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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,104 --> 00:00:05,774 [female reporter] There has been another arrest in the Mineola sex ring case. 2 00:00:05,773 --> 00:00:08,313 [male reporter] Today, a total of six men and women have now been arrested. 3 00:00:08,309 --> 00:00:09,809 [female reporter] Smith County police say 4 00:00:09,810 --> 00:00:13,410 they are accused of forcing four children, under the age of seven, 5 00:00:13,414 --> 00:00:15,054 to perform at a swingers' club. 6 00:00:23,124 --> 00:00:26,164 The brainwashing, that starts at a very young age. 7 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,760 I wasn't just the only one that was scared to speak out. 8 00:00:28,762 --> 00:00:32,672 It felt like a cult. The fear that was instilled into us. 9 00:00:32,666 --> 00:00:36,236 Words cannot describe what these children have gone through. 10 00:00:37,004 --> 00:00:38,774 There is no case here. 11 00:00:38,772 --> 00:00:40,672 This is smoke and mirrors bull [bleep]. 12 00:00:40,674 --> 00:00:42,444 You know, the defense just don't like the fact 13 00:00:42,443 --> 00:00:44,283 that their client got convicted and got a life sentence. 14 00:00:44,278 --> 00:00:45,878 I mean, let's call it what it is. 15 00:00:45,879 --> 00:00:49,279 I've called it just a plain old Texas frame-up. 16 00:00:49,283 --> 00:00:51,893 They basically took my childhood from me. 17 00:00:51,885 --> 00:00:53,885 They destroyed me and my family. 18 00:00:54,855 --> 00:00:56,985 They were guilty. 100%. 19 00:00:58,426 --> 00:01:02,356 I was told keep your mouth shut in this town. 20 00:01:02,363 --> 00:01:03,403 Don't make any waves. 21 00:01:04,598 --> 00:01:05,628 I made waves. 22 00:02:06,627 --> 00:02:08,357 This is taken in our driveway 23 00:02:09,930 --> 00:02:11,060 at Christmas. 24 00:02:16,937 --> 00:02:18,907 'Cause I love them so much 25 00:02:20,641 --> 00:02:22,211 and they've been so hurt. 26 00:02:37,225 --> 00:02:40,355 My husband John and I moved from California 27 00:02:40,361 --> 00:02:44,001 to Mineola, Texas in 2004. 28 00:02:44,932 --> 00:02:48,402 That town was so adorable. 29 00:02:48,402 --> 00:02:51,272 It was fabulous. We just fell in love. 30 00:02:53,106 --> 00:02:55,436 Mineola is a great little Texas town. 31 00:02:58,512 --> 00:03:00,552 It's quiet, relaxed living. 32 00:03:03,817 --> 00:03:06,247 It's a conservative community. 33 00:03:09,022 --> 00:03:11,532 Most of the people in Mineola are God-fearing people. 34 00:03:11,525 --> 00:03:14,055 I don't go to church every Sunday, but I'm a God-fearing man. 35 00:03:16,264 --> 00:03:20,404 The people here are absolutely wonderful. 36 00:03:20,401 --> 00:03:22,671 Mineola people will do anything 37 00:03:22,670 --> 00:03:25,040 to help their neighbors here in a heartbeat. 38 00:03:30,278 --> 00:03:31,178 It's not. 39 00:03:33,881 --> 00:03:37,351 When we first went there, it was wonderful. 40 00:03:38,686 --> 00:03:40,916 But then I started hearing stories. 41 00:03:43,524 --> 00:03:46,134 Its nickname, by the way, is Sodom and Gomorrah. 42 00:03:48,028 --> 00:03:49,098 Always has been. 43 00:03:52,199 --> 00:03:55,439 One day, I saw an article in the paper. 44 00:03:55,436 --> 00:03:58,166 Oh my gosh, this is just unbelievable. 45 00:03:58,171 --> 00:04:01,481 I didn't know we had a swingers' club in town. 46 00:04:01,475 --> 00:04:04,005 When we heard about the swingers' club it was a shock. 47 00:04:04,011 --> 00:04:05,781 People said, not in our neighborhood. 48 00:04:06,980 --> 00:04:10,320 We just couldn't believe that a swingers' club was here, 49 00:04:10,318 --> 00:04:12,448 'cause that's not us. 50 00:04:13,887 --> 00:04:17,487 There was probably maybe 10 couples, and we played movies on the TV 51 00:04:17,491 --> 00:04:20,131 and they all sit down and got to talking to each other 52 00:04:20,127 --> 00:04:23,157 and then they divided up and whoever wanted to go with whoever, 53 00:04:23,163 --> 00:04:24,033 that's what they did. 54 00:04:26,867 --> 00:04:29,467 We could imagine what was going on in there, 55 00:04:29,470 --> 00:04:30,640 but we weren't part of it. 56 00:04:31,472 --> 00:04:33,112 And it wasn't illegal. 57 00:04:33,106 --> 00:04:35,836 But to put a swingers' club around here 58 00:04:35,843 --> 00:04:39,613 is like rolling a stink bomb into a Baptist church 59 00:04:39,613 --> 00:04:42,983 and expecting everybody to just say, "Oh, that's okay," 60 00:04:42,983 --> 00:04:44,493 and keep on praying. 61 00:04:44,485 --> 00:04:50,185 For them to put it here was just, ugh. Make you grind your teeth. 62 00:04:54,061 --> 00:04:56,861 [Margie] Because of the article in the newspaper, 63 00:04:56,864 --> 00:04:58,734 as a mom, I'm concerned, 64 00:04:58,732 --> 00:05:00,472 and I'm a praying woman, 65 00:05:00,468 --> 00:05:03,538 and so we drove up to the swingers' club. 66 00:05:03,537 --> 00:05:08,607 And we literally raised our hands toward that building 67 00:05:08,609 --> 00:05:12,749 and we prayed and we prayed and we prayed that it would get shut down. 68 00:05:14,415 --> 00:05:18,645 Right after that, it closed down. 69 00:05:20,020 --> 00:05:22,220 It was like it went boom. 70 00:05:22,222 --> 00:05:25,132 It was here one day and gone the next. 71 00:05:27,027 --> 00:05:30,427 [Margie] I was elated. They don't belong in this town. 72 00:05:34,034 --> 00:05:36,404 My husband, John, and I, we're Baptist. 73 00:05:37,771 --> 00:05:41,681 I accepted Christ when I was 12 years old as my savior. 74 00:05:42,876 --> 00:05:45,146 In California, I went to college. 