All language subtitles for A.Good.Day.To.Die.Hoka.Hey.2016.720p.WEBRip.x264.AAC-[YTS.MX]

af Afrikaans
ak Akan
sq Albanian
am Amharic
ar Arabic
hy Armenian
az Azerbaijani
eu Basque
be Belarusian
bem Bemba
bn Bengali
bh Bihari
bs Bosnian
br Breton
bg Bulgarian
km Cambodian
ca Catalan
ceb Cebuano
chr Cherokee
ny Chichewa
zh-CN Chinese (Simplified)
zh-TW Chinese (Traditional)
co Corsican
hr Croatian
cs Czech
da Danish
nl Dutch
en English
eo Esperanto
et Estonian
ee Ewe
fo Faroese
tl Filipino
fi Finnish
fr French
fy Frisian
gaa Ga
gl Galician
ka Georgian
de German
el Greek
gn Guarani
gu Gujarati
ht Haitian Creole
ha Hausa
haw Hawaiian
iw Hebrew
hi Hindi
hmn Hmong
hu Hungarian
is Icelandic
ig Igbo
id Indonesian
ia Interlingua
ga Irish
it Italian
ja Japanese
jw Javanese
kn Kannada
kk Kazakh
rw Kinyarwanda
rn Kirundi
kg Kongo
ko Korean
kri Krio (Sierra Leone)
ku Kurdish
ckb Kurdish (Soranî)
ky Kyrgyz
lo Laothian
la Latin
lv Latvian
ln Lingala
lt Lithuanian
loz Lozi
lg Luganda
ach Luo
lb Luxembourgish
mk Macedonian
mg Malagasy
ms Malay
ml Malayalam
mt Maltese
mi Maori
mr Marathi
mfe Mauritian Creole
mo Moldavian
mn Mongolian
my Myanmar (Burmese)
sr-ME Montenegrin
ne Nepali
pcm Nigerian Pidgin
nso Northern Sotho
no Norwegian
nn Norwegian (Nynorsk)
oc Occitan
or Oriya
om Oromo
ps Pashto
fa Persian
pl Polish
pt-BR Portuguese (Brazil)
pt Portuguese (Portugal) Download
pa Punjabi
qu Quechua
ro Romanian
rm Romansh
nyn Runyakitara
ru Russian
sm Samoan
gd Scots Gaelic
sr Serbian
sh Serbo-Croatian
st Sesotho
tn Setswana
crs Seychellois Creole
sn Shona
sd Sindhi
si Sinhalese
sk Slovak
sl Slovenian
so Somali
es Spanish Download
es-419 Spanish (Latin American)
su Sundanese
sw Swahili
sv Swedish
tg Tajik
ta Tamil
tt Tatar
te Telugu
th Thai
ti Tigrinya
to Tonga
lua Tshiluba
tum Tumbuka
tr Turkish
tk Turkmen
tw Twi
ug Uighur
uk Ukrainian
ur Urdu
uz Uzbek
vi Vietnamese
cy Welsh
wo Wolof
xh Xhosa
yi Yiddish
yo Yoruba
zu Zulu
Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:04,840 (helicopter propellers) 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,960 (camera shutter) 5 00:00:25,240 --> 00:00:27,960 (camera shutter) 6 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,680 - How you doing, all right? - Yeah, how about you? 7 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:18,360 - Yeah, good, mate. 8 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,120 Pretty much standard procedure, if you've got suspected IDs, 9 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:24,480 even though you're clearing it, 10 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:25,680 you want to walk in the footsteps 11 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:26,640 of the person in front of you. 12 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,240 If they've stepped on that patch 13 00:01:28,320 --> 00:01:29,400 and it hasn't triggered anything, 14 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,640 there's a good chance that that's a safe bit of ground. 15 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,000 But of course if you pause for even a fraction of a second 16 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:36,640 to frame up and take an image, 17 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,440 you're not looking where their feet went. 18 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,720 And so, now this is a very demanding job, 19 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:42,840 requires a lot of concentration 20 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,720 and a lot of fear management as well. 21 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,960 And you just reach the point where you're like, 22 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:49,560 there's only so much I can do, 23 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,600 I have to trust that that guy in front 24 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,680 is picking up any traces if there are any devices here. 25 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,800 (explosion) 26 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,560 (gunfire) 27 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,560 - Jeremy get down in there, get down there! 28 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,400 (camera shutter) 29 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,680 (crackling) 30 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,960 (intense instrumental music) 31 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,400 - Colombia is one of the most dangerous countries 32 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,640 in the world, for decades it's been ravaged 33 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,280 by political violence, drug cartels of course, 34 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,600 and human rights violations. 35 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,600 Photojournalist Jason Howe has spent several years 36 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,680 documenting the civil war there. 37 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,080 - Colombia was the big learning experience, 38 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,080 the place that I had gone to to try and 39 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,320 learn how to be a photojournalist, 40 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:38,080 to learn the skills involved in telling a story in pictures, 41 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:39,520 gaining access to people. 42 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,960 So it was very different from the travel photography 43 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,160 that I'd done before, which was all about, you know, 44 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,200 blue sky, sun behind you, beautiful landscape. 45 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:49,320 This was gonna be a lot more difficult. 46 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:55,880 The first area that I started working 47 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,760 was down in San Vicente del Caguan, 48 00:06:58,840 --> 00:07:02,280 which is the town that the FARC controlled, 49 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,600 in a demilitarised done that the government 50 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,200 had pulled out from to allow them to negotiate there. 51 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,400 The peace process was very shaky, 52 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,640 and they told me that this isn't a good time, 53 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,160 if the situation changes we'll come and let you know, 54 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,600 and then you can visit us in the camp. 55 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,240 Now, given that I had quit my job, 56 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,520 sold off my remaining possessions, 57 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,840 I couldn't allow that initial rebuff 58 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,880 to be the end of the story. 59 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:36,560 I explained to them, I explained the situation, 60 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,480 explained the things that I'd given up 61 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,600 and the fact that I wanted to dedicate my time now 62 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,040 to telling their story was how I put it over at the time. 63 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,280 So I spent the next couple of weeks 64 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,040 sleeping 100 metres away from their camp. 65 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,360 Suddenly the FARC started becoming a little friendlier, 66 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,600 and then as this moved on, eventually one day they said, 67 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,160 oh, you might as well just move your stuff over 68 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:00,680 and move into the camp. 69 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:02,800 So I've got to the point where they would 70 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:04,800 stop thinking of me as a journalist, 71 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:06,720 this person that was in their faces, 72 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,920 and I'd become this person who was kind of in the background 73 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:10,560 that they could kind of get on with their lives 74 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,120 and do what they needed to do. 75 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,520 There was a young couple I spent quite a bit of time with, 76 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,200 a guy called Bernardo and his girlfriend Marisol. 77 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,360 We walked around the camp one evening 78 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:23,400 and they stopped and kissed, 79 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,920 they shot me a sort of little shy, 80 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,120 glance, half smile, and moved on. 81 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,360 After a while the peace process completely broke down 82 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,880 and the government gave the FARC 24 hours 83 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,720 to evacuate the zone before they would come in 84 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:39,880 and take it back by force. 85 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,520 As the FARC had left their zone of control 86 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,400 and the military were coming in to retake the zone, 87 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,680 they had set an ambush, which were two buses and a truck, 88 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,040 and one of the buses had a message painted on the side 89 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:59,000 saying that it had explosives on board. 90 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,840 They sent a few men ahead to basically diffuse the bomb, 91 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:03,960 was the idea, I thought perhaps they would walk up 92 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,320 and just roll a grenade under it, blow the thing up, 93 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,000 it's safe, and on we can go. 94 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,400 The soldiers were walking around, kicking the tyres, 95 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,880 they got in, tried the ignition. 96 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,680 Not techniques that I think are approved 97 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,160 by many bomb disposal squads. 98 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:20,600 I walked away and I'd been gone 99 00:09:20,680 --> 00:09:22,680 probably not more than 30 seconds, 100 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,280 maybe a minute at most, and I was about 15 metres away 101 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:26,600 when there was a large explosion. 102 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,520 (explosion) 103 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,920 I ran round the bus through the smoke 104 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,200 expecting to see the soldiers 105 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,360 that I'd been with for a few hours standing at a distance, 106 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,760 laughing and pointing and saying they had found the bomb. 107 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,720 But instead what I was confronted with 108 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,520 was three bodies laying on the ground, 109 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,240 looking to me to be pretty obviously dead. 110 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,360 It occurred to me immediately that I had 111 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,200 very narrowly escaped being killed by that explosion, 112 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,120 by a matter of a few metres. 113 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:02,600 I then walked over to this other heap in the road 114 00:10:02,680 --> 00:10:05,280 which was two bodies, and then all of a sudden, 115 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:10,360 the body on top groaned, and his eyes came up and met mine. 116 00:10:10,560 --> 00:10:13,960 I sort of froze, I didn't really know what to do. 117 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:15,560 All of a sudden I wasn't just photographing a dead body, 118 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,000 I was photographing someone in pain, 119 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,080 someone that was suffering. 120 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:21,400 My hands were still shaking, 121 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,040 and I was realising in some ways that this was the big test, 122 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,560 this was the, okay, you want to be a war photographer, 123 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,400 you want to witness these serious situations 124 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,280 and take pictures to show other people, here is your test. 125 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,920 If you can handle this, maybe you'll be able to do it. 126 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,080 If you can't, if you're gonna walk around feeling sick 127 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,080 or going into shock, or you don't take any pictures, then, 128 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,680 you've failed, give up. 129 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,280 - The whole idea and the term war photographer 130 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,000 I find pretty ridiculous now. 131 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,280 But you know, when you're in your early 20s 132 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,200 and you're trying to get your war on 133 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,560 and make pictures, you're like, yeah. 134 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:56,960 (gunfire) 135 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,120 Hell yeah! 136 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,960 (gunfire) 137 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:03,400 (explosion) 138 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:04,680 Woo! 139 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,560 I met Jason in Colombia I believe in the year 2000. 140 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,760 And we got on well right from the start. 141 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,480 I mean I thought he was kind of a maniac and an idiot, but, 142 00:11:14,560 --> 00:11:16,440 I loved him for it immediately. 143 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,320 It's a type of maniacal idiocrasy that you just 144 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:21,160 fall in love with. (laughing) 145 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,200 - Me and Eros and are trying to figure out where to go 146 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,040 and then somebody said oh, there's this other guy 147 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,480 who's also a freelancer, he's interested in going. 148 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:31,080 So he came over and we sat down and had a few drinks, 149 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:32,720 looked at some pictures, talked about a plan, 150 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:34,600 and we all came up with a, 151 00:11:34,680 --> 00:11:35,520 (laughs) 152 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:36,800 It's a plan, I don't know if it's a good plan or not, 153 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,560 but we came up with a plan, and that's how we met. 154 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,360 - So a week later we happened to be back down 155 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,960 in the same region on the same road that the FARC controlled 156 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,080 when we came to a roadblock. 157 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:48,800 - And we walked up to the FARC commander, 158 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:50,600 whoever was in charge there, and said, can we take pictures? 159 00:11:50,680 --> 00:11:52,240 He was just like, looked at us going like, 160 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:53,880 yeah, what are you asking me? 161 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,440 Like, I'm trying to do something else here. 162 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,280 - The FARC had all of the civilians laying down 163 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,680 crouching in the road in between their vehicles. 164 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,680 - It was honestly a very cynical technique 165 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,360 because the guerrillas ended up basically 166 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,240 using the civilians as human shields 167 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,200 so that there wouldn't be airstrikes against them. 168 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,240 - And then in the distance to see these government soldiers 169 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:14,920 coming running across the river, 170 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,760 it was a very sort of Vietnam-y kind of feel to the scene. 171 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,880 - It was the first firefight that any of us had been in. 172 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,520 We'd certainly been in situations that were dodgy enough, 173 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,200 but this was a proper gunfight. 174 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:28,640 - There were people trying to get white flags, 175 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,760 trying to make sure they weren't getting shot at. 176 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:32,680 But then the shooting getting more intense and more intense 177 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:34,080 as their army got closer and closer. 178 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:35,880 People are starting to run into this field 179 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,760 to take cover in just some high grass, 180 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:38,840 'cause there was really nowhere to hide. 181 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:40,560 And the FARCs sort of took cover on the other side. 182 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,200 Eros and I went with the civilians, photographed them, 183 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,360 and Jason went with the FARC soldiers. 184 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,360 And that kinda shows you a little bit sort of where 185 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:48,920 he was going, where we're all sort of looking at 186 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:49,880 different parts of the conflict, 187 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,200 within the same scene you're looking at different things. 