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This programme contains explicit
sexual scenes, very strong language,
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some violent scenes
and scenes of sexual violence
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When I first signed with an agent,
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they said, "Oh, yeah,
you're going to have to get naked."
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And everybody knows that
winning the Oscar
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represents that you're not going to
get naked any more.
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You're out there while the men are
on the sides wearing parkas,
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you're just standing
there with no shirt on.
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Everybody's standing staring at you.
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A lot of the nudity that was asked
of me was not in the contract.
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I thought at the time,
this is what paying your dues is.
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I was afraid if I said no, that it
would make me too vulnerable.
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For some reason, saying no
would make me more vulnerable
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than being naked.
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Did I have to be topless?
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Probably not.
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Already, as an artist, as an actor,
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my body no longer belongs to me.
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You were giving over your likeness
to a character,
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and then that character becomes
something that belongs to the world.
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And that's crazy.
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This idea of, "Oh, I'm less of
a true actor if I do nudity,"
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as if it's this negative thing.
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But who decided that?
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Who?
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Zoom in if you can.
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I wanted to be naked
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so there's a sense of normalcy
about what our bodies represent.
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Not just for trans people,
but period.
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All these movies
that I watched growing up
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chipped away at my sense
of who I was,
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how to know who I was,
how to know what I wanted.
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How do we find our desire when we're
so used to being looked at?
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Interior bedroom night.
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This is a closed set.
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So if you're not in this scene
or working this scene,
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please exit the stage.
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What we see over and over again
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is women have to fight for ownership
of their own body.
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Yeah, here we go.
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Scene 20, take 5.
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Take your robes off.
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Action.
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Everybody learns how to behave
in sex and other things...
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..from the movies.
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Our notions of ourselves,
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our notions of beauty,
our notions of romance,
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what sex is allowed to be,
and who it's allowed to be with.
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How to kiss, how to have sex.
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How to be tender, how to be violent.
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I mean, there are so many things
we learn from movies,
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particularly when we're younger.
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It's hard to talk about sex,
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but here we have all of these
examples of movies
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and television
and now the internet to show us
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what we are thinking about our
relation to sex through media.
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Sex education.
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Don't have sex,
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because you will get
pregnant and die.
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That's it, then, for the penis.
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Let's move on to the...
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..the female privates.
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We are sex ed.
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The TV industry and the film
industry. We are sex ed.
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When I didn't think
I was going to make it
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as a film-maker or as a director,
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I really wanted to do sex education
curriculums in high schools
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because I just find so many things,
like, so shocking
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about what women and girls
aren't ever told about sex.
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Probably why I'm really fascinated
as a director
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with what happens
behind closed doors.
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I was raised so conservative
and so Christian
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that I remember watching
Ace Ventura,
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and it was the first
time I realised that sex
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wasn't just the penis going
into the vagina,
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because the bed
was shaking back and forth,
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realising that there was like an
actual movement that happened.
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For me, the sex scene that sticks
out is Love Jones.
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That was like one moment
within the scene where Larenz
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actually kissed her nipple,
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and I was like, "Whoa!"
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Like, "They're allowed to put
this in movies?!"
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Like, this is crazy!
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Oh, this is what sex looks like.
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This is how I'm supposed
to look as a woman.
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When I was a teenager,
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I remember watching
Fast Times at Ridgemont High
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and there was Phoebe Cates...
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Hi, Brad.
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..who was the object of desire,
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and so wanted and so unattainable,
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and I remember thinking, like,
I really want to be her.
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I desperately wanted
to be the object.
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There's a long tradition
in American movies of showgirls -
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of literally showing girls.
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Identical looking women
opening their legs in unison.
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Going back to the earliest musicals.
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The idealised and commodified
sexuality of women,
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it's as old an invention as film.
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Eadweard Muybridge was a
photographer who would give lectures
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and he would show very, very short
sequences of motion.
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When he got to the women,
he fundamentally didn't know
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what purposeful activity
to give them to do.
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And so he had them flirt fans
or walk up some stairs
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or walk down some stairs.
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One woman is gazing longingly
at another woman.
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So, the men act...
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..and the women are always
aware of being looked at.
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Jane, 30s, beautiful, but pissed.
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Jane, an attractive and fit
nurse in her late 30s.
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Jane, 40s, looks 35.
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Pretty. Hispanic.
Smart and beautiful.
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"We need a woman who's
strong-willed but hot."
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She has to be strong-willed but hot,
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meaning that a strong-willed woman
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is usually not attractive.
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The bimbo. Hot mamacita.
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Seductress. Voluptuous.
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Curvaceous. Sassy.
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I make you feel real nice today.
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I played this one character
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who was an Asian masseuse.
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And I remember when that casting
breakdown was being faxed to me
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and was like, "Is she also a bad
driver and is she good at maths?"
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I mean, how many stereotypes can you
roll into this one character?
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You read some of these scripts
and you're like,
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"This is what you're going to do?
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"This? And then you're going
to get money to make this,
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"and then you're going to
put this thought out
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"into the world with these
characters?"
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When I first started
my TV writing career,
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they were always looking
for a female writer to hire.
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It's terrible to say, but at
the time I felt really fortunate.
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I was like, "Oh, they're looking
for a female writer.
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"I could be that female writer."
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But of course
I wasn't putting it together
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because they already have a writers'
room of 11 guys.
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And there wasn't a lot
of interest in...
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authentic female stories,
I'll put it that way.
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In some ways I think there's a lot
of 20 and 30-something male writers
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who, they'd admit,
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"I'm not really sure I want to know
what's in a woman's head," you know?
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"I'd rather stand out here
and put a gun in a guy's hand
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"and I'll write that story."
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In some respects,
we may have been shirking it.
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They were just
telling their stories,
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and in their stories, many times,
we were one dimensional objects.
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It's limited choices,
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and that's just because it comes
from limited imaginations.
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You bad girl.
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You'll find out.
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In the very early cinema,
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shockingly, you find
something different.
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In the late '20s, early '30s,
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we did have a lot
of women writing screenplays.
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I mean, a lot.
I would say, like, 50-50.
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What you're seeing is the modern
woman expressed on screen.
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I don't believe in what you believe,
that's all.
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I don't want to get married.
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I'm a doctor.
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And, very importantly,
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you can have a woman be very
sexually adventurous.
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Hold me close.
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The '20s and '30s
was the sexiest time
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for women in movies.
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The Bette Davises, the Mae Wests.
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A little bit spicy, but not so raw.
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You know what I mean?
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The Garbos.
They were naughty women.
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They were dangerous women.
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Your hand is shaking.
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Women who starred in the movies
had a lot of power in those days,
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and they were box office
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and they were saying,
"I want to do stuff that's real."
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I want to do it
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and not have somebody tell me
I ought to do something else.
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Women and film were enjoying
free expression.
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And all of a sudden this vein
was just cut off.
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It was just gone.
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The vulgar, the cheap
and the tawdry is out.
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There is no room on the screen
at any time
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for pictures which offend
against common decency.
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The Hollywood Production Code
was invented
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so that Hollywood could
police itself
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and, in that policing, prevent any
kind of state censorship.
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Goodnight. Goodnight.
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Couples are sleeping
in separate beds.
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Keep both feet firmly planted
on the floor.
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Kisses were only allowed to be three
seconds long,
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and what the kiss would lead to
could never be shown.
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No sexual relations between
white and black characters.
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There was no sex allowed
outside of marriage.
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Goodbye, Mother.
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But also sex outside of marriage, to
the extent that it could be shown,
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had to be shown as something
that was tragic.
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Goodbye, baby.
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GUNSHOTS
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We had different groups of people
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locked into a
certain representation.
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Just hold on and suck in!
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They're servants.
They're the sidekick.
