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Well, if the information I read in the briefings was accurate, now what I do have to say is the information that pertained directly to the reactor was accurate.
398
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399
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400
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What I read did jive with reality in terms of how in terms of how it was made,what we saw, how it operated, the materials, how it turned on, and what was discovered about it.
401
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402
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403
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404
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I'm sorry.
405
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The migraine is really making it hard for me to think here. Sorry.
406
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407
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No, we talked that before. The podcast.
408
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You tell everybody Bob is getting a Migraine.
409
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I know you're very stressed out by this, which is one of the reasons why I appreciate you doing this.
410
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411
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Where was I already?
412
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We were talking, right?
413
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Explained it.
414
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There was some paperwork that indicated that this was from the Zeta Reticuli star system.
415
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416
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Now, how they obtained that, I haven't the slightest idea.
417
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418
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But it wasn't just from the Zeta Reticuli star system.
419
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It was what they called ZR Three.
420
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So it was a third planet in that star system.
421
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So there was no other information about it other than that's supposedly where the craft came from.
422
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423
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Now, is that true? I don't know.
424
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I have no way of verifying that.
425
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But that was printed in the same materials that referenced the reactor.
426
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427
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Now, I looked that stuff up when I went home, and Zeta Reticula is a binary star, two stars that orbit one another.
428
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429
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430
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And it's only visible in the southern hemisphere, and it's about 30 some odd light years away.
431
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432
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So that's literally all the information I have about that.
433
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434
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I don't know how they found out it came from there.
435
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And you also probably have some suspicions that they give you some disinformation, like you were talking about before, if you ever decided to talk about this.
436
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437
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438
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They added a bunch of nonsense to make whatever is factual look ridiculous, right.
439
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440
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Or be able to trace it down, like, hey, this facts came out, and this Lazar guy said it came from Zeta Reticulate, so they knew it was.
441
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442
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443
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When you read Zeta Reticulate, were you like, what in the fuck is this?
444
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445
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Well, reading all of this stuff, it was, what in the fuck is this?
446
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447
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You're like, Why did I sign up for this?
448
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No, to me, this was cool.
449
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This was interesting.
450
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I was just excited to be out in a secure area in the middle of the desert.
451
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452
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I said, this is awesome. How old are you?
453
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At the time, I was in my 20s. Yes.
454
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You're probably totally geeked out.
455
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Oh, yeah, this was great.
456
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I mean, I was excited, so I didn't care.
457
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I'm reading through everything.
458
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So you read through all the Zeta Reticula thing, but then when you see the actual starship with the little American flag sticker on
459
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460
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461
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it, well, that was that later or before?
462
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That was before. So before.
463
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So you see the thing before and you say, oh, this is that before hard? So many years.
464
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465
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Yeah, I can't either way, it doesn't matter.
466
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The days have fused together.
467
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It's so hard to separate what happened in each visit.
468
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Do you remember the thought process when you read that?
469
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It's from Zeta Reticuli? Yeah.
470
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It didn't hit me like a ton of bricks or anything.
471
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It was just like, yeah, okay.
472
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You think it was bullshit? I don't know. Now I don't.
473
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I mean, because when I read it, I hadn't verified anything,
474
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and this was just a bunch of stuff I was reading.
475
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And I thought, maybe after this, they're just going to give me a test and see what I can remember in crazy information.
476
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477
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478
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But like I said, when I finally went in with Barry and had hands on experience with what they were talking about, it got a completely different meaning.
479
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480
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481
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So there's a plate, there's this thing that looks like a half a basketball.
482
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483
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And when it's on, you can't come anywhere near it.
484
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You can't touch it. Right.
485
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What is gravity about that?
486
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The concept of gravity to most people is gravity is bringing something towards it. Right.
487
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488
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Well, I guess you would say it's antigravity.
489
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It's gravity shifted 180 degrees.
490
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It's antigravity.
491
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And did they have any understanding about what could possibly create this effect?
492
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493
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Did they have any areas where they'd like you to look into? No.
494
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495
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Well, they knew there was a fuel source in it, and they were proficient at making it work.
496
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497
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And again, my analogy to something like this is you can drop a motorcycle off in the wagon train days and just leave it with the keys parked outside somebody's place.
498
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499
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500
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501
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Everybody will come around it, and they'll poke and prod, and eventually they'll turn the key, get it to start, and become proficient at riding it. understand what the hell's going on.
502
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503
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504
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Yeah, but they won't be able to
505
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506
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They won't be able to make the
507
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plastic fender, much less anything else.
508
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And I think that's exactly the state we were at.
509
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We played around with the parts long enough before I
510
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got there where they could make the reactor operate, take
511
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the fuel out, and know that it makes it work.
512
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How exactly what was going on in the
513
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reactor remained a mystery at the time.
514
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I think we made some progress on what was going
515
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on inside, but I don't think anybody really knew anything.
516
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They could just watch what was going
517
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on and make note of it.
518
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How long were you there?
519
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I'd say about six months or so.
520
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And what progress was made while you were there?
521
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Well, we came up with a bunch of reasonably
522
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good ideas about how the reactor worked, and one
523
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of them was the square base of it was
524
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essentially like a cyclotron, which is a small particle
525
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accelerator, a circular one particle accelerators.
526
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Linear particle accelerators are just a long tube,
527
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essentially, and they accelerate particles with high voltage
528
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and radio frequencies till they reach high speeds.
529
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But a cyclotron does that in a small circular
530
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area, and there is this very heavy element fuel,
531
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element 115, something that wasn't on our periodic charts
532
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at the time, but it is now.
533
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It is now, yeah.
534
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When did it become on the periodic table?
535
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Now, the way the charts now,
536
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you know, I don't remember.
537
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Do you remember when they 2004, Dermstat, Germany, I
538
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think, is where they first fabricated four atoms.
539
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They lasted 220 milliseconds.
540
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With the atoms, it's nothing. Right.
541
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And then it later was discovered a couple more times.
542
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They could fabricate it.
543
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Then they gave it a place then on
544
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the periodic chart after that, called it muscovium.
545
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So they told you about this stuff in 1982?
546
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Yeah.
547
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Well, we what year was this?
548
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It was 80, 88 and 89 when I was there.
549
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82 is when 82 is when you're los Alamos. I'm sorry.
550
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Yeah.
551
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So 88, 89.
552
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They told you about this stuff?
553
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So this was not like no, they didn't tell me about it.
554
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That's one of the things that this group came up with.
555
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I keep losing my train of thought with this thing.
556
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So this one area, this this element 115 was the fuel?
557
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Yeah, it was the fuel.
558
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The the world will forgive you for having a migraine.
559
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It's really hard to think through.
560
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Can I give me a minute. Give you more.
561
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I just want to say what yeah, definitely.
562
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I was going to say one thing.
563
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For the last 30 years, people have just
564
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been on the attack on Bob, getting to
565
00:27:05,679 --> 00:27:07,934
know him, the personal effects on his life.
566
00:27:07,935 --> 00:27:09,742
It's really hard to understand unless you
567
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meet his family and his wife.
568
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I mean, this is the last thing he
569
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wanted to fucking do, was have to talk.
570
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Yeah, we should explain that.
571
00:27:16,963 --> 00:27:18,776
Jeremy, you and I had this conversation.
572
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I watched your documentary.
573
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We had this conversation, and I said,
574
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I have to talk to him. Yeah.
575
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The document there's been detractors.
576
00:27:27,661 --> 00:27:28,886
There's been a bunch of people.
577
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That called bullshit on many of
578
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the things that you've said.
579
00:27:31,367 --> 00:27:35,526
But over time, many of the things that you talked
580
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about, even in the 80s, have proven to be true.
581
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Things that people said were not
582
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true were proven to be true.
583
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Element 115 was one of them.
584
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Right, right.
585
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Element 115, the fuel they had was stable.
586
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In other words, it didn't decay.
587
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It wasn't emitting radioactivity.
588
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When they synthesized the two or three atoms of the 115,
589
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it did decay, and it was not a stable element.
590
00:28:02,681 --> 00:28:04,466
So they're kind of two different things.
591
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But this is kind of typical.
592
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Elements always have, or pretty much always
593
00:28:09,187 --> 00:28:12,664
have stable isotopes and unstable isotopes.
594
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Like, I think Caesium has like,
595
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30 unstable isotopes to it.
596
00:28:17,799 --> 00:28:19,190
Well, hydrogen, for example.
597
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You're familiar with hydrogen gas.
598
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It's stable, it's not radioactive.
599
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But there's also two other types
600
00:28:25,889 --> 00:28:29,968
of hydrogen, deuterium and tritium.
601
00:28:29,969 --> 00:28:32,048
And deuterium isn't radioactive.
602
00:28:32,049 --> 00:28:34,474
It's another stable isotope of
603
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hydrogen, but tritium is radioactive.
604
00:28:36,273 --> 00:28:38,398
Now, they're all hydrogen, but they
605
00:28:38,399 --> 00:28:40,548
just have different amounts of neutrons.
606
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So it's the same thing with other elements.
607
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And element 115, depending on the amount of neutrons
608
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it has, designates the isotope, but it's 115.
609
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They will continue to take or experiment and try
610
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and make 115 at different isotopes, and I'm sure
611
00:29:00,083 --> 00:29:02,136
eventually they'll come up with a stable version.
612
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But it's the stable version that has
613
00:29:04,423 --> 00:29:06,214
the properties that we're talking about.
614
00:29:06,215 --> 00:29:08,438
So they, somehow or another
615
00:29:08,439 --> 00:29:10,092
had acquired a stable version.
616
00:29:10,093 --> 00:29:11,292
Did they say that the stable
617
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version had come with this craft?
618
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It absolutely came with the graft, yeah.
619
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So at the time, you having a firm knowledge of
620
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the periodic chart and knowing what was real and what
621
00:29:21,179 --> 00:29:24,720
wasn't real, what was your reaction to having this stable
622
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element 115 that wasn't even supposed to exist?
623
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Well, everything was impossible. Right?
624
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I mean, down to the metal.
625
00:29:31,813 --> 00:29:34,654
I did get a chance to look
626
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inside the craft on only one occasion.
627
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And this was important because where the reactor
628
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sat might have been critical to how it
629
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operated, since everything operates without any interconnection, so
630
00:29:47,939 --> 00:29:50,888
the placement of components might be critical.
631
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So they allowed me to go inside and look at it again.
632
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I forgot where the hell I am.
633
00:29:58,263 --> 00:30:00,998
So you're going into this craft, and what
634
00:30:00,999 --> 00:30:02,886
are you thinking when you're inside of it?
635
00:30:02,887 --> 00:30:03,910
What are you seeing?
636
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:11,002
It's a very ominous feeling because first
637
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of all, everything is one color.
638
00:30:12,651 --> 00:30:15,242
It's like a dark pewter color, and
639
00:30:15,243 --> 00:30:17,952
there are no right angles anywhere.
640
00:30:17,953 --> 00:30:21,854
It's as if somebody took I've said this before somebody
641
00:30:21,855 --> 00:30:25,134
took a model out of and fashioned it out of
642
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wax and then heated it just for a short time.
643
00:30:27,743 --> 00:30:28,952
So everything melted.
644
00:30:28,953 --> 00:30:30,770
Everything looks like it's fused together.
645
00:30:30,771 --> 00:30:31,874
Everything has a radius of
646
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curvature where two items meet.
647
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,630
It's a really weird looking thing, but
648
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there was almost nothing other than a
649
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small foldable hatchway that that looked recognizable.
650
00:30:50,429 --> 00:30:55,052
Everything was was really unworldy depicting
651
00:30:55,053 --> 00:30:56,998
it a way to describe it.
652
00:30:56,999 --> 00:31:00,192
So you you get inside this thing and it's designed
653
00:31:00,193 --> 00:31:02,490
for something that's much smaller than a human being.
654
00:31:02,491 --> 00:31:03,994
Yeah, you can't really stand up till you
655
00:31:03,995 --> 00:31:05,178
get to the very center of it.
656
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And how tall are you?
657
00:31:06,363 --> 00:31:07,742
I'm 510.
658
00:31:07,743 --> 00:31:10,222
And what do you think this was designed for?
659
00:31:10,223 --> 00:31:13,500
I'd say something close to half my height. Wow.
660
00:31:13,501 --> 00:31:17,342
So these little three foot Talish creatures. Yeah.
661
00:31:17,343 --> 00:31:19,426
And the seats were small too.
662
00:31:19,427 --> 00:31:22,322
I mean, obviously it was made for
663
00:31:22,323 --> 00:31:27,506
something small, but there's nothing else.
664
00:31:27,507 --> 00:31:29,442
In there, there's just seats, the
665
00:31:29,443 --> 00:31:31,692
reactor and some of the subcomponents.
666
00:31:31,693 --> 00:31:32,988
There's no control panels.
667
00:31:32,989 --> 00:31:34,380
There's no bathroom.
668
00:31:34,381 --> 00:31:38,758
There's no decorative components or artwork or
669
00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:41,356
anything that you would recognize or trim.
670
00:31:41,357 --> 00:31:43,946
I mean, it's just a very bare bones thing.
671
00:31:43,947 --> 00:31:45,780
You're not seeing any screens.
672
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,658
Well, there are archways around it that
673
00:31:49,659 --> 00:31:53,338
are part of the superstructure, and one
674
00:31:53,339 --> 00:31:56,540
of the archways can become transparent.
675
00:31:56,541 --> 00:31:58,734
When I was in there, there was another group
676
00:31:58,735 --> 00:32:02,526
working on one of the archways, and you could
677
00:32:02,527 --> 00:32:04,974
call that a screen, more or less.
678
00:32:04,975 --> 00:32:09,742
So through that archway, it would maintain the
679
00:32:09,743 --> 00:32:13,858
solidity, the solid, whatever metal it was, but
680
00:32:13,859 --> 00:32:16,200
you could it just became transparent.
681
00:32:16,201 --> 00:32:19,346
Yeah, I saw that happen once or twice before I left.
682
00:32:19,347 --> 00:32:21,048
Did you ask any questions about what the fuck?
683
00:32:21,049 --> 00:32:23,894
No, there's no asking questions. No.
684
00:32:23,895 --> 00:32:26,748
But when you watch something become transparent
685
00:32:26,749 --> 00:32:28,214
and you realize it's still there, but
686
00:32:28,215 --> 00:32:29,702
you could now see through it. Yeah.
687
00:32:29,703 --> 00:32:32,268
I mean, no, that's not that impressive.
688
00:32:32,269 --> 00:32:34,368
We do have some liquid crystal materials
689
00:32:34,369 --> 00:32:37,872
that are like that smart glass.
690
00:32:37,873 --> 00:32:39,540
Yeah, they call it smart glass.
691
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,898
And I don't know if the craft is
692
00:32:41,899 --> 00:32:45,456
made of an advanced metal or a ceramic.
693
00:32:45,457 --> 00:32:47,930
It was cold to the touch, so
694
00:32:48,460 --> 00:32:50,356
I would lean more towards a metal.
695
00:32:50,357 --> 00:32:52,970
You're not allowed to ask questions? No.
696
00:32:53,740 --> 00:32:55,918
They work on the buddy system, so I
697
00:32:55,919 --> 00:32:59,260
can only exchange ideas and talk to Barry.
698
00:32:59,261 --> 00:33:03,202
Now, this really interferes with science because science is
699
00:33:03,203 --> 00:33:05,874
based on free discussion, and ideally, you get a
700
00:33:05,875 --> 00:33:08,690
bunch of guys together, exchange ideas, work on problems,
701
00:33:08,691 --> 00:33:10,498
and that's how things move forward.
702
00:33:10,499 --> 00:33:12,742
But they're so over the top
703
00:33:12,743 --> 00:33:15,814
concerned about security, they split everything
704
00:33:15,815 --> 00:33:19,360
off, and everybody becomes stagnant.
705
00:33:20,660 --> 00:33:23,702
It just destroys any of the progress you can
706
00:33:23,703 --> 00:33:26,420
make, or at least makes it go so slow.
707
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,658
I think they wind up shooting themselves in the foot,
708
00:33:29,659 --> 00:33:33,562
which is probably why they arrived at this bottleneck that
709
00:33:33,563 --> 00:33:36,448
they needed to get this madman with a jet powered
710
00:33:36,449 --> 00:33:38,426
Honda to come in and see what he could do.
711
00:33:38,427 --> 00:33:40,260
I think that was an act of desperation.
712
00:33:40,261 --> 00:33:42,158
I think they wanted someone that thinks out of
713
00:33:42,159 --> 00:33:44,238
the box, and let's just give this guy a
714
00:33:44,239 --> 00:33:48,318
try here, because they might have done this four
715
00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:51,378
more times since up to the point in time
716
00:33:51,379 --> 00:33:54,240
today, assuming they're still working on this thing.
717
00:33:54,241 --> 00:33:58,322
And when you see this craft and you're inside, was
718
00:33:58,323 --> 00:34:02,098
there any indication that there was an area that they
719
00:34:02,099 --> 00:34:04,514
would use to control it, to pilot it?
720
00:34:04,515 --> 00:34:07,060
Was there a pilot seat?
721
00:34:07,061 --> 00:34:08,300
There were three seats.
722
00:34:08,301 --> 00:34:09,702
They sat around.
723
00:34:09,703 --> 00:34:11,766
The reactor was in the dead center
724
00:34:11,767 --> 00:34:14,565
of it, and then equidistant around.
725
00:34:14,566 --> 00:34:17,889
There were three seats, and that's all.
726
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,391
They're not consoles.
727
00:34:21,392 --> 00:34:24,330
They're large rectangular objects also
728
00:34:24,331 --> 00:34:27,500
spaced equidistant around the center.
729
00:34:27,501 --> 00:34:29,492
There's nothing on them. There's no buttons.
730
00:34:29,493 --> 00:34:30,500
There's no lights.
731
00:34:30,501 --> 00:34:32,206
And they control the same color.
732
00:34:32,207 --> 00:34:34,942
Everything is the same color, different shape. Right.
733
00:34:34,943 --> 00:34:38,148
And directly underneath them, there's
734
00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:40,239
three levels in the craft.
735
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:42,562
The main level is what we're talking about.
736
00:34:42,563 --> 00:34:46,487
Directly under that, those are the gravity amplifiers.
737
00:34:46,488 --> 00:34:49,688
The big rectangular objects underneath them are the gravity
738
00:34:49,689 --> 00:34:52,262
emitters that look like, for lack of a better
739
00:34:52,263 --> 00:34:54,460
word, a trash can hanging on a pipe.
740
00:34:54,461 --> 00:34:58,420
Three of those, and then the top layer.
741
00:34:58,421 --> 00:35:00,172
This is just my personal belief.
742
00:35:00,173 --> 00:35:03,686
I think that has to do with a navigation or
743
00:35:03,687 --> 00:35:08,768
their version of a computer, with some planar panels, sensor
744
00:35:08,769 --> 00:35:11,312
panels around the craft that we would call portholes.
745
00:35:11,313 --> 00:35:12,592
But they're not portholes.
746
00:35:12,593 --> 00:35:13,984
They're just black areas.
747
00:35:13,985 --> 00:35:18,718
And I think that just determines its position in space.
748
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,660
But I physically was in the center section,
749
00:35:22,661 --> 00:35:25,230
and I stuck my torso in the bottom
750
00:35:25,231 --> 00:35:26,958
section and hung upside down so I could
751
00:35:26,959 --> 00:35:30,504
see how the gravity amplifiers were positioned.
752
00:35:30,505 --> 00:35:32,990
What is roughly the size of this thing?
753
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,402
I don't remember from being there, but after all this
754
00:35:38,403 --> 00:35:41,538
stuff was over, I had John Andrews, a guy from
755
00:35:41,539 --> 00:35:45,750
the Testers Model Corporation, and we sat down and tried
756
00:35:45,751 --> 00:35:50,828
to figure out, from what I saw and known sizes
757
00:35:50,829 --> 00:35:53,920
of things, and we came up with 52ft in diameter.
758
00:35:55,380 --> 00:35:56,422
Really small. Yeah.
759
00:35:56,423 --> 00:35:59,610
So I I think that's a fair, reasonable guess.
760
00:35:59,611 --> 00:36:01,258
Now, you said there's nine of them, and you
761
00:36:01,259 --> 00:36:04,120
got a brief glimpse at the other ones.
762
00:36:04,121 --> 00:36:05,350
How are they different?
763
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:07,886
They looked completely different.
764
00:36:07,887 --> 00:36:11,502
One looked like I called a jello mold, and it looked
765
00:36:11,503 --> 00:36:14,558
like a classic jello mold with the rippled sides to it.
766
00:36:14,559 --> 00:36:21,928
One was a very flat disc, like a straw hat
767
00:36:21,929 --> 00:36:24,258
or something like that, that was sitting up on its
768
00:36:24,259 --> 00:36:27,618
edge, and the thin part of it had looked like
769
00:36:27,619 --> 00:36:31,698
a projectile had been fired through the edge of it.
770
00:36:31,699 --> 00:36:33,420
So I don't know if they were attempting
771
00:36:33,421 --> 00:36:36,108
to see if the metal could be penetrated
772
00:36:36,109 --> 00:36:39,686
or if that's where the thing came from.
773
00:36:39,687 --> 00:36:42,998
Maybe it was shot down, but that was the only one
774
00:36:42,999 --> 00:36:46,730
where I saw there was actual physical damage to it.
775
00:36:46,731 --> 00:36:49,226
And that one was roughly the same size.
776
00:36:49,227 --> 00:36:50,538
They're all they were kind of too
777
00:36:50,539 --> 00:36:54,618
far away to tell and did.
778
00:36:54,619 --> 00:36:56,954
There was several teams that were working on
779
00:36:56,955 --> 00:36:59,104
the propulsion system, so there was different teams
780
00:36:59,105 --> 00:37:01,700
that were working on these different aircrafts.
781
00:37:02,540 --> 00:37:04,040
I could only assume.
782
00:37:05,260 --> 00:37:09,236
Now, when you're sitting in this thing and you're
783
00:37:09,237 --> 00:37:14,018
looking at this otherworldly craft, your goal is to
784
00:37:14,019 --> 00:37:16,568
try to figure out how this thing functions.
785
00:37:16,569 --> 00:37:18,386
Your goal is to try to figure out how this
786
00:37:18,387 --> 00:37:22,502
reactor you would imagine they would give you more time
787
00:37:22,503 --> 00:37:24,230
than just one day to check that out.
788
00:37:24,231 --> 00:37:26,900
Oh, it wasn't one day. Right?
789
00:37:26,901 --> 00:37:29,510
Yeah, Barry was there.
790
00:37:29,511 --> 00:37:31,670
I think Barry was sleeping there.
791
00:37:31,671 --> 00:37:32,930
I'm sure they had.
792
00:37:33,620 --> 00:37:34,588
That isn't weird.
793
00:37:34,589 --> 00:37:36,358
I mean, up at the tone of Pod test range where
794
00:37:36,359 --> 00:37:40,826
they work on stealth fighters, you go, I think, three weeks
795
00:37:40,827 --> 00:37:43,498
on, one week off, and you stay up there too, so
796
00:37:43,499 --> 00:37:45,770
it's not weird to stay up at the test site. Right.
797
00:37:45,771 --> 00:37:48,852
So, yeah, I think he pretty much he acted
798
00:37:48,853 --> 00:37:50,830
like he's been up there for a long time.
799
00:37:50,831 --> 00:37:53,822
Yeah, but he's still there.
800
00:37:53,823 --> 00:37:55,396
Yeah, who knows?
801
00:37:55,397 --> 00:37:56,926
Do you have contact with this guy?
802
00:37:56,927 --> 00:37:58,926
No, I wish I did.
803
00:37:58,927 --> 00:38:03,042
I kind of thought he was going to come out after I did.
804
00:38:03,043 --> 00:38:05,870
And I think I took so much flak and
805
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,042
it's so much shit for what went on.
806
00:38:09,043 --> 00:38:11,208
I think actually I wound up helping
807
00:38:11,209 --> 00:38:14,742
security there and everybody became afraid of
808
00:38:14,743 --> 00:38:17,174
doing or saying anything after that.
809
00:38:17,175 --> 00:38:20,822
So what kind of reports did you have to give?
810
00:38:20,823 --> 00:38:22,582
So you're not making much progress, right?
811
00:38:22,583 --> 00:38:23,594
You're just trying to figure out what
812
00:38:23,595 --> 00:38:26,040
this thing is, and it seems impossible.
813
00:38:26,041 --> 00:38:27,946
Well, we didn't personally make them.
814
00:38:27,947 --> 00:38:30,778
I mean, there was never a
815
00:38:30,779 --> 00:38:33,780
lot of information that we gained.
816
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,332
The guy, you would call him our supervisor.
817
00:38:37,333 --> 00:38:39,982
His name was Dennis Mariani and
818
00:38:39,983 --> 00:38:42,238
kind of a military looking guy.
819
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,518
And he would routinely pop in during the
820
00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:48,814
day and, hey, what's going on, guys?
821
00:38:48,815 --> 00:38:51,762
And he would essentially relay any information,
822
00:38:51,763 --> 00:38:53,346
anything new we came up with.
823
00:38:53,347 --> 00:38:56,146
I mean, he was our go between where we
824
00:38:56,147 --> 00:38:58,482
presented him the information, then he took it to
825
00:38:58,483 --> 00:39:02,530
wherever they were, assembling all the data from everybody.
826
00:39:02,531 --> 00:39:04,348
Now, I assume you're working normal
827
00:39:04,349 --> 00:39:05,670
days, like an eight hour day?
828
00:39:05,671 --> 00:39:09,878
No, it was really weird that I would be
829
00:39:09,879 --> 00:39:12,646
only called in on certain times and certain days.
830
00:39:12,647 --> 00:39:15,222
And they would be weird hours too.
831
00:39:15,223 --> 00:39:17,360
Most of the time was later in the evening.
832
00:39:17,361 --> 00:39:19,168
I mean, I can get a call at 11:00
833
00:39:19,169 --> 00:39:22,420
at night and they'll say it's now 11:00.
834
00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:28,170
By 1145, you need to be at McCarran Terminal and
835
00:39:29,580 --> 00:39:32,846
we'll let you know when we have more information.
836
00:39:32,847 --> 00:39:35,102
But what did you do while you were there?
837
00:39:35,103 --> 00:39:39,742
If you're looking at this object, this reactor, and
838
00:39:39,743 --> 00:39:41,838
you can't figure out what it is or how
839
00:39:41,839 --> 00:39:43,602
it works, other than the fact that it works
840
00:39:43,603 --> 00:39:46,242
on this element that we don't even know about. Sure.
841
00:39:46,243 --> 00:39:51,698
I mean, the thing was what you do with anything.
842
00:39:51,699 --> 00:39:53,234
If you're trying to analyze it, all
843
00:39:53,235 --> 00:39:55,388
you can do is perform tests.
844
00:39:55,389 --> 00:39:57,622
And all we did is try and come up
845
00:39:57,623 --> 00:40:00,370
with every kind of test we possibly could.
846
00:40:03,460 --> 00:40:05,898
It violated a lot of what
847
00:40:05,899 --> 00:40:07,984
we thought was impossible to violate.
848
00:40:07,985 --> 00:40:09,914
I mean, one of the first laws of
849
00:40:09,915 --> 00:40:13,488
thermodynamics I mean, essentially any machine, any device
850
00:40:13,489 --> 00:40:16,336
that operates always makes extra heat.
851
00:40:16,337 --> 00:40:18,964
Nothing works at 100% efficient.