75 00:05:45,145 --> 00:05:49,775 I got my administration in early childhood development. 76 00:05:49,783 --> 00:05:51,953 And I passed it with flying colors. 77 00:05:52,886 --> 00:05:55,656 And so I became a foster mom. 78 00:05:55,656 --> 00:05:58,826 When I started taking foster children, 79 00:05:58,826 --> 00:06:00,726 they were very troubled. 80 00:06:00,728 --> 00:06:03,998 And I had made a promise, don't give up on them. 81 00:06:03,997 --> 00:06:05,867 And that's what drove me. 82 00:06:05,866 --> 00:06:10,266 At one point, I was the mother of 15 teenagers at one time in the house. 83 00:06:11,238 --> 00:06:12,208 We loved it. 84 00:06:14,207 --> 00:06:17,037 But it was so hard. 85 00:06:17,044 --> 00:06:21,954 And so in 2004, we decided we could retire, 86 00:06:21,949 --> 00:06:25,049 pay off a house, and just start relaxing. 87 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,660 And that's when we bought the house on Lake Brenda in Mineola. 88 00:06:32,125 --> 00:06:33,155 It was right on the lake. 89 00:06:34,462 --> 00:06:36,962 Just fish and retire, that was our goal. 90 00:06:39,232 --> 00:06:41,802 At the time, we had six children 91 00:06:41,802 --> 00:06:45,242 but then my son said, "You know, you're such a good mom." 92 00:06:45,238 --> 00:06:50,078 "Go help at least one or two more kids." And so I did. 93 00:06:50,077 --> 00:06:55,677 And I was given Hunter, Shelby and Carly, to be my kids. 94 00:07:04,324 --> 00:07:07,864 Before Margie's, in the beginning, we were just kids. 95 00:07:07,861 --> 00:07:10,031 It was fun, we were happy. 96 00:07:10,030 --> 00:07:12,970 [singing] Happy birthday to you. 97 00:07:12,966 --> 00:07:14,226 I loved my cap guns. 98 00:07:14,234 --> 00:07:16,504 Used to play Cowboys and Indians with my older sister. 99 00:07:17,871 --> 00:07:20,271 We used to ride bikes with the kids down the street. 100 00:07:21,609 --> 00:07:25,209 There was nothing really that bad about being kids back then. 101 00:07:26,179 --> 00:07:28,419 But then things changed in our life. 102 00:07:29,517 --> 00:07:32,347 As a child, I don't remember my dad. 103 00:07:32,352 --> 00:07:36,792 I only remember my stepdad, Jamie, ever being around. 104 00:07:38,358 --> 00:07:41,998 Jamie and my mom would get into arguments. 105 00:07:41,995 --> 00:07:44,425 And sometimes, my mom would pass out. 106 00:07:46,700 --> 00:07:50,540 As kids, we didn't really understand the things between them. 107 00:07:51,939 --> 00:07:54,879 And then one day, I remember Child Services coming. 108 00:07:57,745 --> 00:08:01,275 [Margie] The reason that we were given by the social worker, 109 00:08:01,281 --> 00:08:04,991 why they were taken away, was that they were neglected. 110 00:08:04,985 --> 00:08:08,015 The parents were on crack cocaine. 111 00:08:08,021 --> 00:08:11,291 And so I took them in because I wanted to help. 112 00:08:14,194 --> 00:08:15,964 I remember the drive to their house. 113 00:08:15,963 --> 00:08:19,633 I was constantly asking, so y'all live on the lake? 114 00:08:19,633 --> 00:08:23,303 Thinking they live in the middle of this lake that we're going to. 115 00:08:23,303 --> 00:08:25,973 And when we got there, the house was nice. 116 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:28,080 The door's still broke. 117 00:08:32,479 --> 00:08:33,349 Oh, wow. 118 00:08:36,183 --> 00:08:37,153 This is different. 119 00:08:37,585 --> 00:08:38,445 It is. 120 00:08:38,451 --> 00:08:40,391 Remember that table, there. Long table. 121 00:08:41,488 --> 00:08:43,218 Carly is my little sister. 122 00:08:43,223 --> 00:08:45,163 I have always been protective of her. 123 00:08:46,359 --> 00:08:49,599 When I was at the Cantrells', I was very hyperactive. 124 00:08:50,397 --> 00:08:51,497 I was, like, four. 125 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,070 So I was the baby. 126 00:08:54,067 --> 00:08:57,397 Everyone protected me, including Shelby and Hunter. 127 00:08:57,404 --> 00:09:00,044 I never thought I'd be back in the house. 128 00:09:01,074 --> 00:09:03,914 Shelby and Carly lived in this room here. 129 00:09:06,947 --> 00:09:09,477 It actually looks the exact same. 130 00:09:12,653 --> 00:09:15,823 Margie was fun and bubbly, 131 00:09:15,823 --> 00:09:21,633 kind of the mother type of personality that a kid would want. 132 00:09:21,629 --> 00:09:27,399 John Cantrell's personality was calming and laid back, 133 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,700 but not as bubbly and open like Margie was. 134 00:09:33,774 --> 00:09:35,914 John did teach us how to fish. 135 00:09:35,909 --> 00:09:37,679 We used to watch westerns with him. 136 00:09:39,046 --> 00:09:43,116 Well, I used to wake up about 4:30 in the morning before school 137 00:09:43,116 --> 00:09:44,986 and go out and fish, 138 00:09:44,985 --> 00:09:46,645 just 'cause I liked the peace, 139 00:09:46,654 --> 00:09:48,724 and fishing was also a passion of mine. 140 00:09:54,461 --> 00:09:56,701 [Margie] Well, at the time, life was okay. 141 00:09:58,031 --> 00:09:59,901 But they were very troubled. 142 00:10:00,868 --> 00:10:03,898 One day, Shelby was down in the bedroom 143 00:10:05,973 --> 00:10:10,213 and she had a pole on her bed and she was doing a pole dance. 144 00:10:12,680 --> 00:10:15,350 This is just a little seven-year-old girl. 145 00:10:15,348 --> 00:10:21,018 And she's swinging her hair around and she's doing... 146 00:10:21,021 --> 00:10:22,691 it looked like a rehearsed dance. 147 00:10:27,695 --> 00:10:29,055 Hunter was a handful. 148 00:10:30,864 --> 00:10:33,504 He was so angry and violent. 