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(INDISTINCT CONVERSATION)
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REPORTER 1: Do you have any last
minute comments before you go in, sir?
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REPORTER 2: What are you
planning to do in court today?
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We're asking the court to
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order the Immigration and
Naturalization Service
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to recognize the validity of the marriage
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between Tony Sullivan and Richard Adams.
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Tony is an Australian citizen,
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and he is seeking, uh, through Richard
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to be permitted to stay in this
country on a permanent basis
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as the spouse of an American citizen.
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REPORTER 3: Has there been
a case like this before or
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is this a precedent setting case?
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Uh, there's never been a
case involving whether or not
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gay men or women have the
right to marry one another
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brought in the federal
courts. This is the first one.
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I'm not going to be separated
from Richard unless he decided
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he did not want to be with
me. And it's the same,
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you know, both ways.
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We've gotten closer and closer
as the years have passed by.
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It's an amazing,
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incredibly intimate
feeling, and it's grown.
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(UTENSILS BANGING)
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RICHARD: There I go. TONY: Take
the chicken out of the box.
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RICHARD: Why not? TONY:
I think it looks so good.
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Where is the champagne?
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I thought I brought it in, maybe
it was in the fridge outside.
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Oh, probably, probably.
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Okay.
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(POP)
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All right.
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Well, mon cheri, bon anniversary...
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40 years! 40 years. Oh!
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Cuarenta,yes.
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Now come and kissy, poo. Mmm! Mmm!
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Yes, thank you.
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Isn't it wonderful? Yeah.
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Well, Rich, life turned out different
to what both of us expected.
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Very different,
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and yet you know I had a
dream about this whole thing
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way back in the '70s.
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People told us that we had a pipe dream,
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but we got every country in
the world almost discussing
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the gay immigration issue and
the same-sex marriage issue.
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Two issues that were not being
discussed when we started.
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We were dreamers... Hmm.
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But we still believed
that love will triumph.
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Yeah. And change the world.
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(LAUGHS) Yeah.
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Mmm.
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LAVI SOLOWAY: We're blessed
today that we have with us
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Tony and Richard
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who just celebrated their
40th anniversary together.
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Two people that I consider truly pioneers.
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They took on a fight
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when they met 40 years
ago here in Los Angeles
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that was not a fight that
anybody could have imagined.
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They laid the foundation to have
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marriage recognized by
the federal governments.
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So, thanks to Tony and Richard.
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(APPLAUSE)
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I'm in a bi-national same-sex relationship,
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and my partner last month
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was denied reentry into
the United States. Oh, no.
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I went back to Italy to meet his family,
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and on our return back
through Washington D.C,
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they found out we were a couple,
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and for that reason, they
would not renew his visa.
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It's devastating when you
have what has happened to you.
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I mean, the whole bottom
drops out of everything.
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It's like, "What?"
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There's 36,000 Americans that
are facing this right now.
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You know, I've waited all my
life for this person. Yeah.
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And when you find them and you realize
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you're a second-class citizen.
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There's no nice way of saying that.
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DAVID ROSS: Okay, one, two three.
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(CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS)
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So what we're doing is,
we're gonna try and document
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as many bi-national same-sex
couples as we can in America.
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And then the idea is to blur out
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the face of the person who's
from the other country.
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'Cause a lot of times,
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they're very rarely in the relationship
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psychologically, physically or otherwise.
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We're lucky we've lasted.
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Yeah. But, I think it's
'cause we're each other's
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best friends, that's why it lasts.
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You know, I'm still waiting to
find my best friend. (ALL LAUGH)
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Do you want to have your picture
taken? Okay, we'll have one.
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Well, that's white.
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Strange illusion, isn't it? Yeah.
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Oh, are you okay? Yeah.
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That's right, that's right.
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Ready? One, two three.
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(CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS)
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RICHARD: Tony and I met
on Cinco de Mayo in 1971.
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I was 24, living in LA.
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TONY: And I was 29.
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I was on an around the
world trip from Australia.
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I had a non-immigrant visa.
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I had no intention of staying here,
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and had no intention of falling in love.
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RICHARD: We met in a bar called The Closet.
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TONY: This bar had a big leather curtain
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that you came through,
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and he came through in the afternoon,
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and the blazing light was behind him.
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And then you know, my heart gave a leap.
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RICHARD: We got talking
and before you know it
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we were setting a date the next day,
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going to Greta Garbo's star
on Hollywood Boulevard.
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So...(LAUGHS)
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TONY: We found we had things in common.
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RICHARD: We were both very
idealistic at that time.
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The feminist movement started,
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the gay movement was just starting.
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TONY: I felt that there was
an artistic soul in Richard,
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and on top of that, he
was drop dead gorgeous.
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TONY: So was he.(LAUGHS)
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CATHY ADAMS: My brother
and Tony are opposites.
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It's like salt pepper,
yin and yang, oil water.
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My brother's quiet
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and easy-going.
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Tony is boisterous.
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He reminded us of Robert Redford.
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I always thought he was
too smart. (CHUCKLES)
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When Richard brought Tony to our house,
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I was 10.
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While we were growing up,
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they took us everywhere,
did everything with us.
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Right off the bat, we all
as siblings accepted Tony.
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TONY: I never expected
really to have a family
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in the context of being a gay person.
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I did not have a happy life
before knowing Richard,
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so this was the first place
in the world I had been happy.
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TONY: I grew up privileged in the '40s,
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but it was a very, very
abusive home situation.
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I mean, my mother even at one stage
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was even going to have me lobotomized
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because I was gay.
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And thank God, my father stopped her.
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I was very difficult
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and Richard nurtured and cared for me
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in a way that no one else in my whole life
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had done for me.
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(SIRENS BLARING)
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RICHARD: I was aware of his
immigration status because
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Tony had a multiple-entry visa.
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(HELICOPTER WHIRRING)
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TONY: I would go to Mexico
and cross the border
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and take my passport and get it re-stamped
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every three months.
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When you keep getting stamps
in your passport regularly,
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you're obviously going
in and out of the country
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in order to extend your stay.
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We were bending the rules.
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Crossing the border, there
was always the chance
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that the immigration official would say,
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"We know what you're doing",
and separating us then.
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LAVI: When Tony and Richard
met in the early 1970s
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as citizens of two different countries,
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there was no country in the world
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that provided for immigration
for same-sex couples.
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There was no country in the
world that was discussing
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immigration rights for same-sex couples.
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And they had no country to go to.
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The United States had a long
list of undesirable people,
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and gay and lesbian people were
considered sexual deviants.
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(WHEELS SCREECHING)
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LAVI: Quite literally,
a gay or lesbian person
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could arrive at an airport
in the United States
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and their sexual orientation
might be something
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that could become known to a
customs or immigration official.
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That person would have the
power to turn them around
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and send them on a plane
back to where they came from.
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RICHARD: We had this gray cloud over us.
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It was very difficult because
Tony didn't want to get closer
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in case a separation would occur.
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So we had to start thinking of
a way to stay together, uh...
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He wasn't a student.
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And there's no way that
two men can stay together.
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Any heterosexual couple in
the exact same situation
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would simply fill out a form,
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attach to it their marriage certificate,
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and eventually they would
go through an interview
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and get a green card.
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TONY: We realized that the
only thing that was stopping us
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from being able to remain
together was the fact that
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we were two men and couldn't get married.
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And then out of the blue, out of nowhere
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we saw the most incredible news.
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CLELA ROREX: In 1975,
a gay couple came to me
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and they asked for a marriage license.
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At the time, I didn't
even know any gay couples.
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I was being faced
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with a very
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profound type of moral issue
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of would I discriminate against
two people of the same sex
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when I had been so
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involved for the last few years of my life
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of fighting discrimination against women?
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I thought I would have to
get a legal opinion on it
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from our District Attorney
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and they determined that
there was nothing in
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the Colorado Marriage Code
that would prohibit me
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from issuing a marriage license
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to two people of the same
sex if I wanted to do so.
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And at that point, I gave
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the first same-sex marriage license.
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JOHNNY CARSON: Now, you'll
think I'm making this up.
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But in Boulder, Colorado today
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a man was really steamed
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because they have had
some marriages back there
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of people of the same sex.
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And they performed you
know, uh, gay marriages.
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And he was so angry they did
that, he went in and applied
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for a license to marry his horse.
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(AUDIENCE LAUGHING)
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Now, you can make up your own jokes, or...
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(LOUD LAUGHTER)
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CLELA: He came to the Office
of County Clerk and Recorder,
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and he had a line all prepared.
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"If a man can marry man,
and a woman can marry woman,
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"why can't a tired old cowboy like
me marry his best friend Dolly?"
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And I asked the age of Dolly.
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And he said, "Eight years old."
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And at that point, I just
simply laid down my pen
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and said, "I'm sorry.
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"Dolly is under age."
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TONY: Richard and I figured, well,
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they've allowed it to go on for a month,
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Johnny Carson has talked
about it so we know
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the government can't claim ignorance.
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Therefore this must be valid.
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And so, we then flew to
Boulder to get married.
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RICHARD: I remember our wedding day
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in Colorado very well.
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Took our friends, our ministers,
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flew to Boulder, and it was very exciting.
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The press picked up on it and
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it was really quite chaotic.
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TONY: We were very sort of conscious
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that if we weren't careful,
it'd be a three ring circus,
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which we didn't want.
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We got the license in the morning,
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and immediately got married.
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Took the license straight
back into the office,
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and it was registered.
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To this day, it is on the official records
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of the state of Colorado.
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Because I had been told by
the Immigration Department
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that a marriage had to be consummated
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before it was legal in the United States,
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we then immediately went back
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to the house where we were staying.
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And in a guest room, on a big round bed,
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we consummated the marriage.
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I said to Richard,
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"Ah, that's the shot that
was heard around the world."
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(LAUGHING)
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When we held the press conference,
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we then announced that the marriage now
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was fully legal because
it had been consummated.
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The love I had for him at
that, that moment, I...
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I hope everyone has a
chance to feel that in life.
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I was very naive about the degree
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of animosity that emerged.
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People from all over the
country wrote letters about
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how could I make a decision
supporting two fags?
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And the pressure was unrelenting.
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Even my good democratic
friends were quite furious
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that I'd brought up such an issue.
