Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated:
1
00:00:32,032 --> 00:00:33,452
Hello.
2
00:00:33,492 --> 00:00:35,742
We're here with a woman who alleges
3
00:00:35,786 --> 00:00:38,036
to be my mother.
4
00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:39,750
I don't buy it for a minute.
5
00:00:39,790 --> 00:00:42,670
But this is how we'll find out.
6
00:00:44,128 --> 00:00:45,628
I have proof.
7
00:00:45,671 --> 00:00:47,421
You have films.
8
00:00:47,465 --> 00:00:51,465
I have films and I have a certificate.
9
00:00:51,510 --> 00:00:54,010
You have the films that I'm happy.
10
00:00:54,054 --> 00:00:57,564
Oh, yes. Well, because you doubted it for so long.
11
00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,520
You knew that I was gonna doubt it later,
12
00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,480
so you filmed me being happy.
13
00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,400
No, I thought that if you filmed children,
14
00:01:03,439 --> 00:01:06,189
and you had happy children and then you filmed it--
15
00:01:06,233 --> 00:01:08,983
- Exposure!
- Who knew when you were going to grow up
16
00:01:09,028 --> 00:01:12,068
and say, "I'm very unhappy," and "That's a fake film," that I made it up.
17
00:01:12,114 --> 00:01:13,704
This is getting so ugly so fast.
18
00:01:15,493 --> 00:01:17,703
You have to try to concentrate
19
00:01:17,745 --> 00:01:21,405
on the fact that you did have,
sometimes, good times.
20
00:01:21,457 --> 00:01:24,207
I know that I did! I had a very good time.
21
00:01:24,251 --> 00:01:26,001
See how you yelled?
22
00:01:26,045 --> 00:01:27,995
At your mother?
23
00:01:28,047 --> 00:01:30,127
What about Todd?
24
00:01:30,174 --> 00:01:32,514
Do you like Todd better than me?
25
00:01:32,551 --> 00:01:34,971
No. It's just that you're different.
26
00:01:35,012 --> 00:01:37,262
- Every child is different, so--
- I don't buy this.
27
00:01:37,306 --> 00:01:39,926
You never bought anything that I said, so...
28
00:01:39,975 --> 00:01:42,265
Okay, what does he get in the will and what do I get?
29
00:01:42,311 --> 00:01:44,731
Oh, I'm not gonna tell anybody that.
30
00:01:49,276 --> 00:01:52,066
If we lived together, we would argue.
31
00:01:52,112 --> 00:01:54,452
Yes.
32
00:01:54,490 --> 00:01:56,240
It's possible.
33
00:03:36,884 --> 00:03:39,344
How long has it been done for?
34
00:03:39,386 --> 00:03:41,006
I'm done for.
35
00:03:42,348 --> 00:03:43,508
Ugh!
36
00:03:43,557 --> 00:03:46,017
Fucking criminy!
37
00:03:46,060 --> 00:03:49,140
I'm gonna go help my mother pack.
38
00:03:49,188 --> 00:03:52,518
My mother is performing a show in Connecticut.
39
00:03:52,566 --> 00:03:54,646
I tried to stop her,
40
00:03:54,693 --> 00:03:59,363
but that is like throwing yourself in front of a...
41
00:03:59,406 --> 00:04:01,526
Oh, what are those called?
42
00:04:01,575 --> 00:04:03,365
Not tiramisus.
43
00:04:03,410 --> 00:04:06,200
Tsunami. See?
She's "Tsu-Mommy."
44
00:04:06,246 --> 00:04:10,496
And I threw myself in front of Tsu-Mommy,
and it didn't work.
45
00:04:10,542 --> 00:04:12,332
She loves doing it when she's doing it,
46
00:04:12,378 --> 00:04:16,128
but afterwards, she was laying on the floor, so...
47
00:04:16,173 --> 00:04:20,183
But in a good, dignified, movie star way.
48
00:04:21,845 --> 00:04:25,465
Mother and I live next door to each other,
49
00:04:25,516 --> 00:04:30,386
separated by one daunting hill.
50
00:04:30,437 --> 00:04:32,847
I usually come to her.
51
00:04:34,942 --> 00:04:36,782
I always come to her.
52
00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:43,910
Mommy!
Mommy, I'm home!
53
00:04:43,951 --> 00:04:45,531
Hello!
54
00:04:45,577 --> 00:04:48,497
Where--
look, you cannot keep that phone.
55
00:04:48,539 --> 00:04:50,789
It's ridiculous.
56
00:04:50,833 --> 00:04:54,713
That's from the early '90s, when they first invented cell phones.
57
00:04:54,753 --> 00:04:56,803
- But I--
- That was one of the originals.
58
00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:58,299
I don't want to buy a new one.
59
00:04:58,340 --> 00:05:00,880
The old phone works fine.
60
00:05:00,926 --> 00:05:03,676
Just dandy.
61
00:05:03,721 --> 00:05:05,391
- It's horrible.
- Oh! There she is.
62
00:05:05,431 --> 00:05:07,811
- Look. Look at all the--
- Do you know how to do it?
63
00:05:07,850 --> 00:05:11,180
- Do you know how to do it?
- No. No one knows how to use those anymore.
64
00:05:11,228 --> 00:05:13,558
That is a beautiful puff.
65
00:05:13,605 --> 00:05:17,315
Thank you for the beautiful soufflé.
66
00:05:17,359 --> 00:05:18,979
- I love it.
- Is it good?
67
00:05:21,613 --> 00:05:23,533
You want to sing with me?
68
00:05:23,574 --> 00:05:26,074
Debbie, what do you wear in the show?
69
00:05:26,118 --> 00:05:28,618
A very heavy beaded dress.
70
00:05:28,662 --> 00:05:30,502
It is quite beautiful.
71
00:05:30,539 --> 00:05:33,669
It's beautiful,
but it weighs more than she does.
72
00:05:33,709 --> 00:05:35,499
It does weigh--
73
00:05:35,544 --> 00:05:37,924
it does weigh about 50 pounds.
74
00:05:37,963 --> 00:05:40,633
- But it's so beautiful.
- Worth it!
75
00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:44,760
Now, that's-- that's Elizabeth's.
76
00:05:44,803 --> 00:05:46,263
This belonged to...
77
00:05:46,305 --> 00:05:49,095
I bought that at Elizabeth Taylor's auction.
78
00:05:49,141 --> 00:05:51,851
- I won it.
- This is when-- during her muumuu phase.
79
00:05:51,894 --> 00:05:53,814
Yeah. Well, it's pretty, really.
80
00:05:53,854 --> 00:05:55,524
Look.
81
00:05:55,564 --> 00:05:58,114
It has a drag queen element.
82
00:05:58,150 --> 00:06:01,530
Oh, now, just do what your mother says.
It makes life easier.
83
00:06:01,570 --> 00:06:02,690
As if.
84
00:06:02,738 --> 00:06:04,198
- Yeah.
- All right.
85
00:06:04,239 --> 00:06:05,699
You remember me? I'm your mother.
86
00:06:05,741 --> 00:06:07,661
- I remember.
- Tammy, Tammy...
87
00:06:07,701 --> 00:06:10,871
I keep you very close, so--
constant reminder.