188 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:53,840 - It didn't really feel dangerous, 189 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:55,120 it felt incredibly exciting. 190 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,560 And I'm sure the civilians must've thought 191 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,280 we were utter lunatics. 192 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,200 - They were shooting, I don't even know how long, 193 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,080 it could've been -- - Maybe a half hour or so. 194 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:05,480 - Three hours, I really don't know. 195 00:13:05,560 --> 00:13:08,280 - Maybe it was five minutes, it's hard to remember really, 196 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:09,200 you're in the middle of it. 197 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:10,440 - You could tell the army was getting closer 198 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,160 and the FARC was kind of getting away. 199 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:13,320 - All of a sudden I found I was alone, 200 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,480 they had gone and left me. 201 00:13:15,560 --> 00:13:16,520 And so the only person that the soldiers 202 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,400 were shooting at now was me. 203 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:19,680 - We're like, Jason! 204 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:20,480 Jason! 205 00:13:20,560 --> 00:13:22,080 He's like what, what? 206 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:23,640 And we're like, you're about to get shot. 207 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,600 - And I didn't really notice or feel any of this 208 00:13:26,680 --> 00:13:28,480 until I got close to the grass and saw the dirt 209 00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:30,440 and the grass flying up as the bullets hit it. 210 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,800 - So then at some point he, we don't see him, 211 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:34,160 we're like uh-oh, did he just get shot? 212 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:35,400 And then we see him crawling back to us 213 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,200 with a big grin on his face. (laughing) 214 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:42,560 - We went back to San Vicente, where life was pretty normal, 215 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,360 and got drunk, and then the next day, 216 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,880 we're like, yeah, we're gonna go out 217 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,360 and find this shit again, man, like hell yeah. 218 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:55,160 We're combat photographers now, we can do it. 219 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:56,880 We were totally hungover. 220 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:11,160 - More than 20 years ago I read Tim Page's autobiography, 221 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:12,920 a book called Page After Page. 222 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:17,480 It was probably my first introduction to 223 00:14:17,560 --> 00:14:21,560 the life of a photojournalist or a war photographer. 224 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:22,760 And it was very exciting, 225 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,560 at that stage I had never even been trampling, 226 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:29,000 certainly never even left England at that point. 227 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,720 (road traffic) 228 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,640 And then I happened to meet him, 229 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:41,480 and I was a little bit shocked 230 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:45,760 by the way he was describing war and the glamour of war, 231 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,440 and kind of admitting that he found it exciting, 232 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,920 and that it was a big adventure and all that kind of thing. 233 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,280 Whereas, (dog barking) 234 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:54,760 that's something that a lot of photographers 235 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,640 are very afraid to admit that they actually quite enjoy, 236 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,600 and get a big sort of thrill and buzz from it. 237 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,440 - Vietnam was an absolute, it was a marvellous place. 238 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,880 Not for the Vietnamese to be in the middle of it, 239 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,720 but in terms of war, what a great session. 240 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,240 One minute you're in a muddy foxhole 241 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,320 in the middle of Woop Woop being shot the shit of, 242 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,480 and the next minute you're back on a beach on a surfboard. 243 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,040 There was no compromise, it was all or nothing. 244 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,360 It was incredibly exciting and very fulfilling, 245 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:26,600 you're not empty. 246 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,440 It's not a boring life. 247 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,440 (gunfire) 248 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:36,240 You've still got fear, but you can press it back in. 249 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,560 Time becomes this elastic module. 250 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:44,280 You don't know if this incident, this part of the operation, 251 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,200 this part of the fight, this part of the battle, 252 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:51,280 has actually lasted seconds, minutes, or hours. 253 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,000 (intense music) 254 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,000 - After the first six months spent in Colombia, 255 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:02,320 I printed up some of the better images 256 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,200 and I decided to go to Perpignan in the south of France, 257 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,720 where there is an annual photojournalism festival 258 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,760 called Visa pour l'Image. 259 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,720 - It's like our equivalent of Cannes, for a journalist, 260 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,720 and everybody kind of gathers all the way around the world 261 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,400 and if you're on assignment and you're done, 262 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,240 we all just go there and we all just get drunk. 263 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,920 - And I walked into a bar and -- 264 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,040 - And it was early hours in the morning, 265 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:27,760 and I came across Jason. 266 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,120 - Somehow ended up in conversation with this 267 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,000 slightly inebriated Irishman 268 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,280 who turned out to be Seamus Conlin. 269 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,600 - He was just off his head and, 270 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:40,840 and he showed me his pictures, 271 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,760 and it was of the Colombia bombing. 272 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,600 And that was when I made the decision to actually, 273 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,080 actually be his agent. 274 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,880 And to represent him, because I knew he had something. 275 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,120 - After spending time with the FARC 276 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,040 and realising that I couldn't with a clear conscience 277 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,480 just document their side of the story, 278 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,480 because it would effectively end up 279 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,040 just being propaganda for them. 280 00:17:09,120 --> 00:17:10,800 The only things that I was really seeing with the FARC 281 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:12,880 were the things that they wanted me to see. 282 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,200 I wasn't seeing child soldiers, 283 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,880 I wasn't seeing the people that they were holding hostage 284 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:19,640 that they had kidnapped. 285 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:21,560 I wasn't seeing any direct involvement 286 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:23,440 between them and the cocaine trade. 287 00:17:24,360 --> 00:17:27,760 I was seeing to a large extent, 288 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,520 really, the public face of the FARC. 289 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:32,000 My next mission really was to get down 290 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,640 to try to meet the paramilitaries who 291 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:40,520 I had really thought were the bad guys in this whole story. 292 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:44,120 The FARC, I'd gone there with the idea 293 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,120 that they were these sort of romantic revolutionaries 294 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:47,760 fighting for the poor people, 295 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,320 but having narrowly missed getting blown to pieces 296 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:53,640 by one of their bombs, 297 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,240 and then seeing the terror on the faces of the civilians 298 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,800 that they claimed they're fighting for and supporting, 299 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:04,040 that really, those illusions crumbled pretty quickly. 300 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,120 So I set off to a different part of the county 301 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,880 sufficiently far away that I felt 302 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:11,960 there wouldn't be any crossover. 303 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:13,560 Now that was quite difficult, 304 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:14,880 because I had to go to villages 305 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:16,480 where people couldn't tell me clearly 306 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:17,840 whether the FARC were in control, 307 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:19,880 or the paramilitaries were in control. 308 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,080 So the technique that I found that worked 309 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,640 was to always travel on local transport. 310 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,160 And once you learned to communicate a bit, 311 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:27,760 people ask you what you're doing, 312 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,160 where you're going and, you know, 313 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,120 you can pick up bits of information. 314 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,080 But I was sitting next to this girl on the local bus. 315 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:35,320 She was very young, I don't, 316 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,760 can't really tell exactly how young she was. 317 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,120 Pretty face. 318 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,760 Pretty much ignoring me completely. 319 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,560 And as we were driving along 320 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,440 we started to approach a military checkpoint, 321 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,880 and I saw that she was kind of glancing around 322 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,600 and looking a little bit scared. 323 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,200 So I didn't want to actually point the camera at her 324 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,680 and take a picture so I just focused it on 325 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:00,800 a metre away, which is roughly how far she was, 326 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,400 preset the exposure, and so then I just clicked, 327 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,880 wound, clicked, wound, just made a few frames. 328 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,800 And once of them really sort of shows 329 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,560 this look of concern in her eyes. 330 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,560 And it's one of my favourite pictures 331 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,200 of how the conflict affects the civilians. 332 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,360 It was very important with this project on Colombia 333 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,400 to make sure that it didn't just become 334 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,160 a book of pictures of guys with guns. 335 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,400 Because whilst the weapons and the conflict 336 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,800 and the fighting and the fighters 337 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,640 are a very important ingredient, 338 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,400 the civilian population is also 339 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,680 crucial to telling this story. 340 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,160 (loud talking and music) 341 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,360 A huge amount of access and getting images 342 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,560 can just be about luck and timing. 343 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,240 And sometimes that's not because you've planned that 344 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:52,320 yourself, it's just you happen to be 345 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,240 in the right place at the right time. 346 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,640 I met Marylin whilst changing buses 347 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,480 in one of the small town en route to a town called Pitalito. 348 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,480 And we happened to get on the same bus 349 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,200 and were sitting next to each other. 350 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,280 My Spanish at this stage was very basic, 351 00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:11,320 but I managed to explain to her that I was a photographer 352 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,880 and that I had recently spent some time in the FARC zone, 353 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,040 and that the purpose of my trip south 354 00:20:16,120 --> 00:20:18,320 was to cover the other side of the conflict. 355 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,440 She explained that she knew people 356 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:22,640 who were in the paramilitaries, 357 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,120 and knew people who were in the military, 358 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,680 and that they would stop and buy sodas or beers 359 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,000 and that kind of thing from her father's roadside store. 360 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,320 And that she could kind of point me in the right direction 361 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,040 for meeting up with these people. 362 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,200 Right from the start she seemed to be 363 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:41,160 a very useful person to have met, useful contact. 364 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,200 She was young and she was attractive, 365 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:49,000 and I was young and naive and off on my big adventure. 366 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:52,080 When we first met, 367 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,240 the only reason that our relationship didn't 368 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:02,280 progress faster was the fact that she lived with her parents 369 00:21:02,360 --> 00:21:05,160 in a very basic house with paper thin walls, 370 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,840 and she shared her bed with her young daughter. 371 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:13,920 Which made making any kind of progress a little difficult. 372 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,640 So over the course of several visits, 373 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,560 whenever I went to see her, 374 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,200 our relationship was growing a little bit 375 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,040 in terms of friendship, and because my Spanish was improving 376 00:21:26,120 --> 00:21:27,760 so that we could communicate better. 377 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,360 - We were down in Putumayo in way southern Colombia, 378 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,280 which is one of the hottest zones, 379 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:35,280 I mean, it's nasty down there. 380 00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:37,360 There's a lot of extreme violence. 381 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,600 - We went out to her house the first time, 382 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,480 we drove out from the city. 383 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,000 - Swim in the river, had a very nice time with her family, 384 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,240 ate, kicked back, and that was all good. 385 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,720 - On one visit I asked her if it would make things easier 386 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,640 if I stayed at a hotel in the nearby town 387 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,400 so that she could come and stay with me, 388 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,360 and it was the next morning that she decided to 389 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:00,360 basically confess to me 390 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,360 that she not only knew the paramilitaries 391 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,440 but that she was actually an active participant 392 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:06,760 in the conflict. 