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The reality is that nothing
is one dimensional.
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On 10th April 2019,
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the aircraft I was in,
British Airways,
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landed from Islamabad, Pakistan.
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I'd been doing that flight
pretty much every week
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for the last maybe six months.
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An announcement that I'd heard
many times in aircraft before
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was made on the plane, which was,
"Everybody please remain seated
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"because the police
want to come on board."
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I didn't give it a second thought.
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As soon as I got off the plane,
on the gangway,
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there was another gentleman.
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This one was dressed in
a police uniform, and he said,
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"Sir, I'm placing you under arrest
under an extradition warrant
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"from the United States,
and you need to come with us."
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Naqvi is also now waiting on
a possible extradition to the US
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in order to face the charges,
which include the likes
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of securities fraud, wire fraud
and conspiracy,
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according to court documents.
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This is a major development
in this saga
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that has been ongoing for some time.
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It's not about an explanation.
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It's not about redemption.
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It's not about justification
or even seeking sympathy.
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One minute I was welcomed
by the global elite,
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my opinions seemingly sought by
so many world leaders,
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the next moment, here I am.
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It's a very different Arif
from the Arif you folks knew.
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But it is still...
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..somewhere there.
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Arif Naqvi had to be
an astonishingly clever man,
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otherwise he couldn't remotely
have done this.
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He was very ambitious,
which is what you want,
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and he wanted to make money,
which is what you want.
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The biggest private equity group in
the Middle East is Abraaj Capital.
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Chairman and CEO, Arif Naqvi...
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People were looking at Abraaj as
a success - a $14 billion success.
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The pitch that Arif was making was
that he could make investors rich
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and end poverty.
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You're not just there to make money
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but you're actually there
to achieve good.
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You cannot forget where
you put $240 million.
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You became suspicious
of everything and everyone.
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We were starting to text each other
and call each other,
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literally going,
"What the BLEEP?!"
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The more money he made,
the more successful he got,
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the more he contributed
towards the society.
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Potential unauthorised drawings
of 300 million plus
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I still find
substantially astounding.
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It was...a machine
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designed to defraud people.
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I am crystal clear
in front of my Maker
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that I have never committed an
intentional act of criminality.
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I was the piano player who played
the month of January in Davos.
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This was my 27th
World Economic Forum,
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so I've met a lot of people.
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Many prime ministers, my gosh.
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There's a lot of things
going on in the daytime -
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discussions, conferences.
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I don't get to see any of that.
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The main party was the piano bar.
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My job is to make them happy,
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get them drunk
and forget about life.
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I didn't know who Arif was at first.
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He came back every night,
and it was when he slipped
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a nice big money bill into my hand
that I realised,
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OK, I have to get to know this guy.
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Right? It isn't every day
you get a 500 euro tip.
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On my far left, Arif Naqvi,
the founder and group CEO
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of Abraaj Capital in the UAE.
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I've been a financial journalist
for 22 years.
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Davos, which is this confluence
of capitalists and politicians
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who, in public, talk about making
the world a better place,
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and then in closed doors
they're often doing deals.
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Arif was really in his element,
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talking with other money managers
in public, on stage.
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You're an enormous investor...
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Because these markets have got
liquidity, they've got strength,
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they're going to make up
for lost time.
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Arif spoke the language of Western
finance, but also understood
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the realities of countries where
people lived on very low incomes.
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The vision that drove Abraaj
to become a global force
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is harnessing Western-style
capitalism
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to help achieve stability and better
health and equality and prosperity
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in regions that are defined...
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..by poverty and volatility.
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The pitch that Arif was making was
that he could make investors rich
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and end poverty.
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This was impact investing,
and I was its flag-carrier.
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He used to like to sit on
the window ledge behind me.
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He just sat there drinking
his scotch, enjoying the music.
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And I noticed he was wearing
a white badge,
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which means you have
access to everything,
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and obviously you're a CEO
or a prime minister
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or somebody that can afford the -
what is it? - the $50,000 fee?
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As the night progressed, he would
loosen up a bit, of course.
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The next thing you know,
he's got a microphone,
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singing Hotel California with me.
Yeah, I mean, he's human, too.
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I turned up in Dubai with nothing.
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It was a city that was
extremely good to me.
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In the 2000s, between 2000 and 2008,
you put a dollar in anything,
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you know tomorrow it's two dollars,
but then who makes sure that
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actually it's six dollars?
So, Arif was the six dollar man.
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It was the only environment
in the Middle East
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where you could effectively create
a name through entrepreneurship.
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I set up businesses myself.
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It was innovative, it was fun,
and we were earning money.
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Well, I got involved with it because
I saw a very talented deal-maker.
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He was very ambitious,
which is what you want,
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and he wanted to make money,
which is what you want.
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He was very clever
at flattering people
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and selling them a great story.
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Aramex was a transaction
he had identified.
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Aramex is a courier company
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sometimes called the FedEx
of the Middle East.
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Yes, it was a Middle Eastern
company,
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but it was listed on Nasdaq.
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We announced that acquisition
very late in 2001.
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Post 9/11, obviously we were
diligenced to death by all parties -
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an Arab company buying an Arab
company off the stock exchange.
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I mean, look, private equity
was fashionable.
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A private equity fund ought to
conduct itself by taking money
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from investors, then deploying it
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into investments,
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like acquiring a stake in a company
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which will be improved
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to generate returns, and then
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sharing these profits with investors
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when the company is sold.
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The weakness in private equity
is the lack of transparency.
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You have to have a higher
element of trust
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in the person or the organisation.
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I kept a very close eye
on everything.
