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It's a long-ass time to just sit there. 8 00:01:41,810 --> 00:01:43,227 Yeah, it is. 9 00:01:43,395 --> 00:01:44,479 Here we go. 10 00:01:44,646 --> 00:01:48,816 If they knew anything about my son, they wouldn't have done what they did. 11 00:01:48,984 --> 00:01:51,819 Pat Tillman, safety, Arizona State. 12 00:01:51,987 --> 00:01:57,492 Because he didn't really fit into that box that they would have liked. 13 00:02:23,018 --> 00:02:25,520 Pat Tillman loved the game of football. 14 00:02:25,687 --> 00:02:29,273 Yet, as much as Pat Tillman loved competing on the football field... 15 00:02:29,441 --> 00:02:31,859 ...he loved America even more. 16 00:02:34,321 --> 00:02:37,907 Courageous and humble, a loving husband and son... 17 00:02:38,075 --> 00:02:42,662 ...a devoted brother and a fierce defender of liberty. 18 00:02:43,247 --> 00:02:45,164 Pat Tillman will always be remembered-- 19 00:02:45,332 --> 00:02:48,543 I think they just thought, if they spun the story and we found out... 20 00:02:48,710 --> 00:02:51,796 ...we'd just keep it quiet because we wouldn't want to diminish... 21 00:02:51,964 --> 00:02:54,215 ...his heroism or anything like that... 22 00:02:54,383 --> 00:02:58,344 ...but, you know, nobody question's Pat's heroics. He was always heroic. 23 00:02:59,429 --> 00:03:01,222 What they said happened, didn't happen. 24 00:03:01,390 --> 00:03:05,560 They made up a story, and so you have to set the record straight. 25 00:03:10,148 --> 00:03:12,066 Good evening, thanks for joining us-- 26 00:03:12,234 --> 00:03:13,359 Our top story-- 27 00:03:13,527 --> 00:03:15,570 On a more serious and indeed, tragic note-- 28 00:03:15,737 --> 00:03:17,738 Live fire rounds all around me-- 29 00:03:23,495 --> 00:03:27,123 In the third week of April 2004, the 24-hour news cycle... 30 00:03:27,291 --> 00:03:31,085 ...was dominated by two stories about fallen American soldiers. 31 00:03:32,921 --> 00:03:35,590 The first involved an airport worker who had been fired... 32 00:03:35,757 --> 00:03:39,093 ...after sharing these photos with her local newspaper. 33 00:03:41,179 --> 00:03:43,097 This sparked debate about a federal law... 34 00:03:43,265 --> 00:03:46,225 ...that had been in place since the first Gulf War. 35 00:03:46,393 --> 00:03:49,353 Why should we hear about body bags and deaths? 36 00:03:50,147 --> 00:03:54,942 Americans had been mesmerized by news coverage from the Persian Gulf. 37 00:03:55,110 --> 00:03:57,028 But the military said photos like these... 38 00:03:57,195 --> 00:03:59,947 ...violated the privacy of grieving families. 39 00:04:05,245 --> 00:04:08,789 The second story was not considered a violation of privacy. 40 00:04:08,957 --> 00:04:11,959 Pat Tillman, who gave up a multimillion-dollar contract... 41 00:04:12,127 --> 00:04:14,962 ...in professional football, has been killed. 42 00:04:21,178 --> 00:04:24,889 At age 25, Pat Tillman was a charismatic defensive back... 43 00:04:25,057 --> 00:04:26,807 ...in the national football league... 44 00:04:26,975 --> 00:04:30,311 ...with a reputation as a bruising tackler. 45 00:04:31,063 --> 00:04:32,480 But he brushed it all aside... 46 00:04:32,648 --> 00:04:35,316 ...when he announced that he would be quitting the NFL... 47 00:04:35,484 --> 00:04:38,945 ...joining the Army Rangers along with his brother Kevin... 48 00:04:39,112 --> 00:04:42,156 ...and setting off to fight in the Middle East. 49 00:04:43,367 --> 00:04:45,660 Though the media hounded him for an interview... 50 00:04:45,827 --> 00:04:49,789 ...Tillman refused to speak publicly about his decision to leave the NFL... 51 00:04:49,957 --> 00:04:54,251 ...requesting only that he be looked upon as any other soldier. 52 00:04:55,504 --> 00:05:00,424 But this was a request that, in death, the public could not grant him. 53 00:05:01,677 --> 00:05:04,136 The first thing we heard when we got the news of Pat's death... 54 00:05:05,472 --> 00:05:07,723 ...was that he was shot in the head getting out of a vehicle. 55 00:05:07,891 --> 00:05:09,100 That's all we heard. 56 00:05:09,267 --> 00:05:12,853 We didn't get an official story until the memorial service. 57 00:05:16,650 --> 00:05:20,236 If you're the victim of an ambush, there are very few things you can do... 58 00:05:20,404 --> 00:05:23,197 ...to increase your chances of survival. 59 00:05:23,365 --> 00:05:28,619 One of which is to get off that ambush point as fast as you can. 60 00:05:29,413 --> 00:05:32,540 One of the vehicles in Pat's convoy... 61 00:05:36,086 --> 00:05:38,212 ...could not get off. 62 00:05:42,134 --> 00:05:46,053 He made the call, he dismounted his troops... 63 00:05:46,638 --> 00:05:49,807 ...taking the fight to the enemy uphill. 64 00:05:51,143 --> 00:05:54,353 This gave his brothers, in the downed vehicle... 65 00:05:55,230 --> 00:05:57,982 ...time to move off that target. 66 00:06:00,027 --> 00:06:03,404 He directly saved their lives with that move. 67 00:06:10,704 --> 00:06:13,122 Pat's memorial service in San Jose, California... 68 00:06:13,290 --> 00:06:15,958 ...was carried live by all the major networks. 69 00:06:16,126 --> 00:06:19,754 That service is ongoing right now, as you just saw here on Fox News-- 70 00:06:19,921 --> 00:06:23,007 The story recounted in the eulogy was abridged... 71 00:06:23,175 --> 00:06:26,052 ...elaborated upon and retold time and again. 72 00:06:26,219 --> 00:06:29,346 According to military accounts, Tillman ordered his men up a hill... 73 00:06:29,514 --> 00:06:32,516 ...to attack terrorists that had pinned down part of his platoon. 74 00:06:32,684 --> 00:06:35,102 All the soldiers in that ambushed platoon were saved. 75 00:06:35,270 --> 00:06:37,229 They were rescued by Pat Tillman. 76 00:06:37,397 --> 00:06:39,607 Tillman directed his team into firing positions. 77 00:06:39,941 --> 00:06:42,109 Tillman's voice was heard issuing commands... 78 00:06:42,277 --> 00:06:44,111 ...to take the fight to the enemy forces. 79 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,740 Pat Tillman's family will also receive the Silver Star for his service... 80 00:06:47,908 --> 00:06:51,744 ...and his great heroic efforts over there on April 22nd. 81 00:06:51,912 --> 00:06:56,123 Pat was given the Silver Star, the nation's third highest combat honor... 82 00:06:56,291 --> 00:07:00,544 ...awarded for valor in battle with enemies of the United States. 83 00:07:01,755 --> 00:07:03,380 A Navy SEAL friend of the family... 84 00:07:03,548 --> 00:07:06,300 ...had based his eulogy on the Silver Star narrative. 85 00:07:06,468 --> 00:07:10,971 Pat sacrificed himself so his brothers could live. 86 00:07:14,726 --> 00:07:17,937 What they received was something that was really honorable, you know. 87 00:07:18,105 --> 00:07:21,315 The narrative that they got was something that was befitting a hero. 88 00:07:22,818 --> 00:07:27,029 I knew that there was a massive possibility... 89 00:07:27,197 --> 00:07:31,450 ...that other things were gonna come out to bring certain things to light... 90 00:07:31,618 --> 00:07:34,286 ...that were gonna completely... 91 00:07:34,704 --> 00:07:38,624 ...make that ceremony invalid. 92 00:07:42,546 --> 00:07:44,338 Company. 93 00:07:46,174 --> 00:07:49,468 Present arm. 94 00:07:57,978 --> 00:08:03,023 I remember, we did like this little memorial in Afghanistan for Pat. 95 00:08:03,191 --> 00:08:05,818 You know, I mean, fuck, everybody showed up. 96 00:08:06,194 --> 00:08:08,445 It was terrible. It was terrible seeing everybody. 97 00:08:08,613 --> 00:08:12,825 Everybody was just lost, shocked, frustrated. 98 00:08:16,413 --> 00:08:18,622 Sound off for roll call. 99 00:08:18,790 --> 00:08:21,041 - Specialist Atkins. - Here, first sarge. 100 00:08:21,209 --> 00:08:23,210 - Sergeant Elroy. - Here, first sarge. 101 00:08:23,378 --> 00:08:25,462 - Specialist Norman. - Here, first sarge. 102 00:08:25,630 --> 00:08:27,840 Specialist Tillman. 103 00:08:29,593 --> 00:08:32,428 Specialist Patrick Tillman. 104 00:08:34,264 --> 00:08:37,850 Specialist Patrick Daniel Tillman. 105 00:08:40,395 --> 00:08:42,021 I knew we were gonna get debriefed. 106 00:08:42,189 --> 00:08:45,065 And they were gonna pick it apart and figure out what happened. 107 00:08:45,233 --> 00:08:48,402 And people were gonna get punished and people were gonna be leaving. 108 00:08:48,570 --> 00:08:52,907 I didn't expect to ever, you know, be on a plane like two hours later. 109 00:08:56,578 --> 00:09:00,664 They knew what the relationship was between me, Kevin and Pat. 110 00:09:00,832 --> 00:09:02,082 And they told me: 111 00:09:02,250 --> 00:09:06,128 "You're the closest to the brothers, we want you to fly back with Kevin. 112 00:09:06,296 --> 00:09:08,923 It's not your place to tell the family anything. 113 00:09:09,090 --> 00:09:11,508 You need to keep your mouth shut about it. 114 00:09:11,676 --> 00:09:15,262 You need to not cause any type of turmoil." 115 00:09:16,431 --> 00:09:19,934 And I-- You know, I said, okay. Yeah. 116 00:09:20,769 --> 00:09:23,729 They put us into a cargo plane that was completely empty. 117 00:09:23,897 --> 00:09:27,691 The only thing in it, right there in the middle, was Pat's coffin. 118 00:09:27,859 --> 00:09:30,236 And they covered it with an American flag. 119 00:09:39,955 --> 00:09:43,791 Just sitting across from Kevin and looking at him, I couldn't say anything. 120 00:09:43,959 --> 00:09:47,127 I barely said two words to Kevin the whole time we were flying home. 121 00:09:50,382 --> 00:09:54,134 I was afraid that he might ask me what happened to Pat. 122 00:10:00,976 --> 00:10:04,812 Russell Baer came to our house after Pat's memorial service... 123 00:10:04,980 --> 00:10:07,648 ...and my ex-husband, or Pat's father... 124 00:10:07,816 --> 00:10:11,568 ...asked Russell to tell the story of what happened to Pat. 125 00:10:11,736 --> 00:10:14,655 The position he was in while he was over at the house... 126 00:10:16,658 --> 00:10:19,618 ...was, I'm sure, very awkward. It appeared very awkward. 127 00:10:19,786 --> 00:10:22,830 At the time, it seemed that he was still very upset... 128 00:10:22,998 --> 00:10:25,874 ...and rattled by the whole setting, and Pat's death... 129 00:10:26,042 --> 00:10:27,668 ...because he liked Pat a lot. 130 00:10:29,671 --> 00:10:33,590 I went into Pat's mom's living room and I gave them my narrative... 131 00:10:33,758 --> 00:10:36,635 ...excluding certain possibilities. 132 00:10:36,803 --> 00:10:41,015 And Russell Baer told us nothing. 133 00:10:42,517 --> 00:10:46,520 Initially, I was not real pleased with Russell Baer. 134 00:10:46,688 --> 00:10:49,231 It upset me that this kid... 135 00:10:49,399 --> 00:10:52,693 ...that's supposed to be a friend of the family's, didn't say anything. 136 00:10:53,445 --> 00:10:58,365 But we found out about five weeks later, the reason. 137 00:10:59,284 --> 00:11:02,119 A reporter from the Arizona Republic contacted me. 138 00:11:02,287 --> 00:11:05,873 It was peculiar because I hadn't heard from the media for quite a few weeks. 139 00:11:06,041 --> 00:11:09,376 And I just got a very eerie feeling, and when I called him back... 140 00:11:09,544 --> 00:11:12,755 ...he asked me what I thought about the news the Army had given us... 141 00:11:12,922 --> 00:11:15,049 ...and I didn't know what he was talking about. 142 00:11:15,216 --> 00:11:17,092 So I basically prodded him to tell me... 143 00:11:17,260 --> 00:11:20,220 ...and he said that, you know, there was a suspicion... 144 00:11:20,388 --> 00:11:24,933 ...that Pat was killed by fratricide, "friendly fire." 145 00:11:25,393 --> 00:11:29,396 The U.S. Army now says Pat Tillman was not killed by enemy fire. 146 00:11:29,564 --> 00:11:31,231 It was dark, the terrain was rough. 147 00:11:31,399 --> 00:11:34,360 To put it another way, it was the fog of war. 148 00:11:34,527 --> 00:11:37,905 Now the Army says, Tillman's death was apparently an accident. 149 00:11:38,073 --> 00:11:41,450 The investigation results indicate that Corporal Tillman... 150 00:11:41,618 --> 00:11:44,411 ...probably died as a result of friendly fire... 151 00:11:44,579 --> 00:11:49,333 ...while his unit was engaged in combat with enemy forces. 152 00:11:49,667 --> 00:11:53,545 It was determined that I was to give the press conference. 153 00:11:54,339 --> 00:11:55,672 My role during this period... 154 00:11:57,967 --> 00:12:00,761 ...was commander of the U.S. Army Special Operations Command. 155 00:12:00,929 --> 00:12:03,806 I commanded the Green Berets... 156 00:12:03,973 --> 00:12:08,018 ...Civil Affairs, SIOPs, the 160th Aviation... 157 00:12:08,186 --> 00:12:12,856 ...the Rangers and a number of our Special units. 158 00:12:13,024 --> 00:12:16,944 It was General Kensinger's job to explain why five weeks earlier... 159 00:12:17,112 --> 00:12:21,615 ...the military had reported that Pat was killed by the Taliban. 160 00:12:21,783 --> 00:12:24,785 You know, I don't wanna sound trite... 161 00:12:24,953 --> 00:12:28,956 ...but there's an old Army adage that says first reports are incorrect. 162 00:12:29,124 --> 00:12:33,127 There is an inherent danger of confusion in any firefight... 163 00:12:33,294 --> 00:12:36,255 ...particularly when a unit is ambushed. 164 00:12:36,423 --> 00:12:37,798 During the press conference... 165 00:12:37,966 --> 00:12:40,801 ...and at a subsequent private briefing with the Tillman's... 166 00:12:40,969 --> 00:12:44,471 ...the Army said Pat had been killed by an errant U.S. bullet... 167 00:12:44,639 --> 00:12:46,640 ...during a chaotic ambush. 168 00:12:46,808 --> 00:12:50,060 The ambush was conducted by 10 to 12 enemy personnel... 169 00:12:50,228 --> 00:12:51,520 ...from multiple locations-- 170 00:12:51,688 --> 00:12:54,273 According to them, things were confusing... 171 00:12:54,441 --> 00:12:57,818 ...and it's an unfortunate accident. 172 00:12:57,986 --> 00:13:02,573 I know I felt like they haven't really looked into this well enough... 173 00:13:02,740 --> 00:13:05,659 ...to give me an explanation, and I don't much appreciate that. 174 00:13:06,494 --> 00:13:08,662 The results of this investigation... 175 00:13:08,830 --> 00:13:13,333 ...in no way diminish the bravery and sacrifice displayed... 176 00:13:13,501 --> 00:13:15,669 ...by Corporal Tillman. 177 00:13:16,004 --> 00:13:20,090 In the process of this explanation, I asked one of them: 178 00:13:20,633 --> 00:13:24,720 "Why then award him a Silver Star? 179 00:13:24,888 --> 00:13:28,474 You don't give a Silver Star for attitude." 180 00:13:28,641 --> 00:13:31,310 He goes, "Well, we did in this case." 181 00:13:31,478 --> 00:13:35,022 You don't wanna think the worst of the people that you're dealing with. 182 00:13:35,190 --> 00:13:40,444 Our thoughts and our prayers remain with the Tillman family. 183 00:13:40,612 --> 00:13:42,988 Thank you for being here this morning. 