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J.D. MACFARLANE: The
Colorado Marriage Statute
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does not recognize
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a marriage between
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a man and a man, or a woman and a woman.
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It only recognizes a marriage
between a man and a woman.
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CLELA: The six marriage
licenses that I had issued
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really went into a state of limbo
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after the Attorney
General made his opinion.
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There was never an order
issued that they were invalid,
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and I believe that the marriage licenses
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should be viewed as valid under the law.
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TONY: After we got married
in Boulder, Colorado,
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we flew back to Los Angeles.
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Richard worked for Avis Rent-A-Car,
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a company he had worked with for years.
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But I wasn't allowed to
work without a proper visa.
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I did work for a short time
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at a gay bathhouse.
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Got paid under the table.
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I also would make ceramics,
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and go around the art fairs
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and that contributed to our income.
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But Richard basically carried
us at that point in time.
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RICHARD: My life changed
overnight when we got married.
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All of a sudden,
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everyone looked at me differently.
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Especially because of the
publicity it had gotten.
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My job where I worked over 10 years,
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they harassed me and I was terminated.
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I had to fight for my job back.
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My mother said, "I don't believe in
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"what you're doing, but I still love you."
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I came here from the Philippines
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when I was 12 years old.
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I became a US citizen when I turned 21,
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and some of my Filipino aunts and uncles
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had a very difficult time
with our relationship.
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After we got married,
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my mother wrote me a missive
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which began with the words,
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"I can endure no more."
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She said, "Perversion is bad enough,
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"but public display never."
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And then she signed the letter,
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"It is finished."
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And she never did write to me
again, and I was disinherited.
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(SOBS)
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RICHARD: When we got married,
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the very first thing I did
do was to apply for Tony
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to have a green card as a
spouse of an American citizen.
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That way we could stay together.
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TONY: When I opened the letter,
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I handed it to the postman,
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and I said, "Excuse me,
have I read that correctly?"
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And he looked at it, and sort of reacted,
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and obviously was quite shocked.
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And then I just handed it over to
Richard, and said, "It's your government."
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That was appalling.
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The decision was turned down because,
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"You have failed to establish
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"that a bona fide marital relationship
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"can exist between two faggots."
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It was inconceivable to me.
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I had never thought of anyone
in government ever using
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the word fag or a poof or a queer
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or any of those words.
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I, I just thought, uh, government
had more dignity than that.
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LAVI: The Immigration Service recognized
that that was inappropriate language
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and also an inappropriate basis for denial.
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And they followed up quickly with
a just as offensive denial letter.
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TONY: In denying Richard's petition,
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they were in effect
denying me a green card.
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That would result in me
having to leave the country.
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PROTESTORS: (CHANTING) Justice! Justice!
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Gay power!
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TONY: The Sunday after the faggot letter,
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Reverend Troy Perry of the MCC Church
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had a 500 person demonstration downtown
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at the federal building on our behalf.
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When we got the faggot letter,
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I knew decent people would be shocked
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by their government
using the word "faggot."
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And maybe we would get some
kind of hearing as a result.
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We went to the ACLU,
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some of our so-called movers and shakers
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told me that they weren't
interested in the case because
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we were a losing battle at that point.
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But the faggot letter
had got so much publicity
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that they sort of off-handedly referred us
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to an attorney called David Brown.
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What we're trying to do
is to educate the courts,
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and the public,
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about something that has existed
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for thousands of years, and that is
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a meaningful relationship
between two gay persons.
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There's nothing new about it.
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The only thing new
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is that gay people now are saying,
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uh, we're tired of being
discriminated against legally.
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CATHY: When my brother
and Tony started this,
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it was unheard of.
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It took a lot of courage
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because back then,
nobody had any tolerance.
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There was discrimination on every level.
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The Supreme Court today ruled
that the individual states
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are not violating constitutional rights
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when they pass laws against
private homosexual relations
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between consenting adults.
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REPORTER 1: The opposition to the gays
is being led by the singer Anita Bryant,
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to those who call her a religious bigot
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she tells of her Christian Love.
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I love homosexuals, if
you can believe that.
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But I know that the
homosexual can turn from,
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uh, sin the same as any individual
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that, uh, that they can be ex-homosexuals
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the same as there can be an ex-murderer,
an ex-thief or an ex-anybody.
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REPORTER 1: Voters in
California will be deciding
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Proposition 6.
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It would call for firing
any teachers in California
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who practice or advocate homosexuality.
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Do you want a sexually disoriented
person teaching your child?
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HARVEY MILK: The child
molester is heterosexual,
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the rapist is heterosexual,
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most murderers are heterosexual,
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do you want those people
to teach our children?
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REPORTER 2: The bodies of Moscone,
who had been mayor for three years,
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and Milk, the city's
first avowed homosexual
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to secure higher office,
were brought out a rear door.
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REPORTER: So now the leader of
San Francisco's establishment,
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and one of the leaders of San
Francisco's anti-establishment
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are both dead.
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I am legally married to Richard
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by the laws of this country,
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and that's why we're here today
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asking the compassion and
understanding and equal rights
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of heterosexuals in our case.
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(SINGING)
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LAVI: Tony and Richard went
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to the federal court and argued that
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their marriage should be valid
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for federal immigration law purposes.
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And that to discriminate against them
because they were a marriage of two men
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is unconstitutional discrimination.
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TONY: Under the name of Richard in
a case called Adams v. Howerton,
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we filed suit against the United States.
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Today, uh, we're asking Judge Hill
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to order the Immigration Service
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to recognize that these two
men are in fact married.
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They love one another, and they have
the right to live with one another
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in the United States.
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REPORTER: What will happen if
Judge Hill turns down your request?
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Uh, we will appeal to the
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Federal Court of Appeals
for the Ninth Circuit,
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and we'll take this case
as far as we have to.
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TONY: A US district judge ruled against us.
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He said he didn't have
to recognize our marriage
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because marriage was intended to be between
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a man and a woman for the
propagation of the species.
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That case went through to the
Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.
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We lost in the court and so as a result,
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we then filed an action
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with the Supreme Court of the United States
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who declined to hear the case.
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REPORTER: You say now, because you've
been gone so long from Australia
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that it would be a hardship
for you to go back there.
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Richard doesn't qualify for
immigration into Australia,
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and so sending me to Australia
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would be separating me from Richard.
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LAVI: At the same time Richard and Tony,
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proceeded with a second strand
of their legal strategy,
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which was to challenge
the deportation of Tony.
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And to request
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the Immigration Court that
his deportation be suspended,
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because it would cause extreme hardship
to Tony to be deported to Australia.
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TONY: We had a hearing before Judge Griffin
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of the Immigration and
Naturalization Service.
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And this judge said that
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it would cause no emotional
hardship to separate us.
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REPORTER: How do you
feel about the decision?
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If, uh, Tony and Richard
were a heterosexual couple,
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Tony would be permitted to
remain in the United States.
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REPORTER: Are you planning
on appealing this issue?
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TONY: We then took the case to
the Federal Court of Appeals.
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The quality of argument by
our opposition was not good.
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First of all, the woman
got the countries mixed up,
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our names mixed up,
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and finally in desperation she said,
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"Oh, he can go back to Australia
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"and have another one
of those relationships."
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LAVI: And so, finally their case
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found its way to the desk
of Judge Anthony Kennedy,
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who at the time was
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an associate judge of the
Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.
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The three-judge panel ruled
against Tony and Richard
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in a two-to-one decision
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written by Judge Anthony Kennedy.
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Justice Kennedy has gone on to become a
member of the United States Supreme Court.
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In his decision,
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he found that the Board
of Immigration Appeals
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had not abused its discretion
in ruling against them
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and let that ruling stand.
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Judge Kennedy's decision
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effectively ended Tony and
Richard's legal strategy,
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and it left them with 60 days
to leave the United States.
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We still, in the back of our minds
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was hoping that something will happen.
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We felt we had been through the courts,
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the last place left was the
court of public opinion.
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I think if two guys want to get married
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that's their business and why
don't we let them get married?
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(APPLAUSE)
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Letting guys get married is
the beginning of the end,
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it's Sodom and Gomorrah,
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I don't think it's a moral thing to do.
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And I think it should be prohibited by law.
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(APPLAUSE)
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Anthony Sullivan and Richard Adams join us.
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Is there a caller? Hi, I'm glad you waited.
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WOMAN ON PHONE: I believe
homosexuality is wrong to start with.
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Marriage between them
is absolutely ludicrous.
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(APPLAUSE)
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AUDIENCE MEMBER: They
want to get married now.
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Tomorrow they'll want to get
joint insurance policies.
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The next day they'll want to
file their taxes together.
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Before you know it,
they're gonna want to vote.
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So he can go on welfare and we're
gonna pay for his spouse. I'm not.
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TONY: We subsidize all these benefits
that people are getting through marriage.
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Gay people are taxed.
502
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:30,080
We pay our taxes along with everyone else
503
00:28:30,100 --> 00:28:31,870
and we don't get benefits.
504
00:28:31,890 --> 00:28:32,410
(APPLAUSE)
505
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,370
You are an illegal alien, and I think
we should give you a lottery ticket
506
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,890
and send you back where you came from.
507
00:28:37,940 --> 00:28:39,730
(CHEERING)
508
00:28:40,690 --> 00:28:43,750
I started to get disillusioned
because I didn't realize
509
00:28:43,770 --> 00:28:46,830
that there was so much hatred there.
510
00:28:46,850 --> 00:28:47,750
It was very painful,
511
00:28:47,770 --> 00:28:52,940
and, uh, it was a very
uncomfortable period of my life.
512
00:28:57,690 --> 00:28:58,870
This Saturday, Anthony Sullivan
513
00:28:58,890 --> 00:29:01,790
is scheduled to be deported
to his native Australia.
514
00:29:01,810 --> 00:29:05,120
It will end his 10-year battle
to stay in this country.
515
00:29:05,140 --> 00:29:07,200
Joining us this morning is Mr. Harold Ezell
516
00:29:07,230 --> 00:29:10,330
of the Immigration Naturalization
Service. Good morning.
517
00:29:10,350 --> 00:29:13,160
Does the INS recognize
this marriage certificate
518
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:17,890
from the State of Colorado
I'm holding as, as legal?
519
00:29:18,060 --> 00:29:18,540
No, we do not.
