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In the criminal justice system,
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the people are represented
by two separate,
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yet equally important groups:
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the police, who investigate crime,
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and the district attorneys,
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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Thanks, Professor.
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I'll let my team know the good news
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and we'll have a business plan
ready for you by next week.
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Talk soon.
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DOA's a Hudson grad
student named Emily Wade.
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- 27, two in the chest.
- Witnesses?
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Just the classmate who found her.
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Didn't see anything, but
she was pretty shaken up.
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Said she was the most intelligent
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and driven woman she'd ever met.
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Where is this classmate now?
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EMTs are treating her for shock.
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Evidence of a break-in?
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No, looks like it all went down outside.
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- Cameras?
- Afraid not.
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Off-campus housing.
Security's pretty lax.
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All right, let's see
what footage we can find
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from businesses and traffic cams, huh?
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I'd ballpark time of death as 9:30.
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Any indication of assault?
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No. But some blood splatter.
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Means the shooter was point blank.
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I'll check inside.
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Probably got hit with some droplets.
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Yup.
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"Thinking of you."
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Doesn't say who it's
from or where it's from.
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Can you bag that? Thanks.
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You already check this?
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Cell phone still here.
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Wallet, credit cards, money.
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Doesn't look like
anyone tossed the place.
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There's jewelry still
along the nightstand.
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So it's not a robbery, not an assault.
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Double tap to the chest.
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Starting to feel like an execution.
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- The question is why.
- Sad.
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Seems like she was going places too.
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Too bad she'll never get there now.
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I was dropping off a statistics outline
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Em had loaned me. Saw
this van speeding off.
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What'd the van look like?
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Uh, blue. Green stripe down the side.
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You get a look at the
plates or the driver?
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Sorry. No.
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How well did you know the victim?
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We were study partners.
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Can you think of anybody
she had a problem with?
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Yeah.
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We'd get drinks at this place
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in Dumbo on Wednesdays called Ewing's.
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She didn't want to go last week.
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Said she was fighting
with one of the bartenders.
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You know what the issue was about?
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No.
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But he apparently followed her
to the library the other day.
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Sorry, guys, not open till five.
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Nathan Brae.
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Who's asking?
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We're New York City detectives.
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We need a word.
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Give me your hands. Give me your hands.
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I didn't do anything wrong.
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I only ran because I had coke on me.
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I didn't want to get in trouble.
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Good instincts, so
unless you start talking,
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we're gonna charge you with possession.
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What's your beef with Emily Wade?
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I was dating her friend, Alli.
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It was going good, too,
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until she dumped me out
of the blue last week.
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Turns out Emily's been
dissing me all over the place.
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- I was pissed.
- Is that why you followed her to the library?
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Yeah. I told her to stay
the hell out of my life
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and then some muscle-head
gets in between us
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and tells me to back off, so I did.
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And you didn't go back to
her place later that evening,
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- try to finish the conversation?
- No.
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There's no point, you know?
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- So where were you?
- What do you mean?
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- Why do you care?
- Because Emily Wade is dead.
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Nathan Brae's alibi checks
out. Nothing on canvass either.
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Any next of kin we can talk to?
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Nobody even to notify.
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Her parents died when she was five.
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She was raised in foster care.
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So what about this mysterious blue van?
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Snake eyes.
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Got something here, Lieutenant.
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This is last Wednesday afternoon
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outside Drummond Library.
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There's our boy,
giving her the what for.
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The argument doesn't get very far.
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Huh, looks like our Good
Samaritan's no random bystander.
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Any chance we can get an ID?
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I already sent the image to FIS.
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This is what they just sent back.
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Bobby Gorman, 28, ex-Marine.
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Any recent contact with Emily?
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Lot of romantic back and forth.
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Whoa.
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Punctuated by a nasty DM
he sent early yesterday
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accusing her of cheating on him.
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"I'm so angry, I could kill you."
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We got an address on this charmer?
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- Sheepshead Bay.
- All right, guys.
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Dust off your E-ZPass.
You're going to Brooklyn.
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I found out about Emily on Citizen.
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I can't believe she's gone.
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Were you two together?
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For a few months.
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- How was it going?
- Ups and downs.
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But I saw a future there.
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Let's talk about those downs then, huh?
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Like you threatening to kill her.
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What? You think I did this?
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We think you need to explain why
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you were sending her threatening texts.
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I felt terrible about that.
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- I was just venting.
- About what?
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All she did was study.
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Barely had any time for me.
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So I showed up at her place on Thursday
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to surprise her with Knicks tickets,
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but she was on her way
out, all dressed up.
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She claimed she had a
family issue to deal with.
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You go by her place last
night for any reason?
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No.
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Look, I didn't kill her.
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I loved her.
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Key card to Gorman's
loft confirms his alibi.
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So where are we with
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the unspecified family
issues that he alluded to?
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Still looking for the family.
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All right, so let's work back
from the time of the murder.
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What was Emily doing
that day? Where was she?
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- Who was she with?
- Already on it.
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I pulled Emily's financials.
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Found an Uber charge the day
of the murder at 4:14 p.m.
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- Hmm.
- Where'd she go?
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Yes, I met with the poor soul
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- day before yesterday.
- About what?
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Her foster brother,
Lonnie, is a member here.
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She was worried about him.
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What was she worried
about, Pastor Butler?
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Uh, it's Pastor Mike, and
no offense, Detectives,
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but I take my parishioners'
privacy very seriously.
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We understand, but Emily
was murdered shortly after
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she left here, so you have to understand
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that we need to know why she
was so concerned about him.
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Yes.
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He'd been asking her for money.
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She was worried about the
direction his life was taking.
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What direction are we talking about?
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She asked that I motivate
him to find a job.
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I told her I would do
my best and she left.
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Excuse me for a second.
Reverend Sherman.
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Liturgy looks perfect, Henry. Thank you.
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Lord's work is never done.
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Speaking of the Lord's work...
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it's been a minute
since I was an altar boy,
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but why would Emily think career advice
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is something that's in your portfolio?
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The success of our flock glorifies God,
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so part of our work is to
guide them to milk and honey.
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As Jesus said, "I came
that they may have life
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and have it abundantly."
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And that's your thing? Abundance?
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Yes. My congregation is very generous.
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- Thank you for your time.
- Thank you.
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We'll let you know if
there's any follow-up.
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- Jesus, Mary, and Joseph.
- Tell me how you really feel.
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Don't tell me you didn't
see that fancy, schmancy suit
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and $10,000 watch.
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He's bleeding that congregation dry.
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It's a little more
complicated than that.
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A guy like that... he
takes, but he also gives.
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How so?
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Some of these folks are
having trouble finding a job,
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paying rent, even harder
time staying positive.
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No different from any church I know.
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Yeah, but Pastor Mike
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fills a void for people
who feel hopeless.
