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[shutter snapping]
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- This American carnage stops
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right here
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and stops right now.
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- His presidency,
and the lead-up
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to his presidency,
will be studied
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for the rest
of American history.
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Donald Trump
is a street fighter.
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- When you think
of how we started in 2015,
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he understood
where America was going
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to some degree
before America did.
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- Over the years,
I've surprised
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a lot of people.
The biggest surprise
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is yet to come.
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- I used to think
that Donald Trump
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really understood
the zeitgeist of the nation.
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- You're fired.
You're fired.
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You're fired.
- Now I realized
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he is the zeitgeist.
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- There was virtually
not a person on the planet
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who didn't know
who Donald Trump was.
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- To listen to this--
it's just so ridiculous.
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- There's a toughness to him.
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I mean, he can take
a lot of bullets.
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He can catch bullets
in his teeth.
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- Donald Trump is a survivor.
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- He comes as advertised.
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It can be disgusting,
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but there is
a genius to it.
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- I don't think people change.
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I'm a very big believer
in the fact
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that when you are
a certain way,
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that's the way you are.
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I love to fight.
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I always loved to fight.
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My father was
a very tough man.
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- Okay?
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Whenever you're ready.
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♪
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- There's
a clear through line
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that's passed down
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from generation
to generation.
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- If you become
a power broker in Manhattan,
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you are the man.
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- Trump, Trump,
Trump, Trump, Trump.
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His name is his power.
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- Do whatever you have to do.
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You say whatever
you have to say.
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Winning is everything.
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♪
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- I think that to understand
Donald Trump,
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you really have to go back
to the beginning.
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♪
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[metal creaking]
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♪
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- Please watch your step.
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Okay.
- [laughs]
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- This is called, uh,
"topping out," right?
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- This is called topping out.
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- I--see how much I know?
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[laughs]
- Let's grab a handshake.
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- Sure.
How you doing, Don?
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- Good.
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[somber music]
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They can live in Houston,
they can live in Paris,
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they can live
anywhere in the world.
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Many of these
very wealthy people
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have chosen Trump Tower,
and I think
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it's a very important step
for New York.
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I think it's a vital step
for New York.
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[applause]
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♪
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- Trump Tower is nothing
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if not a symbol
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that winning is everything.
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♪
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- Trump Tower was really
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the thing that put him
on the map in so many ways.
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It won him recognition
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and even honor
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and brought him to a level
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that he thought
had not been possible
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for his family to date.
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- And by the way, uh,
he is a chip
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off the old block.
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- This is my father,
Fred Trump.
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- Right.
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- He was able to surpass
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his very demanding father,
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leaving behind
Brooklyn and Queens
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and taking over New York.
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But this was not
the beginning.
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The Trump family saga
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starts much earlier on.
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- All right, so you know
I'm trying
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to march you
through your life.
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- I'm not in the past.
- Yeah.
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- I'm--I'm a person
that thinks to the future.
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- That's--that's
the thing, is--
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- I just don't like
wasting time on the past.
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- Other people do have to know
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about how you got here.
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- I'm never in the past.
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- Right, I know, I know.
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- In 2014,
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I did four sit-down interviews
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with Donald Trump.
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I wanted to know
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how was it
that this kid from Queens
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turned himself
into the character
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that became
the Donald Trump we know?
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Uh, let me see if I can--
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- I don't like
talking about the past.
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Past is over.
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No, I don't want
to think about it.
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I don't like to think
too much of the past...
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- All right, well--
- Other than--
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other than--
this is very important--
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I learn from the past.
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- Donald's grandfather,
Friedrich Trump,
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came to the United States
in 1885.
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He was 16.
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He came from a wine-producing
small village in Germany,
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but wasn't content
to stay there.
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- In the middle
of the night,
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he writes a letter
and leaves it for his mom,
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and in the morning,
he is gone.
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- For Friedrich,
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the goal was to really become
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a wealthy man.
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- Railroads were advertising
every day,
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"Buy a ticket to fortune.
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Buy a ticket west."
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- Friedrich took off
for the Northwest,
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the last part
of the physical frontier,
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where things were wide open,
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and a young man
with a lot of energy
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might be able
to do very well.
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Word began to circulate
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of a mining town
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just getting going
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northeast of Seattle,
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called Monte Cristo,
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being bankrolled,
of all things,
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by John D. Rockefeller.
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- Rockefeller is,
of course,
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this living emblem
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of success in America,
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and so,
if John D. Rockefeller
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says, "My engineers
have discovered
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there's this great vein
of silver ore,"
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well, off you go.
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All you had to do
to stake a claim
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was declare
that you had struck silver
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on a piece of land,
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and it was yours to work,
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and no one else could have it.
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In Friedrichs's case,
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he announced that he
had found something
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when he hadn't even dug
a single hole.
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- He had no intention
of mining,
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and he, in fact,
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instead built a hotel.
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He looked at the world
that he had come into
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and figured out
where there was an opening
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and figured out how to do it.
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He was very savvy
about that.
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He set himself up
to mine the miners,
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providing food, fine dining,
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and...
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- There is
a wonderful euphemism
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called "Rooms for ladies."
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- Pretty much of a code word
for prostitutes.
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- There were prostitutes
hanging out in the bar,
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and, uh, any man
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who wanted
to take a hooker upstairs--
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there were rooms available.
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[jaunty music]
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- Friedrich was
supremely ambitious,
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was willing to do
whatever it took
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in order to get ahead.
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- In 1897,
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a ship came into Seattle
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laden with gold
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from the gold fields
of the Yukon.
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- These men stagger off
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onto dry land,
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but they can barely walk
down the gangplank
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because of their sacks
and bags of gold,
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and that set off
the Yukon gold rush.
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Friedrich thought
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"I want a share
of the action."
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- Friedrich makes his way
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to the Yukon.
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Like everybody else,
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it's by foot,
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an astonishing journey
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up mountain passes,
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single file--
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was an extremely arduous,
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difficult,
life-threatening situation.
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- The White Pass trail--
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you could have horses
on it,
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and horses
could pull loads over,
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but these miners
had no idea
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what that, in fact,
involved.
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The horses
were completely unsuitable
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for the absolutely grim
conditions,
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and they died
on the trail,
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or they fell
and broke their legs,
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or their owners
simply shot them
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because they couldn't go
any further.
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There was a terrifying piece
of that trail
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called the Dead Horse Gulch,
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which was packed solid
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with dead horseflesh.
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In fact, one of the miners
who went up that trail said
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that you could've just laid
all the horses end-to-end,
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and you would've been walking
over dead horseflesh
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for 50 miles.
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- But for Friedrich,
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it was an opportunity.
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He had tent restaurants
along the way,
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and where would you get
fresh meat?
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What do these people need?
They need food.
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So he uses
those dead horses,
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and serves up horse burgers,
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serves up horse steaks.
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- Friedrich arrives in Bennett
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with all of his guile
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and all
of his resourcefulness intac,
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and he is ready
to go into business.
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- Bennett was
a newly-built town
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that was thrown up by people
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on the way to the gold fields.
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- Bennett was
a very savvy place to be,
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because all the miners
had to come through Bennett,
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so there was always
gonna be traffic.
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- He establishes himself,
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builds his hotel-restaurant.
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- It's filled,
it's bustling,
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and apparently,
the best restaurant in town.
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That's what
the press accounts said.
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- But he hears
there's a railway being built
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to a place
further down the river
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called Whitehorse,
which, at that stage,
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was barely more
than a couple of buildings.
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- Friedrich knows
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that Bennett
would be bypassed.
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Now, what's his response
to this?
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♪
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It is to put his restaurant
and hotel on a raft
276
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and float it down the river
to Whitehorse.
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♪
278
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[train horn blows]
279
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- By the time
the train arrived there,
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he had a restaurant,
a hotel there.
281
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Of course, that means
282
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that he's in
on the ground floor
283
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and makes a fortune
really fast.
284
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- I don't think,
given Friedrich's character,
285
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anything else
is going to happen.
286
00:11:27,077 --> 00:11:29,947
This is a guy
of consummate ambition.
287
00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:34,130
♪
288
00:11:34,258 --> 00:11:35,958
- And he must have led
a wild life,
289
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'cause you can imagine--
- Right.
290
00:11:37,348 --> 00:11:39,048
- He owned a one-room hotel,
291
00:11:39,176 --> 00:11:40,656
and he'd move the hotel.
He'd take it down--
292
00:11:40,787 --> 00:11:42,267
- Oh, yeah,
and float it on a barge.
293
00:11:42,397 --> 00:11:43,957
- And float it on a barge
and then move it
294
00:11:44,094 --> 00:11:45,184
to a better area.
- And they served
295
00:11:45,313 --> 00:11:46,753
more than food,
296
00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:48,360
'cause--
- Right, right, right.
297
00:11:48,490 --> 00:11:50,100
- You could satisfy
all your appetites.
298
00:11:50,231 --> 00:11:52,021
- He must have led
some wild life.
299
00:11:52,146 --> 00:11:53,836
- Booze, beds, and women.
300
00:11:53,974 --> 00:11:55,804
- Right, and se--
- But he got rich.
301
00:11:55,932 --> 00:11:57,502
- It had to be, uh--
but he did well.
302
00:11:57,629 --> 00:11:59,109
- Yeah.
- And he was--
303
00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:00,890
he was a great guy,
from what I hear.
304
00:12:01,024 --> 00:12:02,464
I mean, he was--he was--
must have been terrific.
305
00:12:02,591 --> 00:12:06,551
♪
306
00:12:06,682 --> 00:12:08,772
- In his early '30s,
307
00:12:08,902 --> 00:12:11,172
Friedrich goes back
to Germany,
308
00:12:11,295 --> 00:12:13,905
and he has
a few things on his mind.
309
00:12:14,037 --> 00:12:15,597
♪
310
00:12:15,735 --> 00:12:18,955
One is to find a wife.
311
00:12:19,086 --> 00:12:22,176
He's looking
for a lovely German woman
312
00:12:22,306 --> 00:12:23,656
to marry, and he discovers
313
00:12:23,786 --> 00:12:25,436
Elizabeth Christ.
314
00:12:25,570 --> 00:12:27,090
♪
315
00:12:27,224 --> 00:12:28,754
The two fall in love
316
00:12:28,878 --> 00:12:31,008
and were eventually married.
317
00:12:31,141 --> 00:12:34,141
[somber music]
318
00:12:34,275 --> 00:12:38,755
In 1905, they return
to New York.
319
00:12:38,888 --> 00:12:40,798
She's carrying her son,
320
00:12:40,934 --> 00:12:42,074
Donald's father,
321
00:12:42,196 --> 00:12:44,676
Fredrick.
322
00:12:44,807 --> 00:12:46,767
Friedrich is not going
to operate
323
00:12:46,896 --> 00:12:50,676
a saloon-slash-restaurant-
slash-house of ill repute.
324
00:12:50,813 --> 00:12:52,823
He is going to become
a businessman,
325
00:12:52,946 --> 00:12:54,596
and his business
is going to be real estate.
326
00:12:54,730 --> 00:12:56,820
♪
327
00:12:56,950 --> 00:12:58,560
Friedrich is looking out
328
00:12:58,690 --> 00:13:00,340
on the world
that is New York City
329
00:13:00,475 --> 00:13:04,035
and searching
for a frontier.
330
00:13:04,174 --> 00:13:07,054
Just as there was a railroad
being built to Whitehorse,
331
00:13:07,177 --> 00:13:08,567
in the Yukon,
332
00:13:08,700 --> 00:13:10,180
he sees that the place to be
333
00:13:10,311 --> 00:13:12,751
is Queens.
334
00:13:12,879 --> 00:13:14,659
The frontier
is going to be reached
335
00:13:14,794 --> 00:13:17,494
by the Queensboro Bridge.
336
00:13:17,622 --> 00:13:19,062
This is a mighty edifice
337
00:13:19,189 --> 00:13:21,979
that is going
to literally open up
338
00:13:22,105 --> 00:13:24,535
to the crush of people
339
00:13:24,673 --> 00:13:28,023
interested in the suburbs.
340
00:13:28,155 --> 00:13:30,235
The people need homes,
341
00:13:30,374 --> 00:13:33,734
and he decides that it's
a wonderful opportunity
342
00:13:33,856 --> 00:13:35,726
for the real estate man
on the make.
343
00:13:35,858 --> 00:13:40,168
♪
344
00:13:40,297 --> 00:13:45,867
♪
345
00:13:45,999 --> 00:13:48,479
- In the spring of 1918,
346
00:13:48,610 --> 00:13:51,660
young Fred, Donald's father,
is 12 years old.
347
00:13:51,787 --> 00:13:53,477
♪
348
00:13:53,615 --> 00:13:56,705
He went out for a walk
with his father.
349
00:13:56,836 --> 00:13:58,446
As they're walking along,
350
00:13:58,576 --> 00:14:01,226
his father says
he's not feeling well...
351
00:14:01,362 --> 00:14:02,802
♪
352
00:14:02,929 --> 00:14:05,109
And within hours,
353
00:14:05,235 --> 00:14:06,105
he's died.
354
00:14:06,236 --> 00:14:08,196
♪
355
00:14:08,325 --> 00:14:10,235
Eventually, it becomes clear
356
00:14:10,371 --> 00:14:11,501
that what's killed him
357
00:14:11,633 --> 00:14:13,293
was the influenza epidemic
358
00:14:13,417 --> 00:14:16,287
that's sweeping the country
in 1918
359
00:14:16,420 --> 00:14:18,380
and has claimed millions
of lives.
360
00:14:18,509 --> 00:14:20,509
[desolate music]
361
00:14:20,642 --> 00:14:22,562
- you can imagine
the sense of siege
362
00:14:22,687 --> 00:14:24,387
and worry
363
00:14:24,515 --> 00:14:26,995
about how you were going
to survive.
364
00:14:27,127 --> 00:14:29,907
Fred--he was the oldest son,
and as the oldest son,
365
00:14:30,043 --> 00:14:31,873
he had to step
into this role
366
00:14:32,001 --> 00:14:33,831
and take care of things.
367
00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,270
- Of course, their lives
were drastically changed.
368
00:14:37,398 --> 00:14:39,268
- Fred Trump Sr.'s experience
369
00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,320
was in some ways,
a classic, uh,
370
00:14:41,445 --> 00:14:42,925
borough ethnic, uh, story.
371
00:14:43,056 --> 00:14:44,666
His childhood
was foreshortened,
372
00:14:44,796 --> 00:14:46,316
so he worked hard,
373
00:14:46,450 --> 00:14:47,760
and that kind of an upbringing
374
00:14:47,887 --> 00:14:49,187
can make you,
or it can break you.
375
00:14:49,323 --> 00:14:50,723
It made him.
376
00:14:50,846 --> 00:14:52,366
- My father was the greatest,
377
00:14:52,500 --> 00:14:53,460
'cause he taught me
everything.
378
00:14:53,588 --> 00:14:54,718
He was very knowledgeable.
379
00:14:54,850 --> 00:14:55,940
He was a very smart guy.
380
00:14:56,069 --> 00:14:57,459
He was a very good negotiator,
381
00:14:57,592 --> 00:15:00,382
and he taught me a lot,
382
00:15:00,508 --> 00:15:03,118
and I learned a lot
from my father, from Fred.
383
00:15:03,250 --> 00:15:07,730
♪
384
00:15:07,863 --> 00:15:09,693
- At the age of 17,
385
00:15:09,821 --> 00:15:11,951
Fred built his first home.
386
00:15:12,085 --> 00:15:13,955
He took the profits from that
to build another,
387
00:15:14,087 --> 00:15:15,437
and the profits from that
for another,
388
00:15:15,566 --> 00:15:16,826
and pretty soon,
the family business
389
00:15:16,959 --> 00:15:19,659
was taking off.
390
00:15:19,788 --> 00:15:21,398
♪
391
00:15:21,529 --> 00:15:22,879
- At the height
of the Depression, 1934,
392
00:15:23,009 --> 00:15:24,749
with a good deal
of homelessness,
393
00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:26,490
the federal government
394
00:15:26,621 --> 00:15:28,361
is trying to address
this issue by creating
395
00:15:28,492 --> 00:15:30,582
the Federal
Housing Administration.
396
00:15:30,712 --> 00:15:32,372
- The Congress
has made it easier
397
00:15:32,496 --> 00:15:35,276
for private capital
to build modest homes
398
00:15:35,412 --> 00:15:37,112
and low-rental dwellings.
399
00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,290
- By seeding all this money,
400
00:15:39,415 --> 00:15:41,375
by backing all these loans,
401
00:15:41,505 --> 00:15:44,595
the FHA creates
this whirlwind of development.
402
00:15:44,726 --> 00:15:47,816
♪
403
00:15:47,947 --> 00:15:49,637
- This was the beginning
404
00:15:49,774 --> 00:15:51,524
of the Trump empire.
405
00:15:51,646 --> 00:15:54,256
- The FHA would be responsible
406
00:15:54,388 --> 00:15:55,908
for the funding
407
00:15:56,042 --> 00:15:57,702
of some of Fred's
biggest projects.
408
00:15:57,826 --> 00:15:59,386
♪
409
00:15:59,523 --> 00:16:02,573
Without the FHA,
there is no Fred Trump.
410
00:16:02,700 --> 00:16:04,400
- From the beginning
of the FHA
411
00:16:04,528 --> 00:16:06,488
until the end
of the 1930s,
412
00:16:06,617 --> 00:16:08,527
he built thousands of homes.
413
00:16:08,663 --> 00:16:10,533
He was touted
as the Henry Ford
414
00:16:10,665 --> 00:16:13,755
of home-building
at one point,
415
00:16:13,885 --> 00:16:16,105
because he had figured out
how to do this
416
00:16:16,236 --> 00:16:17,586
as economically as possible.
417
00:16:17,715 --> 00:16:24,765
♪
418
00:16:25,549 --> 00:16:27,199
- Donald Trump grew up
in a part of Queens
419
00:16:27,334 --> 00:16:29,424
called Jamaica Estates,
420
00:16:29,553 --> 00:16:31,603
which is not
what we generally think of
421
00:16:31,729 --> 00:16:33,299
when we think of the boroughs
in New York City.
422
00:16:33,427 --> 00:16:34,597
♪
423
00:16:34,732 --> 00:16:36,602
- Donald's house,
424
00:16:36,734 --> 00:16:38,694
the first time I saw it
in Jamaica Estates,
425
00:16:38,823 --> 00:16:40,303
was huge.
426
00:16:40,434 --> 00:16:42,524
♪
427
00:16:42,653 --> 00:16:47,573
It had six giant, white,
two-story pillars,
428
00:16:47,702 --> 00:16:51,272
and had
an under-the-house garage.
429
00:16:51,401 --> 00:16:53,711
- 23 rooms
430
00:16:53,838 --> 00:16:58,408
and even a kind
of coat of arms over the doo.
431
00:16:58,539 --> 00:17:01,319
- I was incredibly blown away.
432
00:17:01,455 --> 00:17:02,845
Today, I could say
433
00:17:02,978 --> 00:17:04,108
it was a mega-mansion.
434
00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:09,550
♪
435
00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:11,250
- Donald Trump is the middle
of three boys
436
00:17:11,377 --> 00:17:13,597
in a family of five children,
437
00:17:13,728 --> 00:17:16,078
and his older brother, Freddy,
438
00:17:16,209 --> 00:17:18,339
was kind of his hero.
439
00:17:18,472 --> 00:17:19,862
He was the sibling
that Donald Trump
440
00:17:19,994 --> 00:17:22,354
looked up to the most.
441
00:17:22,476 --> 00:17:24,256
- He was such
an amazing guy,
442
00:17:24,391 --> 00:17:25,701
and the best personality,
443
00:17:25,827 --> 00:17:28,567
best-looking guy
you'll ever see, and...
444
00:17:28,699 --> 00:17:30,879
he was smart.
- Yeah.
445
00:17:31,006 --> 00:17:32,046
- He had everything,
but he was
446
00:17:32,181 --> 00:17:34,661
a very handsome guy.
447
00:17:34,792 --> 00:17:38,412
- He was a guy
with a great sense of humor,
448
00:17:38,535 --> 00:17:40,795
always fun to be around.
449
00:17:40,929 --> 00:17:44,799
♪
450
00:17:44,933 --> 00:17:48,023
We went
to the Trump house often,
451
00:17:48,154 --> 00:17:51,334
but we never went
through the front door.
452
00:17:51,461 --> 00:17:52,681
We always went
through the garage,
453
00:17:52,810 --> 00:17:54,460
because Mr. Trump
454
00:17:54,595 --> 00:17:57,725
would rather not
have us around.
455
00:17:57,859 --> 00:18:01,299
I think he just thought
that, uh,
456
00:18:01,428 --> 00:18:03,868
Fred was wasting his time
with friends
457
00:18:03,995 --> 00:18:06,555
and should be doing
more serious things.
