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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,327 --> 00:00:02,994 (intense music) 2 00:00:03,950 --> 00:00:07,224 (birds squawking) 3 00:00:07,248 --> 00:00:09,665 (soft music) 4 00:01:06,670 --> 00:01:09,813 - Pagans promoted homosexual acts, 5 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:12,296 and let's have a look at it. 6 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:16,573 Leviticus 18:22, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind", 7 00:01:16,597 --> 00:01:18,140 "as with womankind." 8 00:01:18,164 --> 00:01:19,776 "It is an abomination." 9 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,063 So they had a law governing this. 10 00:01:59,100 --> 00:02:00,906 - They shall surely be put to death. 11 00:02:00,930 --> 00:02:02,186 Their blood shall be upon them, 12 00:02:02,210 --> 00:02:04,796 and that my friend is the cure for AIDS. 13 00:02:04,820 --> 00:02:07,416 It was right there in the Bible all along. 14 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,399 And they're out spending billions of dollars 15 00:02:09,423 --> 00:02:11,286 on research and testing. 16 00:02:11,310 --> 00:02:14,216 It's curable, right there. 17 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,386 Because if you executed the homos like God recommends, 18 00:02:17,410 --> 00:02:19,453 you wouldn't have all this AIDS running rampant. 19 00:02:19,477 --> 00:02:20,766 "See, well I just don't believe that." 20 00:02:20,790 --> 00:02:22,913 - I don't care what the news media pushes 21 00:02:22,937 --> 00:02:25,516 and what the public school has to say, 22 00:02:25,540 --> 00:02:30,540 this Bible said marriage is between a male and female! 23 00:02:31,192 --> 00:02:32,692 - [Audience] Yeah! 24 00:02:43,483 --> 00:02:44,483 - Praise be! 25 00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:48,306 I was meant to tell you in the mid-90's, 26 00:02:48,330 --> 00:02:51,173 about '94, '95, no later than that, 27 00:02:53,660 --> 00:02:57,090 God will destroy the homosexual community of America. 28 00:03:07,410 --> 00:03:11,526 - There's such a generation gap in the world today. 29 00:03:11,550 --> 00:03:13,296 You're not from my world, 30 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,236 and I'm not from yours. 31 00:03:15,260 --> 00:03:18,396 That's why my generation thinks we need 32 00:03:18,420 --> 00:03:21,226 a constitutional amendment to protect the sanctity 33 00:03:21,250 --> 00:03:23,587 of marriage that guarantees that in America 34 00:03:25,189 --> 00:03:27,436 the only marriage to be recognized 35 00:03:27,460 --> 00:03:30,960 is the marriage between a man and a woman. 36 00:03:37,700 --> 00:03:40,383 - [Sally] In my opinion, the homosexual agenda 37 00:03:40,407 --> 00:03:43,806 is a bigger threat than terrorism. 38 00:03:43,830 --> 00:03:47,346 The homosexual agenda is destroying people's lives. 39 00:03:47,370 --> 00:03:49,456 More people have died from AIDS 40 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,086 than have died from a terrorist attack 41 00:03:51,110 --> 00:03:52,203 here in America. 42 00:04:11,905 --> 00:04:12,715 - [Oral Roberts] I go to church too, 43 00:04:12,739 --> 00:04:15,763 but you know it didn't make me queer. 44 00:04:17,290 --> 00:04:19,763 And I wouldn't buy that 100%. 45 00:04:21,770 --> 00:04:24,686 Please erase that from the tape. 46 00:04:24,710 --> 00:04:26,210 Let's edit that out, will you? 47 00:04:46,350 --> 00:04:50,716 - Woo, 1995 Oklahoma, gay's not good. 48 00:04:50,740 --> 00:04:53,326 You don't go shopping together. 49 00:04:53,350 --> 00:04:58,053 You don't necessarily go out and eat frequently together. 50 00:04:59,840 --> 00:05:02,356 You have to be careful. 51 00:05:02,380 --> 00:05:03,926 - Even with this bright lighting right here 52 00:05:03,950 --> 00:05:06,766 on this front porch, you can see that the vandals managed 53 00:05:06,790 --> 00:05:08,796 to still light the front of this truck on fire, 54 00:05:08,820 --> 00:05:10,956 threatening they'll be back. 55 00:05:10,980 --> 00:05:12,916 That same night, it may be a little tough to see, 56 00:05:12,940 --> 00:05:16,336 but you can see that the wrote on the garage, CMG, 57 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:17,496 but that wasn't enough. 58 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:18,736 Let's take a bigger look right here. 59 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:20,446 You can see in the big white writing. 60 00:05:20,470 --> 00:05:24,906 It says, gay must go and it's all over the home. 61 00:05:24,930 --> 00:05:28,046 A charred truck threats I'll be back, 62 00:05:28,070 --> 00:05:30,926 and in bigger writing for everyone to see, 63 00:05:30,950 --> 00:05:32,706 gay must go. 64 00:05:32,730 --> 00:05:35,186 The message is clear for Robert Stotler. 65 00:05:35,210 --> 00:05:38,626 He's the gay man that lives behind these walls. 66 00:05:38,650 --> 00:05:40,556 - [Robert] This is a big advertisement, 67 00:05:40,580 --> 00:05:42,676 telling me I must leave. 68 00:05:42,700 --> 00:05:43,986 - [Reporter] He doesn't wanna leave, 69 00:05:44,010 --> 00:05:46,776 but Robert says he has no choice. 70 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,256 The state won't protect him. 71 00:05:48,280 --> 00:05:50,576 - Right now, I live in fear. 72 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,183 I cannot live in this house. 73 00:05:56,930 --> 00:06:00,133 My partner and I had a rent house in East Tulsa. 74 00:06:00,157 --> 00:06:01,276 We had just gotten together, 75 00:06:01,300 --> 00:06:03,579 so he still had stuff in it, 76 00:06:03,603 --> 00:06:05,916 but we had another friend of ours stay in it. 77 00:06:05,940 --> 00:06:07,756 The neighborhood I guess had gotten tired 78 00:06:07,780 --> 00:06:09,606 of our other friend staying there. 79 00:06:09,630 --> 00:06:12,766 - Even though this vandalism isn't considered a hate crime 80 00:06:12,790 --> 00:06:14,716 under the Oklahoma State Statute, 81 00:06:14,740 --> 00:06:16,505 if it were, it would carry anywhere 82 00:06:16,529 --> 00:06:19,181 between one to 10 years in prison 83 00:06:19,205 --> 00:06:21,106 with a very hefty fine. 84 00:06:21,130 --> 00:06:23,706 But for right now, it's just vandalism, 85 00:06:23,730 --> 00:06:26,146 and that could only carry about six months in jail 86 00:06:26,170 --> 00:06:27,526 and a $500 fine. 87 00:06:27,550 --> 00:06:31,815 - In 1995, there wasn't a place in Tulsa, 88 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,396 where gay people or transgender people 89 00:06:35,420 --> 00:06:40,420 or females, there was not a place 90 00:06:40,830 --> 00:06:43,226 where you could be who you were 91 00:06:43,250 --> 00:06:47,176 and freely express yourself spiritually. 92 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:51,386 There was no, gay people could not go and hold hands 93 00:06:51,410 --> 00:06:53,496 and be in the pews and worship God 94 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,173 without judgment following. 95 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:04,440 There was, in 1995 there wasn't a place 96 00:07:05,050 --> 00:07:07,486 where you could be yourself and worship 97 00:07:07,510 --> 00:07:09,163 as as gay person. 98 00:07:15,009 --> 00:07:20,009 - I had received several comments in previous churches 99 00:07:20,150 --> 00:07:21,706 that I had attended here, 100 00:07:21,730 --> 00:07:23,666 and it probably played into one of the reasons 101 00:07:23,690 --> 00:07:26,733 why I decided to stop going to church all together, 102 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,716 because I really did not feel 103 00:07:29,740 --> 00:07:32,066 that I should be alienated 104 00:07:32,090 --> 00:07:33,446 or that I should not attend church 105 00:07:33,470 --> 00:07:37,786 because of the way that I am. 106 00:07:37,810 --> 00:07:39,696 I believe God has created me 107 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,426 in his marvelous design, 108 00:07:42,450 --> 00:07:46,746 and so I felt personally that if the church 109 00:07:46,770 --> 00:07:48,513 was not going to accept me, 110 00:07:48,537 --> 00:07:52,253 then I was not gonna be affiliated with them. 111 00:07:55,910 --> 00:07:57,516 - Coming from back east, 112 00:07:57,540 --> 00:08:01,486 Tulsa is a very conservative church town. 113 00:08:01,510 --> 00:08:03,756 There's all these churches I've never heard of. 114 00:08:03,780 --> 00:08:05,326 I didn't even know what a Baptist Church was 115 00:08:05,350 --> 00:08:06,350 until I moved here. 116 00:08:15,890 --> 00:08:20,890 - I haven't seen an anti-gay situation directly. 117 00:08:23,291 --> 00:08:25,746 It's not directed at me, 118 00:08:25,770 --> 00:08:27,516 but I have seen the attitudes 119 00:08:27,540 --> 00:08:30,906 and comments said around that 120 00:08:30,930 --> 00:08:33,036 have led me to believe that I can't open up 121 00:08:33,060 --> 00:08:34,133 and be who I am. 122 00:08:37,003 --> 00:08:38,936 - When I came to Oklahoma, 123 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:40,850 it seemed somewhat backwards 124 00:08:42,869 --> 00:08:45,496 and just to be able to walk into a grocery store 125 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:46,536 and buy a bottle of wine, 126 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:48,046 that was unheard of. 127 00:08:48,070 --> 00:08:49,356 You had to go to a liquor store. 128 00:08:49,380 --> 00:08:52,636 I had been traveling with this gospel group. 129 00:08:52,660 --> 00:08:55,686 I had been going to these churches. 130 00:08:55,710 --> 00:08:58,296 I was dealing with the whole gay issue. 131 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,616 I was not really out of the closet. 132 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:05,640 I still had, was fearful going to Oral Roberts University. 133 00:09:05,910 --> 00:09:09,676 Of course, you couldn't go the bars and dance. 134 00:09:09,700 --> 00:09:12,606 They had their advisors there at the door. 135 00:09:12,630 --> 00:09:14,946 I was asked, 136 00:09:14,970 --> 00:09:17,656 it was to be a technical director 137 00:09:17,680 --> 00:09:20,096 for this production company, 138 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,886 and the position was filled. 139 00:09:22,910 --> 00:09:26,533 And so they asked, "How about if we incorporated you" 140 00:09:26,557 --> 00:09:30,296 "into a team of dancers?" 