184 00:13:43,156 --> 00:13:45,532 You want to believe they're telling you the truth... 185 00:13:45,700 --> 00:13:48,494 ...yet, you're getting this sense that you're being lied to. 186 00:13:48,661 --> 00:13:51,371 U.S. Central Command is the point of contact... 187 00:13:51,539 --> 00:13:55,292 ...for further inquiries in this investigation. Thank you. 188 00:13:55,460 --> 00:13:58,712 At the end of the briefing, we were told that we would be getting... 189 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:03,675 ...the source documents that were used to support the investigation. 190 00:14:07,639 --> 00:14:12,059 They showed me the box. It was six binders full of stuff. 191 00:14:12,227 --> 00:14:16,355 "Eventually, Mr. Tillman, you're going to get a copy of all this." 192 00:14:17,357 --> 00:14:19,608 I said, "Great. When am I gonna get it?" 193 00:14:28,243 --> 00:14:30,577 What motivates you the most? 194 00:14:33,248 --> 00:14:36,250 I don't know. I get a lot of satisfaction out of, like... 195 00:14:36,417 --> 00:14:38,710 ...you know, my family being proud of me. 196 00:14:38,878 --> 00:14:41,922 My brothers, you know, I care what they think and how they feel... 197 00:14:42,090 --> 00:14:44,424 ...and I want them to be proud of what I'm doing. 198 00:14:44,592 --> 00:14:49,429 My mom-- My mom finished dead last in the San Francisco Marathon. 199 00:14:49,597 --> 00:14:52,641 I don't know when it was. She was probably 30-- Whatever years old. 200 00:14:52,809 --> 00:14:54,893 I mean, dead last. On the little sheet when-- 201 00:14:55,061 --> 00:14:58,939 You know, they do it-- Her-- Mary Tillman, the last fricking name. 202 00:14:59,107 --> 00:15:03,151 They were actually tearing everything down when she finished, you know. 203 00:15:03,319 --> 00:15:05,153 They were putting everything away. 204 00:15:05,321 --> 00:15:09,116 So, I mean, that says a lot about her. She's a real hard-working woman-- 205 00:15:09,284 --> 00:15:12,119 Dannie committed herself to trying to... 206 00:15:12,287 --> 00:15:14,955 ...you know, figure out exactly what happened to our son. 207 00:15:15,373 --> 00:15:18,750 She contacted a lot of people. She did a lot of work. 208 00:15:20,169 --> 00:15:22,504 I'd take things to work, or I'd make phone calls... 209 00:15:22,672 --> 00:15:26,133 ...when I didn't have students, or when I had my break or at lunch. 210 00:15:26,301 --> 00:15:29,636 I'd call the medical examiner, the coroner. 211 00:15:29,804 --> 00:15:34,558 I'd call ballistic people trying to find someone that could answer questions. 212 00:15:34,726 --> 00:15:38,520 I mean, I was just making calls all the time. 213 00:15:38,855 --> 00:15:43,317 Along the way, I'd encounter people that were able to help us. 214 00:15:44,485 --> 00:15:49,323 And at somewhere along the line, we got in touch with Stan Goff. 215 00:15:49,657 --> 00:15:54,328 I was running a blog, everybody got a blog nowadays... 216 00:15:54,495 --> 00:15:57,289 ...so I wrote something about the Tillman Case. 217 00:15:57,707 --> 00:16:00,459 It was just, you know, a commentary piece related to... 218 00:16:00,627 --> 00:16:04,630 ...this whole perception-management aspect of the war. 219 00:16:04,797 --> 00:16:07,507 So when we got to talking, she realized I'd been around. 220 00:16:07,675 --> 00:16:12,095 I'd been to Vietnam and Guatemala... 221 00:16:12,263 --> 00:16:17,392 ...Grenada, El Salvador, Peru, Colombia, Somalia. 222 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,603 Three assignments with Ranger units... 223 00:16:19,771 --> 00:16:22,022 ...two assignments with the Special Forces unit... 224 00:16:22,190 --> 00:16:24,816 ...one assignment with the Counterterrorist unit. 225 00:16:25,777 --> 00:16:29,196 So it wasn't just that I had experience in Pat's unit... 226 00:16:29,364 --> 00:16:32,115 ...it was also that I could sort of help them... 227 00:16:32,283 --> 00:16:36,536 ...read the hieroglyphics in that Special Operations world. 228 00:16:36,704 --> 00:16:40,457 Because it is a culture. 229 00:16:42,085 --> 00:16:45,337 The first time the family got a sense that we were being lied to... 230 00:16:45,505 --> 00:16:48,256 ...was when we started looking at the documents. 231 00:16:48,424 --> 00:16:50,717 They gave her the papers, but what they did was... 232 00:16:50,885 --> 00:16:54,012 ...I think, they tried to drown her, you know. 233 00:16:54,180 --> 00:16:58,725 They wanted to give her so much that, you know, no normal human being... 234 00:16:58,893 --> 00:17:03,855 ...would dig through all this paperwork and try to make sense out of it. 235 00:17:06,192 --> 00:17:09,403 The Army handed over transcripts of every interview they conducted... 236 00:17:09,570 --> 00:17:12,864 ...with Pat's platoon and their commanding officers. 237 00:17:13,032 --> 00:17:15,242 There were also radio-communications logs... 238 00:17:15,410 --> 00:17:19,663 ...field-hospital reports, terrain maps, an autopsy... 239 00:17:19,831 --> 00:17:23,083 ...and a detailed study of the light conditions that day. 240 00:17:23,251 --> 00:17:28,046 In all, it totaled over 3,000 pages of material on Pat's death. 241 00:17:28,214 --> 00:17:31,258 But it's redacted. 242 00:17:31,426 --> 00:17:37,848 Every single name, half the actions, any references to places. 243 00:17:38,516 --> 00:17:41,560 You have to go this sort of painstaking reconstruction. 244 00:17:41,728 --> 00:17:44,855 It's like doing a very difficult crossword puzzle. 245 00:17:45,022 --> 00:17:48,400 You keep running around looking for just one word you can fit in there... 246 00:17:48,568 --> 00:17:51,445 ...and then you can sort of lock all the other stuff into it. 247 00:17:56,534 --> 00:17:58,618 We tried to look at what was being said... 248 00:17:58,786 --> 00:18:00,620 ...and then we'd try to piece together-- 249 00:18:00,788 --> 00:18:03,457 Okay, if they're saying this, then who might that be? 250 00:18:03,624 --> 00:18:05,459 We would take a redacted name... 251 00:18:05,626 --> 00:18:08,670 ...and we'd try to count the number of spaces that were in there... 252 00:18:08,838 --> 00:18:11,965 ...to try to figure out whose last name was in there. 253 00:18:13,217 --> 00:18:16,970 And, of course, by going over the same thing again and again... 254 00:18:17,138 --> 00:18:18,764 ...with some names plugged in... 255 00:18:18,931 --> 00:18:22,100 ...we started to become familiar with aspects of it. 256 00:18:23,978 --> 00:18:27,773 I wanna make this very clear, when we initially heard of this fratricide... 257 00:18:27,940 --> 00:18:31,693 ...and the fact that these soldiers in this vehicle had killed Pat... 258 00:18:31,861 --> 00:18:35,572 ...we felt very bad for them, to have to live with this. 259 00:18:35,740 --> 00:18:37,949 We thought it was just some horrible accident. 260 00:18:38,117 --> 00:18:41,745 You know, they were in a fog of war and they were frightened... 261 00:18:41,913 --> 00:18:45,749 ...and it was too dark to see. But you're reading things in the documents... 262 00:18:45,917 --> 00:18:47,459 ...that make you very suspicious. 263 00:18:52,673 --> 00:18:55,467 The more that we heard about the situation... 264 00:18:56,093 --> 00:18:58,553 ...it seemed much more like gross negligence. 265 00:19:06,729 --> 00:19:08,188 They asked one of the soldiers: 266 00:19:08,356 --> 00:19:10,273 "Did you positively identify your target?" 267 00:19:10,441 --> 00:19:12,859 He said, "I don't know. I thought everybody else did. 268 00:19:13,027 --> 00:19:14,736 I just wanted to be in a firefight." 269 00:19:14,904 --> 00:19:17,030 That doesn't sound like someone who's afraid. 270 00:19:17,198 --> 00:19:21,326 That sounds like someone who simply wants to shoot at something. 271 00:19:33,214 --> 00:19:37,175 There's a sense that we can't discover meaning... 272 00:19:37,343 --> 00:19:41,304 ...we can't discover who we are, we have no real sense of identity... 273 00:19:41,472 --> 00:19:45,392 ...until that's tested somehow. 274 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:50,105 Let's test it against something that's real, let's test it in a context... 275 00:19:50,273 --> 00:19:56,903 ...where life and death are real coexisting possibilities. 276 00:20:01,075 --> 00:20:05,453 All young infantrymen will say, "I wanna be in a firefight." 277 00:20:06,414 --> 00:20:09,541 That's what makes them feel like they're fully fledged. 278 00:20:09,709 --> 00:20:13,712 You know, they can say, "Well, I've actually experienced combat." 279 00:20:24,932 --> 00:20:26,683 What is up? 280 00:20:27,727 --> 00:20:29,269 What's up? 281 00:20:30,021 --> 00:20:32,856 I went in for all the selfish reasons. 282 00:20:33,024 --> 00:20:36,276 I didn't go in because I was patriotic and wanted to serve my country. 283 00:20:36,444 --> 00:20:38,778 I wanted to serve myself. 284 00:20:39,614 --> 00:20:41,364 I wanted to get some money for college. 285 00:20:41,532 --> 00:20:44,326 I wanted to learn to be more self-sufficient. 286 00:20:44,493 --> 00:20:49,873 I wanted to blow things up and shoot guns, you know. 287 00:20:51,751 --> 00:20:55,003 I got to Ranger battalion September 10th. 288 00:20:55,171 --> 00:20:58,882 And, literally, when I got there and woke up the next morning... 289 00:20:59,050 --> 00:21:01,718 ...I got thrown out of my bed and I thought it was a joke. 290 00:21:01,886 --> 00:21:03,929 You know, new guy, big joke. 291 00:21:04,096 --> 00:21:06,681 And when I saw the planes hit the towers... 292 00:21:06,849 --> 00:21:09,184 ...you know, during breakfast, it was like: 293 00:21:09,352 --> 00:21:11,478 "I'm gonna fucking die." 294 00:21:11,938 --> 00:21:15,273 It was about 10 minutes later, there was people yelling and standing up. 295 00:21:17,652 --> 00:21:19,861 They were pumped because we was gonna go to war. 296 00:21:20,029 --> 00:21:22,322 They knew we was gonna go to war at that point. 297 00:21:23,658 --> 00:21:25,575 Sound off. 298 00:21:26,535 --> 00:21:29,287 You don't wanna see it happen, but at the same time... 299 00:21:29,455 --> 00:21:31,206 ...that's what you've been working for. 300 00:21:31,374 --> 00:21:33,917 And whenever that comes down, you want a chance to say: 301 00:21:34,085 --> 00:21:35,251 "Hey, I can handle this" 302 00:21:35,419 --> 00:21:38,672 Airborne Rangers, motherfucker! 303 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,257 Go! 304 00:21:41,676 --> 00:21:44,886 You know, we're supposed to believe that soldiers' motives are pure... 305 00:21:45,054 --> 00:21:48,348 ...that they go into these situations reluctantly. 306 00:21:48,516 --> 00:21:52,560 It's an imposition of a level of wisdom and maturity on soldiers... 307 00:21:52,728 --> 00:21:58,441 ...that doesn't apply to 19 year olds anywhere, ever. 308 00:21:58,609 --> 00:22:00,527 I ain't fucking out, dude. 309 00:22:00,695 --> 00:22:06,866 A 19-year-old kid is far less interested in displaying wisdom... 310 00:22:07,034 --> 00:22:11,454 ...than they are in, like, giving some sort of a practical demonstration... 311 00:22:11,622 --> 00:22:14,749 ...of their masculinity, you know what I mean? 312 00:22:16,335 --> 00:22:21,131 The atmosphere in a military unit like that, is a locker-room atmosphere. 313 00:22:21,298 --> 00:22:22,841 Tapping. 314 00:22:24,260 --> 00:22:25,927 Fucker. 315 00:22:26,429 --> 00:22:29,389 It's not philosophical. 316 00:22:30,891 --> 00:22:35,395 - I turn my back on you. - Get that fucking camera out of here. 317 00:22:48,492 --> 00:22:51,953 I expected Pat to be kind of like, you know, in a general sense... 318 00:22:52,121 --> 00:22:55,248 ...the general depiction of, like, your jock, your meathead. 319 00:22:55,416 --> 00:22:57,083 Not very intelligent. 320 00:22:57,251 --> 00:23:01,713 Kind of like the guys I knew in high school. They were just... 321 00:23:03,174 --> 00:23:04,215 ...jerks. 322 00:23:06,719 --> 00:23:09,262 Arrogant, you know, full of himself. 323 00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:12,807 Why the hell is somebody leaving an NFL contract... 324 00:23:12,975 --> 00:23:16,561 ...to come to this shit hole and deal with this kind of nonsense? 325 00:23:17,438 --> 00:23:20,815 There was just kind of a low mumble... 326 00:23:20,983 --> 00:23:25,862 ...that he really was looking to become a political leader. 327 00:23:26,947 --> 00:23:30,784 A lot of people thought he just didn't have a good head on his shoulders. 328 00:23:30,951 --> 00:23:34,954 He wanted to kind of do the macho, red-blooded American, patriotic thing. 329 00:23:36,582 --> 00:23:40,043 He was an ex-football player, he was used to getting millions of dollars... 330 00:23:40,628 --> 00:23:44,923 ...and he was used to pretty much having it his way. 331 00:23:45,966 --> 00:23:47,884 He was a private... 332 00:23:48,636 --> 00:23:53,139 ...which in Ranger mentality, it means that you're on the same level as dirt. 333 00:23:55,810 --> 00:24:01,106 There was a time where I did have to take corrective action against Pat... 334 00:24:01,273 --> 00:24:08,029 ...for, basically, coming unglued on me for an order that he was given. 335 00:24:09,115 --> 00:24:11,157 That's just the way that the military goes. 336 00:24:11,325 --> 00:24:13,493 You get orders, sometimes you don't like them. 337 00:24:13,661 --> 00:24:16,704 You don't have the option of saying: 338 00:24:16,872 --> 00:24:18,998 "I don't like this. Let's do this another way." 339 00:24:19,166 --> 00:24:24,963 Or in his case, saying, "This is completely fucking stupid." 340 00:24:25,131 --> 00:24:28,091 Pat had something, you know, that I wanted. 341 00:24:28,259 --> 00:24:33,012 You know, there was something that Pat knew and just got... 342 00:24:33,180 --> 00:24:36,141 ...that I needed, that I wanted. 343 00:24:38,644 --> 00:24:41,980 I went in looking for that one thing that I couldn't put my finger on... 344 00:24:42,148 --> 00:24:45,859 ...that was going to help me to accomplish everything I wanted to do... 345 00:24:46,026 --> 00:24:48,820 ...and Pat had that something. 346 00:24:49,405 --> 00:24:52,699 He wasn't at all what I expected to find. 347 00:24:52,867 --> 00:24:55,493 He didn't seem like this tough knucklehead guy. 348 00:24:55,661 --> 00:24:59,038 You know, he was interested in Emerson, in Chomsky... 349 00:24:59,206 --> 00:25:03,001 ...and he just seemed very, just, open. 350 00:25:03,294 --> 00:25:06,880 It didn't matter who you were, where you were from, what you were into... 351 00:25:07,047 --> 00:25:10,049 ...Pat always wanted to find out what you were about. 352 00:25:10,885 --> 00:25:13,887 And he would ask a million questions. 353 00:25:14,555 --> 00:25:17,599 I walked in on him one time and he was reading the Book of Mormon. 354 00:25:19,727 --> 00:25:22,437 And, you know, it really hit me because I am Mormon. 355 00:25:22,605 --> 00:25:26,107 So I asked him, "Hey, you know, you have any questions... 