458
00:18:06,694 --> 00:18:09,004
♪
459
00:18:09,131 --> 00:18:11,661
- In the 1950s, the Trumps
are one
460
00:18:11,786 --> 00:18:14,616
of the wealthiest families
in America.
461
00:18:14,745 --> 00:18:17,305
Fred Sr. set the standard,
462
00:18:17,444 --> 00:18:18,794
set the expectations,
463
00:18:18,923 --> 00:18:20,753
and they were very high.
464
00:18:20,882 --> 00:18:23,322
This was not a
"let's go out in the backyard
465
00:18:23,450 --> 00:18:25,100
and play catch" kind of dad.
466
00:18:25,234 --> 00:18:27,504
This was a "do as I say,"
467
00:18:27,628 --> 00:18:30,758
tough, old-fashioned father.
468
00:18:30,892 --> 00:18:33,292
Donald Trump was taught
469
00:18:33,416 --> 00:18:35,376
that life is a competition.
470
00:18:35,505 --> 00:18:38,115
You must win.
You must be tough.
471
00:18:38,247 --> 00:18:39,637
♪
472
00:18:39,770 --> 00:18:41,290
- Fred Trump saw the world
473
00:18:41,424 --> 00:18:43,254
as one of winners and losers,
474
00:18:43,383 --> 00:18:45,733
a very binary approach
to life,
475
00:18:45,863 --> 00:18:47,953
and he impressed
upon his children
476
00:18:48,083 --> 00:18:50,693
the idea that they simply had
to be winners.
477
00:18:50,825 --> 00:18:54,255
- His father was a brutal man.
478
00:18:54,394 --> 00:18:56,534
I think that Donald
479
00:18:56,657 --> 00:18:59,177
got used to being treated
480
00:18:59,312 --> 00:19:01,532
in a totally businesslike
481
00:19:01,662 --> 00:19:03,102
and transactional way.
482
00:19:03,229 --> 00:19:04,399
He himself describes
483
00:19:04,534 --> 00:19:06,104
the relationship
with his father
484
00:19:06,232 --> 00:19:07,192
as businesslike.
485
00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:08,500
- To the boys, he says,
486
00:19:08,625 --> 00:19:10,495
"You are killers
and you are kings."
487
00:19:10,627 --> 00:19:12,717
♪
488
00:19:12,847 --> 00:19:16,197
Fred means
"kings by divine right."
489
00:19:16,329 --> 00:19:19,509
There is a sense
in the Trump family
490
00:19:19,636 --> 00:19:23,636
that we are
genetically superior.
491
00:19:23,771 --> 00:19:25,691
- I think you have
a natural ability
492
00:19:25,816 --> 00:19:27,506
at things.
I'm a big believer in--in--
493
00:19:27,644 --> 00:19:30,304
- Nature.
- No, n-not nature.
494
00:19:30,430 --> 00:19:31,870
I'm a big believer
in natural ability.
495
00:19:31,996 --> 00:19:33,736
Genetically, some people
496
00:19:33,868 --> 00:19:36,438
can handle pressure
better than others.
497
00:19:36,566 --> 00:19:39,306
I knew numerous people
that committed suicide.
498
00:19:39,439 --> 00:19:41,439
So the one thing
I learned about myself,
499
00:19:41,571 --> 00:19:44,311
uh, is that I have
a very unique ability
500
00:19:44,444 --> 00:19:46,664
to handle pressure.
Honestly, in my opinion,
501
00:19:46,794 --> 00:19:49,624
that's a genetic thing.
People don't know about me--
502
00:19:49,753 --> 00:19:51,543
I have very low
blood pressure.
503
00:19:51,668 --> 00:19:52,968
I have the blood pressure
of a great athlete.
504
00:19:53,104 --> 00:19:55,634
I have very low
blood pressure.
505
00:19:55,759 --> 00:19:57,199
♪
506
00:19:57,326 --> 00:19:59,756
- There is a real belief
507
00:19:59,894 --> 00:20:03,204
that Trumps are destined
to rule,
508
00:20:03,332 --> 00:20:05,552
and they got the message,
509
00:20:05,682 --> 00:20:08,212
and the message was that
you were supposed to prevail
510
00:20:08,337 --> 00:20:09,727
at all costs.
511
00:20:09,860 --> 00:20:11,730
♪
512
00:20:11,862 --> 00:20:14,002
- Fred Trump, Jr. would talk
513
00:20:14,125 --> 00:20:16,905
about wanting to go
into the family business
514
00:20:17,041 --> 00:20:19,871
because of his admiration
for his father,
515
00:20:20,001 --> 00:20:22,741
and was very, very clear
516
00:20:22,873 --> 00:20:27,623
that he wanted to be
the next head of the company.
517
00:20:27,748 --> 00:20:29,708
- Donald was not the young man
518
00:20:29,837 --> 00:20:31,447
destined to fulfill
519
00:20:31,578 --> 00:20:34,618
the job of running
the Trump Organization.
520
00:20:34,755 --> 00:20:37,795
- But he refused
to be ignored.
521
00:20:37,932 --> 00:20:39,852
He was the kid that the family
522
00:20:39,977 --> 00:20:41,847
had to pay attention to,
523
00:20:41,979 --> 00:20:44,499
if only because he was
an enormous discipline problem.
524
00:20:44,634 --> 00:20:47,554
♪
525
00:20:47,681 --> 00:20:49,731
- Donald and I
were cutups in school.
526
00:20:49,857 --> 00:20:52,337
We used to throw spitballs
at each other
527
00:20:52,468 --> 00:20:55,598
and play bumper chairs
in class,
528
00:20:55,732 --> 00:20:57,952
pull girls' hair,
529
00:20:58,082 --> 00:21:00,692
and that's how come
we got detentions,
530
00:21:00,824 --> 00:21:02,834
which I politely nicknamed
531
00:21:02,957 --> 00:21:04,697
as DTs--
532
00:21:04,828 --> 00:21:07,398
detentions for Donny Trump.
533
00:21:07,527 --> 00:21:10,917
- He was someone who, uh,
acted out at school.
534
00:21:11,052 --> 00:21:13,102
- Birthday parties,
he would grab the cake
535
00:21:13,228 --> 00:21:14,398
and throw it around.
536
00:21:14,534 --> 00:21:16,884
- He was angry.
He would glue
537
00:21:17,014 --> 00:21:19,584
his brothers'
and sisters' blocks together.
538
00:21:19,713 --> 00:21:22,503
- He was disliked
by many of his teachers.
539
00:21:22,629 --> 00:21:24,109
- Threw erasers around,
540
00:21:24,239 --> 00:21:26,459
actually hit his teacher
under the eye with one.
541
00:21:26,589 --> 00:21:29,459
- He took pride in being, uh,
this tough guy
542
00:21:29,592 --> 00:21:31,422
who pushed back
against other kids,
543
00:21:31,551 --> 00:21:32,941
or against teachers
who would try to tell him
544
00:21:33,074 --> 00:21:34,214
what to do.
545
00:21:34,336 --> 00:21:36,336
♪
546
00:21:36,469 --> 00:21:38,379
- He was, in short,
547
00:21:38,514 --> 00:21:39,604
a terror.
548
00:21:39,733 --> 00:21:41,693
♪
549
00:21:41,822 --> 00:21:43,742
- I was a very, um,
rebellious kind of person.
550
00:21:43,867 --> 00:21:45,957
I don't like to talk
about it, actually,
551
00:21:46,087 --> 00:21:47,777
but I was
a very rebellious person,
552
00:21:47,915 --> 00:21:51,695
and, um,
very set in my ways.
553
00:21:51,832 --> 00:21:53,532
- I don't like that guy.
554
00:21:53,660 --> 00:21:54,660
♪
555
00:21:54,791 --> 00:21:56,231
- Loved to fight.
556
00:21:56,358 --> 00:21:57,838
I always loved to fight.
557
00:21:57,968 --> 00:21:59,408
All types of fights.
558
00:21:59,535 --> 00:22:00,705
Any kind of fight,
I loved it,
559
00:22:00,841 --> 00:22:02,581
including physical,
560
00:22:02,712 --> 00:22:04,322
and I was always
the best athlete,
561
00:22:04,453 --> 00:22:05,723
some--something
that nobody knew about me.
562
00:22:05,846 --> 00:22:07,536
♪
563
00:22:07,674 --> 00:22:08,984
- Okay, throw the ball.
564
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:11,160
- During this period,
"West Side Story"
565
00:22:11,286 --> 00:22:12,806
was big on Broadway,
566
00:22:12,940 --> 00:22:14,460
and was soon
to become a movie.
567
00:22:14,594 --> 00:22:16,074
- All right!
568
00:22:16,204 --> 00:22:20,954
♪
569
00:22:21,078 --> 00:22:22,988
- The Sharks and the Jets
570
00:22:23,124 --> 00:22:26,874
were in the imaginations
of kids in New York City.
571
00:22:26,997 --> 00:22:28,557
- As Donald tells the story,
572
00:22:28,695 --> 00:22:31,175
after he had seen
"West Side Story,"
573
00:22:31,306 --> 00:22:33,346
he and his buddy
574
00:22:33,482 --> 00:22:34,612
bought themselves
some switchblades.
575
00:22:34,744 --> 00:22:36,314
♪
576
00:22:36,442 --> 00:22:38,272
- Donald wants everyone
to believe
577
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,010
that he's a tough guy.
578
00:22:40,141 --> 00:22:42,401
He promoted this image
of himself.
579
00:22:42,535 --> 00:22:44,095
"I'm gonna play with knives.
580
00:22:44,232 --> 00:22:46,842
I'm gonna do things
that nobody else does."
581
00:22:46,974 --> 00:22:49,414
He was impossible to control.
582
00:22:49,542 --> 00:22:51,672
♪
583
00:22:51,805 --> 00:22:53,885
- Then his dad
found the switchblades,
584
00:22:54,024 --> 00:22:55,554
and that was the last straw.
585
00:22:55,678 --> 00:22:57,378
♪
586
00:22:57,506 --> 00:23:00,986
- Fred Trump was a man
who kept score.
587
00:23:01,118 --> 00:23:03,818
He kept score
every time the school called,
588
00:23:03,947 --> 00:23:06,427
every time a letter came home,
589
00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:08,389
every time
he found something--
590
00:23:08,517 --> 00:23:11,257
the knife collection
that Donald acquires.
591
00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:13,570
He saw it
as a reflection on him.
592
00:23:13,696 --> 00:23:14,826
♪
593
00:23:14,958 --> 00:23:16,178
Something must be done
594
00:23:16,307 --> 00:23:17,567
about it,
595
00:23:17,700 --> 00:23:18,960
and his solution
596
00:23:19,093 --> 00:23:20,833
was going to be extreme.
597
00:23:20,964 --> 00:23:26,974
♪
598
00:23:27,101 --> 00:23:31,451
♪
599
00:23:31,584 --> 00:23:34,414
- At the end of seventh grad,
I went away to camp.
600
00:23:34,543 --> 00:23:37,333
Donald went away to do
whatever Donald did,
601
00:23:37,459 --> 00:23:39,589
and when I came back
in September
602
00:23:39,722 --> 00:23:42,292
with all my friends,
I noticed a seat
603
00:23:42,421 --> 00:23:44,511
in homeroom
that was not occupied
604
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,510
where Donald usually sat,
605
00:23:46,642 --> 00:23:48,562
and I asked
the homeroom teacher,
606
00:23:48,688 --> 00:23:50,038
"Where's Donnie?"
607
00:23:50,167 --> 00:23:53,687
♪
608
00:23:53,823 --> 00:23:55,703
- Against his will,
Donald Trump
609
00:23:55,825 --> 00:23:58,045
is sent to military school
by his father.
610
00:23:58,175 --> 00:23:59,735
In 1959,
611
00:23:59,873 --> 00:24:01,703
he arrives
at New York Military Academy
612
00:24:01,831 --> 00:24:04,091
about an hour north
of New York City.
613
00:24:04,225 --> 00:24:06,355
He's 13 years old.
614
00:24:06,488 --> 00:24:08,318
- I think that had to be
615
00:24:08,447 --> 00:24:10,487
the most miserable existence
616
00:24:10,623 --> 00:24:12,413
Donald Trump could imagine
for himself.
617
00:24:12,538 --> 00:24:13,838
- He has to wear a uniform.
618
00:24:13,974 --> 00:24:15,324
He no longer is driven around
619
00:24:15,454 --> 00:24:17,284
by the family chauffeur.
620
00:24:17,412 --> 00:24:19,152
He is in the dorms
with everyone else,
621
00:24:19,283 --> 00:24:21,203
in the barracks.
622
00:24:21,329 --> 00:24:25,249
♪
623
00:24:25,376 --> 00:24:28,856
- When I got here, it was
"Hello. Good morning.
624
00:24:28,989 --> 00:24:32,079
Now you're in military school,
and your life has changed."
625
00:24:32,209 --> 00:24:33,519
- All these normal things
that go on
626
00:24:33,646 --> 00:24:35,336
in a normal kid's life--
627
00:24:35,474 --> 00:24:38,044
they came
to a screeching halt.
628
00:24:38,172 --> 00:24:41,832
- Your first year, you were
the low man on the totem pole,
629
00:24:41,958 --> 00:24:44,918
and you're responsible
for learning new guy rules.
630
00:24:45,048 --> 00:24:46,348
There was mental hazing.
631
00:24:46,485 --> 00:24:48,135
There was physical hazing,
632
00:24:48,269 --> 00:24:50,099
You had to throw yourself
against a wall
633
00:24:50,227 --> 00:24:51,657
if an upperclassman
came by
634
00:24:51,794 --> 00:24:54,284
and, you know, apologize
for being in his way.
635
00:24:54,405 --> 00:24:57,185
You might get, uh,
a forearm to the chest.
636
00:24:57,321 --> 00:24:58,761
You might get paddled.
637
00:24:58,888 --> 00:25:00,458
You might get hit
with a broomstick,
638
00:25:00,586 --> 00:25:02,016
a couple of right hooks
on your shoulder,
639
00:25:02,152 --> 00:25:03,502
two or three upperclassmen
640
00:25:03,632 --> 00:25:05,332
screaming in your face
for 15 minutes.
641
00:25:05,460 --> 00:25:07,110
- Before you know it,
you're beat up.
642
00:25:07,244 --> 00:25:11,384
♪
643
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:13,160
- Donald went
through new guy rules
644
00:25:13,294 --> 00:25:15,384
with Major Ted Dobias.
645
00:25:15,514 --> 00:25:18,134
This is a tough guy.
646
00:25:18,255 --> 00:25:21,215
- He was part of
the Allied invasion of Italy,
647
00:25:21,345 --> 00:25:22,605
and at the end of the war,
648
00:25:22,738 --> 00:25:26,048
saw Mussolini
swinging from a noose.
649
00:25:26,176 --> 00:25:28,476
- They used to come here.
They were
650
00:25:28,614 --> 00:25:31,274
flunkies--
they call them flunkies--
651
00:25:31,399 --> 00:25:34,229
and they grew up
to be somebody.
652
00:25:34,358 --> 00:25:36,228
♪
653
00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:39,020
- Donald ran up
against Major Dobias
654
00:25:39,146 --> 00:25:41,536
like running into
a stone wall.
655
00:25:41,670 --> 00:25:44,240
It's not flexible,
656
00:25:44,368 --> 00:25:47,718
and if Major Dobias
would see an attitude,
657
00:25:47,850 --> 00:25:52,120
that attitude ended
very, very quickly.
658
00:25:52,246 --> 00:25:53,596
- He was a rough guy,
659
00:25:53,726 --> 00:25:56,286
physically rough
and mentally rough.
660
00:25:56,424 --> 00:25:58,304
In those days, they'd smack
the hell out of you,
661
00:25:58,426 --> 00:25:59,596
really getting in your face,
662
00:25:59,732 --> 00:26:01,652
I mean, like, big-league.
663
00:26:01,777 --> 00:26:05,607
He said things like
"Stand up,"
664
00:26:05,738 --> 00:26:07,258
and I'm going, "Heh,
665
00:26:07,391 --> 00:26:09,001
give me a [bleep] break."
666
00:26:09,132 --> 00:26:10,442
- [laughs]
- And this guy came at me--
667
00:26:10,569 --> 00:26:12,219
you would never believe it.
668
00:26:12,353 --> 00:26:14,533
These were guys
that didn't take [bleep].
669
00:26:14,660 --> 00:26:16,100
♪
670
00:26:16,226 --> 00:26:17,396
You could go two ways:
671
00:26:17,532 --> 00:26:18,622
you can fight the system.
672
00:26:18,751 --> 00:26:20,621
You're not gonna win,
673
00:26:20,753 --> 00:26:22,283
'cause you're not gonna beat
guys like this.
674
00:26:22,406 --> 00:26:24,446
- Right.
- Or you can acclimate
675
00:26:24,583 --> 00:26:25,983
and deal with the system
676
00:26:26,106 --> 00:26:28,196
and evolve in the system,
677
00:26:28,325 --> 00:26:30,015
and I did that.
678
00:26:30,153 --> 00:26:34,203
♪
679
00:26:34,331 --> 00:26:37,251
- Theodore Dobias
was a taskmaster
680
00:26:37,378 --> 00:26:39,208
far beyond anything
681
00:26:39,336 --> 00:26:41,156
that Donald had seen
from Fred Trump,
682
00:26:41,295 --> 00:26:44,295
and yet, he kind of takes
to it.
683
00:26:44,428 --> 00:26:47,208
He liked the discipline.
He enjoys the hierarchy.
684
00:26:47,344 --> 00:26:49,094
He didn't like
being bossed around--
685
00:26:49,216 --> 00:26:50,166
he never had--
686
00:26:50,304 --> 00:26:51,614
but he liked the idea
687
00:26:51,740 --> 00:26:53,260
that the kids who were on
the receiving end
688
00:26:53,394 --> 00:26:54,664
of all of that aggression
689
00:26:54,787 --> 00:26:56,527
would, in fairly short order,
690
00:26:56,658 --> 00:26:59,268
get to deliver it themselves.
691
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,620
- For Donald, the idea
was to play the game
692
00:27:02,751 --> 00:27:04,841
and win the game,
turn around,
693
00:27:04,971 --> 00:27:07,191
and set the terms yourself.
694
00:27:07,321 --> 00:27:10,321
He literally bowed
and scraped
695
00:27:10,454 --> 00:27:12,334
before Ted Dobias
696
00:27:12,456 --> 00:27:13,976
in order to win his favor,
697
00:27:14,110 --> 00:27:15,940
and he discovered
that it worked.
698
00:27:16,069 --> 00:27:18,159
♪
699
00:27:18,288 --> 00:27:21,418
It was Donald
who wound up an officer.
700
00:27:21,552 --> 00:27:23,342
♪
701
00:27:23,467 --> 00:27:25,117
- You know, I went in there
as a wise guy.
702
00:27:25,252 --> 00:27:26,692
- You were little.
You were 13 years old.
703
00:27:26,819 --> 00:27:29,259
- 13, but I went in
as a wise guy
704
00:27:29,386 --> 00:27:33,126
that... was
a little difficult.
705
00:27:33,260 --> 00:27:35,040
By the time I graduated,
I was, like,
706
00:27:35,175 --> 00:27:36,955
top of the military heap.
707
00:27:37,090 --> 00:27:40,140
♪
708
00:27:40,267 --> 00:27:41,957
- Every year,
709
00:27:42,095 --> 00:27:44,395
we would send
a certain number of cadets
710
00:27:44,532 --> 00:27:47,232
down to New York to march
in the Columbus Day parade.
711
00:27:47,361 --> 00:27:53,021
♪
712
00:27:53,149 --> 00:27:54,539
- So on Columbus Day, 1963,
713
00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:57,073
Donald Trump led the parade.
714
00:27:57,197 --> 00:28:00,497
♪
715
00:28:00,635 --> 00:28:03,545
- In Trump's mind,
this return to the city
716
00:28:03,682 --> 00:28:05,862
and having, clearly,
a position of authority--
717
00:28:05,988 --> 00:28:08,298
this is a bit of a retort
to his father
718
00:28:08,425 --> 00:28:09,555
and a chance to say
to his father,
719
00:28:09,688 --> 00:28:12,038
"Look what I've become.
720
00:28:12,168 --> 00:28:14,208
"You thought that you needed
to send me away
721
00:28:14,344 --> 00:28:16,524
"because I wasn't heading
down the right road.
722
00:28:16,651 --> 00:28:19,181
"Look what I've become.
Look what I can do.
723
00:28:19,306 --> 00:28:21,216
"Look how I can lead.
Look how I can be that winner
724
00:28:21,351 --> 00:28:22,481
that you demanded."
