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The thing that I've learnt most,
and I would...
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I would always recommend to anybody
starting out in this business
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is total and utter control.
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And to be able to retain
as much control as you humanly can
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is the... the...
The greatest power that you have.
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Male vo: Five.
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Four.
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Three.
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Two.
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One.
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Male voice crackles:
Good evening citizens of earth,
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or any other planet in the solar system.
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Tonight on your te/escreen,
we will see and hear, first—hand,
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one of man's
most momentous space adventures...
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Dramatic thud of drums
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a boy will go to the moon.
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James: I got everything
you could ever dream of.
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Crowd claps in sync
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probably made a million
by the time I was 21.
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You don't ever think
it's gonna end.
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James:
I'd love to sell a hundred million records.
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I was always a pushy motherfucker.
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Music: "Return of the original art form"
by major force
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♪ come on. Let's do it! ♪
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♪ Alright! Hey hey hey hey, hey hey! ♪
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Disc scratching:
♪ ready ready, ready ready, ready ♪
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♪ ready to roll! ♪
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Disc scratching:
♪ ready ready, re... re... ♪
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Music: "The planets, op. 32, Venus,
the bringer of peace" by Gustav holst
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James: I grew up in Oxford,
and I've always been surrounded by music.
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My grandfather was a singer
on radio two.
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My father played with the dubliners,
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which are a very influential
Irish folk band.
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My grandmother was the first woman
to be in the Irish philharmonic.
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She taught me to play the cello...
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And then I broke her heart
by getting into kung fu.
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He laughs
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jini: The friends that he went
to primary school with
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didn't seem to carry on as the friends
that he had in secondary school.
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He was too...
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He was too sort of unusual.
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He was very unusual.
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I think that happens.
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They got in an educational psychologist
to do tests on him.
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On the imaginative artistic score,
he was actually off the chart
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because he was so high.
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Reasoning and logic,
he wasn't doing very well on that.
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I mean really wasn't doing
very well on that,
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but this complete imbalance.
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His dad went off.
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James probably saw it as very abrupt.
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James: They... they got divorced
and it was horrific.
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It was like a war.
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Jini:
He was absolutely distraught.
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James: I remember seeing
this mad other universe.
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Music: "Check yo self"
remix by the message
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James:
The first record I bought was the message.
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♪ It's like a jungle sometimes
it makes me wonder ♪
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♪ how I keep from going under ♪
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James: Seeing hip hop,
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it was like seeing something alien,
you know.
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It was science fiction.
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♪ A child is born with no state of mind ♪
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♪ blind to the ways of mankind ♪
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♪ god is smiling on you
but he's frowning too ♪
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♪ because only god knows
what you gon' do ♪
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James: I was bunking off school
to go and hang out,
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to play tapes with my friends.
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It was trying to find a family identity
because your family had broken.
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Presenter: Grandmaster flash,
why do they call you flash?
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What it is, is the way that / mix,
I mix a little faster than the average dj.
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Hip hop is poetry to the beat of music.
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We used to isolate the particular section,
for example, the drummer's solo.
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Funky drum beat plays
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that's been the template,
turntable science,
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what I came up with in the early seventies.
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Dj: Said yeah.
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Man shouts out: Alright! Yeah!
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James: The whole sound system thing
was what I was really into.
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The wild bunch...
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Indistinct rapping
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James: They were my idols.
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3D the graffiti artist,
the collaborations, the design.
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They were just the coolest
motherfuckers.
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Hip hop music plays
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♪ it's the massive attack
you're on the right track ♪
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James: The wild bunch,
which then became massive attack.
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Massive attack,
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it was so influential for me
they way that they were as a band.
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I wanted to be like that.
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Telling your mum that you
wanted to be a dj...
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Record screeches
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was, "dj? No".
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He asked me if he could have all of his...
His pocket money for a year.
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Don't ask me why I said ok,
but he went to buy these turn tables,
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then he started having gigs in pubs.
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He was 14.
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How did he get to work in pubs
at that age? I mean...
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James: At15, 16,
basically just spent most of the time
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skiving off school to just go into London
to get records, you know.
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All your life was about
was buying tunes, that was it.
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He'd had enough.
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He left and finished,
and said to me "I'm going to London".
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James: I attempted to study
some business studies
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but just left college
to work in a record store.
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I started getting a reputation
for selling certain DJs' records.
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Charlie: I'm hearing
about this amazing record shop,
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and then I'm hearing, like,
there's a guy in there called James.
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He's into hip hop, jazz...
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He's collecting records.
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He's into obscure,
kind of, Japanese hip hop.
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So I'm gonna go to this place
and I'm gonna see who this dude is.
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As I walk in, there's this kid there
with the glasses on,
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and I'm just like, yo.
This is James lavelle, yeah?
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I was just like, this is the kid?
Of course it's him!
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You know, and so, you know,
we bonded over music,
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and we just kind of developed
this relationship from buying records.
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James: There was a scene going on
and I gotta infiltrate that,
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trying to get in there somehow,
trying to make your own Mark.
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Female sample: ♪ you dig? ♪
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Cameraman: Give me a word.
— a word.
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Paul: Straight no chaser
was a magazine of world jazz and jive,
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and what was emerging
out of the underground.
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It provided a hub around which
a global community evolved.
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James came in and had a chat,
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and he was this 17—year—old kid
who was hip hop "style—y."
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He said, "you need me".
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And swifty, who was sat
working next to me,
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turned round after he'd gone
and said "get him in".
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Swifty: And so James came in
to say you need me
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because you need a column with new music,
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and you could tell he wasn't, you know...
He... he wasn't a fly—by.
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Paul: We just chucked him in
at the deep end basically,
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and gave him a column,
which was mo' wax.
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Jazz music:
♪ sing it! Sing it! ♪
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Paul: The column was really good
for him, actually
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because, basically, it was a vehicle
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which was gonna go out to a lot
of different DJs around the world.
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Music:
"Talkin' loud" by incognito
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Gilles: I was getting
a little bit of a name for myself
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as a sort of, you know,
musical, kind of, archaeologist,
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pulling out the tunes
for that new generation.
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♪ Talkin' loud ♪
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♪ and saying somethin' ♪
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♪ 'bout the way we live our lives today ♪
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Gilles:
I dj at a place called dingwalls,
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doing a club, talkin' loud,
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which included everybody
who was into house music
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and had been raving the night before
or who was just into jazz tunes.
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The greatest thing about that club,
it really brought everybody together.
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♪ There's a new generation
taking up the challenge ♪
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Gilles:
There was people like James lavelle,
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coming through with a new spirit.
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I really wanted to kind of
hook up with him
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and to start something fresh and new,
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and that's really how the club,
that's how it is, appeared.
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Record scratching:
♪ that, that, th—that's how it is! ♪
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Paul: James sharing the turntables
with gilles,
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that was quite a big step for him.
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It was a barometer
of how things would change,
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finding what were the links
between different genres of music.
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Gilles: You know, joining the dots,
connecting things.
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You know, everyone used to go.
It was a real mad mix of people.
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Gilles: That was a test for him,
and he came through it really well,
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and it was an amazing time.
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You know, all these records were getting
their first rinse in that club,
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anywhere in the world.
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James: I spent a lot of time
travelling up and down the motorway
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and playing the UK
and playing other countries, djing abroad.
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He was just relentless.
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In those days, only very few people
had these vast record collections,
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comprehensive discographies of labels,
where it's like all of it.
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Crowd cheers
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Paul: He was obviously
a very good hustler,
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being the first person to hear
whatever people are doing,
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making contacts,
building a community with all his heroes.
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Audience claps
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James: I suddenly just started realising
there was this crew of people
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that wanted to change things, you know.
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Maybe the best thing to do
was to try and set up my own label.
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DJs had their labels.
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If you were a cool dj,
you had your own record label.
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Swifty:
He'd heard this track by repercussions.
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He went over to New York on a mission:
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To get a license for it.
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James:
I borrowed a thousand pounds.
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I went to New York.
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I gave a thousand pounds to the manager.
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I got the dats.
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Came back with the license
and the master tapes.
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He'd asked me to design the logo.
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James:
I got a deal with a distributor
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and pressed the record.
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My name's James lavelle,
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and I run a record label in the UK
called mo'wax recordings.
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Um, and that's kind of what I do,
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is my "styl—o".
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That is my shit, mo'wax, baby.
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At that time,
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the music industry and dj culture
was locked down by the old guards.
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It was just like a closed door, you know.
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I always really admired his kind of,
"I'm gonna get this done
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regardless of how many obstacles
are in my way",
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and he's given me the opportunity
to make records.
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I literally had a conversation,
got signed to mo'wax,
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made a record, it came out.
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I never made demos.
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Pablo:
The psychonauts, we were just dj kids.
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We had got signed to mo'wax.
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You know, I was this kid that grew up
being into star wars,
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then started scratching records
and collecting hip hop.
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You know, I was a dreamer,
where I came from,
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looking at James, like...
James was god, you know.
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James turned everything into gold.
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You know, going through
your teenage years is hard enough.
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Trying to run a business?
Must have been really hard for him.
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I mean, you've got to always
remind yourself he was a teenager.
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James: It was very hypothetical.
It was a bit of a mad dream.
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It wasn't even like work.
It was just like non—stop mucking about.
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I don't even know what work we did.
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I can't even remember.
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James did make it up as he went along
because he was really young.
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You know, none of us had done it before.
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James: If anything went wrong,
it was always down to you being young.
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Now when you're successful,
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it's like, "you're really young.
Wow, you've done really well".
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So, it kind of...
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I think people take it seriously
and people don't, you know.
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I don't know.
I don't really have that problem.
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I think if you're good
at what you do, you're good.
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I was very much on my own.
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It was just kind of me and swifty,
who did all the graphics.
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Music:
"Coast to coast" by mistura
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And I wanted to set up something
which was like a fast record label,
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releasing records just, bang.
Ching, ching, ching. Just like, on point.
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Bang. Ching, ching, ching.
Ching, ching, ching.
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Gift of gab:
More wax, more records, more music.
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You gotta credit James lavelle
239
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with being the first person
outside of our crew
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who really believed in us
and believed in our sound, genuinely,
241
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and was able to give us a shot
and put our music out,
242
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so, you know,
shout out to James lavelle.
243
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The thing that was dope about James
is that he just had a vision.
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The mo'wax sound, to me,
was one of just forward movement.
245
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I'll credit him with being
one of the truly great a&r men
246
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of the nineties.
247
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At the moment,
people that are signed to mo'wax are:
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Blackalicious...
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Hip hop music: ♪ a dooby and a skin,
funky break beats and rhyme ♪
250
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Attica blues...
251
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Jazz music plays
252
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Dr. Octagon...
253
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Hip hop music: ♪ Dr. Octagon
paramedic foetus of the east ♪
254
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La funk mob...
255
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House music plays
256
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rpm...
257
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Music: "Flow" by rpm
258
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the psychonauts...
259
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Trip hop music plays
260
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dj krush...
261
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Slow trip hop music plays
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Heidi: The mo'wax office,
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there's so many people
coming and going all the time.
264
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It was like a meeting ground
for all these different types of music
265
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and from all over the world.
266
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Interviewer:
What's the secret of your success?
267
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If you send me a cheque...
268
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With a large sum of money
to 167 caledonian road, London,
269
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I'll tell all of you.
270
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No, um, the secret of my success
is a very strong identity.
271
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Futura: I basically
was a famous graffiti artist when I was 18.
272
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You know, if you ask people like,
"have you ever heard of futura?"
273
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Like, "oh shit. He's... he's dope".
274
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I was recognised. I had no success.
275
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I mean, I had no... I was broke.
276
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And then turns out James
knew a lot about our culture.
277
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We just started talking
about what we could do together.
278
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Heidi:
James had tracked futura down,
279
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and he was working
in a photocopy shop in New York.
280
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We went out and bought
hundreds of aerosols.
281
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Futura arrived off the plane,
282
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and we set him up in a broom cupboard,
and he just painted in there.
283
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He was just like handing us artwork.
284
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I mean, it was incredible.
285
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Futura: James was delivering this kind of
complete thing to his audience.
286
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He was really a pioneer.
287
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I was always like, you know,
if my label fell apart tomorrow,
288
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I'd rather have a load of nice looking
records at home.
289
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Also, I brought in people like 3D,
from massive attack.
290
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Paul: Everyone was completely
mesmerised by their artwork.
291
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It was a boutique label
292
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before people even knew
what a boutique label was.
293
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Rob... Rob...
294
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James has wasted a lot of my money
basically, over the years, um...
295
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And a lot of my time, as well,
to be honest.
296
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Woman laughs — it's been a...
297
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Difficult relationship but, well,
you know...
298
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But, you know, I'm sticking with it
for another couple of years at least.
299
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Pablo: Mo'wax was the label
that really spoke to everyone,
300
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like techno, drum and bass,
hip hop and acid jazz.
301
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Mo'wax was the label
that brought them people back together.
302
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It was doing what hadn't been done.
303
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Charlie: This guy's
doing something different.
304
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All these other people
just trying to follow
305
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what's happening in... in New York,
306
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and at some point,
we're all gonna wake up and realise
307
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that we are not from the Bronx.
308
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I'm living in south London,
I don't have a gold chain,
309
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I don't have a firearm,
I don't have a Jeep,
310
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um, I don't have cash in my...
I... I'm overdrawn.
311
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Like, I don't have any of the trappings
312
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that any of these hip hop records
that I'm so obsessed with
313
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are talking about.
314
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You know, I need something new.
315
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Expect from mo'wax that we are a,
inverted commas,
316
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trip hop instrumental hip hop label.
317
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Dj shadow:
♪ rock died out and then came pop ♪
318
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♪ now you're living in the world
of trip hop. ♪
319
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Swifty: What people call trip hop:
The hip hop, soul, reggae vibe,
320
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the slowing down of the beats,
for the head nodders, for the stoners.
321
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It would be very easy for us
to just kind of commercialise on the...
322
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On the trip hop thing and just be like,
that's... that's our shit,
323
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but it doesn't help your artists,
'cos everybody sounds the same.
324
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Nobody's gonna break out the pack.
325
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I'd rather have a label
full of individual people.
326
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Interviewer:
327
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James:
328
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I'd rather not go into it anymore.
329
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Just leave it, that question,
if it's alright
330
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cos I... I just kind of feel now that,
you know.
331
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There are a couple of particularly
famous acts around at the moment,
332
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that one was heavily involved in.
333
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You're an independent with, you know,
that can give them a grand.
334
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It doesn't work.
335
00:21:15,917 --> 00:21:17,837
For me the only way
that I could feel comfortable
336
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in what I was doing
was to team up with a major
337
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and have that financial backing,
338
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that the next time
an act that I wanted came along,
339
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I didn't have to worry about it.
I could just be like...
340
00:21:28,584 --> 00:21:30,626
There. Let's just go.
341
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Osman: A&m records
was one of the great independent labels,
342
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and the idea was to tap
an existing artistic community
343
00:21:38,834 --> 00:21:41,167
that was making great music.
344
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Mo'wax was the first on our list.
345
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James was thinking really, really big.
346
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He really thought like
great record moguls.
347
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We offered him a great home
at a&m records.
348
00:21:55,834 --> 00:21:57,417
Airhorn sounds
349
00:21:57,501 --> 00:21:59,792
pioneering trip hop label, mo'wax,
350
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is the brainchild of a young man
barely into his twenties,
351
00:22:02,626 --> 00:22:03,751
called James la vel/e.
352
00:22:04,084 --> 00:22:07,334
He's recently signed the label over
for a small fortune to a&ll/I.
353
00:22:08,584 --> 00:22:12,084
Interviewer: Are you rich?
— am I rich? Am I rich?
354
00:22:12,167 --> 00:22:13,209
Do I look rich?
355
00:22:15,584 --> 00:22:16,751
Ask my accountant.
356
00:22:18,084 --> 00:22:20,352
Interviewer: I thought you would be.
— I can't say things like that.
357
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Tax man's watching mtv all the time.
358
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Damn.
359
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Couple of hundred grand,
360
00:22:27,584 --> 00:22:30,542
which I suppose if you're 21,
lot of money, huh?
361
00:22:31,417 --> 00:22:33,001
Looked really good on paper, mate.
362
00:22:33,084 --> 00:22:37,042
They had a lot of freedom
to build an independent label
363
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within the structure of a major,
364
00:22:40,167 --> 00:22:41,584
which was quite mad at the time.
365
00:22:42,376 --> 00:22:44,042
Charlie: I guess, like anything,
366
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when you start something
to rebel against the system,
367
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eventually what happens
is you become successful,
368
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and then the system comes to find you.
369
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And then the system says,
"you're doing really good now.
370
00:22:52,876 --> 00:22:55,227
Do you wanna come and eat at the table?"
And you always say "yes"
371
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because you only rebelled
against the system
372
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because the system wouldn't allow you in,
in the first place.
373
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So, the deal comes with a&m.
374
00:23:05,459 --> 00:23:08,334
He hired a guy to manage it all
called Steve finan.
375
00:23:08,792 --> 00:23:11,626
Clearly, he was a different breed,
quite ruthless.
376
00:23:12,084 --> 00:23:16,251
I quickly sussed out
that that was the end for me.
377
00:23:17,001 --> 00:23:18,251
The thing that annoyed me
378
00:23:18,334 --> 00:23:21,584
was that James didn't really
have the bottle to tell me to my face.
379
00:23:22,376 --> 00:23:24,584
He got finan to do his dirty work for him.
380
00:23:25,542 --> 00:23:28,334
Major label,
deal with the bullshit, the money.
381
00:23:28,834 --> 00:23:29,876
Everybody's happy.
382
00:23:30,251 --> 00:23:31,542
I get on with doing the music.
383
00:23:32,792 --> 00:23:33,834
No problem.
384
00:23:35,001 --> 00:23:38,792
Steve: I think swifty was a bit aggrieved,
but at the same time...
385
00:23:41,584 --> 00:23:45,459
It can be stressful, you know,
it can be stressful working with James,
386
00:23:45,542 --> 00:23:49,542
because he's always looking
for the next thing
387
00:23:49,626 --> 00:23:51,626
that people are gonna think is cool.
388
00:23:51,709 --> 00:23:52,709
That doesn't mean to say
389
00:23:52,792 --> 00:23:55,084
that swifty's not the best thing
since sliced bread.
390
00:23:55,542 --> 00:23:59,292
Swifty: It did kind of piss me off
that I lost a friend rather than a client.
391
00:24:00,542 --> 00:24:01,834
We were his friends, yeah.
392
00:24:01,917 --> 00:24:03,501
Well, we thought we were his friends.
393
00:24:05,959 --> 00:24:08,876
Charlie: You know,
I came into mo'wax as James' friend.
394
00:24:09,334 --> 00:24:10,751
Now I can't get hold of you?
395
00:24:11,001 --> 00:24:13,751
It's not a handshake and a spliff anymore,
you know what I mean?
396
00:24:13,917 --> 00:24:15,084
Those days are over.
397
00:24:15,167 --> 00:24:17,501
Those are the beginnings
of the music industry changing.
398
00:24:17,584 --> 00:24:18,626
Labels were merging.
399
00:24:19,209 --> 00:24:24,501
Steve: James was prepared
to put himself on the line without fear.
400
00:24:25,167 --> 00:24:28,876
It was remarkable
what James achieved at an early age.
401
00:24:29,542 --> 00:24:32,751
It is just about keeping your ear
to the ground constantly, you know,
402
00:24:33,417 --> 00:24:37,292
test the barriers of music
and create something new.
403
00:24:37,376 --> 00:24:38,959
Music:
"Best foot forward" by dj shadow
404
00:24:39,042 --> 00:24:40,602
man:
♪ oh hold up, before we get started ♪
405
00:24:40,626 --> 00:24:42,501
Woman: ♪ guess who's coming. ♪
— um...