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He's modeling success
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so that his congregation
has something to aspire to.
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- Not my idea of religion.
- Not mine either.
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But religion is whatever
works for you, right?
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So some people think
it's the body of Christ
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being represented by a wafer.
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Some people think it's
ponying up so the pastor
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- can wear a Rolex.
- I am not buying it.
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He's not selling it to you.
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Prosperity means something different
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when you grow up poor and Black, Frank.
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Fair enough.
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Let's check with Emily's foster brother.
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See what he knows.
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Emily and I spent five years
in this group home in Canarsie.
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The only thing we got out
of that place was each other.
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She was my big sis.
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- Sorry for your loss, Lonnie.
- Yeah.
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We're trying to piece together
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Emily's movements two days ago.
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When was the last time you saw her?
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I went by her place about lunch.
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Now, would you say that was a
social call or something else?
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I needed her to float me rent.
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Oh, you were having money problems?
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I got laid off a month ago.
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Savings are a little light.
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I mean, I couldn't imagine
how that conversation might go
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between me and my sister if I
was asking her to pay my rent.
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You guys didn't fight or argue, did you?
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No, she was happy to do it.
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She even had the money
wired to my landlord.
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How much money we talking about?
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Two grand.
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Yeah, well, the brother's
story checks out.
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Then let's follow the money trail.
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Communication just finished
the work up on her device.
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GPS puts her at the
corner of 11th and Avenue C
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right after eight on
the night of the murder.
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The address is a match for a pawn shop
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called Sid's Jewelry and Loans.
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There ought to be security
cams on that street, right?
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Searching now.
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Pawn shop's got them on front and back.
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This is at 8:20.
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That looks like Emily.
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Hey, can you get in tighter on that guy?
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Yes, but you never see his face.
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All right, well, fast
forward on the tape.
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- This is 8:32.
- She hawks something,
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and then an hour later, she's dead.
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GPS confirms her next stop was home.
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Freeze that.
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Yeah, blue van, green pinstripe.
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Got a shot of the driver too.
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Can't make out details, but
it looks like a Black male
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wearing the same New York logo
hat as the guy on the street.
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Could fit the bill of the
van leaving the murder scene.
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Can you pull up the registration?
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Plate comes back to Ruben Grandy,
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Astoria.
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He's got priors for armed robbery.
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All right, bring him in.
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Police! Show me your hands.
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- Show me your hands.
- Don't move!
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00:12:23,052 --> 00:12:24,706
Take it easy, fellas.
257
00:12:24,749 --> 00:12:27,230
- Who else is here?
- Nobody, I swear to God.
258
00:12:27,274 --> 00:12:28,753
- All rooms clear.
- Clear.
259
00:12:28,797 --> 00:12:31,060
- Let's go.
- All right, keep your hands up
260
00:12:31,104 --> 00:12:32,975
and stand up for me. Let's go.
261
00:12:33,018 --> 00:12:34,150
All right, but I'ma need my crutches.
262
00:12:34,194 --> 00:12:35,978
I got a broken leg.
263
00:12:43,558 --> 00:12:46,735
I told you, I was playing
poker here with some friends.
264
00:12:46,778 --> 00:12:49,564
- Where's your van?
- Gave it away a few weeks ago.
265
00:12:49,607 --> 00:12:52,001
- To who?
- My church. First Harmony.
266
00:12:52,044 --> 00:12:54,264
Cast won't come off till
summer, so I can't drive.
267
00:12:54,308 --> 00:12:56,223
I was happy to send it their way too.
268
00:12:56,266 --> 00:12:58,834
- And why's that?
- Guy that runs the church,
269
00:12:58,877 --> 00:13:02,272
Pastor Mike, he's a good man.
270
00:13:02,316 --> 00:13:04,753
Found me a job when I
got out of Sing Sing.
271
00:13:04,796 --> 00:13:07,277
So Pastor Mike is the
one driving the van now.
272
00:13:07,321 --> 00:13:09,975
No, he gave it to the vice pastor,
273
00:13:10,019 --> 00:13:12,282
Reverend Sherman.
274
00:13:12,326 --> 00:13:15,198
Yes, I was driving Ruben's van.
275
00:13:15,242 --> 00:13:17,026
My car is in the shop.
276
00:13:17,069 --> 00:13:18,549
Where'd you go after
you left the church?
277
00:13:18,593 --> 00:13:20,247
Home.
278
00:13:20,290 --> 00:13:22,858
You have any interaction with
Emily Wade couple nights ago?
279
00:13:22,901 --> 00:13:25,121
- Who?
- Emily Wade.
280
00:13:25,164 --> 00:13:27,341
Her brother's Lonnie
Ballard. He's a congregant.
281
00:13:27,384 --> 00:13:30,126
Mm.
282
00:13:30,169 --> 00:13:31,475
Before I say anything else,
283
00:13:31,519 --> 00:13:33,216
I need to know why you're asking that.
284
00:13:33,260 --> 00:13:34,870
That van was used in the commission
285
00:13:34,913 --> 00:13:37,264
of the murder of Emily Wade.
286
00:13:37,307 --> 00:13:38,700
You accusing me of something?
287
00:13:38,743 --> 00:13:40,615
You stop by a pawn shop
that night around 8:30,
288
00:13:40,658 --> 00:13:44,358
- maybe one on 11th and Avenue C?
- No.
289
00:13:44,401 --> 00:13:46,098
So you're saying you went straight home
290
00:13:46,142 --> 00:13:47,448
from First Harmony and you never left.
291
00:13:47,491 --> 00:13:50,320
- Is that right, Henry?
- It's Reverend Sherman.
292
00:13:50,364 --> 00:13:52,409
You'd do well to remember
who you're talking to.
293
00:13:56,283 --> 00:13:59,155
We know exactly who we're talking to.
294
00:13:59,198 --> 00:14:01,157
An ex-con with a rap
sheet as long as my arm
295
00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,333
and a seven-year stint in Fishkill.
296
00:14:03,377 --> 00:14:05,379
And now, all of a sudden,
you're a man of the cloth?
297
00:14:05,422 --> 00:14:07,468
- Meaning what?
- Meaning you're no bishop,
298
00:14:07,511 --> 00:14:09,731
so you need to account for
your whereabouts two nights ago.
299
00:14:09,774 --> 00:14:13,038
The only one I need
to account to is God.
300
00:14:13,082 --> 00:14:15,084
And I won't stand
here and be insulted...
301
00:14:15,127 --> 00:14:17,703
- Hey.
- For devoting my life to the almighty.
302
00:14:17,704 --> 00:14:19,273
- Calm down.
- You can see yourselves out.
303
00:14:19,274 --> 00:14:21,569
You're on parole.
You're not going anywhere.
304
00:14:21,612 --> 00:14:23,745
- Hey, hey. Wait.
- Yo, take your hands off of me.
