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[projector whirring]
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[typewriter bell dings]
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- 1939 was Hollywood's
most important year.
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- Hollywood in 1939 was when
the studios ran rampant.
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- They were factories.
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They were just humming.
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- There was "Gone with the
Wind," "Stagecoach,"
"Wuthering Heights,"
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and of course,
"The Wizard of Oz."
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1939 was the greatest year
in Hollywood history.
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- In this episode,
we go behind the scenes
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to reveal an illicit love
affair.
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- Larry and Vivien had to
keep their affair a secret,
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because if it had got out, it
would have been an absolute
scandal
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- They were in each other's
arms between every take
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making love.
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Larry was absolutely
exhausted by her demands.
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She was a very demanding
lady.
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- And uncover
an uncomfortable truth
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about golden-age Hollywood's
most successful film.
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- "Gone with the Wind"
is a race problem.
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It's bullshit.
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- There were toilets
for the white actors
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and toilets for the Black
actors.
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So segregation lived on that
set.
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- In the words of the stars,
and those who knew them best.
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- John Ford was very
difficult. He could be very
tough
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on you, thinking back on it.
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I was scared shitless.
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- They would be
saying in Navajo,
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you know,
this movie really sucks.
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John Ford is an asshole.
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[laughs]
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- On the eve of World War II,
delving into one of
Hollywood's darkest secre
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- They were still
trying to make movies
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that wouldn't offend Hitler.
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- [speaking German]
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- They were trying
to make movies that
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wouldn't offend Mussolini.
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- If you want to know the
truth about Hollywood,
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you need to understand 1939.
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- 1939 is everything that
Hollywood
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stood for, both good and bad.
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But it did produce gold.
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The energy of it all,
just breathtaking.
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[upbeat jazzy music]
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- Hollywood, mecca of the
motion picture industry.
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- In 1939, Hollywood
made over 500 films,
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generating an astonishing
$659 million at the box
office.
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- 1939 is really the golden
year of classical Hollywood.
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It was an absolutely
extraordinary year
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in terms of the number
of classic films
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that were produced in a
12-month period in Hollywood.
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It was the peak of
the Hollywood studio system,
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the peak of the greatest
iconic stars of the silver
screen.
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And it was the point at which
they just suddenly kind of hit
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their stride and produced just
one
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classic film after another.
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- 1939 is a culmination of so
much of what Hollywood had
done.
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All of that was providing
a staggering amount of work
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for an enormous number of
people.
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I always want to
go back and say,
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do you know how this
is peak Hollywood?
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โช โช
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And the great event of 1939
was ""Gone with the Wind.""
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- "Gone with the Wind" was
the most ambitious movie
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of Hollywood's golden age,
and its producer,
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David O. Selznick,
had everything
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riding on the film's success.
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- Selznick was everything you
imagine a producer should be.
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He was a publicist,
he was detail maniac.
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He was famous for
calling people up
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at 4:00 in the
morning because he'd
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had an idea about some tiny
detail
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of a fireplace or something,
you know, ridiculous.
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- Selznick was what today we
might call a control freak.
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He was just constantly firing
off memos and sending them
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to everybody all over
the set and saying,
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you know, you need to do
this, and you need to do
that.
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Selznick was not only a
compulsive memo writer,
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he was a compulsive gambler.
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And he basically
bet the farm on it,
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and he stood to lose
everything if "Gone with the
Wind"
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wasn't a success.
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But this was a gamble
that he was ready to take.
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- "Gone with the Wind" was
a tumultuous production
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right from the start.
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Filming had already been
delayed by two years
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because Selznick was
determined to secure
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Clark Gable for the lead
role.
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- Clark Gable and Carole
Lombard
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returned from Kingman,
Arizona, as Mr. and Mrs.
Clark Gable.
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This news means a good
many broken hearts
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all over the world.
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- Clark Gable was not
just a great star,
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he was the great star.
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He was known as the
King of Hollywood.
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- When Clark walked
into the forecourt,
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the police were
nearly overpowered.
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- In today's terms, he would
be kind of, you know,
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George Clooney
and Brad Pitt rolled into one.
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He was just the A-list star.
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Everybody thought that Clark
Gable should play Rhett
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Butler, except Clark Gable.
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There were various
elements of the character
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that Gable was particularly
uncomfortable with.
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He didn't much like the
idea of being the man
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who was chasing a woman.
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He was used to being the man
who the women were chasing.
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- This war has
stopped being a joke
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when a girl like
you doesn't know how
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to wear the latest fashion.
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- Rhett Butler was
a bit of a dandy,
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that he liked his
clothing, which was not
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a guy's thing in the 1930s.
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That he would be surrounded
by all these ladies in hoop
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skirts, and that he would
have to dance with them.
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- You do waltz divinely,
Captain Butler.
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- He just didn't
think it was for him,
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and of course, it would go on
to be the film that defined
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his career, that absolutely
kind of, you know,
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locked him into
iconic classic status.
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- But finding the perfect
actress to play Scarlett
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O'Hara was proving
impossible, and it
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was threatening to derail
the entire production.
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- The big question
very quickly became
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who was going to play
Scarlett O'Hara,
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who is this spoiled, vain,
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dreadful woman, really,
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but there's something
lovable about her.
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- Selznick screen-tested
some of the biggest
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actresses in Hollywood.
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- [inaudible].
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- But none of
their performances
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quite hit the mark.
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- It was very difficult to
cast.
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Almost every great
actress in Hollywood
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wanted to play the role.
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- I've been wondering where
you're keeping yourself.
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- Scarlett was a
very coveted role.
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They screen-tested
80 actresses.
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- I love you.
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- I'm in love with you, Ashley.
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- I love you.
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- The search was
really well-publicized.
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It had become this kind of PR
stunt, a bit like, you know,
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Cinderella's ball,
like the prince was
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going to try the slipper
on every single girl
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in the country.
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Selznick got to the
point where he was sure
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that he was failing, and he
sent one of his famous memos
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saying, I think this is
going to be the biggest
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failure of my career.
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And everybody is to
blame, including me.
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- As the search
continued, little
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did Selznick know that
his Scarlett O'Hara
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had just arrived in town.
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Vivien Leigh was an
up-and-coming British theater
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actress, unknown in Hollywood
except for the rumors
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that she was having
an adulterous affair
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with the new British
star, Laurence Olivier.
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- My father and
Vivien first met--
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it was she who engineered it.
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She was married to a very nice
lawyer called Leigh Holman,
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and she dragged him
to see Larry as Romeo,
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and afterwards they went
round to the dressing room.
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My papa was in his
vest and underwear
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taking his cream to
his face, and Vivien
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leaned over and planted
a kiss on his shoulder.
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And he saw her and fell
for her immediately.
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- Both told me separately
that when they saw each other,
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it was just
absolutely explosive.
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- Unguarded and intimate
shots of Laurence and
Vivien's
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early life together
were captured on film.
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- There's some rather
grainy homemade
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footage of Larry and Vivien
when they first fell in love.
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The way he ran
down to the pool.
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Everything they did was so
charged with that, whew!
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- Their early
relationship was brought
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together through acting as
lovers in "Fire Over England."
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- Dear and foolish.
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- Why foolish?
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- Very clever photography, with
the beautiful shafts of light.
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This is so real
that watching it,
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you feel a sense of intrusion.
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And being in each other's arms
for the camera was one thing,
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but it went far beyond that.
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They were in each other's
arms between every take,
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in their dressing rooms,
making love, to such an extent
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that Larry was absolutely
exhausted by her demands.
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She was a very demanding lady.
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My father and Vivien
had to cover up
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their illicit love affair
because
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of the prurience of Hollywood.
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- Hollywood was
very conservative,
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and Larry and Vivien had to
keep their affair a secret.
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Because if it had
got out, it would
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have been an absolute
scandal.
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- Vivien had come to
Hollywood for love,
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but she had an ulterior
motive.
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- Vivien followed
Larry to Hollywood
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because she wanted very
much to be with him,
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and she also wanted to
be there because they
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were casting Scarlett O'Hara.
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Selznick cast Clark Gable
as Rhett Butler, of course.
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That was at everybody's
insistence across America.
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They'd all read this book.
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And Vivien read it
and was determined,
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set her heart on it.
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- The making of "Gone with the
Wind" was in dire straits.
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Preproduction
costs were soaring,
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and David O. Selznick
had been forced
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to start filming before
they'd found an actress
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to play the crucial lead
role.
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- Before Scarlett
had been cast,
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they shot the
burning of Atlanta.
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And they did that
because the money
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people said, if it doesn't
begin by this date,
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the money is off.
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And so they had to do
it with understudies.
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- Part of the legend of the
making of "Gone with the Wind"
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is that the burning
of Atlanta, which
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is one of the major
spectacular set pieces of the
film,
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Selznick managed
to get permission
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to burn down the backlot
of "King Kong,"
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which is a movie he had worked
on.
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Obviously they had lots of
cameras to catch every angle,
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because they could
only do this once.
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So they weren't going
to do a reshoot.
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Olivier went with
Vivien Leigh to witness
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this astonishing sight.
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- Larry said, now look.
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I want you to stand on this
platform
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so you can see
everything going on.
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And David Selznick was there,
shouting at these people,
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do it this way, do it that way.
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And the fire was huge,
three, four stories high
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of flames and smoke.
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And Vivien was excited,
and Larry took David Selznick
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and said, I want you to meet
Vivien Leigh.
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Meet your Scarlett.
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And he could see.
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And he said,
I've got my Scarlett.
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That's no question.
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- It really was instant.
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He took one look at her
and said, yeah, this is it.
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And did the screen test, and
that just confirmed his
instinct.
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- Coming up,
at the heart of golden-age
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Hollywood's most famous film
lies an uncomfortable truth.
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- Could you tell me about "Gone
with the Wind's" race problem?
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- "Gone with the Wind"
is a race problem.
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"Gone with the Wind" is trash.
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It is racist propaganda.
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It's bullshit.
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- The actor who would become
Sir Laurence Olivier, darling
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of the British stage, was
relatively unknown when
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he came to Hollywood in 1939.
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But this wasn't
his first attempt
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to break into the movies.
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He'd tried and failed to
make a name for himself
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in Hollywood several
years earlier.
