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"Reported dead." 7 00:01:16,902 --> 00:01:19,647 Unless it could provide entertainment value to... 8 00:01:19,772 --> 00:01:22,683 I mean, in a perverse or subversive way, you know. 9 00:01:22,808 --> 00:01:25,653 I mean, if you could throw me into a wood chipper and punt... 10 00:01:25,778 --> 00:01:29,623 you know, spray me into Harrods, you know, at, uh, 11 00:01:29,748 --> 00:01:33,828 you know, middle of the rush hour, that would be pretty epic. 12 00:01:33,953 --> 00:01:38,391 I wouldn't mind being remembered in that way. ? One, two, three, four, five, six ? 13 00:01:39,758 --> 00:01:45,165 ? Roadrunner, roadrunner ? ? Going faster miles an hour ? 14 00:01:46,299 --> 00:01:51,645 ? Gonna drive past the Stop & Shop ? ? With the radio on ? 15 00:01:51,770 --> 00:01:58,320 ? I'm in love with Massachusetts ? ? And the neon when it's cold outside ? 16 00:01:58,445 --> 00:02:03,691 ? And the highway when it's late at night ? ? Got the radio on ? 17 00:02:03,816 --> 00:02:09,931 ? I'm like the roadrunner... ? What the fuck am I doing here? �I shall explain. 18 00:02:10,056 --> 00:02:13,935 One minute I was standing next to a deep fryer, 19 00:02:14,060 --> 00:02:18,106 and the next, I was watching the sun set over the Sahara. 20 00:02:18,231 --> 00:02:20,208 ? I'm in love with modern moonlight... ? 21 00:02:20,333 --> 00:02:24,079 I realized that one thing led directly to the other. 22 00:02:24,204 --> 00:02:29,351 Had I not taken a dead-end dishwashing job, I would not have become a cook. 23 00:02:29,476 --> 00:02:34,022 Had I not become a cook, I would never have become a chef. 24 00:02:34,147 --> 00:02:38,782 Had I not become a chef, I never would've been able to fuck up so spectacularly. 25 00:02:40,053 --> 00:02:43,697 Had I not known what it was like to really fuck up, 26 00:02:43,822 --> 00:02:46,867 that obnoxious but wildly successful memoir I wrote 27 00:02:46,992 --> 00:02:49,237 wouldn't have been half as interesting. 28 00:02:49,362 --> 00:02:54,642 ? And I say roadrunner once, roadrunner twice ? ? I'm in love with rock and roll ? 29 00:02:54,767 --> 00:02:57,312 ? And I'll be out all night ? ? Roadrunner, that's right... ? 30 00:02:57,437 --> 00:03:01,849 And I'm not gonna tell you here how to live your life. 31 00:03:01,974 --> 00:03:06,654 I'm just saying, I guess, that I got very lucky. ? Radio on ? 32 00:03:06,779 --> 00:03:11,692 ? I got the AM ? - ? Radio on ? ? Got the car, got the AM ? ? Radio on ? 33 00:03:11,817 --> 00:03:15,030 ? Got the AM sound ? ? Got the ? - ? Radio on ? 34 00:03:15,155 --> 00:03:18,833 ? Got the rockin' modern neon sound ? ? Radio on ? 35 00:03:18,958 --> 00:03:21,735 ? I got the car from Massachusetts ? ? Got the ? - ? Radio on ? 36 00:03:21,860 --> 00:03:27,008 ? I got the power of Massachusetts ? ? When it's late at night ? ? Right ? 37 00:03:27,133 --> 00:03:29,133 ? Bye-bye. ? 38 00:03:32,272 --> 00:03:34,116 You're probably gonna find out about it anyway, 39 00:03:34,241 --> 00:03:38,886 so here's a little preemptive truth telling. �There's no happy ending. 40 00:03:39,011 --> 00:03:42,690 He committed suicide, the fucking asshole. �How are you gonna make this? 41 00:03:42,815 --> 00:03:45,994 Is it... is this gonna... I mean... �Of course what you want to talk about, 42 00:03:46,119 --> 00:03:47,761 that's kind of where the gossip goes, that's kind of... 43 00:03:47,886 --> 00:03:51,799 But it's not really what you want to make. �No, I want to make a film about 44 00:03:51,924 --> 00:03:56,404 why he was... who he was. �You know. 45 00:03:56,529 --> 00:04:03,234 I don't know. That's why I'm here. �Do you know what I mean? �That's why I'm here. 46 00:04:07,173 --> 00:04:11,953 Hi. This is Tony at Les Halles, 411 Park Avenue South, for delivery Monday please. 47 00:04:12,078 --> 00:04:16,992 I need one Spanish onion, one loose carrot, two shallot unpeeled, 48 00:04:17,117 --> 00:04:21,762 one case frozen fava bean and one case miel de provence. 49 00:04:21,887 --> 00:04:23,887 That'll do it. Thank you. 50 00:04:28,595 --> 00:04:33,341 Where is my fucking fish? �I would never be late. 51 00:04:33,466 --> 00:04:38,446 My cooks would never be late. �How can the fish guy be late? 52 00:04:38,571 --> 00:04:42,083 It's why all chefs are drunks. �It's because we don't understand 53 00:04:42,208 --> 00:04:45,045 why the world doesn't work like our kitchens. 54 00:04:53,653 --> 00:04:56,998 Oh, hold on. -If you guys are hun... �It's just baba ghanoush. It's... 55 00:04:57,123 --> 00:05:00,868 I mean, it's not a very nice display, I know Tony. -Cool. �Thanks, baby. 56 00:05:00,993 --> 00:05:05,373 What would you like? -Um... �Apple juice. -Apple juice? Apple juice? 57 00:05:05,498 --> 00:05:08,867 Or cranberry. I don't care. Whatever we have more of. 58 00:05:11,338 --> 00:05:13,406 Happiness is a fresh pack. 59 00:05:15,375 --> 00:05:18,520 First thing in the morning. �I mean, before I brush my teeth. 60 00:05:18,645 --> 00:05:20,255 I mean, I roll out of bed, light a cigarette, 61 00:05:20,380 --> 00:05:24,915 stumble into this room, and, uh, I start, uh, I start writing immediately. 62 00:05:27,153 --> 00:05:30,223 I always use language to get out of trouble. 63 00:05:31,124 --> 00:05:35,237 You know, I found at an early age, if I made everybody in the class laugh, 64 00:05:35,362 --> 00:05:40,275 that was power. I came from a household with a lot of books. 65 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:44,012 In fact, the first book I remember reading was a book called Why Johnny Can't Read, 66 00:05:44,137 --> 00:05:48,183 which I stole from my mother. �She was anticipating that I would have 67 00:05:48,308 --> 00:05:52,120 a difficulty reading because I was already exhibiting antisocial tendencies. 68 00:05:52,245 --> 00:05:55,290 Uh, I pinched the book and, uh, basically taught myself 69 00:05:55,415 --> 00:06:00,462 to read, uh, by kindergarten. And then, you know, my early heroes 70 00:06:00,587 --> 00:06:04,124 were, uh, musicians and-and writers. 71 00:06:05,225 --> 00:06:07,835 The idea that you could have adventures, 72 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,372 no matter how antisocial, and then make them 73 00:06:10,497 --> 00:06:12,607 somehow legitimate by writing something beautiful about them, 74 00:06:12,732 --> 00:06:15,301 that concept took an early hold on me. 75 00:06:17,370 --> 00:06:22,150 I wasn't serious enough about anything to actually do any writing until '93. 76 00:06:22,275 --> 00:06:24,586 But, you know, when I was given the opportunity, I did it, 77 00:06:24,711 --> 00:06:26,979 and, you know, kept doing it. 78 00:06:27,747 --> 00:06:31,217 The whole business fills me with terror, frankly. 79 00:06:46,666 --> 00:06:48,666 Hey. 80 00:06:50,503 --> 00:06:55,350 How are you doing, man? �You guys know each other by now. -Yes. 81 00:06:55,475 --> 00:06:57,544 Let me see if Rocco's over. 82 00:06:59,345 --> 00:07:01,614 What was it about Tony with big knives? 83 00:07:03,015 --> 00:07:06,628 They were never sharp enough. �You know, he's... he'd just always... 84 00:07:06,753 --> 00:07:08,496 When he came over for Thanksgiving, uh, 85 00:07:08,621 --> 00:07:10,498 I was gonna carve the turkey, and then he took over. 86 00:07:10,623 --> 00:07:15,670 He was very short with me about how I wasn't taking care of my knives. 87 00:07:15,795 --> 00:07:20,631 Hey. -Tony saw you when you were just born. �Remember that? 88 00:07:21,301 --> 00:07:25,380 My relationship with Tony has always been as a writer. 89 00:07:25,505 --> 00:07:28,575 He was such a powerful writer right from the start. 90 00:07:30,210 --> 00:07:33,655 He was on business in Tokyo for the first time. 91 00:07:33,780 --> 00:07:40,628 And he was writing me a series of emails. �He was back in his room, and he-he did 92 00:07:40,753 --> 00:07:42,753 one of those bursts. 93 00:07:44,057 --> 00:07:47,402 "The jet lag wouldn't let me sleep, "so I crashed late and rose early, 94 00:07:47,527 --> 00:07:50,405 "plunging blindly down dark streets at all hours. 95 00:07:50,530 --> 00:07:53,608 "The streets were unbelievably dense with pedestrians, 96 00:07:53,733 --> 00:07:57,645 "people hanging around, flashing neon, "flapping banners, more screaming signs, 97 00:07:57,770 --> 00:08:01,015 "pimpy-looking young men in suits and patent leather shoes 98 00:08:01,140 --> 00:08:06,020 "surrounded by dye-blonde Asian women "in thigh-high boots and micro-mini skirts. 99 00:08:06,145 --> 00:08:11,259 "No one, and I mean no one, would meet my eye "with a direct gaze. 100 00:08:11,384 --> 00:08:13,695 "I was the quiet American, the ugly American, 101 00:08:13,820 --> 00:08:18,424 "the hungry ghost, searching and searching for whatever came next." 102 00:08:20,693 --> 00:08:26,741 I loved it. I loved it, and my wife Karen, who was a book publisher, 103 00:08:26,866 --> 00:08:32,313 was in the living room breastfeeding the baby. �I printed out the email 104 00:08:32,438 --> 00:08:37,218 and I went, "Karen, you have to read this." �Am I allowed to curse? 105 00:08:37,343 --> 00:08:40,388 Does anybody curse when they talk about this? 106 00:08:40,513 --> 00:08:45,693 I read it and I just went, "That is fucking awesome." �I was like, "Okay, 107 00:08:45,818 --> 00:08:51,157 I'm gonna make him an offer basically he can't fucking refuse." 108 00:08:51,791 --> 00:08:55,270 He came back and then we sat down. �I said, "So Joel tells me, 109 00:08:55,395 --> 00:08:58,206 you know, you have a lot of stories." �And he goes, "I have so many stories. 110 00:08:58,331 --> 00:09:01,042 I'm so excited to tell them." �He said, "I already have a title for it." 111 00:09:01,167 --> 00:09:03,645 I said, "What's the title?" �And he said, "Kitchen Confidential." 112 00:09:03,770 --> 00:09:05,280 And I said, "I love it. Let's do it." 113 00:09:05,405 --> 00:09:07,415 What do you think about Tony Bourdain anyway? 114 00:09:07,540 --> 00:09:11,475 Yeah, what do you think about that guy? �He's cool. Huh? 115 00:09:16,282 --> 00:09:21,095 It was like, "Will you write this book?" "Yes." "Can you write it in eight months?" 116 00:09:21,220 --> 00:09:25,400 "You're damn right I will." You know, you should talk to Tony's agent, 117 00:09:25,525 --> 00:09:29,604 Kim Witherspoon. �I don't think Tony was afraid of failure, 118 00:09:29,729 --> 00:09:33,208 and that was hard-wired. �He was the kind of person who thought, 119 00:09:33,333 --> 00:09:36,611 "Well, you know, what the fuck? �Let's just try it and see how it turns out." 120 00:09:36,736 --> 00:09:38,713 Anthony Bourdain, who has worked as a chef 121 00:09:38,838 --> 00:09:41,649 for 28 years, reveals some surprising and disturbing 122 00:09:41,774 --> 00:09:46,521 trade secrets in a new book called Kitchen Confidential. Chef Anthony says the truth 123 00:09:46,646 --> 00:09:48,122 about bread in a restaurant, 124 00:09:48,247 --> 00:09:51,526 how you should prepare your meat when you order it, and also the truth about fish 125 00:09:51,651 --> 00:09:55,597 could make you sick. �I was in a cranky mood after my last restaurant closed 126 00:09:55,722 --> 00:09:59,200 and, uh, felt no reason not to tell the truth about 127 00:09:59,325 --> 00:10:02,629 a business I both love and, uh, have mixed emotions about. 128 00:10:03,529 --> 00:10:06,274 Kitchen Confidential is a memoir 129 00:10:06,399 --> 00:10:09,677 of Tony's life in the kitchen and the salty adventures 130 00:10:09,802 --> 00:10:13,615 that he had with his cooks. �It was kind of lawless. 131 00:10:13,740 --> 00:10:16,551 You know, a lot was broken, as Tony used to say. 132 00:10:16,676 --> 00:10:21,422 Mr. Bourdain is the executive chef at Les Halles. �He found success 133 00:10:21,547 --> 00:10:24,726 and a full-blown heroin habit at an early age. 134 00:10:24,851 --> 00:10:28,296 I had a dope problem, a cocaine problem, 135 00:10:28,421 --> 00:10:31,591 but by '88, I pretty much cleaned up my act. 136 00:10:34,327 --> 00:10:38,806 The dietary supplement that every chef needs. �I take around ten of these a day. 137 00:10:38,931 --> 00:10:41,334 It's an aspirin/Tylenol mix. 138 00:10:45,705 --> 00:10:50,585 Call 'em crunchies. �Let me take you on a notional joyride through our menu tonight. 139 00:10:50,710 --> 00:10:55,290 We have grilled salmon with sorrel sauce. �Veal kidneys. 140 00:10:55,415 --> 00:10:57,358 These kidneys are really good, by the way. 141 00:10:57,483 --> 00:11:00,461 Those of you into water sports will find much to love. 142 00:11:00,586 --> 00:11:02,730 From the first time I met him, I remember thinking, 143 00:11:02,855 --> 00:11:07,735 "Oh, wow, you're, like, tall and handsome and funny. "But you're kind of a big nerd. 144 00:11:07,860 --> 00:11:10,605 "You're nerding out on everything, and you're a little awkward", 145 00:11:10,730 --> 00:11:13,399 and I love that about him. 146 00:11:14,534 --> 00:11:16,912 "At Les Halles, life goes on as always, 147 00:11:17,037 --> 00:11:21,349 "the same crew showing up on time every day. "Eddy, 148 00:11:21,474 --> 00:11:23,618 "Carlos and Omar, Isidoro and Angel. 149 00:11:23,743 --> 00:11:26,187 "They're still with me, and I hope they stay with me. 150 00:11:26,312 --> 00:11:28,523 "My bosses, however, when they read this, 151 00:11:28,648 --> 00:11:32,685 "will really prove themselves patrons of the arts if they don't can me right away." 152 00:11:33,986 --> 00:11:38,533 So you didn't fire him? �I didn't fire him. �I didn't know it was being written. 153 00:11:38,658 --> 00:11:40,401 I didn't know it was going to be published. 154 00:11:40,526 --> 00:11:44,630 Uh, one day, I arrived at the restaurant, and I just said, "What happened?" 155 00:11:45,498 --> 00:11:47,633 You're fucking kidding me. 156 00:11:48,634 --> 00:11:52,380 I was told today that on, I guess, the 12th of this month, 157 00:11:52,505 --> 00:11:54,782 it'll be number seven on the Times Best Seller list. 158 00:11:54,907 --> 00:11:57,652 'Cause it was on 20, wasn't it? And then, uh... 159 00:11:57,777 --> 00:11:59,387 I mean, I'm getting congratulatory calls, 160 00:11:59,512 --> 00:12:03,825 and they're telling me I have a best seller. �Uh, really, it's scary. 161 00:12:03,950 --> 00:12:07,963 No, it's exciting. It's wonderful. �Yeah, I just... 162 00:12:08,088 --> 00:12:12,692 Anything that happens beyond that door �I'm suspicious of. 163 00:12:13,793 --> 00:12:17,973 He was always behind in the rent, always behind his, you know, payments 164 00:12:18,098 --> 00:12:22,744 and-and-and living from paycheck to paycheck, like in a pressure cooker. 165 00:12:22,869 --> 00:12:25,905 So when there was this opportunity, he-he was ready. 166 00:12:33,546 --> 00:12:37,692 "By the time I was 43, "I really thought that I had had all my great adventures, 167 00:12:37,817 --> 00:12:42,755 "that the entertainment and excitement segment of the program was long over." 168 00:12:45,558 --> 00:12:47,660 What's up? -Thank you. 169 00:12:49,896 --> 00:12:52,607 That was cool. "I was comfortably ensconced 170 00:12:52,732 --> 00:12:54,542 "in secure digs with a wife who still remarkably 171 00:12:54,667 --> 00:12:56,744 found me to be amusing on occasion." 172 00:12:56,869 --> 00:12:58,947 What? What are you doing? You're giving interviews? 173 00:12:59,072 --> 00:13:01,950 What are you... you media hoe. "I had a job I loved in 174 00:13:02,075 --> 00:13:06,512 "a successful restaurant, and I was alive, for Christ's sakes. �I was still around." 175 00:13:09,082 --> 00:13:13,728 I don't cook at home. �I-I just... I'm too, uh... I would love to tell you, 176 00:13:13,853 --> 00:13:17,732 you know, I go home and-and cook fabulous, uh, little snackies for-for my wife. 177 00:13:17,857 --> 00:13:22,562 I would be lying if I told you that. �It's more like, "Honey, call out for Chinese." 