393 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,480 - At that point we didn't really know to what extent. 394 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,880 'Cause so many people work for either the guerrilla 395 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,960 or the paramilitary, and in sometimes very innocuous roles. 396 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,560 They might just be messengers or they, you know, 397 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,120 they just listen and look, and report, 398 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,720 so, she could have been anything. 399 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,560 - When she elaborated on what she did, 400 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,440 which, in fact, turned out really that she had 401 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,680 migrated away from being a uniformed member 402 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,240 of the local branch of the paramilitaries 403 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:44,120 into working with an urban sell, 404 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,080 and her job was basically to eliminate people. 405 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,480 So she was effectively an assassin. 406 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,360 - I don't think the issue of ethical behaviour 407 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,800 or anything like that really entered into my head. 408 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,720 Any doubts that I may have had in my mind 409 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,800 about the situation were overridden, really, 410 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,920 by the excitement of being in the situation. 411 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,720 Because it was just playing out 412 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,400 really like some kind of movie. 413 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,920 (contemplative music) 414 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,720 I decided to ask her if I could 415 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,200 conduct an interview with her. 416 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,520 I had the feeling that this was a story 417 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,160 that she really wanted to tell, she was very keen, 418 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,680 and there was no withholding of any information. 419 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,760 - And in truth when I was listening to her 420 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,520 answering the questions, I couldn't actually understand 421 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:09,920 all of the finer points of it. 422 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,840 It wasn't until the interview was transcribed later 423 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,120 that I could actually 424 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,480 start to understand how little feeling she had 425 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,120 about the things that she had done, 426 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,320 how little regret there was. 427 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,720 - He became very conflicted about his feelings 428 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,800 and his relationship with her. 429 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,160 Because it had kind of slowly came to light 430 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,520 that she was not just a mere, you know, 431 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,400 oreja, you know, 432 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:44,040 a lookout, that she was an assassin, that she killed people. 433 00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:45,320 - In Colombia people get killed all the time. 434 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,760 In that town people were killed all the time, 435 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,680 and she's doing a lot of the killing. 436 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,080 - Now there were limits. 437 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,680 She told me that she had a target that she was looking for 438 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,200 that she was going to kill, 439 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,120 and she asked me if I wanted to 440 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,880 come along and photograph that. 441 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,240 I chose not to do that. 442 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,840 I felt that in some ways by me going along 443 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,560 and photographing her killing someone, 444 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,200 there would be two outcomes. 445 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,000 One, it would feel as though I was actually condoning 446 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,760 the murder by standing by and just photographing it 447 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,880 and not stopping it from happening, and also, 448 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,960 that was outside my personal envelope of acceptable risk, 449 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,120 so I chose not to do that. 450 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,520 And that's not a decision that I regret, I think, 451 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:16,160 that that whole situation is hard enough to deal with 452 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,120 retrospectively anyway, and if I had condoned in any way 453 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,840 what she was doing more actively, 454 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:28,280 then I would have more things to feel bad about, really. 455 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:35,000 - I think that Jason was really high on the whole romance 456 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,960 and danger and all that kind of thing of, like, 457 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,120 dating this chick. 458 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,120 Dating, yeah like they're going out to pizza and the movies. 459 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:49,200 Having a little affair with this woman who's definitely 460 00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:53,160 knee deep in some pretty nefarious shit. 461 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,520 I mean, 462 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,920 that's attractive to everybody, 463 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,960 that's why the story of Jason and Marylin 464 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,080 has been so popular, everybody's like, ooh, ahh. 465 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,120 It's so sexy, it's so dangerous, we love it. 466 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,680 And Jason loved it for that. 467 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,160 - One day she actually pointed the pistol at my face 468 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:12,560 and said, why aren't you scared of me, 469 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,920 aren't you scared that I will kill you? 470 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,240 I said to her no, I'm not scared, 471 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,000 I don't like being threatened, 472 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,280 but if someone offers you money to kill me, 473 00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:21,920 let me know, and I'll pay you double 474 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,320 to let me get to the airport. 475 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,640 And that kind of lightened the situation, 476 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,560 she laughed and put the gun down and, 477 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,120 the moment passed. 478 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,080 One evening Marylin came to the hotel 479 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,360 that we were all staying in for dinner. 480 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,840 - And our hotel happened to have this balcony 481 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,280 right in the centre of town, it's a small town. 482 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:44,960 - And just immediately, all the workers in the hotel, 483 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,960 they're like. (dramatic music) 484 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,400 - And our fixer was completely freaked out, 485 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,000 he was like, I cannot be seen, like, 486 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,760 I live here, I cannot be seen with her. 487 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,120 This is gonna put my life in jeopardy, 488 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,560 my family, everybody. 489 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,560 - So our feeling was like, well, 490 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,160 we'd just been compromised. 491 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:00,400 We gotta get out of town. 492 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:01,720 And Hector and I left. 493 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,720 - And Jason did not come with us, yeah. 494 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,360 (eerie music) 495 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,480 (yelling) 496 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,240 - Jason we had to throw him into somewhere immediately, 497 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,840 make it his beat. 498 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,800 And he had to learn really really quickly. 499 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,080 It's one thing if they're wanting to do it, 500 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,320 and actually having the talent, but, 501 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,120 the being thrown into a place, 502 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,600 the way you turn on the TV and everybody's, 503 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,400 it looks like everybody's dying every moment of the day, 504 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,480 it's kind of terrifying. 505 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,040 (car horns) 506 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,560 So we kicked him out the door and we equipped him, 507 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,080 and it was like, go on, just, do it. 508 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:47,680 - I arrived in a world, 509 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,240 in a war totally different from Colombia. 510 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,480 And one that I was really in no way prepared for. 511 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,440 (emotional music) 512 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,080 - I met Jason in Baghdad. 513 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,960 He was a bit different to the other journalists in Baghdad, 514 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,520 and he had not come from the same experiences. 515 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,240 Which meant that he didn't really know how to carry himself 516 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:22,960 in a place like Iraq. 517 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,280 (helicopter propellers) 518 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:26,440 - Hey Joe? - Yes, sir? 519 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:27,800 - [Man] Take that rug off. 520 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,200 - Freaking Jason ended up in the spider hole 521 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,240 on his first assignment, and he calling us, 522 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,400 and he didn't even know what to fucking do, 523 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,000 you know, he was like, holy shit, I'm an idiot. 524 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,440 - [Jason] My mind wasn't in sort of news gathering mode yet, 525 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,160 that wasn't the photographer I was, 526 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,400 I wasn't a news photographer. 527 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,040 They're seeing this crowd of people around this hole, 528 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:53,880 just bang bang bang bang bang bang bang, 529 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,560 shooting so many pictures and just, 530 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,400 looking like, it's a hole in the ground. 531 00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:59,320 - It's really a black hole, okay? 532 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:01,760 - Okay. - Okay. 533 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:02,720 - I was just wondering like, 534 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,920 how many different angles can you shoot 535 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,640 a hole in the ground from and make it interesting? 536 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,760 But then of course later on when I saw the work 537 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:10,840 from the other photographers I realised that 538 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,560 there were quite a few angles that they had done it from 539 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,720 that I hadn't. 540 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,320 It's amazing, you have to have your head in the right place 541 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,160 and you have to know what you're doing 542 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:20,720 and maximise the situation. 543 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,720 And this was so early on in that whole learning process 544 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,080 that whilst I got pictures published 545 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,520 and I was paid for them, 546 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,600 I didn't do a particularly thorough job on that occasion. 547 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,000 - It was very clear that whatever he'd been doing before, 548 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,880 he hadn't really been working for someone. 549 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,280 And he hadn't worked in a conservative environment like that 550 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,040 so I mean, he would just say wildly inappropriate things 551 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,080 and do wildly inappropriate things. 552 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,800 He would show pictures to our Iraqi drivers 553 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,920 of naked Colombian women, 554 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,880 and people snorting coke off them and things like that and, 555 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,760 and I just eventually took him aside and said, 556 00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,440 you know, sweetheart, 557 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,200 this is Iraq, it's not Colombia. 558 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,760 (yelling in foreign language) 559 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,440 - Pretty much one of the craziest moments 560 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,160 of the time spent in Iraq, 561 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,720 I was in the towns of Najaf and Kufa, 562 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,040 which were Muqtada al-Sadr's territory. 563 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,600 He was leading a group called the Mahdi Army. 564 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,400 The Mahdi Army were fighting the Americans 565 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,240 on the edge of town, they were hyped up, 566 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,240 they're waving their weapons, 567 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,640 they're firing their guns in the air. 568 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,880 And some of them are saying, you can't take pictures, 569 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,080 no pictures, no pictures. 570 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,240 Then another one will stand in front of you 571 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:42,280 and ask you to take a picture 572 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:43,360 and then someone else would come and hit you 573 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,320 with the butt of their Kalashnikov and push you out the way. 574 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,520 And at one moment I had four Mahdi Army fighters 575 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,280 with Kalashnikovs pointed at my chest saying, 576 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:53,360 are you British? 577 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,800 Knowing if I said I was British, 578 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,880 they would pull the trigger and that's that. 579 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,640 Are you American, nope, nope. 580 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:01,480 Where are you from, 581 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,760 so I said the first thing that came into my head 582 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,080 that seemed like a safe answer was that I was Irish. 583 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,800 And they're like, ah, Gerry Adams, very good man. 584 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,240 A moment later, surrounded by another group, 585 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,160 and this time the guy has a hand grenade, 586 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,720 he holds a grenade in my face with his finger in the ring, 587 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,400 and he starts the same questioning process. 588 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:19,880 They're all hyped up on adrenaline, 589 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,040 you're hyped up on adrenaline, 590 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,120 your heart is banging backwards and forwards 591 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,680 off the plate in your body armour. 