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KOCH: John Waters is a Lutherville boy
who, like it or not...
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...has moved from fringe
to famous mainstream mania.
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For the past 14 years, John Waters
has lived in an apartment high-rise...
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...near downtown Baltimore.
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He surrounds himself with the bizarre
and unusual...
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...memorabilia, objects that get his
imagination going.
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Okay, this is the electric chair
which was used in Female Trouble...
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...that Vince Peranio made for me.
Looks exactly like one.
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It really comes in handy
when the phone men...
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...or nosey landlords...
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...come in and give you trouble.
You just sort of steal a look at it...
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...and look at them and they usually
fix your phone without much trouble.
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- And it's not real'?
-No, but it's exactly what one looks like.
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- Today? A modern one?
-Today.
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This is where I write, did the book,
wrote the movie, everything--
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- This is your desk?
-Well, my office is in there...
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...but this is where I sit and write,
because basically...
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...all my business is done from New York,
the selling of it...
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...l just have to think it up here.
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And you take your inspiration from the--
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Well, mostly I think from Captain Hook.
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I think that's what I looked at mostly,
writing...
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...Cyril Ritchard and Captain Hook.
-Ha-ha-ha.
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I always wanted to look like that
when I was a child.
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You write out there,
but this is where you think?
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Yeah, this is where I think up things.
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This is my bulletin board that's just layers
of 10 years of stuff...
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...that every little image I like,
I just kind of put up here.
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- This is the library?
-Yup, this is the library. Uh...
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These are all crime books.
Every one of these...
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...is a hideous crime
that happened.
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Because that's my hobby.
People send me-- This is the most...
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...most hideous thing I ever got.
It's the dirt from the former home...
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...of John Wayne Gacy.
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KOCH: The man who killed the young boys
and buried them?
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He's gonna get the electric chair very soon.
It'll be worth more then.
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Yeah. Who sent it to you, John?
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People that write me.
I get very strange mail.
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- Do they send it anonymously?
-N0, with letters.
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Nice people that just sort of
like my work.
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I guess let's start at the beginning
and find out how someone...
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...who grew up in Lutherville,
suburban Lutherville...
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...ended up being now known as
the King of Bad Taste.
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Gee, I don't know.
I grew up very conventionally...
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...and as soon as I could,
tried to escape it...
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...from even the very earliest ages.
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You've talked in interviews before
and written about your relationship...
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...when you were young, with the Catholic
Church and with the school system.
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D0 you think some of that rebelliousness
fed into your films...
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...or what you wanted to do in film?
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I think I've worked Catholicism
out of my system...
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...with Multiple Maniacs, the film,
definitely.
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[SCREAMING]
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I like the theatrics of Catholicism...
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...and I think certainly there are
good priests...
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.-.there are good people that do things.
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But, uh, I'm certainly against
the official position...
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...of the Catholic Church on sex,
on AIDS.
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I don't get why AIDS people don't go out there
and chain themselves to the Pope.
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When I walk around your apartment,
it's easy, if I let myself...
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...to see it as sort of a film's set.
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The apartment certainly reflects the same
sense of humor that I put in...
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...all my work.
-Mm-hm.
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Also, in the same way that the apartment
is like a set...
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...in some ways, because you have
become so famous...
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...whether you like it or not...
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...it is easy to think of John Waters
as a character.
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- There's a certain look and style to you.
-Oh yeah, certainly.
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Is that hard to maintain?
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N0, because you're right.
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People say to me:
“You couldn't leave Baltimore now.“
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And they're right, it's part of my act,
that I live here, nationally.
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It's the first thing every interviewer in every
city says: "Why do you live in Baltimore?"
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It has really become part of it.
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Yes, you have created a character of yourself,
but I know when to--
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My friends don't live with that character,
and it's pretty much the same...
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...but you're not always "on"
the whole time...
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...which you have to be,
doing something like this.
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Basically, no matter how good
an interviewer you are...
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...l'm not going to tell you
everything about my life or I'd be a fool.
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- Absolutely.
-There's not everything you wanna share...
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...with the viewers of Channel 13.
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Unless you're a moron and have no real life.
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You've talked a lot about-- In interviews and
also in one of your books--
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--about the period of time in your life
when you used drugs...
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...and felt that was a good period.
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Has your feeling about that changed?
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I don't regret taking drugs.
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But I know people that did with me
that are dead.
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I don't have bad experiences from it...
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...but I certainly wouldn't tell anybody
to go take them.
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But I also wouldn't tell them not to.
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That's a personal decision
you've gotta make...
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...and if you can get through them--
It's a subject there's no real answer to.
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L'm not gonna be a hypocrite and say:
“Just say no." I didn't.
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- Do you now?
-No. I'm too-- Are you kidding?
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I can't even imagine- Taking LSD now?
I know myself well enough.
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That would be the most boring thing...
and seeing things like that.
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- Oh, God. I would feel like a fool, tripping.
-Ha-ha-ha.
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- I mean, ifs so retro.
-Yes, it is retro.
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[KOCH LAUGHING]
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Now, you've been quoted as saying
that the only weird thing about you...
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...is your ideas. ls that true?
ls your normal life pretty normal?
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I think so. I've very regimented,
I get up at 7:00.
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I go and I read my paper, I drink my tea,
then I start work right at 8:00 exactly...
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...and that's when I write until 12,
then I stop.
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S0 ljust think, "Oh, another day“...
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...and how nice it is
I don't have to go to a real job.
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[BOTH LAUGHING]
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Take people who are serious about film,
and serious about art...
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...and they see your films,
it's easy for them to think:
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“He's really sort of winking at us all,
he's really putting us on.“
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lam in a way, but I'm serious about making
these films I make...
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...dead serious about making
a good comedy.
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But just because I make comedies,
people think:
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"When are you gonna make a serious movie?“
Comedy's serious.
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It's harder to do.
It's hard to get people to laugh today.
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S0 I am winking, certainly.
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I never want to take myself s0 seriously
that I would say:
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“I'm going to change your life by this movie.“
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Because I don't think movies
change anybody's lives.
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I think ifs a pleasant way
to spend two hours.
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