88
00:06:10,913 --> 00:06:12,703
Is this for the show?
89
00:06:12,748 --> 00:06:14,248
I forgot I had it.
90
00:06:14,291 --> 00:06:15,871
That's what's good about losing your memory
91
00:06:15,918 --> 00:06:18,418
is there's so many surprises in the world.
92
00:06:18,462 --> 00:06:21,172
I have found some things work.
93
00:06:21,215 --> 00:06:23,215
Not enough.
94
00:06:23,258 --> 00:06:24,798
There's never enough Listerine.
95
00:06:24,843 --> 00:06:26,513
I'm gonna go fill it. I'm just gonna go fill it.
96
00:06:26,553 --> 00:06:29,643
Remember, we had a relative that drank Listerine...
97
00:06:29,681 --> 00:06:33,601
- She was an alcoholic.
- ...and 18 bottles of vanilla.
98
00:06:33,644 --> 00:06:34,814
- Okay.
- That's it. That's all.
99
00:06:34,853 --> 00:06:36,653
Okay, look.
100
00:06:36,688 --> 00:06:38,228
Turn around this way because your rear end
101
00:06:38,273 --> 00:06:40,113
is to the camera.
102
00:06:40,150 --> 00:06:42,900
Oh, my God.
103
00:06:42,945 --> 00:06:45,525
I don't like not knowing what's happening.
104
00:06:45,572 --> 00:06:48,242
- I worry a little.
- That's very sweet.
105
00:06:48,283 --> 00:06:50,413
I worry what the show costs you.
106
00:06:50,452 --> 00:06:52,122
That's all. I know you like to do it.
107
00:06:52,162 --> 00:06:54,962
I have caught up with a few people in age.
108
00:06:54,998 --> 00:06:56,618
Whoa!
109
00:06:56,667 --> 00:06:59,247
But they're in bed and you're doing a show.
110
00:06:59,294 --> 00:07:01,594
Like George Burns says,
111
00:07:01,630 --> 00:07:03,260
I'm gonna stay on stage until I drop dead.
112
00:07:03,298 --> 00:07:05,378
And then I'm gonna have myself stuffed,
113
00:07:05,425 --> 00:07:07,005
like Trigger,
114
00:07:07,052 --> 00:07:08,762
and then I'll put me in a museum.
115
00:07:08,804 --> 00:07:10,144
- That's nice.
- Do you like that?
116
00:07:10,180 --> 00:07:12,060
Or we could just leave this house...
117
00:07:12,099 --> 00:07:14,769
I totally understand why she's doing it,
118
00:07:14,810 --> 00:07:17,310
and it makes me nervous.
119
00:07:17,354 --> 00:07:20,864
She'll forget she's not 35.
120
00:07:20,899 --> 00:07:23,479
You know, it doesn't make sense to her
121
00:07:23,527 --> 00:07:26,647
that her body isn't cooperating.
122
00:07:26,697 --> 00:07:31,027
And she just thinks if she ignores it,
123
00:07:31,076 --> 00:07:33,946
it'll go away.
124
00:07:33,996 --> 00:07:39,076
Everything in me
demands that my mother be as she always was,
125
00:07:39,126 --> 00:07:42,376
even if that way is irritating.
126
00:07:42,421 --> 00:07:44,591
She just can't change.
127
00:07:44,631 --> 00:07:46,721
That's the rule.
128
00:07:46,758 --> 00:07:49,218
And she's fucking with me.
129
00:07:49,261 --> 00:07:50,841
Age is--
130
00:07:50,888 --> 00:07:53,678
it's horrible for all of us,
131
00:07:53,724 --> 00:07:57,894
but she falls from a greater height.
132
00:08:44,650 --> 00:08:47,530
Debbie's light goes to the ears.
133
00:08:47,569 --> 00:08:48,939
- Yes or no?
- Yes.
134
00:08:48,987 --> 00:08:51,067
Okay. You know, all this stuff
135
00:08:51,114 --> 00:08:53,494
is, like, blocked in your template.
136
00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,080
And I think I only got nervous once
137
00:09:00,123 --> 00:09:04,083
when I performed for the Queen of England.
138
00:09:04,127 --> 00:09:07,587
I went over with Bob Hope to do a show,
139
00:09:07,631 --> 00:09:09,381
and I did get a little nervous there.
140
00:09:09,424 --> 00:09:13,974
The crown, the jewels kind of threw me a little bit.
141
00:09:14,012 --> 00:09:17,012
But as a rule, I don't--
I don't get nervous.
142
00:09:17,057 --> 00:09:19,927
I just have a good time.
143
00:09:19,977 --> 00:09:23,017
I've been doing this my whole life.
144
00:09:23,063 --> 00:09:26,313
You know, I started performing when I was 16.
145
00:09:26,358 --> 00:09:28,398
Will you know your set already and everything?
146
00:09:28,443 --> 00:09:30,283
Oh, yes, I'm all set.
147
00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,240
I carry my script in my beat-up folder.
148
00:09:34,283 --> 00:09:37,583
You can see how beat up.
149
00:09:37,619 --> 00:09:42,249
And all the edges are all worn out.
150
00:09:42,291 --> 00:09:46,671
And if you can make people smile a little,
laugh a little,
151
00:09:46,712 --> 00:09:49,752
just enjoy themselves for a moment...
152
00:09:49,798 --> 00:09:52,418
It's not "Macbeth," you know.
153
00:09:52,467 --> 00:09:53,927
How are you tonight?
154
00:09:53,969 --> 00:09:55,509
You're such a nice, attractive audience.
155
00:09:55,554 --> 00:09:57,104
Now, you don't mind if I come out, do you?
156
00:09:57,139 --> 00:09:58,309
See, I like to visit with you.
157
00:09:58,348 --> 00:09:59,638
Otherwise, I'm stuck up there.
158
00:09:59,683 --> 00:10:01,603
I've seen my act. Good evening.
159
00:10:01,643 --> 00:10:03,523
I used to go out in the audience.
160
00:10:03,562 --> 00:10:04,892
I used to do that.
161
00:10:04,938 --> 00:10:07,898
I used to wear a girdle, too,
162
00:10:07,941 --> 00:10:09,231
and I don't do that anymore.
163
00:10:11,903 --> 00:10:14,743
So, it's like the old days, in a way,
164
00:10:14,781 --> 00:10:16,361
but I'm like the old days, so...
165
00:10:18,243 --> 00:10:20,793
Can you do me a favor while you're down there?
166
00:10:20,829 --> 00:10:21,999
Yeah?
167
00:10:22,039 --> 00:10:24,249
- You see that toe?
- Uh-huh.
168
00:10:24,291 --> 00:10:27,041
That has to come around.
169
00:10:27,085 --> 00:10:29,285
That...
170
00:10:29,338 --> 00:10:31,958
See that? It has to go to the--
171
00:10:32,007 --> 00:10:33,417
- Underneath?
- Yeah.
172
00:10:34,676 --> 00:10:37,006
Thank you.
173
00:10:37,054 --> 00:10:39,724
I'm pulling
your leg, huh?
174
00:10:39,765 --> 00:10:42,715
I have to do it. Thank you. Thank you.
