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I often wonder about the nature of reality,

our relationship with the creative force,

particles that forged our stars and linked

with the molecules of our bodies.

About us

and what our real place in the architecture of our universe?

We're alone?

Or the answer is simply stranger than we can think of?

My name is Jeremy Corbell.

Try turning your curiosity into a weapon.

And if you're ready to suspend your own prejudices,

Welcome to the world of extraordinary beliefs.

EXTRAORDINARY BELIEFS

This week we heard UFO researchers say

there's a secret government within our government.

Well, there are several ...

Actually nine flying saucers,

flyers there discs of extraterrestrial origin.

Not to disappoint you, but Earth is not the center of the universe.

Not anymore, at least.

You're starring in your own movie.

Humans are not the highest point in the food chain.

And the destination is a fantasy.

But I can not prove any of this,

even if I wanted to.

There is an indefinable mysterious power that pervades everything.

I'm sorry, but I do not see.

It is this invisible energy that is felt.

There is an indefinable mysterious power that pervades everything.

I'm sorry, but I do not see.

It is this invisible energy that is felt.

There is a...

NIDO PERSON • THE WITNESS

Your camera caught someone.

BOB LAZAR FBI

Bob Lazar Swoop

BOB LAZAR HOY

Reality just is not what it was.

Things are not what they seem.

Everything around us is a mental construct.

We create our own reality.

It is difficult to analyze that.

And once you do

no return.

Are you serious? SENT

It's what happens to people when their fundamental beliefs,

Based on your understanding ...

The place is closed. I write from the bathroom.

Explodes into a million pieces.

When something landed from the sky

and calls into question everything we know.

What the fuck?

How do we react?

Time does not heal all wounds. I'll call you, do not call me.

They repeated TEXTUALLY our conversation in the backyard.

How can you have known?

The idea.

FBI EVIDENCE RESPONSE TEAM

This is compounded on all fronts

and now you understand what I mean.

I stopped filming with Bob, and now pursue federal ...

Now, call me!

I sensed that something like this would happen. I call you now.

There is an indefinable mysterious power that pervades everything.

Beliefs are mercurial things.

Direct our lives and choices at every moment.

This threshold gives the imagination.

The most serious hunches, polished by the evidence.

They are like clothes you can not afford.

We elevate us, but we can not keep them as our own.

The discard when no longer serve us.

Or when we discovered they were not real at all.

This story is extraordinary.

Especially if it's true.

And it all started in the wilderness,

just north of Las Vegas.

Area 51, the secret on the planet,

It is located in the northeastern boundary of the Nevada Test headquarters

and it is said to be where many top-secret weapons systems

They were tested over the years.

According to some UFO researchers,

This is also where the government does test flights with alien spacecraft.

It sounds unlikely, but some residents of Las Vegas

report having seen these flying saucers.

A local scientist, who says he worked at Groom Lake

and seen the saucers, we join us in the interview tonight.

MAY 12

He asked the condition of anonymity.

Sir, how do we know you are who you say

and has real knowledge of what happens in Groom Lake?

I guess there's no way to know.

Actually, I have no way to test it without revealing my identity

and get into more problems that I have.

What exactly up there?

There are some, in fact, nine

flying saucers, flying discs of extraterrestrial origin,

and perform test flights

and especially analyzed.

He says there are nine courses. How are proving these tests?

In what sense?

In the sense of whether they are successful and that sort of thing.

Some are completely intact and work perfectly.

The others, are disarmed.

I was involved mainly in propulsion and power source.

Where we got those dishes,

how they came to the government?

I have no idea

and, as understood, the information is very sectorized.

I only had access to information

particularly concerned with what he did.

But, I mean, not our government could have built

rather than get them from extraterrestrial beings?

Totally impossible.

The propulsion system operates on gravity,

the energy source is a reactor antimatter.

This technology does not exist at all.

In fact, one of the reasons why divulge this information

It is that it is not only a crime against the American people,

but against the scientific community,

to which I belonged for a while,

actively try to duplicate these systems,

although already they exist and are basically in the hands of the government.

What would have happened if the government knew

you give us this information?

Anything is possible, I do not know, it's ... I have no idea.

You said, referring to getting into trouble,

Have you had any impact yet?

Yes, they threatened me with accusing me of espionage,

They threatened my life and my wife.

I mean, I do not know where else you can go beyond that.

I want to thank you for joining us.

It's very interesting what you say.

- Thank you. - Thank you, sir.

We'll have more news at a time.

Now, we go with Dan Rather in Beijing for a preview of CBS Evening News.

CBS Evening News, desde China.

We've covered extensively ...

The interview with the mysterious Dennis drew international attention.

radio fragments were issued in six European countries

and in a special nationwide television Japan.

Despite many inquiries and antennas, Dennis kept anonymous until today.

His real name is Robert Lazar.

He says he was hired to work in an area called S4,

which it is a few kilometers south of Groom Lake.

In S4, he says there are flying saucers, antimatter reactors

and other working examples of technology

that seems to be beyond human possibilities.

George Knapp, News Witness 8.

Goodnight everyone.

They are in the right place at the right time.

Flying from the Mojave Desert as a sirocco ...

GEORGE KNAPP LAUREATE RESEARCH JOURNALIST

with a shock wave through the earth, in your city, in your house,

flogging your radio as a supercharged particle

of "inobtenio".

Greetings to all from the boldest city, daring

and shocking the world,

planetary capital of sun, fun, sin, sex and secrets,

my not so humble city of Las Vegas, Nevada.

Many people, myself included,

who likes to focus on large-scale stuff.

Who are these visitors, why they came, the nature of their reality,

what interest they have in us and where they came from.

Those are questions that people made

about the mystery of the UFO from the beginning.

We are not near any answer, but Bob came pretty close.

Bob came to read these reports that provided such answers.

The point is that when covering this story

dedicated much effort to try

he is actually the person he claims to be.

True, it is plausible,

actually that was the focus

but the issue is really important.

We must cover the story of Bob Lazar.

And the only way to do that is to talk to Bob.

And it is not known whether or not he speak, but you need to try.

It will only be a circumstance for you

if at the moment you approach him, your mood,

else that happens in your life at the time,

You could get lucky and get exactly the right time

that the universe is aligned and he wants to talk to you.

But you must have tremendous luck.

Because, usually, Bob does not like to talk about it.

I think it's very happy in your life,

He is happy to have left behind the subject of UFOs,

misses his friends,

John Lear strange, Gene Huff, including me, to some extent.

But no wonder the subject of UFO or talking about it.

Because after all it is annoying. They are annoying issues.

They go to the heart of what we are as a society,

as humans, to the very nature of reality beings.

Is it a computer simulation done?

Are we all the product of an extraterrestrial game?

Or a multidimensional movie,

a theater production for drive-ins or something?

Big questions. uncomfortable responses.

And Bob never felt comfortable talking about it. Never.

In various ways, he reacted like getting in a cocoon. He did not like it.

He did not like attention, and that ruined her life completely.

