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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:05,680 This programme contains explicit sexual scenes, very strong language, 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,120 some violent scenes and scenes of sexual violence 3 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:16,640 When I first signed with an agent, 4 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,000 they said, "Oh, yeah, you're going to have to get naked." 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,560 And everybody knows that winning the Oscar 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,360 represents that you're not going to get naked any more. 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,600 You're out there while the men are on the sides wearing parkas, 8 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,560 you're just standing there with no shirt on. 9 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,200 Everybody's standing staring at you. 10 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,640 A lot of the nudity that was asked of me was not in the contract. 11 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,960 I thought at the time, this is what paying your dues is. 12 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:48,520 I was afraid if I said no, that it would make me too vulnerable. 13 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,320 For some reason, saying no would make me more vulnerable 14 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:53,560 than being naked. 15 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:57,880 Did I have to be topless? 16 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:59,200 Probably not. 17 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,640 Already, as an artist, as an actor, 18 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,640 my body no longer belongs to me. 19 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,240 You were giving over your likeness to a character, 20 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,560 and then that character becomes something that belongs to the world. 21 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:13,800 And that's crazy. 22 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,440 This idea of, "Oh, I'm less of a true actor if I do nudity," 23 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:20,800 as if it's this negative thing. 24 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,480 But who decided that? 25 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,080 Who? 26 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,040 Zoom in if you can. 27 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:27,920 I wanted to be naked 28 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,800 so there's a sense of normalcy about what our bodies represent. 29 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,080 Not just for trans people, but period. 30 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,280 All these movies that I watched growing up 31 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,760 chipped away at my sense of who I was, 32 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,400 how to know who I was, how to know what I wanted. 33 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,960 How do we find our desire when we're so used to being looked at? 34 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:51,440 Interior bedroom night. 35 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:52,600 This is a closed set. 36 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,280 So if you're not in this scene or working this scene, 37 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,040 please exit the stage. 38 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,160 What we see over and over again 39 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:03,040 is women have to fight for ownership of their own body. 40 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,040 Yeah, here we go. 41 00:02:08,920 --> 00:02:11,320 Scene 20, take 5. 42 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,600 Take your robes off. 43 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:16,120 Action. 44 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,920 Everybody learns how to behave in sex and other things... 45 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:44,960 ..from the movies. 46 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,360 Our notions of ourselves, 47 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,000 our notions of beauty, our notions of romance, 48 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:57,600 what sex is allowed to be, and who it's allowed to be with. 49 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,440 How to kiss, how to have sex. 50 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,240 How to be tender, how to be violent. 51 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,040 I mean, there are so many things we learn from movies, 52 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:05,800 particularly when we're younger. 53 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,560 It's hard to talk about sex, 54 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,480 but here we have all of these examples of movies 55 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:21,520 and television and now the internet to show us 56 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,840 what we are thinking about our relation to sex through media. 57 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:30,640 Sex education. 58 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,160 Don't have sex, 59 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,360 because you will get pregnant and die. 60 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,160 That's it, then, for the penis. 61 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:38,960 Let's move on to the... 62 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,760 ..the female privates. 63 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:46,400 We are sex ed. 64 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,800 The TV industry and the film industry. We are sex ed. 65 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,240 When I didn't think I was going to make it 66 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:56,720 as a film-maker or as a director, 67 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,160 I really wanted to do sex education curriculums in high schools 68 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,720 because I just find so many things, like, so shocking 69 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,720 about what women and girls aren't ever told about sex. 70 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,080 Probably why I'm really fascinated as a director 71 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,400 with what happens behind closed doors. 72 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:33,120 I was raised so conservative and so Christian 73 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:38,600 that I remember watching Ace Ventura, 74 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,320 and it was the first time I realised that sex 75 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,520 wasn't just the penis going into the vagina, 76 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,960 because the bed was shaking back and forth, 77 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,520 realising that there was like an actual movement that happened. 78 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:56,480 For me, the sex scene that sticks out is Love Jones. 79 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,920 That was like one moment within the scene where Larenz 80 00:04:59,920 --> 00:05:02,600 actually kissed her nipple, 81 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,440 and I was like, "Whoa!" 82 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,800 Like, "They're allowed to put this in movies?!" 83 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,800 Like, this is crazy! 84 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,880 Oh, this is what sex looks like. 85 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,160 This is how I'm supposed to look as a woman. 86 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:21,600 When I was a teenager, 87 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,640 I remember watching Fast Times at Ridgemont High 88 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,040 and there was Phoebe Cates... 89 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:28,600 Hi, Brad. 90 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,120 ..who was the object of desire, 91 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:36,440 and so wanted and so unattainable, 92 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,200 and I remember thinking, like, I really want to be her. 93 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,320 I desperately wanted to be the object. 94 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,520 There's a long tradition in American movies of showgirls - 95 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,960 of literally showing girls. 96 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:16,480 Identical looking women opening their legs in unison. 97 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,080 Going back to the earliest musicals. 98 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:26,400 The idealised and commodified sexuality of women, 99 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,680 it's as old an invention as film. 100 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:44,680 Eadweard Muybridge was a photographer who would give lectures 101 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,440 and he would show very, very short sequences of motion. 102 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,040 When he got to the women, he fundamentally didn't know 103 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,720 what purposeful activity to give them to do. 104 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:05,760 And so he had them flirt fans or walk up some stairs 105 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,000 or walk down some stairs. 106 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,240 One woman is gazing longingly at another woman. 107 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,040 So, the men act... 108 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,440 ..and the women are always aware of being looked at. 109 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,160 Jane, 30s, beautiful, but pissed. 110 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,960 Jane, an attractive and fit nurse in her late 30s. 111 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,040 Jane, 40s, looks 35. 112 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,040 Pretty. Hispanic. Smart and beautiful. 113 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,160 "We need a woman who's strong-willed but hot." 114 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,920 She has to be strong-willed but hot, 115 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:56,840 meaning that a strong-willed woman 116 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:58,720 is usually not attractive. 117 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,280 The bimbo. Hot mamacita. 118 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,600 Seductress. Voluptuous. 119 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,800 Curvaceous. Sassy. 120 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,720 I make you feel real nice today. 121 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,760 I played this one character 122 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,640 who was an Asian masseuse. 123 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:22,040 And I remember when that casting breakdown was being faxed to me 124 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:26,240 and was like, "Is she also a bad driver and is she good at maths?" 125 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,560 I mean, how many stereotypes can you roll into this one character? 126 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,120 You read some of these scripts and you're like, 127 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,560 "This is what you're going to do? 128 00:08:35,560 --> 00:08:37,880 "This? And then you're going to get money to make this, 129 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:39,880 "and then you're going to put this thought out 130 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:41,840 "into the world with these characters?" 131 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,240 When I first started my TV writing career, 132 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,240 they were always looking for a female writer to hire. 133 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,040 It's terrible to say, but at the time I felt really fortunate. 134 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,200 I was like, "Oh, they're looking for a female writer. 135 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:56,560 "I could be that female writer." 136 00:08:56,560 --> 00:08:58,280 But of course I wasn't putting it together 137 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,800 because they already have a writers' room of 11 guys. 138 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:06,160 And there wasn't a lot of interest in... 139 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,480 authentic female stories, I'll put it that way. 140 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:13,880 In some ways I think there's a lot of 20 and 30-something male writers 141 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:15,600 who, they'd admit, 142 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,640 "I'm not really sure I want to know what's in a woman's head," you know? 143 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,200 "I'd rather stand out here and put a gun in a guy's hand 144 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,120 "and I'll write that story." 145 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,800 In some respects, we may have been shirking it. 146 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:31,600 They were just telling their stories, 147 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:36,520 and in their stories, many times, we were one dimensional objects. 148 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:41,240 It's limited choices, 149 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,480 and that's just because it comes from limited imaginations. 150 00:09:48,560 --> 00:09:51,200 You bad girl. 151 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,160 You'll find out. 152 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:55,720 In the very early cinema, 153 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,680 shockingly, you find something different. 154 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,480 In the late '20s, early '30s, 155 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,760 we did have a lot of women writing screenplays. 156 00:10:09,560 --> 00:10:12,000 I mean, a lot. I would say, like, 50-50. 157 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:19,000 What you're seeing is the modern woman expressed on screen. 158 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,480 I don't believe in what you believe, that's all. 159 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:22,960 I don't want to get married. 160 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,680 I'm a doctor. 