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Norwegian texts: Jørn-Are Haugli Johansen
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As churches begin to burn, a golden
age in black metal begins.
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With a number of defining releases.
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Many are recorded in the
Grieg Hall in Bergen.
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It's strange to think that some
of the most extreme, gravelly -
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Norwegian black metal bands go to
Grieg Hall and record albums -
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- who remain as bauts
in rock history.
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The tension between pretty, bourgeois,
Bergen Philharmonic -
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- and extreme metal with
cutting guitars ...
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Pytten, the producer, has had an
enormous amount to do with -
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- how Norwegian black metal was
presented, acoustically.
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As one of those who was the birth attendant
for Norwegian black metal sound.
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A soundscape that almost the whole
world has since tried to repeat.
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These two were some of the
first things I did.
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The first metal recording in the
Grieg Hall was my father -
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- who was an old school
friend of Pytten.
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I asked my father if he knew
anyone with a studio.
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Then he thought a little. "The puddle is drifting
down in the Grieg Hall." He called.
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"My son has a band. They are not that
old, so they do not have much money."
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"Yes, they can come to me." "Do not say
that, you have not heard the music."
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It was a brutal entrance
into the world.
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The doctrine of harmony no longer
applied. It was gone.
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But I was extremely fascinated.
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The puddle, which then receives the Old
Funeral, puts them into the Grieg Hall.
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He makes sure that a bunch of relatively
inexperienced musicians get -
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- a sound they had not dreamed of. Not
least a sound they themselves wanted.
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It's a gift!
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Pytten has been a key figure
in Norwegian metal.
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After we recorded the Funeral
tape, Amputation came.
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Amputation later became Immortal.
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The word spread about good
recordings with Pytten.
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After Old Funeral and Amputation came
Immortal, Emperor, Burzum ...
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He did not become unemployed.
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All this was happening while we were waiting
for "De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas".
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Mayhem's spectacular record was
what everyone was waiting for.
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Waited, waited and waited. In
1992, recording begins -
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- by "De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas".
In Grieg Hall with Pytten.
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When we recorded "Mysteriis", -
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- Mayhem was me, Øystein and Varg.
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We also chose Grieg Hall because
of Varg. He was from Bergen.
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He knew Pytten.
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They were looking for a great sound, so
we did it on stage in the Grieg Hall.
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We put the Marshall stack
to Øystein here.
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He recorded melodies and
solos. Turned this way.
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And then I had a microphone on a stand,
a little high, and placed it here -
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- when we in the control room listened and
heard that it was the right position.
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We used the room. This
wonderful room.
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-That was a long
time ago. -Yes.
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-Good to see you
again. -You too.
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Yes, this is where we created magic.
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This was the temple of sound. Judgment of sound.
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The acoustics in the Grieg Hall are
intended for symphonic orchestra.
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I did not want to take the
whole Grieg Hall with me.
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Then you can lose control. So we
made a small cage for the drums.
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After a while of talking and discussion
and yelling. "Hey Hey!"
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Above the drums were nine floors of tall
houses. Open all the way to the ceiling.
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Then you get a fantastic openness, and just
listen to some of what has been done -
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- of drums on that record.
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We had to complement the riff
with very dynamic drumming.
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Dynamic symbols, crescendo
and all that.
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New ideas about drumming that no one
had done before at that time.
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Pytten was no ordinary producer.
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He was so much more engaged.
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We worked as a team to make this happen.
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Absolutely.
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I did not think I had said anything
that, but in the mixing process ...
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I wanted the drums louder. When
you saw another way ...
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-Did you do
it? -Yes.
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Here was the mixing desk, and
there I recorded the vocals.
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Interesting.
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I still get goosebumps.
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It felt very good to be here,
alone in the dark.
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With candles. I saw the text there
and everything was fine.
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It was like being in a trance.
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Like that ... A little opera,
but aggressive and dark.
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You added black metal to something
completely new and different.
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-With that vocal.
-Thanks.
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You know that.
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-Thanks!