592 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,880 They're quite happy to blow you up and all go to heaven 593 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,360 or wherever it is they think they're going, 594 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,360 and you have to kind of out-crazy the crazies. 595 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,080 So you sort of throw your hands up in the air and say 596 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:35,920 look, you know, I just told these guys all of this. 597 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,240 And they can't understand a word that you're saying, 598 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,320 but your attitude and your body language 599 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,240 somehow conveys something and they, 600 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,000 for some reason, they backed off. 601 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,760 (ominous music) 602 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,320 - He really got it and he really enjoyed it, 603 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,280 he enjoyed the moment. 604 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,560 Because it is about living the life, 605 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,720 and it's about being in the moment 606 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,360 and being party of history. 607 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,160 - When I was in Iraq I received an email from Marylin 608 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,640 saying that she felt that I was the only person 609 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,680 who could help her and that she did want to 610 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,600 get out of the situation that she was in, 611 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,960 but the paramilitaries, they don't allow people to leave, 612 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,200 because quite literally, 613 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:40,880 they know where the bodies are buried. 614 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,040 So someone like Marylin 615 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,280 would be privy to a lot of information, 616 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,440 and so her group were not really gonna 617 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,200 just let her walk away. 618 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,120 I don't recall exactly how I responded to her email but, 619 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,640 it wasn't in a particularly sympathetic manner, 620 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,640 and certainly I didn't come up with a solution 621 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,960 as to how to help her get out of her problem. 622 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,520 And that is a decision 623 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,200 that would possibly come back to haunt me, 624 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:12,520 later. 625 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,120 (explosion) 626 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,320 Pretty much every day there would be suicide bombs. 627 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,200 They were around about eight o'clock in the morning 628 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,840 and about five o'clock in the evening. 629 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,840 So those times became nicknamed bomb o'clock. 630 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,360 (explosion) 631 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,000 On the 18th of November, 2005, 632 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,040 I was woken up by a huge explosion 633 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,520 which blew the glass windows into my room. 634 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,480 I had no idea what it was, I had been sound asleep, 635 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,960 I woke up just to feel this freezing air 636 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,000 and to see that the window had been blown in. 637 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,720 And I lay there kind of semi sort of frozen in shock 638 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:58,000 on the bed, trying to sort of reboot my brain, 639 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,400 work out what had happened, and then there was another, 640 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,040 much, much bigger explosion 641 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,800 which ripped the aluminium window frames 642 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,680 away from the concrete, threw those across the room. 643 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,560 The door was blown off its hinges, the ceiling collapsed. 644 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,480 Pull on my jeans and boots, put on the body armour, 645 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,480 grab my money and passport 646 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,800 in case the insurgents were climbing over the wall 647 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,840 or we needed to climb over the other wall and escape. 648 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,000 And then get outside and start taking pictures. 649 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,760 But as I walked around the room, 650 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,360 really plucking up the courage 651 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,240 to go and put myself out into this inferno 652 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,480 that was kind of raging outside, 653 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,200 there was some sort of strange hesitation, 654 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:38,720 I was trying to find little distractions 655 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,640 to kind of delay that moment of truth. 656 00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:43,720 And I remember opening the fridge 657 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,960 to see whether my eggs had broken in the explosion, 658 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,480 and being bizarrely delighted 659 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,480 that they were all still in one piece. 660 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,800 Outside I could see burning cars, 661 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,480 smoke billowing everywhere, people screaming, 662 00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,280 people running around shooting. 663 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,200 The windows of every building for, you know, 664 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,000 a block in either direction had been destroyed. 665 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,080 There were dozens of cars on fire 666 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,280 where shrapnel had ripped into their fuel tanks 667 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:11,920 and exploded those. 668 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,000 And just all of these people 669 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,240 sort of wandering around in shock. 670 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,000 Their crime, 671 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,440 the reason that their lives had just been turned upside down 672 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,920 or destroyed was that they just happened to live 673 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,840 next to a hotel full of foreign journalists and contractors, 674 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,200 and that's who the insurgents wanted to kill. 675 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,160 And in my rush to get out there and take pictures, 676 00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:36,840 I decided to jump, 677 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,600 or let myself drop from the first floor balcony. 678 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,240 And so having survived these two massive explosions 679 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,640 which were later reported as being a 400 pound car bomb 680 00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:50,040 and then a one thousand pound truck bomb, 681 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,400 my injuries were sustained by dropping 682 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,120 from the first floor balcony into the rubble 683 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,680 and twisting both ankles and scraping my arm. 684 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,120 What was quite a strange experience 685 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,320 was watching the press corps 686 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,040 who were living in other parts of the city 687 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,680 arrive and start photographing this scene. 688 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,680 And suddenly it gave you a little insight 689 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,560 into how it is when you arrive at a scene 690 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,640 and someone's wandering around slightly dazed 691 00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:17,240 after a bomb attack on their house or something like that. 692 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,600 And a car pulls up and four people jump out and just, 693 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,560 they don't talk to them, they don't communicate with them, 694 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,120 they just run towards them and point the camera 695 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,000 in their face and start taking pictures. 696 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,200 It felt very strange, it was a, 697 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,720 a combination of feeling like the victim, 698 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,320 that this was my story, except that of course, 699 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,520 when it happened I'd immediately gone outside 700 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:42,960 and starting shooting pictures as well. 701 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,920 It was a very confusing incident, 702 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,360 and the feeling of surviving it, 703 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,480 the euphoria, is just incredible. 704 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,240 I got told off by one of my colleagues 705 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,120 because you have to stop smiling, 706 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,760 you're just walking around with this big grin on your face, 707 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,200 and people have died, 15 people were killed, 708 00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,120 40 were wounded. 709 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,160 And of course I wasn't doing it deliberately, 710 00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:02,680 it was just that, 711 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,320 I was so happy to be alive and to have survived this. 712 00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:11,400 One of the weirdest things ever to have 713 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,960 come out of covering suicide bombings 714 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,240 was the fact that you would nearly always find 715 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,600 the male suicide bomber's genitalia on the ground. 716 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,960 And apparently one of their preparations 717 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,200 for going and blowing themselves up 718 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,600 would be to pack their genitals in silver foil 719 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:29,880 so that it would be intact, 720 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,600 ready for going to heaven and the 72 virgins. 721 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,160 (muffled radio) 722 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,600 (explosion) 723 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,760 The far south of the country, Basra, 724 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,280 down towards the Kuwait border 725 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,040 was an area controlled by British forces. 726 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,400 And a small contingent of them also were based in Baghdad. 727 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,160 And the soldiers that I first met there 728 00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:58,360 were the Royal Irish Regiment, 729 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,320 and they were protecting the road called Route Irish. 730 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:02,880 Which was for a long time 731 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,600 labelled the most dangerous road in the world. 732 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,960 It's the road that ran from Baghdad Airport 733 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,280 into central Baghdad. 734 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,760 It was a road that normal cars would probably take 735 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,920 30, 40 minutes to drive along at normal speed. 736 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,000 The soldiers could do it in, something, 737 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,880 I seem to remember something like about 10 minutes. 738 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,760 It wasn't safe for them to drive any slower, or to stop. 739 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,200 The soldiers on top cover above 740 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,760 would be training their weapon on any flyovers 741 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,080 to make sure people weren't dropping grenades off. 742 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,120 Any vehicles that didn't get out of the way, 743 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,040 the first technique was to throw a water bottle, 744 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,680 so it slammed into the hood of the car 745 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,080 and gave the driver a bit of a shock. 746 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:44,360 'Cause he maybe he just hadn't seen you 747 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:45,560 or something like that. 748 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,400 Another thing with being able to spend quite a bit of time 749 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,000 with the soldiers that you then get to cover 750 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,400 all sorts of little parts of their lives. 751 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,320 It was quite interesting that a lot of the soldiers 752 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,200 obviously cover the walls in pornography. 753 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,400 Naked women is something 754 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,120 that helps to get them through the tour. 755 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,680 But you also saw young guys who had got their girlfriends 756 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,160 or wives pregnant on the last visit home, 757 00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:16,520 and the pictures that they had on the wall were of the scan, 758 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,280 or maybe they had a newborn baby and they had those pictures 759 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:20,680 and they'd go to sleep every night 760 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,160 looking at the pictures of their newborn child. 761 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,360 There is a cemetery in Baghdad 762 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,840 which is just for burying babies, 763 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,920 there were no adults buried there at all. 764 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,600 The situation during the war was that there's so much, 765 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,680 so much stress being put on the civilian population, 766 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,400 there's the suicide bombs, 767 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,480 there's kidnappings, assassinations. 768 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:51,520 Lots of women were losing their children during birth. 769 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,320 And another issue was that, to counteract the stress, 770 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,200 a lot of women were taking drugs 771 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,880 like Valium and diazepam and this kind of thing, 772 00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:00,920 so there are also a lot of children 773 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,280 being born with deformities. 774 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,400 So this was a very strange place to work, 775 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,560 to go to the cemetery, meet the cemetery workers, 776 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,000 and then basically wait for a family, 777 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,280 which it would happen every day several times a day, 778 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,960 normally the husband or perhaps a brother, 779 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,160 or someone like that, 780 00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:23,560 would bring a tiny corpse wrapped in white cloth. 781 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,280 The funeral workers would prepare the body 782 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,080 and bury it in a small grave. 783 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,560 It would be interesting in some ways 784 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,560 to go back to that cemetery and that would be, 785 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,000 an evidence of some of the impact 786 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,960 on the Iraqis of that, of that, 787 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,000 of that conflict, of that invasion and occupation. 788 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,760 - Carnage you can get somewhat accustomed to. 789 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,280 Suffering is more difficult, so, 790 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,800 if you see people suffering because they've been bereaved 791 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,200 by the carnage you've seen, that's very difficult. 