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- How you doing, all right?
- Yeah, how about you?
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- Yeah, good, mate.
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Pretty much standard procedure,
if you've got suspected IDs,
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even though you're clearing it,
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you want to walk
in the footsteps
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of the person in front of you.
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If they've stepped on that patch
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and it hasn't triggered
anything,
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there's a good chance that
that's a safe bit of ground.
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But of course if you pause for
even a fraction of a second
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to frame up and take an image,
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you're not looking where
their feet went.
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And so, now this is a
very demanding job,
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requires a lot of concentration
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and a lot of fear management
as well.
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And you just reach the
point where you're like,
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there's only so much I can do,
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I have to trust that
that guy in front
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is picking up any traces if
there are any devices here.
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(explosion)
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(gunfire)
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- Jeremy get down in
there, get down there!
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(camera shutter)
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(crackling)
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(intense instrumental music)
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- Colombia is one of the
most dangerous countries
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in the world, for
decades it's been ravaged
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by political violence,
drug cartels of course,
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and human rights violations.
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Photojournalist Jason Howe
has spent several years
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documenting the civil war there.
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- Colombia was the big
learning experience,
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the place that I had
gone to to try and
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learn how to be a
photojournalist,
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to learn the skills involved
in telling a story in pictures,
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gaining access to people.
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So it was very different
from the travel photography
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that I'd done before, which
was all about, you know,
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blue sky, sun behind
you, beautiful landscape.
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This was gonna be a
lot more difficult.
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The first area that
I started working
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was down in San Vicente
del Caguan,
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which is the town that
the FARC controlled,
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in a demilitarised done
that the government
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had pulled out from to allow
them to negotiate there.
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The peace process
was very shaky,
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and they told me that
this isn't a good time,
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if the situation changes
we'll come and let you know,
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and then you can visit
us in the camp.
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Now, given that I
had quit my job,
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sold off my remaining
possessions,
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I couldn't allow that
initial rebuff
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to be the end of the story.
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I explained to them, I
explained the situation,
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explained the things
that I'd given up
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and the fact that I wanted
to dedicate my time now
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to telling their story was
how I put it over at the time.
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So I spent the next
couple of weeks
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sleeping 100 metres away
from their camp.
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Suddenly the FARC started
becoming a little friendlier,
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and then as this moved on,
eventually one day they said,
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oh, you might as well
just move your stuff over
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and move into the camp.
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So I've got to the point
where they would
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stop thinking of me
as a journalist,
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this person that was
in their faces,
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and I'd become this person who
was kind of in the background
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that they could kind of
get on with their lives
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and do what they needed to do.
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There was a young couple I
spent quite a bit of time with,
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a guy called Bernardo and
his girlfriend Marisol.
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We walked around the
camp one evening
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and they stopped and kissed,
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they shot me a sort
of little shy,
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glance, half smile,
and moved on.
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After a while the peace
process completely broke down
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and the government gave
the FARC 24 hours
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to evacuate the zone
before they would come in
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and take it back by force.
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As the FARC had left their
zone of control
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and the military were coming
in to retake the zone,
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they had set an ambush, which
were two buses and a truck,
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and one of the buses had a
message painted on the side
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saying that it had explosives
on board.
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They sent a few men ahead to
basically diffuse the bomb,
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was the idea, I thought
perhaps they would walk up
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and just roll a grenade
under it, blow the thing up,
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it's safe, and on we can go.
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The soldiers were walking
around, kicking the tyres,
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they got in, tried the ignition.
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Not techniques that I
think are approved
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by many bomb disposal squads.
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I walked away and I'd been gone
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probably not more
than 30 seconds,
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maybe a minute at most, and
I was about 15 metres away
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when there was a
large explosion.
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(explosion)
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I ran round the bus
through the smoke
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expecting to see the soldiers
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that I'd been with for a few
hours standing at a distance,
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laughing and pointing and
saying they had found the bomb.
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But instead what I was
confronted with
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was three bodies laying
on the ground,
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looking to me to be pretty
obviously dead.
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It occurred to me immediately
that I had
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very narrowly escaped being
killed by that explosion,
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by a matter of a few metres.
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I then walked over to this
other heap in the road
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which was two bodies,
and then all of a sudden,
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the body on top groaned, and
his eyes came up and met mine.
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I sort of froze, I didn't
really know what to do.
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All of a sudden I wasn't just
photographing a dead body,
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I was photographing
someone in pain,
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someone that was suffering.
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My hands were still shaking,
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and I was realising in some
ways that this was the big test,
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this was the, okay, you want
to be a war photographer,
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you want to witness
these serious situations
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and take pictures to show other
people, here is your test.
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If you can handle this, maybe
you'll be able to do it.
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If you can't, if you're gonna
walk around feeling sick
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or going into shock, or you
don't take any pictures, then,
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you've failed, give up.
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- The whole idea and the
term war photographer
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I find pretty ridiculous now.
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But you know, when
you're in your early 20s
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and you're trying to
get your war on
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and make pictures,
you're like, yeah.
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(gunfire)
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Hell yeah!
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(gunfire)
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(explosion)
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Woo!
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I met Jason in Colombia I
believe in the year 2000.
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And we got on well right
from the start.
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I mean I thought he was kind
of a maniac and an idiot, but,
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I loved him for it immediately.
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It's a type of maniacal
idiocrasy that you just
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fall in love with.
(laughing)
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- Me and Eros and are trying
to figure out where to go
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and then somebody said
oh, there's this other guy
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who's also a freelancer,
he's interested in going.
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So he came over and we sat
down and had a few drinks,
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looked at some pictures,
talked about a plan,
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and we all came up with a,
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(laughs)
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It's a plan, I don't know
if it's a good plan or not,
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but we came up with a plan,
and that's how we met.
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- So a week later we
happened to be back down
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in the same region on the same
road that the FARC controlled
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when we came to a roadblock.
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- And we walked up to
the FARC commander,
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whoever was in charge there,
and said, can we take pictures?
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He was just like, looked
at us going like,
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yeah, what are you asking me?
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Like, I'm trying to do
something else here.
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- The FARC had all of
the civilians laying down
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crouching in the road in
between their vehicles.
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- It was honestly a very
cynical technique
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because the guerrillas
ended up basically
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using the civilians
as human shields
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so that there wouldn't be
airstrikes against them.
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- And then in the distance to
see these government soldiers
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coming running across the river,
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it was a very sort of Vietnam-y
kind of feel to the scene.
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- It was the first firefight
that any of us had been in.
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We'd certainly been in situations
that were dodgy enough,
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but this was a proper gunfight.
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- There were people
trying to get white flags,
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trying to make sure they
weren't getting shot at.
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But then the shooting getting
more intense and more intense
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as their army got closer
and closer.
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People are starting to
run into this field
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to take cover in just
some high grass,
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'cause there was really
nowhere to hide.
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And the FARCs sort of took
cover on the other side.
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Eros and I went with the
civilians, photographed them,
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and Jason went with
the FARC soldiers.
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And that kinda shows you
a little bit sort of where
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he was going, where we're
all sort of looking at
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different parts of the conflict,
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within the same scene you're
looking at different things.
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- It didn't really
feel dangerous,
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it felt incredibly exciting.
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And I'm sure the civilians
must've thought
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we were utter lunatics.
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- They were shooting, I
don't even know how long,
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it could've been --
- Maybe a half hour or so.
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- Three hours, I really
don't know.
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- Maybe it was five minutes,
it's hard to remember really,
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you're in the middle of it.
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- You could tell the
army was getting closer
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and the FARC was kind
of getting away.
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- All of a sudden I
found I was alone,
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they had gone and left me.
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And so the only person
that the soldiers
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were shooting at now was me.
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- We're like, Jason!
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Jason!
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He's like what, what?
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And we're like, you're
about to get shot.
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- And I didn't really
notice or feel any of this
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until I got close to the
grass and saw the dirt
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and the grass flying up
as the bullets hit it.
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- So then at some point
he, we don't see him,
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we're like uh-oh, did
he just get shot?
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And then we see him
crawling back to us
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with a big grin on his face.
(laughing)
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- We went back to San Vicente,
where life was pretty normal,
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and got drunk, and
then the next day,
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we're like, yeah, we're
gonna go out
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and find this shit again,
man, like hell yeah.
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We're combat photographers
now, we can do it.
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We were totally hungover.
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- More than 20 years ago I
read Tim Page's autobiography,
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a book called Page After Page.
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It was probably my first
introduction to
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the life of a photojournalist
or a war photographer.
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And it was very exciting,
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at that stage I had never
even been trampling,
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certainly never even left
England at that point.
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(road traffic)
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And then I happened to meet him,
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and I was a little bit shocked
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by the way he was describing
war and the glamour of war,
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and kind of admitting
that he found it exciting,
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and that it was a big adventure
and all that kind of thing.
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Whereas,
(dog barking)
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that's something that
a lot of photographers
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are very afraid to admit that
they actually quite enjoy,
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and get a big sort of
thrill and buzz from it.
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- Vietnam was an absolute,
it was a marvellous place.
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Not for the Vietnamese to
be in the middle of it,
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but in terms of war, what
a great session.
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One minute you're in
a muddy foxhole
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in the middle of Woop Woop
being shot the shit of,
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and the next minute you're
back on a beach on a surfboard.
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There was no compromise,
it was all or nothing.
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It was incredibly exciting
and very fulfilling,
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you're not empty.
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It's not a boring life.
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(gunfire)
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You've still got fear, but
you can press it back in.
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Time becomes this
elastic module.
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You don't know if this incident,
this part of the operation,
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this part of the fight,
this part of the battle,
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has actually lasted
seconds, minutes, or hours.