149 00:10:35,035 --> 00:10:40,565 They were extremely, extremely hard to handle children. 150 00:10:40,573 --> 00:10:44,543 Very young and very, very broken. 151 00:10:44,544 --> 00:10:46,784 But we had promised to stand by these kids. 152 00:10:49,016 --> 00:10:53,246 At that point, I had nine children in the home. 153 00:10:55,723 --> 00:10:58,863 And so, I thought, if we buy a facility, 154 00:10:58,859 --> 00:11:03,159 we can put the kids there and I can run it and have a good group home. 155 00:11:04,832 --> 00:11:07,602 So I called our real estate agent 156 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,840 and told her that I was interested in a property in town. 157 00:11:12,639 --> 00:11:16,609 But this building was in fact the swingers' club. 158 00:11:18,145 --> 00:11:21,145 The lot was really large that it sat on. 159 00:11:22,049 --> 00:11:24,119 So we decided we were going to go up 160 00:11:24,117 --> 00:11:25,987 and see if we could see in the windows. 161 00:11:27,187 --> 00:11:29,317 [Hunter] When Margie took me to the swingers' club, 162 00:11:29,322 --> 00:11:32,292 she told us that she was thinking about buying the place. 163 00:11:35,628 --> 00:11:37,098 Last time I was in this building, 164 00:11:37,097 --> 00:11:40,197 I think I was, like, eight years old. 165 00:11:41,835 --> 00:11:43,235 My sisters were with me, 166 00:11:45,005 --> 00:11:46,665 John and Margie. 167 00:11:49,542 --> 00:11:52,482 It's pretty hard to be in here considering what happened. 168 00:12:00,988 --> 00:12:04,458 [Margie] It was wet and moldy and stunk. 169 00:12:04,457 --> 00:12:05,557 It was nasty. 170 00:12:06,794 --> 00:12:08,464 So I wouldn't let the kids go anywhere. 171 00:12:09,562 --> 00:12:13,872 And Hunter, Shelby and I stayed by the door. 172 00:12:13,867 --> 00:12:16,937 And then all of a sudden, Shelby said, "I know this place." 173 00:12:18,471 --> 00:12:22,241 "You know, if you could see in that room over there," 174 00:12:23,410 --> 00:12:25,850 "it has big white flowers with green leaves." 175 00:12:27,247 --> 00:12:28,817 So I said, "Hunter, open the door." 176 00:12:42,195 --> 00:12:45,065 She said, "Mom, that's where I had to dance." 177 00:12:45,065 --> 00:12:47,665 "And you see that part that goes like this?" 178 00:12:47,667 --> 00:12:50,097 "There was a curtain on it and Jamie was back there," 179 00:12:50,103 --> 00:12:53,473 "and I when I danced, I had to go back and give him the money." 180 00:12:59,212 --> 00:13:01,952 I just froze. I just froze. 181 00:13:03,383 --> 00:13:05,693 And then Hunter, when we were leaving, said, 182 00:13:05,685 --> 00:13:08,515 "If you look over by the big tree, my ball is there." 183 00:13:10,057 --> 00:13:11,617 And that baby's ball was there. 184 00:13:12,860 --> 00:13:13,930 I called the social worker. 185 00:13:15,628 --> 00:13:18,228 She said, "Get them to the police department immediately." 186 00:13:25,238 --> 00:13:27,338 When I got to the police department, 187 00:13:27,340 --> 00:13:29,680 I filled out what had just happened. 188 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,550 After I wrote my report out, they talked to the kids. 189 00:13:39,786 --> 00:13:45,786 They told the police that there was a room called Jamie Pittman's room, 190 00:13:47,027 --> 00:13:50,397 that they did dances and acts 191 00:13:50,397 --> 00:13:53,667 and their mother, Shauntel, would be there. 192 00:13:53,666 --> 00:13:59,166 And they said that they were trained in a kindergarten. 193 00:13:59,172 --> 00:14:03,542 My knowledge of a kindergarten is kindergarten, school. 194 00:14:04,978 --> 00:14:06,478 But it wasn't. 195 00:14:06,479 --> 00:14:09,519 It was a grooming place. 196 00:14:15,122 --> 00:14:16,992 I would think that a police department 197 00:14:16,990 --> 00:14:20,990 would go in with all barrels and investigate. 198 00:14:23,463 --> 00:14:26,933 And then I found out that within two days 199 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:28,940 they closed the case. 200 00:14:32,339 --> 00:14:35,479 To just go to Shauntel and Jamie's trailer 201 00:14:35,475 --> 00:14:37,375 and say, "Well, didn't happen," 202 00:14:37,377 --> 00:14:39,507 it was like calling the children a liar. 203 00:14:40,647 --> 00:14:43,347 And they heard everything from the kids. 204 00:14:44,584 --> 00:14:46,154 The same outcries. 205 00:14:47,754 --> 00:14:49,694 But the Mineola Police closed it. 206 00:14:51,258 --> 00:14:53,388 How dare them? 207 00:14:53,393 --> 00:14:56,163 That put a million red flags in my mind. 208 00:15:03,971 --> 00:15:06,241 The first time I heard about this case, 209 00:15:06,239 --> 00:15:07,979 I thought, oh my God. This is going on. 210 00:15:07,975 --> 00:15:11,135 This incredible child sex scandal. 211 00:15:11,144 --> 00:15:14,584 These parents had taken these kids to the swingers' club 212 00:15:14,581 --> 00:15:16,081 and they danced on stage for money. 213 00:15:17,317 --> 00:15:19,187 We need to really look into this. 214 00:15:20,988 --> 00:15:22,458 Mineola is in Wood County 215 00:15:23,823 --> 00:15:27,063 and Tyler, which is a large city, is very close, 216 00:15:27,060 --> 00:15:28,330 but it's in Smith County. 217 00:15:30,663 --> 00:15:34,303 There is a real difference in Smith County law enforcement 218 00:15:34,301 --> 00:15:36,501 as opposed to Wood County law enforcement. 219 00:15:36,503 --> 00:15:38,813 All counties in Texas are very conservative 220 00:15:38,805 --> 00:15:40,565 when it comes to law and order, 221 00:15:40,573 --> 00:15:44,183 but no county is more conservative than Smith County. 