406
00:24:42,584 --> 00:24:44,102
Woman: ♪ guess who's coming. ♪
— James: Um...
407
00:24:44,126 --> 00:24:45,709
♪ It's... ♪ — dj shadow...
408
00:24:46,751 --> 00:24:47,751
Dj shadow.
409
00:24:47,792 --> 00:24:48,667
Disc scratches
410
00:24:48,751 --> 00:24:49,917
voice booms: ♪ dj shadow ♪
411
00:24:52,334 --> 00:24:53,376
Does it say record?
412
00:24:53,792 --> 00:24:54,959
James: I met dj shadow,
413
00:24:55,042 --> 00:24:59,376
and that revolutionised
and changed the sound now.
414
00:25:02,292 --> 00:25:05,501
Music: "Rivers of my fathers"
by Gil Scott heron
415
00:25:10,667 --> 00:25:13,876
James: Dj shadow's like an instrumental,
progressive hip hop thing.
416
00:25:13,959 --> 00:25:16,417
This is our shit and nobody can...
You know, this is...
417
00:25:16,501 --> 00:25:18,792
Suddenly, you...
You know, you find your own thing,
418
00:25:19,501 --> 00:25:21,251
and it's so much more important to you.
419
00:25:21,876 --> 00:25:24,459
It's so much more special
because that's your shit.
420
00:25:24,542 --> 00:25:25,542
Do you know what I mean?
421
00:25:30,417 --> 00:25:33,126
Steve: James, if he wanted something,
he would go and get it.
422
00:25:33,626 --> 00:25:37,084
He would get on a plane
and go and knock on shadow's door.
423
00:25:37,167 --> 00:25:38,084
Doorbell rings
424
00:25:38,167 --> 00:25:39,209
dj shadow: Dj shadow.
425
00:25:40,209 --> 00:25:43,001
Dj shadow:
James came out to San Francisco.
426
00:25:48,251 --> 00:25:50,667
James: This is my first, like,
major video footage.
427
00:25:50,751 --> 00:25:53,167
It's been christened
in Josh's home of beats.
428
00:25:53,251 --> 00:25:55,459
Music: "See and don't see"
by Marie "queenie" lyons
429
00:25:55,542 --> 00:25:56,959
♪ the only way ♪
430
00:25:59,959 --> 00:26:02,584
James: Aw, look at that.
— ♪ how to get through to you ♪
431
00:26:03,667 --> 00:26:05,751
Chief xcel:
Man, you've been buying a lot of records.
432
00:26:05,834 --> 00:26:08,674
Dj shadow: The par/our of mystery.
— chief xcel: The par/our of mystery.
433
00:26:08,876 --> 00:26:10,167
James: This is dope, you know.
434
00:26:10,459 --> 00:26:12,376
We could, like, record this shit
435
00:26:12,459 --> 00:26:15,084
and you can download it
onto fucking Internet shit.
436
00:26:16,042 --> 00:26:17,292
We were so similar,
437
00:26:17,376 --> 00:26:19,542
our absolute obsession
of collecting records.
438
00:26:19,834 --> 00:26:21,792
We'd go to San Francisco
every other month,
439
00:26:21,876 --> 00:26:23,417
and we'd go record shopping.
440
00:26:28,001 --> 00:26:30,542
I just wanna shoot this.
This is so dope, you know.
441
00:26:31,001 --> 00:26:32,251
It's crazy this place.
442
00:26:32,542 --> 00:26:33,709
It's so amazing.
443
00:26:36,626 --> 00:26:37,667
This is classic.
444
00:26:38,834 --> 00:26:40,876
I was very close to shadow.
445
00:26:40,959 --> 00:26:43,709
I mean, I... you know,
he was my brother, and I loved him.
446
00:26:44,251 --> 00:26:47,001
You know, I loved... I loved...
Loved everything he did,
447
00:26:47,084 --> 00:26:49,751
and uh, it was a beautiful time,
448
00:26:49,834 --> 00:26:52,459
and it was an innocent time,
and anything was possible.
449
00:26:55,876 --> 00:26:57,516
Dj shadow:
I'm gonna leave my water there.
450
00:26:57,584 --> 00:27:01,376
James: So you know where it is.
The water marks the last spot discovered.
451
00:27:02,542 --> 00:27:07,876
Another day, another batch of samples,
you know.
452
00:27:11,792 --> 00:27:14,917
Dj shadow: My way of working,
everything's from a record.
453
00:27:17,376 --> 00:27:21,126
I'd find something I thought
had interesting qualities as a loop.
454
00:27:21,209 --> 00:27:24,751
I had to kind of sample
each word or phrase
455
00:27:24,834 --> 00:27:26,917
and just play with it within the mp0
456
00:27:27,001 --> 00:27:29,042
to get it to all line up
the way I wanted it.
457
00:27:29,334 --> 00:27:30,542
It was time consuming.
458
00:27:30,917 --> 00:27:31,959
James: Music's changed.
459
00:27:32,042 --> 00:27:37,001
You don't have to have had ten years
practising a guitar and playing the piano
460
00:27:37,084 --> 00:27:38,251
to be able to make a record.
461
00:27:38,751 --> 00:27:42,126
Kids can just get on a sampler
and do the same thing.
462
00:27:42,751 --> 00:27:47,459
Dj shadow: James' mandate to me was just:
"I want that out there" stuff.
463
00:27:47,834 --> 00:27:50,001
Everybody else was telling me
to dumb it down.
464
00:27:50,334 --> 00:27:54,251
As an artist you need somebody to be like,
you know, go with your strength.
465
00:27:54,334 --> 00:27:55,376
I needed that.
466
00:27:55,459 --> 00:27:57,792
Music: "Edge of time"
by the growing concern
467
00:28:04,834 --> 00:28:07,126
James: Fed—ex package comes,
got the dats,
468
00:28:07,584 --> 00:28:09,084
and I sat down and played the album,
469
00:28:09,584 --> 00:28:12,167
and it was just one of those moments
where you were like,
470
00:28:12,459 --> 00:28:15,542
fuck. This is a masterpiece.
471
00:28:31,542 --> 00:28:32,584
Man: Do you wanna listen?
472
00:28:32,667 --> 00:28:34,751
Music:
"Organ donor" by dj shadow
473
00:29:06,251 --> 00:29:10,376
Steve: As a piece of art,
entroducing was incredibly important,
474
00:29:10,917 --> 00:29:13,709
and you know you've...
You've got something special.
475
00:29:14,334 --> 00:29:15,917
♪ I have just recently cleared up ♪
476
00:29:20,167 --> 00:29:22,407
Music: "Building steam
with a grain of salt" by dj shadow
477
00:29:22,959 --> 00:29:28,042
Paul: The use of sampling in shadow's work
was completely mind blowing.
478
00:29:28,584 --> 00:29:31,501
It was a complete headfuck, you know.
People were going, "what?!"
479
00:29:32,126 --> 00:29:34,084
James: That was a record
that most people told me
480
00:29:34,167 --> 00:29:37,667
was not gonna work,
and that was the turning point for mo'wax.
481
00:29:38,209 --> 00:29:41,126
You suddenly think, well you know,
I'm just gonna do what I wanna do.
482
00:29:41,459 --> 00:29:44,959
If I don't challenge myself
and try the next level of things,
483
00:29:45,376 --> 00:29:48,001
where does it all go?
It just gets a bit boring after a while.
484
00:29:48,834 --> 00:29:51,292
Echoing: ♪ u.N.K, u.N.K, I.E ♪
485
00:29:54,334 --> 00:29:57,459
James:
Most bands start from hypothetical dreams.
486
00:29:57,751 --> 00:29:59,542
Sampled voice:
Put aside the everyday world
487
00:29:59,626 --> 00:30:02,126
and come with us
into the realm of imagination.
488
00:30:02,792 --> 00:30:05,626
I'm not your father Luke: I'm in unkle.
489
00:30:06,959 --> 00:30:09,126
James:
Unkle, which is my project,
490
00:30:09,209 --> 00:30:11,126
and we worked
with various different people.
491
00:30:11,626 --> 00:30:13,501
Dj shadow:
I was beginning to work on unkle.
492
00:30:14,167 --> 00:30:17,334
Here we are in the studios,
and um...
493
00:30:18,417 --> 00:30:21,751
That, I need to do
just exactly what it is that / do.
494
00:30:22,334 --> 00:30:26,084
James' genius was connecting the dots,
495
00:30:26,167 --> 00:30:28,542
convincing people
that he has a really good idea.
496
00:30:28,876 --> 00:30:33,251
Steve: Shadow's doing all the music.
James' role is more editorial.
497
00:30:34,959 --> 00:30:37,542
Futura:
When James first used the two characters,
498
00:30:37,626 --> 00:30:40,167
he was like,
"wow. That could be the identity
499
00:30:40,251 --> 00:30:42,459
for this group I'm trying to do", and...
500
00:30:42,917 --> 00:30:46,084
The world of my characters
took on the persona of them.
501
00:30:46,167 --> 00:30:49,709
Music: "Lonely soul"
by unkle feat. Richard ashcroft
502
00:30:52,667 --> 00:30:53,917
James: I had this concept.
503
00:30:54,001 --> 00:30:56,626
I wanted to make a record
which was like a film.
504
00:30:57,084 --> 00:31:01,292
I was heavily inspired by 2001,
star wars and blade runner.
505
00:31:01,376 --> 00:31:02,626
Crackly voice: Science fiction.
506
00:31:02,709 --> 00:31:05,709
James: What I was desperately pushing for
was to have my heroes.
507
00:31:06,209 --> 00:31:09,792
Osman: James, he had, kind of,
epic fantasies about big albums,
508
00:31:09,876 --> 00:31:15,751
an unbelievable idea of a Sonic journey
that combined art and music.
509
00:31:16,084 --> 00:31:17,959
James:
We'd hooked up with Richard ashcroft.
510
00:31:18,042 --> 00:31:19,876
"Great. Let's do some music together."
511
00:31:19,959 --> 00:31:22,334
♪ God knows you're lonely souls ♪
512
00:31:23,667 --> 00:31:24,959
♪ yeah, yeah ♪
513
00:31:30,626 --> 00:31:34,542
That song, / think we 're both
pretty proud of, um...
514
00:31:34,751 --> 00:31:35,831
Like the bench... it was...
515
00:31:35,876 --> 00:31:38,501
For us, it was definitely
a benchmark thing for the record
516
00:31:38,584 --> 00:31:41,834
because it set the record up,
to know that we...
517
00:31:43,084 --> 00:31:45,042
Could... that we could pass...
518
00:31:45,126 --> 00:31:48,001
We could achieve possibly
what we set out to do.
519
00:31:48,292 --> 00:31:51,292
Paul: Suddenly, there's
a slightly different league of people
520
00:31:51,376 --> 00:31:52,376
that he is working with.
521
00:31:52,417 --> 00:31:53,617
Music: "Guns blazing" by unkle
522
00:31:53,667 --> 00:31:58,042
sampled voice: ♪ somewhere in space,
this may all be happening right now ♪
523
00:32:01,834 --> 00:32:05,584
Man: ♪ technical surveillance,
this is u.N.K.L.E. 77 ♪
524
00:32:05,667 --> 00:32:08,084
♪ I'm requesting permission to land.
Do you copy? ♪
525
00:32:08,167 --> 00:32:09,917
♪ Roger that. You're clear for landing. ♪
526
00:32:11,084 --> 00:32:13,917
Kool g rap: ♪ styles like al Pacino,
Reno until the borsellino ♪
527
00:32:14,001 --> 00:32:16,626
♪ the mad dino with the bambino,
the gambino ♪
528
00:32:16,709 --> 00:32:19,042
James: Alright, guns blazin'
features kool g rap.
529
00:32:19,126 --> 00:32:23,584
His voice, his timing, what he's saying,
I always really admired him.
530
00:32:24,334 --> 00:32:27,584
♪ You got the smoking section
first—class tickets to resurrection ♪
531
00:32:27,667 --> 00:32:30,167
♪ forever destined to a place where...
Never restin' ♪
532
00:32:31,251 --> 00:32:34,626
Music: "Nursery rhyme/breather"
by unkle
533
00:32:38,709 --> 00:32:40,185
they were really struggling
with the project
534
00:32:40,209 --> 00:32:43,209
'cos it was so big and they said
would I do it,
535
00:32:43,292 --> 00:32:45,334
and I was like right
at the start of my career,
536
00:32:45,751 --> 00:32:47,084
and I said I'd give it a go.
537
00:32:48,042 --> 00:32:51,626
♪ Does it mean I never let you know?
Each time I turn inside ♪
538
00:32:52,042 --> 00:32:54,876
♪ when I fully grow, I'll outsize you ♪
539
00:32:55,209 --> 00:32:58,751
Steve: When the badly drawn boy's
recordings going on, James is bored.
540
00:32:59,084 --> 00:33:02,834
James phones osmond, middle of the night,
crying on the phone to him.
541
00:33:03,251 --> 00:33:04,792
Osmond gives him his credit card.
542
00:33:06,417 --> 00:33:07,459
We never saw him again.
543
00:33:07,751 --> 00:33:09,126
Steve laughs: Just gone.
544
00:33:12,834 --> 00:33:14,876
James:
Parties every night by then.
545
00:33:14,959 --> 00:33:16,376
Every night you were out.
546
00:33:16,459 --> 00:33:19,209
There was just that whole sort of
party scene that was going on,
547
00:33:19,626 --> 00:33:21,542
musicians and artists
and everybody.
548
00:33:21,917 --> 00:33:24,709
It was like the explosion
of youth culture,
549
00:33:24,792 --> 00:33:26,959
and we were right there
in the middle of it, you know.
550
00:33:27,126 --> 00:33:30,876
You know, it was just
really fucking exciting, but fucking messy.
551
00:33:31,209 --> 00:33:33,501
I can't remember a lot
to be honest with you.
552
00:33:34,334 --> 00:33:36,084
There was a cocaine epidemic.
553
00:33:37,084 --> 00:33:40,376
You've hung out with a fair few
excessive types in your time, James.
554
00:33:40,917 --> 00:33:43,518
Isn't it the gal/aghers and stuff?
James: Oh right, ok. Here we go.
555
00:33:43,542 --> 00:33:44,542
Jo: Is that right?
556
00:33:44,959 --> 00:33:47,959
Tell... tell me if I'm wrong. Have...
Have you been down the path of excess?
557
00:33:48,501 --> 00:33:50,584
I've had good times
and I've had bad times.
558
00:33:51,292 --> 00:33:53,251
I dunno, man.
It's all rock and roll, isn't it?
559
00:33:53,334 --> 00:33:54,417
Jo laughs
560
00:33:55,042 --> 00:33:56,768
Charlie: You've got everything
you've ever wanted.
561
00:33:56,792 --> 00:33:59,632
All your heroes, basically...
Being the guy that everyone wants to know.
562
00:34:00,084 --> 00:34:01,834
You've got a chance
of hanging out with me
563
00:34:01,917 --> 00:34:03,209
or hanging out with Kate moss.
564
00:34:03,667 --> 00:34:06,042
Alright, cool.
You're gonna go hang out with Kate moss.
565
00:34:06,126 --> 00:34:08,376
His whole spectre of people
that he's hanging out with
566
00:34:08,459 --> 00:34:11,376
starts to change,
and we weren't part of that.
567
00:34:11,834 --> 00:34:13,334
Dj shadow: James?
— leave me alone.
568
00:34:13,584 --> 00:34:15,417
Just go away. I'm tired.
569
00:34:16,042 --> 00:34:17,251
Dj shadow laughs
570
00:34:18,084 --> 00:34:20,501
dj shadow: Throw a tantrum.
I wanna get a tantrum on tape.
571
00:34:20,584 --> 00:34:21,917
James: Josh, it's not funny.
572
00:34:22,001 --> 00:34:24,126
Dj shadow: Nobody likes when / film.
Why is that?
573
00:34:24,209 --> 00:34:26,459
Pablo:
James did the drugs, the partying...
574
00:34:26,751 --> 00:34:30,167
Shadow never drank,
never smoked, never partied.
575
00:34:30,251 --> 00:34:33,334
Completely polar opposites as characters.
576
00:34:33,876 --> 00:34:36,356
Dj shadow: I think everybody
felt like they were out on a limb.
577
00:34:36,459 --> 00:34:38,667
James: We just wait another month
for thom yorke.
578
00:34:38,751 --> 00:34:40,751
You know,
I'll get hold of Mike d eventually.
579
00:34:40,876 --> 00:34:43,459
I knew that Josh
was really going a bit mad about it.
580
00:34:43,959 --> 00:34:47,667
Charlie: James is like, "ok,
I wanna do a tune with the Beastie Boys",
581
00:34:47,751 --> 00:34:50,501
and we're like, "yeah, of course you do
582
00:34:50,792 --> 00:34:53,334
because they're like
the biggest hip hop band in the world,
583
00:34:53,626 --> 00:34:56,251
and you, with your obscure self...
584
00:34:56,876 --> 00:34:57,935
Yeah, of course they are...
585
00:34:57,959 --> 00:35:01,876
And he's like, "I'm gonna call them up".
And we're like, "what do you mean?"
586
00:35:01,959 --> 00:35:04,709
He's like,
"I'm gonna call the Beastie Boys up".
587
00:35:05,042 --> 00:35:06,792
And he did it. This is a serious dude.
588
00:35:07,167 --> 00:35:08,709
That was really inspiring to watch.
589
00:35:08,792 --> 00:35:10,602
Music: "The knock" by unkle feat. Mike d
♪ check it out ♪
590
00:35:10,626 --> 00:35:12,792
Mike d:
♪ I got a little story to tell ♪
591
00:35:12,876 --> 00:35:15,417
♪ with dj shadow and James lavelle ♪
592
00:35:15,501 --> 00:35:18,084
♪ it starts right now in history ♪
593
00:35:18,167 --> 00:35:20,751
♪ and I am known as the rapper Mike d ♪
594
00:35:21,001 --> 00:35:24,209
James: We started working
on some demos for Mike d.
595
00:35:24,292 --> 00:35:25,542
♪ Unkle style ♪
596
00:35:29,709 --> 00:35:31,084
♪ unkle style ♪
597
00:35:31,334 --> 00:35:33,751
♪ come on. Break it... down. ♪
598
00:35:34,626 --> 00:35:37,751
♪ Lavelle be getting down with no delay ♪
599
00:35:47,209 --> 00:35:49,970
James: The only way to get thom yorke
was that he was touring america.
600
00:35:50,042 --> 00:35:51,959
He was gonna be in San Francisco
for two days.
601
00:35:52,042 --> 00:35:54,167
Book a studio.
He'll do it the day before his show.
602
00:35:55,001 --> 00:35:56,792
Thom: James lavelle,
a good friend of ours,
603
00:35:56,876 --> 00:35:58,334
has a sort of outfit called unkle.
604
00:35:58,584 --> 00:35:59,876
We 'd talked about it for ages,
605
00:35:59,959 --> 00:36:03,001
and, uh, shadow is sort of a genius,
basically,
606
00:36:03,084 --> 00:36:04,126
and one of my heroes.
607
00:36:04,459 --> 00:36:07,167
So to get to work with him is...
Is a big kick.
608
00:36:08,001 --> 00:36:11,001
We did it in San Francisco
and did it in George Lucas' place:
609
00:36:11,084 --> 00:36:12,834
Skywalker ranch.
610
00:36:13,667 --> 00:36:15,709
James: So dope, this place.
611
00:36:16,084 --> 00:36:17,334
It's crazy though, isn't it?
612
00:36:17,417 --> 00:36:19,602
It's just like you've...
You've just invented your own...
613
00:36:19,626 --> 00:36:20,667
Your own world.
614
00:36:21,876 --> 00:36:23,560
Dj shadow:
I think I was at a certain level,
615
00:36:23,584 --> 00:36:27,584
where I really needed to work
with someone in a real close way,
616
00:36:27,667 --> 00:36:30,084
and it did feel good to work
with other people in...