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I was overly anxious
about his behaviour.
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We had one member
of the Saudi royal family
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who was a shareholder in our firm.
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Now, the Saudi royal family
is a very big family,
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there are thousands of members,
and then I caught him claiming
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to say that we represent
the Saudi royal family,
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and those sort of things
got me very nervous.
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Ali and I never got on
with each other.
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I found him to be a volatile keg
and a difficult person to work with.
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Well, I think I pushed
for the divorce
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because, at the end of the day,
it was untenable.
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We separated from Ali very shortly
thereafter, and Abraaj was born.
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Abraaj is towers.
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So, Burj is one tower,
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Abraaj is towers.
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The choice of the name was smart.
It was very Arabic,
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although now it's global.
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Arif also liked what Abraaj meant
in Hindi or Urdu.
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Now we rule.
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Now it's our time to be in charge.
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Those years were very,
very important years
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and the deals...then the big
deals started happening.
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When Abraaj sold its shares
in Aramex in 2005,
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they made something like
five times their money.
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That success attracted a lot of
attention to Arif and to Abraaj.
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He started getting into the message,
which was do good and make money,
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and that became his theme.
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Karachi is one of the most
congested cities on this planet.
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Around 2008, power outages
were routine.
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When there is a power outage,
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it means complete misery
for very ordinary people.
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Life would completely come
to a grinding halt.
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Karachi Electric was associated
with that darkness.
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There was violence.
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There were riots.
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It was a very, very volatile place.
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Karachi Electric, with all its
problems, was an opportunity
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for Arif and his colleagues to prove
that they could bring about
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a real transformation of a company
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that would bring tangible, positive
benefits to customers and citizens.
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Is it doable? Of course it's doable.
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It was a very good deal.
People were jealous.
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It was the biggest foreign
investment in Pakistan
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and, over the years,
we found that Karachi Electric
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actually ran far more efficiently
than the government was doing.
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I met Arif off and on in these days.
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The more money he made,
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he made sure that people in
Pakistan benefited from it.
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My mantra of doing good is not
just about giving money away.
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It's about having the direct impact.
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He set up this Aman Foundation
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and this Aman Foundation did a lot
of charitable work in Pakistan.
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They set up this ambulance service
in various parts of the country.
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Over the last decade, Aman has
probably saved over a million lives.
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I know that for a fact.
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I've come here to Cairo
to seek a new beginning
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between the United States
and Muslims around the world.
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In 2009, President Obama went to
Cairo to reset the relationship
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between the United States
and the Islamic world,
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which had been torn apart by
the September 11th 2001 attacks.
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Now, we know that military power
alone is not going to solve
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the problems in Afghanistan
and Pakistan.
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That's why we plan to invest
$1.5 billion
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each year over the next five years.
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After that speech, the US sought out
partners in the Middle East
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with which a government fund
could invest.
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One of the companies which
stepped forward was Abraaj.
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The US Government pledged
$150 million to an Abraaj fund
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to invest in Middle Eastern
companies.
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Well, the biggest private equity
group in the Middle East
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and North Africa today launched
a Palestine investment fund.
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Here now to talk about that
and what's going on with Dubai
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in the Middle East is Abraaj Capital
chairman and CEO, Arif Naqvi.
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Securing funding from
the United States Government
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was a big moment for Abraaj
and for Arif.
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When you go through all the media
hype about Arif at the time,
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it was all about
do good and make money.
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How are you going to make this
more than just a nice headline?
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So I think what it should be
lauded as is a new initiative
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to create opportunity, because
when people trade with each other,
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they forget about violence
and negativity.
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The Americans saw him as someone
who could be an important partner.
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These are the big players
from the US.
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He did sit with these guys
in forums and meetings
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and everything else,
and I think it drags you...
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The more you do,
the more you want from that.
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They were part of
the same movement -
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this belief that investment capital
can help end poverty.
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Five years ago or so, Arif Naqvi,
who was from Karachi,
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bought this property,
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he turned this wonderful green
behind us into a cricket ground,
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and then he got in touch with all
his old muckers,
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entertained them lavishly, and sent
them to play cricket
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and to make fools of themselves.
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I'm quite certain this year,
we've got charities involved
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and things like that,
it's going to be even better.
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Well, my name is Henry Blofeld
and I've spent 47 years
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commentating about cricket
for the BBC.
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A television producer rang me up
and he said,
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"Would you consider commentating
for me at a ground near Oxford?
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"There is this extraordinary
rich Pakistani called Arif Naqvi.
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"He'd probably pay you
quite a lot of money."
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That's gone all the way!
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Goodness knows how many technicians
there were there,
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and, to my astonishment,
was going to be shown nowhere,
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so, I mean, this was a great
demonstration of extravagance.
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Here we are, a mutual celebration.
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The camera can't drink
but Farokh and I can.
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And Imran Khan comes on to bowl.
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So this is really the witching hour.
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I've known Arif Naqvi
for almost 25 years
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and I certainly consider him
a friend.
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At the end of my cricketing days,
I met him
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and he was one of those few
staunch cricket lovers.
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Arif was very pleased.
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He was enormously pleased that Imran
was dignifying his cricket ground.
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That will have done Arif Naqvi's
street cred hugely good.
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Arif...
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Arif as a cricketer was not as good
as his business acumen.
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And the boss has been run out.
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Oh, dear.
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He invited me because he also
invited top Pakistani businessmen.
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After the match, we had a small
dinner, a fundraising dinner,
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and that dinner was to raise
money for my political party.
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Here were these people with huge
amounts of money, and the principal
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was Arif Naqvi, who had got
more money than any of them.