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(intense music)
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- After the first six
months spent in Colombia,
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I printed up some of
the better images
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and I decided to go to Perpignan
in the south of France,
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where there is an annual
photojournalism festival
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called Visa pour l'Image.
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- It's like our equivalent
of Cannes, for a journalist,
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and everybody kind of gathers
all the way around the world
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and if you're on
assignment and you're done,
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we all just go there and
we all just get drunk.
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- And I walked into a bar and --
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- And it was early hours
in the morning,
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and I came across Jason.
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- Somehow ended up in
conversation with this
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slightly inebriated Irishman
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who turned out to
be Seamus Conlin.
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- He was just off his head and,
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and he showed me his pictures,
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and it was of the
Colombia bombing.
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And that was when I made
the decision to actually,
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actually be his agent.
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And to represent him, because
I knew he had something.
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- After spending time
with the FARC
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and realising that I couldn't
with a clear conscience
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just document their
side of the story,
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because it would effectively
end up
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just being propaganda for them.
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The only things that I was
really seeing with the FARC
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were the things that
they wanted me to see.
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I wasn't seeing child soldiers,
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I wasn't seeing the people
that they were holding hostage
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that they had kidnapped.
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I wasn't seeing any
direct involvement
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between them and the
cocaine trade.
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I was seeing to a large extent,
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really, the public
face of the FARC.
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My next mission really
was to get down
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to try to meet the
paramilitaries who
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I had really thought were the
bad guys in this whole story.
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The FARC, I'd gone there
with the idea
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that they were these sort
of romantic revolutionaries
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fighting for the poor people,
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but having narrowly missed
getting blown to pieces
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by one of their bombs,
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and then seeing the terror
on the faces of the civilians
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that they claimed they're
fighting for and supporting,
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that really, those illusions
crumbled pretty quickly.
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So I set off to a different
part of the county
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sufficiently far
away that I felt
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there wouldn't be any crossover.
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Now that was quite difficult,
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because I had to go to villages
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where people couldn't
tell me clearly
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whether the FARC
were in control,
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or the paramilitaries
were in control.
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So the technique that
I found that worked
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was to always travel
on local transport.
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And once you learned to
communicate a bit,
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people ask you what
you're doing,
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where you're going
and, you know,
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you can pick up bits
of information.
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But I was sitting next to
this girl on the local bus.
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She was very young, I don't,
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can't really tell exactly
how young she was.
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Pretty face.
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Pretty much ignoring
me completely.
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And as we were driving along
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we started to approach
a military checkpoint,
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and I saw that she was
kind of glancing around
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and looking a little bit scared.
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So I didn't want to actually
point the camera at her
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and take a picture so
I just focused it on
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a metre away, which is
roughly how far she was,
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preset the exposure, and
so then I just clicked,
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wound, clicked, wound,
just made a few frames.
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And once of them really
sort of shows
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this look of concern
in her eyes.
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And it's one of my
favourite pictures
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of how the conflict affects
the civilians.
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It was very important with
this project on Colombia
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to make sure that it
didn't just become
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a book of pictures
of guys with guns.
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Because whilst the
weapons and the conflict
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and the fighting
and the fighters
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are a very important ingredient,
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the civilian population is also
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crucial to telling this story.
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(loud talking and music)
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A huge amount of access
and getting images
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can just be about
luck and timing.
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And sometimes that's not
because you've planned that
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yourself, it's just
you happen to be
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in the right place
at the right time.
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I met Marylin whilst
changing buses
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in one of the small town en
route to a town called Pitalito.
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And we happened to get
on the same bus
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and were sitting next
to each other.
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My Spanish at this stage
was very basic,
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but I managed to explain to
her that I was a photographer
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and that I had recently spent
some time in the FARC zone,
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and that the purpose
of my trip south
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was to cover the other
side of the conflict.
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She explained that
she knew people
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who were in the paramilitaries,
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and knew people who were
in the military,
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and that they would stop
and buy sodas or beers
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and that kind of thing from
her father's roadside store.
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And that she could kind of
point me in the right direction
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for meeting up with
these people.
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Right from the start
she seemed to be
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a very useful person to
have met, useful contact.
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She was young and she
was attractive,
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and I was young and naive
and off on my big adventure.
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When we first met,
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the only reason that
our relationship didn't
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progress faster was the fact
that she lived with her parents
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in a very basic house
with paper thin walls,
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and she shared her bed
with her young daughter.
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Which made making any kind of
progress a little difficult.
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So over the course
of several visits,
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whenever I went to see her,
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our relationship was
growing a little bit
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in terms of friendship, and
because my Spanish was improving
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so that we could communicate
better.
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- We were down in Putumayo
in way southern Colombia,
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which is one of the
hottest zones,
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I mean, it's nasty down there.
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There's a lot of extreme
violence.
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- We went out to her house
the first time,
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we drove out from the city.
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- Swim in the river, had a
very nice time with her family,
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ate, kicked back, and
that was all good.
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- On one visit I asked her if
it would make things easier
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if I stayed at a hotel
in the nearby town
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so that she could come
and stay with me,
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and it was the next
morning that she decided to
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basically confess to me
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that she not only knew
the paramilitaries
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but that she was actually
an active participant
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in the conflict.
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- At that point we didn't
really know to what extent.
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'Cause so many people work
for either the guerrilla
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or the paramilitary, and in
sometimes very innocuous roles.
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They might just be
messengers or they, you know,
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they just listen and
look, and report,
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so, she could have
been anything.
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- When she elaborated
on what she did,
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which, in fact, turned
out really that she had
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migrated away from
being a uniformed member
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of the local branch of
the paramilitaries
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into working with an urban sell,
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and her job was basically
to eliminate people.
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So she was effectively
an assassin.
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- I don't think the issue
of ethical behaviour
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or anything like that
really entered into my head.
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Any doubts that I may
have had in my mind
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about the situation
were overridden, really,
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by the excitement of
being in the situation.
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Because it was just playing out
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really like some kind of movie.
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(contemplative music)
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I decided to ask her if I could
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conduct an interview with her.
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I had the feeling that
this was a story
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that she really wanted to
tell, she was very keen,
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and there was no withholding
of any information.
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- And in truth when I
was listening to her
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answering the questions, I
couldn't actually understand
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all of the finer points of it.
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It wasn't until the interview
was transcribed later
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that I could actually
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start to understand how
little feeling she had
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about the things that
she had done,
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how little regret there was.
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- He became very conflicted
about his feelings
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and his relationship with her.
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Because it had kind of
slowly came to light
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that she was not just
a mere, you know,
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oreja, you know,
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a lookout, that she was an
assassin, that she killed people.
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- In Colombia people
get killed all the time.
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In that town people were
killed all the time,
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and she's doing a lot
of the killing.
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- Now there were limits.
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She told me that she had a
target that she was looking for
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that she was going to kill,
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and she asked me if I wanted to
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come along and photograph that.
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I chose not to do that.
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I felt that in some ways
by me going along
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and photographing her
killing someone,
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there would be two outcomes.
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One, it would feel as though
I was actually condoning
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the murder by standing by
and just photographing it
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and not stopping it from
happening, and also,
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that was outside my personal
envelope of acceptable risk,
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so I chose not to do that.
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And that's not a decision
that I regret, I think,
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that that whole situation
is hard enough to deal with
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retrospectively anyway, and
if I had condoned in any way
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what she was doing
more actively,
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then I would have more things
to feel bad about, really.
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- I think that Jason was really
high on the whole romance
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and danger and all that
kind of thing of, like,
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dating this chick.
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Dating, yeah like they're going
out to pizza and the movies.
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Having a little affair with
this woman who's definitely
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knee deep in some pretty
nefarious shit.
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I mean,
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that's attractive to everybody,
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that's why the story
of Jason and Marylin
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has been so popular,
everybody's like, ooh, ahh.
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It's so sexy, it's so
dangerous, we love it.
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And Jason loved it for that.
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- One day she actually
pointed the pistol at my face
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and said, why aren't
you scared of me,
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aren't you scared that
I will kill you?
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I said to her no,
I'm not scared,
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I don't like being threatened,
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but if someone offers
you money to kill me,
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let me know, and I'll
pay you double
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to let me get to the airport.
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00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,640
And that kind of lightened
the situation,
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she laughed and put
the gun down and,
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the moment passed.
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One evening Marylin
came to the hotel
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that we were all staying
in for dinner.
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- And our hotel happened
to have this balcony
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right in the centre of
town, it's a small town.
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- And just immediately, all
the workers in the hotel,
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they're like.
(dramatic music)
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- And our fixer was
completely freaked out,
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he was like, I cannot
be seen, like,
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I live here, I cannot
be seen with her.
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This is gonna put my
life in jeopardy,
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my family, everybody.
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- So our feeling was like, well,
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we'd just been compromised.
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We gotta get out of town.
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And Hector and I left.
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00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,720
- And Jason did not
come with us, yeah.
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(eerie music)
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(yelling)
496
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,240
- Jason we had to throw him
into somewhere immediately,
497
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,840
make it his beat.
498
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,800
And he had to learn really
really quickly.
499
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,080
It's one thing if
they're wanting to do it,
500
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,320
and actually having
the talent, but,
501
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,120
the being thrown into a place,
502
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,600
the way you turn on
the TV and everybody's,
503
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,400
it looks like everybody's
dying every moment of the day,
504
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,480
it's kind of terrifying.
505
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,040
(car horns)
506
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,560
So we kicked him out the
door and we equipped him,
507
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,080
and it was like, go
on, just, do it.
508
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:47,680
- I arrived in a world,
509
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,240
in a war totally different
from Colombia.
510
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,480
And one that I was really
in no way prepared for.
