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It's my voice. 6 00:01:23,749 --> 00:01:26,519 It's so important to have an instrument 7 00:01:27,253 --> 00:01:29,889 that has an enormous variety of colours 8 00:01:31,757 --> 00:01:35,428 and finding those colours and knowing how to bring them out. 9 00:02:26,245 --> 00:02:29,882 The Mendelsohn Concerto has such life in it, I find. 10 00:02:30,349 --> 00:02:33,386 The sounds and the colours that you try to find, 11 00:02:33,519 --> 00:02:36,989 are also something very sparkly and Iively and which has energy. 12 00:02:37,123 --> 00:02:41,527 Of course one needs an instrument that has this shine, 13 00:02:42,728 --> 00:02:47,800 a core in the sound that wiII always, kind of, sing through. 14 00:02:47,933 --> 00:02:51,771 And of course, I think this instrument very much has it. 15 00:03:12,224 --> 00:03:16,362 Different instruments, maybe highlight different aspects, 16 00:03:16,495 --> 00:03:20,266 it invites to find a different colour or to Iinger a little 17 00:03:20,399 --> 00:03:22,268 bit longer on certain notes. 18 00:03:22,401 --> 00:03:25,037 And whether that is the soul of the instrument, 19 00:03:25,171 --> 00:03:27,673 the possibility in colouring, 20 00:03:27,807 --> 00:03:29,508 sometimes its also even, 21 00:03:29,642 --> 00:03:32,745 maybe the soul of the old players that were playing it. 22 00:03:32,878 --> 00:03:37,583 I feel, I'm thinking if this instrument had great players 23 00:03:37,717 --> 00:03:41,187 like Oscar Shumsky, but also Rhode and Bauer. 24 00:03:41,654 --> 00:03:44,256 If I think about Shumsky for instance, I mean, 25 00:03:44,390 --> 00:03:48,661 if you're thinking about his wonderful glissand¡ and portament¡ 26 00:03:48,794 --> 00:03:52,364 I kind of get inspired sometimes, you know, 27 00:03:53,566 --> 00:03:56,268 I feel or hear that sound. 28 00:03:57,236 --> 00:04:00,473 One definitely gets influenced in that sense. 29 00:04:22,328 --> 00:04:24,296 During this project, and during the recording, 30 00:04:24,430 --> 00:04:27,633 to spend time with aII these different instruments wiII be, 31 00:04:28,067 --> 00:04:34,140 weII this is inspiration I cannot even begin to imagine. 32 00:04:34,273 --> 00:04:37,676 Because, they're so different aII the instruments, 33 00:04:37,810 --> 00:04:41,680 so, to find each and every quality 34 00:04:41,814 --> 00:04:44,950 and the pieces that work best with that. 35 00:04:45,551 --> 00:04:48,154 I wiII take that in my life. 36 00:04:48,554 --> 00:04:51,290 You know I love this instrument; 37 00:04:51,423 --> 00:04:54,760 and being with this for aII the upcoming concerts 38 00:04:54,894 --> 00:04:58,798 after that I wiII take something very special from that. 39 00:05:22,588 --> 00:05:26,458 We want to bring twelve of the greatest Stradivari from around the world, 40 00:05:26,592 --> 00:05:28,694 put them together with one of the greatest artists, 41 00:05:28,828 --> 00:05:30,095 and record them 42 00:05:30,229 --> 00:05:33,065 so we can actually hear the wonderful differences 43 00:05:33,199 --> 00:05:36,101 between the sound of one violin and another. 44 00:05:36,235 --> 00:05:39,071 I tried to use a combination of violins, 45 00:05:39,205 --> 00:05:42,341 so we do have some which are in extraordinary condition 46 00:05:42,474 --> 00:05:45,578 and others which may not be in such pristine condition, 47 00:05:45,711 --> 00:05:46,946 but still very fine. 48 00:05:47,146 --> 00:05:48,581 But they have a wonderful history with the players 49 00:05:48,714 --> 00:05:52,151 and we know the players choose them for the sound. 50 00:05:53,519 --> 00:05:57,923 This is Ida Haendel's violin, a 1699 Stradivarius. 51 00:06:08,067 --> 00:06:10,636 Ida Haendel passed away very recently. 52 00:06:14,306 --> 00:06:16,709 The violin was with Ida in her house, 53 00:06:16,842 --> 00:06:20,012 for some years, without really being played and touched. 54 00:06:20,145 --> 00:06:23,349 It had somehow come apart at the seams. 55 00:06:23,649 --> 00:06:24,516 When it came in, the top was off, 56 00:06:24,650 --> 00:06:27,453 the ribs were separated the neck was apart. 57 00:06:27,586 --> 00:06:29,622 So we put it aII back together 58 00:06:29,755 --> 00:06:34,326 and made a restoration on the violin and it sounded beautiful again. 59 00:06:36,795 --> 00:06:39,565 This is a 1699, 60 00:06:40,866 --> 00:06:42,668 well, it was Ida Haendel's. 61 00:06:42,801 --> 00:06:47,573 I met her once, years ago and she was such an amazing violinist. 62 00:06:47,706 --> 00:06:51,377 I played Tchaikovsky at Fort Lauderdale in Florida. 63 00:06:51,510 --> 00:06:54,747 She was at the concert and Suddenly afterwards she came up to me. 64 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,150 She was tiny, on high heels, 65 00:06:58,918 --> 00:07:01,754 and she was so sweet and I was just so 66 00:07:02,321 --> 00:07:06,392 extremely in shock that she had come to listen and 67 00:07:07,393 --> 00:07:09,561 actually it's very special too... 68 00:07:09,695 --> 00:07:12,298 You know there's so much history in this instrument. 69 00:07:12,431 --> 00:07:17,636 Even just the feeling of holding and playing an instrument of somebody 70 00:07:17,970 --> 00:07:21,073 who you admire so much, its very, I mean... 71 00:07:22,474 --> 00:07:26,412 Oh wow, it's very.. piercing 72 00:07:33,752 --> 00:07:35,688 It's very briIIiant right, 73 00:07:45,130 --> 00:07:50,102 Ida Haendel is a complete legend, that everybody loved and admired, 74 00:07:50,235 --> 00:07:53,238 and I felt emotional also to play the instrument. 75 00:07:53,372 --> 00:07:55,207 You feel close to her. 76 00:08:31,710 --> 00:08:34,580 I think, in fact, and the, important thing is that each 77 00:08:34,713 --> 00:08:36,949 instrument you need to play differently in a way. 78 00:08:37,082 --> 00:08:41,320 Of course you have your way of playing but you need to mouId differently. 79 00:08:47,126 --> 00:08:50,562 I'm not moving at aII almost. - But it still... 80 00:08:56,168 --> 00:08:59,938 You don't have to make it vibrate. 81 00:09:00,072 --> 00:09:05,077 It wiII vibrate. Even with the difference in speed... 82 00:09:05,511 --> 00:09:06,678 Yeah. 83 00:09:18,157 --> 00:09:19,691 Now find the float... 84 00:09:26,665 --> 00:09:30,469 Because it invites the feel to do this kind of thing.. 85 00:09:30,602 --> 00:09:33,172 but in some places you need to find the... 86 00:09:36,508 --> 00:09:39,611 Yeah... Oh nice! 87 00:09:44,083 --> 00:09:47,519 Beautiful, I think you like it. 88 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:49,088 I want this... 89 00:09:49,888 --> 00:09:52,057 I think with these great Violins, 90 00:09:52,191 --> 00:09:54,893 often you just have to not get in the way of it 91 00:09:55,027 --> 00:09:56,595 and just let it do its thing. 92 00:09:56,728 --> 00:09:59,431 Especially with this one, we just need to get out of its way 93 00:09:59,565 --> 00:10:01,767 and let it fly in a way. 94 00:10:05,170 --> 00:10:09,041 Hey great to see you agam, thank you. - Thank you. 95 00:10:09,174 --> 00:10:10,976 - You know its - Come through. 96 00:10:11,110 --> 00:10:14,113 So fantastic you were able to make this trip 97 00:10:14,246 --> 00:10:15,948 from Tokyo, especially at this time. 98 00:10:16,081 --> 00:10:17,015 Happy to be here 99 00:10:17,149 --> 00:10:19,218 We had to have this fiddle, 100 00:10:19,351 --> 00:10:20,385 Let's go on up. 101 00:10:20,586 --> 00:10:22,855 Some of these instruments are in the hands of players, 102 00:10:22,988 --> 00:10:25,157 and they had to be free from their concerts. 103 00:10:25,290 --> 00:10:27,960 And then you have the Iogistics of sorting out the technical 104 00:10:28,093 --> 00:10:30,295 side with the insurance and keeping 105 00:10:30,429 --> 00:10:32,998 Iawyers happy and keeping foundations happy. 106 00:10:33,132 --> 00:10:36,802 It wiII not be something that can be repeated easily. 107 00:10:37,569 --> 00:10:39,304 Oh, it's like seeing an old friend again. 108 00:10:39,438 --> 00:10:41,507 It's been a long time right? 109 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,711 And you, of course I'm so excited to see this violin. 110 00:10:45,844 --> 00:10:48,747 I haven't seen it for quite a few years now. 111 00:10:49,648 --> 00:10:52,518 Wow, there it is, amazing. 112 00:10:52,651 --> 00:10:55,521 What an extraordinary violin. 113 00:10:56,321 --> 00:11:01,493 Well you know the history, but it's a great grand pattern. 114 00:11:01,627 --> 00:11:05,898 It's built on the biggest Stradivari form. It's just a great concert instrument. 