617
00:36:30,167 --> 00:36:32,959
In that, you know, some of my best work
could come from that.
618
00:36:41,501 --> 00:36:43,334
In that time in the mid—nineties,
619
00:36:43,417 --> 00:36:48,126
this was before you had a lot of those,
kind of, rock—electronic collaborations,
620
00:36:48,209 --> 00:36:49,667
and there was no formula.
621
00:36:49,792 --> 00:36:51,667
Nobody quite knew how to deal with it.
622
00:36:52,209 --> 00:36:53,376
There was no road map.
623
00:37:07,126 --> 00:37:09,167
Thom:
624
00:37:09,251 --> 00:37:11,667
Dj shadow:
625
00:37:11,751 --> 00:37:14,376
Music: "Rabbit in your headlights"
by unkle feat. Thom yorke
626
00:37:16,626 --> 00:37:20,042
thom: ♪ fat bloody fingers ♪
627
00:37:21,209 --> 00:37:27,167
♪ are sucking your soul... away ♪
628
00:37:29,376 --> 00:37:30,584
♪ away ♪
629
00:37:32,334 --> 00:37:33,376
♪ away ♪
630
00:37:35,501 --> 00:37:36,542
♪ away... ♪
631
00:37:38,667 --> 00:37:40,542
It was the first time that I felt like,
632
00:37:40,626 --> 00:37:43,251
ok, James, I think I see
where you're going with this.
633
00:37:43,376 --> 00:37:45,376
Horn sounds out
634
00:37:46,167 --> 00:37:49,751
thom sings:
♪ I'm a rabbit in your headlights ♪
635
00:37:51,626 --> 00:37:56,209
♪ Christian suburbanite ♪
636
00:37:56,542 --> 00:37:59,584
♪ washed down the toilet ♪
637
00:38:01,542 --> 00:38:04,459
♪ money to burn ♪
638
00:38:06,417 --> 00:38:09,334
James: Films in general influence me
when I make music,
639
00:38:09,417 --> 00:38:12,417
when you lose yourself in things
and you're taken on a ride,
640
00:38:12,501 --> 00:38:13,584
this mad journey.
641
00:38:13,792 --> 00:38:15,959
It just leaves so much
to the imagination.
642
00:38:16,417 --> 00:38:18,497
That's to me what it's all about,
it's kind of dreams
643
00:38:18,542 --> 00:38:20,751
and going into another world,
another space.
644
00:38:20,834 --> 00:38:22,251
Nice coat, pal.
645
00:38:23,376 --> 00:38:26,167
♪ Caught between stations ♪
646
00:38:26,959 --> 00:38:28,542
♪ I'm losing my Patience ♪
647
00:38:28,626 --> 00:38:31,334
James: Mtv banned the video
because he looked too real,
648
00:38:32,084 --> 00:38:33,959
and it was just like, "ok".
649
00:38:34,501 --> 00:38:35,834
This is James all over, right,
650
00:38:35,917 --> 00:38:37,709
it's... it's the most award winning video,
651
00:38:38,251 --> 00:38:41,584
but when you're trying to have a hit
record, a video that cannot be shown...
652
00:38:41,917 --> 00:38:44,084
It's like, no one's gonna play it.
653
00:38:44,917 --> 00:38:47,167
James: Suddenly it was like
managers kicking off.
654
00:38:47,626 --> 00:38:49,417
Richard ashcroft was signed to virgin.
655
00:38:49,751 --> 00:38:53,167
Why would they allow us
to put a single out on our label?
656
00:38:53,251 --> 00:38:54,584
It was just never gonna happen.
657
00:38:54,959 --> 00:38:57,834
So many people involved,
and so many managers involved,
658
00:38:57,917 --> 00:38:59,876
and so many labels involved,
659
00:38:59,959 --> 00:39:01,001
and lawyers involved.
660
00:39:07,709 --> 00:39:08,751
Dj shadow: Here he is,
661
00:39:09,376 --> 00:39:10,626
the man with the plan.
662
00:39:12,792 --> 00:39:13,667
He sighs
663
00:39:13,751 --> 00:39:15,709
do you wanna get a drink
or something upstairs?
664
00:39:15,792 --> 00:39:16,834
Dj shadow: Sure. — yeah?
665
00:39:16,917 --> 00:39:19,959
Dj shadow: Um, I could tell everybody
was dancing around something,
666
00:39:20,042 --> 00:39:21,084
but I didn't know what.
667
00:39:21,751 --> 00:39:25,542
And um, basically,
I was sat down in finan's office,
668
00:39:25,959 --> 00:39:30,292
James entered the room
and they got down to brass tacks about...
669
00:39:31,084 --> 00:39:34,459
You know, so what are the writers' splits
gonna be between you and James.
670
00:39:35,167 --> 00:39:37,709
I was standing up for myself
not so tactfully,
671
00:39:37,792 --> 00:39:40,334
saying,
"you're not touching my writer credits".
672
00:39:41,876 --> 00:39:43,126
James: It was all my idea.
673
00:39:43,667 --> 00:39:46,334
The people involved in that record
and everything about it.
674
00:39:47,084 --> 00:39:49,167
I was the one that had brought
all this together.
675
00:39:49,459 --> 00:39:51,084
The bottom line, it's the ideas.
676
00:39:51,709 --> 00:39:52,834
It was a concept record.
677
00:39:53,876 --> 00:39:56,143
Dj shadow: I didn't think
it was going to be as controversial
678
00:39:56,167 --> 00:39:57,917
as it was for James.
679
00:39:58,001 --> 00:40:01,042
Showing up at a studio
and kind of checking in once in a while
680
00:40:01,126 --> 00:40:02,542
and going, "how's it all going?"
681
00:40:02,626 --> 00:40:04,792
Is not the same as sitting down
and making a beat.
682
00:40:05,292 --> 00:40:08,126
Most a&r men don't get writer credit.
683
00:40:15,667 --> 00:40:18,667
James: That process from beginning to end
was like a two year process.
684
00:40:18,751 --> 00:40:21,834
Quite an amazing feat
that we got that record done, I think.
685
00:40:21,917 --> 00:40:23,667
Music: Unkle By unkle
686
00:40:24,584 --> 00:40:28,084
sample: ♪ an adventure
unlike anything on your planet ♪
687
00:40:33,542 --> 00:40:36,417
Welcome back. Now even
by the standards of the music industry,
688
00:40:36,501 --> 00:40:40,334
the advance notices for 'psyence fiction'
have been extraordinary.
689
00:40:40,417 --> 00:40:42,393
Male presenter:
Only just out and the critical buzz
690
00:40:42,417 --> 00:40:44,542
over unkle's 'psyence fiction' album
691
00:40:44,626 --> 00:40:46,542
has been a music executive's dream.
692
00:40:47,417 --> 00:40:50,001
If the unkle release
can unite rock and dance fans
693
00:40:50,084 --> 00:40:51,084
in enough numbers,
694
00:40:51,459 --> 00:40:52,876
it 'i/ make la vel/e mil/ions
695
00:40:53,126 --> 00:40:56,167
and open up a huge
new market of consumers for m0 'wax.
696
00:40:56,459 --> 00:40:58,376
Last night, at least, they seemed happy.
697
00:40:58,542 --> 00:41:00,626
Audience claps and cheers
698
00:41:02,959 --> 00:41:06,709
sample: ♪ you are the first
human beings to ever travel so far ♪
699
00:41:07,376 --> 00:41:11,001
♪ all people of the solar system
congratulate you ♪
700
00:41:11,459 --> 00:41:13,376
Man: James lavelle
was this force of nature.
701
00:41:13,459 --> 00:41:15,251
Man 2:
Epic and defining the nineties.
702
00:41:15,334 --> 00:41:17,934
Presenter: Unkle special tonight.
— news reader: Five star review.
703
00:41:17,959 --> 00:41:20,060
Man 3: Big landmark release.
— man 2: The next big thing.
704
00:41:20,084 --> 00:41:22,042
Distorted voice: U.N.K.L.E!
705
00:41:22,417 --> 00:41:24,751
James: The media coverage was crazy
on that record.
706
00:41:28,042 --> 00:41:30,709
Else where in pop world,
a new sort of group called unkle
707
00:41:30,792 --> 00:41:33,084
has just released,
well, not an album exactly,
708
00:41:33,167 --> 00:41:35,626
this is the sort of record
that longs to be called a project.
709
00:41:35,959 --> 00:41:39,959
The record was recorded as a...
As a 60—minute experience,
710
00:41:40,042 --> 00:41:43,417
rather than just an individual,
single—based project.
711
00:41:43,876 --> 00:41:46,709
James lavelle is the talkative one
and Josh Davies is the guy
712
00:41:46,792 --> 00:41:49,392
who appears to have spent
way to much time in the studio with him.
713
00:41:49,501 --> 00:41:53,042
During the 'hello nasty' sort of recording,
714
00:41:53,126 --> 00:41:55,486
we used to have this bet
who's gonna finish the album first.
715
00:41:55,667 --> 00:41:59,501
Ok, now we have...
Now we know we can achieve something here.
716
00:42:00,376 --> 00:42:02,542
And we've got a benchmark
to base everything else,
717
00:42:02,626 --> 00:42:04,626
so, you know, to base around,
you know, what...
718
00:42:04,917 --> 00:42:06,959
What else we need to achieve.
719
00:42:07,376 --> 00:42:08,417
They won.
720
00:42:10,792 --> 00:42:11,876
Money's in the post mate.
721
00:42:12,626 --> 00:42:13,667
The men from unkle...
722
00:42:14,001 --> 00:42:16,084
Cheering and clapping
723
00:42:16,167 --> 00:42:19,459
presenter: Featuring LAN brown
and dj shadow, it's unkle.
724
00:42:19,584 --> 00:42:23,459
Voice over radio: ♪ u.N.K.L.E requesting
permission to land. Do you copy? ♪
725
00:42:23,542 --> 00:42:24,876
Ian: I was in stone roses.
726
00:42:24,959 --> 00:42:26,751
Stone roses finished, and, uh,
727
00:42:26,834 --> 00:42:28,751
James said
he was putting together a record.
728
00:42:29,209 --> 00:42:31,959
So we took the track
called 'unreal' from the album,
729
00:42:32,584 --> 00:42:35,417
uh, put lyrics on it
and made it into 'be there'
730
00:42:35,501 --> 00:42:37,667
and released that as a single.
731
00:42:37,751 --> 00:42:39,459
Next thing we were on top of the pops.
732
00:42:40,959 --> 00:42:43,584
James: Top of the pops,
you grow up with these things as a kid,
733
00:42:43,667 --> 00:42:44,876
you're like, wow, you know.
734
00:42:45,334 --> 00:42:48,251
Dj shadow: There became the issue of,
well, what's James gonna do?
735
00:42:48,334 --> 00:42:51,501
And I said, "well, why don't you play
a few notes on the mellotron then?"
736
00:42:51,584 --> 00:42:53,501
And it was just three notes, if I recall,
737
00:42:53,584 --> 00:42:57,667
but at least he'd be up there
with an instrument and doing that.
738
00:42:58,292 --> 00:43:00,667
James: The idea was
that we were both gonna dj,
739
00:43:00,751 --> 00:43:05,626
but Josh wouldn't have it that I dj,
and, uh, you know,
740
00:43:05,709 --> 00:43:09,042
shadow's view of me being
just an a&r man and not an artist,
741
00:43:09,417 --> 00:43:10,959
and I had to then play the mellotron.
742
00:43:11,042 --> 00:43:12,917
That was very degrading for me.
743
00:43:20,001 --> 00:43:22,376
♪ You don't want to go there ♪
744
00:43:22,459 --> 00:43:24,667
♪ let me lead you by the hand ♪
745
00:43:24,751 --> 00:43:27,251
♪ you don't want to be there ♪
746
00:43:27,334 --> 00:43:29,334
♪ over the sea and onto land ♪
747
00:43:29,626 --> 00:43:32,751
♪ as I look into your eyes
I pay no mind ♪
748
00:43:32,834 --> 00:43:35,959
♪ I found the way to get inside you ♪
749
00:43:36,376 --> 00:43:39,542
♪ I'd give you peace of mind ♪
750
00:43:46,167 --> 00:43:47,459
James: It was a top ten single,
751
00:43:47,626 --> 00:43:49,792
and it was one of the most
played records that year.
752
00:43:51,001 --> 00:43:53,042
I went against everybody and I won.
753
00:43:53,584 --> 00:43:55,626
Bang. Ching, ching, ching.
754
00:43:55,709 --> 00:43:57,917
Ching, ching, ching. Ching, ching, ching.
755
00:43:59,126 --> 00:44:00,292
Psyence fiction time...
756
00:44:01,292 --> 00:44:02,501
It was...
757
00:44:02,959 --> 00:44:04,626
He wants to do clothes.
758
00:44:06,917 --> 00:44:09,584
Charlie: Now everyone has a collaboration
with a brand.
759
00:44:09,667 --> 00:44:12,584
In those days, people didn't do it.
You didn't even know how to do it.
760
00:44:12,667 --> 00:44:14,376
You know, his trainer game was on point.
761
00:44:17,667 --> 00:44:19,067
Steve:
Next thing we're making toys.
762
00:44:19,126 --> 00:44:21,126
Music: "Unreal" by unkle
763
00:44:28,876 --> 00:44:32,417
Did I ever think that mo'wax
were gonna start making toys? No.
764
00:44:32,501 --> 00:44:33,876
Was I surprised that it happened?
765
00:44:34,376 --> 00:44:37,417
Most definitely not,
because that was the culture at the time.
766
00:44:41,959 --> 00:44:44,334
Dom:
He started when he was very young.
767
00:44:44,792 --> 00:44:46,959
There is something teenage
about the whole thing.
768
00:44:47,209 --> 00:44:50,251
He kind of made a career
out of being a perpetual adolescent.
769
00:44:51,042 --> 00:44:53,834
You've got a problem
if the owner of the label,
770
00:44:53,917 --> 00:44:56,251
wants to be the main artist on the label.
771
00:44:56,626 --> 00:44:59,227
You got other people going, "well, hang on.
Where's he gonna put the money?
772
00:44:59,251 --> 00:45:00,834
On your record or his own record?"
773
00:45:01,751 --> 00:45:04,292
My artist versus commerce problem.
774
00:45:05,167 --> 00:45:08,542
Um... I'm working
on the future of my life.
775
00:45:10,834 --> 00:45:14,709
Paul: This conflict
between how far does your vision go
776
00:45:14,792 --> 00:45:18,876
in relation to the people
who actually make your vision a reality.
777
00:45:19,376 --> 00:45:22,334
Dj shadow: James really wanted
to be like his artists.
778
00:45:22,876 --> 00:45:26,251
The more he wanted to,
kind of, be a rock star,
779
00:45:26,334 --> 00:45:29,167
the more that alienated
a lot of his artists.
780
00:45:29,501 --> 00:45:32,834
I find it kind of strange that the man
who's fronting this record
781
00:45:33,251 --> 00:45:35,626
is essentially an a&b man
and a record label boss
782
00:45:35,709 --> 00:45:36,751
and not a musician.
783
00:45:37,126 --> 00:45:40,209
And so the actual creative input
that he '3 had on this record
784
00:45:40,667 --> 00:45:43,084
is actually getting people to be on it,
785
00:45:43,709 --> 00:45:47,959
and that is seen
as some kind of giant artistic effort,
786
00:45:48,042 --> 00:45:49,584
which strikes me as kind of weird.
787
00:45:50,251 --> 00:45:51,292
Um...
788
00:45:51,667 --> 00:45:52,751
Jo: James?
789
00:45:53,667 --> 00:45:57,959
Bea/ly pathetic that a magazine
like the nme can sit there,
790
00:45:58,209 --> 00:46:00,626
the way they'll have
Robbie Williams and the spice girls
791
00:46:00,709 --> 00:46:02,251
on the front cover of these magazines,
792
00:46:03,001 --> 00:46:04,917
yet the whole idea of these magazines
793
00:46:05,001 --> 00:46:07,751
is that they're there
to support new alternative.
794
00:46:07,834 --> 00:46:09,501
Nme rep:
No. I don't appreciate that.
795
00:46:11,001 --> 00:46:13,084
Jo: / was just gonna say
the nme, and o, and...
796
00:46:16,501 --> 00:46:19,459
James: It started off
as this amazing fanfare of:
797
00:46:19,542 --> 00:46:23,251
“It defines the nineties”,
and then suddenly it was like,
798
00:46:23,334 --> 00:46:25,334
they fucking hated me,
799
00:46:25,626 --> 00:46:27,459
and the review of psyence fiction was,
800
00:46:27,542 --> 00:46:29,334
who the fuck
does James lavelle think he is?
801
00:46:29,417 --> 00:46:31,876
And this is the worst collaborative record
of all time.
802
00:46:33,084 --> 00:46:34,584
They were hyping this record
803
00:46:34,667 --> 00:46:38,209
for years and years... and years
and years and years before it came out,
804
00:46:38,292 --> 00:46:41,334
and all of it was like
a million years in the making.
805
00:46:41,417 --> 00:46:43,751
They'd built this album out
to be so much.
806
00:46:43,834 --> 00:46:46,417
It was putting a lot of pressure
on himself.
807
00:46:47,209 --> 00:46:49,126
Ian:
I think what's tricky for James
808
00:46:49,209 --> 00:46:52,042
is the fact that he was super successful
as a young guy.
809
00:46:52,376 --> 00:46:53,834
There's a lot of jealousy here.
810
00:46:53,917 --> 00:46:57,834
I think most of them would prefer
to see him fall than see him go up.
811
00:46:58,917 --> 00:47:02,417
Pablo: Before he got to enjoy the fruits
of being young and having some success,
812
00:47:02,501 --> 00:47:04,084
everybody had fucking destroyed it.
813
00:47:04,709 --> 00:47:07,459
Echoing: ♪ u.N.K, u.N.K, I.E ♪
814
00:47:13,334 --> 00:47:15,102
James: Osman pulled
the whole company together,
815
00:47:15,126 --> 00:47:17,167
and he's like,
"James, I wanna play lonely soul".
816
00:47:17,459 --> 00:47:18,376
"Ok..."
817
00:47:18,459 --> 00:47:20,792
Music: "Lonely soul" by unkle
818
00:47:21,167 --> 00:47:23,001
it... it... it was a dark moment
819
00:47:23,084 --> 00:47:26,376
because polygram, financially,
was under a lot of pressure.
820
00:47:26,792 --> 00:47:30,751
I heard about a&m
and island being merged.
821
00:47:31,376 --> 00:47:34,876
They felt that two art house labels
could be one.
822
00:47:35,459 --> 00:47:38,876
That's when I thought
it was the beginning of the end.
823
00:47:38,959 --> 00:47:42,792
James: Osman did this speech
about why fucking a&m's getting shut down.
824
00:47:43,542 --> 00:47:44,667
Uh...
825
00:47:44,751 --> 00:47:45,792
Fuck.
826
00:47:46,792 --> 00:47:51,376
♪ I'm a lonely soul ♪
827
00:47:58,501 --> 00:47:59,542
That deal...
828
00:48:00,751 --> 00:48:03,792
Ended, and the deal with a&m ended,
829
00:48:03,876 --> 00:48:06,917
uh, so a&m got folded into island.
830
00:48:07,001 --> 00:48:09,292
This structure that we'd had
didn't exist anymore.
831
00:48:09,501 --> 00:48:11,876
We'd always had mo'wax
trademarked in our name,
832
00:48:11,959 --> 00:48:14,292
so we had the name,
but as far as any catalogue
833
00:48:14,376 --> 00:48:16,542
or anything like that, we had nothing.
834
00:48:16,792 --> 00:48:19,251
Uh, all the people
that were signed to mo'wax,
835
00:48:19,334 --> 00:48:21,917
now they were signed to island,
same with unkle.