356 00:25:26,275 --> 00:25:27,734 ...please feel free to ask. 357 00:25:27,902 --> 00:25:30,653 I'll explain whatever I can to you as best as I can. 358 00:25:30,821 --> 00:25:36,075 I knew that he wasn't religious, but he told me that he respected all religions. 359 00:25:36,660 --> 00:25:41,831 Bryan O'Neal was kind of a small guy, a very nervous guy. 360 00:25:41,999 --> 00:25:44,375 I wasn't real impressed. 361 00:25:44,543 --> 00:25:47,295 I think he was really looking for a place to fit in... 362 00:25:47,463 --> 00:25:49,214 ...looking for more family... 363 00:25:49,381 --> 00:25:52,258 ...looking for something that was a little bit of a closer tie. 364 00:25:52,426 --> 00:25:55,553 I was kind of terrified going there because, you know... 365 00:25:55,721 --> 00:26:00,558 ...the rumors of hazing and tricks that the senior guys play on the new guys. 366 00:26:01,977 --> 00:26:04,395 Pat was different from everyone else in the platoon. 367 00:26:04,563 --> 00:26:08,358 He didn't ever, you know, treat me like I was lower than him. 368 00:26:08,525 --> 00:26:13,529 I think the only time, you know, that I upset Pat... 369 00:26:13,697 --> 00:26:17,492 ...is he asked me to, you know, prep some ChemLights... 370 00:26:17,660 --> 00:26:19,619 ...for an objective we had the next day... 371 00:26:19,787 --> 00:26:22,205 ...and I forgot, you know, I was doing other things. 372 00:26:22,373 --> 00:26:24,916 And he basically let me know that I disappointed him... 373 00:26:25,084 --> 00:26:27,293 ...that I didn't do what he wanted me to do. 374 00:26:27,461 --> 00:26:29,921 And that really, you know-- 375 00:26:30,089 --> 00:26:32,131 I wish he would've taken me in the hallway... 376 00:26:32,299 --> 00:26:35,802 ...and smoked me up and down, and, you know, treated me horribly... 377 00:26:35,970 --> 00:26:37,345 ...you know, called me stupid. 378 00:26:37,513 --> 00:26:41,975 But him telling me that I disappointed him, it really upset me, you know. 379 00:26:42,142 --> 00:26:44,185 I decided I was never gonna do that again... 380 00:26:44,353 --> 00:26:48,147 ...because he was such a great guy I didn't wanna let him down. 381 00:26:48,315 --> 00:26:51,651 When Bryan came in, Pat kind of picked him up. 382 00:26:53,070 --> 00:26:57,949 He just put an arm around him and scooped him up the best he could. 383 00:26:59,034 --> 00:27:02,370 Everyone was actually envious that he was my team leader... 384 00:27:02,538 --> 00:27:07,333 ...that little scrawny me would be working with this huge football player. 385 00:27:07,835 --> 00:27:11,296 I blamed myself for quite some time that maybe... 386 00:27:11,463 --> 00:27:14,966 ...you know, Pat's not in a place where he should be... 387 00:27:15,134 --> 00:27:18,177 ...because I didn't put forth more effort. 388 00:27:18,345 --> 00:27:21,848 And, you know, it's something I still think about today. 389 00:27:22,016 --> 00:27:25,643 You know, that because of my lack of faith... 390 00:27:25,811 --> 00:27:28,980 ...you know, he may be suffering for it. 391 00:27:37,865 --> 00:27:39,574 For all those who are here tonight... 392 00:27:39,742 --> 00:27:42,535 ...we honor the memory and accomplishments of Pat Tillman... 393 00:27:42,703 --> 00:27:48,833 ...by permanently retiring his number 42 ASU football jersey. 394 00:27:50,669 --> 00:27:53,838 Arizona was always very good to Pat... 395 00:27:54,006 --> 00:27:58,468 ...but it's very hard when you're put out there kind of on display. 396 00:28:02,431 --> 00:28:07,018 The public grieving is not something that I can do. 397 00:28:07,186 --> 00:28:09,562 I don't wanna do it. 398 00:28:10,064 --> 00:28:12,857 It's an awkward spot. 399 00:28:13,233 --> 00:28:17,445 The issue at the time was trying to figure out what had happened to Pat. 400 00:28:18,197 --> 00:28:23,576 It was, you know, sort of a difficult situation... 401 00:28:23,744 --> 00:28:28,164 ...because it was a very private thing that happened... 402 00:28:28,332 --> 00:28:33,252 ...that was then being played out in the public. 403 00:28:38,217 --> 00:28:43,554 And so I had this sense of sort of wanting to hold on to what I could. 404 00:28:46,433 --> 00:28:50,061 Even at that point, he was totally getting lost. 405 00:28:51,814 --> 00:28:56,526 Pat, who he was as a person, was lost in the conversation. 406 00:28:56,693 --> 00:28:58,694 --what you did with Pat Tillman-- 407 00:28:58,862 --> 00:29:02,198 Oh, there we go, typical Republican personal attack. 408 00:29:02,366 --> 00:29:04,951 - Can't stick to the issues-- - Let me finish the point. 409 00:29:05,119 --> 00:29:06,911 Pat Tillman was a Noam Chomsky fan... 410 00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:09,872 ...was gonna vote for John Kerry, was against the war in Iraq. 411 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,417 - I don't believe it. - I don't believe it either. 412 00:29:12,584 --> 00:29:15,294 He signed up because of his desire to fight. 413 00:29:15,462 --> 00:29:18,297 They would take parts of who he was... 414 00:29:18,465 --> 00:29:22,635 ...and magnify those to suit their purposes. 415 00:29:25,639 --> 00:29:30,560 I was trying to figure out how to live without him. 416 00:29:32,062 --> 00:29:34,730 You feel like your world has stopped... 417 00:29:34,898 --> 00:29:39,485 ...and yet, everything goes on like normal. 418 00:29:50,205 --> 00:29:55,126 It started pretty much overnight after Pat was killed. 419 00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:58,880 The day after he was killed, there were cameras on my front lawn... 420 00:29:59,047 --> 00:30:00,506 ...which was bizarre. 421 00:30:00,674 --> 00:30:04,260 I mean, I was not expecting anything like that at all. 422 00:30:04,428 --> 00:30:07,388 He lived here in University Place with his wife. 423 00:30:07,556 --> 00:30:10,808 I remember my mom was always going around closing the blinds. 424 00:30:10,976 --> 00:30:14,395 Today three men from Fort Lewis walk slowly to the house... 425 00:30:14,563 --> 00:30:17,440 ...to tell his wife, Marie, they care. 426 00:30:17,608 --> 00:30:21,277 Staff Sergeant David High, a Ranger, tried unsuccessfully... 427 00:30:21,445 --> 00:30:25,239 ...to express his feelings, choked up, and walked away. 428 00:30:25,407 --> 00:30:27,366 No, that's not good. Sorry. 429 00:30:27,534 --> 00:30:32,330 But the newsmen camped out on Marie's lawn had the story wrong. 430 00:30:32,581 --> 00:30:36,375 In fact, the casualty-assistance officers were there to compel Marie... 431 00:30:36,543 --> 00:30:39,712 ...to sign off on a funeral at Arlington National Cemetery... 432 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,757 ...with full military honors. 433 00:30:43,383 --> 00:30:48,429 They were sort of pushing for a military funeral... 434 00:30:49,056 --> 00:30:52,058 ...which was not what his wishes were. 435 00:30:53,477 --> 00:30:56,145 During basic training, Pat had a premonition... 436 00:30:56,313 --> 00:31:00,691 ...that if he died, he might be used as a public-relations' stunt. 437 00:31:00,859 --> 00:31:04,737 So he'd smuggled a copy of his final wishes home to Marie. 438 00:31:04,905 --> 00:31:07,573 I really had to kind of push back on them. 439 00:31:10,244 --> 00:31:13,746 They were proceeding as if this was the way things were gonna happen. 440 00:31:13,914 --> 00:31:16,916 Probably thinking that, you know, I was so grief-stricken... 441 00:31:17,084 --> 00:31:19,835 ...that I would just go along with it. 442 00:31:20,003 --> 00:31:22,421 My mission here is to support the family... 443 00:31:22,589 --> 00:31:27,093 ...and help them through the process, and make it easier for her. 444 00:31:29,096 --> 00:31:32,098 That's the first episode, in a way. 445 00:31:32,933 --> 00:31:36,185 Before Pat's body is even cold. 446 00:31:36,895 --> 00:31:39,939 The death didn't just belong to the family. 447 00:31:40,107 --> 00:31:41,941 This was bigger than the family. 448 00:31:45,696 --> 00:31:47,905 "This is ours," you know. 449 00:31:51,326 --> 00:31:53,578 It's ours to interpret. 450 00:31:57,874 --> 00:32:00,751 And you will see him again when a loving God reunites us all... 451 00:32:00,919 --> 00:32:04,463 ...with the loved ones who preceded us in death. 452 00:32:04,631 --> 00:32:06,632 The contrast of the memorial service... 453 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,969 ...should have hit a warning shot to the military. 454 00:32:10,137 --> 00:32:13,472 You got people out there speaking in these glittering generalities. 455 00:32:13,890 --> 00:32:17,852 Pat, your family doesn't have to worry anymore. 456 00:32:18,020 --> 00:32:22,815 You are home, you are safe, and you will not be forgotten. 457 00:32:23,817 --> 00:32:26,819 And then you've got his brother coming up there. 458 00:32:27,154 --> 00:32:32,825 Somebody who's willing to speak the brutality of that reality for them. 459 00:32:33,327 --> 00:32:37,663 He was always giving gifts. Thanks, Pat. 460 00:32:40,709 --> 00:32:43,753 I didn't write shit because I'm not a writer. 461 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,964 And I just want to say, it was-- 462 00:32:47,174 --> 00:32:49,675 There's a lot of people here, thanks. 463 00:32:50,260 --> 00:32:53,846 It was really amazing to be his little baby brother. 464 00:32:57,809 --> 00:33:01,520 Yeah, I'm not just gonna sit up here and break down on you, but.... 465 00:33:02,022 --> 00:33:05,608 Thank you for coming. Pat's a fucking champion... 466 00:33:06,526 --> 00:33:08,527 ...and always will be. 467 00:33:09,529 --> 00:33:11,697 Just make no mistake, he'd want me to say this. 468 00:33:11,865 --> 00:33:14,992 He's not with God, he's fucking dead. He's not religious, so.... 469 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,329 Thanks for your thoughts, but he's fucking dead. 470 00:33:22,417 --> 00:33:25,169 I don't regret any of that. 471 00:33:25,337 --> 00:33:27,296 You know, as far as what I was thinking... 472 00:33:27,464 --> 00:33:29,590 ...I was just simply miserable, you know. 473 00:33:29,758 --> 00:33:33,260 I was, you know-- I was sad for my whole my family. 474 00:33:33,428 --> 00:33:35,680 I was sad for my mom, my dad, Marie, Kevin. 475 00:33:37,933 --> 00:33:41,060 This isn't a production. It's my brother's service. 476 00:33:42,396 --> 00:33:47,066 I didn't plan on saying that, it just.... 477 00:33:47,984 --> 00:33:51,362 He's not what these people wished he was. 478 00:33:53,490 --> 00:33:55,199 Everyone grabbed at Pat's death. 479 00:33:55,701 --> 00:33:59,829 Not necessarily just the military, everybody grabbed at him. 480 00:34:00,497 --> 00:34:04,250 They just chose the wrong family to try to do it in front of. 481 00:34:11,675 --> 00:34:14,677 Not to say that we always did the right thing in this house... 482 00:34:14,845 --> 00:34:16,262 ...we made lots of mistakes... 483 00:34:16,430 --> 00:34:21,225 ...but I think that we did make an attempt to tell the truth. 484 00:34:21,768 --> 00:34:23,936 You know, sometimes you have to work at that. 485 00:34:26,356 --> 00:34:30,818 In 1976, Patrick and Dannie Tillman moved to New Almaden... 486 00:34:30,986 --> 00:34:34,113 ...a two-road town near San Jose, California... 487 00:34:34,281 --> 00:34:38,284 ...where he practiced law and she worked as a teacher. 488 00:34:39,453 --> 00:34:42,705 Part of the reason for living out in New Almaden... 489 00:34:42,873 --> 00:34:47,168 ...was a deliberate decision... 490 00:34:47,586 --> 00:34:50,463 ...to set a better environment for the kids. 491 00:34:51,131 --> 00:34:54,967 We discouraged watching TV. 492 00:34:55,260 --> 00:34:57,219 We did the same thing with the telephone. 493 00:34:57,387 --> 00:35:00,681 We had one telephone and it was right in the middle of the house. 494 00:35:00,849 --> 00:35:02,558 If you wanted to talk to somebody... 495 00:35:02,726 --> 00:35:05,811 ...then you'd talk right in front of everybody else. 496 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,149 So it wasn't like we isolated them, it's just there were certain priorities... 497 00:35:10,317 --> 00:35:15,446 ...and it wasn't that difficult to deprive them for their own good. 498 00:35:17,783 --> 00:35:21,827 You know, we did grow up together. Pat and Kevin were so close in age... 499 00:35:21,995 --> 00:35:25,664 ...they were only 14 months apart, so they were together all the time. 500 00:35:25,832 --> 00:35:27,708 They would go to the creek, the mountains. 501 00:35:27,876 --> 00:35:30,669 I was exhausted by 7 because they were all over the place... 502 00:35:30,837 --> 00:35:33,380 ...and I just didn't have that kind of stamina. 503 00:35:33,548 --> 00:35:35,633 It was just our own little world. 504 00:35:35,801 --> 00:35:39,804 And we happened to have a very just and kind leader in Pat. 505 00:35:39,971 --> 00:35:43,307 And it pushed Kevin and myself to do things... 506 00:35:43,475 --> 00:35:46,852 ...that, you know, we probably wouldn't have normally done. 507 00:35:47,521 --> 00:35:49,814 The boys had that colorful language. 508 00:35:52,943 --> 00:35:54,485 It just was the way they talked. 509 00:35:55,195 --> 00:35:59,198 Well, the F-word is one of their more popular words... 510 00:35:59,366 --> 00:36:02,368 ...and they can use it as an adjective, a verb, a noun. 511 00:36:02,536 --> 00:36:06,831 They can, you know-- And then other parts of speech that we don't know. 512 00:36:07,374 --> 00:36:09,625 Yeah, that's true. 513 00:36:09,793 --> 00:36:13,045 They kind of-- They swear a lot. 514 00:36:13,213 --> 00:36:15,339 Did you have rules in the house about cussing? 515 00:36:15,507 --> 00:36:16,841 Evidently not. 516 00:36:17,008 --> 00:36:19,718 I never met Pat, so the only way that I know Pat Tillman... 517 00:36:19,886 --> 00:36:22,930 ...is through what I've heard from his family. 518 00:36:23,098 --> 00:36:27,935 Pat was a pretty typical kid, but then he also had this gift. 519 00:36:28,854 --> 00:36:30,354 You know, he had this gift. 520 00:36:30,522 --> 00:36:34,692 He was a comparatively little guy that could just really run fast... 521 00:36:34,860 --> 00:36:37,695 ...and knock the shit out of people. 522 00:36:40,490 --> 00:36:43,868 We first noticed Pat Tillman when he scored the game-winning touchdown... 523 00:36:44,035 --> 00:36:48,038 ...against Independence last season, then did a flip in full pads. 524 00:36:48,206 --> 00:36:49,373 Made it up, I don't know. 525 00:36:49,541 --> 00:36:52,084 Came to me right about the time I did it. I don't know. 526 00:36:52,252 --> 00:36:56,714 He was very low-key about getting the compliments and the accolades. 527 00:36:57,048 --> 00:36:58,299 It kind of embarrassed him. 528 00:36:58,466 --> 00:37:00,426 You're always so modest when I talk to you. 529 00:37:00,594 --> 00:37:02,469 This time, take some credit for yourself. 530 00:37:02,637 --> 00:37:04,138 You're not gonna do it, are you? 531 00:37:04,306 --> 00:37:08,100 I had a big line and a great offensive coordinator. 