178 00:13:26,732 --> 00:13:29,978 "There are, it turns out, a million ways "to say 'Suck my dick.' 179 00:13:30,103 --> 00:13:34,348 "And like all great performances, "it's about timing, tone and delivery, 180 00:13:34,473 --> 00:13:38,544 kind of like cooking." �Thanks. 181 00:13:39,745 --> 00:13:44,358 You know, all the TV chefs are so cuddly and adorable, you know. 182 00:13:44,483 --> 00:13:48,018 Maybe I'm the... sort of like the antidote or something. �You know? I don't know. 183 00:13:52,959 --> 00:13:56,370 For me, it happened overnight. �I mean, one minute, I was a cook at a restaurant, 184 00:13:56,495 --> 00:13:58,506 and not a particularly great one, and the next, 185 00:13:58,631 --> 00:14:03,135 I was an author, and it was literally overnight. �It fell in my lap. 186 00:14:03,260 --> 00:14:07,637 I'm selling books now and it's going well. �Now I hired a Chef de Cuisine. 187 00:14:08,307 --> 00:14:12,644 I'm a defector. �I got a free bottle of wine and a basket of food 188 00:14:12,769 --> 00:14:16,563 in my room when I came home last night saying 'Welcome, Chef Bourdain'. 189 00:14:18,451 --> 00:14:22,064 Joining me now is Anthony Bourdain, author of Kitchen Confidential. 190 00:14:22,189 --> 00:14:26,657 Anthony Bourdain... �Chef Anthony Bourdain... �Here's Anthony Bourdain. 191 00:14:27,727 --> 00:14:29,537 What-what do you think about these guys 192 00:14:29,662 --> 00:14:32,473 like Emeril Lagasse and those guys on the Food Network? -Wow. 193 00:14:32,598 --> 00:14:35,810 Y-You're asking me to, you know, kick Santa Claus in the crotch on television. 194 00:14:35,935 --> 00:14:39,680 I mean... �My life gets more and more ridiculous. 195 00:14:39,805 --> 00:14:41,549 Apparently, Brad Pitt will be playing me in a movie. 196 00:14:41,674 --> 00:14:47,755 Yeah, guess what's, uh, tomorrow. �What's tomorrow? -Oprah. �No! You're kidding me! 197 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,359 This is Anthony Bourdain. �His book Kitchen Confidential 198 00:14:51,484 --> 00:14:55,797 is a New York Times Best Seller. I was born to cook. 199 00:14:55,922 --> 00:14:58,399 I loved satisfying people's appetites. 200 00:14:58,524 --> 00:15:02,593 Next, I'll be, uh, doing the lambada with Emeril. �Bam! Just a little... 201 00:15:04,097 --> 00:15:06,097 I'd hate myself. 202 00:15:32,259 --> 00:15:34,259 Thanks. 203 00:15:38,764 --> 00:15:43,611 Oh! Whoa! �Ah. -Tony Bourdain rocks! 204 00:15:43,736 --> 00:15:47,448 What's up, man? Everything good? �Life is good. -Yes, yes. 205 00:15:47,573 --> 00:15:50,518 We're celebrating Tony's book. �Come here, girl. Get in here. -Hi. 206 00:15:50,643 --> 00:15:54,990 How you doing? -Good. �This is Tony. -Hi. �Howdy. -Oh, congratulations. 207 00:15:55,115 --> 00:15:57,592 We're having a good time. �Oh, oh, the next one? 208 00:15:57,717 --> 00:16:00,761 No, the next one, I'm doing something called A Cook's Tour. 209 00:16:00,886 --> 00:16:02,663 Basically, I'm gonna travel around the world, 210 00:16:02,788 --> 00:16:04,066 eating exotic food and having adventures in the Far East 211 00:16:04,191 --> 00:16:10,694 and Africa and South America... with a crew chasing me. Hey, John, come here. 212 00:16:13,300 --> 00:16:17,946 You know, my 15 minutes of quote, unquote "fame", uh, you know, when that's over, 213 00:16:18,071 --> 00:16:22,117 uh, I will be perfectly comfortable with that, if not relieved. 214 00:16:22,242 --> 00:16:27,822 I think even relieved at this point. When I met him for the first time, 215 00:16:27,947 --> 00:16:31,193 he had made a splash with Kitchen Confidential. 216 00:16:31,318 --> 00:16:36,898 I had read that he had a contract to write a second book called A Cook's Tour, 217 00:16:37,023 --> 00:16:39,023 and I called him. 218 00:16:40,093 --> 00:16:44,538 Yes? -And I said, "Hey, I'm a producer." -Doing good. "Would you ever even consider 219 00:16:44,663 --> 00:16:49,211 making Cook's Tour into a series?" �And he, you know, he was like, you know, 220 00:16:49,336 --> 00:16:52,647 "Yeah, uh, whatever." You know? "Sure." -Sure. 221 00:16:52,772 --> 00:16:57,685 He was very nonplussed about the whole idea of doing anything in television. 222 00:16:57,810 --> 00:17:02,080 It was not what was on his mind. �Bye-bye. 223 00:17:03,682 --> 00:17:09,097 A week and a half later, �Chris Collins and I went up to Les Halles. 224 00:17:09,222 --> 00:17:15,003 We found Tony, shot a demo with him and had a conversation with him. 225 00:17:15,128 --> 00:17:19,540 And it became immediately clear he had never traveled. 226 00:17:19,665 --> 00:17:24,246 Lydia and I were far greater world travelers than Tony Bourdain. 227 00:17:24,371 --> 00:17:28,984 His travels were in his head. You know, I want to go to faraway exotic places 228 00:17:29,109 --> 00:17:33,844 with palm trees and where teenagers in army uniforms carry machine guns. 229 00:17:34,980 --> 00:17:37,858 Growing up as a kid, you know, I watched The Crimson Pirate. 230 00:17:37,983 --> 00:17:42,755 You know, all pirates and bad guys having great adventures. 231 00:17:48,661 --> 00:17:54,809 Tony's view of the world emanated from books and from films. 232 00:17:54,934 --> 00:18:00,082 Almost in an encyclopedic way, he could grab all these references. 233 00:18:00,207 --> 00:18:04,920 And I think he was excited to go on this journey 234 00:18:05,045 --> 00:18:11,016 to see if the reality actually matched the imagination. 235 00:18:19,459 --> 00:18:22,304 That moment when we set out 236 00:18:22,429 --> 00:18:26,899 in December of 2000, it's indelible. 237 00:18:27,900 --> 00:18:34,282 Our first journey was, um, for six weeks. �And remember, we'd only spent one... 238 00:18:34,407 --> 00:18:37,277 one day with Tony leading up to that moment. 239 00:18:42,915 --> 00:18:45,327 The image of Tony, I mean, it was, I think, 240 00:18:45,452 --> 00:18:50,123 a guy who, at that moment, was very unsure of what was about to happen. 241 00:18:51,124 --> 00:18:56,104 This way. You know, I'm looking at a strange and, uh, unpredictable future 242 00:18:56,229 --> 00:19:00,608 in a tough business with rules that I'm not com-completely familiar with, 243 00:19:00,733 --> 00:19:03,778 and when I become familiar with them, I... 244 00:19:03,903 --> 00:19:07,073 you know, I don't know whether I like them that much. 245 00:19:08,341 --> 00:19:12,921 We hit the road together, just the three of us. 246 00:19:13,046 --> 00:19:16,316 Lydia and I had just gotten married. 247 00:19:18,017 --> 00:19:23,831 And then we had Tony, a guy who we barely knew. �So it was like three idiots 248 00:19:23,956 --> 00:19:26,059 trying to figure each other out. 249 00:19:27,093 --> 00:19:30,805 The first shoot was Japan. �Like, we didn't know what we were doing. 250 00:19:30,930 --> 00:19:32,740 He definitely didn't know what he was doing. 251 00:19:32,865 --> 00:19:38,938 And Tony immediately became uncomfortable and awkward. 252 00:19:40,073 --> 00:19:45,820 What we would find out very quickly is �Tony was actually a very shy human being. 253 00:19:45,945 --> 00:19:50,125 And to get him to make eye contact or to interact, 254 00:19:50,250 --> 00:19:53,719 it wasn't his natural state. 255 00:19:59,858 --> 00:20:01,802 You know, life on the road with Tony Bourdain 256 00:20:01,927 --> 00:20:05,040 just isn't all it's cracked up to be. �You know what I mean? 257 00:20:05,165 --> 00:20:09,710 The man can be a royal pain in the ass sometimes. 258 00:20:09,835 --> 00:20:16,717 In fact, I got this cold sore on my lip now, and it's due to stress, 259 00:20:16,842 --> 00:20:22,048 stress over Tony's lack of communication. 260 00:20:22,915 --> 00:20:27,295 That, compounded by the fact that we were in Japan being sort of led into scenes 261 00:20:27,420 --> 00:20:32,300 where there was a lot of, kind of, formality involved, 262 00:20:32,425 --> 00:20:36,037 you know, all of those factored into him being quiet, 263 00:20:36,162 --> 00:20:39,065 which was like the worst possible thing. 264 00:20:41,301 --> 00:20:43,303 Mmm. Oh, wow. 265 00:20:44,903 --> 00:20:50,051 Spectacular. I mean, Chris and I went back to the hotel and basically 266 00:20:50,176 --> 00:20:53,478 looked at each other and said like... �We're fucked. 267 00:20:58,318 --> 00:21:00,929 Chris, can... Chris, take a picture of 268 00:21:01,054 --> 00:21:03,764 me and Lydia as we come back with the sun behind her, 269 00:21:03,889 --> 00:21:06,034 pointing up the mountain towards the farmhouse 270 00:21:06,159 --> 00:21:11,739 as we walk up past the yellow triangular sign. �Thank you. 271 00:21:11,864 --> 00:21:17,112 Okay. Here we go. �Okay. �I mean, to be honest, I'm not totally alone, 272 00:21:17,237 --> 00:21:20,348 'cause clearly somebody is shooting this. �I always love those, like, desert scenes, 273 00:21:20,473 --> 00:21:23,884 "I'm alone in the desert." �Yeah, but who else's footprints are those? 274 00:21:24,009 --> 00:21:30,225 You know, one of those things. But-but look. �This is pretty cool. 275 00:21:30,350 --> 00:21:32,260 And it does feel pretty cool to be walking... 276 00:21:32,385 --> 00:21:34,229 Well, I'll tell you this: I'm having a lot more fun 277 00:21:34,354 --> 00:21:38,891 walking forward than the cameraperson is walking backwards, I'm sure. 278 00:21:40,660 --> 00:21:47,033 Was that a groan? �Yes, it was. We went from Japan to Vietnam. 279 00:21:50,303 --> 00:21:54,973 That's when things started to kick in to a different gear. 280 00:21:59,646 --> 00:22:01,389 My good friend Phillipe Lajaunie, 281 00:22:01,514 --> 00:22:04,825 uh, pulled in, uh, semi-unexpectedly last night. 282 00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:07,253 We're ready for, uh, ready for our adventure? 283 00:22:10,156 --> 00:22:15,370 I joined them on that first trip in Vietnam, and he was enjoying himself 284 00:22:15,495 --> 00:22:19,307 and being less cynical. �Hey. �Floating Starbucks over here. 285 00:22:19,432 --> 00:22:23,136 I'll have a double latte, uh, mochaccino please. 286 00:22:24,371 --> 00:22:28,072 Oh, that's great. �Kicks the shit out of Starbucks. 287 00:22:31,378 --> 00:22:35,889 "I love Vietnam. "Maybe it's a pheromonic thing, like when you meet 288 00:22:36,014 --> 00:22:39,961 "the love of your life for the first time. "She just, somehow, 289 00:22:40,086 --> 00:22:42,964 "inexplicably smells and feels right. 290 00:22:43,089 --> 00:22:46,034 "You sense that, given the opportunity, this is the woman 291 00:22:46,159 --> 00:22:48,495 you want to spend the rest of your life with." 292 00:22:49,562 --> 00:22:54,476 We had common desire to spend time in Vietnam, maybe forever. 293 00:22:54,601 --> 00:22:57,970 That was our secret bond. 294 00:22:59,105 --> 00:23:03,318 And of course, the movie Apocalypse Now was one of his top 295 00:23:03,443 --> 00:23:07,355 three movies in his life, uh, because it combined so many things: 296 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,383 Vietnam and the war and-and the book, the Heart of Darkness. 297 00:23:12,051 --> 00:23:15,896 We just started doing all of this self-indulgent film references, 298 00:23:16,021 --> 00:23:20,201 and I suddenly realized, "Wait a minute. �This-this filmmaking thing can be fun." 299 00:23:20,326 --> 00:23:26,341 ? Ah! ? You know, it's a big crayon box. 300 00:23:26,466 --> 00:23:30,336 We can actually enjoy this. �Why am I here? Am I insane? 301 00:23:32,739 --> 00:23:36,251 You know, he used to say, "Don't ever let me do TV. 302 00:23:36,376 --> 00:23:42,023 Thing is like, if I ever do TV, shoot me." And, you know, at first, it was awful. 303 00:23:42,148 --> 00:23:46,928 Where do cooks come from? The answer to this and other questions to follow. 304 00:23:47,053 --> 00:23:50,632 And then very quickly... he's such a good student, he's so freaking smart... 305 00:23:50,757 --> 00:23:55,904 he, like, figured it out. �Chris, Lydia, I love you. �You know that, right? 306 00:23:56,029 --> 00:23:57,939 But I got one night in Bangkok here, okay? 307 00:23:58,064 --> 00:24:00,108 So not even 24 hours we're laying over here. 308 00:24:00,233 --> 00:24:04,145 You want to do a whole goddamn show in 24 hours? �Fine. Okay? 309 00:24:04,270 --> 00:24:09,250 But... forget about blocking out. �No plan and you better be fast. 310 00:24:09,375 --> 00:24:12,245 I'm gonna have a good time. We're gonna roll. 311 00:24:13,346 --> 00:24:18,151 And if you don't get it, you don't get it. Catch it in editing, as we like to say. 312 00:24:20,253 --> 00:24:24,032 What started to grow at that moment was this understanding, 313 00:24:24,157 --> 00:24:26,935 "Tony, you don't need to tell us everything. 314 00:24:27,060 --> 00:24:28,470 "You need to experience this and ask questions. 315 00:24:28,595 --> 00:24:30,605 "That's how we're all gonna learn from this place. 316 00:24:30,730 --> 00:24:36,135 "It's not you being a travel guide. �It's you being open to this experience." 317 00:24:37,136 --> 00:24:40,949 Oh, Jesus. �Look at this. �Look at this thing. 318 00:24:41,074 --> 00:24:44,152 Look at the roe just popping out everywhere. �Just in... Whoa! Whoa. 319 00:24:44,277 --> 00:24:49,023 Come back. Come to papa. �If there is any dish that comes closest to perfection, 320 00:24:49,148 --> 00:24:53,486 this is it, you know. �This is bumping up right up against the walls of heaven. 321 00:24:55,855 --> 00:24:59,526 Ah, man. �We've reached the mountaintop. 322 00:25:29,822 --> 00:25:34,469 And trying to think, you know, "What do I want?" �It would be nice to buy something 323 00:25:34,594 --> 00:25:37,071 that will fulfill some hollow part of my soul, 324 00:25:37,196 --> 00:25:42,068 but I can't think of, you know, anything. �Maybe a car will do it. I-I don't know. 325 00:25:44,203 --> 00:25:48,675 I mean, shit, my rent is paid. �That alone is spectacular. 326 00:25:50,443 --> 00:25:53,788 I mean, I-I... �I'd like to live like a normal person. 327 00:25:53,913 --> 00:25:55,523 That was always my thought, that-that if I get 328 00:25:55,648 --> 00:25:59,027 enough money, I'll be able to live like a normal person. 329 00:25:59,152 --> 00:26:01,754 But I don't even know what that is anymore. 330 00:26:04,891 --> 00:26:08,503 I read Kitchen Confidential at that time, and I call him. 331 00:26:08,628 --> 00:26:14,042 And I invite him to have lunch with me because I want to meet the man. 332 00:26:14,167 --> 00:26:17,403 And he shows up with a-a TV crew. 333 00:26:20,206 --> 00:26:23,451 I thought this was a jackpot. �This was one of my idols. 334 00:26:23,576 --> 00:26:26,646 I was just absolutely freaked out. 335 00:26:28,314 --> 00:26:33,127 Incredibly sophisticated, refined, clean, beautiful, 336 00:26:33,252 --> 00:26:37,799 impeccably presented. �Eric's food is like 337 00:26:37,924 --> 00:26:40,727 the craft performed at its highest level. 338 00:26:43,262 --> 00:26:49,644 When I meet him, I don't expect him... to be so articulate. 339 00:26:49,769 --> 00:26:56,317 And he has amazing good manners at the table. And I think at the end of the meal, 340 00:26:56,442 --> 00:27:01,147 we said we should meet again. �And, um, and we did. 341 00:27:04,041 --> 00:27:06,041 This is a special custard for Tony. 342 00:27:06,168 --> 00:27:10,365 Marlboro cigarettes crunched up into a cream. �Tell him that's his cigarette fix. 343 00:27:10,490 --> 00:27:12,625 Served with foie gras mousse and notes of... 344 00:27:16,963 --> 00:27:19,307 I think what was not a struggle... 345 00:27:19,432 --> 00:27:23,711 I don't know if "struggle" is the right word, but the challenge was to be real, 346 00:27:23,836 --> 00:27:29,717 stay real, and at the same time, be the host of a TV show. �You have to 347 00:27:29,842 --> 00:27:33,588 exaggerate a little bit. �This is like driving a Rolls-Royce naked 348 00:27:33,713 --> 00:27:35,713 in mink underpants. 349 00:27:38,317 --> 00:27:44,299 Just so over-the-top luxurious. I think the person 350 00:27:44,424 --> 00:27:46,334 that people experienced on camera was 351 00:27:46,459 --> 00:27:48,436 someone who seemingly had this incredible ability 352 00:27:48,561 --> 00:27:53,741 to engage with anybody he came across. �It's like the un-muscled James Bond 353 00:27:53,866 --> 00:27:55,743 who could kind of swan into scenes. 