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I grew up in Germany,
with my mother, alone.
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There was not much food
and only cold water.
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And I went to school.
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And We didn't have money that
I could go to a high school.
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So, I got the permission
from my mother at 18
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to go to England. I
wanted to learn English.
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I did not want to be an actor at all.
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So, I went to England, and
then somebody had a coffee,
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came to me and said,
"We're making a movie.
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My name is Mike Same and I'm
making my first little movie,
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4O minutes, and I want you to play."
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And I said, "Oh, how can I play?
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I've never done a movie in my life."
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The film was called Road to St. Tropez.
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When the film came out,
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the magazines wrote "a
new phase of cinema,
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the most beautiful man in the World."
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I got a contract with William Morris,
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the biggest agency in
the world, by the way.
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And as a poor boy, I liked the attention.
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So, that was the beginning.
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[soft Orchestral music]
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- [Udo Kier] One day I had
to fly from Rome to Munich,
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and next to me, there was an American man.
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He said to me, "What
do you do for living?"
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And I said, "I am an actor."
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And when I said, "I'm an actor,"
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I had already two fingers
on my headshots in my bag,
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and I put it out in front of his face.
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And he said, "Interesting,
give rne your number."
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And then he took out his American passport
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and he wrote my number on the
last page of his passport.
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There was no other number.
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And I said... I was thinking, "Wow!"
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And I said to him, "Who are you?"
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He said, "My name is Paul Morrissey.
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I am a film director for Andy Warhol."
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And Andy Warhol, at that moment,
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was becoming very famous as an artist.
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And he had... Paul had made
four indie famous films,
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like Trash, Flesh, Heat,
with Joe Dallesandro.
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And then I said, "Okay, nice meeting you."
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And then a couple of
weeks later, I got a call.
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"Hey, it's Paul from New York.
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You remember the guy in the
plane sitting next to you?
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I'm doing a film for Carlo Ponti.
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You know, the husband of Sophia Loren.
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Frankenstein in 3D.
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And I have a role for you."
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And I said, "Wow, thank you so much.
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What do I play?"
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He said, "Frankenstein."
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Then he said, "I'm coming to Munich.
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I have to promote the film Heat
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with Sylvia Miles and Joe,
come to the press conference."
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So, I went to the press conference,
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and it was all the German press.
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And they know me but they
couldn't care about me,
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you know, making films.
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And then came the final
question, they said,
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"Mr Morrissey, we heard
you're doing Frankenstein.
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Who is going to play Frankenstein?"
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And then came like the
Michael Angelo finger,
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he said, "Mr. Kier."
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And of course, the whole room changed.
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They all came to me.
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"Oh, we have to do an interview.
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Oh, we have to do a photo shoot."
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So all of a sudden, a star was born.
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We did Frankenstein for
$300,000 in three weeks.
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We shot in an amazing
studio in Cinecitta in Rome,
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which is the most wonderful studio.
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There was not really a script.
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There was an outline of a story,
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and we did not know, actually,
what happened the next day.
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- Did you clean all the
bottles and test tubes
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in the laboratory?
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- Yes, Baron, I did.
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I worked the whole night
to clean up everything.
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- Then why does the studio
look in such a mess, then?
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- [Udo Kier] I didn't
speak English like now.
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I mean, I'm still not
perfect, but I speak.
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But then, I didn't. So, I
mixed up certain sayings,
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and that's Why the line...
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Just saying it was a
mistake, but it's very funny.
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When I say it to my assistant,
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"To know death, Otto,
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you have to fuck life in the gallbladder,"
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and I didn't know what a gallbladder was.
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- My experiments are disturbed.
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And you were the only one
who knew something about it.
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And I thought you were
only interested in sex.
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- [Udo Keir] I had an
amazing time with the actors.
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I had met in Saint Tropez, in a bar,
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a beautiful woman with a beautiful man.
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And that was Monique van Vooren.
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And I didn't know that she
was an actress or anything.
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She was a very good looking blonde.
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And then I saw her in Rome,
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where We met for dinner before the movie,
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and we realized that
we both knew each other
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when I wasn't an actor.
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And then, of course, I met Joe.
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A very nice a man, very
natural, which I liked.
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So, there wasn't...
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It was Cinecitta, it was Andy Warhol,
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but it wasn't any star system.
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We all got treated the same way.
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Ancl actually, We lived
together in a villa,
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in Villa Appia Antica.
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There was another German
actor, Arno JiJrging,
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and his mother actually
went to Andy Warhol
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and said, "You have to use my son."
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So, he was playing my
assistant. Very good, very good.
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Unfortunately, later on, many years after,
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he, I think, jumped out of the window.
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- Beautiful. We're very fortunate to find
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such a perfect torso in one piece.
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- [Udo Keir] Well,
Frankenstein, of course,
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when I had to operate on
the woman and go inside
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to every pose of my
hand and have an orgasm,
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that was kind of a little bit...
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not strange, but you do have
this naked, beautiful woman.
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And then you cut slowly,
with the scissors.
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Your assistant is smaller
than you, big eyes.
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And he looks, and you go
inside with your hand,
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and you say, "liver..."
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You touched the organs
and you have an orgasm.
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I think that was one of
the strongest moments
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I ever did in my life in a movie.
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And the thing was, they put
real liver and stuff inside.
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And I had to take it out.
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And because of the heat of
the studio, they went all bad.
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So, I still had to take
it out to have an orgasm.
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It was beautiful.
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So, that was the strongest
moment, I guess, for me.