161 00:10:24,680 --> 00:10:26,320 And, very importantly, 162 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,840 you can have a woman be very sexually adventurous. 163 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,680 Hold me close. 164 00:10:32,680 --> 00:10:35,880 The '20s and '30s was the sexiest time 165 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,200 for women in movies. 166 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,320 The Bette Davises, the Mae Wests. 167 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:42,920 A little bit spicy, but not so raw. 168 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:44,360 You know what I mean? 169 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:48,280 The Garbos. They were naughty women. 170 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,640 They were dangerous women. 171 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:54,520 Your hand is shaking. 172 00:10:58,560 --> 00:11:01,720 Women who starred in the movies had a lot of power in those days, 173 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,080 and they were box office 174 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,840 and they were saying, "I want to do stuff that's real." 175 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:07,320 I want to do it 176 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,600 and not have somebody tell me I ought to do something else. 177 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,920 Women and film were enjoying free expression. 178 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,080 And all of a sudden this vein was just cut off. 179 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:29,680 It was just gone. 180 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:33,360 The vulgar, the cheap and the tawdry is out. 181 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,360 There is no room on the screen at any time 182 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,960 for pictures which offend against common decency. 183 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,760 The Hollywood Production Code was invented 184 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,760 so that Hollywood could police itself 185 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:53,560 and, in that policing, prevent any kind of state censorship. 186 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:56,400 Goodnight. Goodnight. 187 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,760 Couples are sleeping in separate beds. 188 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,400 Keep both feet firmly planted on the floor. 189 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,280 Kisses were only allowed to be three seconds long, 190 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:14,200 and what the kiss would lead to could never be shown. 191 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:22,640 No sexual relations between white and black characters. 192 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,840 There was no sex allowed outside of marriage. 193 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:27,160 Goodbye, Mother. 194 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,200 But also sex outside of marriage, to the extent that it could be shown, 195 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,200 had to be shown as something that was tragic. 196 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,080 Goodbye, baby. 197 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:36,840 GUNSHOTS 198 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:38,800 We had different groups of people 199 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,800 locked into a certain representation. 200 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,480 Just hold on and suck in! 201 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,720 They're servants. They're the sidekick. 202 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,400 Turn me loose...! 203 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,920 Hattie McDaniel, who was crazily talented, 204 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,360 had to perfect the ability to play Mammy. 205 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,280 What's that rustling noise I hear? 206 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,640 Lord, Mr Redd, that ain't nothing but my red silk petticoat 207 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,120 you done give me. 208 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,040 Black woman had to be positioned in this way 209 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,000 in which they were sexually nonthreatening 210 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,160 to white women on screen. 211 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,240 Later on, they were hypersexual or deviant. 212 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,320 I suggest that, while you're on this ship, 213 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,560 you wear something a little less revealing. 214 00:13:14,560 --> 00:13:16,720 Does it bother the captain? 215 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:21,880 Hollywood didn't have in mind black female actresses as leading ladies. 216 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:30,000 Anna May Wong was the first Chinese American movie star. 217 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,240 She was always cast as the Dragon Lady... 218 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:36,040 Ronald... 219 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,920 ..the person who would steal your husband. 220 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,840 With the code, interracial marriage was not acceptable. 221 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,560 It prevented her from ever being a leading lady. 222 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:49,880 Don't do anything foolish. 223 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:53,720 Women's roles were destroyed... 224 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:57,440 Now you listen to me. You're going to marry Phil Marshall 225 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,880 and keep your mouth shut till you die. 226 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:04,480 ..just at a time when women and film were enjoying some agency. 227 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,040 After my first movie, when I started going on auditions, 228 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,760 I hated asking for anything. 229 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:30,520 And just by dint of being there, you're kind of in this position, 230 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,720 you know, to say alms for the poor. 231 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,960 ..because I forget that I'm famous... 232 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,760 The feedback I would get, you know, going in for, like, 233 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,240 these female leads would be like, "Is she sexy enough?" 234 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,960 Do it like Shakespeare but sexy. OK. 235 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,320 Right there, please. Nice to meet you. 236 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:53,440 You're being dissected immediately for your body. 237 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,520 And it's something about being in a long hallway 238 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:01,920 with all these girls with tight tops and mini skirts on and a big dream. 239 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,960 The amount of parts that say "nudity required" 240 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,320 or, like, "simulated sex required" 241 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,280 creates a situation where all women have to decide yes or no 242 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,960 before they even get to audition for the role. 243 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:21,000 You will lose out on work if you're not willing to do nudity. 244 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,520 At the big studios they called it Bikini Day. 245 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,600 They would write a part for a girl 246 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,640 that had to be in a bikini for no apparent reason. 247 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,640 So then they would have auditions for said Bikini Girl, 248 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,800 and that would be the day they could get all of the producers there 249 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,840 and the director there to decide on other, more important roles. 250 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:50,000 When I was younger, I definitely went to auditions 251 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,360 for the...the... You know... 252 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:54,840 Sexy teenager. 253 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:58,640 Lorimar presents Blake Edwards' SOB. 254 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,320 We were all required to come in wearing a bikini. 255 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:07,480 I was very well-endowed. And I got the part. 256 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,960 We were about to shoot Blake Edwards. 257 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,640 He said, "OK, so Rosanna, when you come in. You know what? 258 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,200 "Let's just lose the bikini top. OK, everybody, let's go." 259 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,680 And I was like, "Mr... Mr Edwards, 260 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,760 "you mean take my... Take my bikini top off?" 261 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,120 I was 19 at the time. 262 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,640 And he goes, "Yeah, do you have a problem with that?" 263 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,840 And I said, "Well, I didn't know I was going to be nude. 264 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,840 "I didn't know I was going to be naked." 265 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:41,000 And he goes, "Oh, man, Tony." His producer, he goes, "Call her agent." 266 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,680 And I just remembered, like, everybody waiting for me 267 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,200 and then looking, you know... 268 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:49,320 And I was such in a panic and I did it. 269 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:53,440 And I was... Felt very humiliated and very sad about it. 270 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,960 But, you know, this was... those days. 271 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,680 It was a completely different consciousness. 272 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,600 You were expected to do these things. 273 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,520 The best way to do this, to get the right head motion 274 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,720 and also the DP's going to have to put the camera in the right place, 275 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,080 is you make a fist, you put your thumb here. 276 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,720 You suck your own thumb, 277 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,280 and if you put the camera right behind them, 278 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:33,360 then you get the whole thing and it gets... Freaky. 279 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:36,120 ..look of it. Wow. 280 00:17:36,120 --> 00:17:38,800 I did not know that. Wow. 281 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,400 Yep. OK. 282 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,120 Today, we're going to be getting to the core of what does it mean 283 00:17:44,120 --> 00:17:46,080 to be an intimacy coordinator 284 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,040 and, like, how does all this stuff function? 285 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:53,600 We're going to talk about the three most common types or, like, themes 286 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,880 in choreography, which are romance, passion, dominance. 287 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,720 So what sorts of touch are associated, 288 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,520 and then what are some, like, hints in terms of often dialogue 289 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,840 that we're going in the direction of this theme. 290 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:16,000 Romance typically has a gentle but solid feeling at the same time. 291 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,440 See how light he's being? Yeah. Yeah. 292 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:25,360 Long, soft, continuous strokes over different areas of the body - 293 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:27,280 that reads romantic. 294 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,680 They're about to go into passion. 295 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,360 And here we go. 296 00:18:39,360 --> 00:18:43,800 It's kind of animalistic and they kind of just, like, allow themselves 297 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,760 to get lost in the experience and it's a bit out of control. 298 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,280 So the last one's dominance. 299 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:09,720 The energy tends to be cool, calm, collected. 300 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:16,440 It can be sadistic. 301 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,320 Can be punishing. 302 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:29,040 Just is occurring to me how fraught this is for men. 303 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,440 A lot of them are afraid of, like, 304 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,720 "What if I, like, cross another person's boundaries?" 305 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,120 Or, "What if I, like, harm her or do something?" You know... 306 00:19:36,120 --> 00:19:38,280 And yet to do a good job, it needs to look a certain way. 307 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,400 I mean, it's a lot of... It's like an exaggeration 308 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,520 of everything in the culture happening... Yeah. 309 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,920 OK. Here we go. Let's lock it up, please. 310 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:48,400 Take one. 311 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,960 All right. Quiet now, on a bell. 312 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,920 BELL RINGS 313 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,280 And...roll, please. 314 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,120 Speed! 315 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,560 If there's going to be nudity or a sex scene in a movie, 316 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,280 SAG has certain requirements. 317 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,000 They have to send you in writing 318 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,880 what the sex or the nudity is going to entail. 