532 00:37:08,268 --> 00:37:10,394 I don't know where he is, but well-coached. 533 00:37:10,562 --> 00:37:12,062 He wasn't much of a showman. 534 00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:13,814 - Give him the plaque. - Here you go. 535 00:37:13,982 --> 00:37:17,568 He enjoyed the game. He enjoyed all the games that he played. 536 00:37:27,454 --> 00:37:29,788 He liked climbing things. 537 00:37:29,956 --> 00:37:31,624 He liked jumping off of things. 538 00:37:35,712 --> 00:37:39,924 He liked taking risks, yeah. Yeah, he was big on risks. 539 00:37:40,091 --> 00:37:43,802 He challenged himself that way. He wouldn't let me see any of that. 540 00:37:43,970 --> 00:37:46,805 If you're gonna do that kind of stuff, do it behind my back. 541 00:37:53,980 --> 00:37:57,483 Pat was given a football scholarship to Arizona State University... 542 00:37:57,651 --> 00:37:59,777 ...where he became an academic All-American... 543 00:37:59,945 --> 00:38:01,820 ...with a 3.8 grade point average. 544 00:38:01,988 --> 00:38:04,490 We never lose at home. We kicked the shit out of them. 545 00:38:04,658 --> 00:38:07,660 His square-jawed intensity and long-haired California cool... 546 00:38:07,827 --> 00:38:09,662 ...soon made him a local celebrity. 547 00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:11,830 I want you to talk about Patton... 548 00:38:11,998 --> 00:38:14,792 ...military leaders that you kind of tap into... 549 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,087 ...for your own, I guess, abilities on a football field. 550 00:38:18,254 --> 00:38:21,548 You know, Patton's a cool guy. I like his stuff. 551 00:38:21,716 --> 00:38:26,387 He made some comment one time, something to the effect of: 552 00:38:26,554 --> 00:38:28,806 "No one ever won a war dying for their country. 553 00:38:28,974 --> 00:38:31,100 Let the other son of a bitch die for his." 554 00:38:31,267 --> 00:38:34,603 It's things like that, it's guys like that, guys where their attitude-- 555 00:38:34,771 --> 00:38:36,105 They're a little bit crazy... 556 00:38:36,272 --> 00:38:39,191 ...but it's that craziness that propels them to greatness. 557 00:38:40,694 --> 00:38:45,072 The throw. Shoots it over the middle. And, whoa, what a hit. 558 00:38:45,490 --> 00:38:48,701 Pat Tillman knocked the helmet off of Isaac Byrd. 559 00:38:48,868 --> 00:38:50,828 - That was scary. - Oh, my. 560 00:38:50,996 --> 00:38:53,414 Because he was considered small, at 5'11"... 561 00:38:53,581 --> 00:38:55,874 ...Pat was never expected to make it in NFL. 562 00:38:56,710 --> 00:39:01,422 But from his very first training camp, he set the tone for his career. 563 00:39:06,803 --> 00:39:09,722 I mean, they are gonna be fights in training camp. 564 00:39:11,433 --> 00:39:13,142 I got Pitt and Pat Tillman together. 565 00:39:13,309 --> 00:39:15,728 Those two are important to me. There was no problem. 566 00:39:15,895 --> 00:39:18,564 You know, 9:00 in the morning, get your ass knocked off... 567 00:39:18,732 --> 00:39:20,733 ...I might be mad too. 568 00:39:23,069 --> 00:39:26,655 He would hit you as hard as he possibly could. 569 00:39:29,993 --> 00:39:32,870 Never even looked at Pat Tillman. Never even thought-- 570 00:39:33,038 --> 00:39:37,249 That's a perfect job for Pat Tillman because he's a little bit free of spirit. 571 00:39:37,417 --> 00:39:40,586 To his new teammates, Pat was a bit of an oddball. 572 00:39:40,754 --> 00:39:42,629 He didn't own a cell phone or a car... 573 00:39:42,797 --> 00:39:45,716 ...and would leave his beach cruiser in the team parking lot... 574 00:39:45,884 --> 00:39:48,302 ...among the Escalades and BMWs. 575 00:39:48,678 --> 00:39:52,347 But to fans, Pat was a rare example of a public figure... 576 00:39:52,515 --> 00:39:55,434 ...who wasn't afraid to speak his mind. 577 00:39:55,685 --> 00:39:58,604 Why should the fans think this year's gonna be any different? 578 00:39:58,772 --> 00:40:00,564 You know what? They shouldn't. 579 00:40:00,732 --> 00:40:04,109 We haven't done anything at this point to prove that we're not-- 580 00:40:04,277 --> 00:40:07,863 We didn't have a good year last year, and that's the only thing that matters. 581 00:40:08,031 --> 00:40:09,948 We need to go out and start winning games. 582 00:40:10,116 --> 00:40:13,118 When we start winning games, the fans will come out and watch us. 583 00:40:13,286 --> 00:40:15,954 Until that happens, you know, I wouldn't come out either. 584 00:40:16,289 --> 00:40:19,291 The Cardinals win and they go to the playoffs. 585 00:40:19,459 --> 00:40:22,961 He liked the physicality of it, but I think he really liked that feeling... 586 00:40:23,129 --> 00:40:26,507 ...of being connected with the man next to you. 587 00:40:28,635 --> 00:40:31,929 I think he thrived on that feeling of unity. 588 00:40:38,812 --> 00:40:42,773 At the age of 25, four years into his NFL career... 589 00:40:42,941 --> 00:40:45,484 ...Pat married his high-school sweetheart. 590 00:40:47,070 --> 00:40:48,403 This is very special for me. 591 00:40:48,571 --> 00:40:52,074 It means a lot that my older brother is getting married-- 592 00:40:52,242 --> 00:40:56,036 Pat first crossed paths with Marie Ugenti at the age of 4... 593 00:40:56,204 --> 00:40:59,540 ...when they played in the same youth soccer league. 594 00:41:00,792 --> 00:41:03,752 She was his first and only girlfriend. 595 00:41:05,046 --> 00:41:07,548 And even though they would go to different colleges... 596 00:41:07,715 --> 00:41:10,175 ...and he would become a high-profile athlete... 597 00:41:10,343 --> 00:41:14,513 ...Pat remained faithful to Marie until the end of his life. 598 00:41:16,724 --> 00:41:20,310 As far as an older brother, you couldn't ask for anything more than him. 599 00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:26,358 I mean, he's lights out, he's fantastic. And to know that he's with Marie... 600 00:41:26,526 --> 00:41:30,487 ...the greatest girl in the whole world, it's just money, man. 601 00:41:30,655 --> 00:41:32,489 It's absolutely money for me. 602 00:41:32,657 --> 00:41:36,118 I don't know, I love it, dude. This is fucking awesome. 603 00:41:39,622 --> 00:41:43,000 To see Pat and Marie get married-- It was just an awesome day. 604 00:41:43,710 --> 00:41:45,210 I didn't realize that-- 605 00:41:45,378 --> 00:41:48,380 You know, what was known at that point, obviously. 606 00:41:48,548 --> 00:41:50,716 But it was.... 607 00:41:51,342 --> 00:41:55,220 I'm glad I didn't. I don't think I would have had as much fun, that's for sure. 608 00:41:58,433 --> 00:42:01,560 They made this decision, the three of them... 609 00:42:01,728 --> 00:42:05,480 ...Kevin and Pat and Marie. It was something they talked about. 610 00:42:05,648 --> 00:42:10,736 They kept it from us until after Pat and Marie were actually married. 611 00:42:11,154 --> 00:42:16,033 The boys, they called me on, actually, Mother's Day of 2002... 612 00:42:16,201 --> 00:42:20,078 ...and they told me that they were going to enlist. 613 00:42:22,373 --> 00:42:27,002 And Dannie was not happy about the whole thing. 614 00:42:28,796 --> 00:42:30,589 She made it known. 615 00:42:32,091 --> 00:42:36,762 Members of the family go back for generations serving. 616 00:42:36,930 --> 00:42:39,598 My father, my father-in-law... 617 00:42:39,766 --> 00:42:44,561 ...all my uncles, served in World War II or Korea. 618 00:42:45,063 --> 00:42:47,606 And, you know, I talked to the boys a lot... 619 00:42:47,774 --> 00:42:50,943 ...about, you know, the camaraderie of war. 620 00:42:51,945 --> 00:42:56,240 And I suppose it concerned me that I did talk too much about that. 621 00:42:56,407 --> 00:43:00,410 That it became more intriguing to them than it should've been. 622 00:43:02,121 --> 00:43:06,041 Some people thought that, you know, I could have talked him out of it... 623 00:43:06,209 --> 00:43:08,627 ...or asked him not to do it. 624 00:43:09,420 --> 00:43:14,841 But that was just never something I would've done. 625 00:43:15,927 --> 00:43:20,973 Somehow or another, Dannie had a lot more foresight than I did... 626 00:43:21,140 --> 00:43:24,351 ...because it dawned on her right then and there... 627 00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:27,729 ...that she cannot deal with losing one of her sons. 628 00:43:30,900 --> 00:43:32,776 My comment at the time was: 629 00:43:32,944 --> 00:43:37,823 "Could you imagine someone seeing Pat and Kevin coming after them? 630 00:43:37,991 --> 00:43:40,617 I feel bad for those people." 631 00:43:41,244 --> 00:43:45,289 So that was a bad call on my part. 632 00:43:56,551 --> 00:44:00,262 We'll never know exactly why Pat Tillman enlisted. 633 00:44:00,430 --> 00:44:04,683 He made a deliberate choice not to make it a public matter. 634 00:44:06,352 --> 00:44:09,354 But after he died, an interview surfaced. 635 00:44:09,522 --> 00:44:12,482 Even as athletes, we bitch and moan every now and again... 636 00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:15,694 ...about this or that, and if we ever just, you know-- 637 00:44:15,862 --> 00:44:18,280 Times like this, you stop and think about just how-- 638 00:44:18,448 --> 00:44:22,242 Not only how good we have it, but what kind of a system we live under... 639 00:44:22,410 --> 00:44:26,204 ...what freedoms we're allowed, and that wasn't built overnight. 640 00:44:26,372 --> 00:44:27,873 And it's kind of-- 641 00:44:28,041 --> 00:44:30,834 The flag is a symbol of all that, the symbol of-- 642 00:44:31,002 --> 00:44:33,086 You know, you just don't think about it-- 643 00:44:33,254 --> 00:44:36,840 On the day after 9/11, the Cardinals had conducted team interviews... 644 00:44:37,008 --> 00:44:39,051 ...so players could comment on the country... 645 00:44:39,218 --> 00:44:41,053 ...in the wake of the terrorist attacks. 646 00:44:41,471 --> 00:44:43,513 My great-grandfather was at Pearl Harbor... 647 00:44:43,681 --> 00:44:46,975 ...and a lot of my family has given up-- Has gone and fought in wars. 648 00:44:47,143 --> 00:44:49,061 And I really haven't done a damn thing... 649 00:44:49,228 --> 00:44:51,480 ...as far as laying myself on the line like that. 650 00:44:51,647 --> 00:44:54,149 So I have a great deal of respect for those that have. 651 00:44:54,317 --> 00:44:56,610 And what the flag stands for. 652 00:44:58,071 --> 00:45:00,405 The interview became known as Pat's explanation... 653 00:45:00,573 --> 00:45:03,950 ...for why he dropped everything and joined the Army... 654 00:45:04,327 --> 00:45:06,912 ...even though he wouldn't actually make his decision... 655 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,997 ...for another six months. 656 00:45:09,916 --> 00:45:12,959 It would be used to violate his only request... 657 00:45:13,127 --> 00:45:17,089 ...that his motivation for enlisting be kept private. 658 00:45:19,759 --> 00:45:22,427 Pat Tillman had everything to live for. 659 00:45:22,595 --> 00:45:25,263 All that was missing was a true sense of purpose. 660 00:45:25,848 --> 00:45:29,393 He said he found that on September 11th, 2001. 661 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,436 Former safety for the Arizona Cardinals... 662 00:45:31,604 --> 00:45:34,272 ...gave up a multimillion-dollar pro-football deal... 663 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,274 ...the day after September 11th. 664 00:45:36,442 --> 00:45:37,943 Tillman explained his decision-- 665 00:45:38,111 --> 00:45:40,278 This is what he said the day after the attacks-- 666 00:45:40,446 --> 00:45:42,197 Here's how he explained his decision-- 667 00:45:42,365 --> 00:45:45,033 "To make right," he said, "what 9/11 had made so wrong." 668 00:45:57,797 --> 00:46:00,090 He was a human being... 669 00:46:00,258 --> 00:46:03,176 ...and by putting this kind of heroic, saintly quality to him... 670 00:46:03,344 --> 00:46:06,638 ...you're taking away the struggle of being a human being. 671 00:46:09,642 --> 00:46:12,227 I mean, he had to make choices, just like we all do. 672 00:46:12,395 --> 00:46:15,981 And he tried to make the right choices. 673 00:46:16,315 --> 00:46:20,652 When he didn't make the right choice, he was the first person to tell you. 674 00:46:45,136 --> 00:46:49,097 The military was not what Pat expected it to be. 675 00:46:49,765 --> 00:46:52,684 He thought, just like the majority of people in this country... 676 00:46:52,852 --> 00:46:56,354 ...that going into Afghanistan was the right thing to do. 677 00:46:57,064 --> 00:46:58,982 And then, of course, once they enlisted... 678 00:46:59,150 --> 00:47:02,194 ...the talks started veering towards going into Iraq. 679 00:47:02,361 --> 00:47:07,115 And when they were over there, he didn't like what he saw. 680 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:15,207 In February 2003, Pat and Kevin were deployed to Iraq. 681 00:47:16,542 --> 00:47:19,044 One month later, the Rangers were ordered... 682 00:47:19,212 --> 00:47:22,714 ...to provide perimeter support for the rescue of Jessica Lynch... 683 00:47:22,882 --> 00:47:25,634 ...a supply clerk who had reportedly engaged the enemy... 684 00:47:25,801 --> 00:47:28,929 ...in a fierce firefight before being taken prisoner. 685 00:47:29,096 --> 00:47:30,972 She showed true courage. 686 00:47:31,140 --> 00:47:33,225 She shot until she ran out of ammunition. 687 00:47:33,392 --> 00:47:35,352 She's alive, she's being tortured. 688 00:47:37,063 --> 00:47:39,064 Despite the apparent urgency... 689 00:47:39,232 --> 00:47:43,527 ...the rescue of Jessica Lynch was inexplicably put on hold. 690 00:47:43,694 --> 00:47:46,488 Russell Baer waited out the delay on top of a bunker... 691 00:47:46,656 --> 00:47:49,241 ...with Pat and his brother Kevin. 692 00:47:49,784 --> 00:47:56,081 Just watching these bombs and these A-10's strafe the city. 693 00:47:57,959 --> 00:48:01,753 That was the first time I'd heard Pat in kind of like no-kidding opinion... 694 00:48:01,921 --> 00:48:03,713 ...on kind of what was going on there. 695 00:48:04,090 --> 00:48:06,841 He just said, "This war is just so fucking illegal." 696 00:48:07,009 --> 00:48:09,094 You know, just watching this scene unfold... 697 00:48:09,262 --> 00:48:11,388 ...you know, the city's being blown to shit. 698 00:48:11,556 --> 00:48:13,598 Come right, come right. 699 00:48:14,183 --> 00:48:17,185 Okay. I'm moving to cover our backs. 700 00:48:17,937 --> 00:48:20,397 - Okay. - This is oppressive. 701 00:48:21,107 --> 00:48:23,775 Hold it there, please. 702 00:48:24,402 --> 00:48:27,529 It's pretty clear the Special Ops team could have essentially... 703 00:48:27,697 --> 00:48:30,699 ...walked into the hospital, picked her up and carried her out... 704 00:48:30,866 --> 00:48:33,577 ...and would've been cooperated with all along the way. 705 00:48:33,744 --> 00:48:35,787 It would come out later that Jessica Lynch... 