852
00:40:18,965 --> 00:40:21,582
Even the headphones you're wearing, anything that
853
00:40:21,583 --> 00:40:23,694
takes power, some of that power is
854
00:40:23,695 --> 00:40:25,348
going to be converted to heat.
855
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:26,760
And it's just wasted.
856
00:40:27,420 --> 00:40:29,262
This didn't I mean, we looked at
857
00:40:29,263 --> 00:40:31,208
back then, we had infrared cameras.
858
00:40:31,209 --> 00:40:33,074
They're different today, but back then you had to
859
00:40:33,075 --> 00:40:36,418
pour liquid nitrogen into the camera to cool the
860
00:40:36,419 --> 00:40:41,254
sensor down and get these infrared images you've seen.
861
00:40:41,255 --> 00:40:43,558
But it never got no matter what the
862
00:40:43,559 --> 00:40:46,102
load was on the reactor, it never got
863
00:40:46,103 --> 00:40:49,628
above the ambient temperature, which is impossible.
864
00:40:49,629 --> 00:40:53,808
I mean, you're pulling out huge amounts
865
00:40:53,809 --> 00:40:56,580
of power and nothing ever gets warm.
866
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,664
We tried measuring magnetic fields,
867
00:40:59,665 --> 00:41:01,226
and there was nothing there.
868
00:41:01,227 --> 00:41:04,954
So we started playing around with the emission from the
869
00:41:04,955 --> 00:41:09,102
emitters, the gravity wave itself, and saw what we could
870
00:41:09,103 --> 00:41:11,252
do with it and how it was focused.
871
00:41:11,253 --> 00:41:16,142
So we really spent all our time just trying to see
872
00:41:16,143 --> 00:41:19,454
what the stuff can do and what we can control.
873
00:41:19,455 --> 00:41:21,458
So you were seeing what it could do, but you
874
00:41:21,459 --> 00:41:23,630
couldn't ever figure out how it was doing it?
875
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:25,630
No, not really.
876
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,110
We really could only use come up with a best guess.
877
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:36,486
Now, I can't say that I could absolutely state
878
00:41:36,487 --> 00:41:40,662
for certainty or certainty how anything actually worked.
879
00:41:40,663 --> 00:41:45,866
Now, did you know at all how they were piloting it?
880
00:41:45,867 --> 00:41:49,658
Because they were doing some tests where they were
881
00:41:49,659 --> 00:41:53,072
having these things fly around in the sky.
882
00:41:53,073 --> 00:41:57,770
And this is what gets us deeper into your story, right?
883
00:42:00,860 --> 00:42:06,030
I was out there for one test, right?
884
00:42:06,031 --> 00:42:09,342
In fact, I was in with barry in the lab, and
885
00:42:09,343 --> 00:42:12,626
dennis came in and said, we're about to run a test.
886
00:42:12,627 --> 00:42:14,162
Why don't you guys come out?
887
00:42:14,163 --> 00:42:16,898
Or I think he said, barry, why don't you
888
00:42:16,899 --> 00:42:19,218
come out here and bring bob with you?
889
00:42:19,219 --> 00:42:23,254
We went out there, and the craft was already outside
890
00:42:23,255 --> 00:42:26,790
the hangar and was just preparing to lift off.
891
00:42:26,791 --> 00:42:28,876
Now, they were in communication
892
00:42:28,877 --> 00:42:30,732
with somebody in the craft.
893
00:42:30,733 --> 00:42:32,524
So there was a person in the craft?
894
00:42:32,525 --> 00:42:35,318
Yeah, there was certainly a person in there.
895
00:42:35,319 --> 00:42:37,578
Now, it's not a comfortable place to be in
896
00:42:37,579 --> 00:42:39,642
because it's small, so the guy has to be
897
00:42:39,643 --> 00:42:41,642
sitting on the floor in the middle.
898
00:42:41,643 --> 00:42:44,528
My best guess, and this is the same specific craft
899
00:42:44,529 --> 00:42:46,708
that you worked on, because that was the only craft
900
00:42:46,709 --> 00:42:48,788
that you were in, the only one that I touched
901
00:42:48,789 --> 00:42:53,732
and worked on, and it quietly lifted off the ground,
902
00:42:53,733 --> 00:42:56,382
which was incredibly impressive to see.
903
00:42:56,383 --> 00:42:58,040
Quietly or silently?
904
00:42:59,420 --> 00:43:02,650
Well, quietly, because it did.
905
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:08,114
It produced a little corona discharge from the bottom.
906
00:43:08,115 --> 00:43:09,826
Corona discharge is kind of a high
907
00:43:09,827 --> 00:43:12,856
voltage brush, little bluish glow discharge.
908
00:43:12,857 --> 00:43:14,088
As it was lifting off the ground,
909
00:43:14,089 --> 00:43:16,054
you can hear a slight hiss sound.
910
00:43:16,055 --> 00:43:17,718
Now, as soon as it cleared the ground, by
911
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,774
about five or 10ft, maybe even less than that,
912
00:43:20,775 --> 00:43:23,792
the hissing stopped, and the blue go disappeared.
913
00:43:23,793 --> 00:43:26,778
So it lifted off quietly, and then it
914
00:43:26,779 --> 00:43:30,362
hovered silently, if you want to be specific. Wow.
915
00:43:30,363 --> 00:43:32,618
So then what kind of maneuvers was
916
00:43:32,619 --> 00:43:35,742
it doing for that particular time?
917
00:43:35,743 --> 00:43:38,334
It took off, moved a little around to the
918
00:43:38,335 --> 00:43:40,650
left and right, and then sat back down.
919
00:43:42,460 --> 00:43:49,442
The craft itself, they communicated with it, because I
920
00:43:49,443 --> 00:43:54,824
saw the guy talking in a regular VHF radio
921
00:43:54,825 --> 00:43:57,682
to the person in the craft, and I even
922
00:43:57,683 --> 00:44:01,132
saw the frequency that was on the frequency counter,
923
00:44:01,133 --> 00:44:04,290
the communication, the transceiver there.
924
00:44:05,220 --> 00:44:08,118
But what's weird is he shouldn't be able
925
00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:11,360
to communicate with the craft with a radio.
926
00:44:13,220 --> 00:44:15,472
The radio wave should bend around the craft.
927
00:44:15,473 --> 00:44:17,560
I mean, it it shouldn't be possible.
928
00:44:17,561 --> 00:44:20,874
Every single thing about these the craft and the
929
00:44:20,875 --> 00:44:24,858
way they operated didn't make any sense to us.
930
00:44:24,859 --> 00:44:26,266
I mean, that's something we talked
931
00:44:26,267 --> 00:44:27,818
about for a while after.
932
00:44:27,819 --> 00:44:30,244
Why should the frequency bend around the craft?
933
00:44:30,245 --> 00:44:32,862
Well, you really have to look at the way
934
00:44:32,863 --> 00:44:35,684
the gravity wave comes out of the craft.
935
00:44:35,685 --> 00:44:37,934
The reactor is in the center, and there's a
936
00:44:37,935 --> 00:44:39,966
wave guide that goes up to the top.
937
00:44:39,967 --> 00:44:42,194
There's actually a small appendage that sticks out of
938
00:44:42,195 --> 00:44:44,258
the top of the craft, and it produces a
939
00:44:44,259 --> 00:44:47,304
heart shaped gravitational distortion around the craft.
940
00:44:47,305 --> 00:44:49,298
Now, if the craft is sitting in the
941
00:44:49,299 --> 00:44:52,102
air and you walk underneath it and look
942
00:44:52,103 --> 00:44:56,060
up, you actually cannot see the craft.
943
00:44:56,061 --> 00:44:58,668
The light bends around it. You're bending.
944
00:44:58,669 --> 00:45:00,118
Gravity bends light.
945
00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:01,920
It bends radio waves.
946
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,018
It shouldn't be possible to communicate with
947
00:45:07,019 --> 00:45:08,970
a craft that has an envelope around
948
00:45:08,971 --> 00:45:11,818
it that's distorting all forms of energy.
949
00:45:11,819 --> 00:45:15,226
But they were apparently in contact with it
950
00:45:15,227 --> 00:45:18,718
somehow or another through some unexplained way that
951
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,100
they didn't bother explaining to you.
952
00:45:21,101 --> 00:45:22,238
So this thing gets up.
953
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:23,908
It just does some very simple maneuvers.
954
00:45:23,909 --> 00:45:27,566
Left, right, left, right, goes down and
955
00:45:27,567 --> 00:45:29,182
did they discuss this with you?
956
00:45:29,183 --> 00:45:30,686
I mean, they said they wanted you to see it.
957
00:45:30,687 --> 00:45:32,974
No, they just wanted no, they
958
00:45:32,975 --> 00:45:35,042
didn't discuss anything with me.
959
00:45:35,043 --> 00:45:37,768
It sat down, we looked around for a bit, and Barry
960
00:45:37,769 --> 00:45:39,586
said, let's go back, and we went back in the lab.
961
00:45:39,587 --> 00:45:41,330
All we got to do was see it.
962
00:45:42,740 --> 00:45:47,090
Fast forward to some months later.
963
00:45:47,620 --> 00:45:50,716
I did have the test flight schedule of the craft.
964
00:45:50,717 --> 00:45:51,878
Now, they had times they
965
00:45:51,879 --> 00:45:54,720
had designated high performance tests.
966
00:45:54,721 --> 00:45:57,178
This obviously wasn't one that
967
00:45:57,179 --> 00:45:58,922
was a high performance test.
968
00:45:58,923 --> 00:46:03,642
The high performance test goes above the mountain range, and
969
00:46:03,643 --> 00:46:05,642
they do much more radical moves with the thing.
970
00:46:05,643 --> 00:46:09,498
Look, this is a prized item, and they're not doing
971
00:46:09,499 --> 00:46:11,748
anything like taking it out of the atmosphere or flying
972
00:46:11,749 --> 00:46:13,886
around to other countries or anything like that.
973
00:46:13,887 --> 00:46:15,182
They just play with this thing
974
00:46:15,183 --> 00:46:16,570
right over the test site.
975
00:46:17,100 --> 00:46:19,922
But they were doing some radical moves with it.
976
00:46:19,923 --> 00:46:22,376
And since I had the test flight schedule,
977
00:46:22,377 --> 00:46:28,168
statistically, the amount of traffic in the surrounding
978
00:46:28,169 --> 00:46:31,512
areas on the highway was lowest on Wednesdays.
979
00:46:31,513 --> 00:46:35,206
And that's why Dennis told us that all the test
980
00:46:35,207 --> 00:46:39,302
flights occurred only on Wednesdays, because it'd be the least
981
00:46:39,303 --> 00:46:41,766
chance that anyone would see what's going on.
982
00:46:41,767 --> 00:46:45,536
And this was before the government had expanded
983
00:46:45,537 --> 00:46:49,696
the forbidden territory around Area 51 and Papus
984
00:46:49,697 --> 00:46:52,090
Lake and all that stuff, right? Yeah.
985
00:46:52,091 --> 00:46:55,690
I think that occurred after my story came out.
986
00:46:55,691 --> 00:46:58,272
Then people started going up on the mountaintops
987
00:46:58,273 --> 00:47:00,526
and trying to look down into there, and
988
00:47:00,527 --> 00:47:02,078
they kind of freaked out and then did
989
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:04,814
the land grab and pushed everybody back.
990
00:47:04,815 --> 00:47:07,326
But, yeah, I think all that occurred long
991
00:47:07,327 --> 00:47:10,850
after I'm sorry that I came out.
992
00:47:10,851 --> 00:47:14,008
So you're working there, and while you're
993
00:47:14,009 --> 00:47:16,640
working there, you're under this crazy schedule.
994
00:47:16,641 --> 00:47:20,500
Forgive me for explaining your story, but you
995
00:47:20,501 --> 00:47:22,662
would get these phone calls you would have
996
00:47:22,663 --> 00:47:27,366
to go to the airport at 11:00 p.m..
997
00:47:27,367 --> 00:47:29,158
And your wife started thinking that
998
00:47:29,159 --> 00:47:30,480
you were having an affair.
999
00:47:31,540 --> 00:47:33,578
Yeah, apparently so.
1000
00:47:33,579 --> 00:47:37,658
Now, I did give my permission to have as part
1001
00:47:37,659 --> 00:47:43,418
of the security clearance process, I gave written permission to
1002
00:47:43,419 --> 00:47:45,822
have the phones monitored and things of that sort.
1003
00:47:45,823 --> 00:47:49,982
So they weren't doing any covert stuff with
1004
00:47:49,983 --> 00:47:53,588
any queue clearance, which is civilian top secret
1005
00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:55,716
clearance or military top secret clearance.
1006
00:47:55,717 --> 00:47:59,858
They go talk to friends and places you've been,
1007
00:47:59,859 --> 00:48:02,082
make sure you're not connected to foreign countries, but,
1008
00:48:02,083 --> 00:48:05,064
you know, monitoring your phone is nothing unusual.
1009
00:48:05,065 --> 00:48:10,066
However, they insisted that, you know, you don't even
1010
00:48:10,067 --> 00:48:12,438
talk to your loved one, to your partner, to
1011
00:48:12,439 --> 00:48:14,886
your wife, whatever, about what's going on.
1012
00:48:14,887 --> 00:48:17,446
So she was essentially in the dark and
1013
00:48:17,447 --> 00:48:19,660
didn't know the phone was being monitored.
1014
00:48:19,661 --> 00:48:24,998
Well, part of the security clearance is that not
1015
00:48:24,999 --> 00:48:26,912
only do you not have any connections to foreign
1016
00:48:26,913 --> 00:48:29,274
countries and aren't a maniac, but you have to
1017
00:48:29,275 --> 00:48:31,258
have a stable home life, too.
1018
00:48:31,259 --> 00:48:32,618
Well, she started having an
1019
00:48:32,619 --> 00:48:35,120
affair with a flight instructor.
1020
00:48:35,121 --> 00:48:37,626
Now, they were monitoring this on the phone
1021
00:48:37,627 --> 00:48:39,412
and they knew it and I didn't.
1022
00:48:39,413 --> 00:48:42,318
So they stopped me coming in.
1023
00:48:42,319 --> 00:48:46,174
And their attitude at the time was, we need to
1024
00:48:46,175 --> 00:48:48,702
see how this is going to play out and if
1025
00:48:48,703 --> 00:48:50,914
Lazar is going to get a little weird or anything.
1026
00:48:50,915 --> 00:48:54,562
So let's just hold him off from
1027
00:48:54,563 --> 00:48:58,098
coming in and see what happens.
1028
00:48:58,099 --> 00:49:00,530
And they explain this to you, what was happening?
1029
00:49:00,531 --> 00:49:03,702
Well, after the fact, yeah, because time kind of went
1030
00:49:03,703 --> 00:49:07,830
on and there were guys that were following me around
1031
00:49:07,831 --> 00:49:11,228
and I started getting a little concerned, going, well, chit,
1032
00:49:11,229 --> 00:49:14,166
are they booting me out of the project?
1033
00:49:14,167 --> 00:49:17,978
And if so, they're not just going to let me hang out
1034
00:49:17,979 --> 00:49:21,146
at home and go get a new job knowing what I know.
1035
00:49:21,147 --> 00:49:24,282
So as time went on, I started getting
1036
00:49:24,283 --> 00:49:27,392
a little concerned and I took my closest
1037
00:49:27,393 --> 00:49:29,050
friends and just kind of got together.
1038
00:49:29,051 --> 00:49:33,260
I said, hey, remember that job I told you about?
1039
00:49:33,261 --> 00:49:36,884
This is what's going on and you don't
1040
00:49:36,885 --> 00:49:38,894
need to take my word for it.
1041
00:49:38,895 --> 00:49:41,298
Wednesday night, we need to all go out here.
1042
00:49:41,299 --> 00:49:42,786
I want to show you what's going on.
1043
00:49:42,787 --> 00:49:46,498
So I took everybody and we went out to
1044
00:49:46,499 --> 00:49:49,346
remember since I had the test flight schedule, and
1045
00:49:49,347 --> 00:49:52,920
went outside the base out into the desert.
1046
00:49:52,921 --> 00:49:55,916
And so everybody could see one of the high performance
1047
00:49:55,917 --> 00:49:59,894
tests and it left quite an imprint on everybody.
1048
00:49:59,895 --> 00:50:01,238
So they knew I wasn't and
1049
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,462
there's videos of these tests, right? Yeah.
1050
00:50:03,463 --> 00:50:06,118
But remember, this is in the it's in
1051
00:50:06,119 --> 00:50:09,088
the dark in the big monster size camcorder
1052
00:50:09,089 --> 00:50:11,834
and you got a bright light jumping around.
1053
00:50:11,835 --> 00:50:14,234
But yeah, I mean, we did video of
1054
00:50:14,235 --> 00:50:17,072
it, but there's no by today's standards.
1055
00:50:17,073 --> 00:50:19,374
But is your video specifically available,
1056
00:50:19,375 --> 00:50:21,022
the video that you took?
1057
00:50:21,023 --> 00:50:23,022
Well, George Knapp has it.
1058
00:50:23,023 --> 00:50:24,302
Is it online?
1059
00:50:24,303 --> 00:50:25,972
I have no idea. Jeremy?
1060
00:50:25,973 --> 00:50:27,860
Yeah, I show clips of it in my film.
1061
00:50:27,861 --> 00:50:30,830
It's online, and someone did a deep analysis of it.
1062
00:50:30,831 --> 00:50:33,538
It was interesting to take a look at how pull
1063
00:50:33,539 --> 00:50:35,458
this microphone up to your face about a fist from
1064
00:50:35,459 --> 00:50:39,586
your face to see how his video looks now.
1065
00:50:39,587 --> 00:50:41,634
But as far as video evidence, I
1066
00:50:41,635 --> 00:50:43,528
mean, we are talking 80s camphors.
1067
00:50:43,529 --> 00:50:45,942
The most important thing is the human story here.
1068
00:50:45,943 --> 00:50:48,230
Everybody that he took up there on three
1069
00:50:48,231 --> 00:50:50,838
separate occasions, they don't all like each other.
1070
00:50:50,839 --> 00:50:52,038
They don't all talk.
1071
00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:53,862
They all agree on one thing.
1072
00:50:53,863 --> 00:50:56,342
They saw something that night at the exact point
1073
00:50:56,343 --> 00:50:58,202
in time and space that Bob Lazar said.
1074
00:50:58,203 --> 00:51:02,010
And remember, this is 1715, 17 miles south of Air 51.
1075
00:51:02,011 --> 00:51:04,026
No one even knew really about Air 51.
1076
00:51:04,027 --> 00:51:05,552
We're talking Papus Lake.
1077
00:51:05,553 --> 00:51:07,658
And they all agree they saw something that
1078
00:51:07,659 --> 00:51:09,648
night they had never seen before and they've
1079
00:51:09,649 --> 00:51:11,838
never seen since right when he said it.
1080
00:51:11,839 --> 00:51:13,422
So that's one of, like, the six things
1081
00:51:13,423 --> 00:51:15,150
where I'm like, how did he know?
1082
00:51:15,151 --> 00:51:16,398
You can dismiss him.
1083
00:51:16,399 --> 00:51:18,948
I tried to dismiss it, but some things we can't
1084
00:51:18,949 --> 00:51:21,698
get around, and there's about five or six of them.
1085
00:51:21,699 --> 00:51:22,738
How did he know about those?
1086
00:51:22,739 --> 00:51:24,002
If Jamie wants to find that video
1087
00:51:24,003 --> 00:51:27,580
right now, what would he look under? Bob Lazar. UFO.
1088
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,106
S four Area 51.
1089
00:51:31,107 --> 00:51:32,278
Just kind of like that.
1090
00:51:32,279 --> 00:51:35,046
So it's like the S four UFO video.
1091
00:51:35,047 --> 00:51:37,430
Bob Lazar and a guy does an analysis, but
1092
00:51:37,431 --> 00:51:42,572
you're analyzing these 80s videos from the very beginning.
1093
00:51:42,573 --> 00:51:45,222
Bob never said, I have proof of my
1094
00:51:45,223 --> 00:51:46,618
story and I'm going to tell the world.
1095
00:51:46,619 --> 00:51:49,866
He said at the very beginning, I cannot prove my story.
1096
00:51:49,867 --> 00:51:51,818
That's not why I'm telling this.
1097
00:51:51,819 --> 00:51:53,882
George Knapp convinced him to tell
1098
00:51:53,883 --> 00:51:55,614
people, and he lived through it.
1099
00:51:55,615 --> 00:51:56,910
And I didn't believe it either
1100
00:51:56,911 --> 00:51:59,060
until I talked with George.
1101
00:51:59,061 --> 00:52:04,302
Okay, so you filmed this test flight, one
1102
00:52:04,303 --> 00:52:06,780
test flight and then you get caught.
1103
00:52:06,781 --> 00:52:09,410
Actually, it was, I think, the third time
1104
00:52:09,411 --> 00:52:12,670
because we went out there the first time.
1105
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:14,802
Everybody saw it.
1106
00:52:14,803 --> 00:52:16,706
Everybody was amazed because it did some
1107
00:52:16,707 --> 00:52:20,610
radical maneuvers and everybody had a lot
1108
00:52:20,611 --> 00:52:21,698
of maneuvers that I've seen.
1109
00:52:21,699 --> 00:52:22,750
I've seen the video.
1110
00:52:23,540 --> 00:52:25,078
I don't think there's something we
1111
00:52:25,079 --> 00:52:26,806
have now that does that. No.
1112
00:52:26,807 --> 00:52:30,854
In terms of, like, a human piloted craft, I don't know.
1113
00:52:30,855 --> 00:52:33,116
Obviously what the government no, it's impossible.
1114
00:52:33,117 --> 00:52:34,502
Nothing can move like that.
1115
00:52:34,503 --> 00:52:36,042
And remember, we didn't start
1116
00:52:36,043 --> 00:52:37,860
filming from the very beginning.
1117
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,306
We were waiting for something to happen.
1118
00:52:41,307 --> 00:52:43,658
The craft took off and then came flying at
1119
00:52:43,659 --> 00:52:46,202
us, stopped, turned at a right angle, flew back,
1120
00:52:46,203 --> 00:52:49,658
and then after, it did some amazing stuff to
1121
00:52:49,659 --> 00:52:51,872
get the camera, and then we started filming.
1122
00:52:51,873 --> 00:52:53,902
So it doesn't have all of it on there.
1123
00:52:53,903 --> 00:52:55,998
It just has some the way I describe it to
1124
00:52:55,999 --> 00:52:57,486
my friends, and they said, what does this look like?
1125
00:52:57,487 --> 00:52:59,838
I said, take a laser pointer and then have
1126
00:52:59,839 --> 00:53:01,982
a wall and then move it around the wall.
1127
00:53:01,983 --> 00:53:03,538
Like, you know how it moves around the wall.
1128
00:53:03,539 --> 00:53:04,978
It doesn't seem like it has anything to
1129
00:53:04,979 --> 00:53:07,746
do with inertia or physics or it's not
1130
00:53:07,747 --> 00:53:10,008
impeded in any way by the atmosphere.
1131
00:53:10,009 --> 00:53:11,222
Yeah, that's what it looks like.
1132
00:53:11,223 --> 00:53:14,982
You're essentially separated from reality, as crazy as that
1133
00:53:14,983 --> 00:53:20,396
sounds, with being in case its own gravitational envelope,
1134
00:53:20,397 --> 00:53:22,406
inertia is not going to affect it.
1135
00:53:22,407 --> 00:53:26,848
And this is how some of those recent
1136
00:53:26,849 --> 00:53:29,424
sightings of Commander David Fraver, I'm sure you've
1137
00:53:29,425 --> 00:53:31,280
heard of the Tic TAC, UFO.
1138
00:53:31,281 --> 00:53:34,202
I mean, he describes exactly that the thing
1139
00:53:34,203 --> 00:53:36,544
operates exactly the way I was describing.
1140
00:53:36,545 --> 00:53:39,610
That's why he was interested to talk to me.
1141
00:53:40,220 --> 00:53:44,766
But we saw this, and on the way home,
1142
00:53:44,767 --> 00:53:46,638
it's like, way we got away with it, we
1143
00:53:46,639 --> 00:53:49,022
should try it again the next test flight day.
1144
00:53:49,023 --> 00:53:52,162
So this became a thing to do, and I think
1145
00:53:52,163 --> 00:53:55,880
it was on the third time that we got caught.
1146
00:53:55,881 --> 00:53:58,856
I mean, we started becoming a little careless,
1147
00:53:58,857 --> 00:54:01,010
I think we took a motorhome out there.
1148
00:54:01,700 --> 00:54:03,542
It was like the stupidest thing
1149
00:54:03,543 --> 00:54:05,708
you could possibly start tailgating.
1150
00:54:05,709 --> 00:54:07,700
Yeah, it was ridiculous.
1151
00:54:07,701 --> 00:54:09,814
Again, you're in your 20s. Yeah.
1152
00:54:09,815 --> 00:54:15,626
And what was funny was we went out there and my
1153
00:54:15,627 --> 00:54:18,298
friend Gene Huff and I were leaning on the front of
1154
00:54:18,299 --> 00:54:23,674
a vehicle, and just for some reason, we just started talking
1155
00:54:23,675 --> 00:54:28,330
shit like, well, I hope they realize that.
1156
00:54:29,420 --> 00:54:33,726
I don't remember what we were saying, but something
1157
00:54:33,727 --> 00:54:36,388
about attacking the base or something along those lines
1158
00:54:36,389 --> 00:54:40,080
and stealing the craft or something like that.
1159
00:54:40,081 --> 00:54:43,778
And then about 20ft in front of us, we see a
1160
00:54:43,779 --> 00:54:47,906
little green light fall on the ground and roll to us.
1161
00:54:47,907 --> 00:54:50,386
And unbeknownst to us now, it's pitch black.
1162
00:54:50,387 --> 00:54:52,066
You can't see your hand in front of your face.
1163
00:54:52,067 --> 00:54:54,978
There were a bunch of guards standing right out there, and
1164
00:54:54,979 --> 00:54:57,522
they had a night vision scope where they were, like, from
1165
00:54:57,523 --> 00:55:00,098
here to the wall, looking at us, listening to us, and
1166
00:55:00,099 --> 00:55:02,274
the guy dropped it, and the scope rolled over to us,
1167
00:55:02,275 --> 00:55:03,910
and you could see the green screen.
1168
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,910
We turned the lights on, and all these guys are there.
1169
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,538
So we did incredibly stupid stuff and
1170
00:55:12,539 --> 00:55:13,658
got caught, as we should have.
1171
00:55:13,659 --> 00:55:15,178
Because when they catch you and they
1172
00:55:15,179 --> 00:55:16,778
bring you in, then what happens?
1173
00:55:16,779 --> 00:55:20,334
Well, I went in for debriefing the following day.
1174
00:55:20,335 --> 00:55:22,798
I went to Indian Springs Air Force Base, which
1175
00:55:22,799 --> 00:55:26,078
is kind of a defunct base that they used
1176
00:55:26,079 --> 00:55:28,370
to use at the nuclear test site.
1177
00:55:28,371 --> 00:55:32,786
And this is when they brought out the
1178
00:55:32,787 --> 00:55:35,900
transcript of the phone call with my wife.
1179
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,394
And they sat me down and we said, you
1180
00:55:39,395 --> 00:55:41,922
know, when we meant to keep the secret, we
1181
00:55:41,923 --> 00:55:44,226
meant, you can't tell your friends, right?
1182
00:55:44,227 --> 00:55:46,742
And it's just being sarcastic and trying
1183
00:55:46,743 --> 00:55:49,760
to and then they got real serious.