175
00:10:42,768 --> 00:10:45,938
Okay, Kevin is gonna do, like, an introductory thing.
176
00:10:45,979 --> 00:10:47,349
Five minutes, yeah.
177
00:10:47,397 --> 00:10:50,317
Yeah. So, when do you want him to start?
178
00:10:50,359 --> 00:10:51,689
When?
179
00:10:51,735 --> 00:10:53,895
But David's already asked me this.
180
00:10:53,945 --> 00:10:56,775
Oh, he did? He didn't tell him, though.
181
00:10:56,823 --> 00:10:58,533
- Now.
- Now.
182
00:10:58,575 --> 00:11:00,115
Go!
183
00:11:03,955 --> 00:11:05,495
Oh!
184
00:11:12,589 --> 00:11:14,759
I look around and I see all you nice men.
185
00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,510
You're very sweet. I'm sure you're nice.
186
00:11:16,551 --> 00:11:19,341
It's just that if there's a nice guy around,
187
00:11:19,388 --> 00:11:22,348
I'm not gonna find him.
188
00:11:22,391 --> 00:11:24,641
- You remember Eddie Fisher?
- Yes.
189
00:11:24,684 --> 00:11:27,484
Carrie told me, "Mommy, doesn't--
190
00:11:27,521 --> 00:11:30,941
doesn't it start to look like Eddie's the good one?"
191
00:11:32,526 --> 00:11:34,936
After Eddie, I married again.
192
00:11:34,986 --> 00:11:37,856
He was very rich, too. That was helpful.
193
00:11:37,906 --> 00:11:40,156
I thought that was very nice.
194
00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,580
But then I found out, after we were married,
195
00:11:42,619 --> 00:11:47,039
he was a gamble-oholic, and he lost all of his money.
196
00:11:47,082 --> 00:11:49,712
I should have married Burt Reynolds.
197
00:11:49,751 --> 00:11:52,461
I wouldn't have to change my last name.
198
00:11:54,548 --> 00:11:56,758
And we could share wigs.
199
00:12:01,138 --> 00:12:03,298
So, I thought, I'll bring along
200
00:12:03,348 --> 00:12:05,888
some of my first movies.
201
00:12:05,934 --> 00:12:07,984
We had a lot of fun in those days.
202
00:12:21,616 --> 00:12:24,526
Now, this is my one little hit.
203
00:12:24,578 --> 00:12:26,328
It's called "Tammy."
204
00:12:26,371 --> 00:12:28,331
Here we go.
205
00:12:33,712 --> 00:12:35,552
Start over again.
206
00:12:35,589 --> 00:12:37,339
Maybe something will come out.
207
00:13:25,263 --> 00:13:28,223
People were loving it. That was so awesome.
208
00:13:28,266 --> 00:13:29,766
Okay, we're going this way, though.
209
00:13:31,102 --> 00:13:32,442
Great.
210
00:13:39,778 --> 00:13:41,278
Good.
211
00:13:41,321 --> 00:13:42,901
Okay.
212
00:13:42,948 --> 00:13:44,358
And...
213
00:13:44,407 --> 00:13:46,117
one more.
214
00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:47,239
Okay.
215
00:13:47,285 --> 00:13:49,405
Boom!
216
00:13:49,454 --> 00:13:51,834
- Debbie, that was amazing!
- It wasn't easy.
217
00:13:51,873 --> 00:13:53,373
Debbie, that was...
218
00:13:53,416 --> 00:13:55,246
It is very frustrating for her,
219
00:13:55,293 --> 00:13:58,843
because inside, my mom is the same person.
220
00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:00,420
- Thank you.
- Thank you for having me.
221
00:14:00,465 --> 00:14:01,875
And she doesn't want to retire.
222
00:14:01,925 --> 00:14:03,545
She does not want to retire.
223
00:14:03,593 --> 00:14:04,973
You were great.
224
00:14:20,068 --> 00:14:23,068
Performing gives her life.
225
00:14:23,113 --> 00:14:27,993
It feeds her in a way that family cannot.
226
00:14:28,034 --> 00:14:31,834
That's why I think it-- we've always been frustrating.
227
00:14:31,871 --> 00:14:35,621
Because... it's not--
228
00:14:35,667 --> 00:14:38,287
people aren't cooperative,
audiences are.
229
00:14:38,336 --> 00:14:40,586
When you're her, they are.
230
00:14:43,133 --> 00:14:45,093
Where are you? Come here. Come on.
231
00:14:45,135 --> 00:14:48,425
Come on. Junie, don't you want to see the kid?
232
00:14:48,471 --> 00:14:50,051
Come on, sing it for your old mother.
233
00:14:51,766 --> 00:14:54,226
Besides, I have to retire soon.
234
00:14:54,269 --> 00:14:58,559
I had been singing in my mother's act since I was about 13.
235
00:14:58,607 --> 00:15:00,147
Would you sing my favorite for me?
236
00:15:00,191 --> 00:15:01,771
It's for Junie and Jerry.
237
00:15:01,818 --> 00:15:03,528
Don't say no.
238
00:15:03,570 --> 00:15:05,740
Just sing right out.
239
00:15:05,780 --> 00:15:08,030
Whoo!
240
00:15:08,074 --> 00:15:11,414
My mother wanted to be able to groom me
241
00:15:11,453 --> 00:15:13,163
for show business.
242
00:15:36,978 --> 00:15:40,808
The biggest thing I did that broke my mother's heart
243
00:15:40,857 --> 00:15:43,067
was not do a nightclub act.
244
00:15:47,489 --> 00:15:51,279
My mother would say, "Do drugs.
Do whatever you need to do.
245
00:15:51,326 --> 00:15:53,906
But why don't you sing?"
246
00:15:55,497 --> 00:15:57,457
That was my big rebellion.
247
00:16:06,466 --> 00:16:09,966
Carrie's daddy, Eddie, had a great voice, you know.
248
00:16:10,011 --> 00:16:12,261
Really beautiful voice.
249
00:16:12,305 --> 00:16:15,555
I guess she doesn't want to be Eddie
and she doesn't want to be Debbie.
250
00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,020
She wants to be Carrie, so she'll do it her way.
251
00:16:37,872 --> 00:16:39,962
I love that voice.
252
00:16:39,999 --> 00:16:42,209
Isn't that a great voice?
253
00:16:42,252 --> 00:16:44,252
I wish I had it.
254
00:16:47,632 --> 00:16:49,842
Take a bow, take a bow, take a bow.
255
00:16:49,884 --> 00:16:52,644
Bravo! Bravo!
256
00:16:52,679 --> 00:16:54,719
Bravo!
257
00:16:54,764 --> 00:16:57,644
That's not bad for a 15-year-old, is it?
258
00:17:16,411 --> 00:17:18,871
So, this is the compound.
259
00:17:18,913 --> 00:17:23,213
It was built by Robert Armstrong, who was in "King Kong,"
260
00:17:23,251 --> 00:17:26,961
who said, "'Twas beauty killed the beast."
261
00:17:27,005 --> 00:17:29,795
I've lived in this for-- let me see--
262
00:17:29,841 --> 00:17:31,671
20 years.