305
00:14:23,788 --> 00:14:25,747
Hey, Henry.
306
00:14:25,790 --> 00:14:27,792
We got a church too.
307
00:14:27,836 --> 00:14:30,142
And putting hands on my partner,
308
00:14:30,186 --> 00:14:32,231
that's a sin.
309
00:14:33,755 --> 00:14:36,105
- Let's try this again.
- I already told you.
310
00:14:36,148 --> 00:14:38,412
I was at the church until
six then I went home.
311
00:14:38,455 --> 00:14:40,370
How do you explain the
fact that you were seen
312
00:14:40,414 --> 00:14:42,416
in that van driving
away from the church?
313
00:14:42,459 --> 00:14:45,332
That same van was
spotted a few hours later
314
00:14:45,375 --> 00:14:47,159
fleeing the scene of Emily's shooting.
315
00:14:47,203 --> 00:14:48,509
Someone else had to be driving it.
316
00:14:48,552 --> 00:14:50,380
Somebody else is driving your van?
317
00:14:50,424 --> 00:14:53,122
Yeah, I left the keys on the
front tire when I parked it.
318
00:14:53,165 --> 00:14:54,645
And why would you do that?
319
00:14:54,689 --> 00:14:56,778
So parishioners in need of
transportation can use it.
320
00:14:56,821 --> 00:14:59,737
You got callers for
possession and burglary.
321
00:14:59,781 --> 00:15:02,958
Maybe you're using again.
Maybe you're hard up for cash
322
00:15:03,001 --> 00:15:04,655
and you saw Emily as an easy target.
323
00:15:04,699 --> 00:15:06,091
- You're wrong.
- I don't think I am.
324
00:15:06,135 --> 00:15:09,399
I'm searching your van.
325
00:15:09,443 --> 00:15:11,488
- You okay with all this?
- With what?
326
00:15:11,532 --> 00:15:12,794
End of the day,
327
00:15:12,837 --> 00:15:16,188
you got to decide whose
side you're really on.
328
00:15:16,232 --> 00:15:18,277
I've already decided, brother.
329
00:15:18,321 --> 00:15:20,976
I'm on God's side.
330
00:15:21,019 --> 00:15:23,500
Turns out, he doesn't like murder.
331
00:15:25,241 --> 00:15:28,287
There's a baseball cap
with a New York logo on it
332
00:15:28,331 --> 00:15:31,160
and there's blood on the armrest.
333
00:15:31,203 --> 00:15:33,118
Blood.
334
00:15:33,162 --> 00:15:35,164
- You want to explain that?
- I'm not talking.
335
00:15:35,207 --> 00:15:36,557
Well, maybe you'll talk to a jury.
336
00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,559
You're under arrest for
the murder of Emily Wade.
337
00:15:42,214 --> 00:15:44,739
Calling docket ending in 2129.
338
00:15:44,782 --> 00:15:46,349
People versus Henry Sherman
339
00:15:46,393 --> 00:15:48,830
charged with murder
in the second degree.
340
00:15:48,873 --> 00:15:50,397
How does the defendant plead?
341
00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,442
Not guilty, Your Honor.
342
00:15:52,486 --> 00:15:54,401
I'll hear the people on bail.
343
00:15:54,444 --> 00:15:55,706
We're seeking remand.
344
00:15:55,750 --> 00:15:58,143
The defendant stalked the victim,
345
00:15:58,187 --> 00:16:02,626
followed her home, then shot her
to death during a botched robbery.
346
00:16:02,670 --> 00:16:04,323
Evidence is substantial.
347
00:16:04,367 --> 00:16:06,369
We found the victim's blood in a van
348
00:16:06,413 --> 00:16:08,197
that the defendant had control over...
349
00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,243
the same van seen leaving
the victim's apartment
350
00:16:11,287 --> 00:16:13,550
- shortly after the murder.
- Mr. Gale.
351
00:16:13,594 --> 00:16:17,032
My client is a highly
respected member of the clergy.
352
00:16:17,075 --> 00:16:18,468
With a lengthy criminal record.
353
00:16:18,512 --> 00:16:21,950
Who's lived an exemplary
life since finding God.
354
00:16:21,993 --> 00:16:25,040
There's no eye witnesses, no gun,
355
00:16:25,083 --> 00:16:26,650
no evidence of motive.
356
00:16:26,694 --> 00:16:30,785
No one can put my client
behind the wheel of that van
357
00:16:30,828 --> 00:16:32,700
at the time of the murder.
358
00:16:32,743 --> 00:16:35,529
An argument you're free
to make at trial, Mr. Gale.
359
00:16:35,572 --> 00:16:37,705
Bail is set at $1 million.
360
00:16:41,186 --> 00:16:45,452
Case is solid, but our
motive is still weak.
361
00:16:45,495 --> 00:16:48,411
Why on Earth would this
man kill Emily Wade?
362
00:16:48,455 --> 00:16:50,848
Does it matter? If we
can prove he shot her,
363
00:16:50,892 --> 00:16:52,763
his motive's irrelevant.
364
00:16:52,807 --> 00:16:55,374
My mentor taught me that.
365
00:16:55,418 --> 00:16:57,507
Yes, but he also taught you
366
00:16:57,551 --> 00:17:00,423
juries hate cases that don't make sense.
367
00:17:00,466 --> 00:17:03,295
You're right. He did.
368
00:17:03,339 --> 00:17:06,429
So let's dig deeper.
369
00:17:06,473 --> 00:17:09,824
Find a credible reason why
Sherman wanted to kill Emily.
370
00:17:09,867 --> 00:17:13,480
Scour his texts, email,
phone records, financials.
371
00:17:17,135 --> 00:17:20,095
Mm-hmm.
372
00:17:20,137 --> 00:17:23,706
- A V12.
- Gentlemen.
373
00:17:23,751 --> 00:17:25,492
Pastor Mike.
374
00:17:25,535 --> 00:17:27,319
Nice ride. You got a minute?
375
00:17:27,363 --> 00:17:29,931
I'd love to chat, but I'm late.
376
00:17:29,974 --> 00:17:32,063
One of my oldest and dearest
congregants is quite ill.
377
00:17:32,107 --> 00:17:35,066
I'm heading over to the
hospital to pray with him.
378
00:17:35,110 --> 00:17:36,764
Help him find peace before he passes.
379
00:17:36,807 --> 00:17:38,940
Oh, that's fantastic,
so this won't take long.
380
00:17:38,983 --> 00:17:40,115
We just have a few questions.
381
00:17:40,158 --> 00:17:41,508
Sorry, I can't. Not now.
382
00:17:41,551 --> 00:17:43,640
Oh, you misunderstand my kindness here.
383
00:17:43,684 --> 00:17:46,948
I'm not asking. I'm telling.
384
00:17:46,991 --> 00:17:48,776
You're telling?