706 00:48:35,955 --> 00:48:38,873 ...had neither fired her weapon nor been tortured... 707 00:48:39,041 --> 00:48:40,792 ...and that the inexplicable delay... 708 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,962 ...had been to enable a combat camera crew to record the mission. 709 00:48:44,130 --> 00:48:45,797 - Camera right here? - Can you smile? 710 00:48:45,965 --> 00:48:48,341 - Can you smile for the family? - For your folks? 711 00:48:48,509 --> 00:48:52,178 There you go. You're doing great, Jessica. You're doing wonderful. 712 00:48:52,346 --> 00:48:53,805 It was a film production. 713 00:48:53,973 --> 00:48:56,808 Jessica Lynch's rescue was a film production. 714 00:48:56,976 --> 00:48:59,978 We understand that there is video taken by a combat camera team. 715 00:49:00,146 --> 00:49:02,439 - Can you show us that video? - Do we have the tape? 716 00:49:03,524 --> 00:49:06,651 Some brave souls put their lives on the line to make this happen. 717 00:49:06,819 --> 00:49:09,154 Loyal to the creed that they know... 718 00:49:09,322 --> 00:49:11,573 ...that they'll never leave a fallen comrade... 719 00:49:11,741 --> 00:49:16,077 ...and never embarrass their country. With that, I'll take your questions. 720 00:49:16,245 --> 00:49:18,955 The media has been more than complicit. 721 00:49:19,123 --> 00:49:22,792 The military has just released new video this morning of the daring raid. 722 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,670 They wanna take all the complexities of a real situation... 723 00:49:25,838 --> 00:49:29,966 ...and reduce them into a comfortable fable. 724 00:49:30,134 --> 00:49:32,969 It was a mission one described as "a midnight ballet." 725 00:49:33,137 --> 00:49:35,013 One that's easy to sort of digest... 726 00:49:35,181 --> 00:49:37,891 ...and, you know, consists of good guys and bad guys... 727 00:49:38,059 --> 00:49:40,518 ...that are clearly recognizable from movies. 728 00:49:40,686 --> 00:49:42,437 Saving Private Lynch. 729 00:49:42,605 --> 00:49:46,858 Private First Class Jessica Lang, a 19-year-old U.S. Army soldier. 730 00:49:48,194 --> 00:49:50,195 I apologize. It's Jessica "Lynch." 731 00:49:55,034 --> 00:49:58,286 If you wanna get the public to cosign something... 732 00:49:58,454 --> 00:50:01,373 ...you gotta give them something that they're willing to cosign. 733 00:50:01,540 --> 00:50:03,708 It has to be turned into a morality play. 734 00:50:03,876 --> 00:50:06,252 - American hero. - American hero. 735 00:50:06,420 --> 00:50:08,463 I do not wanna see dead bodies. 736 00:50:09,382 --> 00:50:13,009 I do not wanna see coffins. I wanna remain comfortable. 737 00:50:13,386 --> 00:50:14,761 Welcome home. 738 00:50:14,929 --> 00:50:18,098 And so, you know, the government gives them what they want. 739 00:50:18,265 --> 00:50:19,891 The press gives them what they want. 740 00:50:29,694 --> 00:50:32,195 Pat and Kevin, when they came back from Iraq... 741 00:50:32,363 --> 00:50:37,867 ...were like, "This is just 100 percent bullshit." 742 00:50:38,411 --> 00:50:41,413 I think after coming home from Iraq, he was a little disillusioned. 743 00:50:42,748 --> 00:50:44,582 It was right around the halfway mark... 744 00:50:44,750 --> 00:50:50,004 ...and he was in a stage of looking towards the next step. 745 00:50:51,632 --> 00:50:54,300 Just before Pat was due to return to combat duty... 746 00:50:54,468 --> 00:50:57,846 ...an opportunity arose that would have saved his life. 747 00:50:58,681 --> 00:51:00,974 One of the NFL teams had approached his agent... 748 00:51:01,142 --> 00:51:04,269 ...and, you know, said that he would be eligible to get out... 749 00:51:04,437 --> 00:51:06,771 ...since he had been on a combat tour. 750 00:51:07,690 --> 00:51:09,315 In a back-channel agreement... 751 00:51:09,483 --> 00:51:13,153 ...the military said that Pat could be immediately discharged with honors... 752 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,823 ...and could return to his football career by the following season. 753 00:51:16,991 --> 00:51:19,284 As coach Dave McGinnis later recalled... 754 00:51:19,452 --> 00:51:21,745 ...Pat sought him out to discuss the secret offer. 755 00:51:21,912 --> 00:51:23,496 When he came in and talked to me-- 756 00:51:23,664 --> 00:51:25,623 We talked for about two hours in my office. 757 00:51:25,791 --> 00:51:28,168 And we talked about some things that at the time... 758 00:51:28,335 --> 00:51:30,420 ...that he asked that I not talk about. 759 00:51:30,588 --> 00:51:34,466 He said, "Coach Mac, I'll tell you some things, but I would prefer--" 760 00:51:34,633 --> 00:51:37,218 And believe me, I will hold those things forever. 761 00:51:37,386 --> 00:51:41,723 Just know this, that Pat Tillman made a decision... 762 00:51:41,891 --> 00:51:45,393 ...based on some very real values. 763 00:51:45,561 --> 00:51:50,315 And the words: honor, integrity, dignity, commitment... 764 00:51:50,483 --> 00:51:52,984 ...they were not just adjectives with Pat Tillman... 765 00:51:53,152 --> 00:51:56,362 ...they were realities in his life... 766 00:51:56,530 --> 00:51:59,240 ...and that came through very loud and clear. 767 00:52:00,451 --> 00:52:03,661 He committed for three years and he was gonna fulfill his commitment. 768 00:52:03,829 --> 00:52:07,332 It's the same reason why Kevin didn't leave after Pat was killed. 769 00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:11,753 They made a commitment and they honored that. 770 00:52:12,171 --> 00:52:16,257 Did you get the impression that he planned on returning to football? 771 00:52:19,845 --> 00:52:22,806 Just give me a minute here because this is.... 772 00:52:23,808 --> 00:52:25,934 You know, he had.... 773 00:52:30,189 --> 00:52:31,773 That's what he wanted to do... 774 00:52:31,941 --> 00:52:36,027 ...because one of the last things that he said to me when we left up there-- 775 00:52:36,195 --> 00:52:39,823 You know, I said, "Okay, good luck. Stay in touch, we'll be--" 776 00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:42,242 And he said, "You know, I'd...." 777 00:52:42,910 --> 00:52:44,452 And then-- And his last-- 778 00:52:44,620 --> 00:52:48,331 He said, "Coach, I just-- You know, I wanna come back and play for you." 779 00:52:53,546 --> 00:52:58,716 Pat reported for his second tour of duty in April of 2004. 780 00:52:59,218 --> 00:53:02,637 His platoon was sent to Afghanistan and assigned to carry out... 781 00:53:02,805 --> 00:53:06,683 ...reconnaissance sweeps near the Pakistani border. 782 00:53:07,810 --> 00:53:11,229 The Rangers were accompanied by a group of allied Afghan militia... 783 00:53:11,397 --> 00:53:13,064 ...known as AMF soldiers. 784 00:53:14,942 --> 00:53:19,571 Pat was now in charge of a small fire team including Bryan O'Neal. 785 00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:24,242 At that time, I mean, I was still brand-new. 786 00:53:25,411 --> 00:53:26,578 Being from Arizona... 787 00:53:26,745 --> 00:53:30,081 ...I thought a lot of Afghanistan looked like a lot of Arizona. 788 00:53:30,249 --> 00:53:32,083 The people were a bit different. 789 00:53:35,296 --> 00:53:37,422 These photos were taken by Pat's platoon... 790 00:53:37,590 --> 00:53:41,676 ...in the days leading up to the incident of April 22nd. 791 00:53:42,803 --> 00:53:45,847 On that day, while traversing the rugged terrain... 792 00:53:46,015 --> 00:53:49,267 ...one of the platoon's Humvees broke down. 793 00:53:50,936 --> 00:53:54,981 After six hours stuck in a small village, the commanders back at base... 794 00:53:55,149 --> 00:53:59,611 ...ordered the platoon split in two halves, or "serials." 795 00:54:00,195 --> 00:54:02,697 One serial was to deal with the downed vehicle... 796 00:54:02,865 --> 00:54:07,118 ...while the other, including Pat, Russell Baer and Bryan O'Neal... 797 00:54:07,286 --> 00:54:09,787 ...was to carry on with the mission. 798 00:54:10,039 --> 00:54:14,417 I remember thinking that it was a horrible idea to split the convoy. 799 00:54:14,585 --> 00:54:17,462 You know, you're taking half of your firepower away... 800 00:54:17,630 --> 00:54:19,923 ...especially in this area we were going through. 801 00:54:20,090 --> 00:54:23,384 As soon as we took off, we basically went into this canyon... 802 00:54:23,552 --> 00:54:25,178 ...where the walls were so steep. 803 00:54:25,346 --> 00:54:28,973 442 Zulu. We're running down the canyon. 804 00:54:29,141 --> 00:54:32,268 Staff Sergeant **** is going to narrate as best he can... 805 00:54:32,436 --> 00:54:35,939 ...his recollection of events passing through this canyon. 806 00:54:36,649 --> 00:54:40,401 This video shows the actual canyon where Pat was killed. 807 00:54:40,569 --> 00:54:42,278 It was presented to the Tillman's... 808 00:54:42,446 --> 00:54:46,115 ...as part of the military's official explanation of the incident. 809 00:54:46,283 --> 00:54:51,788 Okay, we're rolling. This is April 23rd, 2006. 0551 Zulu. 810 00:54:51,956 --> 00:54:54,415 The Army's investigator returned to Afghanistan... 811 00:54:54,583 --> 00:54:56,209 ...with members of Pat's platoon... 812 00:54:56,377 --> 00:54:58,711 ...who walked him through the sequence of events... 813 00:54:58,879 --> 00:55:01,422 ...and laid out the routes of the two serials. 814 00:55:04,343 --> 00:55:07,512 Traveling along a dry creek bed at the bottom of a narrow gorge... 815 00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,683 ...Pat, Bryan O'Neal, Russell Baer, and the rest of Serial 1... 816 00:55:11,850 --> 00:55:14,852 ...made it through the canyon unscathed. 817 00:55:16,021 --> 00:55:19,732 At the mouth of the canyon, they arrived at a small village. 818 00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:24,028 There was a rolling hill with some compounds on it. 819 00:55:24,196 --> 00:55:27,824 My squad leader said, "Stop the vehicles. Get out, stretch your legs. 820 00:55:27,992 --> 00:55:31,703 Let's figure out where we're at. Let's figure out where Serial 2's at." 821 00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,374 And that's when we heard the first initial explosion. 822 00:55:39,169 --> 00:55:41,421 I remember hearing these explosions go off... 823 00:55:41,588 --> 00:55:45,466 ...and I knew they were in the back of the canyon where we just were. 824 00:55:45,634 --> 00:55:48,886 Which kind of surprised me because, you know, I didn't realize... 825 00:55:49,054 --> 00:55:53,307 ...that the second half of the convoy was following behind us like they were. 826 00:55:53,684 --> 00:55:54,892 In the steep terrain... 827 00:55:55,060 --> 00:55:58,396 ...the two serials had lost radio contact with each other. 828 00:55:58,564 --> 00:56:00,064 Pat's serial didn't know... 829 00:56:00,232 --> 00:56:04,527 ...that half a mile behind them in the canyon, was the second serial. 830 00:56:05,946 --> 00:56:11,242 In the last of five vehicles was Kevin Tillman and Jason Parsons. 831 00:56:11,535 --> 00:56:15,038 We was moving through the canyon and then there was an explosion. 832 00:56:15,205 --> 00:56:17,999 I mean, it was a pretty decent explosion. 833 00:56:18,167 --> 00:56:20,585 We seen rocks and dust and everything fly. 834 00:56:21,045 --> 00:56:24,088 People in a vehicle further up the canyon... 835 00:56:24,256 --> 00:56:27,133 ...believed that it was an RPG attack... 836 00:56:27,301 --> 00:56:30,428 ...so they began lighting up that position. 837 00:56:35,267 --> 00:56:38,102 The Army initially reported that the Rangers were set upon... 838 00:56:38,270 --> 00:56:41,272 ...by an ambush of up to 20 Taliban fighters. 839 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,608 But in the entire course of this attack... 840 00:56:43,776 --> 00:56:46,110 ...not a single Ranger was wounded by enemy fire. 841 00:56:46,278 --> 00:56:49,947 Not even a bullet hole was found in any of the equipment. 842 00:56:50,199 --> 00:56:53,201 Even though you go through all the statements, no one ever saw... 843 00:56:53,368 --> 00:56:56,287 ...more than two people at a time that were attacking them. 844 00:56:56,455 --> 00:56:59,457 And in many cases, they sounded very unsure of themselves... 845 00:56:59,625 --> 00:57:01,584 ...even saying that. 846 00:57:02,127 --> 00:57:03,795 It's completely conceivable... 847 00:57:03,962 --> 00:57:07,965 ...that these explosions were maybe one of our guys AD'd his weapon. 848 00:57:08,133 --> 00:57:11,886 AD meaning they discharged the weapon accidentally. 849 00:57:12,679 --> 00:57:15,348 That's his perspective. I'll let him have it. 850 00:57:15,516 --> 00:57:19,560 But from my perspective, there was two mortars that hit... 851 00:57:19,728 --> 00:57:21,312 ...there were rounds coming in... 852 00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:25,399 ...I had one impact 6 to 7 feet away from me. 853 00:57:25,567 --> 00:57:28,528 In the end, the existence of any enemy combatants... 854 00:57:28,695 --> 00:57:30,863 ...has been disputed. 855 00:57:31,365 --> 00:57:33,908 What has never been disputed is that, in this moment... 856 00:57:34,076 --> 00:57:37,203 ...the Rangers in Serial 2 unleashed their full firepower... 857 00:57:37,371 --> 00:57:38,788 ...up into the canyon walls... 858 00:57:38,956 --> 00:57:42,166 ...as they continued driving towards Serial 1. 859 00:57:42,334 --> 00:57:44,502 It was not a fog of war, not in my mind at all. 860 00:57:44,670 --> 00:57:46,212 I believe it was a lust to fight. 861 00:57:46,380 --> 00:57:49,841 I don't think these soldiers were scared when they came out of that canyon. 862 00:57:50,008 --> 00:57:52,927 I think they were relieved they were out of the canyon... 863 00:57:53,095 --> 00:57:54,637 ...and they just wanted to shoot. 864 00:58:01,603 --> 00:58:03,563 Hearing the explosion and gun fire... 865 00:58:03,730 --> 00:58:07,650 ...Serial 1 ran back toward the canyon to help Serial 2. 866 00:58:07,818 --> 00:58:11,112 I remember seeing Pat, you know. He yelled at me, "O'Neal, follow me!" 867 00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,364 And, you know, I do what I was told. 868 00:58:13,532 --> 00:58:16,450 You know, he's my team leader, I follow him wherever I go. 869 00:58:16,618 --> 00:58:20,288 And I was really surprised at how quick O'Neal was following Pat. 870 00:58:20,455 --> 00:58:23,040 I mean, he has just as much gear on as everybody else... 871 00:58:23,208 --> 00:58:25,209 ...and he was just keeping up with him. 872 00:58:25,377 --> 00:58:30,047 I remember getting halfway up this hill and Pat turning around... 873 00:58:30,215 --> 00:58:32,091 ...asking Sergeant Weeks, my squad leader: 874 00:58:32,259 --> 00:58:35,428 "Hey, Sergeant Weeks, can we take our body armor off?" 875 00:58:35,596 --> 00:58:37,221 And I remember thinking to myself: 876 00:58:37,389 --> 00:58:39,348 "Fuck that. I am keeping my body armor on." 877 00:58:39,516 --> 00:58:42,018 Pat is wanting to get up there as quickly as possible. 