115 00:11:06,031 --> 00:11:10,369 Stradivari should connect people like this, 116 00:11:10,669 --> 00:11:13,839 these circumstances are so important. 117 00:11:13,972 --> 00:11:20,479 And Janine Jansen, she is one of the most popular musicians in the world. 118 00:11:20,612 --> 00:11:23,715 Even I, in Japan, I know her very well. 119 00:11:23,849 --> 00:11:27,653 And I would be proud that the San Lorenzo 120 00:11:28,487 --> 00:11:30,622 could be one of the twelve. 121 00:11:30,822 --> 00:11:34,726 When I first met this violin in 2016, 122 00:11:35,694 --> 00:11:40,165 immediately I thought this was the one I was looking for a long long time. 123 00:11:40,599 --> 00:11:43,502 It sounds great, and it's so powerful. 124 00:11:44,002 --> 00:11:46,672 Yep, yep, so I was very impressed. 125 00:11:46,805 --> 00:11:49,208 It's in the best hands now. 126 00:11:49,975 --> 00:11:53,445 The foundation Iends it to musicians. 127 00:11:54,112 --> 00:11:58,250 You know, it's important to pick the right musician and right violin together. 128 00:11:58,383 --> 00:12:00,886 So, that is my importantjob. 129 00:12:01,987 --> 00:12:04,690 So you do the exactly same things as me. 130 00:12:04,823 --> 00:12:07,459 That's why we do it together. 131 00:12:07,593 --> 00:12:11,330 I've seen 70 or 80 Stradivari in my life. 132 00:12:11,463 --> 00:12:16,001 And compared to that the San Lorenzo is a top, top instrument. 133 00:12:17,436 --> 00:12:22,374 Because it's a Golden Period 1718, 134 00:12:23,008 --> 00:12:26,578 and its a grande pattern, which means it is "grande", it's big. 135 00:12:26,712 --> 00:12:29,181 And it's so unique isn't it, 136 00:12:29,314 --> 00:12:32,517 with the inscription actually on both Sides. 137 00:12:32,718 --> 00:12:36,622 It's less visible on this side, but we basically know the Latin 138 00:12:36,755 --> 00:12:39,291 word means glory, wealth and justice. 139 00:12:39,424 --> 00:12:41,627 We believe it was bought as a wedding present 140 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:46,098 from Stradivari and given to a violinist of the day called Moro Dela. 141 00:12:46,231 --> 00:12:49,668 He worked in the court of the Queen of Spain and for King Philip V. 142 00:12:49,801 --> 00:12:56,174 I think this violin is among the top 20 greatest violins in the world, 143 00:12:56,308 --> 00:13:01,480 because so many have been worn and used more than ideal. 144 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:03,649 Because everybody loves a golden period instrument. 145 00:13:03,849 --> 00:13:07,686 Of course there were some great ones from the early period and the Iate period too. 146 00:13:07,919 --> 00:13:13,659 Antonio Stradivari as a young man would have been possibly a woodcarver 147 00:13:13,792 --> 00:13:18,430 or involved with instruments in some form, not necessarily Violins. 148 00:13:18,563 --> 00:13:22,067 He was probably wandering through Cremona and at some point wandered into 149 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,236 a violin shop and was fascinated 150 00:13:24,369 --> 00:13:27,105 and decided it is something he really wanted to follow. 151 00:13:27,472 --> 00:13:30,042 Looking at his early instruments, 152 00:13:30,642 --> 00:13:34,079 we can do that in detail now because we're writing a huge work on Stradivarius 153 00:13:34,246 --> 00:13:37,049 for this six volume book, and I have been studying 154 00:13:37,182 --> 00:13:38,717 the early Stradivarius very much 155 00:13:38,850 --> 00:13:42,587 so and trying to work out, if and at what point, 156 00:13:42,721 --> 00:13:45,257 he began to study with Nicolo Amati. 157 00:13:45,390 --> 00:13:48,293 There are a few early ones, where you do think wow that does 158 00:13:48,427 --> 00:13:49,928 look like an Amati pattern. 159 00:13:50,395 --> 00:13:52,831 But having embarked upon a career of violin making, 160 00:13:52,964 --> 00:13:55,701 he progresses, you know through the sixties, 161 00:13:55,834 --> 00:13:57,269 which is very rare, 162 00:13:57,402 --> 00:13:58,337 through the seventies, 163 00:13:58,470 --> 00:14:00,772 and when you get to the eighties he has clearly 164 00:14:00,906 --> 00:14:04,009 branched out on his own, away from any other influences. 165 00:14:04,142 --> 00:14:07,279 And he is making his own designs and he is changing the format, 166 00:14:07,412 --> 00:14:12,217 changing the outline and the shape, he is experimenting with wood. 167 00:14:12,351 --> 00:14:15,821 And I think the great thing about Stradivari is that he was very dextrous 168 00:14:15,954 --> 00:14:19,958 and skiIIed as a craftsman, but also that he was constantly 169 00:14:20,092 --> 00:14:23,295 experimenting trying to create the perfect sound and get the perfect shape. 170 00:14:23,428 --> 00:14:27,132 And then you go towards the 17003, where he starts to make what 171 00:14:27,265 --> 00:14:31,203 is known as the perfect form, through the golden period. 172 00:14:39,277 --> 00:14:42,581 I mean this bow, I loved always playing Sibelius on it. 173 00:14:42,714 --> 00:14:46,118 But I don't know, does it kiII the overtones? 174 00:14:46,985 --> 00:14:51,056 I don't know, it's very warm and it doesn't crack. 175 00:14:51,189 --> 00:14:53,825 It still makes the sound very warm and round. 176 00:15:11,443 --> 00:15:13,612 I didn't know what to expect before I tried it, 177 00:15:13,745 --> 00:15:15,414 so it hasn't been played a Iot. 178 00:15:15,547 --> 00:15:19,785 Maybe it's not so easy to respond and I didn't feel that at aII. 179 00:15:20,051 --> 00:15:22,254 One can dig in, but one can also let it, 180 00:15:22,387 --> 00:15:27,392 you know, loose and it has a beautiful dulce character as well. 181 00:15:27,526 --> 00:15:31,530 Really, it's a great instrument. 182 00:15:42,507 --> 00:15:47,412 John, we're lucky enough to have the Tyrell from 1717 here in our hands. 183 00:15:48,447 --> 00:15:53,952 I mean do you say this is one of the top handful of best preserved strads? 184 00:15:55,287 --> 00:15:57,222 Yes, yes. Beautiful thing. 185 00:15:58,557 --> 00:16:02,961 So much varnish left on there which is aII too rare these days. 186 00:16:03,228 --> 00:16:07,098 The Tyrell, l think it's an extraordinary instrument, 187 00:16:07,232 --> 00:16:11,069 of special interest, even within the golden period, 188 00:16:13,405 --> 00:16:15,474 Strad's productive and 189 00:16:16,942 --> 00:16:20,111 most refined period of work. 190 00:16:21,413 --> 00:16:25,350 Partly because it is so well preserved, you can see in it, 191 00:16:25,550 --> 00:16:28,854 what he was trying to do, what his goals were. 192 00:16:28,987 --> 00:16:31,122 It's not been over polished or 193 00:16:32,190 --> 00:16:35,327 spoilt though over-restoration. 194 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,497 That's the light Sheen that it should have. 195 00:16:38,630 --> 00:16:42,734 The amount of wear on this fiddle looks like 20 or 30 years. 196 00:16:42,868 --> 00:16:45,637 Beyond that 197 00:16:45,770 --> 00:16:47,906 it's pretty much almost at the beginning of its life 198 00:16:48,039 --> 00:16:50,108 and it remained in that state since. 199 00:16:50,442 --> 00:16:55,313 You've also got this perfection in the concept of it, 200 00:16:55,447 --> 00:16:58,750 and this slightly unusual model 201 00:16:58,884 --> 00:17:01,386 compared to some of the other instruments of the time 202 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:05,023 and yet absolute Symmetry and 203 00:17:05,724 --> 00:17:07,259 perfection of execution. 204 00:17:07,392 --> 00:17:10,462 And this distinctive stripe down, 205 00:17:11,596 --> 00:17:15,233 I think its the difference between the sapwood 206 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,570 and the bark and the hard wood from the centre 207 00:17:18,703 --> 00:17:21,773 of the tree, and it leaves this differentiated stripe, 208 00:17:21,907 --> 00:17:26,211 that you see really quite frequently on this instrument. 209 00:17:26,344 --> 00:17:29,981 There are aII these Iegends that to make a good instrument 210 00:17:30,115 --> 00:17:32,517 you have to use really aged wood and that's the secret of the tone. 211 00:17:32,651 --> 00:17:35,554 And you don't stand a chance of making a good instrument unless 212 00:17:35,687 --> 00:17:37,155 your wood is a hundred years old. 213 00:17:37,289 --> 00:17:41,126 But he was using wood that just a year or so ago had 214 00:17:41,293 --> 00:17:44,229 been growing in the alpine forests. 215 00:17:44,362 --> 00:17:47,599 It's remarkable that Stradivari 216 00:17:47,732 --> 00:17:53,038 are so suited to big concert haIIs and big public performance. 