1184
00:55:50,580 --> 00:55:54,218
But this is where they took the transcript out and
1185
00:55:54,219 --> 00:56:00,442
were reading me what my wife and our friend were
1186
00:56:00,443 --> 00:56:04,570
talking about, and it was a hard time.
1187
00:56:04,571 --> 00:56:06,250
So what happens from there?
1188
00:56:08,060 --> 00:56:09,102
What do they do with you?
1189
00:56:09,103 --> 00:56:10,570
Why don't they arrest you.
1190
00:56:13,100 --> 00:56:16,798
I'm not sure exactly they knew what to do, but they
1191
00:56:16,799 --> 00:56:20,558
did let me go that night, and I went home.
1192
00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:22,418
And this is kind of when
1193
00:56:22,419 --> 00:56:24,594
the most stressful part started, because
1194
00:56:24,595 --> 00:56:26,818
you're realizing that you're being monitored. Yeah.
1195
00:56:26,819 --> 00:56:28,882
Now I know, not only am I being
1196
00:56:28,883 --> 00:56:31,180
monitored, but now I know I'm in trouble.
1197
00:56:31,181 --> 00:56:35,820
And it wasn't a short time after that that I contacted.
1198
00:56:35,821 --> 00:56:39,318
At that time, the only investigative reporter I had heard
1199
00:56:39,319 --> 00:56:43,638
of in Las Vegas was George Knapp and told him
1200
00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:45,498
some of the story because I had no idea what
1201
00:56:45,499 --> 00:56:47,338
the hell was going to happen at that point.
1202
00:56:47,339 --> 00:56:52,448
So George Knapp tries to dissect your story, tries
1203
00:56:52,449 --> 00:56:55,418
to find holes in it, tells it, puts it
1204
00:56:55,419 --> 00:56:57,098
online, and makes everybody aware of it.
1205
00:56:57,099 --> 00:56:58,906
And that's how I found out about it. Yeah.
1206
00:56:58,907 --> 00:57:02,718
To make a long story short, what happens yeah, to really
1207
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,182
make a long story short, what happens from there on?
1208
00:57:05,183 --> 00:57:07,684
I mean, do they contact you and say, hey, Bob,
1209
00:57:07,685 --> 00:57:09,630
it's probably a good idea if you shut up?
1210
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,266
Did they try to label you as crazy?
1211
00:57:15,267 --> 00:57:19,138
Was there boy, there were a lot
1212
00:57:19,139 --> 00:57:23,558
of things that happened between that point.
1213
00:57:23,559 --> 00:57:28,050
I'm leaving out a lot of stuff to fill in the story.
1214
00:57:28,580 --> 00:57:30,880
We'd have to go back to Los Alamos.
1215
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,114
Well, I really don't want to talk about that.
1216
00:57:35,115 --> 00:57:40,938
The top secret weapons stuff that you were working on?
1217
00:57:40,939 --> 00:57:43,030
No, I'm talking about the 115.
1218
00:57:46,220 --> 00:57:47,038
Well, I don't know.
1219
00:57:47,039 --> 00:57:48,650
I have to think about how I
1220
00:57:49,420 --> 00:57:52,650
what is the problem with this?
1221
00:57:53,740 --> 00:57:56,436
I don't want to get myself into more trouble by admitting
1222
00:57:56,437 --> 00:57:59,950
something, so I just have to dance around a couple.
1223
00:57:59,951 --> 00:58:02,372
He was rated just during the filming of the movie.
1224
00:58:02,373 --> 00:58:04,402
People thought the movie is great, by the way.
1225
00:58:04,403 --> 00:58:04,946
Thanks, John.
1226
00:58:04,947 --> 00:58:06,882
And it's on Netflix right now if
1227
00:58:06,883 --> 00:58:08,098
anybody wants to check it out.
1228
00:58:08,099 --> 00:58:10,210
And if you're one of those people like me
1229
00:58:10,211 --> 00:58:14,572
who I've always loved the idea of UFOs.
1230
00:58:14,573 --> 00:58:18,022
I became extremely weary talking to people who are
1231
00:58:18,023 --> 00:58:20,838
UFO believers and UFO fanatics because there's so many
1232
00:58:20,839 --> 00:58:22,076
of them that are full of shit.
1233
00:58:22,077 --> 00:58:25,420
And not just full of shit, they're childishly
1234
00:58:25,421 --> 00:58:28,794
delirious, like the way they talk about things.
1235
00:58:28,795 --> 00:58:29,882
I mean, there's so many people
1236
00:58:29,883 --> 00:58:32,360
that are that I'm in contact.
1237
00:58:32,361 --> 00:58:34,618
They reach me in the night and they explain to
1238
00:58:34,619 --> 00:58:37,050
me what we're doing to the ocean is wrong.
1239
00:58:37,900 --> 00:58:39,652
Okay, this is one of the reasons
1240
00:58:39,653 --> 00:58:40,846
I didn't want to do the show.
1241
00:58:40,847 --> 00:58:46,372
I'm sure it's no joke.
1242
00:58:46,373 --> 00:58:49,124
We've had people literally camp out on our front lawn.
1243
00:58:49,125 --> 00:58:54,706
And in some ways, I can relate to some of these people.
1244
00:58:54,707 --> 00:58:56,402
Maybe some of them did really have
1245
00:58:56,403 --> 00:58:58,226
some kind of experience or saw something,
1246
00:58:58,227 --> 00:59:00,210
and all their friends think they're crazy.
1247
00:59:00,211 --> 00:59:02,498
But hey, now there's this guy I heard on the
1248
00:59:02,499 --> 00:59:06,198
radio, and at least he knows I'm not full of
1249
00:59:06,199 --> 00:59:08,102
shit, so I got to talk to him.
1250
00:59:08,103 --> 00:59:11,158
And so most of the correspondence I get are
1251
00:59:11,159 --> 00:59:12,822
people trying to get a hold of me going,
1252
00:59:12,823 --> 00:59:14,634
Bob, you got to listen to me.
1253
00:59:14,635 --> 00:59:16,282
I'm coming to talk to you.
1254
00:59:16,283 --> 00:59:20,442
I'm driving from Oklahoma or whatever, but
1255
00:59:20,443 --> 00:59:22,442
some of them are just fucking bad
1256
00:59:22,443 --> 00:59:24,656
shit, crazy and they're frightening.
1257
00:59:24,657 --> 00:59:26,154
There's a lot of schizophrenics that
1258
00:59:26,155 --> 00:59:29,018
are involved in the conspiracy world.
1259
00:59:29,019 --> 00:59:30,894
There's a lot of people that have real issues.
1260
00:59:30,895 --> 00:59:33,422
Joe, it would be a disservice to your
1261
00:59:33,423 --> 00:59:36,718
audience to not say that we have to
1262
00:59:36,719 --> 00:59:38,430
look at what's going on now and understand.
1263
00:59:38,431 --> 00:59:40,642
I've heard on your show a bunch of stuff
1264
00:59:40,643 --> 00:59:43,266
about what's going on now and to not really
1265
00:59:43,267 --> 00:59:46,872
understand what's going on now, you can't see Bob's
1266
00:59:46,873 --> 00:59:49,506
story in the correct light after 30 years.
1267
00:59:49,507 --> 00:59:51,522
And at some point we should just touch
1268
00:59:51,523 --> 00:59:55,462
upon that, the biggest being that things like
1269
00:59:55,463 --> 00:59:58,038
the Tic TAC UFO case that came out.
1270
00:59:58,039 --> 01:00:00,006
I've heard people even on the show say,
1271
01:00:00,007 --> 01:00:01,884
oh, there's a glitch in the radar.
1272
01:00:01,885 --> 01:00:04,124
That's a data poor perspective.
1273
01:00:04,125 --> 01:00:06,502
You just don't know yet what's really going on.
1274
01:00:06,503 --> 01:00:08,858
Commander Fraver, I was able to get the interview with
1275
01:00:08,859 --> 01:00:11,270
him, to talk with him way before it became public.
1276
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,122
I got that from him. He saw it.
1277
01:00:14,123 --> 01:00:15,786
Other pilots saw it.
1278
01:00:15,787 --> 01:00:18,506
This is a big thing that's going on right now.
1279
01:00:18,507 --> 01:00:21,668
They had more sightings on the East Coast recently.
1280
01:00:21,669 --> 01:00:23,668
Cubes with spherical ores.
1281
01:00:23,669 --> 01:00:25,374
These are not aerodynamic, and these are the
1282
01:00:25,375 --> 01:00:27,380
people we trust to defend us on 911.
1283
01:00:27,381 --> 01:00:30,020
Commander favorite protected Los Angeles on 911.
1284
01:00:30,021 --> 01:00:33,288
So we trust them, but they're not trained observers.
1285
01:00:33,289 --> 01:00:35,682
Radar individuals see these things.
1286
01:00:35,683 --> 01:00:37,858
And the big one just to throw down so
1287
01:00:37,859 --> 01:00:39,352
we can consider a story a little differently.
1288
01:00:39,353 --> 01:00:40,518
There's more depth to it.
1289
01:00:40,519 --> 01:00:42,486
The big one is the United States
1290
01:00:42,487 --> 01:00:44,822
government has admitted that they have been
1291
01:00:44,823 --> 01:00:47,484
continuously studying the UFO phenomenon.
1292
01:00:47,485 --> 01:00:50,092
That program was called ATIP.
1293
01:00:50,093 --> 01:00:53,964
Advanced was called OSSAP.
1294
01:00:53,965 --> 01:00:55,914
That's the mother program.
1295
01:00:55,915 --> 01:00:57,642
George Knapp got that out.
1296
01:00:57,643 --> 01:00:58,698
They announced to The New York
1297
01:00:58,699 --> 01:01:01,392
Times about ATIP But OSSAP.
1298
01:01:01,393 --> 01:01:02,752
These acronyms OSSAP.
1299
01:01:02,753 --> 01:01:03,968
Advanced aerospace, weapons
1300
01:01:03,969 --> 01:01:06,080
systems, applications, program. Who cares?
1301
01:01:06,081 --> 01:01:07,434
That was the mother program.
1302
01:01:07,435 --> 01:01:09,184
So they've admitted, we didn't stop studying
1303
01:01:09,185 --> 01:01:11,582
UFOs in 1969 with Project Blue Book.
1304
01:01:11,583 --> 01:01:12,894
We don't think it's crazy.
1305
01:01:12,895 --> 01:01:15,134
We actually want to reverse engineer the technology.
1306
01:01:15,135 --> 01:01:16,574
That's why on your other show
1307
01:01:16,575 --> 01:01:18,142
you said, what's this AAV thing?
1308
01:01:18,143 --> 01:01:20,078
It's like they're making up another UFO name.
1309
01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:21,586
Well, hold on. There's a reason.
1310
01:01:21,587 --> 01:01:24,658
Because in the documents, the Dia documents that
1311
01:01:24,659 --> 01:01:26,968
George Knapp released that everybody said was fake
1312
01:01:26,969 --> 01:01:29,042
till now they know is real, they call
1313
01:01:29,043 --> 01:01:33,960
them AAVs, which is Advanced Aerospace Vehicles.
1314
01:01:33,961 --> 01:01:35,446
People are getting the acronyms wrong.
1315
01:01:35,447 --> 01:01:38,518
So the reason for the terminology change is so that
1316
01:01:38,519 --> 01:01:41,196
we can mimic what we're reading in the Dia documents.
1317
01:01:41,197 --> 01:01:42,694
People can look for that now.
1318
01:01:42,695 --> 01:01:45,968
So they changed the names to get people away from UFO
1319
01:01:45,969 --> 01:01:49,594
or UAP, even, like Hillary Clinton said on air, right?
1320
01:01:49,595 --> 01:01:51,520
What are you talking about, hillary Clinton?
1321
01:01:51,521 --> 01:01:55,504
Hillary Clinton informed the public on Jimmy Kimmel.
1322
01:01:55,505 --> 01:01:56,224
Oh, Jimmy.
1323
01:01:56,225 --> 01:01:58,180
We don't call them UFOs anymore.
1324
01:01:58,181 --> 01:01:59,716
We call them UAPs.
1325
01:01:59,717 --> 01:02:02,382
Unidentified Aerial phenomenon. Right.
1326
01:02:02,383 --> 01:02:04,158
So she kind of was giving the
1327
01:02:04,159 --> 01:02:06,260
Clintons are very into the UFO topic.
1328
01:02:06,261 --> 01:02:09,134
Senator Reid, he's done a lot for
1329
01:02:09,135 --> 01:02:11,490
the subject, the study of it. Right.
1330
01:02:11,491 --> 01:02:13,314
So she informed the public so they
1331
01:02:13,315 --> 01:02:14,600
could look for the right term.
1332
01:02:14,601 --> 01:02:17,682
So these terms are important because the dia in
1333
01:02:17,683 --> 01:02:21,222
those documents, they've been calling them AAVs for quite
1334
01:02:21,223 --> 01:02:23,366
some time now, and they changed the name to
1335
01:02:23,367 --> 01:02:26,960
anomalous no, that's kind of a misnomer.
1336
01:02:27,940 --> 01:02:29,558
They always mess around with
1337
01:02:29,559 --> 01:02:31,628
things, but it's actually advanced.
1338
01:02:31,629 --> 01:02:33,606
Right, but when they're describing it in the news,
1339
01:02:33,607 --> 01:02:35,920
they were calling it anomalous totally space vehicle.
1340
01:02:35,921 --> 01:02:37,002
Totally. And that's cool.
1341
01:02:37,003 --> 01:02:40,912
They were also saying anomalous aerospace threats AAT.
1342
01:02:40,913 --> 01:02:41,242
Right.
1343
01:02:41,243 --> 01:02:43,264
Because they want the sense of a threat.
1344
01:02:43,265 --> 01:02:46,842
So my point is, if people don't know this now
1345
01:02:46,843 --> 01:02:49,434
and they think this stuff is fantasy, this part of
1346
01:02:49,435 --> 01:02:51,508
it that we're studying it, that we take it seriously,
1347
01:02:51,509 --> 01:02:54,206
we're spending money on it, and that we're getting great
1348
01:02:54,207 --> 01:02:56,852
data from visual pilots to radar.
1349
01:02:56,853 --> 01:02:58,228
That's why we know it's aerospace.
1350
01:02:58,229 --> 01:03:00,686
They dropped from 80,000ft. But guess what?
1351
01:03:00,687 --> 01:03:04,824
That's the top scope of the Spy One radar is 80,000ft.
1352
01:03:04,825 --> 01:03:06,530
So the radar system they were using,
1353
01:03:06,531 --> 01:03:08,178
it was coming from above that.
1354
01:03:08,179 --> 01:03:10,160
So my point is this.
1355
01:03:10,161 --> 01:03:13,672
If you don't understand that this is happening, you're
1356
01:03:13,673 --> 01:03:16,086
just behind the curve because you don't have the
1357
01:03:16,087 --> 01:03:19,046
information because of the stigma that you're talking about.
1358
01:03:19,047 --> 01:03:21,820
I saw you get totally upset with the UFO topic.
1359
01:03:21,821 --> 01:03:22,662
I met you first.
1360
01:03:22,663 --> 01:03:23,754
When you get totally upset with
1361
01:03:23,755 --> 01:03:25,658
the UFO topic, it's the people.
1362
01:03:25,659 --> 01:03:29,402
When you're doing your I'm sorry, man.
1363
01:03:29,403 --> 01:03:30,890
When you're doing your show,
1364
01:03:30,891 --> 01:03:33,034
the Joe Organ questions everything.
1365
01:03:33,035 --> 01:03:36,522
I could see how frustrating is trust
1366
01:03:36,523 --> 01:03:38,202
me, I have been frustrated to hell.
1367
01:03:38,203 --> 01:03:40,324
Luckily, my mentor is George Knapp, and he's taught
1368
01:03:40,325 --> 01:03:43,198
me the pitfalls as I went through it.
1369
01:03:43,199 --> 01:03:45,902
My whole point in this rant right here is
1370
01:03:45,903 --> 01:03:48,052
just that we have to now look at Bob's
1371
01:03:48,053 --> 01:03:51,844
story but knowing the facts, not someone saying it's
1372
01:03:51,845 --> 01:03:54,056
a bird, it's a plane, it's a glitch.
1373
01:03:54,057 --> 01:03:56,178
They're not and so if you don't know
1374
01:03:56,179 --> 01:03:58,082
that, you just don't have the information yet.
1375
01:03:58,083 --> 01:03:58,642
Not just that.
1376
01:03:58,643 --> 01:04:02,258
Knowing the facts as we know him in 2019, not in 1988.
1377
01:04:02,259 --> 01:04:02,910
Absolutely.
1378
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,662
So what has he said that has come true?
1379
01:04:06,663 --> 01:04:08,662
He's totally unimpressed with it. Right?
1380
01:04:08,663 --> 01:04:09,846
What has he said that's come true?
1381
01:04:09,847 --> 01:04:11,388
So I was like, Bob, they've
1382
01:04:11,389 --> 01:04:13,404
announced gravity as a wave.
1383
01:04:13,405 --> 01:04:15,404
You were right, man. You're vindicated.
1384
01:04:15,405 --> 01:04:17,018
And he looks at me and he's like, well,
1385
01:04:17,019 --> 01:04:18,538
if you think about it, Jeremy, I had like
1386
01:04:18,539 --> 01:04:22,682
a 50 50 chance he was not very impressed. Right.
1387
01:04:22,683 --> 01:04:25,104
When did they announce gravity as a wave?
1388
01:04:25,105 --> 01:04:26,618
So they detected in a
1389
01:04:26,619 --> 01:04:29,024
sense, they detected gravity waves.
1390
01:04:29,025 --> 01:04:30,440
Who is they?
1391
01:04:30,441 --> 01:04:31,422
You might know more.
1392
01:04:31,423 --> 01:04:33,294
There's two black holes that were colliding and
1393
01:04:33,295 --> 01:04:35,102
that's how they were able to detect yeah.
1394
01:04:35,103 --> 01:04:37,518
Somebody built I don't know which group it was or
1395
01:04:37,519 --> 01:04:40,322
what part of the government that's what Google's for.
1396
01:04:40,323 --> 01:04:44,408
Yeah, but they built a gigantic gravity
1397
01:04:44,409 --> 01:04:48,562
wave detector and pretty much detected did
1398
01:04:48,563 --> 01:04:50,792
there are such things as gravity waves.
1399
01:04:50,793 --> 01:04:53,576
First observation of gravitational waves.
1400
01:04:53,577 --> 01:04:56,966
It says it was in 2016. Okay.
1401
01:04:56,967 --> 01:04:59,382
The first observation of gravitational waves was made
1402
01:04:59,383 --> 01:05:02,998
on 14 September 2015, as announced by the
1403
01:05:02,999 --> 01:05:07,360
LIGO and Virgo collaborators on the 11 February
1404
01:05:07,361 --> 01:05:11,072
2016 previously, gravitational waves had only been inferred
1405
01:05:11,073 --> 01:05:14,426
indirectly via their effect on the timing of
1406
01:05:14,427 --> 01:05:16,800
pulsars in binary star systems.
1407
01:05:16,801 --> 01:05:18,600
Dun dun dum.
1408
01:05:18,601 --> 01:05:24,734
The waveform connected by both LIGO LIGO observatories matched the
1409
01:05:24,735 --> 01:05:33,426
predictions of general relativity for a gravitational wave emanating from
1410
01:05:33,427 --> 01:05:36,520
the inward I'm trying to get this from the inward
1411
01:05:36,521 --> 01:05:40,050
spiral and merger of a pair of black holes around
1412
01:05:40,051 --> 01:05:44,774
36 and 29 solar masses and the subsequent ring down
1413
01:05:44,775 --> 01:05:47,676
of the single resulting black hole.
1414
01:05:47,677 --> 01:05:50,518
Well, yeah, it's no, he was in.
1415
01:05:50,519 --> 01:05:53,228
The predominant theory was gravity
1416
01:05:53,229 --> 01:05:55,730
is produced by gravitons okay.
1417
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:58,496
Theoretical particles.
1418
01:05:58,497 --> 01:06:00,672
But they're not they're waves.
1419
01:06:00,673 --> 01:06:02,200
They're not particles.
1420
01:06:02,201 --> 01:06:05,408
The thought is that the way we experience gravity,
1421
01:06:05,409 --> 01:06:08,768
it's based on mass, which is why the Moon,
1422
01:06:08,769 --> 01:06:11,614
which is roughly one quarter the size of the
1423
01:06:11,615 --> 01:06:13,652
Earth, has one 6th of the Earth's gravity.
1424
01:06:13,653 --> 01:06:14,948
So there's some sort of a computation
1425
01:06:14,949 --> 01:06:16,990
you can make based on mass. Right.
1426
01:06:16,991 --> 01:06:21,668
And remember, we can observe the effects of gravity,
1427
01:06:21,669 --> 01:06:24,722
but we have no idea what it is.
1428
01:06:24,723 --> 01:06:27,202
All we can do is observe it, and we can't make it.
1429
01:06:27,203 --> 01:06:29,522
The only way you can make gravity is just putting
1430
01:06:29,523 --> 01:06:32,540
more mass together, and it's just a product of gravity.
1431
01:06:32,541 --> 01:06:35,846
But if you have a machine that makes
1432
01:06:35,847 --> 01:06:38,918
gravity, you can pretty much do anything.
1433
01:06:38,919 --> 01:06:42,140
You can affect time, you can have force fields,
1434
01:06:42,141 --> 01:06:45,552
all that stuff that's, in science fiction becomes reality
1435
01:06:45,553 --> 01:06:48,528
if you have a machine that can make gravity.
1436
01:06:48,529 --> 01:06:49,994
And what we worked on in the
1437
01:06:49,995 --> 01:06:53,104
desert was a machine that makes gravity.
1438
01:06:53,105 --> 01:06:55,598
I love your analogy of dropping off a
1439
01:06:55,599 --> 01:06:58,532
small nuclear reactor to the Victorian era.
1440
01:06:58,533 --> 01:07:01,262
I love that analogy because
1441
01:07:01,263 --> 01:07:03,236
back then, that was impossible.
1442
01:07:03,237 --> 01:07:04,940
That was magic.
1443
01:07:04,941 --> 01:07:06,910
What you're talking about here.
1444
01:07:06,911 --> 01:07:09,454
The fact that they just discovered this four
1445
01:07:09,455 --> 01:07:12,640
years ago, that this is a wave.
1446
01:07:12,641 --> 01:07:14,658
As much as we know and as impressed as
1447
01:07:14,659 --> 01:07:17,090
we are, as we should be with how much
1448
01:07:17,091 --> 01:07:20,444
more technologically advanced we are than every other creature
1449
01:07:20,445 --> 01:07:23,014
on this planet, we're still, in many ways, in
1450
01:07:23,015 --> 01:07:26,050
the adolescence of technological innovation. Absolutely.
1451
01:07:27,300 --> 01:07:29,308
If even adolescence.
1452
01:07:29,309 --> 01:07:33,430
And when you're talking about this binary star system
1453
01:07:33,431 --> 01:07:37,194
and Zeta Reticuli and who knows how much longer
1454
01:07:37,195 --> 01:07:38,954
these things have been around than us?
1455
01:07:38,955 --> 01:07:41,962
Who knows what their evolutionary cycle has been?
1456
01:07:41,963 --> 01:07:43,480
Who knows?
1457
01:07:43,481 --> 01:07:44,864
We might be talking about something that's
1458
01:07:44,865 --> 01:07:46,814
a million years more advanced than us.
1459
01:07:46,815 --> 01:07:48,890
Yeah, it could easily be.
1460
01:07:50,700 --> 01:07:52,820
Believe it or not, I'm not into UFOs.
1461
01:07:52,821 --> 01:07:54,340
I don't follow stories.
1462
01:07:54,341 --> 01:07:56,804
Or even after your experiences?
1463
01:07:56,805 --> 01:08:01,298
No, I'm fascinated with the technology, and it irks me.
1464
01:08:01,299 --> 01:08:02,872
Like, every night I go to sleep
1465
01:08:02,873 --> 01:08:08,460
that it was my own doing, essentially.
1466
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:12,690
That prevented me from continuing on in the project.
1467
01:08:14,100 --> 01:08:15,638
To be on that cutting edge of
1468
01:08:15,639 --> 01:08:18,774
technology is so alluring to me, right?
1469
01:08:18,775 --> 01:08:23,526
But by the same token, I don't really care
1470
01:08:23,527 --> 01:08:25,366
that there's aliens or where they come from.
1471
01:08:25,367 --> 01:08:27,258
I mean, the prize is the technology,
1472
01:08:27,259 --> 01:08:29,162
and that's what I'm fascinated by.
1473
01:08:29,163 --> 01:08:31,337
So I don't listen to UFO stories and that sort
1474
01:08:31,338 --> 01:08:35,818
of thing, but George Knapp, he's the guy that has
1475
01:08:35,819 --> 01:08:39,837
the contacts and tries to thread everything together, and what
1476
01:08:39,838 --> 01:08:42,877
he recently told me is he found, I don't know,
1477
01:08:42,878 --> 01:08:45,438
is either documentation or people that he spoke to.
1478
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:47,870
It's at the existence of this project,
1479
01:08:47,871 --> 01:08:49,442
the project that I was on.
1480
01:08:49,443 --> 01:08:53,362
It's something that they seem to take
1481
01:08:53,363 --> 01:08:54,993
out every eight or ten years.
1482
01:08:54,994 --> 01:08:58,993
So that's a very specific memo, and this is the
1483
01:08:58,994 --> 01:09:00,913
first time I'll be very clear with people about it.
1484
01:09:00,914 --> 01:09:03,221
It's a big topic of conversation right now.
1485
01:09:03,222 --> 01:09:05,260
It's called the Wilson memo.
1486
01:09:05,261 --> 01:09:06,566
You can look it up.
1487
01:09:06,567 --> 01:09:09,782
Admiral Wilson met with a scientist who actually
1488
01:09:09,783 --> 01:09:11,804
was featured in one of my films.
1489
01:09:11,805 --> 01:09:14,486
Everybody has been debating whether or not this
1490
01:09:14,487 --> 01:09:19,184
document of a conversation with a sitting admiral
1491
01:09:19,185 --> 01:09:21,536
at the time is a real document.
1492
01:09:21,537 --> 01:09:23,242
It's an actual conversation that happened,
1493
01:09:23,243 --> 01:09:24,874
and this document is real. Everybody wants to know.
1494
01:09:24,875 --> 01:09:27,305
The world is going crazy right now in the UFO world.
1495
01:09:27,306 --> 01:09:30,718
I'll tell you straight up right now, I'm in the position to
1496
01:09:30,719 --> 01:09:34,974
know, and it is a real document that it is real.
1497
01:09:34,975 --> 01:09:36,718
So the conversation you read in
1498
01:09:36,719 --> 01:09:39,166
that that conversation was had.
1499
01:09:39,167 --> 01:09:41,746
I can't attest to every you're not being very clear.
1500
01:09:41,747 --> 01:09:43,810
Sure, please, no problem.
1501
01:09:43,811 --> 01:09:45,761
So there was a document that is
1502
01:09:45,762 --> 01:09:47,729
circulating right now that is really big.
1503
01:09:47,730 --> 01:09:48,872
It's going around everywhere.
1504
01:09:48,873 --> 01:09:50,840
People are asking, what is this document?
1505
01:09:50,841 --> 01:09:52,870
It's called the Wilson Memo is
1506
01:09:52,871 --> 01:09:54,210
how you can find it online.