520
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,830
There is no provision for a marriage
between two people of the same-sex.
521
00:29:22,850 --> 00:29:25,830
Who would have to change that
if it were to be changed?
522
00:29:25,850 --> 00:29:29,870
That has to be changed by
the United States Congress.
523
00:29:29,890 --> 00:29:30,830
TONY: How would he feel
524
00:29:30,850 --> 00:29:33,870
if someone came along to
him and his wife and said,
525
00:29:33,890 --> 00:29:36,870
"We're sorry, we're going to
separate you and send you out
526
00:29:36,890 --> 00:29:38,540
"into the world where you have no country."
527
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:43,160
My sympathy stands with people who
have come to this country legally.
528
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:44,870
And I'd like to ask, do you intend
529
00:29:44,890 --> 00:29:48,870
to leave our country, go wherever
you want on the 23rd of November?
530
00:29:48,890 --> 00:29:50,000
REPORTER: You will leave
with Anthony? Oh...
531
00:29:50,020 --> 00:29:52,080
We're both leaving. We're
not going to be separated.
532
00:29:52,100 --> 00:29:53,450
TONY: And we have nowhere to go.
533
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:54,870
And even that... REPORTER:
Why not Australia?
534
00:29:54,890 --> 00:29:57,250
Australia turned down
Richard's application.
535
00:29:57,270 --> 00:30:00,620
I mean, he's giving up a
job of 17 and a half years.
536
00:30:00,650 --> 00:30:02,660
We have a relationship of 14 years.
537
00:30:02,690 --> 00:30:04,080
We're giving up a home of 10 years.
538
00:30:04,100 --> 00:30:06,870
REPORTER: Mr. Ezell, no more appeals right?
539
00:30:06,890 --> 00:30:07,290
That's right.
540
00:30:07,310 --> 00:30:11,100
REPORTER: It's over, this is Today on NBC.
541
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:21,890
RICHARD: We had to get
rid of all our things.
542
00:30:22,690 --> 00:30:24,810
It was so hectic.
543
00:30:25,690 --> 00:30:29,560
TONY: I can deal with
giving up our possessions,
544
00:30:29,770 --> 00:30:32,500
but I can't deal with the separation from,
545
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:33,890
from my friends.
546
00:30:36,810 --> 00:30:39,540
We keep hoping it's not gonna come,
547
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,870
probably won't hit us until
we do leave the airport.
548
00:30:42,890 --> 00:30:45,600
But we keep praying for them.
549
00:30:49,310 --> 00:30:50,080
(INDISTINCT CHATTERING)
550
00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:53,190
TONY: It was a media circus at the airport.
551
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,910
There were people in
suits from the government
552
00:30:56,940 --> 00:30:58,940
watching what was going on.
553
00:30:59,890 --> 00:31:02,560
RICHARD: It was the most difficult period.
554
00:31:05,890 --> 00:31:08,810
I had to leave my family.
555
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,310
It was almost like death.
556
00:31:19,890 --> 00:31:21,890
(JET ENGINES ROAR)
557
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:36,140
We landed in Heathrow where we
were just totally exhausted.
558
00:31:38,060 --> 00:31:41,870
TONY: We floated around the
continent for many months,
559
00:31:41,890 --> 00:31:43,870
fortunately our closest friend
560
00:31:43,890 --> 00:31:46,080
uh, bought us a Eurail
pass and we used that
561
00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:47,950
going from country to country around Europe
562
00:31:47,980 --> 00:31:52,350
in the coldest winter of
the century at that time.
563
00:31:53,890 --> 00:31:56,080
RICHARD: We had very little money.
564
00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:58,250
We had close friends who helped
565
00:31:58,270 --> 00:32:00,730
buy some clothes and boots.
566
00:32:01,890 --> 00:32:04,870
I felt such a severe separation from
567
00:32:04,890 --> 00:32:08,520
my family that I had been with all my life.
568
00:32:09,850 --> 00:32:11,870
TONY: And I remember we just said,
569
00:32:11,890 --> 00:32:14,410
"We belong home, in Los Angeles."
570
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,370
We needed to be back with
our friends and our family,
571
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,890
people who made our life meaningful.
572
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:27,400
The problem was my reentry
into the United States.
573
00:32:29,060 --> 00:32:31,100
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
574
00:32:34,850 --> 00:32:35,460
TONY: We got to Mexico
575
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,600
where my friend Jeremy
was there to meet us.
576
00:32:38,730 --> 00:32:42,520
He had no idea he was bringing
me home at that point in time.
577
00:32:49,890 --> 00:32:51,200
The big problem was crossing the border,
578
00:32:51,230 --> 00:32:54,890
and I'll be quite honest I,
I was shit scared about it.
579
00:32:57,140 --> 00:32:58,980
(SIRENS BLARING)
580
00:32:59,140 --> 00:33:00,040
And then we got to the border,
581
00:33:00,060 --> 00:33:02,660
and I had two days growth
on, and I put on a,
582
00:33:02,690 --> 00:33:05,890
a cap like someone from
Bakersfield would wear.
583
00:33:06,890 --> 00:33:12,290
I was hoping to exploit the racism
of the immigration border people.
584
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:14,940
They were looking for non-white people.
585
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,500
And the American border person
586
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,080
put his head in the window and said,
587
00:33:20,100 --> 00:33:21,500
"Are you Americans?"
588
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,200
And Jeremy showed...
589
00:33:23,230 --> 00:33:24,870
He started to show his driver's license,
590
00:33:24,890 --> 00:33:25,870
before he goes any further the guy just...
591
00:33:25,890 --> 00:33:28,870
Just looked at me and said, "Of
course you are. Of course you are.
592
00:33:28,890 --> 00:33:29,250
"Go across."
593
00:33:29,270 --> 00:33:31,120
And Jeremy started to get
all excited, and I said,
594
00:33:31,140 --> 00:33:35,410
"No, no, no. You've got to stay absolutely
calm till we get round the corner."
595
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,870
He later told me before he died,
596
00:33:37,890 --> 00:33:38,250
he died of AIDS,
597
00:33:38,270 --> 00:33:41,980
that it was the moment he was
the proudest of in his life.
598
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:44,870
And of course,
599
00:33:44,890 --> 00:33:48,270
I am totally, completely
and utterly illegal now.
600
00:34:00,850 --> 00:34:05,730
RICHARD: Oh, we have been
very much underground.
601
00:34:05,980 --> 00:34:06,870
In a way, we needed that
602
00:34:06,890 --> 00:34:08,450
because we needed a lot of healing
603
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,200
and we didn't want any publicity
604
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:13,190
and we wanted to just be quiet for a while.
605
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:17,870
TONY: Being undocumented
606
00:34:17,890 --> 00:34:19,870
meant that I was not allowed to work,
607
00:34:19,890 --> 00:34:23,600
so any employment was under the table.
608
00:34:24,890 --> 00:34:27,410
Even though I took over as manager
609
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:28,370
of an apartment building,
610
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,060
economically, the
deprivation was horrendous.
611
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,870
RICHARD: I had this job
612
00:34:34,890 --> 00:34:38,040
working for lawyers at a law firm,
613
00:34:38,060 --> 00:34:42,600
which was very helpful to
get a little bit of money.
614
00:34:44,020 --> 00:34:47,000
LAVI: Tony and Richard had no
options except for hiding out,
615
00:34:47,020 --> 00:34:50,250
trying to make a life on
the margins of society
616
00:34:50,270 --> 00:34:52,870
with no proper identity documents.
617
00:34:52,890 --> 00:34:56,020
And so they couldn't
leave the United States.
618
00:34:57,890 --> 00:34:58,660
TONY: At the same time
619
00:34:58,690 --> 00:35:01,660
that we were in seclusion from
the Immigration Department,
620
00:35:01,690 --> 00:35:06,890
my mother died and I had not
had a reconciliation with her.
621
00:35:09,890 --> 00:35:10,500
And my brother,
622
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,000
the only blood family I
had left, dropped dead.
623
00:35:14,020 --> 00:35:16,890
And I couldn't go to either funeral.
624
00:35:16,940 --> 00:35:18,540
I couldn't risk going to Australia
625
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:19,870
and not being able to get back,
626
00:35:19,890 --> 00:35:21,750
and had I been left separate from Richard,
627
00:35:21,770 --> 00:35:23,400
I would have been desperate.
628
00:35:23,890 --> 00:35:27,890
And on top of that, we came back
to our friends dying of AIDS,
629
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,250
the people I loved the most,
630
00:35:30,270 --> 00:35:32,980
including our attorney David Brown.
631
00:35:33,810 --> 00:35:36,330
We sat by their deathbeds and
went through it with them,
632
00:35:36,350 --> 00:35:41,520
as have so many members of our community
gone through such an experience.
633
00:35:45,060 --> 00:35:49,290
The late '80s, early '90s was a
horrible period for all of us.
634
00:35:49,310 --> 00:35:51,890
A horrible period for the lot of us.
635
00:35:59,270 --> 00:36:01,950
CONGRESSMAN: This bill represents
636
00:36:01,980 --> 00:36:04,080
the first truly comprehensive
637
00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:08,890
reform of US immigration
law that has ever occurred.
638
00:36:16,890 --> 00:36:20,500
REPORTER: Hawaii is considering
legalizing gay marriages.
639
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:21,790
Openly gay congressman Barney Frank
640
00:36:21,810 --> 00:36:26,000
scoffed at warnings that the
institution of marriage is threatened.
641
00:36:26,020 --> 00:36:28,410
Well, gee, Hawaii is pretty far away,
642
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,310
won't the ocean stop it?
643
00:36:32,060 --> 00:36:33,080
Congress was worried that if
644
00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:34,950
Hawaii allowed same-sex marriages,
645
00:36:34,980 --> 00:36:37,890
the practice would spread to other states.
646
00:36:40,100 --> 00:36:43,870
The Defense of Marriage Act
would establish a simple,
647
00:36:43,890 --> 00:36:49,540
clear federal definition of
marriage as the legal union
648
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,950
of one man and one woman,
649
00:36:51,980 --> 00:36:55,450
and it will exempt sovereign
states from being compelled
650
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,700
by a half-baked interpretation
of the US Constitution.
651
00:36:59,730 --> 00:37:01,540
We all know what is going on here.