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Turn me loose...!
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Hattie McDaniel,
who was crazily talented,
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had to perfect the ability
to play Mammy.
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What's that rustling noise I hear?
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Lord, Mr Redd, that ain't nothing
but my red silk petticoat
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you done give me.
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Black woman had to be positioned
in this way
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in which they were
sexually nonthreatening
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to white women on screen.
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Later on, they were
hypersexual or deviant.
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I suggest that,
while you're on this ship,
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you wear something
a little less revealing.
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Does it bother the captain?
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Hollywood didn't have in mind black
female actresses as leading ladies.
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Anna May Wong was the first
Chinese American movie star.
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She was always cast
as the Dragon Lady...
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Ronald...
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..the person who would
steal your husband.
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With the code, interracial marriage
was not acceptable.
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It prevented her from ever being
a leading lady.
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Don't do anything foolish.
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Women's roles were destroyed...
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Now you listen to me.
You're going to marry Phil Marshall
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and keep your mouth shut
till you die.
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..just at a time when women and film
were enjoying some agency.
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After my first movie,
when I started going on auditions,
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I hated asking for anything.
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And just by dint of being there,
you're kind of in this position,
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you know, to say alms for the poor.
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..because I forget
that I'm famous...
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The feedback I would get, you know,
going in for, like,
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these female leads would be like,
"Is she sexy enough?"
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Do it like Shakespeare but sexy. OK.
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Right there, please.
Nice to meet you.
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You're being dissected immediately
for your body.
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And it's something about
being in a long hallway
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with all these girls with tight tops
and mini skirts on and a big dream.
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The amount of parts that say
"nudity required"
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or, like, "simulated sex required"
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creates a situation where
all women have to decide yes or no
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before they even
get to audition for the role.
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You will lose out on work
if you're not willing to do nudity.
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At the big studios
they called it Bikini Day.
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They would write a part for a girl
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that had to be in a bikini
for no apparent reason.
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So then they would have auditions
for said Bikini Girl,
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and that would be the day they could
get all of the producers there
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and the director there to decide
on other, more important roles.
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When I was younger,
I definitely went to auditions
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for the...the... You know...
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Sexy teenager.
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Lorimar presents Blake Edwards' SOB.
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We were all required
to come in wearing a bikini.
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I was very well-endowed.
And I got the part.
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We were about to shoot
Blake Edwards.
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He said, "OK, so Rosanna,
when you come in. You know what?
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"Let's just lose the bikini top.
OK, everybody, let's go."
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And I was like, "Mr... Mr Edwards,
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"you mean take my...
Take my bikini top off?"
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I was 19 at the time.
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And he goes, "Yeah,
do you have a problem with that?"
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And I said, "Well, I didn't know
I was going to be nude.
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"I didn't know I was going
to be naked."
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And he goes, "Oh, man, Tony." His
producer, he goes, "Call her agent."
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And I just remembered, like,
everybody waiting for me
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and then looking, you know...
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And I was such in a panic
and I did it.
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And I was... Felt very humiliated
and very sad about it.
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But, you know, this was...
those days.
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It was a completely different
consciousness.
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You were expected
to do these things.
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The best way to do this,
to get the right head motion
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and also the DP's going to have to
put the camera in the right place,
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is you make a fist,
you put your thumb here.
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You suck your own thumb,
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and if you put the camera right
behind them,
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then you get the whole thing
and it gets... Freaky.
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..look of it. Wow.
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I did not know that. Wow.
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Yep. OK.
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Today, we're going to be getting
to the core of what does it mean
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to be an intimacy coordinator
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and, like, how does
all this stuff function?
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We're going to talk about the three
most common types or, like, themes
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in choreography, which are romance,
passion, dominance.
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So what sorts of touch
are associated,
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and then what are some, like,
hints in terms of often dialogue
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that we're going in the direction
of this theme.
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Romance typically has a gentle
but solid feeling at the same time.
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See how light he's being?
Yeah. Yeah.
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Long, soft, continuous strokes
over different areas of the body -
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that reads romantic.
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They're about to go into passion.
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And here we go.
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It's kind of animalistic and they
kind of just, like, allow themselves
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to get lost in the experience
and it's a bit out of control.
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So the last one's dominance.
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The energy tends to be
cool, calm, collected.
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It can be sadistic.
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Can be punishing.
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Just is occurring to me
how fraught this is for men.
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A lot of them are afraid of, like,
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"What if I, like, cross
another person's boundaries?"
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Or, "What if I, like, harm her
or do something?" You know...
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And yet to do a good job,
it needs to look a certain way.
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I mean, it's a lot of...
It's like an exaggeration
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of everything in the culture
happening... Yeah.
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OK. Here we go.
Let's lock it up, please.
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Take one.
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All right. Quiet now, on a bell.
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BELL RINGS
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And...roll, please.
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Speed!
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If there's going to be nudity
or a sex scene in a movie,
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SAG has certain requirements.
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They have to send you in writing
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what the sex or the nudity
is going to entail.
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The Nudity Rider is a very thorough
list of what can or cannot be shown
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and what you will or will not do.
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You have these
fairly dry conversations
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about boob, side boob,
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nipple, flank.
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That's a big one, flank.
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Let me see your tits.
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For the purposes of this nudity
consent rider, player agrees
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that player services will require
nudity and/or simulated sex scenes
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in accordance with the terms
and conditions provided herein.
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Very nice.
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I'll show the side of my breast,
but not my nipple.
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I'll show my rear end.
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But I only want part of the butt
crack to show.
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It's sometimes a little odd to go
through how specific it is.
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You know, whether you're going
to see the nipple or not
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or the areola or not.
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It even gets as specific
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as, like, if you have a position,
if you're doing, like, doggy style,
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for example, it includes
the anal cavity.
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And even with the nudity rider,
it's not entirely perfect.
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Thought that's what you wanted.
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It has definitely happened
where people thought a scene
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was going to get portrayed
one way and they arrive
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and all of a sudden the director
has this other really creative idea.
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The sex scene wasn't,
"Oh, we're making love."
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It's very harsh.
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Things that they would not have
agreed to if they had understood
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how the director was going
to film that nude scene.
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If it's not SAG,
you don't have protections.
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There's that whole arena of movies
where you're not covered by a union.
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You have no protections.
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I went on set and I discovered
that I had two nude scenes, not one.
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I was told that it was going to be
empowering.
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In this industry,
things happen so fast.
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They don't really, you know,
sit down with you
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like, "Oh, we're thinking
about doing it this way,
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"or this other way."
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When I saw the final product, I
didn't think it was tasteful at all.
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Talent to set.
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And that's why it's really so
important on a set to have a person
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who can help you enforce
your rights.
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Action.
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The hair I'm using is human hair,
it's permed and straightened.
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And I've got two or three different
colours here
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and I'm blending
the colours together.
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Actors that are doing mainstream
entertainment
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are not signing up to
do a real sex scene.
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They're not really having sex,
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but they have to really look like
they are.
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So a merkin is essentially
a pubic hair wig.
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A lot of ladies say they like
wearing the modesty garment
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with a merkin over it
cos they look totally naked
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but they don't feel like they are.
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They feel like they're wearing
an item of clothing still,
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so they feel safe.
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And then when it's done,
it's very natural looking.
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I like to present them in nice
little boxes.
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Kind of makes everybody
kind of comfortable
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about the whole situation,
which can be very awkward.
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Hi. Good morning. Hi.
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Do you have any skin allergies?
No. Perfect.
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The experience of shooting
a sex scene is, like,
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the least sexy thing in the world.
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They will have a modesty garment on,
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which is a very small pair
of panties
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that has no sides and no back.
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Some people are very nervous.
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It's not something they do
every day.