222 00:15:44,177 --> 00:15:46,007 It has a long-time reputation 223 00:15:46,013 --> 00:15:48,083 for throwing the book at criminals, 224 00:15:48,081 --> 00:15:51,281 for prosecuting hard, for investigating hard, 225 00:15:51,284 --> 00:15:53,754 for having a very high conviction rate. 226 00:15:53,753 --> 00:15:55,463 And so when the Mineola Police Department 227 00:15:55,455 --> 00:15:58,085 didn't pursue the investigation any further, 228 00:15:58,091 --> 00:16:00,031 Margie wanted something done about it. 229 00:16:00,027 --> 00:16:01,827 If the Mineola cops weren't going to listen to her, 230 00:16:01,828 --> 00:16:03,758 she was going to find somebody who would. 231 00:16:03,763 --> 00:16:06,733 So Margie decides to go to Smith County. 232 00:16:08,435 --> 00:16:11,865 And the Smith County DA's office had an assistant district attorney 233 00:16:11,871 --> 00:16:16,181 who handled nothing but child cases 234 00:16:16,176 --> 00:16:17,736 and her name was Tiffany Wickel. 235 00:16:17,744 --> 00:16:19,954 She had been part of the team 236 00:16:20,047 --> 00:16:23,777 that had taken Hunter and Shelby away from their mother. 237 00:16:23,783 --> 00:16:30,523 So when she heard about what Margie was saying, she became very alarmed. 238 00:16:30,523 --> 00:16:36,633 [Margie] She came to the Mineola police department and basically tore them up. 239 00:16:36,629 --> 00:16:40,129 Listen to these outcries of these children 240 00:16:40,133 --> 00:16:41,833 and what is going on. 241 00:16:43,503 --> 00:16:44,743 [Michael] And within two weeks, 242 00:16:44,737 --> 00:16:46,737 Tiffany Wickel had brought in Texas Ranger Phillip Kemp. 243 00:16:47,940 --> 00:16:49,640 [Margie] Tiffany called me and said, 244 00:16:49,642 --> 00:16:54,452 "You need to bring the children to Smith County" 245 00:16:54,447 --> 00:16:57,747 "because the Texas Ranger wants to come and meet the children." 246 00:17:26,179 --> 00:17:28,319 Ranger Kemp was very nice. 247 00:17:28,315 --> 00:17:30,575 He was very good with the children. 248 00:17:33,953 --> 00:17:36,563 And he said, "And all I want you to do is just be there," 249 00:17:36,556 --> 00:17:39,026 "comfort them, you know," 250 00:17:39,126 --> 00:17:42,556 "walk them through it, you know, it's okay." That's what mommies do. 251 00:17:49,936 --> 00:17:52,236 When I first met Ranger Kemp, 252 00:17:52,239 --> 00:17:55,039 he came in with a cowboy hat and a gun. 253 00:17:55,142 --> 00:17:58,952 Cowboy looking dude. Sheriff looking guy from a Western or something. 254 00:18:00,780 --> 00:18:04,880 It was a little more exciting than I'd probably like to admit. 255 00:19:42,114 --> 00:19:45,854 It's a bit confusing, the folks involved in this. 256 00:19:45,852 --> 00:19:49,792 And let me start at the top with the eldest of all the people involved, 257 00:19:49,789 --> 00:19:50,789 which is Shelia Sones. 258 00:19:53,393 --> 00:19:55,703 And Shelia is Carly's grandmother. 259 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:58,290 [Michael] Carly's grandmother, Shelia, was married to Jimmy. 260 00:21:24,684 --> 00:21:27,354 [Michael] Booger Red was the nickname of Patrick Kelly. 261 00:21:27,354 --> 00:21:29,164 He was friends with Shauntel and Jamie 262 00:21:29,155 --> 00:21:32,755 and they'd hang out together at his trailer in Tyler. 263 00:21:32,759 --> 00:21:35,189 And it was in this trailer where, apparently, 264 00:21:35,194 --> 00:21:37,064 the sex kindergarten had taken place. 265 00:22:13,733 --> 00:22:17,403 Ranger Kemp's investigation uncovered a sex kindergarten 266 00:22:17,404 --> 00:22:19,314 in Tyler 267 00:22:19,406 --> 00:22:24,706 run by Shelia, Jimmy, Jamie Pittman, Booger Red 268 00:22:24,711 --> 00:22:26,181 and Shauntel. 269 00:22:27,079 --> 00:22:28,879 These kids had been indoctrinated 270 00:22:28,881 --> 00:22:30,521 into this sex kindergarten 271 00:22:30,517 --> 00:22:33,047 and then they had come up to Mineola 272 00:22:33,052 --> 00:22:34,852 and they had danced onstage for money. 273 00:22:36,188 --> 00:22:37,318 In these interviews, 274 00:22:37,424 --> 00:22:40,734 these kids increasingly told more and more things 275 00:22:40,727 --> 00:22:41,927 about what happened. 276 00:23:12,191 --> 00:23:14,291 [Gabby] This was one of the last times 277 00:23:14,293 --> 00:23:17,203 I actually ever saw my parents 278 00:23:17,196 --> 00:23:19,226 before I went into foster care. 279 00:23:20,533 --> 00:23:23,203 My parents were Shelia Sones and Jimmy Sones. 280 00:23:23,202 --> 00:23:25,612 Shauntel is my sister. 281 00:23:25,605 --> 00:23:28,635 And Jamie Pittman was Shauntel's boyfriend. 282 00:23:28,641 --> 00:23:31,781 Shauntel has three children, the oldest being Shelby, 283 00:23:31,778 --> 00:23:33,348 the middle being Hunter 284 00:23:33,345 --> 00:23:35,475 and then the youngest is Carly. 285 00:23:35,482 --> 00:23:37,822 I considered them my siblings. 286 00:23:37,817 --> 00:23:39,617 We were the same age. 287 00:23:39,619 --> 00:23:41,819 We didn't have the relationship of 288 00:23:41,821 --> 00:23:43,191 "Oh, that's my niece." 289 00:23:43,189 --> 00:23:46,529 It was more than that. We were raised together. 290 00:23:46,526 --> 00:23:49,856 And we called each other brother and sister all the time, 291 00:23:49,862 --> 00:23:51,302 but they got to live together 292 00:23:51,297 --> 00:23:52,567 and I didn't get to be with them. 293 00:23:52,565 --> 00:23:54,265 And I never understood that. 294 00:23:54,834 --> 00:23:57,504 [school bell ringing] 295 00:23:57,504 --> 00:23:59,544 I was seven years old. 296 00:24:00,072 --> 00:24:02,312 I was in gym class 297 00:24:02,308 --> 00:24:05,548 and I remember them calling me over the intercom 298 00:24:05,545 --> 00:24:07,575 to come to the principal's office. 