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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:12,168 --> 00:00:13,660 I directed our military 2 00:00:13,710 --> 00:00:15,190 to take targeted strikes. 3 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,735 Tonight, I ordered a targeted military strike. 4 00:00:18,785 --> 00:00:20,860 We will respond with force and precision 5 00:00:20,910 --> 00:00:23,440 at our time, at the place we choose, 6 00:00:23,490 --> 00:00:25,710 at the moment of our choosing. 7 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,770 Well, they finally did it. 8 00:00:37,820 --> 00:00:41,900 It's been more than 30 years, but Maverick is back. 9 00:00:41,950 --> 00:00:43,670 It was hard to miss the news. 10 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:45,668 Maverick is back. 11 00:00:45,718 --> 00:00:46,616 Maverick Mitchell is back. 12 00:00:46,666 --> 00:00:47,090 He's back. 13 00:00:47,140 --> 00:00:47,740 Maverick is back. 14 00:00:47,790 --> 00:00:48,630 Maverick is back. 15 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:49,180 He is back. 16 00:00:49,230 --> 00:00:49,836 Maverick is back. 17 00:00:49,886 --> 00:00:50,571 Maverick is back, baby. 18 00:00:50,621 --> 00:00:51,945 is back in action. 19 00:00:51,995 --> 00:00:53,655 He's back in the film. 20 00:00:54,351 --> 00:00:56,420 I definitely feel that love and feeling 21 00:00:56,470 --> 00:00:58,640 up here from you all. 22 00:00:58,690 --> 00:01:02,030 The Pentagon was feeling the love, too. 23 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,939 Beneath all the noise was a quiet little contract 24 00:01:04,989 --> 00:01:08,420 that allowed the US military to weave in key talking points, 25 00:01:08,470 --> 00:01:11,150 oversee the script, and require an official screening 26 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,250 before its release. 27 00:01:13,300 --> 00:01:16,830 Of course, it wasn't the first time. 28 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:18,360 All right, talk to me, Goose. 29 00:01:18,410 --> 00:01:20,520 You may not remember the original film 30 00:01:20,570 --> 00:01:23,370 as an instrument for engineering public opinion, 31 00:01:23,420 --> 00:01:25,290 but the Pentagon does. 32 00:01:25,340 --> 00:01:27,600 The office that supplied all those aircraft carriers 33 00:01:27,650 --> 00:01:30,840 and F-14s said as much in its own database. 34 00:01:30,890 --> 00:01:32,910 The film completed rehabilitation 35 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:36,270 of the military's image, which had been savaged by the Vietnam 36 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:37,141 War. 37 00:01:37,191 --> 00:01:38,430 I got you down. 38 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,950 You might wonder how often they do this 39 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,494 and how deep the influence goes. 40 00:01:50,287 --> 00:01:52,570 This is the Army Air Force's first motion 41 00:01:52,620 --> 00:01:55,450 picture unit in Culver City, California. 42 00:01:55,500 --> 00:01:57,400 Propaganda, I've been 43 00:01:57,450 --> 00:02:00,040 studying it the better part of my adult life, especially 44 00:02:00,090 --> 00:02:01,630 the war variety. 45 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,600 I've written the books, taught the courses. 46 00:02:04,650 --> 00:02:07,780 I knew that the DOD had an office for helping with movies. 47 00:02:07,830 --> 00:02:10,360 But we didn't even basic things about it. 48 00:02:10,410 --> 00:02:11,560 How many films? 49 00:02:11,610 --> 00:02:13,360 Were there really script changes? 50 00:02:13,410 --> 00:02:15,160 And what were they? 51 00:02:15,210 --> 00:02:17,440 It might as well have been a broom closet locked up 52 00:02:17,490 --> 00:02:20,920 in some dusty corner of the Pentagon. 53 00:02:20,970 --> 00:02:24,970 Then documents started to get out, some real revelations. 54 00:02:25,020 --> 00:02:27,880 The paper trail led me to a couple of British researchers 55 00:02:27,930 --> 00:02:30,340 who had been filing countless Freedom of Information Act 56 00:02:30,390 --> 00:02:31,338 requests. 57 00:02:31,388 --> 00:02:33,170 I didn't quite know what I was getting into. 58 00:02:33,220 --> 00:02:36,160 But they were delivering thousands of pages, eye popping 59 00:02:36,210 --> 00:02:38,103 news, just about every day. 60 00:02:38,153 --> 00:02:40,270 Hi, guys, some new documents arrived this morning. 61 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,400 These are some of the US Army script 62 00:02:42,450 --> 00:02:46,330 notes on a Man of Steel, the Superman movie. 63 00:02:46,380 --> 00:02:48,100 When that door blew open, 64 00:02:48,150 --> 00:02:53,030 I got a glimpse of something way bigger than I thought possible. 65 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,375 But this journey was just getting started. 66 00:02:59,290 --> 00:03:01,940 The Pentagon is powerful in the film and TV industry 67 00:03:01,990 --> 00:03:03,855 because they have expensive toys. 68 00:03:03,905 --> 00:03:04,731 They have submarines. 69 00:03:04,781 --> 00:03:06,170 They have aircraft carriers. 70 00:03:06,220 --> 00:03:07,250 They have extras. 71 00:03:07,300 --> 00:03:08,420 They have pilots. 72 00:03:08,470 --> 00:03:10,310 They have helicopters. 73 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,490 That is going to give them rights, usually contracted 74 00:03:13,540 --> 00:03:16,220 in, to change the script. 75 00:03:16,270 --> 00:03:17,570 You can call it censorship. 76 00:03:17,620 --> 00:03:19,940 You can call it propaganda. 77 00:03:19,990 --> 00:03:22,140 It's all of these things. 78 00:03:22,190 --> 00:03:24,770 But this is more insidious than actually sort of state 79 00:03:24,820 --> 00:03:26,990 controlled and state produced propaganda. 80 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,170 Because it passes off as just entertainment. 81 00:03:30,220 --> 00:03:32,000 Are you the ranking officer here? 82 00:03:32,050 --> 00:03:35,030 And that's when propaganda is the most effective. 83 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:39,080 You're a little bit more open to incorporating those ideas, 84 00:03:39,130 --> 00:03:40,730 because your defenses are down. 85 00:03:40,780 --> 00:03:42,020 Hit it. 86 00:03:42,070 --> 00:03:43,500 Some people probably would say, 87 00:03:43,550 --> 00:03:46,130 well, yeah, I've heard of this, like with Top Gun, maybe 88 00:03:46,180 --> 00:03:49,230 Black Hawk Down, maybe some of the Marvel series. 89 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,160 But what they don't know is how systematic this has been, 90 00:03:52,210 --> 00:03:55,040 and how huge this operation has been. 91 00:03:55,090 --> 00:03:57,080 Now these Freedom of Information requests 92 00:03:57,130 --> 00:03:59,340 that have been successful allow us 93 00:03:59,390 --> 00:04:00,590 to actually look at that list. 94 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:01,730 And it's stunning. 95 00:04:01,780 --> 00:04:03,188 What we've found is 96 00:04:03,238 --> 00:04:06,500 that thousands upon thousands upon thousands of products 97 00:04:06,550 --> 00:04:11,090 have been affected and are often rewritten at script level 98 00:04:11,140 --> 00:04:16,450 by the national security state in the United States. 99 00:04:16,500 --> 00:04:18,909 Do normal people know about that? 100 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:21,610 No, of course they don't. 101 00:05:01,290 --> 00:05:04,150 So say you're a producer and you want to make a war film. 102 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,210 You would walk into the Entertainment Liaison 103 00:05:07,260 --> 00:05:11,125 office in downtown Los Angeles. 104 00:05:11,175 --> 00:05:13,690 You say I want to film an Air Force base, 105 00:05:13,740 --> 00:05:16,150 or I want an aircraft carrier, or I want some Black Hawk 106 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:17,903 helicopters, or whatever it is. 107 00:05:17,953 --> 00:05:19,570 And they would tell you straight away, 108 00:05:19,620 --> 00:05:22,370 give us your entire script. 109 00:05:22,420 --> 00:05:23,510 They're not stupid. 110 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,780 They're not saying, just give us those sections 111 00:05:25,830 --> 00:05:28,330 where some dialogue takes place about the military. 112 00:05:28,380 --> 00:05:30,550 They want to have the entire manuscript. 113 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,980 So that they can get a sense of the broader 114 00:05:33,030 --> 00:05:36,743 context in which the military is being portrayed. 115 00:05:36,793 --> 00:05:38,410 If they go through the script and say, 116 00:05:38,460 --> 00:05:40,720 we don't really look that heroic on page 18, 117 00:05:40,770 --> 00:05:43,030 we're going to need you to change page 18, 118 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,580 the filmmaker either usually has to acquiesce 119 00:05:45,630 --> 00:05:47,920 or the Pentagon says, that's fine. 120 00:05:47,970 --> 00:05:49,825 You have the freedom to not change it. 121 00:05:49,875 --> 00:05:51,700 But we're going to take our toys and go home. 122 00:05:51,750 --> 00:05:54,020 Now, it's up to the filmmaker to decide, 123 00:05:54,070 --> 00:05:56,920 do I want to accept and make these changes? 124 00:05:56,970 --> 00:05:59,080 You'll end up signing a contract. 125 00:05:59,130 --> 00:06:01,180 And then you're locked into that. 126 00:06:01,230 --> 00:06:05,290 You're making a film with the DOD, the Department of Defense, 127 00:06:05,340 --> 00:06:06,850 as your ally. 128 00:06:06,900 --> 00:06:10,120 And they are a really important collaborator within that. 129 00:06:10,170 --> 00:06:14,448 They're effectively like another producer. 130 00:06:14,498 --> 00:06:16,990 You might wonder what the military's own rules say 131 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:18,130 about this. 132 00:06:18,180 --> 00:06:19,840 It turns out, for decades, the directive 133 00:06:19,890 --> 00:06:22,090 was to promote authenticity and dignity 134 00:06:22,140 --> 00:06:24,190 of military representation. 135 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,750 Such a thing is open to interpretation, of course. 136 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,500 But after 1988, the list expanded. 137 00:06:29,550 --> 00:06:31,000 Now, they were to promote something 138 00:06:31,050 --> 00:06:34,720 called public understanding, recruiting, and official policy 139 00:06:34,770 --> 00:06:36,460 positions. 140 00:06:36,510 --> 00:06:38,740 It's still a bit abstract on paper. 141 00:06:38,790 --> 00:06:41,920 Whose interests are being served in practice? 142 00:06:41,970 --> 00:06:44,680 Producers are able to get cut-price helicopters, 143 00:06:44,730 --> 00:06:48,520 cut-price tanks, cut-price aircraft carriers, 144 00:06:48,570 --> 00:06:51,040 as well as men, and material, and advice. 145 00:06:51,090 --> 00:06:53,710 And the more realistic, of course, a film can be, 146 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:58,930 the bigger the chances are for being big box office hits. 147 00:06:58,980 --> 00:07:01,810 And the DOD says this is a wonderful opportunity 148 00:07:01,860 --> 00:07:05,110 to present ourselves before the public in a positive light 149 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,870 through a medium that is mass, that is commercial, 150 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,450 that isn't inflected with negative connotations 151 00:07:10,500 --> 00:07:11,925 of propaganda. 152 00:07:11,975 --> 00:07:14,050 Just listen to how the Pentagon itself 153 00:07:14,100 --> 00:07:17,770 puts it in the weekly activities entry for the 2013 film Lone 154 00:07:17,820 --> 00:07:19,210 Survivor. 155 00:07:19,260 --> 00:07:20,740 "Entertainment feature films like 156 00:07:20,790 --> 00:07:24,100 this reach far greater audiences than any single news media 157 00:07:24,150 --> 00:07:25,180 story. 158 00:07:25,230 --> 00:07:27,790 Audiences going to see the film will voluntarily 159 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,180 sit through a two hour infomercial." 160 00:07:31,230 --> 00:07:33,550 If you're a producer who can deliver this kind of thing, 161 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,190 you just might have a career on your hands. 162 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,280 There are particular types of directors and filmmakers 163 00:07:39,330 --> 00:07:41,740 the Pentagon really likes to work with 164 00:07:41,790 --> 00:07:45,070 and has been working with repeatedly, because they know 165 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,700 that they can trust them, people like Jerry Bruckheimer, 166 00:07:48,750 --> 00:07:50,800 people like Michael Bay. 167 00:07:50,850 --> 00:07:53,580 We've worked with Mr. Bay here since Armageddon, 168 00:07:53,630 --> 00:07:57,610 if I'm not mistaken, and hope to do more of the same. 169 00:07:57,660 --> 00:07:59,320 That's Phil Strub. 170 00:07:59,370 --> 00:08:01,640 He directed the office for 30 years. 171 00:08:01,690 --> 00:08:03,010 You'll be seeing a lot of him. 172 00:08:03,060 --> 00:08:04,450 The name of the game in his world 173 00:08:04,500 --> 00:08:07,480 is leveraging military access to tilt the narrative 174 00:08:07,530 --> 00:08:10,360 and to maintain persistent relationships with the Michael 175 00:08:10,410 --> 00:08:11,710 Bays out there. 176 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,212 I've got a direct line to the Pentagon. 177 00:08:14,262 --> 00:08:16,420 For them, it's a matter of greenlighting 178 00:08:16,470 --> 00:08:18,550 projects the office will like. 179 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,250 They know that their scripts are going to get vetted. 180 00:08:21,300 --> 00:08:23,200 So what the effect quite often is 181 00:08:23,250 --> 00:08:26,980 is that filmmakers already write their scripts in ways 182 00:08:27,030 --> 00:08:30,563 that they know will ultimately please the Pentagon. 183 00:08:30,613 --> 00:08:32,230 Once we said we're interested, then we 184 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:33,999 met with Simpson/Bruckheimer. 185 00:08:34,049 --> 00:08:35,200 They very much wanted us. 186 00:08:35,250 --> 00:08:38,362 We were concerned about will the military allow us to do it. 187 00:08:38,412 --> 00:08:40,570 Because I didn't want to get involved in a movie that 188 00:08:40,620 --> 00:08:41,071 didn't get made. 189 00:08:41,121 --> 00:08:42,820 I just-- I really wanted to get something made. 190 00:08:42,870 --> 00:08:45,190 Because we had written six pictures before this, and not 191 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:46,720 one of them got shot. 192 00:08:46,770 --> 00:08:50,920 People self-censor and tame down any potential critical 193 00:08:50,970 --> 00:08:52,810 view, because they know otherwise, 194 00:08:52,860 --> 00:08:57,400 it's going to get a desk reject straight away. 195 00:08:57,450 --> 00:08:59,800 The CIA essentially copied this model 196 00:08:59,850 --> 00:09:02,980 when it opened its own office in 1996. 197 00:09:03,030 --> 00:09:05,740 But what they figured out is that they can be really 198 00:09:05,790 --> 00:09:08,080 effective in the pre-production stage. 199 00:09:08,130 --> 00:09:11,320 And so they work a lot with screen writers 200 00:09:11,370 --> 00:09:14,440 as ideas are being formed or drafted 201 00:09:14,490 --> 00:09:17,590 in order to be able to have a say in how the agency is going 202 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,723 to be represented. 203 00:09:19,773 --> 00:09:21,140 As you might imagine, 204 00:09:21,190 --> 00:09:24,710 no one involved in these deals, whether it be the CIA, DOD, 205 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:26,630 or entertainment industry at large, 206 00:09:26,680 --> 00:09:30,350 is exactly clamoring to talk about them publicly. 207 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,210 And perhaps that's not surprising. 208 00:09:32,260 --> 00:09:34,100 You would have to ask yourself as someone 209 00:09:34,150 --> 00:09:37,970 who goes to the cinema whether I want to pay to actually watch 210 00:09:38,020 --> 00:09:39,710 some propaganda stuff. 211 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,140 This relationship is not secret. 212 00:09:42,190 --> 00:09:44,720 It's just that they don't want to make a big thing of it. 213 00:09:44,770 --> 00:09:46,550 What they don't want anyone to know 214 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,560 is that this is done systematically. 215 00:09:48,610 --> 00:09:52,160 And they also are particularly wary of the public knowing 216 00:09:52,210 --> 00:09:53,750 about script rewrites. 217 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:55,820 If people actually saw a script 218 00:09:55,870 --> 00:09:59,480 and then looked at the kind of blue bowdlerizing lines 219 00:09:59,530 --> 00:10:01,650 that the military had done on the script, 220 00:10:01,700 --> 00:10:05,660 I think people would begin to realize how dangerous 221 00:10:05,710 --> 00:10:09,068 and how censorious this kind of activity is. 222 00:10:15,917 --> 00:10:17,700 To see how all this works, just 223 00:10:17,750 --> 00:10:19,367 look at how the Entertainment Office has 224 00:10:19,417 --> 00:10:22,800 used the biggest weapon in its arsenal, rejection. 225 00:10:22,850 --> 00:10:26,070 It can put a production at a distinct disadvantage. 226 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,350 Say you want to make a film based on the Kennedy White 227 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,480 House tapes about how military leaders almost 228 00:10:30,530 --> 00:10:33,860 got us into a nuclear war during the Cuban Missile Crisis. 229 00:10:33,910 --> 00:10:36,330 That'll earn you a solid one. 230 00:10:36,380 --> 00:10:38,490 You'll have to go to the Philippines for old planes 231 00:10:38,540 --> 00:10:40,470 to repaint and military bases. 232 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,110 You'll have to construct U2 sequences from scratch 233 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,650 and beg a museum for a destroyer. 234 00:10:46,700 --> 00:10:49,820 Rejections like this have become more common over the years. 235 00:10:49,870 --> 00:10:51,570 On the heels of World War II, the Pentagon 236 00:10:51,620 --> 00:10:53,400 assisted a long list of films. 237 00:10:53,450 --> 00:10:56,970 But it rarely flat out denied filmmakers. 238 00:10:57,020 --> 00:11:00,030 As Americans began to deal with a more controversial history 239 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,430 of military intervention, though, the rejections 240 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,740 started to come, first with films 241 00:11:04,790 --> 00:11:08,880 that failed to celebrate US military action in Vietnam 242 00:11:08,930 --> 00:11:12,540 and continuing with the Cold War, Gulf Wars, and issues way 243 00:11:12,590 --> 00:11:14,460 beyond war films. 244 00:11:14,510 --> 00:11:16,020 But these were only the rejections 245 00:11:16,070 --> 00:11:18,150 that were lucky enough to still be made. 246 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:19,620 Many more weren't. 247 00:11:19,670 --> 00:11:23,700 That is no military assistance often means no show. 248 00:11:23,750 --> 00:11:26,610 Producer Jerry Bruckheimer said that without military help, 249 00:11:26,660 --> 00:11:28,860 he couldn't have made Pearl Harbor. 