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And, action for rehearsal.
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It's also strange because you
usually just meet,
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and there you are touching
each other
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and laying all over each other.
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Let's have her on top now.
Roll over.
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That's great.
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Hold there.
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With rehearsal, we just kind of
walk through the steps.
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OK, now start over.
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"Here's the position."
Or, "Now they're on the couch."
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Or, "Now you're sitting here.
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"Go right, left, up, down.
Spin in a circle and land.
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"And then the guy's going
to yank your head back."
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You don't go to school
and learn how to, you know,
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choreograph sex scenes.
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Cameras rolling.
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I was on set, and was working
on a film
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that required quite a bit of nudity.
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The DP tried to sneakily and
very slowly move the camera,
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so that it could shoot the
lower part of me nude
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as well as the upper part.
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Every day that I went to work
after that,
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I thought about how much had they
shot that we hadn't caught.
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Playing an intimate scene
with another partner, you know,
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it's awkward, not intimate at all,
and very disconnected.
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When I watched it,
the nakedness of my body
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being turned into an image
for anyone to see,
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suddenly, I realised my body
wasn't mine.
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You're simulating sex,
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but there's only so much
simulating you can do.
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You can't simulate a kiss -
you have to really kiss someone.
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And you have to really touch
their naked body.
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Like, I almost - when I have had to
do sex scenes, and I've done many -
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it's almost like I go
into a blackout.
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Like, I just have to get it
over with.
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I wake up that morning
with so much dread.
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Oftentimes, I did what I normally do
when I get freaked out,
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I just kind of leave my body
and float up to the ceiling.
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My first tendency is, almost,
go numb to it,
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because it's too intense.
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And yet, if I do that,
then I'm not present
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and I'm not doing the best work
as an actor that I can do.
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With American puritanism,
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it's hard to talk about sex.
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Sex is taboo.
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It is the realm of real people
in real bodies
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having relations with one another.
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That's not so comfortable
to the film-makers.
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Say mercy! No. Come on. No.
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00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,240
Say mercy. No.
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The first sex scene I ever did
was on my first feature, DEBS,
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and I was so nervous.
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Nobody feels comfortable talking
about sex, period.
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00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,040
Nobody feels comfortable saying
they're uncomfortable.
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It's a moment of intimacy.
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Trying to have, like, a ten-minute
conversation with a director
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or a producer to be like,
"So, you're OK with these things?
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"Check, check, check,"
is not a very thorough way
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to define your boundaries.
447
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There is so much shame around
the body, around desire.
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There are a lot of directors who
don't know how to talk about sex,
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because it remains this forbidden
area of our lives.
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Oh, God. Oh...
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Jesus Christ.
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The 1960s and the early '70s were
the era of sexual revolution.
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Everything was changing.
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And with the rise of hardcore
pornography on big screens,
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the avant-garde -
like Andy Warhol's art films -
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and the Europeans leading the way,
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I think it just became absurd
for movies to pretend
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that the era of the code
was still operating.
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Mom.
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This is John.
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The world of European
sexual liberty...
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..and American prudery sort of
come together
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in the career of Jane Fonda.
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Man, you sure do look different.
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Oh, boy. You not only don't
talk much, you don't say much.
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JANE FONDA: In the first part of
my career, when I was playing
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ingenue roles here in
the United States,
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I was never asked to take
my clothes off.
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I mean, this was the late '50s,
early '60s.
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It wasn't until I went to France,
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under the guidance of Roger Vadim.
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I fell in love with him,
and I eventually married him.
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I knew what I was getting into.
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He never made a movie where
women weren't undressed,
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so I knew that was coming along -
and it did, and I did it.
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00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,920
Roger promised me that he would
use the letters of the titles
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to cover...the important things.
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Which was only partly realised.
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I was utterly terrified.
480
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,960
I was 30, I should have
known better.
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But I was at a place in my life when
if you were asked to do something,
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especially by a man, you did it.
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I didn't know anything about
nudity clauses and contracts,
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00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,840
and all those other things.
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I just did what I was told.
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And so I...
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I just got drunk, basically.
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00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:07,200
Now it was possible to play
with different rules,
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but the different rules were
not a whole lot different
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from the old rules.
491
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,520
I think these early films
showed how, for men,
492
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,520
sex is a very homosocial relation,
493
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:27,160
whether it's Jon Voight and Dustin
Hoffman in Midnight Cowboy...
494
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:28,840
Here.
495
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,520
..or Art Garfunkel and
Jack Nicholson in Carnal Knowledge.
496
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,560
What do you say?
497
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,640
What the man is often doing
498
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:42,640
is proving his virility to his
friends via a woman.
499
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,360
Breasts were now completely
available for looking at,
500
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:53,400
but male frontal nudity
was really frowned on.
501
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,240
Real portrayal of romance
and intimacy,
502
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,240
as it's practised in life,
503
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,880
weren't part of the American
cinematic lexicon
504
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,840
for decades and decades and decades.
505
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,160
And suddenly, when censorship
lifted in the 1960s,
506
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,360
we went from having romance
without sex
507
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,720
to having sex without romance.
508
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,320
Oh, yeah.
509
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,920
Wait.
510
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,160
Why don't you turn out the lights?
511
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,720
In the '70s so-called
blaxploitation films,
512
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,360
you see a lot of sex, drugs,
513
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,760
lots of female nudity,
514
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:43,160
and these different characters
who were not Sidney Poitier
515
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,240
being accepted into a white world.
516
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,480
We have bad-ass heroes, right?
517
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,080
Black heroes.
518
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,120
They spoke to the black
power movement
519
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,040
and the black feminist movement.
520
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,440
You want me to crawl,
white motherfucker?
521
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,560
What are you doing? Put that down.
522
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,600
You want to spit on me
and make me crawl?
523
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,160
The people loved it.
524
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,400
We were breaking
all kinds of records.
525
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,240
Black women were, quote, sex
goddesses for the very first time.
526
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,320
For our hue, it was new.
527
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,640
How many love scenes did you see
of us in any movie
528
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,240
during that period of
the '60s and '70s?
529
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,120
None.
530
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,400
But, of course, there was
controversy from the very beginning.
531
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:42,800
There's harems of women who were
at the disposal of these men,
532
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,600
which really highlighted
their sexual bodies.
533
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,480
Sort of an extreme voyeuristic
eroticism.
534
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,360
Turn around slowly.
535
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:04,960
Of course, you had Gloria Hendry,
536
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,280
who was the first black woman
being a Bond girl.
537
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,040
Ah, beautiful, brave,
and now resourceful.
538
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,960
It was really a watershed moment.
539
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,760
But the film only goes so far.
540
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,200
I think that the white people
were scared of the repercussions
541
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,920
of their base, having a black
activist wind up with Bond.
542
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,680
Oh, James.
543
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,720
She's killed, of course.
544
00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:39,720
A black activist couldn't possibly
wind up with Bond.
545
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,920
Out of 5,000 pairs of legs,
I was chosen.
546
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,760
And I thought, wow,
547
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,200
no-one's ever going to know
that it's me on the screen.
548
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,240
It was just like a cattle call,
549
00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:12,120
and they were like, "Your legs, yes.
Your legs, no. Your legs, maybe."
550
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,360
OK, let's bring in the body double.
551
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,320
Hi. Hi.
552
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,440
I'm Mindy. Pleased to meet you.
Nice to meet you.
553
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,240
Our body is on the film
that you're seeing.
554
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,680
You're there to make the actress
look perfect.
555
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,800
Perfect legs, perfect breasts.
556
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,600
Perfect body.
557
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,120
I think the public would be
shocked to find out
558
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,320
how many hands aren't really the
hand of the talent,
559
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:42,920
or the butt of the talent.
560
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,320
Kim Basinger.