299 00:24:07,580 --> 00:24:10,880 So, you know, I'm sittin' here thinking I did something wrong. 300 00:24:10,883 --> 00:24:13,093 So, I went to the principal's office 301 00:24:13,085 --> 00:24:16,915 and that's when a CPS worker came to pick me up. 302 00:24:18,658 --> 00:24:20,828 She took me to the Child Advocacy Center. 303 00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:26,930 That's when all of the questioning with Ranger Kemp started. 304 00:24:41,347 --> 00:24:43,347 [Gabby] My first impression of Ranger Kemp 305 00:24:43,349 --> 00:24:46,249 was a little intimidated. 306 00:24:46,252 --> 00:24:49,562 He was a big man with a gun and a badge. 307 00:24:49,556 --> 00:24:52,086 And he had a presence about him 308 00:24:52,091 --> 00:24:53,991 that, yeah, he was soft and easygoing, 309 00:24:53,993 --> 00:24:56,133 but it was also like... 310 00:24:56,563 --> 00:24:57,663 demanded respect. 311 00:26:31,390 --> 00:26:34,830 Shortly thereafter, Kemp brings the first indictment 312 00:26:34,827 --> 00:26:38,297 to a Smith County grand Jury on Shelia Sones. 313 00:26:39,932 --> 00:26:41,072 And in short order, 314 00:26:41,067 --> 00:26:42,837 Shelia is arrested, 315 00:26:42,835 --> 00:26:44,665 Gabby's put into foster care 316 00:26:44,671 --> 00:26:46,941 and then, not long after that, 317 00:26:47,907 --> 00:26:49,077 Jimmy, 318 00:26:49,075 --> 00:26:50,875 Booger Red, 319 00:26:50,877 --> 00:26:52,707 Jamie Pittman 320 00:26:52,712 --> 00:26:54,452 and Shauntel 321 00:26:54,446 --> 00:26:55,776 are also arrested. 322 00:26:57,049 --> 00:27:00,049 And the another man, Dennis Pittman. 323 00:27:00,052 --> 00:27:02,592 He wasn't related to Jamie Pittman, 324 00:27:02,689 --> 00:27:04,719 but he was friends with Shauntel and Jamie. 325 00:27:06,492 --> 00:27:09,062 This was huge news right away. 326 00:27:10,697 --> 00:27:13,597 [Tamara] Mineola was such a big part of my childhood. 327 00:27:13,700 --> 00:27:15,530 So I was assigned that case. 328 00:27:16,368 --> 00:27:17,868 It was a huge story. 329 00:27:17,870 --> 00:27:20,310 You know, as a reporter, you try to remain impartial, 330 00:27:20,306 --> 00:27:21,806 but the personal side of me, 331 00:27:21,808 --> 00:27:23,838 I was really upset about it. 332 00:27:23,843 --> 00:27:25,213 It blew our minds. 333 00:27:25,211 --> 00:27:28,251 It was just insanity, the things that we heard. 334 00:27:31,083 --> 00:27:33,623 So I was very thankful that Smith County 335 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:34,950 actually stepped up to the plate. 336 00:27:34,954 --> 00:27:36,764 They did something that Wood County wouldn't do. 337 00:27:39,158 --> 00:27:41,528 The public was outraged. 338 00:27:41,527 --> 00:27:43,997 People in the community thought these parents 339 00:27:43,996 --> 00:27:46,726 were the lowest-type people on the earth. 340 00:27:48,567 --> 00:27:50,737 What they did was unforgivable. 341 00:27:56,642 --> 00:27:59,212 We heard they were grooming the underage kids. 342 00:27:59,211 --> 00:28:00,751 We were really, really shocked 343 00:28:00,747 --> 00:28:02,307 about what was happening in that town. 344 00:28:02,314 --> 00:28:03,384 And they kept it such a secret 345 00:28:04,751 --> 00:28:07,051 that no one in town knew anything about it. 346 00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:10,520 I first learned about it in Iraq. 347 00:28:10,522 --> 00:28:12,962 It was published in the Stars and Stripes there. 348 00:28:13,993 --> 00:28:16,763 And in bold, "Mineola Swinger's Club" 349 00:28:16,763 --> 00:28:19,873 and described a big criminal case 350 00:28:19,866 --> 00:28:21,366 about people molesting children, 351 00:28:21,367 --> 00:28:24,967 having them perform on a pole 352 00:28:24,971 --> 00:28:26,211 and perform sex acts. 353 00:28:37,784 --> 00:28:40,454 [Michael] I had never been to Mineola before I worked on this story. 354 00:28:40,452 --> 00:28:42,692 You feel like you are going back in time. 355 00:28:44,190 --> 00:28:46,360 You see the two sides of the tracks 356 00:28:46,358 --> 00:28:48,028 where you literally cross the railroad tracks 357 00:28:48,027 --> 00:28:50,327 and you are on the poor side of town. 358 00:28:52,431 --> 00:28:55,471 Trailer parks are everywhere. They're communities. 359 00:28:55,467 --> 00:28:58,197 They're like little villages, little hamlets 360 00:28:58,204 --> 00:28:59,414 on the outskirts of town. 361 00:29:00,706 --> 00:29:03,806 However, John and Margie lived in a house 362 00:29:03,810 --> 00:29:06,950 on that little lake just north of town. 363 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,480 From what I've seen, 364 00:29:09,481 --> 00:29:12,051 they were, at first, welcomed with open arms. 365 00:29:12,051 --> 00:29:14,251 They were conservative Christians. 366 00:29:14,253 --> 00:29:17,463 They were career foster parents back in California. 367 00:29:17,456 --> 00:29:20,656 They were career foster parents here in Texas. 368 00:29:20,659 --> 00:29:23,559 They had their hearts in the right place. 369 00:29:23,562 --> 00:29:26,572 When I met Margie, the first ten seconds, 370 00:29:26,565 --> 00:29:28,965 she comes across as very personable. 371 00:29:30,269 --> 00:29:34,409 And somewhere around the 15-minute mark, 372 00:29:34,406 --> 00:29:35,636 you begin to understand 373 00:29:35,641 --> 00:29:37,711 you're never gonna get a word in edgewise. 