1507
01:09:54,900 --> 01:09:57,638
Or the Wilson leak. There it is. Jimmy's got it.
1508
01:09:57,639 --> 01:09:59,148
The Wilson memorandum.
1509
01:09:59,149 --> 01:10:00,348
Use of human vulnerability.
1510
01:10:00,349 --> 01:10:03,060
No, that's not it.
1511
01:10:03,061 --> 01:10:07,798
So Admiral Wilson meets with this scientist, and
1512
01:10:07,799 --> 01:10:10,250
they have this discussion, oddly enough, at special
1513
01:10:10,251 --> 01:10:11,770
Projects at E, G and G.
1514
01:10:11,771 --> 01:10:14,202
And if I remember, the document is from 2001.
1515
01:10:14,203 --> 01:10:16,330
I'm telling everybody right now it's real.
1516
01:10:16,331 --> 01:10:17,162
And we'll see.
1517
01:10:17,163 --> 01:10:18,666
My history is pretty good with, like,
1518
01:10:18,667 --> 01:10:21,134
saying if something's real or not, right? So here we go.
1519
01:10:21,135 --> 01:10:22,158
The document comes out.
1520
01:10:22,159 --> 01:10:26,318
They meet at Eg and G Special Projects in 1989.
1521
01:10:26,319 --> 01:10:28,702
They they stumble into a problem.
1522
01:10:28,703 --> 01:10:29,806
This happens.
1523
01:10:29,807 --> 01:10:32,818
They put the technology away, and then they bring
1524
01:10:32,819 --> 01:10:35,266
it back out and see if material science has
1525
01:10:35,267 --> 01:10:37,624
caught up and if they can make any progress.
1526
01:10:37,625 --> 01:10:40,306
So this document kind of talks about this process.
1527
01:10:40,307 --> 01:10:41,938
The big thing I get from it, and
1528
01:10:41,939 --> 01:10:43,596
a lot of it's vindicating to Bob.
1529
01:10:43,597 --> 01:10:45,638
And one of the things that's vindicating besides the
1530
01:10:45,639 --> 01:10:49,164
Eg and G thing is that private industry.
1531
01:10:49,165 --> 01:10:52,358
So this guy's an admiral, and he says, I
1532
01:10:52,359 --> 01:10:55,210
found out about your SAP, your special access program.
1533
01:10:55,211 --> 01:10:56,810
I need to know about it.
1534
01:10:56,811 --> 01:10:59,482
And he's going to a private part of
1535
01:10:59,483 --> 01:11:03,242
industry, and he is denied access, and he
1536
01:11:03,243 --> 01:11:05,914
says, I should be running this program.
1537
01:11:05,915 --> 01:11:08,922
And they were able to deny him access.
1538
01:11:08,923 --> 01:11:11,726
So I think the takeaway here is, check it out.
1539
01:11:11,727 --> 01:11:14,270
I'm telling you that that is an actual correct.
1540
01:11:14,271 --> 01:11:15,156
That is a leak.
1541
01:11:15,157 --> 01:11:17,134
Now, everything said in that document I
1542
01:11:17,135 --> 01:11:18,590
don't know what are you talking about?
1543
01:11:18,591 --> 01:11:20,200
What is said in that document specifically?
1544
01:11:20,201 --> 01:11:23,362
It's between a scientist and an admiral that are
1545
01:11:23,363 --> 01:11:26,130
sitting and they're having a meeting, and they're talking
1546
01:11:26,131 --> 01:11:30,002
about the search for the UFO subject, the search
1547
01:11:30,003 --> 01:11:33,638
to get special access, program access to all of
1548
01:11:33,639 --> 01:11:37,244
these different things like reverse engineering programs.
1549
01:11:37,245 --> 01:11:40,340
So in this document, they talk about it.
1550
01:11:40,341 --> 01:11:43,782
I believe that this document, that the person that went
1551
01:11:43,783 --> 01:11:46,214
was employed by Robert Bigelow, one of the guys that
1552
01:11:46,215 --> 01:11:48,266
has a couple of orbiting satellites and all that stuff.
1553
01:11:48,267 --> 01:11:48,736
Who's?
1554
01:11:48,737 --> 01:11:51,594
The guy owns Skinwalker Ranch. No, he's not.
1555
01:11:51,595 --> 01:11:54,426
He was the guy that owned Skinwalker. Okay.
1556
01:11:54,427 --> 01:11:55,338
Yeah, he used to own it.
1557
01:11:55,339 --> 01:11:57,738
There's a new owner, and I interview him for
1558
01:11:57,739 --> 01:12:00,398
my other film, but there's a new owner, and
1559
01:12:00,399 --> 01:12:02,798
you'll be hearing a lot more about that soon.
1560
01:12:02,799 --> 01:12:06,142
But there's stuff that you'll be hearing about
1561
01:12:06,143 --> 01:12:08,132
Skinwalker Ranch soon because there's a new owner.
1562
01:12:08,133 --> 01:12:10,968
Anyway, the whole point of this insertion
1563
01:12:10,969 --> 01:12:14,338
here is just that that document kind
1564
01:12:14,339 --> 01:12:16,610
of validates a lot of this idea.
1565
01:12:16,611 --> 01:12:19,272
Bob just said that they make a little progress,
1566
01:12:19,273 --> 01:12:21,586
then they can't go anywhere, they tuck it away,
1567
01:12:21,587 --> 01:12:24,166
and then they bring it back out ten years
1568
01:12:24,167 --> 01:12:26,038
later and start working on it.
1569
01:12:26,039 --> 01:12:27,388
What is the limiting factor?
1570
01:12:27,389 --> 01:12:28,534
I think Bob should speak on
1571
01:12:28,535 --> 01:12:31,238
this, but it's the material science. Yeah.
1572
01:12:31,239 --> 01:12:33,558
It's really where physics is, so
1573
01:12:33,559 --> 01:12:35,066
I can see them doing that.
1574
01:12:35,067 --> 01:12:39,162
I mean, I didn't have any information on that, but
1575
01:12:39,163 --> 01:12:43,802
I think what George uncovered is probably accurate, that we
1576
01:12:43,803 --> 01:12:46,042
try and do what we can, and once we reach
1577
01:12:46,043 --> 01:12:49,038
a roadblock on, we really can't figure it out.
1578
01:12:49,039 --> 01:12:52,446
It's just friggin wait, put the thing away, wait
1579
01:12:52,447 --> 01:12:55,486
for science to catch up, and a decade later,
1580
01:12:55,487 --> 01:12:57,406
let's take the project out again and see.
1581
01:12:57,407 --> 01:12:59,902
All right, now where can we go? But there's got to be
1582
01:12:59,903 --> 01:13:02,642
someone who remains informed, right? Oh, yeah.
1583
01:13:02,643 --> 01:13:05,576
You've got your scientists like you and Barry.
1584
01:13:05,577 --> 01:13:07,432
You got your people that you compartmentalize.
1585
01:13:07,433 --> 01:13:08,578
You got these people working. Yeah.
1586
01:13:08,579 --> 01:13:11,394
There has to be some people that know everything.
1587
01:13:11,395 --> 01:13:14,114
You've got security and then someone's going
1588
01:13:14,115 --> 01:13:15,926
to be on the outside saying, hey,
1589
01:13:15,927 --> 01:13:17,654
we need people to guard this building.
1590
01:13:17,655 --> 01:13:19,526
Don't let anybody in for ten years.
1591
01:13:19,527 --> 01:13:21,868
I think a lot of that is private industry,
1592
01:13:21,869 --> 01:13:23,302
and I think that's how they keep it.
1593
01:13:23,303 --> 01:13:24,828
Yeah, I think that's how they literally
1594
01:13:24,829 --> 01:13:27,520
because the government is just so leaky.
1595
01:13:27,521 --> 01:13:29,306
I think that's kind of what they're doing.
1596
01:13:29,307 --> 01:13:30,912
That's what the document kind of proves.
1597
01:13:30,913 --> 01:13:33,258
You just articulated that, that it
1598
01:13:33,259 --> 01:13:34,656
is in control of private industry.
1599
01:13:34,657 --> 01:13:36,164
What private industry?
1600
01:13:36,165 --> 01:13:38,478
Some aerospace company, something. I don't know.
1601
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:40,958
Yeah, the Admiral wouldn't name it
1602
01:13:40,959 --> 01:13:43,100
in the car in the conversation.
1603
01:13:43,101 --> 01:13:46,062
So they still have these
1604
01:13:46,063 --> 01:13:49,710
things supposedly, I would guess.
1605
01:13:49,711 --> 01:13:51,922
I mean, I don't have any information on have you
1606
01:13:51,923 --> 01:13:57,234
ever asked anyone that has any inkling of any idea
1607
01:13:57,235 --> 01:14:00,082
of where they got them or how they got them?
1608
01:14:00,083 --> 01:14:04,210
No, but something must have been said to me
1609
01:14:05,140 --> 01:14:09,142
from Barry, but it was just too long ago.
1610
01:14:09,143 --> 01:14:11,958
And I can't quite remember what was said, but
1611
01:14:11,959 --> 01:14:13,686
it just left a seed in my mind.
1612
01:14:13,687 --> 01:14:15,094
I think at least one of them
1613
01:14:15,095 --> 01:14:17,270
was part of an archaeological dig.
1614
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:20,550
So it's old.
1615
01:14:21,480 --> 01:14:23,066
At least one of them is old.
1616
01:14:23,067 --> 01:14:24,538
I don't know if it was the one I worked on,
1617
01:14:24,539 --> 01:14:28,206
but I remember something to do with an archaeological dig.
1618
01:14:28,207 --> 01:14:28,948
Whoa.
1619
01:14:28,949 --> 01:14:32,436
So that means it's not just old, it's ancient.
1620
01:14:32,437 --> 01:14:34,436
That'd be a great Steven Spielberg movie.
1621
01:14:34,437 --> 01:14:35,530
Yeah, right?
1622
01:14:37,020 --> 01:14:38,350
As all of it would.
1623
01:14:38,351 --> 01:14:39,438
Yeah, that tripped me out when he
1624
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:41,054
said that for the first time.
1625
01:14:41,055 --> 01:14:42,242
That's a freak out. Right?
1626
01:14:42,243 --> 01:14:44,082
There a couple of dudes with some
1627
01:14:44,083 --> 01:14:46,568
brushes looking for a Tyrannosaurus rex bone.
1628
01:14:46,569 --> 01:14:47,496
They hit metal.
1629
01:14:47,497 --> 01:14:49,106
And when did they find it?
1630
01:14:49,107 --> 01:14:50,594
That they have nine of them.
1631
01:14:50,595 --> 01:14:53,426
Well and how could we have not heard about that?
1632
01:14:53,427 --> 01:14:55,276
What about the guys with the brushes?
1633
01:14:55,277 --> 01:14:57,894
How could you uncover something like that?
1634
01:14:57,895 --> 01:14:59,654
Joe's newspaper at home does.
1635
01:14:59,655 --> 01:15:01,494
I mean, they said it on that first day.
1636
01:15:01,495 --> 01:15:02,800
Oh, you mean the roswell.
1637
01:15:03,460 --> 01:15:04,966
Yeah, I have a cover.
1638
01:15:04,967 --> 01:15:06,124
What is this here, Jamie?
1639
01:15:06,125 --> 01:15:07,638
This is the document, but I had
1640
01:15:07,639 --> 01:15:08,986
to do some digging to find it.
1641
01:15:08,987 --> 01:15:11,434
Yes, it's just kind of this is
1642
01:15:11,435 --> 01:15:12,618
where they meet at Eg and G.
1643
01:15:12,619 --> 01:15:13,808
And this is Admiral Wilson.
1644
01:15:13,809 --> 01:15:14,858
And there's a lot more coming out.
1645
01:15:14,859 --> 01:15:15,626
Now, I want to be clear.
1646
01:15:15,627 --> 01:15:17,386
George didn't put this out.
1647
01:15:17,387 --> 01:15:20,220
He didn't leak this out to anybody.
1648
01:15:20,221 --> 01:15:22,916
I can tell you how I recorded this conversation.
1649
01:15:22,917 --> 01:15:26,356
So this was an employee of at the time, Robert Bigelow.
1650
01:15:26,357 --> 01:15:28,878
And this is in 2002. Right. Do you remember when he had
1651
01:15:28,879 --> 01:15:30,644
that government contract called OSSAP?
1652
01:15:30,645 --> 01:15:32,178
The world all knows about now, and
1653
01:15:32,179 --> 01:15:34,850
he had NIDS that studied the ranch. That 22 million.
1654
01:15:34,851 --> 01:15:36,178
Everybody is saying it was for
1655
01:15:36,179 --> 01:15:40,480
ATIP advanced aerospace threat identification program.
1656
01:15:40,481 --> 01:15:43,640
The $22 million was for OSAP.
1657
01:15:43,641 --> 01:15:45,436
That was pushed through through Congress.
1658
01:15:45,437 --> 01:15:46,886
Three Congressmen. Right.
1659
01:15:46,887 --> 01:15:48,092
An astronaut.
1660
01:15:48,093 --> 01:15:49,590
It was pushed through.
1661
01:15:49,591 --> 01:15:51,750
And that's what that $22 million.
1662
01:15:51,751 --> 01:15:53,078
By the way, they spend more money on
1663
01:15:53,079 --> 01:15:55,116
Viagra every year than they do studying UFOs.
1664
01:15:55,117 --> 01:15:56,698
If it was just this program, which I think is
1665
01:15:56,699 --> 01:15:59,088
funny, they made a lot more money from Viagra.
1666
01:15:59,089 --> 01:16:00,480
They probably do UFOs.
1667
01:16:00,481 --> 01:16:02,432
Well, you never know how it seeds into population.
1668
01:16:02,433 --> 01:16:05,642
But anyway, this program this is
1669
01:16:05,643 --> 01:16:07,130
what was the mother program.
1670
01:16:07,131 --> 01:16:09,422
So it got the 22 million, and
1671
01:16:09,423 --> 01:16:11,268
really, it was to study skinwalker ranch.
1672
01:16:11,269 --> 01:16:13,662
Oddly enough, that 22 million all
1673
01:16:13,663 --> 01:16:15,428
was inspired by the phenomenon.
1674
01:16:15,429 --> 01:16:17,166
They were seen at skinwalker ranch because
1675
01:16:17,167 --> 01:16:20,766
the scientists, they're seeing vehicles come through
1676
01:16:20,767 --> 01:16:22,904
like a space in the sky.
1677
01:16:22,905 --> 01:16:23,906
Yeah, we went there.
1678
01:16:23,907 --> 01:16:25,352
I went there with Duncan.
1679
01:16:25,353 --> 01:16:28,264
We interviewed a bunch of people that seemed
1680
01:16:28,265 --> 01:16:29,928
full of shit, but a couple that didn't.
1681
01:16:29,929 --> 01:16:32,424
It's very interesting. Totally.
1682
01:16:32,425 --> 01:16:34,742
But if you look, I spent a lot of time in the area.
1683
01:16:34,743 --> 01:16:36,108
I'm not talking about those stories.
1684
01:16:36,109 --> 01:16:38,278
I'm saying there were scientists hired by the
1685
01:16:38,279 --> 01:16:41,068
government right through bigelow to study the ranch
1686
01:16:41,069 --> 01:16:44,180
because they thought it was important and whatever.
1687
01:16:44,181 --> 01:16:46,890
The point is that 22 million was to study that.
1688
01:16:46,891 --> 01:16:48,618
Then we have ATIP, which is like an
1689
01:16:48,619 --> 01:16:51,338
auxiliary kind of program of military sightings, like
1690
01:16:51,339 --> 01:16:53,242
Commander Fravers and that sort of thing.
1691
01:16:53,243 --> 01:16:56,170
This document is just one of those things
1692
01:16:56,171 --> 01:16:58,814
that has now come forward that through the
1693
01:16:58,815 --> 01:17:01,198
Bigelow studies, it was government funded, and then
1694
01:17:01,199 --> 01:17:04,308
it was personally funded and then government funded.
1695
01:17:04,309 --> 01:17:07,108
It's just one of those things that kind of shakes
1696
01:17:07,109 --> 01:17:10,194
you because you got this military guy who can't get
1697
01:17:10,195 --> 01:17:14,728
access because of the private industry that's holding these non
1698
01:17:14,729 --> 01:17:17,618
terrestrial materials that they can't study it.
1699
01:17:17,619 --> 01:17:19,842
So that's the claim right now.
1700
01:17:19,843 --> 01:17:20,822
Give it some time.
1701
01:17:20,823 --> 01:17:22,854
Let people dig more into this.
1702
01:17:22,855 --> 01:17:24,710
It's fascinating, man.
1703
01:17:24,711 --> 01:17:32,438
So you are essentially you're kicked out, right?
1704
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:33,926
You're out of this program.
1705
01:17:33,927 --> 01:17:36,544
You can't work with these crafts anymore,
1706
01:17:36,545 --> 01:17:39,936
and do they give you any threats?
1707
01:17:39,937 --> 01:17:43,754
Do they tell you what you have to do from here on out?
1708
01:17:43,755 --> 01:17:50,062
Yeah, the way it ended was I told George Knapp all this
1709
01:17:50,063 --> 01:17:53,892
stuff, and he said, well, let's just get it on tape.
1710
01:17:53,893 --> 01:17:55,278
Should something happen, at least we
1711
01:17:55,279 --> 01:17:56,638
have a record of it.
1712
01:17:56,639 --> 01:18:01,378
And I don't remember what the impetus was, but at
1713
01:18:01,379 --> 01:18:04,590
some point, George wanted to air it, and he said,
1714
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:08,418
you make the call on it, and look, if at
1715
01:18:08,419 --> 01:18:12,066
any point you change your mind, we won't air it.
1716
01:18:12,067 --> 01:18:14,472
And it came down to the day where George
1717
01:18:14,473 --> 01:18:16,086
wants to put it on the 05:00 news.
1718
01:18:16,087 --> 01:18:17,526
He said, this is important stuff.
1719
01:18:17,527 --> 01:18:19,014
People have to know about it.
1720
01:18:19,015 --> 01:18:20,822
And I thought it was too.
1721
01:18:20,823 --> 01:18:22,300
I thought it's kind of a crime.
1722
01:18:22,301 --> 01:18:24,858
I know you got to keep the technology secret, but
1723
01:18:24,859 --> 01:18:28,106
you can't not tell everybody that this stuff is going
1724
01:18:28,107 --> 01:18:32,096
on, that we have actual hardware from another civilization.
1725
01:18:32,097 --> 01:18:34,986
It's a big fucking deal, probably
1726
01:18:34,987 --> 01:18:36,890
the biggest one there ever was.
1727
01:18:36,891 --> 01:18:42,478
And George said, today's the day we got to put
1728
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:44,510
it on the news, or something to that effect.
1729
01:18:44,511 --> 01:18:47,662
And when it came right down to the time to air it,
1730
01:18:47,663 --> 01:18:51,666
I changed my mind, and I said, we're not doing it.
1731
01:18:51,667 --> 01:18:54,786
And that's what turned into the famous wrestling match
1732
01:18:54,787 --> 01:18:57,192
between me and George trying to get the tape,
1733
01:18:57,193 --> 01:18:59,874
but he won because he was a bigger guy.
1734
01:18:59,875 --> 01:19:01,496
So you actually physically wrestled?
1735
01:19:01,497 --> 01:19:03,682
Well, I think it was more of a pulling match.
1736
01:19:03,683 --> 01:19:05,468
I don't think we ever hit the ground.
1737
01:19:05,469 --> 01:19:07,734
But he got the tape, he put it in
1738
01:19:07,735 --> 01:19:10,182
the player, and boom, 05:00 news was on.
1739
01:19:10,183 --> 01:19:13,046
And then I got a call after that,
1740
01:19:13,047 --> 01:19:14,812
and they said it was from Dennis.
1741
01:19:14,813 --> 01:19:16,374
They said, do you have any idea what
1742
01:19:16,375 --> 01:19:17,738
we're going to do to you now?
1743
01:19:17,739 --> 01:19:18,906
And he hung up the phone.
1744
01:19:18,907 --> 01:19:21,510
That was the last communication I had with him.
1745
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:25,082
And what has happened to you since then?
1746
01:19:25,083 --> 01:19:31,480
After that, a lot of people I've known
1747
01:19:32,460 --> 01:19:36,670
either were audited by the IRS people, had
1748
01:19:36,671 --> 01:19:39,246
anybody I know that had clearances that worked
1749
01:19:39,247 --> 01:19:42,264
in secure programs had the clearances pulled.
1750
01:19:42,265 --> 01:19:47,192
One of them, one of mine that Jeremy knows.
1751
01:19:47,193 --> 01:19:48,418
He's going on camera with me.
1752
01:19:48,419 --> 01:19:49,874
Soon he'll tell the story now that
1753
01:19:49,875 --> 01:19:51,490
he's out of work up there.
1754
01:19:51,491 --> 01:19:54,284
He was working up at the Tonal Pot test range waiting
1755
01:19:54,285 --> 01:19:57,810
for his clearance to come through, and they pulled that.
1756
01:19:59,140 --> 01:20:00,662
It's like if they can't get the
1757
01:20:00,663 --> 01:20:03,718
person that's involved, they just create a
1758
01:20:03,719 --> 01:20:06,282
problem for everybody that surrounds them.
1759
01:20:06,283 --> 01:20:08,842
And so, I mean, the way it turns out, it
1760
01:20:08,843 --> 01:20:11,888
hurt a lot of people's lives that I was connected
1761
01:20:11,889 --> 01:20:16,170
to, and that's an effective way of shutting someone up.
1762
01:20:16,171 --> 01:20:18,398
Did you feel that by coming forward and
1763
01:20:18,399 --> 01:20:20,814
going public, they couldn't just snuff you out?
1764
01:20:20,815 --> 01:20:22,270
I mean, that's what I was told.
1765
01:20:22,271 --> 01:20:25,764
And George and everybody said that it's
1766
01:20:25,765 --> 01:20:27,678
public, no one will touch you.
1767
01:20:27,679 --> 01:20:30,670
And I fell for it.
1768
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:35,426
You wish you didn't. Yeah.
1769
01:20:35,427 --> 01:20:38,098
Sometimes when it's just overstressed and
1770
01:20:38,099 --> 01:20:39,528
people are camping on your lawn.
1771
01:20:39,529 --> 01:20:41,458
Yeah, but this is going to
1772
01:20:41,459 --> 01:20:43,442
make things worse, doing this.
1773
01:20:43,443 --> 01:20:45,540
No, this is going to make things better.
1774
01:20:45,541 --> 01:20:47,158
I was trying to tell them, how
1775
01:20:47,159 --> 01:20:48,870
is this going to make things better?
1776
01:20:48,871 --> 01:20:51,398
Because you're getting a real chance to explain yourself in
1777
01:20:51,399 --> 01:20:55,674
a way that's going to make people who not only
1778
01:20:55,675 --> 01:20:59,882
work in the government, people that are police officers and
1779
01:20:59,883 --> 01:21:04,058
firefighters and first responders and doctors and scientists, they're going
1780
01:21:04,059 --> 01:21:11,822
to empathize, empathize and empathize with what it must be
1781
01:21:11,823 --> 01:21:14,574
like to be a person like you in your 20s,
1782
01:21:14,575 --> 01:21:19,950
who gets thrust into this world unknowingly and confronted with
1783
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:24,776
one of the most, if not the most important, discovery
1784
01:21:24,777 --> 01:21:27,032
in the history of human beings.
1785
01:21:27,033 --> 01:21:29,560
The big question are we alone?
1786
01:21:29,561 --> 01:21:31,138
It's the number one question.
1787
01:21:31,139 --> 01:21:32,630
There's two questions, right?
1788
01:21:32,631 --> 01:21:34,860
What happens when we die, and are we alone?
1789
01:21:34,861 --> 01:21:37,190
Those are the two big questions, right?
1790
01:21:37,191 --> 01:21:41,164
And if we're not alone and someone knows we're
1791
01:21:41,165 --> 01:21:44,428
not alone, and these some people who know we're
1792
01:21:44,429 --> 01:21:48,362
not alone, are these bungling sort of.
1793
01:21:48,363 --> 01:21:51,018
Even if they weren't, it's a crime that
1794
01:21:51,019 --> 01:21:52,874
they're not telling the rest of us.
1795
01:21:52,875 --> 01:21:54,202
But I mean, I don't mean
1796
01:21:54,203 --> 01:21:55,728
bungling in terms they're incompetent.
1797
01:21:55,729 --> 01:21:57,588
I mean, they can't be competent.
1798
01:21:57,589 --> 01:21:59,582
It seems to me, to what you're describing, that
1799
01:21:59,583 --> 01:22:01,982
no one can be competent with this technology.
1800
01:22:01,983 --> 01:22:06,692
Like the Victorian era scholars analyzing
1801
01:22:06,693 --> 01:22:08,772
some sort of a nuclear reactor.
1802
01:22:08,773 --> 01:22:09,838
There's no way.
1803
01:22:09,839 --> 01:22:10,958
Why do you think beyond that?
1804
01:22:10,959 --> 01:22:12,142
Why do you think they're not telling us?
1805
01:22:12,143 --> 01:22:13,218
Let's just make an assumption that
1806
01:22:13,219 --> 01:22:14,818
this is true right now.
1807
01:22:14,819 --> 01:22:17,448
Why do you think that they're not telling
1808
01:22:17,449 --> 01:22:19,026
us that our government doesn't tell us.
1809
01:22:19,027 --> 01:22:19,810
What's your best?
1810
01:22:19,811 --> 01:22:22,818
Well, let me put it into what you do.
1811
01:22:22,819 --> 01:22:25,618
If I'm the president, okay, and I get
1812
01:22:25,619 --> 01:22:27,350
this information, what do I do with this?
1813
01:22:27,351 --> 01:22:28,038
What do I do with this?
1814
01:22:28,039 --> 01:22:29,542
There's something that we don't know.
1815
01:22:29,543 --> 01:22:31,126
There's something we don't understand.
1816
01:22:31,127 --> 01:22:32,886
There's something that came from another world.
1817
01:22:32,887 --> 01:22:35,206
We got it tucked away in the mountains, and
1818
01:22:35,207 --> 01:22:36,682
I just wanted you guys to know about it.
1819
01:22:36,683 --> 01:22:37,632
Hey, sleep tight.
1820
01:22:37,633 --> 01:22:39,216
Hey, American Auto is on tonight.
1821
01:22:39,217 --> 01:22:40,666
Who do you think is going to win? Yeah.
1822
01:22:40,667 --> 01:22:41,940
Who's going to win? America.
1823
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:46,864
One is uncertainty, and the other one is what Bob
1824
01:22:46,865 --> 01:22:49,712
and I have talked about a lot, absolutely not knowing
1825
01:22:49,713 --> 01:22:51,818
what to tell people because you don't really understand it
1826
01:22:51,819 --> 01:22:53,898
yourself, even though you've got what do you say?
1827
01:22:53,899 --> 01:22:54,970
You want to run a government.
1828
01:22:54,971 --> 01:22:56,768
You want to get people to pay their taxes.
1829
01:22:56,769 --> 01:22:58,882
But there's something else. Yeah. What do you say?
1830
01:22:58,883 --> 01:23:01,266
So you have these objects fine. With impunity. Right.
1831
01:23:01,267 --> 01:23:02,770
And you have something else.
1832
01:23:02,771 --> 01:23:04,658
Well, not only that, what can you say?
1833
01:23:04,659 --> 01:23:06,082
Like, how much do you really know?