652
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:07,370
I regard this bill as a mean spirited form
of Republican legislative gay-bashing,
653
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,700
cynically calculated to
try and inflame the public
654
00:37:10,730 --> 00:37:13,160
eight weeks before the
November 5th election.
655
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:16,410
SENATOR: The Bill HR3396,
the Defense of Marriage Act
656
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:21,230
has passed with 85 voting
in favor and 14 against.
657
00:37:21,770 --> 00:37:24,330
NEWS REPORTER 8: President Bill
Clinton in the dead of night,
658
00:37:24,350 --> 00:37:25,870
avoiding media coverage of the event,
659
00:37:25,890 --> 00:37:31,290
signed into law a bill denying federal
recognition of gay and lesbian marriages.
660
00:37:31,310 --> 00:37:34,040
Clinton issued a written
statement saying...
661
00:37:34,060 --> 00:37:36,890
(NEWS REPORTER 8 READING)
662
00:37:49,770 --> 00:37:52,040
JOHN ASHCROFT: We are
unveiling a restructuring plan
663
00:37:52,060 --> 00:37:55,580
for the Immigration and
Naturalization Service.
664
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,870
The terrorist attacks
of September the 11th,
665
00:37:58,890 --> 00:38:00,870
underscored that we need better control
666
00:38:00,890 --> 00:38:05,650
over individuals coming to
our shores from other nations.
667
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,730
I have to say I have some element of worry.
668
00:38:17,350 --> 00:38:21,370
Anything to do with immigration
since September the 11th
669
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,350
is all that much harder.
670
00:38:24,980 --> 00:38:28,730
Especially people like
ourselves who are on the fringe.
671
00:38:28,940 --> 00:38:33,200
RICHARD: We're still in the
same position as 30 years ago.
672
00:38:33,230 --> 00:38:38,200
It's so strange because we're more
in the closet now on one level
673
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:40,020
than when we first met.
674
00:38:41,810 --> 00:38:44,890
And, Darjeeling it, huh?
675
00:38:47,650 --> 00:38:49,290
Okay. Did you empty this teapot?
676
00:38:49,310 --> 00:38:51,870
I did. Oh, you put the leaves in...
677
00:38:51,890 --> 00:38:53,700
I, I just... I know. Oh, that's a mistake.
678
00:38:53,730 --> 00:38:55,500
I should have put hot water first but...
679
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,290
But, yeah, no, but see there is
water in there and it's gonna make...
680
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:59,870
Yeah, this gets hot water, yeah, right.
681
00:38:59,890 --> 00:39:00,870
No, but the leaves are getting damp.
682
00:39:00,890 --> 00:39:02,410
Oh, that's it. I've been doing
it like this for years...
683
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,370
You haven't said... That's why I
make it myself when I'm having more.
684
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:07,890
And you like my tea.
685
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:14,500
I think what this situation
has created is this burden
686
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:21,270
of institutions trying to separate
you or turning you into criminals.
687
00:39:27,940 --> 00:39:30,870
I remember one time going
to a therapist and saying,
688
00:39:30,890 --> 00:39:35,660
"You know, we have allowed
this issue to become a monster
689
00:39:35,690 --> 00:39:38,890
"and, uh, took over our relationship."
690
00:39:41,730 --> 00:39:44,370
I knew that they were having problems.
691
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,750
I knew that they fought
692
00:39:46,770 --> 00:39:52,790
and when my brother spoke to us, I
could hear the stress in his voice.
693
00:39:52,810 --> 00:39:56,410
But, I think my brother
has old-fashioned values.
694
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,870
His belief is when you've found somebody
695
00:39:58,890 --> 00:40:02,120
and you made that commitment to someone,
696
00:40:02,140 --> 00:40:03,870
you stick it through.
697
00:40:03,890 --> 00:40:04,870
(LAUGHING) FRIEND: There you go.
698
00:40:04,890 --> 00:40:08,690
TONY: So do I blow now?
FRIENDS: Yes, yeah...
699
00:40:09,770 --> 00:40:11,830
(CHEERING)
700
00:40:11,850 --> 00:40:16,890
This is Tony's 60th
birthday, well, in two days,
701
00:40:17,650 --> 00:40:18,700
and, uh,
702
00:40:18,730 --> 00:40:22,500
and I hope he lives that long.
(LAUGHING) I'll kill him.
703
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,040
ELLEN: Now tell us your wish.
No, I can't tell you my wish.
704
00:40:26,060 --> 00:40:27,540
(LAUGHING)
705
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,080
Can't tell you my wish.
706
00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:29,620
(LAUGHING)
707
00:40:29,650 --> 00:40:34,830
Richard's mother traveled a
tremendous, tremendous distance
708
00:40:34,850 --> 00:40:37,910
with us because frankly having a, uh,
709
00:40:37,940 --> 00:40:41,790
a white Australian homosexual
arrive and scoop up a son was
710
00:40:41,810 --> 00:40:43,000
the, "Whoo, what have I got here?"
711
00:40:43,020 --> 00:40:46,450
But as the years have gone by,
we've actually become good friends.
712
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,440
Come over here and I'll tell
you what my wish is. Okay.
713
00:40:50,140 --> 00:40:50,540
Here.
714
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,290
And, of course Richard doesn't
know this. We do also occasionally
715
00:40:53,310 --> 00:40:55,950
discuss what's for his best interest.
716
00:40:55,980 --> 00:40:58,000
(LAUGHING)
717
00:40:58,020 --> 00:40:59,870
I want to say something.
718
00:40:59,890 --> 00:41:01,370
31 years ago Richard's mother met me,
719
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,870
and of course, all his sisters
were alive then and his brother.
720
00:41:04,890 --> 00:41:05,870
They had all been born,
721
00:41:05,890 --> 00:41:07,870
and I have to say that
I not only got Richard.
722
00:41:07,890 --> 00:41:10,870
I was so lucky, I got a wonderful
family that I've grown to love.
723
00:41:10,890 --> 00:41:12,540
We've all taken a long time to get there
724
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,160
and I just want to say thank you
very much for all being there.
725
00:41:16,190 --> 00:41:17,790
(LAUGHING)
726
00:41:17,810 --> 00:41:20,580
TONY: They're our family
and we're their family.
727
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:25,250
They care about us and I know
that they worry at times about us.
728
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:26,410
(LAUGHING)
729
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,290
RICHARD: Through all the difficulties,
730
00:41:28,310 --> 00:41:31,620
when we were unemployed, when
we were looking for a home,
731
00:41:31,650 --> 00:41:35,580
my sisters always welcomed
us with open arms.
732
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:40,890
If it wasn't for them I don't
know how we could have survived.
733
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:45,870
LAVI: Unfortunately, because
of the Defense of Marriage Act
734
00:41:45,890 --> 00:41:47,910
an American citizen could do no more
735
00:41:47,940 --> 00:41:51,120
to sponsor their same-sex
partner or same-sex spouse,
736
00:41:51,140 --> 00:41:53,730
than they could in decades past.
737
00:41:54,890 --> 00:41:57,910
We need the United States
government to behave now
738
00:41:57,940 --> 00:41:59,620
as it's supposed to now,
739
00:41:59,650 --> 00:42:02,080
so those of us living
under this kind of nonsense
740
00:42:02,100 --> 00:42:05,560
can cease living that way
and get on with our lives.
741
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:14,290
Gay and lesbian couples in Massachusetts
are already busy planning June weddings.
742
00:42:14,310 --> 00:42:16,790
And this is another symptom of the kind of
743
00:42:16,810 --> 00:42:19,890
judicial activism that we have seen.
744
00:42:21,310 --> 00:42:24,500
Remember that this body, the United
States Senate and the Congress
745
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,120
with 85 votes did pass the
Defense of Marriage Act.
746
00:42:27,140 --> 00:42:30,870
Well, if the gay marriage question
were put to a nationwide vote,
747
00:42:30,890 --> 00:42:36,940
61% of Americans oppose laws to
recognize same-sex marriages.
748
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,160
The hot button issue
of same-sex marriage is
749
00:42:40,190 --> 00:42:42,040
front and center again in this country.
750
00:42:42,060 --> 00:42:44,790
California's highest court
put it there today by
751
00:42:44,810 --> 00:42:48,770
striking down the state's
ban on gay marriage.
752
00:42:55,810 --> 00:42:58,250
NEWS REPORTER 1: California
joins only Massachusetts
753
00:42:58,270 --> 00:42:59,870
in officially allowing gay marriage.
754
00:42:59,890 --> 00:43:03,750
But come November, there will
be yet another hurdle to clear
755
00:43:03,770 --> 00:43:04,790
for same-sex couples.
756
00:43:04,810 --> 00:43:08,750
In November, Californians will
vote on a constitutional amendment
757
00:43:08,770 --> 00:43:10,870
defining marriage between
a man and a woman.
758
00:43:10,890 --> 00:43:15,290
NEWS REPORTER 2: 26 other states across
the country have similar amendments
759
00:43:15,310 --> 00:43:17,890
banning official gay unions.
760
00:43:23,020 --> 00:43:25,000
The issue on the ballot,
Proposition number 8,
761
00:43:25,020 --> 00:43:30,870
the constitutional amendment that eliminates
the rights of same-sex couples to marry
762
00:43:30,890 --> 00:43:33,580
has passed with about 52.5% of the voters
763
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,700
putting a stop to gay marriages
in the state of California.
764
00:43:36,730 --> 00:43:39,700
Channel 4's Ted Chen live
in West Hollywood tonight,
765
00:43:39,730 --> 00:43:41,580
and he's got the rest of the story. Ted.
766
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,870
Paul, uh, a spokesman for Yes on 8 said
767
00:43:43,890 --> 00:43:47,830
what Californians did was
protect traditional marriage and
768
00:43:47,850 --> 00:43:48,870
reclaim a great tradition.
769
00:43:48,890 --> 00:43:51,950
But the No on 8 forces say
that the passage of Prop 8
770
00:43:51,980 --> 00:43:57,700
is just a temporary defeat in the long
march toward civil rights in America.
771
00:43:57,730 --> 00:44:01,620
This shows it's not... I mean, we've had a
bit of an easy ride of late on the issue.
772
00:44:01,650 --> 00:44:03,790
This shows us the battle
has got to keep going on.