374 00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:41,410 And then, uh, at the 30-minute mark, 375 00:29:41,413 --> 00:29:43,453 you've heard about all you wanna hear. 376 00:29:43,449 --> 00:29:46,349 That was kind of my introduction to Margie. 377 00:29:49,655 --> 00:29:51,955 One day, my news director really pushed me 378 00:29:51,958 --> 00:29:54,158 to go and talk to Margie Cantrell. 379 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,490 And I thought there's no way 380 00:29:55,494 --> 00:29:57,364 that this woman is actually going to talk. 381 00:30:00,366 --> 00:30:02,626 But we went out to Lake Brenda. 382 00:30:06,405 --> 00:30:09,875 Lake Brenda is one of the nicest areas in East Texas. 383 00:30:12,578 --> 00:30:15,008 And I went up to Margie's door and knocked, 384 00:30:15,014 --> 00:30:16,324 and to my surprise, 385 00:30:16,315 --> 00:30:17,815 she opened the door 386 00:30:18,417 --> 00:30:20,187 and she welcomed us in. 387 00:30:20,186 --> 00:30:22,486 I remember their house was so beautiful. 388 00:30:22,488 --> 00:30:23,618 I mean, it was huge. 389 00:30:23,622 --> 00:30:25,392 These children had lived in a trailer 390 00:30:25,391 --> 00:30:27,361 and now they had this beautiful house. 391 00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:29,459 And it felt like it was just 392 00:30:29,461 --> 00:30:32,131 this perfect portrait of a home. 393 00:30:32,131 --> 00:30:35,031 I sit down on the couch and John was there, 394 00:30:35,034 --> 00:30:37,974 but he was just quietly in the background. 395 00:30:37,970 --> 00:30:39,370 He just didn't say a lot. 396 00:30:39,371 --> 00:30:41,011 I did try to talk to him a few times, 397 00:30:41,007 --> 00:30:42,637 but you just couldn't get anything out of him. 398 00:30:42,641 --> 00:30:44,841 He was pretty much like a wall in a lot of ways. 399 00:30:46,278 --> 00:30:49,848 Whereas Margie was so engaging and personable. 400 00:30:50,917 --> 00:30:52,677 All of times, in those kinds of situations, 401 00:30:52,684 --> 00:30:54,924 you do everything you can to pull something out 402 00:30:54,921 --> 00:30:56,061 and gain trust 403 00:30:56,055 --> 00:30:57,855 and want somebody to open up to you, 404 00:30:57,856 --> 00:31:00,026 but she was so open 405 00:31:00,026 --> 00:31:01,956 about everything the children had been through 406 00:31:01,961 --> 00:31:04,001 and how terrible this was. 407 00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:05,760 I became thankful 408 00:31:05,764 --> 00:31:07,804 that this woman was helping these children. 409 00:31:13,205 --> 00:31:14,835 And leading up to the trial, 410 00:31:14,941 --> 00:31:17,181 I remember it feeling almost like a Super Bowl 411 00:31:17,176 --> 00:31:19,606 because there was just so much tension. 412 00:31:20,779 --> 00:31:21,949 The heartbeat of the town 413 00:31:21,948 --> 00:31:23,678 was that finally these children 414 00:31:23,682 --> 00:31:24,982 were going to get justice, 415 00:31:24,984 --> 00:31:26,324 and finally these defendants 416 00:31:26,318 --> 00:31:28,548 were gonna be put away forever. 417 00:31:39,231 --> 00:31:40,631 The 36-year-old Pittman 418 00:31:40,632 --> 00:31:42,632 is accused of forcing young children 419 00:31:42,634 --> 00:31:44,544 under the age of seven 420 00:31:44,536 --> 00:31:47,306 to have sex with each other and adults. 421 00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:50,140 [Michael] Jack Skeen is the judge. 422 00:31:50,142 --> 00:31:53,882 You did not mess around with crime in Smith County 423 00:31:53,980 --> 00:31:56,520 because Jack Skeen would go after you. 424 00:31:58,017 --> 00:32:01,447 Matt Bingham is the elected district attorney of Smith County. 425 00:32:01,453 --> 00:32:05,023 Am I an aggressive prosecutor of crimes against children? 426 00:32:05,024 --> 00:32:06,334 You better believe it. 427 00:32:06,325 --> 00:32:09,095 [Michael] And he gave one of his trusted guys, Joe Murphy, 428 00:32:09,095 --> 00:32:10,525 the lead on this case. 429 00:32:10,529 --> 00:32:11,899 Words cannot describe 430 00:32:11,998 --> 00:32:14,728 what these children have gone through. 431 00:32:14,733 --> 00:32:16,443 Uh, words cannot describe 432 00:32:16,435 --> 00:32:19,705 the actions of not only Jamie Pittman, 433 00:32:19,705 --> 00:32:22,365 but all the other people that are involved in this case. 434 00:32:22,374 --> 00:32:24,414 I sat in the courtroom every single day 435 00:32:24,410 --> 00:32:27,010 and the mood was very tense. 436 00:32:28,314 --> 00:32:29,254 Margie was in the courtroom. 437 00:32:29,248 --> 00:32:31,018 You know, she was a big part of-- 438 00:32:31,017 --> 00:32:33,487 I say the word "spectacle" and I hate to even say that, 439 00:32:33,485 --> 00:32:35,015 but that's what it was in a lot of ways. 440 00:32:35,021 --> 00:32:36,661 Exhibit number 20. 441 00:32:36,655 --> 00:32:38,415 What is this? 442 00:32:38,424 --> 00:32:39,834 [Michael] During the trial, 443 00:32:39,825 --> 00:32:42,455 Ranger Kemp came in and testified. 444 00:32:44,030 --> 00:32:45,460 And do all these outcries match? 445 00:32:45,464 --> 00:32:46,434 Yes, they do. 446 00:32:46,432 --> 00:32:47,732 Not only do you have that, 447 00:32:47,733 --> 00:32:50,673 do you have the existence of a swingers club? 448 00:32:50,669 --> 00:32:51,639 Yes, you do. 449 00:32:51,637 --> 00:32:53,837 [Michael] He was entirely unflappable. 450 00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:56,809 He was very calm and very cool. 451 00:32:58,544 --> 00:33:01,054 And they showed the interviews with the children. 452 00:33:12,691 --> 00:33:16,061 [Michael] The prosecution's case was the testimony of the children. 453 00:33:16,595 --> 00:33:18,255 So they all testified. 