836
00:48:22,751 --> 00:48:23,792
Same with unkle.
837
00:48:24,001 --> 00:48:25,876
We didn't really have a label
at that point.
838
00:48:28,042 --> 00:48:30,167
Starting again was...
839
00:48:31,626 --> 00:48:32,917
Difficult.
840
00:48:34,167 --> 00:48:36,667
Pablo:
The industry was destroying everyone.
841
00:48:36,751 --> 00:48:40,167
The whole polygram merger
was the first big bang
842
00:48:40,542 --> 00:48:42,084
that knocked the music scene.
843
00:48:42,584 --> 00:48:44,167
Paul: It was horrible...
844
00:48:45,209 --> 00:48:47,376
Uh, total shit storm.
845
00:48:48,334 --> 00:48:52,084
I can't see how that album came together
846
00:48:52,167 --> 00:48:54,417
and James walked away
with no writing credit.
847
00:48:54,626 --> 00:48:56,417
He wouldn't earn a penny.
848
00:48:57,751 --> 00:49:00,001
Heidi: James was naive...
849
00:49:01,209 --> 00:49:04,917
But that was one of his assets, I think...
850
00:49:06,084 --> 00:49:07,126
Naivety.
851
00:49:08,084 --> 00:49:11,126
James: All this stuff happening
and you were going from a young kid
852
00:49:11,626 --> 00:49:13,459
to suddenly you're like a fucking adult.
853
00:49:13,876 --> 00:49:17,292
I was 24,
the end of everybody being together.
854
00:49:18,292 --> 00:49:21,751
Sampled voice:
♪ a ticket to nothingness ♪
855
00:49:28,876 --> 00:49:29,876
Hopefully, yeah.
856
00:49:29,959 --> 00:49:32,959
It's not between me and mo'wax.
It's between mo'wax and polygram.
857
00:49:34,001 --> 00:49:38,001
Dj shadow: We were bound by contract
to a bigger label than mo'wax.
858
00:49:38,542 --> 00:49:41,334
James was upset
about losing all his artists.
859
00:49:42,292 --> 00:49:45,584
He made it out in his head
that everybody was against him
860
00:49:45,667 --> 00:49:47,417
and that all his artists left him.
861
00:49:47,501 --> 00:49:50,001
Right after 'en troducing ',
I went right into unkle.
862
00:49:51,876 --> 00:49:53,626
Unkle, unkle, unkle,
unkle, unkle.
863
00:49:54,084 --> 00:49:55,126
I'm taking a break.
864
00:49:56,376 --> 00:49:57,584
Unkle had to tour.
865
00:49:58,126 --> 00:50:01,167
I wasn't interested in touring
as part of unkle,
866
00:50:01,251 --> 00:50:03,001
so I wasn't involved.
867
00:50:04,001 --> 00:50:06,751
James: He wiped his hands clean of it,
which was just mad, you know,
868
00:50:06,834 --> 00:50:08,251
after all this work and everything.
869
00:50:08,334 --> 00:50:10,167
He just fucking disappeared, you know.
870
00:50:10,251 --> 00:50:13,126
It was like everybody just
wiped their hands clean of it, you know.
871
00:50:13,209 --> 00:50:17,042
Dj shadow: James and mine relationship
had changed. I could feel it.
872
00:50:17,126 --> 00:50:20,126
It... it just was really complicated
emotionally.
873
00:50:20,751 --> 00:50:23,167
James: It was the height
of mine and Josh's relationship,
874
00:50:23,251 --> 00:50:24,501
and then the...
875
00:50:25,376 --> 00:50:26,417
The end of it really.
876
00:50:30,167 --> 00:50:32,334
They were gonna do
an album launch in L.A.,
877
00:50:32,709 --> 00:50:36,167
and James rings the psychonauts up
two days, three days before,
878
00:50:36,542 --> 00:50:37,959
and Josh didn't turn up,
879
00:50:38,667 --> 00:50:39,709
and he didn't come back.
880
00:50:40,334 --> 00:50:44,126
And he flew us out, and we played
the psyence fiction album launch party.
881
00:50:44,751 --> 00:50:47,042
I think that was pretty unfair on James.
882
00:50:47,834 --> 00:50:52,334
Osman: That split changed
the course of that movement,
883
00:50:52,417 --> 00:50:56,751
because James was like the brain
and dj shadow was like the heart.
884
00:50:57,251 --> 00:51:00,542
Psyence fiction being
the great masterpiece,
885
00:51:00,751 --> 00:51:02,626
but also the end point of an era.
886
00:51:08,876 --> 00:51:11,185
James: Being in... in a musical
relationship when you're young,
887
00:51:11,209 --> 00:51:13,268
there's an idea that,
you know, that first kind of love
888
00:51:13,292 --> 00:51:15,709
and you... you have a dream,
and it would've been nice
889
00:51:15,792 --> 00:51:18,667
to have been able
to see that dream to the end.
890
00:51:18,751 --> 00:51:20,917
Sad violin music:
"Lonely soul" by unkle
891
00:51:38,292 --> 00:51:41,459
Voice over radio:
We have lost contact with u. N. K.L.E.
892
00:51:41,959 --> 00:51:43,376
Is anybody out there, copy?
893
00:51:56,542 --> 00:51:59,334
Music: "Napalm brain/ scatter brain"
by dj shadow
894
00:52:03,751 --> 00:52:06,626
James: I had this romance,
which was just like perfect.
895
00:52:06,709 --> 00:52:09,542
You know, I'd met
the woman of my dreams, Janet.
896
00:52:09,876 --> 00:52:12,042
Absolutely blindly in love.
897
00:52:12,417 --> 00:52:15,084
We were engaged within three months.
898
00:52:19,167 --> 00:52:20,209
James?
899
00:52:26,501 --> 00:52:28,459
You're so annoying, / really want some.
900
00:52:28,542 --> 00:52:31,001
Now's my time. Now's my time.
901
00:52:45,209 --> 00:52:48,542
Jini lavelle: I think having Lyla
at the beginning was extremely difficult.
902
00:52:48,792 --> 00:52:51,459
In a very profound relationship,
903
00:52:51,542 --> 00:52:54,167
you have a kid, and you're still so young,
904
00:52:54,251 --> 00:52:58,334
and you're trying to create a career
and be a businessman.
905
00:52:58,584 --> 00:53:02,834
To push... as... as far as you can.
906
00:53:03,459 --> 00:53:05,709
How... how... how do you do all of that?
907
00:53:08,292 --> 00:53:09,334
Boo.
908
00:53:09,417 --> 00:53:12,709
James: Every day you're in a nightclub,
or in... you're in a studio.
909
00:53:13,001 --> 00:53:14,709
It's... it's a total way of life,
910
00:53:14,792 --> 00:53:19,376
but there are obviously other things
that are really important in life, as well,
911
00:53:19,459 --> 00:53:20,501
and I think that...
912
00:53:21,042 --> 00:53:22,084
Um...
913
00:53:23,084 --> 00:53:26,126
Trying to find that balance
is kind of my greatest struggle really.
914
00:53:29,584 --> 00:53:31,501
You get knocked down
and you pick yourself up
915
00:53:31,584 --> 00:53:33,209
and at the end, you know, hope...
916
00:53:33,292 --> 00:53:36,209
You know, hopefully you walk away
and you win in some way.
917
00:53:36,501 --> 00:53:40,209
Steve finan got him a home
at beggars banquet,
918
00:53:40,292 --> 00:53:42,584
and their flagship label, xl.
919
00:53:43,084 --> 00:53:44,834
Martin:
When we started working with mo'wax,
920
00:53:45,251 --> 00:53:48,251
xl could bring
a kind of paternalistic independence,
921
00:53:48,334 --> 00:53:50,167
if you like, to mo'wax
922
00:53:50,251 --> 00:53:52,959
in a way that would allow it
to be reborn and flourish.
923
00:53:53,334 --> 00:53:56,292
It was really down to James
to repopulate the a&r
924
00:53:56,376 --> 00:53:58,042
with a new generation of artists.
925
00:53:58,126 --> 00:54:00,251
It was business as usual really.
926
00:54:00,334 --> 00:54:02,042
Got a nice new office in notting hill,
927
00:54:02,126 --> 00:54:04,001
bought his expensive furniture again.
928
00:54:04,084 --> 00:54:06,501
He always had his toys
and everything round it.
929
00:54:06,584 --> 00:54:07,876
He laughs
930
00:54:09,584 --> 00:54:11,459
extra terrestrial whirring
931
00:54:15,126 --> 00:54:18,376
voice: ♪ u.N.K.L.E,
this is off—road mission control ♪
932
00:54:21,292 --> 00:54:22,959
Rich:
We met about eight years ago.
933
00:54:23,042 --> 00:54:26,292
Over the years / worked with mo'wax.
We just hit it off.
934
00:54:26,376 --> 00:54:28,542
Unkle sounds,
our dj outfit come out of that,
935
00:54:28,626 --> 00:54:30,876
through us living together.
It was fun, you know...
936
00:54:30,959 --> 00:54:33,919
Interviewer: You lived in the same house
and didn't get into fights at all?
937
00:54:34,001 --> 00:54:35,334
Rich: Yeah, loads. — laughter
938
00:54:35,792 --> 00:54:37,552
rich:
It was a good time, and um, it was fun.
939
00:54:39,834 --> 00:54:42,209
James enabled people that he saw
940
00:54:42,292 --> 00:54:44,751
had the potential to be creative,
to be creative,
941
00:54:44,834 --> 00:54:46,935
who potentially...
Who might not have had the opportunity
942
00:54:46,959 --> 00:54:49,001
had it not been for his trust.
943
00:54:49,792 --> 00:54:52,292
James: I love rich, you know.
He was my best friend.
944
00:54:52,709 --> 00:54:54,417
He was such an amazing
character.
945
00:54:54,709 --> 00:54:56,292
This would be great:
Rich could sing.
946
00:54:56,376 --> 00:54:59,459
He could become somebody in the band
that, sort of, nobody knows.
947
00:54:59,542 --> 00:55:01,352
Disc scratches:
♪ the awesome... return. Unkle! ♪
948
00:55:01,376 --> 00:55:03,292
Rock music:
"Morning rage" by unkle
949
00:55:05,459 --> 00:55:07,917
♪ what was it all about ♪
950
00:55:08,209 --> 00:55:11,334
♪ something's turned me inside out ♪
951
00:55:11,876 --> 00:55:14,292
James: It's about giving people freedom
to be creative,
952
00:55:14,542 --> 00:55:17,709
working with people
that have a voice and say something,
953
00:55:17,792 --> 00:55:20,501
and it's about giving those people
that space to do that.
954
00:55:24,459 --> 00:55:25,792
James: That is wicked, man/
955
00:55:28,917 --> 00:55:29,959
that is amazing!
956
00:55:36,501 --> 00:55:37,751
Rich: That was mental, mate.
957
00:55:37,834 --> 00:55:39,834
Antony: That was vibe central.
— rich: Sweet.
958
00:55:39,917 --> 00:55:41,727
Rich: That's not something
that happens every day,
959
00:55:41,751 --> 00:55:43,751
Jarvis cocker and Brian eno turning up.
960
00:55:44,292 --> 00:55:47,084
Antony:
Doctors' cocker and eno surgery:
961
00:55:50,042 --> 00:55:52,542
James,
I thought he has big beautiful eyes,
962
00:55:53,167 --> 00:55:56,084
and then he took his glasses off
and I realised they were that small.
963
00:55:58,917 --> 00:56:00,584
Josh:
Shall we, ya know, rock and roll?
964
00:56:00,667 --> 00:56:02,126
He goes, "I sent you a song,
965
00:56:02,209 --> 00:56:05,334
and I want you to take a look at it
and see if we can collaborate, you know",
966
00:56:05,417 --> 00:56:08,501
and the song went:
Bom—bom—bom—bom, bu—bom,
967
00:56:08,584 --> 00:56:11,209
bom, bu—bom—bom—bom—bom,
bom—bom—bom—bom...
968
00:56:11,834 --> 00:56:12,876
For three minutes.
969
00:56:15,501 --> 00:56:19,251
And I was like,
"hey James I got news for ya:
970
00:56:21,001 --> 00:56:23,542
That ain't a goddamn song yet",
you know what I mean.
971
00:56:23,792 --> 00:56:28,334
But he was, like, adamant.
He was like, "yeah. It is".
972
00:56:29,126 --> 00:56:34,292
That sort of excitement and possibility,
to me that's the essence of dj culture.
973
00:56:34,542 --> 00:56:36,292
You may not have made this sample,
974
00:56:36,376 --> 00:56:38,959
you may not have made those drums
or sang that,
975
00:56:39,042 --> 00:56:41,959
but when you put 'em together,
they're something new,
976
00:56:42,042 --> 00:56:44,251
and there's an artistry to that.
977
00:56:45,876 --> 00:56:48,167
Don't get me wrong,
most DJs are fucking retarded...
978
00:56:48,251 --> 00:56:49,459
Laughter in room
979
00:56:53,251 --> 00:56:56,501
but the great DJs
are a real fucking thing,
980
00:56:56,834 --> 00:56:58,459
the great combiner of things.
981
00:56:58,542 --> 00:56:59,834
Music: "Safe in mind" by unkle
982
00:56:59,917 --> 00:57:05,042
♪ don't you go ♪
983
00:57:05,584 --> 00:57:12,167
♪ to turn around ♪
984
00:57:12,626 --> 00:57:15,751
James: Wrote the song in half hour,
sung in one take, and there you have it.
985
00:57:15,834 --> 00:57:18,334
♪ Someone's found a way ♪
986
00:57:19,001 --> 00:57:22,209
♪ to break into my mind ♪
987
00:57:22,876 --> 00:57:27,334
Rich: James had recently met Antony genn,
who co—produced the record.
988
00:57:28,792 --> 00:57:31,310
Antony: You know, he wants me
to be involved in a record. Great.
989
00:57:31,334 --> 00:57:33,334
And then we got into the studio
and started working
990
00:57:33,417 --> 00:57:37,334
and, obviously,
it was very clear that, um...
991
00:57:38,709 --> 00:57:40,834
As brilliant as James is at some things,
992
00:57:41,792 --> 00:57:43,542
writing music wouldn't be one of them.
993
00:57:43,626 --> 00:57:45,542
I got to do pretty much what I wanted.
994
00:57:45,792 --> 00:57:47,512
So we 'i/ just do
a couple of takes of this,
995
00:57:47,584 --> 00:57:49,959
for like, three or four minutes
of a go, yeah?
996
00:57:51,251 --> 00:57:52,709
Would that be ok with you?
997
00:57:53,042 --> 00:57:54,834
James:
It just sort of all came together,
998
00:57:54,917 --> 00:57:57,626
a snowball that starts really small
and just keeps going round
999
00:57:57,709 --> 00:57:59,602
and picking up more, and more,
and more, and more,
1000
00:57:59,626 --> 00:58:01,542
and by the end, it's out of control.
1001
00:58:02,334 --> 00:58:03,959
The way that I like working.
1002
00:58:04,292 --> 00:58:06,917
♪ No pain, no gain ♪
1003
00:58:07,001 --> 00:58:08,935
Music: "No pain, no gain"
by unkle feat. Keith flint
1004
00:58:08,959 --> 00:58:10,084
♪ no gain ♪
1005
00:58:10,626 --> 00:58:11,667
♪ no pain... ♪
1006
00:58:11,959 --> 00:58:14,751
Antony:
No pain, no gain with Keith flint,
1007
00:58:14,834 --> 00:58:16,167
the fucking fire starter,
1008
00:58:16,584 --> 00:58:19,042
and uh, he came in the studio.
We had a right laugh.
1009
00:58:19,126 --> 00:58:20,167
It was wicked.
1010
00:58:20,334 --> 00:58:22,001
Rich:
It doesn't always go that easy.
1011
00:58:24,292 --> 00:58:25,584
That voom, voom thing.
1012
00:58:25,667 --> 00:58:27,310
Antony: Yeah,
that's the best bit in the tune.
1013
00:58:27,334 --> 00:58:29,751
James: You think so?
— Antony: What, you don't like that bit?
1014
00:58:29,834 --> 00:58:31,893
James: It's just one of those things...
I do and! Don't.
1015
00:58:31,917 --> 00:58:33,667
I'm finding it really hard,
it kind of...
1016
00:58:34,334 --> 00:58:36,251
I'm worried about it just being
too cheesy.
1017
00:58:36,501 --> 00:58:37,501
Antony: Um...
1018
00:58:39,501 --> 00:58:41,977
James: / don't want it to suddenly
sort of be like a limp bizkit record,
1019
00:58:42,001 --> 00:58:43,643
which is what it kind of
starts reminding me of
1020
00:58:43,667 --> 00:58:45,626
when / hear that beginning.
That scares me.
1021
00:58:45,709 --> 00:58:46,751
Antony: Um...
1022
00:58:47,584 --> 00:58:48,584
James:
1023
00:58:58,292 --> 00:58:59,334
Antony: Well...
1024
00:59:00,584 --> 00:59:04,084
James: Um, there was a lot of pain
in the creative process.
1025
00:59:04,542 --> 00:59:06,268
You know, there was a lot of beauty
from that,
1026
00:59:06,292 --> 00:59:07,834
but they were tough records to make.
1027
00:59:07,917 --> 00:59:10,376
Music: "Reign" by unkle
1028
00:59:17,292 --> 00:59:20,376
♪ And if you could have said it all ♪
1029
00:59:20,459 --> 00:59:24,709
♪ I know you would have said it all ♪
1030
00:59:25,001 --> 00:59:28,709
♪ I am the rain ♪
1031
00:59:28,792 --> 00:59:31,001
Epic violin music plays
1032
01:00:03,084 --> 01:00:05,959
Music: "Back and forth" by unkle
1033
01:00:06,042 --> 01:00:08,751
voice echoing:
♪ never, never land ♪
1034
01:00:09,542 --> 01:00:10,792
Paul sighs
1035
01:00:11,001 --> 01:00:15,001
I don't think it was a bad record,
but as a follow up to psyence fiction,
1036
01:00:15,876 --> 01:00:17,001
I don't think it cut it.
1037
01:00:22,417 --> 01:00:27,459
Psyence fiction, it wasn't something
that I ever wanted to compete against.
1038
01:00:29,167 --> 01:00:31,667
Interviewer: Dj shadow's not
on this album, uh, how come?
1039
01:00:33,251 --> 01:00:36,917
James: Um, he's just got his own things,
you know, doing his own things.
1040
01:00:46,042 --> 01:00:49,251
Rich: The Keith flint song,
there was an instant buzz around it,
1041
01:00:49,334 --> 01:00:54,959
and the record company were super excited
about the smell of commercial success.
1042
01:00:55,876 --> 01:00:57,756
Antony: James didn't wanna put it
on the record.
1043
01:00:57,834 --> 01:00:59,376
He said "it's cheesy".
1044
01:01:00,126 --> 01:01:02,209
This was a record
that was costing a lot of money.
1045
01:01:02,292 --> 01:01:03,209
This is a business.
1046
01:01:03,292 --> 01:01:05,852
You've gotta turn something on.
You need something to hang it on.
1047
01:01:06,876 --> 01:01:08,167
Maybe they could've had a hit.
1048
01:01:08,584 --> 01:01:12,084
Rich: The record label were very upset
as a result of us pulling that song.
1049
01:01:13,417 --> 01:01:16,001
We did start rehearsing
to play the record live,
1050
01:01:16,084 --> 01:01:18,376
but the record label,
they'd lost interest in us,
1051
01:01:18,459 --> 01:01:21,251
so we were left with no way
of playing live.
1052
01:01:21,584 --> 01:01:24,334
The budget that we were offered
wasn't gonna do that.
1053
01:01:24,417 --> 01:01:26,709
So I feel like the record
could only go so far
1054
01:01:26,792 --> 01:01:28,334
in terms of who it connected with.