-Raw.
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I loved doing it and
it was really good.
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But I can not say that at that time
I understood what it would be.
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I do not think I saw the
future this record got.
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Without Mayhem's magnum opus, Norwegian black
metal would not have been as it is.
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Sound-wise, lots of atmosphere.
How the lyrics are.
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It solidifies some of
the cornerstones.
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"De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas"
is a damn important record.
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The songs, the mood and everything around the record.
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That's probably the essence
of black metal, I think.
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It's a kind of extraterrestrialism.
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You get a rush from hearing
"Freezing Moon".
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It can withstand the test of time.
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When you listen to the record,
you are taken to a place -
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- which is more than the sum of the parts
and circumstances surrounding it.
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It's like a black hole in the center
of the black metal universe.
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The police in Bergen are without a trace
after the fire in Åsane church.
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Police are now asking
witnesses to report.
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We will follow these matters closely.
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Here we are in an area where we have
had only one fire per year.
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Now we can sum up
to 8-9 in 1992, -
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- so it is an area that needs
increased attention.
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January 20, 1993, black metal goes from
underground to front page fabric.
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The count then goes to Bergens
Tidende and tells -
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- that he knows who is behind the church
fires. The police take him in.
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18 years old, unemployed and belongs
to the rawest hard rock community.
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Today he was imprisoned for four weeks.
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"We are behind all church fires in
Norway, and we do not stop now", -
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- claims the 18-year-old in an interview.
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He does not admit the content
of the interview.
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How would you describe the
environment he comes from?
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There are details, but the apartment
he had was very special.
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-In what way? -We found
very special weapons.
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-What kind of weapon? -Knives
and things like that.
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The media attention in the wake of this
is taking a lot of people to bed.
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Hell is the characteristic name
of this store in Oslo.
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It is alleged that the accused is connected
to the environment here.
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-I know nothing about anything.
- We did not ask.
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They called.
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Some had been skeptical of the
boys boys culture at Hell -
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- and withdrew from it.
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Others also see the possibility of being able
to promote bands in the start-up phase.
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So there is a duality in the environment.
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To go from a fairly anonymous existence
where people did not fully understand -
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- what was your scene ...
People shrugged about it.
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To stand there with a follow-up
spot ... "Hi! You! Satanist!"
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I remember fists in the window from
neighbors. They knew I had ...
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I did not play with Vikernes anymore.
He had quit before this happened.
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I got out of it in the Count's time.
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He proudly claims to be behind
the record launch of all time.
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For the accused, the prison stay
has been part of the price.
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He bluffed church fires to get a buzz
about the music, it is claimed.
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I have obviously managed to get PR.
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-It was only PR for the
album? -Of course.
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Are you part of a
satanic movement?
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No.
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Are the Nazi signs just to provoke?
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It's a little different. To
show support for Nazism.
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Jewish extermination, for example.
Because it was people.
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I might as well have stood
with a portrait of Stalin.
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The so-called Count was released
this afternoon.
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The charge for church
fires is upheld.
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It was a bubble of its own.
A world of its own.
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For those who were into it, it was completely
real and the way it should be.
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Although it was completely distorted.
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Øystein wanted to release records
in cabin and pine.
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It's good, but he did not have
financial coverage for it.
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He owed a lot of money
here and there.
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That was also what made him and Varg
get in trouble with each other.
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We had just become
friends again.
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I started getting letters that he
missed the old days and stuff.
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That we should make contact and stuff.
Finally I went in and visited him.
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Then we agreed that I should play over
the bass tracks of the Count.
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We knew there were things going on.
Great enmity between him and Varg.
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One of them came up with something
crazy, probably.
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No one knew what, where or who.
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They started sending death
threats to each other.
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For Euronymous, death threats were
... He was always like that.
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He sent death threats to everyone,
but he did not put much into it.
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But when you send death threats to
someone like Varg Vikernes, -
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- he probably thought: "Better him than me."
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I was told that Øystein was dead
when I was going to ...