263
00:17:31,718 --> 00:17:33,758
This is the lobby.
264
00:17:33,803 --> 00:17:36,393
This is where early mornings are spent
265
00:17:36,431 --> 00:17:38,351
with people who drink coffee.
266
00:17:38,391 --> 00:17:41,771
And there's a hummingbird nest.
267
00:17:41,811 --> 00:17:44,311
Look how teeny.
268
00:17:44,355 --> 00:17:46,105
This is the bathroom.
269
00:17:46,149 --> 00:17:49,479
It has, as a lot of bathrooms should,
270
00:17:49,527 --> 00:17:51,277
a player piano in it.
271
00:17:51,321 --> 00:17:54,241
This is Bette Davis when she lived here.
272
00:17:54,282 --> 00:17:57,122
This is my suitcase, Robert.
273
00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:58,080
Oh.
274
00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,789
Ugly children portraiture.
275
00:18:00,830 --> 00:18:03,620
They did this thing in the last century
276
00:18:03,666 --> 00:18:07,746
where they dressed boys in girls' clothing.
277
00:18:07,796 --> 00:18:10,956
He looks like Ross Perot in red.
278
00:18:11,007 --> 00:18:15,257
Shia LaBeouf as a Dutch underage prostitute.
279
00:18:15,303 --> 00:18:17,053
And Richard Dreyfuss
280
00:18:17,096 --> 00:18:19,676
as a young girl wielding a rose.
281
00:18:19,724 --> 00:18:21,684
Richard likes that.
282
00:18:21,726 --> 00:18:26,096
Now, this just happens to be probably an unhappy woman
283
00:18:26,147 --> 00:18:29,147
that looks like Kevin Spacey.
284
00:18:29,192 --> 00:18:31,612
They sold this on the Internet
285
00:18:31,653 --> 00:18:34,403
as a Princess Leia sex doll.
286
00:18:36,241 --> 00:18:38,241
Maybe this.
287
00:18:41,871 --> 00:18:43,911
There's no way of accounting for it.
288
00:18:43,957 --> 00:18:46,707
My daughter, Billie.
289
00:18:46,751 --> 00:18:48,581
My brother and myself.
290
00:18:48,628 --> 00:18:50,208
And Billie.
291
00:18:50,255 --> 00:18:51,995
And my mother and Judy Garland.
292
00:18:52,048 --> 00:18:54,168
And my friend, Charlie, at the dentist
293
00:18:54,217 --> 00:18:57,427
with his mouth widely displayed.
294
00:18:59,013 --> 00:19:01,683
My house-- I love it.
295
00:19:01,724 --> 00:19:04,814
It's like scavenger hunting.
296
00:19:04,853 --> 00:19:06,693
And my mother--
297
00:19:06,729 --> 00:19:09,439
there's part of it she kind of tolerates.
298
00:19:09,482 --> 00:19:13,322
"Well, this is just Carrie's thing."
299
00:19:13,361 --> 00:19:17,491
This is the opposite of the house that I grew up in.
300
00:19:21,286 --> 00:19:24,116
The house we lived in was very grand
301
00:19:24,163 --> 00:19:26,293
when I was growing up.
302
00:19:26,332 --> 00:19:29,422
It was marble and glass.
303
00:19:29,460 --> 00:19:31,250
Cold.
304
00:19:31,296 --> 00:19:34,916
And there was just too much air in it.
305
00:19:34,966 --> 00:19:38,586
Family-wise, we didn't grow up with each other,
306
00:19:38,636 --> 00:19:41,096
we grew up around each other.
307
00:19:41,139 --> 00:19:42,929
You know, like trees.
308
00:19:45,059 --> 00:19:48,099
My mother, she worked a lot.
309
00:19:48,146 --> 00:19:51,356
And then Harry, her husband at the time,
310
00:19:51,399 --> 00:19:55,149
he was the original fancy-man, rich guy.
311
00:19:56,237 --> 00:19:58,777
It was a prototype life.
312
00:19:58,823 --> 00:20:00,993
We were getting ready for a photoshoot
313
00:20:01,034 --> 00:20:02,624
all the time.
314
00:20:04,120 --> 00:20:07,370
And that's what Todd and I shared.
315
00:20:07,415 --> 00:20:11,455
Todd and I had a shared history of weirdness.
316
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,520
Yes?
317
00:20:31,564 --> 00:20:33,564
Who is it?
318
00:20:33,608 --> 00:20:35,358
- Come in.
- Hi! I just wanted to say hi.
319
00:20:35,401 --> 00:20:37,691
She brought her chicken in. Speaking of science fiction.
320
00:20:37,737 --> 00:20:40,027
- Hello.
- We've never met.
321
00:20:40,073 --> 00:20:41,663
And this is Nugget.
322
00:20:41,699 --> 00:20:44,239
He travels everywhere with her.
323
00:20:44,285 --> 00:20:47,615
He goes everywhere with me 'cause he's my emotional wellness chicken.
324
00:20:47,664 --> 00:20:49,124
And he's just--
325
00:20:49,165 --> 00:20:50,615
We're gonna get him a service tag
326
00:20:50,667 --> 00:20:51,957
so he can be a service chicken.
327
00:20:52,001 --> 00:20:53,921
I have to drive everywhere currently...
328
00:20:53,962 --> 00:20:56,422
- With a harness.
- ...because they won't let chickens fly.
329
00:20:56,464 --> 00:20:58,384
What? Yeah.
330
00:20:58,424 --> 00:20:59,974
- He's my boy.
- That's right.
331
00:21:00,009 --> 00:21:01,179
Sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you.
332
00:21:01,219 --> 00:21:03,299
No, I was just telling the poster story.
333
00:21:03,346 --> 00:21:04,926
In fact, I was telling her the only reason why we bought this house
334
00:21:04,973 --> 00:21:06,723
was so I could hang my posters somewhere.
335
00:21:08,393 --> 00:21:11,233
So, I decided I would tell a story on this wall.
336
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:14,400
My mother made this movie called "Singin' in the Rain," down there,
337
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,150
and that's an original "Singin' in the Rain" poster.
338
00:21:16,192 --> 00:21:18,152
Then she went on to do "Tammy and the Bachelor,"
339
00:21:18,194 --> 00:21:20,284
where she sings the song "Tammy."
340
00:21:20,321 --> 00:21:24,201
Then she makes a movie with Frank Sinatra called "The Tender Trap."
341
00:21:24,242 --> 00:21:26,412
And in this-- while she's making this movie,
342
00:21:26,452 --> 00:21:29,332
Frank Sinatra says, "Now, Debbie, whatever you do,
343
00:21:29,372 --> 00:21:32,252
do not marry a singer, whatever you do."
344
00:21:32,291 --> 00:21:37,041
So, she goes right out and marries the singer, my dad, Eddie Fisher.
345
00:21:37,088 --> 00:21:39,378
Then my dad ran off with Elizabeth Taylor
346
00:21:39,424 --> 00:21:42,804
and became a producer on "Cleopatra."
347
00:21:42,844 --> 00:21:45,474
Then my dad goes on and marries Liz,
348
00:21:45,513 --> 00:21:47,853
and of course they make the movie "BUtterfield 8."