1055
01:01:31,459 --> 01:01:34,042
James:
Uh, you know, island dropped us.
1056
01:01:35,709 --> 01:01:39,542
I ended up going nearly bankrupt
because I went way beyond the advance.
1057
01:01:45,959 --> 01:01:48,417
Pablo: At that point,
you're at the beginning of piracy.
1058
01:01:48,584 --> 01:01:53,876
Vinyl mo'wax,
people weren't really buying wax anymore.
1059
01:01:54,667 --> 01:01:56,376
The mp3 was killing us all.
1060
01:01:57,042 --> 01:02:00,626
Martin: James had nailed
the, kind of, record as an artefact.
1061
01:02:01,084 --> 01:02:04,209
Um, and obviously the artefact
doesn't really exist in the digital world.
1062
01:02:12,626 --> 01:02:15,626
James: Everybody had picked up
on the mo'wax success.
1063
01:02:15,709 --> 01:02:19,167
Anything that I tried to sign,
everybody else tried to sign.
1064
01:02:19,626 --> 01:02:21,209
Mo'wax was in debt.
1065
01:02:21,917 --> 01:02:25,959
Pablo: James was still spending
huge amounts of money, you know.
1066
01:02:26,042 --> 01:02:27,084
I mean...
1067
01:02:28,126 --> 01:02:29,334
He signed south.
1068
01:02:29,751 --> 01:02:32,251
They spent over a quarter
of a million pounds on south,
1069
01:02:32,334 --> 01:02:35,459
and this is a band that nobody knows
or nobody's heard of.
1070
01:02:36,709 --> 01:02:40,792
James: When I went into xl,
they weren't records which were hitting.
1071
01:02:41,417 --> 01:02:42,876
The records weren't selling.
1072
01:02:43,209 --> 01:02:44,251
It was a failure.
1073
01:02:46,084 --> 01:02:47,292
Rich: Slowly, but surely,
1074
01:02:47,376 --> 01:02:50,209
the decisions were being made
without his consent,
1075
01:02:50,501 --> 01:02:51,834
or even without his knowledge.
1076
01:02:52,417 --> 01:02:55,334
Martin: Uh, James
is a very difficult character to manage
1077
01:02:55,417 --> 01:02:56,643
because he's such an individual.
1078
01:02:56,667 --> 01:03:00,292
He's, you know, all over the place, and...
Which is what makes him great.
1079
01:03:01,001 --> 01:03:04,376
He... he wouldn't be unemployable
as a creative genius Maverick,
1080
01:03:04,459 --> 01:03:06,709
if there was a role within a company
for that,
1081
01:03:06,792 --> 01:03:08,751
but maybe those... those, uh...
1082
01:03:09,917 --> 01:03:12,251
Those existences have to be
outside the mainstream.
1083
01:03:17,251 --> 01:03:19,042
Steve:
He wanted to be the artist,
1084
01:03:19,126 --> 01:03:22,917
so the label just became dormant
and he was on his own.
1085
01:03:30,542 --> 01:03:35,584
James: The... the death of mo'wax
was a very, um, sad, traumatic experience.
1086
01:03:35,667 --> 01:03:37,626
I just walked away
'cos I couldn't deal with it.
1087
01:03:39,251 --> 01:03:43,209
Nathan:
James lavelle is defined by mo'wax records,
1088
01:03:43,292 --> 01:03:47,751
and bringing together
that magic moment of synergy and zeitgeist.
1089
01:03:47,834 --> 01:03:50,001
The psyence fiction success,
1090
01:03:50,084 --> 01:03:51,834
what a wonderful thing to have happened.
1091
01:03:52,042 --> 01:03:56,334
What a terrible burden to wake up
the next year and make new work.
1092
01:03:56,751 --> 01:03:59,167
If you'd shone so bright
at such an early age,
1093
01:03:59,251 --> 01:04:02,209
I think to try and sustain that,
to reinvent that,
1094
01:04:02,292 --> 01:04:03,334
it's really difficult.
1095
01:04:03,834 --> 01:04:06,126
It's not that easy.
It's... it's almost impossible.
1096
01:04:07,084 --> 01:04:09,751
Paul: When you suddenly realise
you're not gonna get paid
1097
01:04:09,834 --> 01:04:12,959
for something you've invested
a whole chunk of your life in,
1098
01:04:13,584 --> 01:04:16,876
then you have to re—evaluate
how you get paid.
1099
01:04:21,376 --> 01:04:23,136
Dom: In the early nineties,
he was more known
1100
01:04:23,209 --> 01:04:24,626
as playing downbeat stuff.
1101
01:04:25,292 --> 01:04:28,001
He totally reinvented himself
as a house dj...
1102
01:04:28,084 --> 01:04:31,126
That's where the money is —
But did it in a very cool lavelle way.
1103
01:04:31,209 --> 01:04:33,126
House music: ♪ pure energy ♪
1104
01:04:34,292 --> 01:04:36,667
We spent a hell of a lot of time
at fabric in those days.
1105
01:04:37,167 --> 01:04:40,584
James: I was a resident for five years
at fabric, every Friday night.
1106
01:04:41,292 --> 01:04:45,501
It was a very good time,
but it was a very long five year weekend.
1107
01:04:48,209 --> 01:04:52,501
Escapism, this Peter Pan thing
where you always wanna stay young
1108
01:04:52,584 --> 01:04:54,001
and have a certain freedom,
1109
01:04:54,334 --> 01:04:56,626
rich:
Always parties. It was just non—stop.
1110
01:04:56,917 --> 01:04:59,126
I did used to get quite excited.
1111
01:04:59,459 --> 01:05:02,209
One time, a bouncer stopped me
killing myself.
1112
01:05:11,001 --> 01:05:12,841
James: It can't always just be
up all the time.
1113
01:05:13,501 --> 01:05:16,209
When reality kicks in,
coming down is always the problem.
1114
01:05:19,042 --> 01:05:20,542
I mean he's lucky he's alive.
1115
01:05:21,834 --> 01:05:22,876
Really.
1116
01:05:23,792 --> 01:05:26,167
Drugs, drink, everything.
1117
01:05:28,251 --> 01:05:29,501
Lyla lavelle: Dad.
1118
01:05:33,584 --> 01:05:36,167
James: You're trying to be a dad,
but you're fucking that up.
1119
01:05:37,042 --> 01:05:41,376
I mean I just... you know,
I left home, living in hotels.
1120
01:05:43,084 --> 01:05:48,209
I... I... I cheated on her
and I... I started burning my soul, really.
1121
01:05:48,876 --> 01:05:51,876
She wanted to change. I didn't.
1122
01:05:53,209 --> 01:05:55,834
Broken up with my...
My daughter's mother.
1123
01:05:57,209 --> 01:06:00,084
And it was a very sad period of my life.
1124
01:06:00,667 --> 01:06:04,334
Why did this break up happen?
Why did I end up in bed with this person?
1125
01:06:04,417 --> 01:06:05,917
Why did I do the drugs at this time?
1126
01:06:06,001 --> 01:06:08,501
Whatever, you know,
those are the war stories, you know.
1127
01:06:08,584 --> 01:06:10,784
Interviewer:
What is the biggest war you've fought then?
1128
01:06:10,834 --> 01:06:11,876
Myself.
1129
01:06:13,251 --> 01:06:14,292
Yep.
1130
01:06:14,626 --> 01:06:16,709
Interviewer: And have you won the war?
— no.
1131
01:06:17,542 --> 01:06:20,626
Interviewer: Still in it?
— I doubt it'll end till you die.
1132
01:06:22,126 --> 01:06:25,459
James would always get himself
into financial trouble
1133
01:06:25,542 --> 01:06:28,376
because he would always spend
everything that he had.
1134
01:06:29,376 --> 01:06:34,001
James: I walked out with a £270,000 bill,
in tax and other debts.
1135
01:06:38,751 --> 01:06:40,459
James and I met at a time when,
1136
01:06:41,334 --> 01:06:43,584
you know,
there was definitely fracture in his life,
1137
01:06:44,126 --> 01:06:45,251
use of substances.
1138
01:06:45,667 --> 01:06:49,417
I mean, I buried six of my friends
who subscribed to the same philosophy.
1139
01:06:49,501 --> 01:06:51,459
I don't want to be
at James lavelle's funeral.
1140
01:06:52,459 --> 01:06:53,751
Lyla: Hi, daddy.
1141
01:06:56,376 --> 01:06:57,959
I'm not wearing these.
1142
01:06:58,042 --> 01:06:59,084
James laughs
1143
01:07:00,209 --> 01:07:03,834
I find it very difficult to know
when James has been most happy.
1144
01:07:04,251 --> 01:07:06,084
He adores his daughter.
1145
01:07:06,751 --> 01:07:08,959
James:
We are chi/lin' and il/in'.
1146
01:07:09,292 --> 01:07:11,917
Let's run away, shall we run away?
— no.
1147
01:07:12,251 --> 01:07:13,292
James: No?
1148
01:07:18,417 --> 01:07:21,542
Great artists have always been able
to go through these challenges,
1149
01:07:21,626 --> 01:07:22,792
and then rise above it.
1150
01:07:23,209 --> 01:07:24,959
I'd introduced him to Chris goss.
1151
01:07:25,917 --> 01:07:28,834
Chris: When I met James,
it seemed like that fire had passed
1152
01:07:28,917 --> 01:07:31,126
and all the trees
were burnt down around him
1153
01:07:31,209 --> 01:07:32,667
and he was, like, still standing.
1154
01:07:33,292 --> 01:07:37,334
Just coming out of that vortex
of confusion.
1155
01:07:38,209 --> 01:07:42,709
Chris goss is a producer, he's a singer,
he's an amazing guitarist.
1156
01:07:43,251 --> 01:07:48,376
Through him we were able to record
at rancho de la Luna studio in Joshua tree.
1157
01:07:51,251 --> 01:07:54,709
♪ Burn my shadow away ♪
1158
01:07:58,501 --> 01:07:59,542
Good enough for now.
1159
01:07:59,876 --> 01:08:02,893
On burn my shadow, it was just fortuitous
that I would use the word "shadow",
1160
01:08:02,917 --> 01:08:05,959
and that was certainly
no reference to dj shadow, whatsoever,
1161
01:08:06,459 --> 01:08:09,292
but it was a reference
to, kind of, James' past.
1162
01:08:09,834 --> 01:08:10,876
Yeah, it's dark.
1163
01:08:11,126 --> 01:08:13,501
You stay with it,
you'll come out the other side.
1164
01:08:15,834 --> 01:08:20,084
♪ And burn my shadow away ♪
1165
01:08:21,334 --> 01:08:25,001
♪ oh, how I loved you ♪
1166
01:08:25,959 --> 01:08:26,959
We done?
1167
01:08:30,834 --> 01:08:32,417
Jam es: Fucking sorted.
1168
01:08:32,751 --> 01:08:34,626
Welcome, and what did you think of that?
1169
01:08:35,001 --> 01:08:36,834
I left my wizard hat here last night.
1170
01:08:37,917 --> 01:08:39,542
And/ want it back. — laughter
1171
01:08:40,667 --> 01:08:44,417
I was in a tough time myself...
At that time,
1172
01:08:44,501 --> 01:08:45,917
you know, where my head was at.
1173
01:08:46,751 --> 01:08:50,167
James, you know,
he and I have apexed at dark moments
1174
01:08:50,251 --> 01:08:52,709
with striking similarity in time.
1175
01:08:53,084 --> 01:08:54,834
If you're going
to collaborate with someone,
1176
01:08:54,917 --> 01:08:57,167
the more vulnerable you are,
the better it is.
1177
01:08:57,751 --> 01:09:00,126
I don't know if they have
the game twisterin england or not,
1178
01:09:00,209 --> 01:09:05,251
but he always starts
by having right hand blue, left leg green,
1179
01:09:05,334 --> 01:09:06,792
like he starts, like,
1180
01:09:06,876 --> 01:09:09,501
"hi, are you interested in getting
into this game with me?"
1181
01:09:10,834 --> 01:09:13,751
And... and you look at him and you go,
"well, that's all fucked up...
1182
01:09:15,417 --> 01:09:16,626
I could give it a go".
1183
01:09:17,959 --> 01:09:19,917
I like insurmountable odds,
1184
01:09:20,917 --> 01:09:22,834
and he can't tell when he's in one.
1185
01:09:25,584 --> 01:09:29,542
♪ Well I'm all restless but I don't care ♪
1186
01:09:30,084 --> 01:09:34,959
♪ you don't like me much, well me either ♪
1187
01:09:35,167 --> 01:09:40,334
♪ you're on me ♪
1188
01:09:47,334 --> 01:09:49,167
♪ Hold my hand ♪
1189
01:09:52,167 --> 01:09:54,001
♪ I need you now ♪
1190
01:09:54,792 --> 01:10:01,751
James: Chris goss, he just made us feel
that it was ok to just let it out.
1191
01:10:02,626 --> 01:10:06,001
♪ Are your drugs healing? ♪
1192
01:10:08,251 --> 01:10:09,292
Um...
1193
01:10:10,626 --> 01:10:12,584
He became a songwriter and a singer.
1194
01:10:15,792 --> 01:10:17,459
The press pointing the finger at James
1195
01:10:17,542 --> 01:10:20,584
and saying, "oh, what do you do?
You're just the... the a&r man".
1196
01:10:20,834 --> 01:10:25,126
At least now he could be a voice
and rich didn't like that.
1197
01:10:25,834 --> 01:10:29,542
James:
♪ the highs that they were seeking ♪
1198
01:10:30,292 --> 01:10:34,084
Chris: He did his first vocal,
and it made the record.
1199
01:10:34,167 --> 01:10:35,792
Music: "Hold my handll by unkle
1200
01:10:38,667 --> 01:10:39,709
man: War stories.
1201
01:10:41,584 --> 01:10:44,024
I was surprised when I heard
he was the singer, I have to say.
1202
01:10:44,459 --> 01:10:46,917
James lavelle, the lead singer of unkle.
1203
01:10:51,292 --> 01:10:53,167
James:
It's not a fucking rock record, man.
1204
01:10:53,542 --> 01:10:55,876
You know, it's...
It's an unkle record, you know.
1205
01:10:59,042 --> 01:11:02,042
Interviewer: And this record actually
is much more of a rock record.
1206
01:11:02,251 --> 01:11:04,209
Has this always been in your mind?
1207
01:11:05,001 --> 01:11:09,459
James: I'd spoken to 3D from massive attack
about doing the art work.
1208
01:11:09,876 --> 01:11:12,292
Futura had done a lot of artwork,
ob vious/y, for unkle,
1209
01:11:13,001 --> 01:11:14,792
so it was a kind of a tough act to follow.
1210
01:11:15,209 --> 01:11:17,042
James:
Basically changed our direction
1211
01:11:17,126 --> 01:11:18,626
to give us a new image.
1212
01:11:19,084 --> 01:11:22,459
Interviewer: So what do you think of James
setting up a brand new record label?
1213
01:11:22,751 --> 01:11:25,042
I think it was naive to be honest, but...
— do you?
1214
01:11:29,001 --> 01:11:32,334
We haven't really set up a record label
in the way what I did for mo'wax.
1215
01:11:32,417 --> 01:11:34,751
It's a label where we can put
out our own records.
1216
01:11:37,209 --> 01:11:41,459
So this opportunity came along.
I'd set up a label with Rob.
1217
01:11:42,042 --> 01:11:43,417
Rob put a lot of money in.
1218
01:11:43,834 --> 01:11:45,542
It was called 'surrender aii'.
1219
01:11:45,792 --> 01:11:46,876
We were independent.
1220
01:11:47,209 --> 01:11:48,751
It felt like a new beginning.
1221
01:11:49,334 --> 01:11:51,792
But I had acquired a lot of debt.
1222
01:11:52,084 --> 01:11:53,626
I hadn't been djing.
1223
01:11:53,709 --> 01:11:57,126
I didn't really have any income
because I wasn't getting a wage,
1224
01:11:57,417 --> 01:12:01,834
so I borrowed money from Rob,
and there was a lot of money flying around.
1225
01:12:02,209 --> 01:12:05,709
Pablo: And Rob spent on war stories
probably close to half a million.
1226
01:12:06,167 --> 01:12:09,126
That's a lot of money
when everybody's downloading your albums
1227
01:12:09,209 --> 01:12:11,209
on mp33 for nothing.
1228
01:12:15,501 --> 01:12:18,334
James: Physical sales
they get smaller and smaller at the moment.
1229
01:12:18,417 --> 01:12:20,334
Most people make money from touring.
1230
01:12:21,626 --> 01:12:23,334
Pablo:
People weren't buying records.
1231
01:12:23,417 --> 01:12:26,626
Well, the only way you're gonna make money
out of music is you gotta go live.
1232
01:12:27,251 --> 01:12:28,584
Music: "Morning rage" by unkle
1233
01:12:28,667 --> 01:12:31,167
♪ what was it all about? ♪
1234
01:12:31,709 --> 01:12:34,834
♪ Something's turned me inside out ♪
1235
01:12:35,584 --> 01:12:38,251
♪ some put myself around ♪
1236
01:12:38,667 --> 01:12:41,501
♪ you should pull me in and turn me out ♪
1237
01:12:41,792 --> 01:12:43,209
He shouts indistinctly
1238
01:12:58,626 --> 01:13:01,084
Rich:
Sell—out crowds everywhere we went.
1239
01:13:01,167 --> 01:13:04,042
It's not a bad way to start a live career.
1240
01:13:06,751 --> 01:13:07,792
Cheers.
1241
01:13:07,876 --> 01:13:08,876
Woman laughs
1242
01:13:13,001 --> 01:13:14,501
cheers, big ears.
1243
01:13:16,751 --> 01:13:18,042
Have you. — woman: Have you.
1244
01:13:18,417 --> 01:13:20,084
Lorna: Before I even met James,
1245
01:13:20,167 --> 01:13:23,126
somebody told me
James lavelle's a nightmare to work with.
1246
01:13:23,209 --> 01:13:27,292
You know, he made Richard file's
hair fall out with alopecia through stress.
1247
01:13:27,376 --> 01:13:28,626
Laughing in background
1248
01:13:28,709 --> 01:13:30,376
but he kind of just swept me off my feet.
1249
01:13:47,584 --> 01:13:49,792
Cheers and applause
1250
01:13:56,542 --> 01:13:58,584
Some things in life need to stay private.
1251
01:13:58,667 --> 01:14:00,251
Music: "In a state" by unkle
1252
01:14:01,709 --> 01:14:07,542
♪ my mind is in a state ♪
1253
01:14:08,792 --> 01:14:11,417
Rich: On tour,
all hell could potentially break loose.
1254
01:14:12,001 --> 01:14:13,334
I can't remember much of it.
1255
01:14:13,417 --> 01:14:17,751
♪ Cos all I seem to do is tempt my fate ♪
1256
01:14:17,917 --> 01:14:21,751
Pablo: Rich and James' relationship
was already kind of frayed.
1257
01:14:21,834 --> 01:14:26,001
They were constantly drinking,
got wasted and partying.
1258
01:14:26,084 --> 01:14:29,334
I mean that takes a toll,
you know, a massive toll.
1259
01:14:29,417 --> 01:14:34,084
James: Something which is part of the fun
can then become the destructive element.
1260
01:14:36,251 --> 01:14:37,709
James:
1261
01:14:52,959 --> 01:14:54,185
Music: "Price you pay" by unkle
1262
01:14:54,209 --> 01:14:56,167
♪ I don't care ♪
1263
01:14:58,126 --> 01:15:01,126
♪ it's the price you pay ♪
1264
01:15:01,209 --> 01:15:03,334
Pablo:
James only works with his friends.
1265
01:15:03,417 --> 01:15:05,542
You know, rich was his friend.