217 00:17:53,171 --> 00:17:56,608 The situation didn't actually exist then. 218 00:17:56,741 --> 00:17:59,010 So you get aII these mystical people saying, 219 00:17:59,144 --> 00:18:04,649 "Oh wow he was this great prophet", somehow he was inspired to do this." 220 00:18:05,050 --> 00:18:07,218 But it was simply that the development he made, 221 00:18:07,352 --> 00:18:12,357 he saw and he could do and he carried it out. 222 00:18:12,557 --> 00:18:16,394 And we're aII sort of wallowing in the wake, since then. 223 00:18:17,262 --> 00:18:20,131 Got this magnificent front on this half, 224 00:18:21,433 --> 00:18:23,935 again you were talking earlier about 225 00:18:24,069 --> 00:18:29,207 how in the early years of playing with the chin on this side, 226 00:18:29,708 --> 00:18:33,545 it gives you that mirror effect doesn't it, of the wear. 227 00:18:33,678 --> 00:18:36,648 Through his Iife he never gave up 228 00:18:37,282 --> 00:18:39,417 searching for perfection. 229 00:18:39,551 --> 00:18:42,554 So if he had Iived for another hundred years he wouldn't have been making 230 00:18:42,687 --> 00:18:46,424 his Golden Period Strads, he would not have been making his Iate Strads. 231 00:18:46,558 --> 00:18:49,594 He would have developed and experimented with other things, because he was 232 00:18:49,728 --> 00:18:53,465 always searching out for whatever he could find. 233 00:18:53,598 --> 00:18:57,736 I mean this is a wonderful thing, doing this research, 234 00:18:57,869 --> 00:19:00,872 and you see the development year, by year by year 235 00:19:01,006 --> 00:19:01,973 and he never stopped. 236 00:19:02,107 --> 00:19:03,908 He was always thinking about it, 237 00:19:04,042 --> 00:19:08,113 and what he could do to improve, and I think 238 00:19:08,246 --> 00:19:10,915 that is a really striking thing. 239 00:19:11,049 --> 00:19:12,584 He was an artist in those terms. 240 00:19:12,717 --> 00:19:15,053 He wasn't just churning them out at any point, 241 00:19:15,186 --> 00:19:18,156 he was refreshing his ideas from year to year to year. 242 00:19:18,423 --> 00:19:20,859 This one is from his Iate period and it's big you know. 243 00:19:20,992 --> 00:19:23,695 It's muscular and strong. 244 00:19:23,828 --> 00:19:27,232 It's absolutely incredible to understand that this 245 00:19:27,365 --> 00:19:29,000 was made by an eighteen year old. 246 00:19:31,169 --> 00:19:34,406 Honestly, I don't really know 247 00:19:34,606 --> 00:19:38,910 what to expect and maybe I don't know what I got myself into. 248 00:19:39,044 --> 00:19:40,812 But I like a challenge, 249 00:19:40,945 --> 00:19:44,649 and I mean it's an amazing opportunity 250 00:19:44,783 --> 00:19:48,853 to be able to play, to get to know these instruments, 251 00:19:48,987 --> 00:19:50,488 even in limited time. 252 00:19:50,622 --> 00:19:56,594 But it's a challenge, in this limited time, to find the voice. 253 00:19:56,795 --> 00:20:00,398 So it's not going to be now I pick up this instrument and now it's going to.. 254 00:20:00,532 --> 00:20:02,400 I need to really dive into it 255 00:20:02,534 --> 00:20:08,540 and that I have to do in a few hours, or not even that. 256 00:20:08,673 --> 00:20:10,542 Not even in a few hours, one instrument to another. 257 00:20:10,675 --> 00:20:13,812 So that's a challenge, but I'm up for it. 258 00:20:15,447 --> 00:20:17,182 Steven Oh my goodness, Janine. 259 00:20:17,749 --> 00:20:21,886 - Nice to see you. - Good to see you, how are you? 260 00:20:22,287 --> 00:20:24,189 Good, I'm excited! 261 00:20:25,223 --> 00:20:28,960 I cannot believe we made it, and the Violins made it. 262 00:20:29,094 --> 00:20:30,562 It's just wonderful 263 00:20:33,198 --> 00:20:35,633 I have to start with one violin, 264 00:20:35,767 --> 00:20:39,270 which for me is possibly the most beautiful 265 00:20:39,404 --> 00:20:41,906 and extraordinary violin, perhaps in the whole world. 266 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,543 If I had to choose one violin, to have it and own, 267 00:20:45,677 --> 00:20:47,345 this one would probably the one. 268 00:20:47,479 --> 00:20:49,981 It begins with A its the... 269 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,188 It's just incredible, because if you look at it, 270 00:20:57,322 --> 00:20:59,691 it looks like a brand new violin. 271 00:20:59,824 --> 00:21:02,894 Absolutely quite remarkable. 272 00:21:03,161 --> 00:21:08,266 And the history is beautiful, because it belonged to Jean Baptiste VuiIIaume, 273 00:21:08,733 --> 00:21:13,171 he was one of the most prolific makers and dealers in France. 274 00:21:13,304 --> 00:21:14,906 In fact, you could almost say, 275 00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:19,210 in the 19th Century he defined the violin business in Europe, 276 00:21:19,344 --> 00:21:22,280 like Stradivari did in the Iate 17th century. 277 00:21:22,413 --> 00:21:26,484 But this violin was bought over by a gentleman called Luigi Tarisio, 278 00:21:26,785 --> 00:21:29,154 who was a dealer, he used to come over from Italy 279 00:21:29,287 --> 00:21:32,357 to France regularly, bringing him great Violins 280 00:21:32,490 --> 00:21:34,359 and this one was amongst them. 281 00:21:34,826 --> 00:21:37,896 Vuillaume bought it and gifted it to his son-in-Iaw 282 00:21:38,029 --> 00:21:39,831 who was Jean Delphine Alard, 283 00:21:39,964 --> 00:21:42,267 which is where it takes its name from, 284 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,669 and I think the reason its so incredibly pristine is 285 00:21:44,803 --> 00:21:46,504 that it's always been in the hands of Collectors. 286 00:21:46,638 --> 00:21:48,907 So it's not played at the moment, or is it? 287 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,610 It's not even been touched for ten years, hasn't been played for ten years. 288 00:21:52,744 --> 00:21:57,549 I would think in the last forty or fifty years only for private Chamber music. 289 00:21:57,682 --> 00:21:59,651 I don't think it's been played professionally, 290 00:21:59,784 --> 00:22:03,121 as far as I'm aware, for a long long long time... 291 00:22:03,788 --> 00:22:04,956 So the AIIard! 292 00:22:05,089 --> 00:22:08,793 Thank you, so this I have never held in my hands. 293 00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:14,866 Can I play it? I mean, I mean, I need to! 294 00:22:17,101 --> 00:22:18,503 I don't want to stretch it any longer 295 00:22:18,636 --> 00:22:21,573 because I have been waiting such a long time! 296 00:22:21,706 --> 00:22:22,907 No, really. 297 00:23:00,812 --> 00:23:04,015 We may need to make slight adjustments, because I spoke with the owners and 298 00:23:04,148 --> 00:23:06,117 they said because it hasn't been played for so long 299 00:23:06,251 --> 00:23:08,052 we may want to make slight adjustments. 300 00:23:08,186 --> 00:23:11,022 Which they've given us permission to do. 301 00:23:15,026 --> 00:23:17,629 I can't think what to play on this one. 302 00:23:26,604 --> 00:23:27,872 Amazing power 303 00:23:30,708 --> 00:23:32,277 Looking at this whilst you're playing, 304 00:23:32,410 --> 00:23:34,579 it is like you're playing a modern instrument. 305 00:23:34,712 --> 00:23:36,281 It's ridiculous. - Incredible. 306 00:23:36,414 --> 00:23:37,181 Imean 307 00:23:38,182 --> 00:23:39,017 Look at the back! 308 00:23:39,150 --> 00:23:40,251 I mean, it's really sick! 309 00:23:56,968 --> 00:23:59,837 FiIIs up the whole room! It's like buzzing. 310 00:24:02,707 --> 00:24:07,478 The Alard, 1715, I mean this is an extraordinary instrument. 311 00:24:07,712 --> 00:24:10,548 And I was really looking forward to meeting this instrument. 312 00:24:10,682 --> 00:24:13,318 It's great for the start, but you also feel like every 313 00:24:13,451 --> 00:24:16,454 note you play you start feeling the potential. 314 00:24:16,921 --> 00:24:19,757 It's not an instrument that I immediately felt like, 315 00:24:19,891 --> 00:24:23,628 maybe I felt with my own, the Shumsky 316 00:24:25,063 --> 00:24:29,133 where just everything works, it melts, it just blends... 317 00:24:29,334 --> 00:24:32,070 Anything you do it's so... it reacts. 318 00:24:33,304 --> 00:24:36,908 So that's very interesting. But it is one of the top. 319 00:25:17,148 --> 00:25:20,585 They're both great. Very different. 320 00:25:22,587 --> 00:25:25,223 Easier to play Easier to play, more straight forward but 321 00:25:25,356 --> 00:25:27,358 that one feels like it has this.... 322 00:25:28,126 --> 00:25:30,395 Under powerhouse. 323 00:25:34,432 --> 00:25:37,035 I mean that's how it sounds to my ear here. 324 00:25:37,168 --> 00:25:38,302 I don't know how it is in the hall 325 00:25:38,436 --> 00:25:41,839 but it feels like it has a Iot of body... 326 00:25:41,973 --> 00:25:42,907 Yeah underbelly. 