561
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,560
Madonna, Barbra Streisand.
562
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,880
In Pretty Woman,
the whole opening scene,
563
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,520
where she's getting dressed
to meet Richard Gere,
564
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,200
that's my body.
565
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,480
Body doubling is really hush-hush.
566
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,000
I was Janet Leigh's acting double
in the shower scene of Psycho.
567
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:08,480
You don't see her face - that's me.
568
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,600
That's the back of my head,
569
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,360
my hands, my arms, my belly button.
570
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,080
Janet Leigh wrote her biography,
571
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,480
and she let on that she did
the whole thing.
572
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,560
Pissed me off.
573
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,560
That I wasn't recognised.
574
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,680
In Rising Sun,
I was the live body sushi plate.
575
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,320
A SWAT team is breaking through
the window, and I'm there nude
576
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:44,880
with this sushi on me.
577
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,800
And I remember looking away, saying,
578
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,760
"I'm not going to get cut
by the glass."
579
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,720
But if you're a body double, they
pull you out like a chicken dinner.
580
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:55,240
You're like, bring out the breasts,
bring out the thighs,
581
00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:57,640
bring out the leg. They just think,
oh, you're just there.
582
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,720
You're just kind of not real.
583
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:13,880
Somebody in the producing department
wants there to be less smile lines.
584
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,400
So I've aged her down slightly.
585
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,360
My work consists of visual effects
generally, but a lot of requests
586
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:25,960
I get from clients is
587
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,400
to do beauty work.
588
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,400
She's got a little mole here.
589
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:32,880
Sample it.
590
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,760
And...all right...
591
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,760
Removing blemishes, freckles,
pubic hair,
592
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,480
slimming people up,
593
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,640
making them look younger.
594
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,560
It was a heavily guarded secret
when it first came out.
595
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,080
Now, most people on television
and film get it done.
596
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,160
As far as making somebody look
younger, it's mostly a request
597
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:08,200
for women, cleaning up, like, bags
under the eyes or neck wrinkles.
598
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,480
I get asked to do face replacements
a lot, and usually
599
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,360
that has to do with stunts.
600
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,760
So if there's a stunt double
and their face is visible,
601
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,240
then we put the actual actor's face
on the stunt.
602
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:23,480
But they're starting to do this
more often for beauty purposes,
603
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,440
so you get a stunt body
or a body double.
604
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:29,880
In Game Of Thrones,
605
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,240
it was somebody else's body,
and her head was literally stitched
606
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:34,960
right on top of that body.
607
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,600
There was a request that came in
from a client
608
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,920
for me to remove a postnatal belly.
609
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,200
Because this actress had
just given birth.
610
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,080
So that was just a matter
of taking her body,
611
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,640
Rotoing it out, cutting it out,
612
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,920
squeezing it and then basically
613
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,360
putting it right back on
and cleaning up the background
614
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,040
wherever her belly would have been.
615
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,400
That was before.
616
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,560
And that's after.
617
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,800
Actors and actresses buy into it
and THEY persist it
618
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,640
and THEY ask for it because
they believe that this is important
619
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,560
and this is needed and that we need
to portray our best selves.
620
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,800
We should all be looking
like china dolls, you know,
621
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,640
we should all have flawless faces.
622
00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:26,000
Whatever we do, we always want
to look our very best.
623
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:32,000
I don't respond to ultra-beauty
in my life.
624
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,600
I like flaws
and I like to see natural people.
625
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,720
I feel like I'm part of the problem
626
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:39,840
instead of the solution for that.
627
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,120
INDISTINCT CHATTER
628
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,240
Damn it! I can't see a thing!
629
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,040
In American movies...
630
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,800
Mind if I join you?
631
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,280
..there has always been limits
to who's allowed to be sexual.
632
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,520
Ah...
633
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,560
I worked for a television producer
634
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,800
earlier in my career who, when we
were casting day player roles,
635
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,960
said, "There are no fat women
in my shows."
636
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,280
And I remember at the time going,
637
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,200
"Wow, like he's created a whole
universe,
638
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,880
"and it's true, in his brand,
there are no fat women."
639
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,360
I'm fat. That's not a bad word.
640
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,160
And I am fat,
naked and in front of a lover too.
641
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,920
I only see that as a joke.
642
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:33,760
I get it. You're self-conscious
about your body.
643
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,840
Don't worry. I was going to shut
the lights off anyway.
644
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,360
But then, for us, it's like,
"Turn off the lights. Don't see me."
645
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,840
What we see on the screen affects
what you take into the bedroom.
646
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,160
You're cool with going out
the back again, right? Um...
647
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,480
It is very few, very few,
648
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,760
extremely rare
649
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,520
and far between
650
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,440
to see people with disabilities
in sexual situations.
651
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,160
So people don't genuinely think
that it exists.
652
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,400
I don't want you
653
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,720
to miss all the things that someone
else could give you.
654
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:14,200
Louisa...
655
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,680
I once told my manager, "I'm not
going to play anybody in a hospital,
656
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,560
"I'm not going to play any more
lawyers
657
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,920
"or desexualised trans people,
658
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,520
"and I'm not going to play anyone
who visits anybody in a hospital."
659
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,520
And I didn't work for two years.
660
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,680
So, if I keep taking the hormones...
You'd be feeding the cancer.
661
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,160
Are you saying if I become a woman,
I could die?
662
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,680
In Hollywood,
exclusion is part of the story.
663
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,120
Here, try this.
664
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,440
VOICEOVER: When I was a teenager,
there wasn't
665
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,440
that much queer representation
at all.
666
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,320
So what do you think?
667
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,240
You'd like, scour the video store
for, like,
668
00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:59,320
obtuse glances between women
on video boxes.
669
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,720
In The Color Purple,
these women love each other,
670
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:06,680
they see each other sexually,
671
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,080
but doesn't go full-on into sex
scenes.
672
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,000
You two have met, haven't you?
673
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,840
Or it's about some weird
674
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,800
male fantasy spectacle.
675
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,560
And we have to remember,
the censors are white,
676
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,760
cisgender, heteronormative men...
677
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,240
..who said, "Look, if you're going
to do this,
678
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:35,240
"if you're going to be naked, we
want to see two women together.
679
00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:37,280
"Because that's art."
680
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,040
Right?
681
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,600
Penises are pornography.
682
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,440
Tits are art.
683
00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:00,440
Film has been men
showing other men what they see.
684
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,240
What is visual pleasure?
685
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,320
It's not actually about watching
two other people.
686
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,600
All it is is about the male fantasy.
687
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,920
I don't know anything that I saw
growing up that told me
688
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,040
that I could have the agenda
of being the one
689
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,480
who wanted the pleasure.
690
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:29,760
HE GRUNTS WITH PLEASURE
691
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,800
Nobody actually tells a woman
that when she has sex, you know,
692
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,760
there is a space where
she gets to have the pleasure.
693
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,000
She's not the one just giving
pleasure.
694
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:45,080
How women are satisfied,
what that looks like, how that works
695
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:49,160
in real life, like, it's still a
mystery, I think, to so many people.
696
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,960
Tell me what you think.
697
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:03,440
Honestly?
698
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,920
Think about all
the movies where men would be having
699
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,240
an important conversation...
700
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:09,320
Here's to old friends.
701
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,840
..and hot women would just be
sitting at the table
702
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,440
while it's happening. Just like,
kind of just there as decoration.
703
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,440
This round's on me.
704
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:22,960
The way in which women can just be
kind of present but unnecessary.
705
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,160
You be the man
and you be the woman.
706
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,720
You had to cast those two girls,
and they had to sit there,
707
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:33,760
fake fucking all day.
708
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,520
And...it's kind of a bummer.