792 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:57,400 Seeing children who've been killed 793 00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:58,960 is the one thing that gets everyone, 794 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,800 because I think that you have some, 795 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,160 there's some very very visceral human response 796 00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:07,560 that is, somehow I'm meant to protect children, 797 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:08,720 we are meant to protect children. 798 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,080 So seeing them harmed in any way 799 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,960 I think is absolutely soul-polluting. 800 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:15,880 I used to tell Jason he needed, 801 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,480 it didn't matter what he got, he needed to get out more. 802 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:19,960 'Cause as a freelancer he would go in 803 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,960 and he would stay much, much longer. 804 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,840 Staff correspondents would rotate in and out. 805 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,760 You would do sort of six or eight weeks. 806 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,920 But he was staying for months at a time. 807 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,000 I said no you need to get out 808 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,840 and just give your brain a break from this, 809 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,400 you cannot sit there day after day 810 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,200 with that threat hovering over you that way that it did. 811 00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:41,240 - I was taking a break from Iraq 812 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,400 where I had been almost solidly for six months, 813 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,440 and that I wanted to travel back down to Colombia 814 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,960 and see if I could find out what happened to Marylin. 815 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,480 So I flew back down to Puerto Asis. 816 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,240 I checked into the same hotel 817 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,080 that Marylin and I had spend our first night together, 818 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,120 and I stood in the bathroom looking in the mirror and 819 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,680 started thinking about the reality 820 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,720 of what I was now going to face. 821 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:07,800 Thinking well, there's two things, 822 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,480 either I'm gonna arrive at that house 823 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,800 and as I have done in the past, 824 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,400 her daughter will come running out 825 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,760 and leap onto my back and want to have a shoulder ride, 826 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,960 and Marylin will come out and smile, 827 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,640 and she will tell me about what's going on here in Putumayo. 828 00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:26,080 And I will tell her about life in Iraq. 829 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,640 And things will be basically exactly the same 830 00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:31,320 as the last time I was here. 831 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,080 When I got there, her father came out, 832 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,360 and he was very surprised to see me. 833 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,080 And his eyes kind of started to fill with tears 834 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:45,760 a little bit and he said, 835 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,520 I guess you know what happened to the girl. 836 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,080 And he told me that she had died, 837 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:52,720 he didn't actually say that she had been killed, 838 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,560 he said that she died, it happened six months before, 839 00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,440 and that she was buried in the local cemetery. 840 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,120 And so I asked if I could go with her daughter 841 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,080 and her mother the next day 842 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,360 to put some flowers on the grave. 843 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,400 I did feel really sorry for her daughter who, 844 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,280 in reality, is the real victim in all of this, 845 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,720 her mother made choices to do things 846 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,600 and died as a consequence of her choices. 847 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,640 Whereas her daughter is completely blameless 848 00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:26,880 in the whole situation. 849 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,920 The reason that it was explained to me 850 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,360 that Marylin had been killed 851 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,920 was because she had been accused of being an informer, 852 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,000 and the paramilitaries had stoned her to death, 853 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:41,920 they had crushed her head with rocks. 854 00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:46,360 And then they had shot her. 855 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,320 And the reason for killing her in this manner was that, 856 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,720 in Colombian Spanish, the word for informer is sapo, 857 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:57,720 as in frog. 858 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,520 And the way to kill a frog is to stone it to death, 859 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:02,320 to throw rocks at it. 860 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:03,880 And so they had killed her 861 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,000 in this kind of ritualistic manner 862 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,720 as a warning to other potential informers. 863 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,520 Marylin's story became really the thread 864 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,200 to my Colombia project, it gave it some, 865 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,120 some theme and some purpose. 866 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,120 Instead of just being a lot of random images 867 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,600 from different sides of the conflict, 868 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,280 she really defined the conflict for me. 869 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,240 Very much like Colombia itself, 870 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,280 a place of beauty with lots of resources, 871 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,600 that is just trapped in a cycle 872 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,920 of self-destruction, basically. 873 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,000 (footsteps) 874 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,680 - I've spoken to Jason quite a bit 875 00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,520 about his imbed in Afghanistan when the British soldier 876 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,200 was injured with the IED. 877 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:17,880 - [Friend] Primarily it first started out 878 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,520 as an ethical conversation about, 879 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,360 jeez, I don't know what to do with these pictures, 880 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,320 they're really important, but, you know, 881 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,160 I've gotta clear it with the kid's family, 882 00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:30,720 I gotta really think hard about this. 883 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,280 And I was really pleased by that whole conversation 884 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:34,960 because I'll tell you right now, 885 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,960 majority of the photographers out there, 886 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,240 they'd just like, I don't know, 887 00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,520 it's all about me, me and my pictures. 888 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,720 They'll say it's about the importance of the whole story, 889 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,040 but it's really about them. 890 00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,360 - And that was definitely a sign of maturity in Jason. 891 00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,400 In the past I think that he would, 892 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,000 he would've made that same argument about, 893 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,360 you know, it's for the greater good. 894 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,160 Which I just find kind of absurd. 895 00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:06,960 I understand it a little bit, but, 896 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,600 ego trumps that shit almost every time. 897 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,240 - I received an email from the MoD 898 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,560 saying that Steve's recovery is going very well, 899 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:28,720 and we are at a stage 900 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,840 where we might be able to move forward with this. 901 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,160 So we arrived Headley Court, 902 00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:37,680 and were met by a sort of MoD representative, 903 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,320 and we went in to see Stephen. 904 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,360 Absolutely amazing experience, 905 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,560 I hadn't seen him for basically five months. 906 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,520 Here he was wheeling himself around in a wheelchair, 907 00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,560 he was smiling, he was happy, he looked well. 908 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:51,920 I showed Stephen all of the pictures, 909 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,680 we looked through them, and he was fascinated, 910 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,520 he was fascinated to see the damage to his legs, 911 00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:57,840 and he was pointing at this, and he's, 912 00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:58,680 ah, yeah, I remember that. 913 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,760 He did remember getting dropped on the stretcher twice. 914 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,000 He was basically conscious all the way 915 00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,560 from the blast happening until the helicopter. 916 00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,000 (helicopter propellers) 917 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:13,440 The first thing I asked him is 918 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,680 whether he had any thoughts or concerns 919 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,640 about the whole process that we were going through, 920 00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:20,120 about these images, about what I might do with them, 921 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,800 whether he had concerns about the article I might write. 922 00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,360 So he basically said that he had no concerns, 923 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,120 he felt that he was gonna be happy for them to be published, 924 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,080 he liked the idea of the story be told and so on. 925 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,960 My whole spirit, everything, were lifted. 926 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,520 All this nervousness that I'd had about 927 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,080 whether he would approve them or not, 928 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:40,960 obviously all completely evaporated. 929 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,360 - I think that Jason makes an incredible point 930 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,480 in going back and seeing the guy who's lost both his legs, 931 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,520 and he's okay with it. 932 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:51,760 That says the whole thing, 933 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,600 because it actually says something about walking wounded. 934 00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,400 It says something about the tenacity of mankind. 935 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,520 - One of the most poignant moments 936 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:07,600 during that day in Helmand was when the helicopter took off 937 00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,480 carrying Stephen to the hospital, 938 00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,360 and we got into a safe compound. 939 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,000 And the soldiers came over and were shaking my hand 940 00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:20,560 and thanking me for helping to carry the stretcher. 941 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,400 And one of them said that he never thought 942 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:25,560 he'd see a journalist do that, 943 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,520 and I thought it was so, so sad 944 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,480 that this is the impression that these men have 945 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,560 of journalists and the media, that they're only there 946 00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,800 to take something away and not to contribute something. 947 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,720 That they're kind of a bit like a pack of vultures 948 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,920 waiting for something unfortunate to happen. 949 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,320 And that, I felt quite proud, really. 950 00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,560 (screaming) 951 00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,440 (yelling in foreign language) 952 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,000 (screaming) 953 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,200 Conflict is very often a lot of ordinary people 954 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,800 put into very extraordinary situations. 955 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:23,040 In the summer of 2006 the war in Lebanon broke out. 956 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,320 (yelling in foreign language) 957 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,560 - There were hundreds of photographers and journalists. 958 00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,520 So I arrived at one place and you could see five or six 959 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,480 TV crews all with a TV anchor doing a live broadcast. 960 00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:17,880 - It attracted an awful lot of very green freelancers 961 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,320 who really didn't know how to conduct themselves. 962 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,800 - More and more young people are going out to do this job, 963 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,880 and they're being encouraged by the journalism schools. 964 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:29,640 And there's no job! 965 00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:31,400 There's no job. 966 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:32,520 So... 967 00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,600 It's gonna push all the young photographers 968 00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,840 beyond the pale of acceptable conduct. 969 00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,120 - Some of these things do actually 970 00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,440 turn into a big fricking circus. 971 00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,600 - There would be five or six carloads of journalists 972 00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,600 screeching through the streets, and others running, 973 00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,800 and an ambulance would stop and there would be perhaps 974 00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,920 20 photographers crowding around the back door 975 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,800 and you saw local Red Cross ambulance drivers 976 00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,040 pleading with the photographers to move back 977 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,360 because they weren't giving them enough space 978 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,880 to get their injured person out of the ambulance. 979 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,240 - I've come this close to just beating people 980 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,320 within an inch of their life for just being so, 981 00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,200 either rude to me, or rude to the subject matter. 982 00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:15,760 Like, Jesus Christ, man. 983 00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:17,720 Step back. 984 00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,000 Give these people some room, you know? 985 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,720 - And woe betide you if you weren't concentrating 986 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,800 rather on your subject but on keeping out of the way 987 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,680 of everyone else, you'd be shouted at in, 988 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,200 you know, eight different languages 989 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,800 to get your elbow out of someone's picture. 990 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:52,040 And it was an incredible sort of level of aggression, 991 00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:53,480 and competition. 