1834
01:23:06,083 --> 01:23:07,746
I think it's mainly the technology.
1835
01:23:07,747 --> 01:23:09,778
They just want to keep the technology
1836
01:23:09,779 --> 01:23:13,900
secret because whoever gets this wins. Dude.
1837
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:18,332
You control the where you literally become invincible.
1838
01:23:18,333 --> 01:23:20,998
Once you master the technology, you
1839
01:23:20,999 --> 01:23:23,354
cannot penetrate a field like that.
1840
01:23:23,355 --> 01:23:25,632
So I imagine I know it's all science
1841
01:23:25,633 --> 01:23:28,010
fiction, but science fiction turns into science fact.
1842
01:23:28,011 --> 01:23:30,848
If you have real force fields
1843
01:23:30,849 --> 01:23:35,466
around aircraft and battleships, you win.
1844
01:23:35,467 --> 01:23:37,614
You can force your will upon anybody.
1845
01:23:37,615 --> 01:23:40,910
And like I said, there's so much more to this story.
1846
01:23:40,911 --> 01:23:44,062
When I was first there, there
1847
01:23:44,063 --> 01:23:46,780
were Russian scientists at S Four.
1848
01:23:46,781 --> 01:23:48,414
This was early on in the project.
1849
01:23:48,415 --> 01:23:50,388
So this was before Operation Paperclip
1850
01:23:50,389 --> 01:23:51,790
became public as well, right?
1851
01:23:51,791 --> 01:23:52,996
I would imagine.
1852
01:23:52,997 --> 01:23:54,802
I don't know what the dates were. When was that?
1853
01:23:54,803 --> 01:23:58,498
When did that was that 98, I think. 98? Yeah.
1854
01:23:58,499 --> 01:23:59,922
I don't know the dates on it.
1855
01:23:59,923 --> 01:24:02,328
Roughly ten years later, operation Paperclip
1856
01:24:02,329 --> 01:24:04,098
becomes Freedom of Information Act.
1857
01:24:04,099 --> 01:24:05,756
We said about Russia, not Germany.
1858
01:24:05,757 --> 01:24:07,276
He said about Russian scientists.
1859
01:24:07,277 --> 01:24:09,238
Yeah, but I mean, Russian scientists, a
1860
01:24:09,239 --> 01:24:10,764
lot of them came from Germany.
1861
01:24:10,765 --> 01:24:13,078
A lot of those rocket scientists that work
1862
01:24:13,079 --> 01:24:16,746
with NASA, they all came from Nazi scientists. Got it.
1863
01:24:16,747 --> 01:24:18,778
The Russians got some of them. I just know.
1864
01:24:18,779 --> 01:24:21,824
And at some point, there was intense cooperation
1865
01:24:21,825 --> 01:24:25,152
with Russia, even exchanging some ideas on nuclear
1866
01:24:25,153 --> 01:24:28,042
weapons and EMP tests, and some things we
1867
01:24:28,043 --> 01:24:29,646
would never have discussed with them.
1868
01:24:29,647 --> 01:24:32,702
But at the same time, it was in the late 80s.
1869
01:24:32,703 --> 01:24:35,118
They were involved and actually in the
1870
01:24:35,119 --> 01:24:37,534
area at S Four with us.
1871
01:24:37,535 --> 01:24:38,734
And you got to communicate with
1872
01:24:38,735 --> 01:24:39,726
these guys, or you saw them.
1873
01:24:39,727 --> 01:24:41,330
No, I knew they were there.
1874
01:24:41,331 --> 01:24:44,018
Barry would talk about the commies that were there.
1875
01:24:44,019 --> 01:24:45,260
Yeah, the commies.
1876
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,168
That was back when they were the commies.
1877
01:24:48,169 --> 01:24:49,580
They were real commies.
1878
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:55,158
And at some point, it wasn't our group, but
1879
01:24:55,159 --> 01:24:58,902
at some point, there was a big discovery made.
1880
01:24:58,903 --> 01:25:01,158
And this did not happen when I was there.
1881
01:25:01,159 --> 01:25:03,846
It happened in between my trips to there and
1882
01:25:03,847 --> 01:25:06,982
after that, apparently, they decided it was just too
1883
01:25:06,983 --> 01:25:09,146
cool to share with anybody, and the Russians were
1884
01:25:09,147 --> 01:25:11,290
never allowed back on the base after that.
1885
01:25:11,291 --> 01:25:13,258
But you don't know what that discovery was? No.
1886
01:25:13,259 --> 01:25:14,602
Like I said, it wasn't my group.
1887
01:25:14,603 --> 01:25:18,380
So one of the other groups really found out something.
1888
01:25:18,381 --> 01:25:21,854
But in typical American fashion, it
1889
01:25:21,855 --> 01:25:23,358
was, all right, this is ours. You guys.
1890
01:25:23,359 --> 01:25:24,366
Get the hell out of here.
1891
01:25:24,367 --> 01:25:26,766
Was there any inkling that any
1892
01:25:26,767 --> 01:25:29,580
other government had something similar?
1893
01:25:29,581 --> 01:25:31,666
No, nothing that I had heard.
1894
01:25:31,667 --> 01:25:33,218
See, that was the thing that always freaked me
1895
01:25:33,219 --> 01:25:37,218
out, was why, if something was so superior to
1896
01:25:37,219 --> 01:25:40,216
human beings, it's almost like visiting an ant colony.
1897
01:25:40,217 --> 01:25:41,432
Like, why would you go to the queen?
1898
01:25:41,433 --> 01:25:43,586
I don't give a fuck who the Queen is. I'm a human.
1899
01:25:43,587 --> 01:25:45,308
I'm so superior to you ants.
1900
01:25:45,309 --> 01:25:47,100
I don't care who you have running your hive.
1901
01:25:47,101 --> 01:25:48,518
I'm just going to study it.
1902
01:25:48,519 --> 01:25:50,582
I think it's who got it? Who got it.
1903
01:25:50,583 --> 01:25:53,788
Look at the rocket technology in Germany.
1904
01:25:53,789 --> 01:25:55,350
But they got nine of them.
1905
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:58,410
Yeah, that doesn't make sense to me either.
1906
01:25:58,411 --> 01:26:01,242
So they were either in the same area
1907
01:26:01,243 --> 01:26:04,842
or one had clues to where others were.
1908
01:26:04,843 --> 01:26:06,186
I mean, I don't know.
1909
01:26:06,187 --> 01:26:07,886
You have to fill that in there. But you're right.
1910
01:26:07,887 --> 01:26:09,130
I mean, nine of them?
1911
01:26:09,660 --> 01:26:12,820
It's a big dig if it was archaeological.
1912
01:26:12,821 --> 01:26:16,116
Well, one of the more recent recent sightings
1913
01:26:16,117 --> 01:26:18,942
and these discussions that have been coming out
1914
01:26:18,943 --> 01:26:21,592
recently from Air Force pilots and Navy pilots,
1915
01:26:21,593 --> 01:26:23,138
they've been talking about things happening in the
1916
01:26:23,139 --> 01:26:27,682
ocean and that something literally goes into the
1917
01:26:27,683 --> 01:26:29,608
water or something maybe below the surface.
1918
01:26:29,609 --> 01:26:30,386
Thinking about water.
1919
01:26:30,387 --> 01:26:32,370
2004 Tic TAC nimitz case.
1920
01:26:32,371 --> 01:26:34,054
So that's when George Knapp and I broke on
1921
01:26:34,055 --> 01:26:35,622
the radio twice before the New York Times.
1922
01:26:35,623 --> 01:26:36,950
So I know this one really well.
1923
01:26:36,951 --> 01:26:39,052
Commander Fraver and those pilots.
1924
01:26:39,053 --> 01:26:43,540
There was a disturbance on the surface of the water.
1925
01:26:43,541 --> 01:26:46,262
Commander Fraver visually saw what looked
1926
01:26:46,263 --> 01:26:48,922
like similar to across some object.
1927
01:26:48,923 --> 01:26:50,928
So it's like as if you have some coral
1928
01:26:50,929 --> 01:26:53,098
under the water and you've got it's breaking over.
1929
01:26:53,099 --> 01:26:53,530
Right.
1930
01:26:53,531 --> 01:26:56,816
The Tic TAC is doing this crazy maneuver that defies.
1931
01:26:56,817 --> 01:26:58,330
It's a gravity propelled system.
1932
01:26:58,331 --> 01:27:00,446
They saw it in the sky before they saw in the water.
1933
01:27:00,447 --> 01:27:01,022
Right? Yeah.
1934
01:27:01,023 --> 01:27:03,758
So there were radar that was picking these
1935
01:27:03,759 --> 01:27:05,998
things coming down from 80,000ft and dropping to
1936
01:27:05,999 --> 01:27:07,982
50ft in less than a second.
1937
01:27:07,983 --> 01:27:09,566
This is it, Jamie. What is it?
1938
01:27:09,567 --> 01:27:10,862
This is actually on the news today.
1939
01:27:10,863 --> 01:27:11,672
There was a briefing.
1940
01:27:11,673 --> 01:27:13,688
So a lot of people get this confused.
1941
01:27:13,689 --> 01:27:15,070
Not this one then, either.
1942
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:17,176
That is called the gimbal.
1943
01:27:17,177 --> 01:27:20,194
So there's three videos released by the Pentagon that
1944
01:27:20,195 --> 01:27:22,750
are all actual play and keep the volume off. Okay.
1945
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:26,246
I would really just pay attention to the source videos.
1946
01:27:26,247 --> 01:27:27,718
So you've got the Tic TAC, which
1947
01:27:27,719 --> 01:27:30,054
is this object that Commander Fraver saw.
1948
01:27:30,055 --> 01:27:32,764
Another pilot filmed it with a FLIR pod,
1949
01:27:32,765 --> 01:27:34,842
and it goes but this one, you see,
1950
01:27:34,843 --> 01:27:36,666
is really important to Bob's story.
1951
01:27:36,667 --> 01:27:40,208
The Gimbal craft, it's been recently analyzed.
1952
01:27:40,209 --> 01:27:41,216
It's FLIR.
1953
01:27:41,217 --> 01:27:44,842
Not only does it's definitive that it's not
1954
01:27:44,843 --> 01:27:48,254
conventional anything by its movements, but there's a
1955
01:27:48,255 --> 01:27:52,164
pocket of cold air around a propulsion source.
1956
01:27:52,165 --> 01:27:54,052
So this object, by the way, sat
1957
01:27:54,053 --> 01:27:56,910
stationary for days, if not weeks.
1958
01:27:56,911 --> 01:27:58,462
It sat stationary? Yeah.
1959
01:27:58,463 --> 01:28:01,268
They found it 11 hours later, and they were saying, there's
1960
01:28:01,269 --> 01:28:04,002
no way this thing using that kind of energy to go
1961
01:28:04,003 --> 01:28:06,578
that fast could just hover the amount of time.
1962
01:28:06,579 --> 01:28:08,162
And by the way, you're seeing a very
1963
01:28:08,163 --> 01:28:10,194
small part of what happened that day.
1964
01:28:10,195 --> 01:28:12,280
This object was not alone.
1965
01:28:12,281 --> 01:28:15,926
And so, hopefully, that information comes out and we can
1966
01:28:15,927 --> 01:28:17,654
I mean, I wish we had video of it.
1967
01:28:17,655 --> 01:28:19,590
I'm sure we'd all want to see it.
1968
01:28:19,591 --> 01:28:20,988
But that's called the gimbal.
1969
01:28:20,989 --> 01:28:23,030
That was East Coast, right?
1970
01:28:23,031 --> 01:28:24,210
2015.
1971
01:28:24,900 --> 01:28:26,358
West coast, 2004.
1972
01:28:26,359 --> 01:28:29,274
Was the Tic TAC the disturbance on the water?
1973
01:28:29,275 --> 01:28:31,562
Commander Fraver believes there was something under
1974
01:28:31,563 --> 01:28:33,648
that water that was causing that disturbance.
1975
01:28:33,649 --> 01:28:35,946
When the Tic TAC was coming around to doing it
1976
01:28:35,947 --> 01:28:39,662
within the people that are studying this, they're thinking maybe
1977
01:28:39,663 --> 01:28:42,484
the Tic TAC system was causing the disturbance.
1978
01:28:42,485 --> 01:28:44,020
But the USO.
1979
01:28:44,021 --> 01:28:49,262
Unidentified Submerged Object that he visually saw the whole
1980
01:28:49,263 --> 01:28:51,704
interesting thing about that is I would love Bob
1981
01:28:51,705 --> 01:28:54,178
to describe it is why it doesn't matter if
1982
01:28:54,179 --> 01:28:58,050
these craft are in space, air, or water.
1983
01:28:58,051 --> 01:28:58,802
Why doesn't it matter?
1984
01:28:58,803 --> 01:29:00,904
I love when he talks about this shit.
1985
01:29:00,905 --> 01:29:03,298
Well, first of all, Commander Fraver was the F
1986
01:29:03,299 --> 01:29:06,358
18 pilot off the Nemets that was sent out
1987
01:29:06,359 --> 01:29:08,214
to find out what this stuff is.
1988
01:29:08,215 --> 01:29:10,454
And it wasn't just I got a
1989
01:29:10,455 --> 01:29:12,268
chance to talk to him recently.
1990
01:29:12,269 --> 01:29:14,652
And it wasn't just a radar image.
1991
01:29:14,653 --> 01:29:17,866
I mean, Commander Fraver had eyes on it for over
1992
01:29:17,867 --> 01:29:21,738
five minutes watching this thing, as four other pilots did.
1993
01:29:21,739 --> 01:29:23,786
So this wasn't a radar blip or anything.
1994
01:29:23,787 --> 01:29:25,902
I mean, these guys were watching this thing.
1995
01:29:25,903 --> 01:29:30,570
But one of the things, I think, in the Gimbal video,
1996
01:29:31,820 --> 01:29:37,262
the way the craft that we worked on flies is it
1997
01:29:37,263 --> 01:29:42,542
doesn't fly like conventional aircraft does, and it doesn't fly like
1998
01:29:42,543 --> 01:29:45,720
a flying saucer would or in a 1950s movie.
1999
01:29:45,721 --> 01:29:47,762
It flies belly first.
2000
01:29:47,763 --> 01:29:49,586
I mean, it may set down
2001
01:29:49,587 --> 01:29:52,492
conventionally, but it always rotates.
2002
01:29:52,493 --> 01:29:54,748
It does a roll maneuver, puts its belly
2003
01:29:54,749 --> 01:29:57,540
towards the target, and then moves away.
2004
01:29:57,541 --> 01:30:00,850
Car flying with the wheels forward, right?
2005
01:30:01,540 --> 01:30:04,198
I mean, it may land on the wheels, but at
2006
01:30:04,199 --> 01:30:07,322
some point when it wants to leave, flips up points
2007
01:30:07,323 --> 01:30:09,146
the wheels where it wants to go and takes off.
2008
01:30:09,147 --> 01:30:11,402
And the Gimbal video, you can see
2009
01:30:11,403 --> 01:30:13,344
the craft do the roll maneuver.
2010
01:30:13,345 --> 01:30:15,450
And it's really interesting.
2011
01:30:15,451 --> 01:30:17,728
It behaves exactly like the craft
2012
01:30:17,729 --> 01:30:19,966
that I worked on so much.
2013
01:30:19,967 --> 01:30:22,116
Like, we have different shaped aircraft
2014
01:30:22,117 --> 01:30:24,116
and fighter jets and cars.
2015
01:30:24,117 --> 01:30:27,214
They probably have different shapes of these
2016
01:30:27,215 --> 01:30:31,314
objects that operate under similar principles, right?
2017
01:30:31,315 --> 01:30:33,528
But they all have the same. Power source.
2018
01:30:33,529 --> 01:30:34,632
They all have the same power source.
2019
01:30:34,633 --> 01:30:37,870
And we're also dealing with if you think about
2020
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:43,068
the laws of technological progression, you think of Moore's
2021
01:30:43,069 --> 01:30:46,380
Law and you think of how things accelerate.
2022
01:30:46,381 --> 01:30:48,924
You've got to think that if this civilization
2023
01:30:48,925 --> 01:30:51,308
is who knows how many years more advanced
2024
01:30:51,309 --> 01:30:54,940
than we are, if not even years, we're
2025
01:30:54,941 --> 01:30:57,178
thinking about in terms of conventional terms. Right.
2026
01:30:57,179 --> 01:31:00,346
The way we look at the world, they might
2027
01:31:00,347 --> 01:31:03,792
be just superior in terms of their intellect.
2028
01:31:03,793 --> 01:31:04,746
They've got to be.
2029
01:31:04,747 --> 01:31:06,478
Maybe we don't know. Right.
2030
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:11,726
Well, the only reason I say that is because, look,
2031
01:31:11,727 --> 01:31:15,614
everyone doesn't necessarily start at a steam engine and go
2032
01:31:15,615 --> 01:31:19,588
to an internal combustion engine and then electric power, nuclear
2033
01:31:19,589 --> 01:31:22,170
power and go up the ladder that we can.
2034
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:26,114
If the stuff is true about the origin and
2035
01:31:26,115 --> 01:31:28,760
the binary star system and they have heavier elements
2036
01:31:28,761 --> 01:31:31,832
that we don't have, and this element stable, element
2037
01:31:31,833 --> 01:31:35,542
115 is a naturally occurring material, maybe that's the
2038
01:31:35,543 --> 01:31:37,894
first thing they started experimenting with.
2039
01:31:37,895 --> 01:31:39,926
And the version of their steam engine, their
2040
01:31:39,927 --> 01:31:43,606
first product was something that operated like this.
2041
01:31:43,607 --> 01:31:46,762
And actually when they came to Earth to look around or
2042
01:31:46,763 --> 01:31:49,306
whatever, they were amazed at the stuff we were doing.
2043
01:31:49,307 --> 01:31:51,168
These guys burned stuff and squirted
2044
01:31:51,169 --> 01:31:53,270
out the back to go forward. Right.
2045
01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:55,818
Who says they follow any kind
2046
01:31:55,819 --> 01:31:57,754
of normal progression like that?
2047
01:31:57,755 --> 01:32:00,378
My thought was if you went back to
2048
01:32:00,379 --> 01:32:04,142
the then you went from 1400 to 1500.
2049
01:32:04,143 --> 01:32:04,958
You're not going to see that
2050
01:32:04,959 --> 01:32:07,100
much of a difference technologically.
2051
01:32:07,101 --> 01:32:10,888
If you go from 2000 to 3000, I assume
2052
01:32:10,889 --> 01:32:12,866
there's going to be a radical change, right?
2053
01:32:12,867 --> 01:32:15,790
Well, yeah, the delta, the rate of change
2054
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:20,306
is magnificently higher than it used to be. Right.
2055
01:32:20,307 --> 01:32:23,718
So if you think about what they had in
2056
01:32:23,719 --> 01:32:26,518
1988 and you think about what they probably have
2057
01:32:26,519 --> 01:32:32,748
in 2019, just logically seems like they would advance.
2058
01:32:32,749 --> 01:32:33,402
I would think.
2059
01:32:33,403 --> 01:32:38,600
So the only question is, are they living?
2060
01:32:38,601 --> 01:32:40,314
Is that a living thing in
2061
01:32:40,315 --> 01:32:42,570
terms of like a biological thing?
2062
01:32:42,571 --> 01:32:46,208
Or are they some sort of an artificially created
2063
01:32:46,209 --> 01:32:48,510
creation like we are working on right now?
2064
01:32:48,511 --> 01:32:51,604
We're in the middle of working on artificial reality.
2065
01:32:51,605 --> 01:32:53,236
Artificial beings, sentient
2066
01:32:53,237 --> 01:32:55,220
beings, artificial intelligence.
2067
01:32:55,221 --> 01:32:57,054
There's silicon based life forms that
2068
01:32:57,055 --> 01:32:58,462
they're essentially trying to create.
2069
01:32:58,463 --> 01:32:59,508
Boston Dynamic.
2070
01:32:59,509 --> 01:33:02,952
Or was it Boston Dynamics at the company? Robots.
2071
01:33:02,953 --> 01:33:05,042
Yeah, you can make machines out of flesh. Right.
2072
01:33:05,043 --> 01:33:08,194
So cyborg or cybernetic organism is just that.
2073
01:33:08,195 --> 01:33:09,826
That's what a lot of people think those like
2074
01:33:09,827 --> 01:33:13,058
gray things are that people call the grays is
2075
01:33:13,059 --> 01:33:16,492
like they were like they're machines printed from flesh.
2076
01:33:16,493 --> 01:33:18,150
So what you're saying is like not
2077
01:33:18,151 --> 01:33:20,534
they could just be synthetic life.
2078
01:33:20,535 --> 01:33:23,388
They don't even need to be machines?
2079
01:33:23,389 --> 01:33:24,828
Well, they seem to have no sex
2080
01:33:24,829 --> 01:33:26,362
organs the way they're described by people
2081
01:33:26,363 --> 01:33:27,802
that have had interactions with them.
2082
01:33:27,803 --> 01:33:29,200
Assuming these people aren't liars
2083
01:33:29,201 --> 01:33:31,594
or crazy or whatever. Right.
2084
01:33:31,595 --> 01:33:34,170
They have no sex organs and that
2085
01:33:34,171 --> 01:33:36,192
they don't seem to have any muscle.
2086
01:33:36,193 --> 01:33:38,276
They're just almost like a frame,
2087
01:33:38,277 --> 01:33:40,100
and they have enormous heads.
2088
01:33:40,101 --> 01:33:44,260
I mean, if you look at Australia Pithecus
2089
01:33:44,261 --> 01:33:47,118
or depictions of ancient hominids, and then you
2090
01:33:47,119 --> 01:33:48,798
go to human beings, one of the things
2091
01:33:48,799 --> 01:33:50,856
you see is bigger heads and weaker bodies.
2092
01:33:50,857 --> 01:33:52,498
Well, you see a clear progression of
2093
01:33:52,499 --> 01:33:55,682
evolution, too, where something like that.
2094
01:33:55,683 --> 01:33:59,138
I would lean towards synthetic organism because it looks
2095
01:33:59,139 --> 01:34:01,128
like it was made for a specific task.
2096
01:34:01,129 --> 01:34:02,988
There was no reproductive organs.
2097
01:34:02,989 --> 01:34:04,598
So, I mean, that almost kind of
2098
01:34:04,599 --> 01:34:08,102
leaves out any kind of physical evolution. Right?
2099
01:34:08,103 --> 01:34:09,798
Well, that's also our bottleneck, right?
2100
01:34:09,799 --> 01:34:12,604
Our bottleneck is our biological imperative.
2101
01:34:12,605 --> 01:34:16,762
The need to breed emotions, fear, anxiety, all
2102
01:34:16,763 --> 01:34:19,610
these different things that exist in order to
2103
01:34:19,611 --> 01:34:22,768
force us into making sure we reproduce.
2104
01:34:22,769 --> 01:34:23,990
I mean, that's essentially what it is.
2105
01:34:23,991 --> 01:34:27,370
There are human reward systems that aren't necessary once
2106
01:34:27,371 --> 01:34:29,182
they can figure out a way to make some
2107
01:34:29,183 --> 01:34:32,478
sort of sentient artificial life, some sort of thing
2108
01:34:32,479 --> 01:34:35,438
that doesn't have these biological limitations that we have.
2109
01:34:35,439 --> 01:34:37,422
By the way, these craft, all these different
2110
01:34:37,423 --> 01:34:39,044
kinds have been reported because it was confusing.
2111
01:34:39,045 --> 01:34:40,334
I always thought of flying saucers. What?
2112
01:34:40,335 --> 01:34:43,154
I heard Bob Lazar talk about flying saucer. Right.
2113
01:34:43,155 --> 01:34:44,514
But if you look back in history,
2114
01:34:44,515 --> 01:34:47,192
people have always reported the weirdest shapes.
2115
01:34:47,193 --> 01:34:49,288
Like, none of them are alike.
2116
01:34:49,289 --> 01:34:51,592
There are the saucers, but you got cigar shaped,
2117
01:34:51,593 --> 01:34:55,254
you got the top hat shaped, you have orbs. Why?
2118
01:34:55,255 --> 01:34:57,372
Maybe they're serving different purposes.
2119
01:34:57,373 --> 01:34:58,518
They're doing different things, like
2120
01:34:58,519 --> 01:35:00,188
we'd use different tools.
2121
01:35:00,189 --> 01:35:01,494
And I want to be clear.
2122
01:35:01,495 --> 01:35:03,718
The reason I know that memo is real is
2123
01:35:03,719 --> 01:35:06,092
because I spent a lot of time with Dr. Edgar Mitchell.
2124
01:35:06,093 --> 01:35:07,802
Six man to walk on the moon, last
2125
01:35:07,803 --> 01:35:10,314
guy to film him before he died. Right?
2126
01:35:10,315 --> 01:35:11,322
That's how I know.
2127
01:35:11,323 --> 01:35:12,842
I don't want any journalists thinking
2128
01:35:12,843 --> 01:35:13,866
I got it from anywhere else.
2129
01:35:13,867 --> 01:35:14,986
I know because of Dr.
2130
01:35:14,987 --> 01:35:16,686
Mitchell, and he said the same thing.
2131
01:35:16,687 --> 01:35:20,520
Maybe these things are performing different tasks.
2132
01:35:22,460 --> 01:35:24,702
If you think about what an alien is in terms
2133
01:35:24,703 --> 01:35:28,658
of the sort of iconic image of an alien, like
2134
01:35:28,659 --> 01:35:33,720
the Steven Spielberg closing cows are the third kind alien.
2135
01:35:33,721 --> 01:35:37,160
They seem like what we'd assume
2136
01:35:37,161 --> 01:35:39,714
a human being would eventually become. Right?
2137
01:35:39,715 --> 01:35:41,944
And if these things are tiny, human beings
2138
01:35:41,945 --> 01:35:43,302
are smaller than they've ever been before.
2139
01:35:43,303 --> 01:35:44,726
They're weaker than they've ever been before.
2140
01:35:44,727 --> 01:35:46,124
And there seems to be a trend
2141
01:35:46,125 --> 01:35:48,630
in that direction, and this trend seems
2142
01:35:48,631 --> 01:35:52,540
to be amplified by our technological progression.
2143
01:35:52,541 --> 01:35:55,798
There are a lack of need for muscle strength and
2144
01:35:55,799 --> 01:35:58,778
our lack of need for violence, and we're moving in
2145
01:35:58,779 --> 01:36:01,098
a society to try to get away from all the
2146
01:36:01,099 --> 01:36:03,898
things that we think are abhorrent about human beings and
2147
01:36:03,899 --> 01:36:05,678
the terrible behaviors that we have.
2148
01:36:05,679 --> 01:36:09,902
If we one day do give birth to some
2149
01:36:09,903 --> 01:36:14,980
sort of an artificial being, like Marshall McLuhan's quote,
2150
01:36:14,981 --> 01:36:17,850
we are the sex organs of the machine world.
2151
01:36:18,380 --> 01:36:20,750
That one day we okay, I'll buy that.
2152
01:36:20,751 --> 01:36:22,216
Yeah, McLuhan was brilliant.
2153
01:36:22,217 --> 01:36:24,194
And that quote has always been one
2154
01:36:24,195 --> 01:36:26,002
of my favorites because okay, what are
2155
01:36:26,003 --> 01:36:29,096
we doing when we're constantly technologically innovating?