It is not uncommon that after years,

still uncomfortable discussing these things.

It is a very disturbing vision of reality.

UFO guide for young people. That looks old friend.

Anyway, what we talk about?

We try to ...

My name is Bob Lazar,

I'm known for having worked at a secret base

in the Nevada desert, called S4, near Area 51.

And there we reverse engineering of alien spacecrafts.

That much it changed my life.

Probably it changed every aspect of it.

¿A positive way the negative?

Negative, mostly.

I mean, it is very difficult to find him positives.

There are sure some here and there,

but most were negative.

Would you return everything behind to be just Bob, type of turbo cars,

and having done this, if you could, or you glad your experience?

Yes, it's hard to say.

I do not know. I think I would go for no ...

At this point in my life, I would probably be inclined to say nothing.

And your message for a young person,

notice your story and think about the world,

what would you say?

Just pay attention.

Pay attention. I do not have much to say, really.

Now the world is very different.

How information and how things spread spreads.

Now they distorted more and faster than they used to.

So expect them a difficult path

if they try to find their way through the lies.

What do you want to know?

That in the late 80s, the US government had recovered

several alien spacecraft and technology

in the desert of Nevada, who maintained secret and analyzed.

That's a fact.

They do not need my story, but that's my story.

I was just one of those working in this field.

Well, I'll tell everything instead of to reserve something,

- and then may edit. - In agreement.

- Well, let's start from the beginning. - Very well. Forward then.

How did you get involved in this program?

He had sent my resume to several national laboratories,

a couple of them answered me.

I went to an interview, had a job in mind

and then they kept asking,

mainly about my interests outside of work.

That seemed to care much.

Things like cars to turbines and ...

Clear. "What do in your spare time?".

"He says working on small projects".

I said: "I have a particle accelerator

in my master bedroom "and suchlike.

He spent some time and then called me,

They said there was a physicist at the senior team leaving

the organization and basically I interviewed for the job.

I received many reports to read.

I think they were 121 different reports,

I was made to sit in a room and then had a ...

As they went and actualizaban my authorization

to a level called "majestic" ...

You started reading these reports,

trying to saw some flying saucers,

What was your reaction?

I was very impressed, I could not believe it.

But I was fascinated and excited, I ...

Actually, it is a scientific dream.

At some point, they showed me.

One close, one in operation.

They had taken one of the reactors of the ships,

it was a antimatter reactor.

I was given a demonstration of how it worked,

things he did and their physical foundations.

What I was most interested in was a double reactor

unused element 115.

Which, of course, is impossible. They tried ...

And there had been other projects before,

they used a common nuclear generator fueled with plutonium.

Which was really a futile attempt.

Some people are gravitational sources.

His certainty always governs our attention.

We are attracted by natural law

We requiring not understand the whole mechanism.

But this attraction is like a tide, a current that can not be denied.

And at some point you exhausted.

Llama a George Knapp.

Mobile calling George Knapp.

- Hello George. - Hi friend.

- How are you? How you doing? - Very well. What happens?

30 years since you released the story about Lazar.

That is, the amount of information is overwhelming,

and I just wanted to go over with you some details of the case.

Clear.

We talk about UFOs, alien ships, reverse engineering

and Lazar says he did all that.

And I know, it spread everywhere.

Yeah, you know, we did the first interview in May 1989,

and he introduced himself as Dennis, not his true identity ...

which was not known, he was not disclosed to the public.

Even then, before we knew who it was Bob Lazar,

great interest among the public woke up.

I spent eighteen months between May and November,

trying to check the background of Bob

to see if we could give strength to the case,

and to find out if telling the truth.

And then ... The plan was to launch the story in November,

What did we do...

UFO COVER STORY: THE BEST PROOF

and was the most watched series we have done.

The special news most watched in the history of Las Vegas.

And really she broke out, went around the world.

Pirate copies of the tapes were sold and exhibited in cinemas.

There were media interests around the world.

And I think many were skeptical at first,

which it was predictable, of course.

But in the end, the biggest news organizations in the world

They tried to connect to the 51 area.

And tens of thousands of people began to show up there

to see what is flying in the desert.

They're still going, so many years later.

And many of my media colleagues have had problems with that story,

but all gave coverage, all of them.

Made famous Area 51. It is now known worldwide.

While he is working at S4 Lazar,

Area 51 is the term referred to the public.

So it was huge. Huge then and now.

The mountains seem to float over the dry lake beds.

As a spacecraft from another world.

Seem to walk on a viscous material,

channel, through the empty space up and spreads.

Petrified everything contacts

as a green molasses glass.

A psychedelic liquid damn ...

PARKING AUTOSERVICIO

imaginatively sinking desolation.

RESTAURANT - BAR • WELCOME TO MOTEL Earthlings "HOT ET"

This desert is punctuated by a thousand granulated and huge holes

created by the thousand atomic explosions that define an era.

What are they building in the desert north of Las Vegas?

What are they hiding?

OFFICE - NO ENTRY SECURITY IS REQUIRED AUTHORIZATION

What is your name and what is your relationship with Bob Lazar?

I'm Mario Santa Cruz, and I met Bob in my neighborhood, in fact.

He lived as a street.

I was struck by his car prototype.

I saw it parked outside his home

in our neighborhood, which was very ...

Turbo car was already rare.

But in my neighborhood, see something like this was amazing.

Bob people harassed, threatened him,

and you were with him in one of those experiences, at least.

A couple of times, actually.

In fact, I carried a gun

when we were together, because once he got shot, you know?

What was the weapon? A Uzi?

- Yes Yes.

I do not know why I'm so careful.

I'm used to it when talking about Bob.

To be careful what I say, you understand?

It's like a habit,

walk as on eggshells.

He just wanted to stay alive.

That's why I was exposed.

His life was a mess.

Hell, he retired and had to draw strength from weakness.

It's a pretty amazing story.

Were you fired? Someone shot you, perhaps as a warning.

It was a good warning. They shot my rear wheel

to reach the motorway.

- By ... - Did you see the guy?

Yes.

Is it worth killing to keep the secret?

For the government, I mean. What you think?

Obviously.

But in fact, the only reason

I record for this is security.

I mean, it is a reason, but as an American citizen

bothers you make it happen and ...

Yes, but not enough to

come and record this.

Safety is the real motivation behind this.

He is the one at four months of age, in our little apartment in Florida,

that's me holding it up, a mother proud.

We had a very nice little home in Florida.

Check it out.

One Sunday morning must have been at six,

everyone was asleep and heard a huge explosion.

Bob had put a turbo engine on the bike.

At six o'clock he decided to take it out for a walk.

What did you think when he said: "Mom, Dad, I'm building ..."?

We were scared like crazy.

I did not know what he would do next.

Was he going to blow up the house, blow up the world?

I do not know.

- It's out there, you know? - It's out there.

And if he proves his history,

may cause problems, maybe make a mess.

It is most likely.

But it's better to keep things quiet, actually.

But he has also said he has a way to prove your story.