141 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,306 And they asked me to dance. 142 00:09:32,330 --> 00:09:36,576 And so I danced. 143 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,643 And after it, they came to me and said, 144 00:09:39,667 --> 00:09:44,667 "It just seems to me that you are wrestling with something." 145 00:09:45,337 --> 00:09:48,923 "We noticed that when you danced," 146 00:09:51,317 --> 00:09:54,293 "we just don't think that you are a good match" 147 00:09:54,317 --> 00:09:56,023 "for the organization," 148 00:09:58,111 --> 00:10:01,633 "and we think you're wrestling with issues." 149 00:10:01,657 --> 00:10:02,766 "Is that correct?" 150 00:10:02,790 --> 00:10:04,756 And I knew what they were talking about. 151 00:10:04,780 --> 00:10:08,776 And because of that, 152 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,676 they felt it would be infectious 153 00:10:11,700 --> 00:10:13,696 for me to be involved with the group, 154 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,426 that somehow maybe I would be an influence 155 00:10:17,450 --> 00:10:19,536 on the other artists. 156 00:10:19,560 --> 00:10:20,676 That's what I got. 157 00:10:20,700 --> 00:10:22,050 They didn't have to say it. 158 00:10:22,990 --> 00:10:24,936 That's how they said it, 159 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,283 that I just seemed to be wrestling with something, 160 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,746 and they kinda left it at that. 161 00:10:31,770 --> 00:10:35,580 And so I left a little bit upset 162 00:10:35,604 --> 00:10:40,604 that I was not able to be a part of this organization 163 00:10:40,930 --> 00:10:42,386 because of the way I danced. 164 00:10:42,410 --> 00:10:43,410 Come on. 165 00:10:44,580 --> 00:10:47,976 - I had a lot of self-hatred, 166 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:48,810 because I just thought, 167 00:10:48,834 --> 00:10:50,243 "I'm doing everything I'm supposed to do," 168 00:10:50,267 --> 00:10:54,277 "and yet I can't overcome my sexuality, my homosexuality." 169 00:10:55,500 --> 00:10:58,796 - I grew up as a Baptist for the first 30 years 170 00:10:58,820 --> 00:10:59,630 of my life. 171 00:10:59,654 --> 00:11:01,416 A pretty serious Baptist, 'cause my grandma lived 172 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,086 down the street and cousins across the street, 173 00:11:04,110 --> 00:11:07,646 and we just went every time the door was open. 174 00:11:07,670 --> 00:11:09,536 But in my 20s 175 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:14,536 when I discover that I'm gay 176 00:11:14,560 --> 00:11:18,856 and it's really hard being gay and being a Baptist, 177 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,026 so I had basically had quit going to church, 178 00:11:22,050 --> 00:11:27,050 because my sexuality and my spiritualness 179 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,696 could not fit into one hand. 180 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,653 I think that it was just always something on your mind. 181 00:11:34,590 --> 00:11:36,356 I worked at a corporation, 182 00:11:36,380 --> 00:11:40,876 so you don't take your partner to the Christmas party. 183 00:11:40,900 --> 00:11:42,756 My parents were another generation. 184 00:11:42,780 --> 00:11:44,696 My parents were born in the '20s. 185 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,496 I didn't share with my parents my sexuality. 186 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,576 I didn't feel that it was safe to do that. 187 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,626 Funny little things, when you sit down in the chair 188 00:11:53,650 --> 00:11:55,656 to get your hair done. 189 00:11:55,680 --> 00:11:58,386 I've probably colored my hair at times 190 00:11:58,410 --> 00:12:01,846 when if it wouldn't be perceived 191 00:12:01,870 --> 00:12:05,076 that I was gay, I probably wouldn't have colored. 192 00:12:05,100 --> 00:12:06,976 So you do things, you do things. 193 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,123 You do funny things. 194 00:12:10,085 --> 00:12:12,526 - I was going through counseling 195 00:12:12,550 --> 00:12:14,316 and being prayed over and therapy 196 00:12:14,340 --> 00:12:17,206 to kind work through my homosexuality, 197 00:12:17,230 --> 00:12:18,706 and through a series of events, 198 00:12:18,730 --> 00:12:20,726 it just was not working. 199 00:12:20,750 --> 00:12:22,816 And finally I remember, I just broke down 200 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:23,707 and started crying, 201 00:12:23,731 --> 00:12:26,963 and I just said, "God, I cannot do this anymore." 202 00:12:26,987 --> 00:12:28,203 "I'm done." 203 00:12:28,227 --> 00:12:30,453 "If you want to change me, you've gotta do it." 204 00:12:30,477 --> 00:12:32,643 "But I'm not putting any more effort into this." 205 00:12:32,667 --> 00:12:36,216 "I'm done, 'cause I can't do it anymore." 206 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,870 And it was almost like this boulder fell off of me, 207 00:12:39,894 --> 00:12:41,566 because that was something I was carrying around. 208 00:12:41,590 --> 00:12:43,276 It wasn't God put it on me. 209 00:12:43,300 --> 00:12:45,363 It was something I was carrying, I didn't know it. 210 00:12:49,341 --> 00:12:51,706 There was like a freedom of okay, 211 00:12:51,730 --> 00:12:53,846 now we've kinda gotten past that. 212 00:12:53,870 --> 00:12:58,306 - We tend to wanna separate our sexuality 213 00:12:58,330 --> 00:13:00,616 from our Christianity. 214 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,646 And that's really hard to do, 215 00:13:02,670 --> 00:13:06,413 because it's not something that you separate. 216 00:13:07,890 --> 00:13:09,949 Being gay and being Christian is one thing. 217 00:13:09,973 --> 00:13:13,016 It's not two different personalities you're living. 218 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,546 But yet back in 1995, that's what you were doing. 219 00:13:16,570 --> 00:13:19,446 You were living one life as a gay person 220 00:13:19,470 --> 00:13:21,306 and another life as a Christian. 221 00:13:21,330 --> 00:13:23,633 And there was nothing there to say, 222 00:13:23,657 --> 00:13:25,343 "Hey, let's bring this stuff together" 223 00:13:25,367 --> 00:13:27,274 "and just be yourself" 224 00:13:27,298 --> 00:13:30,186 "without having this duality of personalities." 225 00:13:30,210 --> 00:13:31,806 - Scripture has been used for so much abuse 226 00:13:31,830 --> 00:13:34,926 in the history of the world, and it's sad. 227 00:13:34,950 --> 00:13:36,746 Because there's so many scriptures you can pick out 228 00:13:36,770 --> 00:13:40,776 and pretty much clobber anybody for anything. 229 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:41,886 But I think if you do that, 230 00:13:41,910 --> 00:13:42,986 you're missing the essence 231 00:13:43,010 --> 00:13:46,166 of what Christianity is supposed to be 232 00:13:46,190 --> 00:13:48,046 and what Christ's teachings were. 233 00:13:48,070 --> 00:13:51,336 - Dealing with homosexuality is also dealing 234 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,846 with people's intimate sexuality themselves. 235 00:13:54,870 --> 00:13:58,156 And people aren't used to dealing with that in public. 236 00:13:58,180 --> 00:13:59,067 That's private. 237 00:13:59,091 --> 00:14:01,586 That's intimate. 238 00:14:01,610 --> 00:14:04,606 And when that gets dealt with in public, 239 00:14:04,630 --> 00:14:07,733 it brings up a lot of fears that people have, 240 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:14,360 and that's a very difficult issue to negotiate in public. 241 00:14:16,178 --> 00:14:18,595 (soft music) 242 00:14:30,334 --> 00:14:32,626 - I was kind of surprised when Rick announced 243 00:14:32,650 --> 00:14:35,686 that he had a calling and that he wanted to start a church. 244 00:14:35,710 --> 00:14:40,216 And honestly, I wouldn't say that I was running 245 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,806 down a path skipping in joy, 246 00:14:42,830 --> 00:14:46,726 because we were going to commit every weekend 247 00:14:46,750 --> 00:14:49,546 to having to be in Tulsa and so forth. 248 00:14:49,570 --> 00:14:52,110 - We started out trying to create an environment 249 00:14:53,110 --> 00:14:55,251 and a church where all people were just accepted 250 00:14:55,275 --> 00:14:58,176 no matter how they came through our doors. 251 00:14:58,200 --> 00:14:59,586 And it was a place of safety. 252 00:14:59,610 --> 00:15:02,794 It was a place where people could bring their children. 253 00:15:02,818 --> 00:15:04,826 It would be a place 254 00:15:04,850 --> 00:15:09,506 where people could recognize same-sex partners, 255 00:15:09,530 --> 00:15:11,292 could answer the call, 256 00:15:11,316 --> 00:15:14,386 regardless of their sexual orientation. 257 00:15:14,410 --> 00:15:16,056 - Several of us that were involved 258 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,086 at the very beginning of this church 259 00:15:18,110 --> 00:15:21,986 were involved with a large Episcopal Church in Tulsa. 260 00:15:22,010 --> 00:15:24,756 We could sort of be ourselves. 261 00:15:24,780 --> 00:15:26,406 There were certain things that we couldn't do. 262 00:15:26,430 --> 00:15:28,796 And so it was like all of our spiritual needs 263 00:15:28,820 --> 00:15:29,886 were not being met. 264 00:15:29,910 --> 00:15:32,446 And so that was the main focus of this church 265 00:15:32,470 --> 00:15:34,916 was so that no matter what your spiritual needs were 266 00:15:34,940 --> 00:15:37,106 or what your needs personally were 267 00:15:37,130 --> 00:15:39,076 that this church could meet those. 268 00:15:39,100 --> 00:15:42,086 - Tulsa was experiencing some interesting changes 269 00:15:42,110 --> 00:15:46,146 in that there were no, what we would call now 270 00:15:46,170 --> 00:15:49,956 Open and Affirming churches that were sacramental in nature 271 00:15:49,980 --> 00:15:52,607 or that would offer all the seven sacraments 272 00:15:52,631 --> 00:15:56,146 as we would look at it for persons, 273 00:15:56,170 --> 00:15:57,716 lesbian and gay persons. 274 00:15:57,740 --> 00:16:01,556 It was felt that while we had some wonderful churches, 275 00:16:01,580 --> 00:16:04,746 we had a shalom based Methodist ministry here in town, 276 00:16:04,770 --> 00:16:09,186 we had the Metropolitan Community Church here at that time, 277 00:16:09,210 --> 00:16:14,210 there weren't any churches that approached the worship style 278 00:16:14,452 --> 00:16:17,406 in a Eucharistic or sacramental fashion. 