385
00:17:48,819 --> 00:17:50,473
No, you don't get to
tell me a damn thing.
386
00:17:50,517 --> 00:17:52,606
Sure I do. For starters, I'm telling you
387
00:17:52,649 --> 00:17:54,390
that we know that vice Pastor Sherman
388
00:17:54,433 --> 00:17:59,221
deposited a $50,000 check a
day after Emily Wade was shot.
389
00:17:59,264 --> 00:18:00,962
So?
390
00:18:01,005 --> 00:18:03,486
So we want to know
what the check was for.
391
00:18:03,530 --> 00:18:05,401
- It's a private matter.
- Private?
392
00:18:05,444 --> 00:18:07,534
Sherman was charged with murder,
393
00:18:07,577 --> 00:18:10,841
so anything he has said or
done is now a public matter.
394
00:18:12,626 --> 00:18:15,237
I'm done talking, so
you can either arrest me
395
00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,631
or step out of my way.
396
00:18:24,594 --> 00:18:26,422
Good day.
397
00:18:37,564 --> 00:18:39,522
Does your pastor drive a Bentley?
398
00:18:39,566 --> 00:18:41,872
I don't go to church enough to know.
399
00:18:45,685 --> 00:18:48,427
A superseding indictment
for first-degree murder.
400
00:18:48,470 --> 00:18:51,343
- On what basis?
- Murder for hire.
401
00:18:51,405 --> 00:18:55,670
Pastor Mike paid your
client to kill Emily Wade.
402
00:18:56,137 --> 00:18:57,747
Is this a joke?
403
00:18:57,791 --> 00:19:00,097
Here are 50,000 reasons it's not.
404
00:19:01,977 --> 00:19:05,241
So he makes a $50,000 deposit.
405
00:19:05,276 --> 00:19:07,721
- Who cares?
- I'm guessing the jury might
406
00:19:07,746 --> 00:19:09,574
since it was the day after the murder
407
00:19:09,618 --> 00:19:11,054
from a First Harmony account.
408
00:19:11,097 --> 00:19:14,666
And phone logs show Mr.
Sherman called Pastor Mike
409
00:19:14,710 --> 00:19:18,061
just before and after Emily
Wade was shot to death.
410
00:19:18,104 --> 00:19:20,237
Look, if we're right, and we are,
411
00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,109
you would be wise to cooperate.
412
00:19:23,153 --> 00:19:26,330
Tell us what really happened,
or there's a very good chance
413
00:19:26,373 --> 00:19:29,899
you'll die in prison.
414
00:19:29,942 --> 00:19:32,684
I've got nothing to say.
415
00:19:32,728 --> 00:19:36,862
You feel obligation to Pastor Mike
416
00:19:36,906 --> 00:19:39,125
because he took you in,
417
00:19:39,169 --> 00:19:41,475
he gave you a job, a purpose.
418
00:19:41,519 --> 00:19:45,044
But what he really did is use you.
419
00:19:45,088 --> 00:19:49,483
That's why you're here
taking the rap and he's not.
420
00:19:52,269 --> 00:19:55,228
Murder two, 15 years.
421
00:19:56,926 --> 00:19:58,797
I'm not a rat.
422
00:20:07,980 --> 00:20:10,679
Hold on. Wait.
423
00:20:16,641 --> 00:20:20,079
How about man one, ten years flat?
424
00:20:20,123 --> 00:20:23,126
We're listening.
425
00:20:23,169 --> 00:20:25,911
Pastor Mike was nervous.
426
00:20:25,955 --> 00:20:28,479
Said that Emily was a problem.
427
00:20:28,522 --> 00:20:30,611
That we needed to shut her ass up.
428
00:20:30,655 --> 00:20:34,267
What did he mean by that?
429
00:20:34,311 --> 00:20:37,314
He wanted me to kill her.
430
00:20:40,273 --> 00:20:42,145
Why would he want to do that?
431
00:20:42,188 --> 00:20:46,497
She told Pastor Mike she
was gonna call the police
432
00:20:46,540 --> 00:20:49,413
if he didn't return
her brother's donation.
433
00:20:49,456 --> 00:20:51,763
Let them know what's really
going on in the church.
434
00:20:51,807 --> 00:20:55,506
- Is that some sort of secret?
- No.
435
00:20:55,549 --> 00:20:58,335
But Pastor Mike doesn't
like paying taxes
436
00:20:58,378 --> 00:21:02,774
or going to jail, so he panicked.
437
00:21:02,818 --> 00:21:05,081
Okay.
438
00:21:05,124 --> 00:21:06,517
Yeah, we got a deal,
439
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,433
assuming your story
checks out, of course.
440
00:21:13,742 --> 00:21:17,876
Did you give or donate
money to Pastor Mike?
441
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,009
Yes.
442
00:21:20,052 --> 00:21:21,575
$40,000.
443
00:21:21,619 --> 00:21:24,796
- Did Emily know about this?
- Yes.
444
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,842
I told her that day I asked
her to help me pay the rent.
445
00:21:26,885 --> 00:21:30,628
Well, when she heard about
the donation, was she upset?
446
00:21:30,671 --> 00:21:34,806
Did she tell you she was going
to go get your money back?
447
00:21:34,850 --> 00:21:37,809
She was upset. She
thought I was an idiot.
448
00:21:37,853 --> 00:21:39,724
But she didn't think like I did.
449
00:21:39,768 --> 00:21:43,815
She's not a believer like me.
450
00:21:43,859 --> 00:21:46,775
Wait.
451
00:21:46,818 --> 00:21:50,082
You think Pastor Mike has
something to do with her murder?
452
00:21:50,126 --> 00:21:51,562
That is correct.
453
00:21:51,605 --> 00:21:53,694
When she found out you
gave him that money,
454
00:21:53,738 --> 00:21:57,176
she stormed over to the church
and demanded he give it back.
455
00:21:57,220 --> 00:21:59,483
Or she would inform the
police about his antics.
456
00:21:59,526 --> 00:22:01,006
What do you mean antics?
457
00:22:01,050 --> 00:22:05,083
Buying houses and boats with his
congregants' hard-earned cash.
458
00:22:05,084 --> 00:22:07,970
You're wrong. The money we
give helps with prosperity.
459
00:22:08,013 --> 00:22:09,580
It's part of the gospel.
460
00:22:09,623 --> 00:22:11,321
I know this is hard for you to hear...
461
00:22:11,364 --> 00:22:13,410
Pastor Mike would never hurt Emily.
462
00:22:13,453 --> 00:22:14,890
He's a healer.
463
00:22:14,933 --> 00:22:19,546
I mean, if it wasn't for
him, I'd probably be dead.
464
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:21,461
I mean, he got me off heroin.
465
00:22:25,074 --> 00:22:27,076
And with all due respect,
466
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,601
that has nothing to do
with your sister's case.