250 00:11:28,910 --> 00:11:30,780 It apparently means a lot when the Navy pulls 251 00:11:30,830 --> 00:11:33,180 more than 20 Vietnam era destroyers out 252 00:11:33,230 --> 00:11:35,640 of storage for you to blow up. 253 00:11:35,690 --> 00:11:38,070 There wouldn't have been a Top Gun without support either, 254 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:39,750 he said. 255 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,030 Most of the time, it comes down to the studio's need 256 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,010 to keep costs low. 257 00:11:44,060 --> 00:11:47,250 Take The Hunt for Red October, producer Mace Neufeld 258 00:11:47,300 --> 00:11:49,050 said Paramount straight up told him 259 00:11:49,100 --> 00:11:51,720 if you don't get cooperation, we won't make the movie. 260 00:11:51,770 --> 00:11:53,722 And they put it in the contract. 261 00:11:53,772 --> 00:11:55,680 It was a good thing for Neufeld that the script 262 00:11:55,730 --> 00:11:57,150 was an easy sell. 263 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,350 It set him up for the long Jack Ryan franchise. 264 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,280 In contrast, consider another '90s film, Countermeasures. 265 00:12:05,330 --> 00:12:06,960 If it doesn't ring a bell, it's probably 266 00:12:07,010 --> 00:12:08,760 because it was never made. 267 00:12:08,810 --> 00:12:11,310 Sigourney Weaver had signed on to play the lead role. 268 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,860 But that didn't matter as much as what the Entertainment 269 00:12:13,910 --> 00:12:15,090 Office thought. 270 00:12:15,140 --> 00:12:17,250 They didn't want a story about weapons smuggling 271 00:12:17,300 --> 00:12:19,320 on an aircraft carrier. 272 00:12:19,370 --> 00:12:22,770 That was rejected explicitly on the grounds 273 00:12:22,820 --> 00:12:26,430 that we don't want to denigrate the White House. 274 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,000 We don't want to remind the public of the Iran-Contra 275 00:12:30,050 --> 00:12:33,540 scandal, which involved illegal arms sales, 276 00:12:33,590 --> 00:12:36,480 and drug running, and arming of Contra rebels, 277 00:12:36,530 --> 00:12:39,900 and all sorts of horrendous things in the '80s. 278 00:12:39,950 --> 00:12:42,660 In this case, the Pentagon got its wish. 279 00:12:42,710 --> 00:12:44,250 The public was not reminded. 280 00:12:48,570 --> 00:12:50,560 The Office's own database is littered 281 00:12:50,610 --> 00:12:52,610 with these denials never made. 282 00:12:52,660 --> 00:12:54,610 So no Eagle in the Sky. 283 00:12:54,660 --> 00:12:57,890 Denied, and never made. 284 00:12:57,940 --> 00:13:00,890 And no Recovery. 285 00:13:00,940 --> 00:13:03,470 It's clear from its own notes that the Pentagon knows 286 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,630 a denial can shoot down a film. 287 00:13:05,680 --> 00:13:07,910 The entry for A Moral Issue concludes 288 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:09,800 that since the film was never produced, 289 00:13:09,850 --> 00:13:12,800 the answer must have been no. 290 00:13:12,850 --> 00:13:15,260 Here's a sample of titles from the '80s and '90s, 291 00:13:15,310 --> 00:13:20,670 all denied and never made, so you can see what you missed. 292 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,600 What themes can earn a film a denial, you ask. 293 00:13:23,650 --> 00:13:25,610 We start to see a clear pattern when 294 00:13:25,660 --> 00:13:27,380 you look through the documents. 295 00:13:27,430 --> 00:13:30,680 The office internally calls these showstoppers. 296 00:13:30,730 --> 00:13:35,180 And yeah, sometimes they can stop the show. 297 00:13:35,230 --> 00:13:38,120 The Pentagon publicly says it denies films because they're 298 00:13:38,170 --> 00:13:40,640 in some way unrealistic. 299 00:13:40,690 --> 00:13:42,110 But you don't have to be an expert 300 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:43,730 to scratch your head when it comes 301 00:13:43,780 --> 00:13:45,470 to something like Top Gun. 302 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,870 Just listen to what the consultants and writers 303 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,150 admitted in retrospect. 304 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,160 The idea that people chase people around, 305 00:13:52,210 --> 00:13:55,490 trying to get Sidewinder tones, particularly down in the dirt, 306 00:13:55,540 --> 00:13:57,080 is not reality at all. 307 00:13:57,130 --> 00:14:00,470 It's not realistic compared to what we do every day. 308 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,300 And I said, well, there's no trophy. 309 00:14:02,350 --> 00:14:03,980 I said, if there was a Top Gun trophy, 310 00:14:04,030 --> 00:14:05,480 no one would ever graduate. 311 00:14:05,530 --> 00:14:07,670 You don't understand the intensity of these guys. 312 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,250 It would all be midair collisions, and crashes, 313 00:14:10,300 --> 00:14:11,241 and everybody'd die. 314 00:14:11,291 --> 00:14:12,950 Nobody would ever graduate from Top Gun. 315 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,200 It's very anti-Top Gun. 316 00:14:15,250 --> 00:14:17,220 Maverick as a character is anti-Top Gun. 317 00:14:17,270 --> 00:14:18,540 It's all about being together. 318 00:14:18,590 --> 00:14:19,923 So it was a dramatic license. 319 00:14:19,973 --> 00:14:20,841 And I think it worked. 320 00:14:20,891 --> 00:14:24,242 Never let the truth get in the way of a good movie. 321 00:14:24,292 --> 00:14:25,700 None of these concerns 322 00:14:25,750 --> 00:14:29,220 appeared in the Pentagon's list of requested script changes. 323 00:14:29,270 --> 00:14:30,983 In fact, a memo from the Marine Corps 324 00:14:31,033 --> 00:14:32,900 later admitted that the Pentagon had supported 325 00:14:32,950 --> 00:14:35,030 lots of unrealistic scenes. 326 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,340 In Top Gun, they said, buzzing the tower wouldn't 327 00:14:37,390 --> 00:14:40,250 have happened without career ending consequences. 328 00:14:40,300 --> 00:14:43,580 And the famous inversion scene simply couldn't happen. 329 00:14:43,630 --> 00:14:45,320 The Marine Office assembled this list 330 00:14:45,370 --> 00:14:47,660 not to keep everyone honest, but rather to justify 331 00:14:47,710 --> 00:14:50,720 an unrealistic scene of its own, a Harrier jet flying 332 00:14:50,770 --> 00:14:52,938 through a cave for a Top Gun style film 333 00:14:52,988 --> 00:14:54,012 they hoped to develop. 334 00:14:56,830 --> 00:14:59,450 The issue of realism comes to a head with films 335 00:14:59,500 --> 00:15:01,670 written by vets themselves. 336 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,160 Surely they must pass the authenticity test 337 00:15:04,210 --> 00:15:06,230 if Top Gun did. 338 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,360 Jarhead was based on the celebrated book 339 00:15:08,410 --> 00:15:11,420 by Marine vet Anthony Swofford and adapted for the screen 340 00:15:11,470 --> 00:15:13,310 by another marine vet. 341 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,230 The DOD has one look at the script, though, 342 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,180 and finds too many serious concerns. 343 00:15:18,230 --> 00:15:21,110 They don't want audiences to see what Swofford saw, 344 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,960 like a sniper trainer praising the Kennedy assassination 345 00:15:24,010 --> 00:15:27,440 as the perfect shot, Marines getting excited for war, 346 00:15:27,490 --> 00:15:29,750 boasting about killing ragheads and shooting 347 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,720 Bedouin camels, references to friendly fire, 348 00:15:32,770 --> 00:15:37,197 and attempted suicide, and an abusive drill instructor. 349 00:15:37,247 --> 00:15:39,530 What the fuck are you even doing here? 350 00:15:39,580 --> 00:15:42,230 Sir, I got lost on the way to college, sir. 351 00:15:44,493 --> 00:15:45,860 In fact, the Pentagon 352 00:15:45,910 --> 00:15:47,510 sees the movie as such a threat that it 353 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,520 moves to block the director from recruiting 354 00:15:49,570 --> 00:15:52,970 any off-duty military personnel as extras. 355 00:15:53,020 --> 00:15:55,543 When the film premieres, the Office explains to the press 356 00:15:55,593 --> 00:15:57,710 that it denied Jarhead assistance because it was not 357 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,780 a quote, "feasible interpretation 358 00:15:59,830 --> 00:16:01,580 of military life." 359 00:16:01,630 --> 00:16:03,860 Reporters from NPR and the LA Times 360 00:16:03,910 --> 00:16:06,140 ask if they can take a few Marines to the film 361 00:16:06,190 --> 00:16:07,820 and get their reactions. 362 00:16:07,870 --> 00:16:11,390 "Absolutely not," says the Entertainment Office. 363 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,460 But eventually outlets like the San Diego 364 00:16:13,510 --> 00:16:17,570 Tribune do manage to scare up some Marine vets, who guess what? 365 00:16:17,620 --> 00:16:19,805 Universally laud the film for its realism. 366 00:16:25,477 --> 00:16:28,430 Or take Fields of Fire from the early '90s, 367 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,220 which was denied and ultimately never made. 368 00:16:31,270 --> 00:16:34,190 This one was notable because it had some real muscle behind it, 369 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,430 Jim Webb, a highly decorated Marine Vietnam vet 370 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:38,930 who had written a best selling novel 371 00:16:38,980 --> 00:16:41,242 and would go on to be a US Senator. 372 00:16:41,292 --> 00:16:42,950 At the time, he had just come off a stint 373 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,140 as Secretary of the Navy. 374 00:16:45,190 --> 00:16:47,660 Now, that's some credibility, right? 375 00:16:47,710 --> 00:16:50,600 Not enough for Phil Strub at the Pentagon office. 376 00:16:50,650 --> 00:16:53,000 The script, he says, makes it look like "fragging, 377 00:16:53,050 --> 00:16:55,940 burning villages, executing prisoners, and drug abuse where 378 00:16:55,990 --> 00:16:57,710 everyday occurrences." 379 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,470 Yes these things happen, but mostly not. 380 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,500 "Consider making substantive changes." 381 00:17:03,550 --> 00:17:05,809 The Marine Corps, for its part, disagrees 382 00:17:05,859 --> 00:17:07,730 and asks him to reconsider. 383 00:17:07,780 --> 00:17:10,789 Webb's book is required reading for Marine officers 384 00:17:10,839 --> 00:17:13,460 and is generally acknowledged by Marine Vietnam veterans 385 00:17:13,510 --> 00:17:16,850 as the most genuine fictional account of the war. 386 00:17:16,900 --> 00:17:19,297 Webb himself had some strong words. 387 00:17:19,347 --> 00:17:21,380 "It appears to me that what you're really saying 388 00:17:21,430 --> 00:17:23,090 is that when it comes to Vietnam, 389 00:17:23,140 --> 00:17:25,910 DOD will support only sterile documentaries 390 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:27,680 or feature films that amount to nothing 391 00:17:27,730 --> 00:17:30,410 more than dishonest propaganda." 392 00:17:30,460 --> 00:17:32,570 Sorry, says Strub. 393 00:17:32,620 --> 00:17:35,510 And it became a Vietnam film we didn't get to see. 394 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,760 I kept thinking about Oliver Stone, too. 395 00:17:41,810 --> 00:17:43,530 Before becoming a filmmaker, this 396 00:17:43,580 --> 00:17:45,690 was a guy who had volunteered specifically 397 00:17:45,740 --> 00:17:49,650 for combat duty in Vietnam and emerged a decorated vet. 398 00:17:49,700 --> 00:17:52,680 His early breakouts are still lauded as the most realistic 399 00:17:52,730 --> 00:17:54,900 of the post-Vietnam wave. 400 00:17:54,950 --> 00:17:57,330 But it was a real uphill battle with the Pentagon, 401 00:17:57,380 --> 00:17:59,700 rejection after rejection. 402 00:17:59,750 --> 00:18:02,970 Platoon for a long list of unacceptable themes. 403 00:18:03,020 --> 00:18:04,530 Born on the Fourth of July because it 404 00:18:04,580 --> 00:18:07,320 made a strong statement against participating in the Vietnam 405 00:18:07,370 --> 00:18:08,191 War. 406 00:18:08,241 --> 00:18:11,700 Both were put on hold for years. 407 00:18:11,750 --> 00:18:13,230 I'd give my right eye to hear what 408 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,230 the man himself had to say about all this. 409 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,960 Luckily, he had read some of Alford and Secker's early work 410 00:18:19,010 --> 00:18:20,340 and was impressed. 411 00:18:20,390 --> 00:18:22,140 Matt was able to shake a few trees 412 00:18:22,190 --> 00:18:24,870 and get an interview for me. 413 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,600 Military veteran, Hollywood veteran, 414 00:18:27,650 --> 00:18:30,900 I pictured it going down something like this. 415 00:18:30,950 --> 00:18:32,760 I assume if you've come this far, what 416 00:18:32,810 --> 00:18:34,800 I have to say interests you. 417 00:18:34,850 --> 00:18:36,650 But I'm not going to name names and tell you 418 00:18:36,700 --> 00:18:40,990 who or what I represent, except to say you're close. 419 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:42,810 I wasn't prepared for this. 420 00:18:42,860 --> 00:18:45,690 Obviously, I was shocked by some of these-- 421 00:18:45,740 --> 00:18:49,530 what these films had to go through to get what they call 422 00:18:49,580 --> 00:18:51,990 weapons of war, Pentagon cooperation, 423 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,740 as well as CIA cooperation. 424 00:18:55,790 --> 00:18:59,770 It's a gigantic iceberg that you've touched. 425 00:18:59,820 --> 00:19:02,160 Wait, Oliver Stone can't believe 426 00:19:02,210 --> 00:19:04,780 how deep the story goes. 427 00:19:04,830 --> 00:19:07,180 It raises the question, could the industry 428 00:19:07,230 --> 00:19:10,030 be in the dark as much as the rest of us? 429 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:15,510 I guess you know what they say, the best PR is invisible. 430 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,150 But what about his firsthand experience? 431 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:22,710 I wrote Platoon as a naive young screenwriter, 432 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,200 because it was the truth of what I saw in Vietnam. 433 00:19:25,250 --> 00:19:27,780 Of course, it was dramatized. 434 00:19:27,830 --> 00:19:30,210 And at some point, I forgot exactly when, 435 00:19:30,260 --> 00:19:35,760 we sent in the script and asked for their cooperation. 436 00:19:35,810 --> 00:19:38,910 We got a pretty definite turndown from them, 437 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:44,850 saying this was an unrealistic portrayal of GIs. 438 00:19:44,900 --> 00:19:48,510 It was about this time that Top Gun paid a visit. 439 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,420 I was offered the script when it was a magazine article 440 00:19:51,470 --> 00:19:53,580 or something way back by Don Simpson. 441 00:19:53,630 --> 00:19:54,850 I just couldn't do it. 442 00:19:54,900 --> 00:19:55,831 I thought it was-- 443 00:19:55,881 --> 00:19:58,050 I knew-- at that point, I was accepting that Platoon 444 00:19:58,100 --> 00:19:58,926 would never get done. 445 00:19:58,976 --> 00:20:02,100 You have to understand, I had shelved Platoon. 446 00:20:02,150 --> 00:20:03,570 I put it out of my mind. 447 00:20:03,620 --> 00:20:06,510 I had written Born on the Fourth of July and Platoon and I-- 448 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,160 both projects had died. 449 00:20:08,210 --> 00:20:11,160 It is astonishing that you were offered the Top Gun script. 450 00:20:11,210 --> 00:20:13,710 That is an astonishing fact. 451 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,410 And I'm still trying to process that. 452 00:20:16,460 --> 00:20:19,350 It would have made for an easier start on a career. 453 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,720 While Top Gun was opening up the after burners 454 00:20:21,770 --> 00:20:25,380 with full military support, Platoon and Born on the Fourth 455 00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:28,350 barely made it out of the jungle alive. 456 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,360 It's not the only factor in play, I know. 457 00:20:30,410 --> 00:20:33,030 But this is how the military's invisible hand 458 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,700 moves over Hollywood. 459 00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:37,050 Do you recognize this? 460 00:20:37,100 --> 00:20:40,800 I wanted to bring a gift for you, blast from the past. 461 00:20:40,850 --> 00:20:44,360 I had his Platoon rejection letter framed. 462 00:20:46,250 --> 00:20:48,182 I never saw this. 463 00:20:48,232 --> 00:20:49,890 It's funny they mention what I mentioned, 464 00:20:49,940 --> 00:20:53,010 the murder and rape of innocent Vietnamese villagers. 465 00:20:53,060 --> 00:20:55,570 Well, I saw both. 466 00:20:55,620 --> 00:20:58,150 The cold blooded murder of one US soldier by another, 467 00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,081 did not see that. 468 00:20:59,131 --> 00:21:01,720 But certainly, there's reports of it up and down. 469 00:21:01,770 --> 00:21:04,960 They have admitted to fragging, how many were 470 00:21:05,010 --> 00:21:07,990 killed in fragging incidents, I imagine they minimized it. 471 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,090 And the portrayal of the majority as illiterate 472 00:21:10,140 --> 00:21:13,630 delinquents. 473 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,090 The entire script is rife with unrealistic and highly 474 00:21:16,140 --> 00:21:18,950 unfavorable depictions. 475 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,500 So I'm glad you got this. 476 00:21:20,550 --> 00:21:22,450 That's 1984. 477 00:21:22,500 --> 00:21:25,090 That would be the second time I tried to do the movie with Dino 478 00:21:25,140 --> 00:21:26,860 de Laurentiis. 479 00:21:26,910 --> 00:21:29,080 I'd love to get a copy of that, by the way. 480 00:21:29,130 --> 00:21:30,880 Oh, thank you so much. 481 00:21:30,930 --> 00:21:34,390 The whole ethos of that office, Pentagon, 482 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,670 is that they're supposed to provide accuracy 483 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,800 to the filmmakers, accuracy. 484 00:21:38,850 --> 00:21:41,690 And they do the opposite. 485 00:21:41,740 --> 00:21:45,632 They provide inaccuracy and lies. 486 00:21:45,682 --> 00:21:47,590 You show the bad side as well as the good side. 487 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:52,270 We keep making military movies, especially since 2001, 488 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,960 glorifying the American soldier, glorifying our patriotism, 489 00:21:56,010 --> 00:21:59,360 nationalism, homeland, all this nonsense. 490 00:21:59,410 --> 00:22:01,540 We make it into this fetish. 491 00:22:01,590 --> 00:22:03,190 We fetishize the military. 492 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,490 No one can say a bad word about them. 493 00:22:06,540 --> 00:22:08,530 This is wrong. 494 00:22:08,580 --> 00:22:11,988 You have to point out evil when it happens. 495 00:22:18,388 --> 00:22:19,880 Before we go any deeper, 496 00:22:19,930 --> 00:22:21,630 you might wonder how it is we came to know 497 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,148 what goes on in that office. 