I want to be happy.

If you want to vindicate himself, okay.

But that depends on it.

You can believe him or not.

It is terrifying to think that there is something out there

of which we know nothing. They are dangerous? You can harm us?

Are we attack? You do not want to know,

so I do not think.

Prefer not to know.

There may be other things in the universe.

It should be. It might not be alone.

Can not be.

My name is Joy and I am the wife of Bob.

We've been together for 17 years.

According to you, what it is most misunderstood about him?

He's really an honest guy.

Not invent things.

I think it's too intense.

So the easiest

It is point it out with your finger and say, "Liar".

Yes, that's very sad.

Very sad, really ...

They do not know the real Bob.

There are special moments that define each of us.

We can not know at the time, but discovered later.

Every action generates a cascade of reactions.

Life is a network of events.

overlapping actions with their consequences.

They are woven into the fabric of time.

The future is determined by the past,

last, defined by this,

and this is seen through the lens of personal history.

But for some, it's obvious.

You can touch it.

That defined, indelible moment when everything changed.

I love my work. There is a lot of craft in what I do.

I like working with my hands.

It is a truly unique work.

I do not think there's another

where this sort of thing every day is done.

Or we get a really interesting order,

Bob bored

and will try to start another project, and that's when everything becomes fun.

So there's something else you want to do.

Recreating a large atomic chemistry set

or something like that, and I think that will be great

If you do decide to perfect it.

This is the game of atomic energy laboratory.

It is something from the 50s, a toy,

as a chemistry set that you buy a child. Gilbert did.

Chemistry is today a fascinating adventure for youth of all ages.

Gilbert has made this interesting science

it is available in an easy to understand way.

He made as safe as it can make human ingenuity.

Actually, this came with radioactive material.

You could really atomic energy experiments with this.

It was fascinating.

It was considered as the most dangerous toy ever created,

and yet, in a sense, it is considered as well.

But the truth is that it was not, it was the fear of people alone.

So here I am watching you work.

If people do not know you, he is very easy

deshumanizarte shit and throw you.

That's very easy to do.

The fact that you say you're not a scientist.

I mean, all I did

They are things related to science, all my life.

So I do not know. I think the issue is: "What does it matter to me

what people think I do not know? ".

And probably yes, to some extent.

But I do not stay in it.

I think it's easier to discredit someone who does not have information

because you can say anything about that person,

and there is nothing I can refute it.

I feel privileged to have worked on that.

So, in a sense, I should not complain.

I usually make an example of what would happen

if you be transporting one of those small portable nuclear reactors

the Victorian era is what you gave scientists then.

But then they did not even know what radiation.

Would a machine that generates energy, as we do,

fascinate and saying, "Wow, this produces a lot of energy,

and no chimneys, no coal, no fuel,

How does this thing work? ".

They begin to disarm.

And they die as approaching the core.

If people were to see what happens, everyone would die

and nobody would know why, if no one touched anything.

And they think it's haunted or something,

there are evil forces in there.

But who says that can not happen now?

The first time Barry showed me the reactor running,

I was in the workbench

and he said, "Try to play the ball up there."

And you could not, you rejected hand.

As with the poles of the same sign in a magnet.

It gives the same impression. But there was no metal.

And that's impressive.

It is, because there's nothing to do that.

There is a very powerful force field running.

So just see something like

immediately generates a chain reaction in your mind.

You think: "If you could do this, it would force fields galore.

There may be things that rise from the ground,

no longer we need turbines or rocket engines.

And that means that the cars would not work. "That is, boom!

That would change the world, the economy, everything.

We could do everything, if we knew how it worked that machine

I had right there touching her.

The potential for recomprendamos

- human experience is ... - Of course.

Clear. That is, there is life elsewhere.

It's very important.

It is important in human history that we have discovered that.

It was...

Fascinating but terrifying at the same time.

I was completely terrified, all day.

Being there is not exactly the most fun job.

Nearly three decades later, fear fades

and you can only fascination, technology that were last exposed.

Here's an ancient artifact from another civilization.

Really change the mindset of many people.

We all seek an answer.

Having a physical test is terribly important.

I think a lot of people convincing Bob,

is legitimately appeared ...

And sometimes he perplexed by what he saw.

Did you notice it?

Yes, he realized that this was strange.

He realized that it is rare that you have hired.

I mean, it's a smart man

and his thought is heterodox, so in many ways

It may have been exactly what they needed

for a program that seemed stalled.

But he knew he did not have the profile to them,

they could have chosen any scientist in the world,

probably to work on this.

So it was weird, and it was rare that began to show

these reports books with this information so sensitive.

From the beginning.

When he arrived, they began to show this material

with extraterrestrial bodies broken

so he could see his organs and history

of human and alien interaction and all sorts of things

the UFO community had suspected,

but no one could prove, and thought it was strange

someone will show this material.

He wondered what the hell happened.

I was amazed, partly I was very amazed

to be there and to see that.

Although it turned out to be a kind of ruse.

But I knew something was not quite right

the whole thing, or suspected.

Since 1989 you tell people that there was a sort of hand scanner,

something like a bone scan, and tried to describe it. Said

taking measurements of the bones,

He had pegs to put hand.

It was a small plate with pegs could be placed between the toes.

He had a bright light above ...

It is interesting when you enter the premises,

or when you leave, you have a palmist.

I said it has to do with measuring ...

A bright light measures the bones of your fingers, are unique in each person.

It sounds like a TV, but it's exactly like that.

I looked for that sort of thing everywhere on the Internet,

but I never found anything, and suddenly

out this article that said that the Nellis range,

It was a covert program,

there was a hand scanner that used in the secret program,

and they announced publicly admitted or,

There were pictures, I was interested, and then ...

I never thought I'd see one of these.

But I tried many times to explain this to people.

I did not believe or say, "Sure, sure there's something."

And here it is. Here it is.

It's like a biometric thing for hands, right?

In the beginning, ie, it was not as advanced then,

but, yes, it's this.

I can not believe you found a picture of this. I really can not.

This was the scanner that was used to enter S4.

And I tried to explain many times people,

I had pegs, hand, got a light above it,

and supposedly measured the length of the bones of the hand,

that is unique to each individual.

It was exactly like that.

Is incredible. It's amazing that you brought these things.

It is amazing to see this again.

So this was the most recent advance.

How does it feel when these things you said

They are made public, and there is little vindication ...

That is, there are little moments of vindication,

bits here and there,

things that make you think: "I told you"

They appear every couple of years or so, but this is important.

Because many people said that this did not exist,

and yes, it was something like ...

Fantasist what I said. But, yes, it's exactly that.

Ideas are the most powerful weapons on the planet.

They crawl under the skin.

Latent, volatile, explosive.

Adhere to our collective consciousness.

And one day rise to the surface to assert its power ...

TURBINE

And when detonate,

life does not return to it.

And we understand immediately that we are always wrong.

We're always wrong, dammit.

I did not think this was a safety issue.

In part yes, of course.