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When I look at my life story
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and I think, with all of that
going for you, Arif,
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and with, erm...
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..money that I earned that was way
beyond my wildest expectations,
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and I felt that there must be a
purpose to my life other than...
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..generating the amounts
of money that I did.
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Arif Naqvi was a very focused man.
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When I started running Unilever, you
get exposed to hundreds of people
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and at that time he was one of them.
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He was a big advocate
for a few things
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that I think we all believe in
and still do.
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First and foremost, that you need to
channel more of our world's capital
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to the right things -
ie, making this a better world.
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This movement of people
and institutions
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which was seeking to channel
investment funds in a way that
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it ended poverty
as well as making a profit
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came to be known as
impact investing.
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I've been in the impact investing
industry all my life.
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I'm doing what I love doing,
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which is investing and actually
making a difference.
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I worked for a London firm
named Aureos,
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which invested in
the developing world.
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We were a boots-on-the-ground model
and that's what many investors,
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pension funds,
sovereign wealth funds,
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a couple of US foundations,
loved about the Aureos model.
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Abraaj bought Aureos.
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Arif and his colleagues
recognised that owning Aureos
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would open the doors to these
Western government funds for Abraaj.
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Having international investors,
and a whole bunch of them,
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makes a big difference.
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Abraaj was primarily the Gulf,
Middle East, North Africa.
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We were in Latin America,
we were in Sub-Saharan Africa,
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we were in Asia.
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So the Middle East's largest private
equity firm, Abraaj Capital,
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continues to expand.
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The Dubai-based company has bought
the UK specialist fund
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Aureos Capital, which has around
$1.3 billion under management.
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The combined entity will manage
$7.5 billion-worth of assets
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and that's across 30 countries.
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For Abraaj, the acquisition
of Aureos
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meant that sort of
at one click of a switch,
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you had a whole investor base
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which could normally take years
to actually build up.
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And I joined the board
of the UN Global Compact
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when Arif Naqvi was on the board.
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That's probably where I got
to know him a little bit better.
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Did he stand out in one way
or another?
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The world tends to be in monologue
between us Westerners.
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He was an advocate, very much so,
for impact investing
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for the emerging markets.
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The sheer force of development
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is what will make
these markets grow.
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And it's extremely exciting
to be a part of that right now.
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Arif became very adept in pitching
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Abraaj as a firm who could
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gather money from the richer
parts of the world
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and invest in poorer parts of
the world in a way that would
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make a profit
and a positive impact as well.
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You cannot think of a forum that
he or his people weren't there,
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or you cannot think of a prize
that wasn't awarded to them.
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When I got to Dubai,
the Abraaj headquarters,
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my first impression was, you
could fit all the Aureos offices
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in this one office.
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The whole structure around Arif was
almost like a president's office.
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Some seniors, as well as
a lot of junior people,
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who were very loyal to Arif.
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One of these individuals
was having a haircut
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and he got a call from Arif.
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He actually left the hairdresser's
and went back to the office
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with half a haircut.
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When you're asked, "Jump,"
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they asked, "How high?"
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The Gates Foundation believes
that all lives have equal value.
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At the Gates Foundation, I managed
the Strategic Investment Fund,
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designed to partner with for-profit
companies and investment funds
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around the world, with the goal of
alleviating poverty and ensuring
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proper healthcare treatment
for populations around the globe.
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The first time that we know Arif
met Bill Gates
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was when he hosted him
at a dinner at his house.
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He puts on a very grand meeting
for Bill and other luminaries.
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Bill Gates.
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It's... It's great.
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The buzz had skyrocketed itself.
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Bill Gates and Arif Naqvi agreed
to do something in healthcare.
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It was a very large investment
and it was important to us.
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It was probably a very proud moment
for Arif to be able to say that,
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look, we've got this fund going
and it's a few years after,
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you know, discussing this with Bill
Gates and so on, and we're there.
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I'm from the emerging markets.
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I've always invested in the emerging
markets for the last 25 years.
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I'm managing director
and head of private equity funds
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at British International Investment,
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the UK Government's
Development Finance Institution.
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The Abraaj team, probably
the investor relations team,
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came to us to say, "We have
this great idea of a fund
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"looking at affordable healthcare,"
and having Gates there
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gave us a lot of comfort
in terms of, you know,
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impact will definitely be
driving some of that agenda.
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Abraaj's healthcare fund was
made up of heavyweight investors.
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The Gates Foundation,
the UK Government's investment arm,
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as well as the French Government
equivalent,
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put in almost $200 million
between them.
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In addition, the US Government's
Overseas Investment Corporation
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and the World Bank's private sector
development arm committed in total
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around $250 million.
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All in all, when combined with
other investors, we had $1 billion
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to make healthcare investments
around the world.
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Once a year, there would be
a formal Investor Week,
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where investors across all of
their funds would come together.
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Arif had a very prominent role.
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Beyond the human suffering
on the ground that affects
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each and every one of us...
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There was always a session
around his charity -
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the Aman Foundation, and the
importance of why it's not
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just about making money - that it
also needs to ultimately do good.
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Whenever I saw him speak about that,
I felt he really believed that.
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He was being genuine
with his audience.
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The teams would get together
from all around the world.
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The whole point is to mingle
and to meet each other.
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You had music going on
in the evenings.
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There would be pretty lively events.
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The firm wasn't one of the largest
in the world, but the lifestyle
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and the characters that led it
certainly were larger than life.
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I remember a specific incident
when one of the teams
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was talking to us about
a very aggressive business plan,
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so I kept kind of drilling on that.