992 00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,080 I left my cameras on the ground once. 993 00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:57,640 I thought someone was watching them for me, 994 00:52:57,720 --> 00:52:58,960 I came back and found that 995 00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:00,480 someone had fiddled with the controls 996 00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,800 and dialled the exposure compensation to plus three, 997 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,720 so the next time I took some pictures they were ruined. 998 00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,880 (sighs) 999 00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:13,480 - I don't know what I'd do if I was young 1000 00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,720 and I had to fight with inside the business to survive. 1001 00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,760 - And there's a certain kind of respect 1002 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,120 that the photojournalists have, 1003 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,480 that when they go out they are going there 1004 00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,880 actually report on the people, try to do some good. 1005 00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:36,760 And then there are other people who go there who just, 1006 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,640 out there for the bang bang, you know, 1007 00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:40,760 it becomes the war porn. 1008 00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,880 - Photojournalism has changed hugely over the years 1009 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,440 that I had either been trying to become a photojournalist, 1010 00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,120 or actively working as one. 1011 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:56,200 The whole myth, the whole kind of romantic image, 1012 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,520 sort of purpose, 1013 00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,880 has changed a lot and been very diluted. 1014 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,520 So, it's become really sort of 1015 00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,840 paparazzi for the dead and dying, 1016 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,080 which kind of just leaves 1017 00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:10,920 a pretty nasty taste in your mouth. 1018 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,480 The situation in Lebanon kind of traumatised me 1019 00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:20,280 quite a lot, and I was disgusted with the way 1020 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,480 that I'd seen the media working there, 1021 00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,320 and thinking I don't want to be a news photographer, 1022 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,000 I don't want to be involved in this industry. 1023 00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:28,800 I certainly don't like who I've become 1024 00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,000 and I don't want to become 1025 00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,520 anywhere near as bad as that either. 1026 00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,200 So I thought I'd pretty much given up. 1027 00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,760 But my brother who's a British soldier 1028 00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,160 was deployed to southern Afghanistan to Helmand province 1029 00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:42,920 in April 2007. 1030 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,880 And I decided to have one last ditch attempt 1031 00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,120 at going to the front line and taking pictures in combat. 1032 00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:53,400 And it was kind of a, almost literally a killer cure. 1033 00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:54,880 I'll either get there and it'll totally break me 1034 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,640 and I know that's the end, or I'll be back on form, 1035 00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:01,480 I'll make good pictures, I'll earn money, 1036 00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,240 and I'll realise this is what I want to be doing. 1037 00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,520 I pitched an idea to a British magazine called Arena 1038 00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,600 to do a story on two brothers on the front line, 1039 00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,920 one is photographer, one is a soldier. 1040 00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,560 And they jumped at the idea. 1041 00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,000 In order to get the airfare, 1042 00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,800 I sold my last remaining Leica, 1043 00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,200 the camera that I'd shot all the pictures in Colombia, 1044 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:23,960 I was very attached to it. 1045 00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,560 But I was more attached to getting my head sorted 1046 00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:27,840 and moving forward. 1047 00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,120 - Listen, don't mention the war, I mentioned it once, 1048 00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:36,800 but I think I got away with it all right. 1049 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:37,960 (laughter) So! 1050 00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:39,120 It's all forgotten now -- 1051 00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,120 - We sat there one night watching Faulty Towers 1052 00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,040 on his portable DVD player 1053 00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:45,600 when the Taliban decided to fire 1054 00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,480 a 105 millimetre Chinese rocket at us 1055 00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,200 which hit the building next to us and exploded. 1056 00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:51,920 So we sort of glanced at each other, 1057 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:53,480 pressed pause on the DVD player, 1058 00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,480 put our body armour and helmets on and, 1059 00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,600 after saying, don't mention the war, 1060 00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,400 the classic Faulty Towers line, we resumed play. 1061 00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,400 On another patrol, I was crouching down behind a wall 1062 00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,280 with my brother and suddenly I saw the ANA, 1063 00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,800 the Afghan National Army RPG gunner 1064 00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,440 get up and run across a piece of open ground, 1065 00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,040 maybe 50 metres or so. 1066 00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,360 The Taliban are down here firing this way, 1067 00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,480 the British soldiers are on a rooftop firing this way. 1068 00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,200 So I looked at my brother and said, what do you think? 1069 00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:24,600 Do you think I can make it over there? 1070 00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,120 And he's like, pfft, 1071 00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,360 you can go if you like, I'm staying put. 1072 00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,160 And I, okay, I really, really want this picture. 1073 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,560 So I sort of psyched myself up, got ready, 1074 00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,800 and sprinted across all this rubble 1075 00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,280 trying to sort of weave a bit and all this kind of thing. 1076 00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:42,200 And get down there, the guy lifts up the RPG, 1077 00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,040 click, click, click. 1078 00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,840 On the next one the RPG fires. (explosion) 1079 00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,160 There's only one shot that captures that split second. 1080 00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,200 (intense music) 1081 00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:05,280 - I think in Afghanistan, 1082 00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:11,680 Jason had set himself this impossible quest. 1083 00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:17,680 To take the perfect image which defined the war. 1084 00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,360 - We were based in a patrol base called Patrol Base One. 1085 00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,560 Jason come out to be embedded with us 1086 00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,920 in around July, August time. 1087 00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:35,000 Summer tour, which are always renowned to be move violent 1088 00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,840 and more extreme than winter tours. 1089 00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,360 You could say that the summer tours 1090 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,960 were the start of fighting season. 1091 00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,680 (rapid gunfire) 1092 00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,560 (continuous gunfire) 1093 00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,360 (explosion) 1094 00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,240 - [Male] Fucking Hell. 1095 00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,880 - Why he'd want to come out to our compound, 1096 00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,720 to our patrol base, at that time, I don't know. 1097 00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:11,560 - Jason's an extraordinary character. 1098 00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:15,160 He would relish having as much equipment 1099 00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:16,840 as he possibly could. 1100 00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,440 Extra pockets, zips, flaps, body armour, a helmet, 1101 00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:24,240 you name it, if there was a gadget that Jason could carry, 1102 00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,080 the chances are he'd have it. 1103 00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:27,960 - He turned up, right, and when I first seen him, 1104 00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:28,920 and he was stood there, 1105 00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,720 he had like an American special forces helmet on, 1106 00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,880 and a chest rig with ammo pouches on the front. 1107 00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,680 But him ammo pouches didn't have ammunition in, 1108 00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,680 and he wasn't carrying a rifle, 1109 00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:44,400 he was carrying lenses and various camera equipment. 1110 00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:50,200 - When we were embedded with soldiers in Afghanistan, 1111 00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,960 I think Jason always felt a very strong affinity 1112 00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,400 with the troops, partly because his brother's a soldier, 1113 00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,120 partly because he's spent a lot of time with the soldiers. 1114 00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,040 He also operated with a sense of admiration 1115 00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:02,120 for what they did. 1116 00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:06,520 (chuckling) 1117 00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,280 - I get paid one way or the other so I don't mind. 1118 00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,160 Mine's for specific -- 1119 00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,800 - I got chatting to Jason when he was in the patrol base. 1120 00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,720 He was a interesting character to say the least. 1121 00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,080 A couple of the other freelancers that were with him said, 1122 00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,520 were sort of nudging him and saying he's fucking nuts. 1123 00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,000 (metal detector) 1124 00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:32,800 Jason was keep to get out on the patrols with the company 1125 00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,680 and get out on the ground. 1126 00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,680 He accompanied a few patrols out 1127 00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,680 when they were maneuvering through the AD clearance 1128 00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,680 going on at the south of the patrol base. 1129 00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,200 (clanging) 1130 00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:55,280 - Fire! 1131 00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,720 (explosion) 1132 01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:09,640 - I don't think the public fully understand 1133 01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,840 the severity of conflict because they're, 1134 01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,240 it's hidden from them. 1135 01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:22,120 They only get certain bits and pieces 1136 01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,200 via mainstream media. 1137 01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:29,040 They're not exposed to the full severity of conflicts 1138 01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,080 and what it involves. 1139 01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,200 (popping) 1140 01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,440 (yelling) - Shot! 1141 01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:36,840 - Man down! - You all right? 1142 01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:38,160 - Man down! - Man down! 1143 01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,600 - Man down! - Man down! 1144 01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:42,240 - [Soldier] Medic, get a medic! 1145 01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,760 - [Soldier] It's not me, mate, it's not me! 1146 01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:51,360 - It's vital, 1147 01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:55,400 if the general public are funding the armed forces, 1148 01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,720 that we do find out what happens to our guys on the ground. 1149 01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,800 And in this case, this is completely unique. 1150 01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,120 We've never been able to before tell a story 1151 01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:09,680 of a soldier sustaining serious injury 1152 01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:13,800 and also going through the rehabilitation process. 1153 01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:18,240 - In the final stages of the attempts to 1154 01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,040 get authorization from the MoD for the pictures, 1155 01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,520 the emails I received from them 1156 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,040 stated that the pictures, 1157 01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,280 that the pictures of Stephen on the ground, 1158 01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,920 injured, had not been cleared, 1159 01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,720 and that they did not intend to clear them. 1160 01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,240 - I'm really keen not to give anyone an excuse 1161 01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,240 to just impose their personal feeling 1162 01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,840 on the picture not being used, and I, 1163 01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,400 as long as the pictures are not going to upset the casualty, 1164 01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:57,720 which we've determined they're not, 1165 01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,200 and they're not going to put anyone in danger, 1166 01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,560 I'm not sure what the other issue is 1167 01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,400 that can be imposed on this. 1168 01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,600 One thing that was mentioned during the phone conversation 1169 01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,640 was that in fact it was the policy 1170 01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:12,640 of the Ministry of Defence 1171 01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,440 to not allow the publication of images 1172 01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,120 that show injuries to soldiers. 1173 01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,160 He told me that the last time that such images 1174 01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:22,360 had been published would've been about 30 years ago 1175 01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,560 during the Falkland's conflict, 1176 01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,960 and that basically the Ministry of Defence 1177 01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:28,680 would be pretty upset 1178 01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,080 if the pictures that we used were graphic. 1179 01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:34,040 - British Ministry of Defence 1180 01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,440 hides behind the argument of privacy 1181 01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,720 in order to prevent British newspapers 1182 01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:42,280 and British journalists for any newspaper, 1183 01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:46,720 any journalist from publishing pictures of wounded soldiers 1184 01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:50,600 because they argue that it's the soldier's right to privacy. 1185 01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,000 - And the argument at this stage, 1186 01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:58,080 since we now had the, we had Stephen's approval to do that, 1187 01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,720 was that it wasn't his decision to make. 1188 01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,840 So initially the argument was that 1189 01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:07,000 they were protecting patient confidentiality, 1190 01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:11,360 and now because the patient had decided and signed a release 1191 01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,480 stipulating that he was prepared 1192 01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:16,120 to give up that confidentiality, 1193 01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:20,800 then the reasons for not publishing the pictures 1194 01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,440 was changed. 