354 00:27:55,868 --> 00:28:01,816 There was that persona that was created over time. I am looking for 355 00:28:01,941 --> 00:28:06,754 extremes of emotion and experience. �I'll try anything. I'll risk everything. 356 00:28:06,879 --> 00:28:11,292 I have nothing to lose. �The story was A Cook's Tour 357 00:28:11,417 --> 00:28:14,228 was about a guy who smoke and drank and ate his way around the world. 358 00:28:14,353 --> 00:28:17,231 That was true. �Part of the pitch was, 359 00:28:17,356 --> 00:28:19,759 "And he's gonna eat really weird shit, too." 360 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,373 Let's-let's do the nasty. �They don't seem to have their mise en place together. 361 00:28:25,498 --> 00:28:28,276 I have my mise en place together when I'm making steak frites. 362 00:28:28,401 --> 00:28:29,744 It seems to me, you know, when you're making live cobra, 363 00:28:29,869 --> 00:28:32,246 you know, you should have your operating stuff laid out. 364 00:28:32,371 --> 00:28:34,474 You know, where's the cutting board, the knife? 365 00:28:35,708 --> 00:28:41,222 Scissors? You know, eating those kind of things was for camera, was for network, 366 00:28:41,347 --> 00:28:44,292 was for all the reasons people do that. �It's like, you know, 367 00:28:44,417 --> 00:28:47,787 it's a little salacious, like he's eating a live, beating cobra heart. 368 00:28:49,388 --> 00:28:51,388 Cheers, folks. 369 00:28:54,694 --> 00:28:59,307 Feels strong. �It kind of pumps on its way down, too. And I think that persona 370 00:28:59,432 --> 00:29:02,477 followed him for a number of years, but over time, 371 00:29:02,602 --> 00:29:05,738 that burned off and it became Tony. 372 00:29:16,449 --> 00:29:17,825 Going back to the ancestral homeland, 373 00:29:17,950 --> 00:29:20,595 and maybe we'll discover some things along the way. 374 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,499 So this is my father and a little friend in France 375 00:29:24,624 --> 00:29:26,434 in a little oyster village in the Gironde. 376 00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:32,331 This is one of my favorite pictures, also. �Uh, my brother and I in the same spot. 377 00:29:33,533 --> 00:29:38,413 We didn't do a lot of travel when we were kids 'cause my parents were not rich. 378 00:29:38,538 --> 00:29:41,972 We did go to France a couple of times because my dad had relatives there. 379 00:29:44,111 --> 00:29:50,625 I'm nervous. �Whoever thought we'd do something this goofy? �This isn't goofy. 380 00:29:50,750 --> 00:29:54,429 Our childhood as American kids, we really got into Tintin books, 381 00:29:54,554 --> 00:30:00,401 which Americans say "Tin-Tin." This was a graphic novel about this young reporter 382 00:30:00,526 --> 00:30:05,865 who travels all around the world and ends up with all of these amazing adventures. 383 00:30:07,134 --> 00:30:09,477 I think it was actually, in some ways, an inspiration for Tony's life. 384 00:30:09,602 --> 00:30:14,749 This is an oyster boat similar to the one on which I had my first oyster. 385 00:30:14,874 --> 00:30:18,653 "I blame my first oyster "for everything I did after: my thrill-seeking, 386 00:30:18,778 --> 00:30:21,447 all my hideous screwups in pursuit of pleasure." 387 00:30:23,116 --> 00:30:28,063 "I was miserable and angry." �Damn! We didn't get those when we were kids. 388 00:30:28,188 --> 00:30:31,466 No, no. -He-he! "I bridled bitterly at 389 00:30:31,591 --> 00:30:34,302 "the smothering chokehold of love and normalcy in my house. 390 00:30:34,427 --> 00:30:38,339 "Call it a character flaw, of which drugs were simply a manifestation." 391 00:30:38,464 --> 00:30:42,343 Outstanding, Corporal! -Most excellent. "A petulant 'fuck you' 392 00:30:42,468 --> 00:30:47,840 "to my bourgeois parents, who'd committed the unpardonable sin of loving me." 393 00:30:49,008 --> 00:30:51,510 I'm really glad we got a chance to do this. -Me, too. 394 00:30:52,645 --> 00:30:55,882 We're older and more mature now. 395 00:31:02,055 --> 00:31:08,661 Yeah. -Okay. �Yeah, let's do another one. �Yeah. -Okay. �All right, um, take two. 396 00:31:10,529 --> 00:31:12,908 "Two years ago, frequent flyer miles meant nothing to me. 397 00:31:13,033 --> 00:31:16,477 Today, miles earned are the pathetic milestones of my..." 398 00:31:16,602 --> 00:31:20,681 Top? -Yeah, start at the top. �All right, take three. We would write the voice-over 399 00:31:20,806 --> 00:31:25,020 in the beginning. �Like, we need context for what we're seeing. �We need 400 00:31:25,145 --> 00:31:29,857 some summary of the scene. "Later, I'm on another swing through Southeast Asia 401 00:31:29,982 --> 00:31:32,727 "with layovers here and there. "First stop, Singapore. 402 00:31:32,852 --> 00:31:35,730 A quick business dinner with my editor, Ilangoh T..." 403 00:31:35,855 --> 00:31:40,701 "Tanalaban"? "Tanadab..." "Tana..." Is it... No. �Thanabalan. -Thanabalan. Okay. 404 00:31:40,826 --> 00:31:43,538 "Later, I'm on a..." Tony would come to the narration, 405 00:31:43,663 --> 00:31:46,975 and he'd be like, "What is the shit?" �You know what I mean? And so... 406 00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:48,709 he would start scratching things out. 407 00:31:48,834 --> 00:31:51,579 And, you know, first it started with a word or two here 408 00:31:51,704 --> 00:31:56,784 or a sentence or two here. �You know, and then he became, like, maniacal about it. 409 00:31:56,909 --> 00:32:00,588 "...book tours, the TV show, I travel for a living. 410 00:32:00,713 --> 00:32:03,591 "I've committed to memory the SkyMall magazine. 411 00:32:03,716 --> 00:32:07,595 "The electronic watering timer, $49.99. "Duty-free restrictions: 412 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:12,733 one liter alcohol, two cartons of smokes." "Cobbler for dessert? I don't think so. 413 00:32:12,858 --> 00:32:16,004 "Airport to airport, city to city, 414 00:32:16,129 --> 00:32:19,774 "I'm starting to feel like a modern-day Willy Loman. 415 00:32:19,899 --> 00:32:26,447 "Time zone to time zone, country to country, this, it appears, is my life." 416 00:32:26,572 --> 00:32:29,884 He really understood, like, "This is an extension of me. 417 00:32:30,009 --> 00:32:36,824 "This is an extension of my writing. "I better write in my voice. 418 00:32:36,949 --> 00:32:38,759 "You know, otherwise this is gonna sound... I'm gonna sound 419 00:32:38,884 --> 00:32:44,023 like a tr-travel television host rather than a writer." 420 00:32:46,293 --> 00:32:50,538 "Making TV was becoming "creatively satisfying. 421 00:32:50,663 --> 00:32:56,611 "I wrote the book and yet continued filming. "The tail now wagged the dog. 422 00:32:56,736 --> 00:33:02,075 "I was hooked on travel, on seeing the world, "and on the terms I was seeing it. 423 00:33:04,877 --> 00:33:06,922 "I was on the road for the better part of two years, 424 00:33:07,047 --> 00:33:10,658 "during which time everything in my life changed. 425 00:33:10,783 --> 00:33:14,196 "I stopped working as a chef, a job whose daily routines 426 00:33:14,321 --> 00:33:19,625 "have always been the only thing "that stood between me and chaos. 427 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,064 My first marriage began to fall apart." 428 00:33:25,664 --> 00:33:30,145 They were together almost 30 years. �You know, he was 429 00:33:30,270 --> 00:33:36,817 a traditional romantic. He believed that you could meet your high school sweetheart 430 00:33:36,942 --> 00:33:40,047 and spend the rest of your life with them. 431 00:33:42,282 --> 00:33:45,726 They were like, you know, Sid and Nancy. 432 00:33:45,851 --> 00:33:48,964 They were like two people conspiring against the world. 433 00:33:49,089 --> 00:33:53,759 It was a love born out of youth and rebellion. 434 00:33:55,028 --> 00:34:00,108 Great. �Nancy, I hope your divorce lawyer is paying close attention to this footage. 435 00:34:00,233 --> 00:34:04,071 Feel free to depose anyone on this crew at any time. 436 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,144 This, too, of course, is part of life's glorious mosaic. 437 00:34:12,212 --> 00:34:17,092 Nancy had no interest in fame or being tied to fame, but it just 438 00:34:17,217 --> 00:34:20,561 was like a rebirth for Tony. �It was like he died and-and was reborn. 439 00:34:20,686 --> 00:34:23,090 I mean, this was a new person with a new life. 440 00:34:24,723 --> 00:34:28,270 "I wrote a crime novel "around that time in which the characters' yearnings 441 00:34:28,395 --> 00:34:31,940 "for a white-picket-fence kind of a life reflect my own 442 00:34:32,065 --> 00:34:36,044 "far more truthfully than any nonfiction I've ever written. 443 00:34:36,169 --> 00:34:42,808 "Shortly after that, I cruelly burned down my previous life in its entirety." 444 00:35:06,466 --> 00:35:10,912 That dying glow in the background is, uh, I think the fuel depot from the airport... 445 00:35:11,037 --> 00:35:15,917 There we are on the balcony in my room, nervously emptying out the minibar, uh, 446 00:35:16,042 --> 00:35:19,712 watching jet fuel cook off at the airport. 447 00:35:20,813 --> 00:35:26,727 We had gone there to shoot a show for the Travel Channel about how Beirut was 448 00:35:26,852 --> 00:35:32,334 this renaissance of thought, feeling and energy, and we shot two scenes, 449 00:35:32,459 --> 00:35:35,961 and then shit went south really fast. 450 00:35:36,929 --> 00:35:39,107 There was a border incident with Israel. 451 00:35:39,232 --> 00:35:42,676 Hezbollah had kidnapped some Israeli soldiers, 452 00:35:42,801 --> 00:35:45,938 and basically, uh, we got caught up in a war. 453 00:35:48,774 --> 00:35:53,687 Hold on. Let me, uh... �Todd, exactly how disgusted and anxious are you? 454 00:35:53,812 --> 00:35:57,926 We're damn lucky to be here. �We're spending all this time at the pool, 455 00:35:58,051 --> 00:36:03,864 watching helicopters come in and out. It was just a waiting game for us. 456 00:36:03,989 --> 00:36:07,202 We had to go in the basement because there was a lot of bombs by us. 457 00:36:07,327 --> 00:36:09,327 They knocked down our house. 458 00:36:10,430 --> 00:36:13,375 You know, look at us in those scenes. �You know, we're sitting around the pool, 459 00:36:13,500 --> 00:36:17,870 getting tan, you know, watching a war. 460 00:36:19,306 --> 00:36:24,785 If there's a single metaphor in this entire experience, that... 461 00:36:24,910 --> 00:36:27,113 you know, that's probably it. 462 00:36:28,381 --> 00:36:30,381 Not a flattering one. 463 00:36:41,961 --> 00:36:45,673 When they arrived back, the first thing he said was, 464 00:36:45,798 --> 00:36:47,275 "We cannot make a show out of this. 465 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,046 I refuse to exploit this experience in that way." 466 00:36:51,171 --> 00:36:53,739 Needless to say, the network saw it differently. 467 00:36:54,974 --> 00:37:00,888 There's just no neat sum-up to the story. He stopped doing the... 468 00:37:01,013 --> 00:37:06,817 rosy sum-up of what we just saw. �He just stopped. 469 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:08,130 In the few years since I've started 470 00:37:08,255 --> 00:37:11,765 to travel this world, I'd found myself changing. 471 00:37:11,890 --> 00:37:16,304 I'd begun to believe that the dinner table was the great leveler. 472 00:37:16,429 --> 00:37:21,176 Now I'm not so sure. �Maybe the world's not like that at all. 473 00:37:21,301 --> 00:37:26,014 Maybe in the real world, the one without cameras and happy food and travel shows, 474 00:37:26,139 --> 00:37:29,783 everybody, the good and the bad together, 475 00:37:29,908 --> 00:37:34,389 are all crushed under the same terrible wheel. �I hope... 476 00:37:34,514 --> 00:37:37,250 I really hope I'm wrong about that. 477 00:37:41,521 --> 00:37:45,100 That ambiguity, that's what he embraced. 478 00:37:45,225 --> 00:37:48,961 Fucking open-endedness is where the answers are. 479 00:37:50,597 --> 00:37:55,510 It was an embittering experience. �It got all of us thinking about, you know, 480 00:37:55,635 --> 00:37:57,803 what's important in life. 481 00:38:00,106 --> 00:38:05,911 Oh, it's recording. �Oh, my God. �You look like an idiot. 482 00:38:07,347 --> 00:38:10,225 Come on, say something, Mr. Anthony Bourdain. 483 00:38:10,350 --> 00:38:13,428 This is, uh, our vacation video, and we're gonna show this to our children. 484 00:38:13,553 --> 00:38:20,193 Welcome to my video. �Welcome to my first independent film. �My spring vacation. 485 00:38:22,228 --> 00:38:27,142 Ow, ow, ow! �Come on, I'm driving. �How do you say that in English? 486 00:38:27,267 --> 00:38:29,267 Is this a bad thing? 487 00:38:30,103 --> 00:38:33,281 Tony was single, and Ottavia worked for me. 488 00:38:33,406 --> 00:38:35,984 Tony called me and he-he said, "Who is this girl, Ottavia?" 489 00:38:36,109 --> 00:38:40,922 And I said, "Well, have fun. You know, don't take it seriously." 490 00:38:41,047 --> 00:38:46,394 Eric thought, you know, we were the perfect match for those 491 00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:52,866 occasional, you know, rendezvous. �You drive like Grandma. 492 00:38:52,991 --> 00:38:56,004 What do you mean? Does Grandma drive like this? �Oh, here, look, no hands. 493 00:38:56,129 --> 00:39:00,008 Oh, yeah. I thought he was gonna be this 494 00:39:00,133 --> 00:39:03,144 bad boy, a little bit arrogant, 495 00:39:03,269 --> 00:39:07,340 and not what I was expecting but endearing nonetheless. 496 00:39:09,142 --> 00:39:14,089 Perfetto. �But you know what the show's about? �No. -It's about a, 497 00:39:14,214 --> 00:39:19,860 about a existential crossroads in my life. �You look bored already. �I am. 498 00:39:19,985 --> 00:39:22,564 You saw they were pretty smitten. �I mean, he always has 499 00:39:22,689 --> 00:39:27,901 really appreciated very strong women. She would cut him no slack. 500 00:39:28,026 --> 00:39:31,473 This is a load of. �What are the chances this scene is gonna end up 501 00:39:31,598 --> 00:39:35,043 on the cutting room floor? -Zero. �Even if we fight. 502 00:39:35,168 --> 00:39:39,080 Now, that would be good television, see? �We should fight. 503 00:39:39,205 --> 00:39:42,951 A couple of months later, we are in a restaurant, and she's toasting him 504 00:39:43,076 --> 00:39:48,390 at the table, and I see tears in his eyes. �Real tears. 505 00:39:48,515 --> 00:39:51,217 And we're like, "Oh, my God, he's in love." 506 00:39:52,452 --> 00:39:57,332 Okay, let's do some romantic thing. �What, like... No. �Get that... 507 00:39:57,457 --> 00:40:02,003 Tony was like the teenagers, like, falling in love for the first time. 508 00:40:02,128 --> 00:40:04,072 They changed their clothes and the music 509 00:40:04,197 --> 00:40:06,874 that they're listening to, and pieces of him that you thought 510 00:40:06,999 --> 00:40:10,303 you knew were... shifting. 511 00:40:13,106 --> 00:40:18,420 Were you shocked when Tony had a kid? �I was shocked. �I had asked him 512 00:40:18,545 --> 00:40:21,047 how come he didn't have kids, and he's like... 513 00:40:22,215 --> 00:40:25,951 "It's just not something I ever see myself doing, ever." 514 00:40:27,019 --> 00:40:30,632 For most of my life, I wouldn't have been a good father. 515 00:40:30,757 --> 00:40:36,338 Too self-involved, too messed-up on drugs. �And also afraid. 516 00:40:36,463 --> 00:40:38,973 The thought of being frightened for a child, 517 00:40:39,098 --> 00:40:43,036 you know, I was not up to that kind of fear. 518 00:40:44,404 --> 00:40:48,116 Any doubts I might have had kind of dissipated 519 00:40:48,241 --> 00:40:53,121 when I realized how happy, how happy, excited he was 520 00:40:53,246 --> 00:40:56,115 that he was gonna become a father. 