725
00:28:22,613 --> 00:28:24,183
♪
726
00:28:24,311 --> 00:28:26,231
It was a way of taking
that step
727
00:28:26,356 --> 00:28:28,096
into Manhattan, of going
where his father
728
00:28:28,228 --> 00:28:30,268
would not go,
729
00:28:30,404 --> 00:28:32,104
and he was determined
to show
730
00:28:32,232 --> 00:28:34,322
that he could take
the family and its legacy
731
00:28:34,451 --> 00:28:36,281
to a new, tougher,
higher place.
732
00:28:36,410 --> 00:28:38,190
♪
733
00:28:38,325 --> 00:28:40,195
- One of the tactical offices
at the time
734
00:28:40,327 --> 00:28:43,977
was a man named Colonel
Anthony "Ace" Castellano.
735
00:28:44,113 --> 00:28:46,123
As they were walking
up the street,
736
00:28:46,246 --> 00:28:48,066
Donald looked over,
737
00:28:48,204 --> 00:28:50,214
and he goes, "You know, Ace,
I'd really like to own
738
00:28:50,337 --> 00:28:51,467
some of this property someday."
739
00:28:51,599 --> 00:29:00,089
♪
740
00:29:00,216 --> 00:29:02,736
- My father was
a very good builder...
741
00:29:02,871 --> 00:29:04,531
- Mm-hmm.
742
00:29:04,655 --> 00:29:05,785
- And he really did
a good job.
743
00:29:05,918 --> 00:29:07,528
He would build a building,
744
00:29:07,658 --> 00:29:09,178
and next door,
they'd build a building,
745
00:29:09,312 --> 00:29:11,312
and my father's houses
were better...
746
00:29:11,445 --> 00:29:12,525
♪
747
00:29:12,663 --> 00:29:14,623
And he'd build them cheaper,
748
00:29:14,753 --> 00:29:17,493
so he'd spend less money
building a better house,
749
00:29:17,625 --> 00:29:20,015
and he'd sell it for more.
750
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:23,019
♪
751
00:29:23,152 --> 00:29:24,942
- In the mid-1960s,
752
00:29:25,067 --> 00:29:27,677
Fred Trump starts to think
at this point,
753
00:29:27,809 --> 00:29:29,509
about moving beyond
754
00:29:29,637 --> 00:29:32,117
more modestly-sized projects
755
00:29:32,248 --> 00:29:34,638
and build on a scale
756
00:29:34,773 --> 00:29:36,993
unlike anything Fred Trump
has built before,
757
00:29:37,123 --> 00:29:38,603
named Trump Village.
758
00:29:38,733 --> 00:29:42,783
♪
759
00:29:42,911 --> 00:29:43,781
- Wait a minute,
wait a minute, wait a minute.
760
00:29:43,912 --> 00:29:45,222
Wait a minute.
Hold it.
761
00:29:45,348 --> 00:29:47,128
Trump Village,
a middle-income co-op
762
00:29:47,263 --> 00:29:49,743
in Coney Island,
housing 2,800 families.
763
00:29:49,875 --> 00:29:53,175
♪
764
00:29:53,313 --> 00:29:54,843
- Trump Village Apartments.
765
00:29:54,967 --> 00:29:56,707
How do you get in here?
766
00:29:56,838 --> 00:29:58,838
- [indistinct] Move it.
- Is it worth waiting?
767
00:29:58,971 --> 00:30:00,491
- Yes.
My mother lives
768
00:30:00,624 --> 00:30:02,284
in a terrible apartment.
769
00:30:02,409 --> 00:30:03,629
- They say it will take
six or seven years,
770
00:30:03,758 --> 00:30:04,848
or maybe eight.
771
00:30:04,977 --> 00:30:08,147
- Well, I'll take that chance.
772
00:30:08,284 --> 00:30:10,684
- This is a project
that ends up
773
00:30:10,809 --> 00:30:12,989
being far greater in scope
774
00:30:13,115 --> 00:30:14,725
than anything
he's done before.
775
00:30:14,856 --> 00:30:16,546
His previous projects--
776
00:30:16,684 --> 00:30:19,824
the buildings were, at most,
five, six stories,
777
00:30:19,948 --> 00:30:22,468
and here, he really sets
his sights much higher,
778
00:30:22,603 --> 00:30:23,563
literally...
779
00:30:23,691 --> 00:30:24,911
♪
780
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,170
And it's also the first time
781
00:30:27,303 --> 00:30:28,443
that Fred Trump
782
00:30:28,565 --> 00:30:30,045
labels a project
783
00:30:30,176 --> 00:30:31,956
clearly with the family name.
784
00:30:32,091 --> 00:30:33,611
♪
785
00:30:33,744 --> 00:30:34,884
- Trump Village would emerge
786
00:30:35,007 --> 00:30:36,567
as one of Fred Trump's
787
00:30:36,704 --> 00:30:39,584
greatest public successes,
788
00:30:39,707 --> 00:30:40,967
but ironically,
789
00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:42,670
it also was gonna be
the source
790
00:30:42,797 --> 00:30:44,837
of one of his greatest
public humiliations.
791
00:30:44,973 --> 00:30:47,113
♪
792
00:30:47,236 --> 00:30:48,886
In 1966,
793
00:30:49,021 --> 00:30:50,891
New York State began probing
794
00:30:51,023 --> 00:30:53,853
into what was going on
at Trump Village.
795
00:30:53,982 --> 00:30:56,202
- Fred Trump is hauled in
for questioning
796
00:30:56,332 --> 00:30:58,162
for misusing funds,
797
00:30:58,291 --> 00:30:59,901
over-billing the government
798
00:31:00,032 --> 00:31:01,512
for equipment, for services,
799
00:31:01,642 --> 00:31:04,912
related to Trump Village.
800
00:31:05,037 --> 00:31:07,167
- It includes him
charging the state
801
00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:10,430
about $8,000 apiece
for tile scrapers
802
00:31:10,564 --> 00:31:12,354
that normally cost $500.
803
00:31:12,479 --> 00:31:13,519
♪
804
00:31:13,654 --> 00:31:14,704
More glaringly,
805
00:31:14,829 --> 00:31:17,089
he overcharges the state
806
00:31:17,223 --> 00:31:21,013
for about $6.6 million in fees.
807
00:31:21,140 --> 00:31:23,790
The net result
is it's very clear
808
00:31:23,925 --> 00:31:26,225
Fred Trump is gouging
809
00:31:26,362 --> 00:31:27,712
the state of New York
810
00:31:27,842 --> 00:31:29,062
and New York residents
811
00:31:29,191 --> 00:31:30,671
to line his own pockets.
812
00:31:30,801 --> 00:31:32,801
One of the commissioners
finally says,
813
00:31:32,934 --> 00:31:34,814
"Is there any way
814
00:31:34,936 --> 00:31:37,066
"we can prevent
someone like this
815
00:31:37,199 --> 00:31:39,849
from ever getting
a state contract again?"
816
00:31:39,985 --> 00:31:47,115
♪
817
00:31:47,253 --> 00:31:50,003
- Here he is,
the patriarch of the family,
818
00:31:50,125 --> 00:31:52,125
somebody they looked up to.
819
00:31:52,258 --> 00:31:55,828
To have him being
publicly called out like that
820
00:31:55,957 --> 00:31:58,827
was extremely embarrassing
to them.
821
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,050
- Neighbors, schoolmates--
822
00:32:01,180 --> 00:32:02,790
people were asking questions,
823
00:32:02,921 --> 00:32:04,181
that they were seen
824
00:32:04,313 --> 00:32:07,143
as unpatriotic,
possibly criminal.
825
00:32:07,273 --> 00:32:10,933
- The 1966 state investigation
826
00:32:11,059 --> 00:32:12,799
really had a--
827
00:32:12,931 --> 00:32:14,981
I would say
a devastating impact
828
00:32:15,107 --> 00:32:16,537
on Fred Trump.
829
00:32:16,673 --> 00:32:18,023
♪
830
00:32:18,153 --> 00:32:19,813
Trump Village
really becomes
831
00:32:19,938 --> 00:32:21,418
the last significant project
832
00:32:21,548 --> 00:32:22,548
that he builds.
833
00:32:22,679 --> 00:32:24,809
♪
834
00:32:24,943 --> 00:32:27,953
- Fred spent three decades
building his company,
835
00:32:28,076 --> 00:32:30,116
and he was now looking
for an heir
836
00:32:30,252 --> 00:32:31,782
who he felt was worthy
837
00:32:31,906 --> 00:32:33,036
of inheriting that mantle
838
00:32:33,168 --> 00:32:35,908
and moving the company forward,
839
00:32:36,041 --> 00:32:37,831
but when Donald
graduates from college,
840
00:32:37,956 --> 00:32:39,996
the expectation is that
he's gonna join
841
00:32:40,132 --> 00:32:41,222
the family business
842
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:42,870
to work first for his father,
843
00:32:43,004 --> 00:32:44,184
and then, eventually,
844
00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:45,880
for his brother Fred,
845
00:32:46,007 --> 00:32:47,397
who is considered
the heir apparent.
846
00:32:47,530 --> 00:32:48,970
♪
847
00:32:49,097 --> 00:32:50,007
- I think
that what Fred expected
848
00:32:50,142 --> 00:32:51,712
of Fred Jr.
849
00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:52,799
was something,
that it was--
850
00:32:52,927 --> 00:32:54,187
it was almost a, um--
851
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:55,670
a classical king's approach
852
00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:56,889
to raising sons.
853
00:32:57,018 --> 00:32:58,848
"If this son is worthy of me,
854
00:32:58,977 --> 00:33:00,757
he can rise to the throne."
855
00:33:00,891 --> 00:33:02,551
Uh, not every son
is going to thrive
856
00:33:02,676 --> 00:33:03,586
in that kind of environment.
857
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,160
♪
858
00:33:06,288 --> 00:33:08,808
- There was a nervous quality
about Fred.
859
00:33:08,943 --> 00:33:10,513
♪
860
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:11,640
He was always on.
861
00:33:11,772 --> 00:33:13,212
♪
862
00:33:13,339 --> 00:33:15,819
I wondered,
in retrospect,
863
00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:20,000
whether some
of his anxiety
864
00:33:20,128 --> 00:33:22,698
was, uh, caused
865
00:33:22,826 --> 00:33:24,046
by the constant pressure
866
00:33:24,176 --> 00:33:26,566
of trying to please his father.
867
00:33:26,700 --> 00:33:28,270
- The point of no return
868
00:33:28,397 --> 00:33:29,957
in his relationship
with his father
869
00:33:30,095 --> 00:33:32,045
was the attempted development
870
00:33:32,184 --> 00:33:33,844
of property in Coney Island.
871
00:33:33,968 --> 00:33:38,098
♪
872
00:33:38,233 --> 00:33:40,713
- I remember Steeplechase
vividly.
873
00:33:40,844 --> 00:33:43,894
It had a--a face
with a big smile,
874
00:33:44,022 --> 00:33:45,852
with lots of teeth showing.
875
00:33:45,980 --> 00:33:47,460
It was a happy place.
876
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:49,720
It was a playground,
877
00:33:49,853 --> 00:33:51,163
and it was a reminder
878
00:33:51,290 --> 00:33:53,030
that Coney Island
was this haven
879
00:33:53,161 --> 00:33:54,951
for people in New York.
880
00:33:55,076 --> 00:33:57,686
Off the subways came streamig
a million people
881
00:33:57,818 --> 00:33:59,208
on a weekend.
882
00:33:59,341 --> 00:34:01,521
A million people
coming to Coney Island,
883
00:34:01,648 --> 00:34:02,998
and many of them were coming
to Steeplechase.
884
00:34:03,128 --> 00:34:05,698
♪
885
00:34:05,826 --> 00:34:07,436
- By the '60s,
886
00:34:07,567 --> 00:34:10,217
Coney Island is in decline,
887
00:34:10,351 --> 00:34:13,921
so Fred Trump buys
the Steeplechase very quickl,
888
00:34:14,052 --> 00:34:15,972
largely under the radar
889
00:34:16,097 --> 00:34:18,447
of the folks in Coney Island.
890
00:34:18,578 --> 00:34:21,668
He wants
to build housing there.
891
00:34:21,797 --> 00:34:24,537
Problem is, Fred Trump
fails to get
892
00:34:24,670 --> 00:34:26,240
the necessary zoning change
893
00:34:26,368 --> 00:34:28,628
that would enable him
to build this housing.
894
00:34:28,762 --> 00:34:30,942
♪
895
00:34:31,069 --> 00:34:32,549
The business community
896
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:34,289
in Coney Island
897
00:34:34,420 --> 00:34:38,990
is desperate to have
Steeplechase preserved.
898
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,950
Fred Trump knew
that if it got landmarked,
899
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,690
uh, there was nothing much more
he could do with the site.
900
00:34:44,821 --> 00:34:46,781
♪
901
00:34:46,909 --> 00:34:50,519
- Fred got Fred Jr. involved
in accelerating
902
00:34:50,652 --> 00:34:53,002
their demolition
of this property
903
00:34:53,134 --> 00:34:55,754
before they had permission
to build on it.
904
00:34:55,876 --> 00:34:58,836
Fred Jr. is trying his hardest
905
00:34:58,966 --> 00:35:00,486
to work with his father
906
00:35:00,620 --> 00:35:01,840
to demonstrate that he's
907
00:35:01,969 --> 00:35:03,879
as tough and as smart
908
00:35:04,014 --> 00:35:05,414
as his father.
909
00:35:05,538 --> 00:35:06,838
♪
910
00:35:06,974 --> 00:35:08,934
- So Fred Trump organizes
911
00:35:09,063 --> 00:35:11,113
a wrecking party of sorts...
912
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,629
- To celebrate
the development of apartments
913
00:35:13,763 --> 00:35:15,243
along the seashore
914
00:35:15,374 --> 00:35:18,204
and the success
of the Trump Organization.
915
00:35:18,333 --> 00:35:20,683
- Invites all these people
to come
916
00:35:20,814 --> 00:35:22,604
and basically hurl bricks
917
00:35:22,729 --> 00:35:25,469
through the great
glass windows,
918
00:35:25,601 --> 00:35:28,691
through the enormous painting
on the glass
919
00:35:28,822 --> 00:35:31,092
of the great smiling face
920
00:35:31,216 --> 00:35:32,566
of Steeplechase.
921
00:35:32,695 --> 00:35:34,865
♪
922
00:35:35,002 --> 00:35:37,002
- The thought that you would
encourage people
923
00:35:37,135 --> 00:35:39,215
to throw bricks,
to destroy that smile,
924
00:35:39,354 --> 00:35:41,754
that face that was such
an integral part
925
00:35:41,878 --> 00:35:44,008
of growing up
in Coney Island--
926
00:35:44,142 --> 00:35:45,532
I mean, it's unbelievable.
927
00:35:45,665 --> 00:35:52,585
♪
928
00:35:54,674 --> 00:35:56,814
In the end, it was
a public relations nightmare
929
00:35:56,937 --> 00:35:58,067
for the Trumps.
930
00:35:58,199 --> 00:35:59,679
Fred Jr. could never do
931
00:35:59,809 --> 00:36:00,939
the political work
932
00:36:01,071 --> 00:36:02,901
and the other logistical work
933
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:05,770
that was required
to make the development real,
934
00:36:05,902 --> 00:36:07,772
and the property, even today,
935
00:36:07,904 --> 00:36:10,474
is not the site of any housing.
936
00:36:10,603 --> 00:36:12,953
♪
937
00:36:13,083 --> 00:36:16,173
And after the fiasco
at Steeplechase,
938
00:36:16,304 --> 00:36:19,444
it was clear
to all of the Trumps
939
00:36:19,568 --> 00:36:22,828
that Fred Jr.
was not going to fulfill
940
00:36:22,963 --> 00:36:24,833
his father's expectations.
941
00:36:24,965 --> 00:36:26,485
Early in life,
942
00:36:26,619 --> 00:36:28,359
Donald looked up
to Fred Jr.
943
00:36:28,490 --> 00:36:29,930
as the big brother.
944
00:36:30,057 --> 00:36:32,407
He was a very charming,
945
00:36:32,538 --> 00:36:34,098
very caring young man...
946
00:36:34,235 --> 00:36:35,975
♪
947
00:36:36,106 --> 00:36:39,456
And yet, Donald became
very competitive
948
00:36:39,588 --> 00:36:41,198
with Fred Jr.
949
00:36:41,329 --> 00:36:44,769
and really showed him
no mercy.
950
00:36:44,898 --> 00:36:46,248
♪
951
00:36:46,378 --> 00:36:49,078
- If I were going
to make a movie of this,
952
00:36:49,207 --> 00:36:51,857
I would see a younger brother
953
00:36:51,992 --> 00:36:54,522
trying to get primacy
in a family.
954
00:36:54,647 --> 00:36:57,077
♪
955
00:36:57,215 --> 00:36:58,735
This became
956
00:36:58,868 --> 00:37:00,828
an increasingly terrible
situation.
957
00:37:00,957 --> 00:37:02,657
♪
958
00:37:02,785 --> 00:37:04,735
Fred Trump would belittle
Fred Jr.
959
00:37:04,874 --> 00:37:07,444
In meetings, he would
sadistically attack him,
960
00:37:07,573 --> 00:37:08,793
saying "What do you know?"
961
00:37:08,922 --> 00:37:14,672
♪
962
00:37:14,797 --> 00:37:16,837
- In the early 1970s,
963
00:37:16,973 --> 00:37:20,113
Fred Sr. takes
the fateful move.
964
00:37:20,238 --> 00:37:21,978
He makes Donald president
965
00:37:22,109 --> 00:37:24,939
of the Trump Organization.
966
00:37:25,068 --> 00:37:26,848
What Fred Sr.
is communicating here
967
00:37:26,983 --> 00:37:28,943
is unmistakable.
968
00:37:29,072 --> 00:37:30,382
Donald has made it.
969
00:37:30,509 --> 00:37:32,639
He is the future.
970
00:37:32,772 --> 00:37:36,082
Fred Jr. has not made it,
971
00:37:36,210 --> 00:37:37,730
and he's never going
to make it.
972
00:37:37,864 --> 00:37:40,084
♪
973
00:37:40,214 --> 00:37:42,134
He had talked so much
974
00:37:42,260 --> 00:37:43,870
about working for his dad
975
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,790
and taking over
the company.
976
00:37:46,916 --> 00:37:48,476
I think that the father
977
00:37:48,614 --> 00:37:50,094
at some point
978
00:37:50,224 --> 00:37:51,754
decided that Fred
979
00:37:51,878 --> 00:37:53,578
was... a loser.
980
00:37:53,706 --> 00:37:55,096
♪
981
00:37:55,229 --> 00:37:57,059
I've gotta believe
982
00:37:57,187 --> 00:37:59,017
that, uh--
983
00:37:59,146 --> 00:38:01,626
uh, Fred took that rejection
984
00:38:01,757 --> 00:38:03,407
very hard.
985
00:38:03,542 --> 00:38:06,632
♪
986
00:38:06,762 --> 00:38:08,982
- Fred essentially drove
his son, Fred Jr.,
987
00:38:09,112 --> 00:38:10,462
out of the family,
988
00:38:10,592 --> 00:38:12,512
and I think Fred ended up,
989
00:38:12,638 --> 00:38:16,118
uh, a lost soul.
990
00:38:16,250 --> 00:38:17,820
- He had his own dream:
991
00:38:17,947 --> 00:38:20,597
to be
a commercial airline pilot.
992
00:38:20,733 --> 00:38:22,823
♪
993
00:38:22,952 --> 00:38:26,522
In the end, Fred left
the Trump Organization
994
00:38:26,652 --> 00:38:28,392
and went off to train
as a pilot.
995
00:38:28,523 --> 00:38:35,573
♪
996
00:38:35,704 --> 00:38:37,754
- He was having
a tremendous hard time,
997
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,190
and he started drinking,
998
00:38:39,317 --> 00:38:40,617
and he got hooked
on alcohol...
999
00:38:40,753 --> 00:38:41,673
♪
1000
00:38:41,797 --> 00:38:43,707
And he became
1001
00:38:43,843 --> 00:38:45,893
a very serious alcoholic,
1002
00:38:46,019 --> 00:38:47,629
and it was rough for him.
1003
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,680
♪
1004
00:38:52,808 --> 00:38:55,508
- I've thought, uh,
1005
00:38:55,637 --> 00:38:58,767
long and hard
about Fred's life,
1006
00:38:58,901 --> 00:39:02,951
and, uh, wonder
how much of a role
1007
00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:07,129
that, uh, rejection
from his father
1008
00:39:07,257 --> 00:39:09,957
may have played in his--
in his sad life.
1009
00:39:10,086 --> 00:39:17,006
♪
1010
00:39:18,704 --> 00:39:21,794
- I like to learn
from other people's mistakes.
1011
00:39:21,924 --> 00:39:23,714
I like to learn
from my mistakes,
1012
00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:25,009
but I like to learn more
1013
00:39:25,145 --> 00:39:26,925
from other people's mistakes,
1014
00:39:27,060 --> 00:39:28,500
because why should I have
to make a mistake
1015
00:39:28,627 --> 00:39:29,627
if I can learn
from somebody else?