709
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,800
I think it really does damage
to girls in particular,
710
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,280
that's what bothers me.
711
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:45,920
Girls feeling that they have
to behave a certain way
712
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,400
and look a certain way.
713
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,160
Without even consciously
realising it,
714
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,240
they will just assume that they are
less than...
715
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,040
..that they don't quite count
as much.
716
00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:06,400
The more that we perpetuate and
condone women as being merely
717
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,560
sex objects, the more readily boys
grow into men thinking
718
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,200
that that's
how women want to be treated.
719
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,080
It's in every movie and TV show
they've ever watched.
720
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,280
Actors who are starting out are used
in these films that ask for nudity
721
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:49,800
and sex scenes because
722
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,800
they don't know how to advocate for
themselves or they don't have the
723
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,760
power to advocate for themselves. An
A-list actor who's asked to do
724
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,920
a nude scene, they can have
a body double.
725
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,960
They get to say, "The light has to
be dim, and the actor can only
726
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,280
"touch me from here to here."
727
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:08,960
It's like I have never had
that much protection in a film,
728
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,760
but I've done nudity a lot.
729
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,680
Like, I've done sex scenes a lot.
730
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,800
It's like,
"Oh, you have to pay your dues
731
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,720
"and you just have to be grateful
that you're here at all."
732
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,000
I'm not some great, fabulous beauty.
733
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,560
When I walk into a room, people
don't turn around and go like,
734
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,960
"Who's that girl?
Put her in the picture."
735
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,560
I started taking classes
at James Franco's acting school.
736
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,440
When James took a chance on me,
I was so grateful.
737
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,680
The way that I got hired
for The Long Home was by getting
738
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,440
a text message from James.
739
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,720
He said, "I want you to be
in my movie.
740
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:52,320
"Nudity will be required.
741
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,360
"You're playing a prostitute. Do you
want to do it?" And I said...
742
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,880
.."Absolutely. Like, no questions
asked. Yes."
743
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,480
Hey, Candy, they want YOU.
744
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,320
And then things started
to sort of get a little tricky
745
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,760
because there were some scenes
that were added
746
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,680
that weren't in the script
that required nudity.
747
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,920
And one actress
didn't want to do it.
748
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,000
The next thing I know,
she's on a plane back to LA,
749
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,400
and she's not in the movie.
750
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,120
And I realised if I do something
like that, if I say,
751
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:32,720
"I'm uncomfortable with this,
752
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:34,800
"I don't want to do this,"
I'll lose my job.
753
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,840
Sarah Scott is an actress whose most
recent work includes an appearance
754
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,800
on the Seth Macfarlane show
The Orville,
755
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,320
and she played Courtney Love
in the film Soaked In Bleach.
756
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,320
Thank you for having the courage
to come in and talk to us.
757
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,080
This is an incident that happened
in May of '18, 2018.
758
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,280
Mm-hm, it's an independent TV pilot.
759
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,360
It was the last scene of the day.
760
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:09,320
I remember being really cold
that night and made mention of it.
761
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,600
My scene partner cuddled up to me
and said he would keep me warm.
762
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,200
Knowing that we were about to start
kissing,
763
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,360
I just kind of went with that.
That was fine.
764
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,680
He cuddled up to me and...
didn't think much of it.
765
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,520
At that point, he took my hand
under the covers
766
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,280
and brought it over to his...
767
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:34,760
..erection.
768
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,720
DEEP BREATHING
769
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,160
I pulled my hand back and looked...
and looked back over my shoulder,
770
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,120
like, "What the fuck?"
And he just said sorry.
771
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,120
SARAH SCOTT SIGHS
772
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,120
I've thought a lot about this.
I'm not upset with myself
773
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,960
that I didn't do something
in the moment,
774
00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:02,920
I'm very well aware
that that's very common.
775
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:07,080
A lot of the women I've spoken
to don't ever say anything.
776
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:12,440
And I think being in a professional
setting, I also just wanted
777
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,360
to be a professional and keep
going and finish the day off.
778
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,160
Cut. Terrific.
779
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:26,560
And so after the day had wrapped
up and I was getting ready to leave
780
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:32,760
for the night, my co-star walks
through my dressing room and starts
781
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,560
telling me that he's got a hard on.
782
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,120
He's got to go jerk off
in the bathroom.
783
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,440
When I turned around, he had taken
out his penis and started
784
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,840
to masturbate in front of me,
two feet in front of me,
785
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,480
and that's when I left.
786
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,800
So he did, however, in the LA
Times give a statement saying
787
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,880
that he was apologising, he said.
788
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,320
He admitted that he had put your
hand on his penis during a sex scene
789
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,000
but he said you were
sexually aggressive.
790
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:04,920
It was really disturbing to see
what a convincing case he made
791
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:10,080
in playing the sort of doe-eyed
innocent, embarrassed,
792
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:14,360
"Oops, I misread the situation."
And then even use the words
793
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,520
that, "I just mistook this for a
perk of our jobs."
794
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:21,960
It just became so clear to me
that I was dealing with someone
795
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,560
who was a predator.
796
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,400
I've been a proud union
member for over 15 years.
797
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,920
That's how I have my health
insurance and support my family.
798
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,200
So the way that I see myself
is that I'm kind of a
799
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:40,720
blue-collar working actor.
800
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,120
OK, ladies, I want to see
you dance
801
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,160
and I want to see you smile.
802
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:51,240
And you...
803
00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:54,240
I started to get this feeling like I
was the first actress to ever
804
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:55,760
call the union and say,
805
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,480
"Hey, I've been sexually
violated at work."
806
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,000
It's interesting because
the SAG-AFTRA basic agreement is
807
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:07,600
800 pages or something like that,
and nudity is, like, a page.
808
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:11,480
If that. It's like... Wow.
It's like I literally have it right
809
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,480
here on... It's half a page.
It's this. Wow.
810
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,680
Sexual harassment is not
mentioned in 800 pages.
811
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,480
Really? Yeah.
Interesting.
812
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,880
The situations, like,
that I've been in,
813
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,080
I think that the gentleman,
you know, whatever happened,
814
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,640
it wouldn't have happened
had I been more famous
815
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,480
or more powerful than he.
816
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:36,080
I was told by someone in the legal
department verbatim that, quote,
817
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,120
"I probably wouldn't be satisfied
818
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,040
"with the results of the hearing."
819
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,120
And I interpreted that as...
820
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,240
..basically nothing is going
to happen.
821
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,680
When the LA Times article came out,
822
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,240
a lot of actresses reached out to
me...
823
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,080
..just telling me, you know,
824
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,400
how proud they were and how...
825
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,720
..how many actresses had similar
experiences but never said anything.
826
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,280
And that made my stomach turn.
827
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:15,520
Just the realisation that this is
such a widespread problem
828
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:16,800
in this industry.
829
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,360
What does it mean for boys and girls
to grow up in a culture
830
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,080
where they see men being aggressive
in film to get the girl?
831
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,960
They pull women into these
passionate kisses.
832
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:43,520
Stop it!
833
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,080
Maybe she resists a little bit,
like right at first,
834
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:47,920
but he can kiss her into submission.
835
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,800
Wait a minute! Wait a minute!
836
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,560
Now that's a really common scene.
837
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:14,960
Hollywood certainly knows how to do
violence very, very well.
838
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,840
Much better than it knows
how to do sex.
839
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,680
When sex and violence come
together, it's rape.
840
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,040
No, no.
841
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,960
There's so many rape scenes
in movies because a lot of times,
842
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:31,920
you know, scripts are written
and they imagine
843
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,880
that this is the only way a female
character can get strong
844
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,920
is if she's raped - for no apparent
reason, other than they think
845
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,240
something bad needs to happen
to her so she can rise up
846
00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:43,600
and go murder all the people
in revenge.
