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[stirring music]
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Narrator: Locked up and unloved,
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the old Commonwealth Institute
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in London's fashionable
Kensington
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faced an uncertain future.
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Opened in 1962
as a permanent showcase
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for the countries
of the Commonwealth,
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its unusual design proved costly
to maintain.
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So costly that in 2004,
the building was closed.
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By then, this landmark
on Kensington High Street,
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with its unusual roof,
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had been listed Grade II#*.
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English Heritage called it
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the second most important
modern building in London,
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after the Royal Festival Hall.
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Now, it has a new life,
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as home of The Design Museum
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with the exterior masterplan
handled by OMA
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and the interior crafted
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by one of Britain's greatest
minimalists,
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John Pawson.
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- You can never
please everybody,
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because of course
there were people
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who loved the Commonwealth
Institute as it was
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and so didn't want
anything changed.
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And then there are people
who realise that...
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that by saving it,
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and...and retuning it
for the Design Museum
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was perhaps a good thing.
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[stirring music continues]
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Narrator: Perth,
Western Australia, 2011.
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The Queen is opening
the Commonwealth
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Heads of Government Meeting.
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She has a particular passion
for the Commonwealth,
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the organisation that ties
together 53 countries,
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many of which
were part of the British Empire
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when she was crowned in 1953.
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Five years after
the Queen's coronation,
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the old Imperial Institute
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was renamed the Commonwealth
Institute
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and it commissioned a building
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where Londoners
could find out about life
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in those far-off lands coloured
pink in the school atlas,
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that the Queen
made it her mission to visit.
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The London building
was designed by
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Robert Matthew Johnson Marshall
and Partners
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at the south end
of Holland Park,
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under a swooping paraboloid roof
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made from 25 tonnes of copper
donated by Northern Rhodesia.
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The Queen opened it in 1962.
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But there were problems,
leaks being one of them.
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As the memory of Empire faded
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and the Commonwealth matured,
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the Institute
began to look old-fashioned.
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And it was costing millions
to maintain.
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So, controversially,
it was sold to developers,
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with permission to use
some of the land
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for apartment blocks,
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as long as the 1962 building
was kept.
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The scheme wasn't popular
with some conservationists
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but at least
the Institute would survive.
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With a new occupier,
The Design Museum.
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And, in the year that the Queen
made her last trip Down Under,
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the man who founded
the Design Museum,
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Sir Terence Conran,
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gave £17.5 million
of his own money
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to realise a dream.
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Terence Conran
is burying a time capsule.
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It's been a long road
from the early days
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in the basement of the V & A
to this site,
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right in the heart
of London's Cultural Quarter.
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And Conran hopes
it will send a message.
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- Really, the most important
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thing for me
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is that it should
persuade government
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of the importance of design.
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And how important it is
to put engineers
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and entrepreneurs
and designers together
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to create new industries,
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making things
that the world wants.
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Narrator: For many years,
the Design Museum lived
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on a wharf in the Thames,
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a stone's throw
from Tower Bridge.
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A bit out of the way.
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Terence Conran believed
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that all this deserves
a wider audience,
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an audience that, in Kensington,
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may already have visited
the Science Museum, the V & A
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and the Natural History Museum.
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But moving to such
a prestigious area,
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and adapting a 1962 building,
comes at a price.
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£83 million.
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The challenge has been given
to a man known for minimalism,
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John Pawson.
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- Everybody always thinks
of architecture
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as being new buildings.
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But actually,
it's a lot more than that.
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And I think as time goes on,
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finding a new use or retuning
great, um, existing buildings,
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I think is probably
one way to go.
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It was an exhibition space,
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but it was an exhibition space
which of course
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was to show the commonwealth
countries' products.
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But of course
so they didn't need windows.
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And of course the big difference
for us is that, you know,
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I want people to be able
to easily orientate themselves
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and know where
the front door was
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[laughs] after they've been in.
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So we've got windows.
It's an extraordinary space.
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And to have it
in the middle of Kensington
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is...was extraordinary.
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I mean, you'd never be able
to build it today.
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- Here in this parlour,
we've got the most...
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the greatest single
concentration of museums
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in the world.
And how delighted we are...
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Narrator: Today is a milestone
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for writer and broadcaster
Deyan Sudjic,
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once the design and architecture
critic for The Observer,
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who took over as Director
of the Design Museum in 2006.
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It's taken a long time
to get here.
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A lot of people
worked really, really hard.
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But for me,
it's particularly wonderful.
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I used to come to this building
as a child
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when it was the most
modern interior in London.
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It was a utopian dream
of what Britain might be.
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And to bring it back to life
for a new design museum
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is particularly satisfying.
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It was a monument
to British engineering
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and daring, one might say,
architecture.
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And we're going to bring it
back to life sympathetically.
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For a new use, of course.
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This, to me,
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is...really one of
the most fantastic days
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of my rather long life.
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And...the next three years,
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when we make this ambition
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to be the very best
design museum in the world.
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Every city wants
a design museum,
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it seems these days.