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... call down in the shop. No
one picked up the phone.
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I should say I could
not bear to come.
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It was strange that no one answered,
Øystein lived in the shop.
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I called, but thought
he had gone home.
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I called his parents in Ski.
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His mother picked up the phone, and she
said that Øystein had been found dead.
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He had been killed.
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The man who was found killed this
morning is Øystein Aarseth.
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A famous person in the
small Satanist milieu.
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He was found by a neighbor at 05. He
had been stabbed several times.
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The police have secured traces at the
scene, but are so far on bare ground.
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It was Jan Axel who called me.
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"Now you must hear! I tried to get
hold of Øystein yesterday."
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"He was not home, so I
called his father."
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"He told Øystein he was killed."
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I could not say a word. He said,
"Hello, are you there?" "Yes."
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It was just completely incomprehensible.
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I could not imagine that this
would come to a level ...
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To stand in front of a murder case
... It was completely ...
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The first time I met Varg Vikernes
was when I first questioned him.
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We were at his house. Knocked.
Unregistered.
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Then we heard a bang, and
he opened the door.
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Then he stood there with an insane
wooden club with nails in it.
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He looked ugly at us.
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It was obvious to us that there
was a fear in the environment -
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- that he who tries, and does
not follow his "leaders", -
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- it would have ugly
consequences for.
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In connection with the murder in Tøyengata
in Oslo in August, Kripos -
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- identified the so-called Count's
fingerprint in blood.
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It was discussed whether he
should be driven to Oslo.
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Or if we were to take a plane
or train. We took him by car.
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On the way over ... We switched to driving.
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He was sitting in the middle
between two police officers.
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Eventually he fell asleep.
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Then the head went down, and
then it became quiet.
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We just drove.
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Then he woke up, and he was just
like a little child waking up.
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Smile on your face, shiny, nice eyes.
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Looked up ... "Good morning."
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And then he probably realized
where he was.
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Then he got really hard in the eyes.
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Then he went in black and back to the
cold. Then he sat completely still.
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But the little ... the seconds
he was a little kid -
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- who wakes up in the morning ... Then
I saw that it was a human too.
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It was actually Kristian Vikernes.
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When we were able to transport him
to Oslo and put him in custody, -
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- let go of the roof also
for these young people.
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They would tell what they had been involved
in, when they could not be caught -
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- or punished for it, by the environment.
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They gave up and wanted
to tell how it was.
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When the most prominent
figure of them all -
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- gets killed, it's kind of like
... "What happens now?"
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"What's going on with this environment
and this movement now?"
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He was black metal. He was the
highlight of that genre.
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I never felt like it was the same
again. That did not happen.
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Yes, so far, mass was produced
in retrospect, but not for me.
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For me, it was a black
hole afterwards.
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When he disappeared, I felt it
was not worth anything more.
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Now I have to stand and play.
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But we can well stop filming.
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I went to Øystein's funeral.
There I saw Jan Axel.
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I explained that I have premises in Skippergata.
"Do you want to jam a little?"
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I met Jan Axel on the
tram by chance.
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He wanted to start Mayhem.
"Do you want to join?"
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"What? I haven't done
this in years. Sure?"
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"Yes, we need someone who
can sing. I want you."
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"What about the guitarist? He
who was Mayhem is gone."
228
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Jan mentioned a name.
229
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He knew a guy named
Rune Eriksen.
230
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I was so skeptical, but then I thought
about it for a very long time.
231
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"OK, I'll show up for
the first rehearsal."
232
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Jan and I had talked about that
if we got the right feeling, -
233
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- then we would drive on. Otherwise
we would give a damn.
234
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We started, and I looked at Jan.
He looked at me and just ...
235
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"Yes! We're back!" Damn ...
236
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:10,560
I was told on Elm Street that
this was a very bad idea.
237
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:16,320
"Why are you doing this?" I do
not think anyone supported us.
238
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It's perfect when we do
such negative music.
239
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:26,520
Give me more negativity,
and I'll give you back!