349
00:21:47,890 --> 00:21:50,180
So, that's the story of my life
350
00:21:50,226 --> 00:21:52,766
in a certain amount of posters.
351
00:21:52,812 --> 00:21:54,232
Do you know what's funny, is Debbie,
352
00:21:54,272 --> 00:21:56,312
when she first came in here, she went,
353
00:21:56,357 --> 00:21:58,977
- "How can you allow this?"
- Right, too many Debbie posters.
354
00:21:59,027 --> 00:22:01,647
"To many Debbie posters. Where's your stuff?" She's just so awesome.
355
00:22:01,696 --> 00:22:03,316
And I was like, where else am I gonna put your stuff?
356
00:22:03,364 --> 00:22:04,914
Or what else are we gonna do with it?
357
00:22:04,949 --> 00:22:06,619
Sooner or later, it's got to get up on the wall.
358
00:22:06,659 --> 00:22:09,909
Now, when I was younger, "2001: A Space Odyssey" came out
359
00:22:09,954 --> 00:22:12,914
and I was very influenced by how amazing that movie was.
360
00:22:12,957 --> 00:22:14,997
And then, all of a sudden, you know,
361
00:22:15,043 --> 00:22:16,543
Carrie does this little picture called "Star Wars"
362
00:22:16,586 --> 00:22:18,706
she thought was gonna be a B-movie.
363
00:22:18,755 --> 00:22:21,375
I went to the screening with her over at Fox,
364
00:22:21,424 --> 00:22:23,424
and she was hiding in the back with me
365
00:22:23,468 --> 00:22:26,088
'cause she thought it was gonna be a cheesy film.
366
00:22:48,576 --> 00:22:51,076
We are at a lap dance.
367
00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:53,040
Come on, do it a little more.
368
00:22:53,081 --> 00:22:55,161
In the front, the whole thing.
369
00:22:55,208 --> 00:22:57,668
A celebrity lap dance,
370
00:22:57,710 --> 00:23:00,840
which is where celebrities of all shapes and ages
371
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,920
sign autographs for cash prizes.
372
00:23:04,967 --> 00:23:07,757
It's sort of like going to a strip club,
373
00:23:07,804 --> 00:23:12,814
except they don't stuff cash in your underwear.
374
00:23:12,850 --> 00:23:15,640
But that's kind of it.
375
00:23:15,686 --> 00:23:18,016
It's Carrie Fisher, everybody!
376
00:23:18,064 --> 00:23:19,984
Carrie! Carrie!
377
00:23:23,194 --> 00:23:25,444
Hi there. How are you doing?
378
00:23:25,488 --> 00:23:27,448
- Good to meet you.
- That is great.
379
00:23:27,490 --> 00:23:29,870
We'll get a photo later.
380
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:32,029
- It's a pleasure to... "meat" you.
- Meet me.
381
00:23:32,078 --> 00:23:34,498
- All right, thank you!
- Thank you so much.
382
00:23:34,539 --> 00:23:38,039
Well, she's always been my favorite on "Star Wars" since I was a little kid.
383
00:23:38,084 --> 00:23:41,044
I had a crush on her since I was, like, eight years old.
384
00:23:41,087 --> 00:23:43,087
So, I'd just like to see her, you know?
385
00:23:43,131 --> 00:23:45,461
That's awesome!
386
00:23:45,508 --> 00:23:48,428
That doesn't really look like me in a way.
387
00:23:48,469 --> 00:23:50,219
- Show me where.
- Right up here.
388
00:23:50,263 --> 00:23:51,473
There? How we go...
389
00:23:51,514 --> 00:23:52,604
- Where do you want it?
- Right here.
390
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,060
- Nice and big.
- Yes, sir.
391
00:23:59,438 --> 00:24:02,268
There you go. Thank you.
392
00:24:02,316 --> 00:24:04,726
- I really like your overall look.
- Thank you.
393
00:24:04,777 --> 00:24:06,607
That goes without saying.
394
00:24:06,654 --> 00:24:09,074
Thank you. I like your outfit on you.
395
00:24:09,115 --> 00:24:10,735
- Thank you.
- No bra, though.
396
00:24:10,783 --> 00:24:13,083
I'll remember that next time.
397
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,699
- Hey there.
- Hello.
398
00:24:15,746 --> 00:24:17,156
So, this is one of these things
399
00:24:17,206 --> 00:24:20,116
that we go to at least once a month.
400
00:24:20,168 --> 00:24:22,958
They're kind of a mini Comic-Con.
401
00:24:23,004 --> 00:24:26,424
Carrie resisted these lap dances for years,
402
00:24:26,465 --> 00:24:29,795
but it's amazing!
403
00:24:29,844 --> 00:24:33,684
You see these thousands of people that are behind me here?
404
00:24:33,723 --> 00:24:36,853
Okay, so, they line up at 9:00 in the morning,
405
00:24:36,893 --> 00:24:39,193
they'll stay here until 9:00 at night
406
00:24:39,228 --> 00:24:42,648
just to have two seconds with Carrie.
407
00:24:42,690 --> 00:24:44,900
Yeah, actually, Liz and Matt, please.
408
00:24:44,942 --> 00:24:46,532
- Liz and Matt.
- Yes.
409
00:24:46,569 --> 00:24:48,569
- Pleasure to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.
410
00:24:48,613 --> 00:24:51,323
- Don't cry. Don't cry.
- Stop it, stop it.
411
00:24:53,910 --> 00:24:55,950
- It was--
- It probably won't sink in for a while.
412
00:24:55,995 --> 00:24:57,695
She's, like, my idol.
413
00:24:57,747 --> 00:24:59,207
- Is she?
- Yeah.
414
00:24:59,248 --> 00:25:01,038
How come?
415
00:25:01,083 --> 00:25:04,503
She just epitomizes a strong woman
416
00:25:04,545 --> 00:25:07,455
who speaks her mind,
417
00:25:07,506 --> 00:25:09,876
doesn't care what anybody else thinks.
418
00:25:09,926 --> 00:25:11,926
And I wish I was more like that.
419
00:25:30,780 --> 00:25:31,990
All right, here we go!
420
00:25:32,031 --> 00:25:34,161
Let's go!
421
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,990
There you go.
422
00:25:42,250 --> 00:25:44,000
Here we go!
423
00:26:00,518 --> 00:26:02,518
They love...
424
00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:04,191
They love you.
425
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:08,570
Yes. They love her, and I'm her custodian,
426
00:26:08,609 --> 00:26:10,279
and I'm as close as you're gonna get.
427
00:26:11,404 --> 00:26:13,654
She's me and I'm her.
428
00:26:13,698 --> 00:26:16,368
I mean, they talk to me like I'm Princess Leia
429
00:26:16,409 --> 00:26:19,289
who happens to have had all these, you know,
430
00:26:19,328 --> 00:26:20,998
difficult experiences to go through,
431
00:26:21,038 --> 00:26:23,958
and that's like me fighting for the Force.
432
00:26:26,252 --> 00:26:28,422
It's nice. They're nice.
433
00:26:30,047 --> 00:26:32,047
Oh, something's unplugged. I can see it.