319 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:25,680 The Nudity Rider is a very thorough list of what can or cannot be shown 320 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,560 and what you will or will not do. 321 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:33,800 You have these fairly dry conversations 322 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,160 about boob, side boob, 323 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,080 nipple, flank. 324 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,640 That's a big one, flank. 325 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,120 Let me see your tits. 326 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,480 For the purposes of this nudity consent rider, player agrees 327 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:53,000 that player services will require nudity and/or simulated sex scenes 328 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,600 in accordance with the terms and conditions provided herein. 329 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,040 Very nice. 330 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,440 I'll show the side of my breast, but not my nipple. 331 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,280 I'll show my rear end. 332 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,160 But I only want part of the butt crack to show. 333 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:12,040 It's sometimes a little odd to go through how specific it is. 334 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,880 You know, whether you're going to see the nipple or not 335 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,000 or the areola or not. 336 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,680 It even gets as specific 337 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,280 as, like, if you have a position, if you're doing, like, doggy style, 338 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,880 for example, it includes the anal cavity. 339 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,360 And even with the nudity rider, it's not entirely perfect. 340 00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:31,880 Thought that's what you wanted. 341 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:36,240 It has definitely happened where people thought a scene 342 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,680 was going to get portrayed one way and they arrive 343 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:43,440 and all of a sudden the director has this other really creative idea. 344 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,760 The sex scene wasn't, "Oh, we're making love." 345 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,880 It's very harsh. 346 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:57,400 Things that they would not have agreed to if they had understood 347 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,680 how the director was going to film that nude scene. 348 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,840 If it's not SAG, you don't have protections. 349 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,640 There's that whole arena of movies where you're not covered by a union. 350 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,760 You have no protections. 351 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:20,720 I went on set and I discovered that I had two nude scenes, not one. 352 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,520 I was told that it was going to be empowering. 353 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,080 In this industry, things happen so fast. 354 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,480 They don't really, you know, sit down with you 355 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,160 like, "Oh, we're thinking about doing it this way, 356 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,080 "or this other way." 357 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:39,600 When I saw the final product, I didn't think it was tasteful at all. 358 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,160 Talent to set. 359 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:52,040 And that's why it's really so important on a set to have a person 360 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,960 who can help you enforce your rights. 361 00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:56,440 Action. 362 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:10,960 The hair I'm using is human hair, it's permed and straightened. 363 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,840 And I've got two or three different colours here 364 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,280 and I'm blending the colours together. 365 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,800 Actors that are doing mainstream entertainment 366 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,840 are not signing up to do a real sex scene. 367 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,280 They're not really having sex, 368 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,040 but they have to really look like they are. 369 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:38,200 So a merkin is essentially a pubic hair wig. 370 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,360 A lot of ladies say they like wearing the modesty garment 371 00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:44,560 with a merkin over it cos they look totally naked 372 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,240 but they don't feel like they are. 373 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,000 They feel like they're wearing an item of clothing still, 374 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,080 so they feel safe. 375 00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:56,360 And then when it's done, it's very natural looking. 376 00:23:56,360 --> 00:23:58,840 I like to present them in nice little boxes. 377 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,400 Kind of makes everybody kind of comfortable 378 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,560 about the whole situation, which can be very awkward. 379 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,400 Hi. Good morning. Hi. 380 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,680 Do you have any skin allergies? No. Perfect. 381 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,080 The experience of shooting a sex scene is, like, 382 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,520 the least sexy thing in the world. 383 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,120 They will have a modesty garment on, 384 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:45,560 which is a very small pair of panties 385 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,160 that has no sides and no back. 386 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,040 Some people are very nervous. 387 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,760 It's not something they do every day. 388 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:01,520 And, action for rehearsal. 389 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,880 It's also strange because you usually just meet, 390 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,640 and there you are touching each other 391 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,160 and laying all over each other. 392 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,640 Let's have her on top now. Roll over. 393 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,200 That's great. 394 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,840 Hold there. 395 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,920 With rehearsal, we just kind of walk through the steps. 396 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,480 OK, now start over. 397 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,200 "Here's the position." Or, "Now they're on the couch." 398 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:23,680 Or, "Now you're sitting here. 399 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,720 "Go right, left, up, down. Spin in a circle and land. 400 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,760 "And then the guy's going to yank your head back." 401 00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:33,400 You don't go to school and learn how to, you know, 402 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,480 choreograph sex scenes. 403 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,200 Cameras rolling. 404 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,600 I was on set, and was working on a film 405 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,040 that required quite a bit of nudity. 406 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:49,200 The DP tried to sneakily and very slowly move the camera, 407 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,600 so that it could shoot the lower part of me nude 408 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,080 as well as the upper part. 409 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,000 Every day that I went to work after that, 410 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,480 I thought about how much had they shot that we hadn't caught. 411 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,840 Playing an intimate scene with another partner, you know, 412 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,320 it's awkward, not intimate at all, and very disconnected. 413 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,960 When I watched it, the nakedness of my body 414 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,760 being turned into an image for anyone to see, 415 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,240 suddenly, I realised my body wasn't mine. 416 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,920 You're simulating sex, 417 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,960 but there's only so much simulating you can do. 418 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,440 You can't simulate a kiss - you have to really kiss someone. 419 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,360 And you have to really touch their naked body. 420 00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:39,520 Like, I almost - when I have had to do sex scenes, and I've done many - 421 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,440 it's almost like I go into a blackout. 422 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,400 Like, I just have to get it over with. 423 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,320 I wake up that morning with so much dread. 424 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,040 Oftentimes, I did what I normally do when I get freaked out, 425 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,160 I just kind of leave my body and float up to the ceiling. 426 00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:59,840 My first tendency is, almost, go numb to it, 427 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,840 because it's too intense. 428 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,600 And yet, if I do that, then I'm not present 429 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,640 and I'm not doing the best work as an actor that I can do. 430 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,840 With American puritanism, 431 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,440 it's hard to talk about sex. 432 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,840 Sex is taboo. 433 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:28,200 It is the realm of real people in real bodies 434 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,280 having relations with one another. 435 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,600 That's not so comfortable to the film-makers. 436 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,800 Say mercy! No. Come on. No. 437 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,240 Say mercy. No. 438 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,720 The first sex scene I ever did was on my first feature, DEBS, 439 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,800 and I was so nervous. 440 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,920 Nobody feels comfortable talking about sex, period. 441 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,040 Nobody feels comfortable saying they're uncomfortable. 442 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,840 It's a moment of intimacy. 443 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,600 Trying to have, like, a ten-minute conversation with a director 444 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,160 or a producer to be like, "So, you're OK with these things? 445 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,960 "Check, check, check," is not a very thorough way 446 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,760 to define your boundaries. 447 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:16,760 There is so much shame around the body, around desire. 448 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:21,560 There are a lot of directors who don't know how to talk about sex, 449 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:27,640 because it remains this forbidden area of our lives. 450 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,320 Oh, God. Oh... 451 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,120 Jesus Christ. 452 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:45,960 The 1960s and the early '70s were the era of sexual revolution. 453 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,600 Everything was changing. 454 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,960 And with the rise of hardcore pornography on big screens, 455 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,760 the avant-garde - like Andy Warhol's art films - 456 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,920 and the Europeans leading the way, 457 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,240 I think it just became absurd for movies to pretend 458 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,880 that the era of the code was still operating. 459 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,640 Mom. 460 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,600 This is John. 461 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:24,920 The world of European sexual liberty... 462 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,680 ..and American prudery sort of come together 463 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,960 in the career of Jane Fonda. 464 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,280 Man, you sure do look different. 465 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,840 Oh, boy. You not only don't talk much, you don't say much. 466 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,560 JANE FONDA: In the first part of my career, when I was playing 467 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,840 ingenue roles here in the United States, 468 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,080 I was never asked to take my clothes off. 469 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,720 I mean, this was the late '50s, early '60s. 470 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,640 It wasn't until I went to France, 471 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,960 under the guidance of Roger Vadim. 472 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,000 I fell in love with him, and I eventually married him. 473 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,040 I knew what I was getting into. 474 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,640 He never made a movie where women weren't undressed, 475 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,080 so I knew that was coming along - and it did, and I did it. 476 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,920 Roger promised me that he would use the letters of the titles 477 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,480 to cover...the important things. 