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And eventually, you know,
it was time for a break.
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We stepped out and Arif
came to me, I recall,
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and he said, "You know, Clarisa,
you ask a lot of questions."
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And I said, "Yes, I do.
That's part of my job."
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He said, "No, but you're asking
too many questions."
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You know, individuals will be
charming and convincing
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and individuals will try
to be intimidating.
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That doesn't work.
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You can try both.
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Arif tried that on me.
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That didn't work.
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My former colleagues had concerns
with the professionalism
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of the Abraaj team and were very
interested when I met with them
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in finding the nicest restaurant
in Seattle
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and ordering several-hundred-dollar
bottles of wine.
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That's what they were focused on.
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We at Abraaj, I at Abraaj,
we were not bad people.
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We were never bad people.
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We wanted to change the world
and we were trying to do that.
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There was one time
when I was staying in Dubai,
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Blair and I were asked
to dinner by Arif Naqvi
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at his house at Emirates Hills.
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We had an amazing evening.
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We must have been 30 to dinner
at least.
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I mean, the wine, we didn't drink
Chateau Petrus,
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which he produced, I think,
at many of his parties.
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He wanted all the time to impress
and go one up, if he could,
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on all his friends, and I think
his house in Emirates Hills
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was very much a part
of his one-upmanship.
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Emirates Hills is a place populated
by the billionaires of the world.
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In the middle of Emirates Hills,
he built a huge mosque,
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a huge complex named after
his father, Masood Naqvi.
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That Islamic centre means a lot
to the local community.
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You will see billionaires
rubbing shoulders with the workers
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who work in these houses
of billionaires.
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It was accepted that he had a yacht
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and that he flew everywhere
by private jet.
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Again, I mean, my inner...
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I thought, "Well, there's Arif
showing that he's a very rich man."
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The reality is that the finances
of Abraaj are in a dangerous state.
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The firm was most definitely
spending more than it was earning.
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I joined, I think,
on 26th Jan 2016.
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As I went into the grinding machine,
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it was quite interesting,
I must say.
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One of my mandates was to control
costs, resize the organisation.
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He used to tell me, "Listen,
my problem is I'm too generous.
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"We have a huge set-up. Maybe we
can do with less. I don't know.
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"But I need someone who, you know...
Merciless, you know?
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"I'd like you to...
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"And, you know, it's known that
I do what needs to be done, OK?"
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We had the highest headcount
of investment staff
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per dollar under management
in the world.
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The firm has gone into
marketing overdrive
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and the message that's being put
out publicly is one of success,
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of having a great track record,
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of being in partnership
with Bill Gates and the likes.
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You go to World Economic Forum
meetings,
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we had presence bigger than...
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..you know, can I say
Goldman Sachs, for example?
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You know, bigger than
global investment banks.
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I believe in investing in presents,
but it was too excessive.
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A very small group of people,
maybe four, five, six,
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at the heart of Abraaj knew the
extent of a Abraaj's problems.
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The most important one
was the book-keeper...
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..who is Rafique.
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Abraaj's finance department
is managed
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by a man called Rafique Lakhani.
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His office was filled
with paper receipts.
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Rafique was a tireless employee
of Arif.
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Extremely loyal.
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Same for Waqar Siddique,
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who is Arif's brother-in-law
and a senior executive.
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To keep the firm from failing,
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Rafique and Arif were
moving money around.
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Two people who know the most
were Waqar and Rafique.
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Rafique, under Arif's guidance,
was moving money
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out of the healthcare fund
and then using that
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to pay for various costs
elsewhere in Abraaj.
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It was a juggling act.
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So the way funds work is the fund
manager, in this case Abraaj,
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will say, "We're about to make an
investment in this hospital network.
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"We need $50 million
to make that investment."
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The money is actually drawn down,
as it's called, from the investors
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slowly over time,
little by little over time.
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What was unique about the Abraaj
fund is they very quickly said,
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"We need several hundred
million dollars."
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There was a small drawdown
made in September of 2016,
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but then in December 2016,
477
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,920
there was a drawdown
for almost $400 million.
478
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,880
So at first we thought
that was a good sign.
479
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,440
It was an indication that
they had done their homework
480
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,040
and had a large number of deals
that were ready to move quickly.
481
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,760
However, after just a few months,
we realised that they were
482
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,280
drawing down much more money
483
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,320
than they were actually
using to invest.
484
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,520
Something is wrong here.
Something makes no sense.
485
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,440
So when March came,
486
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,280
they said, "This is the update
on the overall portfolio."
487
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,040
And we said, "There's still some
money that hasn't been drawn.
488
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,560
"You should be using that
or giving it back to investors."
489
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,520
They said, "No, it's going to be
utilised in the very short term
490
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,040
"and we're actually going to be
asking for more money
491
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,040
"from you tomorrow
in the order of $115 million."
492
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,480
And we said, "Well, you've had
more than that already in cash."
493
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,360
Very quickly you realised that you
needed to ask many more questions
494
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,040
because...
495
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,280
..the answers weren't fully
making sense.
496
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,880
I was invited by Arif
to do this Art Dubai.
497
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,120
We were guests at the Ritz-Carlton.
498
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,720
I had a chauffeur with
a Mercedes 500 come to pick me up.
499
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,240
And Art Dubai was not far from that
famous hotel that looks like a sail.
500
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:16,840
It was a major event.
501
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,440
One of the biggest fixtures
of the Dubai social scene.
502
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,960
The whole mood was just very sombre.
503
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,080
Arif was very quiet.
504
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,680
He shook a few hands.