467
00:22:33,604 --> 00:22:36,999
I think I've had enough.
468
00:22:37,042 --> 00:22:39,610
Please leave.
469
00:22:39,653 --> 00:22:41,786
Now.
470
00:22:45,659 --> 00:22:46,965
Let me get this straight.
471
00:22:47,009 --> 00:22:49,838
You want to go after a
pillar of the community,
472
00:22:49,881 --> 00:22:52,275
a clergyman,
473
00:22:52,318 --> 00:22:54,146
on the word of a convicted felon
474
00:22:54,190 --> 00:22:55,931
with every reason to trade up.
475
00:22:55,974 --> 00:22:58,847
We believe Henry Sherman
is telling the truth.
476
00:22:58,890 --> 00:23:01,501
The victim's brother confirmed
the crux of his story.
477
00:23:01,545 --> 00:23:04,417
That's great, but
Sherman is still the felon
478
00:23:04,461 --> 00:23:07,333
with a fantastic motive
to lie his ass off.
479
00:23:07,377 --> 00:23:09,727
We're talking about a religious leader
480
00:23:09,770 --> 00:23:13,078
who orchestrated someone's
murder to cover up his scheme.
481
00:23:13,122 --> 00:23:15,776
If we don't at least try
to hold someone like that
482
00:23:15,820 --> 00:23:18,388
accountable, we're in
the wrong line of work.
483
00:23:22,696 --> 00:23:26,135
Put Pastor Mike on
trial, not his church.
484
00:23:26,178 --> 00:23:29,878
If you lose religious jurors,
you won't have a prayer.
485
00:23:32,750 --> 00:23:36,232
♪ Gonna lay down my burden ♪
486
00:23:36,275 --> 00:23:38,669
♪ Down by the riverside ♪
487
00:23:38,712 --> 00:23:43,456
- ♪ Study war no more ♪
- Yes.
488
00:23:43,500 --> 00:23:45,154
Lord.
489
00:23:45,197 --> 00:23:47,678
- They live.
- Yes.
490
00:23:47,721 --> 00:23:50,507
- Praise the Lord.
- Yeah!
491
00:23:50,550 --> 00:23:52,378
Thank you, choir, for
lifting our spirits
492
00:23:52,422 --> 00:23:54,206
on the winds of your song. Amen?
493
00:23:54,250 --> 00:23:55,816
- Amen.
- Amen?
494
00:23:55,860 --> 00:23:57,427
Amen.
495
00:23:57,470 --> 00:24:01,170
I want to talk about the importance
of your financial support.
496
00:24:01,213 --> 00:24:03,520
What you give your church
will come back to you tenfold.
497
00:24:03,563 --> 00:24:06,479
- Yes.
- Detectives.
498
00:24:06,523 --> 00:24:08,481
You're interrupting our service.
499
00:24:08,525 --> 00:24:10,701
Pastor, we need a word.
500
00:24:10,744 --> 00:24:13,486
- You're gonna have to wait.
- Justice waits for no man.
501
00:24:15,140 --> 00:24:19,623
You're under arrest for
the murder of Emily Wade.
502
00:24:25,098 --> 00:24:29,145
Fear not, my children. God has a plan.
503
00:24:29,198 --> 00:24:30,851
The righteous shall prevail.
504
00:24:32,649 --> 00:24:34,042
This is ludicrous.
505
00:24:34,588 --> 00:24:36,199
Do you seriously think
506
00:24:36,224 --> 00:24:38,095
that I'm involved in
this young woman's death?
507
00:24:38,139 --> 00:24:39,271
We do.
508
00:24:39,314 --> 00:24:41,925
Because Reverend
Sherman made up a story.
509
00:24:41,984 --> 00:24:44,378
He seemed pretty credible.
510
00:24:44,406 --> 00:24:48,062
Evidence supports it too.
511
00:24:48,123 --> 00:24:51,562
I suppose the darkness
from within was just
512
00:24:51,587 --> 00:24:52,936
too much for him to overcome.
513
00:24:52,980 --> 00:24:55,200
Yeah, that may be true, but right now,
514
00:24:55,243 --> 00:24:58,638
you need to help yourself
and tell us what happened.
515
00:25:03,599 --> 00:25:06,036
I'm done talking.
516
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,951
I want a lawyer.
517
00:25:07,995 --> 00:25:10,954
Reverend Sherman can
say whatever he wants,
518
00:25:10,998 --> 00:25:13,914
but the truth will prevail.
519
00:25:19,267 --> 00:25:21,443
After Emily Wade left First Harmony,
520
00:25:21,487 --> 00:25:24,577
did you have occasion to
confer with Pastor Mike?
521
00:25:24,620 --> 00:25:26,970
- I did.
- And what did he tell you
522
00:25:27,014 --> 00:25:29,234
about the conversation
that he'd had with her?
523
00:25:36,328 --> 00:25:41,637
We didn't talk about her.
We talked about his sermon.
524
00:25:41,681 --> 00:25:44,161
He didn't tell you that Ms. Wade
525
00:25:44,205 --> 00:25:45,946
wanted her brother's money back
526
00:25:45,989 --> 00:25:47,904
or she was gonna go to the police?
527
00:25:47,948 --> 00:25:49,341
- No.
- He didn't tell you
528
00:25:49,384 --> 00:25:51,734
that she would destroy
everything you'd built,
529
00:25:51,778 --> 00:25:54,476
- so you had to shut her up?
- No.
530
00:26:00,134 --> 00:26:03,137
Mr. Sherman, did you
or did you not tell me
531
00:26:03,180 --> 00:26:06,445
Pastor Mike paid you to kill Emily Wade.
532
00:26:06,488 --> 00:26:08,795
I did tell you that,
533
00:26:08,838 --> 00:26:10,623
and I was lying because I wanted a deal.
534
00:26:12,102 --> 00:26:14,017
Quiet or I'll clear the gallery.
535
00:26:14,061 --> 00:26:18,152
The truth is you're lying
now out of some misguided
536
00:26:18,195 --> 00:26:19,849
sense of loyalty to
your boss, aren't you?
537
00:26:19,893 --> 00:26:22,417
I'm not lying. I'm telling the truth.
538
00:26:22,461 --> 00:26:24,245
Sir, I remind you that
if you violate the terms
539
00:26:24,289 --> 00:26:26,160
- of your plea agreement...
- Objection.
540
00:26:26,203 --> 00:26:29,032
- Asked and answered.
- I agree.
541
00:26:29,076 --> 00:26:33,737
Mr. Price, the witness'
testimony is very clear.
542
00:26:37,389 --> 00:26:39,478
Nothing further.
543
00:26:39,521 --> 00:26:41,001
Mr. Dressler?
544
00:26:41,044 --> 00:26:42,655
No questions, Your Honor.
545
00:26:42,698 --> 00:26:45,614
The People request a brief recess.