1195 01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:27,360 - The editor's concern is for the -- 1196 01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,080 - Soldier? - The casualty, the soldier. 1197 01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:29,920 - Right. 1198 01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:30,840 - And for the readers. - Yeah. 1199 01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:32,360 - I mean, he said that? 1200 01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:33,160 - Yeah. 1201 01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:34,840 - Okay, I mean, I have the signed release in my bag, 1202 01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,160 so he can be assured that the casualty's happy. 1203 01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,400 - So he's absolutely good to go. 1204 01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,040 (ominous music) 1205 01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,640 - Just because they tell me that they have a policy, 1206 01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,840 that doesn't mean I'm going to accept it or agree with it. 1207 01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:00,480 I do not work for the Ministry of Defence, 1208 01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:01,640 I do not work for the government, 1209 01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:06,600 my job is not just to show the good side of things 1210 01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,360 and the side that they want to be shown, 1211 01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,600 it is to show the reality of it. 1212 01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,480 And that sometimes is messy. 1213 01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,640 - What the MoD, the DOD, whoever the fuck they are, 1214 01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:21,560 Pentagon, 1215 01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:24,240 doesn't want, 1216 01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:30,680 they don't want war to be unappetizing. 1217 01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,200 It's got to remain good, 1218 01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:36,520 because otherwise you can't get people to join up anymore, 1219 01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:38,000 there's no more draught. 1220 01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:39,920 - Several months later, 1221 01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:44,240 I received a request from The Telegraph 1222 01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,600 to return to Afghanistan 1223 01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:50,760 to go on another embed with Thomas Harding, 1224 01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:52,720 the defence correspondent. 1225 01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,480 - And pretty close to the last minute, 1226 01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:58,000 the MoD said no, you can't take that photographer with you, 1227 01:04:58,080 --> 01:04:59,440 you can't take Jason, you can take any other photographer, 1228 01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:00,840 but apart from him. 1229 01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:07,720 - Which would seem to rather conflict with the assurance 1230 01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:10,920 that their senior representative 1231 01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,080 had previously sent me in writing 1232 01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:15,920 that there would be, 1233 01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,360 that publishing those images would have no negative effect 1234 01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:21,440 on my future embed requests. 1235 01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:27,080 - And if a journalist dares to try and report information 1236 01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,560 from the front line which the Ministry of Defence 1237 01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:32,520 is uncomfortable with, in a number of cases, 1238 01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:34,560 effectively blacklisted journalists. 1239 01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,720 - Jason was banned from going to Afghanistan by the MoD 1240 01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,360 which was, for a person who's a great war photographer, 1241 01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,080 quite a blow, I think. 1242 01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:52,400 - The truth is is that the British Ministry of Defence 1243 01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:56,040 did not want the British public to see pictures 1244 01:05:56,160 --> 01:06:00,480 of British soldiers being wounded or killed in Afghanistan. 1245 01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:04,560 And therefore they used the agreements they had in place, 1246 01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,880 and I'd say they abused the agreements they had in place 1247 01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:11,080 to make sure those pictures rarely, if ever, got published. 1248 01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:14,160 - It's a tribute to Jason, 1249 01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,480 and it's a tribute to Private Bainbridge, 1250 01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:19,920 and it's a tribute to the soldiers that helped both of them, 1251 01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,480 that those images did eventually come out. 1252 01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:27,000 - I didn't compromise any journalistic integrity, 1253 01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:31,200 and I didn't allow the work to be censored. 1254 01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,920 And I didn't let down any of the soldiers 1255 01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:38,760 whose story I swore I would tell. 1256 01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,000 When I was there on the ground with them, 1257 01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:45,360 I promised them that I would get that story published. 1258 01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,520 And that's what I did. 1259 01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:01,480 - Without a doubt, war photography is an addiction. 1260 01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,720 What really matters is how you manage that addiction. 1261 01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,280 There's definitely two faces to Jason. 1262 01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,320 When he's on the job, he's very serious, 1263 01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,760 very hardworking, he's no bullshit. 1264 01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:21,640 When he's not on the job, he's kind of a clown. 1265 01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:23,120 Which I love about him. 1266 01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:26,480 I love the fact that he can put on both of those hats 1267 01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,320 and not have to carry this whole persona 1268 01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,280 as a war photographer, although he does. 1269 01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:33,920 Don't get me wrong. 1270 01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:35,520 - Why did this big fat dude come here? 1271 01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:37,000 - [Woman] We need to have a toast. 1272 01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:39,360 - [Man] Stop fiddling with your cellphone watching poetry. 1273 01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,000 - [Eros] I'd go anywhere with Jason 1274 01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:42,640 except to a cocktail party. 1275 01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:47,600 (laughing) 1276 01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:53,880 - The thing is though I was like so completely off my face 1277 01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:54,720 that I was thinking -- 1278 01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:56,680 - The survivor's euphoria is great. 1279 01:07:57,960 --> 01:07:59,320 Until it's not. 1280 01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:01,760 But decompressing. 1281 01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:08,520 Drugs and alcohol is the obvious one. 1282 01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,800 (discordant music) 1283 01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,080 - I think perhaps as much of a thrill seeker 1284 01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:20,000 in his private life as he is in his profession life, 1285 01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:24,680 as a photographer, his social life was often as fast paced, 1286 01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,400 and some would even say as dangerous 1287 01:08:27,480 --> 01:08:29,560 or as risky as his professional life. 1288 01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,600 - I told him this many times, I said, 1289 01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:33,640 you're safer in Afghanistan being shot at 1290 01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:35,240 than you are here in Bangkok 1291 01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:37,320 because of the way you're behaving here. 1292 01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,080 - We've decided it's better to leave on a high note, 1293 01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,400 so, let's go and get high. 1294 01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:47,000 Or drunk as the case may be. 1295 01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:48,680 Just in case Mum's watching. 1296 01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:54,640 - He'd drink everything, he'd fuck everything, 1297 01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:56,440 he'd snort everything and then he'd just wake up 1298 01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:58,720 like an angry bear and then he'd just do it all over again, 1299 01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,840 I mean it was just insane, and I would tell him, 1300 01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:02,680 you cannot keep doing this to yourself, 1301 01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:04,000 it's just out of control. 1302 01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:07,920 - As has happened in the past 1303 01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:10,000 when I've bene in places like Thailand 1304 01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:11,400 and I've been partying too hard 1305 01:09:11,480 --> 01:09:12,720 and I've looked in the mirror and thought, 1306 01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,120 if I keep on like this, 1307 01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,040 my friend Roger Arnold is probably gonna be 1308 01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:20,160 coming around and identifying my corpse next week. 1309 01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:24,320 So it's time to call the airline, change that flight, 1310 01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:27,920 and get back to that wonderful detox zone, Afghanistan. 1311 01:09:30,440 --> 01:09:33,600 (contemplative music) 1312 01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:37,320 Because of the teachings of the Jehovah's Witness' 1313 01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:39,920 I was brought up to have no fear of death, 1314 01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:44,200 and that's one thing that I am actually really grateful for. 1315 01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:46,800 Whilst I would, 1316 01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,800 obviously I'm concerned about getting seriously injured 1317 01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:51,720 and having to live with a disability 1318 01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,720 or missing limbs or something like that, 1319 01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:59,800 the idea that when I'm dead, that's it, it's the end, 1320 01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:02,720 which is quite liberating. 1321 01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:04,720 I can't imagine what it would be like to be a Catholic 1322 01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:06,480 and be worrying that perhaps 1323 01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:09,640 I'm gonna have to somehow pay for all of these mistakes 1324 01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:12,160 that I've made and all of the bad behaviour 1325 01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,000 over the last however many years. 1326 01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:18,160 And it just makes me think, well, 1327 01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:21,440 should be enjoying every moment up until 1328 01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:23,240 the moment that the lights go out. 1329 01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,200 (sinister music) 1330 01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:31,080 Karen Woo was a good friend of Jason's, she was a doctor. 1331 01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:34,960 - Who gave up a very good job in the UK 1332 01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:38,400 to go out to Afghanistan and work as a volunteer 1333 01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:40,640 to set up a sort of medical camp 1334 01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,160 in the mountains of Nuristan to help out the locals 1335 01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:46,720 who had no access to medical facilities. 1336 01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:51,000 She was one of these people that lights any place 1337 01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,800 and any situation up with her personality. 1338 01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:57,640 But the problem with living in a place like Afghanistan 1339 01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:01,640 and with being involved in a profession like this one 1340 01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,320 is that there's always bad news. 1341 01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:08,800 - She was murdered in northeastern Afghanistan 1342 01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:12,920 by the Taliban, and that really broke Jason up. 1343 01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,640 - However on the evening of that day 1344 01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:17,920 that the news had come in. 1345 01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,800 - We were having a small party at his rented house in Kabul. 1346 01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,840 - Induced by a fair amount of alcohol 1347 01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:28,760 I basically had a bit of a meltdown 1348 01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:30,840 and ended up kind of sobbing, 1349 01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:32,440 and I remember Eros putting his arms around me 1350 01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:34,880 and telling me that he knew, he knew about loss, 1351 01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:36,520 he knew how I felt. 1352 01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:37,880 - And Jason's just like, 1353 01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:39,960 losing it, and he just broke down 1354 01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,800 and just started weeping in my lap. 1355 01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:46,080 He was just like, like a child all of a sudden. 1356 01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:51,160 - This is how kind of the grief and emotions come out, 1357 01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:52,520 they don't, 1358 01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:56,920 they don't come out in the moment of receiving the news, 1359 01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,000 because there is an element of shock, 1360 01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:01,600 or an element of having really just 1361 01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:04,920 learned how to control your emotions, 1362 01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,240 because you are consistently witnessing 1363 01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:09,760 negative and traumatic things. 1364 01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,840 - It was just the beginning of, 1365 01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:17,680 the end, let's say, of a stage of Jason's life 1366 01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:21,160 where he was really beginning to understand 1367 01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:26,240 that he's got to, he's gotta make some changes 1368 01:12:27,440 --> 01:12:32,440 if he is to keep any kind of content, happy future. 1369 01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:38,120 Oh, there's no doubt about it 1370 01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:41,040 that Jason suffers from post-traumatic stress. 1371 01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:44,400 Without a doubt, and I know that because I suffer from it. 1372 01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:48,160 I see it so easily, in him, and many people. 1373 01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:50,240 The post-traumatic stress is deeply rooted. 1374 01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:54,720 It comes from before the war photography. 1375 01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:59,800 - I think the subjects he's chosen to get involved with 1376 01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:04,360 have overtaken him, overcome him. 1377 01:13:05,440 --> 01:13:07,680 (crickets) 1378 01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:26,600 - Being exposed to so much trauma in our adult lives 1379 01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:30,560 has just intensified it all, and brought it up in, 1380 01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:32,840 and maybe it's a really good thing 1381 01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:34,320 because it's brought it up in a way 1382 01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:36,400 that it's easily identifiable now. 1383 01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,440 (sombre music) 1384 01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:45,680 - How could he not be suffering from PTSD? 1385 01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:49,640 I mean I think, he would not be human if he wasn't. 1386 01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,160 And he's pretty human, he's extra human. 