498 00:22:23,198 --> 00:22:25,190 I'll tell you one thing, we didn't learn about it 499 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:26,720 from the news. 500 00:22:26,770 --> 00:22:28,460 On the exceedingly rare occasions 501 00:22:28,510 --> 00:22:30,500 when the issue does get press attention, 502 00:22:30,550 --> 00:22:32,780 this is the kind of thing you get. 503 00:22:32,830 --> 00:22:34,340 Phil Strub reviews scripts, 504 00:22:34,390 --> 00:22:38,840 deciding if a script has the glimmer of realism or fun 505 00:22:38,890 --> 00:22:40,940 he's looking for. 506 00:22:40,990 --> 00:22:42,560 Realism and fun. 507 00:22:42,610 --> 00:22:44,392 Sounds innocent enough. 508 00:22:44,442 --> 00:22:46,100 If you wanted to know any more than that, 509 00:22:46,150 --> 00:22:49,130 though, for decades, there was just one place to look. 510 00:22:49,180 --> 00:22:53,990 There was one guy, basically, one historian who totally 511 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:59,510 dominated this field in the '70s, '80s, '90s, all the way 512 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:00,740 up into the 2000s. 513 00:23:00,790 --> 00:23:04,100 The film and military historian, whose book, Guts and Glory, 514 00:23:04,150 --> 00:23:06,830 is recognized as the definitive study of the relationship 515 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,520 between the military and movie industry, Lawrence Suid. 516 00:23:10,570 --> 00:23:16,640 And he was the person who had all 517 00:23:16,690 --> 00:23:19,250 of the relevant documentation on this. 518 00:23:19,300 --> 00:23:22,110 But Suid was the only person writing about it. 519 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,300 And so scholars didn't even bother looking into it. 520 00:23:26,350 --> 00:23:28,580 Suid largely bypassed any concerns 521 00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:31,100 about steering public opinion and instead told 522 00:23:31,150 --> 00:23:33,350 a story about the military constantly fixing 523 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,450 Hollywood's mistakes. 524 00:23:35,500 --> 00:23:37,370 Eventually, though, someone else came along 525 00:23:37,420 --> 00:23:39,320 and did a little muckraking. 526 00:23:39,370 --> 00:23:44,960 It was in 2004 that a journalist, a kind of maverick 527 00:23:45,010 --> 00:23:47,060 journalist who I quite like called 528 00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:50,738 David Robb decided that he was going to investigate this. 529 00:23:50,788 --> 00:23:53,030 Robb interviewed a bunch of industry folks 530 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,920 and combed the few public documents 531 00:23:54,970 --> 00:23:57,590 the DOD had made available to Georgetown University 532 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,390 and the National Archives. 533 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,820 He somehow persuaded the Marine Corps Office in LA 534 00:24:01,870 --> 00:24:03,710 to give him a peek, too. 535 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:08,210 He acquired much of the initial documentation. 536 00:24:08,260 --> 00:24:13,130 And he was able to punch a big hole in what Lawrence Suid had 537 00:24:13,180 --> 00:24:17,505 been saying for the previous 30 or 40 years. 538 00:24:17,555 --> 00:24:19,880 It was nowhere near a comprehensive picture, 539 00:24:19,930 --> 00:24:21,440 but this was the first time someone 540 00:24:21,490 --> 00:24:23,565 had made the case that the Entertainment Office was 541 00:24:23,615 --> 00:24:26,180 a sophisticated propaganda machine. 542 00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:28,790 Suid did not like this at all. 543 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,460 He wrote a scathing review that all but charged Robb 544 00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:33,590 with fabrication and dismissed the idea 545 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,960 that the office wielded any influence over movies 546 00:24:36,010 --> 00:24:38,240 beyond making them more accurate. 547 00:24:38,290 --> 00:24:41,330 Robb shot back, calling the review libelous. 548 00:24:41,380 --> 00:24:44,030 It has to be the most contentious exchange I've ever 549 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,640 seen in an academic journal. 550 00:24:46,690 --> 00:24:48,740 But Robb's work inspired other researchers 551 00:24:48,790 --> 00:24:50,450 like Matthew Alford, who set out to get 552 00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:52,610 a full sense of the operation. 553 00:24:52,660 --> 00:24:56,780 And this is two decades, three decades after these things 554 00:24:56,830 --> 00:24:58,370 should have been investigated. 555 00:24:58,420 --> 00:24:59,702 I started looking into it. 556 00:24:59,752 --> 00:25:01,910 And of course, I contacted the Department of Defense. 557 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,490 I contact Phil Strub. 558 00:25:04,540 --> 00:25:09,110 And Strub can say to me, oh, we don't have that documentation. 559 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,107 We've given it to Lawrence Suid. 560 00:25:13,157 --> 00:25:14,690 So he picked up the trail 561 00:25:14,740 --> 00:25:17,390 himself, just across the pond and just up the river 562 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,802 from the Pentagon at Georgetown University Library. 563 00:25:20,852 --> 00:25:22,010 You asked if I was nervous. 564 00:25:22,060 --> 00:25:23,990 And a little bit nervous. 565 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,450 Not really nervous about being on camera. 566 00:25:26,500 --> 00:25:30,110 But nervous because I've just spent a large amount of money 567 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,340 to come over to a library. 568 00:25:33,390 --> 00:25:36,675 And I've spent over $1,000 to come to a library. 569 00:25:36,725 --> 00:25:39,050 There, he found the public collection of DOD 570 00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:42,060 donated documents, which he could access no problem. 571 00:25:42,110 --> 00:25:44,360 But then there was Suid's personal collection, 572 00:25:44,410 --> 00:25:46,580 which Georgetown held quite separately. 573 00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:49,640 This was the real prize, the documents the DOD had 574 00:25:49,690 --> 00:25:52,190 given exclusively to Suid. 575 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,950 So every time anyone wanted to go 576 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,810 into that private collection, which 577 00:25:56,860 --> 00:25:58,970 as far as I can tell, no one ever did, 578 00:25:59,020 --> 00:26:01,370 because it was never advertised, it was never-- 579 00:26:01,420 --> 00:26:04,370 there was no kind of publicity or awareness 580 00:26:04,420 --> 00:26:08,300 of this whole thing, but when I tried to get into that archive 581 00:26:08,350 --> 00:26:10,250 and when a couple of my colleagues 582 00:26:10,300 --> 00:26:12,950 tried to get into that archive, Lawrence Suid 583 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,840 was able simply to say no. 584 00:26:14,890 --> 00:26:17,640 I'm using that. 585 00:26:17,690 --> 00:26:20,370 What do you do if you get stonewalled like this? 586 00:26:20,420 --> 00:26:22,740 Well, you need a real bulldog. 587 00:26:22,790 --> 00:26:25,980 Enter another enterprising Brit, freelance journalist Tom 588 00:26:26,030 --> 00:26:27,030 Secker. 589 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,330 Having read Robb's work, too, he had been carpet bombing the DOD 590 00:26:30,380 --> 00:26:32,940 with Freedom of Information Act requests. 591 00:26:32,990 --> 00:26:34,680 Hey guys, we've got some new documents. 592 00:26:34,730 --> 00:26:39,870 These are some DOD script notes on the film Pitch Perfect 3. 593 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,330 In fact, the government was so annoyed 594 00:26:42,380 --> 00:26:44,280 at the amount of document requests 595 00:26:44,330 --> 00:26:48,480 that Tom Secker put in that they labeled him a vexatious 596 00:26:48,530 --> 00:26:50,880 requester. 597 00:26:50,930 --> 00:26:53,393 And so Tom, and I think Tom actually found out 598 00:26:53,443 --> 00:26:55,560 that he was called a vexatious requester, because he 599 00:26:55,610 --> 00:26:58,470 put in a request for any information about himself 600 00:26:58,520 --> 00:26:59,910 in emails. 601 00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:03,750 And so from that point, I think I said to Tom, well, 602 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,480 maybe you should put in more requests. 603 00:27:06,530 --> 00:27:09,460 And Tom said, oh yeah, I'd quite like to do that. 604 00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:12,930 And then, it just snowballed from that point. 605 00:27:12,980 --> 00:27:16,350 And we ended up having thousands and thousands of pages 606 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:17,958 of documentation come in. 607 00:27:18,008 --> 00:27:19,500 Internal correspondence, 608 00:27:19,550 --> 00:27:22,770 activity reports, line by line script changes. 609 00:27:22,820 --> 00:27:25,050 The world was opening up. 610 00:27:25,100 --> 00:27:26,700 Then another break. 611 00:27:26,750 --> 00:27:28,800 In an email, Phil Strub offhandedly 612 00:27:28,850 --> 00:27:31,710 mentioned the existence of an incomplete database. 613 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,020 So Tom put in a request for it. 614 00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:35,850 First, the army denied having it. 615 00:27:35,900 --> 00:27:39,120 And then later that year, the request came through. 616 00:27:39,170 --> 00:27:41,490 This was the Rosetta Stone. 617 00:27:41,540 --> 00:27:43,410 Although missing lots of entries, the database 618 00:27:43,460 --> 00:27:48,580 listed 900, all the way to the present, films and TV shows. 619 00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:49,950 It was a bit of a shock. 620 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,080 When we interviewed Strub, a few years back, 621 00:27:52,130 --> 00:27:54,540 he denied even keeping count. 622 00:27:54,590 --> 00:27:58,380 Well, I don't have an exact number that 623 00:27:58,430 --> 00:28:02,460 would describe what pictures the department was involved with 624 00:28:02,510 --> 00:28:03,131 or-- 625 00:28:03,181 --> 00:28:05,130 Before all these document releases, 626 00:28:05,180 --> 00:28:07,800 you had to assume that the DOD and CIA had affected 627 00:28:07,850 --> 00:28:09,840 only a couple hundred films. 628 00:28:09,890 --> 00:28:12,360 Now we could account for 10 times that many, 629 00:28:12,410 --> 00:28:16,440 more than 2,500 films and television shows. 630 00:28:16,490 --> 00:28:18,480 Count up the individual TV episodes, 631 00:28:18,530 --> 00:28:19,830 and it's thousands more. 632 00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:26,050 Naturally, the CIA files have been harder to crack. 633 00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:31,870 It's tough, because the CIA has been less transparent than 634 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,290 the Department of Defense in terms of how they work with 635 00:28:35,340 --> 00:28:39,190 Hollywood, because so much of their stuff is done 636 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,870 in the pre-production stage. 637 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,110 It happens in conversations over the phone. 638 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,460 There's not a paper trail. 639 00:28:46,510 --> 00:28:48,010 There are emails that are exchanged. 640 00:28:48,060 --> 00:28:50,170 But you have to get access to those emails 641 00:28:50,220 --> 00:28:51,940 through a FOIA request. 642 00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:53,360 Sometimes those are denied. 643 00:28:53,410 --> 00:28:55,700 Sometimes those take years to come to fruition. 644 00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:58,570 And so this relationship, and exactly how it works, 645 00:28:58,620 --> 00:29:01,420 and what scenes the CIA has objected to, what 646 00:29:01,470 --> 00:29:04,990 scenes they were pushing in order to have them incorporated 647 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,070 into the final product is a very murky world 648 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,250 that's very hard for academics to penetrate. 649 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,200 While the CIA material trickled in, 650 00:29:17,250 --> 00:29:20,410 the DOD story took a dramatic turn. 651 00:29:20,460 --> 00:29:21,790 I knew Suid had been ailing. 652 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,580 But in late 2019, Georgetown Library 653 00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:27,460 informed me that he passed away. 654 00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:30,260 I would never get to meet him. 655 00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:33,230 I would get to meet his archive, though. 656 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,480 I was shocked to learn that his estate had opened it 657 00:29:35,530 --> 00:29:36,560 to the public. 658 00:29:36,610 --> 00:29:40,340 And I was the first to have a look. 659 00:29:40,390 --> 00:29:43,250 The collection truly took my breath away, 660 00:29:43,300 --> 00:29:45,830 a mountain of official documents that blew the lid 661 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,110 off the whole operation. 662 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,870 But a few other things caught my eye, too. 663 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,120 There were these little notes from the Pentagon Office 664 00:29:53,170 --> 00:29:55,100 that suggested Suid just had to ask, 665 00:29:55,150 --> 00:29:58,550 and they'd hand the documents right over. 666 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,760 There was also a big stash of audiotaped interviews. 667 00:30:01,810 --> 00:30:03,770 It struck me that the ones with Phil Strub 668 00:30:03,820 --> 00:30:05,570 seemed pretty chummy. 669 00:30:05,620 --> 00:30:07,250 Strub promises to give up files. 670 00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:10,910 And you can hear him tapping away at the Pentagon database. 671 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,977 GI Jane has a file? 672 00:30:13,027 --> 00:30:14,060 Probably, yes. 673 00:30:14,110 --> 00:30:15,950 OK, but no cooperation. 674 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,050 Tuskegee Airmen, you gave them some help? 675 00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:20,270 Oh, yeah, big time. 676 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,600 What was the one I was just going to look up? 677 00:30:22,650 --> 00:30:23,451 Forrest Gump. 678 00:30:23,501 --> 00:30:25,310 Yeah, Forrest Gump. 679 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,470 Apparently Strub gave Suid database 680 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,210 login privileges. 681 00:30:29,260 --> 00:30:31,850 I found a screenshot in the collection. 682 00:30:31,900 --> 00:30:34,032 That's some high level clearance. 683 00:30:34,082 --> 00:30:35,490 - I - have that written. 684 00:30:35,540 --> 00:30:38,065 You'll see the manuscript, The Siege. 685 00:30:38,115 --> 00:30:39,440 Hold on, did he just 686 00:30:39,490 --> 00:30:42,680 tell Strub you'll see the manuscript? 687 00:30:42,730 --> 00:30:44,810 Then I discovered older taped interviews 688 00:30:44,860 --> 00:30:47,990 with Donald Baruch, who ran the office before Strub. 689 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,595 He's giving notes on the Guts and Glory manuscript. 690 00:30:51,645 --> 00:30:52,970 At the top of page 5, 691 00:30:53,020 --> 00:30:54,950 you say "filled with historic--" this 692 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,100 is in regard to Deer Hunter. 693 00:30:58,150 --> 00:30:59,990 Now, we're on page 6, and you say 694 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,360 "although the Navy provided--" final paragraph on page 3-- 695 00:31:03,410 --> 00:31:08,850 page 7, I would suggest deleting "at the same time" 696 00:31:08,900 --> 00:31:11,070 and starting "the studios recognized 697 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,190 the value of Department of Defense cooperation." 698 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,660 Now you're saying here-- 699 00:31:15,710 --> 00:31:16,860 Page 12? 700 00:31:16,910 --> 00:31:18,570 Page 12. 701 00:31:18,620 --> 00:31:20,640 I had to wonder, how deep was 702 00:31:20,690 --> 00:31:23,400 Suid's relationship with the Pentagon Office? 703 00:31:23,450 --> 00:31:26,940 So I headed to New York to Don Baruch's personal archive, 704 00:31:26,990 --> 00:31:31,350 kept at Baruch College founded by his uncle, the financier. 705 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,450 In a box of Office memorabilia, they 706 00:31:33,500 --> 00:31:35,910 happened to have Baruch's Rolodex. 707 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,130 Right alongside Clint Eastwood and other Hollywood 708 00:31:38,180 --> 00:31:41,380 heavyweights, there was Lawrence Suid. 709 00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:43,450 Baruch also kept a Suid file. 710 00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:46,270 In it, I found his letter recommending the Guts and Glory 711 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,940 project for a Guggenheim Fellowship. 712 00:31:48,990 --> 00:31:51,850 He even kept early drafts of its chapters and clippings 713 00:31:51,900 --> 00:31:53,970 of its reviews. 714 00:31:54,020 --> 00:31:55,520 So there it was. 715 00:31:55,570 --> 00:31:57,560 For decades, the Office had been trading 716 00:31:57,610 --> 00:31:59,810 access to influence not just the big screen, 717 00:31:59,860 --> 00:32:02,640 but also its very own story. 718 00:32:02,690 --> 00:32:04,400 It was starting to become clear why we had 719 00:32:04,450 --> 00:32:08,524 known so little for so long. 720 00:32:14,970 --> 00:32:17,740 If you really want to dive into these script negotiations, 721 00:32:17,790 --> 00:32:19,660 a good place to start is how these offices 722 00:32:19,710 --> 00:32:22,840 project the institution itself on the screen. 723 00:32:22,890 --> 00:32:24,880 Take something obvious, like recruiting, which 724 00:32:24,930 --> 00:32:27,047 runs deeper than you think. 725 00:32:27,097 --> 00:32:28,630 This kind of thing has a long history. 726 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,850 But of course, Top Gun took it to new heights. 727 00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:35,955 They even set up recruiting tables outside theaters. 728 00:32:36,005 --> 00:32:37,330 This function of the film was not 729 00:32:37,380 --> 00:32:39,362 lost on Director Tony Scott. 730 00:32:39,412 --> 00:32:41,320 All these kids must hate me, because they all 731 00:32:41,370 --> 00:32:44,230 signed on thinking they're going to be fighter pilots pulling 732 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:45,520 broads all over the world. 733 00:32:45,570 --> 00:32:47,800 And they all ended up in 11 stories down 734 00:32:47,850 --> 00:32:49,300 in some shitty old aircraft carrier, 735 00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:51,760 stuck in the Indian Ocean. 