546
00:26:45,658 --> 00:26:47,355
We're adjourned until tomorrow.
547
00:26:58,540 --> 00:27:01,195
Rikers' Visitor Log shows
Pastor Mike's attorney
548
00:27:01,238 --> 00:27:03,153
went to visit Sherman in jail yesterday.
549
00:27:03,197 --> 00:27:06,809
Less than 24 hours later,
Sherman sandbags us.
550
00:27:06,853 --> 00:27:08,376
It's witness tampering.
551
00:27:08,420 --> 00:27:10,509
No doubt.
552
00:27:10,552 --> 00:27:12,467
But that's too hard to prove.
553
00:27:12,511 --> 00:27:14,339
We'll just have to make
the case without him.
554
00:27:19,474 --> 00:27:22,651
We were looking at calls
coming into Pastor Mike
555
00:27:22,695 --> 00:27:24,697
the day of the murder, right?
556
00:27:24,740 --> 00:27:26,046
Yeah, I'm not following.
557
00:27:26,089 --> 00:27:28,614
We know Sherman called Pastor Mike
558
00:27:28,657 --> 00:27:30,355
right after he killed Emily.
559
00:27:30,398 --> 00:27:33,401
But according to this call log,
Pastor Mike called someone else
560
00:27:33,445 --> 00:27:36,535
as soon as that
conversation was finished.
561
00:27:36,578 --> 00:27:38,754
Let's find out who he
called and what he said.
562
00:27:43,759 --> 00:27:46,066
As Senior Pastor of First Harmony,
563
00:27:46,109 --> 00:27:49,112
I don't have day-to-day involvement.
564
00:27:49,156 --> 00:27:53,552
I function strictly in
an advisory capacity now.
565
00:27:53,595 --> 00:27:56,381
Yes, but that capacity includes
566
00:27:56,424 --> 00:27:58,818
the provision of counsel
to Pastor Mike, doesn't it?
567
00:27:58,861 --> 00:28:00,254
It does.
568
00:28:00,297 --> 00:28:03,779
Does he typically call
you in the evening?
569
00:28:03,823 --> 00:28:08,088
- He does not.
- But he did call you December 14th at night.
570
00:28:08,131 --> 00:28:09,655
What did you two talk about?
571
00:28:11,613 --> 00:28:13,441
I'm a preacher.
572
00:28:13,485 --> 00:28:15,965
Conversations with my congregants are
573
00:28:16,009 --> 00:28:18,446
meant to be confidential.
574
00:28:18,490 --> 00:28:20,666
A woman was murdered.
575
00:28:20,709 --> 00:28:22,581
Doesn't that trump confidentiality?
576
00:28:25,975 --> 00:28:29,541
He called me on that
night as his clergyman.
577
00:28:30,371 --> 00:28:34,331
He wanted to unburden his soul,
578
00:28:34,375 --> 00:28:38,205
which means the nature
of that conversation
579
00:28:38,248 --> 00:28:42,601
is protected under the laws
of the State of New York.
580
00:28:42,644 --> 00:28:47,301
So just so I'm clear...
581
00:28:47,367 --> 00:28:51,502
you're okay if a murderer walks free?
582
00:28:58,660 --> 00:29:03,665
I'm not talking, fellas. Simple as that.
583
00:29:11,812 --> 00:29:14,554
Bryant is the whole
ballgame. He has to testify.
584
00:29:14,598 --> 00:29:18,950
But he's a clergyman. And
he's right about the law.
585
00:29:18,993 --> 00:29:21,561
His conversation with the
defendant is privileged.
586
00:29:21,605 --> 00:29:25,391
Unless that privilege is in
service of a crime or fraud.
587
00:29:25,435 --> 00:29:26,958
You're on dangerous ground, Nolan.
588
00:29:27,001 --> 00:29:29,090
To prove that, you have
to attack the church.
589
00:29:29,134 --> 00:29:30,744
I thought we agreed
590
00:29:30,788 --> 00:29:33,486
that we would make the case
about the man not the religion.
591
00:29:33,530 --> 00:29:34,748
I'm not going after religion.
592
00:29:34,792 --> 00:29:37,621
I'm going after a
single corrupt preacher.
593
00:29:37,664 --> 00:29:39,405
It'll read as blasphemy.
594
00:29:39,449 --> 00:29:41,320
Delegitimizing First Harmony
595
00:29:41,363 --> 00:29:43,844
is the only way to convict Pastor Mike.
596
00:29:43,888 --> 00:29:45,716
Otherwise, we may as
well drop the charges.
597
00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:49,110
If we lose this case,
all people will remember
598
00:29:49,154 --> 00:29:51,417
is an over-zealous prosecutor
599
00:29:51,461 --> 00:29:54,289
who vilified a church
for no good reason.
600
00:29:54,333 --> 00:29:56,988
And that's all I'm
going to remember too.
601
00:29:59,947 --> 00:30:03,429
The mere suggestion this
trial should devolve into
602
00:30:03,473 --> 00:30:06,867
a referendum on the legitimacy
of First Harmony is outrageous.
603
00:30:06,911 --> 00:30:09,566
I take the point. Mr. Price?
604
00:30:09,609 --> 00:30:13,787
The People are aware of the
sensitivities at play here.
605
00:30:13,831 --> 00:30:15,920
But we're only
questioning that legitimacy
606
00:30:15,963 --> 00:30:19,097
for the limited purposes
of a privilege inquiry.
607
00:30:19,140 --> 00:30:21,969
The phone call between
Pastor Mike and Pastor Bryant
608
00:30:22,013 --> 00:30:25,277
was obviously for the purpose
of seeking spiritual advice.
609
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:26,974
Presumptively for that purpose,
610
00:30:27,018 --> 00:30:29,542
a presumption that can be overcome
611
00:30:29,586 --> 00:30:33,459
if we establish that the
church is a corrupt enterprise.
612
00:30:33,503 --> 00:30:35,592
I share your concerns, Mr. Dressler,
613
00:30:35,635 --> 00:30:37,942
but this is a murder trial.
614
00:30:37,985 --> 00:30:39,561
So I'm gonna grant the People
615
00:30:39,562 --> 00:30:43,077
a limited opportunity
to demonstrate fraud.
616
00:30:43,121 --> 00:30:45,993
And the defense will
have the chance to rebut.
617
00:30:51,738 --> 00:30:56,569
Mr. Conley, how much did
you donate to First Harmony?
618
00:30:56,613 --> 00:30:59,180
$61,000 over three years.
619
00:30:59,224 --> 00:31:00,530
And during that time,
620
00:31:00,573 --> 00:31:03,402
did you experience
any financial setbacks?
621
00:31:03,445 --> 00:31:06,405
Yes. I lost my home, my car.
622
00:31:06,448 --> 00:31:08,059
Couldn't even pay the storage facility,
623
00:31:08,102 --> 00:31:09,539
so they sold my stuff.