279 00:16:17,430 --> 00:16:19,046 - Being a liturgical church, you know exactly 280 00:16:19,070 --> 00:16:20,126 what's going to happen. 281 00:16:20,150 --> 00:16:22,076 It'll be different each week 282 00:16:22,100 --> 00:16:24,096 depending on the hymns and the readings and all that. 283 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,946 But basically the service is going to flow the same way. 284 00:16:26,970 --> 00:16:29,766 So no matter what kind of chaos there is going on 285 00:16:29,790 --> 00:16:32,866 in your life, for that hour on Sunday morning, 286 00:16:32,890 --> 00:16:34,366 you know exactly what's going on 287 00:16:34,390 --> 00:16:35,796 and you can control it, 288 00:16:35,820 --> 00:16:37,776 and it gives you a sense of peace. 289 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:38,737 I think for a lot of people, 290 00:16:38,761 --> 00:16:40,756 that's why they're drawn to liturgical churches 291 00:16:40,780 --> 00:16:44,436 is because there is that sense of history 292 00:16:44,460 --> 00:16:46,646 and tying back and all of that. 293 00:16:46,670 --> 00:16:49,596 - And so our model of worship is like that 294 00:16:49,620 --> 00:16:51,286 of a Roman Catholic Church 295 00:16:51,310 --> 00:16:55,946 or of an Episcopal Church, Anglican Church, Lutheran Church 296 00:16:55,970 --> 00:16:58,676 in that you have Eucharist 297 00:16:58,700 --> 00:17:00,912 or the liturgy brings the people together, 298 00:17:00,936 --> 00:17:03,886 and it's really stayed pretty much the same 299 00:17:03,910 --> 00:17:06,166 through all the centuries of the church. 300 00:17:06,190 --> 00:17:08,406 And so you wouldn't find a great deal 301 00:17:08,430 --> 00:17:11,576 of difference if you came to worship here, 302 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,726 if you attended any of those type of churches. 303 00:17:14,750 --> 00:17:19,750 And so it follows a very set order of the Mass. 304 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,486 The rituals we do, whether it be the incense 305 00:17:22,510 --> 00:17:23,447 of the bells that we use, 306 00:17:23,471 --> 00:17:25,206 all those things tie us back 307 00:17:25,230 --> 00:17:26,576 to the ancient church. 308 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:27,586 I think that's one of the things 309 00:17:27,610 --> 00:17:29,816 that's very important to someone who's interested 310 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:31,596 in a liturgical church 311 00:17:31,620 --> 00:17:34,063 is that sense of connectivity and history. 312 00:17:35,208 --> 00:17:37,625 (soft music) 313 00:17:45,806 --> 00:17:48,139 ♪ Ave Maria ♪ 314 00:17:52,741 --> 00:17:54,726 - I had a friend that was an organist 315 00:17:54,750 --> 00:17:57,096 and he was going to substitute 316 00:17:57,120 --> 00:17:59,746 for this little church that was starting. 317 00:17:59,770 --> 00:18:01,870 And they were meeting in a metal building. 318 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,952 (singing in foreign language) 319 00:18:21,347 --> 00:18:22,855 And I remember going there a couple times 320 00:18:22,879 --> 00:18:26,366 just to kind of see what it was like. 321 00:18:26,390 --> 00:18:28,316 - In the original building that we were in 322 00:18:28,340 --> 00:18:30,913 over on Utica, if you were the crucifer, 323 00:18:30,937 --> 00:18:33,846 you had to be very careful carrying the processional cross, 324 00:18:33,870 --> 00:18:35,206 because as you were going down the aisle, 325 00:18:35,230 --> 00:18:37,346 you would hit the fluorescent lights 326 00:18:37,370 --> 00:18:39,276 that were going across the ceiling. 327 00:18:39,300 --> 00:18:40,736 Processional cross was made 328 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,836 out of a cross that was hanging on the wall 329 00:18:43,860 --> 00:18:45,066 at Rick and John's house. 330 00:18:45,090 --> 00:18:46,776 They took it down and put it on a stick, 331 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,646 and we still use that for Lent around here. 332 00:18:49,670 --> 00:18:52,996 So we have, it ties us back to our original roots in that. 333 00:18:53,020 --> 00:18:56,966 - The priest Rick Hollingsworth found out 334 00:18:56,990 --> 00:18:59,516 that I was working, and I was dealing 335 00:18:59,540 --> 00:19:02,036 with a local community theater here in town. 336 00:19:02,060 --> 00:19:05,136 Rick said, "So you all know how to make costumes?" 337 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,016 And we said, "Well, yeah, we sew costumes." 338 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,703 He said, "Well, how about, would you be interested" 339 00:19:10,727 --> 00:19:14,706 "in helping us sew a cope?" 340 00:19:14,730 --> 00:19:17,263 - It's the old Scarlet O'Hara story. 341 00:19:17,287 --> 00:19:19,279 - I don't care what you say, only give me the money. 342 00:19:19,303 --> 00:19:20,277 I won't let Tara go. 343 00:19:20,301 --> 00:19:23,363 I can't let it go while there's a breath left in my body. 344 00:19:24,199 --> 00:19:28,183 - It came from drapes in our home. (laughs) 345 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:31,763 And so, yes. 346 00:19:32,730 --> 00:19:35,946 Actually the first set of vestments that were made 347 00:19:35,970 --> 00:19:38,600 at that time actually were table cloths, 348 00:19:38,624 --> 00:19:41,556 and we had no money obviously for vestments 349 00:19:41,580 --> 00:19:42,586 and some different things. 350 00:19:42,610 --> 00:19:45,616 And so we had people in the parish who could sew. 351 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,626 - And Paul and I were just kinda looking at each other 352 00:19:48,650 --> 00:19:52,391 going, "Okay, so this is just like a Carol Burnett moment" 353 00:19:52,415 --> 00:19:55,036 "when she did the parody of 'Gone with the Wind.'" 354 00:19:55,060 --> 00:19:56,403 And we're like going, "Okay, so we're living" 355 00:19:56,427 --> 00:19:58,706 "this Carol Burnett moment, right?" 356 00:19:58,730 --> 00:20:00,576 (audience laughing) 357 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:01,746 And we all started chuckling. 358 00:20:01,770 --> 00:20:04,793 I said, "Well, don't you think the curtains look good" 359 00:20:04,817 --> 00:20:06,446 "and could be used?" 360 00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:09,176 Paul and I took some of the drapes home, 361 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:13,316 and we started to cut out the fabric, 362 00:20:13,340 --> 00:20:18,296 and we made a cope for our priest, 363 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,406 since we were a poor parish. 364 00:20:20,430 --> 00:20:22,012 We used what we have available, 365 00:20:22,036 --> 00:20:24,736 and nobody knew the difference. 366 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,566 - In the original building, the metal building 367 00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:30,106 as we refer to it, McDonald's was next door, 368 00:20:30,130 --> 00:20:33,056 and you could hear people ordering at the drive-in window 369 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,836 next to us when service was going on. 370 00:20:35,860 --> 00:20:38,256 And we shared space there. 371 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:39,766 A lot of times there were more people 372 00:20:39,790 --> 00:20:40,637 in the altar party, 373 00:20:40,661 --> 00:20:41,976 the priest and the deacon 374 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,860 and the crucifer and the organist, those people, 375 00:20:44,884 --> 00:20:46,436 than there were in the congregation. 376 00:20:46,460 --> 00:20:48,739 - We worshiped on Saturday nights. 377 00:20:48,763 --> 00:20:51,296 The Unitarians worshiped on Sunday morning, 378 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,776 and the Methodists worshiped on Sunday evening. 379 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,226 - That's when we became the church of the box, 380 00:20:56,250 --> 00:20:57,996 because we had to then put all of our stuff 381 00:20:58,020 --> 00:20:59,486 in a box every Saturday night 382 00:20:59,510 --> 00:21:00,320 and put it all away. 383 00:21:00,344 --> 00:21:03,096 - The Methodists had the facility, 384 00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:04,586 and so we had our box, 385 00:21:04,610 --> 00:21:06,236 and we would carry our box. 386 00:21:06,260 --> 00:21:10,606 And then, we moved up town 387 00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:12,696 and went to the funeral home. 388 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,826 That was delightful, and we were very blessed 389 00:21:15,850 --> 00:21:18,653 to be able to use Ninde's Funeral Home chapel. 390 00:21:19,689 --> 00:21:21,026 - Because it was a funeral home, 391 00:21:21,050 --> 00:21:23,866 the organ console was actually in another room. 392 00:21:23,890 --> 00:21:25,976 And so they'd have to be in there playing 393 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,526 a separate room from us, 394 00:21:27,550 --> 00:21:28,696 which was kinda difficult. 395 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,026 It was kinda rough sometimes as I recall. 396 00:21:31,050 --> 00:21:32,106 It was sweet, I think, 397 00:21:32,130 --> 00:21:33,736 and that's the best part about it. 398 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:34,727 It was sweet. 399 00:21:34,751 --> 00:21:36,736 It was people trying to do a good thing. 400 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,556 - We have this friend, when he worked at the funeral home 401 00:21:38,580 --> 00:21:40,026 is why they got that, 'cause he was involved 402 00:21:40,050 --> 00:21:42,046 with the church, and if we all had dinner 403 00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:44,225 on a Saturday night, he would end up taking people for tours 404 00:21:44,249 --> 00:21:46,746 back in the funeral home late at night. 