2156
01:36:29,097 --> 01:36:31,986
We're constantly looking for faster cars, better
2157
01:36:31,987 --> 01:36:35,158
computers, bigger screens, faster, more resolution, more
2158
01:36:35,159 --> 01:36:37,228
pixels, more this, more that, higher bandwidth,
2159
01:36:37,229 --> 01:36:39,446
five G, ten G. What are we doing?
2160
01:36:39,447 --> 01:36:41,140
We're moving into this.
2161
01:36:41,141 --> 01:36:44,214
If you just follow it objectively, stand back.
2162
01:36:44,215 --> 01:36:46,838
Don't attach yourself or your civilization, your culture to
2163
01:36:46,839 --> 01:36:48,138
it and look at it what it is.
2164
01:36:48,139 --> 01:36:53,168
We're moving 100% towards technological innovation.
2165
01:36:53,169 --> 01:36:55,658
If you looked at this species from afar and
2166
01:36:55,659 --> 01:36:56,874
if you weren't a part of it, you would
2167
01:36:56,875 --> 01:36:58,394
say, well, what does this species do?
2168
01:36:58,395 --> 01:37:00,426
Oh, they make things. They make things better.
2169
01:37:00,427 --> 01:37:02,608
Every year, beehives are the same fucking
2170
01:37:02,609 --> 01:37:04,090
thing that you see ten years ago.
2171
01:37:04,091 --> 01:37:06,458
You go by, you see a beehive. It's amazing. It's cool.
2172
01:37:06,459 --> 01:37:07,802
But they're the same fucking thing.
2173
01:37:07,803 --> 01:37:09,816
They figured out how to do it. They make a beehive.
2174
01:37:09,817 --> 01:37:11,074
Right? We don't do that.
2175
01:37:11,075 --> 01:37:12,146
We make better things.
2176
01:37:12,147 --> 01:37:13,608
What would you do constantly?
2177
01:37:13,609 --> 01:37:15,058
And at some point, I think that
2178
01:37:15,059 --> 01:37:17,186
technology is going to fuse with us. Yes.
2179
01:37:17,187 --> 01:37:19,026
And we're going to become it's already happening.
2180
01:37:19,027 --> 01:37:20,258
Elon Musk talked about it on
2181
01:37:20,259 --> 01:37:21,784
my podcast, that we are cyborgs.
2182
01:37:21,785 --> 01:37:23,634
You just carry it in your pocket. It's a phone.
2183
01:37:23,635 --> 01:37:25,270
It answers any question you want.
2184
01:37:25,271 --> 01:37:26,198
You can talk to it.
2185
01:37:26,199 --> 01:37:27,404
It'll give you the answers.
2186
01:37:27,405 --> 01:37:29,020
The answers instantaneously.
2187
01:37:29,021 --> 01:37:30,294
It navigates you.
2188
01:37:30,295 --> 01:37:31,798
It has all your phone numbers in it.
2189
01:37:31,799 --> 01:37:33,702
It has all your contacts. You can get a hold of people.
2190
01:37:33,703 --> 01:37:35,206
People are listening to you through it.
2191
01:37:35,207 --> 01:37:36,826
It's connecting us in ways even
2192
01:37:36,827 --> 01:37:39,274
involuntarily Haptics, that kind of thing.
2193
01:37:39,275 --> 01:37:40,592
It's also getting on your wrist.
2194
01:37:40,593 --> 01:37:42,080
How many people have eye watches?
2195
01:37:42,081 --> 01:37:43,962
Apple watches, right?
2196
01:37:43,963 --> 01:37:46,298
And that's only because we can't integrate them yet.
2197
01:37:46,299 --> 01:37:48,762
But, you know, that point is coming. 100%. Yeah.
2198
01:37:48,763 --> 01:37:50,398
I didn't joke about it last night, but
2199
01:37:50,399 --> 01:37:51,598
I have a bit about it that I
2200
01:37:51,599 --> 01:37:54,942
do about the integration between humans and technology.
2201
01:37:54,943 --> 01:37:56,094
What would you do if you
2202
01:37:56,095 --> 01:37:58,190
were a hyper intelligence, right?
2203
01:37:58,191 --> 01:38:00,798
Would you do the work yourself, or would you create some
2204
01:38:00,799 --> 01:38:03,426
cool things called like, humans to do it for you?
2205
01:38:03,427 --> 01:38:05,794
Would you create things that are cybernetic organisms to
2206
01:38:05,795 --> 01:38:07,986
come in with machines and do it for you?
2207
01:38:07,987 --> 01:38:09,522
If you were a hyper intelligence that
2208
01:38:09,523 --> 01:38:11,864
has kind of changed, like you've described.
2209
01:38:11,865 --> 01:38:13,894
You'd probably create workers, right?
2210
01:38:13,895 --> 01:38:16,028
Well, that's a vast conspiracy theory.
2211
01:38:16,029 --> 01:38:17,574
I'm not talking about conspiracy, but it
2212
01:38:17,575 --> 01:38:18,492
is a kind of a conspiracy.
2213
01:38:18,493 --> 01:38:19,510
I'm asking you.
2214
01:38:19,511 --> 01:38:22,406
Well, I don't think it's necessarily that.
2215
01:38:22,407 --> 01:38:24,278
I mean, you could look at it that way, but that
2216
01:38:24,279 --> 01:38:26,358
is the way a conspiracy theorist would look at it.
2217
01:38:26,359 --> 01:38:27,418
The way I would look at it is like
2218
01:38:27,419 --> 01:38:31,088
there's obviously a progression going on, a biological progression.
2219
01:38:31,089 --> 01:38:33,514
There's some sort of an integration with technology.
2220
01:38:33,515 --> 01:38:35,216
There's some sort of imperative,
2221
01:38:35,217 --> 01:38:37,552
this need for technological innovation.
2222
01:38:37,553 --> 01:38:38,640
It's inescapable.
2223
01:38:38,641 --> 01:38:39,674
Everyone has it.
2224
01:38:39,675 --> 01:38:41,838
And I think it's attached to materialism in some
2225
01:38:41,839 --> 01:38:44,430
sort of a strange way, because so many people
2226
01:38:44,431 --> 01:38:46,398
work so hard to get new things.
2227
01:38:46,399 --> 01:38:48,958
And like, God, that seems so illogical and preposterous and
2228
01:38:48,959 --> 01:38:50,994
it makes people unhappy and depression's on the rise, but
2229
01:38:50,995 --> 01:38:53,490
nobody seems to be able to stop it. Why is that?
2230
01:38:53,491 --> 01:38:57,912
Well, maybe it's because we are the electronic
2231
01:38:57,913 --> 01:39:00,600
caterpillars that give birth to the butterfly.
2232
01:39:00,601 --> 01:39:01,950
Maybe that's what we're doing.
2233
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:04,946
What our job is to do is to make
2234
01:39:04,947 --> 01:39:07,030
some sort of a cocoon, and we don't even
2235
01:39:07,031 --> 01:39:09,126
know we're doing it while we're doing it.
2236
01:39:09,127 --> 01:39:10,614
Do you think a caterpillar is where like,
2237
01:39:10,615 --> 01:39:12,710
hey, caterpillar, what are you doing, man?
2238
01:39:12,711 --> 01:39:14,262
I'm doing my thing. It's my job.
2239
01:39:14,263 --> 01:39:15,148
I have to make a cocoon.
2240
01:39:15,149 --> 01:39:16,124
Then I'm going to come with a butter.
2241
01:39:16,125 --> 01:39:17,936
This could be a natural part of evolution.
2242
01:39:17,937 --> 01:39:19,162
It could be that we're just
2243
01:39:19,163 --> 01:39:20,570
supposed to do this exactly.
2244
01:39:20,571 --> 01:39:22,298
And make the jump to some
2245
01:39:22,299 --> 01:39:24,730
sort of mechanized right, yeah.
2246
01:39:24,731 --> 01:39:27,262
Non biological an orangutan that
2247
01:39:27,263 --> 01:39:30,220
is fishing with a spear.
2248
01:39:30,221 --> 01:39:33,960
No, they've figured out how to fish with spears.
2249
01:39:34,620 --> 01:39:38,804
There's primatologists without somebody showing
2250
01:39:38,805 --> 01:39:39,636
them how to fish.
2251
01:39:39,637 --> 01:39:42,642
No, they've imitated human beings doing it, and now
2252
01:39:42,643 --> 01:39:44,600
they do it, but they do it independently.
2253
01:39:44,601 --> 01:39:47,464
They're not trained orangutans they're wild orangutan.
2254
01:39:47,465 --> 01:39:48,270
Look at that.
2255
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:50,312
There's a wild orangutan.
2256
01:39:50,313 --> 01:39:51,324
That's impressive.
2257
01:39:51,325 --> 01:39:52,364
Very impressive.
2258
01:39:52,365 --> 01:39:54,774
Well, there's these primatologists, I
2259
01:39:54,775 --> 01:39:56,092
guess you would call them. Primatologists.
2260
01:39:56,093 --> 01:39:58,902
That's the term that's a great biologist biologists that
2261
01:39:58,903 --> 01:40:03,318
believe that monkeys and chimps and some of the
2262
01:40:03,319 --> 01:40:06,042
great apes are moving into the Stone Age, that
2263
01:40:06,043 --> 01:40:07,978
they've currently entered the Stone Age.
2264
01:40:07,979 --> 01:40:10,890
Like they're not staying what they were
2265
01:40:10,891 --> 01:40:13,770
100,000 years ago or 500,000 years ago.
2266
01:40:13,771 --> 01:40:16,768
But they're actively using tools and they're experimenting
2267
01:40:16,769 --> 01:40:19,540
with different ways to use those tools.
2268
01:40:19,541 --> 01:40:21,604
And then they're making tools out of stone, they're
2269
01:40:21,605 --> 01:40:24,590
making tools out of sticks and they're using them.
2270
01:40:24,591 --> 01:40:27,902
Well, this might just be what happens.
2271
01:40:27,903 --> 01:40:29,690
This might just be what happens.
2272
01:40:32,060 --> 01:40:33,950
Why the fuck are we work so hard?
2273
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:36,562
I was driving to La this morning.
2274
01:40:36,563 --> 01:40:38,178
I had a doctor's appointment, so I was
2275
01:40:38,179 --> 01:40:40,226
on the 405 at eight in the morning.
2276
01:40:40,227 --> 01:40:41,602
But Jesus Christ.
2277
01:40:41,603 --> 01:40:42,882
This is so crazy.
2278
01:40:42,883 --> 01:40:44,684
When you're in the 405 in La at 08:00
2279
01:40:44,685 --> 01:40:47,260
in the morning, you see literally a million cars,
2280
01:40:47,261 --> 01:40:49,606
and it's just everywhere you go, it's people.
2281
01:40:49,607 --> 01:40:53,180
And also, I'm in a Tesla, so I have it on autopilot.
2282
01:40:53,181 --> 01:40:55,708
So I'm there sitting, I'm listening to a podcast.
2283
01:40:55,709 --> 01:40:57,312
I barely have my hand on the wheel.
2284
01:40:57,313 --> 01:40:58,400
I'm not touching shit.
2285
01:40:58,401 --> 01:41:00,218
This car is driving me along.
2286
01:41:00,219 --> 01:41:03,242
I'm not even doing anything, I'm just hanging out.
2287
01:41:03,243 --> 01:41:04,698
It's so much less stressful, by
2288
01:41:04,699 --> 01:41:06,122
the way, to do that way. Right.
2289
01:41:06,123 --> 01:41:08,282
So it encourages you to innovate, it
2290
01:41:08,283 --> 01:41:11,006
encourages you to embrace this new technology.
2291
01:41:11,007 --> 01:41:12,430
I got this giant screen.
2292
01:41:12,431 --> 01:41:14,590
It's showing me the navigation in front of me.
2293
01:41:14,591 --> 01:41:16,820
Oh, I'll be there five minutes early. Excellent.
2294
01:41:16,821 --> 01:41:19,716
And I'm listening to a podcast wirelessly.
2295
01:41:19,717 --> 01:41:22,158
It's Bluetooth streaming from my phone.
2296
01:41:22,159 --> 01:41:24,978
And I pulled that podcast, which came out today out
2297
01:41:24,979 --> 01:41:27,474
of the fucking sky, and I'm listening to it and
2298
01:41:27,475 --> 01:41:30,056
I'm all comfortable in my nice little car, just driving
2299
01:41:30,057 --> 01:41:31,410
on my way to the doctor's office.
2300
01:41:31,411 --> 01:41:33,314
This is irresistible stuff. Yeah.
2301
01:41:33,315 --> 01:41:35,926
Different than your walkman back in the day.
2302
01:41:35,927 --> 01:41:37,004
Irresistible.
2303
01:41:37,005 --> 01:41:38,012
It is irresistible.
2304
01:41:38,013 --> 01:41:40,508
It's frighteningly. Irresistible. But is it frightening?
2305
01:41:40,509 --> 01:41:42,022
I mean, if you were a monkey, right?
2306
01:41:42,023 --> 01:41:45,404
If you were an Australia pithecus, would you go, man, I don't
2307
01:41:45,405 --> 01:41:47,562
want to fucking be a person and live in a house.
2308
01:41:47,563 --> 01:41:48,480
That's bullshit.
2309
01:41:48,481 --> 01:41:50,464
I like just swinging around on trees.
2310
01:41:50,465 --> 01:41:52,192
I like running from jaguars.
2311
01:41:52,193 --> 01:41:53,722
This is life, guys.
2312
01:41:53,723 --> 01:41:55,264
Life is running from crocodiles.
2313
01:41:55,265 --> 01:41:56,608
It's not living in a fucking suburban.
2314
01:41:56,609 --> 01:41:58,490
No, there's probably some that are like that.
2315
01:41:58,491 --> 01:41:59,946
Yeah, I don't think so.
2316
01:41:59,947 --> 01:42:02,670
I think when it comes, we're going to embrace it.
2317
01:42:02,671 --> 01:42:04,238
We're going to embrace it the same way you
2318
01:42:04,239 --> 01:42:07,060
embrace cell phones, the same way you embrace television.
2319
01:42:07,061 --> 01:42:08,244
There's going to be a few holdouts.
2320
01:42:08,245 --> 01:42:10,090
I don't even have an email address, man.
2321
01:42:10,620 --> 01:42:12,222
There's a few and far between the
2322
01:42:12,223 --> 01:42:14,168
good luck with that, fuck face. Go. Move to the woods.
2323
01:42:14,169 --> 01:42:15,048
Ted Kaczynski.
2324
01:42:15,049 --> 01:42:16,114
Yeah, I was just going to
2325
01:42:16,115 --> 01:42:18,770
throw Ted ted Kaczynski was right.
2326
01:42:18,771 --> 01:42:20,002
This is something that I think about
2327
01:42:20,003 --> 01:42:21,666
sometimes when I get really high.
2328
01:42:21,667 --> 01:42:23,906
That Ted Kaczynski was a part
2329
01:42:23,907 --> 01:42:25,708
of the Harvard LSD Studies.
2330
01:42:25,709 --> 01:42:26,700
This has been proven.
2331
01:42:26,701 --> 01:42:28,748
Ted Kaczynski, they cooked his fucking
2332
01:42:28,749 --> 01:42:30,412
brain when he was at Harvard.
2333
01:42:30,413 --> 01:42:32,044
And then when he went over to Berkeley and became
2334
01:42:32,045 --> 01:42:34,518
a professor, his goal was to make enough money so
2335
01:42:34,519 --> 01:42:37,338
that he could implement this program and live in the
2336
01:42:37,339 --> 01:42:40,314
woods and then write his manifesto and start killing people
2337
01:42:40,315 --> 01:42:42,890
that were involved in propagating technology.
2338
01:42:42,891 --> 01:42:46,858
He was expunged from the Harvard logs, by the way.
2339
01:42:46,859 --> 01:42:48,922
This is something my friend just called me about.
2340
01:42:48,923 --> 01:42:52,238
So there's, like, this private library, and they used
2341
01:42:52,239 --> 01:42:54,478
to print people's names whenever they were part of
2342
01:42:54,479 --> 01:42:56,452
a university, and he was one of a handful
2343
01:42:56,453 --> 01:42:58,958
of people that were expunged from it.
2344
01:42:58,959 --> 01:43:01,778
I want to jump back to the one thing, joe, I
2345
01:43:01,779 --> 01:43:04,540
want to be very careful with that word conspiracy theorist.
2346
01:43:05,120 --> 01:43:06,178
What I was saying to you
2347
01:43:06,179 --> 01:43:09,752
was, we TerraForm our Earth, right? We TerraForm.
2348
01:43:09,753 --> 01:43:10,872
We change the environment.
2349
01:43:10,873 --> 01:43:12,520
We do all this innovation.
2350
01:43:12,521 --> 01:43:14,514
What is stopping us from thinking
2351
01:43:14,515 --> 01:43:16,822
that that's not being done? I'm not saying it is.
2352
01:43:16,823 --> 01:43:19,302
I'm saying what's stopping us from thinking that that's being
2353
01:43:19,303 --> 01:43:22,550
done on a much bigger level, on a cosmic level.
2354
01:43:22,551 --> 01:43:24,988
You mean like aliens coming down, doing that to humans?
2355
01:43:24,989 --> 01:43:27,126
Well, I'm I'm telling you that there is something here.
2356
01:43:27,127 --> 01:43:28,774
That's there's a fact, you know,
2357
01:43:28,775 --> 01:43:31,002
there's something there are craft. They're here.
2358
01:43:31,003 --> 01:43:32,490
They're not ours. They're here.
2359
01:43:32,491 --> 01:43:35,370
So the question is, what is that about?
2360
01:43:35,371 --> 01:43:36,618
And I'm just looking at what we
2361
01:43:36,619 --> 01:43:39,180
do with what you're describing with technology.
2362
01:43:39,181 --> 01:43:41,822
I think it's much more likely that the same
2363
01:43:41,823 --> 01:43:44,958
way we observe chimps and we observe that they
2364
01:43:44,959 --> 01:43:47,172
are now in the Stone Age, that they're observing
2365
01:43:47,173 --> 01:43:49,214
us, and that they're recognizing that there is a
2366
01:43:49,215 --> 01:43:52,322
pattern, that there's steps that happen.
2367
01:43:52,323 --> 01:43:54,792
I mean, Carl Sagan talked about the different levels
2368
01:43:54,793 --> 01:43:58,146
of civilization, and if we don't get past certain
2369
01:43:58,147 --> 01:44:00,562
levels, we're never going to reach this.
2370
01:44:00,563 --> 01:44:01,772
We're in type one civilization.
2371
01:44:01,773 --> 01:44:02,870
We're going to stay type zero.
2372
01:44:02,871 --> 01:44:07,084
Well, we're in this warring polluting pillaging.
2373
01:44:07,085 --> 01:44:08,800
We're awesome civilizations.
2374
01:44:09,540 --> 01:44:11,014
Well, we're awesome in a lot of
2375
01:44:11,015 --> 01:44:13,078
ways, but in that way we're not.
2376
01:44:13,079 --> 01:44:16,278
Yeah, we're children that have immense power that we
2377
01:44:16,279 --> 01:44:18,698
didn't really the other thing is you're using the
2378
01:44:18,699 --> 01:44:21,786
immense power that other people have created, right?
2379
01:44:21,787 --> 01:44:23,162
I mean, even when you're driving a car
2380
01:44:23,163 --> 01:44:25,040
and you're stomping on the gas, like, whoo.
2381
01:44:25,041 --> 01:44:26,942
You didn't invent the fucking engine.
2382
01:44:26,943 --> 01:44:28,356
You didn't invent tires.
2383
01:44:28,357 --> 01:44:31,444
There's all these things that were involved in the creation
2384
01:44:31,445 --> 01:44:36,548
of this thing that is really outside of your grasp
2385
01:44:36,549 --> 01:44:39,058
of understanding, but yet you have the ability to use
2386
01:44:39,059 --> 01:44:40,584
it like a person with a gun.
2387
01:44:40,585 --> 01:44:42,546
I'm just going to bang, bang, bang people.
2388
01:44:42,547 --> 01:44:43,848
You didn't invent a gun.
2389
01:44:43,849 --> 01:44:50,290
So without the intellect to craft and engineer and
2390
01:44:50,291 --> 01:44:53,218
manifest these creations, you just have access to them
2391
01:44:53,219 --> 01:44:55,078
because you have paper or you have bitcoin or
2392
01:44:55,079 --> 01:44:56,934
you have whatever the fuck you're using using a
2393
01:44:56,935 --> 01:45:01,148
credit card now, you have almost no responsibility.
2394
01:45:01,149 --> 01:45:03,478
You could just flippantly use these things.
2395
01:45:03,479 --> 01:45:07,642
Which is why we were very childlike in our
2396
01:45:07,643 --> 01:45:11,440
actions, because we haven't had to earn the responsibility.
2397
01:45:11,441 --> 01:45:13,610
We haven't had to earn these things
2398
01:45:13,611 --> 01:45:15,146
that we've been able to have.
2399
01:45:15,147 --> 01:45:17,562
And you've only been able to have them because other
2400
01:45:17,563 --> 01:45:21,918
people have innovated and spent ungodly amounts of time and
2401
01:45:21,919 --> 01:45:24,414
effort and focus in the lab to create these things.
2402
01:45:24,415 --> 01:45:26,222
And then they've all put them together.
2403
01:45:26,223 --> 01:45:28,686
And then what's the reason to put them together?
2404
01:45:28,687 --> 01:45:29,396
To profit.
2405
01:45:29,397 --> 01:45:30,868
Well, what's the reason to profit?
2406
01:45:30,869 --> 01:45:31,598
Why are you doing this?
2407
01:45:31,599 --> 01:45:33,810
So you can buy more things. What are we doing?
2408
01:45:33,811 --> 01:45:34,626
What are we doing?
2409
01:45:34,627 --> 01:45:36,978
We're making better things. That's what we do.
2410
01:45:36,979 --> 01:45:37,570
That's all.
2411
01:45:37,571 --> 01:45:39,410
That's all we do is make better things.
2412
01:45:39,411 --> 01:45:41,448
Why the fuck do we need oil? Why do we need oil?
2413
01:45:41,449 --> 01:45:43,778
Why can't we just burn wood and stay home?
2414
01:45:43,779 --> 01:45:46,780
Why can't we grow chickens and food in the backyard?
2415
01:45:46,781 --> 01:45:47,478
Why can't we do it?
2416
01:45:47,479 --> 01:45:49,366
Well, we fucking can. We certainly can.
2417
01:45:49,367 --> 01:45:50,598
People do do it, but we
2418
01:45:50,599 --> 01:45:53,084
decide to make that almost impossible.
2419
01:45:53,085 --> 01:45:55,110
Our preferred way of living is to stuff
2420
01:45:55,111 --> 01:45:57,274
everyone into a very small area where no
2421
01:45:57,275 --> 01:45:59,120
one grows anything other than weed.
2422
01:45:59,121 --> 01:46:00,554
This is what La is.
2423
01:46:00,555 --> 01:46:04,016
La is 20 million people with hard surfaces.
2424
01:46:04,017 --> 01:46:05,818
As many hard surfaces as you can.
2425
01:46:05,819 --> 01:46:08,448
Boy, if you got an acre backyard in La. Holy shit.
2426
01:46:08,449 --> 01:46:10,398
Look at all that grain. This is amazing.
2427
01:46:10,399 --> 01:46:12,894
Well, no, that's the fucking Earth coming
2428
01:46:12,895 --> 01:46:15,838
through this weird sort of creation that
2429
01:46:15,839 --> 01:46:17,028
we've put on top of the Earth.
2430
01:46:17,029 --> 01:46:19,358
But the goal is like New York City.
2431
01:46:19,359 --> 01:46:21,074
There's none of it right.
2432
01:46:21,075 --> 01:46:22,418
You got Central Park, and they
2433
01:46:22,419 --> 01:46:25,042
just got human shit stacked up.
2434
01:46:25,043 --> 01:46:26,258
No one's growing anything.
2435
01:46:26,259 --> 01:46:27,954
And then constant work.
2436
01:46:27,955 --> 01:46:29,378
Everyone's up early.
2437
01:46:29,379 --> 01:46:30,800
Go, go.
2438
01:46:30,801 --> 01:46:33,238
Innovate progress, make that money so
2439
01:46:33,239 --> 01:46:34,582
you can buy more things.
2440
01:46:34,583 --> 01:46:36,492
And every year, hey, Apple,
2441
01:46:36,493 --> 01:46:37,910
where's this fucking new phone?
2442
01:46:37,911 --> 01:46:40,918
As if your phone isn't good enough, your
2443
01:46:40,919 --> 01:46:43,846
phone's taking pictures and videos and people are
2444
01:46:43,847 --> 01:46:46,038
calling you and you got applications to tell
2445
01:46:46,039 --> 01:46:48,426
you which way the wind's blowing. It's not good enough.
2446
01:46:48,427 --> 01:46:50,938
A blink of an eye, it's all gone, though.
2447
01:46:50,939 --> 01:46:52,506
That like 10,000 years.
2448
01:46:52,507 --> 01:46:53,722
And the Hoover Dam goes,
2449
01:46:53,723 --> 01:46:56,048
or whatever Mount Rushmore disintegrates.
2450
01:46:56,049 --> 01:46:58,346
So it's amazing because we have created that
2451
01:46:58,347 --> 01:47:00,158
and everything's trying to spring up through that.
2452
01:47:00,159 --> 01:47:03,326
We keep it maintenance down, but we're a blink man.
2453
01:47:03,327 --> 01:47:04,436
Something hits.
2454
01:47:04,437 --> 01:47:06,046
But we don't think that way.
2455
01:47:06,047 --> 01:47:07,998
You think in terms of your own life, right?
2456
01:47:07,999 --> 01:47:10,386
You think in terms of what you want and what you need.
2457
01:47:10,387 --> 01:47:15,112
Right now, we are, in many ways, this combination
2458
01:47:15,113 --> 01:47:20,210
of this weird, primitive, ape like thing with the
2459
01:47:20,211 --> 01:47:23,778
ability to calculate and manipulate our world and our
2460
01:47:23,779 --> 01:47:25,516
environment that makes us wholly unique.
2461
01:47:25,517 --> 01:47:28,828
On top of that, with existential angst and fear.
2462
01:47:28,829 --> 01:47:29,638
So what do you do with that?
2463
01:47:29,639 --> 01:47:32,188
We fucking water it down with antidepressants.
2464
01:47:32,189 --> 01:47:33,398
Give these fucking people some
2465
01:47:33,399 --> 01:47:34,790
shit that keeps them moving.
2466
01:47:34,791 --> 01:47:36,006
They're worried about the future.
2467
01:47:36,007 --> 01:47:37,946
They're trying to figure out what reality is.
2468
01:47:37,947 --> 01:47:40,544
You're on a goddamn convertible spaceship, spending
2469
01:47:40,545 --> 01:47:43,344
1000 miles an hour hurling through infinity.
2470
01:47:43,345 --> 01:47:44,842
There's no meaning to this thing.
2471
01:47:44,843 --> 01:47:47,374
Just keep making shit, keep making stuff.
2472
01:47:47,375 --> 01:47:49,614
And then one day they're going to be able to
2473
01:47:49,615 --> 01:47:52,782
hit that switch and this life will be born out
2474
01:47:52,783 --> 01:47:57,006
of innovation and thinking and progress and technology.
2475
01:47:57,007 --> 01:48:00,258
And more than likely, it's probably going to be what
2476
01:48:00,259 --> 01:48:04,568
we're seeing that these things are that you're observing.
2477
01:48:04,569 --> 01:48:07,208
I'm not observing them, but yeah, someone's observing.