511
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,440
(emotional music)
512
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,080
- I met Jason in Baghdad.
513
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,960
He was a bit different to the
other journalists in Baghdad,
514
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,520
and he had not come from
the same experiences.
515
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,240
Which meant that he didn't
really know how to carry himself
516
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:22,960
in a place like Iraq.
517
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,280
(helicopter propellers)
518
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:26,440
- Hey Joe?
- Yes, sir?
519
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:27,800
- [Man] Take that rug off.
520
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,200
- Freaking Jason ended
up in the spider hole
521
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,240
on his first assignment,
and he calling us,
522
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,400
and he didn't even know
what to fucking do,
523
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,000
you know, he was like,
holy shit, I'm an idiot.
524
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,440
- [Jason] My mind wasn't in
sort of news gathering mode yet,
525
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,160
that wasn't the photographer
I was,
526
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,400
I wasn't a news photographer.
527
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,040
They're seeing this crowd
of people around this hole,
528
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:53,880
just bang bang bang bang
bang bang bang,
529
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,560
shooting so many pictures
and just,
530
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,400
looking like, it's a
hole in the ground.
531
00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:59,320
- It's really a black
hole, okay?
532
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:01,760
- Okay.
- Okay.
533
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:02,720
- I was just wondering like,
534
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,920
how many different angles
can you shoot
535
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,640
a hole in the ground from
and make it interesting?
536
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,760
But then of course later
on when I saw the work
537
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:10,840
from the other photographers
I realised that
538
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,560
there were quite a few angles
that they had done it from
539
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,720
that I hadn't.
540
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,320
It's amazing, you have to have
your head in the right place
541
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,160
and you have to know
what you're doing
542
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:20,720
and maximise the situation.
543
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,720
And this was so early on in
that whole learning process
544
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,080
that whilst I got pictures
published
545
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,520
and I was paid for them,
546
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,600
I didn't do a particularly
thorough job on that occasion.
547
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,000
- It was very clear that
whatever he'd been doing before,
548
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,880
he hadn't really been
working for someone.
549
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,280
And he hadn't worked in a
conservative environment like that
550
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,040
so I mean, he would just say
wildly inappropriate things
551
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,080
and do wildly
inappropriate things.
552
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,800
He would show pictures
to our Iraqi drivers
553
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,920
of naked Colombian women,
554
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,880
and people snorting coke off
them and things like that and,
555
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,760
and I just eventually
took him aside and said,
556
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,440
you know, sweetheart,
557
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,200
this is Iraq, it's not Colombia.
558
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,760
(yelling in foreign language)
559
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,440
- Pretty much one of
the craziest moments
560
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,160
of the time spent in Iraq,
561
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,720
I was in the towns
of Najaf and Kufa,
562
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,040
which were Muqtada al-Sadr's
territory.
563
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,600
He was leading a group
called the Mahdi Army.
564
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,400
The Mahdi Army were fighting
the Americans
565
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,240
on the edge of town,
they were hyped up,
566
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,240
they're waving their weapons,
567
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,640
they're firing their
guns in the air.
568
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,880
And some of them are saying,
you can't take pictures,
569
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,080
no pictures, no pictures.
570
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,240
Then another one will
stand in front of you
571
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:42,280
and ask you to take a picture
572
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:43,360
and then someone else
would come and hit you
573
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,320
with the butt of their Kalashnikov
and push you out the way.
574
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,520
And at one moment I had
four Mahdi Army fighters
575
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,280
with Kalashnikovs pointed
at my chest saying,
576
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:53,360
are you British?
577
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,800
Knowing if I said I was British,
578
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,880
they would pull the
trigger and that's that.
579
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,640
Are you American, nope, nope.
580
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:01,480
Where are you from,
581
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,760
so I said the first thing
that came into my head
582
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,080
that seemed like a safe
answer was that I was Irish.
583
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,800
And they're like, ah,
Gerry Adams, very good man.
584
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,240
A moment later, surrounded
by another group,
585
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,160
and this time the guy
has a hand grenade,
586
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,720
he holds a grenade in my face
with his finger in the ring,
587
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,400
and he starts the same
questioning process.
588
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:19,880
They're all hyped
up on adrenaline,
589
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,040
you're hyped up on adrenaline,
590
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,120
your heart is banging
backwards and forwards
591
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,680
off the plate in your
body armour.
592
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,880
They're quite happy to blow
you up and all go to heaven
593
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,360
or wherever it is they
think they're going,
594
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,360
and you have to kind of
out-crazy the crazies.
595
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,080
So you sort of throw your
hands up in the air and say
596
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:35,920
look, you know, I just told
these guys all of this.
597
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,240
And they can't understand
a word that you're saying,
598
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,320
but your attitude and
your body language
599
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,240
somehow conveys something
and they,
600
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,000
for some reason,
they backed off.
601
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,760
(ominous music)
602
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,320
- He really got it and
he really enjoyed it,
603
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,280
he enjoyed the moment.
604
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,560
Because it is about
living the life,
605
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,720
and it's about being
in the moment
606
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,360
and being party of history.
607
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,160
- When I was in Iraq I
received an email from Marylin
608
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,640
saying that she felt that
I was the only person
609
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,680
who could help her and
that she did want to
610
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,600
get out of the situation
that she was in,
611
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,960
but the paramilitaries, they
don't allow people to leave,
612
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,200
because quite literally,
613
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:40,880
they know where the
bodies are buried.
614
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,040
So someone like Marylin
615
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,280
would be privy to a
lot of information,
616
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,440
and so her group were
not really gonna
617
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,200
just let her walk away.
618
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,120
I don't recall exactly how I
responded to her email but,
619
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,640
it wasn't in a particularly
sympathetic manner,
620
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,640
and certainly I didn't
come up with a solution
621
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,960
as to how to help her
get out of her problem.
622
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,520
And that is a decision
623
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,200
that would possibly come
back to haunt me,
624
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:12,520
later.
625
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,120
(explosion)
626
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,320
Pretty much every day there
would be suicide bombs.
627
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,200
They were around about
eight o'clock in the morning
628
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,840
and about five o'clock
in the evening.
629
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,840
So those times became
nicknamed bomb o'clock.
630
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,360
(explosion)
631
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,000
On the 18th of November, 2005,
632
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,040
I was woken up by
a huge explosion
633
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,520
which blew the glass windows
into my room.
634
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,480
I had no idea what it was,
I had been sound asleep,
635
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,960
I woke up just to feel
this freezing air
636
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,000
and to see that the
window had been blown in.
637
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,720
And I lay there kind of
semi sort of frozen in shock
638
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:58,000
on the bed, trying to
sort of reboot my brain,
639
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,400
work out what had happened,
and then there was another,
640
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,040
much, much bigger explosion
641
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,800
which ripped the aluminium
window frames
642
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,680
away from the concrete,
threw those across the room.
643
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,560
The door was blown off its
hinges, the ceiling collapsed.
644
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,480
Pull on my jeans and boots,
put on the body armour,
645
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,480
grab my money and passport
646
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,800
in case the insurgents
were climbing over the wall
647
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,840
or we needed to climb over
the other wall and escape.
648
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,000
And then get outside and
start taking pictures.
649
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,760
But as I walked around the room,
650
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,360
really plucking up the courage
651
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,240
to go and put myself out
into this inferno
652
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,480
that was kind of raging outside,
653
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,200
there was some sort of
strange hesitation,
654
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:38,720
I was trying to find
little distractions
655
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,640
to kind of delay that
moment of truth.
656
00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:43,720
And I remember opening
the fridge
657
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,960
to see whether my eggs had
broken in the explosion,
658
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,480
and being bizarrely delighted
659
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,480
that they were all still
in one piece.
660
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,800
Outside I could see
burning cars,
661
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,480
smoke billowing everywhere,
people screaming,
662
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,280
people running around shooting.
663
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,200
The windows of every
building for, you know,
664
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,000
a block in either direction
had been destroyed.
665
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,080
There were dozens
of cars on fire
666
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,280
where shrapnel had ripped
into their fuel tanks
667
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:11,920
and exploded those.
668
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,000
And just all of these people
669
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,240
sort of wandering
around in shock.
670
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,000
Their crime,
671
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,440
the reason that their lives had
just been turned upside down
672
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,920
or destroyed was that
they just happened to live
673
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,840
next to a hotel full of foreign
journalists and contractors,
674
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,200
and that's who the
insurgents wanted to kill.
675
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,160
And in my rush to get out
there and take pictures,
676
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:36,840
I decided to jump,
677
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,600
or let myself drop from
the first floor balcony.
678
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,240
And so having survived
these two massive explosions
679
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,640
which were later reported as
being a 400 pound car bomb
680
00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:50,040
and then a one thousand
pound truck bomb,
681
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,400
my injuries were sustained
by dropping
682
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,120
from the first floor
balcony into the rubble
683
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,680
and twisting both ankles
and scraping my arm.
684
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,120
What was quite a strange
experience
685
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,320
was watching the press corps
686
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,040
who were living in other
parts of the city
687
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,680
arrive and start photographing
this scene.
688
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,680
And suddenly it gave
you a little insight
689
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,560
into how it is when you
arrive at a scene
690
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,640
and someone's wandering
around slightly dazed
691
00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:17,240
after a bomb attack on their
house or something like that.
692
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,600
And a car pulls up and four
people jump out and just,
693
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,560
they don't talk to them, they
don't communicate with them,
694
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,120
they just run towards
them and point the camera
695
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,000
in their face and start
taking pictures.
696
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,200
It felt very strange, it was a,
697
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,720
a combination of feeling
like the victim,
698
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,320
that this was my story,
except that of course,
699
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,520
when it happened I'd
immediately gone outside
700
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:42,960
and starting shooting
pictures as well.