847
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,280
MUFFLED CRIES
848
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,480
What kind of message does
that send out?
849
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,640
My name is Buck,
and I'm here to fuck.
850
00:53:54,360 --> 00:54:00,080
Your name is Buck and you
came here to fuck, right?
851
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,680
Wait a minute...
852
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,680
HE SCREAMS
853
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,920
There's some hatred
for women going on
854
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:06,960
when you have to brutalise people,
855
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,440
you know, and treat them
as subhuman, but then get the glory
856
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,480
that you create strong female
characters.
857
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,160
That's not strong women.
858
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,080
Those are brutalised women
that have to survive...
859
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,720
..and look good while doing so.
860
00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:30,720
In the age of the internet, actors
have to make this decision
861
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:37,080
of if I'm nude, it's going to get
giffed and played on a loop,
862
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,680
and you can't regulate that
any more.
863
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:47,680
The nudity will get repurposed
to do all sorts of things.
864
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,280
They'll put other people's faces on.
865
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,440
It's kind of not
what they signed up for.
866
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,320
You have to literally go and fight
them on every single website
867
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:05,000
these things appear on, and even if
you win, the next day it shows
868
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:06,680
up on a different website.
869
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,760
The producer basically responded by
saying, "This is just what happens.
870
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,800
"This is part of being an actor."
871
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,600
When Jennifer's Body was coming
out, we were at a new point
872
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:26,120
where we were seeing how social
media can be used as a tool to shape
873
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,760
perception. In the film,
874
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:34,680
I wanted to comment on the tropes
around how we look at girls'
875
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,040
and women's bodies,
876
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:40,480
looking back at late '70s,
early '80s horror slasher films.
877
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,560
But what that requires
is using the tropes.
878
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:53,040
There was a decision on the part
of the studio, I think, to market
879
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:58,920
the film to young boys as opposed
to young women, as if to promise
880
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,440
something with Megan Fox
that they were never going to get.
881
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,600
I was shocked by the reaction
and the way social media
882
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,000
kind of worked so quickly
against the film.
883
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:33,000
There was so much adolescent angst
about some lack of male relevance.
884
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,320
And I think since then we've seen
how much warfare is waged
885
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:44,160
against women by using their bodies
against them.
886
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,200
Now...
887
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,800
..pull your dress up and let me
see your legs.
888
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,440
The Hollywood machine is something
to be survived.
889
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,160
Turn around a second.
890
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,000
Is something wrong?
891
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,200
As a matter of fact,
everything is...
892
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,240
..very, very right.
893
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:14,000
It's very common to go to hotel
rooms and to be asked to audition.
894
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,920
That was kind of a thing
back when I started.
895
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,760
He's ready for you.
Thank you.
896
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:27,560
I was raised to believe
that you never wanted to make
897
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,040
a man uncomfortable.
898
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,720
You didn't want to make him feel
like he had done something wrong.
899
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:35,880
He grabbed me.
900
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:39,680
Tried to kiss me.
901
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,440
So if he advances on you,
you know, your thing is to
902
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,400
kind of giggle and ease yourself
out of there.
903
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:53,760
After I got blacklisted, I started
being harassed behind the scenes
904
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:55,440
by my monster.
905
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:57,960
He... He has...
906
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:00,640
..detectives on staff.
907
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,800
Harvey Weinstein is not
the only one.
908
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:15,800
We have situations now where
it's taken a while for a client
909
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,640
to be willing to come out
against somebody.
910
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,280
And, you know,
the studio makes excuses.
911
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,640
I could file a complaint
for you if that's what you want.
912
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:30,440
But I think you know
how it would come off.
913
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,680
You see all the people that protect
Harvey, this predator, and the many,
914
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:38,520
many predators there are
in this town that are very big guys
915
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:39,680
in the business.
916
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:44,800
There are so many other men.
They're not Harvey Weinsteins
917
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,040
but I don't want to wait until these
people are all Harvey Weinstein.
918
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,440
I want them to stop doing it now.
919
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,520
Doralee, please. I want you...
920
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,080
Men feel entitled...
921
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,600
..by a lot of stuff that's
rolling around in their heads
922
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:05,680
that has sexualised women and
embraced them as sexual commodities
923
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,960
to the extent that they feel
comfortable doing that.
924
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,200
If you're wearing something,
please get naked.
925
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,040
I believe in only two things.
The First Amendment and boobs.
926
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:15,640
She needs to drop a few.
927
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,760
What do you think about this?
Gretchen's beautiful. Beautiful.
928
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,240
I love the women's movement,
especially when walking behind it.
929
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,640
Now when you're sold as a sex
symbol, it's like the message
930
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,440
that men out there in the world get
is that they can all touch you
931
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,400
and that they own you.
932
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:29,800
It makes her a slut, right?
933
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:34,480
He began running his hands
over my body and grinding into me.
934
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,040
Because you've turned them on.
935
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:39,000
Nice ass.
You've made them do it.
936
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,120
You can do anything. Whatever you
want. Grab them by the pussy.
937
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:49,480
It really didn't feel that there was
a system in place for this
938
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:50,760
kind of a complaint.
939
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,760
How sure can this committee
be on the accuracy
940
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,120
of your statements?
941
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,680
What you want to do is destroy
this guy's life.
942
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,600
Are you interested in writing
a book?
943
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:04,880
Nobody has made amends.
944
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:06,000
Shame.
945
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:07,480
Nobody has apologised.
946
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:11,120
Nobody has taken ownership
of having done this to us.
947
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,200
I categorically
and unequivocally deny
948
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:18,600
the allegation against me
by Dr Ford. I have not been guilty
949
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,080
of sexual misconduct.
950
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:22,960
The allegation is completely false.
951
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,160
These allegations are false.
It's just not true. Not true.
952
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:31,400
You can't just be on our shoulders
and we can't continue to be gaslit
953
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:32,800
by these people.
954
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:36,520
We're made to feel like we're crazy
if we're being uncomfortable.
955
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:41,480
OVERLAPPING VOICES
956
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:43,480
Are you a scorned woman?
957
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:51,360
Are you guys ready to move
into a little bit of rehearsal?
958
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,200
You're going to be taking
off her shirt. OK.
959
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,480
And from what I understand,
it's a pretty wide neck,
960
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,920
so you shouldn't have any issue
just coming up and pulling
961
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,520
it over Jennifer's head. Yeah?
962
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,120
And then as we discussed,
you will take your bra off.
963
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:08,080
You know, you can position yourself
on the edge of the bed here, right?
964
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,560
Maybe you could place Dan's hand
somewhere on your upper inner thigh,
965
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,280
on the left leg. Maybe right here
would be fine.
966
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,440
And then here? Yeah.
967
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:19,960
You can move your head a little bit.
968
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:24,040
And you can cheat it so that your
head is not so turned.
969
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:25,240
Yeah.
970
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,760
And then... I'll be like this.
Great.
971
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:31,640
Love to see, touching his head,
tugging on his hair a little. OK.
972
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,400
How does that feel for both of you?
I'm fine.
973
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:36,960
OK. OK.
974
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:38,200
Great.
975
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:49,560
On season one, we had a moment
where there were some criticisms
976
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,400
of our lead actor, James Franco,
977
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,880
for stuff that had happened not
on our set,
978
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,520
but had happened on indie films that
he had worked on.
979
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:58,760
So what are you doing tonight?
980
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,400
But nonetheless, I felt
the need to ask
981
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:02,840
all the principal cast members,
982
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:04,800
did you have any problems
on our set?
983
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:08,000
Emily Meade rather bravely said
things didn't go right on set.
984
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:09,520
One day I'll tell you about it.
985
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:16,080
I was playing a prostitute
turned porn star.