But only the concept that there is definite evidence ...

We even have articles from another world, another system,

simply, you can not not tell everyone.

Check credentials Lazar was a difficult task.

He says he earned degrees in physics and electronics,

but schools we contacted say they do not know.

He also said he worked as a physicist at the Los Alamos National Laboratory,

where he experimented with one of the largest

particle beam accelerators in the world, a monster 800 m

capable of generating 700000000 volts.

Los Alamos officials told

they had no records of Robert Lazar has worked there.

They were mistaken or lying.

A phone book 1982 includes Lazar

a list of other scientists and technicians.

A 1982 newspaper clipping Los Alamos

It presents Lazar and his interest in cars turbine.

Also he mentions use in the laboratory and physical.

We again call Los Alamos, and an exasperated official told us

I still had no records Lazar.

EG & G, where Lazar who interviewed

for work in S4, it has no records.

It's as if someone had done away with.

One thing that is said about your story and your experience

is you were a puppet, a puppet,

you had no control over what was happening at the time,

they took advantage of you or you committed

and you used as a source of disinformation.

And what evidence do they have?

- Clear. - Yes.

What evidence based these arguments?

- Is it just something to say? - No, I'm just saying that's the kind of ...

If you make a statement, you must have some proof

to say where it was taken.

You rely on emotion and fear.

And you're afraid that I'm right.

Tell me why you know that this is impossible.

I try to tell you exactly how things were.

Where is? Show me the alternate reality you think

that does not match my true reality.

That is, where are these other facts are? Show me what are

those facts you have gathered

and that tell a different story of my life of which I counted.

I thought I had clearly said things 30 years ago.

Can we preserve mental health if no one believes us?

If consensus belies our life story?

To most of us we do not force us to respond by our past.

We can now move without referring to what happened before.

But some people are seen as the microscope.

His words, his actions are analyzed and questioned.

And they are told to stop lying.

How much can withstand without undergoing the consequences of mistrust?

Does it return to fade into the shadows that form?

Or attacked verbally?

To record his words in our flesh.

I do not know what else I can say.

What more can I say? How I can try something else?

In the worst case,

a girl lied or did you lie to get a job.

What does that mean in your story?

Do you think Los Alamos hired me after high school?

If you think that is not possible,

something must have happened between them.

I do not understand how everyone gets stuck in minutiae.

Because you can discuss these things forever.

We can return to MIT before.

And you can start fighting over whether or not go,

and about where he lived in high school.

That does not have anything to do with answering the questions

and the things that I have put in public.

That's the important thing.

It almost seems an intentional distraction.

You should pay attention to the big picture.

If you want to investigate everything else,

it's OK, go ahead.

But you must pay attention to what I say.

Because I have better things to do than invent something like this.

I do not care.

No ... I do not like to call public attention.

I do not make money by doing this.

And frankly, she could have invented a better lie.

But I have no reason to lie.

This did not help me at all.

How important it is for history that can not prove their studies?

It was a problem, that is, I was wondering:

Can we move forward if we can not verify

What were their backgrounds?

The fundamental point for me was that if he worked at Los Alamos,

That suggests studied somewhere.

I think I said it a few times.

"What do you think? I was hired after high school?".

I noticed the people who knew him then.

Jim Taliani, for example, said:

"Yes, Bob went to Caltech. I wore it."

I interviewed someone who knew then Bob

and he said he was carrying the Institute,

or would pick the library.

If he did not go to school there,

certainly he endeavored to appear so.

Would there be proven history of working with flying saucers

if we could show that you have titles of the California Institute and MIT?

Of course not.

Not prove that worked with flying saucers,

only he went to college.

People who despises,

and certainly most of its history, critics,

find something else to criticize.

Bob got into trouble once became celebrity UFO,

He did something typical of him

and she went with a harlots, helped them ...

PROSTITUTION SWOOP

to establish a miniburdel in a neighborhood.

And when she told me, I thought, "My God!".

My professional life flickered before my eyes.

The highest profile witness to the greatest story I did

He tells me that he is involved in this criminal enterprise

and he thinks it's funny.

But it was not for me, and I said, "You must stop this,

"You must close". Call the police.

I told some people, "Look, made a mistake,

it is shutting down ".

They raided the place and arrested Bob. And in those days

many people did not judge

nor they arrested for hooliganism. A Lazar itself.

Then the Probation Office,

He did a background check,

and he advised the court

what should be the sentence for his crimes.

He told them the same story. Where I study,

where he worked, the S4 ...

COURT

MIT, Caltech, everything. And they investigated.

They had the same problems as me.

They could not verify much of that.

If Bob was a trickster with UFO,

It was time to clear everything.

Because Probation Office had him marked.

They believed that he was cheating.

And as a result, they would recommend,

Indeed they did, they go to jail.

He knew it. It was time to clarify your situation.

Because it would have more chances of not going to jail.

And did not do it. He kept his story.

He told the same story to me.

That meant a lot to me,

He made me confident that telling the truth.

Because he fully suited sincerarse

at that point, and he did not. He stood his ground.

And that is the question. I can imagine that Bob Lazar

It mocks the UFO community, the world UFO,

I imagine doing something.

But he lies to her parents?

To your wife?

Would you lie to all of your best friends, they tell the same story

and tries to get away with it?

If you talk to people who knew him while this was going on,

I knew him before he contratasen to work in S4,

I knew him at the time came and went from there,

and he remained in their favor

after this whirlwind international publicity

that came up.

All who knew him, all those close

They support their story and claim that tells the truth.

You saw something there that you thought it could have been ...

I hate ... I really hate talking about things that are not within my reach

- and you affirm with certainty. - What did you see?

I went through the lobby and once worked there

and there were doors, which would hangars

and the smallest of the halls, which had square windows

from 20 to 30 cm with the small wires crossed

at the height of the head, and as I walked

I glanced over and noticed ...

At first glance there was ...

There were two guys in white lab coats,

in front of me to the door and they looked down and spoke

with something small with long arms.

I saw him suddenly to walk down that aisle, it was just a look.

But I do not know what the hell was that.

People say you saw an alien. Did you see him in S4, Bob?

I do not think I've seen an alien there.

This is splitting hairs.

This relates to a look through a window

that I was not supposed to see.

And I'm still not convinced.

I looked out the window and thought those guys had a doll

in a small chair that was similar to those that were in the ship.

And I think that sought to calculate the dimensions

and they put something there.

And only I saw at a glance and was

something small sitting in the chair.

I do not think it was an alien posing for them.

I think they had only a small character or something.

To make measurements, perhaps. I repeat that we speak

at a glance about 400 milliseconds, so ...

How could you see that?

I never saw aliens walking around.

I did not hear anyone talk about aliens living, so ...

I do not think it was that.

But they had a nickname for the aliens ...

"Children".

Children.

Is there anyone else here?

How about some visitors interested in us?

In our genes, in our souls.

Perhaps we belong to someone, we're just a damn good.

Or something like cattle.

Perhaps like our condors and our cakes.