434
00:26:32,091 --> 00:26:35,551
I thought this case was top priority.
435
00:26:39,598 --> 00:26:41,638
I was on three episodes of this show
436
00:26:41,684 --> 00:26:44,694
where I played a very pivotal character for the lead character,
437
00:26:44,729 --> 00:26:48,519
and so I've been to a lot of "Knight Rider" conventions.
438
00:26:48,566 --> 00:26:52,026
And when I went there, I realized how much I loved this car,
439
00:26:52,069 --> 00:26:54,489
and I said, "I got to have it."
440
00:26:54,530 --> 00:26:56,860
I think it's important that you, you know,
441
00:26:56,907 --> 00:26:58,697
marry inside the entertainment race.
442
00:27:00,411 --> 00:27:02,291
And, you know, that's an important thing
443
00:27:02,330 --> 00:27:04,830
because people don't get it.
444
00:27:04,874 --> 00:27:07,124
I think you could-- my family, in particular,
445
00:27:07,168 --> 00:27:08,918
could overwhelm most people.
446
00:27:10,963 --> 00:27:13,263
It wasn't just my mother that was super famous.
447
00:27:13,299 --> 00:27:16,299
People forget my dad was a world-class singer.
448
00:27:18,471 --> 00:27:20,431
He had more consecutive hits than the Beatles
449
00:27:20,473 --> 00:27:22,263
and Elvis Presley combined.
450
00:27:22,308 --> 00:27:25,768
At one time, he had 65,000 separate fan clubs.
451
00:27:37,615 --> 00:27:39,485
He had an exclusive contract with Coca Cola.
452
00:27:39,533 --> 00:27:41,333
He was the "Coke Kid."
453
00:27:41,369 --> 00:27:43,039
...T.V.'s even more fun
454
00:27:43,079 --> 00:27:45,199
with a bottle of Coke in hand.
455
00:27:45,247 --> 00:27:48,537
They gave him a percentage of the Pasadena bottling company proceeds.
456
00:27:48,584 --> 00:27:50,334
I mean, he had it made for life.
457
00:27:50,378 --> 00:27:52,538
All he had to do was behave a little bit.
458
00:28:00,429 --> 00:28:03,639
My dad and mom, they were cute as hell together,
459
00:28:03,682 --> 00:28:05,772
and they had the cutest little kids together,
460
00:28:05,810 --> 00:28:08,850
and they were the couple of America.
461
00:28:08,896 --> 00:28:11,106
Obviously, the studio loved that setup.
462
00:28:11,148 --> 00:28:12,688
You know, you put the two of them together,
463
00:28:12,733 --> 00:28:14,533
it's one heck of a marketing tool.
464
00:28:16,695 --> 00:28:19,565
I think my mother really was in love with my father
465
00:28:19,615 --> 00:28:22,315
in a naive, young person way.
466
00:28:22,368 --> 00:28:23,778
First love.
467
00:28:23,828 --> 00:28:26,578
And I think that was the last time
468
00:28:26,622 --> 00:28:28,542
that she ever really experienced that.
469
00:28:34,004 --> 00:28:35,674
- There.
- She's here?
470
00:28:35,714 --> 00:28:38,014
Yeah, outside there.
471
00:28:39,009 --> 00:28:40,509
Hey, Dwight!
472
00:28:42,346 --> 00:28:44,346
Mama! Let's go that way, though.
473
00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:46,180
You look beautiful.
474
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,690
You're wearing the same shoes as I am.
475
00:28:49,728 --> 00:28:52,098
- No, you gave me these.
- I know.
476
00:28:52,148 --> 00:28:53,858
- You don't remember?
- No, I do.
477
00:28:53,899 --> 00:28:55,769
I leave messages.
478
00:28:55,818 --> 00:28:57,568
I know, that's the greatest thing.
479
00:28:57,611 --> 00:29:00,571
- I leave messages on here.
- I wish there was one.
480
00:29:00,614 --> 00:29:02,494
- "I'm here."
- "Go away."
481
00:29:02,533 --> 00:29:04,243
"If you want to come in, come in through the front door."
482
00:29:04,285 --> 00:29:06,905
"It's not a rainy day.
483
00:29:06,954 --> 00:29:11,084
It's my day to be quiet and alone."
484
00:29:12,543 --> 00:29:14,633
Alone is good.
485
00:29:14,670 --> 00:29:17,590
I have to go to my meeting now,
486
00:29:17,631 --> 00:29:19,801
but I just wanted to say hello.
487
00:29:19,842 --> 00:29:21,182
I love you.
488
00:29:21,218 --> 00:29:23,548
I love-- oh, oh, oh, oh.
489
00:29:23,596 --> 00:29:25,886
- I love you.
- I don't know where you're going.
490
00:29:25,931 --> 00:29:27,011
I'm coming up.
491
00:29:30,644 --> 00:29:32,064
And look, our shoes are the same.
492
00:29:34,190 --> 00:29:35,730
- Sing the song.
- I don't want to go
493
00:29:46,577 --> 00:29:48,367
"I'll be around."
494
00:29:48,412 --> 00:29:51,792
I think I'm my mom's best friend
495
00:29:51,832 --> 00:29:53,712
more than a daughter.
496
00:29:53,751 --> 00:29:56,841
My mother really wants me to be an extension
497
00:29:56,879 --> 00:29:59,799
of her wishes, an extension of her.
498
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,170
And to a great degree,
499
00:30:02,218 --> 00:30:04,968
far more sometimes than I ever would want to,
500
00:30:05,012 --> 00:30:07,762
I know what my mother feels and wants.
501
00:30:09,808 --> 00:30:13,438
And there's a lot of it.
502
00:30:13,479 --> 00:30:16,229
I share everything with my daughter.
503
00:30:16,273 --> 00:30:17,903
That's right.
504
00:30:17,942 --> 00:30:20,442
Especially the check.
505
00:30:20,486 --> 00:30:22,946
- Especially the what?
- Check.
506
00:30:22,988 --> 00:30:24,818
She pays for everything.
507
00:30:24,865 --> 00:30:27,615
Oh, that's-- it's not true.
508
00:30:27,660 --> 00:30:30,080
She gets furious when I bring up...
509
00:30:32,331 --> 00:30:33,661
That's me.
510
00:30:45,970 --> 00:30:48,010
My mother's always liked the idea
511
00:30:48,055 --> 00:30:50,555
of living in the compound.
512
00:30:50,599 --> 00:30:52,099
It's actually turned out pretty good.
513
00:30:52,142 --> 00:30:53,812
She's been there a very long time,
514
00:30:53,852 --> 00:30:56,102
and they have obviously survived
515
00:30:56,146 --> 00:30:58,226
the decades of being there together.
516
00:30:58,274 --> 00:31:00,774
Remember my 17th birthday party
517
00:31:00,818 --> 00:31:02,818
when you lifted your skirt up in front of...
518
00:31:02,861 --> 00:31:05,451
- all those people...
- I did not lift my skirt.
519
00:31:05,489 --> 00:31:07,569
- ...including that guy Michael?
- It twirled up!
520
00:31:07,616 --> 00:31:09,776
And you weren't wearing any underwear.