405 00:21:46,770 --> 00:21:48,516 But I was too scared to ever go. 406 00:21:48,540 --> 00:21:50,446 The chapel was on the side of the funeral home, 407 00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:52,316 so you didn't think you were necessarily 408 00:21:52,340 --> 00:21:53,340 in a funeral home. 409 00:21:55,366 --> 00:21:56,426 - It was in kind of an interesting, 410 00:21:56,450 --> 00:21:58,116 it was a beautiful space to be in. 411 00:21:58,140 --> 00:22:03,140 It beat the metal building they were in before. (laughs) 412 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,486 - We did take a little bit 413 00:22:08,510 --> 00:22:11,296 of heat in the religious community 414 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:15,456 regarding our validity and regarding what our purpose was. 415 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,376 And that was a little uncomfortable 416 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:18,210 during that time. 417 00:22:18,234 --> 00:22:19,896 So we had to answer a lot of questions. 418 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,306 And then of course, meeting in a funeral home 419 00:22:22,330 --> 00:22:23,536 and some other things, you can see 420 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,936 that that would not necessarily represent permanence. 421 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,226 And so we had to answer a lot of questions, 422 00:22:30,250 --> 00:22:31,866 and people were very questioning 423 00:22:31,890 --> 00:22:33,646 when they would come in to worship, 424 00:22:33,670 --> 00:22:34,627 but that was a good thing, 425 00:22:34,651 --> 00:22:36,856 because they could begin to question their faith 426 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,196 and begin to question maybe the church 427 00:22:39,220 --> 00:22:40,030 of their childhood 428 00:22:40,054 --> 00:22:43,984 and say, "How do I really feel about the dogma" 429 00:22:44,008 --> 00:22:47,203 "or the ordinances of the church that I grew up in?" 430 00:22:47,227 --> 00:22:49,903 "And how do I feel about that" 431 00:22:49,927 --> 00:22:52,703 "as it relates to social justice issues" 432 00:22:52,727 --> 00:22:54,826 "and God's love?" 433 00:22:54,850 --> 00:22:56,986 And so it was really a good time 434 00:22:57,010 --> 00:22:58,950 for people to explore that. 435 00:22:59,865 --> 00:23:03,371 - And strengthen them to glorify God in this life 436 00:23:03,395 --> 00:23:05,395 and in the life to come. 437 00:23:09,330 --> 00:23:13,115 ♪ Our souls inspire ♪ 438 00:23:13,139 --> 00:23:18,139 ♪ And lighten with celestial fire ♪ 439 00:23:19,696 --> 00:23:24,696 ♪ Thou the anointing Spirit art ♪ 440 00:23:27,034 --> 00:23:32,034 ♪ Who dost thy sevenfold gifts impart ♪ 441 00:23:36,509 --> 00:23:41,509 ♪ Thy blessed unction from above ♪ 442 00:23:43,862 --> 00:23:48,862 ♪ Is comfort, life, and fire of love ♪ 443 00:23:50,928 --> 00:23:55,928 ♪ Enable with perpetual light ♪ 444 00:23:58,631 --> 00:24:02,964 ♪ The dullness of our blinded sight ♪ 445 00:24:08,722 --> 00:24:13,722 ♪ Anoint and cheer our soiled face ♪ 446 00:24:15,946 --> 00:24:18,786 ♪ With the abundance ♪ 447 00:24:18,810 --> 00:24:21,511 - May we praise in Christ's church, 448 00:24:21,535 --> 00:24:23,563 Father Rick Hollingsworth. 449 00:24:24,509 --> 00:24:27,842 (congregation applauds) 450 00:24:32,023 --> 00:24:34,597 - It was more about validity of our orders. 451 00:24:34,621 --> 00:24:38,496 Did we have valid orders from the Catholic tradition 452 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,266 or the Anglican tradition? 453 00:24:40,290 --> 00:24:43,523 Being in Tulsa, Oklahoma, it was questioned 454 00:24:43,547 --> 00:24:46,769 that we were breaking the commandments 455 00:24:46,793 --> 00:24:50,866 as were outlined by the belief system of Leviticus 456 00:24:50,890 --> 00:24:53,646 or Paul to the early church of some 457 00:24:53,670 --> 00:24:55,506 of the sexual orientations issues. 458 00:24:55,530 --> 00:24:57,970 - Different churches move at different speeds 459 00:24:58,890 --> 00:25:00,456 in dealing with these issues. 460 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,413 And the same thing was true with slavery. 461 00:25:02,437 --> 00:25:04,676 The same thing has been true with women. 462 00:25:04,700 --> 00:25:07,484 The same thing is true with homosexuality. 463 00:25:07,508 --> 00:25:11,576 Those are three huge issues 464 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,776 that not only the churches have had to deal with 465 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,606 but with cultures have had to deal with. 466 00:25:17,630 --> 00:25:18,923 It's coming quickly. 467 00:25:20,790 --> 00:25:22,826 And I think one of the primary reason is 468 00:25:22,850 --> 00:25:25,023 is gays came out of the closet. 469 00:25:27,250 --> 00:25:29,776 Straights had to deal with gays, 470 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:30,793 and they found out, "Well, wait a minute." 471 00:25:30,817 --> 00:25:32,133 "They're just like me." 472 00:25:32,157 --> 00:25:34,276 "My best friend is." 473 00:25:34,300 --> 00:25:35,441 That's a whole different equation 474 00:25:35,465 --> 00:25:40,086 than when it's just some kind of intellectual thought. 475 00:25:40,110 --> 00:25:42,440 Then you don't, it's much more persuasive 476 00:25:42,464 --> 00:25:45,086 when you deal with it at a feeling level, 477 00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:47,876 and that I think has been the huge difference. 478 00:25:47,900 --> 00:25:49,286 It's been the deal-breaker. 479 00:25:49,310 --> 00:25:51,656 - We also took some heat in that area, 480 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,756 because we were living a lie 481 00:25:53,780 --> 00:25:55,446 or we were an abomination, 482 00:25:55,470 --> 00:25:59,576 because we allowed people to be openly gay or lesbian 483 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,758 at that time, and we welcomed that 484 00:26:01,782 --> 00:26:05,116 and encouraged people to be who they were. 485 00:26:05,140 --> 00:26:06,676 We didn't have just gay and lesbian, 486 00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:09,549 nor do we have gay and lesbian people primarily 487 00:26:09,573 --> 00:26:11,336 who attend here now. 488 00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:13,876 We've been a church that has tried 489 00:26:13,900 --> 00:26:16,036 to stay away from being a one-issue church, 490 00:26:16,060 --> 00:26:18,856 because the church should not be a one-issue church. 491 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,106 We have many issues in our society 492 00:26:21,130 --> 00:26:22,886 that need our attention. 493 00:26:22,910 --> 00:26:24,706 And many of our parishioners had come 494 00:26:24,730 --> 00:26:29,256 from a place of hurt and pain 495 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,386 from their religious experience before. 496 00:26:32,410 --> 00:26:33,600 And so there had to be 497 00:26:34,860 --> 00:26:37,756 and still continues to be a time of healing 498 00:26:37,780 --> 00:26:40,946 where they can be in a safe space to talk about that. 499 00:26:40,970 --> 00:26:43,156 - For the life of me, I wonder sometimes 500 00:26:43,180 --> 00:26:46,666 why lots of people, women and gays in particular 501 00:26:46,690 --> 00:26:49,183 even go to church, why they would even want to, 502 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,306 given the way churches have treated 'em. 503 00:26:53,330 --> 00:26:55,686 I mean, I'm a white male. 504 00:26:55,710 --> 00:27:00,206 I'm used to being in the winning group. (laughs) 505 00:27:00,230 --> 00:27:02,456 I think, "I wouldn't come." 506 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,653 So it really always astounds me. 507 00:27:06,750 --> 00:27:08,936 I was always amazed at the community of hope, 508 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:13,055 at these people, their hunger. 509 00:27:13,079 --> 00:27:15,646 I mean, that would be the word I would use for religion 510 00:27:15,670 --> 00:27:17,846 after it had abused 'em. 511 00:27:17,870 --> 00:27:20,005 I think these historical trends 512 00:27:20,029 --> 00:27:22,516 that have been put in place 513 00:27:22,540 --> 00:27:25,376 since the enlightenment are inevitable. 514 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:26,706 They're not gonna go backward. 515 00:27:26,730 --> 00:27:30,016 - We had families that have been isolated 516 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,486 because of this issue. 517 00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:33,746 We've had children that have been isolated 518 00:27:33,770 --> 00:27:34,936 because of this issue. 519 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,826 We've had people that have really been harmed by church 520 00:27:38,850 --> 00:27:40,006 in a lot of ways. 521 00:27:40,030 --> 00:27:41,696 So we had to create an environment 522 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,146 that we did not react to that 523 00:27:44,170 --> 00:27:46,146 and do the very same thing 524 00:27:46,170 --> 00:27:49,066 that had happened to many of us. 525 00:27:49,090 --> 00:27:50,876 There were times when people would call 526 00:27:50,900 --> 00:27:52,763 and say, "Is this the queer priest?" 527 00:27:53,701 --> 00:27:55,716 "You're nothing but a faggot," 528 00:27:55,740 --> 00:27:59,809 and some different things in the time. 529 00:27:59,833 --> 00:28:01,826 "You know what you're doing is not right." 530 00:28:01,850 --> 00:28:03,393 Those type things. 531 00:28:03,417 --> 00:28:04,556 "I know where you live." 532 00:28:04,580 --> 00:28:06,992 I received a KKK call 533 00:28:07,016 --> 00:28:10,616 at one point in time that we know where you worship 534 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:11,846 and those things. 535 00:28:11,870 --> 00:28:13,906 So but those were few, 536 00:28:13,930 --> 00:28:16,053 but they were still there. 537 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,956 I did at one point request 538 00:28:19,980 --> 00:28:22,132 that the ushers be ever-vigilant 539 00:28:22,156 --> 00:28:26,440 at our doors just in case something went awry. 540 00:28:27,814 --> 00:28:30,731 (soft piano music) 541 00:28:36,830 --> 00:28:37,640 - Where we are now has built 542 00:28:37,664 --> 00:28:38,936 on the previous places we were. 543 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,596 So it's been a building process as we've gone along. 544 00:28:41,620 --> 00:28:43,386 So I don't think we would be where we are now 545 00:28:43,410 --> 00:28:47,146 without those early days of being in the metal building 546 00:28:47,170 --> 00:28:49,016 and learning some things there, 547 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,486 and then moving from there to the funeral home 548 00:28:50,510 --> 00:28:52,306 and then learning more things there 549 00:28:52,330 --> 00:28:53,646 in a way to relate to people. 