The kimonos or hats. Who the hell knows?

Or maybe every watching things in heaven

Be part of our collective consciousness.

False hope that humanity desperately needs,

the intervention of external forces.

We have always looked to the heavens for answers

rather than observe ourselves.

So when, at what time ...? Describes the evolution

your knowledge, when you realize that this

what you were working he had come from a flying saucer.

Of course, I knew that this technology does not exist at all.

- Why? - Because it does not exist.

I work for...

Is...

It is only technology that does not yet exist.

I mean, you talk about ... There ...

Science does not even know what gravity is,

much less how to produce it or control it.

And this is a device that produces possession

and used as propulsion, so ...

Are you telling me that there is a different physical?

That was your job?

The scientific basis was something we were trying to understand.

But we knew how they operated devices.

For example, the propulsion of the ship,

all we have,

is an airplane propeller or turbines, or a rocket,

He throws something behind it.

Whether escapes at high speed or high volume of air.

It is a force of action and reaction.

The action is to throw something back

and that makes you move forward. That's how everything works.

This is the first time a machine

no reaction occurs.

It is a machine propulsion field.

And what it does is create a distortion

in space and time in front of her. In that space is curved, actually.

And my analogy that it was always

like putting a bowling ball in the middle of your bed

and then one foot in front of her,

if you take your fist and press the mattress

the ball will roll into his fist.

That's exactly how it worked the ship.

Creates a distortion in front of her and the ship continues forward.

Right. So it's a different physics ...

Science that explains how the technology works.

It covers the whole part,

alien technology and science.

What is the big picture?

What will be the contribution of your story when you are gone?

You're not a rebellious boy

turbine with a car at Los Alamos.

You're a Bob Lazar different, right?

- True. - What have we learned?

What is the message of your story?

The main thing is the elimination of highly advanced technology.

And the suppression of an unknown science. That is all.

Those two things,

I believe they are all that matter what happened.

Yes, there is another civilization

and as I said, it is a crime

not to tell mankind, but that's a separate issue.

You mean there's something totally different in science

- they do not allow us to know? - So is.

- True. - Is that a true statement?

Yes, it's a truthful statement.

The fact that there is another technologically advanced civilization,

We have some of its objects.

That's really the pinnacle

that there is another civilization

which it is intelligent, of which we have news.

And we have own devices to work.

So it's something very important.

But I think there's a lot to deal with the matter.

Anyway, science and technology can move in a fundamental way,

They can completely change how the world works,

the economy, everything.

So I think that is critical.

- And we have them? - Yes, we have.

No need to believe, but true.

- And did you see? - I've seen.

Do you touched?

I've disassembled.

Once you're exposed to it, just for a moment,

begins to settle in your mind, they are normal things.

As saying: "The 115 belongs to the table, and this ... this flies

and so gravity works, great. "

It's like someone out ... Someone was exposed 1800

a car for a few days. Very quickly it will seem normal.

Most impressive was when I really looked into the saucer.

Seat panel associated with them

They were very small, were perhaps at this distance from the floor.

Like something ... Now, you ...

If we had that, we would not tailored to children.

That was...

It made me think, with the size

of extraterrestrial bodies I saw,

the size of the chairs ...

Memory is a mirage and an object of desire,

changing and ethereal.

It is inherently elusive and malleable.

We recognize it if it fits our fantasies of the moment.

The fear that it is unpredictable.

Can we trust our memories?

And if we can not?

Can we go back to the crime scene

to extract hidden detail

and see more clearly what we have seen?

I told the rhythmic shouting and constant threats

They are a form of hypnosis.

When they ... When did that happen?

It happened almost immediately.

Did they start to yell?

Yes.

Nice place to work.

No. As I said, it was a horrible place to work in the environment.

But when you balance

with what you have around,

You can take it all.

"Yes, go ahead. When returning to flying saucers?".

You subdued hypnosis

to try to remember details

about your job and the physical ...

- Yeah. - what you learned. Right?

- If right. Layne Keck. - All right.

And did you remember anything?

Yes. Specific things, you might have forgotten.

I wanted to try to remember everything that I could

to prove what he was saying.

So it was just another tool.

You know that hypnosis can work to remember ...

Yes. And I had been hypnotized before.

So it had proved that actually does something.

Try to remember some detail.

Did you want to remember something physical that you learned there?

Yes, I wanted to remember as much as I could.

I had so many things in mind.

Just imagine all the things you see.

And each is absolutely fascinating

and something that no one ever had seen. It is a data overload.

So I expected

that hypnosis would relax me enough

in areas where everything was too tight,

and so could start reviewing things like flipping through a book,

and recover even if some tidbits

to clarify more the picture and be able,

possibly explain things better.

Or perhaps locate some of the other types,

or anything, any piece of information.

So yes. It was convenient.

- Did you remember some things ...? - Yes.

- Technically? - Yes.

technical things and other, probably.

Hypnosis is increasingly accepted ...

Layne Beck HIPNOTERAPEUTA

However, there are still many misconceptions about it.

As which?

They believe you enter trance

and the hypnotist does something you do not remember

and suddenly your life changes.

And it's not the case at all. Not think of a mind control.

Breathe deeply and well.

HYPNOSIS SESSION 003 LAZAR

Stop your thoughts and focus only on relaxation.

Now, think only in your head and relax your head.

Now, what I want to do

It is to get as comfortable as you can.

And you relax completely.

Now double your relaxation

and there will be the 100th.

One, zero, zero.

Double your relaxation.

And the number 99 appear instantly.

Bob.

From this moment...

From this moment,

the material will remember what you want.

And there is none of the past, present or future

It will stand.

Bob.

You remember because you want

remember.

THE FINISHING TOUCH WELLNESS

Remember, do it.

In a moment,

when he was hypnotized,

I think he was drawing a reactor,

He is trying to remember what was in the books.

He looked in the book and I said:

"When you're done, you open your eyes and be able to draw".

And he did. But it meant nothing to him.

But it was a drawing he made in this way.

- Can not be! - But it was so.

Then he looked,

He went back and sat here for a moment

and said, "It was because ...". I just had to turn it around.

So is the superconscious,

and it is literal, the subconscious mind takes things literally.

Right. As if the mind is absorbed

all these things, and then he discovered what it was that his mind absorbed.

- He's remembering. - Yes.

I wrote very fast.

I can not imagine what you were thinking.

Because you discover with them the kind of shock.

What is the truth?

Hypnosis is the best tool to get to the truth.

If a person often fabula

You can lie under hypnosis as easily as normal.

But if you really try to get and remember information,

This is the best tool I know.

He came to find out what did not.

We were able to come back, overcome fear

and retrieve these memories.

According to Lazar, his employer was the United States Navy.

He says he and other government employees gathered near EG & G,

They flew at Groom Lake and a few people boarding a bus

with windows painted black or without them and headed to S4.

So get off the bus, what do you see?

It is a very interesting building, has a slope

about 30 degrees.

Which they are the gates of the hangar.