521
00:31:09,827 --> 00:31:12,037
Well!
522
00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:14,369
Carrie wrote the movie "Postcards From the Edge"
523
00:31:14,415 --> 00:31:17,205
about her relationship with my mother,
524
00:31:17,251 --> 00:31:19,211
and in the movie, they end up having an argument
525
00:31:19,253 --> 00:31:20,883
through two characters--
526
00:31:20,921 --> 00:31:23,051
Shirley MacLaine and Meryl Streep.
527
00:31:23,090 --> 00:31:25,050
I'm going to kill myself.
528
00:31:25,092 --> 00:31:28,182
Don't say that even in jest, Suzanne.
529
00:31:28,220 --> 00:31:31,640
I was very unhappy back then.
530
00:31:31,682 --> 00:31:33,892
I was just a mess.
531
00:31:33,934 --> 00:31:39,694
And some of the things that are in the movie happened.
532
00:31:39,732 --> 00:31:41,902
- Any idea what she's taken?
- Pills, sir.
533
00:31:41,942 --> 00:31:44,652
- Demerol, Percodan, and cocaine.
- Give me her vitals.
534
00:31:44,695 --> 00:31:47,735
Todd:
Carrie at this point was famously into drugs.
535
00:31:47,781 --> 00:31:50,661
- Suzanne?!
- And my mother was not real happy about it.
536
00:31:51,994 --> 00:31:54,044
There was anger, true anger there.
537
00:31:54,079 --> 00:31:55,909
I never said you were a monster.
538
00:31:55,956 --> 00:31:58,076
You don't say it, but you feel it.
539
00:31:58,125 --> 00:32:02,035
Somehow you lay the entire blame for your drug taking on me.
540
00:32:02,087 --> 00:32:04,297
I do not! I do not, Mother.
541
00:32:04,340 --> 00:32:07,090
I took the drugs. Nobody made me.
542
00:32:17,561 --> 00:32:19,191
Carrie and I started getting high together
543
00:32:19,229 --> 00:32:22,059
when we were about-- I was 15.
544
00:32:22,107 --> 00:32:25,897
We used to smoke weed together and we had a lot of fun.
545
00:32:25,944 --> 00:32:29,404
And then, you know, she moved on to other things,
546
00:32:29,448 --> 00:32:31,278
and I didn't.
547
00:32:33,243 --> 00:32:35,913
When I would stop, she would keep going.
548
00:32:40,042 --> 00:32:42,792
I knew something was the matter with me.
549
00:32:42,836 --> 00:32:44,586
I went too fast.
550
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:46,510
I was too much.
551
00:32:46,548 --> 00:32:48,588
And I was embarrassed of it.
552
00:32:51,762 --> 00:32:54,602
The drugs I liked were painkillers.
553
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,600
They calmed me down.
554
00:32:57,851 --> 00:32:59,431
I just couldn't--
555
00:32:59,478 --> 00:33:01,138
I couldn't handle it.
556
00:33:01,188 --> 00:33:02,938
I didn't know what "it" was.
557
00:33:05,776 --> 00:33:08,856
Manic depressive is a disease.
558
00:33:08,904 --> 00:33:11,784
Now, that was not diagnosed then,
559
00:33:11,824 --> 00:33:14,324
so nobody kind of knew what was going on with Carrie.
560
00:33:14,368 --> 00:33:17,788
When she was 13, her personality changed.
561
00:33:19,373 --> 00:33:21,123
So it's a constant battle
562
00:33:21,166 --> 00:33:22,666
that takes all of us
563
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:26,000
to assure her that she's loved,
564
00:33:26,046 --> 00:33:27,586
and that won't get her.
565
00:33:31,385 --> 00:33:34,085
Hard. Yeah, it's hard.
566
00:33:34,138 --> 00:33:35,928
That's the hardest part.
567
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:42,560
It's Christmas here in China on the Wall,
568
00:33:42,604 --> 00:33:44,524
and we're headed toward the top.
569
00:33:44,565 --> 00:33:45,935
Come with us.
570
00:33:45,983 --> 00:33:49,153
Join us on a walk on the Wall.
571
00:34:01,165 --> 00:34:02,825
Come on, everybody!
572
00:34:15,012 --> 00:34:19,512
We look like we're tired! We're having a ball!
573
00:34:22,811 --> 00:34:25,731
I have two moods.
574
00:34:25,773 --> 00:34:28,573
Roy is Rollicking Roy,
575
00:34:28,609 --> 00:34:30,529
a wild ride of a mood!
576
00:34:30,569 --> 00:34:33,029
Wow, some of that methamphetamine released itself,
577
00:34:33,071 --> 00:34:35,491
and the brain slid and there was some trapped
578
00:34:35,532 --> 00:34:38,122
methamphetamine from my father.
579
00:34:45,959 --> 00:34:48,539
It's melting from the heat.
580
00:35:01,850 --> 00:35:04,180
Pam is Sediment Pam,
581
00:35:04,228 --> 00:35:07,938
who stands on the shore and sobs.
582
00:35:07,981 --> 00:35:10,611
One mood is the meal,
583
00:35:10,651 --> 00:35:12,901
the next mood, the check.
584
00:35:15,906 --> 00:35:19,406
Where am I in all this? I have no idea.
585
00:35:19,451 --> 00:35:22,041
Because I feel like it's a little mood relay, you know?
586
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:24,749
I'm Pam now.
587
00:35:27,334 --> 00:35:31,964
See, if Roy got this cold...
588
00:35:32,005 --> 00:35:33,755
he wouldn't let him stop it.
589
00:35:35,676 --> 00:35:39,756
'Cause Roy is bigger than all of it.
590
00:35:39,805 --> 00:35:41,385
But I just fit snugly
591
00:35:41,431 --> 00:35:44,601
into the mood pocket that is Pam.
592
00:35:44,643 --> 00:35:46,983
I don't have any choice.
593
00:35:47,020 --> 00:35:49,100
I don't dictate the ride.
594
00:36:10,836 --> 00:36:13,586
Look, the blue one, I think, is probably better,
595
00:36:13,630 --> 00:36:15,760
but this is crazier.
596
00:36:15,799 --> 00:36:17,509
It's important to know.
597
00:36:17,551 --> 00:36:19,511
That is very nice sweater.
598
00:36:19,553 --> 00:36:22,263
Those are good folk art colors.
599
00:36:22,306 --> 00:36:23,506
That's what you are-- folk art.
600
00:36:23,557 --> 00:36:26,557
Okay, see? That's not bad.
601
00:36:26,602 --> 00:36:29,942
And a person wearing this would then have a room...
602
00:36:29,980 --> 00:36:32,440
like this!
603
00:36:34,026 --> 00:36:35,566
We met--
604
00:36:35,611 --> 00:36:40,071
Debbie and Eddie bought a house
605
00:36:40,115 --> 00:36:41,615
two doors down from where I lived.
606
00:36:41,658 --> 00:36:45,288
I was 11 when they first moved in, I think.
607
00:36:45,329 --> 00:36:47,499
She was pregnant with Todd.
608
00:36:47,539 --> 00:36:48,909
- Debbie worked a lot...
- Yeah.