521 00:40:57,116 --> 00:41:00,353 No phone. -No phone? 522 00:41:02,522 --> 00:41:07,702 Okay. Okay. That's okay. �That's okay? -That's okay. 523 00:41:07,827 --> 00:41:13,074 Yeah? It's okay, Dada? -Come on. Come on. �Okay, a little hug? -Come on. 524 00:41:13,199 --> 00:41:18,546 Come on, now. Okay, okay. �Okay, okay. -Okay. 525 00:41:18,671 --> 00:41:23,710 Come on. Come on, Appa. �Appa. -Appa? What about your appa? 526 00:41:28,648 --> 00:41:32,026 One, two, three. ? You know we're talking ? 527 00:41:32,151 --> 00:41:35,788 Come on, come on. - ? 'Bout the doctor. ? �But what does the doctor look like? 528 00:41:38,124 --> 00:41:42,260 Well, hello. I'm Dr. Tony. �What seems to be the problem here? 529 00:41:42,829 --> 00:41:46,374 I'm here to help you get all better. �Hooray! -Yeah! 530 00:41:46,499 --> 00:41:48,476 We should help all people when they need help. 531 00:41:48,601 --> 00:41:54,449 Hey, that reminds me, I have to get back. �Bye. 532 00:41:54,574 --> 00:42:01,055 This is my life. �I wake up. �I walk my daughter to her summer camp. 533 00:42:01,180 --> 00:42:03,391 You know, I have a few minutes of normal family life, 534 00:42:03,516 --> 00:42:06,628 then I, like, take the elevator downstairs, and there's yet another... 535 00:42:06,753 --> 00:42:10,688 Yo, Anthony! How you doing, boss? �Hey, what's up, man? 536 00:42:10,948 --> 00:42:15,470 Let's go get a cocktail, c'mon man �Are you on the job? 537 00:42:15,595 --> 00:42:18,698 Yo, this guy's got the best show on TV. 538 00:42:20,333 --> 00:42:24,779 Tony got really famous. �Like, every two minutes, it seemed, 539 00:42:24,904 --> 00:42:29,784 someone's going up to him. "Hey." �You know, "Tony, I'm a huge fan. 540 00:42:29,909 --> 00:42:33,455 "Can I take a photo? "Can you talk to me? 541 00:42:33,580 --> 00:42:35,223 What are, what-what are some travel tips? Would I..." 542 00:42:35,348 --> 00:42:38,785 It-it was just incessant, nonstop barrage. 543 00:42:44,824 --> 00:42:48,770 He got a kid and he wanted to be a good husband to Ottavia, 544 00:42:48,895 --> 00:42:55,109 and... everything changed, man. �For him. �I'm food bad boy Tony Bourdain. 545 00:42:55,234 --> 00:42:57,612 There's nowhere I won't go and nothing I won't eat, 546 00:42:57,737 --> 00:43:00,281 as long as I'm paid in emeralds and my hotel room has 547 00:43:00,406 --> 00:43:05,778 a bidet that shoots warm champagne. �Ladies and gentlemen, Anthony Bourdain. 548 00:43:20,526 --> 00:43:25,273 And that's when I was like, "Tony, like, what the fuck, man? 549 00:43:25,398 --> 00:43:30,512 "Like, how do you maintain your cool and your composure and you're nice?" 550 00:43:30,637 --> 00:43:32,480 I'll never forget this. He's like, "Listen. 551 00:43:32,605 --> 00:43:35,416 "Me being nice to someone and being gracious to them, 552 00:43:35,541 --> 00:43:39,554 "if that's my job, it certainly beats 553 00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:44,250 being middling line cook at a struggling restaurant." 554 00:43:46,552 --> 00:43:50,398 Do you have anything resembling a normal life? �No. 555 00:43:50,523 --> 00:43:53,434 I'm asking this 'cause the answer for me is no. 556 00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:57,171 I want to say no, 'cause I just visited my friends. 557 00:43:57,296 --> 00:44:03,144 I haven't seen them in many years. �Right. -And I felt I just... �I couldn't relate. 558 00:44:03,269 --> 00:44:04,579 I mean, it's like... -I know, I know. 559 00:44:04,704 --> 00:44:09,350 And I-I understand those, but-but, but... yeah. �I'm a freak. 560 00:44:09,475 --> 00:44:12,720 They only... -Fucking hell. Jesus. �Oh, is this so interesting? 561 00:44:12,845 --> 00:44:17,592 What are we waiting for? �Is there... �We're always at the ready. 562 00:44:17,717 --> 00:44:21,496 I'm about to give birth to a big fucking alien baby at any moment. 563 00:44:21,621 --> 00:44:24,732 It's-it's gonna be huge. �All right, why don't we take five, then. 564 00:44:24,857 --> 00:44:29,370 Take five. -Holy crap. Jesus. �And you're... 565 00:44:29,495 --> 00:44:31,898 How many days of straight shooting you have? 566 00:44:33,733 --> 00:44:35,733 Don't ask me that. 567 00:45:22,749 --> 00:45:24,559 The international narco trafficker 568 00:45:24,684 --> 00:45:27,261 Tom Vitale was arrested in Amsterdam just recently. 569 00:45:27,386 --> 00:45:30,665 On examination at the local precinct, they found he'd swallowed 570 00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:33,659 a record-breaking 90 bolitas of cocaine. 571 00:45:35,062 --> 00:45:40,808 What made it into the shows was, as far as I was concerned, the least interesting... 572 00:45:40,933 --> 00:45:46,873 parts of the trip. �Welcome to another episode of 24-Hour Fuck-over. 573 00:45:51,511 --> 00:45:56,424 He was a control freak in a lot of ways. �You couldn't win an argument with him. 574 00:45:56,549 --> 00:45:59,494 Just because there was an idea, he would challenge it. 575 00:45:59,619 --> 00:46:03,641 Do you have any lines for me? �Maybe you can feed me something. �Rome at dusk... 576 00:46:03,766 --> 00:46:08,269 Rome at dusk. There's really no place like it, is there? �Uh, romance is in the air. 577 00:46:08,394 --> 00:46:11,006 Who says that? -We're here for two days. �When? When at any point in my life 578 00:46:11,131 --> 00:46:14,943 have I ever said that? �Occasionally you feel inspired and you say something 579 00:46:15,068 --> 00:46:20,506 really nice that makes me tear up. �Not today, I guess. 580 00:46:23,409 --> 00:46:24,719 Well, I would say his barometer 581 00:46:24,844 --> 00:46:26,454 for bullshit in general was extremely sensitive. 582 00:46:26,579 --> 00:46:28,423 But if he felt we were bullshitting, 583 00:46:28,548 --> 00:46:30,725 I mean, that's like kind of the ultimate sin, right? 584 00:46:30,850 --> 00:46:34,262 You're gonna walk down along the canal... You'd have to sort of 585 00:46:34,387 --> 00:46:39,267 lead from behind with him. �What kind of fascist regime is this? 586 00:46:39,392 --> 00:46:42,737 Because when Tony wanted to leave, Tony would leave. 587 00:46:42,862 --> 00:46:45,473 I mean, stopping him had to be physical. 588 00:46:45,598 --> 00:46:51,879 Like putting my body in between him and the escape route. �Keep him away from me. 589 00:46:52,004 --> 00:46:54,004 No, no, no. 590 00:47:02,415 --> 00:47:06,452 Yeah, I've had enough, man. �Too, too fucked-up. 591 00:47:07,553 --> 00:47:09,822 Well, my day's ruined. 592 00:47:13,126 --> 00:47:16,370 Really? -No. �All right. Goodbye. -I'm gonna burst into tears. 593 00:47:16,495 --> 00:47:19,507 Yeah, that's pretty good, huh? In the beginning, it was just 594 00:47:19,632 --> 00:47:24,378 Chris and Lydia shooting with him. �They did that for several years 595 00:47:24,503 --> 00:47:26,647 and then brought in a whole team of people, 596 00:47:26,772 --> 00:47:32,687 many of them who stuck around to the end. �This is for you. �Oh! 597 00:47:32,812 --> 00:47:37,358 You might need this later. -Oh, I will. It was pretty much 598 00:47:37,483 --> 00:47:42,463 the most formative years of my life. �There will be blood. 599 00:47:42,588 --> 00:47:49,037 There were these battling sort of teams on the show. �Hi, Diane. -Diane. �Hey! Hey! 600 00:47:49,162 --> 00:47:54,408 Zach introduced a little something called the-the lens change. I think Tony liked me 601 00:47:54,533 --> 00:47:57,913 for a couple reasons. �One was that, you know, I enjoyed fucking with Tony. 602 00:47:58,038 --> 00:48:01,415 You know? I mean, it was... �Uh, we all sort of fucked with him in our own ways. 603 00:48:01,540 --> 00:48:06,387 You know, it was very competitive, and so the bar got pushed every single episode. 604 00:48:06,512 --> 00:48:10,525 Tony was in on everything. �Every show was something that was important. 605 00:48:10,650 --> 00:48:16,455 Every show had his care in it. �Every show potentially had his wrath. 606 00:48:18,824 --> 00:48:23,696 I mean, how many emails I got, "Tell editor to un-fuck itself." 607 00:48:24,597 --> 00:48:26,641 And I had to translate that to the editor. 608 00:48:26,766 --> 00:48:31,470 He would say that the greatest sin is mediocrity. 609 00:48:33,140 --> 00:48:36,651 "Aspiring to mediocrity. "There is a grim, inevitable 610 00:48:36,776 --> 00:48:39,487 "and all too predictable trajectory 611 00:48:39,612 --> 00:48:41,990 "to the passage of a good episode of television. 612 00:48:42,115 --> 00:48:44,659 "People aren't as stupid as your minions clearly believe. 613 00:48:44,784 --> 00:48:47,996 "They don't need the truth "pounded home with meaningless platitudes 614 00:48:48,121 --> 00:48:54,569 "or bland, generic sum-ups. �They'll get it." �And it goes on for several pages. 615 00:48:54,694 --> 00:49:00,541 "Don't empower these squirrel-balled nerds "by letting them get their way. 616 00:49:00,666 --> 00:49:05,004 "They will then nibble this show to death "like hungry ducks. 617 00:49:06,005 --> 00:49:11,485 As always, best wishes and respect, Tony." �And this was written to somebody 618 00:49:11,610 --> 00:49:14,513 he truly liked and respected. 619 00:49:18,017 --> 00:49:20,828 It bothered him if everyone liked the show. 620 00:49:20,953 --> 00:49:25,533 He was like, "It should create conversation." �How old is he? 621 00:49:25,658 --> 00:49:29,893 D-Does he even remember the planes? �He was a child. 622 00:49:30,896 --> 00:49:34,042 He doesn't remember. �Doesn't remember. All these years... 623 00:49:34,167 --> 00:49:36,111 He was a shockingly countercultural voice. 624 00:49:36,236 --> 00:49:39,614 I mean, so many of the countries I worked in with him 625 00:49:39,739 --> 00:49:44,619 were still dealing with the fallout from whatever America had done. 626 00:49:44,744 --> 00:49:48,190 For him, it's losing everything, uh, because he's the... 627 00:49:48,315 --> 00:49:53,461 the head of the family, feeding the family. �Um, so after losing 628 00:49:53,586 --> 00:49:59,259 his arms and his legs, uh, it's-it's a great disaster for his life. 629 00:50:02,129 --> 00:50:09,044 Uh, he wants to know if you are afraid of seeing the-the reality. �Ah. Afraid? 630 00:50:09,169 --> 00:50:14,882 Um, uh, no. �It-it hurts, but I think that's appropriate. 631 00:50:15,007 --> 00:50:16,919 You know, it should. I think Americans... 632 00:50:17,044 --> 00:50:21,647 every American should see the results of war. 633 00:50:22,382 --> 00:50:24,950 I think it's, uh... 634 00:50:26,053 --> 00:50:31,258 ...the least I can do is to-to see the world with open eyes. 635 00:50:43,803 --> 00:50:49,850 You'll notice that, in general, I'm not myself. �Where's the snark, the attitude? 636 00:50:49,975 --> 00:50:53,612 Well, what do you say to this? 637 00:50:56,249 --> 00:50:58,751 I honestly don't know. 638 00:51:02,322 --> 00:51:08,794 People are not statistics. �Surely there's value in-in showing the little things. 639 00:51:11,064 --> 00:51:14,101 How's business for her? Uh, can you ask her? 640 00:51:15,268 --> 00:51:18,146 Not re... not really good this time. �Not good? -No. 641 00:51:18,271 --> 00:51:21,716 I mean, the country's situation, people don't have any income, any money, 642 00:51:21,841 --> 00:51:25,153 so they can't buy food in the street. �So you can imagine that. 643 00:51:25,278 --> 00:51:28,991 That, see... that why you see a lot of guys here begging, you know. 644 00:51:29,116 --> 00:51:32,626 "Can you buy me some food? Can you give me something?" The biggest issue 645 00:51:32,751 --> 00:51:36,231 that we dealt with was trying to be, 646 00:51:36,356 --> 00:51:39,667 you know, the fly on the wall and-and going into a place 647 00:51:39,792 --> 00:51:41,902 and not having an effect. 648 00:51:42,027 --> 00:51:46,707 Like, this episode is a prime example of just trying to help, 649 00:51:46,832 --> 00:51:49,136 and it rearing its ugly head. 650 00:51:50,836 --> 00:51:52,180 We have all this leftover food. 651 00:51:52,305 --> 00:51:55,808 Tony's like, "Let's just give it to the people here." 652 00:51:58,044 --> 00:52:03,150 You know, they're hungry, and of course mayhem ensued. 653 00:52:05,818 --> 00:52:07,996 Larger kids were just, like, throwing younger kids 654 00:52:08,121 --> 00:52:13,460 out of the line, and it was a very ugly scenario. 655 00:52:25,004 --> 00:52:29,217 I think Tony ultimately saw that it wasn't just food. 656 00:52:29,342 --> 00:52:33,989 There's suffering in this world, and that seems to be omnipresent. 657 00:52:34,114 --> 00:52:36,358 How do you spend time with people 658 00:52:36,483 --> 00:52:39,361 and-and-and you empathize with their plight... 659 00:52:39,486 --> 00:52:45,666 How does that not change you fundamentally? �Whee. Whee. 660 00:52:45,791 --> 00:52:49,294 You going to outer space? �Yes. 661 00:52:50,763 --> 00:52:55,709 Going higher. He was traveling 250 days a year, 662 00:52:55,834 --> 00:52:57,079 and, you know, when you come back home, 663 00:52:57,204 --> 00:52:59,272 you have to be a husband, you have to be a father. 664 00:53:01,874 --> 00:53:06,979 With the little time he had, he was very attentive. 665 00:53:08,148 --> 00:53:11,084 Sandcastles on the beach, all day long. 666 00:53:18,857 --> 00:53:23,871 I think it was a surprise and shock for him, that late in life, 667 00:53:23,996 --> 00:53:28,410 to experience that kind of love. �Can I use this hand? 668 00:53:28,535 --> 00:53:31,913 That's okay. Use that hand. �We'll pull that out and use that hand for the crumbs. 669 00:53:32,038 --> 00:53:38,752 It's okay. It moved him to his core. �And I think he was constantly aware 670 00:53:38,877 --> 00:53:41,880 of, like, not wanting to screw it up. 671 00:53:43,015 --> 00:53:44,892 Are you really in this country right now, or is this a mirage? 672 00:53:45,017 --> 00:53:49,730 I-I am my stunt double. �Couldn't you get someone better-looking? 673 00:53:49,855 --> 00:53:54,169 Yeah. Oh! Fans of the show think he had 674 00:53:54,294 --> 00:53:56,938 the greatest job in the world, but it was one that 675 00:53:57,063 --> 00:53:59,107 there was no way to ever escape from. 676 00:53:59,232 --> 00:54:02,944 Couldn't really go home for a day and not be �Anthony Bourdain. 677 00:54:03,069 --> 00:54:06,181 What kind are you making? �Cookie. What's the best kind? 678 00:54:06,306 --> 00:54:09,276 I don't know. Uh, are you observing child labor laws? 679 00:54:10,876 --> 00:54:12,820 His daughter used to do this joke 680 00:54:12,945 --> 00:54:14,322 where she would get up and say, "I'm Anthony Bourdain." 681 00:54:14,447 --> 00:54:18,460 Hi. My name's Anthony Bourdain. "You may know me from such TV shows as..." 682 00:54:18,585 --> 00:54:24,332 Maybe you know me from such shows as, uh... She knew that her father 683 00:54:24,457 --> 00:54:28,794 and Anthony Bourdain were very separate entities. 684 00:54:31,231 --> 00:54:35,033 You're picking that nose pretty hard there, young lady. 685 00:54:36,303 --> 00:54:42,017 Oh! God! "I'm through being cool. "Or, more accurately, I'm through 686 00:54:42,142 --> 00:54:43,952 "entertaining the notion that anybody could even 687 00:54:44,077 --> 00:54:47,088 "consider the possibility of coolness emanating from 688 00:54:47,213 --> 00:54:52,127 or residing anywhere near me." �Everybody kick to the camera. 689 00:54:52,252 --> 00:54:58,967 Hi-yah! "The essence of cool, after all, "is not giving a fuck. 690 00:54:59,092 --> 00:55:02,928 And let's face it, I most definitely give a fuck now." 691 00:55:04,664 --> 00:55:08,510 You know, my whole life, I was like a kid with my nose pressed against the glass, 692 00:55:08,635 --> 00:55:10,844 like, wondering, you know, "What must it be like to, like, 693 00:55:10,969 --> 00:55:14,182 "have a kid and, you know, a normal family 694 00:55:14,307 --> 00:55:16,817 "and-and stand in the backyard with this silly apron, 695 00:55:16,942 --> 00:55:18,920 you know, barbecuing burgers?" 