And it has textured paint, but it looks like sand.

It is made to look like a mountain slope.

Whether to hide satellite photographs, or whatever.

He says he never said exactly what work

but he thought it had to do with advanced propulsion.

On his first day, he was told to read a number of reports

and immediately realized was how advanced propulsion.

Energy sources and antimatter reactor

operating amplifiers gravity.

There are two parts in the steering mechanism.

It is a bizarre technology.

There is no physical connection between any of the systems.

They use gravity as a wave, with waveguides, almost like microwave.

The polygraph Terry Tavernetti runs a security operation businesswoman

and is a former police officer in Los Angeles.

It took four tests Lazar

and concluded that it had no intention to deceive.

I left there thinking that ...

TERRY TAVERNETTI polygraph examiner

There was some credibility in what the subject said.

And I contacted some of my colleagues.

Tavernetti sent the test results to a third polygraph

they agreed that seemed true.

Bob has told me many times

he tried everything he could to prove his story.

I wanted to feel better, myself.

And I said, "Would you be willing to take a polygraph test?".

He did not hesitate. Said yes.

Four different tests in four areas of the allegations of Bob.

And the evaluation concluded that there was no intention to deceive.

He says what he thinks is the truth.

I asked this question many times over the years:

"How did he know these things if Bob Lazar was not there?".

I knew there was a place called S4.

I called the office of public information AFB Dallas.

They confirmed. I was told there was a place called S4.

Before Bob Lazar, there was no news in the media

about a place called S4.

He knew it. Also he is known to EG & G

He had an agreement contracting,

if you were going to get a job at Groom Lake,

EG & G was the company for which you would spend.

I knew that there had been researchers at home

for environmental analysis, he remembers their names.

There was a strange name, Mike Thigpen. Now, how did you know?

How did you know that Mike Thigpen works for a federal agency that does that?

After 30 years, though elusive, I found Mike Thigpen.

- I found Thigpen. - That is incredible.

I could not believe it. He is on the East Coast.

I called, I spoke many times with him.

He will not go on camera because they want

cast shadows on the work you did before

but personally, he told me that was his job,

which was exactly what he was doing in Las Vegas in 1989.

And indeed, reminiscent of Bob Lazar.

The most important thing I knew Bob

they were flying is something that looks exactly like the flying saucer

Papoose over the lake.

And they flew on Wednesday night.

And he brought people there for three weeks in a row

and he showed them.

And at least once, maybe two, they videotaped. This is real.

How did he know Bob? There had been no notes

flight or flying saucers at Papoose Lake.

And they were there. They were not on Groom Lake

but on the Papoose Lake.

We check many details that Bob had told us

and that proved true.

The existence of S4, the element 115

it really became an element years later.

The fact that Bob was consulted by the laboratory

that first synthesized element 115, of human manufacture.

There was a long series of things he knew and checked.

These milestones along the way,

no matter how many leave aside,

no matter how many people do not want to believe it,

evidence that tells the truth exceed those of lying.

I agree. And if I did,

I would not be still working on the story

nor publicly defending Bob Lazar.

What was your role when working on this?

What did you do?

What was your job?

We did reverse engineering

of power and propulsion systems of this ship

and we could see if we could duplicate them with available materials.

I wanted to check with you

what you saw, to draw it for people to make an outline.

As you see, like you're there and then.

You must return to the past.

Something I called "sports model".

Under this floor

there are three...

Three large cylindrical devices.

On mounts that allow them

fully rotated 180 degrees

and 360 degree rotation.

Directly above each

there is a small rectangular object.

This is on the top floor.

And these are the amplifiers of gravity.

Seen from above,

would the center. Right in the center

there is a small reactor.

Around this,

in three areas with the same space, they are amplifiers.

Then, this is the side view, and this is from above.

And under these amplifiers, below the lower floor

are the emitters of gravity.

And that is the reactor that powers the amplifiers of gravity.

The amplifier output will issuers gravity background

and the resulting beam of gravity, or wave antigravity can

directing almost anywhere you want.

Here was another level.

I had access and was authorized

to observe the operation of this main level,

gravity amplifiers and the lower level,

issuers of gravity.

There is a higher level

consisting of two areas that I did not know.

I guess it would be kind of navigation engine.

People called "bumps" to these large rectangular areas

at the upper end. I think they were

A set of planar sensors

taking information from the surrounding area,

are patterns of stars or whatever.

And it was his version of a computer or something that made determinations

taking information from these sensors

and he tells the machine how to orient

and where it is in space.

This is what I believe is there.

I do not know for sure, as I said, I was not part of my job,

I just got to believe that.

The central antenna is an extension of the center reactor.

And this is a waveguide that allows

issuing gravity wave, which is a sort of heart-shaped

especially the device.

This is how creates distortion.

These emitters can completely gravity range up to 180 degrees.

And that allows the ship to support

in two of them and plan,

while this swings up and creates a distortion to his forehead,

allowing the ship to slide forward.

And that's how its low-power mode

Omicron configuration works.

Delta configuration uses three.

And unlike science fiction movies where dishes

They fly well,

actually they fly with the belly first. The ship flies along,

leaving the planet's atmosphere, aiming his belly fate,

the three amplifiers focus on destination

and this is how it operates.

That is basically their operation,

and the general arrangement of things inside the machine.

This is an alien spacecraft.

Right. Obviously.

This was the Albuquerque Journal.

- The particle accelerator you had? - Yes.

"TYPE OF UFO" SPOTLIGHT

The guy who promised not to say anything,

I would not say anything about UFOs.

The article title is ...

"The 'type UFO' in the foreground".

Thanks friend.

When this came out, we were sent to firefighters, police,

Inspector area and everyone landed in our house.

Yes, and they wanted to know who he was. Here's "Provider laboratories in controversy".

Watch this.

PROVIDER LABORATORIES IN CONTROVERSY

Originally, what it was supposed to be this?

What the guy said ... article?

- The hydrogen car, I think. - The raid. It was the raid.

- East? - Yes, why.

- "Provider laboratories in controversy". - That's.

The raid in New Mexico.

The guy called and said, "Hey, I heard about the raid and all.

"Can I come and do such a thing?".

He said: "Are you Bob Lazar, the type of Area 51?".

I said, "Yes,

but I do not want to talk about it, this is more important. "

And he: "Do not even mention, no problem".

A SWAT team took home literally?

- Yes Yes.

They did not send a letter or called us.

- Exactly. - We had all the SWAT team

guest in our home.

Hidden things are the most seductive.

The secrets come to the depths of our desire.

Titilan and torment us like the ticking of a clock.

Or as a distant alarm without origin.

They agitate us and force us to react.

Endanger our complacency.

To your faith it lacked an element.

But that's the nature of faith,

there is something looming out there

and promises salvation.

His call has been forwarded to an automated messaging system.

At the tone, please record your message.

HELLO JEREMY, SPEAKS Bob Lazar.

LISTEN OUT. I have to ask something.