327 00:25:43,041 --> 00:25:47,545 Another instrument that played very easily was the Vieuxtemps. .. 328 00:25:50,515 --> 00:25:52,650 And then you know comparing again, 329 00:25:52,784 --> 00:25:57,622 it really is fascinating. 330 00:25:58,389 --> 00:26:01,225 One builds up to this moment of having 331 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,463 twelve of the most exceptional instruments 332 00:26:06,030 --> 00:26:10,034 in one room and getting to know them and try them aII. 333 00:26:10,168 --> 00:26:13,704 And Suddenly it starts happening and I have to get my head around to it 334 00:26:13,838 --> 00:26:16,274 and remember aII the amazing instruments 335 00:26:16,407 --> 00:26:18,409 that passed through my hands. 336 00:26:18,543 --> 00:26:22,847 This is a really fabulous example of one from 1680-83 period 337 00:26:23,448 --> 00:26:27,685 and what's amazing about this is that it's so robust. 338 00:26:28,786 --> 00:26:30,621 It's really a fuII patterned Strad, 339 00:26:30,755 --> 00:26:32,223 but made much much earlier. 340 00:26:32,356 --> 00:26:34,225 I mean the wood is plain but it's very beautiful 341 00:26:34,358 --> 00:26:38,362 and his work is absolutely, spectacularly refined already. 342 00:26:38,863 --> 00:26:40,731 But it has a different sound quality I'd say, 343 00:26:40,865 --> 00:26:43,000 to the others, but still very beautiful. 344 00:26:43,134 --> 00:26:47,038 Perhaps not as much richness and depth, but still really great. 345 00:26:47,905 --> 00:26:52,110 I think it belonged to a Sergeant in the Rifle Brigade in 1902. 346 00:27:26,043 --> 00:27:28,513 So Captain Savile from 1680. 347 00:27:28,646 --> 00:27:33,885 It's a very early Strad and somehow one always 348 00:27:34,886 --> 00:27:42,059 gets a IittIe, "oh it's an early Strad it could never compete to Golden period", 349 00:27:42,193 --> 00:27:43,928 it's a little bit talked about 350 00:27:44,061 --> 00:27:47,865 Iike this, even though we're talking about Stradivarius. 351 00:27:47,999 --> 00:27:54,238 It looks different, even the quality of the wood is different, 352 00:27:54,672 --> 00:27:57,108 but it's a great sounding instrument. 353 00:27:57,275 --> 00:28:00,645 It's very nice to have this in the mix as well. 354 00:28:33,477 --> 00:28:37,014 The Captain Savile is an instrument from 1680, 355 00:28:37,148 --> 00:28:40,051 I've had a close relationship with this instrument 356 00:28:40,184 --> 00:28:42,820 over the past few years and had the opportunity 357 00:28:42,954 --> 00:28:46,958 to explore some of the voices it would have had historically, 358 00:28:47,091 --> 00:28:48,693 by changing the set up of it. 359 00:28:48,826 --> 00:28:50,595 Setting it up with gut strings, 360 00:28:50,728 --> 00:28:53,531 making a different tailpiece and bridge for it 361 00:28:53,664 --> 00:28:56,567 and I felt it was an instrument that suited 362 00:28:56,701 --> 00:28:59,870 itself very well to that kind of exploration. 363 00:29:00,004 --> 00:29:03,174 Because it was one of his earlier works. 364 00:29:03,708 --> 00:29:08,546 I mean from a maker's perspective, what's really thriIIing is the very unique 365 00:29:08,679 --> 00:29:09,614 twists of materials, 366 00:29:09,747 --> 00:29:14,185 it's not some of the more dramatic highly flamed wood, 367 00:29:14,318 --> 00:29:17,588 but acoustically very exciting perhaps more flexible, 368 00:29:17,922 --> 00:29:22,360 perhaps with a certain IeveI of resistance and spring in it. 369 00:29:22,493 --> 00:29:24,895 This is what I amount by looking at it. 370 00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:28,199 And then you look at the ribs and it's a place where he thought ok, 371 00:29:28,332 --> 00:29:31,502 let's actually make this a little more alive and a little exciting. 372 00:29:31,636 --> 00:29:34,739 And the ribs have this incredibly dramatic figure, 373 00:29:34,872 --> 00:29:38,976 which in some way contrast and enhances 374 00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:42,546 some of the simplicity elements in the back itself. 375 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,181 This is a young Stradivari 376 00:29:44,315 --> 00:29:47,351 and you imagine him emerging from the shadow 377 00:29:47,485 --> 00:29:51,622 of his teacher and sort of setting out and defining himself in many ways. 378 00:29:51,756 --> 00:29:53,557 But the wood he chose is very simple 379 00:29:53,691 --> 00:29:56,827 and my question is: was that a necessity at the time? 380 00:29:56,961 --> 00:29:58,296 Was that what was available? 381 00:29:58,429 --> 00:30:01,632 Was it also an acoustic exploration? 382 00:30:01,966 --> 00:30:04,869 I personally imagine it's a combination of aII of those things. 383 00:30:05,002 --> 00:30:07,872 So the top is also very exciting to me 384 00:30:08,005 --> 00:30:09,507 because it's a one piece top, 385 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,944 and you see this incredibly wide grain on the base side, 386 00:30:14,078 --> 00:30:15,813 which you imagine to be more fIexibIe 387 00:30:15,946 --> 00:30:19,517 and a much tighter grain on the treble side. 388 00:30:19,650 --> 00:30:21,552 Which you imagine to be stiffer, 389 00:30:21,686 --> 00:30:23,287 potentially a little more brighter. 390 00:30:23,421 --> 00:30:27,191 So there's a Iot of variation in the fIexibiIity of the top, 391 00:30:27,325 --> 00:30:28,659 just because of the material. 392 00:30:28,793 --> 00:30:31,829 Purely from workmanship, 393 00:30:31,962 --> 00:30:35,132 I find it a great moment in his career. 394 00:30:35,266 --> 00:30:37,568 And there's an element where you do have this 395 00:30:37,702 --> 00:30:40,705 subtlety and refinement that Iends itself 396 00:30:40,838 --> 00:30:43,374 to a kind of acoustic refinement 397 00:30:43,507 --> 00:30:46,143 that we got to hear when Janine was playing the instrument 398 00:30:46,277 --> 00:30:49,213 and was particularly drawn to it. 399 00:30:50,114 --> 00:30:54,318 For me it relates to, what is the secret of Stradivarius? 400 00:30:54,452 --> 00:30:58,556 What is the secret of Vermeer? What is the secret of Beethoven? 401 00:30:58,689 --> 00:31:02,860 The secret of Beethoven was Beethoven, the secret of Vermeer was Vermeer. 402 00:31:02,993 --> 00:31:06,697 And I think there's something very similar in Stradivarius. 403 00:31:06,831 --> 00:31:09,233 The secret is actually the artist themselves, 404 00:31:09,367 --> 00:31:13,304 what does he bring that's ineffable, that's inimitable, 405 00:31:13,437 --> 00:31:18,109 that's unique not only to him but to the culture in which he was creating it. 406 00:31:18,242 --> 00:31:22,146 It was a culture of genius, there's no question about it. 407 00:31:24,882 --> 00:31:29,153 Having access to something in a great state of preservation, 408 00:31:29,286 --> 00:31:33,190 you get a Iot closer to the original sense of the instrument. 409 00:31:33,324 --> 00:31:37,495 Seeing the Alard for the first time when it was handed over to me, 410 00:31:37,628 --> 00:31:43,200 I nearly passed out from excitement, I mean it was so thriIIing, 411 00:31:43,334 --> 00:31:46,103 the energy within the instrument I felt, 412 00:31:46,237 --> 00:31:50,541 because of the incredible state of preservation 413 00:31:50,674 --> 00:31:55,012 and there are very subtle elements that you see on the instrument 414 00:31:55,146 --> 00:31:57,014 that are traces of the process. 415 00:31:57,148 --> 00:32:01,585 That are left behind artefacts of Stradivari's gestures, 416 00:32:01,719 --> 00:32:04,889 you know the way that you see the beading around the f-holes 417 00:32:05,022 --> 00:32:06,957 which is worn on many instruments. 418 00:32:07,091 --> 00:32:09,627 You know and over many years of playing has become soft 419 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,531 and you know there's a kind of crispness and electricity 420 00:32:13,664 --> 00:32:18,035 in the particularly well-preserved instrument that's totally thrilling. 421 00:32:18,169 --> 00:32:21,505 What's exciting about the Alard is it also corresponds to a sound 422 00:32:21,639 --> 00:32:22,673 that is like that one, 423 00:32:22,807 --> 00:32:25,476 and it's Iike nothing I've ever heard or experienced. 424 00:32:25,643 --> 00:32:26,610 Phenomenal. 425 00:32:32,249 --> 00:32:33,918 It could be a little bit, 426 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,422 build up or is it too much? 427 00:33:00,544 --> 00:33:02,980 I've now spent a little bit more time with Alard, 428 00:33:03,113 --> 00:33:06,650 I mean the first few notes that I played on it 429 00:33:06,784 --> 00:33:10,888 when Steven first showed me the instrument I was Iike beauty! 