736 00:32:51,810 --> 00:32:54,195 Hollywood, you're looking good. 737 00:32:54,245 --> 00:32:55,570 More recently, there 738 00:32:55,620 --> 00:32:58,360 have been even bigger leaps into this territory. 739 00:32:58,410 --> 00:33:01,240 Act of Valor literally started life as a recruitment ad 740 00:33:01,290 --> 00:33:05,410 before the Navy decided it would make a good feature film. 741 00:33:05,460 --> 00:33:08,110 Captain Marvel was also a recruiting bonanza, 742 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,500 a vehicle for the Air Force to reach young women. 743 00:33:11,550 --> 00:33:15,100 The Air Force was welcoming and amazing. 744 00:33:15,150 --> 00:33:18,430 It was important for Brie to go up in the F-16 745 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,800 and discover who Carol Danvers is. 746 00:33:20,850 --> 00:33:21,820 Going to be fun. 747 00:33:21,870 --> 00:33:24,010 The core of her is the Air Force. 748 00:33:24,060 --> 00:33:25,450 It's the spirit of the Air Force. 749 00:33:25,500 --> 00:33:27,970 But more than anything, it was like the spirit of the Air 750 00:33:28,020 --> 00:33:32,110 Force and the spirit of being a pilot. 751 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,960 Even the CIA is in on the game. 752 00:33:35,010 --> 00:33:38,770 Its involvement in the show Alias went far beyond support. 753 00:33:38,820 --> 00:33:40,810 Jennifer Garner, who played the main character, 754 00:33:40,860 --> 00:33:43,300 did a series of recruitment pitches. 755 00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:46,600 Right now, the CIA has important exciting jobs 756 00:33:46,650 --> 00:33:47,650 for US citizens. 757 00:33:52,900 --> 00:33:55,400 Then there's The Recruit. 758 00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:57,680 You're kidding. 759 00:33:57,730 --> 00:34:02,300 Applications for the CIA are up tenfold. 760 00:34:02,350 --> 00:34:05,170 Would I have to kill anyone? 761 00:34:05,220 --> 00:34:07,300 Would you like to? 762 00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:09,490 Not too subtle, right? 763 00:34:09,540 --> 00:34:11,980 But you'd still never guess how large of a role 764 00:34:12,030 --> 00:34:15,040 is played by Chase Brandon, the longtime head of the CIA's 765 00:34:15,090 --> 00:34:16,044 Entertainment Office. 766 00:34:16,094 --> 00:34:17,919 And almost nobody knows this, 767 00:34:17,969 --> 00:34:21,550 but Chase Brandon wrote the entire treatment 768 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,149 and like 80 pages of the original draft of The Recruit. 769 00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:28,060 And he is not listed as a screenwriter 770 00:34:28,110 --> 00:34:29,800 at all in those credits. 771 00:34:29,850 --> 00:34:33,220 The only thing he is listed as is a technical consultant. 772 00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:37,620 You have all just stepped through the looking glass. 773 00:34:37,670 --> 00:34:43,306 What you see, what you hear, nothing is what it seems. 774 00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:49,629 Beyond the recruiting pitch itself, 775 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:51,820 these institutions are also keen to sweep 776 00:34:51,870 --> 00:34:54,939 persistent internal problems under the rug. 777 00:34:54,989 --> 00:34:58,060 The Pentagon is very sensitive about depicting mental health 778 00:34:58,110 --> 00:34:59,480 issues. 779 00:34:59,530 --> 00:35:01,330 For example, they denied Home of the Brave 780 00:35:01,380 --> 00:35:04,420 due to the "vein of suicide, domestic violence, chemical 781 00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:06,170 abuse, and depression." 782 00:35:06,220 --> 00:35:08,860 They didn't like the image of vets having a miserable 783 00:35:08,910 --> 00:35:11,590 time readjusting to life. 784 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:12,940 It was unfortunate. 785 00:35:12,990 --> 00:35:14,530 The Pentagon was making it harder 786 00:35:14,580 --> 00:35:16,900 to produce this film exactly when vets 787 00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:19,540 needed the public conversation the most. 788 00:35:19,590 --> 00:35:21,370 Record high military suicide. 789 00:35:21,420 --> 00:35:23,500 Military suicides are on the rise. 790 00:35:23,550 --> 00:35:24,917 Over the next decade, 791 00:35:24,967 --> 00:35:27,400 way more military personnel would die by suicide 792 00:35:27,450 --> 00:35:30,370 than combat. 793 00:35:30,420 --> 00:35:33,190 The Office has also worked to downplay any impression 794 00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:37,000 that the military has struggled with institutional racism. 795 00:35:37,050 --> 00:35:39,490 A good example of how they typically approach the issue 796 00:35:39,540 --> 00:35:42,580 is the Laurence Fishburne movie The Tuskegee Airmen. 797 00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:44,350 It was based on the real life experiences 798 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,130 of the first African-American air squadron in World War II. 799 00:35:48,180 --> 00:35:50,740 How did the Office deal with the story of racism 800 00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:52,210 in the military? 801 00:35:52,260 --> 00:35:55,240 By containing the racism two a bad apple, of course, 802 00:35:55,290 --> 00:35:59,620 who then has to be dressed down by his superior officer. 803 00:35:59,670 --> 00:36:01,060 This meant also making sure there 804 00:36:01,110 --> 00:36:03,190 was no racism depicted coming from the top 805 00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:05,000 of the chain of command. 806 00:36:05,050 --> 00:36:07,630 They reversed characters to make the Senator, rather than 807 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,910 the general, the source of the bigotry. 808 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,230 I'm General Stevenson. 809 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,763 This is Senator Conyers. 810 00:36:13,813 --> 00:36:15,430 So with this new storyline, 811 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,222 what about the scene in the original script 812 00:36:17,272 --> 00:36:19,960 where a baseball game breaks out into racist taunts 813 00:36:20,010 --> 00:36:21,490 and a fistfight? 814 00:36:21,540 --> 00:36:24,160 It appears in this scene that race was and remained 815 00:36:24,210 --> 00:36:26,980 a major factor to the troops, which it did not, 816 00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:29,260 the Office declared quite confidently. 817 00:36:29,310 --> 00:36:32,920 So the fight is out of place and has to go. 818 00:36:32,970 --> 00:36:34,810 Maybe the office doesn't get the irony 819 00:36:34,860 --> 00:36:37,570 that its habit of covering up institutional racism 820 00:36:37,620 --> 00:36:39,745 is institutional racism. 821 00:36:43,180 --> 00:36:44,960 Like racism, the Entertainment Office 822 00:36:45,010 --> 00:36:46,460 has done its best to make you forget 823 00:36:46,510 --> 00:36:48,740 all about sexual harassment and assault 824 00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:51,950 in the ranks, which includes a pattern of leaders retaliating 825 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,650 against victims who complain. 826 00:36:54,700 --> 00:36:58,760 The problem first went public in 1991 with the Tailhook scandal. 827 00:36:58,810 --> 00:37:01,010 This is where hundreds of Navy servicemen 828 00:37:01,060 --> 00:37:03,020 assaulted more than 80 servicewomen 829 00:37:03,070 --> 00:37:05,360 at a convention in Las Vegas. 830 00:37:05,410 --> 00:37:08,750 A congressional investigation flagged a Top Gun mentality 831 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:09,800 as a major factor. 832 00:37:14,650 --> 00:37:16,190 The fallout from Tailhook is what 833 00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:19,340 delayed a sequel for so long. 834 00:37:19,390 --> 00:37:21,920 Since then, the Office has treated sexual harassment 835 00:37:21,970 --> 00:37:26,090 and assault more like a PR problem than an actual one. 836 00:37:26,140 --> 00:37:28,310 They denied GI Jane because it dared 837 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,790 to depict a high officer harassing with impunity. 838 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,860 And in more recent years, they have actively 839 00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:36,080 endeavored to whitewash the issue. 840 00:37:36,130 --> 00:37:38,780 They've enlisted their long running partners, Army Wives 841 00:37:38,830 --> 00:37:42,000 and NCIS to run a counter plot line. 842 00:37:42,050 --> 00:37:43,730 The problem in this alternate universe 843 00:37:43,780 --> 00:37:45,890 is the victim, who refuses to admit 844 00:37:45,940 --> 00:37:47,960 that an assault has occurred. 845 00:37:48,010 --> 00:37:50,810 The military leadership is so eager for justice, 846 00:37:50,860 --> 00:37:53,930 though, that they launch an investigation anyway. 847 00:37:53,980 --> 00:37:56,330 Zero tolerance is no slogan around here, agents. 848 00:37:56,380 --> 00:37:57,560 It's a moral imperative. 849 00:37:57,610 --> 00:37:59,493 If that officer was harmed on this ship, 850 00:37:59,543 --> 00:38:01,160 we'll move heaven and Earth to help you. 851 00:38:01,210 --> 00:38:03,530 I only wish Farrell had said something at the time. 852 00:38:03,580 --> 00:38:05,150 We could have done something about it. 853 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,010 We're doing something now. 854 00:38:07,060 --> 00:38:10,288 Given that the Navy reviews every NCIS script, what 855 00:38:10,338 --> 00:38:12,080 would happen if the producers were to drift 856 00:38:12,130 --> 00:38:14,270 from this official plot? 857 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,580 Well at one point, the Navy received a script 858 00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:19,280 that more closely resembled what targets had repeatedly 859 00:38:19,330 --> 00:38:22,010 described, harassment by numerous crew members 860 00:38:22,060 --> 00:38:24,140 and unresponsive leadership. 861 00:38:24,190 --> 00:38:26,870 The Entertainment Office sounded the alarm. 862 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,550 A panicked conference call and a day 863 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,060 later, the Navy had revised the entire storyline. 864 00:38:32,110 --> 00:38:33,840 When the episode eventually aired, 865 00:38:33,890 --> 00:38:36,590 it was a tale of sailor bystanders stepping in, 866 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,250 and timely and effective engagement by those in charge. 867 00:38:40,300 --> 00:38:43,610 A matter as sensitive as this required immediate action. 868 00:38:43,660 --> 00:38:46,550 During our transit, I ordered an investigation. 869 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,070 Even wins over a skeptical detective in the end 870 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,940 after she sees him go the extra mile to nab the perpetrator. 871 00:38:52,990 --> 00:38:57,836 See, no institutionally enabled rape culture here. 872 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,390 Another main job of the Office is 873 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,360 to sell regular Americans on pouring vast resources 874 00:39:10,410 --> 00:39:12,190 into these institutions. 875 00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:14,560 All those weapons can get expensive. 876 00:39:14,610 --> 00:39:17,830 Pushing them had always been a staple of old style propaganda 877 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,870 films like The Big Picture series. 878 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:20,920 One example. 879 00:39:20,970 --> 00:39:23,650 The F-111, the greatest innovation 880 00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:25,833 in aircraft design of recent years. 881 00:39:25,883 --> 00:39:28,000 But over time, the Entertainment Office 882 00:39:28,050 --> 00:39:29,500 took over this function. 883 00:39:29,550 --> 00:39:32,380 The everyday workhorses became those ubiquitous weapons 884 00:39:32,430 --> 00:39:34,990 documentaries on the Discovery, History, and National 885 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,700 Geographic channels. 886 00:39:36,750 --> 00:39:38,440 This kind of boosterism is especially 887 00:39:38,490 --> 00:39:40,900 important for systems like the F-35, which 888 00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:43,480 gained a trillion dollar reputation as the most wasteful 889 00:39:43,530 --> 00:39:45,760 project in Pentagon history. 890 00:39:45,810 --> 00:39:49,180 The goal is normalizing these huge expenditures. 891 00:39:49,230 --> 00:39:51,100 To remain a superpower, 892 00:39:51,150 --> 00:39:54,070 the US needs to constantly update its technology 893 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,050 and military hardware. 894 00:39:56,100 --> 00:39:57,880 It's all over their notes. 895 00:39:57,930 --> 00:40:00,310 A primary reason for assisting is the opportunity 896 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,350 to showcase these weapons. 897 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,630 Projects like these, they say again and again, 898 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,390 support modernizing the force. 899 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,120 And this means that they're able to show off how sexy, 900 00:40:10,170 --> 00:40:12,790 and how wonderful, and how useful, 901 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,300 and how targeted their new products are, 902 00:40:16,350 --> 00:40:17,800 which means that the public is going 903 00:40:17,850 --> 00:40:22,510 to be less liable to criticize the arms industry as something 904 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,560 that is messy, unpleasant, dark, cruel. 905 00:40:29,335 --> 00:40:30,660 Of course, Hollywood 906 00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:33,450 has played a lead role in selling weapons, too. 907 00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:36,030 They rewrote the Hulk so he climbed on an F-22 908 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,070 and rode it into the sky. 909 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,430 They got the F-35 to fly alongside Superman. 910 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,820 And got Ludacris to show off the new Ripsaw vehicle. 911 00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:50,940 6.6 liter V8 DuroMax engine with an M-153 CROWS remotely 912 00:40:50,990 --> 00:40:53,022 operated weapons station on top. 913 00:40:53,072 --> 00:40:54,480 See, the army's developing machines 914 00:40:54,530 --> 00:40:56,650 like this the soldiers can drive from a mile away. 915 00:40:56,700 --> 00:41:00,120 So they can stay safe and alive. 916 00:41:00,170 --> 00:41:02,350 Or consider the Transformers franchise, 917 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,010 which might as well have been a military parade. 918 00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:07,020 The Air Force excitedly listed everything 919 00:41:07,070 --> 00:41:10,470 to be filmed, the army too. 920 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:11,540 Action. 921 00:41:11,590 --> 00:41:14,330 What the Air Force has done in this show has shown us 922 00:41:14,380 --> 00:41:18,140 all the good toys, brand new stuff that really hasn't even 923 00:41:18,190 --> 00:41:20,600 been put into the field yet. 924 00:41:20,650 --> 00:41:22,400 I've always been like some of the first 925 00:41:22,450 --> 00:41:23,990 to shoot military hardware. 926 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,640 In Armageddon, I was the first to shoot the B-2 bomber. 927 00:41:26,690 --> 00:41:28,850 Then this movie was the F-22s. 928 00:41:28,900 --> 00:41:30,800 It's just very fitting that Starscream 929 00:41:30,850 --> 00:41:32,090 was the air commander. 930 00:41:32,140 --> 00:41:34,640 And second in command takes that form 931 00:41:34,690 --> 00:41:37,670 of literally the baddest weapon system in the world right now. 932 00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:42,690 The Iron Man franchise 933 00:41:42,740 --> 00:41:46,050 was an outright celebration of the arms industry. 934 00:41:46,100 --> 00:41:48,850 It started out as the exact opposite. 935 00:41:48,900 --> 00:41:50,490 The original script for the first movie 936 00:41:50,540 --> 00:41:53,670 was all about Tony Stark going to battle against the arms 937 00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:56,130 manufacturers, including his own father, 938 00:41:56,180 --> 00:41:57,930 who he says was stealing his ideas 939 00:41:57,980 --> 00:42:01,590 and twisting them into truly destructive weapons. 940 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,930 By the time the film went into production with the DOD, 941 00:42:03,980 --> 00:42:06,240 however, the whole thing was gone. 942 00:42:06,290 --> 00:42:08,893 Co-star Jeff Bridges told the press they didn't have a script 943 00:42:08,943 --> 00:42:10,560 and were getting regular notes from what 944 00:42:10,610 --> 00:42:12,990 he called the suits at Marvel, who 945 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,162 were, of course, getting notes from the brass at the Pentagon. 946 00:42:16,212 --> 00:42:19,020 Today, Tony Stark has changed the face of the weapons 947 00:42:19,070 --> 00:42:22,170 industry by ensuring freedom and protecting 948 00:42:22,220 --> 00:42:25,868 America and her interests around the globe. 949 00:42:25,918 --> 00:42:27,660 When it was all said and done, 950 00:42:27,710 --> 00:42:30,300 Stark had happily inherited his father's business 951 00:42:30,350 --> 00:42:33,250 and become an emissary of the military industrial complex 952 00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:34,300 himself. 953 00:42:36,670 --> 00:42:40,370 Flipping the storyline cleared the runway for all of this. 954 00:42:40,420 --> 00:42:44,580 B-2 bombers, C-17s, and F-22s, and F-35s, I mean, 955 00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:47,090 you could literally pause the screen and tally it up, 956 00:42:47,140 --> 00:42:49,340 and it would probably come out to a billion and a half 957 00:42:49,390 --> 00:42:50,390 dollars. 958 00:42:56,190 --> 00:42:58,540 On a broader scale, the military and CIA 959 00:42:58,590 --> 00:43:00,280 also want to sell the public on the image 960 00:43:00,330 --> 00:43:03,100 that they are the ones who save the day. 961 00:43:03,150 --> 00:43:06,545 Take the alien invasion film Independence Day. 962 00:43:06,595 --> 00:43:08,170 Like, there are some things that they 963 00:43:08,220 --> 00:43:10,837 objected to which had nothing to do with historical accuracy. 964 00:43:10,887 --> 00:43:12,670 One of the things that they were upset about 965 00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:15,430 is the guy who ultimately defeats 966 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,450 the aliens is a civilian and is not a military hero. 967 00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:21,430 They wanted the heroes of that film 968 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,725 to have military backgrounds. 969 00:43:24,775 --> 00:43:27,100 They also didn't like how the aliens, even though they're 970 00:43:27,150 --> 00:43:29,200 supposed to have advanced technology, 971 00:43:29,250 --> 00:43:33,300 were able to so thoroughly decimate the American military. 