Something that came up. IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT

SEND ME A TEXT

TELL ME WHEN YOU AND LOOKS LIKE A GOOD TIME TO CALL YOU.

I DO NOT WANT TO CALL ME.

ONLY I want to ask advice on something.

It's okay? Thanks bye.

Very well. Then the only record of this

You will be on an audio of this single file

and this video clip, I will not cut.

- I'll let you walk. - Understood.

All right. And what I will do then it will encrypt

and put both files in an encrypted thing,

so do not touch unless we decide otherwise.

- If it is okay. - In agreement.

It will be on two discs. But both files are inside an encrypted folder.

So this is the arrangement.

Could you get some piece of element 115 in Los Alamos?

I do not know how much surveillance did me.

Virtually no sure after all this time.

- Same thing ... - Wait a second.

- Do you have your phone? - Yes.

In this point,

Let me take the phone ... put them on the floor there.

I'll put mine.

I mean, there may be good reason for us to have hidden this.

Many people agree to keep this secret.

NEXT DAY BOB suffered another FBI raid

Then, in first place, who I am I to alter this?

And second, who I am I to believe that they think better?

Perhaps already they analyzed all the possibilities ...

IN SWOOP, DIRECTLY they cited this CONVERSATION

and they know how joderían all things.

So nothing guarantees that this revelation

do everything to be great.

There is the same possibility that everything becomes a disaster

and I would take the blame.

They identified themselves as FBI

and they said, "Are you Bob Lazar?".

And one of them took your radio

and he said, "Yes, here it is."

Apparently, they also had marked my house.

And they were deciding whether to enter.

The tape transport vehicles, agents

and the police did not stop the thing.

It was like an episode of The Twilight Zone.

They came in and said, "They'll come some other people,

They should ask some questions. "

Before long, the street was filled with vehicles

and building agents.

It really was extraordinary.

They were initially identified ...?

Yes, they were the FBI and identified.

Then came the State Police

and other agencies do not remember who.

But there were many. A lot.

There was only place to stand. It was crazy.

They had something like a forensic truck, a lot of different agents,

then up signs throughout the building. I mean, obviously,

they were looking for something.

Yes. They said they were looking for some papers,

an old order two years ago on a client

ordering potentially toxic material,

by which they were called.

But that, surely, was an exaggeration.

I looked for the right key and they surrounded me.

It was a surprise,

Whereas you can see all around

and generally should have a car or something.

But I just unhooked me, I left, I took the key

and they started talking from behind. I thought that was very rare.

And it got weirder as the day progressed.

What he got weirder?

The amount of people who came.

Agency after agency.

Computer experts had they reviewed

all computer equipment that had

and had people sectorized the building,

rotulándolo in cubic meters to look at each.

What they wanted was just an order form.

So it's very rare.

- Did they raided twice? - Two.

For more agencies than I remember.

FDA, NRC,

the FBI, but it is usual to come in droves.

And it's hard to know who is who.

- Is this uranium? - Yes.

And why is it used?

In aerospace vehicles, it weighs very little.

It is a very powerful metal ...

And high temperature.

Do you think that while you were shaking ... they were fucking, to some extent?

I do not think they were just fucking with me.

I'm sure they had ulterior motives.

I strongly suspect that there is more

what they say. They were looking

another thing.

What they are supposed to do

It is tie you up, put you in the middle of the room

make everyone watch you and so

develop a story together or try to trick them or whatever.

Then we were all in separate rooms.

There was a bomb squad, one computer,

I think other biohazards,

hazardous materials, the full range.

Because they had no idea what we had in our workshop,

or what we could do,

or if we were going to fight or something.

So came all the FBI in Michigan.

They brought the truck, several rows of cars,

so...

Looking at the life of Bob, there is always the suspicion

there are other reasons when they give you a jolt,

- Because he had that experience. - Yes.

Yes, and this was the second time I know

who they raided, so I always had

this knowledge that someone watches, no matter what you do,

there is always someone watching.

And that must be related to the Area 51 and all that.

It's like that put him on the list.

I think they like to play with him and keep an eye on.

But I do not think

to open a file of 30 years and say:

"Let's figure out the story of Bob,

to find out what had, what other information has ".

I do not necessarily think that,

but there is a kind of culture

Internal of those agencies. They know who this guy is.

And they will look for any reason they can

to cause discomfort

and let you know who they're watching.

That's what I think.

There are too many coincidences to make everything

pure chance. Something is happening.

Everyone knows that history is

you had the element 115 in Los Alamos is in the public domain.

Something you said a while ago.

Do you think what happened has to do with that?

We not address that issue.

Do they try to bother to find 115

you said, 30 years ago, you took from the lab?

People ask about that.

- Yes. - Then let's talk about that.

If you feel comfortable talking about ...

No.

Do not you feel comfortable to talk about it?

No. I do not feel comfortable.

You'd think that after 30 years, who cares what I can say?

Every time I am more convinced that the key to the story is the 115.

If you could get that piece,

and subject it to an independent analysis,

I would prove indisputably that came from elsewhere.

We did not do it.

And it would be a big step to establish that the story that Bob Lazar

It is true, so I think a lot about that.

I think of the experiment cloud chamber.

I receive many emails from people who say:

"Where is that video? It's your obligation to the world

show video, emítanlo ".

And I say: "Look, I have sought,

I have all these boxes of junk, things and tapes,

and news clippings, and I've looked and I can not find him. "

But when someone like you comes and tells me about the story of Bob Lazar,

My mouth is watering. I can not help it, I'm human.

And now, I want to go get that tape.

I reviewed all the tapes

I had Bob on your personal home file

and one of them has written, in a tiny letter,

"Cloud chamber".

And look,

There is less than a minute of that test tape cloud chamber.

I got it.

People were so angry with me for years

that he could not find the tape, or if they thought the hidden purpose.

But I looked everywhere.

And if you found her, it's amazing.

I did it. However, as is typical with Bob Lazar,

there is only one minute of recording.

Anyway, after 30 years, we have some footage of that.

But proves nothing is recorded ...

I was there the night they did the test cloud chamber.

I could not tell what it was, I did not know it was a cloud chamber.

This "ray" of light was curved.

And it was because they had the element 115

part of the experiment.

That's very important, it would be great to include it in the story.

I spent some time trying to understand why everyone said

that stabilization 115 is pseudo.

And I called some of the best physicists specializing in heavy elements,

from Russia to San Francisco and Washington, DC

And I talked to eight or nine,

but three in particular that I spoke in depth,

and everyone in general said: "You can not rule out

"There is a stabilized version of element 115.

"In fact, we believe that it has been theorized that

"Island of stability, it was possible

"And that probably exists".

And so, the way he said it: "We can not rule it out."

So with all that said is pseudoscience

what Bob said about the 115. I wanted to find out element

si es pseudoscience.

And finally, we can not rule out a stabilized form of element 115.

Sorry, not pseudoscience.

And after doing this research

that argument no longer holds.

It makes sense that it could be stable.

And scientists have said for a long time.

So it can not be ruled out.