696 00:55:19,045 --> 00:55:22,057 And so when I find... -Can I get a picture of that? ...when I find myself 697 00:55:22,182 --> 00:55:26,261 doing that, I am, like, ridiculously, stupid happy. 698 00:55:26,386 --> 00:55:28,430 Like, I do a lot of pretty cool shit now. 699 00:55:28,555 --> 00:55:30,398 I travel all over the world, I see all these amazing things, 700 00:55:30,523 --> 00:55:34,302 but I'm never happier than when I'm standing in-in the backyard 701 00:55:34,427 --> 00:55:39,941 being, like, TV dad, because... �I-I feel normal. 702 00:55:40,066 --> 00:55:43,401 You know? Whatever the hell that means. �Yeah, what does that mean? 703 00:55:44,671 --> 00:55:49,317 I live a very strange life. �I try to make up for it when I go home 704 00:55:49,442 --> 00:55:53,054 by cooking aggressively. �Like, I try to kill people around me with food. 705 00:55:53,179 --> 00:55:57,215 You know, like, "Eat, eat, you know. �Why aren't you eating? Don't you love me?" 706 00:55:58,351 --> 00:56:02,163 He straddled the world of being the domestic guy, 707 00:56:02,288 --> 00:56:06,101 but that pull for the experience outside... 708 00:56:06,226 --> 00:56:08,570 you know, like as if it was gonna slip away 709 00:56:08,695 --> 00:56:12,432 if he wasn't there... was equally as great. 710 00:56:15,535 --> 00:56:19,914 He was always rushing. �He was rushing everywhere. 711 00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:23,985 He was rushing to get into the scene. �He was rushing to get out of the scene. 712 00:56:24,110 --> 00:56:26,054 Rushing to get out of the country. 713 00:56:26,179 --> 00:56:31,084 Rushing to go somewhere next, even if he had nowhere to go. 714 00:56:43,329 --> 00:56:47,342 ? Making time... ? Traveling the Earth alone 715 00:56:47,467 --> 00:56:49,411 is what I'm accustomed to being on a tour. 716 00:56:49,536 --> 00:56:55,083 And as fathers, we bonded over that feeling and feeling like, 717 00:56:55,208 --> 00:56:57,085 "I'm here to give a piece of myself away." 718 00:56:57,210 --> 00:57:01,889 And, um, as the years go on, that can be difficult. ? Everybody leaving... ? 719 00:57:02,014 --> 00:57:03,491 Close. -The wind. That was the wind. 720 00:57:03,616 --> 00:57:09,097 Right. We got to, we got to, you know, factor that in. �There we go. 721 00:57:09,222 --> 00:57:12,567 And we just hit it off. �What do you call an eternal optimist? 722 00:57:12,692 --> 00:57:14,692 An accordion player with a beeper. 723 00:57:16,196 --> 00:57:20,108 It's hard to make friends. �To be at the tip of the spear, 724 00:57:20,233 --> 00:57:26,047 it's like asking for loneliness. �Oh! �Oh, yeah. 725 00:57:26,172 --> 00:57:28,172 That motherfucker bled out already. 726 00:57:29,042 --> 00:57:32,020 Straight to the jugular. ? Closing your eyes ? 727 00:57:32,145 --> 00:57:37,392 ? Making more excuses ? ? Pulling the wool... ? 728 00:57:37,517 --> 00:57:39,517 Yeah. -Can you make it three? 729 00:57:41,554 --> 00:57:43,498 Well, cheers to that. -Cheers. 730 00:57:43,623 --> 00:57:48,570 I always think of, "Yo, ho, ho, a pirate's life for me." �That's-that's what I think. 731 00:57:48,695 --> 00:57:52,006 I mean, that's... �But you've been, you've been touring for...? 732 00:57:52,131 --> 00:57:56,378 Since I was 18, yeah. �You know? �You know, but it's weird. 733 00:57:56,503 --> 00:57:59,114 I-I'm home for... I'm ridiculously happy for a week, 734 00:57:59,239 --> 00:58:02,050 and then I start getting, like, crazy, like I should be doing something. 735 00:58:02,175 --> 00:58:06,421 I call it the bittersweet curse. �Nothing feels better than going home. 736 00:58:06,546 --> 00:58:08,681 And nothing feels better than leaving home. 737 00:58:10,316 --> 00:58:12,585 Yeah, you got a point. -You know? 738 00:58:21,361 --> 00:58:25,565 I loved watching him pick up influence as he went along through life. 739 00:58:27,567 --> 00:58:32,272 He's a great American storyteller, and he started off as a voyeur. 740 00:58:35,408 --> 00:58:40,622 He's watching these and detailing these great tales of what you're seeing. 741 00:58:40,747 --> 00:58:45,260 And then, all of a sudden, he's starting to live those stories that he's telling. 742 00:58:45,385 --> 00:58:48,087 He's starting to look inside. 743 00:58:59,465 --> 00:59:05,836 "I think I said earlier "that I was gonna tell you the truth. "This is part of it. 744 00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,219 "I was unqualified for the job. 745 00:59:11,344 --> 00:59:15,081 "I was in deep waters and fast-flowing ones at that. 746 00:59:16,482 --> 00:59:19,619 The currents could change at any time without warning." 747 00:59:21,688 --> 00:59:25,500 "Like a lot of travelers, I started to turn inward "from the view out the window, 748 00:59:25,625 --> 00:59:30,229 "started to see what was going on out there through an ever-narrowing lens." 749 00:59:32,332 --> 00:59:36,511 It is written that I should be loyal to the nightmare of my choice. 750 00:59:36,636 --> 00:59:39,472 I think I now understand what that means. 751 00:59:44,510 --> 00:59:49,657 You want to be my pilot? �Yeah. �I don't see what the problem is. 752 00:59:49,782 --> 00:59:51,782 Weather looks fine to me. 753 00:59:53,586 --> 00:59:55,755 I'm sure we'll be fine. 754 00:59:57,924 --> 01:00:03,571 Wow. Nice. �Security situation good, weather not so good. 755 01:00:03,696 --> 01:00:05,440 Are you frightened, by the way? 756 01:00:05,565 --> 01:00:09,867 Yeah, look at him. Look at him. He's scared shitless. �I don't like flying. 757 01:00:16,476 --> 01:00:20,455 I think that the Congo was, without question, 758 01:00:20,580 --> 01:00:24,158 the most dangerous place we ever made the show. 759 01:00:24,283 --> 01:00:26,327 It was something that couldn't be done. 760 01:00:26,452 --> 01:00:28,596 That was a big part of it, and we're always gonna figure out 761 01:00:28,721 --> 01:00:31,524 a way to do something that couldn't be done. 762 01:00:32,592 --> 01:00:38,306 Everyone gets everything he wants. �I wanted to see the Congo. 763 01:00:38,431 --> 01:00:41,334 And for my sins, they let me. 764 01:00:42,468 --> 01:00:48,516 This is a place I read about as a boy. �In Heart of Darkness, Conrad described it as 765 01:00:48,641 --> 01:00:50,652 a twisting snake with its head in the Atlantic Ocean 766 01:00:50,777 --> 01:00:54,480 and its tail buried deep in Africa's heart. 767 01:00:55,348 --> 01:00:58,459 Congo was a fulfillment of an enormous dream. 768 01:00:58,584 --> 01:01:03,189 In our little fantasy, we were having our Apocalypse Now moment. 769 01:01:03,923 --> 01:01:09,529 We've rented a trusty vessel, and I shall dub thee the Captain Willard. 770 01:01:12,565 --> 01:01:14,475 Tony was finding ways 771 01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:18,680 to push himself towards his not just understanding of the world 772 01:01:18,805 --> 01:01:25,186 but understanding of himself. �Are you an assassin? �I'm a soldier. 773 01:01:25,311 --> 01:01:31,826 It's like, which character is he in that film? �They say my methods are unsound. 774 01:01:31,951 --> 01:01:34,520 Are my methods unsound? 775 01:01:35,421 --> 01:01:39,634 Do you think my methods are unsound? �I haven't seen any method at all, Colonel. 776 01:01:39,759 --> 01:01:45,707 In Congo, he got to be someone who has pushed himself into the lunacy of a world 777 01:01:45,832 --> 01:01:51,779 without law, without order, without structure. He got to stand there 778 01:01:51,904 --> 01:01:55,842 with a three-foot machete and direct the assassination of chickens. 779 01:02:01,581 --> 01:02:04,692 When you get really deep into travel, 780 01:02:04,817 --> 01:02:06,427 I think there's an itch that you want to scratch 781 01:02:06,552 --> 01:02:11,524 that is out on the edge of that envelope, where chaos rules. 782 01:02:12,658 --> 01:02:17,405 Because it strips away all of the functional artifice of 783 01:02:17,530 --> 01:02:24,003 how we go through our life, and it leaves you with just the sensory experience. 784 01:02:47,094 --> 01:02:50,405 Anthony Bourdain, the renowned chef and best-selling author, 785 01:02:50,530 --> 01:02:54,876 has a new program, Parts Unknown, and it showcases Bourdain's gift 786 01:02:55,001 --> 01:03:00,916 for finding the essence of a country or a culture. �Is it about the journalism, 787 01:03:01,041 --> 01:03:05,319 or is it about the tourism? �Is it about the people? Is it about the food? 788 01:03:05,444 --> 01:03:08,589 It's a strange combination of food, politics 789 01:03:08,714 --> 01:03:10,858 and a decisively personal point of view. 790 01:03:10,983 --> 01:03:13,761 His reports from Israel, the Palestinian territories, 791 01:03:13,886 --> 01:03:18,566 Mexico and Lyon, France, were simply superb. He's traveled roughly 792 01:03:18,691 --> 01:03:24,006 662.000 miles... around the globe 793 01:03:24,131 --> 01:03:28,977 26 times. �Uh, you know, I actually went to Tangier because you had gone there. 794 01:03:29,102 --> 01:03:31,102 And you've had a big impact on me. 795 01:03:32,471 --> 01:03:34,582 Tony was very aware 796 01:03:34,707 --> 01:03:41,056 of his own ability to promote other people's voices. �But I do think that, 797 01:03:41,181 --> 01:03:45,760 even though we moved to CNN, he won a Peabody and several Emmys, 798 01:03:45,885 --> 01:03:50,623 he began to question who was benefiting from these shows. 799 01:04:03,502 --> 01:04:06,380 Okay, so we're just gonna set up a shot with the TV. 800 01:04:06,505 --> 01:04:10,910 Me laying on the bed, watching CNN. �Okay. -Libya news. 801 01:04:13,779 --> 01:04:18,526 This is CNN. �It is Friday, January the 25th. �I'm Kristie Lu Stout. This is... 802 01:04:18,651 --> 01:04:24,398 I'm not a news fan. �I'm not a journalist. �I'm not an advocate. I'm not an educator. 803 01:04:24,523 --> 01:04:28,836 I'm not looking to inspire or, uh... �I don't have a political agenda. 804 01:04:28,961 --> 01:04:30,705 If anything, I like very much going to a place 805 01:04:30,830 --> 01:04:35,066 thinking one thing and being completely wrong about all of it. 806 01:04:45,145 --> 01:04:50,981 He was a journalist and he was political, but he was a storyteller. 807 01:04:51,817 --> 01:04:56,689 And he didn't realize, I think, how political he was. 808 01:04:59,092 --> 01:05:04,605 We tend to see places in the Middle East and Africa in particular... 809 01:05:04,730 --> 01:05:07,566 we only see them when bad things happen. 810 01:05:11,637 --> 01:05:13,881 If you just follow the news, you'll be reminded about 811 01:05:14,006 --> 01:05:17,019 kidnappings in Algeria, unrest in Tunisia, 812 01:05:17,144 --> 01:05:20,923 terrorist cells to the south, deadly riots in Egypt, 813 01:05:21,048 --> 01:05:26,752 and of course Islamic extremist attacks in Benghazi that killed the U.S. ambassador. 814 01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:31,666 All those things are very real concerns. 815 01:05:31,791 --> 01:05:33,868 But if you only look at what's on the news, 816 01:05:33,993 --> 01:05:37,097 you can miss maybe what's a bigger picture. 817 01:05:53,779 --> 01:05:58,893 You can literally see it as he goes and travels more and more and more. 818 01:05:59,018 --> 01:06:02,998 It was almost never about food, you know? �I think it was about Tony 819 01:06:03,123 --> 01:06:05,558 learning how to be a better person. 820 01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:14,475 You know, I try to emulate Christ in small ways every day. �You do? �Yeah. 821 01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:19,047 Can't you tell? �And I mean that in a, in a completely non-disrespectful way. 822 01:06:19,172 --> 01:06:23,218 No, no, I can imagine. �I mean, you're trying. 823 01:06:23,343 --> 01:06:27,055 You are inspiring so many people with the show. �You have a good karma. 824 01:06:27,180 --> 01:06:32,183 Can't believe you say that. �Yeah. -Good karma? �I think so. 825 01:06:32,885 --> 01:06:34,885 Well... 826 01:06:35,855 --> 01:06:39,201 Doesn't this concern you... -This is a good karma. ...as a Buddhist? 827 01:06:39,326 --> 01:06:42,603 Look we're sitting here in Provence. -Yeah. �So? -Wait a minute. 828 01:06:42,728 --> 01:06:44,006 We just had this fantastic meal. -Yeah. 829 01:06:44,131 --> 01:06:47,842 We're moving on to the 2011 after the 2010. 830 01:06:47,967 --> 01:06:51,445 Life, admittedly for you, has been pretty sweet. �Yeah. 831 01:06:51,570 --> 01:06:53,982 Isn't that worrying to you? -No. 832 01:06:54,107 --> 01:06:55,883 We're sitting in Provence. It's like a wine label. 833 01:06:56,008 --> 01:07:00,621 The next life cannot possibly be better than this. �It's probably gonna suck. 834 01:07:00,746 --> 01:07:05,726 Enjoy every minute of this now, Eric. �And pray. �Pray, pray that this is it, 835 01:07:05,851 --> 01:07:09,697 because if you're right and there is a next life, we are fucked, my friend. 836 01:07:09,822 --> 01:07:14,568 I may come back as a sea cucumber, but you're coming back as, like, a Yorkie. 837 01:07:14,693 --> 01:07:19,041 Or, you know, if you're lucky. �I'll take the Yorkie. 838 01:07:19,166 --> 01:07:23,979 At the end of the day, Tony's dark as fuck, man. �Give you an example. 839 01:07:24,104 --> 01:07:26,580 Like, everyone asked Tony's fucking favorite music, 840 01:07:26,705 --> 01:07:28,816 and he would always give the same bullshit answers, 841 01:07:28,941 --> 01:07:32,653 like, uh, uh, "96 Mysterios" or that fucking song. 842 01:07:32,778 --> 01:07:37,692 He loved that song. -"96 Tears." "96 Tears." �And he loved, um, "Super Fly" 843 01:07:37,817 --> 01:07:43,722 and, um, and Curtis Mayfield's soundtrack. �There's no downers in the fucking bunch. 844 01:07:45,024 --> 01:07:49,929 This was what Tony told me was his favorite song. 845 01:07:59,239 --> 01:08:01,239 He loved this fucking song. 846 01:08:19,426 --> 01:08:23,263 It's a great song. �But it's heroin music. 847 01:08:30,403 --> 01:08:33,614 In the early '70s, this is where I lived. 848 01:08:33,739 --> 01:08:37,752 You know, back then, if you brought us heroin, we would've said, "Ah, cool. 849 01:08:37,877 --> 01:08:40,088 I'll totally... I would like to try some of that." 850 01:08:40,213 --> 01:08:43,325 It wasn't like I fell into it or accidentally got addicted 851 01:08:43,450 --> 01:08:47,254 or, you know, "Oh, really, it's addicting? �Gee, how'd that happen?" No, I knew. 852 01:08:48,121 --> 01:08:51,766 He never really dealt with the insecurity and all the issues 853 01:08:51,891 --> 01:08:54,827 that put him down that road to begin with. 854 01:08:56,396 --> 01:08:59,107 You know, it's a lot easier when you talk to Choe about this, 855 01:08:59,232 --> 01:09:03,111 'cause, like, that motherfucker is so dark. ? Flying over my head... ? 856 01:09:03,236 --> 01:09:07,315 People forget Anthony Bourdain was a junkie. �Like, he's a drug addict, 857 01:09:07,440 --> 01:09:10,874 and I'm also a junkie. �I don't do drugs, but I do everything else. 858 01:09:11,777 --> 01:09:15,323 Overeaters Anonymous, Debtors Anonymous, Gamblers Anonymous, Sex Addicts Anonymous, 859 01:09:15,448 --> 01:09:18,893 Sex and Love Addicts Anonymous. �Uh, I-I go to all the meetings. 860 01:09:19,018 --> 01:09:24,698 I'll tell you something really shameful about myself. �The first time I shot up, 861 01:09:24,823 --> 01:09:26,968 I looked at myself in the mirror with a big grin. 862 01:09:27,093 --> 01:09:29,905 You know, something was missing in me. 863 01:09:30,030 --> 01:09:31,973 Some part of me wanted to be a dope fiend. 864 01:09:32,098 --> 01:09:36,111 My whole life was leading up to that point. In my mind, 865 01:09:36,236 --> 01:09:40,839 it was my first step towards being an artist. 866 01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:43,784 Do you think a-a certain level of dissatisfaction 867 01:09:43,909 --> 01:09:46,955 or unhappiness is an integral part of the creative process? 