624
00:31:09,582 --> 00:31:12,890
And yet you continued donating
to First Harmony, right?
625
00:31:12,933 --> 00:31:14,326
- Yes.
- Why?
626
00:31:14,369 --> 00:31:16,502
Because Pastor Mike told
me if I stopped giving,
627
00:31:16,546 --> 00:31:18,983
it could jeopardize my
relationship with God.
628
00:31:19,026 --> 00:31:21,899
The money you donated...
do you know where it went?
629
00:31:21,942 --> 00:31:23,988
Yeah. His Tesla.
630
00:31:24,031 --> 00:31:27,252
His mansion in Armonk. His catamaran.
631
00:31:27,295 --> 00:31:30,342
What Pastor needs a catamaran?
632
00:31:30,385 --> 00:31:32,562
Nothing further.
633
00:31:36,087 --> 00:31:38,611
Mr. Conley,
634
00:31:38,655 --> 00:31:41,396
are you currently a member
of Gamblers Anonymous?
635
00:31:43,834 --> 00:31:45,139
Yes.
636
00:31:45,183 --> 00:31:47,620
And how much money
have you lost gambling
637
00:31:47,664 --> 00:31:49,100
the past three years?
638
00:31:49,143 --> 00:31:50,841
I don't remember.
639
00:31:50,884 --> 00:31:54,322
Nearly $200,000. Is that right?
640
00:31:54,366 --> 00:31:56,107
I guess.
641
00:31:56,150 --> 00:31:58,283
So First Harmony isn't the real cause
642
00:31:58,326 --> 00:32:00,459
of your financial woes, is it?
643
00:32:00,502 --> 00:32:01,895
Doesn't matter.
644
00:32:01,939 --> 00:32:04,202
That man over there stole from me.
645
00:32:10,774 --> 00:32:13,603
Mr. Ballard, you're a
recovering heroin addict.
646
00:32:13,646 --> 00:32:15,387
- Is that right?
- Recovered.
647
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:16,954
That's amazing.
648
00:32:16,997 --> 00:32:20,044
And to what do you
attribute your recovery?
649
00:32:20,087 --> 00:32:21,654
Pastor Mike.
650
00:32:21,698 --> 00:32:24,788
He got me into a facility,
paid for the program.
651
00:32:24,831 --> 00:32:26,572
Visited me every day for six weeks
652
00:32:26,616 --> 00:32:28,052
to make sure I was doing the work.
653
00:32:28,095 --> 00:32:30,358
Were you employed as a sales rep
654
00:32:30,402 --> 00:32:32,317
for Shearing Pharmaceuticals?
655
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,667
Yes, for four years.
656
00:32:34,711 --> 00:32:36,277
I just got laid off.
657
00:32:36,321 --> 00:32:39,063
I'm sorry about that.
And who got you that job?
658
00:32:39,106 --> 00:32:40,804
Pastor Mike.
659
00:32:40,847 --> 00:32:42,457
There's been testimony about
660
00:32:42,501 --> 00:32:44,982
Pastor Mike's extravagant lifestyle.
661
00:32:45,025 --> 00:32:46,636
Are you familiar with how he lives?
662
00:32:46,679 --> 00:32:47,898
Of course.
663
00:32:47,941 --> 00:32:50,204
And it's a blessing to the congregation.
664
00:32:50,248 --> 00:32:52,772
Do you believe First Harmony
defrauded you in any way?
665
00:32:52,816 --> 00:32:55,253
No. As Pastor Mike likes to say,
666
00:32:55,296 --> 00:32:58,343
"When we invest in the church,
we invest in ourselves."
667
00:32:58,386 --> 00:33:00,084
And I'm living proof that's true.
668
00:33:00,127 --> 00:33:01,694
Thank you.
669
00:33:04,349 --> 00:33:05,611
Mr. Ballard,
670
00:33:05,655 --> 00:33:08,048
I'm very sorry about
the loss of your sister.
671
00:33:08,092 --> 00:33:10,572
Thank you.
672
00:33:10,616 --> 00:33:15,447
Until a short time ago,
what was your net worth?
673
00:33:15,490 --> 00:33:17,449
About $40,000.
674
00:33:17,492 --> 00:33:19,494
What's your net worth now?
675
00:33:19,538 --> 00:33:22,367
- Less than that.
- In fact, it is zero.
676
00:33:22,410 --> 00:33:26,414
Because you donated every
cent you had to First Harmony.
677
00:33:26,458 --> 00:33:27,807
I'll make more.
678
00:33:27,851 --> 00:33:30,636
How much have you given First Harmony
679
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,160
over the past four years?
680
00:33:33,204 --> 00:33:34,466
I don't remember.
681
00:33:34,509 --> 00:33:38,426
Does almost $90,000 sound right?
682
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:42,692
I donated because that's
the right thing to do.
683
00:33:42,735 --> 00:33:44,781
I owe Pastor Mike. I owe him.
684
00:33:44,824 --> 00:33:49,176
Well, isn't it possible
that the man you say you owe
685
00:33:49,220 --> 00:33:51,265
turned you into a productive citizen
686
00:33:51,309 --> 00:33:54,355
in order to milk you of
everything you earned?
687
00:33:54,399 --> 00:33:57,228
No. Donating to your church
is the right thing to do.
688
00:33:57,271 --> 00:33:59,273
Pastor Mike deserves
every penny I gave him.
689
00:33:59,317 --> 00:34:01,188
Oh, you gave Pastor Mike your money?
690
00:34:01,232 --> 00:34:03,800
No, no, I meant I... I
gave it to First Harm...
691
00:34:03,842 --> 00:34:05,671
this man is trying to fool me!
692
00:34:05,715 --> 00:34:07,412
No, sir.
693
00:34:07,454 --> 00:34:11,371
I am not the one fooling you.
694
00:34:11,416 --> 00:34:13,723
Nothing further.
695
00:34:19,816 --> 00:34:22,121
The parishioners who donated
696
00:34:22,166 --> 00:34:24,342
did so knowing that Pastor
Mike was spending at least
697
00:34:24,385 --> 00:34:26,822
some of the money on himself.
698
00:34:26,866 --> 00:34:29,389
No one was threatened or coerced.
699
00:34:29,434 --> 00:34:33,786
They donated for inspiration,
which is exactly what they got.
700
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:39,009
Pastor Mike's success was
a beacon to his parish,
701
00:34:39,052 --> 00:34:41,793
which is all that the
prosperity gospel entails.
702
00:34:41,838 --> 00:34:44,144
You get the benefit of your bargain,
703
00:34:44,188 --> 00:34:47,713
it can't be fraud.
704
00:34:47,757 --> 00:34:50,803
Mr. Price?
705
00:34:50,847 --> 00:34:56,591
Fraud needn't be a function
of deceit or coercion.