550 00:28:53,670 --> 00:28:55,576 - We were looking at facilities 551 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,596 to move from the funeral home 552 00:28:57,620 --> 00:28:58,430 to a building. 553 00:28:58,454 --> 00:29:01,296 We really felt that we needed something 554 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,289 to enlarge our mission, something of more permanence. 555 00:29:04,313 --> 00:29:06,732 And so we begin to look at that 556 00:29:06,756 --> 00:29:09,396 and our theme at that time was, 557 00:29:09,420 --> 00:29:11,276 do we need a building for our mission, 558 00:29:11,300 --> 00:29:13,226 or do we have a mission for a building? 559 00:29:13,250 --> 00:29:15,594 - Bishop Rick and I looked at every building in town 560 00:29:15,618 --> 00:29:18,336 that was available to be a church, 561 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,625 whether it was a storefront, it was a church. 562 00:29:20,649 --> 00:29:22,646 We laugh about the one that we almost bought 563 00:29:22,670 --> 00:29:23,647 that had no running water 564 00:29:23,671 --> 00:29:25,706 that was connected to the car dealership next door 565 00:29:25,730 --> 00:29:28,206 with the garden hose for the water supply. 566 00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:30,396 There were all sorts of weird little things, 567 00:29:30,420 --> 00:29:32,989 and it was just one of those God things. 568 00:29:33,013 --> 00:29:35,226 - And those are very important things, 569 00:29:35,250 --> 00:29:39,246 because it's one thing to have a great facility 570 00:29:39,270 --> 00:29:41,047 and a wonderful structure, 571 00:29:41,071 --> 00:29:45,336 but it's another thing to really look 572 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:46,543 at what is the purpose of that. 573 00:29:46,567 --> 00:29:49,496 And our purpose is to reach out beyond ourselves. 574 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,186 - We had a parish meeting 575 00:29:51,210 --> 00:29:56,096 to vote on whether we wanted to buy a building or rent, 576 00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:00,823 and we voted that we could spend $150,000 on a building. 577 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,716 When we came to look at this building, 578 00:30:06,740 --> 00:30:09,326 we met with the elder from the Presbyterian Church 579 00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:10,317 that was showing the building, 580 00:30:10,341 --> 00:30:12,846 and we loved it. 581 00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:15,246 And we said, "What's the cost?" 582 00:30:15,270 --> 00:30:17,736 And he said, "$150,000." 583 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,296 So I said, "Let me go get my checkbook." 584 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,183 And so I went to the car and actually wrote a deposit check 585 00:30:24,207 --> 00:30:26,506 to him then, because we knew 586 00:30:26,530 --> 00:30:29,216 there were some other congregations looking at the building. 587 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,906 That was a real turning point 588 00:30:30,930 --> 00:30:35,073 in the congregation, being able to move to our own building. 589 00:31:09,459 --> 00:31:10,816 - We had purchased this building, 590 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,856 and I think it's well known 591 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,786 that it needed some work. 592 00:31:14,810 --> 00:31:15,816 And so it was kind of exciting, 593 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:16,768 'cause we were all pulling together 594 00:31:16,792 --> 00:31:19,856 and trying to get the building in usable shape, 595 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,686 and I remember when the sanctuary used to be green. 596 00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:25,006 It's been painted kinda this cream color. 597 00:31:25,030 --> 00:31:27,151 The carpet kind of a green color, 598 00:31:27,175 --> 00:31:28,416 and there were some other changes. 599 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:29,277 But it was kind of exciting, 600 00:31:29,301 --> 00:31:30,700 'cause it was something new. 601 00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:37,946 - [Man] Well, this is where it all starts. 602 00:31:37,970 --> 00:31:42,970 It is now the home of the Parish Church of St. Jerome's 603 00:31:46,192 --> 00:31:50,980 where today we will celebrate our very first Eucharist 604 00:31:51,980 --> 00:31:53,113 in our new home. 605 00:31:54,530 --> 00:31:55,623 Here she is. 606 00:31:57,959 --> 00:32:02,263 We couldn't have asked for a more beautiful place than this, 607 00:32:06,504 --> 00:32:07,504 and it's ours. 608 00:32:10,311 --> 00:32:11,917 - Well, I'm gonna do it. 609 00:32:11,941 --> 00:32:13,355 Let's give you all a hand. 610 00:32:13,379 --> 00:32:15,962 (all clapping) 611 00:32:20,003 --> 00:32:22,618 (joyful organ music) 612 00:32:22,642 --> 00:32:27,101 ♪ All thy works with joy surround thee ♪ 613 00:32:27,125 --> 00:32:31,608 ♪ Earth and heaven reflect thy rays ♪ 614 00:32:31,632 --> 00:32:35,820 ♪ Stars and angels sing around thee ♪ 615 00:32:35,844 --> 00:32:40,394 ♪ Center of unbroken praise ♪ 616 00:32:40,418 --> 00:32:44,626 ♪ Field and forest, vale and mountain ♪ 617 00:32:44,650 --> 00:32:49,013 ♪ flowery meadow, flashing sea ♪ 618 00:32:49,037 --> 00:32:53,293 ♪ Chanting bird and flowing fountain ♪ 619 00:32:53,317 --> 00:32:57,067 ♪ Call us to rejoice in thee ♪ 620 00:33:03,380 --> 00:33:07,316 - In the beginning when the congregation was looking 621 00:33:07,340 --> 00:33:08,966 at this building, there were some key people 622 00:33:08,990 --> 00:33:10,824 that said, "We need to do this." 623 00:33:10,848 --> 00:33:13,036 "Let's do this." 624 00:33:13,060 --> 00:33:15,906 But there's a mortgage that's required. 625 00:33:15,930 --> 00:33:18,596 - Church property in Tulsa is a little bit difficult 626 00:33:18,620 --> 00:33:22,926 to come by if you're not a part of a large denomination 627 00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:26,386 that will back up a loan or will assist 628 00:33:26,410 --> 00:33:29,986 with financial sponsoring for those things. 629 00:33:30,010 --> 00:33:34,676 And so when we did find this wonderful church building 630 00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:37,187 that we're in now, Dr. Coffey 631 00:33:37,211 --> 00:33:40,956 and Andrew Kinslow provided us the money, 632 00:33:40,980 --> 00:33:44,036 so that we could go ahead and purchase the building. 633 00:33:44,060 --> 00:33:47,536 And then they were our loan officers as it were. 634 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,226 Dr. Coffey was also one of our senior wardens, 635 00:33:50,250 --> 00:33:52,676 was a very strong and very involved in the community, 636 00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:54,876 not only was a pediatric physician, 637 00:33:54,900 --> 00:33:57,636 not only with the health of children 638 00:33:57,660 --> 00:34:02,156 but also in working with the HIV/AIDS community 639 00:34:02,180 --> 00:34:06,056 and making sure that moneys were there for Tulsa Cares. 640 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,416 He was quite the foundational cornerstone 641 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,083 of what we are doing now. 642 00:34:15,740 --> 00:34:18,436 - Robert grew up attending church on Easter and Christmas 643 00:34:18,460 --> 00:34:19,796 and going to Sunday school sometimes 644 00:34:19,820 --> 00:34:20,630 and that kind of thing 645 00:34:20,654 --> 00:34:22,566 but never really being involved in church. 646 00:34:22,590 --> 00:34:24,256 He had moved to Tulsa at the point 647 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,526 where we were buying the building, 648 00:34:27,550 --> 00:34:30,626 and he and I had arranged for a second mortgage 649 00:34:30,650 --> 00:34:32,446 on our house to be able to do some work 650 00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:33,926 on the pool and the yard. 651 00:34:33,950 --> 00:34:35,739 And so we basically bought the building, 652 00:34:35,763 --> 00:34:38,316 carried the mortgage for the church. 653 00:34:38,340 --> 00:34:41,333 Then the church paid us back over a certain period of time. 654 00:34:42,750 --> 00:34:45,316 - Robert was very behind the scenes. 655 00:34:45,340 --> 00:34:46,800 You didn't realize he was a huge part 656 00:34:46,824 --> 00:34:47,889 of the starting of the church. 657 00:34:47,913 --> 00:34:49,936 I think he really got involved with the church 658 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,806 'cause it was Andy's passion. 659 00:34:51,830 --> 00:34:53,126 And Robert loved Andy so much 660 00:34:53,150 --> 00:34:55,716 that he became more involved with the church. 661 00:34:55,740 --> 00:34:58,946 - I was introduced to St. Jerome's by my brother 662 00:34:58,970 --> 00:35:02,676 who was one of the first parishioners of St. Jerome's. 663 00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:05,666 And I started coming occasionally with him 664 00:35:05,690 --> 00:35:07,406 on special holidays. 665 00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:11,976 And then when my mother became legally blind, 666 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,036 they decided she could not drive any more. 667 00:35:14,060 --> 00:35:16,986 So she started coming to church with my brother, 668 00:35:17,010 --> 00:35:19,586 and I started coming a little more often, 669 00:35:19,610 --> 00:35:22,666 so that I could be with my mother and Charles. 670 00:35:22,690 --> 00:35:26,576 Then my brother Charles joined Alcoholics Anonymous, 671 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,156 because he needed a god in his life. 672 00:35:29,180 --> 00:35:32,736 And for a long time, that served as a god in his life. 673 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,303 And then he realized he maybe needed a little bit more, 674 00:35:37,310 --> 00:35:40,916 and I think he met Rick and Robert Coffey 675 00:35:40,940 --> 00:35:43,166 and became a member of this church 676 00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:45,083 and found his god. 677 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,946 - It was a time for healing for Charles 678 00:35:47,970 --> 00:35:49,153 to come back to the church 679 00:35:49,177 --> 00:35:52,606 and to come back to the love he could experience 680 00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:55,466 in the sacraments and his type of worship, 681 00:35:55,490 --> 00:35:57,366 and he was very comfortable with that. 682 00:35:57,390 --> 00:35:59,196 Charles had very definite opinions 683 00:35:59,220 --> 00:36:02,016 on how things should be painted and done in the church. 