868 01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:48,856 I think even great art can be created 869 01:09:48,981 --> 01:09:52,260 when you're happy, but I think the best art in the universe 870 01:09:52,385 --> 01:09:59,367 is created through intense suffering. �So then, do you put yourself in a situation 871 01:09:59,492 --> 01:10:02,128 where you're constantly in pain? 872 01:10:03,396 --> 01:10:07,708 And the answer to that question is yes. �That's just about everybody I know. 873 01:10:07,833 --> 01:10:09,969 I don't know what this says about me. 874 01:10:13,139 --> 01:10:16,218 I think it was one of the first conversations I ever had with him. 875 01:10:16,343 --> 01:10:20,021 I was like, "Hey, I know I'm just meeting you, "but I-I don't know one heroin addict 876 01:10:20,146 --> 01:10:25,151 "that has quit cold turkey besides you. �Tell me how you did it." 877 01:10:26,386 --> 01:10:32,400 I got through, but, you know, my case, it was like �I looked in a mirror and I... 878 01:10:32,525 --> 01:10:34,902 I saw somebody worth saving, um, 879 01:10:35,027 --> 01:10:40,741 or that I wanted to at least try real hard and save. �Um... 880 01:10:40,866 --> 01:10:45,436 you know, nobody... nobody saved me. 881 01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:48,974 And he goes, "You just work." 882 01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:53,989 When he told me that, I bought into it when I first met him. 883 01:10:54,114 --> 01:10:59,327 And then as I got to know him more, I realized it jumped. 884 01:10:59,452 --> 01:11:01,452 The addiction jumped. 885 01:11:08,228 --> 01:11:14,234 When he threw himself into something, he threw himself completely. 886 01:11:15,368 --> 01:11:18,812 Jujitsu was a good one because he got super healthy. 887 01:11:18,937 --> 01:11:24,342 He looked great. He stopped smoking. �He felt energized. �He felt powerful. 888 01:11:24,910 --> 01:11:30,091 Oh. �Abort. I started at 58. 889 01:11:30,216 --> 01:11:33,794 My wife is a fairly high-level competitor and, uh, trains every... 890 01:11:33,919 --> 01:11:38,366 Higher level than you are? �W-Way, way beyond where I'll ever be. -Yeah. 891 01:11:38,491 --> 01:11:43,430 Ottavia wanted to be able to kill anyone who came at their daughter. 892 01:11:45,998 --> 01:11:48,009 So that's where the initial jujitsu interest 893 01:11:48,134 --> 01:11:51,379 in that family came from, and it was a good thing for Tony 894 01:11:51,504 --> 01:11:53,504 to be obsessed with for a while. 895 01:11:54,441 --> 01:11:57,385 There is this aspect of problem-solving 896 01:11:57,510 --> 01:12:03,058 under pressure that it was really appealing to him. �Step over! 897 01:12:03,183 --> 01:12:06,127 But anyone who gets into jujitsu becomes, like, impossible to be around. 898 01:12:06,252 --> 01:12:12,100 I know because... from experience. At a certain point, you're like, 899 01:12:12,225 --> 01:12:14,868 "Dude, come on, stop talking about fucking jujitsu." 900 01:12:14,993 --> 01:12:19,074 I don't know anything about jujitsu. �Like, I can't have this conversation, 901 01:12:19,199 --> 01:12:23,969 and yet I'm on like hour 150 talking to you about jujitsu. 902 01:12:25,271 --> 01:12:31,544 I mean, his attention and focus was so strong, but there was always a timeline. 903 01:12:32,512 --> 01:12:37,025 I don't think there was anything that would have lasted forever in his world. 904 01:12:37,150 --> 01:12:40,587 No person, place, thing, interest. 905 01:12:42,122 --> 01:12:45,991 I have to show you first. �Can-can I show you once? Okay. 906 01:12:47,127 --> 01:12:49,127 Then you skip one and you go down. 907 01:12:50,028 --> 01:12:54,532 Then you skip one and you go down. �Then you come back up and... 908 01:12:56,035 --> 01:12:59,314 It always seemed like what he wanted was, 909 01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:03,851 you know, this, uh, idyllic picture of, like, you know, 910 01:13:03,976 --> 01:13:09,057 a family and ordinary life. �No. -Come on, you were doing it... 911 01:13:09,182 --> 01:13:15,497 But then when he got it, I don't know if it was... 912 01:13:15,622 --> 01:13:21,361 I don't know. �Yeah. �After a while, maybe that wasn't enough anymore. 913 01:13:25,165 --> 01:13:29,911 You devoted your book to family. �Yep. �The joys of being normal. 914 01:13:30,036 --> 01:13:32,614 And now you've-you've split. �Yep. -So I just, like... 915 01:13:32,739 --> 01:13:34,482 are you rethinking about being normal 916 01:13:34,607 --> 01:13:36,384 or where's your... -Well, I mean, what is normal? 917 01:13:36,509 --> 01:13:38,920 I think, you know, what does the American family look like? 918 01:13:39,045 --> 01:13:44,484 I mean, I travel 250 days a year. �You know, how normal could I ever hope to be? 919 01:13:54,761 --> 01:14:01,576 Tony and I had been pretty much living separate under the same roof for... 920 01:14:01,701 --> 01:14:03,701 for quite some time. 921 01:14:06,706 --> 01:14:10,652 You know, even if we didn't work out as a married couple, you know, 922 01:14:10,777 --> 01:14:15,114 we're still really good friends and our focus was Ariane. 923 01:14:17,817 --> 01:14:21,663 That romantic love kind of dissipated 924 01:14:21,788 --> 01:14:27,525 after he started traveling so intensely, and then we couldn't follow him. 925 01:14:34,834 --> 01:14:39,537 It flowers once every five years. �That's all. 926 01:14:40,173 --> 01:14:44,177 I'll be back before it flowers again. 927 01:14:45,111 --> 01:14:47,111 Cross my heart. 928 01:14:52,352 --> 01:14:56,431 He was devastated. �He was losing his home base. 929 01:14:56,556 --> 01:15:00,627 And it left him incredibly vulnerable. 930 01:15:08,635 --> 01:15:13,982 I think Tony did blame himself. �And I think it also left him wondering 931 01:15:14,107 --> 01:15:16,409 whether or not he was lovable. 932 01:15:25,718 --> 01:15:27,529 Is it worse to be someplace awful 933 01:15:27,654 --> 01:15:32,133 when you're by yourself or someplace really nice 934 01:15:32,258 --> 01:15:34,294 that you can't share with anyone? 935 01:15:40,199 --> 01:15:43,578 I mean, I have an email that he sent me that-that haunts me 936 01:15:43,703 --> 01:15:48,606 that was just straight-up... you know, out of the blue. 937 01:15:49,609 --> 01:15:54,255 "David, this is a crazy thing to ask..." "...but I'm curious 938 01:15:54,380 --> 01:15:57,350 and my life is sort of shit now." 939 01:15:58,518 --> 01:16:04,699 "You are successful and I am successful. "And I'm wondering: 940 01:16:04,824 --> 01:16:06,824 are you happy?" 941 01:16:14,267 --> 01:16:18,246 I know how hard that must've been for him to even write that email. 942 01:16:18,371 --> 01:16:21,906 To-to reach out to someone and be like, "Hey, man, I'm not doing well." 943 01:16:32,518 --> 01:16:37,290 The era of his life with his child and Ottavia... 944 01:16:38,424 --> 01:16:42,195 ...I think it was sort of an interruption of his trajectory. 945 01:16:48,434 --> 01:16:52,680 Did he change course in the last two years? �No, he got back on track, 946 01:16:52,805 --> 01:16:55,241 which was not the greatest track. 947 01:16:57,944 --> 01:17:04,259 Hi, Tony. How are you? �I'm all right. Here? �Outstanding. Good. �That's awesome. 948 01:17:04,384 --> 01:17:09,697 I even brought a note... �I took notes. �I was thinking of all my... 949 01:17:09,822 --> 01:17:12,425 all of my ailments and problems. 950 01:17:13,726 --> 01:17:19,807 I haven't done this since �I was, um... uh, I was a teenager. 951 01:17:19,932 --> 01:17:21,376 My parents caught me with drugs, 952 01:17:21,501 --> 01:17:26,372 and as part of the deal, I saw a therapist briefly. 953 01:17:27,473 --> 01:17:32,854 And what did you feel about it? �It's-it's exhausting. �I mean, I do tend to have 954 01:17:32,979 --> 01:17:37,225 a sort of a manic personality. �Everything is going really, really great 955 01:17:37,350 --> 01:17:41,362 or it's not going great. �It can happen at any time. It's a random thing. 956 01:17:41,487 --> 01:17:44,465 One minute, I'm okay, everything's going all right, 957 01:17:44,590 --> 01:17:46,501 and then suddenly it's... one little thing 958 01:17:46,626 --> 01:17:49,237 just sort of sets me off, and then I find myself, 959 01:17:49,362 --> 01:17:52,173 uh, you know, increasingly, uh, thinking... 960 01:17:52,298 --> 01:17:54,576 I do, I do, I do, I think about, like, 961 01:17:54,701 --> 01:17:58,646 momentary fantasies of harming other people or myself. 962 01:17:58,771 --> 01:18:02,750 Like I want to kill somebody or choke them or break their arms. 963 01:18:02,875 --> 01:18:07,455 Uh, I think about that a lot. �I'd like to be happier. 964 01:18:07,580 --> 01:18:11,292 I'd like to be able to be calmer. �I'd like to be able to relax. 965 01:18:11,417 --> 01:18:16,164 I'd like to be able to, you know, look out the window and say, "Yay, life is good." 966 01:18:16,289 --> 01:18:18,458 And you don't? -No. 967 01:18:20,626 --> 01:18:22,829 Never? 968 01:18:24,330 --> 01:18:29,243 Uh, maybe a few seconds here and there. �There is a line 969 01:18:29,368 --> 01:18:35,683 during your life of loneliness or-or feeling like "I want to kill somebody." 970 01:18:35,808 --> 01:18:39,922 I think that maybe you should start thinking, 971 01:18:40,047 --> 01:18:43,649 "Do you really want to change anything?" 972 01:18:50,456 --> 01:18:54,660 Do you really want to-to change the way you feel? 973 01:18:58,798 --> 01:19:00,800 I suspect it's too late. 974 01:19:06,005 --> 01:19:09,985 ? I can settle down ? 975 01:19:10,110 --> 01:19:14,422 ? And be doing just fine ? 976 01:19:14,547 --> 01:19:19,427 ? Till I hear an old train... ? �I love this car. 977 01:19:19,552 --> 01:19:23,698 I'm having car envy. We were both, like, 978 01:19:23,823 --> 01:19:26,726 constantly talking about that movie Vanishing Point. 979 01:19:27,860 --> 01:19:30,438 He liked fast cars, as well. �I love fast cars. 980 01:19:30,563 --> 01:19:35,601 And then we became pen pals really for years and, um, talked about everything. 981 01:19:38,404 --> 01:19:42,517 His whole entire personality was that of a searcher. 982 01:19:42,642 --> 01:19:46,754 I just know that he was definitely searching for something, and-and... 983 01:19:46,879 --> 01:19:50,858 ? But you gotta understand ? ...it was kind of agony for him. 984 01:19:50,983 --> 01:19:55,596 ? When the Lord made me ? 985 01:19:55,721 --> 01:20:01,736 ? He made a ramblin' man... ? It's this relentless instinct 986 01:20:01,861 --> 01:20:05,606 to fuck up a good thing. �I think it's something that people on TV, 987 01:20:05,731 --> 01:20:08,876 people who write, people who cook, share. 988 01:20:09,001 --> 01:20:12,447 This difficulty in giving love and receiving love... 989 01:20:12,572 --> 01:20:15,708 they just don't quite know how to do it. 990 01:20:16,709 --> 01:20:21,914 A lot of people loved him a lot. �I don't know if he believed it. 991 01:20:24,051 --> 01:20:27,862 So, what do you think? �I mean, in a metaphysical way, 992 01:20:27,987 --> 01:20:31,899 when you look back on your life... -Yeah. ...for me, I always feel 993 01:20:32,024 --> 01:20:35,703 this little unease, like, you know... �You feel you haven't suffered enough yet 994 01:20:35,828 --> 01:20:38,539 or you haven't done enough... -How the fuck did this happen? �Or yeah. -You know? 995 01:20:38,664 --> 01:20:42,343 How-How'd this happen, you know? -No. �No, I know. �I'm still curious. 996 01:20:42,468 --> 01:20:45,780 You seem like a curious person. �It's my only virtue. -You're... There you go. 997 01:20:45,905 --> 01:20:48,973 All right. �Curious is a good thing to be. 998 01:20:50,043 --> 01:20:54,511 Given your life... what thrills you? 999 01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:57,425 What just thrills the shit out of you now? 1000 01:20:57,550 --> 01:21:01,662 Uh, this is very embarrassing, but... It's really embar... 1001 01:21:01,787 --> 01:21:08,461 Being loved and actually appreciating the people that are giving that to me. 1002 01:21:18,238 --> 01:21:20,949 Whenever you guys are ready, the cameras are rolling. -All right. 1003 01:21:21,074 --> 01:21:23,074 We're ready to go. 1004 01:21:25,078 --> 01:21:28,589 All right, you're up? �So, uh, where are we? 1005 01:21:28,714 --> 01:21:30,125 But don't mention the name of the place. 1006 01:21:30,250 --> 01:21:31,826 I mean, turning the napkin over... -No. Why? 1007 01:21:31,951 --> 01:21:34,695 Well, we don't... you don't want to blow this place up. �I don't give a shit. 1008 01:21:34,820 --> 01:21:38,000 I mean, you've been eating here for how long? �Since I was a, since I was a kid. 1009 01:21:38,125 --> 01:21:42,570 So you would come in here and see nothing but Americans? �Nothing but? 1010 01:21:42,695 --> 01:21:45,473 Nothing but? -Well, yeah. �I mean, just an army of... -Well, yes, 1011 01:21:45,598 --> 01:21:50,511 so nobody busts my balls. �Okay, then. We are at the... �So, giving up on that. 1012 01:21:50,636 --> 01:21:56,985 Okay. There we go. �H-How many generations of filmmakers in your family? �Mm, a lot. 1013 01:21:57,110 --> 01:22:00,621 Cheers. When Tony met Asia, he's like, 1014 01:22:00,746 --> 01:22:02,723 "She's the best. Oh, my God, she's so great." 1015 01:22:02,848 --> 01:22:05,526 You know, and, like, when you were in high school 1016 01:22:05,651 --> 01:22:07,461 and you got laid for the first time or something. 1017 01:22:07,586 --> 01:22:11,133 You know, I'm happiest when life is kind of like a film. 1018 01:22:11,258 --> 01:22:17,505 So, y-you're happy in the illusion. 'Cause film is an illusion. -Yes. �Yeah, I am. 1019 01:22:17,630 --> 01:22:19,999 No, me, too. I-I understand you. 1020 01:22:21,268 --> 01:22:24,003 He seemed really happy with her. 1021 01:22:26,005 --> 01:22:29,985 You know, I was like, well, he found someone he wants to be with. 1022 01:22:30,110 --> 01:22:32,110 You know, I'm happy for him. 1023 01:22:33,713 --> 01:22:35,890 He told me that she was very insecure 1024 01:22:36,015 --> 01:22:39,194 about their relationship, so he just asked me 1025 01:22:39,319 --> 01:22:45,633 to stop posting pictures of us on social media. �And-and I think he really thought 1026 01:22:45,758 --> 01:22:51,597 he was doing the right thing to make sure that the person he loved felt secure. 1027 01:22:52,631 --> 01:22:55,710 Is that a normal urge? �For humans? -I want to be normal? 1028 01:22:55,835 --> 01:22:59,081 I want to be like everybody else? �I kind of wanted to be like everybody else 1029 01:22:59,206 --> 01:23:02,117 when I was a kid, at least for a while. �I-I didn't understand why I couldn't be. 1030 01:23:02,242 --> 01:23:05,887 I think people are happier when they feel like they belong somewhere. 1031 01:23:06,012 --> 01:23:10,716 I just, I-I... -That's why I'm never happy because I feel I never belong. 1032 01:23:15,821 --> 01:23:19,067 I knew who she was, but he never would use her name. 1033 01:23:19,192 --> 01:23:23,205 He would say "crazy Italian actress" in all the emails. 1034 01:23:23,330 --> 01:23:25,640 All I know is that he wrote to me a few times 1035 01:23:25,765 --> 01:23:30,536 and said that it was gonna end very, very badly, and that was way back. 1036 01:23:31,138 --> 01:23:34,738 Um, he knew it. �Oh! 1037 01:23:38,744 --> 01:23:40,744 I bring you to the best places. 1038 01:23:41,981 --> 01:23:48,130 Fuck Michelin. �Michelin? His last relationship, 1039 01:23:48,255 --> 01:23:52,359 I guess when you look at it, it's not that surprising. 1040 01:23:55,295 --> 01:24:00,100 In many ways, it feels elliptical from the-the very beginning. 1041 01:24:02,369 --> 01:24:06,814 Now, some of you might ask, "How is this food-related?" Fuck if I know. 1042 01:24:06,939 --> 01:24:08,816 I guess if I crushed my skull on a rock, 1043 01:24:08,941 --> 01:24:11,811 parts of me will become part of the food chain. 1044 01:24:13,979 --> 01:24:19,585 It was one that had, at its center, um, extremes. 