972 00:43:33,350 --> 00:43:35,050 The Office listed the damage, 973 00:43:35,100 --> 00:43:40,390 which included 30 F-18s, one B-2 bomber, and one whole Pentagon. 974 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,250 Although they denied the film in the end, 975 00:43:42,300 --> 00:43:45,910 director Roland Emmerich got gun shy about that last one. 976 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,360 So we famously got the Empire State Building, White House, 977 00:43:49,410 --> 00:43:52,480 and Capitol, but not this ultimate showstopper. 978 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,760 Same thing with Rampage where giant mutants attacked 979 00:43:57,810 --> 00:43:59,210 the city. 980 00:43:59,260 --> 00:44:01,480 The Pentagon rejected this one after the filmmakers 981 00:44:01,530 --> 00:44:04,030 failed to incorporate their script notes. 982 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,021 The problem? 983 00:44:05,071 --> 00:44:07,450 The mutants rampage all over the military. 984 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,730 Sci-fi is one thing, but the stakes 985 00:44:12,780 --> 00:44:14,710 go up when it comes to revising the memory 986 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,480 of actual missions gone wrong. 987 00:44:17,530 --> 00:44:20,170 Take the 1993 battle of Mogadishu, Somalia 988 00:44:20,220 --> 00:44:24,130 that eight years later became the basis for Black Hawk Down. 989 00:44:24,180 --> 00:44:26,080 At the time, it was universally regarded 990 00:44:26,130 --> 00:44:28,480 as a debacle, a needless sacrifice 991 00:44:28,530 --> 00:44:32,170 of 19 American troops, not to mention the slaughter of 1,000 992 00:44:32,220 --> 00:44:33,315 Somalis. 993 00:44:33,365 --> 00:44:35,440 Today, I want to talk with you about our nation's 994 00:44:35,490 --> 00:44:37,130 military involvement in Somalia. 995 00:44:37,180 --> 00:44:39,130 Afterward, the Entertainment Office 996 00:44:39,180 --> 00:44:41,050 was on high alert for anything that 997 00:44:41,100 --> 00:44:42,970 looked like it in its scripts. 998 00:44:43,020 --> 00:44:45,670 So for Clear and Present Danger, they worried about a scene 999 00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:49,450 where Colombian militias overwhelmed US special forces. 1000 00:44:49,500 --> 00:44:52,540 "Rangers in Somalia just went through a real world 1001 00:44:52,590 --> 00:44:55,810 fiasco that made the military look ridiculous," they wrote. 1002 00:44:55,860 --> 00:44:58,510 "The DOD is not about to cooperate on a movie that 1003 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,760 does the same thing." 1004 00:45:00,810 --> 00:45:02,530 In this case, they made changes to ensure 1005 00:45:02,580 --> 00:45:05,020 the film would ultimately turn out to be, in their words, 1006 00:45:05,070 --> 00:45:08,960 "more of a commercial for us than damage control." 1007 00:45:09,010 --> 00:45:11,360 But with Black Hawk Down, high level leaders 1008 00:45:11,410 --> 00:45:15,290 saw an opportunity to recast the memory of Somalia altogether. 1009 00:45:15,340 --> 00:45:18,260 We got full cooperation from the Defense Department 1010 00:45:18,310 --> 00:45:21,120 through two administrations, William Cohen who 1011 00:45:21,170 --> 00:45:22,940 was the outgoing Secretary of Defense 1012 00:45:22,990 --> 00:45:25,520 was a big fan of the book and said 1013 00:45:25,570 --> 00:45:27,680 he would help us in any way to get the movie made. 1014 00:45:27,730 --> 00:45:29,930 All that essential equipment gave the DOD 1015 00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:31,640 tremendous leverage. 1016 00:45:31,690 --> 00:45:33,140 Director Ridley Scott said it would 1017 00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:35,670 have been hard to make the film without it. 1018 00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:37,730 And so we went right to the wire 1019 00:45:37,780 --> 00:45:40,340 in terms of negotiation with the Pentagon 1020 00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:42,500 about their requirements as to how 1021 00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:45,020 they wanted to be perceived during the film. 1022 00:45:45,070 --> 00:45:47,640 But that negotiation took a long time. 1023 00:45:47,690 --> 00:45:49,640 First, the Pentagon negotiated away 1024 00:45:49,690 --> 00:45:51,778 a few unheroic things. 1025 00:45:51,828 --> 00:45:53,570 The original book was actually very good. 1026 00:45:53,620 --> 00:45:56,040 And there was loads of things changed in that. 1027 00:45:56,090 --> 00:45:58,910 But the most obvious thing was that one 1028 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,990 of the veterans who came back from Somalia, 1029 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,595 he was convicted of sexually assaulting a child. 1030 00:46:06,645 --> 00:46:07,970 It got out that they 1031 00:46:08,020 --> 00:46:11,780 had pressured the filmmakers to change the character's name. 1032 00:46:11,830 --> 00:46:12,711 So they created-- 1033 00:46:12,761 --> 00:46:15,350 the only composite character, the only totally fictionalized 1034 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,307 character in that film, was Ewan McGregor. 1035 00:46:19,740 --> 00:46:21,940 With those messy details out of the way, 1036 00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:24,520 all they had to do was focus on the story of the rescue 1037 00:46:24,570 --> 00:46:27,010 and avoid any bigger questions. 1038 00:46:27,060 --> 00:46:29,920 The filmmakers grabbed victory out 1039 00:46:29,970 --> 00:46:33,130 of the jaws of defeat, a symbolic victory, 1040 00:46:33,180 --> 00:46:35,300 where that film did just that. 1041 00:46:35,350 --> 00:46:39,440 The soldiers say, I don't care about the politics. 1042 00:46:39,490 --> 00:46:43,750 I'm just in it to fight next to the guy beside me. 1043 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,030 And we're not going to leave anybody behind. 1044 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,800 You know what I think? 1045 00:46:49,850 --> 00:46:52,610 It don't really matter what I think. 1046 00:46:52,660 --> 00:46:55,880 Once that first bullet goes past your head, politics 1047 00:46:55,930 --> 00:46:59,640 and all that shit, just goes right out the window. 1048 00:46:59,690 --> 00:47:02,320 But Somalia was a mess from beginning to end. 1049 00:47:02,370 --> 00:47:05,940 We had-- America had three or four abortive missions there 1050 00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:07,530 that had not worked before. 1051 00:47:07,580 --> 00:47:10,800 We'd set up a scenario that was like this, 1052 00:47:10,850 --> 00:47:14,130 that the people started to distrust us and hate us. 1053 00:47:14,180 --> 00:47:16,695 And then we covered it all up with this nonsense movie. 1054 00:47:19,460 --> 00:47:23,040 It's a typical whitewash of a military-- 1055 00:47:23,090 --> 00:47:26,172 military corruption, typical. 1056 00:47:26,222 --> 00:47:27,630 From then on, the film 1057 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,940 became a model for restoring public faith 1058 00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:32,650 when overseas interventions go wrong. 1059 00:47:32,700 --> 00:47:34,860 It turns out, you can always rescue history 1060 00:47:34,910 --> 00:47:35,910 with a rescue story. 1061 00:47:39,540 --> 00:47:42,340 The CIA tried it too with Argo. 1062 00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:44,920 The film is based on a rescue that occurred during the Iran 1063 00:47:44,970 --> 00:47:47,890 hostage crisis, how the CIA smuggled Americans 1064 00:47:47,940 --> 00:47:50,710 out by pretending to be a Canadian sci-fi movie 1065 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,752 production company. 1066 00:47:52,802 --> 00:47:54,460 The Entertainment Office had been pushing 1067 00:47:54,510 --> 00:47:56,770 this storyline for a while. 1068 00:47:56,820 --> 00:47:58,870 Five years earlier, the Office had recommended it 1069 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,820 to Hollywood and TV producers on what it 1070 00:48:00,870 --> 00:48:03,370 called it's Now Playing page. 1071 00:48:03,420 --> 00:48:06,850 Eventually, Ben Affleck picked it up as director and star. 1072 00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:09,340 He was already in the pipeline, as he had previously 1073 00:48:09,390 --> 00:48:13,810 starred in another CIA sponsored film, The Sum of All Fears. 1074 00:48:13,860 --> 00:48:17,350 The CIA's exact role in Argo had been something of a mystery, 1075 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:18,131 though. 1076 00:48:18,181 --> 00:48:20,800 They took eight years to respond to Matt Alford's 1077 00:48:20,850 --> 00:48:22,720 Freedom of Information request. 1078 00:48:22,770 --> 00:48:24,790 And when we finally got the internal emails, 1079 00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,610 they didn't include script negotiations. 1080 00:48:27,660 --> 00:48:31,060 We got a peek into how cozy the relationship was, though. 1081 00:48:31,110 --> 00:48:33,490 The CIA knew it had a keeper. 1082 00:48:33,540 --> 00:48:36,190 "We are hoping to develop a close working relationship 1083 00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:39,250 with the filmmakers on this project," they wrote. 1084 00:48:39,300 --> 00:48:41,380 After his first couple of visits to Langley, 1085 00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:45,640 Affleck was obviously keen to stay in the CIA's good graces. 1086 00:48:45,690 --> 00:48:48,475 "We love the agency and this heroic action. 1087 00:48:48,525 --> 00:48:50,350 And we really want the process of bringing it 1088 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,650 to the big screen to be as real as possible." 1089 00:48:53,700 --> 00:48:55,990 Over the course of this gushing relationship, 1090 00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,110 the CIA Public Affairs Office reviewed multiple versions 1091 00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:00,460 of the script. 1092 00:49:00,510 --> 00:49:04,900 "The Agency comes off looking very well, they wrote." 1093 00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:07,540 The synergy couldn't have been more perfect. 1094 00:49:07,590 --> 00:49:10,450 The CIA working with Hollywood to tell a story 1095 00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:14,410 about how the CIA worked with Hollywood to save the day. 1096 00:49:14,460 --> 00:49:17,800 The irony was thick with scenes like this. 1097 00:49:17,850 --> 00:49:19,660 The United States government has just 1098 00:49:19,710 --> 00:49:23,300 sanctioned your science fiction movie. 1099 00:49:23,350 --> 00:49:24,214 Thank you, sir. 1100 00:49:24,264 --> 00:49:25,880 You could say it turned out 1101 00:49:25,930 --> 00:49:28,340 pretty well for both parties. 1102 00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:30,650 And the Oscar goes to-- 1103 00:49:30,700 --> 00:49:32,900 Hey, the First Lady of the administration 1104 00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:34,640 that helped produce the movie. 1105 00:49:34,690 --> 00:49:35,883 Argo. 1106 00:49:35,933 --> 00:49:37,272 Congratulations. 1107 00:49:39,288 --> 00:49:41,030 And hey, it's Jennifer Garner, 1108 00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,810 from that other CIA show, Alias. 1109 00:49:44,860 --> 00:49:46,730 Argo was on a whole different level, 1110 00:49:46,780 --> 00:49:50,120 though, reframing history for a new generation. 1111 00:49:50,170 --> 00:49:52,790 Some parts of the story just got buried, 1112 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,100 like the fact that it was the CIA that 1113 00:49:55,150 --> 00:49:57,980 led the coup that set the whole crisis in motion, which they 1114 00:49:58,030 --> 00:50:00,620 finally acknowledged a year later after the documents were 1115 00:50:00,670 --> 00:50:02,060 declassified. 1116 00:50:02,110 --> 00:50:05,000 That is the coup that toppled Iran's democratically elected 1117 00:50:05,050 --> 00:50:05,998 prime minister. 1118 00:50:06,048 --> 00:50:07,580 And the fact that the CIA 1119 00:50:07,630 --> 00:50:10,070 failed to see the crisis coming. 1120 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,930 Even by Tony Mendez's own admission, 1121 00:50:12,980 --> 00:50:16,490 the Iranian hostage crisis was an intelligence failure. 1122 00:50:16,540 --> 00:50:18,560 For those six people, absolutely, the CIA 1123 00:50:18,610 --> 00:50:20,630 was their savior. 1124 00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,150 Too bad for the other hostages who remained 1125 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,120 in captivity for over a year. 1126 00:50:26,170 --> 00:50:28,100 52 of them to be exact. 1127 00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:31,140 And they just kind of fall out of the script. 1128 00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:34,160 And so the story is not on the failure. 1129 00:50:34,210 --> 00:50:35,550 It is on the success. 1130 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,960 And so Argo really becomes a story of redemption for the CIA 1131 00:50:39,010 --> 00:50:42,740 in the face of one of its biggest intelligence failures. 1132 00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:45,584 Another rescue story in the bag. 1133 00:50:45,634 --> 00:50:47,240 Great work, boys. 1134 00:50:47,290 --> 00:50:48,710 Yeah, I think probably Hollywood 1135 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,360 is full of CIA agents. 1136 00:50:50,410 --> 00:50:51,913 And we just don't know it. 1137 00:50:51,963 --> 00:50:53,330 And I wouldn't be surprised at all 1138 00:50:53,380 --> 00:50:56,570 to discover that this was extremely common. 1139 00:50:56,620 --> 00:51:00,033 Yeah, I doubt he would be surprised. 1140 00:51:06,010 --> 00:51:07,610 I have to confess that at one point, 1141 00:51:07,660 --> 00:51:10,340 I got pretty wrapped up in one of these deals. 1142 00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:12,920 In 2017, the National Geographic Channel 1143 00:51:12,970 --> 00:51:16,610 aired a popular miniseries called The Long Road Home. 1144 00:51:16,660 --> 00:51:19,310 It was about a 2004 ambush of US soldiers 1145 00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,740 outside Baghdad in Sadr City. 1146 00:51:21,790 --> 00:51:23,330 They called it Black Sunday. 1147 00:51:23,380 --> 00:51:26,030 And it put the first big crack in the US public's faith 1148 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:27,650 in the occupation. 1149 00:51:27,700 --> 00:51:29,900 Eventually, ABC correspondent Martha Raddatz 1150 00:51:29,950 --> 00:51:31,220 wrote a bestseller about it. 1151 00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:33,620 And it was optioned for a series. 1152 00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:35,720 The army was all over it, opening up 1153 00:51:35,770 --> 00:51:39,202 Fort Hood, Texas for shooting virtually the entire thing. 1154 00:51:39,252 --> 00:51:40,910 In particular, they allowed the producers 1155 00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,890 to renovate an urban combat training 1156 00:51:42,940 --> 00:51:45,710 site to look like Sadr City. 1157 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,230 This is more than three football fields long. 1158 00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,140 It is the largest set working in North America today. 1159 00:51:51,190 --> 00:51:53,610 Thank you everybody, positions please. 1160 00:51:53,660 --> 00:51:55,610 There you have it, the largest film 1161 00:51:55,660 --> 00:51:59,370 set on the largest military base. 1162 00:51:59,420 --> 00:52:01,400 The promos mentioned the military's involvement. 1163 00:52:01,450 --> 00:52:04,580 So naturally, there was a lot of talk about accuracy. 1164 00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:08,690 It's been amazing having the Army as our advisor, 1165 00:52:08,740 --> 00:52:12,170 because I always wanted this to be as authentic as possible. 1166 00:52:12,220 --> 00:52:14,450 National Geographic is famous for telling the truth. 1167 00:52:14,500 --> 00:52:17,240 I love that they're making honest, real, hard hitting 1168 00:52:17,290 --> 00:52:19,100 television. 1169 00:52:19,150 --> 00:52:20,720 - I - wondered how honest. 1170 00:52:20,770 --> 00:52:22,790 So I contacted a couple of vets who had 1171 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,170 been wounded in the firefight. 1172 00:52:25,220 --> 00:52:27,440 I had the idea to rendezvous with them at the base 1173 00:52:27,490 --> 00:52:29,135 and maybe tour the site. 1174 00:52:29,185 --> 00:52:31,760 I thought the army might jump at the chance to show some Purple 1175 00:52:31,810 --> 00:52:33,530 Heart heroes around. 1176 00:52:33,580 --> 00:52:35,930 After all, they had trained at that very facility 1177 00:52:35,980 --> 00:52:37,200 before shipping out. 1178 00:52:37,250 --> 00:52:39,710 And this was their story. 1179 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,110 No dice. 1180 00:52:41,170 --> 00:52:43,100 I guess the first question I have is, 1181 00:52:43,150 --> 00:52:46,370 one, have you talked to the Chief of Public Affairs 1182 00:52:46,420 --> 00:52:48,560 folks out in Los Angeles? 1183 00:52:48,610 --> 00:52:51,290 That needs to be the first stop before we can allow you 1184 00:52:51,340 --> 00:52:52,670 guys to come in and film. 1185 00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:56,750 Essentially there has to be a production assistance agreement 1186 00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,978 between yourself and the Army. 1187 00:53:00,028 --> 00:53:01,520 If you're curious, yeah, 1188 00:53:01,570 --> 00:53:04,335 I did send them a formal request. 1189 00:53:04,385 --> 00:53:05,960 Do you think I should tell them there's 1190 00:53:06,010 --> 00:53:08,240 a part in the movie where I talk about them changing 1191 00:53:08,290 --> 00:53:12,140 the parts of movies they don't like? 1192 00:53:12,190 --> 00:53:14,810 I just think they're going to want to change that part. 1193 00:53:17,260 --> 00:53:18,900 Well, I eventually did tell them. 1194 00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:21,960 And they stopped writing me back. 1195 00:53:22,010 --> 00:53:23,720 In the meantime, the vets and I could only 1196 00:53:23,770 --> 00:53:26,420 meet in Killeen, Texas, just outside of the base, 1197 00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:30,390 hang out in a modest motel, and watch the show together. 1198 00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,540 I wondered whether they'd recognize themselves 1199 00:53:32,590 --> 00:53:34,970 and what they went through. 1200 00:53:35,020 --> 00:53:36,720 It was traumatic. 1201 00:53:36,770 --> 00:53:39,740 It hurt to see this. 1202 00:53:39,790 --> 00:53:41,720 No, it wasn't that. 1203 00:53:41,770 --> 00:53:45,800 It didn't inspire any flashbacks or anything. 1204 00:53:45,850 --> 00:53:47,986 No, it should have. 1205 00:53:48,036 --> 00:53:54,360 Had it been done properly, 1206 00:53:54,410 --> 00:53:57,060 maybe I would have gobbled it up and had 1207 00:53:57,110 --> 00:54:00,240 different feelings about it, also intense feelings, 1208 00:54:00,290 --> 00:54:03,010 but not anger. 