684 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:03,836 And so he served on our vestry. 685 00:36:03,860 --> 00:36:07,136 And not only did he assist the church financially, 686 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,436 but he also assisted the church in opinions 687 00:36:09,460 --> 00:36:10,646 of what things should be painted 688 00:36:10,670 --> 00:36:13,083 and how things should be replaced. 689 00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:15,987 Charles was the one 690 00:36:16,011 --> 00:36:18,186 who would paint his toenails different colors 691 00:36:18,210 --> 00:36:20,316 for the feet washing on Maundy Thursday 692 00:36:20,340 --> 00:36:21,897 to see if I would react. 693 00:36:21,921 --> 00:36:24,536 He would break all the Lent rules 694 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,656 and eat chocolate all during Lent 695 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,946 or would bring Easter bunnies in 696 00:36:28,970 --> 00:36:31,477 for after-service snacks during Lent. 697 00:36:31,501 --> 00:36:33,583 That banter was delightful. 698 00:36:35,630 --> 00:36:37,685 - The upkeep of the structure of the building, 699 00:36:37,709 --> 00:36:39,184 there is a lot of repairs 700 00:36:39,208 --> 00:36:43,476 that go into maintaining a structure such as this, 701 00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:48,500 and we needed funding to maintain the structure. 702 00:36:50,090 --> 00:36:51,826 - I don't think I've ever had a time 703 00:36:51,850 --> 00:36:54,866 where I thought, "Wow, we're not going to make it," 704 00:36:54,890 --> 00:36:59,890 but I'm a very big budget versus actual girl. 705 00:37:00,026 --> 00:37:05,026 And we consistently approved a budget 706 00:37:05,100 --> 00:37:10,100 that was short 20, 30, $40,000 every year. 707 00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:15,630 And so that requires a church to step out in faith 708 00:37:15,865 --> 00:37:19,636 that you have pledges that say total 80,000, 709 00:37:19,660 --> 00:37:22,437 and you've bot a budget of 120,000. 710 00:37:22,461 --> 00:37:26,176 And year after year, the congregation approved that budget. 711 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,426 We have always in my time had to do Mardi Gras, 712 00:37:29,450 --> 00:37:32,656 our annual fundraiser in the spring, 713 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,320 and those dollars along with people 714 00:37:36,344 --> 00:37:40,446 that just reach into their pocket and give. 715 00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:43,306 We've had people give thousands of dollars 716 00:37:43,330 --> 00:37:44,506 to repair roofs. 717 00:37:44,530 --> 00:37:47,181 We've had people give thousands of dollars 718 00:37:47,205 --> 00:37:49,196 just at the end of the year 719 00:37:49,220 --> 00:37:50,833 to finish out the year. 720 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,326 - I don't think we could have made it. 721 00:37:55,350 --> 00:37:59,666 The structure as old as it is needs a lot of upkeep, 722 00:37:59,690 --> 00:38:02,896 and that funding provided the avenue 723 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,763 to do the repairs that are needed. 724 00:38:09,237 --> 00:38:10,266 - No one in the congregation knew 725 00:38:10,290 --> 00:38:12,816 that we were carrying the mortgage of the building. 726 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:13,906 That was one of the things about Robert. 727 00:38:13,930 --> 00:38:17,166 He never wanted a lot of attention for anything. 728 00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:20,716 And so everything was behind the scenes on that. 729 00:38:20,740 --> 00:38:22,316 But getting the building paid off was something 730 00:38:22,340 --> 00:38:24,306 that was very, very important to him. 731 00:38:24,330 --> 00:38:25,616 He didn't like credit card debt. 732 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,606 He didn't like debt of any kind. 733 00:38:27,630 --> 00:38:29,666 And I think that was because he could say 734 00:38:29,690 --> 00:38:32,120 that you could use that money for something else. 735 00:38:40,391 --> 00:38:43,308 (soft piano music) 736 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,496 - [Bishop Rick] In sure and certain hope 737 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,726 of the resurrection to eternal life 738 00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:50,236 through our Lord Jesus Christ 739 00:39:50,260 --> 00:39:53,410 we commend to Almighty God our brother Robert 740 00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:57,683 and we commit his ashes to their final resting place. 741 00:40:00,070 --> 00:40:03,713 - His loss is one of those where, 742 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,246 I hate to put it this way, 743 00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:10,586 but it's one of those moments where your faith is tested. 744 00:40:10,610 --> 00:40:13,636 Even though I didn't know him as well as I wanted to, 745 00:40:13,660 --> 00:40:15,103 it still hit home. 746 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,969 The realization that you're about to lose someone 747 00:40:19,993 --> 00:40:22,870 that you care about and that you respect. 748 00:40:25,020 --> 00:40:28,363 So it was a tough and still is a tough moment, 749 00:40:29,730 --> 00:40:31,193 and we miss him. 750 00:40:33,230 --> 00:40:34,816 We hope that he's proud of us 751 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,263 and what we've done since his departure. 752 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,116 - Well, it's a difficult time when you lose a primary leader 753 00:40:44,140 --> 00:40:46,823 in your parish and to refocus that. 754 00:40:48,620 --> 00:40:51,026 So it was a huge loss not only for the parish 755 00:40:51,050 --> 00:40:53,896 but a huge loss for me as a friend. 756 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,420 - Charles was actually seven years older than I, 757 00:40:56,444 --> 00:40:58,466 but everybody thought we were twins, 758 00:40:58,490 --> 00:41:01,796 because we were so much alike, 759 00:41:01,820 --> 00:41:04,006 which that always irritated me 760 00:41:04,030 --> 00:41:05,526 since he was seven years older. 761 00:41:05,550 --> 00:41:08,586 We were always best friends, I mean, always. 762 00:41:08,610 --> 00:41:11,986 When I was born, I was his doll baby 763 00:41:12,010 --> 00:41:15,486 that he rode around on his bicycle basket. 764 00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:16,496 We have pictures of it. 765 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:17,746 It's embarrassing. 766 00:41:17,770 --> 00:41:20,686 But I've never known life without Charles. 767 00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:23,866 So everybody said we were like Siamese twins 768 00:41:23,890 --> 00:41:25,536 only joined at the brain, 769 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,326 only you had to have a brain to be joined, 770 00:41:28,350 --> 00:41:31,163 because we were so much alike in every way. 771 00:41:32,391 --> 00:41:34,666 I miss him a lot. 772 00:41:34,690 --> 00:41:38,166 - When you have things that happen in the parish 773 00:41:38,190 --> 00:41:39,726 such as those losses, 774 00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:42,886 then you have to reorganize yourself. 775 00:41:42,910 --> 00:41:45,981 And anyone who's lost a very close friend knows that. 776 00:41:46,005 --> 00:41:49,986 Some interesting studies say it takes five to seven years 777 00:41:50,010 --> 00:41:54,576 to really overcome a significant loss in one's life, 778 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:55,986 and I don't know that you ever overcome, 779 00:41:56,010 --> 00:42:00,226 but you readjust your life to living without that person. 780 00:42:00,250 --> 00:42:03,973 - We have just finished up a huge Mardi Gras. 781 00:42:05,505 --> 00:42:09,563 Preparations for weeks, huge night. 782 00:42:10,660 --> 00:42:12,836 I think we've raised over 40,000. 783 00:42:12,860 --> 00:42:15,513 It takes everyone to do that. 784 00:42:16,490 --> 00:42:19,736 And unfortunately, just weeks later, 785 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,603 Dr. Robert Coffey passes away, 786 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,223 and the church has to rally again. 787 00:42:30,170 --> 00:42:31,170 Shoot. 788 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,536 Because where else are you gonna have his service? 789 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,053 You have to have it here. 790 00:42:40,050 --> 00:42:41,853 You can't go down the street. 791 00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:47,453 Dr. Coffey's service has to be here. 792 00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:50,593 So we have to rally again. 793 00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:54,886 We're expecting 400 people 794 00:42:54,910 --> 00:42:57,716 in a nave that holds 100. 795 00:42:57,740 --> 00:43:00,033 Not very good numbers, right? 796 00:43:02,430 --> 00:43:07,003 So we're running cables everywhere, 797 00:43:09,660 --> 00:43:11,106 so we can broadcast. 798 00:43:11,130 --> 00:43:14,626 We're bringing in chairs into the balcony. 799 00:43:14,650 --> 00:43:16,406 We're moving the choir, 800 00:43:16,430 --> 00:43:18,883 so that people can sit in our seats. 801 00:43:20,490 --> 00:43:24,256 We're setting up the event center for a reception. 802 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:25,963 We're printing, 803 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,486 we're printing and printing and printing, 804 00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:32,836 so that we have programs to hand out. 805 00:43:32,860 --> 00:43:36,193 We're coordinating the ashes being delivered. 806 00:43:38,130 --> 00:43:40,536 It takes all of us 807 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,636 and everybody rallies. 