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- My father was a
big theater star.
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His Romeo was a
fantastic success,
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and his Hamlet had been
absolutely magnificent.
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But his first films were
dreadful, and I've seen them.
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Embarrassing.
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For example, "The Yellow
Ticket."
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He was in a small railway
carriage with this very
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attractive woman.
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- Um, I'm awfully sorry.
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- His eyes were always full
of emptiness, out of focus.
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He was a little bit wooden.
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His gestures were
slightly exaggerated.
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[laughs]
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- You're pretty
sharp, aren't you?
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- In 1939, Laurence Olivier
returned to Hollywood to have
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another shot at stardom.
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He'd been cast in
"Wuthering Heights,"
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and gave an imposing
performance as Heathcliff.
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- Go on!
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Shoot, you puling
chicken of a man
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with not enough blood in you
to keep your hands dirty.
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- But the aggression
of the character
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was reflected in Olivier's
difficult personality
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on the set.
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- Larry had more charm,
when he put it on,
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than anybody I've ever seen.
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But he was a man
on a short fuse.
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- Vivien told me that Larry,
on the set of "Wuthering
Heights,"
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was very, very difficult,
because ther
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was always that--
don't come too near.
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It was almost as
though he felt godlike,
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and he didn't want
anybody to cast a shadow
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on his godlike personality.
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- Did you like Larry?
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- No.
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I admired him.
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I admired him enormously,
but I didn't like him.
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- He didn't suffer fools at
all, and was easily bored.
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Diplomacy was not for him.
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- You'd be amazed at the scenes
between Merle and myself that
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took place, beneath that
heart-throbbing romance
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called "Wuthering Heights."
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You'd be amazed at the
temperament, and the spit,
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and the fury, and the passion.
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- Merle Oberon was
much better on screen
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than he was, to start with.
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- Heathcliff, when you
went away, what did you do?
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Where did you go?
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- There is a scene
in the film where
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they are sitting
on a crag, and she
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is dying to be close to him.
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The problem was that with
his enunciation, when it came
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to close-ups,
little bits of spit
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used to hit her in the face.
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- Cathy, you're not thinking
of that other world now?
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- And she complained about
that, understandably.
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And he lost his
temper and shouted
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and screamed and
yelled, and everybody
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left him sitting on a moor.
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And after a couple of days,
they got it together again.
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And it was-- it
worked very well.
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- Fill my arms with heather.
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All they can hold.
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Come on.
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- Cathy, you're still my queen!
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- I was very
snobby about films.
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I did them to make
money, and said so.
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The man who changed me
was the man I quarreled
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with most bitterly of
all, really, and that
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was William Wyler.
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- My father's acting
improved significantly
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because of the director.
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The death scene,
when Heathcliff
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carries Cathy to her
bed, William Wyler
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made him do 62 times.
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And at the end of each
time William Wyler
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just said, be better.
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- What do they know
of heaven or hell,
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Cathy, who know
nothing of life?
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- He speaks with soft,
soft, soft passion,
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and with a look of
such desperate tragedy.
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- Do not leave me
in this dark alone,
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where I cannot find you.
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- It's a tear-jerking moment.
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It was the first
really important
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part that he had played.
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He saw that this, by
God, would make him
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star number one, which it did.
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- Having won the lead role in
"Gone with the Wind,"
Laurence
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Olivier's secret
lover, Vivien Leigh,
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was on the cusp of
stardom herself.
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- Vivien told me that
she knew that part
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would absolutely make her.
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She said, there
were so many people
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that looked at me
with such, for want
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of a better word, hatred.
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And she said, it
took me a long time
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to realize it was the
dream of many, many people.
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- Right from the
very beginning,
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as the camera closes
in on her, you
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can see that she is Scarlett.
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- Fiddle-dee-dee.
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- Couldn't be
anybody else but her.
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- War, war, war.
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This war talk's spoiling
all the fun at every party
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this spring.
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I get so bored I could scream.
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- She's never far away
from giving a genteel,
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rather self-pleased giggle
about the situation,
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about her love of life.
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- There isn't going
to be any war.
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- Not going to be any war?
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- Why, honey, of course
there's going to be a war.
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- If either of you boys
says war just once again,
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I'll go in the house
and slam the door.
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- But Scarlett, honey!
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- Don't you want
us to have a war?
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- Wait a minute, Scarlett.
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Honey, please.
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- There is an
awful lot of Vivien
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in that role, no question.
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She got her way whenever she
really wanted to get her way.
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A well-known actress,
Judy Campbell,
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said about Vivien, what
Vivien wanted, she got.
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And she did, too.
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- With his Scarlett
O'Hara finally in place,
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David O. Selznick turned
his attention to casting
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the iconic role of Mammy.
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- I'm Kevin John Goff,
and Hattie McDaniel
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was my great-grand aunt.
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For the role of Mammy,
every Black actress
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showed up for that audition.
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Eleanor Roosevelt, the First
Lady of the United States,
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wanted her maid to
get the part and wrote
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a letter of recommendation.
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Hattie showed up in
actual full costume.
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Selznick and the
rest of the people,
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just they couldn't believe it.
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There are a couple
of scenes that
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they're-- they're performing
in the screen test.
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- Suck in.
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- One is where she's
pulling on a corset,
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and the other is helping
Vivien Leigh adjust her
dress.
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- Keep your shawl
on your shoulders.
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- She's doing these slight
movements and gestures
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with her body that stand out.
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She's moving her head
from side to side, showing
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that acerbic wit, that bite.
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- Ashley Wilkes told me
he liked to see a girl
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with a healthy appetite.
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- What gentlemen says
and what they thinks
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is two different things.
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And I ain't noticed Mr. Ashley
asking for to marry you.
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- When Selznick saw Hattie's
performance in the rushes,
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he was astonished.
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She turned out to be, in his
opinion, one of the strongest
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characters in the film.
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And this led him
to believe that she
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would be one of the great
Black performers in Hollywood.
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- With an extraordinary cast,
Selznick's Civil War epic
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was reaching new heights in
terms of scale and spectacle.
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- Maybe the most iconic
scene in "Gone with the Wind"
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is when Scarlett is
searching for the doctor
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among the Confederate
wounded at the train depot.
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The camera is
following her at first,
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and then it registers her
horror without showing
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you what she's seeing.
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And then the camera
starts to pan back,
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and it's on a crane, which
means that it can keep
pulling
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back, but also pulling up.
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You realize that
she is surrounded
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by thousands and
thousands of wounded
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and dying and dead soldiers.
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In order to get the scale
that they were looking for,
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they couldn't even afford
to hire enough actors.
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And so they interspersed
actors with dummies
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so that they could just get
the sheer number of bodies.
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Her figure gets
smaller and smaller
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until she's actually
wiped out by the scale of
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the devastation to humanity.
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And all that you see, then,
waving in the foreground,
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is the Confederate battle
flag.
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- Surprisingly to
modern audiences,
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"Gone with the Wind" tells
the story of the American
Civil
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War from the perspective of
the Confederates, who went
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to war to defend
slave-owning.
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- History is meant to be
written by the victors.
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And so it is a very, very weird
thing that "Gone with the Wind"
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is made, and it's
so sympathetic.
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It seems so sympathetic
to the Confederacy.
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The way in which it treats
the plantation South as being
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a perfect, gentle,
elegant society
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is so different
from the reality.
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"Gone with the Wind" becomes
a preferred way of thinking
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about the American past.
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- Many people think of
classic Hollywood films
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as nostalgic,
harmless, innocent fun.
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And unfortunately,
these films can
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be quite difficult for
some communities to watch.
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- Excuse me, Mr. Rhett.
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- It's important to understand
that what is referred
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to as the golden
age of Hollywood
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is an era in which
racism was rampant.
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- Could you tell me about "Gone
with the Wind's" race problem?
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- [chuckles]
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"Gone with the Wind"
is a race problem.
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"Gone with the Wind" is trash.
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It is racist propaganda.
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It's bullshit.
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- Even by classic Hollywood
standards, "Gone with the Wind"
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has some shocking
racial representations.
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As a person of
color, you almost
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have to distance
yourself from the film
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in order to get through it.
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It's an ordeal.
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[dramatic music]
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The use of Technicolor
is particularly powerful
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when it comes to depicting the
slaves working in the fields.
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Shots of enslaved
African-Americans
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are bathed in glorious
Technicolor light.
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These aren't gritty
images of people
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working and getting dirty.
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These are incredibly romantic,
almost glamorized images.
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[bell ringing]
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- Quitting time!
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- Who says it's quitting time?
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- I said it's quitting time.
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- I's the foreman.
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I's the one says when it's
quitting time at Tara.
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Quitting time!
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- The tension between the
film's famous,
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00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:52,600
beautiful images and the harsh,
brutal realities of slavery
496
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,840
are especially clear in the
shocking scene when we see
497
00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,040
young, white Southern
belles enjoying
498
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:04,719
their peaceful afternoon nap,
whilst little Black girls are
499
00:22:04,799 --> 00:22:09,159
fanning them with
giant peacock feathers.
500
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,680
Like so many scenes
in "Gone with the Wind,"
501
00:22:11,759 --> 00:22:14,479
the grim realities
of Black slave labor
502
00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:18,799
are glossed over, glamorized,
romanticized by the lighting
503
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:24,480
and beauty of the setting.
504
00:22:24,559 --> 00:22:27,279
- "Gone with the Wind," it's a
representation of the desire
505
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:33,119
to see Black people
subordinate to white people,
506
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,720
relative to this lost cause
narrative about the Civil War
507
00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:39,359
and its aftermath.
508
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,960
It's considered an American
classic, but how can you
509
00:22:43,039 --> 00:22:45,159
embrace this film
without embracing
510
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:45,760
the racism inherent to it?
511
00:22:45,839 --> 00:22:49,039
That's impossible.
512
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,319
- Although the film was
depicting an event that took
513
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,160
place 70 years
earlier, the racism
514
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,560
on screen was still
a daily reality
515
00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,560
for African-Americans in
1939.
516
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,320
- 1939, you're talking
in between the Great
517
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:04,960
Depression and World War II.
518
00:23:05,039 --> 00:23:06,799
Black people were
still being hung.
