1341
01:22:38,511 --> 01:22:41,781
in the hands of prison staff
with no accountability.
1342
01:22:41,815 --> 01:22:44,483
You're only seeing a portion
of the letters that
were mailed to you.
1343
01:22:44,516 --> 01:22:46,619
According to some of these guys,
the mail room officers...
1344
01:22:46,652 --> 01:22:50,489
were shredding quite a few
of the letters before
they ever went out the door.
1345
01:22:50,522 --> 01:22:53,392
[ Man ] Is that a fact?
That's what they're alleging.
1346
01:22:53,425 --> 01:22:55,794
We are running
into some barriers.
1347
01:22:55,828 --> 01:22:58,430
I'm hoping--
and I think that we're
gonna be working towards...
1348
01:22:58,464 --> 01:23:00,799
breaking down
some of those barriers.
1349
01:23:00,833 --> 01:23:03,302
[ Scott ]
I know that the prison
representative here...
1350
01:23:03,335 --> 01:23:05,536
is going to disagree
with everything I'm saying.
1351
01:23:05,570 --> 01:23:09,975
But we went through the letters,
and we were appalled at some
of the medical conditions there.
1352
01:23:10,009 --> 01:23:13,279
I saw firsthand
filing grievances,
1353
01:23:13,312 --> 01:23:15,648
and the indifference--
1354
01:23:15,681 --> 01:23:17,516
We really feel
like action needs to be taken.
1355
01:23:19,985 --> 01:23:21,920
[ Sighs ]
1356
01:23:37,635 --> 01:23:41,039
[ Woman ]
Dennis, hi.
Of course, I did.
1357
01:23:41,072 --> 01:23:42,840
How you doin'?
Good to see you again.
How you doin'?
1358
01:23:42,874 --> 01:23:44,643
Good to see you.
1359
01:23:44,677 --> 01:23:46,878
[ Woman ]
The State has taken
part of their lives,
1360
01:23:46,911 --> 01:23:49,981
and there
should be no question
that they deserve compensation.
1361
01:23:50,014 --> 01:23:52,784
There is no amount
that is enough.
1362
01:23:52,817 --> 01:23:54,786
But the enactment of this
legislation which will
take place...
1363
01:23:54,819 --> 01:23:56,788
later today and tomorrow...
1364
01:23:56,821 --> 01:23:59,590
is to make a step
towards discharging
that moral obligation...
1365
01:23:59,624 --> 01:24:01,993
toward these men.
1366
01:24:02,026 --> 01:24:05,862
My name's Dennis Maher.
I did 19 years,
two months and 29 days.
1367
01:24:11,601 --> 01:24:13,904
This bill goes a long way...
1368
01:24:15,672 --> 01:24:19,676
to, um, straightening
out things in our lives,
1369
01:24:19,710 --> 01:24:23,047
like, we still
have records even though
we've been exonerated.
1370
01:24:23,081 --> 01:24:26,083
This bill expunges our records.
1371
01:24:26,116 --> 01:24:28,819
I went for an apartment.
The only way
I got the apartment...
1372
01:24:28,852 --> 01:24:30,787
was I brought
my exoneration papers.
1373
01:24:32,622 --> 01:24:34,758
For the security check,
they would have denied me...
1374
01:24:34,791 --> 01:24:37,527
because I had 16 charges
still standing against me,
1375
01:24:37,561 --> 01:24:40,397
even though I was
exonerated for all of 'em.
1376
01:24:40,430 --> 01:24:42,766
I want to thank
all the politicians...
1377
01:24:42,799 --> 01:24:45,102
for the work they've done.
1378
01:24:45,135 --> 01:24:47,436
And it's been a long road.
Thank you.
1379
01:24:47,470 --> 01:24:49,138
[ Applause ]
1380
01:25:00,450 --> 01:25:02,419
[ Scheck ]
They want the system changed.