701
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,920
It was a very confusing
incident,
702
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,360
and the feeling of surviving it,
703
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,480
the euphoria, is
just incredible.
704
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,240
I got told off by one
of my colleagues
705
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,120
because you have
to stop smiling,
706
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,760
you're just walking around with
this big grin on your face,
707
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,200
and people have died,
15 people were killed,
708
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,120
40 were wounded.
709
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,160
And of course I wasn't
doing it deliberately,
710
00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:02,680
it was just that,
711
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,320
I was so happy to be alive
and to have survived this.
712
00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:11,400
One of the weirdest
things ever to have
713
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,960
come out of covering
suicide bombings
714
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,240
was the fact that you
would nearly always find
715
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,600
the male suicide bomber's
genitalia on the ground.
716
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,960
And apparently one of
their preparations
717
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,200
for going and blowing
themselves up
718
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,600
would be to pack their
genitals in silver foil
719
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:29,880
so that it would be intact,
720
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,600
ready for going to heaven
and the 72 virgins.
721
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,160
(muffled radio)
722
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,600
(explosion)
723
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,760
The far south of the
country, Basra,
724
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,280
down towards the Kuwait border
725
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,040
was an area controlled
by British forces.
726
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,400
And a small contingent of them
also were based in Baghdad.
727
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,160
And the soldiers that
I first met there
728
00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:58,360
were the Royal Irish Regiment,
729
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,320
and they were protecting
the road called Route Irish.
730
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:02,880
Which was for a long time
731
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,600
labelled the most dangerous
road in the world.
732
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,960
It's the road that ran
from Baghdad Airport
733
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,280
into central Baghdad.
734
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,760
It was a road that normal
cars would probably take
735
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,920
30, 40 minutes to drive
along at normal speed.
736
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,000
The soldiers could do
it in, something,
737
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,880
I seem to remember something
like about 10 minutes.
738
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,760
It wasn't safe for them to
drive any slower, or to stop.
739
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,200
The soldiers on top cover above
740
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,760
would be training their
weapon on any flyovers
741
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,080
to make sure people weren't
dropping grenades off.
742
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,120
Any vehicles that didn't
get out of the way,
743
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,040
the first technique was
to throw a water bottle,
744
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,680
so it slammed into the
hood of the car
745
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,080
and gave the driver
a bit of a shock.
746
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:44,360
'Cause he maybe he just
hadn't seen you
747
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:45,560
or something like that.
748
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,400
Another thing with being able
to spend quite a bit of time
749
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,000
with the soldiers that
you then get to cover
750
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,400
all sorts of little parts
of their lives.
751
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,320
It was quite interesting
that a lot of the soldiers
752
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,200
obviously cover the walls
in pornography.
753
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,400
Naked women is something
754
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,120
that helps to get them
through the tour.
755
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,680
But you also saw young guys
who had got their girlfriends
756
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,160
or wives pregnant on
the last visit home,
757
00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:16,520
and the pictures that they had
on the wall were of the scan,
758
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,280
or maybe they had a newborn
baby and they had those pictures
759
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:20,680
and they'd go to sleep
every night
760
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,160
looking at the pictures
of their newborn child.
761
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,360
There is a cemetery in Baghdad
762
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,840
which is just for
burying babies,
763
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,920
there were no adults
buried there at all.
764
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,600
The situation during the war
was that there's so much,
765
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,680
so much stress being put
on the civilian population,
766
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,400
there's the suicide bombs,
767
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,480
there's kidnappings,
assassinations.
768
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:51,520
Lots of women were losing
their children during birth.
769
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,320
And another issue was that,
to counteract the stress,
770
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,200
a lot of women were taking drugs
771
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,880
like Valium and diazepam
and this kind of thing,
772
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:00,920
so there are also
a lot of children
773
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,280
being born with deformities.
774
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,400
So this was a very strange
place to work,
775
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,560
to go to the cemetery,
meet the cemetery workers,
776
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,000
and then basically
wait for a family,
777
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,280
which it would happen every
day several times a day,
778
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,960
normally the husband or
perhaps a brother,
779
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,160
or someone like that,
780
00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:23,560
would bring a tiny corpse
wrapped in white cloth.
781
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,280
The funeral workers would
prepare the body
782
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,080
and bury it in a small grave.
783
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,560
It would be interesting
in some ways
784
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,560
to go back to that
cemetery and that would be,
785
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,000
an evidence of some
of the impact
786
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,960
on the Iraqis of that, of that,
787
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,000
of that conflict, of that
invasion and occupation.
788
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,760
- Carnage you can get
somewhat accustomed to.
789
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,280
Suffering is more difficult, so,
790
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,800
if you see people suffering
because they've been bereaved
791
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,200
by the carnage you've seen,
that's very difficult.
792
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:57,400
Seeing children who've
been killed
793
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:58,960
is the one thing that
gets everyone,
794
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,800
because I think that
you have some,
795
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,160
there's some very very
visceral human response
796
00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:07,560
that is, somehow I'm
meant to protect children,
797
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:08,720
we are meant to protect
children.
798
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,080
So seeing them harmed in any way
799
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,960
I think is absolutely
soul-polluting.
800
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:15,880
I used to tell Jason he needed,
801
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,480
it didn't matter what he got,
he needed to get out more.
802
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:19,960
'Cause as a freelancer
he would go in
803
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,960
and he would stay much,
much longer.
804
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,840
Staff correspondents
would rotate in and out.
805
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,760
You would do sort of
six or eight weeks.
806
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,920
But he was staying for
months at a time.
807
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,000
I said no you need to get out
808
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,840
and just give your
brain a break from this,
809
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,400
you cannot sit there
day after day
810
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,200
with that threat hovering
over you that way that it did.
811
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:41,240
- I was taking a break from Iraq
812
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,400
where I had been almost
solidly for six months,
813
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,440
and that I wanted to travel
back down to Colombia
814
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,960
and see if I could find out
what happened to Marylin.
815
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,480
So I flew back down
to Puerto Asis.
816
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,240
I checked into the same hotel
817
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,080
that Marylin and I had spend
our first night together,
818
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,120
and I stood in the bathroom
looking in the mirror and
819
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,680
started thinking about
the reality
820
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,720
of what I was now going to face.
821
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:07,800
Thinking well, there's
two things,
822
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,480
either I'm gonna arrive
at that house
823
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,800
and as I have done in the past,
824
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,400
her daughter will
come running out
825
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,760
and leap onto my back and
want to have a shoulder ride,
826
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,960
and Marylin will come
out and smile,
827
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,640
and she will tell me about
what's going on here in Putumayo.
828
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:26,080
And I will tell her
about life in Iraq.
829
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,640
And things will be
basically exactly the same
830
00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:31,320
as the last time I was here.
831
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,080
When I got there, her
father came out,
832
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,360
and he was very surprised
to see me.
833
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,080
And his eyes kind of
started to fill with tears
834
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:45,760
a little bit and he said,
835
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,520
I guess you know what
happened to the girl.
836
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,080
And he told me that
she had died,
837
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:52,720
he didn't actually say
that she had been killed,
838
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,560
he said that she died, it
happened six months before,
839
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,440
and that she was buried
in the local cemetery.
840
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,120
And so I asked if I could
go with her daughter
841
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,080
and her mother the next day
842
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,360
to put some flowers
on the grave.
843
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,400
I did feel really sorry
for her daughter who,
844
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,280
in reality, is the real
victim in all of this,
845
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,720
her mother made choices
to do things
846
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,600
and died as a consequence
of her choices.
847
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,640
Whereas her daughter
is completely blameless
848
00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:26,880
in the whole situation.
849
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,920
The reason that it was
explained to me
850
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,360
that Marylin had been killed
851
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,920
was because she had been
accused of being an informer,
852
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,000
and the paramilitaries
had stoned her to death,
853
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:41,920
they had crushed her
head with rocks.
854
00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:46,360
And then they had shot her.
855
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,320
And the reason for killing
her in this manner was that,
856
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,720
in Colombian Spanish, the
word for informer is sapo,
857
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:57,720
as in frog.
858
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,520
And the way to kill a frog
is to stone it to death,
859
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:02,320
to throw rocks at it.
860
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:03,880
And so they had killed her
861
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,000
in this kind of ritualistic
manner
862
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,720
as a warning to other
potential informers.
863
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,520
Marylin's story became
really the thread
864
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,200
to my Colombia project,
it gave it some,
865
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,120
some theme and some purpose.
866
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,120
Instead of just being
a lot of random images
867
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,600
from different sides
of the conflict,
868
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,280
she really defined the
conflict for me.
869
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,240
Very much like Colombia itself,
870
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,280
a place of beauty with
lots of resources,
871
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,600
that is just trapped in a cycle
872
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,920
of self-destruction, basically.
873
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,000
(footsteps)
874
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,680
- I've spoken to Jason
quite a bit
875
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,520
about his imbed in Afghanistan
when the British soldier
876
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,200
was injured with the IED.
877
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:17,880
- [Friend] Primarily
it first started out
878
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,520
as an ethical conversation
about,
879
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,360
jeez, I don't know what
to do with these pictures,
880
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,320
they're really important,
but, you know,
881
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,160
I've gotta clear it with
the kid's family,
882
00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:30,720
I gotta really think
hard about this.
883
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,280
And I was really pleased
by that whole conversation
884
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:34,960
because I'll tell you right now,
885
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,960
majority of the photographers
out there,
886
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,240
they'd just like, I don't know,
887
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,520
it's all about me, me
and my pictures.
888
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,720
They'll say it's about the
importance of the whole story,
889
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,040
but it's really about them.
890
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,360
- And that was definitely a
sign of maturity in Jason.