519
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,160
There were certain
parts of towns
520
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:09,680
that you couldn't go into.
521
00:23:09,759 --> 00:23:13,919
So of course segregation
lived on that set.
522
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,240
There were toilets
for the white actors,
523
00:23:16,319 --> 00:23:19,199
and toilets for
the Black actors.
524
00:23:19,279 --> 00:23:23,199
There was a point in the film,
during the shooting, where
525
00:23:23,279 --> 00:23:25,239
the Black actors were
protesting because
526
00:23:25,319 --> 00:23:27,079
of the segregated toilets.
527
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,040
And Clark Gable eventually
stepped in and said, look,
528
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,999
everyone's going to use the
same bathroom facilities.
529
00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:34,559
- The making of
"Gone with the Wind"
530
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,280
caused enormous controversy
in the Black community,
531
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,959
and there was strong
criticism of the Black actors
532
00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:42,599
appearing in the film.
533
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,160
- Hattie's participation
in "Gone with the Wind"
534
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,240
was met with a
lot of negativity
535
00:23:47,319 --> 00:23:48,759
from the Black press.
536
00:23:48,839 --> 00:23:50,839
They felt that the
film was definitely
537
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,680
stereotypical and wasn't
showing the Black person
538
00:23:53,759 --> 00:23:55,799
in the best light.
539
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,560
There were some
things in that book
540
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,720
that were troubling for her,
and she wanted to make sure
541
00:23:59,799 --> 00:24:01,359
that her character, in
the way she portrayed it,
542
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,600
had some dignity, and it
wasn't one-dimensional.
543
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,840
One of her famous quotes was,
I'd rather make $700
544
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:12,080
playing a maid than $7 being
one.
545
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,040
The Mammy character
was supposed
546
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,239
to be a little more
subservient, low-key,
547
00:24:17,319 --> 00:24:20,519
yes ma'am, no ma'am
type of character.
548
00:24:20,599 --> 00:24:22,959
Hattie flipped the
script on that.
549
00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:24,719
From the very first moment that
Hattie appears in the film,
550
00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:27,079
she makes her presence known.
551
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,000
- Miss Scarlett!
552
00:24:29,079 --> 00:24:30,199
Where are you going without
your shawl, and the night
553
00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:31,559
air fixing to set in?
554
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,200
- She has that
voice, boisterous,
555
00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:37,119
perfect voice, the pitch,
the power behind it.
556
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,960
- Miss Scarlett,
come on in the house.
557
00:24:40,039 --> 00:24:42,039
Come on in before you catch
your death of dampness.
558
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,799
- No, I'm going to
wait for Pa to come
559
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:44,960
home from the Wilkes's.
560
00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:47,519
- You could just
feel that almost
561
00:24:47,599 --> 00:24:49,479
mother-daughter, scolding
kind of a relationship
562
00:24:49,559 --> 00:24:50,479
between them.
563
00:24:50,559 --> 00:24:52,959
- Come on!
564
00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:54,959
Mm, mm, mm.
565
00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:57,479
- Hattie's offscreen
friendship with Clark Gable
566
00:24:57,559 --> 00:25:00,039
actually went back years
before "Gone with the Wind."
567
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,479
Hattie would throw parties.
568
00:25:01,559 --> 00:25:03,079
Clark Gable would be there.
569
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,000
I don't think he ever
missed any of her parties.
570
00:25:04,079 --> 00:25:05,919
- Have a drink
of sherry, Mammy.
571
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,960
- There's a very
endearing scene
572
00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:09,679
in "Gone with the Wind"
between Rhett and Mammy,
573
00:25:09,759 --> 00:25:12,119
and he offers her a drink.
574
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,240
But Clark Gable decided
that on one of the takes
575
00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:18,839
he would replace the tea,
or the colored water,
576
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:19,840
with whiskey.
577
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,320
- Have another glass.
578
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,240
- So when they did
that take, and she
579
00:25:23,319 --> 00:25:26,199
took a swig of that whiskey,
it burned her throat.
580
00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:29,119
I'm sure her eyes got big, and
she was just thrown off-guard.
581
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,480
And I'm sure Clark Gable had
the biggest laugh on the set.
582
00:25:31,559 --> 00:25:33,679
- Mr. Rhett, you is bad.
583
00:25:33,759 --> 00:25:35,319
- There are several scenes
throughout the film where
584
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,200
Hattie's showing
different ranges,
585
00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:39,319
but there's one particular
scene where she's showing
586
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,560
some true raw emotion,
when she's going
587
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:42,600
up the stairs with Melanie.
588
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:48,560
- It's Mr. Rhett
I was worried about.
589
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,240
He done lost his mind
these last couple of days.
590
00:25:51,319 --> 00:25:53,359
- Rhett Butler's character
is distraught over the loss
591
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,920
of his daughter Bonnie, and
you can see how the camera
592
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,000
is following Hattie.
593
00:25:57,079 --> 00:25:59,159
She's the main focus.
594
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:00,880
- But he wouldn't
even open the door
595
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,680
when Miss Scarlett beat
on it and hollered to him,
596
00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:04,759
and that's the way it's
been for two whole days.
597
00:26:04,839 --> 00:26:06,279
- Oh, Mammy!
598
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:07,559
- Those tears are real.
599
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,000
This wasn't something
she was just
600
00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:11,159
merely reading off a script.
601
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,240
The emotion, it's raw.
602
00:26:13,319 --> 00:26:16,559
It's genuine.
603
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,600
- Lord.
604
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,200
- She was drawing from energy
from her life, from her past,
605
00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:23,279
from her upbringing.
606
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:24,639
That moment is very powerful,
and it's one of the strongest
607
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,040
moments in the film.
608
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,519
- Coming up, for
one of its stars,
609
00:26:29,599 --> 00:26:32,959
the pressures of filming
were taking their toll.
610
00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:35,159
- During the making
of "Gone with the Wind,"
611
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,200
Vivien Leigh actually
had a breakdown.
612
00:26:38,279 --> 00:26:39,759
It was all too much.
613
00:26:39,839 --> 00:26:43,479
- And even when Hattie became
the first Black woman ever
614
00:26:43,559 --> 00:26:46,559
nominated for an Oscar, she
still faced appalling racism
615
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,720
from Hollywood.
616
00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:51,519
- Selznick had to
call in a favor
617
00:26:51,599 --> 00:26:54,799
to get her into the Ambassador
Hotel at the Cocoanut Grove,
618
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,000
and she had to sit in
the back of the room.
619
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:03,120
- Towards the end of 1939,
after 11 grueling months,
620
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,440
production on "Gone with the
Wind" was coming to an end.
621
00:27:05,519 --> 00:27:08,599
- Over the course of the
making of "Gone with the Wind,"
622
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,520
everybody's tempers
frayed very badly.
623
00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:14,719
It was a difficult production,
and they went through around
624
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:16,599
15 screenwriters.
625
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,600
They also went through
four directors.
626
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,120
- Producer David O.
Selznick's control
627
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,640
freakery was pushing the
entire cast and crew over the
edge.
628
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,000
- Everybody was
losing their temper
629
00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:29,879
left, right, and center,
including Selznick.
630
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,720
He was manically
attentive to detail.
631
00:27:33,799 --> 00:27:36,559
He absolutely cared about
every aspect of the film.
632
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:41,120
And he was controlling the
director, and the script,
633
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,120
and the actors,
and the production,
634
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,600
and the look, and the
costumes, and everything.
635
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,760
It was driving everybody nuts.
636
00:27:50,839 --> 00:27:52,119
Selznick and Gable
didn't get off
637
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,440
to a good start, because
Selznick, in his very
638
00:27:54,519 --> 00:27:57,359
characteristic way, sent
Gable this enormously
639
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,200
long memo telling him how he
needed to play Rhett Butler.
640
00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:02,999
Gable was the biggest
star in the world.
641
00:28:03,079 --> 00:28:03,719
He wasn't going to be
told by the producer
642
00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:05,399
how to play a part.
643
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,120
And he'd already had to
be persuaded to do it,
644
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,000
and it offended him mightily.
645
00:28:10,079 --> 00:28:12,759
And from that point things
just went from bad to worse.
646
00:28:12,839 --> 00:28:15,559
By the time the film
premiered, Selznick and Gable
weren't
647
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,240
really speaking to each
other.
648
00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:20,319
- Selznick was
particularly concerned
649
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,000
that news of Laurence
Olivier and Vivien Leigh's
650
00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:26,239
illicit love affair would
make it into the gossip
columns,
651
00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:30,679
and he encouraged
Laurence to leave town.
652
00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:34,159
- David Selznick was terribly
worried that they might
653
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,120
be found out as being lovers.
654
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,920
They were both married
to other people.
655
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,400
If the affair had
become public,
656
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,280
it would have reduced the
appeal of the film no end.
657
00:28:44,359 --> 00:28:47,759
And so they had to be kept
secret, secret, secret.
658
00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:52,759
- She really adored him,
and to be separated from him
659
00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:55,959
in Hollywood must have been
absolute agony, because she
660
00:28:56,039 --> 00:28:57,239
was very, very young.
661
00:28:57,319 --> 00:28:59,159
- For Vivien, the
pressure of filming
662
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,240
and living apart
from Laurence was
663
00:29:02,319 --> 00:29:04,199
beginning to take its toll.
664
00:29:04,279 --> 00:29:07,639
- Playing Scarlett
O'Hara took every ounce
665
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,000
of creative energy.
666
00:29:10,079 --> 00:29:11,919
It took every ounce out of her.
667
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,120
She felt completely drained.
668
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,080
- Vivien was very
hard-working.
669
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,200
It was a huge part.
670
00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:19,559
She's never off screen.
671
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,280
It took three months.
672
00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:22,919
Normal shooting would be
less than half that time.
673
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,200
And it was exhausting
to such an extent
674
00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:27,279
that when it was finished,
David Selznick wanted
675
00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:30,839
to have a few of the
earlier shots done again,
676
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,080
Scarlett when she was 18,
677
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,680
she put on those clothes again,
and David just took one look
678
00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:38,799
at her and said, silly idea.
679
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,400
Forget it.