240
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I took it as inspiration. Everything
that went to hell was delicious!
241
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:49,280
After the confusion had subsided,
people rolled up their sleeves, -
242
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:55,120
- and then they continued with the music.
There was a lot of attention -
243
00:25:55,240 --> 00:26:00,120
- because there had been
many dramatic events.
244
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,600
Remember that the attention
was not of the good kind.
245
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:12,080
The most influential metal magazines
ran tabloid style.
246
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:18,680
When it had no news value, they
said, "We do not like this."
247
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"We do not recognize this."
248
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:26,720
But the music was too good,
and it was too important.
249
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:36,600
In 1993 Immortal goes on a European
tour with Greek Rattan Christ -
250
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and Blasphemy from Canada.
251
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The first time many on the continent experienced
Norwegian black metal live.
252
00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:03,960
When it comes to abroad,
no one could imagine -
253
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- that you could play like that. They were
three times as happy as everyone else.
254
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,960
They had a completely different expression.
255
00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:26,120
When we go on stage, we
go on stage to shock, -
256
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:31,800
- to bring out aggression
and do a damn raw show.
257
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:38,040
We do things on stage that
you do not see today.
258
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Easily.
259
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,080
The impact on the metal scene was enormous.
260
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Nothing new happened in metal.
People recycled old ideas.
261
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,160
Suddenly Norwegian black metal came.
262
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:09,080
At first it was the headlines, but then
you could focus on the music again -
263
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- and see that it was new and exciting.
It made metal interesting again.
264
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:21,120
There was something that spoke
to the subconscious -
265
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:26,120
- and captured the mind in a way that
changed the rules of the game.
266
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:33,000
You had to develop new ears, in a way,
and listen to music in new ways.
267
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:37,800
It took me a long time to figure
out what the Emperor was doing.
268
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,120
Suddenly I realized that.
269
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:57,440
Emperor was one of the great ambassadors
for Norwegian black metal.
270
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They toured with the Cradle of Filth in 1993.
271
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,920
Then we were 17-18 years old.
272
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,320
With Cradle of Filth
as the warm-up band.
273
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:15,720
It took a while before we realized that things
were actually starting to get big.
274
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:24,200
An international phenomenon where we were
one of the bands with very high status.
275
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:31,400
It was a budding beginning to be
accepted in the metal industry.
276
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In 1994 comes Emperor's "In
the Nightside Eclipse".
277
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Emperor proves to be much more
technical and musical.
278
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:07,160
They are more progressive in expression,
although they retain the core.
279
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:15,040
It is also one of the first albums
to attract attention abroad.
280
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,360
The first black metal record I heard
was "In the Nightside Eclipse".
281
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And who gets really good reviews.
282
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:28,600
If any black metal record is considered
a work of art, it is.
283
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,720
This was something completely new.
284
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:47,320
I remember the feeling of being
shaken up by the chair.
285
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,440
I had never heard the like.
286
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:04,120
It is in many ways the beginning
of symphonic black metal.
287
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:11,120
Without "In the Nightside Eclipse", Dimmu Borgir
would not have sounded like they do.
288
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:34,240
We have gone our way. We wanted to
try to create an expression -
289
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- based on our own
feelings. Simply.
290
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:45,000
That which comes from within. Instead of being
a copy of something that has been done before.
291
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:57,520
We were perhaps one of the first
bands to take advantage of -
292
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- synth and keyboard more extensive.
293
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:05,240
We listened to Emperor and Enslaved,
who also had synth and stuff.
294
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:12,280
But we used synth as a tool
in the writing process.
295
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:17,360
We got a lot of pepper for that,
but very proud of it today, -
296
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:24,840
- that we have not allowed ourselves
to be swayed by bad criticism.
297
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,920
We do things our way, and that's
always been the case.
298
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:34,360
We may well have been "outcasts"
in this scene.
299
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:40,000
It was never important for us
to make music to play fast -
300
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:47,920
- or sound as extreme as possible.
We leave that to others.