891
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,400
In the past I think
that he would,
892
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,000
he would've made that
same argument about,
893
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,360
you know, it's for
the greater good.
894
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,160
Which I just find
kind of absurd.
895
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:06,960
I understand it a
little bit, but,
896
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,600
ego trumps that shit
almost every time.
897
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,240
- I received an email
from the MoD
898
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,560
saying that Steve's
recovery is going very well,
899
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:28,720
and we are at a stage
900
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,840
where we might be able to
move forward with this.
901
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,160
So we arrived Headley Court,
902
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:37,680
and were met by a sort
of MoD representative,
903
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,320
and we went in to see Stephen.
904
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,360
Absolutely amazing experience,
905
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,560
I hadn't seen him for
basically five months.
906
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,520
Here he was wheeling himself
around in a wheelchair,
907
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,560
he was smiling, he was
happy, he looked well.
908
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:51,920
I showed Stephen all
of the pictures,
909
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,680
we looked through them,
and he was fascinated,
910
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,520
he was fascinated to see
the damage to his legs,
911
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:57,840
and he was pointing
at this, and he's,
912
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:58,680
ah, yeah, I remember that.
913
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,760
He did remember getting
dropped on the stretcher twice.
914
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,000
He was basically conscious
all the way
915
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,560
from the blast happening
until the helicopter.
916
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,000
(helicopter propellers)
917
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:13,440
The first thing I asked him is
918
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,680
whether he had any thoughts
or concerns
919
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,640
about the whole process
that we were going through,
920
00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:20,120
about these images, about
what I might do with them,
921
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,800
whether he had concerns about
the article I might write.
922
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,360
So he basically said
that he had no concerns,
923
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,120
he felt that he was gonna be
happy for them to be published,
924
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,080
he liked the idea of the
story be told and so on.
925
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,960
My whole spirit, everything,
were lifted.
926
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,520
All this nervousness
that I'd had about
927
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,080
whether he would approve
them or not,
928
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:40,960
obviously all completely
evaporated.
929
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,360
- I think that Jason
makes an incredible point
930
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,480
in going back and seeing the
guy who's lost both his legs,
931
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,520
and he's okay with it.
932
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:51,760
That says the whole thing,
933
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,600
because it actually says
something about walking wounded.
934
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,400
It says something about
the tenacity of mankind.
935
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,520
- One of the most
poignant moments
936
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:07,600
during that day in Helmand was
when the helicopter took off
937
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,480
carrying Stephen
to the hospital,
938
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,360
and we got into a safe compound.
939
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,000
And the soldiers came over
and were shaking my hand
940
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:20,560
and thanking me for helping
to carry the stretcher.
941
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,400
And one of them said that
he never thought
942
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:25,560
he'd see a journalist do that,
943
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,520
and I thought it was so, so sad
944
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,480
that this is the impression
that these men have
945
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,560
of journalists and the media,
that they're only there
946
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,800
to take something away and
not to contribute something.
947
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,720
That they're kind of a bit
like a pack of vultures
948
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,920
waiting for something
unfortunate to happen.
949
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,320
And that, I felt quite
proud, really.
950
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,560
(screaming)
951
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,440
(yelling in foreign language)
952
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,000
(screaming)
953
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,200
Conflict is very often
a lot of ordinary people
954
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,800
put into very extraordinary
situations.
955
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:23,040
In the summer of 2006 the
war in Lebanon broke out.
956
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,320
(yelling in foreign language)
957
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,560
- There were hundreds of
photographers and journalists.
958
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,520
So I arrived at one place
and you could see five or six
959
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,480
TV crews all with a TV anchor
doing a live broadcast.
960
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:17,880
- It attracted an awful lot
of very green freelancers
961
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,320
who really didn't know
how to conduct themselves.
962
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,800
- More and more young people
are going out to do this job,
963
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,880
and they're being encouraged
by the journalism schools.
964
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:29,640
And there's no job!
965
00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:31,400
There's no job.
966
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:32,520
So...
967
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,600
It's gonna push all
the young photographers
968
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,840
beyond the pale of acceptable
conduct.
969
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,120
- Some of these things
do actually
970
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,440
turn into a big fricking circus.
971
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,600
- There would be five or
six carloads of journalists
972
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,600
screeching through the
streets, and others running,
973
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,800
and an ambulance would stop
and there would be perhaps
974
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,920
20 photographers crowding
around the back door
975
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,800
and you saw local Red
Cross ambulance drivers
976
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,040
pleading with the
photographers to move back
977
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,360
because they weren't
giving them enough space
978
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,880
to get their injured person
out of the ambulance.
979
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,240
- I've come this close
to just beating people
980
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,320
within an inch of their
life for just being so,
981
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,200
either rude to me, or rude
to the subject matter.
982
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:15,760
Like, Jesus Christ, man.
983
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:17,720
Step back.
984
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,000
Give these people some
room, you know?
985
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,720
- And woe betide you if
you weren't concentrating
986
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,800
rather on your subject but
on keeping out of the way
987
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,680
of everyone else, you'd
be shouted at in,
988
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,200
you know, eight different
languages
989
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,800
to get your elbow out
of someone's picture.
990
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:52,040
And it was an incredible
sort of level of aggression,
991
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:53,480
and competition.
992
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,080
I left my cameras on
the ground once.
993
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:57,640
I thought someone was
watching them for me,
994
00:52:57,720 --> 00:52:58,960
I came back and found that
995
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:00,480
someone had fiddled
with the controls
996
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,800
and dialled the exposure
compensation to plus three,
997
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,720
so the next time I took some
pictures they were ruined.
998
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,880
(sighs)
999
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:13,480
- I don't know what I'd
do if I was young
1000
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,720
and I had to fight with inside
the business to survive.
1001
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,760
- And there's a certain
kind of respect
1002
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,120
that the photojournalists have,
1003
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,480
that when they go out
they are going there
1004
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,880
actually report on the
people, try to do some good.
1005
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:36,760
And then there are other
people who go there who just,
1006
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,640
out there for the bang
bang, you know,
1007
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:40,760
it becomes the war porn.
1008
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,880
- Photojournalism has
changed hugely over the years
1009
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,440
that I had either been trying
to become a photojournalist,
1010
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,120
or actively working as one.
1011
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:56,200
The whole myth, the whole
kind of romantic image,
1012
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,520
sort of purpose,
1013
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,880
has changed a lot and
been very diluted.
1014
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,520
So, it's become really sort of
1015
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,840
paparazzi for the
dead and dying,
1016
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,080
which kind of just leaves
1017
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:10,920
a pretty nasty taste
in your mouth.
1018
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,480
The situation in Lebanon
kind of traumatised me
1019
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:20,280
quite a lot, and I was
disgusted with the way
1020
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,480
that I'd seen the media
working there,
1021
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,320
and thinking I don't want
to be a news photographer,
1022
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,000
I don't want to be
involved in this industry.
1023
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:28,800
I certainly don't like
who I've become
1024
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,000
and I don't want to become
1025
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,520
anywhere near as bad
as that either.
1026
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,200
So I thought I'd pretty
much given up.
1027
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,760
But my brother who's
a British soldier
1028
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,160
was deployed to southern
Afghanistan to Helmand province
1029
00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:42,920
in April 2007.
1030
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,880
And I decided to have
one last ditch attempt
1031
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,120
at going to the front line
and taking pictures in combat.
1032
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:53,400
And it was kind of a, almost
literally a killer cure.
1033
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:54,880
I'll either get there and
it'll totally break me
1034
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,640
and I know that's the end,
or I'll be back on form,
1035
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:01,480
I'll make good pictures,
I'll earn money,
1036
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,240
and I'll realise this is
what I want to be doing.
1037
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,520
I pitched an idea to a
British magazine called Arena
1038
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,600
to do a story on two
brothers on the front line,
1039
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,920
one is photographer,
one is a soldier.
1040
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,560
And they jumped at the idea.
1041
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,000
In order to get the airfare,
1042
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,800
I sold my last remaining Leica,
1043
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,200
the camera that I'd shot all
the pictures in Colombia,
1044
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:23,960
I was very attached to it.
1045
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,560
But I was more attached
to getting my head sorted
1046
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:27,840
and moving forward.
1047
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,120
- Listen, don't mention the
war, I mentioned it once,
1048
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:36,800
but I think I got away
with it all right.
1049
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:37,960
(laughter)
So!
1050
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:39,120
It's all forgotten now --
1051
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,120
- We sat there one night
watching Faulty Towers
1052
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,040
on his portable DVD player
1053
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:45,600
when the Taliban decided to fire
1054
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,480
a 105 millimetre Chinese
rocket at us
1055
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,200
which hit the building
next to us and exploded.
1056
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:51,920
So we sort of glanced
at each other,
1057
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:53,480
pressed pause on the DVD player,
1058
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,480
put our body armour
and helmets on and,
1059
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,600
after saying, don't
mention the war,
1060
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,400
the classic Faulty Towers
line, we resumed play.
1061
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,400
On another patrol, I was
crouching down behind a wall
1062
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,280
with my brother and
suddenly I saw the ANA,
1063
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,800
the Afghan National
Army RPG gunner
1064
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,440
get up and run across
a piece of open ground,
1065
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,040
maybe 50 metres or so.
1066
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,360
The Taliban are down here
firing this way,
1067
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,480
the British soldiers are on
a rooftop firing this way.
1068
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,200
So I looked at my brother
and said, what do you think?
1069
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:24,600
Do you think I can make
it over there?
1070
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,120
And he's like, pfft,
1071
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,360
you can go if you like,
I'm staying put.
1072
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,160
And I, okay, I really,
really want this picture.