808 00:43:42,660 --> 00:43:43,637 Everybody rallies. 809 00:43:43,661 --> 00:43:46,596 And we've just rallied with Mardi Gras. 810 00:43:46,620 --> 00:43:50,156 When one of your founding fathers passes away, 811 00:43:50,180 --> 00:43:51,830 this is where you do the service. 812 00:43:52,690 --> 00:43:56,236 - His service or the Celebration of the Eucharist 813 00:43:56,260 --> 00:43:59,556 on that day was a very large service. 814 00:43:59,580 --> 00:44:01,826 So it was probably the largest Mass 815 00:44:01,850 --> 00:44:03,826 that we have had at St. Jerome's. 816 00:44:03,850 --> 00:44:04,826 The balconies were full. 817 00:44:04,850 --> 00:44:05,687 The aisles were full. 818 00:44:05,711 --> 00:44:07,326 The undercroft was full. 819 00:44:07,350 --> 00:44:08,596 We had cameras set up 820 00:44:08,620 --> 00:44:09,786 and all of those things. 821 00:44:09,810 --> 00:44:12,386 But I think what was wonderful 822 00:44:12,410 --> 00:44:15,656 is if you looked out across the nave, 823 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,650 and you looked at it's really what church should have been, 824 00:44:18,674 --> 00:44:23,674 all colors, all faiths, all traditions, 825 00:44:24,380 --> 00:44:26,836 and all of 'em came together 826 00:44:26,860 --> 00:44:30,666 to say goodbye to a sainted person. 827 00:44:30,690 --> 00:44:33,996 - To this day, I still get people commenting to me 828 00:44:34,020 --> 00:44:37,676 that they've never been to a funeral that felt so personal, 829 00:44:37,700 --> 00:44:39,366 and I think a lot of that has to do 830 00:44:39,390 --> 00:44:41,136 with the church family here. 831 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,676 It was a very formal service. 832 00:44:42,700 --> 00:44:45,966 It was a traditional Anglican rite service, 833 00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:48,086 but it was personalized to him. 834 00:44:48,110 --> 00:44:49,367 And so everyone that was here 835 00:44:49,391 --> 00:44:52,573 was able to understand who Robert was. 836 00:44:55,780 --> 00:44:59,253 - [Bishop Rick] Earth to earth, ashes to ashes, 837 00:45:02,291 --> 00:45:04,101 and dust to dust. 838 00:45:04,125 --> 00:45:06,542 (soft music) 839 00:45:07,820 --> 00:45:11,616 - Charles was a Pilar of this church 840 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,366 as was Robert Coffey and Andy. 841 00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:18,126 I really think they had a large impact on this church 842 00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:19,276 in every way. 843 00:45:19,300 --> 00:45:22,846 Financially assisting in signing notes 844 00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:24,546 and all of that. 845 00:45:24,570 --> 00:45:27,266 Robert Coffey was a head of the vestry 846 00:45:27,290 --> 00:45:29,258 the year I went on the vestry, 847 00:45:29,282 --> 00:45:32,256 and I loved serving with Robert. 848 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,543 He was a great person and a great leader 849 00:45:34,567 --> 00:45:39,233 and a really devout St. Jerome's person. 850 00:46:03,530 --> 00:46:05,026 - We lost Robert, 851 00:46:05,050 --> 00:46:09,506 and that was devastating for our whole community. 852 00:46:09,530 --> 00:46:11,666 And one of the things that was very important to him 853 00:46:11,690 --> 00:46:12,976 was that we pay off the church, 854 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,216 because he had been like senior warden. 855 00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:18,276 He had been on the vestry 856 00:46:18,300 --> 00:46:20,006 a number of different times. 857 00:46:20,030 --> 00:46:22,726 And one of the things that was always important to him 858 00:46:22,750 --> 00:46:25,636 was that we pay this building off. 859 00:46:25,660 --> 00:46:27,386 Eventually we did. 860 00:46:27,410 --> 00:46:30,026 That was after we lost Robert. 861 00:46:30,050 --> 00:46:31,541 - When he died, that was one of the things that 862 00:46:31,565 --> 00:46:34,716 there were two places that people could contribute money. 863 00:46:34,740 --> 00:46:38,896 One was St. Jerome for the mortgage reduction fund. 864 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:40,166 And so any money that came in 865 00:46:40,190 --> 00:46:43,386 went directly to pay for mortgage reduction. 866 00:46:43,410 --> 00:46:47,336 And then about a year after that, 867 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,306 I did a matching of dollar for dollar 868 00:46:50,330 --> 00:46:52,176 if someone wanted to make a contribution 869 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:53,316 to pay off the mortgage. 870 00:46:53,340 --> 00:46:57,036 In Robert's memory, we did a matching 871 00:46:57,060 --> 00:46:59,786 and paid off the mortgage the year after he died 872 00:46:59,810 --> 00:47:02,956 and then had the mortgage burning shortly after that. 873 00:47:02,980 --> 00:47:04,676 - We actually burned it in the church 874 00:47:04,700 --> 00:47:06,896 and right there in front. 875 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,336 It was really cool. 876 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,026 To me, I think that's one of the high points 877 00:47:10,050 --> 00:47:12,512 of my experience here. 878 00:47:12,536 --> 00:47:15,686 - We realize his vision, 879 00:47:15,710 --> 00:47:17,776 and through his vision 880 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,223 and what he wanted for our faith community, 881 00:47:21,100 --> 00:47:24,486 we're able to come together 882 00:47:24,510 --> 00:47:27,586 and be able to pay off this building 883 00:47:27,610 --> 00:47:30,876 and become one of the few churches 884 00:47:30,900 --> 00:47:31,916 in our denomination 885 00:47:31,940 --> 00:47:34,646 that not only has a place to worship 886 00:47:34,670 --> 00:47:36,817 but also has a building that's paid off. 887 00:47:46,910 --> 00:47:49,453 - The tie to history is clear. 888 00:47:52,207 --> 00:47:54,746 "The moral arc," as Martin Luther King said 889 00:47:54,770 --> 00:47:58,706 of history, "is long, but it's in the bent of justice." 890 00:47:58,730 --> 00:47:59,896 I believe that. 891 00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:01,396 If I'm a theologian, 892 00:48:01,420 --> 00:48:03,456 that's my theological belief. 893 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:04,480 I believe that. 894 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,246 But it's a rough battle. 895 00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:08,784 It's not easy. 896 00:48:08,808 --> 00:48:12,141 (uplifting organ music) 897 00:48:22,614 --> 00:48:27,614 ♪ Soar we now where Christ hath led ♪ 898 00:48:28,499 --> 00:48:33,499 ♪ Hallelujah ♪ 899 00:48:34,830 --> 00:48:39,830 ♪ Following our exalted Head ♪ 900 00:48:40,744 --> 00:48:43,161 ♪ Hallelujah ♪ 901 00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,436 - After my mother passed away, 902 00:48:48,460 --> 00:48:51,366 I decided to join the church. 903 00:48:51,390 --> 00:48:54,376 I felt like I needed a god in my life, 904 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,986 and somehow coming to church made me feel closer 905 00:48:58,010 --> 00:49:00,846 to my mother and of course to my brother 906 00:49:00,870 --> 00:49:03,186 who was coming every Sunday. 907 00:49:03,210 --> 00:49:04,426 I was raised Catholic. 908 00:49:04,450 --> 00:49:08,276 I went to a Catholic school through the eighth grade, 909 00:49:08,300 --> 00:49:11,986 and then I married my first husband 910 00:49:12,010 --> 00:49:13,146 in the Catholic Church, 911 00:49:13,170 --> 00:49:17,416 and then I divorced my first husband. 912 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,616 And I was all of a sudden excommunicated 913 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:21,849 from the Catholic Church. 914 00:49:21,873 --> 00:49:25,036 - I tell people that we are an Anglican Catholic Church. 915 00:49:25,060 --> 00:49:29,226 And so Anglicans and Catholics feel very comfortable here. 916 00:49:29,250 --> 00:49:30,526 I tell 'em we're not Roman. 917 00:49:30,550 --> 00:49:32,986 So there's no pope and there's no guilt. 918 00:49:33,010 --> 00:49:35,936 And I think the thing they have the hardest time 919 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:36,877 wrapping their mind around 920 00:49:36,901 --> 00:49:39,688 is that there's a Catholic Church that's not Roman. 921 00:49:39,712 --> 00:49:41,812 In a world that's just like chaotic 922 00:49:41,836 --> 00:49:44,376 and you don't know what you can count on 923 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,181 and you don't know what's gonna happen next, 924 00:49:46,205 --> 00:49:51,205 I can come here and I feel a sense of peace and comfort. 925 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,706 It's very soothing for me. 926 00:49:53,730 --> 00:49:56,886 - It got us out of this having to play gay person, 927 00:49:56,910 --> 00:49:58,256 having to play straight person, 928 00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:59,806 having to play a Christian person. 929 00:49:59,830 --> 00:50:02,026 That's exactly what St. Jerome did. 930 00:50:02,050 --> 00:50:03,526 It just fused it all together 931 00:50:03,550 --> 00:50:06,106 to where we could just be ourselves. 932 00:50:06,130 --> 00:50:08,456 - For a community of our size to be around 933 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,715 for 20 years is remarkable. 934 00:50:10,739 --> 00:50:14,216 There have been lots of churches in Tulsa 935 00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:15,656 that have sprung up, 936 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,736 and after four or five years, they're gone. 937 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,886 And this one has remained. 938 00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:25,606 And actually we are now a recognized part 939 00:50:25,630 --> 00:50:26,577 of the community. 940 00:50:26,601 --> 00:50:29,789 - We actually began our food pantry with just cans 941 00:50:29,813 --> 00:50:33,096 in a closet, and we began to hand those out. 942 00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,246 And we saw that the need was greater. 