878 00:58:42,186 --> 00:58:43,895 Tillman was at about this location... 879 00:58:44,062 --> 00:58:47,857 ...and he asked if he could drop his body armor... 880 00:58:48,025 --> 00:58:51,068 ...and start pursuing up this hill. 881 00:58:51,236 --> 00:58:53,070 I told him no. 882 00:58:54,531 --> 00:58:58,534 At that time, I noticed there was an Afghani militia man with us. 883 00:58:58,702 --> 00:59:01,329 He jumped in with us and we just started running. 884 00:59:03,582 --> 00:59:06,709 At the moment Pat's fire team reached these rocks... 885 00:59:06,877 --> 00:59:11,339 ...the lead vehicle of Serial 2 emerged from the canyon below them. 886 00:59:13,175 --> 00:59:17,678 The vehicle had left Kevin, Jason and the rest of the convoy behind. 887 00:59:17,846 --> 00:59:20,848 It pulled into the clearing, and the soldiers onboard took aim... 888 00:59:21,016 --> 00:59:23,976 ...directly up at Pat's fire team. 889 00:59:25,020 --> 00:59:26,979 The AMF soldier standing next to Pat... 890 00:59:27,147 --> 00:59:29,941 ...was shot eight times in the chest and dropped dead. 891 00:59:30,108 --> 00:59:31,943 Facing the gentleman, and I approached-- 892 00:59:32,110 --> 00:59:34,278 People started to yell, "Cease fire!" 893 00:59:34,446 --> 00:59:37,782 Then people said, "Hey, I think they're fucking shooting at us." 894 00:59:37,950 --> 00:59:43,162 And then, you know, we knew, no shit, that they were shooting at us. 895 00:59:45,457 --> 00:59:49,418 A .50 cal can shoot 900 rounds a minute... 896 00:59:49,586 --> 00:59:53,381 ...and it could have been no less than a minute that they were shooting at us. 897 00:59:53,799 --> 00:59:57,468 You could see on the rock all the marks from the rounds... 898 00:59:57,636 --> 01:00:00,805 ...all except the spot where I was lying. 899 01:00:01,390 --> 01:00:03,641 I just remember thinking, "I'm gonna die." 900 01:00:03,809 --> 01:00:06,519 And, you know, asking Pat, "What are we gonna do? 901 01:00:06,687 --> 01:00:10,898 How are we gonna get out of this?" And he said, "I've got an idea." 902 01:00:14,111 --> 01:00:16,279 He popped a smoke grenade and threw it... 903 01:00:16,446 --> 01:00:19,407 ...and they stopped shooting at us. 904 01:00:20,826 --> 01:00:24,912 And after they stopped shooting at us, you know, me and Pat stood up... 905 01:00:25,330 --> 01:00:27,290 ...let our hearts slow down for a second. 906 01:00:27,457 --> 01:00:30,626 I remember looking at Pat asking him, "How could that happen? 907 01:00:30,794 --> 01:00:32,503 How did they not see us?" 908 01:00:32,671 --> 01:00:35,881 And, you know, he couldn't answer me, he didn't know. 909 01:00:36,341 --> 01:00:40,011 I was actually more afraid for the guys that had just got done shooting at us... 910 01:00:40,178 --> 01:00:42,430 ...that they were gonna get in trouble. 911 01:00:42,848 --> 01:00:44,932 The soldiers didn't get in trouble... 912 01:00:45,100 --> 01:00:47,101 ...because the military always maintained... 913 01:00:47,269 --> 01:00:50,229 ...that what happened next transpired in only four seconds... 914 01:00:50,397 --> 01:00:53,024 ...during the confusion of combat. 915 01:00:53,358 --> 01:00:55,359 For years, we get this story... 916 01:00:55,527 --> 01:00:59,447 ...that Pat was shot from probably 200, 300 yards away. 917 01:00:59,614 --> 01:01:02,116 They were going about 25 to 35 miles an hour... 918 01:01:02,284 --> 01:01:04,327 ...firing wildly to the right... 919 01:01:04,494 --> 01:01:09,707 ...and Pat and this Afghan were just an unfortunate consequence... 920 01:01:09,875 --> 01:01:11,876 ...of people being excited. 921 01:01:12,044 --> 01:01:16,047 But Bryan O'Neal has said, in no uncertain terms that... 922 01:01:16,214 --> 01:01:18,716 ...that was not the case. 923 01:01:18,884 --> 01:01:21,969 Today was the first day I've ever actually seen this PowerPoint. 924 01:01:22,387 --> 01:01:26,724 It's really interesting to see from this perspective now. 925 01:01:32,189 --> 01:01:36,233 I don't find this video accurate because it depicts, on his account... 926 01:01:36,401 --> 01:01:39,070 ...that they were moving continuously... 927 01:01:39,237 --> 01:01:41,405 ...through the valley where they were driving. 928 01:01:41,573 --> 01:01:43,407 In actuality, from my memory... 929 01:01:43,575 --> 01:01:48,037 ...I remember them stopping and firing on two occasions. 930 01:01:49,539 --> 01:01:52,458 What he's saying here is a complete lie. 931 01:01:54,086 --> 01:01:57,630 The driver took them from about a hundred yards away... 932 01:01:57,798 --> 01:02:00,883 ...over to a better location to kill them. 933 01:02:01,051 --> 01:02:03,511 Now they're about 40 yards away. 934 01:02:03,845 --> 01:02:08,474 You know, they stopped and then drove forward... 935 01:02:08,642 --> 01:02:11,352 ...and then reengaged us, dismounted... 936 01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,355 ...and then started reengaging us again. 937 01:02:15,315 --> 01:02:17,608 At that point, I thought we were all gonna die. 938 01:02:17,776 --> 01:02:19,610 And.... 939 01:02:23,323 --> 01:02:28,702 I remember putting my weapon on fire, and having my finger on the trigger... 940 01:02:28,870 --> 01:02:31,122 ...and knowing these are my buddies down there... 941 01:02:31,289 --> 01:02:34,125 ...but knowing that they're gonna kill us and kill everybody. 942 01:02:34,292 --> 01:02:38,129 And I was, you know, a second away from just loading them up... 943 01:02:38,296 --> 01:02:40,798 ...just killing them all, and I could have done it. 944 01:02:41,258 --> 01:02:46,178 I started to say a prayer out loud, you know, and it was something like: 945 01:02:46,430 --> 01:02:51,183 "Oh, God, please, if you can help us out of this situation... 946 01:02:51,351 --> 01:02:53,978 ...you know, I'll be very grateful... 947 01:02:54,146 --> 01:02:59,150 ...and I'll do what I can to repay you for this debt that I will owe you." 948 01:02:59,317 --> 01:03:04,697 And I remember Pat saying, "O'Neal, quit praying." 949 01:03:04,865 --> 01:03:07,616 You know, God is not the one to help you now. 950 01:03:08,452 --> 01:03:10,870 This is reality, this is what we need to focus on. 951 01:03:11,037 --> 01:03:13,164 I don't want you to go into some la-la land... 952 01:03:13,331 --> 01:03:16,167 ...not pay attention and then get killed." 953 01:03:22,382 --> 01:03:24,383 I was actually grateful for him to say that. 954 01:03:24,551 --> 01:03:29,930 I was really trying to put my focus somewhere else and not keep it here. 955 01:03:30,474 --> 01:03:34,518 Pat, he saved my life. 956 01:03:36,062 --> 01:03:38,606 All of the sudden, they started shooting at us again... 957 01:03:38,773 --> 01:03:41,817 ...and I just remember Pat, you know, yelling his name. 958 01:03:41,985 --> 01:03:43,235 "I'm Pat Tillman. 959 01:03:43,403 --> 01:03:46,489 I'm Pat fucking Tillman, why are you shooting at me?" 960 01:03:49,034 --> 01:03:53,871 Pat's last words were, repeatedly, "I'm Pat fucking Tillman." 961 01:03:55,207 --> 01:03:59,710 And that was after he got lit up by the machine gun the first time. 962 01:03:59,878 --> 01:04:06,217 He's flat on the ground, sitting on the ground, he was hurt. 963 01:04:08,970 --> 01:04:13,390 And I suspect he was a bit disappointed... 964 01:04:13,558 --> 01:04:16,727 ...that his own team is shooting at him. 965 01:04:16,895 --> 01:04:23,234 And I imagine that those comments of his, "I'm Pat fucking Tillman"... 966 01:04:23,401 --> 01:04:25,903 ...he said while looking right at them... 967 01:04:26,071 --> 01:04:30,908 ...with a face that would make most people nervous. 968 01:04:39,334 --> 01:04:43,420 I remember hearing the sound of a drinking fountain. 969 01:04:43,588 --> 01:04:45,214 Like, when you press the button... 970 01:04:45,382 --> 01:04:48,384 ...to get water out of the drinking fountain, the sound it makes. 971 01:04:48,969 --> 01:04:51,887 And I just look over at my side and I see this blood... 972 01:04:52,055 --> 01:04:55,015 ...pouring down this rock that I'm sitting behind. 973 01:04:55,183 --> 01:04:57,935 He-- His head was gone. 974 01:04:58,770 --> 01:05:00,437 Completely gone. 975 01:05:02,148 --> 01:05:05,609 And I take my helmet off and I throw it against the ground... 976 01:05:05,777 --> 01:05:09,780 ...and then I kind of blackout. 977 01:05:18,415 --> 01:05:21,208 I just heard this guttural scream. 978 01:05:22,460 --> 01:05:26,255 And I automatically thought, "Someone's dead." 979 01:05:26,423 --> 01:05:27,881 It's the first thing I had. 980 01:05:28,049 --> 01:05:32,636 And I caught Dannie about seven, eight feet outside her door... 981 01:05:32,804 --> 01:05:35,389 ...and she was collapsing, and I caught her... 982 01:05:35,557 --> 01:05:37,391 ...and she had a telephone in her hand. 983 01:05:37,559 --> 01:05:40,477 One sad thing, and I'll never forget this... 984 01:05:40,645 --> 01:05:45,107 ...but she went and got a picture of Patrick... 985 01:05:45,275 --> 01:05:49,653 ...and she had this picture and she just kept saying: 986 01:05:50,363 --> 01:05:54,158 "April the 22nd, 2004. 987 01:05:54,326 --> 01:05:58,329 April the 22nd, Pat is gone. 988 01:05:58,496 --> 01:06:01,373 April the 22nd--" 989 01:06:04,461 --> 01:06:08,756 I was with Kevin when he found out Pat had been killed. 990 01:06:09,924 --> 01:06:12,509 He got out of the vehicle... 991 01:06:12,677 --> 01:06:17,181 ...and you could see there was a million things going through his head. 992 01:06:17,349 --> 01:06:20,225 There was absolute horror and shock... 993 01:06:20,393 --> 01:06:25,356 ...and I remember him screaming several times. 994 01:06:25,523 --> 01:06:29,360 I remember him taking his helmet off and slamming it on the ground. 995 01:06:30,195 --> 01:06:32,029 I remember... 996 01:06:32,697 --> 01:06:35,199 ...our medic, Doc... 997 01:06:35,367 --> 01:06:38,786 ...kind of coming up to him, you know, saying, "Hey, give me your weapon." 998 01:06:41,539 --> 01:06:47,044 And then I saw him go over to his brother's body and he just sat there. 999 01:06:50,340 --> 01:06:52,800 I remember seeing Kevin in his Humvee... 1000 01:06:52,967 --> 01:06:56,303 ...and I was told by Colonel Bailey... 1001 01:06:56,471 --> 01:07:00,057 ...to not tell him Pat was killed by friendly fire. 1002 01:07:00,225 --> 01:07:02,059 You know, "Your career is on the line... 1003 01:07:02,227 --> 01:07:06,063 ...do not tell Kevin exactly what happened." 1004 01:07:08,233 --> 01:07:12,069 Kevin had arrived on the scene 10 minutes after the shooting. 1005 01:07:12,445 --> 01:07:15,280 He was immediately quarantined and the rest of the platoon... 1006 01:07:15,448 --> 01:07:18,742 ...was ordered not to tell him what had happened. 1007 01:07:22,580 --> 01:07:25,374 Russell Baer was put on a plane with Kevin. 1008 01:07:25,542 --> 01:07:28,419 He was ordered to escort Pat's remains back home... 1009 01:07:28,586 --> 01:07:32,840 ...and to present the family with flags on behalf of the country. 1010 01:07:33,842 --> 01:07:39,221 That was a difficult experience for me. Just with everything that I knew... 1011 01:07:40,223 --> 01:07:43,851 ...and I was scared about what was to come afterwards. 1012 01:07:44,018 --> 01:07:47,271 You know, I was just-- I was afraid for it all. 1013 01:07:52,110 --> 01:07:55,195 I mean, it was the first time I'd ever met Pat's mom... 1014 01:07:55,363 --> 01:07:58,866 ...and she saw how difficult it was for me and she.... 1015 01:08:03,037 --> 01:08:07,291 She grabbed my hand, kind of just patted my hand a little bit. 1016 01:08:08,293 --> 01:08:11,795 The real test of a man is not when he plays the role he wants for himself... 1017 01:08:11,963 --> 01:08:15,048 ...but when he plays the role destiny has for him. 1018 01:08:15,216 --> 01:08:18,844 So when that little voice in your head tells you not to do the easy things... 1019 01:08:19,012 --> 01:08:21,305 ...but the right things... 1020 01:08:21,473 --> 01:08:25,726 ...it's Pat. Right in your ear, man. It's Pat. 1021 01:08:28,897 --> 01:08:30,647 Right after Pat died... 1022 01:08:30,815 --> 01:08:36,737 ...we probably felt the most sense of comfort from people from the military. 1023 01:08:36,905 --> 01:08:42,326 And we were very honored to see that General Kensinger was present. 1024 01:08:43,828 --> 01:08:46,789 I wanna thank anybody involved in the military... 1025 01:08:46,956 --> 01:08:49,374 ...especially the Rangers. Outstanding human beings-- 1026 01:08:49,542 --> 01:08:53,003 Then to find out that they were the very people to lie to us... 1027 01:08:53,671 --> 01:08:54,797 ...it's outrageous. 1028 01:08:54,964 --> 01:08:58,175 I don't know a lot about what happened to Pat... 1029 01:08:59,010 --> 01:09:02,095 ...but the last few days have not been very pleasant. 1030 01:09:03,431 --> 01:09:08,185 It's only been a week and it ain't getting any better. 1031 01:09:10,355 --> 01:09:12,606 It's a horrible thing to lie. 1032 01:09:12,774 --> 01:09:16,360 It's an atrocity that they would take a young man with honorable intentions... 1033 01:09:16,528 --> 01:09:17,861 ...who served his country... 1034 01:09:18,029 --> 01:09:20,364 ...and lie about how he died to promote a war. 1035 01:09:20,532 --> 01:09:24,368 To use him as a political-- A propaganda tool, basically. 1036 01:09:24,536 --> 01:09:26,286 That is immoral. 1037 01:09:31,709 --> 01:09:36,547 The five shooters never gave a credible explanation for their actions. 1038 01:09:36,714 --> 01:09:38,799 But by the time the Tillmans had unredacted... 1039 01:09:38,967 --> 01:09:40,968 ...the entire box of documents... 1040 01:09:41,135 --> 01:09:44,179 ...they understood that the deception about their son's death... 1041 01:09:44,347 --> 01:09:47,558 ...went much higher than the soldiers on the ground. 1042 01:09:47,725 --> 01:09:49,017 Pat Tillman has been killed. 1043 01:09:49,185 --> 01:09:51,895 Forty-five minutes later, he's been killed by fratricide. 1044 01:09:52,063 --> 01:09:55,983 "Oh, shit. What do we do now?" 1045 01:09:56,317 --> 01:10:00,070 "Okay, let's spin this as a heroic action. 1046 01:10:00,238 --> 01:10:03,407 We'll turn his dead body into a recruiting poster." 1047 01:10:03,575 --> 01:10:08,871 They destroyed his uniform, his body armor, his helmet, his diary. 1048 01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:12,207 Every piece of evidence that could ever be used... 1049 01:10:14,836 --> 01:10:16,753 ...to explain what happened is eliminated. 1050 01:10:19,549 --> 01:10:22,384 You just don't do shit without telling your superior officer. 1051 01:10:23,761 --> 01:10:26,305 "Oh, I'm gonna go burn Pat's uniform." 1052 01:10:26,472 --> 01:10:27,514 No. 1053 01:10:28,892 --> 01:10:31,018 You don't piss without permission... 1054 01:10:32,437 --> 01:10:34,271 ...so this goes pretty damn high. 1055 01:10:36,274 --> 01:10:38,108 Once the Tillmans shifted their focus... 