1016
00:39:29,758 --> 00:39:31,148
I've learned so many lessons
1017
00:39:31,281 --> 00:39:33,201
by watching other people
make mistakes--
1018
00:39:33,327 --> 00:39:35,157
some fatal
and some not fatal,
1019
00:39:35,285 --> 00:39:37,025
and some not even near-fatal,
1020
00:39:37,157 --> 00:39:39,807
but I study
other people's mistakes.
1021
00:39:39,942 --> 00:39:42,602
♪
1022
00:39:42,728 --> 00:39:43,948
- Fred Jr.
1023
00:39:44,077 --> 00:39:45,857
did not do much of anything
1024
00:39:45,992 --> 00:39:48,172
the way
that his father expected.
1025
00:39:48,298 --> 00:39:50,648
His whole approach to life
1026
00:39:50,779 --> 00:39:53,519
was contrary
to the old man's...
1027
00:39:53,652 --> 00:39:55,572
♪
1028
00:39:55,697 --> 00:39:58,697
And Donald observed
Fred Sr.'s impatience
1029
00:39:58,831 --> 00:40:00,011
with Fred Jr.
1030
00:40:00,136 --> 00:40:01,136
♪
1031
00:40:01,268 --> 00:40:04,008
It's identified by him
1032
00:40:04,140 --> 00:40:07,450
as a sign of Fred's weakness.
1033
00:40:07,579 --> 00:40:09,149
Donald's takeaway from this
1034
00:40:09,276 --> 00:40:11,576
is that it's an example
1035
00:40:11,713 --> 00:40:16,113
of what he should never do
in his own life,
1036
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:21,159
and he sees, "Here is
this big opportunity for me
1037
00:40:21,288 --> 00:40:22,858
that my brother squandered."
1038
00:40:22,985 --> 00:40:27,635
♪
1039
00:40:27,773 --> 00:40:29,513
♪
1040
00:40:29,644 --> 00:40:30,994
- When I was growing up,
1041
00:40:31,124 --> 00:40:33,264
the signs on the Belt Parkway
1042
00:40:33,387 --> 00:40:35,297
didn't say "To Manhattan."
1043
00:40:35,433 --> 00:40:37,783
They said "To New York City,"
1044
00:40:37,913 --> 00:40:39,833
so you had
a very strong sense
1045
00:40:39,959 --> 00:40:41,479
that Manhattan
1046
00:40:41,613 --> 00:40:42,613
was New York City,
1047
00:40:42,744 --> 00:40:43,834
and you were not.
1048
00:40:43,963 --> 00:40:45,663
You're in the outer boroughs.
1049
00:40:45,791 --> 00:40:48,451
You grew up with this chip
on your shoulder.
1050
00:40:48,576 --> 00:40:50,266
- The city so nice,
1051
00:40:50,404 --> 00:40:52,714
they had to name it twice.
1052
00:40:52,841 --> 00:40:54,931
Well, New York, New York
is Manhattan.
1053
00:40:55,061 --> 00:40:56,761
It's the lake in the park.
1054
00:40:56,889 --> 00:40:58,499
It's the skyline
after dark.
1055
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:59,890
It's the Empire State,
1056
00:41:00,022 --> 00:41:01,422
it's the monument
to world peace,
1057
00:41:01,546 --> 00:41:02,496
the UN,
1058
00:41:02,634 --> 00:41:05,034
and if you become
1059
00:41:05,158 --> 00:41:07,328
a power broker in Manhattan,
1060
00:41:07,465 --> 00:41:10,415
you are the man.
1061
00:41:10,555 --> 00:41:14,985
♪
1062
00:41:15,124 --> 00:41:18,084
- From an early age,
Donald Trump knew
1063
00:41:18,214 --> 00:41:19,874
there was more than Queens.
1064
00:41:19,999 --> 00:41:21,609
He felt constricted
1065
00:41:21,740 --> 00:41:23,570
by, uh, his father's world
1066
00:41:23,698 --> 00:41:24,658
of the outer boroughs.
1067
00:41:24,786 --> 00:41:26,606
♪
1068
00:41:26,745 --> 00:41:28,785
- Imagine a young
Donald Trump.
1069
00:41:28,921 --> 00:41:31,401
He leaves this mansion
1070
00:41:31,532 --> 00:41:33,532
that he lives in
with his parents
1071
00:41:33,665 --> 00:41:34,575
in Jamaica Estates
1072
00:41:34,709 --> 00:41:35,709
and every morning,
1073
00:41:35,841 --> 00:41:37,541
makes his way down south
1074
00:41:37,669 --> 00:41:39,059
along Belt Parkway
1075
00:41:39,192 --> 00:41:41,632
to Avenue Z in Brooklyn,
1076
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,020
not far from
the waste treatment plant,
1077
00:41:44,153 --> 00:41:46,983
and into the shabby offices
1078
00:41:47,113 --> 00:41:49,903
of the Trump Organization.
1079
00:41:50,029 --> 00:41:51,639
- He was trying so hard
1080
00:41:51,770 --> 00:41:54,030
to get away from being the son
1081
00:41:54,163 --> 00:41:57,993
of a developer
from Coney Island,
1082
00:41:58,124 --> 00:42:00,004
a father who operated
1083
00:42:00,126 --> 00:42:01,606
out of a very modest,
1084
00:42:01,736 --> 00:42:03,826
almost trailer-like affair
1085
00:42:03,956 --> 00:42:06,176
filled with cigar store
Indians.
1086
00:42:06,306 --> 00:42:12,526
♪
1087
00:42:12,660 --> 00:42:14,790
- Donald Trump hated
going to that job.
1088
00:42:14,923 --> 00:42:16,843
He was there
to collect rents.
1089
00:42:16,969 --> 00:42:19,279
He was there
to process the paperwork.
1090
00:42:19,406 --> 00:42:20,836
He was there to check in
1091
00:42:20,973 --> 00:42:23,583
and keep an eye
on the contractors.
1092
00:42:23,715 --> 00:42:26,885
This was not
where he wanted to be.
1093
00:42:27,022 --> 00:42:28,762
- You're a young guy.
- Right.
1094
00:42:28,894 --> 00:42:30,294
- This is early '70s.
1095
00:42:30,417 --> 00:42:32,457
You're barely 30 years old
1096
00:42:32,593 --> 00:42:33,463
when you start this.
- Right.
1097
00:42:33,594 --> 00:42:34,644
Younger.
Younger.
1098
00:42:34,769 --> 00:42:36,469
- 28.
- Yeah.
1099
00:42:36,597 --> 00:42:37,857
- What are you thinking?
What are you--
1100
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:39,470
are you thinking,
"I've really
1101
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,470
got to get into Manhattan"?
1102
00:42:41,602 --> 00:42:43,562
- I worked in Brooklyn
for my father.
1103
00:42:43,691 --> 00:42:44,781
♪
1104
00:42:44,910 --> 00:42:46,000
You know, I did very well.
1105
00:42:46,128 --> 00:42:47,908
I did a lot,
1106
00:42:48,043 --> 00:42:49,223
but I always wanted
to be in Manhattan.
1107
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:50,919
♪
1108
00:42:51,046 --> 00:42:54,046
My father was
a very good builder...
1109
00:42:54,180 --> 00:42:55,790
- Mm-hmm.
- But he built
1110
00:42:55,921 --> 00:42:57,621
on his own territory.
He felt comfortable
1111
00:42:57,749 --> 00:42:59,749
in Brooklyn and Queens.
1112
00:42:59,881 --> 00:43:02,411
He never wanted
to enter Manhattan.
1113
00:43:02,536 --> 00:43:03,666
He didn't think
it was his place.
1114
00:43:03,798 --> 00:43:05,668
♪
1115
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:06,890
- For Donald Trump,
1116
00:43:07,019 --> 00:43:09,589
Manhattan--it's like Oz.
1117
00:43:09,717 --> 00:43:11,847
He's staring
across the East River at Oz,
1118
00:43:11,980 --> 00:43:13,420
and he wants
a piece of that.
1119
00:43:13,547 --> 00:43:18,597
♪
1120
00:43:18,726 --> 00:43:21,636
- And he gets
a one-room studio
1121
00:43:21,773 --> 00:43:22,773
and he moves into Manhattan.
1122
00:43:22,904 --> 00:43:23,954
He's gonna become a player.
1123
00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:25,559
- He had
his Cadillac convertible
1124
00:43:25,690 --> 00:43:26,780
with personalized
license plate,
1125
00:43:26,908 --> 00:43:28,908
"DJT," and he would go bombing
1126
00:43:29,041 --> 00:43:30,521
up and down the avenues,
1127
00:43:30,651 --> 00:43:33,091
looking for properties
to buy,
1128
00:43:33,219 --> 00:43:36,479
thinking, you know,
"If I could just start small"
1129
00:43:36,614 --> 00:43:37,924
doing in Manhattan
what his father had done
1130
00:43:38,050 --> 00:43:39,620
in the outer boroughs.
1131
00:43:39,747 --> 00:43:41,437
Real estate prices
were going down,
1132
00:43:41,575 --> 00:43:42,655
and so it was
1133
00:43:42,794 --> 00:43:44,404
open territory
1134
00:43:44,534 --> 00:43:45,934
for a real estate developer
1135
00:43:46,058 --> 00:43:48,278
who was eager
to make his mark.
1136
00:43:48,408 --> 00:43:51,928
♪
1137
00:43:52,064 --> 00:43:54,414
He was generating
and grooming
1138
00:43:54,544 --> 00:43:55,724
this image of himself
1139
00:43:55,850 --> 00:43:58,850
as a playboy millionaire,
1140
00:43:58,984 --> 00:44:00,734
and so he would go out
to the clubs
1141
00:44:00,855 --> 00:44:02,465
that were hot
at that moment.
1142
00:44:02,596 --> 00:44:03,766
♪
1143
00:44:03,902 --> 00:44:05,772
- Le Club was a place
1144
00:44:05,904 --> 00:44:08,384
where you would roll up
to the bar
1145
00:44:08,515 --> 00:44:09,855
hoping to meet model,
1146
00:44:09,995 --> 00:44:11,815
so you can see
1147
00:44:11,953 --> 00:44:13,563
that a Donald Trump
would be attracted
1148
00:44:13,694 --> 00:44:14,964
to that kind of a scene.
1149
00:44:15,087 --> 00:44:16,607
♪
1150
00:44:16,741 --> 00:44:18,051
- I was one
of the very first
1151
00:44:18,177 --> 00:44:19,737
female members of Le Club,
1152
00:44:19,874 --> 00:44:21,964
and it was glamorous and fun,
1153
00:44:22,094 --> 00:44:24,364
and they played fabulous music.
1154
00:44:24,487 --> 00:44:26,527
It was the hottest place
in town.
1155
00:44:26,664 --> 00:44:29,454
It had
a very intimate dance floor.
1156
00:44:29,579 --> 00:44:31,359
All the women were chic
1157
00:44:31,494 --> 00:44:33,504
and well-dressed
and the men were handsome,
1158
00:44:33,627 --> 00:44:35,497
wearing either suits
or tuxedos,
1159
00:44:35,629 --> 00:44:36,939
and you could really
fall in love
1160
00:44:37,065 --> 00:44:38,325
with anybody in this place.
1161
00:44:38,458 --> 00:44:39,888
♪
1162
00:44:40,025 --> 00:44:41,675
And I remember one night,
1163
00:44:41,809 --> 00:44:42,939
I went over
to the maître d',
1164
00:44:43,071 --> 00:44:44,901
and I said, "who is that man?"
1165
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:46,640
He said, "He's a new member.
1166
00:44:46,771 --> 00:44:48,561
His name is Donald Trump."
1167
00:44:48,686 --> 00:44:50,816
I thought he was
extremely handsome.
1168
00:44:50,949 --> 00:44:52,559
He had a way about him
that just
1169
00:44:52,690 --> 00:44:55,740
caught my eye immediately.
1170
00:44:55,867 --> 00:44:57,347
- You went to Le Club.
- Le Club, right.
1171
00:44:57,477 --> 00:44:58,957
- The greatest
I've ever been to.
1172
00:44:59,087 --> 00:45:01,217
The level of beauty was--
1173
00:45:01,350 --> 00:45:02,830
Le Club, to me,
1174
00:45:02,961 --> 00:45:04,351
was the greatest club
that I've ever
1175
00:45:04,484 --> 00:45:05,964
been associated--
- In the world?
1176
00:45:06,094 --> 00:45:08,274
- I-I've been to every--
I've been everywhere.
1177
00:45:08,401 --> 00:45:09,661
♪
1178
00:45:09,794 --> 00:45:11,324
- Trump would hang out there
1179
00:45:11,447 --> 00:45:12,837
in order to be noticed,
but also
1180
00:45:12,971 --> 00:45:14,841
to get to know
the movers and shakers
1181
00:45:14,973 --> 00:45:16,323
of this new world
of Manhattan
1182
00:45:16,452 --> 00:45:18,372
that he was diving into.
1183
00:45:18,498 --> 00:45:20,328
- Donald very much set
his sights
1184
00:45:20,456 --> 00:45:22,016
on becoming a player
1185
00:45:22,154 --> 00:45:24,984
in the hierarchy
of New York real estate,
1186
00:45:25,113 --> 00:45:26,723
but before he could make
his move
1187
00:45:26,854 --> 00:45:28,604
in Manhattan,
1188
00:45:28,726 --> 00:45:30,466
a problem arrived
on the doorstep
1189
00:45:30,597 --> 00:45:31,507
of his father.
1190
00:45:31,641 --> 00:45:33,121
♪
1191
00:45:33,252 --> 00:45:34,782
The Justice Department
filed a lawsuit
1192
00:45:34,906 --> 00:45:36,466
against
the Trump Organization,
1193
00:45:36,603 --> 00:45:39,563
alleging that they
had discriminated
1194
00:45:39,693 --> 00:45:41,353
against black
and Latin families
1195
00:45:41,477 --> 00:45:42,827
wanting to live
in the buildings
1196
00:45:42,957 --> 00:45:44,387
that his father had built.
1197
00:45:44,524 --> 00:45:45,704
♪
1198
00:45:45,830 --> 00:45:48,570
This was a big problem
1199
00:45:48,702 --> 00:45:51,922
that could jeopardize
any deal.
1200
00:45:52,053 --> 00:45:54,103
♪
1201
00:45:54,229 --> 00:45:57,059
- The 1973 lawsuit alleges
rampant discrimination
1202
00:45:57,189 --> 00:45:59,319
on the part
of the Trump Organization.
1203
00:45:59,452 --> 00:46:00,322
We're not talking
1204
00:46:00,453 --> 00:46:01,413
about discrimination
1205
00:46:01,541 --> 00:46:02,671
here and there.
1206
00:46:02,803 --> 00:46:04,943
We're talking about systemic,
1207
00:46:05,066 --> 00:46:07,196
structural discrimination.
1208
00:46:07,329 --> 00:46:11,419
♪
1209
00:46:11,551 --> 00:46:13,381
- And this
is the kitchen here.
1210
00:46:13,509 --> 00:46:15,339
- I was contacted and asked
1211
00:46:15,468 --> 00:46:17,468
to be a tester
1212
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:18,730
for the, uh,
1213
00:46:18,863 --> 00:46:20,473
Beach Haven apartments,
1214
00:46:20,603 --> 00:46:23,263
which were owned
by Trump Management.
1215
00:46:23,389 --> 00:46:24,869
♪
1216
00:46:24,999 --> 00:46:26,609
- There was a sign outside
1217
00:46:26,740 --> 00:46:28,220
that said
"Apartment for rent,"
1218
00:46:28,350 --> 00:46:29,870
and this articulate,
1219
00:46:30,004 --> 00:46:32,444
well-dressed black man
1220
00:46:32,572 --> 00:46:34,752
had applied
for the apartment,
1221
00:46:34,879 --> 00:46:36,489
and the superintendent--
1222
00:46:36,619 --> 00:46:38,489
he said to the man,
1223
00:46:38,621 --> 00:46:41,711
uh, "I'm sorry,
but the apartment is taken."
1224
00:46:41,842 --> 00:46:43,672
- As I remember,
there was a gentleman,
1225
00:46:43,801 --> 00:46:44,891
and he said,
"I have none to show,
1226
00:46:45,019 --> 00:46:46,189
"because there's nothing
1227
00:46:46,325 --> 00:46:47,935
vacant right now."
1228
00:46:48,066 --> 00:46:49,716
Right after I--I left,
1229
00:46:49,850 --> 00:46:51,980
they sent a white person.
1230
00:46:52,113 --> 00:46:54,513
- The super greeted me
with open arms
1231
00:46:54,637 --> 00:46:56,937
like he was just waiting
for me,
1232
00:46:57,075 --> 00:46:59,245
and he handed me the lease,
1233
00:46:59,381 --> 00:47:00,601
and I just ran,
1234
00:47:00,730 --> 00:47:02,380
and when I got outside,
1235
00:47:02,515 --> 00:47:04,335
I met up
with the commissioner,
1236
00:47:04,473 --> 00:47:06,953
and we walked back
into the building,
1237
00:47:07,085 --> 00:47:08,385
and at this point,
1238
00:47:08,521 --> 00:47:09,611
the superintendent--
1239
00:47:09,739 --> 00:47:11,609
all he could say was, uh,
1240
00:47:11,741 --> 00:47:13,441
"Well, uh, I'm just doing
1241
00:47:13,569 --> 00:47:16,269
what my boss told me to do."
1242
00:47:16,398 --> 00:47:17,658
- You feel outraged.
1243
00:47:17,791 --> 00:47:20,321
You feel insulted.
1244
00:47:20,446 --> 00:47:22,576
I'm a young black man
1245
00:47:22,709 --> 00:47:24,619
who has been to college,
1246
00:47:24,754 --> 00:47:26,804
who has a job,
1247
00:47:26,931 --> 00:47:28,721
so you do feel a sense
1248
00:47:28,846 --> 00:47:30,626
of anger at the fact
1249
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,460
that society still allows
1250
00:47:32,588 --> 00:47:34,158
this sort of thing to happen.
1251
00:47:34,286 --> 00:47:35,416
♪
1252
00:47:35,548 --> 00:47:37,638
- In 1973,
1253
00:47:37,767 --> 00:47:40,287
I went out to Trump Village
1254
00:47:40,422 --> 00:47:41,602
and tried to interview
1255
00:47:41,728 --> 00:47:43,858
as many people as I could...
1256
00:47:43,991 --> 00:47:46,651
♪
1257
00:47:46,776 --> 00:47:50,776
And we found out
that if a person of color
1258
00:47:50,911 --> 00:47:54,571
did apply to live
at Trump Village,
1259
00:47:54,697 --> 00:47:58,177
that on their application
would be handwritten
1260
00:47:58,310 --> 00:48:00,440
a big C, for "colored."
1261
00:48:00,573 --> 00:48:02,623
♪
1262
00:48:02,749 --> 00:48:04,529
- Those applications
1263
00:48:04,664 --> 00:48:06,364
would then be put
in a separate pile,
1264
00:48:06,492 --> 00:48:07,892
and those people
1265
00:48:08,015 --> 00:48:09,275
would be offered
1266
00:48:09,408 --> 00:48:10,928
either no apartment,
1267
00:48:11,062 --> 00:48:12,852
or they'd be offered
a lesser apartment
1268
00:48:12,977 --> 00:48:14,977
at a lesser property.
1269
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:17,499
The Justice Department
comes after Donald Trump
1270
00:48:17,633 --> 00:48:19,333
and his father Fred,
1271
00:48:19,461 --> 00:48:21,991
accusing them
of racial discrimination.
1272
00:48:22,116 --> 00:48:25,116
- And everyone around him,
including his father,
1273
00:48:25,250 --> 00:48:26,340
is saying,
1274
00:48:26,468 --> 00:48:27,638
"Just settle, Donald.
1275
00:48:27,774 --> 00:48:28,864
Nobody beats
the federal government."
1276
00:48:28,993 --> 00:48:31,393
♪
1277
00:48:31,517 --> 00:48:32,907
- As Donald Trump was deciding
1278
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,610
whether to settle
the racial bias case
1279
00:48:34,737 --> 00:48:36,997
on behalf of the company
and his father,
1280
00:48:37,131 --> 00:48:39,481
he goes into Le Club,
1281
00:48:39,612 --> 00:48:40,742
he walks in,
1282
00:48:40,874 --> 00:48:41,884
and there's a man
at a table,
1283
00:48:42,006 --> 00:48:43,436
and that man is Roy Cohn.
1284
00:48:43,572 --> 00:48:45,492
♪
1285
00:48:45,618 --> 00:48:48,058
The meeting between Roy Cohn
and Donald Trump
1286
00:48:48,186 --> 00:48:50,666
began one of the most important
relationships in Trump's life.