986
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:20,840
I was 26...
987
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,960
..and I was starting to realise how
much I was having to constantly
988
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,600
dissociate, to, like,
show up to my job.
989
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,840
There were circumstances
where I wound up having to do
990
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,400
a very intimate sex scene
with a completely
991
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,160
random background actor.
992
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:46,240
I was not willing to be on the show
with things the way
993
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:50,080
they were, wanting to protect
the women involved in this show.
994
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,800
Emily basically said,
"We can do this better,"
995
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:54,320
and then it was our job to listen.
996
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,720
The best thing I could come up with
was that there should be
997
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:57,960
a person who was there,
998
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:01,040
who their sole job is to facilitate,
999
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:05,720
protect, and just be there for sex
scenes, like a stunt coordinator.
1000
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:07,800
GUNSHOTS
1001
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,760
HE GRUNTS IN PAIN
1002
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,560
We have entire departments
of people who are there to make sure
1003
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:14,560
nobody gets hurt
when we're simulating violence.
1004
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,440
But we hadn't, at this point, hired
somebody whose sole area
1005
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:23,680
of expertise was, let's make sure
nobody gets emotionally hurt
1006
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,920
or physically hurt, or, you know,
when we're simulating intimacy.
1007
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:33,800
I'm there to make sure the actors
are safe, but also to check
1008
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:37,080
in and make sure what is happening
on set is consensual
1009
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,240
and what is happening is
what was agreed to.
1010
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,040
I don't want to disappoint anybody.
1011
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:45,760
That was probably always the hardest
part for me,
1012
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:48,960
having to, like, look someone in the
eyes, a man specifically,
1013
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,240
and disappoint them about what I'm
willing to do, sexually.
1014
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,520
She could go tell the
director, like,
1015
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:57,600
"Emily's feeling
"a little strange about this,"
1016
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,160
warn the director of that so
they can roll their eyes,
1017
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,120
or have whatever private
reaction they want to,
1018
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:05,280
and I don't have to see it and feel
insecure or embarrassed.
1019
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,480
Let's go, sweetheart.
1020
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,480
And we're good?
1021
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,360
It was just the process
of having that conversation,
1022
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,280
and feeling like I had a choice,
and, like, I wasn't in a corner.
1023
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,040
All right. First step is Lori
and Andy.
1024
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,000
The Deuce wound up being the first
network television show
1025
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:22,800
to have an intimacy coordinator,
1026
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,080
and then HBO wound up being
the first network to have
1027
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:27,560
network-wide intimacy
coordinators used.
1028
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:32,320
There are certain things
that might have been acceptable
1029
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,000
five years ago, ten years ago,
20 years ago
1030
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,400
that are not acceptable now.
1031
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,560
And I think it took Time's Up,
1032
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:42,400
it took #MeToo, it took...
1033
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:46,680
..this entire shift for people to
look at scenes like this
1034
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:48,080
and say, "We can do better."
1035
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:51,720
You're going to listen, Laurie,
1036
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,080
whether you like it or not.
1037
01:04:56,360 --> 01:05:00,880
There's clearly a deeply
entrenched terror
1038
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,280
of male privilege and power
being taken away.
1039
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,880
I'm not going to be stopped
by three dumb-witted broads.
1040
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:13,040
I wanted to show that you could
cut off the head of power
1041
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:14,600
instead of biting at ankles,
1042
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:18,280
that if everybody is always kind of
complaining about the same thing...
1043
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:21,120
..maybe we can do something
about it.
1044
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,720
I do feel optimistic...
1045
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,160
..but Hollywood is definitely
sexist,
1046
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:40,120
definitely racist place.
1047
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:45,080
And it's going to take a
lot to dismantle...
1048
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:48,200
..those systems.
1049
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:51,400
The #MeToo movement ushered
in a greater level
1050
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,320
of the magnifying glass.
1051
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:59,120
That long-held patriarchal power
in Hollywood was rendered
1052
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:03,080
vulnerable, really, for the very
first time in a very real way.
1053
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,880
Harvey Weinstein surrendering
to police.
1054
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:09,360
Leslie Moonves' career at CBS
came to an end in September.
1055
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:12,920
..has been suspended in the wake of
sexual harassment accusations.
1056
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:16,760
James Franco snubbed by the Oscars
in a week of allegations...
1057
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:20,080
..found actor Kip Pardue guilty
of serious misconduct.
1058
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:25,560
I think that many films...
1059
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:28,240
..have women in peril.
1060
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:33,280
Some Prince Charming has to come
and save us.
1061
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,600
And we come to believe that we
1062
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:39,880
innately don't have
the power to save ourselves.
1063
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:40,920
But we do.
1064
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:45,600
Women are finally finding a voice.
1065
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,080
Before doing Vida,
1066
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,960
I hadn't experienced too much in
the roles of getting to play
1067
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,360
an American like me,
a Latina like me.
1068
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:18,080
It is by design that we are seeing
a woman pursue her sexuality
1069
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:20,960
and pleasure in a very unapologetic
fashion.
1070
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,680
We haven't got a chance to us,
like, create complicated
1071
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:29,960
images of ourselves, and these
girls I created were shitty, messy.
1072
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:31,840
They made really bad decisions.
1073
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:38,160
Dominant culture gets to tell
all that, all the time.
1074
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:40,480
When do we get to say it?
1075
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:47,240
The sex scenes started
in the writers' room.
1076
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:51,200
These girls, they knew exactly
how to get off, what they wanted.
1077
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:59,360
It progressed the story,
it wasn't as gratuitous.
1078
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,640
Tanya brought me into the editing
room just to make sure
1079
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,880
I was completely comfortable
with the way that certain things
1080
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:10,720
were being shot.
1081
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:13,640
You know, is this...is this
all right?
1082
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:17,160
It's nice to have somebody checking
in on you, even after the fact.
1083
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:26,520
The Sex Lives Of College Girls
is about
1084
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:29,040
freshmen, college suite mates,
1085
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:31,080
who are navigating their sexuality.
1086
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:34,400
So how does this work?
1087
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:37,280
Do we just take our clothes
off and go inside?
1088
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:39,280
Fuck it. I'm going in.
1089
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:40,600
I have a disability.
1090
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,680
My character clearly will
also have a disability.
1091
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:47,040
But who my character is, is not
predicated on the fact
1092
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:48,480
that I'm a disabled woman.
1093
01:08:48,480 --> 01:08:49,800
Honey, I pull.
1094
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:52,000
Hey.
1095
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,000
It's still about my sexuality.
1096
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,920
Do any of you know where a girl
named Sarah is?
1097
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,000
No. Sorry. I don't.
1098
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:04,080
It's the most refreshing thing
to have a character,
1099
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:06,160
especially a wheelchair user,
1100
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:08,960
be sexy, be sex positive, be sexual,
1101
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:12,080
to be seen as desired and loved,
1102
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:13,920
because we deserve it too.
1103
01:09:17,480 --> 01:09:20,640
There was a time in my life
when I felt...free.
1104
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:29,680
Oh, Jesus.
1105
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:32,600
I always knew that it would be noisy
1106
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:37,080
to make a show about female desire
and sexuality,
1107
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:40,800
about a woman who wants sex,
1108
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:42,240
who admits she's had sex,
1109
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,040
that she wants to have more of it,
1110
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:49,960
and not punishing her for her desire
is in itself a revolutionary act.
1111
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:54,120
When you make that woman a mother,
it is just charging straight
1112
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:58,000
into these opinions in society
1113
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,720
that martyrdom is
the ideal for mothers.
1114
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:02,880
Morning, mummy.
1115
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,680
I also felt like we cannot tell
this whole story,
1116
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,880
and just not even have one shot
of a penis.