301
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:54,760
For us, it was more about hitting
a nerve with a feeling -
302
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:59,680
- of a riff, for example. Then
I have achieved what I want.
303
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:12,480
Dimmu probably contributed to the popularity.
Their sound is much bigger.
304
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:20,560
If the music is magnificent, it more
likely reaches a larger audience.
305
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:26,000
It may have enticed people to explore more.
306
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:33,200
Norway's most important music
event, the Spellemann Prize.
307
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:38,440
One million TV viewers and several thousand
in Spektrum are at the party.
308
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:44,120
Why are you so pink, but sometimes
black as a year? Dark Cities!
309
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:17,640
Who would have thought that black metal
would become the living room -
310
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:23,080
- that they received Spellemann
Prize nominations? Not me.
311
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:30,040
It was kind of like ... "What
the hell happened now?"
312
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,320
You did not notice it until you got
it in the middle of your face.
313
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,800
"What happened now?"
314
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:43,880
"Nominated for the Spellemann
Prize? Do you fuck?"
315
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:50,560
Then it was like ... "Yes, yes."
316
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:57,560
We got a lot of fights from some people
within the underground scene.
317
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,600
Then you are called "sellouts"
and you name it.
318
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:19,480
It is always a double-edged sword when
you have such an internal thing.
319
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:25,080
Of course you want to sell records,
but also stay at a level -
320
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:30,400
- which is very secretive. It's
something that's yours.
321
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:35,880
"This is not public property.
We have worked for this."
322
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:42,560
It should be a bit like that
subculture that is extreme.
323
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:49,560
Now it's like this: "Satyricon on the
VG list. What the hell happened?"
324
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:35,920
Society is changing. People are changing.
Black metal has also been -
325
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,200
- in development, and
I think it's good.
326
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,840
If black metal is to be interesting,
it has to be moving.
327
00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:58,680
When we released the album
"Satyricon" in 2013 ...
328
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:04,920
There was no way how many
reactions there were -
329
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,800
- that Sivert Høyem sang on a song.
330
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,360
Then I explain, "This is
just inside your head."
331
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:32,320
"Had I sung the same lyrics, it would
have been ... black metal."
332
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:38,440
"But you did not see this coming, and
we will play a little with that."
333
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:43,000
We will move on, we will find new
ways to express ourselves.
334
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:49,880
We will try to move both the definition
and the associations.
335
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,720
We almost have to do that.
336
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:06,240
Black metal has always been characterized
by paradoxes and doubts, -
337
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,160
- and that's what makes it so dynamic.
338
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:14,440
One has the old school and
a progressive wing.
339
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:20,120
You need the old school, because you have
to remember where you come from.
340
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:34,320
It's a riff. The core value
of Darkthrone is riffs.
341
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:39,400
Without a good riff, you
have nothing to offer.
342
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,640
Many who got a touch of black
metal-feeling, thought:
343
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:50,040
"Early black metal is not enough, so
we have to add to this atmosphere."
344
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:55,480
As an estimate of synth and more
melodic features on top -
345
00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:00,120
- already simple, drawn rifle lines.
346
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:06,080
Then I mean it is half
misunderstood.
347
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:12,640
But now we make bread. The
others can make cake.
348
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,680
But you get tired of cake too.
349
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,880
So we're kidding.
350
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,080
We must not forget Taake, -
351
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,480
- which keeps it going
to this day.
352
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:33,560
Which is completely true to black
metal as it was in the beginning.
353
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:39,560
We keep the old flame
alive, I say.
354
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:44,880
I found my expression at the
very beginning and ...
355
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,920
Has not really changed
vision at all.
356
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:54,280
I still have a lot to give.
357
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,880
I have always felt that I have seen
the world in a different way.
358
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:04,720
Been preoccupied with completely
different things than my peers.
359
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:09,000
Thought in paths they could
not imagine thinking in.
360
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:13,240
It could be frustrating to
be different before, -
361
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:19,360
- but this style of music
helped me find myself -
362
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:26,520
- and be proud to be different.