1287
00:48:50,797 --> 00:48:53,227
♪
1288
00:48:57,412 --> 00:48:59,502
- This fight, I have
absolutely total confidence
1289
00:48:59,632 --> 00:49:00,852
is going to be won,
1290
00:49:00,981 --> 00:49:03,591
and won completely and totally.
1291
00:49:03,723 --> 00:49:05,293
- To this day, Roy Cohn is one
1292
00:49:05,420 --> 00:49:08,250
of the most controversial
and hated people in America.
1293
00:49:08,380 --> 00:49:11,430
Mention his name, and people
will throw things at you.
1294
00:49:11,557 --> 00:49:13,207
♪
1295
00:49:13,341 --> 00:49:15,911
- To Donald Trump,
Roy Cohn is
1296
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,430
exactly what his father
had called a killer.
1297
00:49:18,564 --> 00:49:20,224
♪
1298
00:49:20,348 --> 00:49:23,218
- Donald Trump had
two mentors:
1299
00:49:23,351 --> 00:49:26,051
his dad, who taught him
1300
00:49:26,180 --> 00:49:27,880
there are killers and losers,
1301
00:49:28,008 --> 00:49:29,578
and Roy Cohn, who said
1302
00:49:29,705 --> 00:49:31,875
even when you lose,
you win.
1303
00:49:32,012 --> 00:49:33,582
Doesn't matter if it l--
you say it's a win
1304
00:49:33,709 --> 00:49:34,619
when it's a loss.
1305
00:49:34,754 --> 00:49:35,894
♪
1306
00:49:36,016 --> 00:49:37,576
- Roy Cohn, as a young man,
1307
00:49:37,713 --> 00:49:38,983
was chief counsel
1308
00:49:39,106 --> 00:49:40,926
to Senator Joseph McCarthy.
1309
00:49:41,065 --> 00:49:42,675
♪
1310
00:49:42,805 --> 00:49:46,025
McCarthy was
the rabble-rousing senator
1311
00:49:46,157 --> 00:49:47,107
from Wisconsin
1312
00:49:47,245 --> 00:49:50,155
who rose to power on a lie.
1313
00:49:50,291 --> 00:49:51,991
- All Senator McCarthy
has been trying to do
1314
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:54,769
is expose the Communists.
1315
00:49:54,904 --> 00:49:58,084
- The lie was that
there were hundreds of people
1316
00:49:58,212 --> 00:50:00,742
in the government
who were Communist.
1317
00:50:00,867 --> 00:50:02,777
It was all fake.
1318
00:50:02,912 --> 00:50:05,652
♪
1319
00:50:05,785 --> 00:50:07,955
- Roy helped
Senator McCarthy
1320
00:50:08,092 --> 00:50:10,142
invent things, s--
out of whole cloth,
1321
00:50:10,268 --> 00:50:12,178
invent, you know,
Communist conspiracies
1322
00:50:12,313 --> 00:50:13,843
and Communists
in the State Department
1323
00:50:13,967 --> 00:50:15,837
and all that.
Roy pushed that through.
1324
00:50:15,969 --> 00:50:17,319
- Are you now,
or have you ever been,
1325
00:50:17,449 --> 00:50:19,149
a member of the Communist--
- Wait a minute!
1326
00:50:19,277 --> 00:50:20,887
Let me answer the question!
- Ask the next question.
1327
00:50:21,018 --> 00:50:21,928
- Are you asking me
1328
00:50:22,062 --> 00:50:23,672
to violate
1329
00:50:23,803 --> 00:50:24,983
the Constitutional guarantee...
1330
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:26,409
- It does not violate
the Constitution
1331
00:50:26,545 --> 00:50:27,935
to answer a question.
- It does.
1332
00:50:28,068 --> 00:50:29,108
♪
1333
00:50:29,243 --> 00:50:30,813
- Years before Twitter,
1334
00:50:30,940 --> 00:50:33,160
years before cable news,
1335
00:50:33,291 --> 00:50:34,861
Roy knew that he could
get headlines,
1336
00:50:34,988 --> 00:50:36,118
he could make allegations,
1337
00:50:36,250 --> 00:50:37,120
and that would stick.
1338
00:50:37,251 --> 00:50:40,951
♪
1339
00:50:41,081 --> 00:50:43,001
- But McCarthy and Roy Cohn
1340
00:50:43,127 --> 00:50:44,817
were driven out of Washington
1341
00:50:44,954 --> 00:50:46,914
in an utter state of disgrace
1342
00:50:47,044 --> 00:50:50,704
when they were belittled
by Joseph Welch
1343
00:50:50,830 --> 00:50:52,660
in a beautiful moment
of American theater
1344
00:50:52,788 --> 00:50:54,308
when he said...
1345
00:50:54,442 --> 00:50:58,752
- Have you no sense
of decency, sir?
1346
00:50:58,881 --> 00:51:00,451
At long last,
1347
00:51:00,579 --> 00:51:01,749
have you left
1348
00:51:01,884 --> 00:51:04,024
no sense of decency?
1349
00:51:04,148 --> 00:51:07,758
♪
1350
00:51:07,890 --> 00:51:10,680
- When Roy came
to New York,
1351
00:51:10,806 --> 00:51:12,846
he played it like a win,
1352
00:51:12,982 --> 00:51:15,032
and he rose to become
1353
00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:16,989
one of the most powerful fixers
1354
00:51:17,117 --> 00:51:19,987
in New York
of the 20th century.
1355
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:21,900
♪
1356
00:51:22,035 --> 00:51:24,985
- Roy and Trump met
at Le Club,
1357
00:51:25,125 --> 00:51:26,605
which was, in those days,
1358
00:51:26,735 --> 00:51:28,215
the place to be,
1359
00:51:28,346 --> 00:51:29,826
and Donald proceeds
to tell him
1360
00:51:29,956 --> 00:51:31,826
that the U.S.
Justice Department
1361
00:51:31,958 --> 00:51:35,308
is going after the Trump family
really hard
1362
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:36,920
for discriminating
against people
1363
00:51:37,050 --> 00:51:38,790
in their--in the housing
they own,
1364
00:51:38,921 --> 00:51:41,101
and everybody's telling Trump,
1365
00:51:41,228 --> 00:51:42,798
"Just settle it."
1366
00:51:42,925 --> 00:51:45,615
Roy is the first one
who says to Trump,
1367
00:51:45,754 --> 00:51:47,234
"What are you talking about?
1368
00:51:47,365 --> 00:51:48,975
"Go after
the Justice Department.
1369
00:51:49,106 --> 00:51:50,796
"Counter-attack.
1370
00:51:50,933 --> 00:51:53,073
You can win this."
1371
00:51:53,197 --> 00:51:55,157
- Roy Cohn was a great lawyer.
1372
00:51:55,286 --> 00:51:56,846
You talk about
a controversial guy.
1373
00:51:56,983 --> 00:51:58,463
I mean, he
was a controversial guy.
1374
00:51:58,593 --> 00:52:00,123
- Unbelievable.
- But if he was your friend,
1375
00:52:00,247 --> 00:52:02,897
he would fight to the death.
1376
00:52:03,032 --> 00:52:04,992
- Did you know
his reputation?
1377
00:52:05,122 --> 00:52:06,602
- I-I-I did,
but his reputation
1378
00:52:06,732 --> 00:52:08,342
was tough.
I needed a tough lawyer.
1379
00:52:08,473 --> 00:52:09,783
You know, I was dealing
with tough people,
1380
00:52:09,909 --> 00:52:11,079
and Roy was very good,
1381
00:52:11,215 --> 00:52:13,865
and Roy, for me,
did a great job.
1382
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:19,050
♪
1383
00:52:19,179 --> 00:52:21,089
- Donald and Fred Trump,
1384
00:52:21,225 --> 00:52:22,915
along with Roy Cohn,
1385
00:52:23,052 --> 00:52:25,662
called a press conference.
1386
00:52:25,794 --> 00:52:27,194
- He did
something preposterous,
1387
00:52:27,318 --> 00:52:28,538
which is they said
1388
00:52:28,667 --> 00:52:30,057
that they were suing
1389
00:52:30,190 --> 00:52:31,710
the Justice Department
1390
00:52:31,844 --> 00:52:32,764
for defamation.
1391
00:52:32,888 --> 00:52:39,328
♪
1392
00:52:39,460 --> 00:52:41,940
- Donald says
"This isn't about racism.
1393
00:52:42,071 --> 00:52:43,731
"I don't want them in there
1394
00:52:43,856 --> 00:52:45,416
because they're all
welfare recipients."
1395
00:52:45,553 --> 00:52:47,993
- Nothing could be further
from the truth.
1396
00:52:48,121 --> 00:52:51,261
It was just a made-up story.
1397
00:52:51,385 --> 00:52:53,995
- He knew it was
an effective public statement
1398
00:52:54,127 --> 00:52:56,777
to make to spin
the public debate
1399
00:52:56,912 --> 00:52:58,092
in a different way.
1400
00:52:58,218 --> 00:52:59,088
This was all Roy Cohn.
1401
00:52:59,219 --> 00:53:00,919
It's Roy Cohn
1402
00:53:01,047 --> 00:53:03,827
who's got Trump at his knee,
1403
00:53:03,963 --> 00:53:05,573
telling him
how the world works.
1404
00:53:05,704 --> 00:53:07,234
♪
1405
00:53:07,358 --> 00:53:10,968
- Roy understood
how to generate news
1406
00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:12,840
and how the media worked,
1407
00:53:12,972 --> 00:53:14,582
and he understood
the interplay
1408
00:53:14,713 --> 00:53:16,243
between public events
1409
00:53:16,367 --> 00:53:17,627
and media coverage.
1410
00:53:17,759 --> 00:53:18,799
♪
1411
00:53:18,934 --> 00:53:20,284
Trump marveled
1412
00:53:20,414 --> 00:53:21,854
at Cohn's understanding
1413
00:53:21,981 --> 00:53:24,771
of how to sell an idea,
1414
00:53:24,897 --> 00:53:26,157
both his legal tactics
1415
00:53:26,290 --> 00:53:27,860
and the coverage of the matters
1416
00:53:27,987 --> 00:53:29,157
in which he was involved.
1417
00:53:29,293 --> 00:53:31,643
♪
1418
00:53:31,773 --> 00:53:32,953
- I remember
1419
00:53:33,079 --> 00:53:34,909
the first big argument
1420
00:53:35,037 --> 00:53:36,297
in court.
1421
00:53:36,430 --> 00:53:38,610
Roy Cohn speaks,
1422
00:53:38,737 --> 00:53:40,087
uninterrupted,
1423
00:53:40,217 --> 00:53:43,177
for 45 minutes.
1424
00:53:43,307 --> 00:53:45,867
Donald Trump
was very flippant,
1425
00:53:46,005 --> 00:53:47,695
and one of his comments
1426
00:53:47,833 --> 00:53:49,923
during one of the breaks
was, you know,
1427
00:53:50,052 --> 00:53:52,192
"You don't want
to live with them, either."
1428
00:53:52,316 --> 00:53:54,836
♪
1429
00:53:54,970 --> 00:53:56,230
- Roy assures Donald
1430
00:53:56,363 --> 00:53:57,933
that they can go into this
and win.
1431
00:53:58,060 --> 00:53:59,710
They don't.
1432
00:53:59,845 --> 00:54:01,015
They lose.
They have to settle
1433
00:54:01,150 --> 00:54:03,110
with the federal government.
1434
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:05,070
- The Trump Organization--
1435
00:54:05,198 --> 00:54:06,938
they say,
"We didn't admit guilt.
1436
00:54:07,069 --> 00:54:09,859
"We didn't say
that we did anything wrong.
1437
00:54:09,985 --> 00:54:11,245
"We settled
with the Justice Department
1438
00:54:11,378 --> 00:54:13,158
just to make it go away."
1439
00:54:13,293 --> 00:54:15,993
To this day, you know,
1440
00:54:16,122 --> 00:54:17,212
you ask Donald Trump
about that,
1441
00:54:17,341 --> 00:54:18,821
and he says,
"Well, we won that."
1442
00:54:18,951 --> 00:54:20,211
♪
1443
00:54:20,344 --> 00:54:22,434
- Of course,
that's not true.
1444
00:54:22,563 --> 00:54:25,223
It was a big victory
for the Justice Department.
1445
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:27,219
♪
1446
00:54:27,351 --> 00:54:29,001
- I think that case,
you know, to this day,
1447
00:54:29,135 --> 00:54:31,305
is in--in Trump's mind.
1448
00:54:31,442 --> 00:54:34,362
He hated being accused
of discrimination.
1449
00:54:34,488 --> 00:54:35,918
He hated the idea
of the government
1450
00:54:36,055 --> 00:54:36,925
going after him
and his father...
1451
00:54:37,056 --> 00:54:38,966
♪
1452
00:54:39,101 --> 00:54:40,151
And he holds animus
towards the government
1453
00:54:40,277 --> 00:54:41,627
to this day.
1454
00:54:41,756 --> 00:54:48,976
♪
1455
00:54:49,111 --> 00:54:51,851
[sirens blaring]
1456
00:54:51,984 --> 00:54:53,944
- Standard & Poor's
bond rating service
1457
00:54:54,073 --> 00:54:56,163
said today
it is absolutely certain
1458
00:54:56,293 --> 00:54:58,253
that New York City
will default on its debt.
1459
00:54:58,382 --> 00:55:00,042
- President Ford
has been against
1460
00:55:00,166 --> 00:55:01,776
federal help for New York,
1461
00:55:01,907 --> 00:55:03,947
saying it would establish
a costly precedent.
1462
00:55:04,083 --> 00:55:06,393
- Default if you must,
1463
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,440
but don't expect help
from the federal government.
1464
00:55:09,567 --> 00:55:11,697
- People were fleeing
the city,
1465
00:55:11,830 --> 00:55:14,090
and that was when Ford
said "Drop dead,"
1466
00:55:14,223 --> 00:55:15,363
the famous article.
- Right.
1467
00:55:15,486 --> 00:55:16,696
- Yeah.
- You know, it wasn't,
1468
00:55:16,835 --> 00:55:18,315
like, that competitive.
1469
00:55:18,445 --> 00:55:20,055
I was wanting to come in,
and other people
1470
00:55:20,186 --> 00:55:21,356
were afraid to touch it.
- Going the other way.
1471
00:55:21,492 --> 00:55:22,752
- Everybody was on the
sidelines
1472
00:55:22,884 --> 00:55:24,364
- They were all gone or bust,
1473
00:55:24,495 --> 00:55:26,105
and--and the city
was doing terribly.
1474
00:55:26,235 --> 00:55:27,795
Crime was through the roof.
1475
00:55:27,933 --> 00:55:29,983
[sighs]
I didn't think about it,
1476
00:55:30,109 --> 00:55:31,889
because I was counter
to the market.
1477
00:55:32,024 --> 00:55:33,464
I was very counter to the--
- Yeah.
1478
00:55:33,591 --> 00:55:34,811
- I've always been
counterintuitive.
1479
00:55:34,940 --> 00:55:38,990
♪
1480
00:55:39,118 --> 00:55:40,728
- The Manhattan
that Donald Trump
1481
00:55:40,859 --> 00:55:43,209
crossed the bridge
to fulfill his dreams
1482
00:55:43,340 --> 00:55:45,300
was a Manhattan
in pretty sorry shape.
1483
00:55:45,429 --> 00:55:46,779
♪
1484
00:55:46,908 --> 00:55:48,948
- Crime was at record height.
1485
00:55:49,084 --> 00:55:51,174
People were afraid.
1486
00:55:51,304 --> 00:55:54,394
The city
was near bankruptcy.
1487
00:55:54,525 --> 00:55:56,215
I wrote the column
for the "Daily News,"
1488
00:55:56,353 --> 00:55:57,963
writing about New York.
1489
00:55:58,093 --> 00:56:00,103
The attitude in New York
1490
00:56:00,226 --> 00:56:01,966
was a depressing attitude.
1491
00:56:02,097 --> 00:56:03,837
It was a feeling that,
1492
00:56:03,969 --> 00:56:05,669
"Oh, my God, this city's
really in danger."
1493
00:56:05,797 --> 00:56:08,627
♪
1494
00:56:08,756 --> 00:56:10,276
- In other news,
the Penn Central,
1495
00:56:10,410 --> 00:56:11,280
which has been running
in the red
1496
00:56:11,411 --> 00:56:13,071
for a long time now,
1497
00:56:13,195 --> 00:56:15,415
decided today to sell off
some choice real estate,
1498
00:56:15,546 --> 00:56:18,106
including ten blocks
in downtown Manhattan.
1499
00:56:18,244 --> 00:56:21,604
They hope to bring in
about $1 billion in the deal.
1500
00:56:21,726 --> 00:56:24,156
♪
1501
00:56:24,293 --> 00:56:25,993
- Penn Central--most people
thought of it
1502
00:56:26,121 --> 00:56:27,651
as two railroad companies,
1503
00:56:27,775 --> 00:56:28,775
but it was really
1504
00:56:28,907 --> 00:56:30,687
a landowning company
1505
00:56:30,822 --> 00:56:32,392
that happened to have
some railroads.
1506
00:56:32,519 --> 00:56:35,039
- Railyards
were on the market.
1507
00:56:35,174 --> 00:56:37,134
Grand Central
was on the market,
1508
00:56:37,263 --> 00:56:39,183
and even hotel companies.
1509
00:56:39,308 --> 00:56:40,658
It was more or less
1510
00:56:40,788 --> 00:56:41,828
a fire sale.
1511
00:56:41,963 --> 00:56:43,703
♪
1512
00:56:43,835 --> 00:56:45,135
- Donald Trump stumbles
1513
00:56:45,271 --> 00:56:46,931
upon an announcement
in the press
1514
00:56:47,055 --> 00:56:49,745
that the Commodore Hotel,
one of the grand old
1515
00:56:49,884 --> 00:56:52,024
hotel properties of Manhattan,
1516
00:56:52,147 --> 00:56:54,277
is sitting there, unwanted.
1517
00:56:54,411 --> 00:56:56,721
- So it was a big deal
1518
00:56:56,848 --> 00:56:59,718
when Donald said
he was gonna restore
1519
00:56:59,851 --> 00:57:02,461
a cruddy hotel
on 42nd Street.
1520
00:57:02,593 --> 00:57:05,903
- At a time when New Yorkers
were reeling,
1521
00:57:06,031 --> 00:57:07,901
were insecure,
were frightened,
1522
00:57:08,033 --> 00:57:09,993
here's Donald Trump
on the scene,
1523
00:57:10,122 --> 00:57:12,822
bold, optimistic.
1524
00:57:12,951 --> 00:57:14,951
He was kind of a rare
1525
00:57:15,083 --> 00:57:16,223
ray of light
1526
00:57:16,345 --> 00:57:18,125
in a--in a pretty dark scene.
1527
00:57:18,260 --> 00:57:19,910
♪
1528
00:57:20,045 --> 00:57:21,865
- He began to play
all the players
1529
00:57:22,003 --> 00:57:24,013
against each other.
1530
00:57:24,136 --> 00:57:26,966
To get the property, he went
to Penn Central and said,
1531
00:57:27,095 --> 00:57:29,655
"Hey, look, I have
the agreement of Hyatt,
1532
00:57:29,794 --> 00:57:31,364
"and they're gonna make this
a Hyatt hotel,
1533
00:57:31,491 --> 00:57:33,361
so you should give it to me.
I'll renovate it."
1534
00:57:33,493 --> 00:57:34,843
He didn't have
the agreement of Hyatt,
1535
00:57:34,973 --> 00:57:36,243
but he said he did.
1536
00:57:36,365 --> 00:57:37,975
Then he went to Hyatt
and said,
1537
00:57:38,106 --> 00:57:39,666
"Hey, I'm the one
with the control
1538
00:57:39,804 --> 00:57:41,074
of the property
from Penn Central,"
1539
00:57:41,196 --> 00:57:42,366
which he didn't have.
1540
00:57:42,502 --> 00:57:44,372
They each bought the story,
1541
00:57:44,504 --> 00:57:46,644
so now he had
both the land
1542
00:57:46,767 --> 00:57:48,067
and the name Hyatt
1543
00:57:48,203 --> 00:57:49,123
and their cooperation.
1544
00:57:49,248 --> 00:57:50,898
♪
1545
00:57:51,032 --> 00:57:53,212
Now he needed money.
1546
00:57:53,339 --> 00:57:56,169
He goes to the bank
and says, "Hey, I've got
1547
00:57:56,298 --> 00:57:58,078
this tax abatement
from the government."
1548
00:57:58,213 --> 00:57:59,213
He didn't have it
at that point,
1549
00:57:59,345 --> 00:58:00,995
but he persuaded the bank
1550
00:58:01,129 --> 00:58:02,699
that he did,
1551
00:58:02,827 --> 00:58:04,657
in the ultimate showman
kind of way.