609
00:36:48,957 --> 00:36:50,957
...so she wasn't there, so, you know,
610
00:36:51,001 --> 00:36:52,541
it's like you take what you can get, really.
611
00:36:52,586 --> 00:36:54,996
And if you can't have Debbie Reynolds...
612
00:36:55,047 --> 00:36:57,207
No, we wanted her.
613
00:36:59,509 --> 00:37:02,339
Here's the deal-- Carrie at two
614
00:37:02,387 --> 00:37:05,637
was more interesting than anyone I've ever known.
615
00:37:05,682 --> 00:37:10,482
Todd was a very happy child, very easygoing.
616
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,230
But we weren't made with each other in mind.
617
00:37:14,274 --> 00:37:15,904
No, you were very different.
618
00:37:15,943 --> 00:37:18,283
I was jealous of that.
619
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,950
It was simpler for him for some reason.
620
00:37:20,989 --> 00:37:22,699
Yeah.
621
00:37:22,741 --> 00:37:23,951
Also, he didn't--
622
00:37:23,992 --> 00:37:25,582
you suffered from the divorce.
623
00:37:25,619 --> 00:37:27,949
You had an attachment to your dad,
624
00:37:27,996 --> 00:37:30,956
but he wasn't around much.
625
00:37:30,999 --> 00:37:33,669
And then Elizabeth Taylor--
626
00:37:33,710 --> 00:37:37,460
Oh, God.
627
00:37:37,506 --> 00:37:40,716
In a scandal that's gripping Hollywood and the nation,
628
00:37:40,759 --> 00:37:44,179
Eddie Fisher leaves America's sweetheart, Debbie Reynolds,
629
00:37:44,221 --> 00:37:48,431
for her friend and neighbor, Elizabeth Taylor.
630
00:37:48,475 --> 00:37:51,175
Something I had never seen was all the paparazzi.
631
00:37:55,857 --> 00:37:57,977
Liz, over here!
632
00:37:58,026 --> 00:37:59,606
It was very dramatic.
633
00:37:59,653 --> 00:38:02,243
I want to get out. Now.
634
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,990
And your mom was quite dignified and quiet.
635
00:38:09,371 --> 00:38:12,121
I haven't even been informed. I just got off the airplane.
636
00:38:12,165 --> 00:38:14,705
I will not contest it, no.
637
00:38:18,046 --> 00:38:20,166
All of a sudden, there were photographers
638
00:38:20,215 --> 00:38:22,295
on your front yard or on the sidewalk.
639
00:38:24,302 --> 00:38:25,972
Don't remember it.
640
00:38:26,013 --> 00:38:27,353
Coming out of the driveway,
641
00:38:27,389 --> 00:38:29,309
they took your picture in the car.
642
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:32,309
I don't remember it. I don't remember it.
643
00:38:32,352 --> 00:38:34,142
- I don't want to remember it.
- Yeah.
644
00:38:34,187 --> 00:38:35,347
No, I do remember it.
645
00:38:35,397 --> 00:38:36,977
I'm sure that was very stressful.
646
00:38:37,024 --> 00:38:39,024
I know I didn't like that.
647
00:38:39,067 --> 00:38:44,277
They were trampling me and Todd to get to her,
648
00:38:44,322 --> 00:38:47,992
so the sensation was that she belonged to them.
649
00:38:48,035 --> 00:38:52,195
My mom did say about her-- she said, "That's a sad child,"
650
00:38:52,247 --> 00:38:54,827
and that's after, I think, the divorce.
651
00:38:54,875 --> 00:38:56,995
She had this sadness,
652
00:38:57,044 --> 00:38:59,674
and then Harry Karl was in the picture.
653
00:38:59,713 --> 00:39:01,803
We were supposed to call him "Daddy Harry."
654
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,010
Yeah, that was gonna happen.
655
00:39:05,635 --> 00:39:08,675
He was just a mass of noises and monograms.
656
00:39:10,182 --> 00:39:11,892
You have to remember this.
657
00:39:11,933 --> 00:39:15,563
There was an intercom, and he would start calling,
658
00:39:15,604 --> 00:39:18,814
"Carri-i-e.
659
00:39:18,857 --> 00:39:21,897
To-o-dd.
660
00:39:21,943 --> 00:39:23,743
Hone-e-y."
661
00:39:23,779 --> 00:39:26,699
"Honey" was Debbie's name.
662
00:39:26,740 --> 00:39:30,330
You know, he owned shoe stores, so that didn't interest us.
663
00:39:30,368 --> 00:39:31,948
Nothing about him was interesting
664
00:39:31,995 --> 00:39:34,655
until we found out about the hookers.
665
00:39:34,706 --> 00:39:36,536
Oh, God.
666
00:39:36,583 --> 00:39:37,923
And here he comes now,
667
00:39:37,959 --> 00:39:39,539
industrialist and philanthropist,
668
00:39:39,586 --> 00:39:41,746
a celebrity in his own right, Harry Karl.
669
00:39:41,797 --> 00:39:45,047
- And look who's with him-- Carrie and Todd.
670
00:39:45,092 --> 00:39:47,932
Harry Karl walked into the perfect, ready-made family,
671
00:39:47,969 --> 00:39:50,099
and he seems like a great setup.
672
00:39:50,138 --> 00:39:52,968
- There's Mommy.
- There's Mommy, yeah.
673
00:39:53,016 --> 00:39:55,556
Loving, caring, loved Carrie and I,
674
00:39:55,602 --> 00:39:59,192
but we don't know at the time that he has serious problems.
675
00:39:59,231 --> 00:40:02,191
We don't know that he is a compulsive gambler.
676
00:40:02,234 --> 00:40:04,574
We don't know that he's a compulsive drinker.
677
00:40:04,611 --> 00:40:06,781
It was a disaster in the making,
678
00:40:06,822 --> 00:40:09,032
and it was really a disaster when my mom came home one day
679
00:40:09,074 --> 00:40:11,034
and saw the foreclosure notice on the front door
680
00:40:11,076 --> 00:40:13,406
of one of the biggest houses
in Beverly Hills.
681
00:40:15,747 --> 00:40:20,037
At the end of the rainbow
682
00:40:28,677 --> 00:40:34,257
We were both about to enter a new era of reality.
683
00:40:34,307 --> 00:40:37,177
Little did we know what's really going on at that exact moment
684
00:40:37,227 --> 00:40:39,687
is Harry Karl is gambling away all of our money
685
00:40:39,729 --> 00:40:43,019
and Harry and Debbie were divorcing.
686
00:40:43,066 --> 00:40:45,106
That was the tail end of Carrie and I,
687
00:40:45,152 --> 00:40:46,782
our innocence as children.
688
00:40:54,578 --> 00:40:56,738
- Okay, let's go.
- All right, let's go.
689
00:40:56,788 --> 00:40:58,368
We're going to see Debbie.
690
00:41:09,551 --> 00:41:11,471
Ma?
691
00:41:11,511 --> 00:41:14,931
Aw, I'm so happy to see you.
692
00:41:14,973 --> 00:41:16,563
How are you?
693
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,680
I'm good. How are you feeling?
694
00:41:18,727 --> 00:41:21,637