1209 00:54:03,060 --> 00:54:06,720 Yeah, I felt like a liar, because the story that I 1210 00:54:06,770 --> 00:54:09,882 have been telling my family was not what was shown on the show. 1211 00:54:09,932 --> 00:54:11,340 For starters, the guys 1212 00:54:11,390 --> 00:54:13,632 mentioned that the show wasn't too kind to their friend 1213 00:54:13,682 --> 00:54:17,460 and fellow GI Tomas Young in the episode devoted to him. 1214 00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:19,710 This was significant, because his story was that 1215 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,870 of the early peace movement. 1216 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,670 Paralyzed by a bullet, he went on 1217 00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:26,100 to become one of the most visible war protesters, 1218 00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:30,060 alongside Cindy Sheehan, whose son died in the same ambush. 1219 00:54:30,110 --> 00:54:31,770 Young's own death became a symbol 1220 00:54:31,820 --> 00:54:35,280 of the anguish and betrayal felt by many vets. 1221 00:54:35,330 --> 00:54:36,780 Unable to swallow pills, 1222 00:54:36,830 --> 00:54:40,350 unable to pull a trigger, unwilling to implicate anyone 1223 00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:46,410 else, Thomas plans to starve himself to death. 1224 00:54:46,460 --> 00:54:50,220 Wounded April Fourth, 2004, his fifth day in Iraq, 1225 00:54:50,270 --> 00:54:53,610 shot in Sadr City, is now writing 1226 00:54:53,660 --> 00:54:55,680 a letter on this 10th anniversary 1227 00:54:55,730 --> 00:54:58,830 called the last letter, a message to George W Bush. 1228 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,530 You are each guilty of egregious war 1229 00:55:01,580 --> 00:55:06,820 crimes, of plunder, and finally, of murder, 1230 00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:10,110 including the murder of thousands of young Americans, 1231 00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,665 my fellow veterans, whose future you stole. 1232 00:55:16,860 --> 00:55:19,030 Yeah, how did they depict Young? 1233 00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:20,260 As a pussy. 1234 00:55:20,310 --> 00:55:21,310 And he wasn't. 1235 00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:22,720 He was cool. 1236 00:55:22,770 --> 00:55:28,310 He was well read and a cool guy. 1237 00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:29,960 Yeah. 1238 00:55:30,010 --> 00:55:35,063 I think they depicted him as a douche bag. 1239 00:55:35,113 --> 00:55:36,323 What do you know about it? 1240 00:55:40,730 --> 00:55:43,305 War? 1241 00:55:43,355 --> 00:55:46,918 You ever even been shot at? 1242 00:55:46,968 --> 00:55:48,643 Well, then do me a favor and shut up. 1243 00:55:51,503 --> 00:55:53,120 The show carefully controls 1244 00:55:53,170 --> 00:55:56,150 Young's image, especially his anti-war activities. 1245 00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:57,071 We see him protesting. 1246 00:55:57,121 --> 00:55:58,820 But you come away with the sense that he's 1247 00:55:58,870 --> 00:56:01,310 just bitter about having been wounded. 1248 00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,130 We never get to hear any of his speeches. 1249 00:56:04,180 --> 00:56:05,690 According to the documents, the Army 1250 00:56:05,740 --> 00:56:09,260 even vetted each of the protest signs' slogans. 1251 00:56:09,310 --> 00:56:14,100 And of course, they completely avoid mentioning his suicide. 1252 00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:15,330 But there's more. 1253 00:56:15,380 --> 00:56:17,970 The show also went to work correcting any impression 1254 00:56:18,020 --> 00:56:20,910 that Black Sunday was a strategic blunder. 1255 00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:22,680 This was curious, because in the book, 1256 00:56:22,730 --> 00:56:25,470 it's clear that command failed to anticipate the uprising 1257 00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,510 and may have provoked it. 1258 00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,570 They also failed to anticipate the need for armored equipment. 1259 00:56:30,620 --> 00:56:33,000 Scores of soldiers had to head into the firefight 1260 00:56:33,050 --> 00:56:36,900 in unarmored Humvees and fish in a barrel supply trucks. 1261 00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:39,570 But the show lets the man in charge, Battalion Commander 1262 00:56:39,620 --> 00:56:42,000 Gary Volesky, entirely off the hook 1263 00:56:42,050 --> 00:56:44,010 and even makes him the hero. 1264 00:56:44,060 --> 00:56:46,350 The series puts him where he wasn't, in a Humvee 1265 00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,320 at the vulnerable front of the rescue convoy. 1266 00:56:49,370 --> 00:56:50,910 This was a spot that, in reality, 1267 00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:52,680 had been occupied by Captain George 1268 00:56:52,730 --> 00:56:54,810 Lewis, a big part of the book. 1269 00:56:54,860 --> 00:56:58,290 Lewis disappears from the story entirely. 1270 00:56:58,340 --> 00:57:00,980 How are we supposed to turn? 1271 00:57:01,030 --> 00:57:04,640 I wrote to one of my buddies about it. 1272 00:57:04,690 --> 00:57:09,230 I said, I think they're going to put Colonel Volesky in Captain 1273 00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:10,550 Lewis's spot. 1274 00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,130 And he said, that would be a serious deviation 1275 00:57:13,180 --> 00:57:14,360 from the book. 1276 00:57:14,410 --> 00:57:18,110 And then the next episode aired, and sure enough, he 1277 00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:23,090 gives a speech in a motor pool and climbs in and leads us 1278 00:57:23,140 --> 00:57:26,930 from the front, which he did not. 1279 00:57:29,908 --> 00:57:31,650 Turns out, Volesky's character 1280 00:57:31,700 --> 00:57:34,800 does a lot of valorous things up there. 1281 00:57:34,850 --> 00:57:40,680 I don't know how involved General Volesky was-- 1282 00:57:40,730 --> 00:57:44,160 this is part of why I want to hear his thoughts on being 1283 00:57:44,210 --> 00:57:51,680 depicted, imbued with the valor of Captain Lewis. 1284 00:57:51,730 --> 00:57:54,080 It was a question on my mind, too. 1285 00:57:54,130 --> 00:57:56,690 It seemed likely that he'd played some role in the show's 1286 00:57:56,740 --> 00:57:57,710 development. 1287 00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,130 There he is on set, telling everyone to break a leg. 1288 00:58:01,180 --> 00:58:04,280 And it just so happens that he served as Chief of Army Public 1289 00:58:04,330 --> 00:58:07,460 Affairs during a critical period between the first script 1290 00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:11,180 reviews and the show's broadcast. 1291 00:58:11,230 --> 00:58:13,520 There was one more thing gnawing at me. 1292 00:58:13,570 --> 00:58:16,430 Remember Captain Lewis, whom Volesky replaced in the show 1293 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,872 at the front of the rescue convoy? 1294 00:58:18,922 --> 00:58:20,330 The guys mentioned that Volesky had 1295 00:58:20,380 --> 00:58:22,790 made him the primary scapegoat after the ambush 1296 00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,920 and relieved him of duty. 1297 00:58:24,970 --> 00:58:27,320 When he looked at it as a bad thing in the army, 1298 00:58:27,370 --> 00:58:29,180 he lost his job for it. 1299 00:58:29,230 --> 00:58:31,790 But now, to show civilians of it, 1300 00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:36,037 now something heroic, something good. 1301 00:58:36,087 --> 00:58:38,120 I had to track Lewis down and ask him 1302 00:58:38,170 --> 00:58:39,440 about all this. 1303 00:58:39,490 --> 00:58:41,330 He was working for the Army as a civilian 1304 00:58:41,380 --> 00:58:43,190 at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. 1305 00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,020 He confirmed that Volesky had indeed 1306 00:58:45,070 --> 00:58:46,850 removed him from his post. 1307 00:58:46,900 --> 00:58:48,440 But what did he think about Volesky 1308 00:58:48,490 --> 00:58:52,340 taking his place in the convoy on the show? 1309 00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:55,287 Yeah, I don't know why they did that. 1310 00:58:55,337 --> 00:58:57,620 It doesn't make much sense to have a battalion commander 1311 00:58:57,670 --> 00:59:00,398 leading a convoy of a company. 1312 00:59:00,448 --> 00:59:01,940 I mean, that's a pretty simple thing. 1313 00:59:01,990 --> 00:59:04,142 I think most people who have any military experience 1314 00:59:04,192 --> 00:59:05,600 would say, wait a sec, that doesn't 1315 00:59:05,650 --> 00:59:07,690 make a whole lot of sense. 1316 00:59:07,740 --> 00:59:09,960 And what would he want to say to Volesky? 1317 00:59:10,010 --> 00:59:11,930 Yeah, I'm just wondering how it happened 1318 00:59:11,980 --> 00:59:15,980 and whether he had any knowledge or involvement in it. 1319 00:59:16,030 --> 00:59:17,240 And I hope he didn't. 1320 00:59:20,340 --> 00:59:25,065 I mean, because if he did, I mean it'd completely trash 1321 00:59:25,115 --> 00:59:26,640 any respect I had for him. 1322 00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:36,460 I don't think the blunder came with Captain Lewis-- 1323 00:59:36,510 --> 00:59:40,130 was one who took the brunt of it, who got relieved of duty. 1324 00:59:40,180 --> 00:59:44,240 I think the blunder came from way up top, because I mean, 1325 00:59:44,290 --> 00:59:47,741 we didn't have armored vehicles. 1326 00:59:47,791 --> 00:59:50,330 Some guys had armor that didn't fit. 1327 00:59:50,380 --> 00:59:53,630 Some guys-- it was just a total-- 1328 00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:55,130 Mechanized infantry 1329 00:59:55,180 --> 00:59:56,420 against a supply truck. 1330 00:59:56,470 --> 01:00:00,530 We didn't do anything that we trained for. 1331 01:00:00,580 --> 01:00:01,580 Yeah. 1332 01:00:01,630 --> 01:00:03,950 That's not the story we got, though. 1333 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,050 We didn't see those in charge needlessly 1334 01:00:06,100 --> 01:00:08,060 sacrificing the lives of these soldiers 1335 01:00:08,110 --> 01:00:11,360 or Young's fight to make sure it doesn't happen again. 1336 01:00:11,410 --> 01:00:15,440 It was a story of a good war and a misguided peace movement. 1337 01:00:15,490 --> 01:00:17,900 It was a story of enemies who come out of nowhere 1338 01:00:17,950 --> 01:00:20,720 and a battalion commander who puts his own life on the line 1339 01:00:20,770 --> 01:00:22,940 to get his guys back. 1340 01:00:22,990 --> 01:00:25,970 That's how Black Sunday goes from a black eye to something 1341 01:00:26,020 --> 01:00:29,195 more like Black Hawk Down. 1342 01:00:29,245 --> 01:00:31,820 I have to wonder, OK, why are they 1343 01:00:31,870 --> 01:00:32,940 doing this? 1344 01:00:32,990 --> 01:00:35,330 Why are they depicting these scenes 1345 01:00:35,380 --> 01:00:40,120 that contradict what happened? 1346 01:00:40,170 --> 01:00:42,760 I don't think that's creative license. 1347 01:00:42,810 --> 01:00:46,399 I think that's a cover-up. 1348 01:00:52,293 --> 01:00:53,910 There's still one big issue 1349 01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:55,380 that we haven't touched. 1350 01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:58,290 What about certain unsavory historical realities 1351 01:00:58,340 --> 01:01:01,770 that the CIA and Pentagon would rather keep tucked away? 1352 01:01:01,820 --> 01:01:03,387 Consider war crimes. 1353 01:01:03,437 --> 01:01:05,220 In short, they want you to know that there's 1354 01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:07,330 nothing to see here. 1355 01:01:07,380 --> 01:01:09,600 For example, the CIA has always been 1356 01:01:09,650 --> 01:01:12,240 sensitive about its associations with torture. 1357 01:01:12,290 --> 01:01:15,420 For a long time, it was the number one showstopper, 1358 01:01:15,470 --> 01:01:16,406 no joke. 1359 01:01:16,456 --> 01:01:18,030 So in Meet the Parents, 1360 01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:22,800 for example, Ben Stiller walks into Robert De Niro's office-- 1361 01:01:22,850 --> 01:01:25,500 Robert De Niro is the CIA character. 1362 01:01:25,550 --> 01:01:29,550 And in the original script, he is 1363 01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:33,720 meant to see CIA torture manuals on the desk 1364 01:01:33,770 --> 01:01:35,925 all around, as a way of-- 1365 01:01:35,975 --> 01:01:37,000 as part of the script. 1366 01:01:37,050 --> 01:01:39,330 It's a way of making Robert De Niro's character 1367 01:01:39,380 --> 01:01:42,120 look frightening. 1368 01:01:42,170 --> 01:01:44,175 However, the CIA itself did not like this. 1369 01:01:44,225 --> 01:01:46,050 And because they were consulting on the film, 1370 01:01:46,100 --> 01:01:47,580 they asked for it to be changed. 1371 01:01:47,630 --> 01:01:50,370 And so that's why when Ben Stiller goes 1372 01:01:50,420 --> 01:01:54,870 into that office in the finished film, 1373 01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:59,700 it's just pictures of Robert De Niro meeting famous people 1374 01:01:59,750 --> 01:02:00,960 like President Clinton. 1375 01:02:03,620 --> 01:02:06,172 It's watered down, basically. 1376 01:02:06,222 --> 01:02:07,880 Looking for something, Greg? 1377 01:02:07,930 --> 01:02:09,240 Oh. 1378 01:02:09,290 --> 01:02:11,670 Things changed after 9/11, though. 1379 01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:13,920 The CIA teamed up with shows like 24, 1380 01:02:13,970 --> 01:02:17,880 which did depict torture, lots of it, 1381 01:02:17,930 --> 01:02:21,930 but as a justified and effective measure to keep America safe. 1382 01:02:21,980 --> 01:02:24,600 You got information, Paul, I need it now. 1383 01:02:24,650 --> 01:02:26,850 By the time Zero Dark Thirty arrived, 1384 01:02:26,900 --> 01:02:30,630 the CIA's use of torture was an established controversy. 1385 01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:32,610 The red flags went up when it went public 1386 01:02:32,660 --> 01:02:35,730 that the Obama administration was involved in the film. 1387 01:02:35,780 --> 01:02:38,730 What has some on Capitol Hill so angry? 1388 01:02:38,780 --> 01:02:40,980 You believe, when watching this movie, 1389 01:02:41,030 --> 01:02:44,160 that waterboarding and torture leads 1390 01:02:44,210 --> 01:02:48,670 to information that leads then to the elimination of Osama bin 1391 01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:49,171 Laden. 1392 01:02:49,221 --> 01:02:51,288 That's not the case. 1393 01:02:51,338 --> 01:02:53,580 What we do know is that behind the scenes, 1394 01:02:53,630 --> 01:02:55,590 the CIA was busy leveraging the film 1395 01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:59,660 not only to justify US torture, but to soften its image. 1396 01:02:59,710 --> 01:03:01,410 The agency demanded that the screenwriters 1397 01:03:01,460 --> 01:03:04,950 remove the torture dogs, despite the fact that the CIA did 1398 01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,320 use dogs routinely. 1399 01:03:07,370 --> 01:03:09,150 And they politely asked that the script 1400 01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:12,270 keep to those torture techniques already in the public domain. 1401 01:03:15,050 --> 01:03:16,800 The Pentagon has also done its best 1402 01:03:16,850 --> 01:03:19,650 to suppress any suggestion of war crimes. 1403 01:03:19,700 --> 01:03:21,990 For example, in the original script for the World War II 1404 01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:23,940 movie Windtalkers, there was a character 1405 01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:26,910 called The Dentist who pulls gold teeth from the mouths 1406 01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:28,920 of dead Japanese soldiers. 1407 01:03:28,970 --> 01:03:31,860 The Marine entertainment officer wanted it gone. 1408 01:03:31,910 --> 01:03:35,220 "The dentist character displays distinctly un-Marine behavior," 1409 01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:36,770 he wrote. 1410 01:03:36,820 --> 01:03:39,020 But it's no secret that this kind of racism 1411 01:03:39,070 --> 01:03:42,350 fueled trophy taking was commonplace in the Pacific. 1412 01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,240 Eugene Sledge describes the practice 1413 01:03:44,290 --> 01:03:47,420 as widespread in his famous memoir, which is required 1414 01:03:47,470 --> 01:03:50,060 reading for Marine officers. 1415 01:03:50,110 --> 01:03:52,340 Gold teeth were the least of it, too. 1416 01:03:52,390 --> 01:03:55,340 Soldiers raided bodies for bones and ears. 1417 01:03:55,390 --> 01:03:56,960 They developed techniques for boiling 1418 01:03:57,010 --> 01:03:59,270 of flesh off of severed heads. 1419 01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,760 These grim souvenirs flooded the home front, 1420 01:04:01,810 --> 01:04:05,280 even showing up in Life Magazine. 1421 01:04:05,330 --> 01:04:07,030 But the Marine Office didn't want the film 1422 01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:08,680 to bring any of that up. 1423 01:04:08,730 --> 01:04:10,990 Phil Strub at the Pentagon concurred. 1424 01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:14,650 "Stealing gold teeth, yep, has to go." 1425 01:04:14,700 --> 01:04:15,700 So it went. 1426 01:04:18,510 --> 01:04:21,463 Lone Survivor got the treatment, too. 1427 01:04:21,513 --> 01:04:23,630 There's the pivotal scene where the platoon captures 1428 01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,600 some Afghani goat herders and tries 1429 01:04:25,650 --> 01:04:28,210 to decide what to do with them. 1430 01:04:28,260 --> 01:04:30,460 According to Marcus Luttrell's firsthand account, 1431 01:04:30,510 --> 01:04:32,230 the commanding officer argued that they 1432 01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,900 should kill them quietly, hide the bodies, 1433 01:04:34,950 --> 01:04:37,180 and keep a pact of silence. 1434 01:04:37,230 --> 01:04:39,070 He eventually put it to a vote, though. 1435 01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:42,220 And in a split decision, the group let them go. 1436 01:04:42,270 --> 01:04:45,190 The Pentagon didn't like this image of military leaders 1437 01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:47,470 advocating war crimes and had a long discussion 1438 01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,030 about changing it. 1439 01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,400 In the final version, it's the commanding officer 1440 01:04:51,450 --> 01:04:55,540 who unequivocally orders the group to let the captives go. 1441 01:04:55,590 --> 01:04:58,990 This is not a vote. 1442 01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:00,880 This is what we're going to do. 1443 01:05:00,930 --> 01:05:02,260 How would the Office 1444 01:05:02,310 --> 01:05:04,360 justify twisting the story like this 1445 01:05:04,410 --> 01:05:06,880 if you were to, say, put them on the spot? 1446 01:05:06,930 --> 01:05:10,630 Well, as luck would have it, I had the chance to ask. 1447 01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:12,370 The Navy held a webinar about how 1448 01:05:12,420 --> 01:05:14,590 it works with Hollywood, a sort of advertisement 1449 01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,150 for its services. 1450 01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,880 Dennis Moynihan was the chief information officer 1451 01:05:18,930 --> 01:05:21,190 while Lone Survivor was in production. 