1552
00:58:04,785 --> 00:58:07,175
He was being
part operator,
1553
00:58:07,309 --> 00:58:09,529
part savvy businessman.
1554
00:58:09,660 --> 00:58:12,710
♪
1555
00:58:12,837 --> 00:58:15,617
- Donald Trump came in
to see me,
1556
00:58:15,753 --> 00:58:17,763
and he wanted me
to exempt his hotel
1557
00:58:17,885 --> 00:58:19,095
from real estate taxes,
1558
00:58:19,234 --> 00:58:21,724
which I had the power to do,
1559
00:58:21,846 --> 00:58:23,936
but I said no,
1560
00:58:24,065 --> 00:58:25,105
because I did not believe,
1561
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:26,980
and do not believe,
1562
00:58:27,112 --> 00:58:29,942
that a Hyatt hotel
on 42nd Street
1563
00:58:30,071 --> 00:58:32,381
would not earn enough money
to pay taxes.
1564
00:58:32,509 --> 00:58:36,339
When I said no,
he was extremely unpleasant.
1565
00:58:36,469 --> 00:58:38,249
- Donald got very angry,
and threatened
1566
00:58:38,384 --> 00:58:40,044
to have him fired.
1567
00:58:40,168 --> 00:58:42,038
- He told me
what to do to myself.
1568
00:58:42,170 --> 00:58:43,910
I told him
he'd better get out,
1569
00:58:44,042 --> 00:58:46,092
or I'd have him arrested.
1570
00:58:46,218 --> 00:58:48,178
- I think he was worried.
1571
00:58:48,307 --> 00:58:50,217
He needs
every little bit of help
1572
00:58:50,352 --> 00:58:51,922
that he can get.
1573
00:58:52,050 --> 00:58:53,270
Donald didn't have a lot,
1574
00:58:53,399 --> 00:58:54,919
but he did have one thing:
1575
00:58:55,053 --> 00:58:57,013
his father,
1576
00:58:57,142 --> 00:58:58,672
so he went to his father
1577
00:58:58,796 --> 00:59:00,276
to help him out.
1578
00:59:00,406 --> 00:59:01,836
His father was very close
1579
00:59:01,973 --> 00:59:03,103
to both the governor
1580
00:59:03,235 --> 00:59:04,625
and to the mayor,
1581
00:59:04,758 --> 00:59:07,148
and so he had entrée
1582
00:59:07,282 --> 00:59:09,022
when he wanted to put forward
1583
00:59:09,154 --> 00:59:11,774
this idea of getting
a big tax break,
1584
00:59:11,896 --> 00:59:14,196
and so, thanks
to his political connections,
1585
00:59:14,333 --> 00:59:16,123
he was able to get
the support
1586
00:59:16,248 --> 00:59:19,028
of both the city
and the state.
1587
00:59:42,970 --> 00:59:44,280
- Controller?
1588
00:59:44,406 --> 00:59:45,316
- Donald Trump,
1589
00:59:45,451 --> 00:59:47,801
through a complicated series
1590
00:59:47,932 --> 00:59:51,022
of absolute moxie maneuvers,
1591
00:59:51,152 --> 00:59:53,152
managed to get
1592
00:59:53,285 --> 00:59:56,935
a huge, huge tax break.
1593
00:59:57,071 --> 00:59:59,251
- It's been a long, hard fight.
How do you feel?
1594
00:59:59,378 --> 01:00:00,948
- Well, I'm very happy,
and I think
1595
01:00:01,075 --> 01:00:02,335
the city of New York
is going to be very happy.
1596
01:00:02,468 --> 01:00:04,118
We're gonna do something now
1597
01:00:04,252 --> 01:00:05,822
which is going to be
a great stride forward
1598
01:00:05,950 --> 01:00:06,860
for New York City.
1599
01:00:06,994 --> 01:00:08,174
- Donald Trump
1600
01:00:08,300 --> 01:00:09,690
is a street fighter,
1601
01:00:09,823 --> 01:00:11,783
and Donald Trump wants to win.
1602
01:00:11,912 --> 01:00:15,702
He is the consummate,
constant, negotiator.
1603
01:00:15,829 --> 01:00:17,399
- People asked me, "How come?
1604
01:00:17,526 --> 01:00:20,046
How is it that you got
40 years of tax abatement?"
1605
01:00:20,181 --> 01:00:23,011
and I'd always say,
"Because I didn't ask for 50."
1606
01:00:23,141 --> 01:00:25,101
- But there was
more work to be done.
1607
01:00:25,230 --> 01:00:26,970
♪
1608
01:00:27,101 --> 01:00:28,891
Donald Trump,
upon the city's demand,
1609
01:00:29,016 --> 01:00:30,666
was required to submit
1610
01:00:30,801 --> 01:00:32,541
the contract that indicated
1611
01:00:32,672 --> 01:00:36,372
he had permission
from the Penn Central railroad,
1612
01:00:36,502 --> 01:00:38,032
so Donald said,
"Here's my contract
1613
01:00:38,156 --> 01:00:39,326
for the Penn Central."
1614
01:00:39,461 --> 01:00:41,771
No one actually looked
at the last page
1615
01:00:41,899 --> 01:00:43,809
to notice
it had never been signed.
1616
01:00:43,944 --> 01:00:45,384
♪
1617
01:00:45,511 --> 01:00:47,511
So he moved forward
on a project
1618
01:00:47,644 --> 01:00:51,084
of immense scale,
guaranteeing the city
1619
01:00:51,212 --> 01:00:53,172
that he had
the legal authority to do it,
1620
01:00:53,301 --> 01:00:54,961
and he did not have
the authority.
1621
01:00:55,086 --> 01:00:57,036
♪
1622
01:00:57,175 --> 01:00:58,085
- And nobody noticed.
- And nobody noticed?
1623
01:00:58,219 --> 01:01:00,049
- Nobody noticed.
1624
01:01:00,178 --> 01:01:02,048
They just said, "Could we see
your contract?"
1625
01:01:02,180 --> 01:01:03,880
so I sent them a contract
that was signed by me
1626
01:01:04,008 --> 01:01:05,308
and nobody else,
and nobody ever--nobody said,
1627
01:01:05,444 --> 01:01:07,454
"Nobody ever
signed the other..."
1628
01:01:07,576 --> 01:01:09,486
- All right, if they had said,
"Hey, what--what's going on?"
1629
01:01:09,622 --> 01:01:12,062
would you have copped to it?
Would you have said,
1630
01:01:12,190 --> 01:01:13,370
"Well, you didn't tell me--"
- I don't know what
1631
01:01:13,495 --> 01:01:15,925
I would've done,
and I went through
1632
01:01:16,063 --> 01:01:18,113
all of that stuff
to get the tax abatements
1633
01:01:18,239 --> 01:01:20,069
that had never been given
in the history of New York
1634
01:01:20,198 --> 01:01:21,198
'cause the city
was in trouble, right?
1635
01:01:21,329 --> 01:01:22,849
Where did you hear that story?
1636
01:01:22,983 --> 01:01:25,203
- I... got my in--sources.
1637
01:01:25,333 --> 01:01:28,693
♪
1638
01:01:28,815 --> 01:01:30,205
- It's really the model
1639
01:01:30,338 --> 01:01:32,338
that sets up
everything that follows,
1640
01:01:32,471 --> 01:01:35,471
the idea of playing
one player against the other,
1641
01:01:35,604 --> 01:01:38,964
a fair bit of hucksterism
mixed with some business savvy
1642
01:01:39,086 --> 01:01:41,046
to create the buzz, the PR.
1643
01:01:41,175 --> 01:01:43,995
All of that sense
of Trump as a force
1644
01:01:44,135 --> 01:01:45,215
comes out of the Hyatt deal.
1645
01:01:45,353 --> 01:01:47,973
♪
1646
01:01:48,095 --> 01:01:49,875
- Amid a lot of fanfare,
1647
01:01:50,010 --> 01:01:52,450
the Grand Hyatt held
its grand opening today.
1648
01:01:52,578 --> 01:01:53,968
The mayor and the governor
of New York
1649
01:01:54,101 --> 01:01:55,231
were among those on hand
1650
01:01:55,363 --> 01:01:57,193
for the ribbon-cutting.
1651
01:01:57,322 --> 01:01:58,982
[cheers and applause]
1652
01:01:59,106 --> 01:02:00,666
- Hyatt Regency
1653
01:02:00,804 --> 01:02:02,854
is now an architectural gem
1654
01:02:02,980 --> 01:02:04,720
for all the world to see.
1655
01:02:04,851 --> 01:02:06,901
- Hyatt is a fantastic outfit,
1656
01:02:07,027 --> 01:02:08,287
and all of this
is going to combine
1657
01:02:08,420 --> 01:02:10,070
to make probably
the most successful hotel--
1658
01:02:10,204 --> 01:02:11,084
one of them--in the country,
we feel.
1659
01:02:11,205 --> 01:02:13,985
- It was fabulous.
1660
01:02:14,121 --> 01:02:16,041
He did it fast
and he did it efficient.
1661
01:02:16,167 --> 01:02:17,727
♪
1662
01:02:17,864 --> 01:02:20,264
It really gave him
a sense of pride
1663
01:02:20,388 --> 01:02:22,998
and a sense that he knew
1664
01:02:23,130 --> 01:02:25,180
exactly what he was doing.
1665
01:02:25,306 --> 01:02:27,176
The Commodore
was the stepping stone
1666
01:02:27,308 --> 01:02:28,788
to the Trump Tower.
1667
01:02:28,919 --> 01:02:30,309
♪
1668
01:02:34,794 --> 01:02:36,274
- Friend of mine
in the real estate industry
1669
01:02:36,404 --> 01:02:38,494
said "You have
the greatest ability
1670
01:02:38,624 --> 01:02:39,934
"to get great locations
1671
01:02:40,060 --> 01:02:41,450
of any human being
I've ever seen."
1672
01:02:41,583 --> 01:02:42,673
It's true.
1673
01:02:42,802 --> 01:02:44,672
No matter what it is,
1674
01:02:44,804 --> 01:02:46,684
if you look
at any of my projects,
1675
01:02:46,806 --> 01:02:48,156
I have the best locations.
1676
01:02:48,286 --> 01:02:51,806
♪
1677
01:02:51,942 --> 01:02:53,902
- One day, so the story goes,
1678
01:02:54,031 --> 01:02:57,381
Donald is looking
for an ideal location
1679
01:02:57,512 --> 01:03:00,912
to put up what would become
a signature project.
1680
01:03:01,038 --> 01:03:03,478
He's criss-crossing Manhattan
in his car,
1681
01:03:03,605 --> 01:03:05,825
looking for
that ideal situation.
1682
01:03:05,956 --> 01:03:07,826
♪
1683
01:03:07,958 --> 01:03:09,608
- Suddenly, reaching
the corner
1684
01:03:09,742 --> 01:03:12,482
of Fifth Avenue
and 56th Street,
1685
01:03:12,614 --> 01:03:15,444
and noticing
the Bonwit Teller building,
1686
01:03:15,574 --> 01:03:19,804
an old Art Deco
ten-story department store.
1687
01:03:19,926 --> 01:03:21,746
Here is the opportunity
1688
01:03:21,885 --> 01:03:23,405
Donald is looking for,
1689
01:03:23,538 --> 01:03:25,368
and it is at that corner
1690
01:03:25,497 --> 01:03:26,977
that he decides
1691
01:03:27,107 --> 01:03:28,847
"This is where I'm going
to stake my future."
1692
01:03:28,979 --> 01:03:30,499
♪
1693
01:03:30,632 --> 01:03:33,332
- The finest piece
of real estate,
1694
01:03:33,461 --> 01:03:34,941
considered to be
the finest piece of real estate
1695
01:03:35,072 --> 01:03:36,812
in the world, is at the corner
1696
01:03:36,943 --> 01:03:38,683
of Fifth Avenue
and 57th Street.
1697
01:03:38,815 --> 01:03:42,205
That's the Tiffany corner
of the world.
1698
01:03:42,340 --> 01:03:43,730
- "The New York Times"
is reporting
1699
01:03:43,863 --> 01:03:46,433
that Bonwit's is being sold
to Donald Trump,
1700
01:03:46,561 --> 01:03:48,831
and that the store
could be closed by July.
1701
01:03:48,955 --> 01:03:50,565
♪
1702
01:03:50,696 --> 01:03:52,256
- Bonwit gives him a six-month
1703
01:03:52,393 --> 01:03:53,833
$25 million--the option
1704
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:55,920
to purchase the property.
1705
01:03:56,049 --> 01:03:58,179
He was constantly
borrowing money
1706
01:03:58,312 --> 01:03:59,842
from his father
during this period
1707
01:03:59,966 --> 01:04:02,396
and he had to get
a partner
1708
01:04:02,534 --> 01:04:03,714
Equitable bank,
1709
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:05,540
because he can't do this alone.
1710
01:04:05,667 --> 01:04:07,317
♪
1711
01:04:07,452 --> 01:04:08,712
He just doesn't have
the money
1712
01:04:08,845 --> 01:04:11,195
to build his signature tower.
1713
01:04:11,325 --> 01:04:12,845
♪
1714
01:04:12,979 --> 01:04:14,849
So now he's got a mortgage,
1715
01:04:14,981 --> 01:04:16,771
the interest clock
is ticking,
1716
01:04:16,896 --> 01:04:18,586
he's got a partner
1717
01:04:18,724 --> 01:04:20,294
that's taking the bulk
of the profits.
1718
01:04:20,421 --> 01:04:22,641
He needs every little bit
of help
1719
01:04:22,771 --> 01:04:24,431
that he thinks he can get,
1720
01:04:24,556 --> 01:04:28,076
so he, again,
latched onto tax breaks.
1721
01:04:28,212 --> 01:04:29,172
♪
1722
01:04:29,300 --> 01:04:30,870
- Donald Trump now faces
1723
01:04:30,997 --> 01:04:32,647
the biggest skirmish
in his battle
1724
01:04:32,781 --> 01:04:34,611
to build Trump Tower.
1725
01:04:34,740 --> 01:04:36,610
He's going to come
into conflict
1726
01:04:36,742 --> 01:04:38,572
with the mayor
of New York City.
1727
01:04:38,700 --> 01:04:40,310
- The positions that I take
1728
01:04:40,441 --> 01:04:41,791
are not ideological.
1729
01:04:41,921 --> 01:04:43,621
They are reasonable,
they are sensible,
1730
01:04:43,749 --> 01:04:46,709
and that's why people
support me.
1731
01:04:46,839 --> 01:04:49,489
- Look, Ed Koch was
a totally overrated mayor.
1732
01:04:49,624 --> 01:04:50,764
He was a bad guy--
- A few times, you said--
1733
01:04:50,887 --> 01:04:52,537
- And you can quote me.
- Right.
1734
01:04:52,671 --> 01:04:54,411
- Ed Koch was a bad guy.
He was a total bully.
1735
01:04:54,542 --> 01:04:55,802
All Ed Koch
was concerned about
1736
01:04:55,935 --> 01:04:57,105
was press.
1737
01:04:57,241 --> 01:04:58,681
In other words,
1738
01:04:58,807 --> 01:05:01,327
he wanted to make sure
he looked good.
1739
01:05:01,462 --> 01:05:03,772
Ed, go [bleep] yourself.
You're a piece of [bleep].
1740
01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:07,600
♪
1741
01:05:07,729 --> 01:05:11,599
- The city was offering
tax breaks to developers,
1742
01:05:11,733 --> 01:05:12,913
but they were not thinking
1743
01:05:13,039 --> 01:05:14,649
that this is
the kind of tax break
1744
01:05:14,780 --> 01:05:17,390
they would give away
for luxury apartments.
1745
01:05:17,522 --> 01:05:19,262
- This was a program
that would be used
1746
01:05:19,393 --> 01:05:21,183
to turn a vacant lot
1747
01:05:21,308 --> 01:05:22,348
into an apartment building
1748
01:05:22,483 --> 01:05:24,623
for the middle class.
1749
01:05:24,746 --> 01:05:26,396
- But here comes
this application
1750
01:05:26,531 --> 01:05:28,271
from Donald Trump,
1751
01:05:28,402 --> 01:05:30,452
and the city turns him down.
1752
01:05:30,578 --> 01:05:32,278
He's outraged.
1753
01:05:32,406 --> 01:05:33,706
Trump sues the city,
1754
01:05:33,842 --> 01:05:35,632
so now he's at loggerheads
1755
01:05:35,757 --> 01:05:37,717
with the Koch administration,
1756
01:05:37,846 --> 01:05:40,586
and that potentially meant
a long battle
1757
01:05:40,719 --> 01:05:42,199
that could go on for years.
1758
01:05:42,329 --> 01:05:45,029
♪
1759
01:05:45,158 --> 01:05:46,938
- One of the beneficiaries
of the abatements
1760
01:05:47,073 --> 01:05:49,253
is real estate developer
Donald Trump.
1761
01:05:49,380 --> 01:05:50,730
- I was entitled
to that abatement,
1762
01:05:50,859 --> 01:05:53,079
and I am by law
entitled to that abatement.
1763
01:05:53,210 --> 01:05:54,340
- Councilman Henry Stern
1764
01:05:54,472 --> 01:05:55,862
and Councilman
Robert Wagner Jr.
1765
01:05:55,995 --> 01:05:58,475
opposed it as an excessive gift
of public funds.
1766
01:05:58,606 --> 01:05:59,606
♪
1767
01:05:59,738 --> 01:06:00,868
I did a weekly show
1768
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:02,260
between Ruth Messenger,
1769
01:06:02,393 --> 01:06:03,873
who's the city council member
1770
01:06:04,003 --> 01:06:05,743
who was very much against
1771
01:06:05,874 --> 01:06:08,274
giving any tax breaks
to businessmen,
1772
01:06:08,399 --> 01:06:10,099
particularly businessmen
like him,
1773
01:06:10,227 --> 01:06:11,177
Donald Trump,
1774
01:06:11,315 --> 01:06:12,655
and Trump believed
1775
01:06:12,794 --> 01:06:14,494
in tax breaks,
particularly for him.
1776
01:06:14,622 --> 01:06:16,762
- The program has become
1777
01:06:16,885 --> 01:06:18,665
a corporate welfare program.
1778
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:19,930
- I really think,
before you make
1779
01:06:20,063 --> 01:06:21,153
those statements on the air,
1780
01:06:21,281 --> 01:06:22,501
that you should go back
1781
01:06:22,630 --> 01:06:23,980
and check your facts
and figures.
1782
01:06:24,110 --> 01:06:26,240
- Donald, the statute says
very specifically
1783
01:06:26,373 --> 01:06:27,903
that in order to qualify,
1784
01:06:28,027 --> 01:06:29,587
the site on which
the residential building
1785
01:06:29,724 --> 01:06:30,734
is going up
1786
01:06:30,856 --> 01:06:32,246
is either vacant,
1787
01:06:32,379 --> 01:06:33,599
predominantly vacant,
1788
01:06:33,728 --> 01:06:34,898
or underutilized.
The site on which--
1789
01:06:35,034 --> 01:06:36,124
- You don't think
a ten-story building
1790
01:06:36,253 --> 01:06:37,523
is an underutilization
1791
01:06:37,645 --> 01:06:38,685
when I'm building
a 68-story building?
1792
01:06:38,820 --> 01:06:39,730
- Absolutely not.
- Oh, I see.
1793
01:06:39,865 --> 01:06:40,735
Okay, okay.
- Correct.
1794
01:06:40,866 --> 01:06:41,816
Tell me about it, dear.
1795
01:06:41,954 --> 01:06:43,564
- I had the grand time
1796
01:06:43,695 --> 01:06:45,995
between these two.
It was a knife fight.
1797
01:06:46,132 --> 01:06:47,742
- Ruth, I'd like you to--
- We deny the benefit.
1798
01:06:47,873 --> 01:06:49,353
- This ridiculous.
To listen to this is just--
1799
01:06:49,483 --> 01:06:50,483
- I mean, look,
at the end of the day,
1800
01:06:50,615 --> 01:06:51,875
there's a toughness to him.
1801
01:06:52,008 --> 01:06:54,228
I mean,
this is a very tough guy.
1802
01:06:54,358 --> 01:06:55,578
I mean, he can take
a lot of bullets.
1803
01:06:55,707 --> 01:06:57,187
He can catch bullets
in his teeth.
1804
01:06:57,317 --> 01:06:58,487
He can eat broken glass.
1805
01:06:58,623 --> 01:07:00,633
A punch-back
sort of a person
1806
01:07:00,755 --> 01:07:02,575
with a armadillo skin.
1807
01:07:02,714 --> 01:07:03,894
- This is just so ridiculous.