He didn't stay long.
505
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,160
And for the first time,
he did not even
506
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,080
come over to say hello to me.
507
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,760
Something big is happening.
508
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,040
I don't know what it is
but I didn't like it.
509
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,600
There was a lot happening
in the background,
510
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,360
which later I got to realise,
the pressure -
511
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,000
one, from the healthcare investors.
"Where is the cash?
512
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,200
"Why are you sitting on
so much cash?"
513
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:54,720
So I started emailing and calling
the fund managers repeatedly.
514
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,680
After several weeks of back
and forth, they said,
515
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,040
"Because we trust you, Andrew, and
because of our close relationship
516
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,040
"with the Gates Foundation,
this one time we will tell you
517
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,400
"where the money is -
which bank account it's in."
518
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,920
And they sent me a audit statement
showing that that $200 million
519
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,680
was sitting in
the Commercial Bank of Dubai.
520
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,040
That interaction got me
more and more concerned.
521
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,080
In September 2017,
522
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,800
just organising the investor
meeting for October.
523
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,840
You normally have the investors
by conference call.
524
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,240
And so, on that call, it was
a different set of people
525
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,360
than I had been interacting
with previously
526
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,040
when they told me it was in
the Commercial Bank of Dubai,
527
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,520
so I thought, "I'm just going to ask
again - where is the money sitting?"
528
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,920
The financial controller
gave an answer.
529
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,600
A particular bank.
530
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,280
"Oh, don't worry about it.
It's in Standard Bank."
531
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,280
I remember there was sort of silence
for a few seconds
532
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,040
and then, on the phone,
533
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,960
"That's not the information
or the bank account I got."
534
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,320
And all of a sudden it was like,
"What?" You know, "What's going on?"
535
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,200
And at that point, my head exploded.
536
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,440
You cannot forget where
you put $240 million.
537
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,280
A formal letter was sent -
Gates, on behalf of the investors
538
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,680
from the committee, saying,
"You have until the end of the year
539
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,680
"to return our capital,
to show us a bank statement."
540
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,280
The response was not good.
541
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,200
At that point, Arif reached out
to everyone
542
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,760
who managed the fund's boss
within their organisations.
543
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:36,040
This over-the-top explosion,
trying to get everyone fired,
544
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,160
that's an indication that
something is very, very wrong.
545
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,280
Asking for a bank statement
is not an outrageous request.
546
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:49,760
Abraaj and Arif personally appeared
to take that as a lack of trust.
547
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,360
And that's when I really knew
for the first time
548
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,680
that we likely had a case of fraud.
549
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,720
The Prime Minister is not
a job I aspired to,
550
00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:12,040
but it's a big responsibility.
551
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,320
So, I took office
on August 1st 2017
552
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,720
and completed my constitutional term
of ten months.
553
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:26,040
Naqvi asked to meet me in relation
to the issues of K-Electric.
554
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,680
I felt that it was
very important to him.
555
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,040
A successful sale of Karachi
Electric would have brought
556
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,040
hundreds of millions of dollars.
557
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,520
He raised emphasis on the fact
that this was critical
558
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:39,920
for Abraaj and him.
559
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,040
He was bringing in
Shanghai Electric,
560
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,520
which was the premier power utility
in the world.
561
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,000
It was something that I felt,
as the Prime Minister,
562
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,360
was important for Pakistan,
so I was trying to facilitate
563
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,000
the transaction to take place.
564
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,520
In fact, I asked my
military secretary
565
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,240
to allow him full access
to me and my office.
566
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,160
It was the single largest
Chinese investment into Pakistan,
567
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,360
so there is a geopolitical
situation.
568
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,760
For a huge city's electricity and
power to go into the Chinese hands,
569
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,000
it's not what it was like
by the Americans.
570
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,760
And you always find out
about these issues
571
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,000
about a quarter of a century later,
when the documents are declassified.
572
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,040
A whole host of issues.
We resolved many of them,
573
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,960
but we could not finalise
that transaction.
574
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,520
Perhaps Abraaj,
with the extra money,
575
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,680
would have been in
a better situation.
576
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,680
We can only speculate on that.
577
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,760
In September 2017,
Arif travelled to New York.
578
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,760
He gives a very big speech
about impact investing
579
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,520
at a conference
which is timed to coincide
580
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,040
with the UN General Assembly,
581
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,520
so he's in town with
the great and the good.
582
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,400
World leaders, CEOs, billionaires.
583
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,040
You cannot create a great company
584
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,240
unless you start with
a good company.
585
00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:25,040
And a good company is one that
stands for what society stands for.
586
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,400
He was speaking at a time
587
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,640
when something seriously wrong
was happening at Abraaj.
588
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,520
All of us are looking
to make a difference,
589
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,120
hopefully in the lives
of anywhere upwards of
590
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,000
200 to 300 million people.
591
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,120
Thank you very much.
592
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,040
This is not the way to end
global poverty,
593
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,520
by telling investors one thing
and citizens one thing
594
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,760
and then doing something else.
595
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,760
The foundation started receiving
whistle-blower emails
596
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,280
from an email, WB Abraaj at Gmail,
or whatever it was,
597
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,760
which stood for
Whistle-blower Abraaj...
598
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,280
..basically saying,
you're on the right track,
599
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,120
you're figuring things out.
600
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,520
You and the other investors,
keep digging.
601
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,280
I was told by Dubai HQ that any
more interaction with investors
602
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,760
is to be dealt with
by a small group of people,
603
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,760
of which I'm not one of them.
604
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,280
And at that point, I went to the
management of the Gates Foundation
605
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,040
and said, "We have a major problem.