1452 01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,260 He'd been talking about how authentic they 1453 01:05:23,310 --> 01:05:25,030 were able to make it. 1454 01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:27,370 I couldn't believe the moderator picked up my question. 1455 01:05:27,420 --> 01:05:31,000 But being a military ethics professor, he took an interest. 1456 01:05:31,050 --> 01:05:32,560 Trigger warning, there's going to be 1457 01:05:32,610 --> 01:05:34,720 a fair amount of squirming. 1458 01:05:34,770 --> 01:05:35,651 I have one more. 1459 01:05:35,701 --> 01:05:38,800 This is an interesting one, too. 1460 01:05:38,850 --> 01:05:42,580 And this is a question for you, Admiral Moynihan. 1461 01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:44,890 "How does the military deal--" and this 1462 01:05:44,940 --> 01:05:48,460 is Roger Stahl, by the way, providing this question. 1463 01:05:48,510 --> 01:05:53,390 "How does the military deal with the suggestion of war crimes? 1464 01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,690 I'm thinking about Marcus Luttrell's book, 1465 01:05:55,740 --> 01:05:59,410 where the CO suggests they kill the captured goat herders. 1466 01:05:59,460 --> 01:06:03,110 This suggestion goes missing from the film. 1467 01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:06,310 This change seems like it compromises 1468 01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,257 the principle of authenticity." 1469 01:06:08,307 --> 01:06:09,517 What do you think of that? 1470 01:06:17,030 --> 01:06:21,360 Look, it gets to, again, a lot of the things 1471 01:06:21,410 --> 01:06:22,530 that we talked about. 1472 01:06:22,580 --> 01:06:25,590 Does it reflect well on the military? 1473 01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:27,300 Can it be used for recruiting? 1474 01:06:27,350 --> 01:06:30,960 And can people like David, and in this case, Peter, still 1475 01:06:31,010 --> 01:06:33,100 tell a credible story. 1476 01:06:33,150 --> 01:06:38,520 So is everything that ever happened in that situation 1477 01:06:38,570 --> 01:06:40,380 reported on included in the movie? 1478 01:06:40,430 --> 01:06:43,110 No, it's not. 1479 01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:44,850 But I think that's OK. 1480 01:06:44,900 --> 01:06:49,890 Because in the end, you got a very credible product 1481 01:06:49,940 --> 01:06:52,230 that certainly, the service, I think was proud of, 1482 01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:54,790 and I think that Peter was proud of as well. 1483 01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,270 So every detail, absolutely not, for all the 1484 01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,180 reasons that we talked about before. 1485 01:07:00,230 --> 01:07:03,390 But I don't have a problem with that. 1486 01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:04,680 OK, good. 1487 01:07:04,730 --> 01:07:06,120 And I have a question for the-- 1488 01:07:06,170 --> 01:07:09,080 Yeah, of course, not every detail. 1489 01:07:11,690 --> 01:07:13,515 What about crimes of aggression, 1490 01:07:13,565 --> 01:07:15,755 like overthrowing foreign governments? 1491 01:07:15,805 --> 01:07:17,880 Well, in recent years, you see a pattern of support 1492 01:07:17,930 --> 01:07:21,120 that normalizes these kinds of interventions. 1493 01:07:21,170 --> 01:07:24,370 Of course, you have Iron Man running ops in Afghanistan. 1494 01:07:24,420 --> 01:07:26,970 But you also have The Suicide Squad. 1495 01:07:27,020 --> 01:07:30,450 Here, the US military sends in a team of B-list superheroes 1496 01:07:30,500 --> 01:07:33,610 to overthrow a fictional Latin American government. 1497 01:07:33,660 --> 01:07:36,510 So a long history of illegal US military action 1498 01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:39,810 in Central and South America ends up as not much more 1499 01:07:39,860 --> 01:07:40,890 than a punch line. 1500 01:07:44,460 --> 01:07:48,040 Or take Jack Ryan, the most popular series on Amazon Prime 1501 01:07:48,090 --> 01:07:49,400 to date. 1502 01:07:49,450 --> 01:07:52,480 Season two got off with a bang by demonizing Venezuela, 1503 01:07:52,530 --> 01:07:55,155 a longtime US foreign policy target. 1504 01:07:55,205 --> 01:07:57,280 Your concern is that the Russians are secretly 1505 01:07:57,330 --> 01:07:58,803 selling weapons to Venezuela? 1506 01:07:58,853 --> 01:07:59,923 It would fit a pattern. 1507 01:08:01,562 --> 01:08:04,280 It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound? 1508 01:08:04,330 --> 01:08:07,010 This ends up in the news, it's just going to cause panic. 1509 01:08:07,060 --> 01:08:08,600 A nuclear Venezuela you will not 1510 01:08:08,650 --> 01:08:11,390 hear about in the news, because we'll already be dead. 1511 01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,370 The central plot is the CIA trying 1512 01:08:13,420 --> 01:08:14,830 to tip a Venezuelan election. 1513 01:08:15,130 --> 01:08:17,359 There's something happening here. 1514 01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:20,849 The agency seeks to topple a dictator 1515 01:08:20,899 --> 01:08:23,099 and put a liberal, populist, human rights 1516 01:08:23,149 --> 01:08:24,639 candidate into power. 1517 01:08:28,131 --> 01:08:30,599 The thing is, something was actually happening there 1518 01:08:30,649 --> 01:08:32,340 in Venezuela at the time. 1519 01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:34,920 US foreign policy leaders were doing their best 1520 01:08:34,970 --> 01:08:38,729 to delegitimize an election by stoking an insurrection. 1521 01:08:38,779 --> 01:08:40,860 But unlike in the show, their favorite candidate 1522 01:08:40,910 --> 01:08:45,120 was less populist and more the empire friendly kind. 1523 01:08:45,170 --> 01:08:47,729 So with CIA and DOD help, you might 1524 01:08:47,779 --> 01:08:51,330 say that Jack Ryan put a pretty face on the whole operation 1525 01:08:51,380 --> 01:08:52,769 in real time. 1526 01:08:52,819 --> 01:08:55,110 My character is Gloria Bonalde. 1527 01:08:55,160 --> 01:09:00,990 It's an amazing character because she's a family woman. 1528 01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,569 And she's not very interested in politics. 1529 01:09:07,100 --> 01:09:08,550 The Pentagon also wants 1530 01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:12,630 you to forget all about certain policies of mass destruction. 1531 01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,389 Consider Agent Orange in Vietnam. 1532 01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,790 This was a vast toxic spraying program 1533 01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,429 designed to kill the jungle and make Vietnamese resistance 1534 01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:22,380 fighters easier to bomb. 1535 01:09:22,430 --> 01:09:26,128 It poisoned a whole country, including many US troops. 1536 01:09:26,178 --> 01:09:28,170 One of these poisoned vets wrote a book about it, 1537 01:09:28,220 --> 01:09:29,962 along with his father, who happened to have 1538 01:09:30,012 --> 01:09:31,960 been in charge of the spraying. 1539 01:09:32,010 --> 01:09:33,910 Eventually, a script for a TV movie 1540 01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:35,889 landed on the Pentagon's desk. 1541 01:09:35,939 --> 01:09:37,450 You guessed it. 1542 01:09:37,500 --> 01:09:39,610 The movie is "inflammatory," they wrote. 1543 01:09:39,660 --> 01:09:42,670 Besides, "the exposure of most Vietnam veterans to herbicide 1544 01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:45,070 orange was not very great." 1545 01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,590 Mind you, this was three years after Agent Orange 1546 01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,050 manufacturers had paid out a huge class action 1547 01:09:50,100 --> 01:09:54,460 settlement in a case that drew out over 100 medical studies. 1548 01:09:54,510 --> 01:09:56,590 Luckily, the film got made in the end. 1549 01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,690 Without it, throngs of suffering vets 1550 01:09:58,740 --> 01:10:02,500 would have remained invisible for much longer. 1551 01:10:02,550 --> 01:10:04,750 As time went on, it also became clear 1552 01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,660 that Agent Orange was having near genocidal effects 1553 01:10:07,710 --> 01:10:09,460 on the Vietnamese population. 1554 01:10:09,510 --> 01:10:11,860 An epidemic of birth defects, brain damage, 1555 01:10:11,910 --> 01:10:14,860 and rare cancers still affecting hundreds of thousands 1556 01:10:14,910 --> 01:10:17,070 of Vietnamese today. 1557 01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:18,820 For the Entertainment Office, 1558 01:10:18,870 --> 01:10:21,310 any reference to Agent Orange was a problem, 1559 01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:24,340 even if the program's codename appeared years later 1560 01:10:24,390 --> 01:10:27,997 in some comic book movie. 1561 01:10:28,047 --> 01:10:29,080 There was an Operation-- 1562 01:10:29,130 --> 01:10:33,670 Operation Ranch Hand was designed to capture the Hulk. 1563 01:10:37,810 --> 01:10:40,970 But the Pentagon didn't like it, because of course, Operation 1564 01:10:41,020 --> 01:10:46,160 Ranch Hand was the name of a real operation using chemicals 1565 01:10:46,210 --> 01:10:47,750 in Vietnam. 1566 01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:50,840 So they were trying to avoid any kind of association 1567 01:10:50,890 --> 01:10:54,060 with any of these sorts of things. 1568 01:10:54,110 --> 01:10:57,260 I'm requesting a National Command Authority Override. 1569 01:10:57,310 --> 01:11:00,380 Angry Man is unsecure. 1570 01:11:00,430 --> 01:11:01,760 You could call it petty. 1571 01:11:01,810 --> 01:11:03,590 But in a way, it's just-- it's the Pentagon 1572 01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:07,620 operating like a slickly oiled PR machine. 1573 01:11:07,670 --> 01:11:11,000 But it's a slickly oiled PR machine that is not just 1574 01:11:11,050 --> 01:11:12,440 advertising toothpaste. 1575 01:11:12,490 --> 01:11:15,020 It's advertising the most violent and powerful 1576 01:11:15,070 --> 01:11:16,940 organizations on the planet. 1577 01:11:20,970 --> 01:11:24,440 The Office is also touchy about nuclear weapons. 1578 01:11:24,490 --> 01:11:25,900 There's a long history of rejecting 1579 01:11:25,950 --> 01:11:30,310 movies that suggest they might not entirely be under control. 1580 01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:32,650 Take one from the Cold War, The Day After, 1581 01:11:32,700 --> 01:11:35,770 which envisioned the outcome of a nuclear exchange. 1582 01:11:35,820 --> 01:11:39,110 It happened to be the highest rated TV movie in history. 1583 01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:42,460 Nearly half the US population tuned in. 1584 01:11:42,510 --> 01:11:44,380 President Reagan even watched it. 1585 01:11:44,430 --> 01:11:46,810 He wrote in his diary that it left a powerful impression 1586 01:11:46,860 --> 01:11:47,311 on him. 1587 01:11:47,361 --> 01:11:51,390 And its influence led directly to nuclear disarmament talks. 1588 01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:53,100 The Pentagon denied this one because it 1589 01:11:53,150 --> 01:11:55,950 didn't like the image of an accidental nuclear war, 1590 01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,140 a skirmish that gets out of control. 1591 01:11:58,190 --> 01:11:59,760 They wanted it to be crystal clear 1592 01:11:59,810 --> 01:12:01,770 that the Soviets started it. 1593 01:12:01,820 --> 01:12:04,620 They had a problem with this scene in particular. 1594 01:12:04,670 --> 01:12:07,578 Well, maybe they'll contain it. 1595 01:12:07,628 --> 01:12:09,870 After all, I've still got symphony tickets for tonight. 1596 01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,328 The thing that bothers me is that damn launch on warning. 1597 01:12:12,378 --> 01:12:13,141 What's that? 1598 01:12:13,191 --> 01:12:14,760 That's when one side tells the other 1599 01:12:14,810 --> 01:12:16,290 that they're going to fire their missiles as soon as they 1600 01:12:16,340 --> 01:12:18,690 think the other guy's missiles are already on the way. 1601 01:12:18,740 --> 01:12:21,270 Use them or lose them. 1602 01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:23,310 The Pentagon wanted this out. 1603 01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:26,760 "We do not have a launch on warning policy," they wrote. 1604 01:12:26,810 --> 01:12:30,490 "And the public should not be misled that we do." 1605 01:12:30,540 --> 01:12:32,430 But they did. 1606 01:12:32,480 --> 01:12:34,770 Launch on warning was an official policy 1607 01:12:34,820 --> 01:12:36,750 in The Single Integrated Operational Plan 1608 01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:38,670 beginning in 1979. 1609 01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,700 And because of it, the US came dangerously close to launching 1610 01:12:41,750 --> 01:12:43,670 in a few occasions. 1611 01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:46,580 Thankfully, the filmmakers stood their ground. 1612 01:12:46,630 --> 01:12:48,710 Had the Pentagon successfully changed the script 1613 01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:50,660 to lay all fault at the feet of the Russians, 1614 01:12:50,710 --> 01:12:53,645 the film might have served to drive nuclear buildup instead. 1615 01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:00,850 The Pentagon's view of nukes has reshaped entire franchises. 1616 01:13:00,900 --> 01:13:02,380 Consider Godzilla. 1617 01:13:02,430 --> 01:13:04,780 The monster began as an explicit allegory 1618 01:13:04,830 --> 01:13:07,210 for the US nuclear bombing of Japan. 1619 01:13:07,260 --> 01:13:09,490 And these critical associations held all the way 1620 01:13:09,540 --> 01:13:13,420 through the 1998 version with Matthew Broderick. 1621 01:13:13,470 --> 01:13:16,450 By 2014, though, the DOD was fully involved. 1622 01:13:16,500 --> 01:13:18,610 So things had to change. 1623 01:13:18,660 --> 01:13:20,200 The nuclear sub one of the monsters 1624 01:13:20,250 --> 01:13:21,820 carries off into the jungle, they 1625 01:13:21,870 --> 01:13:23,800 switched that from American to Russian, 1626 01:13:23,850 --> 01:13:25,800 as not to give the impression that we could ever 1627 01:13:25,850 --> 01:13:28,870 lose control of our arsenal. 1628 01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:30,847 We located your Russian sub. 1629 01:13:30,897 --> 01:13:32,680 The whole attitude toward nukes 1630 01:13:32,730 --> 01:13:34,240 had to change, too. 1631 01:13:34,290 --> 01:13:36,190 There was a scene in the original script where 1632 01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:38,410 one of the characters tells a harrowing story 1633 01:13:38,460 --> 01:13:41,740 about his grandfather surviving the bombing of Hiroshima. 1634 01:13:41,790 --> 01:13:43,970 The Office wanted it gone. 1635 01:13:44,020 --> 01:13:46,480 "If this is an apology or questioning the decision 1636 01:13:46,530 --> 01:13:49,060 to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki, that 1637 01:13:49,110 --> 01:13:51,370 will be a showstopper for us." 1638 01:13:51,420 --> 01:13:54,220 So we got this speech instead. 1639 01:13:54,270 --> 01:13:56,080 The arrogance of man is thinking 1640 01:13:56,130 --> 01:14:01,157 nature is in our control, and not the other way around. 1641 01:14:01,207 --> 01:14:02,240 There's more. 1642 01:14:02,290 --> 01:14:03,890 The bomb goes from being the threat 1643 01:14:03,940 --> 01:14:05,900 to helping solve the problem. 1644 01:14:05,950 --> 01:14:07,820 It turns out, the nukes weren't the monsters 1645 01:14:07,870 --> 01:14:10,550 but were actually being used to blow up monsters back 1646 01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:11,970 in the day. 1647 01:14:12,020 --> 01:14:13,970 All those nuclear bomb tests in the '50s. 1648 01:14:18,010 --> 01:14:19,630 Not tests. 1649 01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:23,110 They were trying to kill it. 1650 01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:26,410 And they were still our best hope. 1651 01:14:26,460 --> 01:14:28,510 Beautiful, isn't it? 1652 01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:30,910 Godzilla was different after this. 1653 01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:33,790 The 2019 version didn't have DOD help. 1654 01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:37,780 But it nevertheless stuck with the nukes as heroes theme. 1655 01:14:37,830 --> 01:14:40,000 A planned explosion supercharges Godzilla 1656 01:14:40,050 --> 01:14:42,620 to fight the good fight. 1657 01:14:42,670 --> 01:14:45,730 It's hard to imagine a more complete reversal. 1658 01:14:45,780 --> 01:14:49,150 This long time warning about the dangers of proliferation 1659 01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:51,550 is now an extension of the US military 1660 01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:54,310 and something of an advertisement for the bomb. 1661 01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:05,390 These days, it's not just about war movies. 1662 01:15:05,440 --> 01:15:07,160 The Pentagon has managed to colonize 1663 01:15:07,210 --> 01:15:10,040 the entire entertainment landscape. 1664 01:15:10,090 --> 01:15:12,600 They've always had their toe in sci-fi, for example., 1665 01:15:12,650 --> 01:15:14,810 But now it's a major part of the game. 1666 01:15:14,860 --> 01:15:17,390 Consider that Transformers was the first franchise 1667 01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:19,850 to cooperate with all four branches. 1668 01:15:19,900 --> 01:15:22,460 Sci-fi and comic book movies served as a refuge 1669 01:15:22,510 --> 01:15:26,940 from all those real and hugely unpopular overseas occupations. 1670 01:15:26,990 --> 01:15:28,940 The science fiction and fantasy 1671 01:15:28,990 --> 01:15:31,100 creates kind of an imaginary space 1672 01:15:31,150 --> 01:15:33,170 for the various melodramas of the military 1673 01:15:33,220 --> 01:15:36,830 to be scripted and played out without ever having to address 1674 01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:40,250 the real motives of foreign policy in the world today, 1675 01:15:40,300 --> 01:15:43,760 nor the consequences for those that fight on its behalf 1676 01:15:43,810 --> 01:15:46,917 and die in its wake. 1677 01:15:46,967 --> 01:15:48,500 If this embrace of sci-fi 1678 01:15:48,550 --> 01:15:51,227 strikes you as a bit strange, you're not alone. 1679 01:15:51,277 --> 01:15:53,060 When Philip Strub or anybody 1680 01:15:53,110 --> 01:15:54,710 in the Entertainment Liaison Office 1681 01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:56,960 says that it has to be accurate, we're 1682 01:15:57,010 --> 01:15:59,240 just changing these scripts to make it accurate, 1683 01:15:59,290 --> 01:16:05,240 what I love about that is now we are battling space invaders. 1684 01:16:05,290 --> 01:16:07,760 That's not a very accurate portrayal 1685 01:16:07,810 --> 01:16:09,680 of the Department of Defense and the role 1686 01:16:09,730 --> 01:16:12,268 of the Department of Defense. 1687 01:16:12,318 --> 01:16:14,060 Once you've conquered fantasy, 1688 01:16:14,110 --> 01:16:15,260 where do you go? 1689 01:16:15,310 --> 01:16:17,020 Reality, of course. 1690 01:16:17,070 --> 01:16:18,770 This is probably the most surprising thing 1691 01:16:18,820 --> 01:16:20,000 about the documents. 