1808
01:07:04,020 --> 01:07:04,800
You've asked me
onto a program
1809
01:07:04,933 --> 01:07:06,153
I'm supposed to be,
1810
01:07:06,283 --> 01:07:07,283
and I listen to this, that--
1811
01:07:07,414 --> 01:07:08,504
- It's a calling card.
1812
01:07:08,633 --> 01:07:10,903
Attack the person personally.
1813
01:07:11,027 --> 01:07:12,717
Don't give them a quarter.
Don't be nice.
1814
01:07:12,854 --> 01:07:14,684
Don't be reasonable.
Attack them.
1815
01:07:14,813 --> 01:07:16,253
You have to destroy them,
1816
01:07:16,380 --> 01:07:17,380
because they're gonna
destroy you.
1817
01:07:17,511 --> 01:07:19,041
- If you spent the same time
1818
01:07:19,165 --> 01:07:20,555
trying to clean up our subways
and clean up
1819
01:07:20,688 --> 01:07:22,648
the city of crime--
- I do.
1820
01:07:22,777 --> 01:07:24,297
- Well, I don't know
that you do, or if you do,
1821
01:07:24,431 --> 01:07:26,221
you're certainly doing
a very ineffective job.
1822
01:07:26,346 --> 01:07:28,476
♪
1823
01:07:28,609 --> 01:07:32,569
- Sound familiar?
1824
01:07:32,700 --> 01:07:35,750
♪
1825
01:07:35,877 --> 01:07:38,577
- When Trump finally got
all the permissions he needed
1826
01:07:38,706 --> 01:07:40,396
and was ready to roll
on the construction
1827
01:07:40,534 --> 01:07:42,544
of Trump Tower,
his pride and joy,
1828
01:07:42,667 --> 01:07:44,667
he needed to get someone
1829
01:07:44,799 --> 01:07:46,319
who actually knows
how to build a building.
1830
01:07:46,453 --> 01:07:48,503
- Donald and I
sort of worked together
1831
01:07:48,629 --> 01:07:50,149
while I was working
on the Hyatt.
1832
01:07:50,283 --> 01:07:51,553
I was at a fundraiser
with my husband,
1833
01:07:51,676 --> 01:07:53,286
and he said to my husband,
1834
01:07:53,417 --> 01:07:55,457
uh, "I'm gonna hire her.
She's gonna work for me.
1835
01:07:55,593 --> 01:07:57,423
I'm gonna double her salary,"
[laughs]
1836
01:07:57,551 --> 01:07:59,551
and that's how I learned
about Trump Tower.
1837
01:07:59,684 --> 01:08:01,644
♪
1838
01:08:01,773 --> 01:08:03,513
- She was the first woman
to run the construction
1839
01:08:03,644 --> 01:08:06,344
of a major skyscraper.
1840
01:08:06,473 --> 01:08:08,173
Trump was always proud
of the fact
1841
01:08:08,301 --> 01:08:09,611
that he'd put a woman
in that position
1842
01:08:09,737 --> 01:08:11,257
and entrusted her
1843
01:08:11,391 --> 01:08:13,131
with this project
from beginning to end.
1844
01:08:13,263 --> 01:08:14,793
♪
1845
01:08:14,916 --> 01:08:16,436
- Barbara Res
had a very tough job.
1846
01:08:16,569 --> 01:08:19,139
It was a culture
of macho men.
1847
01:08:19,269 --> 01:08:21,619
A lot of these guys
are chauvinistic pigs,
1848
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:24,709
you know, to be quite honest.
1849
01:08:24,839 --> 01:08:27,099
- There were no women
in the construction industry.
1850
01:08:27,233 --> 01:08:28,673
You could count them
on one hand,
1851
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:30,500
er, and even if you lost
a few fingers.
1852
01:08:30,628 --> 01:08:32,238
♪
1853
01:08:32,369 --> 01:08:33,809
He said something to me.
1854
01:08:33,934 --> 01:08:36,114
He said, "Men are better
than women,
1855
01:08:36,242 --> 01:08:37,642
"but a good woman
1856
01:08:37,764 --> 01:08:39,464
is better than ten good men,"
1857
01:08:39,593 --> 01:08:41,473
and he meant that
as a compliment.
1858
01:08:41,594 --> 01:08:43,124
♪
1859
01:08:43,249 --> 01:08:46,379
Donald trusted me implicitly,
1860
01:08:46,513 --> 01:08:48,473
and he respected people
1861
01:08:48,602 --> 01:08:50,602
that told him things
the way they were,
1862
01:08:50,735 --> 01:08:52,425
and it was not easy
to do that,
1863
01:08:52,563 --> 01:08:53,433
because when you stood up
to him,
1864
01:08:53,564 --> 01:08:55,174
you got--you got hammered.
1865
01:08:55,305 --> 01:08:57,125
♪
1866
01:08:57,263 --> 01:08:59,003
He said to me, "You know,
you're a killer,"
1867
01:08:59,135 --> 01:09:00,305
and--[laughs]
1868
01:09:00,440 --> 01:09:01,700
I later learned that his father
1869
01:09:01,833 --> 01:09:04,143
actually used that expression
with him,
1870
01:09:04,270 --> 01:09:05,880
that people should be killers.
1871
01:09:06,011 --> 01:09:08,411
♪
1872
01:09:08,535 --> 01:09:10,275
I thought, and I quickly
confirmed it--
1873
01:09:10,407 --> 01:09:12,277
he was very inexperienced.
1874
01:09:12,408 --> 01:09:15,148
He really didn't know much
about construction at all,
1875
01:09:15,281 --> 01:09:17,721
but I thought that he
was intelligent.
1876
01:09:17,849 --> 01:09:19,369
Didn't have to tell him
a hundred times,
1877
01:09:19,503 --> 01:09:20,683
and with him,
that was a good thing,
1878
01:09:20,808 --> 01:09:22,378
'cause he could only
listen once,
1879
01:09:22,505 --> 01:09:24,065
if you were lucky,
and you got him to listen
1880
01:09:24,202 --> 01:09:25,422
to a whole story.
1881
01:09:25,551 --> 01:09:29,081
♪
1882
01:09:29,208 --> 01:09:31,428
- Once the project
got the green light,
1883
01:09:31,558 --> 01:09:33,558
Donald Trump confronted
the next problem,
1884
01:09:33,691 --> 01:09:35,741
which was, "How do we take down
1885
01:09:35,867 --> 01:09:38,567
this ten-story
department store?"
1886
01:09:38,696 --> 01:09:41,606
- Most famously, that building
had this facade
1887
01:09:41,742 --> 01:09:43,882
of gorgeous sculptures
1888
01:09:44,005 --> 01:09:46,615
that were the hallmark
of Bonwit Teller,
1889
01:09:46,746 --> 01:09:49,446
one of the most prized
architectural features
1890
01:09:49,576 --> 01:09:51,226
on Fifth Avenue.
1891
01:09:51,361 --> 01:09:53,971
- These stone relief sculptures
1892
01:09:54,102 --> 01:09:55,542
at the top of the building
1893
01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:58,369
were very stylized,
1894
01:09:58,498 --> 01:10:00,588
very naked, dancers
1895
01:10:00,718 --> 01:10:02,938
with long scarves.
1896
01:10:03,068 --> 01:10:04,158
♪
1897
01:10:04,287 --> 01:10:05,417
- Trump made a deal
1898
01:10:05,549 --> 01:10:08,379
to remove this piece of art
1899
01:10:08,508 --> 01:10:10,598
carefully from the façade
of the building
1900
01:10:10,728 --> 01:10:12,728
and give it to
the Metropolitan Museum of Art,
1901
01:10:12,860 --> 01:10:14,430
and this would be a compromise.
1902
01:10:14,558 --> 01:10:17,208
The--the great landmark art
would be saved,
1903
01:10:17,343 --> 01:10:18,523
and Trump would be able
to go ahead
1904
01:10:18,648 --> 01:10:19,608
and demolish the building.
1905
01:10:19,737 --> 01:10:26,697
♪
1906
01:10:28,353 --> 01:10:30,753
In order to get
the demolition done cheaply,
1907
01:10:30,878 --> 01:10:33,578
Donald Trump,
as he often did, found
1908
01:10:33,707 --> 01:10:35,617
the lowest-bidding company
he could.
1909
01:10:35,753 --> 01:10:39,023
- He hired a Polish
demolition company
1910
01:10:39,147 --> 01:10:41,587
which turned out to employ
1911
01:10:41,715 --> 01:10:44,145
immigrants who were
undocumented.
1912
01:10:44,282 --> 01:10:45,812
- They were being paid,
essentially,
1913
01:10:45,937 --> 01:10:48,637
less than $5 an hour,
when they got cash,
1914
01:10:48,766 --> 01:10:50,416
'cause some of them said
they were being paid in vodka.
1915
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:52,340
♪
1916
01:10:52,465 --> 01:10:54,635
They did the work--
12- to 18-hour days.
1917
01:10:54,772 --> 01:10:57,212
- And it's dangerous,
dirty work.
1918
01:10:57,340 --> 01:10:59,730
You're dismantling concrete,
1919
01:10:59,864 --> 01:11:02,264
debris falling down on you.
1920
01:11:02,388 --> 01:11:03,648
- They had nowhere to live.
1921
01:11:03,781 --> 01:11:05,351
They were sleeping
on the floor
1922
01:11:05,478 --> 01:11:07,868
of the Bonwit Teller store
at night.
1923
01:11:08,002 --> 01:11:11,352
- And all of this was done
at breakneck pace.
1924
01:11:11,484 --> 01:11:13,574
♪
1925
01:11:13,704 --> 01:11:15,624
- And then one afternoon,
one of the directors
1926
01:11:15,749 --> 01:11:17,059
of the Metropolitan Museum
of Art
1927
01:11:17,184 --> 01:11:18,404
gets a call at her office,
1928
01:11:18,535 --> 01:11:20,145
and she's told
1929
01:11:20,276 --> 01:11:22,366
Donald Trump is destroying
the frieze.
1930
01:11:22,495 --> 01:11:24,575
♪
1931
01:11:24,715 --> 01:11:26,405
- I got into a taxi,
1932
01:11:26,543 --> 01:11:29,073
got into a classic
1933
01:11:29,197 --> 01:11:31,677
New York City traffic jam.
1934
01:11:31,809 --> 01:11:34,159
I was nine months pregnant
at the time...
1935
01:11:34,290 --> 01:11:35,420
♪
1936
01:11:35,552 --> 01:11:36,772
But I got out of the cab
1937
01:11:36,901 --> 01:11:38,291
and I ran for ten blocks.
1938
01:11:38,424 --> 01:11:41,254
I'll never forget that run.
1939
01:11:41,384 --> 01:11:43,174
Got out on 56th Street.
1940
01:11:43,299 --> 01:11:46,259
♪
1941
01:11:46,389 --> 01:11:49,169
[debris clattering]
1942
01:11:49,305 --> 01:11:51,215
♪
1943
01:11:51,350 --> 01:11:54,350
And we watched them
being jackhammered.
1944
01:11:54,484 --> 01:11:59,054
♪
1945
01:11:59,184 --> 01:12:01,494
I was furious.
[laughs]
1946
01:12:01,621 --> 01:12:06,061
♪
1947
01:12:06,191 --> 01:12:08,021
The Trump Organization
1948
01:12:08,148 --> 01:12:10,718
could've asked the Met
for help
1949
01:12:10,848 --> 01:12:14,198
in taking the pieces down
and removing them...
1950
01:12:14,330 --> 01:12:15,200
♪
1951
01:12:15,331 --> 01:12:16,381
And they didn't.
1952
01:12:16,505 --> 01:12:19,725
♪
1953
01:12:19,857 --> 01:12:21,117
- You were recently the object
1954
01:12:21,249 --> 01:12:22,509
of a lot of controversy
1955
01:12:22,642 --> 01:12:23,952
because you ordered destroyed
1956
01:12:24,077 --> 01:12:25,467
some sculptures on the--
1957
01:12:25,602 --> 01:12:27,132
a building that you bought
1958
01:12:27,255 --> 01:12:28,555
that the Metropolitan
Art Museum wanted.
1959
01:12:28,692 --> 01:12:30,222
Why did you have those
destroyed, first of all,
1960
01:12:30,346 --> 01:12:31,606
and what happens
to the look of the city?
1961
01:12:31,737 --> 01:12:33,697
- As an art building,
or an Art Deco building,
1962
01:12:33,827 --> 01:12:35,657
it really was not worth
very much,
1963
01:12:35,786 --> 01:12:37,256
and we did take it down,
1964
01:12:37,396 --> 01:12:38,616
and there was somewhat
of an outcry,
1965
01:12:38,745 --> 01:12:41,045
but I think
that's generally subsided.
1966
01:12:41,182 --> 01:12:42,752
♪
1967
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:44,400
- He gets a bunch
of bad publicity,
1968
01:12:44,534 --> 01:12:45,934
but in his mind,
it's all good publicity,
1969
01:12:46,057 --> 01:12:49,227
because here he's seen
as this force of progress,
1970
01:12:49,365 --> 01:12:52,795
this guy who's bulling his way
through all this red tape
1971
01:12:52,933 --> 01:12:55,073
and all these fussy
artist types
1972
01:12:55,196 --> 01:12:57,196
in order to get
his building built,
1973
01:12:57,329 --> 01:13:00,069
and to k--get the commerce
of New York moving again.
1974
01:13:02,202 --> 01:13:03,642
- Very carefully,
Donald is putting
1975
01:13:03,770 --> 01:13:05,380
all the pieces in place
1976
01:13:05,511 --> 01:13:07,511
for this signature project,
1977
01:13:07,644 --> 01:13:11,044
but he's also borrowing money
all over the place.
1978
01:13:11,169 --> 01:13:12,519
While he often portrays himself
1979
01:13:12,648 --> 01:13:14,168
as sort of a self-made man,
1980
01:13:14,302 --> 01:13:15,572
the only money he had
1981
01:13:15,695 --> 01:13:17,475
is what he borrowed
from his father.
1982
01:13:17,610 --> 01:13:20,400
- Fred Trump was nervous.
1983
01:13:20,526 --> 01:13:22,396
He was co-signing
all the loans.
1984
01:13:22,528 --> 01:13:24,268
He was the one.
It was his money.
1985
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:25,710
♪
1986
01:13:25,835 --> 01:13:28,055
- Fred Trump was involved
1987
01:13:28,186 --> 01:13:29,616
in the Trump Tower project.
1988
01:13:29,753 --> 01:13:31,803
That's how I met him.
I remember, he was--
1989
01:13:31,929 --> 01:13:34,019
he didn't like me.
I'm--let's put this way.
1990
01:13:34,148 --> 01:13:36,058
He hated me.
1991
01:13:36,193 --> 01:13:37,853
He hated the very notion
1992
01:13:37,978 --> 01:13:40,068
that a woman would be working
in construction
1993
01:13:40,198 --> 01:13:42,028
to begin with, and much less
1994
01:13:42,156 --> 01:13:43,066
be in charge of a project
1995
01:13:43,201 --> 01:13:44,771
that was his son's project,
1996
01:13:44,898 --> 01:13:47,508
so, uh, we were like,
"Ah! Ah!"
1997
01:13:47,639 --> 01:13:49,469
He would say,
"Oh, no, that's all wrong.
1998
01:13:49,599 --> 01:13:51,599
You don't know
what you're doing."
1999
01:13:51,731 --> 01:13:53,521
But I went to Donald.
I said,
2000
01:13:53,646 --> 01:13:55,336
"You've got to get your fathr
off of my back.
2001
01:13:55,474 --> 01:13:57,524
He's driving me crazy,"
and he--he said to me,
2002
01:13:57,650 --> 01:14:00,780
"Suck it up, baby,"
in so many words,
2003
01:14:00,914 --> 01:14:03,924
because, you know, he was
putting up with him, too.
2004
01:14:04,048 --> 01:14:05,568
♪
2005
01:14:05,702 --> 01:14:07,092
- Most buildings, by the time
2006
01:14:07,225 --> 01:14:08,525
the Trump Tower was built,
2007
01:14:08,661 --> 01:14:11,451
were using steel
to put structures up,
2008
01:14:11,577 --> 01:14:13,837
and what was unusual
about Trump Tower
2009
01:14:13,971 --> 01:14:16,671
was that it was largely built
out of concrete.
2010
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:18,760
♪
2011
01:14:18,889 --> 01:14:20,629
- What we were doing was
what's called a fast track,
2012
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:22,410
which is you build it
2013
01:14:22,545 --> 01:14:24,845
before it's
completely designed,
2014
01:14:24,982 --> 01:14:27,252
and it was a concrete building,
which was great,
2015
01:14:27,375 --> 01:14:29,855
because you design it one day,
and you can pour it the next.
2016
01:14:29,987 --> 01:14:31,287
♪
2017
01:14:31,423 --> 01:14:33,213
- Most of the contracting
2018
01:14:33,338 --> 01:14:34,638
in the construction industry
in New York
2019
01:14:34,773 --> 01:14:36,993
was controlled,
to a large extent,
2020
01:14:37,124 --> 01:14:38,434
by the mob,
2021
01:14:38,561 --> 01:14:40,561
specifically
the concrete business.
2022
01:14:40,693 --> 01:14:43,523
- Business that you could call
Mafia, Inc.
2023
01:14:43,653 --> 01:14:44,743
- They are said to run
the most powerful
2024
01:14:44,871 --> 01:14:46,131
crime families in New York.
2025
01:14:46,264 --> 01:14:47,534
- Federal investigators say
2026
01:14:47,657 --> 01:14:49,217
the mob controls
the concrete workers
2027
01:14:49,353 --> 01:14:50,533
in the construction industry.
2028
01:14:50,660 --> 01:14:51,970
♪
2029
01:14:52,096 --> 01:14:53,486
- My name is Michael Franzese,
2030
01:14:53,619 --> 01:14:55,059
and, uh, you can call me
Michael.
2031
01:14:55,186 --> 01:14:56,056
That's fine.
2032
01:14:58,798 --> 01:15:00,148
- You know, former caporegime
2033
01:15:00,278 --> 01:15:01,498
in the Colombo crime family
2034
01:15:01,627 --> 01:15:03,147
is, uh, a normal moniker
for me,
2035
01:15:03,281 --> 01:15:05,331
and, uh,
2036
01:15:05,457 --> 01:15:07,847
I guess for this purpose,
2037
01:15:07,981 --> 01:15:10,381
it's probably the best way
to address it.
2038
01:15:10,505 --> 01:15:12,725
♪
2039
01:15:12,856 --> 01:15:14,466
Basically, the mob controlled
2040
01:15:14,597 --> 01:15:15,677
all the concrete business
2041
01:15:15,815 --> 01:15:17,335
in the city of New York.
2042
01:15:17,469 --> 01:15:19,249
♪
2043
01:15:19,384 --> 01:15:21,694
Because Trump Tower
was a concrete building,
2044
01:15:21,821 --> 01:15:24,041
you know, it was a big score
for us guys.
2045
01:15:24,171 --> 01:15:25,701
♪
2046
01:15:25,825 --> 01:15:27,255
You know, and I want
to be clear.
2047
01:15:27,392 --> 01:15:28,702
I'm not saying that, you know,
2048
01:15:28,827 --> 01:15:30,607
Trump was in bed
with the mob.
2049
01:15:30,743 --> 01:15:33,053
I'm not saying
that he was one of our guys,
2050
01:15:33,180 --> 01:15:34,660
but he certainly had
a deal with us.
2051
01:15:34,791 --> 01:15:36,311
I mean, he didn't have
a choice,
2052
01:15:36,443 --> 01:15:38,713
so in that regard, he did.
2053
01:15:38,838 --> 01:15:40,798
♪
2054
01:15:40,927 --> 01:15:44,577
- In 1982, there was
a major stoppage
2055
01:15:44,714 --> 01:15:46,674
among all
the concrete providers.
2056
01:15:46,803 --> 01:15:48,333
- Everybody's worried.
2057
01:15:48,456 --> 01:15:50,326
A lot of developers
are in a bind now.
2058
01:15:50,458 --> 01:15:52,328
There's a delay
in their construction.
2059
01:15:52,460 --> 01:15:54,160
- When it occurred,
we were in the process
2060
01:15:54,288 --> 01:15:55,418
of pouring concrete
2061
01:15:55,550 --> 01:15:57,070
to get the main structure up,
2062
01:15:57,204 --> 01:15:59,084
and every day that you lose
2063
01:15:59,206 --> 01:16:00,766
that goes by is a day delayed,
2064
01:16:00,904 --> 01:16:02,694
and, uh, it costs money
for Donald,
2065
01:16:02,818 --> 01:16:04,688
- They're not gonna beat us.
2066
01:16:04,821 --> 01:16:06,691
I mean, we can hold out
as long as we wanna hold out,
2067
01:16:06,823 --> 01:16:09,303
so, you know, eventually,
they have to come around.