706
00:34:56,635 --> 00:34:58,289
It can also be manipulation
707
00:34:58,332 --> 00:35:00,900
by a person in a position of trust,
708
00:35:00,944 --> 00:35:04,817
such as a pastor who tells his flock
709
00:35:04,861 --> 00:35:08,168
that their relationship
with God will be compromised
710
00:35:08,212 --> 00:35:11,345
if they don't give money to the church.
711
00:35:11,389 --> 00:35:13,870
These donations were part
of a shameless money grab
712
00:35:13,913 --> 00:35:16,873
by a charismatic and manipulative figure
713
00:35:16,916 --> 00:35:19,745
in a position of control and power.
714
00:35:19,789 --> 00:35:23,575
The defendant concealed these
cash contributions from the IRS
715
00:35:23,618 --> 00:35:25,577
and used the money he received
716
00:35:25,620 --> 00:35:28,058
to finance his opulent lifestyle.
717
00:35:28,101 --> 00:35:32,802
That is not religion. That's fraud.
718
00:35:40,722 --> 00:35:44,161
I agree with Mr. Price.
719
00:35:44,204 --> 00:35:48,905
And since the defense
did not rebut his claims,
720
00:35:48,948 --> 00:35:52,299
I am vitiating the clergy privilege.
721
00:36:04,877 --> 00:36:07,880
Mr. Price.
722
00:36:07,924 --> 00:36:09,664
- Why you doing this?
- Excuse me?
723
00:36:09,708 --> 00:36:11,841
Trying to destroy my church.
724
00:36:11,884 --> 00:36:14,321
No, I can assure you,
that is not my objective.
725
00:36:14,365 --> 00:36:16,280
You're acting like we
don't know what we're doing,
726
00:36:16,323 --> 00:36:18,586
that Pastor Mike is
trying to defraud us.
727
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:21,111
That's not what's going on here.
728
00:36:21,154 --> 00:36:23,761
We know what we're doing. We
want to give him our money.
729
00:36:23,904 --> 00:36:27,465
That is your choice.
I... I don't really care.
730
00:36:27,508 --> 00:36:29,641
I'm simply trying to
present the facts to the jury
731
00:36:29,684 --> 00:36:31,556
so they know what really happened...
732
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:33,906
so they know who really
killed Emily, your sister.
733
00:36:33,950 --> 00:36:35,603
I-I would've thought that's something
734
00:36:35,647 --> 00:36:36,778
you might be interested in as well.
735
00:36:36,922 --> 00:36:38,793
Don't do that.
736
00:36:38,837 --> 00:36:42,797
Don't you dare suggest that
I don't love my sister Emily.
737
00:36:42,841 --> 00:36:46,018
I do. More than anything.
738
00:36:46,062 --> 00:36:47,193
But she's gone.
739
00:36:47,237 --> 00:36:49,195
Ain't nothing we can do about that.
740
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:50,588
And nothing you could do to convince me
741
00:36:50,631 --> 00:36:52,285
that Pastor Mike is involved.
742
00:36:52,329 --> 00:36:54,809
- I won't bother trying.
- Wait, wait.
743
00:36:56,986 --> 00:37:00,511
I'm just scared.
744
00:37:00,554 --> 00:37:04,819
If you destroy Pastor
Mike and my church...
745
00:37:07,300 --> 00:37:10,390
I'm left with absolutely nothing.
746
00:37:15,308 --> 00:37:17,180
Please.
747
00:37:31,150 --> 00:37:33,631
Pastor Mike Butler
748
00:37:33,674 --> 00:37:37,504
called you at 9:14 on the
evening of Emily Wade's murder.
749
00:37:39,506 --> 00:37:42,379
- He did.
- And what did he tell you?
750
00:37:49,299 --> 00:37:53,564
He told me he wanted to pray with me
751
00:37:53,607 --> 00:37:57,046
because he had transgressed.
752
00:38:00,527 --> 00:38:05,402
Did he tell you exactly
what the transgression was?
753
00:38:05,445 --> 00:38:07,969
This is not right.
754
00:38:08,013 --> 00:38:10,929
That conversation was sacred.
755
00:38:10,972 --> 00:38:12,104
Pastor Bryant...
756
00:38:12,148 --> 00:38:15,238
Only God should know the contents.
757
00:38:15,281 --> 00:38:19,155
Will the court please
instruct the witness to answer?
758
00:38:19,198 --> 00:38:21,896
Pastor Bryant, the court has ruled
759
00:38:21,940 --> 00:38:23,898
clergy privilege does not apply here.
760
00:38:23,942 --> 00:38:25,552
- Oh.
- If you don't answer,
761
00:38:25,596 --> 00:38:27,206
I will have to hold you in contempt.
762
00:38:27,250 --> 00:38:28,947
Do you understand that?
763
00:38:32,733 --> 00:38:33,952
Yes.
764
00:38:33,995 --> 00:38:37,608
Ask your question again, Mr. Price.
765
00:38:37,651 --> 00:38:40,741
I'll make it a simple
yes or no question.
766
00:38:40,785 --> 00:38:43,657
Did the defendant tell you
767
00:38:43,701 --> 00:38:47,966
that he had instructed Mr.
Sherman to kill Emily Wade?
768
00:38:53,754 --> 00:38:55,104
Yes.
769
00:39:11,207 --> 00:39:14,471
Nothing further.
770
00:39:14,514 --> 00:39:16,734
Then we are adjourned for the day.
771
00:39:21,652 --> 00:39:23,697
Man one, 20 max.
772
00:39:23,741 --> 00:39:26,570
Murder two, 20 to life.
773
00:39:32,228 --> 00:39:35,100
I'll start drafting the plea agreement.
774
00:39:35,144 --> 00:39:39,060
I'll, um, talk to Emily's brother,
775
00:39:39,104 --> 00:39:41,454
let him know the case is over.
776
00:39:51,986 --> 00:39:53,423
Lonnie?
777
00:39:53,466 --> 00:39:56,469
It's Nolan Price from the DA's office.
778
00:39:58,384 --> 00:40:01,561
Hello, Lonnie?
779
00:40:13,138 --> 00:40:15,967
Oh, no. Lonnie?
780
00:40:16,010 --> 00:40:18,665
Lonnie.
781
00:40:18,709 --> 00:40:20,972
Lonnie? Lonnie?
782
00:40:21,015 --> 00:40:22,495
Lonnie? Oh, God.
783
00:40:26,499 --> 00:40:29,154
Yeah, I-I need an ambulance.
784
00:40:29,198 --> 00:40:31,591
435 Warshaw, Queens. Apartment 4B.
785
00:40:31,635 --> 00:40:34,333
He's overdosed. I need help right away.
786
00:40:36,117 --> 00:40:39,643
Lonnie? Lonnie, stay with me.
787
00:40:47,347 --> 00:40:52,347
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