We need to dig into it."
606
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,040
Abraaj sent us yet another statement
for one day
607
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,760
showing that the $200 million was
sitting in the account on that day,
608
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,760
December 7th, or whatever it was,
2017.
609
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,400
You became suspicious
of everything and everyone.
610
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,280
We were suspecting that
what they were doing is,
611
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,600
when they needed to show
that money was there,
612
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,840
they would transfer money in for one
day, print out a bank statement,
613
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,760
and then transfer it out
to use it for other purposes.
614
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,280
At the end of December 2017,
the limited partners
615
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,280
of the healthcare fund
received their monies back.
616
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,200
In January, they said, "We've
already given you your money."
617
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,320
But the trust had been broken
from our side.
618
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,040
We're going to hire forensic
accountants who are going to
619
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,880
look at every record of the money
coming in and out.
620
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,280
By that point, we had no certainty
of where that money had been.
621
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,040
I woke up mid-January,
622
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,520
checked my emails as I did
every single morning,
623
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,440
I had one potentially interesting
email from an anonymous address -
624
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,600
WB Abraaj.
So I responded to that.
625
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,760
I said, "Hello. Thank you for
sharing this information with me.
626
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,120
"Can you please tell me who you are
and why you've shared this with me?"
627
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,760
Will was a colleague of mine at
the Wall Street Journal at the time.
628
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,280
He came over to me one day and told
me that he'd received this email.
629
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,360
I'd often wondered where Abraaj
630
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:22,920
got the money to fund the
conspicuous events and lifestyle
631
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,320
that its senior executives
seemed to lead.
632
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,440
But my main feeling initially
was not,
633
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,760
oh, this must be true
or this must be false.
634
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,920
My main priority at that time is
to find out - is it true or not?
635
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,760
So they said, for instance,
that Abraaj had asked investors
636
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,280
for $200 million,
which hadn't been spent
637
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,920
and had been used to pay salaries
instead.
638
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,520
If this were true, I mean,
this would have been Abraaj
639
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,560
committing a kind of cardinal sin
of fund management.
640
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,360
So the money in private equity
is supposed to be managed
641
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,200
in a very disciplined way.
642
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,440
If you raise a healthcare fund,
you can't, you know,
643
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:05,520
go and throw a party with that money
or pay someone's salary or bonus.
644
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:11,520
I mean, this is where trust
is won or lost in finance.
645
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,040
So we started to gather
pieces of information.
646
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,040
Off-the-record comments.
647
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,040
Documents followed.
648
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,800
We kept calling people,
calling them back,
649
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,520
calling Abraaj.
650
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,520
How am I ever going to confirm
without getting bank statements
651
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,520
and investor reports, which
are very difficult to get
652
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,320
because they're confidential?
653
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,760
While we're doing the reporting,
654
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,680
trying to verify the information
in the anonymous email,
655
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,520
Arif is in Davos.
656
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,040
I knew that someone was briefing
against us in the press,
657
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,840
and that was a coordinated exercise,
but I had no idea who or what.
658
00:41:55,280 --> 00:42:00,680
Arif had arranged a meeting
with two very senior executives
659
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,800
at News Corp.
660
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,640
He tried really hard to get them
to kill our story.
661
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,840
And he actually participates
in a panel discussion
662
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,000
with Bill Gates about global health.
663
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,400
Like Bill, I'm an optimist.
664
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,800
And I have to say that Bill
was instrumental.
665
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,000
That Bill is so focused.
666
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,760
So, you know, probably,
as Bill will testify...
667
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:33,280
Arif repeatedly tries to engage
Bill Gates in...in conversation.
668
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,520
It's apparent that Bill Gates
is trying quite hard
669
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,520
to not be engaged by Arif
in conversation.
670
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,520
Can I just add something slightly
provocative there, Bill,
671
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,040
and, I don't know, maybe
I'm being a bit simplistic,
672
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,520
but these gold standard regulators
and the drugs that are approved...
673
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,320
And even for Arif to appear...
If you're a fund manager
674
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,680
and you're under investigation,
to be able to get up on stage
675
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,920
and then lecture
one of the world's richest men
676
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,280
really takes a lot of, erm...
677
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,840
I'm not quite sure...
What, confidence maybe? Courage?
678
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,120
We called Abraaj for comment.
679
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,960
A senior executive said
it's not true
680
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,360
that hundreds of millions
of dollars are missing.
681
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,760
Abraaj is regulated
in seven jurisdictions.
682
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,040
It has the highest
governance standards.
683
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,720
At that point, we knew investors
were investigating,
684
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:26,240
so we published the article
on February 2nd 2018.
685
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,800
When the two infamous articles
came out,
686
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,040
I got a call from Waqar saying,
687
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,320
"Bisher, you know, there are two...
688
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:50,040
"..American, quote unquote,
publications,
689
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:54,240
"They're after us,
those bloody racist, erm...
690
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:57,120
"..newspapers.
They want to nail our successes."
691
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,680
And then it was like an avalanche.
692
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,760
After the articles came out,
693
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,760
we were starting to text each other
and call each other
694
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,080
and literally going, "What the
fuck?" I mean, "What's going on?"
695
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,960
It shouldn't happen in our business.
696
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,040
Drawing down and sitting
on the money for a while,
697
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,280
fine, you could live with it.
698
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,960
But using it for another purpose?
699
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,560
That's not OK.
700
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,640
And this is exactly what
I told Arif, I remember.
701
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:38,040
"This is called a serious violation
which needs a major change."
702
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,640
He goes, "What do you mean?