1381
01:25:02,452 --> 01:25:05,756
They want it changed in a way
that will benefit everyone--
1382
01:25:05,789 --> 01:25:07,757
future victims of crimes,
1383
01:25:07,790 --> 01:25:11,894
people that might be
picked up falsely,
get them exonerated now.
1384
01:25:11,927 --> 01:25:16,465
They want change.
Their sacrifice must
mean something.
1385
01:25:16,499 --> 01:25:20,970
And it's an important
motivator for me
and my colleagues...
1386
01:25:21,003 --> 01:25:25,608
to make sure
we vindicate the faith
they've shown in us.
1387
01:25:25,641 --> 01:25:29,411
What started out
as this small, you know,
mom-and-pop operation...
1388
01:25:29,444 --> 01:25:31,446
has now mushroomed
into a kind of, you know,
1389
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:33,014
new civil rights movement
in this country.
1390
01:25:35,117 --> 01:25:37,586
It's not just about
exonerating the innocent.
1391
01:25:37,620 --> 01:25:41,056
It's also about reforming
all of criminal justice.
1392
01:25:41,090 --> 01:25:45,094
'Cause once you implement
all these reforms, you've
actually shifted the paradigm.
1393
01:25:45,127 --> 01:25:47,730
The paradigm that
we've lived with now
for 40 years...
1394
01:25:47,763 --> 01:25:50,198
is one based on
the presumption of guilt.
1395
01:25:50,231 --> 01:25:54,035
It returns it
to one based on innocence,
1396
01:25:54,068 --> 01:25:56,905
at least until--
unless proven guilty.
1397
01:25:56,938 --> 01:25:59,674
And also one that understands...
1398
01:25:59,707 --> 01:26:02,544
just how vulnerable
our criminal justice system is,
1399
01:26:02,577 --> 01:26:05,780
just how easy it is
for truly innocent people
to be wrongly convicted.
1400
01:26:13,054 --> 01:26:15,223
- Wilton?
- Yeah?
1401
01:26:15,256 --> 01:26:18,793
Hey, it's Nina.
Listen, my dear, I have
some really good news for you.
1402
01:26:18,827 --> 01:26:22,197
Oh, yeah?
We got the report
from ReliaGene,
1403
01:26:22,230 --> 01:26:25,033
and you were excluded.
All right!
1404
01:26:25,066 --> 01:26:28,102
They got a result, Wilton.
They got four markers,
1405
01:26:28,136 --> 01:26:30,938
and you were excluded
at three of them.
1406
01:26:30,971 --> 01:26:33,607
Then there's none--
I mean, there's no
question whatsoever.
1407
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:37,845
None at all.
All we needed was one marker
to prove scientifically...
1408
01:26:37,878 --> 01:26:40,848
that you didn't
contribute that semen,
and we got three.
1409
01:26:40,881 --> 01:26:43,851
All right!
1410
01:26:43,884 --> 01:26:46,987
I'm feelin' good.
I'm feelin'--
feelin' a lot better.
1411
01:26:47,020 --> 01:26:49,790
Listen, Wilton,
you don't need me
to tell you this,
1412
01:26:49,823 --> 01:26:52,626
but you have done a lot, not
just for yourself, but for
so many other guys in Florida.
1413
01:26:52,659 --> 01:26:55,529
You were the first,
and you won't be the last.
1414
01:27:34,901 --> 01:27:36,636
[ Indistinct ]
1415
01:27:54,152 --> 01:27:57,689
We're the Dedges,
to pick up Wilton.
1416
01:27:58,757 --> 01:28:00,692
[ Sighs ]
1417
01:28:02,995 --> 01:28:05,164
[ Woman Speaking, Indistinct ]
1418
01:28:05,197 --> 01:28:07,133
Okay.
1419
01:28:25,884 --> 01:28:28,219
[ Applauding ]
1420
01:28:37,328 --> 01:28:39,229
[ Shutter Clicks ]
1421
01:29:10,260 --> 01:29:11,996
[ Man ]
Congratulations.