1266
01:15:06,084 --> 01:15:08,459
The problem is, if you're in business
with your friend,
1267
01:15:09,667 --> 01:15:12,834
you know it's gonna...
It's gonna get tough.
1268
01:15:13,751 --> 01:15:16,542
James:
People used unkle to achieve things
1269
01:15:16,626 --> 01:15:19,334
that they couldn't normally do
in their own situation.
1270
01:15:19,584 --> 01:15:21,501
Interviewer: So you felt used maybe?
— yeah.
1271
01:15:23,209 --> 01:15:26,334
Interviewer: And you didn't use them?
James: Did / use them? Um...
1272
01:15:29,417 --> 01:15:33,792
No, I just thought
it was the best thing for the music.
1273
01:15:38,292 --> 01:15:41,042
Rich: It was clear that me and James
wouldn't make another record,
1274
01:15:41,126 --> 01:15:42,209
and that was the end.
1275
01:15:42,417 --> 01:15:43,626
There wouldn't be any more.
1276
01:15:59,376 --> 01:16:02,584
James: It's just another loss
of something which was really special.
1277
01:16:03,001 --> 01:16:08,334
I've lost half of my best friends:
Shadow, rich, my daughter's mother.
1278
01:16:08,626 --> 01:16:12,126
Is it really worth it?
You know, for what? To make music?
1279
01:16:15,126 --> 01:16:18,042
I used to imagine that the older you got,
the more experience you got
1280
01:16:18,126 --> 01:16:20,459
and you would fail less,
but that's not the case.
1281
01:16:20,917 --> 01:16:23,917
Inherent in the creative process
is it not working out.
1282
01:16:24,709 --> 01:16:26,709
That's why
it's such a brave thing to do.
1283
01:16:27,459 --> 01:16:28,709
Who would make music, hey?
1284
01:16:28,792 --> 01:16:30,001
He laughs and sighs
1285
01:16:30,084 --> 01:16:31,751
gotta be an easier way to make a living.
1286
01:16:36,334 --> 01:16:37,667
Drum machine hammers away
1287
01:16:37,751 --> 01:16:39,209
why does that fucking do that?
1288
01:16:44,292 --> 01:16:46,501
James: Pablo clements used to be
in the psychonauts.
1289
01:16:46,584 --> 01:16:49,084
We started working in a studio
that we set up.
1290
01:16:49,167 --> 01:16:51,167
Music:
"Hot blood" by the psychonauts
1291
01:16:52,542 --> 01:16:55,459
me and James were really close
for twenty years,
1292
01:16:55,542 --> 01:16:59,167
and we did really hit it off
because every time he'd say something,
1293
01:16:59,251 --> 01:17:01,001
I... we knew what we were talking about.
1294
01:17:01,376 --> 01:17:02,667
You go through relationships
1295
01:17:02,751 --> 01:17:05,584
to eventually find the person
that hopefully you're gonna stay with.
1296
01:17:05,959 --> 01:17:07,501
Pablo's one of those people you trust.
1297
01:17:07,584 --> 01:17:12,501
I think with my fucking history, it's...
It's really important to have that around.
1298
01:17:18,709 --> 01:17:21,917
James: We're a self—sufficient band
in the fact that we have our own label.
1299
01:17:22,251 --> 01:17:25,542
We did achieve
a lot of what I set out to do.
1300
01:17:27,501 --> 01:17:31,501
We were doing great collaborations.
There was amazing video stuff being done.
1301
01:17:34,001 --> 01:17:35,917
I borrowed money from Rob,
1302
01:17:36,001 --> 01:17:40,001
and I didn't realise the interest
on my debt was ridiculous.
1303
01:17:40,376 --> 01:17:43,542
Everything that I did
was to pay back this debt.
1304
01:17:43,626 --> 01:17:44,667
Ching, ching, ching.
1305
01:17:44,751 --> 01:17:46,876
Pablo: War stories had its own debt.
— James: Ching.
1306
01:17:46,959 --> 01:17:50,209
Pablo: Unkle live was creating a huge debt.
— James: Ching.
1307
01:17:50,376 --> 01:17:53,542
James: You're having to support
all of these people.
1308
01:17:53,917 --> 01:17:57,167
Everybody was getting paid wages. I wasn't.
Ching.
1309
01:17:57,251 --> 01:17:58,334
Pablo: He had art shows.
1310
01:18:02,376 --> 01:18:04,209
He had the remix department.
1311
01:18:06,876 --> 01:18:08,542
James:
I started a clothing company.
1312
01:18:10,084 --> 01:18:13,709
James thinks really big.
That comes at a price, you know.
1313
01:18:14,501 --> 01:18:16,852
James: Suddenly everybody realised
that the way to make money
1314
01:18:16,876 --> 01:18:20,501
was to license records to advertising,
films or television.
1315
01:18:20,792 --> 01:18:24,334
We did 150 tracks
in five years or something.
1316
01:18:24,959 --> 01:18:28,001
It descended into a factory.
1317
01:18:36,001 --> 01:18:38,167
I'm on a complete hamster wheel.
1318
01:18:38,251 --> 01:18:43,042
All of this creative world
that we were trying to create was going,
1319
01:18:43,126 --> 01:18:45,876
and it was just literally
about knocking out tracks.
1320
01:18:48,042 --> 01:18:49,501
I was really in debt.
1321
01:18:49,959 --> 01:18:52,126
The only way of making a living was djing.
1322
01:18:52,751 --> 01:18:54,542
Th e h ost: James la vel/e!
1323
01:18:58,584 --> 01:19:02,751
Djing is a wonderful thing,
but it's a very lonely experience.
1324
01:19:05,667 --> 01:19:07,001
Lorna whispers:
1325
01:19:07,084 --> 01:19:09,626
I'm fucked? Everybody's fucked.
1326
01:19:11,834 --> 01:19:13,959
Lorna:
When you live a nocturnal lifestyle,
1327
01:19:14,084 --> 01:19:16,001
you're tired,
you take drugs to keep you awake.
1328
01:19:16,626 --> 01:19:20,251
I'd like to think that he will stop.
He will find his happiness.
1329
01:19:20,917 --> 01:19:23,584
He says he wants to give up the drugs,
and it's like, prove it.
1330
01:19:24,501 --> 01:19:27,167
House music:
♪ are you really living? ♪
1331
01:19:28,417 --> 01:19:31,209
♪ Are you happy being? ♪
1332
01:19:31,542 --> 01:19:33,667
I'm fed up with it.
It's great being creative,
1333
01:19:33,751 --> 01:19:36,751
and it's great, you know,
putting records out and all that stuff,
1334
01:19:36,834 --> 01:19:39,917
but there '3 a point
where if things don't change in a year,
1335
01:19:40,001 --> 01:19:41,042
I don't know, man.
1336
01:19:41,292 --> 01:19:42,334
I don't know.
1337
01:19:46,542 --> 01:19:50,667
The only way that I could be myself
and get back my life,
1338
01:19:50,751 --> 01:19:52,126
was to make another record.
1339
01:19:52,709 --> 01:19:55,084
I wanted to be an artist.
1340
01:19:55,167 --> 01:19:57,727
We're going to sell millions and millions
and millions and millions,
1341
01:19:57,751 --> 01:20:00,251
take over the world,
and be the biggest band in the world.
1342
01:20:04,126 --> 01:20:06,352
Pablo: He still wants to make
the biggest album in the world
1343
01:20:06,376 --> 01:20:07,518
and sell millions of records.
1344
01:20:07,542 --> 01:20:09,876
He still believes he can do it. I don't.
1345
01:20:09,959 --> 01:20:10,959
Um...
1346
01:20:11,792 --> 01:20:13,667
James:
1347
01:20:13,751 --> 01:20:15,751
Pablo: — James:
1348
01:20:18,501 --> 01:20:22,792
Pablo: Everything was not making money,
so budgets were cut and time was cut.
1349
01:20:23,001 --> 01:20:25,751
They wanted the album finished,
and we were given
1350
01:20:25,834 --> 01:20:27,042
six months.
1351
01:20:35,001 --> 01:20:36,626
Um, gives us...
1352
01:20:37,417 --> 01:20:38,459
It's the first now...
1353
01:20:40,376 --> 01:20:42,501
Three and a half weeks
and they have to finish,
1354
01:20:42,584 --> 01:20:44,501
Rob: For them to finish.
— Marcie: Finish.
1355
01:20:44,584 --> 01:20:45,709
Yeah.
1356
01:20:49,001 --> 01:20:52,876
James: We've been working on loads of demos
to send to potential collaborators.
1357
01:20:53,251 --> 01:20:54,584
Pablo: Any collaborative record,
1358
01:20:54,667 --> 01:20:58,167
you're only really as big
as the collaborators you use.
1359
01:20:58,251 --> 01:21:01,917
That's proven
by all of unkle's records, and...
1360
01:21:02,001 --> 01:21:05,209
No one was coming back
and we were just kind of panicking that...
1361
01:21:05,292 --> 01:21:07,126
We'd just written crap music.
1362
01:21:08,001 --> 01:21:09,459
How we gonna get guitars done?
1363
01:21:09,542 --> 01:21:11,227
How we gonna get
all the vocals done properly?
1364
01:21:11,251 --> 01:21:12,310
We need somebody to do that,
1365
01:21:12,334 --> 01:21:14,518
otherwise we're just
not gonna make a good enough record.
1366
01:21:14,542 --> 01:21:16,834
Vocals, songs, it's not what we're good at.
1367
01:21:27,167 --> 01:21:31,001
♪ Oh, oh ♪
1368
01:21:31,334 --> 01:21:33,042
♪oh ♪
1369
01:21:33,709 --> 01:21:34,751
♪oh ♪
1370
01:21:34,834 --> 01:21:36,167
Oh, fuck me.
1371
01:21:38,084 --> 01:21:39,724
Pablo:
Chris is only over for three weeks,
1372
01:21:39,792 --> 01:21:41,834
and it's a big thing
for anybody to look at.
1373
01:21:42,001 --> 01:21:44,709
You should have your songs
first and then record,
1374
01:21:44,792 --> 01:21:48,792
but because of the tight schedules,
we haven't had that chance to do that,
1375
01:21:49,376 --> 01:21:51,042
so it's... it's been a bit weird.
1376
01:21:51,126 --> 01:21:52,810
James:
♪ we've seen things they won't believe ♪
1377
01:21:52,834 --> 01:21:54,417
♪ we crossed into oblivion ♪
1378
01:21:55,292 --> 01:21:57,667
How about throwing
"this is where it all begins" in there?
1379
01:21:58,542 --> 01:22:00,334
James: This is where it all begins?
— yeah.
1380
01:22:01,084 --> 01:22:02,876
James: We crossed into oblivion?
— yeah.
1381
01:22:06,126 --> 01:22:11,959
♪ So far gone, the edge I'm on,
I see it now ♪
1382
01:22:12,209 --> 01:22:14,126
♪ oblivion ♪
1383
01:22:14,751 --> 01:22:18,876
What I really need is what track they're...
Or track stroke tracks
1384
01:22:18,959 --> 01:22:21,399
- that they're interested in working on.
- — woman: Ok.
1385
01:22:26,001 --> 01:22:27,709
Pablo:
What I did was ring Marcie.
1386
01:22:27,792 --> 01:22:30,001
I said we could turn it into another track,
1387
01:22:30,084 --> 01:22:33,917
and she was just like, we haven't got time
to turn things into another track.
1388
01:22:34,417 --> 01:22:37,334
What, James is gonna tell us that
we're gonna need more time?
1389
01:22:37,417 --> 01:22:39,917
We can't. We don't have more time.
We haven't got a company.
1390
01:22:40,001 --> 01:22:41,751
She went right into one
like that with me.
1391
01:22:42,459 --> 01:22:43,876
I was kind of like, "woah".
1392
01:22:44,751 --> 01:22:47,792
James: I know. It's not fair though, man.
— Chris: Absolutely. Fuck 'em.
1393
01:22:48,084 --> 01:22:51,084
We're gonna make it in spite of it,
so who cares right?
1394
01:22:51,542 --> 01:22:54,126
And the record will be fucking finished.
I don't give a fuck.
1395
01:22:55,251 --> 01:22:57,102
James Griffith:
I was thinking just for the ending,
1396
01:22:57,126 --> 01:22:58,167
you know, it's like...
1397
01:22:58,501 --> 01:22:59,542
No, it's, um...
1398
01:22:59,959 --> 01:23:04,417
If we had the collaborations
which we thought we would,
1399
01:23:05,417 --> 01:23:08,417
by this point, we would be
in a very different situation.
1400
01:23:09,292 --> 01:23:11,084
It's not anybody's fault.
1401
01:23:12,751 --> 01:23:13,792
Yeah.
1402
01:23:17,167 --> 01:23:18,209
Um...
1403
01:23:21,709 --> 01:23:23,501
Pablo:
Musically we're way behind.
1404
01:23:23,584 --> 01:23:26,459
We've got like another ten tracks to do
in two days or something,
1405
01:23:26,792 --> 01:23:29,209
deadlines and stuff,
it's a bit of a joke really.
1406
01:23:34,001 --> 01:23:35,251
Pablo laughs
1407
01:23:36,459 --> 01:23:37,501
James sighs
1408
01:23:40,792 --> 01:23:41,834
Chris: Good approach.
1409
01:24:03,542 --> 01:24:06,626
James Griffith:
1410
01:24:19,417 --> 01:24:21,042
Pablo:
1411
01:24:32,626 --> 01:24:34,126
Chris:
Try it, like, as you wrote.
1412
01:24:34,209 --> 01:24:35,209
Gavin: Alright, cool.
1413
01:24:35,292 --> 01:24:37,876
Acoustic guitar plays
1414
01:24:44,251 --> 01:24:45,501
♪ Each day ♪
1415
01:24:49,209 --> 01:24:50,542
♪ each day ♪
1416
01:24:52,292 --> 01:24:54,251
♪ in a clock ♪
1417
01:24:54,334 --> 01:24:56,602
James: Don't understand,
why are you getting so angry with us?
1418
01:24:56,626 --> 01:24:58,352
Everybody's trying to do
the same thing here.
1419
01:24:58,376 --> 01:25:00,227
Pablo: Right, but I'm trying to tell you...
But I'm just saying...
1420
01:25:00,251 --> 01:25:02,626
James: Why are you running away?
Why are you doing this?
1421
01:25:02,709 --> 01:25:05,084
Pablo: Because I'm fucking tired.
— James: So is everybody.
1422
01:25:05,167 --> 01:25:08,667
Pablo: And... and do you know what?
I'm just pissed off with it at the moment.
1423
01:25:09,126 --> 01:25:11,709
You know what, just go away for a minute.
Go away for a minute.
1424
01:25:14,042 --> 01:25:19,126
♪ And my mistake's to make it better ♪
1425
01:25:19,209 --> 01:25:21,393
Pablo: We're not gonna have time to do it.
Why am I doing it?
1426
01:25:21,417 --> 01:25:23,126
James: We will have a solution.
1427
01:25:24,042 --> 01:25:26,209
Well then, there isn't a record. That's it.
1428
01:25:26,376 --> 01:25:28,292
Pablo:
There is nothing more that we can do.
1429
01:25:28,376 --> 01:25:30,227
James: I still believe we can do it.
— Pablo: We can't.
1430
01:25:30,251 --> 01:25:31,917
Gavin: ♪ a dream of love ♪
1431
01:25:34,376 --> 01:25:36,959
♪ has spread her wings ♪
1432
01:25:37,251 --> 01:25:39,459
♪ and flew forever ♪
1433
01:25:45,501 --> 01:25:46,917
♪ Each day ♪
1434
01:25:51,584 --> 01:25:52,626
♪ each day ♪
1435
01:25:53,876 --> 01:25:55,042
♪ in a clock ♪
1436
01:26:26,292 --> 01:26:27,959
Sombre piano music plays
1437
01:26:42,542 --> 01:26:44,185
Management:
I'd like to get an update
1438
01:26:44,209 --> 01:26:45,792
on what the outstanding vocals are
1439
01:26:45,876 --> 01:26:48,376
that we're still hoping
will come in from different places,
1440
01:26:48,459 --> 01:26:52,501
and / really need to hear
about the things that didn't work.
1441
01:26:57,376 --> 01:26:58,376
Um...
1442
01:26:59,917 --> 01:27:01,667
Nothing has moved on any further
1443
01:27:01,751 --> 01:27:05,584
than what existed previously
going into the studio.
1444
01:27:07,292 --> 01:27:09,751
Management: Bea/ly that it seems like
it was a non event.
1445
01:27:13,792 --> 01:27:17,209
James: When you've got
very specific deadlines, you know,
1446
01:27:17,917 --> 01:27:20,834
and it wasn't a very... you know,
so it made it a very... a very...
1447
01:27:21,459 --> 01:27:25,251
Uncomfortable and depressing situation
in the end, to be perfectly honest.
1448
01:27:25,959 --> 01:27:27,417
Management: Yep. Um...
1449
01:27:30,959 --> 01:27:32,959
James: If we could get like
one or two more days,
1450
01:27:33,042 --> 01:27:35,167
when we know exactly...
When we've like...
1451
01:27:35,251 --> 01:27:38,501
Macie: No. There's no money
for recording left at all.
1452
01:27:38,584 --> 01:27:40,560
Well, we're gonna have to...
We're gonna need to...
1453
01:27:40,584 --> 01:27:42,667
Macie: There is no money left.
— James: Right.
1454
01:27:43,834 --> 01:27:47,709
Macie: I mean, basically we're aiming
for the end of this month.
1455
01:27:47,917 --> 01:27:49,557
James: To finish the album?
— Macie: Yeah.
1456
01:27:51,001 --> 01:27:53,417
James: You know, I think everybody
is gonna try their best.
1457
01:28:02,042 --> 01:28:04,084
Music: "Oblivion" by unkle
1458
01:28:04,167 --> 01:28:08,209
♪ so far gone, I won't ever stop ♪
1459
01:28:08,292 --> 01:28:12,167
♪ for all that I am, for all that I'm not ♪
1460
01:28:12,251 --> 01:28:16,126
♪ so far gone the edge I'm on ♪
1461
01:28:16,501 --> 01:28:18,251
♪ I see it now ♪
1462
01:28:18,584 --> 01:28:19,959
♪ oblivion ♪
1463
01:28:22,626 --> 01:28:24,126
♪ I see it now ♪
1464
01:28:24,709 --> 01:28:25,709
♪ oblivion ♪
1465
01:28:28,542 --> 01:28:29,626
♪ oblivion ♪
1466
01:28:39,876 --> 01:28:42,417
Paul: Well, I...
I didn't even know about that album.
1467
01:28:43,667 --> 01:28:46,959
You know, I had no idea about that record.
1468
01:28:47,334 --> 01:28:48,376
Noidea.
1469
01:29:03,667 --> 01:29:06,792
James: Most bands
start from hypothetical dreams.
1470
01:29:10,417 --> 01:29:13,667
I don't know if you're ever
going to fulfil what you expect
1471
01:29:13,751 --> 01:29:16,834
because you kind of build
a big picture in your head of something,
1472
01:29:16,917 --> 01:29:19,709
and I don't know if you're ever
really able to fulfil that.
1473
01:29:20,959 --> 01:29:23,917
This has been fucking hell,
actually, for this one.
1474
01:29:24,251 --> 01:29:25,459
Really stressful.
1475
01:29:25,542 --> 01:29:28,251
I mean I have a family life
and I live in Brighton,
1476
01:29:28,334 --> 01:29:30,834
so Brighton's definitely nicer, you know.
1477
01:29:41,042 --> 01:29:46,084
Pablo's built a studio in Brighton,
hence the empty shelves here in London.
1478
01:29:46,417 --> 01:29:48,834
I mean, I'd love to do
Madison square gardens.
1479
01:29:48,917 --> 01:29:52,334
I'd love to do, you know, Wembley stadium.
Who wouldn't?