1073
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,560
So I sort of psyched myself
up, got ready,
1074
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,800
and sprinted across
all this rubble
1075
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,280
trying to sort of weave a bit
and all this kind of thing.
1076
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:42,200
And get down there, the
guy lifts up the RPG,
1077
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,040
click, click, click.
1078
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,840
On the next one the RPG fires.
(explosion)
1079
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,160
There's only one shot that
captures that split second.
1080
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,200
(intense music)
1081
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:05,280
- I think in Afghanistan,
1082
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:11,680
Jason had set himself
this impossible quest.
1083
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:17,680
To take the perfect image
which defined the war.
1084
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,360
- We were based in a patrol
base called Patrol Base One.
1085
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,560
Jason come out to be
embedded with us
1086
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,920
in around July, August time.
1087
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:35,000
Summer tour, which are always
renowned to be move violent
1088
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,840
and more extreme than
winter tours.
1089
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,360
You could say that
the summer tours
1090
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,960
were the start of
fighting season.
1091
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,680
(rapid gunfire)
1092
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,560
(continuous gunfire)
1093
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,360
(explosion)
1094
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,240
- [Male] Fucking Hell.
1095
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,880
- Why he'd want to come
out to our compound,
1096
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,720
to our patrol base, at
that time, I don't know.
1097
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:11,560
- Jason's an extraordinary
character.
1098
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:15,160
He would relish having
as much equipment
1099
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:16,840
as he possibly could.
1100
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,440
Extra pockets, zips, flaps,
body armour, a helmet,
1101
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:24,240
you name it, if there was a
gadget that Jason could carry,
1102
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,080
the chances are he'd have it.
1103
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:27,960
- He turned up, right,
and when I first seen him,
1104
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:28,920
and he was stood there,
1105
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,720
he had like an American
special forces helmet on,
1106
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,880
and a chest rig with ammo
pouches on the front.
1107
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,680
But him ammo pouches
didn't have ammunition in,
1108
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,680
and he wasn't carrying a rifle,
1109
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:44,400
he was carrying lenses and
various camera equipment.
1110
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:50,200
- When we were embedded with
soldiers in Afghanistan,
1111
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,960
I think Jason always felt
a very strong affinity
1112
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,400
with the troops, partly because
his brother's a soldier,
1113
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,120
partly because he's spent a
lot of time with the soldiers.
1114
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,040
He also operated with
a sense of admiration
1115
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:02,120
for what they did.
1116
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:06,520
(chuckling)
1117
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,280
- I get paid one way or
the other so I don't mind.
1118
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,160
Mine's for specific --
1119
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,800
- I got chatting to Jason when
he was in the patrol base.
1120
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,720
He was a interesting
character to say the least.
1121
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,080
A couple of the other freelancers
that were with him said,
1122
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,520
were sort of nudging him and
saying he's fucking nuts.
1123
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,000
(metal detector)
1124
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:32,800
Jason was keep to get out on
the patrols with the company
1125
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,680
and get out on the ground.
1126
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,680
He accompanied a few patrols out
1127
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,680
when they were maneuvering
through the AD clearance
1128
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,680
going on at the south
of the patrol base.
1129
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,200
(clanging)
1130
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:55,280
- Fire!
1131
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,720
(explosion)
1132
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:09,640
- I don't think the
public fully understand
1133
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,840
the severity of conflict
because they're,
1134
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,240
it's hidden from them.
1135
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:22,120
They only get certain
bits and pieces
1136
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,200
via mainstream media.
1137
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:29,040
They're not exposed to the
full severity of conflicts
1138
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,080
and what it involves.
1139
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,200
(popping)
1140
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,440
(yelling)
- Shot!
1141
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:36,840
- Man down!
- You all right?
1142
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:38,160
- Man down!
- Man down!
1143
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,600
- Man down!
- Man down!
1144
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:42,240
- [Soldier] Medic, get a medic!
1145
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,760
- [Soldier] It's not
me, mate, it's not me!
1146
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:51,360
- It's vital,
1147
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:55,400
if the general public are
funding the armed forces,
1148
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,720
that we do find out what happens
to our guys on the ground.
1149
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,800
And in this case, this
is completely unique.
1150
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,120
We've never been able
to before tell a story
1151
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:09,680
of a soldier sustaining
serious injury
1152
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:13,800
and also going through the
rehabilitation process.
1153
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:18,240
- In the final stages
of the attempts to
1154
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,040
get authorization from
the MoD for the pictures,
1155
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,520
the emails I received from them
1156
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,040
stated that the pictures,
1157
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,280
that the pictures of
Stephen on the ground,
1158
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,920
injured, had not been cleared,
1159
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,720
and that they did not
intend to clear them.
1160
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,240
- I'm really keen not
to give anyone an excuse
1161
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,240
to just impose their
personal feeling
1162
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,840
on the picture not
being used, and I,
1163
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,400
as long as the pictures are not
going to upset the casualty,
1164
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:57,720
which we've determined
they're not,
1165
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,200
and they're not going
to put anyone in danger,
1166
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,560
I'm not sure what the
other issue is
1167
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,400
that can be imposed on this.
1168
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,600
One thing that was mentioned
during the phone conversation
1169
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,640
was that in fact it
was the policy
1170
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:12,640
of the Ministry of Defence
1171
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,440
to not allow the publication
of images
1172
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,120
that show injuries to soldiers.
1173
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,160
He told me that the last
time that such images
1174
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:22,360
had been published would've
been about 30 years ago
1175
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,560
during the Falkland's conflict,
1176
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,960
and that basically the
Ministry of Defence
1177
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:28,680
would be pretty upset
1178
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,080
if the pictures that we
used were graphic.
1179
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:34,040
- British Ministry of Defence
1180
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,440
hides behind the argument
of privacy
1181
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,720
in order to prevent
British newspapers
1182
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:42,280
and British journalists
for any newspaper,
1183
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:46,720
any journalist from publishing
pictures of wounded soldiers
1184
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:50,600
because they argue that it's
the soldier's right to privacy.
1185
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,000
- And the argument
at this stage,
1186
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:58,080
since we now had the, we had
Stephen's approval to do that,
1187
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,720
was that it wasn't his
decision to make.
1188
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,840
So initially the argument
was that
1189
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:07,000
they were protecting
patient confidentiality,
1190
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:11,360
and now because the patient had
decided and signed a release
1191
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,480
stipulating that he was prepared
1192
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:16,120
to give up that confidentiality,
1193
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:20,800
then the reasons for not
publishing the pictures
1194
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,440
was changed.
1195
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:27,360
- The editor's concern
is for the --
1196
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,080
- Soldier?
- The casualty, the soldier.
1197
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:29,920
- Right.
1198
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:30,840
- And for the readers.
- Yeah.
1199
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:32,360
- I mean, he said that?
1200
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:33,160
- Yeah.
1201
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:34,840
- Okay, I mean, I have the
signed release in my bag,
1202
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,160
so he can be assured that
the casualty's happy.
1203
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,400
- So he's absolutely good to go.
1204
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,040
(ominous music)
1205
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,640
- Just because they tell
me that they have a policy,
1206
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,840
that doesn't mean I'm going
to accept it or agree with it.
1207
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:00,480
I do not work for the
Ministry of Defence,
1208
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:01,640
I do not work for
the government,
1209
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:06,600
my job is not just to show
the good side of things
1210
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,360
and the side that they
want to be shown,
1211
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,600
it is to show the reality of it.
1212
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,480
And that sometimes is messy.
1213
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,640
- What the MoD, the DOD,
whoever the fuck they are,
1214
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:21,560
Pentagon,
1215
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:24,240
doesn't want,
1216
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:30,680
they don't want war
to be unappetizing.
1217
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,200
It's got to remain good,
1218
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:36,520
because otherwise you can't
get people to join up anymore,
1219
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:38,000
there's no more draught.
1220
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:39,920
- Several months later,
1221
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:44,240
I received a request
from The Telegraph
1222
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,600
to return to Afghanistan
1223
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:50,760
to go on another embed
with Thomas Harding,
1224
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:52,720
the defence correspondent.
1225
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,480
- And pretty close to
the last minute,
1226
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:58,000
the MoD said no, you can't take
that photographer with you,
1227
01:04:58,080 --> 01:04:59,440
you can't take Jason, you can
take any other photographer,
1228
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:00,840
but apart from him.
1229
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:07,720
- Which would seem to rather
conflict with the assurance
1230
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:10,920
that their senior representative
1231
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,080
had previously sent
me in writing
1232
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:15,920
that there would be,
1233
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,360
that publishing those images
would have no negative effect
1234
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:21,440
on my future embed requests.
1235
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:27,080
- And if a journalist dares
to try and report information
1236
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,560
from the front line which
the Ministry of Defence
1237
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:32,520
is uncomfortable with,
in a number of cases,
1238
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:34,560
effectively blacklisted
journalists.
1239
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,720
- Jason was banned from going
to Afghanistan by the MoD
1240
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,360
which was, for a person who's
a great war photographer,
1241
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,080
quite a blow, I think.
1242
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:52,400
- The truth is is that the
British Ministry of Defence
1243
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:56,040
did not want the British
public to see pictures
1244
01:05:56,160 --> 01:06:00,480
of British soldiers being
wounded or killed in Afghanistan.
1245
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:04,560
And therefore they used the
agreements they had in place,
1246
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,880
and I'd say they abused the
agreements they had in place
1247
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:11,080
to make sure those pictures
rarely, if ever, got published.
1248
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:14,160
- It's a tribute to Jason,
1249
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,480
and it's a tribute to
Private Bainbridge,
1250
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:19,920
and it's a tribute to the
soldiers that helped both of them,
1251
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,480
that those images did
eventually come out.