430 00:33:11,021 --> 00:33:14,325 This is crazy and then one plays and it was like... 431 00:33:14,792 --> 00:33:19,964 yeah it's great but I don't really know how to find... 432 00:33:20,464 --> 00:33:23,000 I touch the string and it just kind of pops out because 433 00:33:23,133 --> 00:33:25,302 it's such a strong instrument. 434 00:33:25,970 --> 00:33:30,274 You know being with it, and the instrument is not played much. 435 00:33:30,407 --> 00:33:33,911 So it needs a bit of time to start feeling, you know. 436 00:33:37,348 --> 00:33:38,849 That happened I feel, 437 00:33:38,983 --> 00:33:42,720 and it's coming, it's coming you know the more I play it. 438 00:33:51,762 --> 00:33:52,696 That was too much. 439 00:33:52,830 --> 00:33:57,868 My question with the instrument is either Brahms or Schuman Phantasiestücke. 440 00:33:58,002 --> 00:33:58,969 So we could 441 00:33:59,103 --> 00:34:01,705 Let's try the Schumann now. 442 00:34:01,972 --> 00:34:05,809 Or you want to try the Brahms on the other instrument and you teII me what is... 443 00:34:05,943 --> 00:34:06,911 Oh yeah... yeah. 444 00:34:07,044 --> 00:34:11,949 - Maybe, not the whole thing but Iike - Yes, let's go! Whatever you want to do 445 00:34:12,583 --> 00:34:15,519 What Janine needs to do to make this project work, 446 00:34:15,653 --> 00:34:20,291 is to find the right instrument for a given piece. 447 00:34:20,424 --> 00:34:25,596 So we try, she has an idea, and then we try. 448 00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:30,568 Of course I have an opinion and she'II look at me, 449 00:34:30,834 --> 00:34:33,370 and if l know immediately, I'll say, that's it. 450 00:34:35,205 --> 00:34:39,343 The onus is on Janine to be Iike a Chameleon with aII these instruments. 451 00:34:39,476 --> 00:34:40,811 She has to be. 452 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:14,278 Such a wilder sound, it has a wilder sound. 453 00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:29,493 I think Brahms wiII be better, right? 454 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,062 Of course there's a very good argument for certain instruments 455 00:35:32,196 --> 00:35:33,864 to be kept in their pristine condition, 456 00:35:33,998 --> 00:35:35,866 so future generations get to see them 457 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,436 and know what they looked Iike in the day, nearer to the day they were made, 458 00:35:39,570 --> 00:35:41,639 but it's also important that from time to time they're played 459 00:35:41,772 --> 00:35:43,807 and I think that's what's happening with the Alard 460 00:35:43,941 --> 00:35:48,879 and I'm not sure that there's any public recording of it at aII. 461 00:35:49,146 --> 00:35:52,082 In aII senses, it is one of the greatest Violins on earth. 462 00:36:26,283 --> 00:36:30,788 Ok I'll try to put hairspray in my hair so l can actually... 463 00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:38,462 This instrument is a monster, 464 00:36:38,595 --> 00:36:39,930 and it's very unusual for me 465 00:36:40,064 --> 00:36:44,134 to hear Janine play like this with that instrument, 466 00:36:44,268 --> 00:36:46,904 because I know her to be a different player, 467 00:36:47,037 --> 00:36:49,973 but what a fantastic experience for her 468 00:36:50,140 --> 00:36:53,811 to be able to be out of her comfort zone sometimes 469 00:36:54,511 --> 00:36:56,513 and to reinvent herself. 470 00:36:58,882 --> 00:37:00,918 What is we don't actually... 471 00:37:29,446 --> 00:37:31,548 Can I try one time? So you mean... 472 00:37:51,969 --> 00:37:53,704 It's heroic, you wanna.... 473 00:38:02,713 --> 00:38:08,018 I have to be fully concentrated, to take into account her musicality, 474 00:38:08,152 --> 00:38:11,088 her sense of fIexibiIity and colour. 475 00:38:11,488 --> 00:38:15,926 But also prompting her to help her, 476 00:38:16,994 --> 00:38:21,198 say no, "Be proud of this instrument... Or stay with it". 477 00:38:22,332 --> 00:38:26,303 Sometimes the instrument just needs to reign if you Iike. 478 00:38:34,711 --> 00:38:37,314 Ahhh it aII the time keeps going the wrong way! 479 00:38:37,447 --> 00:38:39,316 Can we do that again? 480 00:39:04,942 --> 00:39:08,478 Obviously Milstein, being such a phenomenal talent 481 00:39:08,612 --> 00:39:10,981 and he had this extraordinary way... 482 00:39:11,114 --> 00:39:14,551 I know that before he went on stage he would try different fingerings 483 00:39:14,685 --> 00:39:17,855 and different bowings and the violin is very fluid 484 00:39:17,988 --> 00:39:20,991 and it takes that very easily, he could make changes IiteraIIy 485 00:39:21,124 --> 00:39:23,727 within seconds of him being on stage. 486 00:39:43,981 --> 00:39:46,250 The Milstein's a violin you could sell on a phone call, 487 00:39:46,383 --> 00:39:48,952 when someone does obtain it, they're searching for that quality 488 00:39:49,086 --> 00:39:52,890 and that sound and they're trying to be Milstein with some individuality 489 00:39:53,023 --> 00:39:55,192 because they need to have their own individuality. 490 00:39:55,325 --> 00:40:00,130 But it's a hugely important part of the whole picture I would say. 491 00:40:03,967 --> 00:40:07,070 Now do it the other way, now do it the normal way. 492 00:40:07,771 --> 00:40:08,972 What's the normal way? 493 00:40:09,106 --> 00:40:10,707 Well, without changing the string. 494 00:40:10,841 --> 00:40:12,342 Just do it once. 495 00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:18,749 How many times can I do this? - How many times can I do it? 496 00:40:33,730 --> 00:40:36,333 I prefer it, because you're the protagonist. 497 00:40:36,466 --> 00:40:39,269 You go into it, you swaIIow the sound. 498 00:40:41,571 --> 00:40:44,341 That's the sound. - It is such a Shame. 499 00:40:44,474 --> 00:40:45,842 No it's not 500 00:40:48,312 --> 00:40:50,314 I've got something here 501 00:40:56,787 --> 00:40:58,755 That instrument, it's beautiful. 502 00:40:58,889 --> 00:41:03,660 It's so fIexibIe and it is so Iuscious in sound. 503 00:41:03,794 --> 00:41:06,196 Also it carries the sound. 504 00:41:06,330 --> 00:41:09,633 It is perfect I think, for the Rachmaninoff 505 00:41:09,766 --> 00:41:11,435 slow movement from the Cello Sonata, but... 506 00:41:11,568 --> 00:41:15,772 which I mean I am so happy to do that because I love that piece. 507 00:41:18,742 --> 00:41:21,845 You don't want to give aII that sound away you see. 508 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,782 I agree Really, trust me on that one. 509 00:41:40,330 --> 00:41:43,500 There is no question that there are ghosts in the room with us. 510 00:41:43,633 --> 00:41:47,537 Janine was playing on Nathan Milstein's violin 511 00:41:47,671 --> 00:41:53,143 and my goodness, the warmth of tone, 512 00:41:53,477 --> 00:41:55,746 the depth of tone... 513 00:41:55,879 --> 00:41:57,781 But these guys are in the room, 514 00:41:57,914 --> 00:42:02,252 I felt it especially when Janine was playing Liebesleid. 515 00:42:03,186 --> 00:42:05,689 That Kreisler violin. 516 00:42:06,723 --> 00:42:09,359 I just thought "ohh this is strange". 517 00:42:10,827 --> 00:42:13,497 And maybe because the light had gone down outside 518 00:42:13,630 --> 00:42:15,665 and the mood in the room changed, 519 00:42:15,799 --> 00:42:18,402 but I believe in those kind of ghosts. 520 00:42:30,981 --> 00:42:32,182 Hmmm sorry. 521 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:39,089 It's actually a bit intimidating to play. 522 00:43:02,345 --> 00:43:08,051 The 1733 for Liebesleid that was clear from the first moment 523 00:43:08,185 --> 00:43:10,120 I touched that instrument. 524 00:43:10,754 --> 00:43:13,323 One cannot imagine any other sound. 525 00:43:15,992 --> 00:43:18,128 It touches the soul. 526 00:43:20,831 --> 00:43:23,934 And then, somehow I had in my head 527 00:43:24,067 --> 00:43:28,238 that maybe aII the small Kreisler pieces should be on this instrument. 528 00:43:28,371 --> 00:43:31,508 It's just so great and fun to play it. 529 00:43:59,102 --> 00:44:00,437 Sorry I didn't hear it. 530 00:44:00,570 --> 00:44:03,039 But you know what would be interesting, just before, 531 00:44:03,173 --> 00:44:07,611 also to have the other Kreisler here so I can swap. 532 00:44:10,347 --> 00:44:11,414 I love it right? 533 00:44:11,548 --> 00:44:13,083 But I wonder if maybe... 534 00:44:24,027 --> 00:44:26,696 We have the HiII Diaries, so we get an insight 535 00:44:26,830 --> 00:44:28,865 ot how that came about wtth Kramer. 