773
00:44:03,810 --> 00:44:09,140
We've got to keep fighting and it's obvious
that I have got to join everyone else
774
00:44:09,350 --> 00:44:10,890
in fighting this.
775
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:23,870
So you've worked out what
you're wearing? Yeah.
776
00:44:23,890 --> 00:44:25,080
Okay.
777
00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:29,520
You watch, I'll probably end up
changing five times, you know how I am.
778
00:44:29,690 --> 00:44:30,950
Yeah, I think I'll wear what I'm...
779
00:44:30,980 --> 00:44:33,290
Okay, I'm gonna go around and get dressed.
780
00:44:33,310 --> 00:44:34,770
Yeah, okay.
781
00:44:35,350 --> 00:44:36,730
All right.
782
00:44:39,730 --> 00:44:42,450
Do you have any concerns
about me speaking tonight?
783
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:47,890
I'm a bit, um, anxious what,
you know, what could happen.
784
00:44:51,730 --> 00:44:53,870
I have your pills by the way.
785
00:44:53,890 --> 00:44:55,230
Good.
786
00:44:55,310 --> 00:44:59,850
My greatest concern for
Tony is that one day
787
00:44:59,940 --> 00:45:03,750
officers of the Immigration
and Customs Enforcement will
788
00:45:03,770 --> 00:45:06,450
roll up in front of his
apartment building in their car,
789
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,440
get out, ring his doorbell
and take him away.
790
00:45:12,270 --> 00:45:13,870
They'll take him to a detention facility
791
00:45:13,890 --> 00:45:16,870
and he would be put on a plane
and deported to Australia
792
00:45:16,890 --> 00:45:20,140
where he obviously has
not lived in decades.
793
00:45:22,190 --> 00:45:24,190
(CHEERING)
794
00:45:25,890 --> 00:45:30,580
We're here to achieve marriage
equality in California.
795
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,910
LAVI: By stepping up,
and making himself known,
796
00:45:33,940 --> 00:45:37,700
and raising his voice,
Tony is risking everything.
797
00:45:37,730 --> 00:45:40,540
SPEAKER: Please welcome Tony and Richard.
798
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:41,870
(CHEERING)
799
00:45:41,890 --> 00:45:42,790
Thank you.
800
00:45:42,810 --> 00:45:49,870
Beside me is Tony and I met
him on Cinco de Mayo in 1971
801
00:45:49,890 --> 00:45:52,200
in a bar called The Closet.
802
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:54,870
(AUDIENCE LAUGHING)
803
00:45:54,890 --> 00:45:56,250
We have loved each other
804
00:45:56,270 --> 00:46:01,100
and we share our lives
together for almost 38 years.
805
00:46:01,310 --> 00:46:03,450
(CHEERING)
806
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,250
Richard and I were legally
married in Boulder, Colorado,
807
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:11,750
and some attorneys say to this
day we are still legally married.
808
00:46:11,770 --> 00:46:15,350
(AUDIENCE CHEERING)
809
00:46:15,890 --> 00:46:17,000
In the last years,
810
00:46:17,020 --> 00:46:18,830
Richard had a stroke three years ago
811
00:46:18,850 --> 00:46:21,700
and last year, actually
12 months ago this month,
812
00:46:21,730 --> 00:46:23,870
I had two heart attacks and a stroke.
813
00:46:23,890 --> 00:46:27,520
We've come out of it very well
nothing to worry about there.
814
00:46:27,890 --> 00:46:28,910
But...
815
00:46:28,940 --> 00:46:30,620
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
816
00:46:30,650 --> 00:46:33,580
But what was wonderful and
what got, got us through,
817
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,870
and we've talked about
this, was our relationship.
818
00:46:36,890 --> 00:46:38,830
It was our need to live for each other.
819
00:46:38,850 --> 00:46:43,200
It wasn't a case of living for
one's self, but for each other.
820
00:46:43,230 --> 00:46:46,020
And this is something that
821
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,620
that's so important about
relationships. It's not just
822
00:46:50,650 --> 00:46:52,440
let's go off and get married.
823
00:46:52,850 --> 00:46:53,870
Thank you.
824
00:46:53,890 --> 00:46:56,520
(CHEERING)
825
00:46:57,890 --> 00:46:58,870
(CHANTING) Equal rights.
826
00:46:58,890 --> 00:47:00,790
When do we want it? Now!
827
00:47:00,810 --> 00:47:02,830
What do we want? Equal rights!
828
00:47:02,850 --> 00:47:05,190
When do we want it? Now!
829
00:47:05,650 --> 00:47:06,700
Here we go. Now!
830
00:47:06,730 --> 00:47:08,870
What do we want? Equal rights!
831
00:47:08,890 --> 00:47:11,440
When do we want it? Now!
832
00:47:12,890 --> 00:47:14,830
Hey, thank you for your talk, guys.
833
00:47:14,850 --> 00:47:16,830
Oh, thank you. Thanks a lot, yes.
834
00:47:16,850 --> 00:47:21,020
There is a lot of very grateful
people that we showed up.
835
00:47:21,890 --> 00:47:23,950
I feel more open, you know, we're
836
00:47:23,980 --> 00:47:25,870
out of the closet in some ways.
837
00:47:25,890 --> 00:47:30,040
Oh, yes, it's nice to get out
of the, uh, undocumented closet.
838
00:47:30,060 --> 00:47:31,810
(LAUGHING)
839
00:47:32,100 --> 00:47:34,270
So, we'll see what happens.
840
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:35,290
I don't know where the quote comes from,
841
00:47:35,310 --> 00:47:40,060
but the small seed and the mighty
oak is grown, or a small acorn.
842
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,660
That's what I'm feeling. I'm feeling very,
843
00:47:42,690 --> 00:47:46,750
you know, when we did what we did
it was, uh, a real shot in the dark.
844
00:47:46,770 --> 00:47:51,790
We went by conviction, but nothing,
nothing else other than conviction
845
00:47:51,810 --> 00:47:53,520
and to see this is...
846
00:47:54,350 --> 00:47:56,440
I'm quite emotional actually.
847
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,650
I had a dream once where
848
00:47:58,850 --> 00:48:01,870
I saw the whole thing ending, you know.
849
00:48:01,890 --> 00:48:03,560
This was years ago,
850
00:48:03,940 --> 00:48:05,870
so hopefully,
851
00:48:05,890 --> 00:48:07,480
uh, that'll happen.
852
00:48:08,850 --> 00:48:11,520
(CHEERING)
853
00:48:33,890 --> 00:48:36,500
Have a seat inside here. Okay, thank you.
854
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:37,890
Thank you.
855
00:48:39,100 --> 00:48:40,830
Everything is pretty much under control.
856
00:48:40,850 --> 00:48:44,700
Uh, I do have to say thank you for
sending me off to the cardiologist,
857
00:48:44,730 --> 00:48:46,200
you saved my life. That's good.
858
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:49,690
How, how about you, feeling okay overall?
859
00:48:49,770 --> 00:48:50,830
Yes, yeah.
860
00:48:50,850 --> 00:48:52,870
So, uh, how is the cigarettes going?
861
00:48:52,890 --> 00:48:56,870
Yeah, I have, I've been
pretty good actually, yeah.
862
00:48:56,890 --> 00:49:01,700
Okay, as your doctor I, I am
concerned about your smoking of course
863
00:49:01,730 --> 00:49:05,120
because I certainly don't want
you to have any more strokes.
864
00:49:05,140 --> 00:49:05,540
Yeah.
865
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:10,890
And smoking is certainly a
big risk factor for that.
866
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:22,020
Let me just have you put your hands
out like this, close your eyes.
867
00:49:27,140 --> 00:49:30,370
I, I think stress definitely
plays a part in your health.
868
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,870
I definitely think so, I
think about that now yeah.
869
00:49:33,890 --> 00:49:37,040
A big concern is what is our old, old age
870
00:49:37,060 --> 00:49:39,870
'cause we've save... Got
nothing saved up for the future
871
00:49:39,890 --> 00:49:44,540
and I'm not going to be able to collect the
Social Security that I've contributed to.
872
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,540
They don't give it to you because
of your immigration status.
873
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:48,870
Yes, you know.
874
00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:52,580
I hope that doesn't give
you so much bitterness
875
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,250
and affecting your heart and everything.
876
00:49:54,270 --> 00:49:57,080
I'm not going to add to the
damage by being bitter, no,
877
00:49:57,100 --> 00:50:02,890
and everyone pays the price for doing
something and that's the price we've paid.
878
00:50:03,690 --> 00:50:06,000
RICHARD: My dream for the two of us
879
00:50:06,020 --> 00:50:10,600
is to focus on what is
important in our lives,
880
00:50:10,850 --> 00:50:15,500
and think of smaller things
like our relationship,
881
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,400
and to be closer to each other.
882
00:50:20,890 --> 00:50:24,080
Nice and cool here, huh? Oh, that's heaven.
883
00:50:24,100 --> 00:50:25,200
Yeah.
884
00:50:25,230 --> 00:50:28,290
Eh... You should be walking with
me though, dear, not behind me.
885
00:50:28,310 --> 00:50:31,250
Yeah, that's right. I'm
not Queen Elizabeth.
886
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:32,890
Ah. (LAUGHING)
887
00:50:36,190 --> 00:50:39,950
You know, I don't know if I've ever
told you this, but you know when you
888
00:50:39,980 --> 00:50:40,870
first shaved your head? Yeah.
889
00:50:40,890 --> 00:50:45,290
I... Don't take this the wrong way,
I thought it was a great improvement.
890
00:50:45,310 --> 00:50:45,870
Oh. I really did.
891
00:50:45,900 --> 00:50:50,870
Yes, it was... Well, I've always
suspected that my head was not bad.
892
00:50:50,890 --> 00:50:51,250
(LAUGHING)
893
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:54,750
Well, I have a double crown, so I
think it wouldn't be right on me.
894
00:50:54,770 --> 00:50:56,870
Yeah. But, by the way, do
you know what they call
895
00:50:56,890 --> 00:50:58,890
a bald head in Australia?
896
00:50:59,140 --> 00:51:00,830
What? A nude nut.
897
00:51:00,850 --> 00:51:01,080
(LAUGHING)
898
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:02,910
Anyhow, I'm going back
to get some more coffee.