2478
01:48:07,209 --> 01:48:09,218
Are you implying that they're us?
2479
01:48:09,219 --> 01:48:11,830
I don't think they are us, but I think they are.
2480
01:48:11,831 --> 01:48:15,782
What happens when things keep going? It's not us.
2481
01:48:15,783 --> 01:48:17,638
Just like we're not monkeys, right?
2482
01:48:17,639 --> 01:48:19,228
I'm not a chimp.
2483
01:48:19,229 --> 01:48:20,326
That'd be cool.
2484
01:48:20,327 --> 01:48:21,334
They're from here.
2485
01:48:21,335 --> 01:48:22,422
Is your idea?
2486
01:48:22,423 --> 01:48:24,630
No, that this is what happens
2487
01:48:24,631 --> 01:48:26,668
all over the universe, right? Yeah, totally.
2488
01:48:26,669 --> 01:48:27,466
This is what happened.
2489
01:48:27,467 --> 01:48:28,634
Look, here's the thing.
2490
01:48:28,635 --> 01:48:30,660
I went to see Brian Cox's.
2491
01:48:31,320 --> 01:48:35,082
He has this amazing live show with Robin Ins
2492
01:48:35,083 --> 01:48:39,924
where they have these Led screens, these huge screens
2493
01:48:39,925 --> 01:48:42,948
with high resolution depictions of the cosmos.
2494
01:48:42,949 --> 01:48:46,702
And one of the most mind blowing things was he
2495
01:48:46,703 --> 01:48:50,002
has this large scale image of the universe and it
2496
01:48:50,003 --> 01:48:52,898
shows all the individual galaxies of the universe, and it
2497
01:48:52,899 --> 01:48:56,392
just keeps moving through all these galaxies in three dimensions.
2498
01:48:56,393 --> 01:48:58,200
And it's fucking incredible.
2499
01:48:58,201 --> 01:49:01,750
But what's stunning is the relative uniformity of it.
2500
01:49:01,751 --> 01:49:06,668
Even at me, you're obviously looking at an incredibly
2501
01:49:06,669 --> 01:49:10,118
small depiction of something that's immensely large, like a
2502
01:49:10,119 --> 01:49:11,852
galaxy of hundreds of billions of stars.
2503
01:49:11,853 --> 01:49:14,022
You're seeing it as this little dot, but this
2504
01:49:14,023 --> 01:49:18,266
little dot that's flying through space surrounded by other
2505
01:49:18,267 --> 01:49:22,458
little darts with very similarly spaced distances. Yeah.
2506
01:49:22,459 --> 01:49:23,140
Homage.
2507
01:49:23,720 --> 01:49:27,338
So, Mike, if we see uniformity in that form, in
2508
01:49:27,339 --> 01:49:30,756
terms of the distance between galaxies, so many galaxies.
2509
01:49:30,757 --> 01:49:31,694
It's so similar.
2510
01:49:31,695 --> 01:49:33,998
They might vary slightly and that slightly might
2511
01:49:33,999 --> 01:49:36,380
be hundreds of millions of light years. Right?
2512
01:49:36,381 --> 01:49:38,628
But there's so much uniformity.
2513
01:49:38,629 --> 01:49:40,158
Why would we not assume that
2514
01:49:40,159 --> 01:49:42,744
that uniformity exists pretty much everywhere?
2515
01:49:42,745 --> 01:49:44,114
And that all these things that
2516
01:49:44,115 --> 01:49:45,474
you're seeing that are so similar.
2517
01:49:45,475 --> 01:49:47,848
You do see binary star systems.
2518
01:49:47,849 --> 01:49:49,842
You do see single star systems like Star.
2519
01:49:49,843 --> 01:49:52,658
But there's also some speculation that Earth and that our
2520
01:49:52,659 --> 01:49:55,718
solar system one time was a binary star system. Right?
2521
01:49:55,719 --> 01:49:58,566
I mean, that's one of the speculations about that
2522
01:49:58,567 --> 01:50:00,934
object that they find outside the Kuiper belt that
2523
01:50:00,935 --> 01:50:02,508
the thing is ten times larger than Earth.
2524
01:50:02,509 --> 01:50:03,510
They think it might have been at
2525
01:50:03,511 --> 01:50:04,906
one point in time, a star.
2526
01:50:04,907 --> 01:50:08,458
But this uniformity that you see, why wouldn't we
2527
01:50:08,459 --> 01:50:13,424
think that has its same implications biologically, that there's
2528
01:50:13,425 --> 01:50:16,026
some sort of a biological uniformity and that this
2529
01:50:16,027 --> 01:50:19,480
happens given the right sets of circumstances.
2530
01:50:19,481 --> 01:50:21,118
You should tell them some of the stuff that
2531
01:50:21,119 --> 01:50:23,262
you've read that you don't know is true.
2532
01:50:23,263 --> 01:50:24,942
I mean, if the stuff was
2533
01:50:24,943 --> 01:50:28,158
true about the propulsion stuff anyway.
2534
01:50:28,159 --> 01:50:30,830
Well, what have you read what you saw too?
2535
01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:32,830
What are you talking about?
2536
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:35,500
Spill the beans, Bob.
2537
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:37,634
I got to poke the bear here.
2538
01:50:37,635 --> 01:50:39,070
Get some more liquor in you.
2539
01:50:44,100 --> 01:50:47,100
Again, the only thing I could verify
2540
01:50:47,101 --> 01:50:49,330
was what I had my hands on.
2541
01:50:51,300 --> 01:50:53,612
There was talk of weapon systems,
2542
01:50:53,613 --> 01:50:55,264
that there were different projects.
2543
01:50:55,265 --> 01:50:57,994
Project Galileo, Project Sidekick was supposed to
2544
01:50:57,995 --> 01:51:00,180
be weapon applications of the craft.
2545
01:51:00,920 --> 01:51:03,754
Project Looking Glass had to do with time,
2546
01:51:03,755 --> 01:51:05,776
any effects of time in the craft.
2547
01:51:05,777 --> 01:51:08,446
Now, I don't think we're not talking about
2548
01:51:08,447 --> 01:51:10,900
making a time machine like in science fiction,
2549
01:51:10,901 --> 01:51:14,772
but we're talking about small distortions, intentional distortions
2550
01:51:14,773 --> 01:51:17,690
of time and how that can be used.
2551
01:51:20,780 --> 01:51:22,530
Well, it was part of a weapon program.
2552
01:51:22,531 --> 01:51:24,018
How are you informed in this?
2553
01:51:24,019 --> 01:51:25,362
These, again, were just those
2554
01:51:25,363 --> 01:51:27,058
small briefings that I read.
2555
01:51:27,059 --> 01:51:29,826
But again, I don't really like to talk about
2556
01:51:29,827 --> 01:51:31,938
those because I don't have any information on them.
2557
01:51:31,939 --> 01:51:34,088
And it was just small briefings.
2558
01:51:34,089 --> 01:51:36,534
But you told Commander Fraver that what he saw
2559
01:51:36,535 --> 01:51:39,478
might have been a time dilation in that.
2560
01:51:39,479 --> 01:51:40,774
Well, it could be because
2561
01:51:40,775 --> 01:51:43,376
gravity affects time spacetime.
2562
01:51:43,377 --> 01:51:44,698
I'm sure you've heard of that.
2563
01:51:44,699 --> 01:51:50,602
And what Commander Fraver saw as he was in the F
2564
01:51:50,603 --> 01:51:55,328
18 approaching it, he said he described it as a ping
2565
01:51:55,329 --> 01:51:57,492
pong ball in a cup and shaking it back and forth.
2566
01:51:57,493 --> 01:51:59,102
It was moving that fast.
2567
01:51:59,103 --> 01:52:01,902
Now, obviously, if there's anything inside there,
2568
01:52:01,903 --> 01:52:03,966
it's going to be battered to hell.
2569
01:52:03,967 --> 01:52:08,562
But my point was that, well, one of two things.
2570
01:52:08,563 --> 01:52:11,266
Either there's a gravitational envelope in there
2571
01:52:11,267 --> 01:52:16,002
which negates any inertia effects, or you
2572
01:52:16,003 --> 01:52:18,910
are seeing through a gravity distortion field.
2573
01:52:19,440 --> 01:52:23,464
So just like you're looking at a hot highway
2574
01:52:23,465 --> 01:52:27,606
and you see an optical distortion going through there,
2575
01:52:27,607 --> 01:52:29,388
well, the same thing happens in gravity.
2576
01:52:29,389 --> 01:52:31,702
And the craft may not actually be moving like that.
2577
01:52:31,703 --> 01:52:34,950
It may just look like it because you
2578
01:52:34,951 --> 01:52:37,562
can only see it through the field, so
2579
01:52:37,563 --> 01:52:40,144
it may be making much more gentle moves.
2580
01:52:40,145 --> 01:52:42,458
I'm not saying that's it but it
2581
01:52:42,459 --> 01:52:44,282
has to be one of the two.
2582
01:52:44,283 --> 01:52:46,922
And the thing shows up 60 miles away.
2583
01:52:46,923 --> 01:52:51,348
They noticed it on radar 60 seconds after it left commander
2584
01:52:51,349 --> 01:52:53,838
Fraver, but it was at his cap point, which is the
2585
01:52:53,839 --> 01:52:57,726
next point he was destined to go to, 60 miles away.
2586
01:52:57,727 --> 01:53:00,392
And in 60 seconds on radar,
2587
01:53:00,393 --> 01:53:03,362
the same object ends up there.
2588
01:53:03,363 --> 01:53:05,266
So it's going a mile a second.
2589
01:53:05,267 --> 01:53:09,656
No, I think the radar just picked it up in 60 seconds.
2590
01:53:09,657 --> 01:53:11,590
Yeah, it could have been there instantly, but
2591
01:53:11,591 --> 01:53:14,588
yeah, we don't know the cycles time. Nobody knows.
2592
01:53:14,589 --> 01:53:15,494
That's the whole thing.
2593
01:53:15,495 --> 01:53:17,840
So it cycles like radar cycles.
2594
01:53:18,580 --> 01:53:22,268
It doesn't sweep, but I mean, it's a planar
2595
01:53:22,269 --> 01:53:26,108
array, so it just scans around at random places
2596
01:53:26,109 --> 01:53:28,362
that's the spy one does the really cool it
2597
01:53:28,363 --> 01:53:31,034
doesn't do the whole loop anymore. Right.
2598
01:53:31,035 --> 01:53:33,856
The point is, though, that the craft moved
2599
01:53:33,857 --> 01:53:37,262
to his next location before he knew where
2600
01:53:37,263 --> 01:53:39,246
his next location was going to be.
2601
01:53:39,247 --> 01:53:44,724
Jesus, that's well documented.
2602
01:53:44,725 --> 01:53:48,754
So that's a pretty shocking piece of information.
2603
01:53:48,755 --> 01:53:50,434
What's fascinating to me, too, is that you
2604
01:53:50,435 --> 01:53:55,378
were discussing the way this reactor worked and
2605
01:53:55,379 --> 01:53:58,000
that these things were not really connected.
2606
01:53:58,001 --> 01:54:00,376
No, nothing is connected.
2607
01:54:00,377 --> 01:54:03,010
There's no wiring at all.
2608
01:54:04,820 --> 01:54:06,406
That freaks me the fuck out.
2609
01:54:06,407 --> 01:54:07,940
Charge your iPhone.
2610
01:54:07,941 --> 01:54:13,612
Wireless electromagnetic.
2611
01:54:13,613 --> 01:54:14,924
Yeah, I know, again, but that's
2612
01:54:14,925 --> 01:54:17,878
just simple electromagnetic magnetic induction. Right?
2613
01:54:17,879 --> 01:54:19,376
But I mean, tesla, the scientist
2614
01:54:19,377 --> 01:54:21,450
had this concept of right.
2615
01:54:21,451 --> 01:54:22,554
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
2616
01:54:22,555 --> 01:54:23,738
I mean, for other people that don't know what
2617
01:54:23,739 --> 01:54:27,338
we're saying, he wanted to send wireless electricity through
2618
01:54:27,339 --> 01:54:29,248
the sky, and westinghouse was like, get the fuck
2619
01:54:29,249 --> 01:54:31,342
out of here, with that when anybody could just
2620
01:54:31,343 --> 01:54:33,332
pull electricity out of the sky meter.
2621
01:54:33,333 --> 01:54:35,214
Yeah, they couldn't we had to talk in the
2622
01:54:35,215 --> 01:54:36,910
car right over I'm trying to chill him out.
2623
01:54:36,911 --> 01:54:39,268
We're talking about tesla and how he couldn't
2624
01:54:39,269 --> 01:54:40,962
be metered and how it all went down.
2625
01:54:40,963 --> 01:54:42,670
So it's funny you bring it up. Yeah.
2626
01:54:44,320 --> 01:54:47,624
Who knows what would have happened in terms of innovation
2627
01:54:47,625 --> 01:54:49,874
had he been allowed to go forward with that?
2628
01:54:49,875 --> 01:54:53,398
Well, we probably wouldn't have computers, you think?
2629
01:54:53,399 --> 01:54:54,940
Yeah, I'm pretty positive.
2630
01:54:54,941 --> 01:54:56,956
I mean, forget about microelectronics.
2631
01:54:56,957 --> 01:54:59,228
Well, this is dumping huge amounts
2632
01:54:59,229 --> 01:55:01,062
of electromagnetic energy in the air.
2633
01:55:01,063 --> 01:55:03,798
And yeah, we'd be able to wirelessly turn on
2634
01:55:03,799 --> 01:55:07,920
our lights, but there'd be no radio communication.
2635
01:55:07,921 --> 01:55:09,306
The interference would be something
2636
01:55:09,307 --> 01:55:10,864
we could would be overwhelming.
2637
01:55:10,865 --> 01:55:13,610
It would induce electric currents in anything
2638
01:55:13,611 --> 01:55:14,938
with a small wire on it.
2639
01:55:14,939 --> 01:55:18,020
So integrated circuits, transistors would be disintegrated
2640
01:55:18,021 --> 01:55:21,300
before they were even tested for operation.
2641
01:55:21,301 --> 01:55:24,510
So it would destroy us up.
2642
01:55:24,511 --> 01:55:27,438
Yeah, it would have stopped us dead. It'd be great.
2643
01:55:27,439 --> 01:55:29,358
You can turn lighters on and heaters from
2644
01:55:29,359 --> 01:55:30,868
all over the place with no wires.
2645
01:55:30,869 --> 01:55:33,016
But it would stop modern electronics.
2646
01:55:33,017 --> 01:55:34,962
And if we became dependent on it, it would
2647
01:55:34,963 --> 01:55:37,752
almost be like our dependence on fossil fuels.
2648
01:55:37,753 --> 01:55:39,778
Although it's destructive, it's very difficult for
2649
01:55:39,779 --> 01:55:41,600
us to get off the nipple.
2650
01:55:41,601 --> 01:55:43,378
It would have changed the course of how we
2651
01:55:43,379 --> 01:55:45,382
developed, which is so interesting when you talk about
2652
01:55:45,383 --> 01:55:48,102
if a civilization of the star system didn't even
2653
01:55:48,103 --> 01:55:50,678
start with fossil fuels, they had 115 naturally on
2654
01:55:50,679 --> 01:55:52,006
their planet, and they're like, Cool.
2655
01:55:52,007 --> 01:55:53,498
Antigravity is pretty awesome.
2656
01:55:53,499 --> 01:55:54,634
Well, the fact that they I think
2657
01:55:54,635 --> 01:55:58,040
it's important that that actually happened. Yeah.
2658
01:55:58,041 --> 01:56:01,002
It might have been stopped in its tracks for a reason.
2659
01:56:01,003 --> 01:56:01,860
Whoa.
2660
01:56:05,580 --> 01:56:07,518
I think it's incredibly difficult for us
2661
01:56:07,519 --> 01:56:10,772
to imagine technological progression under another timeline
2662
01:56:10,773 --> 01:56:12,548
other than the one that we've experienced.
2663
01:56:12,549 --> 01:56:13,850
Yeah, that's difficult.
2664
01:56:14,460 --> 01:56:18,398
If we imagine what this alien race must have
2665
01:56:18,399 --> 01:56:23,010
been like god, just to be able to see
2666
01:56:23,011 --> 01:56:26,328
something obviously, we've seen it in different life forms.
2667
01:56:26,329 --> 01:56:26,498
Right.
2668
01:56:26,499 --> 01:56:28,440
Like, we see the life of certain beetles
2669
01:56:28,441 --> 01:56:30,808
in comparison to the life of certain fish.
2670
01:56:30,809 --> 01:56:34,572
Very different existence, very different life cycles.
2671
01:56:34,573 --> 01:56:35,340
Octopus.
2672
01:56:35,341 --> 01:56:36,748
Yeah, octopus.
2673
01:56:36,749 --> 01:56:38,918
We see all these different variables in terms of
2674
01:56:38,919 --> 01:56:41,798
biological entities on Earth, but we don't see it
2675
01:56:41,799 --> 01:56:44,534
in terms of technological innovation, as we're the only
2676
01:56:44,535 --> 01:56:47,036
one that's intelligent that can innovate.
2677
01:56:47,037 --> 01:56:49,680
We have intelligent creatures, but they're in the ocean.
2678
01:56:49,681 --> 01:56:50,858
The only other thing that are like
2679
01:56:50,859 --> 01:56:52,816
us are dolphins and orcas and whales.
2680
01:56:52,817 --> 01:56:53,818
And they don't have the
2681
01:56:53,819 --> 01:56:55,392
ability to manipulate their environment.
2682
01:56:55,393 --> 01:56:58,832
And subsequently, because they don't have the ability to manipulate
2683
01:56:58,833 --> 01:57:01,444
their environment, we put them in fish tanks, and we're,
2684
01:57:01,445 --> 01:57:03,530
like, get in the tank, do some tricks. Right.
2685
01:57:04,060 --> 01:57:06,718
The only thing he saw in the craft if we
2686
01:57:06,719 --> 01:57:09,838
were considering Bob's story, the only thing that he saw
2687
01:57:09,839 --> 01:57:12,098
in the craft that he related to that looked like
2688
01:57:12,099 --> 01:57:14,728
a human could make was this honeycomb hatch.
2689
01:57:14,729 --> 01:57:16,514
And I always love that because you're, like,
2690
01:57:16,515 --> 01:57:19,704
obsessed with this thing that you could recognize.
2691
01:57:19,705 --> 01:57:22,118
Yeah, I only focus on that because it was
2692
01:57:22,119 --> 01:57:25,190
the one thing that I understood how it worked.
2693
01:57:25,191 --> 01:57:25,782
What was it?
2694
01:57:25,783 --> 01:57:28,694
And it was the access to the level below.
2695
01:57:28,695 --> 01:57:35,420
And it was well, if you take a six pack of beer
2696
01:57:35,421 --> 01:57:39,072
and you take out the cardboard dividers, set it on the table,
2697
01:57:39,073 --> 01:57:42,938
you can put a lot of pressure on the top, but if
2698
01:57:42,939 --> 01:57:45,632
you push it from the sides, it collapses flat.
2699
01:57:45,633 --> 01:57:48,516
So it was something like that in a honeycomb shape
2700
01:57:48,517 --> 01:57:52,638
that was essentially some sort of sheet metal, and you
2701
01:57:52,639 --> 01:57:54,894
could walk on that in the upper layer, but if
2702
01:57:54,895 --> 01:57:57,828
you took the corner, stuck your finger in and pushed,
2703
01:57:57,829 --> 01:58:01,140
it collapsed and made an entryway.
2704
01:58:01,141 --> 01:58:02,654
So I thought that was a really
2705
01:58:02,655 --> 01:58:04,546
unique I'd never seen that before.
2706
01:58:04,547 --> 01:58:05,874
And it was the only thing in the
2707
01:58:05,875 --> 01:58:07,538
craft that made absolute sense to me.
2708
01:58:07,539 --> 01:58:09,826
I said, we can make that, and
2709
01:58:09,827 --> 01:58:11,320
all that is is a hatchway.
2710
01:58:11,321 --> 01:58:14,428
Was there any discussion about the materials
2711
01:58:14,429 --> 01:58:16,236
that were used to make the craft?
2712
01:58:16,237 --> 01:58:18,022
I'm sure there was, but that was the
2713
01:58:18,023 --> 01:58:20,374
metallurgy division had nothing to do with us.
2714
01:58:20,375 --> 01:58:22,422
So you never got not.
2715
01:58:22,423 --> 01:58:23,612
Even the slightest briefing.
2716
01:58:23,613 --> 01:58:26,760
I don't even know if it was metal or it was ceramic.
2717
01:58:26,761 --> 01:58:30,280
I think there's a fine line between the two.
2718
01:58:30,281 --> 01:58:32,938
Now, one of the things that's happened to you
2719
01:58:32,939 --> 01:58:36,836
that has allowed people to discredit you was there's
2720
01:58:36,837 --> 01:58:39,572
obviously been some sort of an effort to erase
2721
01:58:39,573 --> 01:58:44,116
your past, some sort of an effort to erase
2722
01:58:44,117 --> 01:58:48,340
your education history, your employment history at Los Almos.
2723
01:58:48,341 --> 01:58:50,638
In fact, the only way your employment history was
2724
01:58:50,639 --> 01:58:52,702
proven at Los Almos is someone got a list
2725
01:58:52,703 --> 01:58:56,178
of directory of the employees from the past and
2726
01:58:56,179 --> 01:58:57,954
read into it, and you were on that list.
2727
01:58:57,955 --> 01:58:59,458
So it proved that you worked there even though
2728
01:58:59,459 --> 01:59:00,658
people were trying to deny it and they were
2729
01:59:00,659 --> 01:59:02,184
trying to use that as a way to discredit
2730
01:59:02,185 --> 01:59:03,868
you, that you never did work at Los Alamos.
2731
01:59:03,869 --> 01:59:05,520
You weren't really a scientist.
2732
01:59:06,980 --> 01:59:08,694
What was that like to experience?
2733
01:59:08,695 --> 01:59:11,318
I mean, of course, we're talking about the 1980s, the
2734
01:59:11,319 --> 01:59:14,920
1990s, when you could get away with something like that.
2735
01:59:14,921 --> 01:59:15,578
Yeah.
2736
01:59:15,579 --> 01:59:19,402
Obviously there are a lot less
2737
01:59:19,403 --> 01:59:21,082
records on computers at that time.
2738
01:59:21,083 --> 01:59:23,002
It was still file cabinets and
2739
01:59:23,003 --> 01:59:25,792
folders, but yeah, that was frightening.
2740
01:59:25,793 --> 01:59:30,062
That was one of the first things I think
2741
01:59:30,063 --> 01:59:32,606
George Knapp was the first one that uncovered that.
2742
01:59:32,607 --> 01:59:35,640
I mean, he saw my birth certificate disappear.
2743
01:59:36,220 --> 01:59:37,806
It disappeared. Yeah.
2744
01:59:37,807 --> 01:59:38,942
There was no record of your being
2745
01:59:38,943 --> 01:59:40,910
yeah, there was no record of that.
2746
01:59:42,240 --> 01:59:43,842
His mom tells me about that.
2747
01:59:43,843 --> 01:59:46,160
Like, it was frightening for her.
2748
01:59:46,161 --> 01:59:48,210
He's got a real family, he's a real person.
2749
01:59:48,211 --> 01:59:49,810
It's frightening for her.
2750
01:59:49,811 --> 01:59:52,536
But the Los Alamos thing really surprised
2751
01:59:52,537 --> 01:59:54,892
me and that they were so adamant
2752
01:59:54,893 --> 01:59:56,518
that, no, this guy never worked here.
2753
01:59:56,519 --> 01:59:57,452
Don't be ridiculous.
2754
01:59:57,453 --> 01:59:59,958
And George went back and forth for I
2755
01:59:59,959 --> 02:00:01,750
got the letters on the wall months.
2756
02:00:01,751 --> 02:00:03,312
I mean, it was ridiculous.
2757
02:00:03,313 --> 02:00:05,562
But fortunately, somebody came up with
2758
02:00:05,563 --> 02:00:08,360
a 1982 phone book directory.
2759
02:00:08,361 --> 02:00:14,330
And also, originally, I told you when I worked there,
2760
02:00:14,331 --> 02:00:16,394
I was on the front page of the paper.
2761
02:00:16,395 --> 02:00:18,884
So they were still able to archive,
2762
02:00:18,885 --> 02:00:20,292
bring that back from the archives.
2763
02:00:20,293 --> 02:00:22,868
And Bob Lazar, a physicist working here at Los
2764
02:00:22,869 --> 02:00:25,902
Alamo, so there was at least something there.
2765
02:00:25,903 --> 02:00:29,614
But somehow George came up with the phone directory, and
2766
02:00:29,615 --> 02:00:33,880
then Bob took George with cameras into Los Alamos.
2767
02:00:33,881 --> 02:00:34,642
Oh, yeah.
2768
02:00:34,643 --> 02:00:37,426
So we flew out there and I said, look, come on in.
2769
02:00:37,427 --> 02:00:38,690
I'll show you where I worked.
2770
02:00:38,691 --> 02:00:40,226
We'll go in, we'll meet people.
2771
02:00:40,227 --> 02:00:45,394
And George went with me, navigate the place. Oh, yeah.
2772
02:00:45,395 --> 02:00:46,430
Met people.
2773
02:00:47,040 --> 02:00:51,356
Los Alamos was also the place where they had the machine
2774
02:00:51,357 --> 02:00:54,764
that was able to read the size of your digits.
2775
02:00:54,765 --> 02:00:57,530
No, that was s four. That was s four.
2776
02:00:57,531 --> 02:00:59,030
And explain that.
2777
02:01:00,200 --> 02:01:02,458
Now, this was back in the this is
2778
02:01:02,459 --> 02:01:04,544
back in the 80s where when you discussed
2779
02:01:04,545 --> 02:01:06,868
this, people are like, this doesn't even exist.
2780
02:01:06,869 --> 02:01:08,542
Yeah, okay, what was it?
2781
02:01:08,543 --> 02:01:11,908
It was a way this is before fingerprint scanners
2782
02:01:11,909 --> 02:01:18,286
and any high resolution scanner at that time.
2783
02:01:18,287 --> 02:01:21,518
So what it was was a device that had a little
2784
02:01:21,519 --> 02:01:24,578
picture of a hand on a glass plate with pins in
2785
02:01:24,579 --> 02:01:27,058
it so you could jam your hand in there and there
2786
02:01:27,059 --> 02:01:29,720
was a bright light above it and a sensor underneath.
2787
02:01:29,721 --> 02:01:32,326
And when you put your hand in there, the light
2788
02:01:32,327 --> 02:01:34,998
would turn on and it would measure the bones in
2789
02:01:34,999 --> 02:01:38,636
your finger because the light shone through your bones.
2790
02:01:38,637 --> 02:01:43,158
And apparently the length of the bones in your
2791
02:01:43,159 --> 02:01:46,172
fingers are extremely unique and easy to measure.
2792
02:01:46,173 --> 02:01:47,718
And they use that.
2793
02:01:47,719 --> 02:01:49,402
When you put your hands on there, the light
2794
02:01:49,403 --> 02:01:51,306
would turn on and your badge would pop out.
2795
02:01:51,307 --> 02:01:53,642
There's it right there. Oh, there it is. That's it.
2796
02:01:53,643 --> 02:01:56,538
And I tried to describe this to people and they
2797
02:01:56,539 --> 02:01:59,706
said, that is the most ridiculous thing we've ever heard.
2798
02:01:59,707 --> 02:02:03,518
And I said, hey, my badge came out of that thing.