680
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,680
Because those months
of extremely hard work
681
00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:46,199
had shown on her face.
682
00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:50,239
It was no longer as
pretty and innocent,
683
00:29:50,319 --> 00:29:52,119
and would never be again.
684
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,480
- During the making
of "Gone with the Wind,"
685
00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:57,519
Vivien Leigh actually
had a breakdown.
686
00:29:57,599 --> 00:30:00,439
It was all too much.
687
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:03,599
- David Selznick telephoned
Larry saying, for God's sake,
688
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:04,960
get your ass over here.
689
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:06,759
Vivien needs your company.
690
00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:08,439
Please come, it's desperate.
691
00:30:08,519 --> 00:30:12,399
And so Larry went there
for three or four days,
692
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,360
and she was behaving
extraordinarily
693
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,440
badly to people on set.
694
00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:20,759
Vivien developed what was
then called manic depression.
695
00:30:20,839 --> 00:30:23,759
It's now called bipolar,
nervous breakdowns,
696
00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:25,639
which Larry could predict.
697
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,240
There was a rhythm with
this manic, manic energy,
698
00:30:28,319 --> 00:30:30,559
and then she'd have
a nervous breakdown.
699
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:31,400
Shocking.
700
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,200
People didn't talk about it.
701
00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:34,399
They used the word sick.
702
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:39,400
And at that time,
there was no cure.
703
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,440
- Even though Vivien
was emotionally
704
00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:43,399
exhausted when "Gone with the
Wind" w released--
705
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,080
- For the event all
Dixie, indeed all America,
706
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,640
has been waiting for, the
world premiere of the film
707
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,160
of "Gone with the Wind."
708
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,640
- --she was propelled into
global stardom overnight.
709
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,120
- At the premiere of
"Gone with the Wind,"
710
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,080
Vivien did tell me that she
felt absolute terror,
711
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,320
triumph and terror.
712
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:03,840
TNT.
713
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,960
- Margaret Mitchell's famous
novel comes to the screen,
714
00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:08,679
with Vivien Leigh as
Atlanta's Scarlett O'Hara.
715
00:31:08,759 --> 00:31:12,119
- She said, I had emotions
that I think very, very
716
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,080
few people have in a
lifetime.
717
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,920
She said, I was given
an experience that
718
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,840
is rare in my field of work.
719
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,320
I was suddenly world-famous.
720
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,400
- Now that I'm here, it feels
just as if I were coming home.
721
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:28,960
And the warmth and kindness
of your wonderful welcome
722
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:30,719
have made it the
happiest homecoming
723
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:33,679
I could possibly imagine.
724
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:36,439
I greet you, and I want to
thank you with all my heart.
725
00:31:36,519 --> 00:31:37,959
- She was the
center of attention.
726
00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:40,359
She knew it was the
role of her life,
727
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,120
and I think she must have
felt absolutely thrilled.
728
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,560
- But there was a glaring
absence at the premiere.
729
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,520
- Hattie was not
invited, along with
730
00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:50,359
the other Black
performers, to the premiere
731
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:51,520
of "Gone with the Wind."
732
00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:54,039
The reason was because
of the Jim Crow laws.
733
00:31:54,119 --> 00:31:57,239
Segregation was a living,
breathing thing in the South,
734
00:31:57,319 --> 00:31:59,359
and Hattie's image was
removed from the program.
735
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,640
Considering that she was
one of the main characters
736
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,200
in the film, that's quite
a humiliating and
737
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:09,279
demeaning thing.
738
00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:12,679
Hattie's performance went
down really well at the
premiere,
739
00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:14,679
and the mayor of Atlanta
singled her out for praise,
740
00:32:14,759 --> 00:32:17,839
and the crowd erupted.
741
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,600
And afterwards,
Margaret Mitchell
742
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,760
sent a telegram
saying to Hattie,
743
00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:25,719
you should have been there,
the applause was incredible.
744
00:32:25,799 --> 00:32:27,959
And for Hattie,
receiving that telegram
745
00:32:28,039 --> 00:32:33,039
had to be a very
bitter pill to swallow.
746
00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:35,719
- "Gone with the Wind"
was an enormous critical
747
00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:37,359
and financial success.
748
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,480
- The gala premiere
of "Gone with the Wind,"
749
00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:40,959
now in the exciting
new medium of
750
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:44,479
70-millimeter widescreen and
full stereophonic sound.
751
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:47,759
- The film was
nominated for 13 Oscars,
752
00:32:47,839 --> 00:32:50,919
with nods for David O.
Selznick and Vivien Leigh.
753
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,240
And Hattie McDaniel, after
petitioning Selznick to put
754
00:32:54,319 --> 00:32:57,079
her forward, received
the first nomination for
755
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,560
a Black performer in history.
756
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,200
- By the time "Gone with the
Wind" was released,
757
00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:05,359
Selznick's control freakery
was completely vindicated.
758
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,520
It was an enormous success.
759
00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:12,239
- It made money like no other
film had up until that point.
760
00:33:12,319 --> 00:33:13,919
Many, many people go to see
it.
761
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,440
But also, they charge
extra for the tickets.
762
00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:19,399
It costs $1 to go and see
it, rather than a quarter.
763
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,640
The first year "Gone with the
Wind" wa release,
764
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,520
it made something
like $18 million.
765
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:28,559
And at this time, a
big hit was $5 million.
766
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,000
So it was a success that
was really off the scale.
767
00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:35,039
- When adjusted for
inflation, it is still the
most
768
00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:37,519
successful movie of all time.
769
00:33:37,599 --> 00:33:39,039
It broke all box
office records,
770
00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:41,839
and David O.
Selznick carried home
771
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,360
his Oscar for Best Picture.
772
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:44,880
- 1939.
773
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,320
The Academy Dinner.
774
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,720
- Enthusiastic
reports from the time
775
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:51,359
show just how delighted
David O. Selznick
776
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:52,840
and Vivien Leigh were.
777
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,600
- Scarlett O'Hara,
her glorious self.
778
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,720
Vivien Leigh, escorted by
producer David Selznick.
779
00:33:57,799 --> 00:34:01,639
- The moment Vivien won
the Oscar, the feeling
780
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:02,640
was overwhelming.
781
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,560
- Miss Vivien Leigh.
782
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,160
- Vivien gave a gracious and
moving acceptance speech.
783
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,839
- Please forgive me if my words
are inadequate in thanking you
784
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,680
for your very great kindness.
785
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,400
If I were to mention all
those who've shown me
786
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,360
such wonderful generosity
through "Gone with the Wind,"
787
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,280
I should have to entertain
you with an oration
788
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,000
as long as "Gone with the Wind"
itself
789
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:27,559
- And when she thanked the
man who gave her the part,
790
00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:32,559
it was clear how much she
credited him for her success.
791
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:35,959
- So if I may, I should
like to devote my thanks
792
00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:40,039
on this occasion to that
composite figure of energy,
793
00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:42,239
courage, and very
great kindness
794
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,800
in whom all points of
"Gone with the Wind" meet,
795
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,400
Mr. David Selznick.
796
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,480
- Vivien got the Oscar
for Scarlett O'Hara,
797
00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:52,959
and Larry did not get
the Oscar for Heathcliff.
798
00:34:53,039 --> 00:34:56,959
- The one feeling that
Laurence Olivier had when
Vivien won
799
00:34:57,039 --> 00:34:59,199
the Oscar was deep
resentment.
800
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,920
Because Larry was
manic to be number one.
801
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,800
He wasn't a sharer.
802
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,120
- And when they were
driving away, he said--
803
00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:08,839
to me, it's not been
written about-- he
804
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,320
said he was so jealous, he
simply couldn't bear it.
805
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,400
And he held her Oscar,
and it was all he could
806
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,840
do to restrain himself from--
807
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,400
anyway.
808
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,480
He was very jealous,
indeed, as a character.
809
00:35:21,559 --> 00:35:25,719
He didn't like to be competed
with on stage or on screen.
810
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,000
He always had to be
number one, which was one
811
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:30,719
reason he became number one.
812
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,320
- That was part of
what destroyed him.
813
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,920
It made him, but it
also destroyed him.
814
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,680
It made Vivien, but
it also destroyed her.
815
00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:46,639
- Hattie McDaniel's Oscar
night was an entirely
816
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,479
different experience.
817
00:35:48,559 --> 00:35:52,159
- When she went to the
Academy Award presentation,
818
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,399
she was seated separate
from the white actors
819
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:56,880
in the film, which, you
know, speaks to the fact
820
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,120
that she's not
considered an equal.
821
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:03,039
- Selznick had to
call it a favor
822
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:06,039
to get her into the
Ambassador Hotel, at the
Cocoanut Grove,
823
00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:07,839
and she had to sit in
the back of the room
824
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,720
with her escort and her agent.
825
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:10,880
- For a contemporary
audience, I mean, that
826
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,880
seems particularly egregious.
827
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,840
But that was common.
828
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,520
That was not the
exception in 1939, 1940.
829
00:36:20,599 --> 00:36:21,799
That was the norm.
830
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,880
- So she's sitting in
the back of the room,
831
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,440
she's nervous about the
moment, and they called her
name.
832
00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:29,559
- To Hattie McDaniel.
833
00:36:29,639 --> 00:36:32,439
[applause]
834
00:36:32,519 --> 00:36:35,239
- And she strolled up
there majestically,
835
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,040
and from the first word
in her acceptance speech
836
00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:39,759
you can hear the
quiver in her voice.
837
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:40,640
She's already choked up.
838
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,719
She's already in tears.
839
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,600
- Academy of Motion
Picture Arts and Science,
840
00:36:47,679 --> 00:36:49,639
fellow members of the
motion picture industry,
841
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,399
and honored guests.
842
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,880
This is one of the happiest
moments of my life.
843
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,280
And I want to thank
each one of you who
844
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,120
had a part in selecting
me for one of the awards.
845
00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:02,799
For your kindness, it has made
me feel very, very humble.
846
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,880
- It brings a
combination of pain and--
847
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,960
and-- and joy, for
what she went through.
848
00:37:11,039 --> 00:37:13,559
Even though she had to sit
at the back of the room,
849
00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:15,759
she gets through that speech.