1387 01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:57,840 - Going to conflict areas and hostile environments 1388 01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,640 and witnessing high levels of trauma, 1389 01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:04,560 you're not gonna come back the same person, 1390 01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:05,960 and that's a fucking fact. 1391 01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:12,960 - Despite all his bravado and war stuff, 1392 01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:14,160 he's a pretty sensitive guy. 1393 01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:16,440 I think he takes things pretty hard, too, sometimes, 1394 01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:18,240 and I think the stuff that he's seen 1395 01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,240 and things have happened to him in other wars, 1396 01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:22,440 and he's had some close calls, I think it's, 1397 01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:24,720 I think it's had a pretty heavy toll on him. 1398 01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:29,320 (unnerving music) 1399 01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:38,280 - The damage done... 1400 01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:43,520 Distracts you from a lot of purpose. 1401 01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:46,680 It, 1402 01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:53,040 makes you look for strange escape routes. 1403 01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:59,000 - You can run from your demons until you're exhausted, 1404 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,240 but one day you'll have to stop 1405 01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:02,800 and find out what they wanted. 1406 01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,120 So the only option for me really 1407 01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:07,160 was a complete lifestyle change. 1408 01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:12,840 Probably for many years I've been running from 1409 01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:14,320 one set of demons or another, 1410 01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:17,240 and quite often the next situation that you're in 1411 01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:20,240 just creates a whole load of new demons. 1412 01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:23,560 But the key really to winning any fight 1413 01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:26,200 is choosing the battleground. 1414 01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:28,840 So this is one of the main motivations 1415 01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:30,520 for moving to Andalusia, 1416 01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:33,960 so that I could pick and choose the time and place 1417 01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:35,280 when I would deal with these demons, 1418 01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:38,160 as opposed to trying to deal with them 1419 01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:40,320 in a war zone or something like that. 1420 01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:41,760 Or, 1421 01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,000 maybe in the sort of, 1422 01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:47,440 cycle of ways I'd had of dealing with things. 1423 01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,360 Maybe going to Thailand for three months a year 1424 01:15:50,440 --> 01:15:52,520 and just drinking and partying and so on, 1425 01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:55,560 and trying to get some sort of, 1426 01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:57,600 well I thought trying to get some kind of head space 1427 01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:00,040 from dealing with the problems of the war zones. 1428 01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:01,080 But of course just creating 1429 01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:03,600 a whole new set of problems, really. 1430 01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,000 - I was enormously fortunate, 1431 01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:08,600 when I had PTSD or was diagnosed with PTSD 1432 01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:11,760 that I was a staff correspondent. 1433 01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:15,720 I was able to get medical treatment, 1434 01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:17,920 I was off work for six months, 1435 01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:20,600 all of those things were given to me. 1436 01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:25,520 That would not happen with a freelancer, it's much harder. 1437 01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:30,280 - When I first got here, 1438 01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:35,200 this was in the months immediately after the IED strike 1439 01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:37,640 in Helmand. 1440 01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:39,840 I was stressing a lot about 1441 01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:41,680 whether I was gonna be able to get permission 1442 01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:44,960 to publish the pictures of the wounded soldier, 1443 01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:46,600 pictures that I felt very strongly about 1444 01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:48,360 because I was aware that they were really 1445 01:16:48,440 --> 01:16:50,560 the only ones of a wounded British soldier 1446 01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:52,320 still on the battlefield. 1447 01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:56,320 And I didn't want to ever be left with the feeling 1448 01:16:56,400 --> 01:17:00,040 that I'd taken those epic risks that day, 1449 01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:02,280 in particular, to get those pictures, 1450 01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:05,400 and then no one was ever gonna see them. 1451 01:17:05,480 --> 01:17:09,280 They were going to be basically censored out by the MoD. 1452 01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,160 So the pattern of life has changed here a lot really 1453 01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:16,840 because when I first got here, 1454 01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,040 I wasn't particularly healthy, 1455 01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:23,080 and I certainly wasn't dealing with any of those demons 1456 01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:24,480 at that stage. 1457 01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:26,520 I was really creating new ones. 1458 01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:31,600 My nights were kind of pretty regularly disturbed 1459 01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:33,240 by nightmares. 1460 01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:36,240 Generally, 1461 01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:38,680 I could never really identify anything specific 1462 01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:41,440 in the nightmare, so it wasn't, for example, 1463 01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:46,160 I would be witnessing the IED strike 1464 01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:48,040 when Bainbridge lost his legs, for example, 1465 01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:49,240 or anything like that. 1466 01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:53,200 They were nearly always kind of hypothetical situations, 1467 01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:56,560 and generally involved a situation 1468 01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:58,800 that I needed to escape from or, 1469 01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:02,160 a situation where I was fighting. 1470 01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:06,160 In my nightmares I used to kill quite a lot of people. 1471 01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:09,600 I used to quite regularly kill my brother 1472 01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:11,400 by crushing his head with rocks. 1473 01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:14,760 All sorts of like, really, just, 1474 01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:16,120 dreadful, frightening things, really. 1475 01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:19,760 You just wake up sort of in a cold sweat, shaking, 1476 01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:22,440 and exhausted, when you woke up in the morning 1477 01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:23,800 with your neck and shoulders aching 1478 01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:25,480 because you'd spent all night fighting 1479 01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:27,680 and struggling and trying to escape. 1480 01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:31,600 And they have gradually diminished. 1481 01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:34,720 I now just kind of have really weird dreams. 1482 01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:36,160 Like last night I dreamt 1483 01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:37,680 I was in the British Prime Minister's house 1484 01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:41,080 giving him some advice on interior decorating. 1485 01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:43,920 And for some reason he had a picture of me on the wall. 1486 01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,120 So yeah, be interesting to see 1487 01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:48,560 what the psychotherapist has to say about that. 1488 01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:56,400 The problems I had were that I couldn't really switch off 1489 01:18:57,240 --> 01:19:02,000 from thinking about my security and my safety 1490 01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:03,240 and that kind of thing because, 1491 01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:06,480 it's been 12 years really that I spent living in places 1492 01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:09,680 like Iraq and Afghanistan and Colombia and so on. 1493 01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:13,520 Places where loud noises in the night 1494 01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:17,560 are generally a precursor to something bad happening. 1495 01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:26,240 So one of the big things that really made 1496 01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:29,480 a great difference here was having the dogs. 1497 01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:32,800 When I first got here, if they barked in the night, 1498 01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:35,240 I would get up and go out with a flashlight 1499 01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:37,400 and have a look around and see what it was. 1500 01:19:37,480 --> 01:19:40,760 And I was very, 1501 01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:42,600 well, still very much sort of paranoid 1502 01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:44,320 and on edge a lot, all the time. 1503 01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:47,920 At one stage I was actually even sleeping on the balcony 1504 01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:51,080 outside because it meant I could come into the house, 1505 01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:54,760 I could close the door, I could then go upstairs, 1506 01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:58,400 which is the furthest away from the obvious entry points, 1507 01:19:58,480 --> 01:20:01,240 and I could then go outside and lock another set of doors 1508 01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:02,320 and then sleep on the balcony. 1509 01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:04,360 So that if something bad happened, 1510 01:20:04,440 --> 01:20:05,960 all I've got to do is drop off the balcony 1511 01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:07,880 and sort of head off into the bushes. 1512 01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,400 (panting) 1513 01:20:11,480 --> 01:20:12,480 Here you go. 1514 01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:21,200 Taking away all of the emotional crutches, 1515 01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:22,720 or I don't know if they're emotional crutches, 1516 01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:26,160 but they're just crutches that help you get through, 1517 01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:29,120 through stuff, whether that is drinking, or smoking, 1518 01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:31,920 or taking drugs, or whatever it is you do 1519 01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:34,360 to distract you away from actually dealing with 1520 01:20:34,440 --> 01:20:37,080 the issue at hand, once you take all those away, 1521 01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:38,920 the only thing you're left with 1522 01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,160 is the problems and dealing with them. 1523 01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:45,280 Your emotions are now, like, really sharp, 1524 01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:49,440 and you're gonna start having normal reactions to things. 1525 01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:51,440 And that's quite hard to deal with, 1526 01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:52,960 because if you've had several years 1527 01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:55,760 of emotional reaction management, 1528 01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:57,400 and you've become an expert in it, 1529 01:20:57,480 --> 01:21:00,400 to suddenly start having feelings again is pretty, 1530 01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:04,440 is a difficult situation to deal with. 1531 01:21:12,440 --> 01:21:15,840 Your emotional release will sometimes come 1532 01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:17,080 when you're least expecting it. 1533 01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:19,960 I would find it would come in the most insane times, 1534 01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:23,360 be watching a chick flick, eyes are welling up with tears, 1535 01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:25,680 and your Adam's apple's bobbing up and down. 1536 01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:28,560 Or Lassie dies at the end of the film or something 1537 01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:30,400 and you're like, bawling your eyes out. 1538 01:21:30,480 --> 01:21:31,320 And people are looking at you 1539 01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:33,720 as thought you're completely mad, which, 1540 01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:35,880 clearly, I was. 1541 01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:39,200 But back then I couldn't really understand 1542 01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:40,560 why those things were happening. 1543 01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:42,360 I think also it takes a long time 1544 01:21:42,440 --> 01:21:44,160 to get those emotions back in balance. 1545 01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:48,080 And I wouldn't say certainly now that they're in balance, 1546 01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:51,680 but they will at last be heading in the right direction. 1547 01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:54,840 (laughing) 1548 01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:57,960 Too many kisses, too much love, too much love. 1549 01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:04,480 (contemplative instrumental music) 1550 01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,920 - I think his Colombian work, it was his best, 1551 01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:14,960 it was really incredible. 1552 01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:19,200 And that one image encapsulates his whole entire career 1553 01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:22,880 before he even had a career, oddly enough. 1554 01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:24,200 It's almost in reverse. 1555 01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:27,600 - One of the things that has motivated me 1556 01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:30,000 in my photography, and still does motivate me, 1557 01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:31,640 and would make me perhaps want to go back 1558 01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:34,800 and do that kind of work again once I've got myself 1559 01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:38,200 in a better mental and emotional place and so on, 1560 01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:41,040 is that I really love the idea of shaking people 1561 01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:44,000 out of their horrible little insulated bubbles. 1562 01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:49,560 (yelling in foreign language) 1563 01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:03,880 (camera shutter) 1564 01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:15,520 (camera shutter) 1565 01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:22,880 (camera shutter) 1566 01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:26,000 - [Male] Come on, man, show me the tat. 1567 01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:27,800 - No, it's too cold. 1568 01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:28,800 - [Male] You got a t-shirt on. 1569 01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:29,640 - No! 1570 01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:31,920 I've got a long sleeve thermal fleece. 1571 01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:33,240 Oh, microphone. 1572 01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:37,160 Just because at least one person's gotten, 1573 01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:39,360 what the fuck is going on with me? 1574 01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:45,880 And it's clear that you can see it's going to be Harold. 1575 01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:48,880 Right. 1576 01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:51,800 There it is, right, that's it. 1577 01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:53,360 - [Male] Hold on hold on hold on. 1578 01:23:55,480 --> 01:23:57,840 - The tattoo you want, I gotta stay warm. 1579 01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:01,800 - [Male] That's fine, you can do that. 1580 01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:03,800 - [Jason] Who says I'm not normal? 1581 01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:10,720 - Thank you, Jason. 1582 01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:12,840 - You get to post some extras. 1583 01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:15,640 Well, you've met Harold. 1584 01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:19,400 (gentle instrumental music) 119778

Can't find what you're looking for?
Get subtitles in any language from opensubtitles.com, and translate them here.