1692 01:16:20,050 --> 01:16:23,390 The Pentagon has staked a flag in every little strange corner 1693 01:16:23,440 --> 01:16:25,508 of reality TV. 1694 01:16:25,558 --> 01:16:27,050 They've had their hand in game shows, 1695 01:16:27,100 --> 01:16:29,240 like The Price Is Right for a while. 1696 01:16:29,290 --> 01:16:31,280 Despite all the yelling and running around, 1697 01:16:31,330 --> 01:16:34,160 the military carefully manages these events. 1698 01:16:34,210 --> 01:16:36,410 This includes handpicking participants. 1699 01:16:36,460 --> 01:16:38,060 And audience participation is out, 1700 01:16:38,110 --> 01:16:41,300 because they regard it as too spontaneous. 1701 01:16:41,350 --> 01:16:43,890 On these game shows and especially daytime talk shows, 1702 01:16:43,940 --> 01:16:45,710 you'll see a ton of reunions. 1703 01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,710 The office is constantly arranging them. 1704 01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:52,550 Then there are the many military themed home makeover shows. 1705 01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:55,430 You can also invite the Dude Perfect influencers to romp 1706 01:16:55,480 --> 01:16:56,472 on your aircraft carrier. 1707 01:16:56,522 --> 01:16:58,430 I've wanted to do something like this since I 1708 01:16:58,480 --> 01:16:59,597 saw the movie Top Gun. 1709 01:16:59,647 --> 01:17:01,097 Or have the Rachael Ray 1710 01:17:01,147 --> 01:17:02,570 Show put a bunch of service people 1711 01:17:02,620 --> 01:17:04,490 through a cooking challenge. 1712 01:17:04,540 --> 01:17:06,770 Cooking shows are an astonishingly big part 1713 01:17:06,820 --> 01:17:08,810 of Pentagon assistance with TV. 1714 01:17:08,860 --> 01:17:10,610 Cake shows, especially. 1715 01:17:10,660 --> 01:17:12,620 Boy, do they love cake shows, lots 1716 01:17:12,670 --> 01:17:17,600 of different kinds of cakes, fighter jet cakes, tank cakes. 1717 01:17:17,650 --> 01:17:20,990 You have competition shows that serve as recruiting vehicles. 1718 01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:23,570 Then there's what you might call harder TV documentary 1719 01:17:23,620 --> 01:17:26,790 fare, the kind of stuff on the History and Discovery channels. 1720 01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:29,300 These are those programs that celebrate weapon systems, 1721 01:17:29,350 --> 01:17:32,513 sniper rifles, Apache helicopters, F-35s, 1722 01:17:32,563 --> 01:17:34,430 and what it's like to drive what will probably 1723 01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:35,930 replace the Humvee. 1724 01:17:35,980 --> 01:17:38,150 So that's what Jay Leno has been up to. 1725 01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:39,770 Well, that was pretty cool. 1726 01:17:39,820 --> 01:17:41,312 This also includes shows 1727 01:17:41,362 --> 01:17:43,700 like Taking Fire and Inside Combat Rescue that embeds you 1728 01:17:43,750 --> 01:17:45,530 with the troops overseas, usually 1729 01:17:45,580 --> 01:17:48,770 through the eye of the helmet cam. 1730 01:17:48,820 --> 01:17:52,790 The guy behind this pivot to reality TV was David Evans. 1731 01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:56,060 He took over as director of the Pentagon office in 2018, 1732 01:17:56,110 --> 01:17:58,670 but before that, his job was to manage assistance 1733 01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:01,700 for documentary and unscripted television. 1734 01:18:01,750 --> 01:18:04,790 Shows like Inside Combat Rescue represented a big turn 1735 01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:07,850 in that direction, a winning formula. 1736 01:18:07,900 --> 01:18:10,900 It was a huge success for Nat Geo. 1737 01:18:10,950 --> 01:18:13,580 They saw the ratings go through the roof on it. 1738 01:18:13,630 --> 01:18:17,090 A year later, two years later, three years down the line, 1739 01:18:17,140 --> 01:18:19,670 other filmmakers coming to us, wanting to do-- 1740 01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:22,760 or wanting to do something like a Nat Geo show. 1741 01:18:22,810 --> 01:18:24,740 And they'll say as much. 1742 01:18:24,790 --> 01:18:28,202 Yeah, we want to do another Inside Combat Rescue. 1743 01:18:28,252 --> 01:18:30,410 Striking out into all this new territory 1744 01:18:30,460 --> 01:18:33,650 has required that the Office take a more aggressive posture. 1745 01:18:33,700 --> 01:18:36,050 These days, they're not just waiting around for producers 1746 01:18:36,100 --> 01:18:36,981 to come to them. 1747 01:18:37,031 --> 01:18:40,460 They're out there pounding the pavement and drumming up deals. 1748 01:18:40,510 --> 01:18:41,960 Suddenly, the Air Force is producing 1749 01:18:42,010 --> 01:18:44,000 an ad for its services and circulating it 1750 01:18:44,050 --> 01:18:45,595 among industry types. 1751 01:18:45,645 --> 01:18:47,720 The Air Force Entertainment Liaison Office 1752 01:18:47,770 --> 01:18:51,140 is the industry's gateway to an extraordinary arsenal 1753 01:18:51,190 --> 01:18:54,950 of aircraft, equipment, incredible personnel, 1754 01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:55,938 and locations. 1755 01:18:55,988 --> 01:18:58,520 They're hitting the road to conferences and trade 1756 01:18:58,570 --> 01:19:00,300 shows to reach new markets. 1757 01:19:00,350 --> 01:19:02,480 And the reason that we are here today 1758 01:19:02,530 --> 01:19:06,350 is to inform filmmakers about our capability, 1759 01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:09,380 about our office, and what we can do to help 1760 01:19:09,430 --> 01:19:11,457 them help us tell our story. 1761 01:19:11,507 --> 01:19:13,790 They're presenting at Comic-Con and a bunch 1762 01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:15,650 of other industry conferences. 1763 01:19:15,700 --> 01:19:17,450 They're going to military tech expos, 1764 01:19:17,500 --> 01:19:19,610 not to advertise their services, but to find out 1765 01:19:19,660 --> 01:19:23,540 what cool new gadgets are out there to pitch to producers. 1766 01:19:23,590 --> 01:19:25,928 Publicly, they claim they don't pitch. 1767 01:19:25,978 --> 01:19:28,220 Here's the new head of the Pentagon office at that Navy 1768 01:19:28,270 --> 01:19:29,211 webinar. 1769 01:19:29,261 --> 01:19:31,250 We don't ever pitch. 1770 01:19:31,300 --> 01:19:33,920 We don't have an active pitch where I will call a studio 1771 01:19:33,970 --> 01:19:36,290 and say, hey, have you guys thought about this. 1772 01:19:36,340 --> 01:19:38,270 You have to wonder why he's saying 1773 01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,220 this when they clearly do. 1774 01:19:40,270 --> 01:19:41,990 Recall, they had pitched Act of Valor 1775 01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,660 to the studios and pitched episodes about sexual assault 1776 01:19:44,710 --> 01:19:49,130 to NCIS, what they internally called the Navy's big request. 1777 01:19:49,180 --> 01:19:52,040 But there's a whole lot of day to day pitching, too. 1778 01:19:52,090 --> 01:19:53,600 They sent a congratulatory letter 1779 01:19:53,650 --> 01:19:55,700 to the new head of Fox Team Programming 1780 01:19:55,750 --> 01:19:59,420 and requested a meeting to pitch him potential Air Force ideas. 1781 01:19:59,470 --> 01:20:01,430 They pitched a story of a Marine and her bomb 1782 01:20:01,480 --> 01:20:04,640 sniffing dog to film studios, Animal Planet, Letterman, 1783 01:20:04,690 --> 01:20:06,920 and Extreme Makeover Home Edition. 1784 01:20:06,970 --> 01:20:08,900 And they took the opportunity while working 1785 01:20:08,950 --> 01:20:11,150 on an episode of Extreme Makeover Home edition 1786 01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:13,820 to pitch an idea about doing it again with a different Air 1787 01:20:13,870 --> 01:20:15,320 Force team. 1788 01:20:15,370 --> 01:20:17,240 In the past few years, you start to see 1789 01:20:17,290 --> 01:20:19,850 entire sections of the weekly reports categorized 1790 01:20:19,900 --> 01:20:21,380 under outreach. 1791 01:20:21,430 --> 01:20:23,930 The military worries when they notice a production for which 1792 01:20:23,980 --> 01:20:25,580 they were not approached. 1793 01:20:25,630 --> 01:20:28,880 So they often reach out to offer assistance. 1794 01:20:28,930 --> 01:20:30,500 Back when he headed up the office, 1795 01:20:30,550 --> 01:20:34,220 David Evans summarized this role on his own LinkedIn account. 1796 01:20:34,270 --> 01:20:37,430 Engagement runs through the entire spectrum of production, 1797 01:20:37,480 --> 01:20:42,620 beginning all the way back with concept and script development. 1798 01:20:42,670 --> 01:20:44,810 So we're at a unique point in the evolution 1799 01:20:44,860 --> 01:20:47,530 of military propaganda in the US. 1800 01:20:47,580 --> 01:20:49,180 On the one hand, the Office has managed 1801 01:20:49,230 --> 01:20:53,440 to evade scrutiny and insinuate itself more deeply than ever. 1802 01:20:53,490 --> 01:20:56,380 But on the other, we can finally see the big picture 1803 01:20:56,430 --> 01:20:58,670 and do something about it. 1804 01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:06,940 I think the reason it's important, 1805 01:21:06,990 --> 01:21:09,490 and perhaps the reason it's important to me, 1806 01:21:09,540 --> 01:21:12,580 is because whenever there is American 1807 01:21:12,630 --> 01:21:15,890 and British military action around the world, 1808 01:21:15,940 --> 01:21:17,440 particularly over the last 20 years, 1809 01:21:17,490 --> 01:21:21,580 that military action has been extremely destructive. 1810 01:21:21,630 --> 01:21:23,020 The stakes are high. 1811 01:21:23,070 --> 01:21:25,180 We're talking about dominant representations 1812 01:21:25,230 --> 01:21:28,030 of the most powerful military on the planet, bigger 1813 01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:30,240 than the next dozen countries combined 1814 01:21:30,290 --> 01:21:31,990 that has been bombing other countries more 1815 01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:34,570 or less continually since World War II, 1816 01:21:34,620 --> 01:21:38,098 and with a staggering legacy of human suffering. 1817 01:22:00,190 --> 01:22:06,400 The mood music for that is our popular culture. 1818 01:22:06,450 --> 01:22:08,400 This is the cinematic universe that's 1819 01:22:08,450 --> 01:22:11,610 been operating under the radar for decades in which there 1820 01:22:11,660 --> 01:22:15,000 isn't a problem the US military can't solve, 1821 01:22:15,050 --> 01:22:19,330 and where alternative stories get sucked into a black hole. 1822 01:22:19,380 --> 01:22:22,770 It's a universe of officially prescribed threats 1823 01:22:22,820 --> 01:22:24,923 and target nations. 1824 01:22:24,973 --> 01:22:26,340 This is not just 1825 01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:29,490 a concern to the United States. 1826 01:22:29,540 --> 01:22:31,710 It is a concern to the world. 1827 01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:36,240 These are highly censored, politically motivated 1828 01:22:36,290 --> 01:22:40,872 portrayals of the American empire, if you wish. 1829 01:22:40,922 --> 01:22:42,580 We're just a bit affected 1830 01:22:42,630 --> 01:22:45,820 by that, which means that we're a bit more confident about how 1831 01:22:45,870 --> 01:22:48,310 great military action will be. 1832 01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:50,500 And we're a bit more confident that those 1833 01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:54,550 evil Iranians, or those evil Chinese, or evil Venezuelans, 1834 01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:57,430 or whatever it is, we're just a bit more confident that they're 1835 01:22:57,480 --> 01:22:59,620 a bit less human. 1836 01:22:59,670 --> 01:23:02,830 And that kills thousands, tens of thousands, 1837 01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:07,000 or even in Iraq's case, a million people. 1838 01:23:07,050 --> 01:23:08,710 It eventually hit me. 1839 01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:11,290 This isn't just a collection of script changes. 1840 01:23:11,340 --> 01:23:14,770 We're inside of it, speeding through this world created 1841 01:23:14,820 --> 01:23:18,130 in the image of the military industrial complex. 1842 01:23:18,180 --> 01:23:20,680 And with razor thin margins of public support 1843 01:23:20,730 --> 01:23:22,630 for some of these disastrous wars, 1844 01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:24,850 this skewed image of the world might just 1845 01:23:24,900 --> 01:23:28,600 be nudging us over the edge. 1846 01:23:28,650 --> 01:23:32,200 So what questions should we be asking if we want out? 1847 01:23:32,250 --> 01:23:34,020 Why shouldn't we know what they're doing? 1848 01:23:34,070 --> 01:23:35,770 They shut down a battleship, 1849 01:23:35,820 --> 01:23:38,560 put up a giant 22 foot tall movie screen-- 1850 01:23:38,610 --> 01:23:43,660 And actually, should we even be paying these organizations 1851 01:23:43,710 --> 01:23:47,500 to generate propaganda that's going to be 1852 01:23:47,550 --> 01:23:49,150 bounced back to us at the movies? 1853 01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:52,360 Why do Americans not hear Voice of America 1854 01:23:52,410 --> 01:23:56,290 or any of the other identified propaganda formats 1855 01:23:56,340 --> 01:23:58,800 distributed around the globe? 1856 01:23:58,850 --> 01:24:01,300 It turns out that the US has some long standing 1857 01:24:01,350 --> 01:24:03,160 propaganda laws that, at the very least, 1858 01:24:03,210 --> 01:24:06,010 prohibit its use on domestic audiences. 1859 01:24:06,060 --> 01:24:08,380 And the DOD's own public affairs directives 1860 01:24:08,430 --> 01:24:10,630 prohibits selective benefit, that 1861 01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:13,750 is favoritism toward a particular ideological movement 1862 01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:15,860 or commercial enterprise. 1863 01:24:15,910 --> 01:24:17,860 So it seems like abolishing the Office might 1864 01:24:17,910 --> 01:24:20,380 have some legal justification. 1865 01:24:20,430 --> 01:24:23,743 But what if these deals could just be made more transparent? 1866 01:24:23,793 --> 01:24:25,660 It's clear that the Freedom of Information Act 1867 01:24:25,710 --> 01:24:27,520 isn't quite cutting it. 1868 01:24:27,570 --> 01:24:29,560 For example, Tom Secker asked the Navy 1869 01:24:29,610 --> 01:24:31,570 for the past decade of script notes. 1870 01:24:31,620 --> 01:24:33,400 They said they didn't keep them. 1871 01:24:33,450 --> 01:24:37,120 Two years, over 100 emails, and three formal appeals later, 1872 01:24:37,170 --> 01:24:41,470 they admitted they did keep them, 240,000 pages. 1873 01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:43,720 But they said they couldn't release them, because they 1874 01:24:43,770 --> 01:24:46,270 contained trade secrets. 1875 01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:48,910 They're giving us the runaround more and more these days. 1876 01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:51,460 It's getting to the point of absurdity. 1877 01:24:51,510 --> 01:24:54,130 Like the time when Tom put in a request for documents related 1878 01:24:54,180 --> 01:24:55,840 to a dozen productions and the DOD 1879 01:24:55,890 --> 01:25:02,440 came back with 1,000 pages redacted, and I mean blank. 1880 01:25:02,490 --> 01:25:05,530 It may take legal action to get these offices to comply 1881 01:25:05,580 --> 01:25:07,900 with public information requests. 1882 01:25:07,950 --> 01:25:10,180 But on the most basic level, shouldn't we at least 1883 01:25:10,230 --> 01:25:12,790 know if they've had their hands on a production? 1884 01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:14,830 After all, rules for commercial entities 1885 01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:17,770 have been around since the 1930s. 1886 01:25:17,820 --> 01:25:19,660 Take this typical military supported 1887 01:25:19,710 --> 01:25:22,400 episode of Rachael Ray that featured military themed 1888 01:25:22,450 --> 01:25:24,190 Suave products. 1889 01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:28,060 At the end, Suave is required to disclose, but not the military. 1890 01:25:28,110 --> 01:25:29,240 That could change. 1891 01:25:29,290 --> 01:25:32,080 So you might see something like this. 1892 01:25:32,130 --> 01:25:35,020 OK, maybe something more like this. 1893 01:25:35,070 --> 01:25:36,580 The point is-- 1894 01:25:36,630 --> 01:25:39,470 The public has a right to know. 1895 01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:42,550 And I think the Pentagon should be legally obliged 1896 01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:45,370 to make that information available to the public. 1897 01:25:45,420 --> 01:25:48,220 Not at the very end of a 3-minute credit run. 1898 01:25:48,270 --> 01:25:50,740 Not in the scrolling credits, somebody 1899 01:25:50,790 --> 01:25:52,690 listed as a technical advisor. 1900 01:25:52,740 --> 01:25:55,270 At the start of the film. 1901 01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:56,830 It wouldn't be particularly popular 1902 01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:59,500 either with the film industry or with the Pentagon, 1903 01:25:59,550 --> 01:26:01,870 because people, I think, would not necessarily 1904 01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:04,900 be prepared to pay money to see a film like that. 1905 01:26:04,950 --> 01:26:06,160 If the CIA wrote a movie, 1906 01:26:06,210 --> 01:26:07,630 do you really want to go see that? 1907 01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:10,690 I mean, is that what's going to pull in box office numbers? 1908 01:26:10,740 --> 01:26:11,920 No. 1909 01:26:11,970 --> 01:26:13,910 Then we get a culture that is greater-- 1910 01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:17,090 with a greater degree of transparency. 1911 01:26:17,140 --> 01:26:19,330 And then the public will vote with their feet 1912 01:26:19,380 --> 01:26:20,500 and vote with their wallets. 1913 01:26:20,550 --> 01:26:24,460 I think at the end of the day, because I'm a media educator, 1914 01:26:24,510 --> 01:26:28,390 I really just want people to be critical media consumers. 1915 01:26:28,440 --> 01:26:31,360 The problem is that you can't be a critical media consumer 1916 01:26:31,410 --> 01:26:33,820 unless this relationship between your war 1917 01:26:33,870 --> 01:26:37,570 movies and the military or your spy movies and the CIA 1918 01:26:37,620 --> 01:26:40,240 is made transparent. 1919 01:26:40,290 --> 01:26:42,160 Because the moment you become aware of it, 1920 01:26:42,210 --> 01:26:46,120 you can go to the movies and be far less subject 1921 01:26:46,170 --> 01:26:49,270 to the propaganda messages that the government is 1922 01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:54,180 trying to get you to believe, or to accept, or to act upon. 1923 01:26:54,230 --> 01:26:57,222 I guess that's really what I want for people. 1924 01:26:57,272 --> 01:26:58,680 For a decade now, I've 1925 01:26:58,730 --> 01:27:02,130 been asking myself the same question over and over. 1926 01:27:02,180 --> 01:27:05,670 Has the long arm of the security state refashioned this one? 1927 01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:07,440 And how about this one? 1928 01:27:07,490 --> 01:27:10,750 Now you're asking it too. 1929 01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:12,052 Imagine living-- 1930 01:27:12,102 --> 01:27:13,510 in a world-- 1931 01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:16,387 where we don't have to. 146111

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