899
00:51:02,940 --> 00:51:05,890
Oh, well, can you get me some too?
900
00:51:08,190 --> 00:51:10,700
I'm learning to take life as it comes.
901
00:51:10,730 --> 00:51:13,980
Uh, it's sort of a strange patience.
902
00:51:14,890 --> 00:51:17,750
Hello, dear, would you like a treat?
903
00:51:17,770 --> 00:51:20,040
(DOG MOANING) Oh...
904
00:51:20,060 --> 00:51:22,870
(BARKING) Oh, good idea.
905
00:51:22,890 --> 00:51:28,120
TONY: Obviously, I am not earning
the income I was born to earn,
906
00:51:28,140 --> 00:51:30,290
but, you know, as I've got
older, it's not important.
907
00:51:30,310 --> 00:51:34,890
As long as I've got a roof over
our head and the food on the table.
908
00:51:45,940 --> 00:51:48,620
I came down and I started
doing some work on this,
909
00:51:48,650 --> 00:51:51,870
the border of Mexico and the United States.
910
00:51:51,890 --> 00:51:55,700
And when I went upstairs I asked
Richard how long had I been,
911
00:51:55,730 --> 00:51:57,810
I'd been gone for hours.
912
00:51:57,890 --> 00:52:01,370
The principle behind this painting
913
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,870
is that we are building a fence
914
00:52:03,890 --> 00:52:06,890
to keep undocumented persons out,
915
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:11,330
but a fence also serves to keep people in.
916
00:52:11,350 --> 00:52:12,160
I've become aware of this issue,
917
00:52:12,190 --> 00:52:17,650
because I have become an undocumented
foreign national in the United States.
918
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,870
I have heard that the
Immigration Department
919
00:52:20,890 --> 00:52:24,140
was notified that I was
back in the country.
920
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,870
Why they haven't chosen to come after me?
921
00:52:27,890 --> 00:52:29,810
For a variety of reasons.
922
00:52:30,650 --> 00:52:34,230
Maybe they're ashamed of
what they did in the past.
923
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,870
But, a great lesson I've
learned from all of this
924
00:52:41,890 --> 00:52:43,620
is you have to live your life,
925
00:52:43,650 --> 00:52:46,450
but I will refuse to live in fear.
926
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,730
And I've had a relationship
that's gone on now 40 years.
927
00:52:50,810 --> 00:52:53,770
And I have no regrets whatsoever.
928
00:52:53,850 --> 00:52:56,440
Give me one on the cheek, plant it.
929
00:53:00,890 --> 00:53:04,950
This is the one I want you to try, I got
it yesterday I've never bought it before.
930
00:53:04,980 --> 00:53:08,790
RICHARD: We have thought that our
case would be finished by now,
931
00:53:08,810 --> 00:53:12,870
even one of the judges
said you know, 25-30 years
932
00:53:12,890 --> 00:53:13,870
it'll probably be no issue.
933
00:53:13,890 --> 00:53:16,750
But it's still an issue in this country.
934
00:53:16,770 --> 00:53:18,410
Mmm, that tastes good.
935
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:19,080
Yeah, I thought so.
936
00:53:19,100 --> 00:53:23,810
I could be dead when it's
recognized, but it doesn't matter.
937
00:53:24,020 --> 00:53:29,850
It really doesn't matter. Because I
know that we're, we're on our way.
938
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:32,890
We're on our way to winning the battle.
939
00:53:35,730 --> 00:53:37,950
Meantime, there is this Fox News alert,
940
00:53:37,980 --> 00:53:42,000
the Obama Administration has just announced
941
00:53:42,020 --> 00:53:43,660
that it will no longer defend
942
00:53:43,690 --> 00:53:48,870
the same-sex marriage, no the
Defense of Marriage Act in court.
943
00:53:48,890 --> 00:53:51,120
They call it DOMA, Defense of Marriage Act.
944
00:53:51,140 --> 00:53:52,000
President Clinton signed this thing.
945
00:53:52,020 --> 00:53:54,040
NEWS REPORTER 1: Late word
tonight that gay marriage
946
00:53:54,060 --> 00:53:57,890
will become legal in New York State.
947
00:53:59,350 --> 00:54:00,450
It is signed!
948
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:00,870
(CHEERING)
949
00:54:00,890 --> 00:54:04,540
NEWS REPORTER 2: Washington State
becomes the seventh state in the nation
950
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,540
to legalize same-sex marriage.
951
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:10,000
Maryland will today become the
eighth state in the country
952
00:54:10,020 --> 00:54:11,120
to legalize gay marriage.
953
00:54:11,140 --> 00:54:15,330
Big story here today, is President
Obama's reversal on gay marriage.
954
00:54:15,350 --> 00:54:18,660
It is important for me
to go ahead and affirm,
955
00:54:18,690 --> 00:54:20,370
same-sex couples should
be able to get married.
956
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:24,000
NEWS REPORTER 3: For the first
time more than 50% of Americans
957
00:54:24,020 --> 00:54:25,870
say gay marriage should be legal.
958
00:54:25,890 --> 00:54:27,870
A federal appeals court today struck down
959
00:54:27,890 --> 00:54:29,750
parts of the National
Defense of Marriage Act.
960
00:54:29,770 --> 00:54:33,250
For the first time in history voters
have approved same-sex marriage
961
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:36,870
and it's being hailed as a huge
victory for gays and lesbians.
962
00:54:36,890 --> 00:54:40,370
It has gone to a ballot
33 times and failed,
963
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:44,200
and now in one night it is likely
that four of four have won.
964
00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:46,160
This is absolutely extraordinary,
965
00:54:46,190 --> 00:54:49,330
and it's a change that has happened in,
966
00:54:49,350 --> 00:54:52,560
in hardly any time whatsoever.
967
00:55:03,730 --> 00:55:05,060
(MACHINE BEEPING)
968
00:55:11,980 --> 00:55:13,890
(SPEAKING IN A HOARSE VOICE) Well...
969
00:55:14,270 --> 00:55:15,620
I came in as,
970
00:55:15,650 --> 00:55:18,790
yeah, as an emergency yesterday
971
00:55:18,810 --> 00:55:22,440
because I could not... I could not breathe.
972
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:27,310
I thought I was close to death, but, um,
973
00:55:28,190 --> 00:55:32,950
I did manage to get Tony
to call the ambulance.
974
00:55:32,980 --> 00:55:38,400
And they did come very
quickly, and, uh, they have
975
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,750
gotten some water out of my heart.
976
00:55:42,770 --> 00:55:46,730
So, um, we'll see what happens from there.
977
00:55:55,890 --> 00:56:00,250
He, um, started to, uh, get
swelling in the ankles et cetera,
978
00:56:00,270 --> 00:56:03,310
and then he couldn't
breathe et cetera, and we,
979
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,700
we got him to the
emergency at the hospital.
980
00:56:05,730 --> 00:56:08,080
And then they discovered
that there were cancer cells
981
00:56:08,100 --> 00:56:11,830
in the fluid that they, um, decanted
982
00:56:11,850 --> 00:56:18,650
and that, uh, he was diagnosed
with stage four, um, lung cancer.
983
00:56:22,350 --> 00:56:23,650
Rich...
984
00:56:23,980 --> 00:56:25,700
There isn't air in this one.
985
00:56:25,730 --> 00:56:28,870
Huh. It registered full, but it's not full.
986
00:56:28,890 --> 00:56:31,520
That's what I thought, huh.
987
00:56:31,890 --> 00:56:34,080
Um... Let's do without.
988
00:56:34,100 --> 00:56:37,400
Let's do without. Yeah. You
think you can do without?
989
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,910
It's only a meeting today
990
00:56:39,940 --> 00:56:40,910
to plan your, uh, chemo. Right.
991
00:56:40,940 --> 00:56:44,870
And what we really are concerned about
is getting started as soon as possible.
992
00:56:44,890 --> 00:56:47,790
Right, I'd like to get going. Yeah.
993
00:56:47,810 --> 00:56:48,870
Like this week.
994
00:56:48,890 --> 00:56:50,870
Like tomorrow if it
could be. Or even today.
995
00:56:50,890 --> 00:56:53,700
That's right. Right. Yeah. Even today.
996
00:56:53,730 --> 00:56:57,480
I of course, I want to be cured,
997
00:56:57,890 --> 00:56:59,310
but, uh,
998
00:57:00,890 --> 00:57:04,100
I have a lot of fears.
999
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,890
But you know what?
1000
00:57:08,310 --> 00:57:12,890
I think I'll pull through at this stage,
1001
00:57:13,060 --> 00:57:15,190
that's what I'm concerned with.
1002
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:25,660
Shall we go out this way
Rich or the other way?
1003
00:57:25,690 --> 00:57:26,660
Yeah, let's go out that way.
1004
00:57:26,690 --> 00:57:29,650
Okay, Jasper, you stay
here, be a good doggie.
1005
00:57:40,350 --> 00:57:43,450
Good evening, tonight the Supreme
Court of the United States
1006
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,910
says it is time to decide one
of the most highly-charged
1007
00:57:46,940 --> 00:57:48,830
issues in this country, gay marriage.
1008
00:57:48,850 --> 00:57:51,000
NEWS REPORTER: The court agreed
to take up the legal battle
1009
00:57:51,020 --> 00:57:52,870
over the federal Defense of Marriage Act.
1010
00:57:52,890 --> 00:57:57,790
It defines marriage as quote, "only a
legal union between one man and one woman."
1011
00:57:57,810 --> 00:58:01,870
Oral arguments in this case should
happen in the spring of 2013,
1012
00:58:01,890 --> 00:58:05,350
with a decision expected
in June of that year.
1013
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,870
I just had a spoonful
of the leftover grits,
1014
00:58:22,890 --> 00:58:24,450
now I know why they call them grits.
1015
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,600
They're gritty. (CHUCKLING)
Oh, can you put this in? I...
1016
00:58:28,850 --> 00:58:33,480
Oh, that's good. Is everything okay?
1017
00:58:33,690 --> 00:58:34,870
Perfect. Okay.
1018
00:58:34,890 --> 00:58:35,830
(KNOCKING ON DOOR)
1019
00:58:35,850 --> 00:58:37,890
Anyhow, oh, this is Lavi here okay.