1252
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:27,000
- I didn't compromise any
journalistic integrity,
1253
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:31,200
and I didn't allow the
work to be censored.
1254
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,920
And I didn't let down
any of the soldiers
1255
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:38,760
whose story I swore
I would tell.
1256
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,000
When I was there on the
ground with them,
1257
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:45,360
I promised them that I would
get that story published.
1258
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,520
And that's what I did.
1259
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:01,480
- Without a doubt, war
photography is an addiction.
1260
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,720
What really matters is how
you manage that addiction.
1261
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,280
There's definitely two
faces to Jason.
1262
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,320
When he's on the job,
he's very serious,
1263
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,760
very hardworking,
he's no bullshit.
1264
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:21,640
When he's not on the job,
he's kind of a clown.
1265
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:23,120
Which I love about him.
1266
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:26,480
I love the fact that he can
put on both of those hats
1267
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,320
and not have to carry
this whole persona
1268
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,280
as a war photographer,
although he does.
1269
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:33,920
Don't get me wrong.
1270
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:35,520
- Why did this big fat
dude come here?
1271
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:37,000
- [Woman] We need
to have a toast.
1272
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:39,360
- [Man] Stop fiddling with
your cellphone watching poetry.
1273
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,000
- [Eros] I'd go anywhere
with Jason
1274
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:42,640
except to a cocktail party.
1275
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:47,600
(laughing)
1276
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:53,880
- The thing is though I was
like so completely off my face
1277
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:54,720
that I was thinking --
1278
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:56,680
- The survivor's euphoria
is great.
1279
01:07:57,960 --> 01:07:59,320
Until it's not.
1280
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:01,760
But decompressing.
1281
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:08,520
Drugs and alcohol is
the obvious one.
1282
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,800
(discordant music)
1283
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,080
- I think perhaps as
much of a thrill seeker
1284
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:20,000
in his private life as he
is in his profession life,
1285
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:24,680
as a photographer, his social
life was often as fast paced,
1286
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,400
and some would even
say as dangerous
1287
01:08:27,480 --> 01:08:29,560
or as risky as his
professional life.
1288
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,600
- I told him this many
times, I said,
1289
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:33,640
you're safer in Afghanistan
being shot at
1290
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:35,240
than you are here in Bangkok
1291
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:37,320
because of the way you're
behaving here.
1292
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,080
- We've decided it's better
to leave on a high note,
1293
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,400
so, let's go and get high.
1294
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:47,000
Or drunk as the case may be.
1295
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:48,680
Just in case Mum's watching.
1296
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:54,640
- He'd drink everything,
he'd fuck everything,
1297
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:56,440
he'd snort everything and
then he'd just wake up
1298
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:58,720
like an angry bear and then
he'd just do it all over again,
1299
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,840
I mean it was just insane,
and I would tell him,
1300
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:02,680
you cannot keep doing
this to yourself,
1301
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:04,000
it's just out of control.
1302
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:07,920
- As has happened in the past
1303
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:10,000
when I've bene in places
like Thailand
1304
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:11,400
and I've been partying too hard
1305
01:09:11,480 --> 01:09:12,720
and I've looked in the
mirror and thought,
1306
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,120
if I keep on like this,
1307
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,040
my friend Roger Arnold
is probably gonna be
1308
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:20,160
coming around and identifying
my corpse next week.
1309
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:24,320
So it's time to call the
airline, change that flight,
1310
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:27,920
and get back to that wonderful
detox zone, Afghanistan.
1311
01:09:30,440 --> 01:09:33,600
(contemplative music)
1312
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:37,320
Because of the teachings
of the Jehovah's Witness'
1313
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:39,920
I was brought up to have
no fear of death,
1314
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:44,200
and that's one thing that I am
actually really grateful for.
1315
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:46,800
Whilst I would,
1316
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,800
obviously I'm concerned about
getting seriously injured
1317
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:51,720
and having to live
with a disability
1318
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,720
or missing limbs or something
like that,
1319
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:59,800
the idea that when I'm dead,
that's it, it's the end,
1320
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:02,720
which is quite liberating.
1321
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:04,720
I can't imagine what it would
be like to be a Catholic
1322
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:06,480
and be worrying that perhaps
1323
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:09,640
I'm gonna have to somehow
pay for all of these mistakes
1324
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:12,160
that I've made and all
of the bad behaviour
1325
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,000
over the last however
many years.
1326
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:18,160
And it just makes
me think, well,
1327
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:21,440
should be enjoying every
moment up until
1328
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:23,240
the moment that the
lights go out.
1329
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,200
(sinister music)
1330
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:31,080
Karen Woo was a good friend
of Jason's, she was a doctor.
1331
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:34,960
- Who gave up a very
good job in the UK
1332
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:38,400
to go out to Afghanistan
and work as a volunteer
1333
01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:40,640
to set up a sort of medical camp
1334
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,160
in the mountains of Nuristan
to help out the locals
1335
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:46,720
who had no access to
medical facilities.
1336
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:51,000
She was one of these people
that lights any place
1337
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,800
and any situation up with
her personality.
1338
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:57,640
But the problem with living
in a place like Afghanistan
1339
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:01,640
and with being involved in
a profession like this one
1340
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,320
is that there's always bad news.
1341
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:08,800
- She was murdered in
northeastern Afghanistan
1342
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:12,920
by the Taliban, and that
really broke Jason up.
1343
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,640
- However on the evening
of that day
1344
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:17,920
that the news had come in.
1345
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,800
- We were having a small party
at his rented house in Kabul.
1346
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,840
- Induced by a fair
amount of alcohol
1347
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:28,760
I basically had a
bit of a meltdown
1348
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:30,840
and ended up kind of sobbing,
1349
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:32,440
and I remember Eros
putting his arms around me
1350
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:34,880
and telling me that he
knew, he knew about loss,
1351
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:36,520
he knew how I felt.
1352
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:37,880
- And Jason's just like,
1353
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:39,960
losing it, and he
just broke down
1354
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,800
and just started weeping
in my lap.
1355
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:46,080
He was just like, like
a child all of a sudden.
1356
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:51,160
- This is how kind of the
grief and emotions come out,
1357
01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:52,520
they don't,
1358
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:56,920
they don't come out in the
moment of receiving the news,
1359
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,000
because there is an
element of shock,
1360
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:01,600
or an element of having
really just
1361
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:04,920
learned how to control
your emotions,
1362
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,240
because you are consistently
witnessing
1363
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:09,760
negative and traumatic things.
1364
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,840
- It was just the beginning of,
1365
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:17,680
the end, let's say, of
a stage of Jason's life
1366
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:21,160
where he was really
beginning to understand
1367
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:26,240
that he's got to, he's
gotta make some changes
1368
01:12:27,440 --> 01:12:32,440
if he is to keep any kind
of content, happy future.
1369
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:38,120
Oh, there's no doubt about it
1370
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:41,040
that Jason suffers from
post-traumatic stress.
1371
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:44,400
Without a doubt, and I know
that because I suffer from it.
1372
01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:48,160
I see it so easily, in
him, and many people.
1373
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:50,240
The post-traumatic
stress is deeply rooted.
1374
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:54,720
It comes from before
the war photography.
1375
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:59,800
- I think the subjects he's
chosen to get involved with
1376
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:04,360
have overtaken him,
overcome him.
1377
01:13:05,440 --> 01:13:07,680
(crickets)
1378
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:26,600
- Being exposed to so much
trauma in our adult lives
1379
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:30,560
has just intensified it
all, and brought it up in,
1380
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:32,840
and maybe it's a really
good thing
1381
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:34,320
because it's brought
it up in a way
1382
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:36,400
that it's easily identifiable
now.
1383
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,440
(sombre music)
1384
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:45,680
- How could he not be
suffering from PTSD?
1385
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:49,640
I mean I think, he would
not be human if he wasn't.
1386
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,160
And he's pretty human,
he's extra human.
1387
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:57,840
- Going to conflict areas
and hostile environments
1388
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,640
and witnessing high
levels of trauma,
1389
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:04,560
you're not gonna come
back the same person,
1390
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:05,960
and that's a fucking fact.
1391
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:12,960
- Despite all his bravado
and war stuff,
1392
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:14,160
he's a pretty sensitive guy.
1393
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:16,440
I think he takes things
pretty hard, too, sometimes,
1394
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:18,240
and I think the stuff
that he's seen
1395
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,240
and things have happened
to him in other wars,
1396
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:22,440
and he's had some close
calls, I think it's,
1397
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:24,720
I think it's had a
pretty heavy toll on him.
1398
01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:29,320
(unnerving music)
1399
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:38,280
- The damage done...
1400
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:43,520
Distracts you from
a lot of purpose.
1401
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:46,680
It,
1402
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:53,040
makes you look for strange
escape routes.
1403
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:59,000
- You can run from your
demons until you're exhausted,
1404
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,240
but one day you'll have to stop
1405
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:02,800
and find out what they wanted.
1406
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,120
So the only option for me really
1407
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:07,160
was a complete lifestyle change.
1408
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:12,840
Probably for many years
I've been running from
1409
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:14,320
one set of demons or another,
1410
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:17,240
and quite often the next
situation that you're in
1411
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:20,240
just creates a whole
load of new demons.
1412
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:23,560
But the key really to
winning any fight
1413
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:26,200
is choosing the battleground.
1414
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:28,840
So this is one of the
main motivations
1415
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:30,520
for moving to Andalusia,
1416
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:33,960
so that I could pick and
choose the time and place
1417
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:35,280
when I would deal with
these demons,
1418
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:38,160
as opposed to trying
to deal with them
1419
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:40,320
in a war zone or something
like that.