1045 01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:25,092 It's as if he can't feel in the mid-zone. 1046 01:24:28,861 --> 01:24:32,598 You know, life is about finding a cliff worth jumping off. 1047 01:24:34,067 --> 01:24:38,171 I felt he was like, "I'm gonna look for something feral and wild." 1048 01:24:40,739 --> 01:24:42,550 Perhaps that is something to do with age 1049 01:24:42,675 --> 01:24:44,844 and all of a sudden finding yourself alone. 1050 01:24:51,318 --> 01:24:56,764 This is called, um... �Are you guys up? -Why are you filming me? �This is called 1051 01:24:56,889 --> 01:25:00,035 "Our Wolf Lady of the Wolf Flowers." �Ah, that's great. 1052 01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:04,638 You know, I have a-a John Lurie over my bed. I saw. No, you posted it. 1053 01:25:04,763 --> 01:25:09,244 That was nice that you posted that. �No, I love it. It makes me very, very happy. 1054 01:25:09,369 --> 01:25:11,971 Does it? -Yes, it does. 1055 01:25:13,473 --> 01:25:15,917 So he had a dark sense of humor. 1056 01:25:16,042 --> 01:25:18,353 He wasn't Edgar Allan Poe. You know what I mean? He... 1057 01:25:18,478 --> 01:25:22,656 There was a lot of light around him. �There really was. �Bring another one. 1058 01:25:22,781 --> 01:25:24,792 No. I mean, especially, like, I'm away and I come back 1059 01:25:24,917 --> 01:25:26,761 and I walk into my room... -There it is, yeah, yeah. 1060 01:25:26,886 --> 01:25:29,730 I-It feels... the room vibrates at a frequency 1061 01:25:29,855 --> 01:25:34,192 that makes me comfortable and-and happy. �That's cool. 1062 01:25:39,765 --> 01:25:43,677 Thank you. Eggs, the perfect food. �Thank you, sir. -Eat that. 1063 01:25:43,802 --> 01:25:47,815 We were supposed to have lunch. �And I said, "I want to go somewhere quiet 1064 01:25:47,940 --> 01:25:51,353 where nobody knows us." �And he just sort of stopped in his tracks and said, 1065 01:25:51,478 --> 01:25:53,480 "I'm becoming agoraphobic." 1066 01:25:56,049 --> 01:25:59,052 And then I saw the pain in his face. 1067 01:26:02,522 --> 01:26:05,733 Maybe he needed some time away from it all to reflect a minute 1068 01:26:05,858 --> 01:26:09,104 and then start again kind of thing, you know? �I don't... 1069 01:26:09,229 --> 01:26:12,098 It seemed like he was about to go on to something else. 1070 01:26:17,237 --> 01:26:21,882 His life started to feel smaller and smaller. �He couldn't go as many places. 1071 01:26:22,007 --> 01:26:27,247 He couldn't be out in public as much. �I could see him whittle away. 1072 01:26:30,015 --> 01:26:32,260 So, places like the empty quarter 1073 01:26:32,385 --> 01:26:36,797 of the Arabian Desert started to really resonate for him. 1074 01:26:36,922 --> 01:26:40,668 To just sit on the edge of 1075 01:26:40,793 --> 01:26:46,233 the largest sand desert in the world and stare out into it... 1076 01:26:47,500 --> 01:26:53,273 ...feeling like it's something that's bigger than him and not about him. 1077 01:26:55,874 --> 01:26:59,921 He often talked about how, in an ideal world, he wouldn't be in the show. 1078 01:27:00,046 --> 01:27:04,426 Uh, it would be his point of view, like a camera moving through space, 1079 01:27:04,551 --> 01:27:07,420 without having to see him at all. 1080 01:27:24,903 --> 01:27:30,185 "Travel isn't always pretty. "You go away. You learn. 1081 01:27:30,310 --> 01:27:33,979 "You get scarred, marked, changed in the process. 1082 01:27:36,449 --> 01:27:38,449 It even breaks your heart." 1083 01:28:03,043 --> 01:28:07,880 He was very stressed and very weary and very exhausted. 1084 01:28:09,549 --> 01:28:14,220 He did talk about quitting. �It happened like a couple of years ago. 1085 01:28:15,954 --> 01:28:21,902 He asked to see Chris and I at a bar. �It was very dramatic. 1086 01:28:22,027 --> 01:28:24,973 He was like, "I can't live my life like this anymore." 1087 01:28:25,098 --> 01:28:28,376 "I'm done. I'm done with this. I'm done with you people. 1088 01:28:28,501 --> 01:28:30,111 "Every band comes to an end. 1089 01:28:30,236 --> 01:28:31,980 It's time for us to break up and go our separate ways." 1090 01:28:32,105 --> 01:28:35,083 "You know, I've broken one family. 1091 01:28:35,208 --> 01:28:38,386 "I'm in this other relationship that I care very deeply about 1092 01:28:38,511 --> 01:28:44,526 and I want to make it work." �And Lydia looked at Tony and said, "Then go do it. 1093 01:28:44,651 --> 01:28:50,022 "Go do it. "Don't sit here and talk about it and whine. 1094 01:28:50,989 --> 01:28:55,237 "Get up and go. Leave. "Move to Italy, set up. 1095 01:28:55,362 --> 01:28:58,206 We will support you. We will be your friend. Go." 1096 01:28:58,331 --> 01:29:01,977 "Like, if you're done with this, it's okay." 1097 01:29:02,102 --> 01:29:04,446 I don't know. Maybe he was expecting us to, like, 1098 01:29:04,571 --> 01:29:09,942 grab him and say like, "No, don't go. �It's not over. What can we do?" 1099 01:29:10,577 --> 01:29:12,978 He couldn't move. 1100 01:29:14,414 --> 01:29:16,416 It's really kind of sad. 1101 01:29:17,384 --> 01:29:22,288 It's like, "Then sit the fuck down and let's talk this thing through." 1102 01:29:23,289 --> 01:29:25,833 And we said, "We'll figure out a way to make this thing work, 1103 01:29:25,958 --> 01:29:28,161 you know, so it's good for you." 1104 01:29:33,566 --> 01:29:39,880 Okay. Here we go. "Hong Kong. �To fall in love with Asia..." 1105 01:29:40,005 --> 01:29:44,986 Oof, Asia. "To fall in love with Asia is one thing. 1106 01:29:45,111 --> 01:29:49,190 "To fall in love in Asia is another. "Both have happened to me. 1107 01:29:49,315 --> 01:29:55,163 "It's a gift, a dream, a curse, "the best thing, the happiest thing, 1108 01:29:55,288 --> 01:29:58,266 "yet also the loneliest thing in the world. 1109 01:29:58,391 --> 01:30:03,163 "I've been to Hong Kong many times before, but not like this." 1110 01:30:04,063 --> 01:30:06,941 If I die before I'm 40 years old, 1111 01:30:07,066 --> 01:30:10,945 that shoot probably had something to do with it. At the last second, 1112 01:30:11,070 --> 01:30:14,115 the director gets sick. �I had my gallbladder removed. 1113 01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:15,483 Michael's gallbladder, I swear to God. 1114 01:30:15,608 --> 01:30:20,622 So, obviously I can't go, and then Tony immediately, like, sees an in. 1115 01:30:20,747 --> 01:30:27,562 He gets them to all agree that Asia should direct this. �W-Well, like, okay. 1116 01:30:27,687 --> 01:30:30,198 In-in man... in some ways, on this side, 1117 01:30:30,323 --> 01:30:34,969 this is giving him some kind of, like, intense resurgence 1118 01:30:35,094 --> 01:30:41,476 of, like, creative energy. �And so we-we ran with that. �Asia? -I think... 1119 01:30:41,601 --> 01:30:45,980 Back in one sec. �We're getting too much good stuff... �I know, but... 1120 01:30:46,105 --> 01:30:49,017 ...in too short a period of time. �Let's mo... let's move and-and move. Yeah. 1121 01:30:49,142 --> 01:30:51,519 And w-we're getting too much. �It's like, I mean, 1122 01:30:51,644 --> 01:30:53,154 at this point, it's like, to everybody, I'm thinking, 1123 01:30:53,279 --> 01:30:57,392 "Stop saying so much great stuff." �Oh, my God. -So happy. �Food's ready. 1124 01:30:57,517 --> 01:30:59,517 Asia, the food's ready. 1125 01:31:00,753 --> 01:31:07,435 It seemed like so many years of us shaping and creating this thing, all of a sudden, 1126 01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:12,474 was thrown out the window, and it was just, you know, anything goes. 1127 01:31:12,599 --> 01:31:14,599 So what is your... 1128 01:31:15,735 --> 01:31:20,148 ...what is your hope? �What do you hope will happen to change your situation? 1129 01:31:20,273 --> 01:31:26,654 To-to be honest, um, I'm not big fan of hope. �Um, hope is... �Hold on one second. 1130 01:31:26,779 --> 01:31:30,425 Let me reset. In the middle of this heartfelt scene 1131 01:31:30,550 --> 01:31:33,027 with these two asylum seekers, we're stopping... 1132 01:31:33,152 --> 01:31:36,598 I hold my hand or h-hold the thought? ...and telling them to hold 1133 01:31:36,723 --> 01:31:39,567 their thought and to, like, redo it, as if we're filming a movie or something. 1134 01:31:39,692 --> 01:31:44,631 Uh, add one. -Three. 35 milli... uh, centimeters. 1135 01:31:49,469 --> 01:31:53,448 You know, breaking the natural, heartfelt conversations 1136 01:31:53,573 --> 01:31:59,445 that are not easy conversations to have, he would have never, ever done that. 1137 01:32:01,247 --> 01:32:06,566 Let's go. Ready to go. �I'm sorry, do it again. �You do it again. 1138 01:32:07,620 --> 01:32:09,620 Asia? 1139 01:32:12,492 --> 01:32:17,128 What happened in Hong Kong was... listen. 1140 01:32:19,899 --> 01:32:26,614 We-we were trying to help our friend. �And if that meant... 1141 01:32:26,739 --> 01:32:31,277 um... doing... Yeah. 1142 01:32:37,784 --> 01:32:42,797 Of everything I've done in my life, this was probably the professional highlight. 1143 01:32:42,922 --> 01:32:45,433 Between, uh, Asia Argento as the director 1144 01:32:45,558 --> 01:32:48,102 and Christopher Doyle as the director of photography... 1145 01:32:48,227 --> 01:32:53,232 You're gonna give me a camera? -Hell yeah. ...we really did something special. 1146 01:32:54,500 --> 01:32:57,503 All right, proceed to smoke weed. 1147 01:33:02,709 --> 01:33:04,709 I think I'm happy. 1148 01:33:08,214 --> 01:33:12,917 Why? It's so peaceful? �Yeah. 1149 01:33:13,653 --> 01:33:18,533 This is the best shot in the movie, by the way. �Wow, this is fucking beautiful. 1150 01:33:18,658 --> 01:33:25,131 Wait. �I don't smile a lot on this show, by the way, but I'm smiling now. 1151 01:33:26,232 --> 01:33:32,138 I want to shoot you guys. �So, tell us about your team. 1152 01:33:32,805 --> 01:33:35,608 Zach, 12-year veteran. 1153 01:33:38,344 --> 01:33:42,682 Zach had made Parts Unknown one of the most beautiful shows on television. 1154 01:33:45,785 --> 01:33:52,233 Tony's admiration for Zach was just kind of mind-blowing. �In Hong Kong, 1155 01:33:52,358 --> 01:33:57,205 Zach had a differing opinion from Asia on what they were shooting. 1156 01:33:57,330 --> 01:34:02,568 And despite having a huge history and love and friendship, he was gone. 1157 01:34:03,436 --> 01:34:08,850 When Tony fired Zach, it was a huge red flag, because it was like, 1158 01:34:08,975 --> 01:34:15,723 if he's gonna do that to someone like him, �I mean, anyone on the inner circle is 1159 01:34:15,848 --> 01:34:19,252 essentially, you know, disposable. 1160 01:34:21,245 --> 01:34:23,413 She's gonna take over your life, you know. 1161 01:34:24,706 --> 01:34:26,706 She thinks. 1162 01:34:27,926 --> 01:34:31,004 She's a woman who is like me who needs to work. 1163 01:34:31,964 --> 01:34:35,509 You're both as fucked up as each other. Come on, it's all good. We know. 1164 01:34:36,602 --> 01:34:38,805 Cheers. 1165 01:34:41,708 --> 01:34:46,922 There was a very sort of manic nature to what was going on in that last year, 1166 01:34:47,047 --> 01:34:50,224 where the highs were very, very high. 1167 01:34:50,349 --> 01:34:55,189 And the lows were very ugly. 1168 01:35:00,893 --> 01:35:03,905 He was not the same person. 1169 01:35:04,030 --> 01:35:08,443 Something changed and became really heavy. 1170 01:35:08,568 --> 01:35:15,183 But he started going to therapy at a certain point, and I thought, 1171 01:35:15,308 --> 01:35:18,353 "I can take a step back. "I don't have to be, like, you know, 1172 01:35:18,478 --> 01:35:22,780 always so, uh, worried about him." �And, uh... 1173 01:35:26,586 --> 01:35:31,824 And I feel like that's something that I will always, you know, felt like... 1174 01:35:32,925 --> 01:35:36,896 ...I should have kept an eye on him more, you know? 1175 01:35:56,924 --> 01:35:58,924 He's sittin' there like crying. 1176 01:36:01,687 --> 01:36:05,333 He came by less and less. 1177 01:36:05,458 --> 01:36:08,895 And we would see him once a month, if we were lucky. 1178 01:36:11,430 --> 01:36:17,835 You know, he said some shit to me that was really... fucking pissed me off. �Um... 1179 01:36:18,704 --> 01:36:23,576 You know, fuck it. �You know, Tony said I would never be a good dad. 1180 01:36:30,817 --> 01:36:32,817 That fucking hurt. 1181 01:36:37,057 --> 01:36:41,694 And I know he wasn't trying to be mean, but... 1182 01:36:44,131 --> 01:36:48,743 Was he projecting? -Yeah. �Of course he was projecting. 1183 01:36:48,868 --> 01:36:53,506 He did everything he could to be the... a dad. 1184 01:36:55,741 --> 01:36:58,020 I think it broke his heart that he couldn't be 1185 01:36:58,145 --> 01:37:02,548 the fucking dad he thought he could be, the romantic version of a dad. 1186 01:37:04,617 --> 01:37:06,627 He was such a romantic about life, 1187 01:37:06,752 --> 01:37:11,390 about anything, about families, about life as a whole. 1188 01:37:12,625 --> 01:37:16,337 Life was a romantic idea, and reality was never gonna 1189 01:37:16,462 --> 01:37:18,965 live up to exactly how he pictured it. 1190 01:37:21,434 --> 01:37:24,635 He was always gonna sort of set himself up for disappointment. 1191 01:37:33,779 --> 01:37:37,059 Wow. �There's a sense of, um, 1192 01:37:37,184 --> 01:37:43,798 vastness that I'm not used to. �Does this remind you of your cowboy movies? 1193 01:37:43,923 --> 01:37:47,668 Uh, a little bit. -Yeah. �Yes, the lone gunman out for vengeance 1194 01:37:47,793 --> 01:37:50,063 would be riding in a long shot over there. 1195 01:37:51,697 --> 01:37:56,577 At that point, I think he thought his relationship with Asia 1196 01:37:56,702 --> 01:38:01,415 could provide him with an answer. �But anyway... -You're right, you're right. 1197 01:38:01,540 --> 01:38:06,088 You know? His love for her was completely pure and safe 1198 01:38:06,213 --> 01:38:08,756 and helpful and supportive. 1199 01:38:08,881 --> 01:38:12,418 Which is essentially what he was looking for from her. 1200 01:38:13,552 --> 01:38:19,700 And I think that Tony concluded that the way to earn her trust 1201 01:38:19,825 --> 01:38:25,963 was just to go in with his whole heart. �Please welcome Anthony Bourdain! 1202 01:38:30,970 --> 01:38:35,984 One of the more painful and-and �I-I would think interesting journeys 1203 01:38:36,109 --> 01:38:38,419 you've taken on your life happened just very recently 1204 01:38:38,544 --> 01:38:39,887 with regards to the Me Too movement. 1205 01:38:40,012 --> 01:38:42,723 I started speaking about it out of a sense of real rage. 1206 01:38:42,848 --> 01:38:46,661 I mean, I'd like to say that I'm... I-I arrived at... 1207 01:38:46,786 --> 01:38:52,034 I was always enlightened in some way or that I am an activist or virtuous. 1208 01:38:52,159 --> 01:38:55,003 But, in fact, uh, you know, I have to be honest with myself. 1209 01:38:55,128 --> 01:39:00,875 I met one extraordinary woman with an extraordinary and painful story. 1210 01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:03,845 Uh, suddenly it was personal. �I think it surprised a lot of people. 1211 01:39:03,970 --> 01:39:09,517 He had never really wanted to stick himself out there for a cause. 1212 01:39:09,642 --> 01:39:12,578 But Tony was like, "I'm going to make a stand." 1213 01:39:15,014 --> 01:39:18,826 A nuclear bomb is gonna fall on one of my worst enemies. 1214 01:39:18,951 --> 01:39:23,764 Everybody's been defending him, but now he's going fucking down. 1215 01:39:23,889 --> 01:39:26,726 He's going down big-fucking-time. 1216 01:39:27,827 --> 01:39:34,575 In 1997, I was raped by Harvey Weinstein here at Cannes. 1217 01:39:34,700 --> 01:39:37,913 And even tonight, sitting among you, 1218 01:39:38,038 --> 01:39:41,682 there are those who still have to be held accountable 1219 01:39:41,807 --> 01:39:44,677 for their conduct against women. 1220 01:39:45,878 --> 01:39:49,690 Argento later posting this photo on Instagram with her fist in the air, 1221 01:39:49,815 --> 01:39:53,753 the caption in French translated, "The battle of women continues." 