536 00:44:28,999 --> 00:44:32,836 They found the 1733 for him, in around 1917. 537 00:44:33,003 --> 00:44:36,439 He obviously loved it, and it was a great sounding Stradivari 538 00:44:36,573 --> 00:44:39,976 and he obviously kept it until 1936. 539 00:44:40,110 --> 00:44:43,680 But interestingly Kreisler bought another one, just one year later. 540 00:44:43,914 --> 00:44:46,416 If anything it even has a darker, more sonorous, 541 00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:50,120 blooming depth and a sound that is very much Kreisler. 542 00:45:38,401 --> 00:45:43,139 We went to the Spanish Dance of de Fal/a, in a Kreisler arrangement 543 00:45:43,273 --> 00:45:49,879 and the other Kreisler had a bite and a sort of, 544 00:45:50,647 --> 00:45:55,852 you know, how do you say, 'Devil may care' sound about it. 545 00:45:55,986 --> 00:45:57,320 Which is just right! 546 00:46:20,076 --> 00:46:22,245 It's a little bit of, I don't know, 547 00:46:23,513 --> 00:46:28,952 I cannot say it better than you know attitude and a IittIe bit of edge to it! 548 00:46:29,085 --> 00:46:33,590 And I think that's probably the right way to go. 549 00:46:49,372 --> 00:46:51,708 It's a learning Curve to hear so many different fiddles, 550 00:46:51,841 --> 00:46:55,712 but I'm very happy to say I can hear the difference. 551 00:46:55,845 --> 00:46:58,114 And that's the point I think. 552 00:47:10,827 --> 00:47:14,798 No.. it's fun, it's challenging, 553 00:47:14,931 --> 00:47:18,868 it's a Iot of focus, and I feel completely finished. 554 00:47:55,372 --> 00:47:58,508 It's been a little bit crazy for the time here, 555 00:47:58,641 --> 00:48:01,578 being out of the project for the weeks of the quarantine. 556 00:48:01,711 --> 00:48:07,417 But I have wonderful people around me that bring soups and teas and take care. 557 00:48:07,550 --> 00:48:10,987 The other very important thing, which is also a dangerous thing 558 00:48:11,121 --> 00:48:15,792 which is that when one plays music one forgets in a way. 559 00:48:15,925 --> 00:48:20,163 And when one stops playing, one feels like, ok 560 00:48:22,065 --> 00:48:23,032 I'm a bit tired. 561 00:48:23,166 --> 00:48:26,169 But that's just music, it makes one forget. 562 00:48:43,319 --> 00:48:47,223 There were doubts that we were going to actually make this recording, 563 00:48:47,357 --> 00:48:50,627 but you got stronger and I happened to be free. 564 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,697 As everyone else happens to be free, at the moment in this business, 565 00:48:54,831 --> 00:48:58,101 and we just happened to keep postponing and postponing and we're here! 566 00:48:58,234 --> 00:48:59,335 We're doing it. 567 00:48:59,469 --> 00:49:02,071 And we're going to do it the way we need to do it, 568 00:49:02,205 --> 00:49:03,540 but not to force it. 569 00:49:20,824 --> 00:49:22,392 Am I pushing this? 570 00:49:24,194 --> 00:49:25,161 No it's nice. 571 00:49:25,595 --> 00:49:28,798 Is it nice or is it actually nicer if we..? 572 00:49:29,466 --> 00:49:30,433 No it's nice. 573 00:49:32,869 --> 00:49:34,671 Lookthatyes, but I'm making a crescendo into it, 574 00:49:34,804 --> 00:49:35,939 and I'm wondering if I shouldn't do that? 575 00:49:36,072 --> 00:49:37,941 You gotta Iean into it a little bit. 576 00:49:38,074 --> 00:49:39,409 But what if I don't, can I try it? 577 00:49:39,542 --> 00:49:42,745 The crescendo comes from before, look! 578 00:49:55,925 --> 00:49:59,362 The San Lorenzo for me feels like a very warm 579 00:49:59,662 --> 00:50:03,766 and a bit almost dark quality also. 580 00:50:06,236 --> 00:50:11,574 Intuitively I feel like it fits well to the Clara Schumann Romance. 581 00:50:11,708 --> 00:50:13,309 Well, it's a love story! It's a romance. 582 00:50:13,443 --> 00:50:19,315 That's what it is, and that's a very good description of what love is you know? 583 00:50:19,449 --> 00:50:24,287 The light and the dark. The turbulence and the serenity. 584 00:50:41,371 --> 00:50:42,839 What an opportunity it is, 585 00:50:42,972 --> 00:50:46,943 to make a recording with such an extraordinary range of instruments. 586 00:50:47,076 --> 00:50:49,579 Every instrument is teIIing us something different, 587 00:50:49,712 --> 00:50:52,849 and therefore we are recording it in a different sort of way. 588 00:50:52,982 --> 00:50:55,351 We see things come into focus and out of focus, 589 00:50:55,485 --> 00:50:56,853 depending on the instrument itself. 590 00:50:56,986 --> 00:50:59,822 The attraction is, to understand for the first time, 591 00:50:59,956 --> 00:51:02,759 what string players teII us aII the time, which is that every instrument 592 00:51:02,892 --> 00:51:05,695 has its own story, every instrument has got its own life 593 00:51:05,828 --> 00:51:07,730 and they make you play music in a different way. 594 00:51:07,864 --> 00:51:11,834 I'm not sure if change is necessary. It needs to... 595 00:51:15,104 --> 00:51:17,006 Yeah, it needs to have... 596 00:51:17,140 --> 00:51:22,111 what happens is one sounds a little bit forsaken and then you get to the real one. 597 00:51:22,645 --> 00:51:23,646 I understand. 598 00:51:27,116 --> 00:51:28,384 That to me sounds... 599 00:51:29,652 --> 00:51:32,488 I agree... Ok we have to do the whole thing again! 600 00:51:33,222 --> 00:51:34,691 Because I do it every time. 601 00:51:34,824 --> 00:51:36,826 Well no with the big... Don't worry. 602 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,963 No, no, no but I agree. Yeah I like it, let's do it one more time. 603 00:51:57,146 --> 00:52:00,249 We aII know Kreisler's music, it's played by every violinist. 604 00:52:00,383 --> 00:52:02,585 It's beautiful music which is played for encores and so on. 605 00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,420 But to actually hear it on the violin 606 00:52:04,554 --> 00:52:07,890 on which Kreisler had under his chin at the time, 607 00:52:08,024 --> 00:52:11,394 you start to understand why he wrote what he did. 608 00:52:57,306 --> 00:53:00,410 But the beginning was better, there was some... 609 00:53:00,643 --> 00:53:02,512 But those little things we have elsewhere. 610 00:53:02,645 --> 00:53:04,747 - Very nice! - It was better yeah? 611 00:53:04,914 --> 00:53:06,182 Thank you 612 00:53:06,315 --> 00:53:09,118 I wiII call you for aII my fingerings now. 613 00:53:10,820 --> 00:53:15,291 It's a phenomenologically unique experience for a musician 614 00:53:15,425 --> 00:53:18,594 to play something they know Kreisler recorded on. 615 00:53:18,728 --> 00:53:22,432 That Kreisler walked out on stage onto Carnegie Hall with. 616 00:53:22,565 --> 00:53:25,334 So it's obvious to me that there's something imbued in 617 00:53:25,468 --> 00:53:28,538 an instrument by the person who played it before. 618 00:53:28,671 --> 00:53:31,908 And when that person is someone who for me is, again, 619 00:53:32,041 --> 00:53:36,813 a truly noble soul and has given their life to expressing music, 620 00:53:36,946 --> 00:53:39,782 interpreting composers and shared that with us... 621 00:53:40,049 --> 00:53:44,387 I can't help but think there's some of that in the object itself. 622 00:54:05,675 --> 00:54:10,246 I believe that these old instruments are imbued with the character 623 00:54:10,379 --> 00:54:12,849 and the sound of previous players. 624 00:54:12,982 --> 00:54:14,317 I choose to believe it. 625 00:54:14,450 --> 00:54:18,955 Possibly not the case, but the fact is, in the minds of the players 626 00:54:19,188 --> 00:54:21,624 it's a psychological effect and its a real effect. 627 00:54:21,758 --> 00:54:26,229 And any one, modern player, addressing that instrument, 628 00:54:26,829 --> 00:54:29,465 and they have in mind its history... 629 00:54:29,632 --> 00:54:30,767 It's going to come out in their playing. 630 00:54:30,900 --> 00:54:35,438 It's going to effect how they play it and what they deride from it, 631 00:54:35,905 --> 00:54:37,473 which is aII good. 632 00:54:37,673 --> 00:54:41,911 Whether it's scientifically proven or anything, I'm not that interested. 633 00:54:42,044 --> 00:54:43,713 There's a romance to it. 634 00:54:56,626 --> 00:54:58,694 When you start playing, it takes 635 00:54:58,828 --> 00:55:02,498 time to find the sounds, to find the character of the instrument. 636 00:55:02,632 --> 00:55:05,701 And it's so fun to finally find that 637 00:55:05,835 --> 00:55:08,971 and when you listen back you think hmmmm 638 00:55:09,105 --> 00:55:12,942 I killed the instrument, or it's not really resonating properly. 639 00:55:13,075 --> 00:55:18,648 And then while you go on, Suddenly it's there, you start finding it. 640 00:55:18,781 --> 00:55:20,216 So it's really exciting. 