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But this is where
creative Britain should lead.
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Narrator: Fast forward
four years,
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and the old
Commonwealth Institute building
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is still a recognisable feature
of Kensington.
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Now cured of its 1960s leaks,
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and covering an exhibition space
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that speaks not of the history
of Empire and Commonwealth,
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but of design.
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And that includes John Pawson's
own design for the interior.
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[smooth jazz music]
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- It's trying to...
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to have a certain calmness,
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so that you...you sort of
feel good when you walk in
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and then...and things look good,
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you know,
when it's a bit calmer.
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I mean, it's the sort of
serenity, I suppose,
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would be a word
you'd be after.
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[smooth jazz music continues]
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We were able to, I suppose,
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bring a certain
domestic refinedness
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to, you know,
a big public space.
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So it... I think
when you walk in,
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it has a calmness
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and a certain, you know,
friendliness.
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And, you know, and you
incorporate all those things.
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I mean, one of the things
I wanted to do was, you know,
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when you walked in,
you could orientate yourself
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by seeing
wherever you wanted to go.
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You know,
you could...you could...
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and there was this incredible
vertical sense of space.
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You know, because you see
the whole five floors
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from certain vantage points.
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Narrator: Pawson is in love
with wood.
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He's chosen oak for the atrium
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and, as usual,
paid great attention to detail.
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The way the strips of wood meet,
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how the wood interacts
with other materials.
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And he was well aware
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that too much wood
can overwhelm.
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Pawson: I didn't want it to be,
you know, like a humidor.
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You know, I mean, it's...
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so there's still a lot of white.
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But I mean, the main...
one of the main
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things for me is that I tried
to have the white out of reach.
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I haven't succeeded everywhere,
but you... So you'd... [laughs]
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The paw marks aren't, um...
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So that... I mean, that's one
of the reasons for wood,
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and also I was able
to perforate the panels
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so that they're acoustic
as well,
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which makes the...
it more comfortable,
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audibly more comfortable.
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An architect works with,
you know,
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various things for building.
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I mean, building blocks,
material's probably
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one of the most important,
and light.
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And then...and then the others
like scale and proportion
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and mass and things like that.
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But material, yes, I mean,
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my palette's never been
very big. [chuckles]
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It's just two or three
different woods
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and two or three
different stones.
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Narrator: And does
the minimalist do justice
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to the Commonwealth Institute
of old?
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Yes, says the Design Museum's
Director.
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- I remember coming
to this building as a child.
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It was a compulsory
school visit.
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And we thrilled at the sights
of the diorama
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that...convey the finer points
of sheep shearing
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in the case of Australia,
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or the Inuit totem pole
and the snowmobile from Canada,
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and the Sri Lankans
who, rather regrettably,
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shot and stuffed a tiger
for their display.
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And like many utopian buildings,
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the roof leaked furiously
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and the insulation
characteristics were terrible,
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so as time went by,
the commonwealth decided
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they would rather spend
their money elsewhere,
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and left this building
as a landmark.
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A modern landmark,
a modern ruin.
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And again,
when I was a journalist,
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then at the Observer,
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I found myself actually
confronted with the glimmer
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of the attempt by the then
Secretary of State Tessa Jowell
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to have the building delisted
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so the commonwealth
could flob off the land
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as advantageously as possible.
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And I am so glad that I actually
said it must be saved,
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because four years later,
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when I was trying to find a new
home for the Design Museum,
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this seemed like
a very positive option.
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[smooth jazz music concludes]
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Narrator: At 70, John Pawson,
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born in Halifax,
educated at Eton,
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can reflect on a career
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as one of Britain's
most sensitive designers,
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a man who reduced architecture
to its minimalist form
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and played with light, mass,
rhythm, scale and proportion.
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[uplifting orchestral music]
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He started his practice in 1981
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and attracted attention
in the early 1990s
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for taking a Victorian
town house, his own home,
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and replacing the interior
with a homage to minimalism.
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- My father
was an architect [indistinct].
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I mean, he...he was always,
um...
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had friendly architects that
he was drawing up plans with
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and so on. So home was...
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..you know, the... There was
that sort of feeling about it.
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But yes, it's strange.
I mean, I remember...
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you know, odd things.
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You know, odd spaces in Halifax
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and things that you'd walk into
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and you couldn't quite
understand
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why some places felt good
and others didn't.
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I was trying to explain
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or trying to understand
where something comes from
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in your...DNA
or your background,
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or why you ended up
being an architect,
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why you ended up designing
as you do.
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So you... It's all instinctive.
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But then you go back to...
If people...
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If you want to try
and explain to people why...
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you know, as my sisters say,
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"Why you turned out so weird,"
you know?
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Narrator: His work
includes houses,
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many of them
in extraordinary settings...
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..churches - this is the church
of St Moritz in Augsburg
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where Pawson re-organised
the interior
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in his trademark
minimalist style.
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A bridge,
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ballet sets...
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..even the interiors of yachts.
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His is one of the few
architects' practices
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to have been asked to design
and build an abbey.