1056 01:10:38,276 --> 01:10:40,944 ...to the higher-ups responsible for the cover-up... 1057 01:10:41,112 --> 01:10:43,405 ...the lead investigator assigned to their case... 1058 01:10:43,573 --> 01:10:46,742 ...began publicly suggesting that it was time to move on. 1059 01:10:47,952 --> 01:10:50,913 I don't know. These people, they have a hard time letting it go. 1060 01:10:53,291 --> 01:10:55,375 It may be because of their religious beliefs. 1061 01:10:57,795 --> 01:10:59,796 - I don't know how an atheist thinks. - Right. 1062 01:10:59,964 --> 01:11:02,549 But I can only imagine that, that would be pretty tough. 1063 01:11:02,717 --> 01:11:04,384 Right. 1064 01:11:04,552 --> 01:11:07,179 If you're an atheist, then you don't believe in anything? 1065 01:11:07,347 --> 01:11:11,642 If you die, what is there to go to? Nothing. You're worm dirt. 1066 01:11:11,809 --> 01:11:14,186 It's pretty hard to get your head around that. 1067 01:11:14,354 --> 01:11:17,439 So you suspect that's the reason why this thing's dragging on. 1068 01:11:17,607 --> 01:11:21,109 I think so. There's not a whole lot of trust in the system. 1069 01:11:21,277 --> 01:11:24,279 - Right. - Or faith in the system. 1070 01:11:26,491 --> 01:11:32,371 It was my understanding at the time that this investigation is over... 1071 01:11:32,956 --> 01:11:35,415 ...that this has been closed... 1072 01:11:35,583 --> 01:11:38,251 ...they're not gonna give me the truth, it's a done deal. 1073 01:11:38,419 --> 01:11:43,924 And that being said, there's not much I can do to force the issue. 1074 01:11:44,801 --> 01:11:46,468 So I wrote them a letter. 1075 01:11:46,636 --> 01:11:48,512 I just went through and blew out... 1076 01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:52,975 ...just about everything they considered to be a fact. 1077 01:11:53,142 --> 01:11:56,520 And explained to them why that is a lie... 1078 01:11:56,688 --> 01:12:01,692 ...and concluded by telling them that I have low regard for them. 1079 01:12:02,860 --> 01:12:05,487 I just wanted to tell somebody off. 1080 01:12:12,537 --> 01:12:16,123 Unbeknownst to Pat Sr., the Army considered the wording of his letter... 1081 01:12:16,290 --> 01:12:19,543 ...to be a formal accusation of criminal misconduct. 1082 01:12:20,461 --> 01:12:23,296 This automatically initiated a new investigation... 1083 01:12:23,464 --> 01:12:25,215 ...by the inspector general's office. 1084 01:12:25,383 --> 01:12:26,925 Thank you for being here today. 1085 01:12:27,093 --> 01:12:31,638 It's kind of obnoxious that the letter did have the impact that it did. 1086 01:12:31,806 --> 01:12:36,852 It's like, wait a minute, my mom has been working her ass off for years... 1087 01:12:37,020 --> 01:12:40,439 ...and if she knew all she had to do was tell you to go fuck yourself... 1088 01:12:40,606 --> 01:12:43,900 ...and you'd actually do your job, I'm sure she would have done that... 1089 01:12:44,068 --> 01:12:45,569 ...two and a half years before. 1090 01:12:46,863 --> 01:12:50,282 After an 18-month inquiry, the Army secretary announced... 1091 01:12:50,450 --> 01:12:53,910 ...that the military was finally ready to assign blame. 1092 01:12:54,078 --> 01:12:56,913 We present to you the results of the Wallace Investigation... 1093 01:12:57,081 --> 01:12:59,332 ...into the tragic death of Corporal Pat Tillman. 1094 01:12:59,500 --> 01:13:03,253 I'm on my way to an anniversary in Las Vegas. 1095 01:13:04,088 --> 01:13:08,550 I get a phone call from my wife that says, "Hey, you're on CNN." 1096 01:13:10,595 --> 01:13:13,805 Up first, new information about who bungled the initial probe... 1097 01:13:13,973 --> 01:13:15,599 ...into the friendly-fire death... 1098 01:13:15,767 --> 01:13:18,810 ...of Army Ranger and former football star Pat Tillman. 1099 01:13:19,270 --> 01:13:23,273 Let's go to the news conference now over at the Pentagon. Let's listen in. 1100 01:13:23,441 --> 01:13:26,443 General Wallace did find a senior official... 1101 01:13:26,611 --> 01:13:29,613 ...Lieutenant General Kensinger, the senior leader in... 1102 01:13:29,781 --> 01:13:34,034 ...the administrative chain of command for the 75th Ranger Regiment... 1103 01:13:34,202 --> 01:13:36,244 ...found him guilty of deception. 1104 01:13:36,662 --> 01:13:41,958 General Kensinger was the captain of that ship and his ship ran aground. 1105 01:13:42,126 --> 01:13:43,960 It ran aground because he failed-- 1106 01:13:44,128 --> 01:13:48,131 Devastating. Devastating to be called the villain in the process... 1107 01:13:48,299 --> 01:13:52,469 ...or the captain who ran his ship aground... 1108 01:13:52,637 --> 01:13:55,847 ...and let all his soldiers down. 1109 01:13:56,808 --> 01:13:59,184 General Kensinger was the public face of the Army... 1110 01:13:59,352 --> 01:14:00,977 ...in the weeks after Pat's death. 1111 01:14:01,145 --> 01:14:03,063 I will not be taking questions. 1112 01:14:03,231 --> 01:14:05,899 The Army said that Kensinger knew about the fratricide... 1113 01:14:06,067 --> 01:14:08,944 ...when he attended Pat's memorial service. 1114 01:14:09,112 --> 01:14:12,239 He would be stripped of his third star. 1115 01:14:12,406 --> 01:14:13,698 But as a reporter noted... 1116 01:14:13,866 --> 01:14:16,827 ...there may have be another reason why Kensinger took the fall. 1117 01:14:16,994 --> 01:14:20,122 --yet, all the blame falls on General Kensinger. 1118 01:14:20,289 --> 01:14:22,040 I'm just trying to make sense of that. 1119 01:14:22,208 --> 01:14:25,418 He happens to be retired, is there a coincidence there? 1120 01:14:25,753 --> 01:14:26,795 The fact that he-- 1121 01:14:26,963 --> 01:14:30,298 He's the only one who's really being singled out. 1122 01:14:30,758 --> 01:14:32,592 I believe the buck stops with Kensinger. 1123 01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:35,929 He was the senior leader in the chain of command for-- 1124 01:14:36,097 --> 01:14:38,014 I don't think the buck stops at Kensinger. 1125 01:14:38,182 --> 01:14:42,018 There's no way this cover-up started at the three-star level. It had to go higher. 1126 01:14:42,186 --> 01:14:43,854 You look at what Kensinger's role-- 1127 01:14:44,021 --> 01:14:47,107 I don't think Kensinger would have been inclined to cover it up... 1128 01:14:47,275 --> 01:14:48,525 ...if he wasn't ordered to. 1129 01:14:48,693 --> 01:14:50,193 --if he performed his duty-- 1130 01:14:50,361 --> 01:14:51,486 I mean, he was culpable. 1131 01:14:51,654 --> 01:14:55,073 I mean, he could've easily picked up the phone and called us... 1132 01:14:55,241 --> 01:14:58,201 ...you know, but this is their life, this is their career... 1133 01:14:58,369 --> 01:15:02,539 ...and they're terrified of losing what they've worked so hard for. 1134 01:15:03,207 --> 01:15:05,750 My wife says I'm too much of a soldier. 1135 01:15:05,918 --> 01:15:09,504 I've been doing it, you know, since 17. 1136 01:15:09,672 --> 01:15:13,884 When somebody tells me something, tells me to go do something, you say-- 1137 01:15:14,051 --> 01:15:18,889 In the Army, you salute and, you know, about-face, and go get it done. 1138 01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:27,939 To think that, you know, this is how, you know, you get treated. 1139 01:15:29,317 --> 01:15:31,276 Thank you. Thanks a lot. 1140 01:15:31,444 --> 01:15:33,236 With the end of the press conference... 1141 01:15:33,404 --> 01:15:36,489 ...the Army declared the Tillman matter over. 1142 01:15:36,908 --> 01:15:39,993 But two days later, as if in response to this... 1143 01:15:40,161 --> 01:15:42,913 ...a reporter received an anonymous leak. 1144 01:15:44,916 --> 01:15:47,751 It was a copy of a top-secret internal communiqu�... 1145 01:15:47,919 --> 01:15:49,753 ...known as a P4 memo... 1146 01:15:49,921 --> 01:15:52,339 ...sent just seven days after Pat's death... 1147 01:15:52,506 --> 01:15:56,760 ...and a full month before the family learned of the fratricide. 1148 01:15:57,386 --> 01:16:00,847 After this briefing that we received from the inspector general... 1149 01:16:01,390 --> 01:16:06,686 ...someone from Associated Press was sent a P4 memo... 1150 01:16:06,854 --> 01:16:10,106 ...that went out to the highest generals in the land. 1151 01:16:11,692 --> 01:16:14,194 Not only did the P4 memo clearly state... 1152 01:16:14,362 --> 01:16:18,281 ...that Pat was killed by friendly fire, but it left no doubt... 1153 01:16:18,449 --> 01:16:22,661 ...that the cover-up reached well above General Kensinger's rank. 1154 01:16:36,467 --> 01:16:38,760 Thank you, all. 1155 01:16:38,928 --> 01:16:43,223 General Stanley McChrystal had sent the P4 memo on April 29th... 1156 01:16:43,391 --> 01:16:46,142 ...after White House speechwriters had requested details... 1157 01:16:46,310 --> 01:16:48,228 ...about Pat's death from the Pentagon. 1158 01:16:56,153 --> 01:17:00,782 The P4 memo states they must warn the president about this... 1159 01:17:00,950 --> 01:17:05,453 ...because they'll be giving speeches and they shouldn't be embarrassed... 1160 01:17:05,621 --> 01:17:10,166 ...if the circumstances of Pat's death become public. 1161 01:17:11,002 --> 01:17:13,253 He set aside a career in athletics-- 1162 01:17:13,421 --> 01:17:15,672 The warning seemed to work. 1163 01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:18,258 In a speech, given two days before the memorial... 1164 01:17:18,426 --> 01:17:21,511 ...the president avoided the very details of Pat's death... 1165 01:17:21,679 --> 01:17:23,513 ...that his speechwriters had requested. 1166 01:17:24,098 --> 01:17:28,226 Friends say that this young man saw the images of September the 11th... 1167 01:17:28,394 --> 01:17:32,188 ...and seeing that evil, he felt called to defend America. 1168 01:17:36,610 --> 01:17:41,448 Our suspicions in the beginning were very much validated by that P4 memo. 1169 01:17:41,866 --> 01:17:44,409 These generals had plenty of time... 1170 01:17:44,577 --> 01:17:49,039 ...to make sure that we, as a family, were told the truth... 1171 01:17:49,206 --> 01:17:51,458 ...but they chose not to tell us. 1172 01:17:53,586 --> 01:17:55,837 The P4 memo clearly showed... 1173 01:17:56,005 --> 01:17:59,632 ...that while America was being told the valorous account of Pat's death... 1174 01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:02,927 ...the entire chain of command not only knew it was a lie... 1175 01:18:03,095 --> 01:18:05,680 ...but were urgently concerned about the implications... 1176 01:18:05,848 --> 01:18:07,891 ...should the truth get out. 1177 01:18:15,608 --> 01:18:17,317 Armed with this new evidence... 1178 01:18:17,485 --> 01:18:20,403 ...the family was able to take their case above the military... 1179 01:18:20,905 --> 01:18:25,617 ...and in April 2007, the House of Representatives convened hearings... 1180 01:18:25,785 --> 01:18:29,913 ...to investigate whether there had been a cover-up in the Tillman case. 1181 01:18:32,458 --> 01:18:34,626 The first testimony given was from the man... 1182 01:18:34,794 --> 01:18:37,837 ...who had remained silent throughout the ordeal... 1183 01:18:38,005 --> 01:18:40,673 ...Pat's brother, Kevin Tillman. 1184 01:18:44,678 --> 01:18:46,930 Even after discovering that the entire platoon... 1185 01:18:47,098 --> 01:18:49,432 ...had been lying to him about the fratricide... 1186 01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:53,520 ...Kevin had insisted on completing the full term of his enlistment. 1187 01:18:54,230 --> 01:18:57,524 Once he got out of the Army, Kevin went into seclusion... 1188 01:18:57,691 --> 01:19:01,653 ...refusing, until now, to speak publicly about his brother. 1189 01:19:06,617 --> 01:19:08,576 My name is Kevin Tillman. 1190 01:19:08,744 --> 01:19:10,787 Two days ago marked the third anniversary... 1191 01:19:10,955 --> 01:19:14,165 ...of the death of my older brother, Pat Tillman. Spera, Afghanistan. 1192 01:19:14,333 --> 01:19:16,835 To our family and friends, it was a devastating loss. 1193 01:19:17,002 --> 01:19:19,462 To the nation, it was a moment of disorientation. 1194 01:19:19,630 --> 01:19:22,006 To the military, it was a nightmare. 1195 01:19:22,174 --> 01:19:25,802 But to others within the government, it appears to have been an opportunity. 1196 01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:30,974 A terrible tragedy was transformed into an inspirational message... 1197 01:19:31,142 --> 01:19:35,145 ...that served instead, to support the nation's foreign-policy wars. 1198 01:19:36,313 --> 01:19:39,232 After the truth of Pat's death was partially revealed... 1199 01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:42,944 ...the Army was now left with the task of briefing our family... 1200 01:19:43,112 --> 01:19:45,071 ...and answering our questions. 1201 01:19:45,239 --> 01:19:48,575 With any luck, our family would sink quietly into our grief... 1202 01:19:48,742 --> 01:19:52,328 ...and the whole unsavory episode would be swept under the rug. 1203 01:19:52,496 --> 01:19:56,124 However, they miscalculated our family's reaction. 1204 01:19:56,625 --> 01:19:59,794 Through the amazing strength and perseverance of my mother... 1205 01:19:59,962 --> 01:20:02,255 ...the most amazing woman on earth... 1206 01:20:02,631 --> 01:20:06,509 ...our family has managed to have multiple investigations conducted. 1207 01:20:06,677 --> 01:20:10,388 However, while each investigation gathered more information... 1208 01:20:10,556 --> 01:20:13,725 ...the mountain of evidence was never used to arrive at an honest... 1209 01:20:13,893 --> 01:20:16,227 ...or even sensible conclusion. 1210 01:20:16,395 --> 01:20:18,021 That is why we ask Congress... 1211 01:20:18,189 --> 01:20:20,690 ...as a sovereign representative of the whole people... 1212 01:20:20,858 --> 01:20:23,443 ...to investigate Pat's death. 1213 01:20:23,611 --> 01:20:26,863 Anything less than the truth is a betrayal of those values... 1214 01:20:27,031 --> 01:20:31,326 ...that all soldiers who have fought for this nation have sought to uphold. 1215 01:20:31,494 --> 01:20:33,036 Thank you for your time. 1216 01:20:34,079 --> 01:20:35,997 Thank you very much for your testimony. 1217 01:20:36,165 --> 01:20:38,541 Ms. Tillman, I know he was speaking for both of you. 1218 01:20:38,709 --> 01:20:40,376 Is there anything you want to add? 1219 01:20:40,544 --> 01:20:41,961 I would like to say... 1220 01:20:42,129 --> 01:20:44,130 ...we have been asked, over and over again: 1221 01:20:44,298 --> 01:20:48,718 "Well, what can we do for your family? How can we appease you?" 1222 01:20:48,886 --> 01:20:50,720 And it makes me sick. 1223 01:20:50,888 --> 01:20:53,139 It's not about our family. 