850
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,120
My heart pulls from many
different directions
851
00:37:18,199 --> 00:37:20,079
because of that.
852
00:37:20,159 --> 00:37:23,159
- I sincerely hope I shall
always be a credit to my race
853
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,439
and to the motion
picture industry.
854
00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:28,199
My heart is too full to
tell you just how I feel.
855
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,000
And may I say thank
you, and God bless you.
856
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:34,039
[applause]
857
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,240
- She's the first Black person
to win an Academy Award.
858
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:49,240
It would be many years
before a second Black person
859
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:50,960
would win an Academy Award.
860
00:37:51,039 --> 00:37:53,199
To have a Black person
recognized in this way
861
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,960
is significant, but
at the same time,
862
00:37:57,039 --> 00:38:00,119
it's a situation where
you're kind of weighing
863
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:04,759
the personal
advancement and success
864
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,440
of Hattie McDaniel against the
problematic nature of the
865
00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:09,959
role itself.
866
00:38:10,039 --> 00:38:13,239
- I'm grateful that she
still has a place in history.
867
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:14,760
She's still being talked about.
868
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,360
She's still relevant.
869
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,320
There's still lessons
to be learned from--
870
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,680
from her story, from her life.
871
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,280
She was trying to make
nuanced moves, as far as
advancing
872
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,040
the Black performer.
873
00:38:26,119 --> 00:38:27,279
And I think this film,
because it was the biggest
874
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,800
film at the time,
was a perfect place
875
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,920
to start, as far as
laying a foundation-- even
876
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,160
a small little
victories-- as far
877
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,679
as the Black person, how
they should be treated,
878
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,800
and how they should be viewed.
879
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,719
- Coming up, Hollywood's
most belligerent director
880
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,720
reinvents the Western.
881
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,440
- Where do you think that
short fuse came from?
882
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:55,639
- Family trait.
883
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,479
If you think he's bad,
you don't know me.
884
00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:02,359
[laughs] Many of the men in
my family are cantankerous.
885
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,200
Many of the men in my
family have short fuses.
886
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:10,360
Many of the men in my
family are assholes.
887
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:15,119
- In 1939, Hollywood's
most celebrated director,
888
00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:17,919
John Ford, was about to
make a film that would
889
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,960
change cinematic history.
890
00:39:21,039 --> 00:39:23,319
- What's notable
about 1939 is not just
891
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:24,840
they were great films,
but they were great films
892
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,680
by great directors.
893
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,520
Some of the greatest
directors in Hollywood history
894
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:31,039
were making movies at that
time, including, of course,
895
00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:36,039
John Ford, one of the
greatest film artists who
ever lived.
896
00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:37,039
- Two cameras?
897
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:38,759
Jesus Christ.
898
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,600
Am I looking at you or am
I looking at the camera?
899
00:39:41,679 --> 00:39:42,639
- You're looking at me.
900
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,599
- OK.
- [inaudible]
901
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:47,079
- Who was John Ford?
902
00:39:47,159 --> 00:39:48,679
In our family, you
know, he was God.
903
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,600
He was the king.
904
00:39:51,679 --> 00:39:56,559
But to the larger
community, he was respected,
905
00:39:56,639 --> 00:39:59,519
if not always liked.
906
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:00,719
- To this day, he's
probably the most honored
907
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:05,480
director in American pictures.
908
00:40:05,559 --> 00:40:07,999
He won, I think, six Oscars.
909
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:09,639
I was asking Orson
Welles who was the best
910
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,519
director he had worked with.
911
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:14,879
Best directors are John Ford,
John Ford, and John Ford.
912
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,320
With Ford at his
best, you get a sense
913
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,120
of what the Earth is made of.
914
00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:23,239
- In 1939, his breakout year,
he made four very successful
915
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,400
movies all in succession.
916
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,360
I can't name a director who
has had such a good year.
917
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,480
- John Ford's biggest film
of 1939 was "Stagecoach,"
918
00:40:33,559 --> 00:40:38,079
but for an A-list director
like him, making a Western
919
00:40:38,159 --> 00:40:39,439
was a strange choice.
920
00:40:39,519 --> 00:40:44,199
- Westerns had been so
done in the silent era
921
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,840
that a lot of people were
just kind of tired of them.
922
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:48,800
They were very
popular with kids,
923
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,560
and they were very popular
with-- with a rural, less
924
00:40:51,639 --> 00:40:52,719
sophisticated
audience, and they were
925
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,440
looked down on by Hollywood.
926
00:40:56,519 --> 00:40:58,079
With the development
of sound, Westerns
927
00:40:58,159 --> 00:41:00,919
were relegated to B-movies.
928
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,400
My father Pat had found this
short story called "A Stage
929
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,240
to Lordsburg," and he
said to my grandfather
930
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:09,720
at the dinner table,
I think this would
931
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,760
make a pretty good movie.
932
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,920
So my grandfather read it,
and he said, I think you're
right.
933
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,320
- In 1939, John Ford
introduced the world to a
little-known
934
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,480
actor called John Wayne.
935
00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:24,359
- John Wayne was born with
the name of Marion Morrison.
936
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,600
Now you know, if your
name is Marion Morrison,
937
00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:28,679
you're going to
change your name.
938
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,880
[horses whinnying]
939
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,640
- Hold it!
940
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,719
- The introduction to
John Wayne in "Stagecoach"
941
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,120
is a very unusual shot
for Ford, actually.
942
00:41:38,199 --> 00:41:40,759
The camera moves
in from a medium
943
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,640
long shot to a close-up.
944
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,479
- And it's out of focus, too.
945
00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:46,799
And his cameraman
told him, he said,
946
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,360
you know, I think I lost
focus on that, Jack.
947
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:50,960
I think we ought
to do it again.
948
00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:52,039
He said, no, leave it.
949
00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:53,799
You know, it-- it--
950
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:54,960
people will notice it more.
951
00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:57,919
Most directors would
have reshot it.
952
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,640
- Hello, Curley.
953
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,319
- It's announcing, this
is going to be a big star,
954
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,160
and this is his
introduction, and all
955
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,439
the rest of the shit he's
done so far doesn't count.
956
00:42:06,519 --> 00:42:07,479
This is it.
957
00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:08,999
- Hiya, Buck.
958
00:42:09,079 --> 00:42:10,959
How's your folks?
959
00:42:11,039 --> 00:42:13,119
- Wayne worked on a lot of Ford
films at Fox as a prop man,
960
00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:16,719
as a crew member,
as a stunt man.
961
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,000
He was pretty well-known
in the B-movie world.
962
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:20,719
And he was good-looking.
963
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,160
He was a ladies' man.
964
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:24,799
He was a man's man.
965
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,600
But nobody thought he
was a serious actor.
966
00:42:27,679 --> 00:42:30,559
- Wayne was stuck
doing cheap, low-budget
967
00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:32,519
Westerns for almost a decade.
968
00:42:32,599 --> 00:42:36,119
And I think Ford saw that
he had potential as a star.
969
00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:37,719
[dramatic music]
970
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,360
And when Ford came
to make "Stagecoach,"
971
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:41,960
he decided he wanted
to use John Wayne.
972
00:42:42,039 --> 00:42:43,759
And the studio, the
producer, didn't
973
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,360
want him to use Wayne at all.
974
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:46,200
But Ford insisted.
975
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,760
- That's what "Stagecoach" did.
976
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,840
It showed him he could
take the next step.
977
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,720
- Take it easy, Gatewood.
978
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,000
- Wayne became the biggest
Western star in the world,
979
00:42:55,079 --> 00:42:57,799
actually, but it took a
while.
980
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,200
- "Stagecoach" might have
catapulted John Wayne
981
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,480
into stardom, but
working with a director
982
00:43:03,559 --> 00:43:06,799
like John Ford
wasn't always easy.
983
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,840
- John Ford's
approach to filmmaking
984
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,720
was simplicity, KISS,
keep it simple, stupid.
985
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:18,000
Know what you want, be on
time, shoot it, move on.
986
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:19,319
- I was just a kid.
987
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,240
I'd never been on
the set before.
988
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,280
He was very difficult. He
could be very tough on you.
989
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,640
He was intimidating, to say
the least, thinking back on it.
990
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,399
I was scared shitless.
991
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,080
- Where do you think that
short fuse came from?
992
00:43:33,159 --> 00:43:35,319
- Family trait.
993
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,360
If you think he's bad,
you don't know me.
994
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:42,280
[laughs] Many of the men in
my family are cantankerous.
995
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,200
Many of the men in my
family have short fuses.
996
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:51,280
Many of the men in my family...
997
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,600
are assholes.
998
00:43:54,679 --> 00:43:56,039
Ford could be
rough, particularly
999
00:43:56,119 --> 00:43:58,999
with a young action
guy like John
1000
00:43:59,079 --> 00:44:02,959
Wayne, who was not
well-trained in, you know,
1001
00:44:03,039 --> 00:44:05,119
the theatrical arts.
1002
00:44:05,199 --> 00:44:06,759
Ford would taunt Wayne.
1003
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,800
He says, oh, can't you
walk like a cowboy?
1004
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,160
You're skipping like a fairy.
1005
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,079
What are you doing?
1006
00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:14,799
You know, when you grab the
woman, you know, grab her.
1007
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,720
Don't grab her like
you're afraid of her,
1008
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,200
grab her like you love her.
1009
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,160
- John Ford's difficult
personality was also
1010
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:24,879
putting him at odds
with the studio
1011
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,880
who were paying for the film.
1012
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,240
To keep his production away
from studio interference,
1013
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,560
Ford decided to shoot
at a location 500 miles
1014
00:44:35,639 --> 00:44:37,719
away from Hollywood,
in a desert
1015
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,760
1,500 meters above sea level.
1016
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,080
- "Stagecoach" was the first
film shot in Monument Valley.
1017
00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:46,519
[dramatic music]
1018
00:44:46,599 --> 00:44:48,719
And "Stagecoach" has some
wonderful scenes there.
1019
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,360
It's visually stunning.
1020
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:52,400
It's very majestic.
1021
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:53,600
It's very open.
1022
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:56,759
It's very unique.
1023
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,240
- It's an
extraordinary location.
1024
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,000
He did about seven films
in Monument Valley.