1480
01:29:52,417 --> 01:29:54,167
I don't know if that will ever happen.
1481
01:29:57,001 --> 01:29:59,709
You know, I'd love to sell
millions of records.
1482
01:30:01,876 --> 01:30:05,626
I don't know if that opportunity has gone.
1483
01:30:07,167 --> 01:30:09,334
Pablo: I've created this studio
in Brighton.
1484
01:30:10,667 --> 01:30:13,042
Is that the nice way to say...
Way to say it.
1485
01:30:13,626 --> 01:30:15,376
Rob's pulled the plug on surrender.
1486
01:30:15,459 --> 01:30:16,501
Shouldn't say that.
1487
01:30:16,709 --> 01:30:18,501
Um, little bit worrying.
1488
01:30:19,959 --> 01:30:21,292
James:
Um, the label, you know...
1489
01:30:21,376 --> 01:30:24,626
I'm... I'm not going to be doing
surrender next year.
1490
01:30:26,709 --> 01:30:29,292
What happens with unkle,
we'll see what happens.
1491
01:30:42,417 --> 01:30:44,167
The surrender all situation fell apart,
1492
01:30:44,501 --> 01:30:47,542
so I'm just sitting there, no studio,
nobody coming to London,
1493
01:30:47,626 --> 01:30:49,042
everybody doing it in Brighton.
1494
01:30:49,917 --> 01:30:52,501
Just sitting there,
just having to deal with this for a year.
1495
01:30:52,959 --> 01:30:55,376
Biggest feeling
like the biggest dickhead in the world.
1496
01:30:55,959 --> 01:30:57,876
And nobody gave a shit.
1497
01:30:58,459 --> 01:31:01,292
We... we tried to make it...
Make it... to make it work,
1498
01:31:01,376 --> 01:31:03,917
and, you know, it was tough.
1499
01:31:04,001 --> 01:31:07,126
It was really, really, really tough.
1500
01:31:07,209 --> 01:31:09,376
'Cos what I said is
"let me go and do my thing,
1501
01:31:09,459 --> 01:31:10,501
you do your thing.
1502
01:31:11,084 --> 01:31:12,834
"No more unkle, for a while".
1503
01:31:13,167 --> 01:31:15,584
And then I'd start doing some remixes,
under my own name,
1504
01:31:16,167 --> 01:31:19,334
and they put it under unkle,
which was not contractually right.
1505
01:31:19,417 --> 01:31:20,876
Everybody starts freaking out.
1506
01:31:20,959 --> 01:31:23,209
I get a call from somebody telling me
1507
01:31:23,292 --> 01:31:25,459
that I'm gonna explain
how every record was made,
1508
01:31:25,542 --> 01:31:27,042
so people know that it wasn't you,
1509
01:31:27,126 --> 01:31:29,584
which is the biggest load
of fuckin' bullshit in the world.
1510
01:31:30,542 --> 01:31:33,751
You know, I think everybody had thought,
you know, unkle was everybody now
1511
01:31:33,834 --> 01:31:37,334
and records started getting made
by committee.
1512
01:31:38,334 --> 01:31:43,084
In most creativity, there's a leader,
a great singular point of view.
1513
01:31:43,459 --> 01:31:46,584
Once you get rid of that vision,
things tend to deteriorate.
1514
01:31:47,376 --> 01:31:50,126
Nathan: The things that are really
important are ideas.
1515
01:31:51,042 --> 01:31:52,709
The idea is everything.
1516
01:31:53,417 --> 01:31:56,417
If you take my ideas
or want to silence me,
1517
01:31:57,167 --> 01:31:58,667
that's everything you're taking.
1518
01:31:59,251 --> 01:32:02,542
These things are too important to imagine
that you can rebuild the bridge.
1519
01:32:03,667 --> 01:32:06,667
I kind of rung James and, um,
1520
01:32:06,959 --> 01:32:10,751
you know,
I probably said a lot of truths,
1521
01:32:10,834 --> 01:32:13,334
I suppose, to James,
that he didn't wanna hear, and...
1522
01:32:14,084 --> 01:32:18,209
And actually in weird ways,
I, um, you know, regret a lot of that
1523
01:32:18,292 --> 01:32:20,542
'cos, you know,
he didn't deserve what...
1524
01:32:20,626 --> 01:32:23,506
Some of the stuff that I said,
but he said a lot of horrible things back,
1525
01:32:23,542 --> 01:32:25,959
and I probably said a lot
of horrible things to him and...
1526
01:32:27,584 --> 01:32:30,959
And, yeah we...
We haven't really spoke since.
1527
01:32:35,501 --> 01:32:38,417
It's hard to keep loving each other,
you know.
1528
01:32:39,917 --> 01:32:40,959
Ben: It's his vision.
1529
01:32:41,584 --> 01:32:44,376
I think some people feel
uncomfortable with that,
1530
01:32:45,709 --> 01:32:47,209
that they're kind of servicing,
1531
01:32:49,334 --> 01:32:51,584
to the vision of this other dude.
1532
01:32:52,709 --> 01:32:56,459
People think,
why are we doing this for this guy
1533
01:32:56,751 --> 01:32:58,459
when we could be doing it for ourselves?
1534
01:32:59,334 --> 01:33:01,834
And they underestimate what he brings.
1535
01:33:02,251 --> 01:33:04,292
You know, the fact
that some people can't see it,
1536
01:33:04,584 --> 01:33:08,876
has been quite...
Has been quite damaging, I think, for him.
1537
01:33:10,376 --> 01:33:14,709
I really built this for me and James
to make music in,
1538
01:33:15,542 --> 01:33:18,376
and I wanted him to be a part of this,
you know.
1539
01:33:18,459 --> 01:33:19,667
We were a team,
1540
01:33:20,459 --> 01:33:22,459
and yeah, I miss him though, you know.
1541
01:33:23,042 --> 01:33:24,626
You know, 'cos we are friends.
1542
01:33:25,209 --> 01:33:27,917
I'm... I love James, you know. I really do.
1543
01:33:28,001 --> 01:33:29,376
I've known him for 20 years.
1544
01:33:29,917 --> 01:33:32,001
I'll never forget he is the guy
1545
01:33:32,084 --> 01:33:36,209
that gave the 21 year old dreamer
a chance, you know.
1546
01:33:37,292 --> 01:33:38,417
Um...
1547
01:33:40,126 --> 01:33:43,501
James: The band had gone,
my djing career had disappeared,
1548
01:33:43,917 --> 01:33:45,917
I'd lost a label that I loved,
1549
01:33:46,209 --> 01:33:47,959
I was heavily in debt,
1550
01:33:48,126 --> 01:33:51,584
I'd lost my confidence, my identity,
in many ways.
1551
01:33:52,084 --> 01:33:54,501
Everything I touched just failed, you know.
1552
01:34:12,751 --> 01:34:13,792
Lorna laughs
1553
01:34:17,251 --> 01:34:18,917
lorna:
What changes do you wanna make?
1554
01:34:19,084 --> 01:34:24,084
Stop that sort of nocturnal, narcotic world
that I've lived in most of my life,
1555
01:34:24,167 --> 01:34:25,977
is the thing that is the biggest challenge
for me
1556
01:34:26,001 --> 01:34:27,560
and the thing that I'm trying to change.
1557
01:34:27,584 --> 01:34:29,584
Lorna: How/ong have you lived
that lifestyle for?
1558
01:34:29,667 --> 01:34:30,667
Twenty years.
1559
01:34:31,001 --> 01:34:33,334
Lorna: Do you think you can stop it?
— yes.
1560
01:34:34,876 --> 01:34:37,209
Lorna: Bea/ly?
— / think that... yeah.
1561
01:34:37,292 --> 01:34:40,042
I mean, I... you know, things change,
don't they? Don't they?
1562
01:34:40,584 --> 01:34:44,209
And there are things
that are being lost.
1563
01:34:44,876 --> 01:34:46,626
There are too many things being lost.
1564
01:34:46,709 --> 01:34:48,542
Lorna: What have you lost?
— you.
1565
01:34:53,792 --> 01:34:54,834
I lost you.
1566
01:35:08,792 --> 01:35:11,584
Sad rock music: "Like clockwork"
by queens of the stone age
1567
01:35:13,209 --> 01:35:17,584
♪ everyone it seems ♪
1568
01:35:19,626 --> 01:35:23,876
♪ has somewhere to go ♪
1569
01:35:25,626 --> 01:35:29,001
James: I kind of got here
and was definitely not in a good place.
1570
01:35:29,417 --> 01:35:32,417
My relationship's gone down the toilet
as usual.
1571
01:35:33,167 --> 01:35:38,542
I realise that I just kind of
constantly throw things away.
1572
01:35:40,667 --> 01:35:45,959
♪ And the faster the world spins ♪
1573
01:35:48,126 --> 01:35:51,751
♪ the shorter the lights will glow ♪
1574
01:35:53,876 --> 01:35:58,251
James: Just had the last few days
to really go into myself in Sri Lanka.
1575
01:35:58,709 --> 01:36:01,542
To be honest with you,
I just got sick of hearing music, and...
1576
01:36:02,792 --> 01:36:04,792
The idea of even...
1577
01:36:05,501 --> 01:36:08,709
I had no idea of what a record
should be anymore, and I just...
1578
01:36:09,376 --> 01:36:10,876
Suppose you just lose.
1579
01:36:11,917 --> 01:36:14,334
You lose the desire,
and you just don't end up...
1580
01:36:14,417 --> 01:36:16,834
You know,
I just didn't fucking care anymore, really.
1581
01:36:18,042 --> 01:36:22,626
In the past, relationships, failure,
has just been drowning me
1582
01:36:22,876 --> 01:36:24,042
and taking me down.
1583
01:36:24,417 --> 01:36:26,417
I need to find a bit of myself right now
1584
01:36:27,251 --> 01:36:28,709
and work out what it is that...
1585
01:36:30,501 --> 01:36:33,501
I wanna do in my life
and certainly not live this...
1586
01:36:35,459 --> 01:36:37,667
Tragic roundabout anymore, really.
1587
01:36:37,751 --> 01:36:39,084
It's just been a vicious circle.
1588
01:36:55,626 --> 01:36:58,435
James: I dunno, I was always like,
you know, if my label fell apart tomorrow,
1589
01:36:58,459 --> 01:37:01,084
I'd rather have a lot...
A load of nice looking records at home.
1590
01:37:01,501 --> 01:37:03,917
Toys, stickers...
1591
01:37:04,709 --> 01:37:10,334
Um, trainers, clothes, photos,
paintings, cassettes.
1592
01:37:10,667 --> 01:37:12,584
Dj shadow, dj shadow.
1593
01:37:13,209 --> 01:37:15,459
Where I met my daughter's mum.
1594
01:37:16,417 --> 01:37:20,084
And then I've got my record collection,
which sort of spans a lot of here,
1595
01:37:20,667 --> 01:37:24,126
and here, and here, and here, and here...
1596
01:37:24,542 --> 01:37:26,126
And here, and here.
1597
01:37:26,959 --> 01:37:29,018
A lot of great memories,
there's a lot of very, you know...
1598
01:37:29,042 --> 01:37:30,084
It's sad, you know.
1599
01:37:31,417 --> 01:37:34,792
Sad. It's sad, sad, sad.
1600
01:37:35,376 --> 01:37:39,501
Trying to store something like this
over 20 years, it's cost me a fortune.
1601
01:37:39,959 --> 01:37:40,834
Sometimes you think,
1602
01:37:40,917 --> 01:37:45,792
well, what, have I been mad
and spent money unwisely?
1603
01:37:48,084 --> 01:37:50,751
The sad thing with war stories
and where did the night fall
1604
01:37:50,834 --> 01:37:54,001
is it's exactly the point
where dance music and electronic music
1605
01:37:54,084 --> 01:37:57,459
was really starting to take off
and in a big, big way,
1606
01:37:57,542 --> 01:37:59,792
and he went the other way.
1607
01:38:00,876 --> 01:38:02,709
And he missed the boat in a big way.
1608
01:38:03,167 --> 01:38:05,292
He does put his trust in a lot of people,
1609
01:38:05,376 --> 01:38:09,834
and sometimes people will take
until there's nothing left,
1610
01:38:09,917 --> 01:38:14,917
because they see James
as a path to something bigger
1611
01:38:15,001 --> 01:38:17,376
than where they're at in their lives.
1612
01:38:18,626 --> 01:38:21,001
Funny how certain things
just constantly reoccur.
1613
01:38:21,667 --> 01:38:23,084
When mo'wax finished,
1614
01:38:23,709 --> 01:38:28,959
I kind of just put everything into storage
and threw away the keys.
1615
01:38:29,584 --> 01:38:33,792
It's a beautiful collection of dreams,
what you can create.
1616
01:38:34,209 --> 01:38:36,435
What I'd like to do is to be able
to show that whole culture
1617
01:38:36,459 --> 01:38:39,126
with an exhibition and a book.
1618
01:38:42,001 --> 01:38:43,459
Jane:
James and I had met each other,
1619
01:38:43,542 --> 01:38:45,935
and he was telling me
about all the projects he had coming up,
1620
01:38:45,959 --> 01:38:50,501
so the book, um, the plan
to do an exhibition of mo'wax.
1621
01:38:50,876 --> 01:38:53,626
We started talking about
whether we might work together.
1622
01:38:54,042 --> 01:38:58,917
Meltdown is our annual curated festival
at the southbank centre.
1623
01:38:59,001 --> 01:39:00,917
We ask an artist to come
1624
01:39:01,001 --> 01:39:03,959
and basically free reign
across the 20 acre site
1625
01:39:04,042 --> 01:39:08,584
for them to choose their favourite artist
from music, dance, theatre.
1626
01:39:08,667 --> 01:39:11,501
We've worked with all sorts of people
in the past 20 years,
1627
01:39:11,584 --> 01:39:16,376
from Yoko Ono, Morrissey, Patti Smith,
John peel, Lee scratch Perry,
1628
01:39:16,459 --> 01:39:19,167
David bowie, Nick cave, um...
1629
01:39:19,251 --> 01:39:20,667
It became more and more apparent
1630
01:39:20,751 --> 01:39:23,084
that James was an interesting candidate
for the role.
1631
01:39:23,751 --> 01:39:27,292
I'd met with Jane and she was like,
"why don't you curate meltdown?"
1632
01:39:29,042 --> 01:39:31,001
"Oh my god. Really? Wow."
1633
01:39:31,292 --> 01:39:34,959
This was the greatest opportunity
to bring everything back together.
1634
01:39:35,126 --> 01:39:37,792
It was the greatest moment
you could imagine.
1635
01:39:39,459 --> 01:39:42,667
I mean, I was really...
I'm... i'm... I'm really, you know,
1636
01:39:42,751 --> 01:39:46,876
of course, I'm... I'm incredibly flattered
and I'm incredibly honoured.
1637
01:39:47,709 --> 01:39:51,626
Southbank, which is one of
the most important cultural landmarks
1638
01:39:51,917 --> 01:39:53,501
in england, in the world.
1639
01:39:53,876 --> 01:39:54,917
I'm back in it, you know.
1640
01:39:55,001 --> 01:39:58,167
Meltdown has given me a deadline, you know.
It's given a reason, you know.
1641
01:40:04,876 --> 01:40:07,667
Low rumbling voice:
Does anyone remember who I am?
1642
01:40:09,126 --> 01:40:11,376
J.p. Duncan:
When we said yes to meltdown,
1643
01:40:11,709 --> 01:40:16,584
I just composed myself because how the fuck
are we gonna ever do this?
1644
01:40:18,459 --> 01:40:22,709
Wow, my first filofax of all the people
that I used to work with.
1645
01:40:23,501 --> 01:40:25,626
J.p. Duncan:
James opened his very big black book
1646
01:40:25,709 --> 01:40:29,126
of previous collaborators,
friends, artists.
1647
01:40:29,417 --> 01:40:32,459
We all expected
everyone would jump at the chance,
1648
01:40:32,542 --> 01:40:34,209
and in all honesty not everyone did.
1649
01:40:35,626 --> 01:40:38,667
The same, you know, vulture
starts circling the head,
1650
01:40:38,751 --> 01:40:41,251
and the same resentment starts coming out
1651
01:40:41,792 --> 01:40:45,501
because the mo'wax fall out
was a painful period of time
1652
01:40:45,584 --> 01:40:46,626
for a lot of people.
1653
01:40:46,876 --> 01:40:49,959
I for one, felt like I'd lost a friend,
you know.
1654
01:40:50,376 --> 01:40:52,560
There are these people
that have got all this resentment.
1655
01:40:52,584 --> 01:40:54,643
They've never actually sat down with James
and been like,
1656
01:40:54,667 --> 01:40:56,209
"let's hug it out and move forward".
1657
01:40:56,751 --> 01:41:00,042
There are too many unsaid conversations.
1658
01:41:00,584 --> 01:41:05,792
If every single relationship
that you have, creatively, breaks down
1659
01:41:06,167 --> 01:41:08,959
then you might wanna, you know,
take a look in that mirror
1660
01:41:09,251 --> 01:41:10,459
because the chances are...
1661
01:41:12,167 --> 01:41:16,501
You don't need to be Sigmund Freud
to work out that, you know,
1662
01:41:16,584 --> 01:41:18,084
it might be you that's the problem.
1663
01:41:19,334 --> 01:41:20,376
3D.
1664
01:41:21,001 --> 01:41:23,167
Massive attack,
we thought was gonna be in the bag,
1665
01:41:23,251 --> 01:41:25,376
but it... it ended up not being in the bag
1666
01:41:25,667 --> 01:41:27,334
at the absolute eleventh hour.
1667
01:41:28,042 --> 01:41:31,709
It was a really scary moment
because we were really, really close
1668
01:41:31,792 --> 01:41:35,001
and there was what felt like
a gaping hole in the programme.
1669
01:41:35,251 --> 01:41:37,834
James was feeling
like he had disappointed people.
1670
01:41:38,834 --> 01:41:40,560
Paul: There was a couple
of disappointments there,
1671
01:41:40,584 --> 01:41:43,626
in terms of people
he probably would've liked to have had on.
1672
01:41:43,709 --> 01:41:45,876
I think massive attack
should've been on the bill.
1673
01:41:46,209 --> 01:41:49,126
They embodied everything
that he wanted to do.
1674
01:41:50,084 --> 01:41:55,042
Um, James realised
what a gargantuan thing he'd taken on.
1675
01:41:55,126 --> 01:41:57,685
Interviewer: How is it, getting involved
in the whole meltdown thing?
1676
01:41:57,709 --> 01:41:58,709
A lot of horse—trading...
1677
01:41:58,792 --> 01:42:02,251
James: It's everything.
I've put my soul on the line for this shit.
1678
01:42:03,042 --> 01:42:05,667
J.p. Duncan:
It's a once in a lifetime opportunity and..
1679
01:42:06,251 --> 01:42:08,251
Absolutely everything
was at stake for James.
1680
01:42:39,501 --> 01:42:42,459
Presenter: James la vel/e
curating the 27st 'meltdown'.
1681
01:42:42,542 --> 01:42:44,834
James:
An honour really. Very, very proud of that.
1682
01:42:46,959 --> 01:42:48,768
Presenter:
Bight, we 're gonna talk about 'meltdown'.
1683
01:42:48,792 --> 01:42:52,417
James: I'm doing a mo'wax exhibition
as part of 'me/tdo wn '.
1684
01:43:02,751 --> 01:43:05,167
It's gonna be a wonderful ten days,
so enjoy.
1685
01:43:05,417 --> 01:43:06,459
Thanks very much.
1686
01:43:28,501 --> 01:43:31,459
Meltdown is a huge thing.
You know, it's a big deal.
1687
01:43:31,876 --> 01:43:33,459
The greats have curated there.
1688
01:43:33,959 --> 01:43:35,834
Martin:
It's a real honour for James.