478 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,520 Which was only partly realised. 479 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,960 I was utterly terrified. 480 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,960 I was 30, I should have known better. 481 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:39,360 But I was at a place in my life when if you were asked to do something, 482 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,760 especially by a man, you did it. 483 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,200 I didn't know anything about nudity clauses and contracts, 484 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,840 and all those other things. 485 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,920 I just did what I was told. 486 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,760 And so I... 487 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,840 I just got drunk, basically. 488 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:07,200 Now it was possible to play with different rules, 489 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,720 but the different rules were not a whole lot different 490 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,520 from the old rules. 491 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,520 I think these early films showed how, for men, 492 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,520 sex is a very homosocial relation, 493 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:27,160 whether it's Jon Voight and Dustin Hoffman in Midnight Cowboy... 494 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:28,840 Here. 495 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,520 ..or Art Garfunkel and Jack Nicholson in Carnal Knowledge. 496 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,560 What do you say? 497 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,640 What the man is often doing 498 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:42,640 is proving his virility to his friends via a woman. 499 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,360 Breasts were now completely available for looking at, 500 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:53,400 but male frontal nudity was really frowned on. 501 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,240 Real portrayal of romance and intimacy, 502 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,240 as it's practised in life, 503 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,880 weren't part of the American cinematic lexicon 504 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,840 for decades and decades and decades. 505 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,160 And suddenly, when censorship lifted in the 1960s, 506 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,360 we went from having romance without sex 507 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,720 to having sex without romance. 508 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,320 Oh, yeah. 509 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,920 Wait. 510 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,160 Why don't you turn out the lights? 511 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,720 In the '70s so-called blaxploitation films, 512 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,360 you see a lot of sex, drugs, 513 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,760 lots of female nudity, 514 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:43,160 and these different characters who were not Sidney Poitier 515 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,240 being accepted into a white world. 516 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,480 We have bad-ass heroes, right? 517 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,080 Black heroes. 518 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,120 They spoke to the black power movement 519 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,040 and the black feminist movement. 520 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,440 You want me to crawl, white motherfucker? 521 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,560 What are you doing? Put that down. 522 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,600 You want to spit on me and make me crawl? 523 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,160 The people loved it. 524 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,400 We were breaking all kinds of records. 525 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,240 Black women were, quote, sex goddesses for the very first time. 526 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,320 For our hue, it was new. 527 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,640 How many love scenes did you see of us in any movie 528 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,240 during that period of the '60s and '70s? 529 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,120 None. 530 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,400 But, of course, there was controversy from the very beginning. 531 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:42,800 There's harems of women who were at the disposal of these men, 532 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,600 which really highlighted their sexual bodies. 533 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,480 Sort of an extreme voyeuristic eroticism. 534 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,360 Turn around slowly. 535 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:04,960 Of course, you had Gloria Hendry, 536 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,280 who was the first black woman being a Bond girl. 537 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,040 Ah, beautiful, brave, and now resourceful. 538 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,960 It was really a watershed moment. 539 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,760 But the film only goes so far. 540 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,200 I think that the white people were scared of the repercussions 541 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,920 of their base, having a black activist wind up with Bond. 542 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,680 Oh, James. 543 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,720 She's killed, of course. 544 00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:39,720 A black activist couldn't possibly wind up with Bond. 545 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,920 Out of 5,000 pairs of legs, I was chosen. 546 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,760 And I thought, wow, 547 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,200 no-one's ever going to know that it's me on the screen. 548 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,240 It was just like a cattle call, 549 00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:12,120 and they were like, "Your legs, yes. Your legs, no. Your legs, maybe." 550 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,360 OK, let's bring in the body double. 551 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,320 Hi. Hi. 552 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,440 I'm Mindy. Pleased to meet you. Nice to meet you. 553 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,240 Our body is on the film that you're seeing. 554 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,680 You're there to make the actress look perfect. 555 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,800 Perfect legs, perfect breasts. 556 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,600 Perfect body. 557 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,120 I think the public would be shocked to find out 558 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,320 how many hands aren't really the hand of the talent, 559 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:42,920 or the butt of the talent. 560 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,320 Kim Basinger. 561 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,560 Madonna, Barbra Streisand. 562 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,880 In Pretty Woman, the whole opening scene, 563 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,520 where she's getting dressed to meet Richard Gere, 564 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,200 that's my body. 565 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,480 Body doubling is really hush-hush. 566 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,000 I was Janet Leigh's acting double in the shower scene of Psycho. 567 00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:08,480 You don't see her face - that's me. 568 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,600 That's the back of my head, 569 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,360 my hands, my arms, my belly button. 570 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,080 Janet Leigh wrote her biography, 571 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,480 and she let on that she did the whole thing. 572 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,560 Pissed me off. 573 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,560 That I wasn't recognised. 574 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,680 In Rising Sun, I was the live body sushi plate. 575 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,320 A SWAT team is breaking through the window, and I'm there nude 576 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:44,880 with this sushi on me. 577 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,800 And I remember looking away, saying, 578 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,760 "I'm not going to get cut by the glass." 579 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,720 But if you're a body double, they pull you out like a chicken dinner. 580 00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:55,240 You're like, bring out the breasts, bring out the thighs, 581 00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:57,640 bring out the leg. They just think, oh, you're just there. 582 00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,720 You're just kind of not real. 583 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:13,880 Somebody in the producing department wants there to be less smile lines. 584 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,400 So I've aged her down slightly. 585 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,360 My work consists of visual effects generally, but a lot of requests 586 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:25,960 I get from clients is 587 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,400 to do beauty work. 588 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,400 She's got a little mole here. 589 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:32,880 Sample it. 590 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,760 And...all right... 591 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,760 Removing blemishes, freckles, pubic hair, 592 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,480 slimming people up, 593 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,640 making them look younger. 594 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,560 It was a heavily guarded secret when it first came out. 595 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,080 Now, most people on television and film get it done. 596 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,160 As far as making somebody look younger, it's mostly a request 597 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:08,200 for women, cleaning up, like, bags under the eyes or neck wrinkles. 598 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,480 I get asked to do face replacements a lot, and usually 599 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,360 that has to do with stunts. 600 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,760 So if there's a stunt double and their face is visible, 601 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,240 then we put the actual actor's face on the stunt. 602 00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:23,480 But they're starting to do this more often for beauty purposes, 603 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,440 so you get a stunt body or a body double. 604 00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:29,880 In Game Of Thrones, 605 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,240 it was somebody else's body, and her head was literally stitched 606 00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:34,960 right on top of that body. 607 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,600 There was a request that came in from a client 608 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,920 for me to remove a postnatal belly. 609 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,200 Because this actress had just given birth. 610 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,080 So that was just a matter of taking her body, 611 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,640 Rotoing it out, cutting it out, 612 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,920 squeezing it and then basically 613 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,360 putting it right back on and cleaning up the background 614 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,040 wherever her belly would have been. 615 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,400 That was before. 616 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,560 And that's after. 617 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,800 Actors and actresses buy into it and THEY persist it 618 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,640 and THEY ask for it because they believe that this is important 619 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,560 and this is needed and that we need to portray our best selves. 620 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,800 We should all be looking like china dolls, you know, 621 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,640 we should all have flawless faces. 622 00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:26,000 Whatever we do, we always want to look our very best. 623 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:32,000 I don't respond to ultra-beauty in my life. 624 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,600 I like flaws and I like to see natural people. 625 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,720 I feel like I'm part of the problem 626 00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:39,840 instead of the solution for that. 627 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,120 INDISTINCT CHATTER 628 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,240 Damn it! I can't see a thing! 629 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,040 In American movies... 630 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,800 Mind if I join you? 631 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,280 ..there has always been limits to who's allowed to be sexual. 632 00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,520 Ah... 633 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,560 I worked for a television producer 634 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,800 earlier in my career who, when we were casting day player roles, 635 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,960 said, "There are no fat women in my shows." 