Just give up being A4.
363
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:38,520
Some people have extreme things inside
them, and it has to come out.
364
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,880
Then it's better to get
it out in the music.
365
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:48,440
I think it's important to be a complete
human being and recognize -
366
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,600
its animalistic, destructive
sides as well.
367
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:57,840
To live my way, it has been important
to make friends with -
368
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,880
- all negative, destructive things.
369
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:17,320
Black metal zoomed in on a kind
of primitive part of people -
370
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:22,920
- which is not usually fully expressed
in other music genres.
371
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:28,680
When someone illuminates this inner landscape, -
372
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,720
- it is extremely liberating.
373
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:50,160
Black metal is the soundtrack
to a lot of inner turmoil.
374
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:55,320
That we dare to put into words the
difficult feelings we have.
375
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,920
As a fan, I felt very at home
in it when I was younger.
376
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:14,320
I was a little alone and without identity
and felt difficult feelings, -
377
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:21,960
- and black metal was an expression
of that. It was healing for me.
378
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:27,560
I recognize that in a lot of
other black metal fans.
379
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,000
There are few normal fans of black
metal. If you dig it, -
380
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:37,920
- is it usually because it gives
you a kind of outlet -
381
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:43,680
- or an experience that touches you on
a spiritual and psychological level.
382
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:50,120
It does not affect everyone, but those who are
affected become an important part of it.
383
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:08,640
It is powerful and makes
us feel powerful.
384
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,840
We feel that we can rise above
everything that depresses us.
385
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,400
Everything that weighs us down
and makes us feel left out.
386
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,400
As outsiders. But not here.
387
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:28,360
Everyone looks "dangerous", but there
are the happiest people there are.
388
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,880
I have never felt unwanted here.
389
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:40,040
If you are a black metal fan, really,
then you are going to Norway.
390
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:44,240
In the same way that Beatles
fans go to Liverpool.
391
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,520
It's exactly the same. If people are
fans, then they should come here.
392
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:55,480
Then they go to Inferno and to Neseblod
to take a picture in the basement.
393
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,440
It is important to them.
394
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:16,640
Especially this place I think
is a dream for any metal fan.
395
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:23,160
When you are here, you really feel
where things come from, -
396
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,320
- and how it all went.
397
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:32,120
Whatever you want to find,
you will find it here.
398
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:35,040
There is fantastic selection here.
399
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,240
This is a church candle.
400
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:46,720
They were famous for burning churches,
and now you can do it -
401
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,400
- without consequences.
402
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:57,720
All these extra-musical things like
suicide, lawsuits, fires ...
403
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:03,200
Murder and stuff. It has triggered
quite a large willingness to pay.
404
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:09,280
Among people who are interested in
buying records, shirts and such.
405
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:17,040
It has also led to a cash flow to record
companies, bands and musicians.
406
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:23,240
It's almost like that ...
407
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:29,200
What should you call it? Varg Vikernes'
cultural scholarship.
408
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:34,440
I'm 100% sure that these extremely
talented artists -
409
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:41,320
had managed to make just that
music and got those careers -
410
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:47,840
- they have got, without all the board
here, which comes down to -
411
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:54,040
- very, very few people. This
is incredibly good music.
412
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,600
Damn, how well this has worked out!
413
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:12,400
We like Mayhem because it's
such a raw feeling.
414
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:17,400
Not like that ... It feels
sharp, in a way.
415
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,120
A little like that ...
416
00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:25,400
Cutting tones, in a
way. I like that.
417
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:43,720
It's so nice when you've had
so much power against you -
418
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:51,120
- for so many years, and then
get to the top in the end.
419
00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:55,480
I think people understand
how delicious it is.
420
00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:03,320
To be able to land with both feet on the
ground with the mind somewhat intact.
421
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:08,640
And hopefully have forty
good years left.
422
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:15,720
To enjoy it. There hasn't been that
much fun in the last 25 years.
423
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,760
Who's laughing now?
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