1117
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:16,040
We put it in the cut,
1118
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:19,760
and the Netflix executives were very
nervous about it
1119
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,040
and asked us to consider
taking it out.
1120
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:26,560
They were concerned that it
would be off-putting to women.
1121
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,240
Not heterosexual women!
1122
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:32,240
I think everything I've been doing
1123
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:34,680
has been an attempt to investigate
the male gaze.
1124
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:38,960
All these ways in which the camera
has kind of stood in for an assumed
1125
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:43,040
masculine protagonist, and to kind
of reset it, saying, you know,
1126
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:46,560
"I'm the subject, you're the
object."
1127
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:51,000
Consent doesn't have to be this kind
of, like, mushy thing that's,
1128
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,600
like, shrouded in questions
about shame and gender.
1129
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,360
When I'm filming, I'm always wanting
to, like, put the camera
1130
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:04,760
into the place of the character's
desire.
1131
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:08,600
So it's like, instead of taking
the camera up here or out here,
1132
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:11,200
I'm always, like, literally
imagining the camera moving down
1133
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:12,560
into, like, the gut.
1134
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:18,200
Really, really opened up in me.
1135
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:21,960
My sensitivity as a human
being translated into what I could
1136
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:23,440
bring to the camera.
1137
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:31,240
The camera's approach is honouring
the space for the actors.
1138
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:35,120
Joey would say that I had a mussy,
1139
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,680
and say, "Jimmy, shoot
from your mussy."
1140
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:40,320
Because I don't think that a man
only has a male gaze
1141
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:42,240
or a woman would only have a
female gaze.
1142
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:48,960
I wanted to be naked because, first
of all, that had never been done.
1143
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:53,880
And the second reason was that
I wanted to show this relationship,
1144
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:58,000
and these two human beings are just
like, they have conversations
1145
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,160
after people take showers
and they're naked.
1146
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:05,400
We can't afford any more bills.
1147
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,400
I can't believe I have to say this.
1148
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,680
Trans people actually have sex.
1149
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:14,120
We have sex with other people!
1150
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:16,920
Isn't that weird? I know, it's
strange, but it's true.
1151
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:21,560
Everybody is doing this thing
called love.
1152
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:31,000
I'm really interested in pursuing
the notion of female desire.
1153
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:43,280
Be it ambition or sex or romance.
1154
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:46,320
The idea that there is
a subjectivity,
1155
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:49,040
and often a voraciousness
1156
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:51,640
that comes from a female
perspective.
1157
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:02,760
In terms of making films,
1158
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,560
the most important thing is women
have been doing this forever.
1159
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,040
You know, that we're not the first.
1160
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:18,000
Women were putting the camera
in a place of empathy.
1161
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:24,360
Yearning, longing, wanting.
1162
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:33,080
There is a rediscovery of lost
black films that celebrate
1163
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:34,640
romance and intimacy.
1164
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:38,440
These films have always existed.
1165
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:52,640
It's changing.
1166
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:54,080
You can feel it. You can feel it
1167
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:55,200
in the writers' rooms.
1168
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:57,520
You can feel it talking
to producers.
1169
01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:59,480
When I'm on the set
of Grace And Frankie,
1170
01:13:59,480 --> 01:14:01,440
half the people there are women.
1171
01:14:01,440 --> 01:14:05,840
Trust me, when I started out in '58,
'59, there wasn't a woman,
1172
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:08,720
except maybe the script supervisor,
on the set.
1173
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:12,000
We're making vibrators for women
with arthritis.
1174
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:13,720
Yes, vibrators!
1175
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:17,440
We're making things for people like
us, because we are sick and tired
1176
01:14:17,440 --> 01:14:20,760
of being dismissed by
people like you. Mic drop.
1177
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:23,040
OK, come on in.
1178
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:28,600
I'm hoping that there will be a more
seismic shift
1179
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:30,400
happening more rapidly now.
1180
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:31,600
Hey.
1181
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:33,400
Yeah, sure.
1182
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:35,040
I think we need more...
1183
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:37,320
You'll see more women greenlight
a series...
1184
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:42,080
..to greenlight a movie,
1185
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:47,720
and when you see that, you'll see
more movies that empower women.
1186
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:58,840
OK. And...cut.
1187
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:03,000
Actresses, for the first
time since I would say the '30s,
1188
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:04,760
have power.
1189
01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:10,440
Men want to be looking at women
in the way
1190
01:15:10,440 --> 01:15:13,880
that you look at a protagonist
in a movie, which is as yourself.
1191
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:18,360
And for some reason, I think
men weren't making
1192
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:20,360
that kind of transference.
1193
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:22,440
Now it's happening.
1194
01:15:22,440 --> 01:15:26,840
The beauty of film and television
and media
1195
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:31,000
is that we have the ability
to reach people's living rooms.
1196
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:34,320
And when you see somebody
that maybe doesn't look like you,
1197
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:38,840
but emotionally you see
yourself reflected in that way,
1198
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:43,360
all of a sudden that person
becomes more familiar to you.
1199
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:49,280
We have consumed for a very long
time
1200
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:53,320
ourselves outside of our own lens,
1201
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:56,120
that we are still figuring out
1202
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:57,720
what that means.
1203
01:15:59,440 --> 01:16:02,960
I think Hollywood is no longer
just a place of entertainment.
1204
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:05,640
I think that the power that
Hollywood holds
1205
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:10,120
is so great that it should
put its power to good use,
1206
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:12,240
which is representation.
1207
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:19,800
Hey, check this one out.
1208
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,520
I think nudity and sex
1209
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:25,720
is a really beautiful way to show
things without telling them
1210
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:27,920
and is a vital part of storytelling.
1211
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,160
And I actually feel better
doing it
1212
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:33,240
with an intimacy coordinator now.
1213
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,240
They have done something
and been involved in something
1214
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:40,680
that is important and I hope
permanent in this industry.
1215
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:43,520
And that's...
Yeah, it's pretty surreal.
1216
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:45,040
It's really...
1217
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:47,040
It feels very good.
1218
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:56,520
# I'm feeling myself
I'm feeling myself
1219
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:59,240
# I'm not gonna lie
I'm not that thing on the shelf
1220
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:02,240
# I'm feeling myself
I'm feeling myself
1221
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:05,520
# Cos I'm doing it better than
anyone else... #
1222
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:13,680
We're just getting started.
1223
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:15,640
All right, fellas.
1224
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:19,080
Getting the cameras into the hands
of the people who want them
1225
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:20,560
and deserve them.
1226
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:23,000
Fuck, yeah, Mom.
1227
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:26,960
Women don't stay silent for ever.
1228
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:30,120
Some women will see some
of these amazing pieces of work
1229
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:34,600
by women and start to kind of centre
themselves in their lives, you know?
1230
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,320
But it's not filmmaking's
job to do it.
1231
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:39,600
It's the world's job to centre
female pleasure.
1232
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,080
It's the world's job to understand
consent.
1233
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:45,880
You know, it's not female
film-makers' job to teach it.
1234
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:48,720
We got enough to do.
1235
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:51,000
# I'm feeling myself
I'm feeling myself
1236
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:54,040
# I'm not gonna lie
I'm not that thing on the shelf
1237
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:56,720
# I'm feeling myself
I'm feeling myself
1238
01:17:56,720 --> 01:18:00,680
# Cos I'm doing it
better than anyone else
1239
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,320
# I'm feeling myself
I'm feeling myself
1240
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:05,640
# I'm not gonna lie
I'm not that thing on the shelf
1241
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:09,720
# I'm feeling myself
I'm feeling myself
1242
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:12,120
# Cos I'm doing it
better than anyone else
1243
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:15,640
# Feeling myself
1244
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,240
# I'm-I'm feeling myself... #
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