454 00:33:23,102 --> 00:33:24,272 [Tamara] They would open the doors 455 00:33:24,270 --> 00:33:25,700 and the kids would just come out 456 00:33:25,704 --> 00:33:28,144 and they were just so adorable. 457 00:33:30,776 --> 00:33:33,246 You just couldn't imagine what they went through. 458 00:33:34,146 --> 00:33:36,416 The girl worked here. 459 00:33:36,415 --> 00:33:39,085 On the stand, she testified of what it looked like, 460 00:33:39,085 --> 00:33:41,215 describing the flowers on the wall, 461 00:33:41,220 --> 00:33:42,950 saying it's what she would look at 462 00:33:42,954 --> 00:33:45,464 while being raped night after night. 463 00:33:46,725 --> 00:33:50,955 They said, in return, they got to eat dinner. 464 00:33:54,166 --> 00:33:55,266 [Gabby] During the first trial, 465 00:33:55,267 --> 00:33:57,197 I was maybe seven, maybe eight. 466 00:33:57,203 --> 00:33:59,543 I was stressed out. 467 00:33:59,538 --> 00:34:01,008 I was full of anxiety. 468 00:34:04,876 --> 00:34:07,976 I'm looking around and I'm seeing all of these people, 469 00:34:07,979 --> 00:34:10,719 the man in the big black robe, 470 00:34:10,716 --> 00:34:13,686 the news media was there, there was cameras. 471 00:34:13,685 --> 00:34:16,015 It was just an overwhelming experience. 472 00:34:17,556 --> 00:34:20,326 When I saw Jamie Pittman sitting there, 473 00:34:20,326 --> 00:34:22,126 I remember he looked sad. 474 00:34:22,128 --> 00:34:25,728 And I remember testifying and I... 475 00:34:26,998 --> 00:34:28,568 had no remorse. 476 00:34:35,507 --> 00:34:38,507 [Michael] The trial of Jamie Pittman only lasted three days. 477 00:34:39,578 --> 00:34:42,578 And the jury came to its decision very quickly. 478 00:34:44,583 --> 00:34:46,393 When we went into the courtroom 479 00:34:46,385 --> 00:34:48,345 to hear the verdicts, 480 00:34:49,221 --> 00:34:50,261 the kids were saying, 481 00:34:50,256 --> 00:34:53,826 "It just has to be, it has to be, it has to be." 482 00:34:53,825 --> 00:34:57,255 They wanted this with all their heart and soul. 483 00:35:00,566 --> 00:35:02,326 [Tamara reporting] It took less than ten minutes 484 00:35:02,334 --> 00:35:06,844 for a Smith County jury to find Jamie Pittman guilty. 485 00:35:06,838 --> 00:35:08,708 And the kids went, "Yes!" 486 00:35:11,310 --> 00:35:13,780 They felt very vindicated. 487 00:35:24,956 --> 00:35:26,756 [reporter] On Monday, Pittman's girlfriend 488 00:35:26,758 --> 00:35:30,028 will be the second defendant to face a Smith County jury. 489 00:35:30,028 --> 00:35:32,528 29-year-old Shauntel Loraine Mayo 490 00:35:32,531 --> 00:35:35,231 is charged with child sexual abuse. 491 00:35:41,807 --> 00:35:43,837 [Tamara] Shauntel was gonna be the big case, 492 00:35:43,842 --> 00:35:46,452 because this was the mother. 493 00:35:46,445 --> 00:35:48,475 People wanted to understand how in the world 494 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,220 this woman could have these precious children 495 00:35:51,217 --> 00:35:53,217 and do something like this. 496 00:35:55,521 --> 00:35:57,891 My name is Ellen Gayle Burress. 497 00:35:57,889 --> 00:35:59,789 I have a Bachelor of Arts, 498 00:35:59,791 --> 00:36:01,231 a Master's of Science 499 00:36:01,227 --> 00:36:02,757 and a PhD. 500 00:36:02,761 --> 00:36:05,561 And until I stopped practicing, 501 00:36:05,564 --> 00:36:07,734 I was a licensed professional counselor 502 00:36:08,934 --> 00:36:10,404 and expert witness. 503 00:36:13,272 --> 00:36:15,442 Everything I saw about those kids 504 00:36:15,441 --> 00:36:17,141 talked to me about damage, 505 00:36:17,609 --> 00:36:18,809 about fear, 506 00:36:18,810 --> 00:36:19,680 and a couple of 'em, 507 00:36:20,111 --> 00:36:21,651 there was real... 508 00:36:22,314 --> 00:36:23,584 shame. 509 00:36:23,582 --> 00:36:25,382 [prosecutor] Were you able to determine whether or not 510 00:36:25,384 --> 00:36:27,994 there was any type of grooming that was involved 511 00:36:27,986 --> 00:36:29,756 with these children? 512 00:36:29,755 --> 00:36:32,915 Well, obviously, kindergarten was the grooming spot, 513 00:36:32,924 --> 00:36:37,764 in terms of getting them ready to do in front of others 514 00:36:37,763 --> 00:36:39,633 what they wanted them to do. 515 00:36:39,631 --> 00:36:41,271 They had to teach them to dance. 516 00:36:41,267 --> 00:36:43,167 They had to teach them to touch each other 517 00:36:43,269 --> 00:36:44,439 and masturbate 518 00:36:44,436 --> 00:36:46,506 and take off their clothes 519 00:36:46,505 --> 00:36:48,335 and act sexy, 520 00:36:48,340 --> 00:36:51,540 because 5-year-olds don't act sexy. 521 00:36:53,645 --> 00:36:55,975 [Gabby] By the time that it had gotten to my sister 522 00:36:55,981 --> 00:36:57,021 Shauntel's trial, 523 00:36:57,015 --> 00:36:59,815 I had already been questioned a million times. 524 00:36:59,818 --> 00:37:02,648 I had already gone over the testimony a million times. 525 00:37:02,654 --> 00:37:04,294 I was tired of it. 526 00:37:04,290 --> 00:37:06,190 I was-- I was ready to quit. 527 00:37:06,292 --> 00:37:07,932 I didn't wanna do it anymore. 528 00:37:07,926 --> 00:37:11,696 But, you know, I still kept being hounded with 529 00:37:11,697 --> 00:37:13,527 "Well, you have to do this. You have to do this. 530 00:37:13,532 --> 00:37:15,302 You have to get justice for the others." 