1020
00:58:38,890 --> 00:58:39,870
Ah, dear.
1021
00:58:39,890 --> 00:58:42,700
LAVI: So, it's been a while
since I've seen you guys.
1022
00:58:42,730 --> 00:58:44,980
Mmm-hmm. How are you doing?
1023
00:58:45,060 --> 00:58:46,620
I'm doing very well. Yeah.
1024
00:58:46,650 --> 00:58:51,660
Very well, I just had my uh, chemotherapy,
1025
00:58:51,690 --> 00:58:52,870
and that's why I'm a little low on energy.
1026
00:58:52,890 --> 00:58:59,120
And the cancer is pressing on the, one of
the nerves that lead to his vocal cord.
1027
00:58:59,140 --> 00:59:02,120
Are you feeling a little
better today? Not quite.
1028
00:59:02,140 --> 00:59:05,750
No, you're certainly not yourself. No.
1029
00:59:05,770 --> 00:59:07,290
I know you don't have a
lot of energy, so I want to
1030
00:59:07,310 --> 00:59:12,580
make sure that we use our time to
talk about some of the legal details.
1031
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:18,850
You know, for years we've been talking
about Tony's immigration status.
1032
00:59:19,140 --> 00:59:19,870
And we've been
1033
00:59:19,890 --> 00:59:23,870
hoping we were gonna get to a
day where we could resolve this,
1034
00:59:23,890 --> 00:59:26,200
so that the two of you
could put it behind you.
1035
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:28,450
Yeah. And now the Supreme Court made
1036
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,660
an announcement that
was gonna decide whether
1037
00:59:31,690 --> 00:59:34,290
marriages would be recognized
by the federal government,
1038
00:59:34,310 --> 00:59:36,000
including for immigration purposes.
1039
00:59:36,020 --> 00:59:39,290
And the fight that you started
1040
00:59:39,310 --> 00:59:41,910
will be decided probably by June.
1041
00:59:41,940 --> 00:59:43,810
Hmm. And...
1042
00:59:43,890 --> 00:59:46,450
You gotta be around for that. Yeah.
1043
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,890
You gotta be, it's just you
know. He's got to. Yeah.
1044
00:59:50,890 --> 00:59:53,080
Certainly worked hard
enough to get there, so...
1045
00:59:53,100 --> 00:59:55,870
(LAUGHING) It seems like all my life.
1046
00:59:55,890 --> 00:59:57,750
Right. Forty years, yeah.
1047
00:59:57,770 --> 00:59:59,870
Unfortunately we also have to plan for
1048
00:59:59,890 --> 01:00:03,230
what happens if Tony is
by himself at that time.
1049
01:00:04,020 --> 01:00:05,410
What it means for me is that,
1050
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:09,080
we probably should consider you know,
getting married in another state
1051
01:00:09,100 --> 01:00:11,870
since your marriage in
Colorado was so long ago.
1052
01:00:11,890 --> 01:00:13,830
And we believe it's a valid marriage,
1053
01:00:13,850 --> 01:00:16,700
but we want to give a
little extra protection here
1054
01:00:16,730 --> 01:00:17,410
and make sure that we have
1055
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,830
a marriage where there is
absolutely no question at all.
1056
01:00:19,850 --> 01:00:26,600
So, I brought the papers to prepare for the
Washington State marriage license today.
1057
01:00:27,650 --> 01:00:28,890
Is that okay?
1058
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,870
Well, I suppose actually,
Richard, the way we can look at it
1059
01:00:32,890 --> 01:00:35,540
is as a reaffirmation of vows.
1060
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,040
I think that's the way
to deal with it. Yeah.
1061
01:00:37,060 --> 01:00:38,660
Because you know... Yeah,
that's the best way, yeah.
1062
01:00:38,690 --> 01:00:41,830
So, we, we will view it as
a reaffirmation ceremony
1063
01:00:41,850 --> 01:00:44,700
and the state can view it
as a marriage ceremony.
1064
01:00:44,730 --> 01:00:45,870
How does that feel?
1065
01:00:45,890 --> 01:00:46,620
Sounds good. Okay.
1066
01:00:46,650 --> 01:00:51,000
When we got married, Richard made one
condition to the marriage ceremony.
1067
01:00:51,020 --> 01:00:54,540
Traditionally, it's... People
say "until death do us part,"
1068
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,660
he had it changed to "as
long as there is love."
1069
01:00:57,690 --> 01:01:01,870
And we've already said that if we
had to go through another ceremony,
1070
01:01:01,890 --> 01:01:03,770
we'd keep those words there.
1071
01:01:12,060 --> 01:01:13,890
Would you excuse me for a second?
1072
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,270
(TONY SOBBING)
1073
01:01:34,810 --> 01:01:35,980
Oh, boy.
1074
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,660
The person I've become
would not be the person
1075
01:01:46,690 --> 01:01:47,250
if I hadn't met Richard.
1076
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:51,520
He turned me into the kind of
human being that I wanted to be.
1077
01:01:51,850 --> 01:01:56,520
I feel even deeper and closer to him
1078
01:01:56,650 --> 01:02:02,870
because he expressed things this time
that he didn't, never did before.
1079
01:02:02,890 --> 01:02:08,870
He's the most wonderful person
I could have had in my life.
1080
01:02:08,890 --> 01:02:10,870
Even though he's irritating
1081
01:02:10,890 --> 01:02:12,870
(LAUGHING)
1082
01:02:12,890 --> 01:02:14,000
And my goodness,
1083
01:02:14,020 --> 01:02:18,890
but I'll overlook all that, yeah, yeah.
1084
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:37,890
โช Hallelujah, hallelujah
1085
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:44,480
โช Hallelujah โช
1086
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,580
We met during the hippie period of life
1087
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,830
and we never gave up on the belief
of peace, love, and happiness.
1088
01:02:52,850 --> 01:02:58,270
It was the ruling philosophy of
our life all the way through.
1089
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,270
When we came together,
1090
01:03:00,770 --> 01:03:02,870
we saw that authority had no right
1091
01:03:02,890 --> 01:03:05,870
to interfere with love and
people loving each other.
1092
01:03:05,890 --> 01:03:09,450
And also a part of that
love is Richard's family.
1093
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,950
Where his family was our home was.
1094
01:03:11,980 --> 01:03:15,870
First of all, I want to refer
to Richard's mother, Ellen,
1095
01:03:15,890 --> 01:03:18,660
Richard loved you dearly,
you were his friend
1096
01:03:18,690 --> 01:03:21,080
and anything that
affected you affected him.
1097
01:03:21,100 --> 01:03:24,540
His sisters and brothers,
my sisters and brothers,
1098
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:28,000
we're family. We know what, uh,
we're all on about, and, uh,
1099
01:03:28,020 --> 01:03:32,600
we all know how much Richard loved
us and how much we loved Richard.
1100
01:03:32,940 --> 01:03:36,940
For 41 and a half years of
70 and three quarter years,
1101
01:03:37,100 --> 01:03:39,020
Richard has been in my life.
1102
01:03:40,020 --> 01:03:41,120
I'm a lucky one.
1103
01:03:41,140 --> 01:03:45,890
For two thirds of my life, I was
a participant in a love story.
1104
01:03:46,100 --> 01:03:47,690
How great is that.
1105
01:03:47,810 --> 01:03:51,870
Even if I paid a high price
for the life I have had,
1106
01:03:51,890 --> 01:03:55,890
I am grateful. I am truly grateful.
1107
01:03:56,650 --> 01:03:59,560
Thank you and thank you, Richard.
1108
01:04:04,890 --> 01:04:08,330
RADIO REPORTER 28: Richard Adams
died a week ago at the age of 65,
1109
01:04:08,350 --> 01:04:12,790
he and his partner, Anthony Sullivan,
Tony were gay marriage pioneers.
1110
01:04:12,810 --> 01:04:14,660
RADIO REPORTER 2: Their
life's work was to try
1111
01:04:14,690 --> 01:04:15,870
to achieve equality for
gay and lesbian people
1112
01:04:15,890 --> 01:04:19,450
in terms of marriage and immigration
equality for GLBT couples. And...
1113
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:24,440
RADIO REPORTER 3: Mr. Adams died
earlier this month at the age of 65.
1114
01:04:32,690 --> 01:04:35,270
We, the people,
1115
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:39,600
declare today that the
most evident of truths,
1116
01:04:39,890 --> 01:04:42,440
that all of us are created equal
1117
01:04:42,730 --> 01:04:45,890
is the star that guides us still.
1118
01:04:46,020 --> 01:04:47,830
Just as it guided our forebears
1119
01:04:47,850 --> 01:04:51,500
through Seneca Falls
and Selma and Stonewall.
1120
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,830
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
1121
01:04:54,850 --> 01:04:58,620
Our journey is not complete until
our gay brothers and sisters
1122
01:04:58,650 --> 01:05:01,850
are treated like anyone else under the law.
1123
01:05:02,310 --> 01:05:04,870
For if we are truly created equal,
1124
01:05:04,890 --> 01:05:07,870
then surely the love we
commit to one another
1125
01:05:07,890 --> 01:05:09,830
must be equal as well.
1126
01:05:09,850 --> 01:05:12,810
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
1127
01:05:13,060 --> 01:05:17,410
NEWS REPORTER 1: Today, as the Supreme
Court heard a second day of arguments
1128
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:18,700
on same-sex marriage,
1129
01:05:18,730 --> 01:05:21,370
several justices raised
concerns about DOMA.
1130
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,870
NEWS REPORTER 2: Today, in
court Justice Ruth Ginsburg said
1131
01:05:23,890 --> 01:05:27,870
it seemed like a second-class
system for gay couples.
1132
01:05:27,890 --> 01:05:30,270
(JUSTICE RUTH GINSBURG READING)
1133
01:05:35,140 --> 01:05:37,980
(JUSTICE KENNEDY READING)
1134
01:05:43,020 --> 01:05:44,870
So, Megan, we wait a decision by June,
1135
01:05:44,890 --> 01:05:46,870
but I would say if you're
predicting at this point,
1136
01:05:46,890 --> 01:05:49,660
it doesn't look good for those
who want to see DOMA survive
1137
01:05:49,690 --> 01:05:51,770
this particular case. Yeah.
1138
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,440
Well, Jasper, decision time,
1139
01:06:11,890 --> 01:06:14,060
not that I think you're very interested.