1689
01:43:36,417 --> 01:43:39,376
It's the musical equivalent of...
Of being knighted.
1690
01:43:39,584 --> 01:43:42,126
It's a recognition
that you had an influence on the arts.
1691
01:43:50,001 --> 01:43:52,501
Swifty: When I heard
that James had got meltdown,
1692
01:43:52,584 --> 01:43:53,751
I was... I was so chuffed.
1693
01:43:53,834 --> 01:43:55,959
He's not David bowie,
he's not Yoko Ono,
1694
01:43:56,042 --> 01:43:58,459
but for the nineties generation
of music buyers,
1695
01:43:58,917 --> 01:44:00,626
he is as important.
1696
01:44:02,417 --> 01:44:06,001
The culture, the history,
the things that one has been involved with,
1697
01:44:06,084 --> 01:44:09,084
in many ways has been publicly validated.
1698
01:44:09,709 --> 01:44:12,626
The fact that James
did something called meltdown.
1699
01:44:13,667 --> 01:44:16,084
That's already funny. That's...
You know what I mean?
1700
01:44:17,376 --> 01:44:20,751
I knew it meant a lot to him,
so it meant a lot to me 'cos we're friends.
1701
01:44:21,501 --> 01:44:25,376
I was in the middle of making
the most difficult thing I had made,
1702
01:44:26,084 --> 01:44:27,251
which is like clockwork.
1703
01:44:27,751 --> 01:44:30,001
James said, "can we just do something?"
1704
01:44:30,376 --> 01:44:33,334
James: Josh had been working
on his queens of the stone age record,
1705
01:44:33,417 --> 01:44:36,626
so I went to la and recorded this song,
1706
01:44:36,709 --> 01:44:38,251
like clockwork, with Josh.
1707
01:44:38,876 --> 01:44:41,435
Josh: In this collaboration,
James, in a way, he almost just drew
1708
01:44:41,459 --> 01:44:46,834
an outside shape in... in...
Of a colouring book and you colour in.
1709
01:44:47,042 --> 01:44:50,209
James: Like clockwork
became the title track for his album,
1710
01:44:50,626 --> 01:44:54,876
and had gone to number one in america,
so, fuck.
1711
01:44:55,542 --> 01:44:58,126
Number one in america
and then meltdown.
1712
01:45:03,834 --> 01:45:06,251
J.p. Duncan:
Meltdown was the most successful meltdown
1713
01:45:06,334 --> 01:45:09,084
that's ever happened,
in terms of ticket sales.
1714
01:45:09,626 --> 01:45:12,292
How the fuck did we pull this off?
1715
01:45:19,917 --> 01:45:22,834
Interviewer: Unkle at one point in time
was you and dj shadow.
1716
01:45:22,917 --> 01:45:25,417
James: Lots ofpeop/e have come
and worked on it over the years.
1717
01:45:25,501 --> 01:45:27,709
I'm doing my show,
the first unkle show in a while.
1718
01:45:34,834 --> 01:45:36,602
Badly drawn boy:
For somebody like James lavelle
1719
01:45:36,626 --> 01:45:38,126
to still be doing unkle stuff,
1720
01:45:38,209 --> 01:45:41,001
committing to it and,
and playing all these songs live, as well,
1721
01:45:41,376 --> 01:45:44,542
it shows that he cares about it
and cared about it from the first day.
1722
01:45:44,959 --> 01:45:49,084
He sort of stands up as a, sort of,
one man music industry kind of machine,
1723
01:45:49,167 --> 01:45:51,876
you know, that's never played ball,
you know,
1724
01:45:51,959 --> 01:45:53,376
constantly, sort of, evolving.
1725
01:46:01,667 --> 01:46:04,751
Osman: Genius comes
in very temperamental vessels
1726
01:46:04,834 --> 01:46:06,417
and if he had rough edges
1727
01:46:06,501 --> 01:46:08,626
or if he thought himself
the centre of the universe
1728
01:46:08,709 --> 01:46:09,792
for a period of time,
1729
01:46:09,876 --> 01:46:10,917
makes no difference.
1730
01:46:11,001 --> 01:46:13,334
All that matters is the work
that he created.
1731
01:46:13,417 --> 01:46:15,417
Music:
"When things explode" by unkle
1732
01:46:31,334 --> 01:46:32,876
Low rasping voice:
All is forgiven.
1733
01:46:39,001 --> 01:46:42,167
Spiritual female voice sings:
♪ we're standing here ♪
1734
01:46:42,251 --> 01:46:48,834
♪ at the edge of time ♪
1735
01:46:48,917 --> 01:46:53,042
Music: "What does your soul look like?"
By dj shadow
1736
01:46:55,042 --> 01:46:58,334
music: "Stem/long stem/ transmission 2"
by dj shadow
1737
01:47:15,501 --> 01:47:16,542
James: Aw, look at that.
1738
01:47:24,084 --> 01:47:26,251
Interviewer: Ok, shall we start
at the beginning?
1739
01:47:26,334 --> 01:47:27,376
Yeah.
1740
01:47:30,584 --> 01:47:32,393
Dj shadow:
Is it gonna be the James I remember,
1741
01:47:32,417 --> 01:47:35,917
or is it gonna be dark and tortured James?
1742
01:47:37,459 --> 01:47:40,959
He seemed healthier,
seems like he's kind of turned the page.
1743
01:47:41,667 --> 01:47:43,876
Doesn't matter whether
you're behind the mic
1744
01:47:43,959 --> 01:47:45,751
or what role you're playing,
1745
01:47:46,251 --> 01:47:48,126
I respect you as an artist.
1746
01:47:48,209 --> 01:47:50,626
This is for you and this is uh...
1747
01:47:51,459 --> 01:47:56,126
You know, a way for people
to be able to again, mobilise on his behalf
1748
01:47:56,209 --> 01:47:59,209
and try to achieve something
better than the sum of all the parts.
1749
01:48:00,167 --> 01:48:02,209
Music:
"Lead me home" by luminous
1750
01:48:09,626 --> 01:48:11,126
Atmospheric voice: Be still now.
1751
01:48:12,542 --> 01:48:13,584
I am with you.
1752
01:48:16,584 --> 01:48:18,084
I am deep within you.
1753
01:48:20,334 --> 01:48:21,459
You are at peace.
1754
01:48:22,917 --> 01:48:24,251
You cannot be harmed.
1755
01:48:25,376 --> 01:48:26,667
You will not suffer.
1756
01:48:29,751 --> 01:48:30,792
Breathe deeply.
1757
01:48:32,292 --> 01:48:34,501
Breathe in the healing love
of the universe.
1758
01:48:35,876 --> 01:48:38,376
And breathe out the sickness
which has taken you.
1759
01:48:40,876 --> 01:48:41,917
I am with you.
1760
01:48:43,334 --> 01:48:45,834
Dj shadow: This wasn't just something
that happens anytime,
1761
01:48:46,251 --> 01:48:50,501
I hadn't done any unkle material live
since we did top of the pops.
1762
01:48:50,959 --> 01:48:55,001
The music is still something
that I believe in, and...
1763
01:48:55,667 --> 01:48:58,126
We all wanna do our best for James,
1764
01:48:58,834 --> 01:49:03,167
and then for him to kinda Bury the hatchet
with all these people from his past.
1765
01:49:03,709 --> 01:49:06,709
There was a lot
of positive energy around it.
1766
01:49:07,042 --> 01:49:09,560
J.p. Duncan: They're doing a show together.
They're doing two shows together.
1767
01:49:09,584 --> 01:49:11,352
They're djing together,
which they haven't done
1768
01:49:11,376 --> 01:49:12,626
for a very, very long time.
1769
01:49:22,001 --> 01:49:25,501
Dj shadow: James is constantly
reaching for the stars, and I think,
1770
01:49:25,584 --> 01:49:30,584
it takes mad dreamers on both sides
to come together and make history.
1771
01:49:30,667 --> 01:49:33,376
Rich:
He is an artist in his own right.
1772
01:49:33,751 --> 01:49:38,376
Where an artist may use a paintbrush,
James will use a person.
1773
01:49:39,251 --> 01:49:42,001
It's brave because a paintbrush
can't answer back.
1774
01:49:42,459 --> 01:49:46,584
If I was a tool in his artistic vision,
then it was a lot of fun.
1775
01:49:47,959 --> 01:49:50,376
Nathan: Who is it that says
that you need to make music
1776
01:49:50,459 --> 01:49:52,042
in this way and not that way?
1777
01:49:52,126 --> 01:49:56,001
The architect has to physically
put the bricks on top of each other,
1778
01:49:56,084 --> 01:49:57,209
is this what we're saying?
1779
01:49:57,417 --> 01:49:58,959
That's a... that's a nonsense.
1780
01:49:59,042 --> 01:50:02,626
Imagine all music that was made
was written on a guitar.
1781
01:50:02,917 --> 01:50:03,959
That's a disaster.
1782
01:50:04,667 --> 01:50:07,227
Charlie: He gave me a chance,
and he gave lots of people chances,
1783
01:50:07,334 --> 01:50:10,126
lots of people who would never
have been given chances by anyone else.
1784
01:50:10,876 --> 01:50:12,584
I love James to bits and I always will.
1785
01:50:12,792 --> 01:50:14,542
The friendship
is what was important to me.
1786
01:50:15,209 --> 01:50:16,917
Paul:
Friends he's fallen out with,
1787
01:50:17,542 --> 01:50:18,876
all of those kind of things,
1788
01:50:18,959 --> 01:50:22,209
I think they weigh
pretty heavily on you.
1789
01:50:22,667 --> 01:50:24,667
Grandmaster flash:
You enjoy something more
1790
01:50:24,751 --> 01:50:26,001
when you struggle to get it.
1791
01:50:26,792 --> 01:50:29,542
You learn, and you grow,
and you learn,
1792
01:50:29,709 --> 01:50:32,268
and get your blessings and your lessons,
and you learn and you grow
1793
01:50:32,292 --> 01:50:33,334
and you go from there.
1794
01:50:34,334 --> 01:50:37,834
Thank you very much.
Who says that dreams can't come true?
1795
01:50:40,501 --> 01:50:42,917
James: You have to believe
in what you believe in,
1796
01:50:43,001 --> 01:50:44,876
and happier are those that dream dreams
1797
01:50:44,959 --> 01:50:48,209
and are willing to pay the price
to see those dreams come true.
1798
01:50:58,667 --> 01:51:00,459
I've had a lot of growing up to do.
1799
01:51:01,209 --> 01:51:02,251
I fucked up.
1800
01:51:02,584 --> 01:51:04,834
In many ways it's my fault.
1801
01:51:06,001 --> 01:51:07,417
It's been very lonely.
1802
01:51:08,001 --> 01:51:11,376
I've fallen out with people
that I really loved.
1803
01:51:15,584 --> 01:51:17,664
Time does heal.
Somethings it doesn't, unfortunately,
1804
01:51:17,709 --> 01:51:20,626
but I've seen what I wanna be,
what I don't wanna be.
1805
01:51:21,334 --> 01:51:24,709
It's like looking at yourself
in the biggest mirror you've ever seen.
1806
01:51:28,292 --> 01:51:31,709
Atmospheric voice: ♪ you see things in
life, and you'd be surprised what you see ♪
1807
01:51:32,501 --> 01:51:35,042
♪ life, your whole life, is changes ♪
1808
01:51:35,376 --> 01:51:37,792
♪ one second you got it made ♪
1809
01:51:37,876 --> 01:51:40,792
♪ next second you're down in the dumps ♪
1810
01:51:41,084 --> 01:51:43,834
♪ and it goes back and forth
throughout your whole life ♪
1811
01:51:44,042 --> 01:51:46,751
♪ one second you got
the most beautiful girl in the world ♪
1812
01:51:47,126 --> 01:51:50,417
♪ next second
you don't even have a girlfriend, no more ♪
1813
01:51:51,042 --> 01:51:55,209
♪ and it goes back and forth
and back and forth, you know ♪
1814
01:51:55,709 --> 01:51:58,459
♪ and this is life man. It's changes ♪
1815
01:51:58,542 --> 01:52:01,792
♪ this is what you gotta go through
throughout your whole lifetime ♪
1816
01:52:05,376 --> 01:52:07,917
James: I feel like there's a lot of stuff
I can put behind me.
1817
01:52:08,584 --> 01:52:09,959
I see this as the beginning.
1818
01:52:19,459 --> 01:52:22,709
The great alien fortune teller
has wisdom for you.
1819
01:52:24,292 --> 01:52:25,334
James: "Your fortune:
1820
01:52:25,709 --> 01:52:27,917
Oh, how you love to whistle and sing
1821
01:52:28,001 --> 01:52:30,584
oh how you love to dance and swing
1822
01:52:30,667 --> 01:52:32,709
your future life with joy would ring
1823
01:52:32,792 --> 01:52:34,292
with all happiness it will bring
1824
01:52:34,917 --> 01:52:37,042
you have a very sympathetic nature.
1825
01:52:37,417 --> 01:52:41,751
You do devote a great many hours
to the welfare of others.
1826
01:52:42,001 --> 01:52:43,709
You have a very fine mind,
1827
01:52:43,792 --> 01:52:46,917
and if you cultivate it properly,
you'll be very successful.
1828
01:52:47,001 --> 01:52:50,917
You always walk as though
you know exactly where you're going.
1829
01:52:51,542 --> 01:52:54,542
People will respect you
for your determination.
1830
01:52:56,042 --> 01:52:59,417
You will endure some hardship
in the near future,
1831
01:53:00,001 --> 01:53:03,167
but eventually everything will turn out
for the best.
1832
01:53:03,584 --> 01:53:06,626
An unending happiness will be yours."
1833
01:53:07,126 --> 01:53:08,167
Play again?
1834
01:53:08,251 --> 01:53:10,792
Music:
"Alphabet aerobics" by blackalicious
1835
01:53:10,876 --> 01:53:13,042
female vocal sample:
♪ now it's turn for our rap up ♪
1836
01:53:13,834 --> 01:53:15,917
♪ let's give it everything we've got ♪
1837
01:53:16,751 --> 01:53:18,459
♪ ready? Begin ♪
1838
01:53:19,542 --> 01:53:22,334
Blackalicious: ♪ artificial amateurs,
aren't at all amazing ♪
1839
01:53:22,417 --> 01:53:25,167
♪ analytically, I assault, animate things ♪
1840
01:53:25,251 --> 01:53:27,876
♪ broken barriers bounded
by the bomb beat ♪
1841
01:53:27,959 --> 01:53:30,667
♪ buildings are broken,
basically I'm bombarding ♪
1842
01:53:30,751 --> 01:53:33,376
♪ casually create catastrophes,
casualties ♪
1843
01:53:33,459 --> 01:53:36,167
♪ cancelling cats
got their canopies collapsing ♪
1844
01:53:36,251 --> 01:53:38,751
♪ detonate a dime of dank daily
doin' dough ♪
1845
01:53:38,834 --> 01:53:41,334
♪ demonstrations,
Don dada on the down low ♪
1846
01:53:41,417 --> 01:53:43,959
♪ eatin' other editors
with each and every energetic ♪
1847
01:53:44,042 --> 01:53:46,459
♪ epileptic episode, elevated etiquette ♪
1848
01:53:46,542 --> 01:53:49,042
♪ furious fat fabulous fantastic ♪
1849
01:53:49,126 --> 01:53:51,667
♪ flurries of funk
felt feeding the fanatics ♪
1850
01:53:51,751 --> 01:53:54,084
♪ gift got great
global goods gone glorious ♪
1851
01:53:54,167 --> 01:53:56,542
♪ gettin' godly in his game
with the goriest ♪
1852
01:53:56,626 --> 01:53:58,626
♪ hit 'em high, hella height, historical ♪
1853
01:53:58,709 --> 01:54:01,417
♪ hey holocaust hints
hear 'em holler at your homeboy ♪
1854
01:54:01,501 --> 01:54:03,584
♪ imitators idolize, I intimidate ♪
1855
01:54:03,667 --> 01:54:06,126
♪ in a instant, I'll
rise in a irate state ♪
1856
01:54:06,209 --> 01:54:08,417
♪ juiced on my jams
like jheri curls jockin' joints ♪
1857
01:54:08,501 --> 01:54:10,667
♪ justly, it's just me,
writin' my journals ♪
1858
01:54:10,751 --> 01:54:13,001
♪ kindly I'm kindling
all kinds of ink on ♪
1859
01:54:13,084 --> 01:54:15,251
♪ karate kick type brits in my kingdom ♪
1860
01:54:15,334 --> 01:54:17,459
♪ let me live along life,
lyrically lessons is ♪
1861
01:54:17,542 --> 01:54:19,626
♪ learned lame louses
just lose to my livery ♪
1862
01:54:19,709 --> 01:54:21,792
♪ my mind makes marvellous moves,
masses ♪
1863
01:54:21,876 --> 01:54:23,959
♪ marvel and move,
many mock what I've mastered ♪
1864
01:54:24,042 --> 01:54:26,126
♪ niggas nap knowin' I'm nice naturally ♪
1865
01:54:26,209 --> 01:54:28,251
♪ knack, never lack,
make noise nationally ♪
1866
01:54:28,334 --> 01:54:30,334
♪ operation, opposition, off,
not optional ♪
1867
01:54:30,417 --> 01:54:32,459
♪ out of sight, out of mind,
wide beaming opticals ♪
1868
01:54:32,542 --> 01:54:34,542
♪ perfected poem, powerful punchlines ♪
1869
01:54:34,626 --> 01:54:36,542
♪ pummelling petty
powder puffs in my prime ♪
1870
01:54:36,626 --> 01:54:38,542
♪ quite quaint quotes keep quiet,
it's quannum ♪
1871
01:54:38,626 --> 01:54:40,643
♪ quarrelers ain't got a quarter
of what we got uh ♪
1872
01:54:40,667 --> 01:54:42,709
♪ really raw raps, risin up rapidly ♪
1873
01:54:42,792 --> 01:54:44,834
♪ riding the rushing radioactivity ♪
1874
01:54:44,917 --> 01:54:46,626
♪ super scientifical sound search sought ♪
1875
01:54:46,709 --> 01:54:48,584
♪ silencing super fire saps
that are soft ♪
1876
01:54:48,667 --> 01:54:50,501
♪ tales ten times talented, too tough ♪
1877
01:54:50,584 --> 01:54:52,459
♪ take that, challengers, get a tune up ♪
1878
01:54:52,542 --> 01:54:54,376
♪ universal, unique untouched ♪
1879
01:54:54,459 --> 01:54:56,334
♪ unadulterated, the raw uncut ♪
1880
01:54:56,417 --> 01:54:58,376
♪ verb vice lord victorious valid ♪
1881
01:54:58,459 --> 01:55:00,227
♪ violate vibes that are vain
make 'em vanished ♪
1882
01:55:00,251 --> 01:55:02,143
♪ while I'm all well
would a wise wordsmith just ♪
1883
01:55:02,167 --> 01:55:04,007
♪ weaving up words weeded up,
I'm a workshift ♪
1884
01:55:04,042 --> 01:55:05,876
♪ xerox, my x—ray—diation holes
extra large ♪
1885
01:55:05,959 --> 01:55:07,599
♪ x—height letters, and xylophone tones ♪
1886
01:55:07,667 --> 01:55:09,459
♪ yellow back, yak mouth,
young ones yaws ♪
1887
01:55:09,542 --> 01:55:11,251
♪ yesterday's lawn yardsale, I yawn ♪
1888
01:55:11,334 --> 01:55:13,167
♪ zig zag zombies, zoomin to the zenith ♪
1889
01:55:13,251 --> 01:55:16,292
♪ zero in zen thoughts,
overzealous rhyme zea—lots! ♪
1890
01:55:18,709 --> 01:55:19,876
Man laughs
1891
01:55:19,959 --> 01:55:22,042
woman:
♪ good. Can you say it faster? ♪
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