Thank you.
1422
01:29:42,759 --> 01:29:47,196
It don't look the same.
We don't look much--
1423
01:29:47,230 --> 01:29:49,465
You don't look the same either.
1424
01:29:59,042 --> 01:30:00,777
Things have changed.
1425
01:30:10,753 --> 01:30:12,722
I've been locked up
1426
01:30:12,755 --> 01:30:15,891
And the key's
been thrown away
1427
01:30:15,924 --> 01:30:18,226
Taken so far away
1428
01:30:18,260 --> 01:30:21,263
From my family
1429
01:30:21,296 --> 01:30:23,865
No more Sunday dinners
1430
01:30:23,899 --> 01:30:26,468
No more midnight snacks
1431
01:30:26,501 --> 01:30:28,770
Please don't cry, my lady
1432
01:30:28,804 --> 01:30:30,973
I'll be back one day
1433
01:30:31,007 --> 01:30:34,277
Let them into your room
Your wrist gettin' shackled
in cuffs
1434
01:30:34,310 --> 01:30:37,312
There's nothin' to get you
stuffed in the back
of a truck
1435
01:30:37,345 --> 01:30:39,715
And to you
this is some new shit
1436
01:30:39,748 --> 01:30:42,884
'Cause you lookin' at
time from the State
and you ain't even do shit
1437
01:30:42,918 --> 01:30:45,253
Get a sentence for rape
is on some clue shit
1438
01:30:45,287 --> 01:30:48,123
They end up pinning
your cases from a few chicks
1439
01:30:48,156 --> 01:30:51,126
Really can't afford to fall
But whatever you say or do
1440
01:30:51,159 --> 01:30:53,361
Get you accused
in a court of law
1441
01:30:53,395 --> 01:30:56,098
Prison life is
so vivid and trite
1442
01:30:56,131 --> 01:30:58,065
Restricted to the distance
from your kids and your wife
1443
01:30:58,099 --> 01:31:00,267
Can't slip
when you're driven to fight
1444
01:31:00,301 --> 01:31:03,037
And you stressin'
'cause you hopin'
they visit or write
1445
01:31:03,070 --> 01:31:05,339
The day's long
and the time's hard
1446
01:31:05,372 --> 01:31:07,341
Been an innocent man
stuck in a cage
1447
01:31:07,374 --> 01:31:09,044
And finally
your mind's scarred
1448
01:31:09,077 --> 01:31:11,480
You face it
and you try hard
1449
01:31:11,513 --> 01:31:14,282
But you ain't got
to serve a drink
to be behind bars
1450
01:31:14,316 --> 01:31:16,284
I've been locked up
1451
01:31:16,318 --> 01:31:19,353
And the key's been
thrown away
1452
01:31:19,386 --> 01:31:21,489
Taken so far away
1453
01:31:21,522 --> 01:31:24,458
From my family
1454
01:31:24,492 --> 01:31:27,194
No more Sunday dinners
1455
01:31:27,228 --> 01:31:30,064
No more midnight snacks
1456
01:31:30,097 --> 01:31:32,366
Please don't cry, my lady
1457
01:31:32,399 --> 01:31:35,269
I'll be back one day
1458
01:31:35,302 --> 01:31:38,004
This some cruel shit to face
Prison and lifting gates
1459
01:31:38,037 --> 01:31:40,540
People from a different race
liftin' weights
and gettin' raped
1460
01:31:40,573 --> 01:31:42,542
Prisoners from
different states
1461
01:31:42,575 --> 01:31:46,013
Till you got no choice
but to keep your mind focused
and get in shape
1462
01:31:46,046 --> 01:31:48,315
Criminals here
and they watch you close
1463
01:31:48,349 --> 01:31:51,152
Plottin' a knuckle or brawl
or choppin' your throat
1464
01:31:51,185 --> 01:31:53,487
Can't wait
to shuffle the cards
and cop 'em a smoke
1465
01:31:53,521 --> 01:31:56,223
Worry about duckin' the guards
and droppin' the soap
1466
01:31:56,257 --> 01:31:58,024
And it's makin' you
a nervous wreck
1467
01:31:58,057 --> 01:31:59,959
You ain't deserve the stress
1468
01:31:59,993 --> 01:32:01,961
But you know you're gonna
have to rumble
to earn respect
1469
01:32:01,995 --> 01:32:04,297
You can't sleep
It ain't sweet
1470
01:32:04,330 --> 01:32:07,133
Good morning.