1025
00:45:01,079 --> 00:45:02,919
- Ford liked it because
he could go there
1026
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,880
and nobody would bother him.
1027
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,640
He's in control.
1028
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,959
Nobody had ever used it
because it's so hard to get to.
1029
00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:12,759
It's one of the most remote
places in the United States.
1030
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,280
- "Stagecoach" features one
of the most impressive
1031
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,800
chase scenes in film
history, which set the bar
1032
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,360
for all future Westerns.
1033
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,320
- The climax of "Stagecoach" is
an extraordinary Indian attack
1034
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:29,200
on the stagecoach as it
races across the plain.
1035
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,920
It's done at great
speed and at great risk,
1036
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:37,280
and it has wonderful stunts,
and it has wonderful falls,
1037
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,120
wonderful shooting,
people falling off horses,
1038
00:45:41,199 --> 00:45:42,679
and people running
out of ammunition.
1039
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,960
[gunshots]
1040
00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:48,319
- Because all those
shots are real.
1041
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,120
It's very well-shot
and very well-edited.
1042
00:45:51,199 --> 00:45:53,919
- There's one sequence where
John Wayne fires one shot
1043
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,840
and about seven guys go down.
1044
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:03,800
- That great stunt that,
uh, Yakima Canutt does,
1045
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,440
he wouldn't let John
Wayne do that shot.
1046
00:46:05,519 --> 00:46:06,439
That'd be too dangerous.
1047
00:46:06,519 --> 00:46:09,719
[dramatic music]
1048
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,720
- The stuntman playing
the Indian jumps
1049
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,320
onto the lead horse,
and Wayne shoots him.
1050
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,560
And he's hanging on, and
Wayne shoots him again.
1051
00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:22,039
And he falls, and he has
to lie absolutely still,
1052
00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:25,079
and he keeps his
elbows in real tight
1053
00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:27,079
because there's only about
three feet of clearance.
1054
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:30,919
And he said the horses have
to be going fast, and
absolutely straigh
1055
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,120
and they were.
1056
00:46:32,199 --> 00:46:33,039
[dramatic music]
1057
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:37,199
But it was a very daring
stunt.
1058
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:41,720
They probably paid him an
extra $50 for it, you know?
1059
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,720
- But the chase scene
has a brutal backstory.
1060
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,600
- They used a technique
that's outlawed today.
1061
00:46:47,679 --> 00:46:49,199
You can't do it.
1062
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,080
It's called a running W.
And a running W is,
1063
00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:55,479
you shackle a horse's
two front legs together,
1064
00:46:55,559 --> 00:47:00,799
and you tie a rope to
those two front legs.
1065
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,560
The end of the rope goes
into a stake in the ground,
1066
00:47:03,639 --> 00:47:05,439
and you get the
horse to run all out.
1067
00:47:05,519 --> 00:47:08,679
And when the horse runs
out the line of wire, boom,
1068
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:09,520
he goes down.
1069
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:12,199
And it usually kills the horse.
1070
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,000
- While "Stagecoach" was a
huge success, to modern eyes
1071
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:18,319
it's also a difficult
film to watch,
1072
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,600
because it perpetuates
a stereotype
1073
00:47:20,679 --> 00:47:22,399
of savage Native Americans.
1074
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,600
- One of the most problematic
aspects of "Stagecoach"
1075
00:47:25,679 --> 00:47:27,799
is its racial representation.
1076
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,200
Gorgeous images
of Monument Valley
1077
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:34,480
are suddenly disrupted
by ominous music
1078
00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:37,599
and threatening images
of the Native Americans.
1079
00:47:37,679 --> 00:47:39,239
We're left in no
doubt that these
1080
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,160
are the villains of the film.
1081
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:45,079
- But on "Stagecoach," the
Navajo actors got their own
back.
1082
00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:46,479
- Ford would be the
first one to admit
1083
00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:52,799
that we treated the Native
Americans, the Indians, badly.
1084
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,960
They had a lot of
Indian dialogue scenes
1085
00:47:55,039 --> 00:47:56,759
that were cut out.
1086
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,040
The Navajos knew that nobody
but them spoke Navajo,
1087
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:02,359
so they would be
saying in Navajo,
1088
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,640
you know,
this movie really sucks.
1089
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,759
You know,
John Ford is an asshole,
1090
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,520
and all these outrageous
things, all this profanity,
1091
00:48:08,599 --> 00:48:10,199
and nobody knew.
1092
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,720
- Coming up, Hollywood
censors clamp
1093
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,040
down on sex and violence.
1094
00:48:16,119 --> 00:48:17,919
- One of the things
people may have noticed
1095
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,600
is that sometimes very
early talkies are a lot
1096
00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:22,119
more, I don't know, saucy.
1097
00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:23,839
A lot more dangerous.
1098
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,360
- So a prime example would
be "Tarzan and His Mate,"
1099
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,080
where you get to see a
nude swimming sequence,
1100
00:48:29,159 --> 00:48:32,319
a post-coital sequence as
well, that even to our eyes
1101
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,160
today is quite exciting.
1102
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:41,279
- Tarzan, you're a bad boy.
1103
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,200
- In 1939, Hollywood was
ruled by censors determined
1104
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,720
to cut depictions
of sex, violence,
1105
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,160
and crime from the movies.
1106
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,999
But this wasn't
always the case.
1107
00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:00,879
Just a few years
earlier, films reflected
1108
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,880
much more liberal attitudes.
1109
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:08,480
- Sometimes very early talkies
are a lot more, I don't know,
1110
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:12,239
saucy, a lot more dangerous,
a lot more ambiguous,
1111
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,640
a lot more challenging than
later golden-age Hollywood
1112
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,759
movies in terms of sexual
license and things like that,
1113
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,560
in silent movies even more
so.
1114
00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:25,519
- So a prime example of a film
that even to our eyes today
1115
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:29,559
is quite exciting--
1116
00:49:29,639 --> 00:49:30,999
- Tarzan!
1117
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:33,159
- --would be
"Tarzan and His Mate."
1118
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:37,199
The characters' costumes
are pretty revealing.
1119
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,360
You get to see a nude
swimming sequence,
1120
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,200
a post-coital sequence as well,
where Tarzan and Jane are sort
of
1121
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,640
relaxing together,
clearly having
1122
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:48,639
just had fun, shall we say.
1123
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:53,359
- Tarzan, you're a bad boy
1124
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,440
- And also a really
interesting scene whereby Jane
1125
00:49:56,519 --> 00:49:59,679
decides to change her clothes
and nips into a tent,
1126
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,640
which is backlit
so you can see her removing
1127
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:03,959
her clothes in silhouette.
1128
00:50:04,039 --> 00:50:05,319
- Need any help?
1129
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,760
- Do you always help
ladies to dress?
1130
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,800
- When they're lovely enough.
1131
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,800
- But by 1939,
Hollywood censors
1132
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,400
had imposed the Production
Code, a strict set of rules
1133
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,120
that all but eliminated
sex, violence,
1134
00:50:19,199 --> 00:50:21,559
and crime from the movies.
1135
00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:23,879
- His Production Code,
voluntarily adopted
1136
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,400
by all major
producers, has been law
1137
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:27,760
to Hollywood's movie makers.
1138
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,640
- The Production Code
was finally implemented
1139
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,759
in order to placate
the religious right,
1140
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,120
particularly Catholics.
1141
00:50:35,199 --> 00:50:37,519
Hollywood was faced
with two choices.
1142
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:41,199
It could either capitulate
to these external groups,
1143
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,320
and possibly to
government censorship,
1144
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,280
or it could self-censor.
1145
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:46,800
And it decided to self-censor
so that it could maintain
1146
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,600
its commercial viability.
1147
00:50:49,679 --> 00:50:54,319
- The Code prevented the
mention of, for example,
1148
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,240
mixed-race marriages.
1149
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,640
There was absolutely to be
no mention of homosexuality.
1150
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,399
- Famously, married couples
didn't sleep in double beds.
1151
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,480
They had two single beds.
1152
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:08,999
- Religion mustn't be mocked.
1153
00:51:09,079 --> 00:51:11,279
Crime must be seen to not
pay.
1154
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,200
People must be punished.
1155
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,480
- The first time a lavatory
was ever shown to be used
1156
00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:16,079
was in "Psycho."
1157
00:51:16,159 --> 00:51:18,559
[toilet flushing]
1158
00:51:18,639 --> 00:51:21,559
- You couldn't portray
excessive or lustful kissing.
1159
00:51:21,639 --> 00:51:26,359
That would work the audience
into too much of a frenzy.
1160
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,360
- You would think that that
would mean all films became
1161
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:33,040
much more staid and moralistic,
but actually what happens
1162
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:38,679
is, filmmakers find ways
to use suggestion to create
1163
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,480
situations that sophisticated
audiences, at least,
1164
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:44,439
will understand.
1165
00:51:44,519 --> 00:51:46,879
- This is one night
you're not turning me out.
1166
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,280
- A prominent example would
be "Gone with the Wind,"
1167
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,760
when Rhett Butler carries
Scarlett O'Hara up the
stairs,
1168
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,440
and there's a fade-out.
1169
00:51:56,519 --> 00:52:01,159
And the next morning, we
fade in on Scarlett in bed,
1170
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,319
seemingly very happy.
1171
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,120
And I think adult audiences
know what happened in
1172
00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:11,439
between those two
scenes, but nothing
1173
00:52:11,519 --> 00:52:17,319
is said directly about
it, and nothing is shown.
1174
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,600
- But "Gone with the Wind"
was not immune to the
censors,
1175
00:52:20,679 --> 00:52:22,719
and producer David
O. Selznick came
1176
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,160
up against them over one of
the film's most famous lines.
1177
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:27,159
- Where shall I go?
1178
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,279
What shall I do?
1179
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:34,880
- Frankly, my dear,
I don't give a damn.
1180
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,480
- The word damn was in the
book of forbidden words,
1181
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:40,639
as far as the censor's
eye was concerned.
1182
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,039
Now, David O. Selznick
was absolutely
1183
00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:45,959
determined to have the line,
and he fought tooth and nail.