943 00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:39,136 And so we developed the Garden Grocery Food Pantry, 944 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,096 and we began to purchase food. 945 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,416 And we allowed people, we're an emergency food bank 946 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,986 and that we're supposed to assist people 947 00:50:48,010 --> 00:50:50,986 who are in between maybe jobs, 948 00:50:51,010 --> 00:50:54,516 people who are in between filing for disability, 949 00:50:54,540 --> 00:50:58,566 social security to help with food items. 950 00:50:58,590 --> 00:51:00,673 My joke is always, "If you don't like butter beans", 951 00:51:00,697 --> 00:51:02,936 "you don't have to take the butter beans." 952 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,676 You can go and you can shop for what meets your needs. 953 00:51:05,700 --> 00:51:08,026 - We have a mother that has five children. 954 00:51:08,050 --> 00:51:09,746 Her husband's already died of AIDS, 955 00:51:09,770 --> 00:51:11,696 and she's HIV positive. 956 00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:13,986 Some days she just doesn't get to talk to anybody. 957 00:51:14,010 --> 00:51:15,700 Everybody calls her with their problems, 958 00:51:15,724 --> 00:51:18,646 and she doesn't have anybody to talk to, 959 00:51:18,670 --> 00:51:20,436 because she doesn't wanna burden her children. 960 00:51:20,460 --> 00:51:24,276 So she'll come here and ask us to pray for her, 961 00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:25,539 and we'll just have prayer 962 00:51:25,563 --> 00:51:27,236 and give her a hug. 963 00:51:27,260 --> 00:51:29,946 And we just try to show 'em love and respect 964 00:51:29,970 --> 00:51:33,382 and that's our main thing. 965 00:51:33,406 --> 00:51:35,823 (soft music) 966 00:51:54,795 --> 00:51:56,057 (congregation cheers) 967 00:51:56,081 --> 00:51:59,414 (congregation clapping) 968 00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,186 - St. Jerome will always have a special place in my heart, 969 00:52:06,210 --> 00:52:09,623 not only because of the openness, 970 00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:15,526 the welcoming nature, the feeling of family 971 00:52:15,550 --> 00:52:17,866 that I feel here, but it's also the place 972 00:52:17,890 --> 00:52:20,926 that I was able to walk down the aisle 973 00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:24,476 with my partner and exchange vows 974 00:52:24,500 --> 00:52:27,946 and hug each other and cry together 975 00:52:27,970 --> 00:52:32,970 and be wed and truly receive all the sacraments 976 00:52:33,260 --> 00:52:35,646 that the Catholic Church offer. 977 00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:40,670 My partner is technically new to the faith, 978 00:52:41,130 --> 00:52:44,486 and he's received baptism. 979 00:52:44,510 --> 00:52:46,556 He's been confirmed. 980 00:52:46,580 --> 00:52:51,580 We received marriage, sacrament of marriage in this church. 981 00:52:53,490 --> 00:52:56,650 This place forever be a beacon 982 00:52:57,550 --> 00:53:01,146 and a place of light to me, 983 00:53:01,170 --> 00:53:03,856 because it's the only place I've felt 984 00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,726 that I can truly be part of church, 985 00:53:06,750 --> 00:53:09,786 I can truly be part of worshiping God 986 00:53:09,810 --> 00:53:14,026 and not be worried about what society 987 00:53:14,050 --> 00:53:15,913 or the community thinks about me. 988 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,226 - I think being an organization, 989 00:53:20,250 --> 00:53:22,686 whether it's a church or whatever 990 00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:23,866 has got a life cycle, 991 00:53:23,890 --> 00:53:25,786 and it's sort of gone through its birth 992 00:53:25,810 --> 00:53:29,296 and its growing up years and its teenage years, 993 00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,396 which can be very rocky and somewhat rebellious, (laughs) 994 00:53:33,420 --> 00:53:37,106 And in some ways maybe we are in our 20's or some odd. 995 00:53:37,130 --> 00:53:39,356 And so now I think it's a good time 996 00:53:39,380 --> 00:53:42,426 to think about, "Okay, who do we wanna be now?" 997 00:53:42,450 --> 00:53:44,796 Like after you get out of high school or college, 998 00:53:44,820 --> 00:53:47,076 it's like, "What direction do I wanna take my life now?" 999 00:53:47,100 --> 00:53:50,293 Maybe that's kinda where we're at as a church is, 1000 00:53:50,317 --> 00:53:52,613 "Okay, we've come all this far," 1001 00:53:52,637 --> 00:53:54,993 "and we've grown a lot, done a lot of things" 1002 00:53:55,017 --> 00:53:56,483 "and kind of experienced things together." 1003 00:53:56,507 --> 00:53:58,656 "So what do we wanna do next?" 1004 00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,096 And so that's gonna be kind of exciting I think. 1005 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,506 - What I've learned is that there is a role 1006 00:54:03,530 --> 00:54:05,326 in St. Jerome's to continue, 1007 00:54:05,350 --> 00:54:09,318 because you are truly accepted here. 1008 00:54:09,342 --> 00:54:12,747 ♪ People's need ♪ 1009 00:54:12,771 --> 00:54:15,188 ♪ Hallelujah ♪ 1010 00:54:16,143 --> 00:54:18,676 - When you come here, you feel at home. 1011 00:54:18,700 --> 00:54:22,806 I mean, everybody, we're one big family here. 1012 00:54:22,830 --> 00:54:26,280 It's not like any other traditional church 1013 00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:28,346 that I've ever been to, 1014 00:54:28,370 --> 00:54:30,816 and I've been to 'em in Guatemala, Mexico, 1015 00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,946 all over the Midwest and on the West Coast. 1016 00:54:34,970 --> 00:54:36,656 And not one have I ever met 1017 00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,956 where the priest has gone out of his way 1018 00:54:38,980 --> 00:54:41,446 to come see you or in hospital, 1019 00:54:41,470 --> 00:54:46,403 or vestry members call you 'cause you are sick or something. 1020 00:54:47,650 --> 00:54:49,886 It's just a unique place. 1021 00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:52,026 - St. Jerome is like an oasis 1022 00:54:52,050 --> 00:54:55,586 or like the best kept secret in Tulsa 1023 00:54:55,610 --> 00:54:56,986 when it comes to worshiping. 1024 00:54:57,010 --> 00:54:58,376 - I think this church has made it through 1025 00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,976 all the ups and downs, because it's like your family. 1026 00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:02,536 Every family has issues, 1027 00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,086 and you work through them, 1028 00:55:04,110 --> 00:55:06,606 you come out better on the other side. 1029 00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:08,196 I think it's because of the connectedness 1030 00:55:08,220 --> 00:55:09,486 of all the people that are here 1031 00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:12,746 and how important this place is to each person 1032 00:55:12,770 --> 00:55:14,076 is the reason we've been able to make it through 1033 00:55:14,100 --> 00:55:15,736 some of those difficult times. 1034 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,096 - I do not want gays to go back in the closet. 1035 00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,106 I do not want women to become subservient. 1036 00:55:20,130 --> 00:55:21,556 I don't want slavery. 1037 00:55:21,580 --> 00:55:23,466 Those are all biblical values. 1038 00:55:23,490 --> 00:55:24,866 That's why I go nuts with people. 1039 00:55:24,890 --> 00:55:26,846 They say, "Oh, we should have biblical values." 1040 00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:28,183 Have they read the book? 1041 00:55:29,830 --> 00:55:31,946 I mean, there's wonderful things in the book, 1042 00:55:31,970 --> 00:55:35,136 but there's also some bad things in the book. 1043 00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,056 And one has to be sophisticated enough 1044 00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:38,910 to deal with that. 1045 00:55:38,934 --> 00:55:42,606 - I think our greatest accomplishment is holding 1046 00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:47,630 to our mission or all-inclusiveness, 1047 00:55:49,794 --> 00:55:52,013 but I really still believe that 1048 00:55:52,037 --> 00:55:53,976 and our people act that out. 1049 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,246 It's not that we do everything perfect. 1050 00:55:56,270 --> 00:55:57,939 It's not that we don't have our prejudices, 1051 00:55:57,963 --> 00:55:59,733 because we all have them. 1052 00:56:00,900 --> 00:56:03,366 - No one is considered to be an outcast at St. Jerome, 1053 00:56:03,390 --> 00:56:05,306 whether you're homeless, you're transgender, 1054 00:56:05,330 --> 00:56:07,684 you're gay, you're a divorced person, 1055 00:56:07,708 --> 00:56:11,366 you are whatever, you're welcome at St. Jerome. 1056 00:56:11,390 --> 00:56:14,396 We have a very, varied family, 1057 00:56:14,420 --> 00:56:17,476 and I think that's we're welcoming to everyone. 1058 00:56:17,500 --> 00:56:18,656 And I think that's one of the things 1059 00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:20,586 that has set us apart in the past 1060 00:56:20,610 --> 00:56:23,386 is that it doesn't matter who you are, 1061 00:56:23,410 --> 00:56:24,396 you're welcome here. 1062 00:56:24,420 --> 00:56:27,526 - I feel very safe here, 1063 00:56:27,550 --> 00:56:30,126 and I feel like this church is my family. 1064 00:56:30,150 --> 00:56:33,126 I sit here on that first row every Sunday 1065 00:56:33,150 --> 00:56:35,986 and I watch everyone come to communion, 1066 00:56:36,010 --> 00:56:38,933 and I think, "We're all God's children." 1067 00:56:38,957 --> 00:56:42,490 "We're all so different, but yet we're all a family." 1068 00:56:43,810 --> 00:56:47,586 - I watch these people love people. 1069 00:56:47,610 --> 00:56:52,610 I watch them love those who come through our doors. 1070 00:56:52,650 --> 00:56:57,650 I truly watch them act out the gospel of Christ, 1071 00:56:57,909 --> 00:57:01,506 and to create an environment of that 1072 00:57:01,530 --> 00:57:04,006 that really is what we do, 1073 00:57:04,030 --> 00:57:05,980 I think is our greatest accomplishment. 1074 00:57:11,054 --> 00:57:13,887 (inspiring music) 1075 00:57:57,940 --> 00:58:00,857 (soft piano music) 82740

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