Still, if you do not want to believe in Bob,

If you want to remove it from the list and say it's a fraud,

Your research is very shallow,

and you say the element 115, as he describes, can not exist,

and you let it.

If you want to be more honest and investigate and understand,

you will discover that, in fact, what it says Bob makes sense

and it may be true.

Element 115 was what we call the fuel

which it provided the energy that was operating the reactor

What about gravity and the item 115?

Element 115 affects gravity.

It produces its own gravitational energy.

He had a very specific manufacturing technique.

I not really know how that information appeared.

His code name was "1000".

So they called out from headquarters.

its purpose

was supposed to be, once again, a code to deceive,

It was supposed to be a sophisticated tank.

It is not a usual material we can take it to a national laboratory,

This is 1000, classified material, a tank very advanced.

With rare that all questions are avoided.

And so, immediately you start trading with lies.

It is...

combustible

It is in the form of ...

a three-dimensional thin triangle with rounded edges all.

In a similar copper color.

That reddish-brown ...

The way it is produced is really critical.

It is not simply cuts a heavy sheet material.

a cylinder of this material.

It machine

to convert it into a cone. And so...

the outside with a lathe or the like is lime,

until you get a three-dimensional cone.

Once you have the cone ...

it is cut into slices,

A) Yes.

And those slices become this.

But even this early piece,

the solid cylinder is a solid cylinder.

It consists of many stacked disks.

That fuse together to produce it.

All these steps are necessary to produce a triangle can

to make fuel. So really, if you were

to see how it becomes this, they would actually

pieces of all these discs, cut into unusual angles.

Apparently, you not do all this

if it does not work.

But unfortunately, that's all I know about it.

It does not make any sense.

But it is what it takes to operate.

This alien technology on the ship

part of that base,

that additional gravitational energy in a small reactor

which amplifies it by these teams,

He directed through the guides and wave arches

to issuers

and allows propel the apparatus

and manipulate the gravitational wave for whatever they want to use it.

How can it be true? I do not believe a word.

But you expect people to believe that ...

No, I will not make anyone change his mind. It is not my intention.

Only convey the experience, the work I did.

It's a fantastic thing. A fantastic story.

But is it true?

It's true. These machines came from another ...

Not just another planet, but from another solar system.

Extremely remote.

And they're here.

I mean, I make fireworks for 12 years.

And professional fireworks for 20 years.

Fireworks are fun, art. How to paint in the sky.

Controlling a lot of energy was always impressive.

Since leaving the story in the New York Times,

since Lou Elizondo was released, he sent those videos were made public,

now the world talks about the UFO more seriously.

I think that's good and it has positive effects

for the story of Bob Lazar.

And I hope the world will watch again.

This is the bike turbine, the turbine car ...

Yes, that they require a lot of energy,

which is often thought that is out of control,

take it, seize it and make it do what you want

It is something that always impressed me.

The easy solution is: "He's a liar, he is brewing."

It is difficult to move forward and accept the possibility

that he is telling the truth.

But if you do not believe him,

If I thought for a moment he's lying,

leave everything aside.

I would not be supporting yet, after 30 years.

Your life has been under a microscope.

Every word you recorded for 30 years has been under a microscope,

and that has affected you.

Yeah sure. Affect anyone.

How did it affect you?

On the way I speak and what I do.

Prefer not do it in a public place and I'd rather not say anything.

Why do you think people are so obsessed

with every word you say about your experiences?

They seek only way to find an inaccuracy

and to rule the whole thing.

"Once he said this, and now he said it in a different way.

"Obviously, it is brewing."

That's the first word that came to my mind.

I do not think much about what I say.

Because even though some people detest this,

this issue really happened.

Ie if that bothers you, what a shame.

I think it's hard to accept for people. So...

Yes, it would ... I understand perfectly.

I feel the same.

I do not know if you would believe my story.

"There is insufficient evidence, friend", you know,

but not the rule.

The fact is that those who know him best are the ones who believe him.

I hope your film will note how the real Bob is.

Once you know it, your story becomes much more plausible.

It is not cheating on his mom, his dad, his wife and all his friends.

It is not deceiving the world UFO.

- Did you see alien ships? - Yes.

Worked on an amplification system of gravitational waves,

trying to understand.

Yes, a propulsion system and a power source

totally unknown to mankind.

Is there no way that human beings have done?

There is no way that humans do,

under any circumstances, in any country, anywhere. Point.

Do we have you told the truth for 30 years?

Insurance.

- This shit happened? - So is.

The fact is that the raid took place in Michigan

It was a very dramatic and very important development.

They were not looking records

a client who had a couple of years,

115 sought.

When you take two dozen agents and investigators

analysts and crime labs,

and you can take people to copy the entire computer, all that,

is you're looking for something else.

They are sure that they are not looking for a lower bill.

People can not believe the 115 is real, but someone thinks,

because that's what they came for.

If you want to delete this and do not want to believe it, it's fine.

I do not care what people believe or disbelieve.

But Bob tells the truth.

And once you realize that, changes everything for you.

For me it changed everything.

Deciphering a life to its seams,

dissect and examine its content is disturbing.

How to read omens in the entrails.

We all have our own stories.

And sometimes even we believe.

And sometimes,

We count them again last.

If you do not believe, it's your problem.

What you do with that is up to you.

I speak the truth.

I have tried to prove it. What's happening there

It may be the most important event in history.

Talk contact, physical contact

and testing of another system, another planet, another intelligence.

This must be the greatest event in history. And point.

- And it's real. - It's real and it's there.

And I've had a very small part in it,

but I am convinced that what I saw is absolute proof of that.

There is no way that we have created these systems.

There is no way that we built the dishes, energy sources,

none of that.

Lazar says he has no intention to participate in conferences UFO.

do not plan to offer more interviews.

In fact, I was not excited to do this.

He did after certain unfavorable things

They began to happen in your life.

And he did it because he feels that whoever runs the show

S4 is perpetrating a fraud against the people of the United States

and against the scientific community.

We hope to contribute much more to this story,

on operations there Monday onwards.

This is not the end, in any way, this series of reports.

In fact, on Monday we will include in our history

testimonies support other people who say they have knowledge

flying saucers on the location of the tests

and information from people who know very well Lazar,

and he insists that his story is true.

Even George, if you have those flying saucers,

It seems to be very difficult to keep this secret.

Yes, it looks that way.

Except that Lazar was asked what his superiors,

and said it is the easiest to keep secret.

It has leaked many times and nobody believes it.

But what the Navy says about it?

It is assumed that the Navy was his employer,

and we have made several equable questions,

but, of course, it can not be treated in the Navy.

The information is so compartmentalized there

nobody knows who's in charge.

We have questioned several departments of the Navy,

and responses so far have been unsatisfactory.

We asked for more information, protected by the freedom of information law.

And also we disclose that information Monday.

You believe in your story, right?

Yes, I think so. I have come to know him well in recent months,

and I think it tells the truth.

- It is fascinating. - Thanks, George.

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