1184
00:52:46,039 --> 00:52:48,359
But I've got a list here
of some of the suggestions
1185
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:53,520
that the office and various
other people offered as--
1186
00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:55,119
as an alternative.
1187
00:52:55,199 --> 00:52:58,359
"Frankly, my dear,
I don't give a hoot."
1188
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,520
That doesn't sound very
Civil War, does it?
1189
00:53:00,599 --> 00:53:04,479
"Frankly, my dear,
it is of no consequence."
1190
00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:07,399
"Frankly, my dear,
I don't give a continental."
1191
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:08,920
What does that mean?
1192
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:10,720
They did actually record
"Frankly, my dear,
1193
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,360
I don't care," but Selznick
himself had come up
1194
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,400
with the line,
don't give a damn,
1195
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,440
and he absolutely
fought for it.
1196
00:53:17,519 --> 00:53:19,639
And he got it, so it stayed in.
1197
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:21,199
But it did-- didn't
exactly cause
1198
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,440
people to faint in
the cinema rows,
1199
00:53:23,519 --> 00:53:28,479
but it was shocking enough.
1200
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:32,399
- The Production Code didn't
just apply to bad language,
1201
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,480
sex, and violence.
1202
00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:36,879
The censors also went
for films that were
1203
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,200
critical of American
politics.
1204
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:40,600
- The Production Code, you
know,
1205
00:53:40,679 --> 00:53:42,079
wasn't just about
telling you what
1206
00:53:42,159 --> 00:53:43,159
you could and couldn't do.
1207
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:44,959
You had to submit your scripts.
1208
00:53:45,039 --> 00:53:46,479
In the case of "Mr. Smith
Goes to Washington,"
1209
00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:49,319
the Frank Capra, James Stewart
film, there was a lot of,
1210
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:50,840
oh, maybe you can't make
this.
1211
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,120
Maybe it's representing
America as a place
1212
00:53:53,199 --> 00:53:54,679
with corrupt politics.
1213
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,520
- Director Capra has
drawn on the almost
1214
00:53:56,599 --> 00:53:58,159
untouched wealth
of story material
1215
00:53:58,239 --> 00:53:59,719
on the national political
scene.
1216
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:01,800
- The whole point of
the Production Code
1217
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:06,040
was, films mustn't engage
with anything offensive.
1218
00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:09,519
When they read the script for
"Mr. Smith Goes to Washington,"
1219
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:12,639
their concern is, this is
politically controversial.
1220
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,119
- It might inflame
revolutionaries
1221
00:54:15,199 --> 00:54:17,599
and people who want to bring
the system down, you know.
1222
00:54:17,679 --> 00:54:20,359
So there was this kind
of almost Stalinist way
1223
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,400
of vetting a script.
1224
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,000
- But Frank Capra was
a powerful director.
1225
00:54:25,079 --> 00:54:27,759
He was not so easily reined in.
1226
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,800
- Mr. James Taylor came
down here and offered me
1227
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,760
a seat in this Senate
for the next 20 years,
1228
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,680
if I voted for a dam that he
knew, and I knew, was a fraud.
1229
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,080
But if I dared to open my
mouth against that dam,
1230
00:54:38,159 --> 00:54:39,759
he promised to break me in two.
1231
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,120
- Jimmy Stewart is an
idealistic young senator
1232
00:54:42,199 --> 00:54:46,119
and is distraught to be
confronted with corruption
1233
00:54:46,199 --> 00:54:47,879
in American politics.
1234
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:49,960
- More disturbing
in the film is
1235
00:54:50,039 --> 00:54:52,719
when Jimmy Stewart's
character, Jefferson Smith,
1236
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,280
tries to get his own story
out.
1237
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,760
He uses a kind of
Boy Scout organization
1238
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:02,720
to distribute leaflets, and
then
1239
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,840
they're attacked
by mobs organized
1240
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:06,800
by the industrialists.
1241
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:08,160
- Well, what are you
standing there for?
1242
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:09,759
Get the boys out.
Kill it!
1243
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,360
- Yes, sir.
1244
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:12,680
- There's this idea
that there is actually
1245
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,400
a kind of fascist
force in America
1246
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,080
that's doing away
with free speech,
1247
00:55:17,159 --> 00:55:21,719
and it's determined to
maintain its hold on the U.S.
government.
1248
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,440
It did cause a lot of offense.
1249
00:55:24,519 --> 00:55:26,359
You can imagine
in Washington, D.C.,
1250
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:27,560
they didn't like it at all.
1251
00:55:27,639 --> 00:55:30,519
It was a really
daring film for 1939.
1252
00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:33,399
It's a pretty outspoken,
revelatory film,
1253
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,160
even by today's standards.
1254
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,799
- The Production Code also
insisted that Hollywood
1255
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,600
didn't offend other
countries.
1256
00:55:41,679 --> 00:55:42,719
- And the reason
they didn't want
1257
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,720
to offend any
international governments
1258
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,760
was not because that was
"wrong," but because it was
1259
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:48,800
commercially stupid,
because then you couldn't
1260
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:50,520
sell your movies
in the country of
1261
00:55:50,599 --> 00:55:52,119
that international government.
1262
00:55:52,199 --> 00:55:53,399
- To make sure that they
didn't cause offense,
1263
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:57,680
they would send the
script to the embassy
1264
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,680
of the country involved.
1265
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,720
- But Hollywood was happy to
make exceptions to the rule
1266
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,520
when it suited them.
1267
00:56:04,599 --> 00:56:06,799
Russia didn't buy
American movies,
1268
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,520
and so films like
Greta Garbo's "Ninotchka"
1269
00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:13,879
were free to directly
criticize the Soviet regime.
1270
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:19,560
- Greta Garbo plays a Russian
official who is sent to Paris
1271
00:56:19,639 --> 00:56:22,319
on a government
mission, and she
1272
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:28,720
is the most drab and humorless
official you can imagine.
1273
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,280
- But you must admit that
this doomed old
1274
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:31,680
civilization sparkles.
1275
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,000
Look at it.
1276
00:56:33,079 --> 00:56:34,959
It glitters.
1277
00:56:35,039 --> 00:56:37,399
- I do not deny its beauty, but
it's a waste of electricity.
1278
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,160
- What a city!
1279
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:45,319
- Paris represents the
West as a place of bounty.
1280
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,880
It's a place where
people are wealthy.
1281
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,080
They live fairly
frivolous lives.
1282
00:56:52,159 --> 00:56:54,279
- You mean Leon's bringing the
Bolshevik you told us about?
1283
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,240
- Isn't it divine?
1284
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:57,760
- I wouldn't have missed this
for anything in the world.
1285
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:02,800
- By contrast, Russia is
a strikingly poor country.
1286
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:04,800
It's politically oppressive.
1287
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,000
- Comrades of the world,
never has there been
1288
00:57:07,079 --> 00:57:08,199
such a May Day parade as this!
1289
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,600
- The studios felt
absolutely confident
1290
00:57:11,679 --> 00:57:14,719
in portraying Russia
and communism this way,
1291
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,600
because Russia didn't
import American movies.
1292
00:57:17,679 --> 00:57:19,559
And so there was nothing
for them to lose.
1293
00:57:19,639 --> 00:57:20,839
- Very consciously,
the movie is
1294
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,800
about a fight between
communism and capitalism,
1295
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,640
and because of sex, and
a hat that she loves,
1296
00:57:26,719 --> 00:57:28,439
which is absolutely
ridiculous today.
1297
00:57:28,519 --> 00:57:29,919
- What's that?
1298
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,720
- It's a hat, comrade,
a woman's hat.
1299
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:34,440
- How can such a
civilization survive
1300
00:57:34,519 --> 00:57:35,679
which permits their
women to put things
1301
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,400
like that on their heads?
1302
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,960
- The hat kind of stands
in for all of the glamour,
1303
00:57:41,039 --> 00:57:46,199
and all of the luxury, and all
of the sensuousness of Paris.
1304
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,080
She's seduced by
a man, and then
1305
00:57:55,159 --> 00:57:57,519
she's seduced by capitalism.
1306
00:57:57,599 --> 00:58:02,959
So basically, sex brings down
the Soviet Union in
"Ninotchka."
1307
00:58:03,039 --> 00:58:04,679
And Hollywood was
happy to do that,
1308
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,240
because they weren't selling
films to the Soviet Union.
1309
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,440
- Coming up,
shockingly, there was
1310
00:58:11,519 --> 00:58:16,679
one country that Hollywood
was happy to cozy up to in
1939.
1311
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,240
- They were still
trying to make movies
1312
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:19,240
that wouldn't offend Hitler.
1313
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,120
- [speaking German]
1314
00:58:21,199 --> 00:58:23,879
- They stopped making
movies with overtly
1315
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:25,640
Jewish characters.
1316
00:58:25,719 --> 00:58:29,759
They stopped using the
word Jew in their scripts.
1317
00:58:31,639 --> 00:58:35,959
- As 1939 came to an end,
the world was becoming
1318
00:58:36,039 --> 00:58:36,999
a very different place.
1319
00:58:37,079 --> 00:58:41,279
- [speaking German]
1320
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,160
- While Europe was suffering
some of the darkest months
1321
00:58:44,239 --> 00:58:47,759
in its history, Hollywood was
enjoying incredible success
1322
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,920
and looking the other way.
1323
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,200
- The Hollywood studios were
faced with a problem,
1324
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,440
which was that America
was officially neutral
1325
00:58:55,519 --> 00:58:57,599
and was trying to
stay out of the war.
1326
00:58:57,679 --> 00:58:59,839
The classical Hollywood
system was always
1327
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:02,080
trying to please everybody.
1328
00:59:02,159 --> 00:59:05,319
That was kind of its
commercial model.
1329
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,360
That meant that they steered
very clear of anything that
1330
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,240
could be controversial,
anything that could
1331
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,160
be seen as too political.
1332
00:59:11,239 --> 00:59:14,319
- But remarkably, Hollywood
studios did more than just
1333
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:18,720
ignore the rise of fascism
and the specter of war.
1334
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:22,000
- One of the most shocking
things that recent historians
1335
00:59:22,079 --> 00:59:25,279
have uncovered, in fact, is
the degree to which the
Hollywood
1336
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,960
studio moguls were putting
commercial interests
1337
00:59:29,039 --> 00:59:31,039
above political or
even moral interests.