1420
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:41,760
Or,
1421
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,000
maybe in the sort of,
1422
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:47,440
cycle of ways I'd had
of dealing with things.
1423
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,360
Maybe going to Thailand
for three months a year
1424
01:15:50,440 --> 01:15:52,520
and just drinking and
partying and so on,
1425
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:55,560
and trying to get some sort of,
1426
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:57,600
well I thought trying to
get some kind of head space
1427
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:00,040
from dealing with the
problems of the war zones.
1428
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:01,080
But of course just creating
1429
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:03,600
a whole new set of
problems, really.
1430
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,000
- I was enormously fortunate,
1431
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:08,600
when I had PTSD or was
diagnosed with PTSD
1432
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:11,760
that I was a staff
correspondent.
1433
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:15,720
I was able to get medical
treatment,
1434
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:17,920
I was off work for six months,
1435
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:20,600
all of those things
were given to me.
1436
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:25,520
That would not happen with a
freelancer, it's much harder.
1437
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:30,280
- When I first got here,
1438
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:35,200
this was in the months
immediately after the IED strike
1439
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:37,640
in Helmand.
1440
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:39,840
I was stressing a lot about
1441
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:41,680
whether I was gonna be
able to get permission
1442
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:44,960
to publish the pictures
of the wounded soldier,
1443
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:46,600
pictures that I felt
very strongly about
1444
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:48,360
because I was aware that
they were really
1445
01:16:48,440 --> 01:16:50,560
the only ones of a wounded
British soldier
1446
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:52,320
still on the battlefield.
1447
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:56,320
And I didn't want to ever
be left with the feeling
1448
01:16:56,400 --> 01:17:00,040
that I'd taken those
epic risks that day,
1449
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:02,280
in particular, to get
those pictures,
1450
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:05,400
and then no one was ever
gonna see them.
1451
01:17:05,480 --> 01:17:09,280
They were going to be basically
censored out by the MoD.
1452
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,160
So the pattern of life has
changed here a lot really
1453
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:16,840
because when I first got here,
1454
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,040
I wasn't particularly healthy,
1455
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:23,080
and I certainly wasn't dealing
with any of those demons
1456
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:24,480
at that stage.
1457
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:26,520
I was really creating new ones.
1458
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:31,600
My nights were kind of
pretty regularly disturbed
1459
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:33,240
by nightmares.
1460
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:36,240
Generally,
1461
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:38,680
I could never really
identify anything specific
1462
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:41,440
in the nightmare, so
it wasn't, for example,
1463
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:46,160
I would be witnessing
the IED strike
1464
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:48,040
when Bainbridge lost
his legs, for example,
1465
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:49,240
or anything like that.
1466
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:53,200
They were nearly always kind
of hypothetical situations,
1467
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:56,560
and generally involved
a situation
1468
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:58,800
that I needed to escape from or,
1469
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:02,160
a situation where
I was fighting.
1470
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:06,160
In my nightmares I used to
kill quite a lot of people.
1471
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:09,600
I used to quite regularly
kill my brother
1472
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:11,400
by crushing his head with rocks.
1473
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:14,760
All sorts of like, really, just,
1474
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:16,120
dreadful, frightening
things, really.
1475
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:19,760
You just wake up sort of
in a cold sweat, shaking,
1476
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:22,440
and exhausted, when you
woke up in the morning
1477
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:23,800
with your neck and
shoulders aching
1478
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:25,480
because you'd spent
all night fighting
1479
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:27,680
and struggling and
trying to escape.
1480
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:31,600
And they have gradually
diminished.
1481
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:34,720
I now just kind of have
really weird dreams.
1482
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:36,160
Like last night I dreamt
1483
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:37,680
I was in the British
Prime Minister's house
1484
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:41,080
giving him some advice
on interior decorating.
1485
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:43,920
And for some reason he had
a picture of me on the wall.
1486
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,120
So yeah, be interesting to see
1487
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:48,560
what the psychotherapist
has to say about that.
1488
01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:56,400
The problems I had were that
I couldn't really switch off
1489
01:18:57,240 --> 01:19:02,000
from thinking about my
security and my safety
1490
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:03,240
and that kind of thing because,
1491
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:06,480
it's been 12 years really
that I spent living in places
1492
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:09,680
like Iraq and Afghanistan
and Colombia and so on.
1493
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:13,520
Places where loud noises
in the night
1494
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:17,560
are generally a precursor
to something bad happening.
1495
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:26,240
So one of the big things
that really made
1496
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:29,480
a great difference here
was having the dogs.
1497
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:32,800
When I first got here, if
they barked in the night,
1498
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:35,240
I would get up and go
out with a flashlight
1499
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:37,400
and have a look around
and see what it was.
1500
01:19:37,480 --> 01:19:40,760
And I was very,
1501
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:42,600
well, still very much
sort of paranoid
1502
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:44,320
and on edge a lot, all the time.
1503
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:47,920
At one stage I was actually
even sleeping on the balcony
1504
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:51,080
outside because it meant I
could come into the house,
1505
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:54,760
I could close the door,
I could then go upstairs,
1506
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:58,400
which is the furthest away
from the obvious entry points,
1507
01:19:58,480 --> 01:20:01,240
and I could then go outside
and lock another set of doors
1508
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:02,320
and then sleep on the balcony.
1509
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:04,360
So that if something
bad happened,
1510
01:20:04,440 --> 01:20:05,960
all I've got to do is
drop off the balcony
1511
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:07,880
and sort of head off
into the bushes.
1512
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,400
(panting)
1513
01:20:11,480 --> 01:20:12,480
Here you go.
1514
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:21,200
Taking away all of the
emotional crutches,
1515
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:22,720
or I don't know if they're
emotional crutches,
1516
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:26,160
but they're just crutches
that help you get through,
1517
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:29,120
through stuff, whether that
is drinking, or smoking,
1518
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:31,920
or taking drugs, or whatever
it is you do
1519
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:34,360
to distract you away from
actually dealing with
1520
01:20:34,440 --> 01:20:37,080
the issue at hand, once
you take all those away,
1521
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:38,920
the only thing you're left with
1522
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,160
is the problems and
dealing with them.
1523
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:45,280
Your emotions are now,
like, really sharp,
1524
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:49,440
and you're gonna start having
normal reactions to things.
1525
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:51,440
And that's quite hard
to deal with,
1526
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:52,960
because if you've
had several years
1527
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:55,760
of emotional reaction
management,
1528
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:57,400
and you've become
an expert in it,
1529
01:20:57,480 --> 01:21:00,400
to suddenly start having
feelings again is pretty,
1530
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:04,440
is a difficult situation
to deal with.
1531
01:21:12,440 --> 01:21:15,840
Your emotional release
will sometimes come
1532
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:17,080
when you're least expecting it.
1533
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:19,960
I would find it would come
in the most insane times,
1534
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:23,360
be watching a chick flick,
eyes are welling up with tears,
1535
01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:25,680
and your Adam's apple's
bobbing up and down.
1536
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:28,560
Or Lassie dies at the end
of the film or something
1537
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:30,400
and you're like, bawling
your eyes out.
1538
01:21:30,480 --> 01:21:31,320
And people are looking at you
1539
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:33,720
as thought you're completely
mad, which,
1540
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:35,880
clearly, I was.
1541
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:39,200
But back then I couldn't
really understand
1542
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:40,560
why those things were happening.
1543
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:42,360
I think also it takes
a long time
1544
01:21:42,440 --> 01:21:44,160
to get those emotions
back in balance.
1545
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:48,080
And I wouldn't say certainly
now that they're in balance,
1546
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:51,680
but they will at last be
heading in the right direction.
1547
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:54,840
(laughing)
1548
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:57,960
Too many kisses, too
much love, too much love.
1549
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:04,480
(contemplative instrumental
music)
1550
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,920
- I think his Colombian
work, it was his best,
1551
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:14,960
it was really incredible.
1552
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:19,200
And that one image encapsulates
his whole entire career
1553
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:22,880
before he even had a career,
oddly enough.
1554
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:24,200
It's almost in reverse.
1555
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:27,600
- One of the things that
has motivated me
1556
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:30,000
in my photography, and
still does motivate me,
1557
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:31,640
and would make me perhaps
want to go back
1558
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:34,800
and do that kind of work
again once I've got myself
1559
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:38,200
in a better mental and
emotional place and so on,
1560
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:41,040
is that I really love the
idea of shaking people
1561
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:44,000
out of their horrible
little insulated bubbles.
1562
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:49,560
(yelling in foreign language)
1563
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:03,880
(camera shutter)
1564
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:15,520
(camera shutter)
1565
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:22,880
(camera shutter)
1566
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:26,000
- [Male] Come on, man,
show me the tat.
1567
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:27,800
- No, it's too cold.
1568
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:28,800
- [Male] You got a t-shirt on.
1569
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:29,640
- No!
1570
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:31,920
I've got a long sleeve
thermal fleece.
1571
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:33,240
Oh, microphone.
1572
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:37,160
Just because at least
one person's gotten,
1573
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:39,360
what the fuck is going
on with me?
1574
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:45,880
And it's clear that you can
see it's going to be Harold.
1575
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:48,880
Right.
1576
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:51,800
There it is, right, that's it.
1577
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:53,360
- [Male] Hold on
hold on hold on.
1578
01:23:55,480 --> 01:23:57,840
- The tattoo you want,
I gotta stay warm.
1579
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:01,800
- [Male] That's fine,
you can do that.
1580
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:03,800
- [Jason] Who says
I'm not normal?
1581
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:10,720
- Thank you, Jason.
1582
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:12,840
- You get to post some extras.
1583
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:15,640
Well, you've met Harold.
1584
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:19,400
(gentle instrumental music)
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