703
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,040
"Some heads have to roll,
704
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,480
"including, potentially, yours."
705
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,520
He kept on climbing down the stairs,
snooping around all of us,
706
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,600
trying to figure out
what's going on.
707
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,520
I built a wall...
708
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,520
..to block the staircase.
709
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,680
Gypsum wall. You bring gypsum...
710
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,320
Not me, physically.
711
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:11,040
I was constantly reaching out
to Abraaj's spokesperson
712
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,400
and senior executives and to Arif.
713
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:15,960
Everything that I said
714
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,280
was being ignored.
715
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,640
I sent letters and responses in
writing. I sent them verbally.
716
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,400
Will and I had a phone call
with Arif.
717
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,280
We spoke for hours.
I can't remember exactly how long.
718
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,280
The answers he gave to the questions
we asked were not sufficient
719
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,320
to make us say, "OK, well,
there's nothing to see here."
720
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,040
Simon and I just...
721
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,000
What do we...? We literally
got nothing out of that.
722
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,000
He just spoke in kind of
very abstract language.
723
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,680
We thought that if we could
meet him in person, then maybe,
724
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,120
you know, you'd have
a bit more engagement.
725
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,480
He initially was talking about,
yes, he would meet me
726
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,600
to talk things through,
but that meeting never happened.
727
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,520
I only stopped when I realised
that it didn't really matter.
728
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,040
It continued to be
a one-sided narrative.
729
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,040
As you can imagine, a lot
of the time in the office
730
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,760
was spent discussing
what was really going on.
731
00:46:13,720 --> 00:46:16,760
So I guess I first got really
immersed in the Abraaj data
732
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,280
back in early 2018
733
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,360
on behalf of the Dubai Financial
Services Authority -
734
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,400
the local Dubai regulator.
735
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,760
The data for the regulator is still
downloading in the mailboxes
736
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,080
and this partner appears
in my office.
737
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,920
It felt like he was shouting
blue murder, saying,
738
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,680
"You must stop now.
Stop what you're doing now.
739
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,000
"Arif doesn't want anybody else
to see his information."
740
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,520
Then the news on Fund IV comes up.
741
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,920
But, again, investors are asking,
742
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,280
"Where is the money?
Where is the money?"
743
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,520
The money was not there.
744
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,040
So the guy says, "So what is this?"
745
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,680
The potential...
746
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:18,760
..unauthorised drawings
of 300 million plus
747
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,040
to Arif-controlled vehicles
748
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:25,080
I still find substantially
astounding.
749
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,760
So, I'm an auditor by training.
750
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,520
I remember, literally,
my jaw dropped
751
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,360
when the guys showed me
the download from Arif's ledger.
752
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:40,040
It's not only of the quantity
of money that was withdrawn
753
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,280
but also from the level of details.
754
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,680
From a shoeshine of 20 drams,
755
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:50,040
all the way to the transfers
to him or his companies
756
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,200
of tens of millions of dollars.
757
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,000
I have never stolen money
from anyone.
758
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:06,680
Transfers would be made to the same
vehicle controlled by Arif -
759
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,040
a company called
Silverline Holdings,
760
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,800
sometimes frequently
in the same week.
761
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:16,280
Money was being taken in and used
for these corporate expenses
762
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:20,120
and for personal gain
when it was so tight.
763
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:24,040
Right? So tight. And investor
money couldn't be given back
764
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,040
or investments couldn't be made.
765
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,760
That's fundamentally what
I still find, I guess,
766
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,280
the most shocking
about the Abraaj story.
767
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,520
There was a hole to be filled
of around $200 million.
768
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,440
The money that plugged the hole
for the healthcare fund
769
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,280
came from Air Arabia.
770
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,720
Arif was on the board
of that company as well.
771
00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:52,120
An arrangement was struck
with Air Arabia
772
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,040
to place a short-term deposit
with Abraaj.
773
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,280
200 million was taken in.
774
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,280
And our audited report
said we had the money.
775
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,760
It was then transferred directly
from the fund bank account
776
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,360
back to Air Arabia.
777
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,760
In accounting
and auditing standards,
778
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,760
this is what we call typically
window-dressing, right?
779
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,760
You dress the window
for a certain occasion
780
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,880
and then you strip it down.
781
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,120
And I met with the auditors.
782
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,800
And they are KPMG,
just to make things clear.
783
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,840
I told them, in my book
or in anyone's book,
784
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,840
this is gross negligence.
785
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,760
It was a machine...
786
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:38,520
..designed to defraud people.
787
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,520
Who designed that machine?
788
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,880
Who do you think? I mean...
789
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:50,040
He borrowed money from
airlines, banks, people.
790
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:54,120
One of the lenders, they said,
"We want our money back."
791
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,520
So Arif's yacht is put up for sale.
792
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,040
Various properties he owns.
793
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,040
Creditors wanted to be repaid.
794
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:07,280
Abraaj couldn't repay them,
so that's what triggered Abraaj
795
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,240
having to file for
provisional liquidation.
796
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:14,280
We'd grown fast, yeah, but we
were destroyed even faster.
797
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,360
Anonymous emails,
negative news articles,
798
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,040
they forced us into
a civil liquidation process.
799
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,040
The only thing you have
in a business
800
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,520
in the world of finance
is your reputation.
801
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,760
When that's gone, nothing
else can really survive.
802
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,520
The corporate response was,
nothing to see here.
803
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:44,520
No involvement or fraud from either
Arif or a wider Abraaj perspective.
804
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:54,040
I'm spending most of my time
on this story.
805
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,680
What has happened here
is not public.