1140
01:06:16,350 --> 01:06:17,870
And we'll talk to her in
just a couple of minutes.
1141
01:06:17,890 --> 01:06:20,870
But, first it is a momentous
day at the Supreme Court,
1142
01:06:20,890 --> 01:06:21,870
and we want to start there.
1143
01:06:21,890 --> 01:06:22,870
The justices are about to release
1144
01:06:22,890 --> 01:06:27,540
two of their most anticipated
decisions on same-sex marriage.
1145
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:30,000
NEWS REPORTER 3: The Supreme
Court has just struck down
1146
01:06:30,020 --> 01:06:31,790
the federal Defense of Marriage Act.
1147
01:06:31,810 --> 01:06:35,950
It's a five-to-four decision
written by Justice Anthony Kennedy.
1148
01:06:35,980 --> 01:06:40,540
And the Supreme Court here is
saying that the federal government
1149
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:42,870
can't make distinctions between same-sex
1150
01:06:42,890 --> 01:06:45,160
and opposite sex couples in terms of
1151
01:06:45,190 --> 01:06:47,870
what marriages the federal
government will recognize.
1152
01:06:47,890 --> 01:06:49,870
It's a significant ruling
from the Supreme Court...
1153
01:06:49,890 --> 01:06:52,000
No question about it, we want
to get back to Peter Alexander.
1154
01:06:52,020 --> 01:06:55,910
He's at the White House he's got more
reaction. Peter, what can you tell us?
1155
01:06:55,940 --> 01:06:58,370
Yeah, Savannah, we have now
got our first formal reaction
1156
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,040
from the president of the
United States Barack Obama
1157
01:07:00,060 --> 01:07:04,700
just tweeted, "Today's DOMA
ruling is a historic step forward
1158
01:07:04,730 --> 01:07:06,500
for hash tag "Marriageequality,"
1159
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,870
and then he wrote, hash tag "Loveislove."
1160
01:07:09,890 --> 01:07:11,120
We also heard just moments...
1161
01:07:11,140 --> 01:07:12,080
(CELL PHONE RINGING)
1162
01:07:12,100 --> 01:07:14,750
top advisors during the
course of his campaign.
1163
01:07:14,770 --> 01:07:16,790
Good morning, Cathy. (ON
THE PHONE) Good morning.
1164
01:07:16,810 --> 01:07:20,870
Well, DOMA's been, uh, put out of the way.
1165
01:07:20,890 --> 01:07:23,870
Yes, but it's kind of bittersweet, right?
1166
01:07:23,890 --> 01:07:27,830
Yeah, I wish Butch was with, I
really wish Butch was with me.
1167
01:07:27,850 --> 01:07:31,000
Um, it's, it's moments like
these I hope there is a hereafter
1168
01:07:31,020 --> 01:07:33,870
and he's sitting on some
little cloud watching down,
1169
01:07:33,890 --> 01:07:36,600
uh, other than just sitting in my heart.
1170
01:07:36,850 --> 01:07:37,980
Exactly.
1171
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:39,120
You know, but, um,
1172
01:07:39,150 --> 01:07:43,450
you can be very, well, you already
are proud of your brother but, uh,
1173
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:47,060
you know, it's, uh, a bittersweet victory.
1174
01:07:47,350 --> 01:07:50,540
Richard was fighting for
the right of a lot of people
1175
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,450
that probably wanted to do what he did,
1176
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:55,730
but didn't have the courage.
1177
01:07:55,890 --> 01:07:58,350
(PEOPLE CHEERING)
1178
01:07:59,810 --> 01:08:01,980
I just wish my brother was here
1179
01:08:03,850 --> 01:08:05,190
to see all this.
1180
01:08:15,890 --> 01:08:17,950
NEWS REPORTER 1: The Supreme
Court said resoundingly today
1181
01:08:17,980 --> 01:08:21,370
federal law must change,
there must be equality
1182
01:08:21,390 --> 01:08:23,830
for same-sex couples who marry.
1183
01:08:23,850 --> 01:08:25,040
And the implications are sweeping.
1184
01:08:25,060 --> 01:08:28,290
NEWS REPORTER 37: The court said DOMA
serves no legitimate government purpose,
1185
01:08:28,310 --> 01:08:32,580
instead it demeans those who are
in a lawful same-sex marriage
1186
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:34,500
declaring their marriages less worthy.
1187
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:36,410
NEWS REPORTER 38: The
ruling means gay US citizens
1188
01:08:36,440 --> 01:08:39,450
can now sponsor their immigrant
spouses for green cards.
1189
01:08:39,480 --> 01:08:45,200
Outside the courtroom jubilation knowing
that the court had instantly created
1190
01:08:45,230 --> 01:08:46,980
a different future.
1191
01:08:47,190 --> 01:08:49,810
(CHEERING)
1192
01:08:51,140 --> 01:08:53,200
Our toast is to Richard,
1193
01:08:53,230 --> 01:08:57,620
who didn't survive long enough
to see this wonderful day,
1194
01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:58,940
this is for you.
1195
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,100
(CHEERING)
1196
01:09:07,730 --> 01:09:12,450
It's really a little hard to absorb because
I've lived with it now for four decades.
1197
01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:16,450
It's interesting the swing vote
being Justice Anthony Kennedy,
1198
01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:18,870
he being the judge who wrote the decision
1199
01:09:18,890 --> 01:09:23,580
denying me the ability to legally
stay in the United States,
1200
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:25,160
uh, back in 1985.
1201
01:09:25,190 --> 01:09:27,540
He has redeemed himself and, uh,
1202
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:30,370
we should always be grateful
when people do that because we,
1203
01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:32,890
we all must be open to change.
1204
01:09:41,440 --> 01:09:44,870
What an incredible couple
of days this has been,
1205
01:09:44,890 --> 01:09:46,950
what was once impossible,
1206
01:09:46,980 --> 01:09:50,870
uh, is now not only happening,
1207
01:09:50,890 --> 01:09:52,450
it's, it's only gonna get better from here.
1208
01:09:52,480 --> 01:09:57,080
One of our honorees, Tony Sullivan
and his partner Richard Adams,
1209
01:09:57,100 --> 01:10:01,290
were the first couple
to apply and be denied
1210
01:10:01,310 --> 01:10:04,910
by the immigration agency
based on their relationship.
1211
01:10:04,940 --> 01:10:09,410
So, tonight we are honoring
the first couple to be denied,
1212
01:10:09,440 --> 01:10:11,500
and recognizing that tonight
1213
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,450
the first couple has been approved.
1214
01:10:14,480 --> 01:10:17,350
(AUDIENCE CHEERING)
1215
01:10:20,980 --> 01:10:24,410
So, we are here tonight
to celebrate. And we have
1216
01:10:24,440 --> 01:10:26,600
someone who I think is gonna
1217
01:10:26,890 --> 01:10:29,310
take us into celebration mode.
1218
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:30,870
Peaches Christ.
1219
01:10:30,890 --> 01:10:33,890
(AUDIENCE CHEERING)
1220
01:10:36,890 --> 01:10:38,620
Tonight, we are honoring
1221
01:10:38,650 --> 01:10:41,330
Richard Adams and Tony Sullivan.
1222
01:10:41,350 --> 01:10:44,660
We stand together and
recognize both Tony and Richard
1223
01:10:44,690 --> 01:10:47,660
in their fight for justice,
equality and the rights of all.
1224
01:10:47,690 --> 01:10:53,040
It is my honor to present the American
Heritage Award to Tony Sullivan
1225
01:10:53,060 --> 01:10:55,620
and to Richard Adams, whose sister Cathy
1226
01:10:55,650 --> 01:10:58,560
is accepting the award on his behalf.
1227
01:11:02,060 --> 01:11:04,330
Thank you very much first of all.
1228
01:11:04,350 --> 01:11:06,500
Cathy came down to the immigration court
1229
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:07,870
when she was a young teenager
1230
01:11:07,890 --> 01:11:10,830
to say that if the immigration
kicked me out of the country
1231
01:11:10,850 --> 01:11:13,950
they would be destroying a
family that she was a part of.
1232
01:11:13,980 --> 01:11:17,450
And so, that's why she's
here tonight with me.
1233
01:11:17,480 --> 01:11:20,060
(APPLAUDING)
1234
01:11:21,190 --> 01:11:23,190
The day before Richard died
1235
01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:26,500
he said, "Tony, I want
you to know something."
1236
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:31,370
He said, "I love you so much more now
than I ever did when I first met you,"
1237
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:35,810
and I said to Richard, "I
feel exactly the same."
1238
01:11:36,230 --> 01:11:39,250
And then the next day I
got hit with a thought,
1239
01:11:39,270 --> 01:11:43,200
and I came running upstairs and said,
"Richard, I've got to tell you something,
1240
01:11:43,230 --> 01:11:44,650
"we won."
1241
01:11:44,890 --> 01:11:46,120
And he said, "What do you mean?"
1242
01:11:46,140 --> 01:11:47,330
I said, "We won."
1243
01:11:47,350 --> 01:11:48,870
And Richard always listened and thought,
1244
01:11:48,890 --> 01:11:52,870
you could always see the thought process
going on in the pause before he spoke.
1245
01:11:52,890 --> 01:11:56,540
I said, "We won. They never
managed to separate us."
1246
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,890
(APPLAUDING)
1247
01:12:02,770 --> 01:12:06,200
And then he looked at me and
he paused and he thought,
1248
01:12:06,230 --> 01:12:09,140
and he said, "You're right.
1249
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:12,700
"We won," and we did indeed win.
1250
01:12:12,730 --> 01:12:16,270
And there is one thing I'd
like to say to Richard now,
1251
01:12:17,060 --> 01:12:20,890
and that is, "Richard, today
1252
01:12:21,060 --> 01:12:23,910
"when the couple got their green card,
1253
01:12:23,940 --> 01:12:27,540
"we not only won, but they
will never write another letter
1254
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:30,950
"to a gay couple saying a
bona fide marital relationship
1255
01:12:30,980 --> 01:12:33,870
"cannot exist between two faggots."
1256
01:12:33,890 --> 01:12:36,850
(APPLAUDING)
1257
01:12:44,020 --> 01:12:45,310
Thank you.
102014
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