641 00:55:20,349 --> 00:55:21,951 And there's of course some instruments 642 00:55:22,084 --> 00:55:25,621 like the Alard and the Tyrell which don't get played a lot. 643 00:55:25,755 --> 00:55:28,224 And then it's not only a matter of me 644 00:55:28,357 --> 00:55:33,129 finding the instrument, but it's also the instrument coming alive. 645 00:55:40,469 --> 00:55:42,004 I'm so sorry to stop. 646 00:55:42,405 --> 00:55:43,873 I'm so unhappy with what I did. 647 00:55:44,006 --> 00:55:44,941 Why? 648 00:55:45,508 --> 00:55:48,644 I make the opposite of what it actually says. 649 00:55:57,220 --> 00:55:58,988 I should make a crescendo, right? 650 00:55:59,121 --> 00:56:01,290 Well, I said the time before, 651 00:56:01,424 --> 00:56:03,826 you know if you're going to do an echo do a little bit. 652 00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,662 But the last one you did was fantastic. 653 00:56:06,796 --> 00:56:07,864 Okok 654 00:56:42,131 --> 00:56:44,734 What we're finding is, the music itself is developing 655 00:56:44,867 --> 00:56:46,135 as Janine gets used to the instrument, 656 00:56:46,269 --> 00:56:47,770 we hear the instrument sometimes open up. 657 00:56:47,904 --> 00:56:50,172 The best example is the Alard, when it began we thought 658 00:56:50,306 --> 00:56:53,142 'Well this is the famous violin, it sounds a little duII at the moment' 659 00:56:53,276 --> 00:56:56,512 And as we did another take and another take and played more and more music, 660 00:56:56,646 --> 00:56:59,048 this instrument started teIIing Janine how to play. 661 00:56:59,181 --> 00:57:00,750 Janine started tell it how to play. 662 00:57:00,883 --> 00:57:04,654 And from our point of view the sound opened out, in a way that normaIIy we'd be 663 00:57:04,787 --> 00:57:08,224 moving microphones, or changing settings to get different sounds like this. 664 00:57:08,357 --> 00:57:11,193 It was the instrument that was changing. 665 00:57:25,107 --> 00:57:27,643 Yeah, here I think we should hear it. 666 00:57:29,011 --> 00:57:30,646 What if we do the opposite? 667 00:57:33,516 --> 00:57:34,750 That is so yearning. 668 00:57:35,952 --> 00:57:37,553 So this should be held... 669 00:57:38,888 --> 00:57:40,389 That should be held. 670 00:57:41,290 --> 00:57:42,959 That I feel the opposite. 671 00:57:43,092 --> 00:57:46,228 You can come back quite a long way dynamically though. - Yes. 672 00:57:46,362 --> 00:57:49,532 Janine, and I know why, because what's coming up 673 00:57:49,665 --> 00:57:52,101 - I just don't want to do aII the time.. like DADADA. 674 00:57:52,234 --> 00:57:53,502 I understand, 675 00:57:54,837 --> 00:57:58,674 - I don't know how it feels over there. - Play like a man. 676 00:58:02,111 --> 00:58:03,980 Ok maybe I was exaggerating 677 00:58:06,882 --> 00:58:09,986 What if we a little bit, there give in dynamic? 678 00:58:14,890 --> 00:58:17,893 So we have space to kind of go to this... 679 00:58:18,027 --> 00:58:20,262 Ijust feel like I am on the top of my... 680 01:00:15,678 --> 01:00:19,181 I am feeling, not great, if I can be honest. 681 01:00:19,315 --> 01:00:22,184 I think it's time to say, we did fantastic work on this 682 01:00:22,318 --> 01:00:23,686 one and on the other meses, so thank you Very much. 683 01:00:23,819 --> 01:00:25,020 Great, thank you. 684 01:00:25,154 --> 01:00:29,024 - We got the big ones out the way. - This was good, yeah. 685 01:00:29,758 --> 01:00:30,993 Thank you Tony. 686 01:00:46,208 --> 01:00:50,045 The extraordinary thing for us is how the violin changes. 687 01:00:50,179 --> 01:00:52,181 Let's do this again tomorrow, aII day.. 688 01:00:52,314 --> 01:00:54,617 and Brahms... and Brahms again! 689 01:00:54,750 --> 01:01:00,789 I'll kill you, I'll make it my mission to kill you. 690 01:01:00,923 --> 01:01:06,762 The Alard is just like, I mean ithas 691 01:01:07,863 --> 01:01:11,667 extreme power, but it has amazing support. 692 01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,703 Whenever you touch the strings you feel this, 693 01:01:14,837 --> 01:01:20,543 I don't know... this body Underneath and not in a kind of you know... 694 01:01:21,610 --> 01:01:24,313 concrete way but like in any way. 695 01:01:24,446 --> 01:01:26,048 It flies, the sound. It's briIIiant, 696 01:01:26,182 --> 01:01:31,887 not only on the E string but like overall, it's amazing. 697 01:01:32,021 --> 01:01:35,424 And now it's here, and it's being played for the first time at a concert hall. 698 01:01:35,558 --> 01:01:39,428 For the first time in a recording, and I'm super 699 01:01:39,562 --> 01:01:43,666 Iucky and grateful to be able to do that, 700 01:01:43,799 --> 01:01:47,670 experience this time together with Alard... 701 01:01:48,604 --> 01:01:51,340 Me and Alard 702 01:01:53,342 --> 01:01:56,545 There's a saying from his time, as rich as Stradivari. 703 01:01:56,679 --> 01:02:01,417 In Cremona, he had effectively established a name and a brand for himself 704 01:02:01,550 --> 01:02:03,953 and a sense of excellence during his Iifetime. 705 01:02:04,086 --> 01:02:07,056 Many of the instruments that he made 706 01:02:07,189 --> 01:02:09,925 went directly into private collections. 707 01:02:10,059 --> 01:02:11,827 The church being the most notable. 708 01:02:11,961 --> 01:02:16,465 So you have, at the very outset at the sense 709 01:02:16,599 --> 01:02:19,335 of value and prestige associated with the object. 710 01:02:19,468 --> 01:02:20,436 It's very significant. 711 01:02:20,569 --> 01:02:23,472 Well I often think of Violins, they're sort of like... 712 01:02:23,606 --> 01:02:29,011 little rubber ducks, floating on the streams of history. 713 01:02:30,246 --> 01:02:34,817 Economic and colonial and industrial history, 714 01:02:34,950 --> 01:02:37,453 these little Violins are just bobbing along on this stream. 715 01:02:37,586 --> 01:02:40,623 Going from a little town in Northern Italy, 716 01:02:40,756 --> 01:02:43,726 Cremona, and then they go to Spam ñrst, 717 01:02:43,859 --> 01:02:47,930 because Cremona was a possessjxon of Spam at that peñod. .... 718 01:02:48,063 --> 01:02:52,101 And then Spain goes into decline and they start moving into 719 01:02:52,234 --> 01:02:56,038 France, and then England is the great dominant power. 720 01:02:56,171 --> 01:02:57,773 And then it's Wherever the money resides. 721 01:02:57,906 --> 01:03:01,977 Wherever there is a great class of people, the aristocrats, 722 01:03:02,111 --> 01:03:07,483 but then in the 19th century these become business owners, industrialists. 723 01:03:59,835 --> 01:04:02,571 You had these instruments available in your country house, 724 01:04:02,705 --> 01:04:04,873 so you had hired a musician, 725 01:04:05,007 --> 01:04:07,743 who may have an inferior instrument and then say, 726 01:04:07,876 --> 01:04:10,412 "Now you're in my home, you play my Stradivari." 727 01:04:10,546 --> 01:04:13,749 And it impressas your guests, and 728 01:04:14,450 --> 01:04:19,788 basically you'd have them hanging in wardrobes around your country estate. 729 01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:57,926 I think using instruments as 730 01:04:58,060 --> 01:05:02,998 a study in geopolitical and economic power is completely fascinating. 731 01:05:03,132 --> 01:05:05,901 I mean, where were a Iot of great Stradivaris going, 732 01:05:06,034 --> 01:05:08,570 in the '80s in the '90s. Many of them went to Japan. 733 01:05:08,704 --> 01:05:11,707 There's a moment were many of these instruments are appearing 734 01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:13,776 in private collections in Korea. 735 01:05:13,909 --> 01:05:18,180 The Iandscape right now in Asia, with the profound 736 01:05:18,313 --> 01:05:21,517 artistic excellence and great economic power 737 01:05:21,650 --> 01:05:23,485 being developed in China, 738 01:05:23,619 --> 01:05:25,254 there's a possibility for custodianship 739 01:05:25,387 --> 01:05:29,324 in that part of the world that's very unique. 740 01:05:29,491 --> 01:05:36,064 I need to be very loose, I think with the vibrato for it to go... Iike this. 741 01:05:39,601 --> 01:05:40,936 Let's try 742 01:05:41,069 --> 01:05:43,272 - Ok guys. - Yeah we're aII ready 743 01:05:43,639 --> 01:05:45,607 Th is is Désespoir. 744 01:06:19,675 --> 01:06:21,743 There are some instruments of course, 745 01:06:21,877 --> 01:06:26,148 that couple so extremely weII and have to be... 746 01:06:26,281 --> 01:06:31,019 Vieuxtemps with this wonderful Désespoir piece by Vieuxtemps himself. 747 01:06:31,153 --> 01:06:33,989 Desperation. I mean, this violin is special. 