636 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,280 And I remember at the time going, 637 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,200 "Wow, like he's created a whole universe, 638 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,880 "and it's true, in his brand, there are no fat women." 639 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,360 I'm fat. That's not a bad word. 640 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,160 And I am fat, naked and in front of a lover too. 641 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,920 I only see that as a joke. 642 00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:33,760 I get it. You're self-conscious about your body. 643 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,840 Don't worry. I was going to shut the lights off anyway. 644 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,360 But then, for us, it's like, "Turn off the lights. Don't see me." 645 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,840 What we see on the screen affects what you take into the bedroom. 646 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,160 You're cool with going out the back again, right? Um... 647 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,480 It is very few, very few, 648 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,760 extremely rare 649 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,520 and far between 650 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,440 to see people with disabilities in sexual situations. 651 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,160 So people don't genuinely think that it exists. 652 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,400 I don't want you 653 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,720 to miss all the things that someone else could give you. 654 00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:14,200 Louisa... 655 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,680 I once told my manager, "I'm not going to play anybody in a hospital, 656 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,560 "I'm not going to play any more lawyers 657 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,920 "or desexualised trans people, 658 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,520 "and I'm not going to play anyone who visits anybody in a hospital." 659 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,520 And I didn't work for two years. 660 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,680 So, if I keep taking the hormones... You'd be feeding the cancer. 661 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,160 Are you saying if I become a woman, I could die? 662 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,680 In Hollywood, exclusion is part of the story. 663 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,120 Here, try this. 664 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,440 VOICEOVER: When I was a teenager, there wasn't 665 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,440 that much queer representation at all. 666 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,320 So what do you think? 667 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,240 You'd like, scour the video store for, like, 668 00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:59,320 obtuse glances between women on video boxes. 669 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,720 In The Color Purple, these women love each other, 670 00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:06,680 they see each other sexually, 671 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,080 but doesn't go full-on into sex scenes. 672 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,000 You two have met, haven't you? 673 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,840 Or it's about some weird 674 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,800 male fantasy spectacle. 675 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,560 And we have to remember, the censors are white, 676 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,760 cisgender, heteronormative men... 677 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,240 ..who said, "Look, if you're going to do this, 678 00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:35,240 "if you're going to be naked, we want to see two women together. 679 00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:37,280 "Because that's art." 680 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,040 Right? 681 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,600 Penises are pornography. 682 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,440 Tits are art. 683 00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:00,440 Film has been men showing other men what they see. 684 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,240 What is visual pleasure? 685 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,320 It's not actually about watching two other people. 686 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,600 All it is is about the male fantasy. 687 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,920 I don't know anything that I saw growing up that told me 688 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,040 that I could have the agenda of being the one 689 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,480 who wanted the pleasure. 690 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:29,760 HE GRUNTS WITH PLEASURE 691 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,800 Nobody actually tells a woman that when she has sex, you know, 692 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,760 there is a space where she gets to have the pleasure. 693 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,000 She's not the one just giving pleasure. 694 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:45,080 How women are satisfied, what that looks like, how that works 695 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:49,160 in real life, like, it's still a mystery, I think, to so many people. 696 00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,960 Tell me what you think. 697 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:03,440 Honestly? 698 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,920 Think about all the movies where men would be having 699 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,240 an important conversation... 700 00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:09,320 Here's to old friends. 701 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,840 ..and hot women would just be sitting at the table 702 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,440 while it's happening. Just like, kind of just there as decoration. 703 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,440 This round's on me. 704 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:22,960 The way in which women can just be kind of present but unnecessary. 705 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,160 You be the man and you be the woman. 706 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,720 You had to cast those two girls, and they had to sit there, 707 00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:33,760 fake fucking all day. 708 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,520 And...it's kind of a bummer. 709 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,800 I think it really does damage to girls in particular, 710 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,280 that's what bothers me. 711 00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:45,920 Girls feeling that they have to behave a certain way 712 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,400 and look a certain way. 713 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,160 Without even consciously realising it, 714 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,240 they will just assume that they are less than... 715 00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,040 ..that they don't quite count as much. 716 00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:06,400 The more that we perpetuate and condone women as being merely 717 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,560 sex objects, the more readily boys grow into men thinking 718 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,200 that that's how women want to be treated. 719 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,080 It's in every movie and TV show they've ever watched. 720 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,280 Actors who are starting out are used in these films that ask for nudity 721 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:49,800 and sex scenes because 722 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,800 they don't know how to advocate for themselves or they don't have the 723 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,760 power to advocate for themselves. An A-list actor who's asked to do 724 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,920 a nude scene, they can have a body double. 725 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,960 They get to say, "The light has to be dim, and the actor can only 726 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,280 "touch me from here to here." 727 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:08,960 It's like I have never had that much protection in a film, 728 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,760 but I've done nudity a lot. 729 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,680 Like, I've done sex scenes a lot. 730 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,800 It's like, "Oh, you have to pay your dues 731 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,720 "and you just have to be grateful that you're here at all." 732 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,000 I'm not some great, fabulous beauty. 733 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,560 When I walk into a room, people don't turn around and go like, 734 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,960 "Who's that girl? Put her in the picture." 735 00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,560 I started taking classes at James Franco's acting school. 736 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,440 When James took a chance on me, I was so grateful. 737 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,680 The way that I got hired for The Long Home was by getting 738 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,440 a text message from James. 739 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,720 He said, "I want you to be in my movie. 740 00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:52,320 "Nudity will be required. 741 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,360 "You're playing a prostitute. Do you want to do it?" And I said... 742 00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,880 .."Absolutely. Like, no questions asked. Yes." 743 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,480 Hey, Candy, they want YOU. 744 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,320 And then things started to sort of get a little tricky 745 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,760 because there were some scenes that were added 746 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,680 that weren't in the script that required nudity. 747 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,920 And one actress didn't want to do it. 748 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,000 The next thing I know, she's on a plane back to LA, 749 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,400 and she's not in the movie. 750 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,120 And I realised if I do something like that, if I say, 751 00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:32,720 "I'm uncomfortable with this, 752 00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:34,800 "I don't want to do this," I'll lose my job. 753 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,840 Sarah Scott is an actress whose most recent work includes an appearance 754 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,800 on the Seth Macfarlane show The Orville, 755 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,320 and she played Courtney Love in the film Soaked In Bleach. 756 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,320 Thank you for having the courage to come in and talk to us. 757 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,080 This is an incident that happened in May of '18, 2018. 758 00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,280 Mm-hm, it's an independent TV pilot. 759 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,360 It was the last scene of the day. 760 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:09,320 I remember being really cold that night and made mention of it. 761 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,600 My scene partner cuddled up to me and said he would keep me warm. 762 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,200 Knowing that we were about to start kissing, 763 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,360 I just kind of went with that. That was fine. 764 00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,680 He cuddled up to me and... didn't think much of it. 765 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,520 At that point, he took my hand under the covers 766 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,280 and brought it over to his... 767 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:34,760 ..erection. 768 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,720 DEEP BREATHING 769 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,160 I pulled my hand back and looked... and looked back over my shoulder, 770 00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,120 like, "What the fuck?" And he just said sorry. 771 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,120 SARAH SCOTT SIGHS 772 00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,120 I've thought a lot about this. I'm not upset with myself 773 00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,960 that I didn't do something in the moment, 774 00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:02,920 I'm very well aware that that's very common. 775 00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:07,080 A lot of the women I've spoken to don't ever say anything. 776 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:12,440 And I think being in a professional setting, I also just wanted 777 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,360 to be a professional and keep going and finish the day off. 778 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,160 Cut. Terrific. 779 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:26,560 And so after the day had wrapped up and I was getting ready to leave 780 00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:32,760 for the night, my co-star walks through my dressing room and starts 781 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,560 telling me that he's got a hard on. 782 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,120 He's got to go jerk off in the bathroom. 783 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,440 When I turned around, he had taken out his penis and started 784 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,840 to masturbate in front of me, two feet in front of me, 785 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,480 and that's when I left. 786 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,800 So he did, however, in the LA Times give a statement saying 787 00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,880 that he was apologising, he said. 788 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,320 He admitted that he had put your hand on his penis during a sex scene 789 00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,000 but he said you were sexually aggressive. 