806
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,680
No-one ever found out who sent
those anonymous emails,
807
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:06,120
so we were looking for sources that
could verify what the emails said.
808
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:10,760
Simon found a new source
who might have bank statements.
809
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:15,400
And I've probably reviewed 80%,
85% of the records that exist
810
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,280
for thousands of hours.
811
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:24,360
Immersed in looking at the data and
finding new things what felt daily,
812
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,520
I was very fearful of speaking
to anybody in the media.
813
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,440
I remember literally trembling.
814
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,320
The atmosphere was very tense
because there was a lot at stake.
815
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,440
You had to put in
quite a lot of work
816
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,840
for the first half an hour
to calm me down.
817
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,080
I remember you consistently
asking me,
818
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,960
"Can I have a copy of that?
Can I have a copy of that?"
819
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,120
There had been lots of rumour
and hearsay,
820
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,920
that's one thing, but actually
seeing the evidence
821
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,800
is something else altogether.
822
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,040
I wouldn't say that I slept
properly again for...
823
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:05,840
..a good year or two.
824
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:13,040
All this information went into
the investigative feature.
825
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:25,760
That meeting that Simon had
with his source was crucial.
826
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,280
I think that really elevates the
story from being a badly run company
827
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:34,880
to someone taking lots of money that
you're not necessarily entitled to.
828
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:41,320
Yes, private equity can help solve
some of humanity's biggest problems.
829
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,960
But in the Abraaj story, I was
presented with a lot of evidence
830
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:49,040
that it wasn't solving problems,
it was making problems.
831
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:09,360
We had written the story in October
2018 and nothing had happened.
832
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:13,760
We're hearing various rumours
about Arif being in Pakistan
833
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,760
meeting with Imran Khan.
834
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,280
I was Prime Minister then.
835
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:24,040
I began to realise that there
were some problems taking place
836
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:28,440
and I, of course, heard about these
problems from Arif's point of view.
837
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,280
Is this how finance works?
838
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:34,040
Someone can basically just
allegedly take a lot of money
839
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,400
and then nothing happens to them?
840
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:40,040
We didn't know that the
US Department of Justice
841
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,120
was preparing to pounce.
842
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,920
We got the shock of our lives
when we found
843
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,400
that he had been arrested
at Heathrow.
844
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:53,320
I was shocked with the US response.
845
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:14,440
The charges add up to
291 years in jail.
846
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:18,960
The US Government did not
want him to be granted bail.
847
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,800
His initial requests were rejected
848
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:26,880
until he offered ยฃ15 million,
849
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,360
which at the time
was the highest bail bond
850
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,280
ever requested and granted.
851
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,680
With the benefit of hindsight,
852
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,280
one always has 20/20 vision, right?
853
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,040
Would you do some things
differently? Of course you would.
854
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,120
Would you have different people
around you? Of course you would.
855
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,280
But to be told that I masterminded
a criminal conspiracy
856
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,520
and enterprise, that's just wrong,
857
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:53,200
and I categorically claim my
innocence from those charges.
858
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,920
I think criminal intent
859
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:02,760
is the most difficult thing
to prove in a court of law.
860
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,440
I'm still hoping, as I say,
that Arif has a last deal in him.
861
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:10,400
He is a deal-maker
and I hope he does it.
862
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:15,760
Since lawyers want to keep the whole
truth part for a legal podium,
863
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,360
but it'll certainly come out
and certainly come out over time.
864
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,040
At this point in time,
where I find myself
865
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,040
is that fear is feeding the anger.
866
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,280
Now my anger sits with me.
867
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,440
My fear sits with me.
868
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,440
It sits on...
869
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,040
..my sofa, my bedroom...
870
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,040
My ankle bracelet
is a constant reminder
871
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,040
that I'm facing extradition.
872
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:54,280
We can talk about Arif Naqvi
as long as we want.
873
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:58,160
Hopefully he'll get
whatever he deserves to get.
874
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,480
But it wasn't him alone.
875
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,600
His board of directors, you know...
876
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,520
..where the fuck were you?
877
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,360
You know? Because, ultimately...
878
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,680
I mean, I'm surprised
they haven't been sued.
879
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,600
I would sue them if I'd lost money.
880
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,400
Without the enabling elements
that surrounded him,
881
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,040
it wouldn't have been possible.
882
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,680
I'm one of those creditors.
I almost say it like I'm proud...
883
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,000
I'm one of those creditors.
Isn't that cool?
884
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,280
The real tragedy of what happened in
Abraaj is that hundreds of millions
885
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,040
of dollars that would have
otherwise gone to building
886
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,520
healthcare facilities that could
have a huge impact in the world
887
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:27,560
were lost or wasted on lawyers
unravelling the mess of Abraaj.
888
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:32,160
When CEOs are building something,
889
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,760
they can be very public about
what they're going to achieve.
890
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,280
When things collapse,
the truth disappears
891
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,480
unless journalists dig it out.
892
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,280
Financial firms usually are just
in the business of saying
893
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,040
they'll make investors rich.
894
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,320
Abraaj was in the business of saying
it could make investors rich
895
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,560
and help end poverty.
896
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:57,520
But the bigger the promise, the more
responsibility they're taking on.
897
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,760
I know what I've done in my life
898
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,280
but, more importantly, I know
what I've not done in my life.
899
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:10,040
And I am crystal clear
in front of my Maker
900
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:14,760
that I have never committed an
intentional act of criminality,
901
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:19,280
nor was I aware of any actions that
could have been perceived as such.
902
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:34,320
If you permit me...
This is emotional.
903
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,000
Thank you.
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