748 01:06:34,122 --> 01:06:36,925 It's really great to play it 749 01:06:37,059 --> 01:06:41,697 because it feels kind of Iike a Ferrari, it always gives a IittIe bit more, 750 01:06:41,830 --> 01:06:44,666 just that one extra gear and kind of flies. 751 01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:48,270 And this piece, I mean I cannot imagine another instrument, 752 01:06:48,403 --> 01:06:50,539 that would fit better. 753 01:06:52,007 --> 01:06:55,210 Sorry, sorry I missed that. - I didn't hear you, 754 01:06:56,945 --> 01:06:57,913 I'm sorry. 755 01:07:01,550 --> 01:07:03,385 Any faster and then I can't. 756 01:07:03,519 --> 01:07:05,921 Let's play it one time through, we wiII listen if we are.. 757 01:07:06,188 --> 01:07:08,090 Yeah Ok. 758 01:08:03,045 --> 01:08:05,247 Ok guys, don't push me anymore. - No. 759 01:08:06,048 --> 01:08:09,051 It is sometimes thought that Violins should be played aII the time. 760 01:08:09,184 --> 01:08:13,155 There are a few exceptional examples that would benefit future generations 761 01:08:13,288 --> 01:08:15,524 by being preserved. 762 01:08:15,824 --> 01:08:18,193 Which doesn't mean that they would never be played, 763 01:08:18,327 --> 01:08:21,830 but it does mean that they would be 764 01:08:22,598 --> 01:08:26,468 rested for a while and the instruments like the Tyrell, 765 01:08:26,602 --> 01:08:29,304 which we can see now in such extraordinary condition 766 01:08:29,438 --> 01:08:34,343 are only Iike that because they have been shut away for maybe 200 years. 767 01:09:13,115 --> 01:09:16,852 I think the Elgar with the Tyrell is beautiful, 768 01:09:16,985 --> 01:09:21,623 it's such a pure sounding instrument. 769 01:09:21,757 --> 01:09:26,328 So extremely human in its voice, I mean I find, I get this... 770 01:09:26,461 --> 01:09:29,798 And the Sospiri, I mean it's this... 771 01:09:29,931 --> 01:09:32,901 this extremely cantabile. .. 772 01:09:36,038 --> 01:09:40,742 almost like a human voice that fits it so beautifully. 773 01:10:29,825 --> 01:10:33,328 There are people who own instruments, and you don't see them care. 774 01:10:33,462 --> 01:10:35,464 I don't know how many instruments you hear, ten to eleven or tweIve, 775 01:10:35,597 --> 01:10:38,700 but some of the greatest instruments, they can stiII be played. 776 01:10:38,834 --> 01:10:40,702 And played hard and played well, and played, 777 01:10:40,836 --> 01:10:44,206 you know in big concert haIIs and sound spectacular. 778 01:10:44,339 --> 01:10:49,277 So me, when I look at it, when I've got something that can be played 779 01:10:49,411 --> 01:10:52,748 and can be Ient to a top performer, 780 01:10:52,881 --> 01:10:57,219 or somebody who has got real talent, then let's make it happen. 781 01:11:39,961 --> 01:11:43,198 Patronage has always been a part, because Stradivari in his day 782 01:11:43,331 --> 01:11:45,534 was charging a Iot of money for his Violins. 783 01:11:45,667 --> 01:11:48,537 Certainly that tradition of great patrons 784 01:11:48,670 --> 01:11:51,206 has always been important, because they've always been expensive 785 01:11:51,339 --> 01:11:53,175 and they've become even more expensive. 786 01:11:53,308 --> 01:11:57,746 Anything from five to twenty five or more million dollars, which is extraordinary. 787 01:11:57,879 --> 01:12:00,849 But players reIy on patronage. 788 01:12:01,449 --> 01:12:04,686 In terms of investment, instruments that were made three hundred years ago, 789 01:12:04,820 --> 01:12:06,154 they're making no more of these. 790 01:12:06,288 --> 01:12:07,856 So there's a finite supply. 791 01:12:07,989 --> 01:12:11,126 There are some spectacular modern instruments but my personal view is 792 01:12:11,259 --> 01:12:13,528 they can project weII but they don't have the cuII and the nuance 793 01:12:13,662 --> 01:12:15,530 that some of these really, tremendously great instruments, 794 01:12:15,664 --> 01:12:19,067 dating back to two or three hundred years have. 795 01:12:19,267 --> 01:12:21,636 And so, you know, for me to be part of that, 796 01:12:21,770 --> 01:12:23,939 and to hear these instruments, 797 01:12:24,139 --> 01:12:28,543 and I don't want to sound too clichéd, but we're the keepers for the next generation. 798 01:12:29,744 --> 01:12:31,546 So much more warmth. 799 01:12:37,385 --> 01:12:39,654 If you're going to want to re-record everything I'm going to kiII you. 800 01:12:39,788 --> 01:12:41,356 I'm going to kiII you so many times. 801 01:12:41,556 --> 01:12:44,259 No but this violin is very easy to work, and it's speaking. 802 01:12:44,392 --> 01:12:45,460 It's soft. 803 01:12:49,431 --> 01:12:53,568 But it is, it reacts to kind of delicate touch. 804 01:12:54,769 --> 01:12:56,571 Ok, here we go kids. 805 01:12:58,907 --> 01:13:01,209 Now it wiII be undelicate. 806 01:13:47,289 --> 01:13:50,225 I think that the future is related to the past, 807 01:13:50,358 --> 01:13:53,628 where there wiII be more of these instruments 808 01:13:53,762 --> 01:13:55,864 put into private collections. 809 01:13:55,997 --> 01:14:00,902 I a way that is problematic, because they become silenced in that process. 810 01:14:01,036 --> 01:14:02,837 Is there a way to do that where 811 01:14:02,971 --> 01:14:05,140 the instruments become available to be heard? 812 01:14:05,273 --> 01:14:10,779 And is there a combination between conservation and performance practice 813 01:14:10,912 --> 01:14:13,248 where both of those things can be honoured? 814 01:14:13,381 --> 01:14:17,319 I would Iike to see the future described by those things. 815 01:14:55,357 --> 01:14:58,660 Not to forget Ida Haendel's Strad, it's special. 816 01:14:58,793 --> 01:15:04,733 And that E string it kind of, goes straight to the heart. 817 01:15:04,866 --> 01:15:08,570 Then, of course, knowing this was her instrument, 818 01:15:08,703 --> 01:15:13,942 it makes it even more knowing and beautiful. 819 01:15:48,643 --> 01:15:53,915 The history of violin playing has been in this room for four days, 820 01:15:54,049 --> 01:15:58,486 and it carries on through Janine, and she's demonstrated her prowess 821 01:15:58,620 --> 01:16:01,289 and her Curiosity and soul 822 01:16:01,423 --> 01:16:06,094 and perseverance and Courage to take these Violins in her hands, 823 01:16:06,227 --> 01:16:11,900 because I can imagine, just the idea is daunting. 824 01:16:12,033 --> 01:16:16,638 I mean, it's a great opportunity yes, but it's frightening. 825 01:16:16,905 --> 01:16:18,740 But she just... 826 01:16:19,307 --> 01:16:22,143 Maybe in a way, during the recording 827 01:16:22,277 --> 01:16:28,583 I tried not to realise aII the time which amazing 828 01:16:29,651 --> 01:16:32,687 musicians have played these instruments because it is of course... 829 01:16:32,821 --> 01:16:40,061 you know that is quite impressive and that can be intimidating as well. 830 01:16:40,195 --> 01:16:42,964 But I let the instrument inspire me. 831 01:16:43,398 --> 01:16:44,299 Wich violin is this? 832 01:16:44,432 --> 01:16:45,233 It's mine... 833 01:16:47,902 --> 01:16:49,070 Mine... 834 01:16:50,271 --> 01:16:51,306 My Shumsky! 835 01:17:59,407 --> 01:18:01,643 That project, of course it is once in a Iifetime. 836 01:18:01,843 --> 01:18:05,313 I wasn't, at aII points, completely sure about making it to the end. 837 01:18:05,446 --> 01:18:09,117 But actually, there comes again this thing about 838 01:18:09,851 --> 01:18:14,222 music inspiration, music itself, 839 01:18:14,355 --> 01:18:19,627 the instruments and a wonderful partner on stage and we're here. 840 01:19:00,034 --> 01:19:01,636 Shall we listen once? 841 01:19:01,769 --> 01:19:03,471 No, great stuff, that's fine. 842 01:19:03,605 --> 01:19:04,572 Just leave it, 843 01:19:04,706 --> 01:19:07,775 Please, trust me, just leave it. 844 01:19:07,909 --> 01:19:10,645 - One more. - No. 845 01:19:10,778 --> 01:19:13,948 Guys, fantastic playing. It's been a real pleasure. 846 01:19:14,082 --> 01:19:15,717 Thank you so much. 847 01:19:20,154 --> 01:19:21,756 Thank you... 848 01:19:21,889 --> 01:19:23,157 Can we...? Tony? 849 01:19:23,291 --> 01:19:28,496 Tony, do you have any energy to play Syncopation just one time through? 850 01:19:28,630 --> 01:19:30,565 To see how it sounds on this? 851 01:19:32,667 --> 01:19:34,435 That's it... just for fun. 852 01:19:36,271 --> 01:19:40,141 You have it...right 853 01:19:40,275 --> 01:19:44,312 Coming back completely at the end of the recording, we did the 'Syncopation'. 854 01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:47,715 We had done it on the '33, so then we tried it on the '34 855 01:19:47,849 --> 01:19:50,118 and 'xt ?eh great. 73311

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