790 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:04,920 It was really disturbing to see what a convincing case he made 791 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:10,080 in playing the sort of doe-eyed innocent, embarrassed, 792 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:14,360 "Oops, I misread the situation." And then even use the words 793 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,520 that, "I just mistook this for a perk of our jobs." 794 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:21,960 It just became so clear to me that I was dealing with someone 795 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,560 who was a predator. 796 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,400 I've been a proud union member for over 15 years. 797 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,920 That's how I have my health insurance and support my family. 798 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,200 So the way that I see myself is that I'm kind of a 799 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:40,720 blue-collar working actor. 800 00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,120 OK, ladies, I want to see you dance 801 00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,160 and I want to see you smile. 802 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:51,240 And you... 803 00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:54,240 I started to get this feeling like I was the first actress to ever 804 00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:55,760 call the union and say, 805 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,480 "Hey, I've been sexually violated at work." 806 00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,000 It's interesting because the SAG-AFTRA basic agreement is 807 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:07,600 800 pages or something like that, and nudity is, like, a page. 808 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:11,480 If that. It's like... Wow. It's like I literally have it right 809 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,480 here on... It's half a page. It's this. Wow. 810 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,680 Sexual harassment is not mentioned in 800 pages. 811 00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,480 Really? Yeah. Interesting. 812 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,880 The situations, like, that I've been in, 813 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,080 I think that the gentleman, you know, whatever happened, 814 00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,640 it wouldn't have happened had I been more famous 815 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,480 or more powerful than he. 816 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:36,080 I was told by someone in the legal department verbatim that, quote, 817 00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,120 "I probably wouldn't be satisfied 818 00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,040 "with the results of the hearing." 819 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,120 And I interpreted that as... 820 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,240 ..basically nothing is going to happen. 821 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,680 When the LA Times article came out, 822 00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,240 a lot of actresses reached out to me... 823 00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,080 ..just telling me, you know, 824 00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,400 how proud they were and how... 825 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,720 ..how many actresses had similar experiences but never said anything. 826 00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,280 And that made my stomach turn. 827 00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:15,520 Just the realisation that this is such a widespread problem 828 00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:16,800 in this industry. 829 00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,360 What does it mean for boys and girls to grow up in a culture 830 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,080 where they see men being aggressive in film to get the girl? 831 00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,960 They pull women into these passionate kisses. 832 00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:43,520 Stop it! 833 00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,080 Maybe she resists a little bit, like right at first, 834 00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:47,920 but he can kiss her into submission. 835 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,800 Wait a minute! Wait a minute! 836 00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,560 Now that's a really common scene. 837 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:14,960 Hollywood certainly knows how to do violence very, very well. 838 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,840 Much better than it knows how to do sex. 839 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,680 When sex and violence come together, it's rape. 840 00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,040 No, no. 841 00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,960 There's so many rape scenes in movies because a lot of times, 842 00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:31,920 you know, scripts are written and they imagine 843 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,880 that this is the only way a female character can get strong 844 00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,920 is if she's raped - for no apparent reason, other than they think 845 00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,240 something bad needs to happen to her so she can rise up 846 00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:43,600 and go murder all the people in revenge. 847 00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,280 MUFFLED CRIES 848 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,480 What kind of message does that send out? 849 00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,640 My name is Buck, and I'm here to fuck. 850 00:53:54,360 --> 00:54:00,080 Your name is Buck and you came here to fuck, right? 851 00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,680 Wait a minute... 852 00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,680 HE SCREAMS 853 00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,920 There's some hatred for women going on 854 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:06,960 when you have to brutalise people, 855 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,440 you know, and treat them as subhuman, but then get the glory 856 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,480 that you create strong female characters. 857 00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,160 That's not strong women. 858 00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,080 Those are brutalised women that have to survive... 859 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,720 ..and look good while doing so. 860 00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:30,720 In the age of the internet, actors have to make this decision 861 00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:37,080 of if I'm nude, it's going to get giffed and played on a loop, 862 00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,680 and you can't regulate that any more. 863 00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:47,680 The nudity will get repurposed to do all sorts of things. 864 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,280 They'll put other people's faces on. 865 00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,440 It's kind of not what they signed up for. 866 00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,320 You have to literally go and fight them on every single website 867 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:05,000 these things appear on, and even if you win, the next day it shows 868 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:06,680 up on a different website. 869 00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,760 The producer basically responded by saying, "This is just what happens. 870 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,800 "This is part of being an actor." 871 00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,600 When Jennifer's Body was coming out, we were at a new point 872 00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:26,120 where we were seeing how social media can be used as a tool to shape 873 00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,760 perception. In the film, 874 00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:34,680 I wanted to comment on the tropes around how we look at girls' 875 00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,040 and women's bodies, 876 00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:40,480 looking back at late '70s, early '80s horror slasher films. 877 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,560 But what that requires is using the tropes. 878 00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:53,040 There was a decision on the part of the studio, I think, to market 879 00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:58,920 the film to young boys as opposed to young women, as if to promise 880 00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,440 something with Megan Fox that they were never going to get. 881 00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,600 I was shocked by the reaction and the way social media 882 00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,000 kind of worked so quickly against the film. 883 00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:33,000 There was so much adolescent angst about some lack of male relevance. 884 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,320 And I think since then we've seen how much warfare is waged 885 00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:44,160 against women by using their bodies against them. 886 00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,200 Now... 887 00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,800 ..pull your dress up and let me see your legs. 888 00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,440 The Hollywood machine is something to be survived. 889 00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,160 Turn around a second. 890 00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,000 Is something wrong? 891 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,200 As a matter of fact, everything is... 892 00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,240 ..very, very right. 893 00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:14,000 It's very common to go to hotel rooms and to be asked to audition. 894 00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,920 That was kind of a thing back when I started. 895 00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,760 He's ready for you. Thank you. 896 00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:27,560 I was raised to believe that you never wanted to make 897 00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,040 a man uncomfortable. 898 00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,720 You didn't want to make him feel like he had done something wrong. 899 00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:35,880 He grabbed me. 900 00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:39,680 Tried to kiss me. 901 00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,440 So if he advances on you, you know, your thing is to 902 00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,400 kind of giggle and ease yourself out of there. 903 00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:53,760 After I got blacklisted, I started being harassed behind the scenes 904 00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:55,440 by my monster. 905 00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:57,960 He... He has... 906 00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:00,640 ..detectives on staff. 907 00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,800 Harvey Weinstein is not the only one. 908 00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:15,800 We have situations now where it's taken a while for a client 909 00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,640 to be willing to come out against somebody. 910 00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,280 And, you know, the studio makes excuses. 911 00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,640 I could file a complaint for you if that's what you want. 912 00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:30,440 But I think you know how it would come off. 913 00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,680 You see all the people that protect Harvey, this predator, and the many, 914 00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:38,520 many predators there are in this town that are very big guys 915 00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:39,680 in the business. 916 00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:44,800 There are so many other men. They're not Harvey Weinsteins 917 00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,040 but I don't want to wait until these people are all Harvey Weinstein. 918 00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,440 I want them to stop doing it now. 919 00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,520 Doralee, please. I want you... 920 00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,080 Men feel entitled... 921 00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,600 ..by a lot of stuff that's rolling around in their heads 922 00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:05,680 that has sexualised women and embraced them as sexual commodities 923 00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,960 to the extent that they feel comfortable doing that. 924 00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,200 If you're wearing something, please get naked. 925 00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,040 I believe in only two things. The First Amendment and boobs. 926 00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:15,640 She needs to drop a few. 927 00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,760 What do you think about this? Gretchen's beautiful. Beautiful. 928 00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,240 I love the women's movement, especially when walking behind it. 929 00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,640 Now when you're sold as a sex symbol, it's like the message 930 00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,440 that men out there in the world get is that they can all touch you 931 00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,400 and that they own you. 932 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:29,800 It makes her a slut, right? 933 00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:34,480 He began running his hands over my body and grinding into me. 934 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,040 Because you've turned them on. 935 00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:39,000 Nice ass. You've made them do it. 936 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,120 You can do anything. Whatever you want. Grab them by the pussy. 937 00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:49,480 It really didn't feel that there was a system in place for this 938 00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:50,760 kind of a complaint. 939 00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,760 How sure can this committee be on the accuracy 940 00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,120 of your statements? 