531 00:37:16,402 --> 00:37:17,572 [Tamara] When Gabby took the stand, 532 00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:18,939 she admitted that, yes, 533 00:37:18,937 --> 00:37:22,067 that she had been to the Mineola swingers club. 534 00:37:22,073 --> 00:37:24,343 And she said that she took "silly pills" there, 535 00:37:24,343 --> 00:37:26,583 she went to kindergarten, that she performed 536 00:37:26,578 --> 00:37:29,448 and she identified her own sister, Shauntel, 537 00:37:29,448 --> 00:37:30,978 as being someone that took her there. 538 00:37:34,453 --> 00:37:37,363 [Gabby] I remember my sister sitting there 539 00:37:37,356 --> 00:37:39,186 by her lawyer and she was just bawling. 540 00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:40,230 She was just-- 541 00:37:43,562 --> 00:37:44,932 [voice breaking] 542 00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:46,430 She was just crying. 543 00:37:47,333 --> 00:37:49,173 And I still remember... 544 00:37:49,935 --> 00:37:51,335 not caring. 545 00:38:05,351 --> 00:38:06,951 [Hunter] Seeing my mom in the courtroom, 546 00:38:06,952 --> 00:38:10,362 I'm not even sure I recognized her. 547 00:39:06,812 --> 00:39:09,922 I ask you to find her guilty of what she's guilty of, 548 00:39:09,915 --> 00:39:13,145 engaging in organized criminal activity for profit 549 00:39:13,151 --> 00:39:15,451 with her own children. 550 00:39:15,454 --> 00:39:17,964 The jury deliberated for two hours. 551 00:39:17,956 --> 00:39:19,316 [foreperson] We, the jury, 552 00:39:19,425 --> 00:39:21,485 find the defendant, Shauntel Mayo, 553 00:39:21,493 --> 00:39:23,163 guilty of the offence. 554 00:39:23,161 --> 00:39:24,931 It was guilty right away. 555 00:39:46,518 --> 00:39:48,288 [Hunter] When the verdicts were read out, 556 00:39:48,286 --> 00:39:50,986 we had absolutely no emotion, you know. 557 00:39:50,989 --> 00:39:56,329 It wasn't as if they were really a family to us anymore. 558 00:40:00,899 --> 00:40:02,999 [Tamara] When Shauntel Mayo was found guilty, 559 00:40:03,001 --> 00:40:04,641 it was a relief for a lot of people. 560 00:40:04,636 --> 00:40:07,006 I think a lot of people were thankful 561 00:40:07,005 --> 00:40:08,835 and that these bad people 562 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,280 who did these horrible things to kids 563 00:40:10,275 --> 00:40:11,805 were gonna be locked away. 564 00:40:14,412 --> 00:40:17,282 [reporter] News from the Mineola Swingers Club case. 565 00:40:17,282 --> 00:40:20,552 Jury selection for the trial of Patrick "Booger Red" Kelly, 566 00:40:20,552 --> 00:40:22,992 a friend of Shauntel Mayo and Jamie Pittman, 567 00:40:22,988 --> 00:40:25,058 is due to begin early next week. 568 00:40:31,863 --> 00:40:34,173 [Michael] Booger Red, Patrick Kelly, 569 00:40:34,165 --> 00:40:36,695 was the one who had the trailer where, apparently, 570 00:40:36,702 --> 00:40:39,172 the sex kindergarten had taken place. 571 00:41:12,838 --> 00:41:15,568 So what they said is they would first go to kindergarten 572 00:41:15,574 --> 00:41:16,914 and get these dolls 573 00:41:16,908 --> 00:41:20,278 and learn how to touch themselves in different ways. 574 00:41:20,278 --> 00:41:22,548 They would put on costumes and doctor costumes 575 00:41:22,548 --> 00:41:23,678 and would go out and perform. 576 00:42:01,319 --> 00:42:03,759 [Tamara] The things that the kids had said about Patrick Kelly 577 00:42:03,755 --> 00:42:05,085 were sensational 578 00:42:05,090 --> 00:42:07,630 and dominated the headlines before the trial. 579 00:42:08,259 --> 00:42:09,959 But during jury selection, 580 00:42:09,961 --> 00:42:11,601 there was a massive bombshell. 581 00:42:13,231 --> 00:42:16,971 [Margie] The Wood County Sheriffs came in the front door 582 00:42:16,968 --> 00:42:19,368 and barraged on my husband John, 583 00:42:19,370 --> 00:42:20,810 grabbed him up, 584 00:42:20,806 --> 00:42:21,966 ran him out of the house. 585 00:42:21,973 --> 00:42:23,443 We're like, "What is going on? 586 00:42:23,441 --> 00:42:25,811 What is going on?" 587 00:42:25,811 --> 00:42:26,881 [Tamara reporting] John Cantrell, 588 00:42:26,878 --> 00:42:29,108 a man awarded custody of three young siblings 589 00:42:29,114 --> 00:42:31,454 who allegedly performed at the swingers club 590 00:42:31,449 --> 00:42:34,249 was arrested in Wood County. 591 00:42:34,252 --> 00:42:37,162 They were arresting him for molesting his daughter 592 00:42:37,155 --> 00:42:39,955 20 years ago back in California. 593 00:42:46,131 --> 00:42:49,871 [producer] How would you describe John Cantrell's personality? 594 00:42:51,703 --> 00:42:54,713 [Jenna] There's a phrase. "A wolf in sheep's clothing." 595 00:42:55,841 --> 00:42:59,281 He likes videos about people being raped, 596 00:42:59,277 --> 00:43:00,147 and stuff like that. 597 00:43:01,279 --> 00:43:02,349 He likes little girls. 598 00:43:04,049 --> 00:43:07,249 He would make me watch it with him. 599 00:43:07,252 --> 00:43:09,192 And when I would close my eyes, 600 00:43:09,187 --> 00:43:10,517 "No, you need to open your eyes. 601 00:43:10,521 --> 00:43:12,161 You need to see this." 602 00:43:12,157 --> 00:43:16,057 I would tell Margie what had happened 603 00:43:16,061 --> 00:43:18,661 and she would say I was a little slut. 604 00:43:18,664 --> 00:43:21,674 "It's all your fault. It's all your fault." 605 00:43:21,667 --> 00:43:24,197 This is not true. 606 00:43:24,202 --> 00:43:26,672 It didn't happen. 607 00:43:26,672 --> 00:43:29,442 [Jenna] Margie is a great manipulator. 608 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,440 She can make herself and make you believe 609 00:43:33,444 --> 00:43:34,554 she's right. 610 00:43:36,447 --> 00:43:38,547 And you just get brainwashed. 611 00:43:39,951 --> 00:43:41,251 She's straight evil. 47211

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