1338
00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:34,399
As late as 1939,
they were inviting
1339
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,680
Nazi "ambassadors,"
representatives, for goodwill
1340
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:40,120
tours of the major studios.
1341
00:59:40,199 --> 00:59:40,959
They were still
trying to make movies
1342
00:59:41,039 --> 00:59:42,239
that wouldn't offend Hitler.
1343
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,360
They were trying
to make movies that
1344
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,280
wouldn't offend Mussolini.
1345
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,840
They stopped making movies
with overtly Jewish
characters.
1346
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:54,240
They stopped using the
word Jew in their scripts.
1347
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,080
So there was this attempt
to curry commercial favor
1348
00:59:57,159 --> 00:59:58,879
with the fascists.
1349
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,400
- Hollywood's unwillingness
to explicitly deal with
1350
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:06,000
anti-Semitism feels even more
ironic when we remember that
1351
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:08,359
many of the studio
heads were themselves
1352
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:12,560
Jewish and came from Eastern
European backgrounds.
1353
01:00:12,639 --> 01:00:13,999
- It's an unpalatable
truth, but there was
1354
01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:17,639
an awful lot of right-wing
feeling within America as well.
1355
01:00:17,719 --> 01:00:19,919
You know, a lot of
Americans supported Hitler.
1356
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,640
A lot of Americans had a
real sort of right-wing bent.
1357
01:00:23,719 --> 01:00:27,319
- Hitler has said America
could be conquered from
within.
1358
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:31,360
- Astonishingly,
in 1939, 20,000 Nazis
1359
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:35,360
gathered for a rally at
Madison Square Garden.
1360
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,240
- They had soldiers
in the aisles
1361
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:38,480
that they called
stormtroopers,
1362
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:41,919
and they had speakers
echoing the language
1363
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:43,840
of Hitler and Goebbels.
1364
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:48,080
The film footage from that
night is absolutely chilling.
1365
01:00:48,159 --> 01:00:50,519
You cannot believe that
you're not looking at a
Nuremberg
1366
01:00:50,599 --> 01:00:53,519
rally, and that you are
looking at Madison Square
Garden
1367
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:57,639
in New York in 1939.
1368
01:00:57,719 --> 01:01:00,279
- But with the Nazi
threat at home and abroad,
1369
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,200
one studio decided
to put morality
1370
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,680
before money and
make a film that
1371
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,120
was explicitly anti-fascist.
1372
01:01:08,199 --> 01:01:12,959
- By 1939, Hitler had been
in power for six years.
1373
01:01:13,039 --> 01:01:16,199
And for years before that,
Nazi stormtroopers,
Brownshirts,
1374
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,000
had been marching up
and down the streets
1375
01:01:19,079 --> 01:01:20,319
and had been in the
newsreels.
1376
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,600
So, you know,
for 10 years, people
1377
01:01:22,679 --> 01:01:23,879
had been aware of Nazism.
1378
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,080
But-- but Hollywood had
never covered it, really.
1379
01:01:27,159 --> 01:01:29,199
It was only the Warner
Brothers who instantly
1380
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:30,840
saw the threat of Nazism.
1381
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:32,680
They were Jewish,
the brothers Warner,
1382
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:34,960
but so were the other
heads of studio.
1383
01:01:35,039 --> 01:01:38,239
- Warner Brothers ignored
the Production Code and its
1384
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,720
competitors to make the first
explicit anti-Nazi film,
1385
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,040
"Confessions of a Nazi Spy."
1386
01:01:44,119 --> 01:01:45,399
- But even then, it was
a closed set, as it's called.
1387
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,760
It was secret.
1388
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:49,080
No one knew what
the film was called,
1389
01:01:49,159 --> 01:01:51,759
and the Nazi
insignia was sort of
1390
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:53,560
hidden from anybody looking.
1391
01:01:53,639 --> 01:01:55,479
- The national feelings
clause of the Code
1392
01:01:55,559 --> 01:01:57,199
said that countries
must be treated fairly.
1393
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:01,080
You couldn't write
fictions that seemed
1394
01:02:01,159 --> 01:02:02,439
to be exposรฉs of countries.
1395
01:02:02,519 --> 01:02:07,199
So what they did was use
the transcripts of a trial.
1396
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:08,440
- Charged with the
crime of espionage
1397
01:02:08,519 --> 01:02:10,879
against the armed forces
of the United States.
1398
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:15,200
- In which real Nazi spies were
found operating in New York,
1399
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,600
and therefore they could
say, this is factual.
1400
01:02:17,679 --> 01:02:21,759
Yes, we're dramatizing it,
but this really did happen.
1401
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,320
- Schneider offers his
services as a Nazi spy,
1402
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,880
addressing his letter to
Hitler's personal newspaper.
1403
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,040
- Hollywood tales of
espionage traditionally
centered
1404
01:02:30,119 --> 01:02:32,319
on the romantic
figure of the spy.
1405
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,680
What"Confessions of a Nazi Spy"
does
1406
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:39,320
is situate its story in a
far grittier environment.
1407
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:44,760
Street corners, back rooms,
dingy apartment buildings.
1408
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,720
- For hours, Renard caters to
Schneider's inflated vanity,
1409
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,200
skillfully leading
him on to give
1410
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,160
an account of his meetings
with Nazi spy contacts.
1411
01:02:51,239 --> 01:02:54,199
- "Confessions of a Nazi Spy"
emphasiz
1412
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:58,320
its factual basis by having a
"March of Time"-style narrator.
1413
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,200
- Nazi propaganda printed
in huge quantities.
1414
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,520
- The newsreel
style of narration.
1415
01:03:03,599 --> 01:03:05,839
- Carefully devised to fit
the official German concept
1416
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:07,880
of mass stupidity.
1417
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,200
- Conveying that this is
news, this is what really
happened.
1418
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:15,640
It portrays the militarism
of Nazism very vividly.
1419
01:03:15,719 --> 01:03:18,119
- I say that we must unite
all those of German blood
1420
01:03:18,199 --> 01:03:22,039
to believe in the German
destiny of America!
1421
01:03:22,119 --> 01:03:26,559
- We see a Nazi rally where
there are swastikas on flags
1422
01:03:26,639 --> 01:03:28,519
all around the room.
1423
01:03:28,599 --> 01:03:32,679
There are German-Americans
wearing Nazi uniforms.
1424
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:33,800
- Our America!
1425
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:35,840
[together]
Sieg Heil!
1426
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:39,880
- It was the first movie
to show Nazi insignia.
1427
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:41,640
- Groucho Marx was impressed.
1428
01:03:41,719 --> 01:03:43,439
Said that, you know,
Warner's was the only studio
1429
01:03:43,519 --> 01:03:45,359
with any guts, because
they were the only ones
1430
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:47,120
who had done that.
1431
01:03:47,199 --> 01:03:49,759
- Nazi sympathizers picketed
cinemas, slashed seats,
1432
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:51,760
and threatened exhibitors.
1433
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:55,680
One cinema in Milwaukee was
even burned down for screening
1434
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:57,720
"Confessions of a Nazi Spy."
1435
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:03,280
- "Confessions of a Nazi Spy"
is the first Hollywood
anti-Nazi
1436
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,320
film,
and in that respect, it opens
1437
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:10,800
the door for so many films
that follow in its footsteps.
1438
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,960
But I think it sets up a lot of
the stereotypes around Nazism
1439
01:04:15,039 --> 01:04:16,519
that will be used in later
films,
1440
01:04:16,599 --> 01:04:22,519
the militarism, the
doggedness, the snarling
vehemence
1441
01:04:22,599 --> 01:04:24,439
of the Nazi characters.
1442
01:04:24,519 --> 01:04:29,159
Those tropes survive well into
the war
1443
01:04:29,239 --> 01:04:33,839
- Despite the Nazi threat,
for the studios in 1939,
1444
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,520
it seemed like the good
times would never end.
1445
01:04:36,599 --> 01:04:41,199
But just two years later,
America entered the war.
1446
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:43,280
- 1939 was really a perfect
moment in Hollywood,
1447
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:48,800
because it was this peak point
where everything's fallen
1448
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:50,840
into place, everyone
knows what they're doing,
1449
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:52,880
and the war hasn't come yet.
1450
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:56,320
Because I think the war really
spoils the mood in Hollywood.
1451
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,760
- The movies would never
again recapture the energy,
1452
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:02,960
excitement, and magic of
1939.
1453
01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:06,559
- 1939 was a great year
for the Hollywood studios.
1454
01:05:06,639 --> 01:05:07,879
They were factories.
1455
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:09,400
They were just humming.
1456
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,520
- Hollywood's golden
year had produced
1457
01:05:11,599 --> 01:05:13,799
a staggering number of films.
1458
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:17,120
- It's the year, really, where
you get to see the Hollywood
1459
01:05:17,199 --> 01:05:20,679
studio system at its height,
the real big hitters,
1460
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:22,640
some absolutely amazing
films that go on to be
1461
01:05:22,719 --> 01:05:24,359
superb classics.
1462
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:29,120
- From stars to scandals,
from yellow brick roads
1463
01:05:29,199 --> 01:05:30,879
to Southern belles,
this was a year
1464
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,160
that no one would ever
forget.
1465
01:05:33,239 --> 01:05:37,399
- 1939 was the greatest
year in Hollywood history.
1466
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It was the point at which
they just suddenly hit their
stride
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and produced just one
classic film after another.
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01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:48,600
- A year that left an
extraordinary lasting legacy
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01:05:48,679 --> 01:05:50,279
on movie history.
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01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:51,760
- 1939 is everything that
Hollywood
1471
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:55,040
stood for, both good and bad.
1472
01:05:55,119 --> 01:05:57,799
But it did produce gold.
1473
01:05:57,880 --> 01:05:59,800
I'm not saying that,
you know, you should only watch
1474
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:02,400
classic movies of that period.
1475
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:03,680
That would be absurd.
1476
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,320
But the ones that are worth
watching, my goodness,
1477
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:06,760
they're worth watching.
1478
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:08,600
[applause]
1479
01:06:08,679 --> 01:06:12,399
[upbeat music]
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01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:18,480
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