941 00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,680 What you want to do is destroy this guy's life. 942 00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,600 Are you interested in writing a book? 943 01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:04,880 Nobody has made amends. 944 01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:06,000 Shame. 945 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:07,480 Nobody has apologised. 946 01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:11,120 Nobody has taken ownership of having done this to us. 947 01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,200 I categorically and unequivocally deny 948 01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:18,600 the allegation against me by Dr Ford. I have not been guilty 949 01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,080 of sexual misconduct. 950 01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:22,960 The allegation is completely false. 951 01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,160 These allegations are false. It's just not true. Not true. 952 01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:31,400 You can't just be on our shoulders and we can't continue to be gaslit 953 01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:32,800 by these people. 954 01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:36,520 We're made to feel like we're crazy if we're being uncomfortable. 955 01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:41,480 OVERLAPPING VOICES 956 01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:43,480 Are you a scorned woman? 957 01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:51,360 Are you guys ready to move into a little bit of rehearsal? 958 01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,200 You're going to be taking off her shirt. OK. 959 01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,480 And from what I understand, it's a pretty wide neck, 960 01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,920 so you shouldn't have any issue just coming up and pulling 961 01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,520 it over Jennifer's head. Yeah? 962 01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,120 And then as we discussed, you will take your bra off. 963 01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:08,080 You know, you can position yourself on the edge of the bed here, right? 964 01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,560 Maybe you could place Dan's hand somewhere on your upper inner thigh, 965 01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,280 on the left leg. Maybe right here would be fine. 966 01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,440 And then here? Yeah. 967 01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:19,960 You can move your head a little bit. 968 01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:24,040 And you can cheat it so that your head is not so turned. 969 01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:25,240 Yeah. 970 01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,760 And then... I'll be like this. Great. 971 01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:31,640 Love to see, touching his head, tugging on his hair a little. OK. 972 01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,400 How does that feel for both of you? I'm fine. 973 01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:36,960 OK. OK. 974 01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:38,200 Great. 975 01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:49,560 On season one, we had a moment where there were some criticisms 976 01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,400 of our lead actor, James Franco, 977 01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,880 for stuff that had happened not on our set, 978 01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,520 but had happened on indie films that he had worked on. 979 01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:58,760 So what are you doing tonight? 980 01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,400 But nonetheless, I felt the need to ask 981 01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:02,840 all the principal cast members, 982 01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:04,800 did you have any problems on our set? 983 01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:08,000 Emily Meade rather bravely said things didn't go right on set. 984 01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:09,520 One day I'll tell you about it. 985 01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:16,080 I was playing a prostitute turned porn star. 986 01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:20,840 I was 26... 987 01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,960 ..and I was starting to realise how much I was having to constantly 988 01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,600 dissociate, to, like, show up to my job. 989 01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,840 There were circumstances where I wound up having to do 990 01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,400 a very intimate sex scene with a completely 991 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,160 random background actor. 992 01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:46,240 I was not willing to be on the show with things the way 993 01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:50,080 they were, wanting to protect the women involved in this show. 994 01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,800 Emily basically said, "We can do this better," 995 01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:54,320 and then it was our job to listen. 996 01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,720 The best thing I could come up with was that there should be 997 01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:57,960 a person who was there, 998 01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:01,040 who their sole job is to facilitate, 999 01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:05,720 protect, and just be there for sex scenes, like a stunt coordinator. 1000 01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:07,800 GUNSHOTS 1001 01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,760 HE GRUNTS IN PAIN 1002 01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,560 We have entire departments of people who are there to make sure 1003 01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:14,560 nobody gets hurt when we're simulating violence. 1004 01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,440 But we hadn't, at this point, hired somebody whose sole area 1005 01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:23,680 of expertise was, let's make sure nobody gets emotionally hurt 1006 01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,920 or physically hurt, or, you know, when we're simulating intimacy. 1007 01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:33,800 I'm there to make sure the actors are safe, but also to check 1008 01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:37,080 in and make sure what is happening on set is consensual 1009 01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,240 and what is happening is what was agreed to. 1010 01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,040 I don't want to disappoint anybody. 1011 01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:45,760 That was probably always the hardest part for me, 1012 01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:48,960 having to, like, look someone in the eyes, a man specifically, 1013 01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,240 and disappoint them about what I'm willing to do, sexually. 1014 01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,520 She could go tell the director, like, 1015 01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:57,600 "Emily's feeling "a little strange about this," 1016 01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,160 warn the director of that so they can roll their eyes, 1017 01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,120 or have whatever private reaction they want to, 1018 01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:05,280 and I don't have to see it and feel insecure or embarrassed. 1019 01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,480 Let's go, sweetheart. 1020 01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,480 And we're good? 1021 01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,360 It was just the process of having that conversation, 1022 01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,280 and feeling like I had a choice, and, like, I wasn't in a corner. 1023 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,040 All right. First step is Lori and Andy. 1024 01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,000 The Deuce wound up being the first network television show 1025 01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:22,800 to have an intimacy coordinator, 1026 01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,080 and then HBO wound up being the first network to have 1027 01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:27,560 network-wide intimacy coordinators used. 1028 01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:32,320 There are certain things that might have been acceptable 1029 01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,000 five years ago, ten years ago, 20 years ago 1030 01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,400 that are not acceptable now. 1031 01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,560 And I think it took Time's Up, 1032 01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:42,400 it took #MeToo, it took... 1033 01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:46,680 ..this entire shift for people to look at scenes like this 1034 01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:48,080 and say, "We can do better." 1035 01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:51,720 You're going to listen, Laurie, 1036 01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,080 whether you like it or not. 1037 01:04:56,360 --> 01:05:00,880 There's clearly a deeply entrenched terror 1038 01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,280 of male privilege and power being taken away. 1039 01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,880 I'm not going to be stopped by three dumb-witted broads. 1040 01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:13,040 I wanted to show that you could cut off the head of power 1041 01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:14,600 instead of biting at ankles, 1042 01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:18,280 that if everybody is always kind of complaining about the same thing... 1043 01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:21,120 ..maybe we can do something about it. 1044 01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,720 I do feel optimistic... 1045 01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,160 ..but Hollywood is definitely sexist, 1046 01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:40,120 definitely racist place. 1047 01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:45,080 And it's going to take a lot to dismantle... 1048 01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:48,200 ..those systems. 1049 01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:51,400 The #MeToo movement ushered in a greater level 1050 01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,320 of the magnifying glass. 1051 01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:59,120 That long-held patriarchal power in Hollywood was rendered 1052 01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:03,080 vulnerable, really, for the very first time in a very real way. 1053 01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,880 Harvey Weinstein surrendering to police. 1054 01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:09,360 Leslie Moonves' career at CBS came to an end in September. 1055 01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:12,920 ..has been suspended in the wake of sexual harassment accusations. 1056 01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:16,760 James Franco snubbed by the Oscars in a week of allegations... 1057 01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:20,080 ..found actor Kip Pardue guilty of serious misconduct. 1058 01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:25,560 I think that many films... 1059 01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:28,240 ..have women in peril. 1060 01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:33,280 Some Prince Charming has to come and save us. 1061 01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,600 And we come to believe that we 1062 01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:39,880 innately don't have the power to save ourselves. 1063 01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:40,920 But we do. 1064 01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:45,600 Women are finally finding a voice. 1065 01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,080 Before doing Vida, 1066 01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,960 I hadn't experienced too much in the roles of getting to play 1067 01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,360 an American like me, a Latina like me. 1068 01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:18,080 It is by design that we are seeing a woman pursue her sexuality 1069 01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:20,960 and pleasure in a very unapologetic fashion. 1070 01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,680 We haven't got a chance to us, like, create complicated 1071 01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:29,960 images of ourselves, and these girls I created were shitty, messy. 1072 01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:31,840 They made really bad decisions. 1073 01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:38,160 Dominant culture gets to tell all that, all the time. 1074 01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:40,480 When do we get to say it? 1075 01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:47,240 The sex scenes started in the writers' room. 1076 01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:51,200 These girls, they knew exactly how to get off, what they wanted. 1077 01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:59,360 It progressed the story, it wasn't as gratuitous. 1078 01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,640 Tanya brought me into the editing room just to make sure 1079 01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,880 I was completely comfortable with the way that certain things 1080 01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:10,720 were being shot. 1081 01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:13,640 You know, is this...is this all right? 1082 01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:17,160 It's nice to have somebody checking in on you, even after the fact. 1083 01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:26,520 The Sex Lives Of College Girls is about 1084 01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:29,040 freshmen, college suite mates, 1085 01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:31,080 who are navigating their sexuality. 1086 01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:34,400 So how does this work? 1087 01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:37,280 Do we just take our clothes off and go inside? 1088 01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:39,280 Fuck it. I'm going in. 1089 01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:40,600 I have a disability. 1090 01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,680 My character clearly will also have a disability. 