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The nudity was art.
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If you like Bertolucci or Fellini,
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if you show naked people,
it's done with taste.
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That's the difference.
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If you do, "Yes, that is the
moment, now, let them fuck,"
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I'm sorry, "let them fuck,"
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that's the difference.
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But for Paul, this scene...
in both films also,
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when he has sex with the girls in Dracula,
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that was very aesthetic.
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There was a Mr. Colonel Binya,
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the inventor of the 3D camera.
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And he sold it, but he had a contract.
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Whenever they use 3D,
they have to use him.
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He came with his wife and
he was put in every scene.
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He had a little metal case, open it up,
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took the lens out and put
it in front of the camera.
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And all the camera men,
everybody wants to know.
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Because it's a very simple thing.
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A 3D camera has two lenses.
They're next to each other.
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Then, at the end of the movie,
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when he put his spear through my body
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and my liver is hanging on top,
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which is of the 3D effect
right in front of the audience.
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My liver is going up and
down in front of your face.
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And they had to guide me with a stick.
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So, I looked at him,
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but I was guided by a stick to
move my body more to the left
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or more to the right. If I
would have moved like that,
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the 3D effect would have gone.
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So, every day, it was an adventure.
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The last day of shooting Frankenstein,
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I went to the canteen,
ordered a little glass of wine
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and I thought, "Okay."
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Andy Warhol said, "Everybody
is famous for 'I5 minutes."
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So my 'I5 minutes was gone.
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And then Paul Morrissey
came in and he said,
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"Well, I guess we have a German Dracula."
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And then I said, "Who?"
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And he said, "You.
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But you have to lose
1 O pounds in one week."
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Because it was always planned
to have just one production.
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Carlo Ponti produced
$300,000 Frankenstein,
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five days rest, three
weeks, $300,000 for Dracula.
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So, it was one same
cameraman, same set designer,
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all the same people, all the actors.
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And I said, "Who?"
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And he said, "You, but you
have to lose 1O pounds."
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I said, "No problem."
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So, I didn't eat anymore.
Only salad leaves and water.
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And when the first day of shooting came,
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with Vittorio De Sica, I
was sitting in a wheelchair,
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and I roll in. And when
I get out, I fall down.
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But we are here to talk
about Frankenstein,
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not about Dracula.
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I had a great time and it was, also,
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basically, at the beginning of my career,
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and I hadn't done many films,
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but it did lead to films.
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I went to the premier of Frankenstein.
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To Paris, Champs-Elysées,
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and I was staying at the
most beautiful hotel plaza.
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And I was there, and... and
half an hour... the film is...
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nobody told me anything.
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Ancl I called and I say, "ls
Paul Morrissey in the hotel?"
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"No, but Mr. Polanski is in the hotel."
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I said, "Could I speak to him?"
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So, I... And Roman said to me,
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"Oh, come up, I'm on the seventh floor.
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We'll have a glass of champagne
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and you can go with me to the premiere."
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So, I went with him to the premiere,
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saw the movie, liked it.
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And then We went to a nightclub.
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With Roman, not with Paul.
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And then We were sitting
there and a man came and said,
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"Hello, my name is Carlo D'Silva.
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We're doing The Story Of O
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and We want to offer
you the leading part."
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And I said, "I don't do pornos."
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And everybody under the table,
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including Polanski, was kicking me.
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And then I didn't know
why they were kicking me.
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And then the guy... when the other guy...
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I said, "Okay, give me your card."
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And then when the guy went,
they said, "Are you crazy?
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That's the biggest
erotic book ever written.
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It's forbidden in
France! And a mega movie.
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And you're the leading
man, the fiance of O.
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Everybody will know you."
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So, I called the next day and
I said to Mr. Carlo D'Silva,
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I said, "Okay, I want
to meet the director."
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So, I met the director who
was very famous at that time,
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because he had made Emmanuelle.
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The biggest erotic hit
with Sylvia Kristel from...
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I remember all the names!
So, my brain is working.
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So, I made the movie.
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I cannot tell you if I
liked the movie or not,
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but it was a commercial,
worldwide success.
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So, Frankenstein is, for the
period of that film was made,
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sensational.
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And I just want to tell you something,
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because it's important for this interview.
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I am a lucky man.
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I have never asked a director,
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"I would like to work with you."
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Imagine you said to David Lynch...
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I had dinner with David
Lynch and Isabella Rossellini
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many years ago.
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Imagine if I would say to David Lynch,
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"I would like to work with you."
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And he would answer, "Who doesn't?"
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I would have gone under the table.
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So, I'm a lucky man.
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I was in Berlin and a young director...
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I didn't know he was a director.
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He introduced himself to me and he said,
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"Hello. My name is Gus van Sant.
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I have a little movie
here I made for $20,000,
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but my next movie is a bigger
projection for New Line,
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with Keanu Reeves and River Phoenix,
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and I have a role for you."
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And I thought, directors
always talk at festivals.
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No, he didn't talk.
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Thanks to him, we're sitting
here now and talking,
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you and me. You're standing. I'm sitting.
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Because he really meant it.
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And I made my first American
picture in Portland.
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That's why I like to say
that word. I am a lucky man,
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because all of these amazing directors.
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And there is directors who are...
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Maybe one I like more than the others.
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I like Paul Morrissey
because he discovered me,
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to become from daily
paper into glamour paper,
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and I like Gus van Sant
because he discovered me,
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and I made my first American film.
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And thanks to him, I'm still here.
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[soft Piano music]
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