2068
01:16:09,434 --> 01:16:11,614
♪
2069
01:16:11,741 --> 01:16:14,261
- John Cody was a union boss
2070
01:16:14,395 --> 01:16:17,265
who lived
on the dividing line
2071
01:16:17,398 --> 01:16:20,228
between the union
and the mob.
2072
01:16:20,358 --> 01:16:23,488
Cody was a guy who could make
things go well for you,
2073
01:16:23,621 --> 01:16:25,621
or he could make things
go poorly for you.
2074
01:16:25,755 --> 01:16:27,575
♪
2075
01:16:27,713 --> 01:16:29,673
- It's an interesting questin
as to why,
2076
01:16:29,802 --> 01:16:32,282
when every other developer
in New York
2077
01:16:32,413 --> 01:16:34,153
can't get access to concrete,
2078
01:16:34,285 --> 01:16:36,065
Donald Trump is still able
2079
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:37,460
to just move along swimmingly.
2080
01:16:37,593 --> 01:16:39,333
♪
2081
01:16:39,464 --> 01:16:41,294
- One of the things
that Cody was able
2082
01:16:41,422 --> 01:16:43,512
to do for Trump was make sure
2083
01:16:43,642 --> 01:16:45,732
that drivers continued
to deliver
2084
01:16:45,862 --> 01:16:47,302
concrete to the site.
2085
01:16:47,428 --> 01:16:51,558
♪
2086
01:16:51,693 --> 01:16:54,173
- You have to be able to deal
with many different things
2087
01:16:54,305 --> 01:16:57,395
to be able to be
a successful developer.
2088
01:16:57,525 --> 01:16:59,695
You have to be able to deal
with the unions.
2089
01:16:59,832 --> 01:17:03,492
- And concrete guys
who are mobbed-up.
2090
01:17:03,619 --> 01:17:05,139
- You have to get--
you get along
2091
01:17:05,272 --> 01:17:06,492
with these people.
You had no choice.
2092
01:17:06,621 --> 01:17:08,191
There's nobody else to do it.
2093
01:17:08,318 --> 01:17:10,228
♪
2094
01:17:10,364 --> 01:17:12,284
- Trump struck a deal
2095
01:17:12,410 --> 01:17:13,980
with John Cody,
2096
01:17:14,107 --> 01:17:15,667
and Mr. Cody was able
2097
01:17:15,805 --> 01:17:18,325
to get an apartment
for his mistress
2098
01:17:18,459 --> 01:17:19,639
in Trump Tower.
2099
01:17:19,764 --> 01:17:21,554
♪
2100
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:24,160
- She was given
a very prominent apartment
2101
01:17:24,291 --> 01:17:26,471
on a high floor
of Trump Tower,
2102
01:17:26,598 --> 01:17:28,728
and she had one demand,
2103
01:17:28,861 --> 01:17:30,251
and that was she wanted
2104
01:17:30,384 --> 01:17:31,824
a swimming pool
in her apartment.
2105
01:17:31,951 --> 01:17:34,261
Trump Tower did not come
with a swimming pool.
2106
01:17:34,388 --> 01:17:35,478
♪
2107
01:17:35,607 --> 01:17:37,257
So Trump went in and had
2108
01:17:37,391 --> 01:17:39,221
that part of the building
reinforced
2109
01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:41,350
so that it could hold
the weight
2110
01:17:41,482 --> 01:17:43,222
of a swimming pool
and all the water in it.
2111
01:17:43,353 --> 01:17:45,753
♪
2112
01:17:45,878 --> 01:17:49,528
- This is the world
Trump operated in...
2113
01:17:49,665 --> 01:17:50,615
♪
2114
01:17:50,753 --> 01:17:52,623
And shortly before
2115
01:17:52,755 --> 01:17:55,015
Trump Tower was finished,
2116
01:17:55,148 --> 01:17:57,148
Cody was convicted
of racketeering
2117
01:17:57,281 --> 01:17:58,201
and sent to prison.
2118
01:17:58,325 --> 01:18:01,365
♪
2119
01:18:01,502 --> 01:18:03,642
- I don't like getting close
to people like that,
2120
01:18:03,766 --> 01:18:05,766
but they respected me.
2121
01:18:05,898 --> 01:18:08,118
- And a lot of this
is relationships.
2122
01:18:08,248 --> 01:18:10,078
- A lot of it is re--
well, a lot of life
2123
01:18:10,207 --> 01:18:11,637
is relationship--a lot
of what I've done
2124
01:18:11,773 --> 01:18:13,433
is relationship.
A lot of great things
2125
01:18:13,558 --> 01:18:15,298
that have happened to me
2126
01:18:15,429 --> 01:18:16,559
happened to me
because of relationship.
2127
01:18:16,692 --> 01:18:17,082
♪
2128
01:18:21,434 --> 01:18:22,484
- Millionaire real estate
developer Donald Trump
2129
01:18:22,610 --> 01:18:24,090
will get a handsome tax break
2130
01:18:24,221 --> 01:18:26,441
for his latest project
on Fifth Avenue.
2131
01:18:26,571 --> 01:18:28,141
- In the case of Trump Tower,
2132
01:18:28,268 --> 01:18:30,438
he engaged the city
in a big battle
2133
01:18:30,575 --> 01:18:32,175
over getting this deal,
2134
01:18:32,316 --> 01:18:33,316
and in the end,
2135
01:18:33,447 --> 01:18:35,007
there was a fair umpire
2136
01:18:35,145 --> 01:18:37,055
in the Court of Appeals
of New York State,
2137
01:18:37,190 --> 01:18:38,500
and he won,
fair and square,
2138
01:18:38,626 --> 01:18:41,056
and got his tax abatement.
2139
01:18:41,193 --> 01:18:45,463
♪
2140
01:18:45,590 --> 01:18:47,200
- Well, here we are on the top
2141
01:18:47,331 --> 01:18:48,941
of the Trump Tower.
Today is the topping-off
2142
01:18:49,072 --> 01:18:50,992
of this fabulous building.
2143
01:18:51,117 --> 01:18:53,417
- When they finally finished
the Trump Tower,
2144
01:18:53,554 --> 01:18:56,344
Donald took the opportunity
to have a topping-off party.
2145
01:18:56,469 --> 01:18:58,119
- This is the greatest skyline
in the world,
2146
01:18:58,255 --> 01:18:59,775
so this is a great addition
to New York skyline.
2147
01:18:59,909 --> 01:19:01,259
- What do you think
about the view?
2148
01:19:01,388 --> 01:19:02,998
It's pretty nice from up here,
isn't it?
2149
01:19:03,129 --> 01:19:04,089
- I've always wanted
to look down on General Motors,
2150
01:19:04,217 --> 01:19:05,517
and the--
- [laughs]
2151
01:19:05,653 --> 01:19:07,223
It was quite exciting,
being on the top
2152
01:19:07,351 --> 01:19:09,051
of the building
when they finished it off,
2153
01:19:09,179 --> 01:19:11,009
put the last cornerstone in,
2154
01:19:11,137 --> 01:19:12,527
and everybody was there
with balloons,
2155
01:19:12,660 --> 01:19:15,840
and it was quite a fanfare.
2156
01:19:15,968 --> 01:19:18,278
Trump Tower was
the biggest moment
2157
01:19:18,405 --> 01:19:19,965
in Donald's life.
2158
01:19:20,103 --> 01:19:21,233
♪
2159
01:19:21,365 --> 01:19:22,405
- Eight years ago, I must say,
2160
01:19:22,540 --> 01:19:23,930
I was embarrassed to say I was
2161
01:19:24,063 --> 01:19:25,633
in the real estate business
in New York.
2162
01:19:25,761 --> 01:19:27,631
Today, I can honestly say
I'm proud of it,
2163
01:19:27,763 --> 01:19:29,813
and it's the number one city
in the world,
2164
01:19:29,939 --> 01:19:31,589
and I say a large part of that
2165
01:19:31,723 --> 01:19:33,903
is due
to the tremendous abilities
2166
01:19:34,030 --> 01:19:35,070
of Mayor Koch.
I think he's done
2167
01:19:35,205 --> 01:19:36,075
a tremendous job.
- Thank you.
2168
01:19:36,206 --> 01:19:37,636
- Thank you very much.
2169
01:19:37,773 --> 01:19:39,083
- Yeah, all the media
were there
2170
01:19:39,209 --> 01:19:40,859
covering this, and, um,
2171
01:19:40,993 --> 01:19:42,083
Ed Koch gave a speech,
2172
01:19:42,212 --> 01:19:43,262
which was so funny,
2173
01:19:43,387 --> 01:19:44,647
because they hated each other.
2174
01:19:44,780 --> 01:19:46,910
- And may the windows
of this building
2175
01:19:47,043 --> 01:19:47,913
forever look out
2176
01:19:48,044 --> 01:19:49,484
upon a place of peace
2177
01:19:49,610 --> 01:19:50,570
and prosperity.
2178
01:19:50,698 --> 01:19:52,258
- Very nice.
Thank you, sir.
2179
01:19:52,396 --> 01:19:55,136
Very nice.
Very good--nice. Very...
2180
01:19:55,268 --> 01:19:56,488
- Mr. Trump, what are
your sentiments today
2181
01:19:56,617 --> 01:19:58,047
regarding
the whole celebration?
2182
01:19:58,184 --> 01:19:59,064
- A very happy day.
2183
01:19:59,184 --> 01:20:01,364
The com--the completion
2184
01:20:01,492 --> 01:20:03,892
of the tallest
concrete building
2185
01:20:04,016 --> 01:20:05,926
in the city of New York.
2186
01:20:06,062 --> 01:20:07,982
- How are the sales going?
2187
01:20:08,107 --> 01:20:09,497
- Uh, well, I have nothing
to do with sales,
2188
01:20:09,630 --> 01:20:11,590
but they--I hear
they're going excellent.
2189
01:20:11,719 --> 01:20:14,589
Fantastic.
Unbelievable.
2190
01:20:14,722 --> 01:20:17,122
- I think Fred Trump
was authentically proud
2191
01:20:17,246 --> 01:20:19,506
of Donald's early successes
2192
01:20:19,639 --> 01:20:21,159
in New York.
2193
01:20:21,294 --> 01:20:23,084
He was amazed
that his little boy
2194
01:20:23,209 --> 01:20:25,559
had graduated from Queens
2195
01:20:25,690 --> 01:20:29,000
into a premiere address
in Manhattan
2196
01:20:29,128 --> 01:20:31,258
and was able to build
a landmark tower
2197
01:20:31,391 --> 01:20:32,351
with the family name on it.
2198
01:20:32,478 --> 01:20:35,308
♪
2199
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:37,529
- I remember we were going up
to New York
2200
01:20:37,657 --> 01:20:39,137
on spring break
2201
01:20:39,269 --> 01:20:40,619
and I asked my son
2202
01:20:40,748 --> 01:20:42,268
what he wanted to do
in New York,
2203
01:20:42,402 --> 01:20:43,492
what he wanted to see,
2204
01:20:43,621 --> 01:20:44,971
and he said, most of all,
2205
01:20:45,101 --> 01:20:46,581
he wanted to go see
2206
01:20:46,710 --> 01:20:48,450
the lobby of Trump Tower,
2207
01:20:48,582 --> 01:20:50,022
and sure enough, we did it,
2208
01:20:50,148 --> 01:20:52,018
and we were all
pretty impressed.
2209
01:20:52,151 --> 01:20:54,331
- I remember walking in
and looking up,
2210
01:20:54,458 --> 01:20:56,628
and seeing this escalator
and seeing the fountains,
2211
01:20:56,764 --> 01:20:59,514
and feeling that I was,
you know, as an outsider,
2212
01:20:59,637 --> 01:21:01,467
as a--as a Brit,
2213
01:21:01,594 --> 01:21:04,734
that this was the apotheosis
of big, glitzy,
2214
01:21:04,860 --> 01:21:07,510
you know, vulgar, if you like,
Americana, and I loved it...
2215
01:21:07,645 --> 01:21:10,515
♪
2216
01:21:10,648 --> 01:21:12,958
Because, you know, that's
what was fun about America.
2217
01:21:13,085 --> 01:21:14,165
♪
2218
01:21:14,304 --> 01:21:15,134
It was kind of the Liberace
2219
01:21:15,261 --> 01:21:16,131
of buildings, really,
2220
01:21:16,262 --> 01:21:18,222
if you like.
[laughs]
2221
01:21:18,351 --> 01:21:22,441
- Here is Donald being lauded
for this great achievement,
2222
01:21:22,573 --> 01:21:25,583
but obviously,
absent from the celebration
2223
01:21:25,706 --> 01:21:29,096
is Donald's elder brother,
2224
01:21:29,232 --> 01:21:30,932
Fred Jr.
2225
01:21:31,059 --> 01:21:37,629
♪
2226
01:21:37,762 --> 01:21:41,202
As a pilot, Fred Jr.
continues to struggle
2227
01:21:41,331 --> 01:21:43,071
with what, in retrospect,
2228
01:21:43,202 --> 01:21:45,202
will be seen
as a lifelong battle
2229
01:21:45,335 --> 01:21:47,155
with alcohol,
2230
01:21:47,293 --> 01:21:49,643
and he falls out of grace
with the airlines
2231
01:21:49,773 --> 01:21:52,913
and cannot function
as a pilot anymore.
2232
01:21:53,038 --> 01:21:55,208
By this time in his life,
2233
01:21:55,344 --> 01:21:57,434
it's been communicated
by his father
2234
01:21:57,564 --> 01:21:59,264
and by his brother
2235
01:21:59,392 --> 01:22:02,572
that they don't expect much
from him.
2236
01:22:02,700 --> 01:22:05,270
He winds up moving home
2237
01:22:05,398 --> 01:22:08,308
and into the family mansion
2238
01:22:08,445 --> 01:22:11,095
and is essentially a handyman
2239
01:22:11,230 --> 01:22:14,100
for the Trump properties,
2240
01:22:14,233 --> 01:22:16,243
ordered about by his father,
2241
01:22:16,366 --> 01:22:19,196
asked to do menial tasks.
2242
01:22:19,325 --> 01:22:21,545
- He was intended to be
the heir to the throne
2243
01:22:21,675 --> 01:22:24,325
of the Trump Organization,
2244
01:22:24,460 --> 01:22:26,550
but from this point on,
2245
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:28,120
he really did start
to spiral downward
2246
01:22:28,246 --> 01:22:29,806
more rapidly.
2247
01:22:29,945 --> 01:22:31,505
♪
2248
01:22:31,642 --> 01:22:33,382
- Fred was a great guy, but,
you know,
2249
01:22:33,513 --> 01:22:34,953
he had an alcohol problem.
- Yeah.
2250
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:37,040
- Okay.
And he was such
2251
01:22:37,169 --> 01:22:39,259
an amazing guy,
and the best personality--
2252
01:22:39,389 --> 01:22:40,959
best-looking guy
you'll ever see,
2253
01:22:41,085 --> 01:22:42,345
and you know, he had
a lot of things,
2254
01:22:42,478 --> 01:22:43,698
but he had an alcohol problem.
2255
01:22:43,827 --> 01:22:46,347
- I never really thought
of his having
2256
01:22:46,483 --> 01:22:48,093
a problem with drinking
2257
01:22:48,224 --> 01:22:51,534
really until the last time
I saw him,
2258
01:22:51,662 --> 01:22:55,102
and that was in
the hospital of Manhattan.
2259
01:22:55,231 --> 01:22:56,971
He kept saying,
2260
01:22:57,102 --> 01:22:59,372
"I've got to get off
the sauce.
2261
01:22:59,496 --> 01:23:02,106
I've got to get off
the sauce."
2262
01:23:02,237 --> 01:23:09,157
♪
2263
01:23:13,684 --> 01:23:16,954
- His passing is
the first real loss
2264
01:23:17,079 --> 01:23:19,039
in Donald's life,
2265
01:23:19,168 --> 01:23:22,208
but Donald viewed
Fred Jr.'s death
2266
01:23:22,344 --> 01:23:25,354
as an example of weakness,
2267
01:23:25,478 --> 01:23:27,388
of what happens
when you're not tough enough,
2268
01:23:27,523 --> 01:23:30,313
when you don't fight,
when you don't strike back.
2269
01:23:30,440 --> 01:23:32,270
It's just a fact of life
2270
01:23:32,398 --> 01:23:35,178
that some people win
and some people lose,
2271
01:23:35,314 --> 01:23:37,104
and they may be brothers,
2272
01:23:37,228 --> 01:23:41,148
but they're still winners
and losers.
2273
01:23:41,277 --> 01:23:42,837
What his father taught him,
2274
01:23:42,974 --> 01:23:44,504
that he was a killer,
2275
01:23:44,628 --> 01:23:46,278
turned out to be true.
2276
01:23:46,412 --> 01:23:48,942
Donald Trump had made
all of this happen.
2277
01:23:49,067 --> 01:23:51,287
He was not yet 40 years old,
2278
01:23:51,416 --> 01:23:54,416
and he was a force
to be reckoned with
2279
01:23:54,550 --> 01:23:56,290
on the island of Manhattan.
2280
01:23:56,422 --> 01:23:58,992
There was no greater proof
2281
01:23:59,121 --> 01:24:01,211
that could be offered by life
2282
01:24:01,340 --> 01:24:04,470
of the excellence
of the Trump method
2283
01:24:04,603 --> 01:24:07,393
and the superiority
of his own talents
2284
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:11,180
than the completion
of this grand project.
2285
01:24:11,307 --> 01:24:14,437
- By the way, uh, he is
a chip off the old block.
2286
01:24:14,571 --> 01:24:16,011
This is--
- My father, Fred Trump.
2287
01:24:16,138 --> 01:24:18,048
- Right.
2288
01:24:18,183 --> 01:24:19,323
- You were gonna say somethig
about your dad.
2289
01:24:19,445 --> 01:24:21,005
You said--
- He was very difficult
2290
01:24:21,143 --> 01:24:22,493
to work with.
Number one, he was
2291
01:24:22,621 --> 01:24:24,411
a very tough man,
2292
01:24:24,537 --> 01:24:27,187
but he was also a--a man
2293
01:24:27,323 --> 01:24:28,893
that would never let
anything go.
2294
01:24:29,020 --> 01:24:30,500
He was a very strong man.
2295
01:24:30,630 --> 01:24:33,630
He was
a very detail-oriented perso,
2296
01:24:33,764 --> 01:24:35,204
but I did great deals
for him.
2297
01:24:35,331 --> 01:24:36,381
In fact, he gave a statement
2298
01:24:36,505 --> 01:24:37,855
to "BusinessWeek" magazine
2299
01:24:37,985 --> 01:24:39,465
many, many years ago.
2300
01:24:39,596 --> 01:24:41,896
"Everything Donald touches
turns to gold."
2301
01:24:42,032 --> 01:24:44,992
♪
2302
01:24:45,123 --> 01:24:46,563
- Donald Trump was never a man
2303
01:24:46,690 --> 01:24:48,870
who was dying to settle down.
2304
01:25:00,312 --> 01:25:03,272
♪
2305
01:25:03,402 --> 01:25:06,582
- The name Marla Maples
came up shortly after that.
2306
01:25:06,710 --> 01:25:09,150
No guy likes talking
about affairs, by the way.
2307
01:25:09,278 --> 01:25:11,018
[laughs]
2308
01:25:11,148 --> 01:25:12,928
- It had sex, it had beauty,
2309
01:25:13,064 --> 01:25:14,814
it had bazillions of bucks.
2310
01:25:14,934 --> 01:25:16,374
It had everything.
2311
01:25:16,502 --> 01:25:18,422
- The attention he got
in the media
2312
01:25:18,548 --> 01:25:21,508
actually made him feel alive.
2313
01:25:21,638 --> 01:25:23,548
♪
2314
01:25:23,683 --> 01:25:25,383
- Boy, there's a lot
of coverage there.
2315
01:25:25,511 --> 01:25:27,081
- Then gradually, of course,
2316
01:25:27,209 --> 01:25:28,509
things got out of control.
2317
01:25:28,645 --> 01:25:29,815
♪
2318
01:25:29,950 --> 01:25:31,300
- He was frightened.
2319
01:25:31,430 --> 01:25:33,480
Trump was staring
at destroying
2320
01:25:33,606 --> 01:25:35,346
not only his own legacy,
2321
01:25:35,478 --> 01:25:37,178
but his father's legacy
as well.
2322
01:25:37,306 --> 01:25:39,306
- But you have said
that if you ran for president,
2323
01:25:39,438 --> 01:25:41,088
you'd win.
- I think I'd have
2324
01:25:41,223 --> 01:25:42,533
a very good chance.
I mean, I like to win.
2325
01:25:42,659 --> 01:25:45,049
- He's one of the greatest
shows on Earth,
2326
01:25:45,183 --> 01:25:46,403
you don't know
what he's going to do next,
2327
01:25:46,532 --> 01:25:51,102
and you can't stop watching.
2328
01:25:51,152 --> 01:25:55,702
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