1091 01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:47,040 But who my character is, is not predicated on the fact 1092 01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:48,480 that I'm a disabled woman. 1093 01:08:48,480 --> 01:08:49,800 Honey, I pull. 1094 01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:52,000 Hey. 1095 01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,000 It's still about my sexuality. 1096 01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,920 Do any of you know where a girl named Sarah is? 1097 01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,000 No. Sorry. I don't. 1098 01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:04,080 It's the most refreshing thing to have a character, 1099 01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:06,160 especially a wheelchair user, 1100 01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:08,960 be sexy, be sex positive, be sexual, 1101 01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:12,080 to be seen as desired and loved, 1102 01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:13,920 because we deserve it too. 1103 01:09:17,480 --> 01:09:20,640 There was a time in my life when I felt...free. 1104 01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:29,680 Oh, Jesus. 1105 01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:32,600 I always knew that it would be noisy 1106 01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:37,080 to make a show about female desire and sexuality, 1107 01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:40,800 about a woman who wants sex, 1108 01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:42,240 who admits she's had sex, 1109 01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,040 that she wants to have more of it, 1110 01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:49,960 and not punishing her for her desire is in itself a revolutionary act. 1111 01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:54,120 When you make that woman a mother, it is just charging straight 1112 01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:58,000 into these opinions in society 1113 01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,720 that martyrdom is the ideal for mothers. 1114 01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:02,880 Morning, mummy. 1115 01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,680 I also felt like we cannot tell this whole story, 1116 01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,880 and just not even have one shot of a penis. 1117 01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:16,040 We put it in the cut, 1118 01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:19,760 and the Netflix executives were very nervous about it 1119 01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,040 and asked us to consider taking it out. 1120 01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:26,560 They were concerned that it would be off-putting to women. 1121 01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,240 Not heterosexual women! 1122 01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:32,240 I think everything I've been doing 1123 01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:34,680 has been an attempt to investigate the male gaze. 1124 01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:38,960 All these ways in which the camera has kind of stood in for an assumed 1125 01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:43,040 masculine protagonist, and to kind of reset it, saying, you know, 1126 01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:46,560 "I'm the subject, you're the object." 1127 01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:51,000 Consent doesn't have to be this kind of, like, mushy thing that's, 1128 01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,600 like, shrouded in questions about shame and gender. 1129 01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,360 When I'm filming, I'm always wanting to, like, put the camera 1130 01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:04,760 into the place of the character's desire. 1131 01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:08,600 So it's like, instead of taking the camera up here or out here, 1132 01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:11,200 I'm always, like, literally imagining the camera moving down 1133 01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:12,560 into, like, the gut. 1134 01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:18,200 Really, really opened up in me. 1135 01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:21,960 My sensitivity as a human being translated into what I could 1136 01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:23,440 bring to the camera. 1137 01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:31,240 The camera's approach is honouring the space for the actors. 1138 01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:35,120 Joey would say that I had a mussy, 1139 01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,680 and say, "Jimmy, shoot from your mussy." 1140 01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:40,320 Because I don't think that a man only has a male gaze 1141 01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:42,240 or a woman would only have a female gaze. 1142 01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:48,960 I wanted to be naked because, first of all, that had never been done. 1143 01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:53,880 And the second reason was that I wanted to show this relationship, 1144 01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:58,000 and these two human beings are just like, they have conversations 1145 01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,160 after people take showers and they're naked. 1146 01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:05,400 We can't afford any more bills. 1147 01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,400 I can't believe I have to say this. 1148 01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,680 Trans people actually have sex. 1149 01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:14,120 We have sex with other people! 1150 01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:16,920 Isn't that weird? I know, it's strange, but it's true. 1151 01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:21,560 Everybody is doing this thing called love. 1152 01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:31,000 I'm really interested in pursuing the notion of female desire. 1153 01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:43,280 Be it ambition or sex or romance. 1154 01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:46,320 The idea that there is a subjectivity, 1155 01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:49,040 and often a voraciousness 1156 01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:51,640 that comes from a female perspective. 1157 01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:02,760 In terms of making films, 1158 01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,560 the most important thing is women have been doing this forever. 1159 01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,040 You know, that we're not the first. 1160 01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:18,000 Women were putting the camera in a place of empathy. 1161 01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:24,360 Yearning, longing, wanting. 1162 01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:33,080 There is a rediscovery of lost black films that celebrate 1163 01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:34,640 romance and intimacy. 1164 01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:38,440 These films have always existed. 1165 01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:52,640 It's changing. 1166 01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:54,080 You can feel it. You can feel it 1167 01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:55,200 in the writers' rooms. 1168 01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:57,520 You can feel it talking to producers. 1169 01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:59,480 When I'm on the set of Grace And Frankie, 1170 01:13:59,480 --> 01:14:01,440 half the people there are women. 1171 01:14:01,440 --> 01:14:05,840 Trust me, when I started out in '58, '59, there wasn't a woman, 1172 01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:08,720 except maybe the script supervisor, on the set. 1173 01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:12,000 We're making vibrators for women with arthritis. 1174 01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:13,720 Yes, vibrators! 1175 01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:17,440 We're making things for people like us, because we are sick and tired 1176 01:14:17,440 --> 01:14:20,760 of being dismissed by people like you. Mic drop. 1177 01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:23,040 OK, come on in. 1178 01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:28,600 I'm hoping that there will be a more seismic shift 1179 01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:30,400 happening more rapidly now. 1180 01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:31,600 Hey. 1181 01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:33,400 Yeah, sure. 1182 01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:35,040 I think we need more... 1183 01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:37,320 You'll see more women greenlight a series... 1184 01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:42,080 ..to greenlight a movie, 1185 01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:47,720 and when you see that, you'll see more movies that empower women. 1186 01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:58,840 OK. And...cut. 1187 01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:03,000 Actresses, for the first time since I would say the '30s, 1188 01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:04,760 have power. 1189 01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:10,440 Men want to be looking at women in the way 1190 01:15:10,440 --> 01:15:13,880 that you look at a protagonist in a movie, which is as yourself. 1191 01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:18,360 And for some reason, I think men weren't making 1192 01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:20,360 that kind of transference. 1193 01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:22,440 Now it's happening. 1194 01:15:22,440 --> 01:15:26,840 The beauty of film and television and media 1195 01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:31,000 is that we have the ability to reach people's living rooms. 1196 01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:34,320 And when you see somebody that maybe doesn't look like you, 1197 01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:38,840 but emotionally you see yourself reflected in that way, 1198 01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:43,360 all of a sudden that person becomes more familiar to you. 1199 01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:49,280 We have consumed for a very long time 1200 01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:53,320 ourselves outside of our own lens, 1201 01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:56,120 that we are still figuring out 1202 01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:57,720 what that means. 1203 01:15:59,440 --> 01:16:02,960 I think Hollywood is no longer just a place of entertainment. 1204 01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:05,640 I think that the power that Hollywood holds 1205 01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:10,120 is so great that it should put its power to good use, 1206 01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:12,240 which is representation. 1207 01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:19,800 Hey, check this one out. 1208 01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,520 I think nudity and sex 1209 01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:25,720 is a really beautiful way to show things without telling them 1210 01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:27,920 and is a vital part of storytelling. 1211 01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,160 And I actually feel better doing it 1212 01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:33,240 with an intimacy coordinator now. 1213 01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,240 They have done something and been involved in something 1214 01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:40,680 that is important and I hope permanent in this industry. 1215 01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:43,520 And that's... Yeah, it's pretty surreal. 1216 01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:45,040 It's really... 1217 01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:47,040 It feels very good. 1218 01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:56,520 # I'm feeling myself I'm feeling myself 1219 01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:59,240 # I'm not gonna lie I'm not that thing on the shelf 1220 01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:02,240 # I'm feeling myself I'm feeling myself 1221 01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:05,520 # Cos I'm doing it better than anyone else... # 1222 01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:13,680 We're just getting started. 1223 01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:15,640 All right, fellas. 1224 01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:19,080 Getting the cameras into the hands of the people who want them 1225 01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:20,560 and deserve them. 1226 01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:23,000 Fuck, yeah, Mom. 1227 01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:26,960 Women don't stay silent for ever. 1228 01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:30,120 Some women will see some of these amazing pieces of work 1229 01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:34,600 by women and start to kind of centre themselves in their lives, you know? 1230 01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,320 But it's not filmmaking's job to do it. 1231 01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:39,600 It's the world's job to centre female pleasure. 1232 01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,080 It's the world's job to understand consent. 1233 01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:45,880 You know, it's not female film-makers' job to teach it. 1234 01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:48,720 We got enough to do. 1235 01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:51,000 # I'm feeling myself I'm feeling myself 1236 01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:54,040 # I'm not gonna lie I'm not that thing on the shelf 1237 01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:56,720 # I'm feeling myself I'm feeling myself 1238 01:17:56,720 --> 01:18:00,680 # Cos I'm doing it better than anyone else 1239 01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,320 # I'm feeling myself I'm feeling myself 1240 01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:05,640 # I'm not gonna lie I'm not that thing on the shelf 1241 01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:09,720 # I'm feeling myself I'm feeling myself 1242 01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:12,120 # Cos I'm doing it better than anyone else 1243 01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:15,640 # Feeling myself 1244 01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,240 # I'm-I'm feeling myself... # 160716

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