So, what's new today?
1471
01:32:07,167 --> 01:32:08,935
I'm walkin'
above the ground.
1472
01:32:08,968 --> 01:32:11,137
Ahh.
1473
01:32:11,171 --> 01:32:13,139
Now, you have been
so wonderful.
1474
01:32:13,173 --> 01:32:15,475
Oh, thank you so much.
Thank you.
1475
01:32:15,508 --> 01:32:18,077
How you doin'?
How you doin'?
1476
01:32:18,111 --> 01:32:20,145
Great.
Ohh.
1477
01:32:21,413 --> 01:32:23,149
[ Sighs ]
1478
01:32:23,183 --> 01:32:25,151
Finally.
Finally!
1479
01:32:25,185 --> 01:32:28,121
Great.
I know.
I know.
1480
01:32:28,154 --> 01:32:30,490
No more Sunday dinners
1481
01:32:30,523 --> 01:32:33,493
No more midnight snacks
1482
01:32:33,526 --> 01:32:36,029
Please don't cry, my lady
1483
01:32:36,062 --> 01:32:38,498
I'll be back one day
1484
01:32:40,232 --> 01:32:42,601
This is my little thing.
1485
01:32:42,634 --> 01:32:47,306
DNA--
deoxyribonucleic acid--
1486
01:32:47,339 --> 01:32:50,576
That's God's signature, okay?
1487
01:32:50,609 --> 01:32:53,579
God's signature
is never a forgery,
1488
01:32:53,612 --> 01:32:55,581
and his checks
don't bounce, all right?
1489
01:32:55,614 --> 01:32:57,549
[ Applauding ]
So we all tight.
1490
01:33:05,157 --> 01:33:07,492
Now it's back to the street
startin' from scratch
1491
01:33:07,526 --> 01:33:10,195
To get back on your feet
and on track with the peeps
1492
01:33:10,229 --> 01:33:13,065
The young full of love
and are missin' their father
1493
01:33:13,098 --> 01:33:15,133
'Cause Mommy got 'em used
to a different provider
1494
01:33:15,167 --> 01:33:17,469
It's a whole lot to take in
1495
01:33:17,502 --> 01:33:20,938
'Cause you ain't got
to be guilty for you
to do time in the state pen
1496
01:33:20,972 --> 01:33:23,007
I've been locked up
1497
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:26,210
And the key's been
thrown away
1498
01:33:26,244 --> 01:33:28,546
Taken so far away
1499
01:33:28,579 --> 01:33:31,482
From my family
1500
01:33:31,515 --> 01:33:34,185
No more Sunday dinners
1501
01:33:34,218 --> 01:33:36,655
No more midnight snacks
1502
01:33:36,688 --> 01:33:39,358
Please don't cry, my lady
1503
01:33:39,391 --> 01:33:42,326
I'll be back one day
1504
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:45,062
Knowin' that I'm innocent
Hopin' to make a route
1505
01:33:45,096 --> 01:33:47,632
Thrown in a prison
just hopin' to make it out
1506
01:33:47,665 --> 01:33:50,368
Out of my patience
Making schemes
of breakin' out
1507
01:33:50,401 --> 01:33:52,703
But face it
Make it clean or weeded out
1508
01:33:53,305 --> 01:34:53,460
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