1224 01:20:53,307 --> 01:20:56,768 Our family will never be satisfied. We'll never have Pat back. 1225 01:20:56,936 --> 01:21:01,314 But what is so outrageous is this isn't about Pat. 1226 01:21:01,482 --> 01:21:04,317 This is about what they did to a nation. 1227 01:21:04,485 --> 01:21:06,486 Pat died for this country. 1228 01:21:06,654 --> 01:21:09,656 He believed it was a great country that had a system that worked. 1229 01:21:09,823 --> 01:21:12,575 It's not perfect, no one has ever said that... 1230 01:21:12,743 --> 01:21:17,580 ...but to write these glorious tales is really a disservice to Pat... 1231 01:21:17,748 --> 01:21:20,083 ...and to all the other soldiers. 1232 01:21:20,251 --> 01:21:22,502 You're diminishing their true heroism. 1233 01:21:22,670 --> 01:21:25,880 It may not be pretty, it may not be like out of a John Wayne movie... 1234 01:21:26,048 --> 01:21:31,261 ...but that's not what war is all about. It's ugly, it's bloody, it's painful. 1235 01:21:31,428 --> 01:21:34,097 Everyone should understand what's going on. 1236 01:21:34,265 --> 01:21:38,768 And we shouldn't have smokescreens thrown in our face. 1237 01:21:40,312 --> 01:21:41,396 Thank you. 1238 01:21:44,233 --> 01:21:48,403 Pat Tillman was the most famous enlisted man in the military. 1239 01:21:49,738 --> 01:21:53,950 Pat Tillman is killed. It's obvious that it was fratricide. 1240 01:21:54,118 --> 01:21:59,455 The idea, the very idea, that anyone in that chain of command... 1241 01:22:00,916 --> 01:22:07,422 ...would dare keep this information from anyone above them... 1242 01:22:07,590 --> 01:22:09,424 ...is absolutely inconceivable. 1243 01:22:10,634 --> 01:22:13,803 Pat Tillman received a letter congratulating him on his enlistment... 1244 01:22:15,723 --> 01:22:18,683 ...under the signature of Donald Rumsfeld. 1245 01:22:19,101 --> 01:22:22,478 The Secretary of Defense didn't give me a congratulations letter... 1246 01:22:22,646 --> 01:22:24,439 ...whenever I joined the Army. 1247 01:22:24,815 --> 01:22:29,569 Not only did Rumsfeld write a letter to Pat right after he enlisted... 1248 01:22:29,737 --> 01:22:34,490 ...he also sent a high-priority e-mail to the secretary of the Army... 1249 01:22:34,658 --> 01:22:38,161 ...saying that this guy is very special, we need to keep an eye on him. 1250 01:22:40,164 --> 01:22:42,999 At the urging of the Tillmans, the investigating committee... 1251 01:22:43,167 --> 01:22:46,544 ...requested testimony from the recipients of the P4 memo... 1252 01:22:46,712 --> 01:22:51,299 ...as well as Secretary Rumsfeld and General Richard Myers. 1253 01:22:51,467 --> 01:22:54,844 We finally were face to face with the highest generals in the land. 1254 01:22:55,012 --> 01:22:58,640 You know, the former Secretary of Defense. 1255 01:22:58,807 --> 01:23:01,351 And then we also had people that have the power... 1256 01:23:01,518 --> 01:23:03,478 ...to make these guys accountable. 1257 01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:04,437 ...to make these guys accountable. 1258 01:23:07,191 --> 01:23:11,194 General Abizaid, let me start with you. When did you receive this memo? 1259 01:23:13,113 --> 01:23:17,283 On the 29th, General McChrystal sent his message... 1260 01:23:17,451 --> 01:23:20,119 ...and it went to my headquarters in Tampa... 1261 01:23:20,287 --> 01:23:23,122 ...and it was not retransmitted... 1262 01:23:24,249 --> 01:23:28,544 ...for reasons of difficulties with our systems within the headquarters... 1263 01:23:28,712 --> 01:23:30,713 ...until the 6that the earliest-- 1264 01:23:30,881 --> 01:23:34,050 Yeah, yeah. General Abizaid didn't get the fax... 1265 01:23:34,218 --> 01:23:37,178 ...and there was a mix-up at the office. That's a good one. 1266 01:23:37,346 --> 01:23:41,265 Probably the 6th. It's a guess. I can't be sure exactly of the date-- 1267 01:23:41,433 --> 01:23:45,186 Abizaid is responsible for the entire Middle East and North Africa... 1268 01:23:45,354 --> 01:23:47,188 ...and this guy's not gonna be informed? 1269 01:23:47,356 --> 01:23:49,524 Well, General Myers, let's turn to you. 1270 01:23:49,692 --> 01:23:52,026 The other generals recounted similar stories. 1271 01:23:52,194 --> 01:23:54,362 I can't tell you. I don't know how I knew. 1272 01:23:54,530 --> 01:23:57,573 To the best of my knowledge, I've never seen this P4. 1273 01:23:57,741 --> 01:24:01,369 First of all, on the message, on the P4, I was an info addressee... 1274 01:24:01,537 --> 01:24:04,330 ...which is not the primary addressee-- 1275 01:24:04,498 --> 01:24:06,916 In the next three hours, the committee would hear... 1276 01:24:07,084 --> 01:24:11,337 ...some variation of the phrase "I don't recall," 82 times. 1277 01:24:11,505 --> 01:24:12,547 I just don't know. 1278 01:24:12,715 --> 01:24:17,176 Incredibly, this urgent warning had somehow slipped through the cracks. 1279 01:24:17,344 --> 01:24:19,762 There's an interesting thing about the P4 that says: 1280 01:24:19,930 --> 01:24:23,933 "Deliver during normal duty hours." And so, again-- 1281 01:24:24,101 --> 01:24:25,518 It was very disappointing. 1282 01:24:25,686 --> 01:24:27,520 That's not even the word, we were angry. 1283 01:24:27,688 --> 01:24:29,605 All the generals were lying, 1284 01:24:29,773 --> 01:24:32,775 They should have been called on a lot of things and they weren't. 1285 01:24:32,943 --> 01:24:35,027 I thought this was an oversight committee. 1286 01:24:35,487 --> 01:24:36,946 To me, an oversight committee... 1287 01:24:37,114 --> 01:24:39,449 ...is someone that does a bit of investigation... 1288 01:24:39,616 --> 01:24:41,409 ...it's not a cheerleading outfit. 1289 01:24:41,577 --> 01:24:43,786 I believe this is appropriately handled... 1290 01:24:43,954 --> 01:24:47,039 ...and those who made errors were held accountable. 1291 01:24:47,207 --> 01:24:51,669 Ninety-nine point nine percent of the military do an outstanding job... 1292 01:24:51,837 --> 01:24:54,672 ...and I thank you for setting an example. 1293 01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:59,135 These folks were held accountable. Is that correct, General Myers? 1294 01:24:59,303 --> 01:25:01,929 General? All generals? 1295 01:25:02,097 --> 01:25:03,890 From what I understand, that's correct. 1296 01:25:04,057 --> 01:25:08,686 You know, a lot of politics is theatrical wrestling, you know... 1297 01:25:08,854 --> 01:25:12,940 ...which, behind the scenes it's like, "Okay, let's don't get anybody hurt." 1298 01:25:13,108 --> 01:25:16,486 Mr. Secretary, thank you for being with us today. 1299 01:25:16,904 --> 01:25:20,490 How and when did you learn that Corporal Tillman had been killed? 1300 01:25:22,159 --> 01:25:25,119 I don't recall precisely how I learned that he was killed. 1301 01:25:25,954 --> 01:25:27,580 Okay. 1302 01:25:28,832 --> 01:25:31,667 Before he did so, were you aware that President Bush... 1303 01:25:31,835 --> 01:25:33,920 ...was going to reference Corporal Tillman... 1304 01:25:34,087 --> 01:25:36,339 ...in a correspondents' dinner speech on May 1st? 1305 01:25:36,507 --> 01:25:38,216 No. 1306 01:25:39,176 --> 01:25:41,302 It was embarrassing to watch. 1307 01:25:41,470 --> 01:25:43,554 I have no recollection of discussing it-- 1308 01:25:43,722 --> 01:25:46,057 These guys didn't have the ammunition... 1309 01:25:46,225 --> 01:25:50,228 ...to cross-examine him and catch him in a lie. 1310 01:25:50,646 --> 01:25:53,940 Well, let me conclude the hearing by just indicating the facts... 1311 01:25:54,107 --> 01:25:58,110 ...that General Myers and General Brown knew at the end of April. 1312 01:25:58,278 --> 01:25:59,946 General Abizaid learned on May 6th. 1313 01:26:00,113 --> 01:26:02,365 Secretary Rumsfeld learned on May 20th. 1314 01:26:03,033 --> 01:26:05,535 Could I correct--? Sir, could I make a point here? 1315 01:26:05,702 --> 01:26:07,286 Who? Yes, Mr. Secretary? 1316 01:26:07,454 --> 01:26:09,872 I wanna make sure it's precisely accurate. 1317 01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:14,919 I do not believe I testified that I learned on May 20th, and if I-- 1318 01:26:15,087 --> 01:26:18,297 If that impression's been left, I don't want that left. 1319 01:26:18,465 --> 01:26:21,717 My testimony is that I just simply do not know... 1320 01:26:21,885 --> 01:26:24,554 ...when I first learned of the possibility of fratricide. 1321 01:26:24,721 --> 01:26:26,639 - I appreciate that correction. - Thank you. 1322 01:26:26,807 --> 01:26:28,015 - And, sir, if I may? - Yeah. 1323 01:26:28,183 --> 01:26:32,103 I also wanted to make sure that the 6this a logical day. 1324 01:26:32,271 --> 01:26:34,230 - It's not the day. - Okay. 1325 01:26:34,398 --> 01:26:38,901 It's the best that my staff and I could come to the conclusion-- 1326 01:26:39,069 --> 01:26:42,321 Well, you were all very busy. There was no question about it. 1327 01:26:42,489 --> 01:26:45,992 Sir, one other thing, if I could interrupt to also correct. 1328 01:26:46,159 --> 01:26:51,038 Your statement was that I knew about the friendly fire. 1329 01:26:51,206 --> 01:26:54,250 I knew that there was an investigation ongoing... 1330 01:26:54,418 --> 01:26:56,335 ...about the potential for friendly fire. 1331 01:26:56,503 --> 01:26:58,796 That's goes for me too. That's exactly right. 1332 01:26:58,964 --> 01:27:01,716 - And for me, as well. - Okay. 1333 01:27:02,092 --> 01:27:04,343 At the point that they let Abizaid off the hook... 1334 01:27:04,511 --> 01:27:06,679 ...that's the point where Dannie knew... 1335 01:27:06,847 --> 01:27:09,515 ...you know, that this is as far as it was gonna go. 1336 01:27:09,683 --> 01:27:10,725 Thank you, sir. 1337 01:27:10,893 --> 01:27:15,563 That concludes our business and the committee hearing is adjourned. 1338 01:27:30,454 --> 01:27:32,538 On the way out of the congressional hearing... 1339 01:27:32,706 --> 01:27:34,999 ...this congressman, he squats down next to me... 1340 01:27:35,167 --> 01:27:37,376 ...and he holds out his hand to shake my hand... 1341 01:27:37,544 --> 01:27:40,171 ...and he just wanted to tell me that he's proud of me... 1342 01:27:40,339 --> 01:27:42,548 ...and he's proud of my son. 1343 01:27:42,966 --> 01:27:45,259 I just said, "Get out of here. Get away from me." 1344 01:27:45,427 --> 01:27:48,095 He would not go away, he wanted to keep talking. 1345 01:27:48,263 --> 01:27:52,141 I pulled my hand away from him, I said, "Get out of here, right now. 1346 01:27:52,309 --> 01:27:53,476 Get away from me." 1347 01:27:59,691 --> 01:28:02,193 Where does this stuff end? 1348 01:28:03,987 --> 01:28:05,947 It's been four years. 1349 01:28:06,573 --> 01:28:11,327 None of the actors in this matter have been held accountable. 1350 01:28:12,037 --> 01:28:16,916 But that's certainly no fault of Dannie's. 1351 01:28:17,084 --> 01:28:20,336 Pat would be nothing but unbelievably proud for her, you know. 1352 01:28:20,504 --> 01:28:23,089 I mean, she took it as far as she could take it. 1353 01:28:23,256 --> 01:28:26,342 She did everything in her power to fight for Pat. 1354 01:28:26,510 --> 01:28:28,511 And I mean, she knocked it out of the park. 1355 01:28:29,096 --> 01:28:32,848 Unfortunately, the fucking government moved the fence back, and it-- 1356 01:28:33,016 --> 01:28:35,643 You know, that was it. 1357 01:28:37,020 --> 01:28:40,356 It's about all I can do at this point. We've sort of, you know-- 1358 01:28:40,524 --> 01:28:42,775 The questioning has sort of run its course. 1359 01:28:44,528 --> 01:28:48,531 I guess I held out hope that at the last hour we would get answers... 1360 01:28:48,699 --> 01:28:52,118 ...but, no, that's not what happened. 1361 01:28:56,623 --> 01:28:59,583 I don't think there's much else that can be done. 1362 01:29:18,645 --> 01:29:20,021 The be all and the end all... 1363 01:29:20,188 --> 01:29:23,691 ...is not whether or not Congress follows through. 1364 01:29:25,444 --> 01:29:28,237 Like it or not, there's a public dimension to Pat Tillman... 1365 01:29:28,405 --> 01:29:30,156 ...and it ain't gonna go away. 1366 01:29:32,909 --> 01:29:35,870 That's a dangerous thing to fool around with though. 1367 01:29:36,830 --> 01:29:40,332 It's dangerous to lionize people like Pat. 1368 01:29:40,959 --> 01:29:43,878 When people who are attracted to the mystique of Pat Tillman... 1369 01:29:44,046 --> 01:29:47,214 ...begin to actually study who Pat Tillman was... 1370 01:29:47,382 --> 01:29:49,925 ...they're gonna find out that this story doesn't fit... 1371 01:29:50,093 --> 01:29:52,928 ...into something that's all tidy and mythic. 1372 01:29:58,435 --> 01:30:00,144 The danger of something like this... 1373 01:30:00,312 --> 01:30:03,481 ...is it's an opportunity for reality to break through. 1374 01:30:04,149 --> 01:30:06,734 People start asking questions... 1375 01:30:06,902 --> 01:30:10,321 ...and then all of the sudden, the Tillman story changes. 1376 01:30:14,951 --> 01:30:18,537 I've talked about it with my dad actually, and it was just like: 1377 01:30:18,705 --> 01:30:22,625 "It'd be really neat to have a statue of Pat where he's laughing his ass off." 1378 01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:26,128 You wanna make him a myth? 1379 01:30:26,296 --> 01:30:29,048 Go ahead and make him a myth, just be accurate with it. 1380 01:30:29,466 --> 01:30:31,967 You know, if he could walk on water in these myths... 1381 01:30:32,135 --> 01:30:34,512 ...then let him have a beer every once in a while... 1382 01:30:34,679 --> 01:30:37,598 ...and let him hang out with friends and let him be gracious... 1383 01:30:37,766 --> 01:30:40,392 ...and let him be sensitive and let him be funny... 1384 01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:43,521 ...and let him be all the things that he was. 1385 01:30:44,981 --> 01:30:46,065 When I talk about Pat-- 1386 01:30:46,233 --> 01:30:49,652 And everybody is sort of on the same page, at least, you know, the family. 1387 01:30:49,820 --> 01:30:53,405 That when you talk about Pat, he's sort of like sitting in the room with you. 1388 01:30:53,573 --> 01:30:57,326 I mean, and that's such a-- That says so much about him. 1389 01:30:57,494 --> 01:31:01,872 I can conjure his face, I can conjure his laughter. 1390 01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:06,001 You know, he just had this quality to him that he so loved life... 1391 01:31:06,169 --> 01:31:11,715 ...and he would want us to, you know, move on, move forward. 1392 01:31:11,967 --> 01:31:15,845 I feel like, at least I've done what I can for him. 1393 01:31:16,012 --> 01:31:19,431 And now, it's just the idea of just kind of moving on... 1394 01:31:19,599 --> 01:31:24,186 ...and just kind of bringing him with us, sort of. 1395 01:31:29,359 --> 01:31:31,485 A few more seconds. 1396 01:31:35,740 --> 01:31:38,617 - That's it, we're done. - All right. 1397 01:31:39,305 --> 01:32:39,733 Support us and become VIP member to remove all ads from www.OpenSubtitles.org 126236

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