1222 01:39:57,890 --> 01:40:02,803 Asia had just come from Cannes. �And then we're in the Uffizi Gallery 1223 01:40:02,928 --> 01:40:06,574 looking at the beheading of Holofernes, which is literally 1224 01:40:06,699 --> 01:40:08,210 the beheading of her rapist, 1225 01:40:08,335 --> 01:40:13,881 and it's happening the day that Weinstein gets arrested. �Weinstein has repeatedly 1226 01:40:14,006 --> 01:40:16,006 denied all allegations. 1227 01:40:18,311 --> 01:40:20,311 It was extraordinary. 1228 01:40:41,901 --> 01:40:47,015 Everybody takes Medusa as the symbol of the evil woman 1229 01:40:47,140 --> 01:40:52,553 with snakes in her head, but, uh, she was, uh, a rape victim. 1230 01:40:52,678 --> 01:40:57,993 And she had to protect herself. �You know, powerful, inconvenient women who 1231 01:40:58,118 --> 01:41:03,999 piss people off are inevitably caricatured as Medusa. �Yeah. 1232 01:41:04,124 --> 01:41:09,962 I'm-I'm next. �I wasn't gonna say it. �It's only a matter of time. -Hmm. 1233 01:41:10,930 --> 01:41:17,212 It's incredible. Me Too! �Our stories are true! �We say Me Too! 1234 01:41:17,337 --> 01:41:20,614 I mean, at first it was, like, very noble of him, you know? 1235 01:41:20,739 --> 01:41:24,719 And it was a good cause. �But then he became... 1236 01:41:24,844 --> 01:41:26,687 yeah, he became obsessed with it. 1237 01:41:26,812 --> 01:41:31,692 You're talking about it in a way that many people wouldn't. To the point where 1238 01:41:31,817 --> 01:41:37,299 if a friend said something five years ago that would maybe... 1239 01:41:37,424 --> 01:41:39,633 might be offensive to the Me Too cause, 1240 01:41:39,758 --> 01:41:45,806 he would just, like, cut them out of his life. �I'm pretty much Ming the Merciless 1241 01:41:45,931 --> 01:41:49,643 on this issue right now. -Right. Friends and creative partners... 1242 01:41:49,768 --> 01:41:54,749 he threw them under the bus without any sort of consultation or anything. 1243 01:41:54,874 --> 01:41:58,811 I mean, there was not much nuance when it got to that point of his life. 1244 01:42:00,779 --> 01:42:06,194 What I saw was him turn what was a lifelong addictive personality 1245 01:42:06,319 --> 01:42:11,158 to another person. And that was extremely dangerous. 1246 01:42:16,028 --> 01:42:18,739 He was acting like a kid who didn't understand 1247 01:42:18,864 --> 01:42:22,944 that you're gonna drive someone away if you just pile on and pile on and pile on. 1248 01:42:23,069 --> 01:42:24,712 Yes. But-but what I... -Really, the top ten 1249 01:42:24,837 --> 01:42:27,949 hottest things you've ever done is park in Rome. 1250 01:42:28,074 --> 01:42:32,354 What, like... she was like, "You could park here now, 1251 01:42:32,479 --> 01:42:35,723 but in an hour you can't park here." -Yeah. "We can get away with this now." 1252 01:42:35,848 --> 01:42:37,392 I thought, "This is the fucking coolest thing." 1253 01:42:37,517 --> 01:42:41,796 He won't stop fucking talking about her ability to park. 1254 01:42:41,921 --> 01:42:44,332 It's like, "You're such a good parker. "Y-You park so well. You park so well. 1255 01:42:44,457 --> 01:42:47,402 You parallel park so well." �And she's like, "Dude, I don't want to be known 1256 01:42:47,527 --> 01:42:53,464 for my parking skills." Like, you can see her pulling back, and he just won't stop. 1257 01:42:58,238 --> 01:43:03,385 We're having so much fun. �Done. �And it was genius, bro. 1258 01:43:03,510 --> 01:43:07,989 I'm telling you, see you at the Oscars, yo. Saying goodbye to him 1259 01:43:08,114 --> 01:43:13,261 is the happiest I felt like I had ever seen him. �Huge hugs. 1260 01:43:13,386 --> 01:43:16,831 He was like, "I love you. "I love working with you. We got years ahead of us. 1261 01:43:16,956 --> 01:43:19,326 I'm looking forward to it." 1262 01:43:31,837 --> 01:43:36,684 You don't want his legacy to come off as, like, somebody who... 1263 01:43:36,809 --> 01:43:40,313 succumbed to, like, this... 1264 01:43:43,516 --> 01:43:45,784 ...darkness. 1265 01:43:47,287 --> 01:43:52,067 That wasn't him. �Like, he created something that was so important. 1266 01:43:52,192 --> 01:43:56,062 And I want... that really needs to be, like... 1267 01:43:57,063 --> 01:44:00,008 That is the legacy of his life. 1268 01:44:00,133 --> 01:44:05,238 Not this stupid bullshit act that he did at the end. 1269 01:44:09,576 --> 01:44:12,911 How do we come to terms with... 1270 01:44:14,214 --> 01:44:18,351 ...what happened? �Hmm. That's something I don't speak about. 1271 01:44:25,091 --> 01:44:29,271 What happened in France. �Um, where to start? 1272 01:44:29,396 --> 01:44:33,408 The kind of scenes that we had and what kind of shoot it was... 1273 01:44:33,533 --> 01:44:38,980 you know, it was, like, Tony and Eric. �Lighthearted, funny. �Um... 1274 01:44:39,105 --> 01:44:44,052 Wow. Wow. �Listen, man. Listen. -And you mocked me. 1275 01:44:44,177 --> 01:44:50,091 We're probably like four days in. �Tony arrives, and he is just... 1276 01:44:50,216 --> 01:44:55,130 palpably sort of like just angry. �And... 1277 01:44:55,255 --> 01:45:00,302 the scene sort of... it takes a dark turn. Uh, they're talking about dying, 1278 01:45:00,427 --> 01:45:06,274 choking on a hot dog or something like that. �He kind of looks back at me, 1279 01:45:06,399 --> 01:45:12,339 and we kind of make eye contact. �In-in my memory now, it's very desperate. 1280 01:45:17,410 --> 01:45:23,849 I called Helen, and this tabloid shit's come out about Asia and this other person. 1281 01:45:26,586 --> 01:45:28,862 Tony goes over to this balcony again, 1282 01:45:28,987 --> 01:45:33,435 looking over this valley, and he's, like, smoking, and he's kind of alone. 1283 01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:38,473 I go out there, and I'm like, "Hey, man, how are you doing? 1284 01:45:38,598 --> 01:45:40,542 "You know, is this just, like... are these just tabloid people, 1285 01:45:40,667 --> 01:45:43,078 "like, fucking with you guys? �Like how, you know... what's happening?" 1286 01:45:43,203 --> 01:45:45,203 And then, like, he pauses... 1287 01:45:46,106 --> 01:45:50,218 ...and he just says, "A little fucking discretion." 1288 01:45:50,343 --> 01:45:55,889 Right? And I was like, "Hey, man, I'm just..." �He's like, "No, man, not you." 1289 01:45:56,014 --> 01:45:57,926 It's like, "I don't want to have to fucking deal 1290 01:45:58,051 --> 01:46:02,455 with this... these fucking..." �You know, he's talking about Asia. 1291 01:46:05,225 --> 01:46:07,102 He didn't even look at me. 1292 01:46:07,227 --> 01:46:09,471 You know, he's just kind of, like, just, you know, smoking 1293 01:46:09,596 --> 01:46:13,133 and just sort of looking out and just like, "Fuck." 1294 01:46:14,033 --> 01:46:18,438 I wish I had said more to him in that moment. 1295 01:46:20,039 --> 01:46:23,918 You know, Tony hasn't been all right for a long time. 1296 01:46:24,043 --> 01:46:28,023 The amount that he joked about the end of his life and... 1297 01:46:28,148 --> 01:46:32,193 he's been chasing that shit forever. �Potato chips are stale. 1298 01:46:32,318 --> 01:46:37,865 So depressed right now, I feel like killing myself. He's a fucking runner. 1299 01:46:37,990 --> 01:46:43,538 I mean, he ran for a long time, but you're not gonna outsmart pain. 1300 01:46:43,663 --> 01:46:46,508 I'm pretty sure that pole will support my body weight. 1301 01:46:46,633 --> 01:46:50,303 What? -If I fucking hang myself. 1302 01:46:52,705 --> 01:46:56,884 I think it pops into a lot of people's heads, and it's just like, 1303 01:46:57,009 --> 01:47:01,623 since he knew how to do it... �I mean, I don't know. 1304 01:47:01,748 --> 01:47:03,958 He's a storyteller for one thing. 1305 01:47:04,083 --> 01:47:07,387 How does a storyteller check out without leaving a note? 1306 01:47:09,021 --> 01:47:15,070 But I think, in some regard, he was gonna write his end, which is what he did. 1307 01:47:15,195 --> 01:47:17,238 If you look at his last Instagram Story, 1308 01:47:17,363 --> 01:47:23,645 he played the title sequence music from this '70s film �Violent City. 1309 01:47:23,770 --> 01:47:26,381 And if you've seen the film, you know that the beginning is 1310 01:47:26,506 --> 01:47:32,654 a series of paparazzi photos of this couple. �I mean, it's a revenge film. 1311 01:47:32,779 --> 01:47:38,783 It's about this woman who betrays him and him seeking revenge. 1312 01:47:54,067 --> 01:47:57,103 I mean, it's-it's all there. 1313 01:47:59,539 --> 01:48:03,218 I'm very cautious to be like, uh, blame the woman for, like, you know... 1314 01:48:03,343 --> 01:48:09,190 or blame the lover or blame the husband. �You know, Tony killed himself. 1315 01:48:09,315 --> 01:48:11,315 Tony did it. 1316 01:48:17,390 --> 01:48:21,302 My brother committed suicide. �I think if somebody else had been in his room, 1317 01:48:21,427 --> 01:48:23,138 it might've been a murder and not a suicide. 1318 01:48:23,263 --> 01:48:27,467 I think he was just in an explosive anger and-and this was the only way out. 1319 01:48:29,202 --> 01:48:33,681 When you choose to hang yourself, it's a torture. 1320 01:48:33,806 --> 01:48:37,243 Self-imposed torture. 1321 01:48:38,811 --> 01:48:42,257 If he was fucking drunk, it'd be a lot easier to understand. 1322 01:48:42,382 --> 01:48:47,195 The toxicology report was he's clean and sober. 1323 01:48:47,320 --> 01:48:50,156 I think it was a clear decision. 1324 01:48:52,191 --> 01:48:56,496 It was a momentary lapse, and I don't think he weighed the pros and cons. 1325 01:48:58,197 --> 01:49:01,167 If he had just made it through that night, you know? 1326 01:49:03,303 --> 01:49:07,215 We're trying so hard to understand, because we think if we can understand it, 1327 01:49:07,340 --> 01:49:11,719 then we'll be okay with it. �And the fact of the matter is, no, 1328 01:49:11,844 --> 01:49:17,748 I don't think we get to know. �We don't get to know. That's tough. 1329 01:49:24,524 --> 01:49:30,472 Well, I don't know where he is right now, but... he let me down. 1330 01:49:30,597 --> 01:49:32,597 He... 1331 01:49:36,269 --> 01:49:41,441 I don't think he was cruel, you know? �And there's, like, a cruelty to that. 1332 01:49:44,210 --> 01:49:46,913 What the hell is everyone supposed to do? 1333 01:50:15,575 --> 01:50:20,555 It's been over two years since he took his own life, 1334 01:50:20,680 --> 01:50:25,816 and I still experience a range of emotions. �Um... 1335 01:50:28,855 --> 01:50:30,855 God. 1336 01:50:37,597 --> 01:50:44,445 It's like... �I haven't fucking cut my hair since he died. �Like, I-I... 1337 01:50:44,570 --> 01:50:50,718 I just miss him. I miss a friend, a dear friend. 1338 01:50:50,843 --> 01:50:57,183 I think about a lot of happy moments we had together. 1339 01:51:00,720 --> 01:51:02,955 Mostly, yeah. 1340 01:51:06,426 --> 01:51:10,438 I was in Vietnam on a beautiful day. 1341 01:51:10,563 --> 01:51:14,742 I looked at my phone, and there was the news. 1342 01:51:14,867 --> 01:51:18,571 And, uh, that's when I decided to move to Vietnam for good. 1343 01:51:19,539 --> 01:51:22,317 That was the... it was not even a thought. 1344 01:51:22,442 --> 01:51:26,354 It was the door opened and I had to go through it 1345 01:51:26,479 --> 01:51:30,750 and start doing something new. 1346 01:51:32,351 --> 01:51:36,731 I was listening to this record that brought me to tears thinking of him. 1347 01:51:36,856 --> 01:51:41,903 And, um, both my kids sort of embraced me. 1348 01:51:42,028 --> 01:51:45,231 My son, he's like, "How did Tony die?" 1349 01:51:47,366 --> 01:51:51,679 And I was like, "Uh, I... we don't know." �Right? 1350 01:51:51,804 --> 01:51:55,416 About 20 seconds pass, and he looked at me and he's like, 1351 01:51:55,541 --> 01:51:57,485 "I really would like to know how Tony died." 1352 01:51:57,610 --> 01:52:01,656 I have this like hour-long conversation about 1353 01:52:01,781 --> 01:52:08,296 Tony to my fucking seven-year-old kid. And I said, "I think Tony, at the end, 1354 01:52:08,421 --> 01:52:13,201 "felt alone and felt he couldn't talk to anybody 1355 01:52:13,326 --> 01:52:16,404 about the pain that was going on inside of him." 1356 01:52:16,529 --> 01:52:20,708 And I said, "You know you always have someone 1357 01:52:20,833 --> 01:52:26,506 to turn to and talk to." �That's the lesson in it for me. 1358 01:52:30,576 --> 01:52:36,591 It's plenty to just say I'm hurt. �I haven't worked for two years now. 1359 01:52:36,716 --> 01:52:41,529 Really close to the end, we talked, and I said, 1360 01:52:41,654 --> 01:52:44,298 "Got to take our girls and lighten the load 1361 01:52:44,423 --> 01:52:48,403 "and show them the world, show them who we are, not just when you come home, but..." 1362 01:52:48,528 --> 01:52:51,697 And-and we were both excited about this prospect. 1363 01:52:58,038 --> 01:53:01,874 Fuck. �One, two, three. 1364 01:53:04,577 --> 01:53:10,658 When I get angry is when I think about leaving behind a brilliant... 1365 01:53:10,783 --> 01:53:12,919 daughter. 1366 01:53:14,587 --> 01:53:16,587 You know. 1367 01:53:17,456 --> 01:53:23,094 He would have loved to be around now, to see her now. �He'd be so proud of her. 1368 01:53:30,070 --> 01:53:36,617 I'm so lucky 'cause she's the best daughter I-I could hope for. 1369 01:53:36,742 --> 01:53:42,882 And I will always be grateful that, you know, Tony gave her to me, you know? 1370 01:53:47,620 --> 01:53:52,500 I mean, I think this is the last time I'll ever talk publicly about it, 1371 01:53:52,625 --> 01:53:57,839 because I... that's not the way I want to remember him. I want to remember him 1372 01:53:57,964 --> 01:54:01,509 when we were together, all the amazing things that we'd done 1373 01:54:01,634 --> 01:54:04,370 and the amazing person that he was. 1374 01:54:09,008 --> 01:54:15,514 After Tony died, the restaurant, Les Halles, it just became this shrine. 1375 01:54:16,782 --> 01:54:21,088 We didn't realize he meant so much to so many people. 1376 01:54:22,055 --> 01:54:24,832 "You inspired me to get out of my comfort zone 1377 01:54:24,957 --> 01:54:28,461 and fearlessly immerse myself in the richness of life." 1378 01:54:29,629 --> 01:54:32,040 "Advocate for the working classes, "the immigrants, the poor. 1379 01:54:32,165 --> 01:54:34,400 This world didn't deserve you." 1380 01:54:38,138 --> 01:54:39,714 And then a few people left poems. 1381 01:54:39,839 --> 01:54:42,850 One said, "Everyone forgets that Icarus also flew. 1382 01:54:42,975 --> 01:54:46,587 "I believe Icarus was not failing as he fell 1383 01:54:46,712 --> 01:54:49,782 but just coming to the end of his triumph." 1384 01:55:10,736 --> 01:55:14,838 You know, I was an angry young man. �I-I, uh... 1385 01:55:15,708 --> 01:55:18,987 I forget what I was angry about, especially looking at this. 1386 01:55:19,112 --> 01:55:23,482 What the hell was I so angry about? �This was, you know... 1387 01:55:25,085 --> 01:55:27,085 ...paradise. 1388 01:55:42,702 --> 01:55:44,702 Sorry. 1389 01:55:45,671 --> 01:55:51,153 Can I say something? To have him walking down a beach, it resonates, it's sweet. 1390 01:55:51,278 --> 01:55:56,457 And I go, you know, as-as I was upstairs using the restroom, I was like... 1391 01:55:56,582 --> 01:55:58,582 "He would fucking hate that." 1392 01:56:03,923 --> 01:56:08,027 Going out in a blaze of glory was so fucking lame. 1393 01:56:09,096 --> 01:56:12,673 But we live in this society where every great artist 1394 01:56:12,798 --> 01:56:17,179 who kills themselves is on murals and they're talked about like gods. 1395 01:56:17,304 --> 01:56:20,815 Tony's on murals. -Yeah. That's... �Around town, there are a couple of them. 1396 01:56:20,940 --> 01:56:24,775 I should go deface them. He would love it if I did that. 1397 01:56:27,775 --> 01:56:31,775 Preuzeto sa www.titlovi.com 140971

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