2799
02:02:03,519 --> 02:02:06,164
I put my hand on it, badge popped out and that's
2800
02:02:06,165 --> 02:02:08,490
how I could open the doors and get into S Four.
2801
02:02:10,060 --> 02:02:11,662
And everybody discredited that.
2802
02:02:11,663 --> 02:02:13,768
They said it was bullshit, it was science fiction.
2803
02:02:13,769 --> 02:02:14,392
And Jeremy.
2804
02:02:14,393 --> 02:02:16,000
You found this?
2805
02:02:16,001 --> 02:02:17,282
I found it through a good
2806
02:02:17,283 --> 02:02:19,048
friend of mine named Tyler Rogueway.
2807
02:02:19,049 --> 02:02:20,834
And he had some good sources inside of
2808
02:02:20,835 --> 02:02:23,618
Area 52 where they also used these for
2809
02:02:23,619 --> 02:02:26,098
the stealth program right around that time.
2810
02:02:26,099 --> 02:02:27,458
So now I've got all these people that
2811
02:02:27,459 --> 02:02:30,866
worked within who said only if you're in
2812
02:02:30,867 --> 02:02:32,864
certain programs would we use this technology knowledge.
2813
02:02:32,865 --> 02:02:33,802
It was kind of shit, actually.
2814
02:02:33,803 --> 02:02:36,112
They didn't keep it for very long beginning of biometrics,
2815
02:02:36,113 --> 02:02:38,064
so I was able to reveal it in my film.
2816
02:02:38,065 --> 02:02:40,682
I kept my mouth shut until I showed it to
2817
02:02:40,683 --> 02:02:43,002
Bob in the movie is the first time he saw
2818
02:02:43,003 --> 02:02:44,832
it was how you see it in the documentary.
2819
02:02:44,833 --> 02:02:46,704
That's his genuine reaction. I'm getting goosebumps.
2820
02:02:46,705 --> 02:02:48,522
That was a great idea, the way you did it.
2821
02:02:48,523 --> 02:02:50,010
Thank you, man. Because you know what? Guess what?
2822
02:02:50,011 --> 02:02:52,288
I'm actually trying to see if he's telling the truth.
2823
02:02:52,289 --> 02:02:54,266
That's how I started. That's how I started.
2824
02:02:54,267 --> 02:02:56,618
So it was really cool to see that you get to see it.
2825
02:02:56,619 --> 02:02:58,680
His actual reaction.
2826
02:02:58,681 --> 02:03:00,882
Has that been verified by other people?
2827
02:03:00,883 --> 02:03:03,570
Yeah, so to me it has.
2828
02:03:03,571 --> 02:03:06,584
Personally, I get emails every day and people are telling
2829
02:03:06,585 --> 02:03:08,482
me where these are used and how they're used.
2830
02:03:08,483 --> 02:03:09,874
And semi photos, I got a lot
2831
02:03:09,875 --> 02:03:11,122
of photos of identity mats now.
2832
02:03:11,123 --> 02:03:12,338
Well, how they were used. Right?
2833
02:03:12,339 --> 02:03:13,974
They're not how they were used.
2834
02:03:13,975 --> 02:03:17,286
Yeah, but the most recent one was way
2835
02:03:17,287 --> 02:03:18,886
more recent than I thought, in another country.
2836
02:03:18,887 --> 02:03:21,430
But yeah, that technology was used.
2837
02:03:21,431 --> 02:03:27,238
So what's so funny is that this technology, even in the
2838
02:03:27,239 --> 02:03:29,978
area 52 where they'd use them for Tonapa, one of the
2839
02:03:29,979 --> 02:03:32,538
guys who will go on camera with me, he will do
2840
02:03:32,539 --> 02:03:35,114
an interview with me, he was a technician for one of
2841
02:03:35,115 --> 02:03:37,930
these and he hated them because they were really bad.
2842
02:03:37,931 --> 02:03:39,978
They always broke down and never and
2843
02:03:39,979 --> 02:03:41,326
he was a technician for him.
2844
02:03:41,327 --> 02:03:44,318
Now he won't tell me where if he worked at Area 52.
2845
02:03:44,319 --> 02:03:46,052
So it was probably Tona paw.
2846
02:03:46,053 --> 02:03:47,966
It's very separated, even on the base.
2847
02:03:47,967 --> 02:03:50,834
But yeah, so there was that
2848
02:03:50,835 --> 02:03:53,906
there is your education record.
2849
02:03:53,907 --> 02:03:56,510
That was also, like what happened with that?
2850
02:03:57,680 --> 02:03:59,550
Well, that disappeared also.
2851
02:04:02,740 --> 02:04:05,490
I've never gone anywhere for education.
2852
02:04:06,740 --> 02:04:08,972
I never attended any classes at Caltech.
2853
02:04:08,973 --> 02:04:10,800
I never attended anything at MIT.
2854
02:04:11,700 --> 02:04:14,076
You did attend classes in those places?
2855
02:04:14,077 --> 02:04:15,772
I did attend classes in those places.
2856
02:04:15,773 --> 02:04:18,170
Do you know anybody that you went to school with?
2857
02:04:18,171 --> 02:04:19,114
Yes, I do.
2858
02:04:19,115 --> 02:04:20,778
And have they verified that they
2859
02:04:20,779 --> 02:04:21,562
went to school with you?
2860
02:04:21,563 --> 02:04:25,354
Well, I gave Jeremy some names, but yeah, the reason
2861
02:04:25,355 --> 02:04:29,294
I don't say these names publicly is because every single
2862
02:04:29,295 --> 02:04:32,132
time I mention a name, somebody gets injured.
2863
02:04:32,133 --> 02:04:33,886
You don't want to be of course.
2864
02:04:33,887 --> 02:04:35,770
Yeah, of course.
2865
02:04:36,460 --> 02:04:39,074
But what is that experience like seeing
2866
02:04:39,075 --> 02:04:42,872
your birth certificate erased, seeing your employment?
2867
02:04:42,873 --> 02:04:44,280
Well, it's frightening.
2868
02:04:44,281 --> 02:04:45,608
It's absolutely frightening.
2869
02:04:45,609 --> 02:04:47,848
It's also the fuel that the debunkers
2870
02:04:47,849 --> 02:04:50,168
use, the so called air quote, skeptics.
2871
02:04:50,169 --> 02:04:51,848
I don't like the term skeptics.
2872
02:04:51,849 --> 02:04:53,122
I'm going to say this publicly because
2873
02:04:53,123 --> 02:04:54,604
I really only said this privately.
2874
02:04:54,605 --> 02:04:56,758
I think it's a sloppy, lazy way to
2875
02:04:56,759 --> 02:05:00,100
look at things, to just be a skeptic.
2876
02:05:00,101 --> 02:05:03,888
I want people to be objective, and I think there's
2877
02:05:03,889 --> 02:05:06,442
a lot of things you should be skeptical of.
2878
02:05:06,443 --> 02:05:09,546
I think you should look at things and
2879
02:05:09,547 --> 02:05:13,728
look at things from a hardline science perspective.
2880
02:05:13,729 --> 02:05:15,088
You should be objective.
2881
02:05:15,089 --> 02:05:17,098
But the idea of skeptics, the problem with
2882
02:05:17,099 --> 02:05:18,794
that is you're always looking for things to
2883
02:05:18,795 --> 02:05:21,258
be bullshit, and I think that's dangerous because
2884
02:05:21,259 --> 02:05:22,788
I think some things aren't bullshit.
2885
02:05:22,789 --> 02:05:23,828
It's confirmation bias.
2886
02:05:23,829 --> 02:05:25,806
On the other end, you're just deciding to take a square
2887
02:05:25,807 --> 02:05:27,710
thing and put it in a round hole no matter what.
2888
02:05:27,711 --> 02:05:29,438
And I find a lot of them to be
2889
02:05:29,439 --> 02:05:32,164
lazy, a lot of them to be lazy thinkers
2890
02:05:32,165 --> 02:05:34,594
because they're always putting it into that box.
2891
02:05:34,595 --> 02:05:38,072
Instead of going instead of just separating
2892
02:05:38,073 --> 02:05:40,418
their ego, they're playing a game, and
2893
02:05:40,419 --> 02:05:42,072
the game is calling bullshit.
2894
02:05:42,073 --> 02:05:44,162
I want to call bullshit, and I'm going to line
2895
02:05:44,163 --> 02:05:46,294
up all these reasons why it's bullshit, and I'm going
2896
02:05:46,295 --> 02:05:49,340
to ignore anything that might be contrary to that definition.
2897
02:05:49,341 --> 02:05:51,110
Yeah, that does every time I'm thinking
2898
02:05:51,111 --> 02:05:53,302
I'm going to catch him in something. All along.
2899
02:05:53,303 --> 02:05:55,628
This process I found Dr. Crangle.
2900
02:05:55,629 --> 02:05:57,270
He came forward and said, I was in security
2901
02:05:57,271 --> 02:06:00,048
briefings with Bob Lazar, the physicist at Los Anamos.
2902
02:06:00,049 --> 02:06:01,434
He went on the record with me.
2903
02:06:01,435 --> 02:06:03,258
Now, the other people I talked with, why
2904
02:06:03,259 --> 02:06:04,778
won't they go on the record with me?
2905
02:06:04,779 --> 02:06:06,390
Because they're still working there.
2906
02:06:07,000 --> 02:06:08,926
So that's the difference. Right.
2907
02:06:08,927 --> 02:06:10,334
What can the public have?
2908
02:06:10,335 --> 02:06:11,982
Or even if they're not working there,
2909
02:06:11,983 --> 02:06:13,742
they want to live their lives.
2910
02:06:13,743 --> 02:06:15,678
Obviously, people have seen what's happened to
2911
02:06:15,679 --> 02:06:19,138
you, Mike Bigpin, after 30 years. Yeah.
2912
02:06:19,139 --> 02:06:21,282
Really, if you look at all the
2913
02:06:21,283 --> 02:06:27,560
information on concerning my accounts, that's verifiable.
2914
02:06:27,561 --> 02:06:31,000
It can't possibly be a bullshit story anymore.
2915
02:06:31,001 --> 02:06:33,230
It's really way past that point.
2916
02:06:33,760 --> 02:06:35,654
That was my Fig pen is I
2917
02:06:35,655 --> 02:06:37,810
mean, how could I possibly know?
2918
02:06:38,980 --> 02:06:42,278
So Mike Figpen was the guy that did
2919
02:06:42,279 --> 02:06:44,748
the security clearances to go to the Bait.
2920
02:06:44,749 --> 02:06:45,994
One of the guys that was and this is a
2921
02:06:45,995 --> 02:06:49,030
guy that you work with, he said he did. Right.
2922
02:06:50,360 --> 02:06:51,642
George didn't believe him.
2923
02:06:51,643 --> 02:06:54,378
George put him through four polygraph tests. Right?
2924
02:06:54,379 --> 02:06:56,880
He tried to see, man, this is a big risk.
2925
02:06:56,881 --> 02:06:58,714
It sounds interesting, but let's see
2926
02:06:58,715 --> 02:06:59,920
if he's telling the truth.
2927
02:06:59,921 --> 02:07:01,998
One of the things was Bob said
2928
02:07:01,999 --> 02:07:03,044
there was a guy named Mike Figpen.
2929
02:07:03,045 --> 02:07:04,894
He did security clearances for the base.
2930
02:07:04,895 --> 02:07:06,382
And that's a weird name.
2931
02:07:06,383 --> 02:07:07,450
It's very specific.
2932
02:07:07,980 --> 02:07:11,668
For 30 years, George found this guy in this weird
2933
02:07:11,669 --> 02:07:14,196
department that he didn't even know it was Mike Figin.
2934
02:07:14,197 --> 02:07:15,138
The guy wouldn't talk to me.
2935
02:07:15,139 --> 02:07:17,010
Ghosted him, totally ghost him for 30 years.
2936
02:07:17,011 --> 02:07:18,904
Used Facebook and Google image
2937
02:07:18,905 --> 02:07:20,290
match through his children.
2938
02:07:20,291 --> 02:07:23,058
I was able to find him after 30 years, and
2939
02:07:23,059 --> 02:07:24,902
I talked to him three times on the phone.
2940
02:07:24,903 --> 02:07:26,220
He lives on the east coast.
2941
02:07:26,221 --> 02:07:28,262
He almost went on camera with me.
2942
02:07:28,263 --> 02:07:30,188
Confirmed that he did security clearances
2943
02:07:30,189 --> 02:07:31,846
for the base in 1989.
2944
02:07:31,847 --> 02:07:34,044
Confirmed he remembers Bob Lazar.
2945
02:07:34,045 --> 02:07:36,268
And what you don't know is there's a handwritten
2946
02:07:36,269 --> 02:07:39,754
note that a friend of yours has from Mike. What?
2947
02:07:39,755 --> 02:07:40,554
I know I'm going to give it
2948
02:07:40,555 --> 02:07:42,202
to you later, but that is real.
2949
02:07:42,203 --> 02:07:44,650
That is actual handwritten note. That says what?
2950
02:07:44,651 --> 02:07:45,910
This is new to me.
2951
02:07:50,380 --> 02:07:53,438
When they do security clearances, they go through all
2952
02:07:53,439 --> 02:07:55,310
your friends and family go to your friends. Yeah.
2953
02:07:55,311 --> 02:07:56,852
So this is to Bob.
2954
02:07:56,853 --> 02:07:59,118
And I had people come to me for
2955
02:07:59,119 --> 02:08:00,724
a friend of mine that's serving, and they're
2956
02:08:00,725 --> 02:08:01,918
doing a security clearance for him.
2957
02:08:01,919 --> 02:08:05,074
And even though I'm like the UFO guy, they did the
2958
02:08:05,075 --> 02:08:07,922
FBI come and visit my house and make sure that they
2959
02:08:07,923 --> 02:08:10,754
talk about my friend, and they lift a little card.
2960
02:08:10,755 --> 02:08:12,658
And when my wife told him to get away because he
2961
02:08:12,659 --> 02:08:14,482
didn't know who they were, they left a little card.
2962
02:08:14,483 --> 02:08:15,288
It's super cute.
2963
02:08:15,289 --> 02:08:17,666
Now, back then, it was a handwritten note, and
2964
02:08:17,667 --> 02:08:19,448
his friend has it for him that you haven't
2965
02:08:19,449 --> 02:08:22,680
seen in, oh, my God, two decades.
2966
02:08:22,681 --> 02:08:24,138
So if you're listening, how come
2967
02:08:24,139 --> 02:08:27,258
you're telling what is this card?
2968
02:08:27,259 --> 02:08:29,984
It's just a little handwritten note with Mike Figpin's
2969
02:08:29,985 --> 02:08:33,754
signature card, like a postcard, like a piece of
2970
02:08:33,755 --> 02:08:35,898
paper that he left on the door saying when
2971
02:08:35,899 --> 02:08:38,250
Bob gets back, or whatever it says on it.
2972
02:08:38,251 --> 02:08:40,042
So it's just another little funny thing.
2973
02:08:40,043 --> 02:08:42,132
I found the guy, he does the security clearances.
2974
02:08:42,133 --> 02:08:43,678
He admitted to me he did it, and he
2975
02:08:43,679 --> 02:08:45,678
admitted to me he was dodging George Knapp, because
2976
02:08:45,679 --> 02:08:48,862
when George said his name on the news, he
2977
02:08:48,863 --> 02:08:51,118
dropped his fork into his steak or into his
2978
02:08:51,119 --> 02:08:53,352
potatoes or whatever, and he's looking at his wife.
2979
02:08:53,353 --> 02:08:54,296
He was in trouble.
2980
02:08:54,297 --> 02:08:55,778
His name's never supposed to be out there.
2981
02:08:55,779 --> 02:08:57,570
Like, it's just a security clearance guy,
2982
02:08:57,571 --> 02:09:00,072
but you don't want national attention associated
2983
02:09:00,073 --> 02:09:01,842
with anything Bob has to say.
2984
02:09:01,843 --> 02:09:04,322
But anyway, this unique name bob said
2985
02:09:04,323 --> 02:09:06,108
for 30 years, and the guy ghosted
2986
02:09:06,109 --> 02:09:08,204
George Knapp george could prove he existed.
2987
02:09:08,205 --> 02:09:09,542
He actually talked to me, man.
2988
02:09:09,543 --> 02:09:10,790
He talked to me three times.
2989
02:09:10,791 --> 02:09:12,838
He almost went on camera with me.
2990
02:09:12,839 --> 02:09:15,706
It's just crazy what happens after 30 years.
2991
02:09:15,707 --> 02:09:16,880
You just get more info.
2992
02:09:16,881 --> 02:09:20,202
Well, that's one of the reasons why when you
2993
02:09:20,203 --> 02:09:23,498
and me and Jeremy and George Knapp had that
2994
02:09:23,499 --> 02:09:27,342
conversation on the phone, I said, I think what
2995
02:09:27,343 --> 02:09:31,580
we can do with this podcast is important.
2996
02:09:31,581 --> 02:09:32,718
I really do.
2997
02:09:32,719 --> 02:09:36,206
I think it's important for people to hear this from
2998
02:09:36,207 --> 02:09:42,110
you in a very clear, just very concise way.
2999
02:09:43,120 --> 02:09:46,728
And if you examine all the information that you've
3000
02:09:46,729 --> 02:09:49,202
said today, if you look at all the things
3001
02:09:49,203 --> 02:09:51,238
that the detractors have said, if you look at
3002
02:09:51,239 --> 02:09:54,582
all of the new, recent evidence that's coming out
3003
02:09:54,583 --> 02:09:58,198
and all these really high level people in the
3004
02:09:58,199 --> 02:10:00,770
military and the government that are discussing this.
3005
02:10:01,300 --> 02:10:06,342
It gives you far more credibility than you would
3006
02:10:06,343 --> 02:10:10,186
have had in the 19 when this came out. Fuck yes.
3007
02:10:10,187 --> 02:10:12,218
You can't ignore his story just
3008
02:10:12,219 --> 02:10:13,856
because you don't like it anymore.
3009
02:10:13,857 --> 02:10:15,482
That's why I thought it was important that you come
3010
02:10:15,483 --> 02:10:18,986
out and refresh the world's memory and let people know.
3011
02:10:18,987 --> 02:10:21,988
And like I said, I want to say I'm a fan of yours,
3012
02:10:21,989 --> 02:10:24,308
but I guess I'm a fan of yours as a human being, I'm
3013
02:10:24,309 --> 02:10:27,156
a fan of yours, but I've been following you for decades.
3014
02:10:27,157 --> 02:10:30,072
I've been following the story for decades. No kidding.
3015
02:10:30,073 --> 02:10:31,592
I have VHS tape, Bob.
3016
02:10:31,593 --> 02:10:33,218
Like a lot of the world has.
3017
02:10:33,219 --> 02:10:34,482
Yeah, it's crazy.
3018
02:10:34,483 --> 02:10:38,226
Well, anybody that has any sort of vested interest
3019
02:10:38,227 --> 02:10:43,842
or just even just a fascination with UFOs has
3020
02:10:43,843 --> 02:10:47,654
followed your story because there's no one else.
3021
02:10:47,655 --> 02:10:49,302
There's no one else that comes for this.
3022
02:10:49,303 --> 02:10:50,518
Some guy who said, I
3023
02:10:50,519 --> 02:10:51,708
worked underground with the aliens.
3024
02:10:51,709 --> 02:10:52,582
They shot my hand off.
3025
02:10:52,583 --> 02:10:54,620
Like, there's a bunch of wacky dudes.
3026
02:10:54,621 --> 02:10:56,028
They're underground, there's bases.
3027
02:10:56,029 --> 02:10:57,568
They're shooting lasers through the earth's crust,
3028
02:10:57,569 --> 02:10:59,264
and they move them at light speed.
3029
02:10:59,265 --> 02:11:00,698
There's a lot of those guys.
3030
02:11:00,699 --> 02:11:02,730
They seem schizophrenic. They seem crazy.
3031
02:11:02,731 --> 02:11:04,842
They might even be disinformation agents.
3032
02:11:04,843 --> 02:11:06,938
They might be people that are designed to
3033
02:11:06,939 --> 02:11:09,758
muddy the waters, which for sure has happened.
3034
02:11:09,759 --> 02:11:11,966
People are coming forward, though, now. It's amazing.
3035
02:11:11,967 --> 02:11:13,908
And by doing this, what you're doing, you're providing
3036
02:11:13,909 --> 02:11:16,414
an opportunity for Bob to tell his story.
3037
02:11:16,415 --> 02:11:18,734
Believe it or not, he can tell his story.
3038
02:11:18,735 --> 02:11:21,646
It's amazing because more people will come forward
3039
02:11:21,647 --> 02:11:24,760
now that are involved with these projects.
3040
02:11:24,761 --> 02:11:26,306
They'll come forward to you, to me.
3041
02:11:26,307 --> 02:11:27,170
They're coming forward.
3042
02:11:27,171 --> 02:11:28,482
And so what you've done here is
3043
02:11:28,483 --> 02:11:30,594
provide that opportunity if they need it.
3044
02:11:30,595 --> 02:11:31,346
And it's amazing.
3045
02:11:31,347 --> 02:11:33,730
I just want to say, Bob, just don't come forward to me.
3046
02:11:33,731 --> 02:11:35,600
No, don't come forward to Bob.
3047
02:11:36,820 --> 02:11:39,478
Why were you freaking nauseous at the
3048
02:11:39,479 --> 02:11:42,740
beginning of this, like, so upset?
3049
02:11:42,741 --> 02:11:43,724
Why did you have a migraine?
3050
02:11:43,725 --> 02:11:45,238
Because that started off so hard my God.
3051
02:11:45,239 --> 02:11:46,246
I was sitting here like, did this?
3052
02:11:46,247 --> 02:11:47,578
Why are you asking him why?
3053
02:11:47,579 --> 02:11:49,136
Because obvious anxiety.
3054
02:11:49,137 --> 02:11:50,266
The guy's gone through 30
3055
02:11:50,267 --> 02:11:51,728
fucking years of being persecuted.
3056
02:11:51,729 --> 02:11:53,540
I just want to raise his birth certificate.
3057
02:11:54,600 --> 02:11:56,250
I want to hear him say I want them.
3058
02:11:56,251 --> 02:11:57,610
Why do I have to say that?
3059
02:11:58,700 --> 02:11:59,566
I step out.
3060
02:11:59,567 --> 02:12:00,730
Okay, settle down.
3061
02:12:02,620 --> 02:12:04,494
Yeah, well, I get it.
3062
02:12:04,495 --> 02:12:05,694
It was hard for you to get
3063
02:12:05,695 --> 02:12:07,770
him here, and I appreciate for us.
3064
02:12:09,580 --> 02:12:12,702
What really annoys me are the people that think you
3065
02:12:12,703 --> 02:12:14,514
guys just came up with the story to make a
3066
02:12:14,515 --> 02:12:16,952
bunch of money or get a bunch of attention.
3067
02:12:16,953 --> 02:12:17,938
That's a good point.
3068
02:12:17,939 --> 02:12:18,946
Please explain that.
3069
02:12:18,947 --> 02:12:21,798
First of all, I don't get any money out of this at all.
3070
02:12:21,799 --> 02:12:24,364
And I didn't even let you guys buy plane
3071
02:12:24,365 --> 02:12:26,486
tickets for me to come out here or anything.
3072
02:12:26,487 --> 02:12:28,396
I mean, anytime.
3073
02:12:28,397 --> 02:12:34,640
When Jeremy previewed, I guess the movie up in Michigan,
3074
02:12:35,300 --> 02:12:38,138
it brought in, like, a couple of made sure that
3075
02:12:38,139 --> 02:12:42,128
$2,000 went to science programs at the local high schools.
3076
02:12:42,129 --> 02:12:43,450
There dirty money.
3077
02:12:43,451 --> 02:12:44,458
I don't want to touch it.
3078
02:12:44,459 --> 02:12:46,026
I don't take any money from this stuff.
3079
02:12:46,027 --> 02:12:51,076
And as far as attention, I hate fucking attention.
3080
02:12:51,077 --> 02:12:53,054
I don't like being on shows.
3081
02:12:53,055 --> 02:12:55,438
I just want to kind of hide in the corner and do my
3082
02:12:55,439 --> 02:12:58,494
own thing so that I got enough hugs when I was a kid.
3083
02:12:58,495 --> 02:12:58,910
Okay?
3084
02:12:58,911 --> 02:13:00,664
I don't need any attention.
3085
02:13:00,665 --> 02:13:01,870
So, no.
3086
02:13:02,880 --> 02:13:05,682
If you think somehow we came up with this thing,
3087
02:13:05,683 --> 02:13:08,066
then you got to tell me why we did it.
3088
02:13:08,067 --> 02:13:10,802
Well, you've done a great job of making sure
3089
02:13:10,803 --> 02:13:12,674
you have your bases covered in that regard, that
3090
02:13:12,675 --> 02:13:14,374
you haven't profited off of this, and like you
3091
02:13:14,375 --> 02:13:16,342
said, that you have donated whatever money that came
3092
02:13:16,343 --> 02:13:18,640
your way to science programs.
3093
02:13:19,380 --> 02:13:23,090
It doesn't make any sense any other way.
3094
02:13:24,260 --> 02:13:27,498
What I've gotten out of here is what I thought I was
3095
02:13:27,499 --> 02:13:29,312
going to get out of here when I watched the documentary.
3096
02:13:29,313 --> 02:13:31,802
That what you're saying makes sense.
3097
02:13:31,803 --> 02:13:34,202
It doesn't make sense that it's bullshit that
3098
02:13:34,203 --> 02:13:36,074
happened exactly like I said it did.
3099
02:13:36,075 --> 02:13:37,770
Joe, I believe you.
3100
02:13:38,620 --> 02:13:41,450
In closing, is there anything else you'd like to say?
3101
02:13:42,940 --> 02:13:44,846
No, I can't think of anything other than
3102
02:13:44,847 --> 02:13:47,370
really don't come and try to visit me.
3103
02:13:48,940 --> 02:13:52,914
Well, I know that you have paid a huge personal
3104
02:13:52,915 --> 02:13:56,146
cost to get this information out, and, I mean, maybe
3105
02:13:56,147 --> 02:13:58,258
you didn't understand what that cost would have been when
3106
02:13:58,259 --> 02:14:01,602
you first initially came forward with the story, but over
3107
02:14:01,603 --> 02:14:04,610
the past 30 years, it's been immense. It's been great.
3108
02:14:04,611 --> 02:14:06,598
And I just want to thank you for that
3109
02:14:06,599 --> 02:14:08,678
and thank you for all these people that would
3110
02:14:08,679 --> 02:14:11,030
not have gotten this information and would not have
3111
02:14:11,031 --> 02:14:14,572
really had this story any other way. Oh, thanks, Joe.
3112
02:14:14,573 --> 02:14:15,430
Thank you.
3113
02:14:15,431 --> 02:14:16,576
And thank you, Jeremy.
3114
02:14:16,577 --> 02:14:17,968
And one more time, the documentary
3115
02:14:17,969 --> 02:14:19,754
is available on Netflix right now.
3116
02:14:19,755 --> 02:14:21,616
Yeah, it's called Bob lazar.
3117
02:14:21,617 --> 02:14:23,696
Area 51 and flying saucers.
3118
02:14:23,697 --> 02:14:26,150
All right, that's it, folks. Good night.
3119
02:14:30,280 --> 02:14:31,322
Yeah, you did.
3120
02:14:31,323 --> 02:14:44,330
It's our channel.
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