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When the monks from the Abbey
of Our Lady in Bohemia
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turned up at his London office,
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he thought it was
a practical joke
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played by his staff.
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It wasn't.
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And since 2004, the Pawson team
has been working on a chapel,
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a guesthouse and outbuildings
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at this important site
in the Czech Republic.
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It's all done, he says,
"with simplicity."
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He believes, "Life has
a spiritual
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"and a physical dimension
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"and architecture
must seamlessly hold both."
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The sort of quote
you might expect from a man
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who, at 24,
left Yorkshire for Japan
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to become a Zen Buddhist monk.
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I had a dream of becoming
a Zen Buddhist monk
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but, um, it didn't quite...
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you know, I ended up teaching
at university, though, so...
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My mother's Methodist background
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and, um... primitive Methodist
that...
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I think she always wanted me
to be a missionary.
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Um, she wasn't...expecting me
to sort of go somewhere fancy,
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you know? [chuckles]
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She just wanted me to do it
sort of modestly.
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[siren wails distantly]
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You know, you try to work
at something
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so that nothing is done really
for effect,
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or, you know, you...
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I think everything
has to have a reason,
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you know, behind the design.
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It's hard work,
and you sort of, you know,
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grind away at it and hopefully,
you know, it works.
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I've been lucky to be able
to have done,
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you know,
such a mix of buildings.
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I mean, to...you know,
to do the churches
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and the monasteries is,
you know,
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isn't open to every architect.
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I mean, I've been incredibly
lucky to do that.
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And then you have
the domestic houses
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and the stuff.
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I mean, designing things
to go in those buildings.
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It's not that I want...
I want to control everything,
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per se, but I...
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it... these small things
do affect the atmosphere,
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and, you know, and the way
you feel about places.
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[birds tweeting]
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[gentle music]
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Narrator: Most architects look
to those who went before them
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for inspiration.
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For John Pawson,
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it was the German-American
Mies van der Rohe,
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one of the pioneers
of modernist architecture,
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who coined the expression
'less is more',
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an idea given expression
through designs
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like the Farnsworth House
near Chicago,
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built just after
the Second World War,
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and rescued in 1972
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by Arts Council Chairman
Peter Palumbo.
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- I did have a day there
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which was absolutely amazing,
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and Peter Palumbo
had organised it.
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And they had a housekeeper
or a woman that looked after it,
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and we arrived in the morning,
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and you know,
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she was very welcoming
and quite talkative.
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Very, very talkative.
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And so I thought, "What on earth
am I going to do?"
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Because I just...you know,
you just couldn't...
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absorb the atmosphere,
because of this sort of...
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You know, she felt the need
to not have any silence.
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And so I said, I said to her,
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"Oh, maybe we should all have
a minute's silence
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"in memory of Mies."
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And what was brilliant
is she took that on board
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more seriously
than I could have hoped.
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And... [laughs]
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So it took a, you know,
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an hour to break the silence,
which was great.
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I would say there are no heroes,
but, um...
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But I'd say he's about
as good as you...you can get,
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I think, in architecture.
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I mean, extraordinary.
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I mean, the body of work
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and the dedication
and the talent.
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I mean, huge, massive.
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Massive.
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That idea of pushing it
to the ultimate,
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but in a way that
the craftsmanship and the...
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and the atmosphere
and the pleasure you get
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from being...
and the proportion.
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Because that's what you
never get from the photographs,
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when you go to France
or visit the...
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The staircases are so wide
and the...
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and it's so deep, you know.
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It's... No,
it's quite a dream, really.
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Narrator: Pawson's admiration
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of Mies van der Rohe's
minimal aesthetic
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shines through in his work.
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But small houses are one thing.
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Museum galleries, quite another.
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John Pawson has worked
with exhibition spaces before.
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In Berlin in 2016,
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he transformed
a Second World War
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telecommunications bunker
into an art museum.
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By then, he had completed
London's Design Museum interior.
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His practice may not be
very big,
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but it's prolific.
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He says he's not much
of a sketcher,
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relies on others in his practice
for computer-aided design,
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but does like making models.
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And it was a model
he brought with him
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to the competition interview
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to land the job
at London's Design Museum.
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When we were doing
the competition,
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um, I mean,
it was quite stressful.
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I mean, it was...it was
an incredible field.
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And so, you know, and...
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Anyway, I remember it got down
to sort of the short list
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and Catherine and I,
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she had kindly driven me
with my model of the scheme.
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And...and then...
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And then there was
another architect before me,
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and he had a huge van
with six assistants,
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[laughs] who got out this
huge...
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and I thought,
"Oh, [muted]" [laughs]
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'Cause his was magnificent,
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and I thought, "Oh..."
You know.
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So I... [laughs]
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Anyway.
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Interviewer: But you got it?
- Yeah, I got it, which was...
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Yeah, I was...yeah.
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It was, um... It was quite a...
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You know, it was quite
an investment, emotionally.
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[easy guitar music]
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- I think that why we chose John
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is that we have a powerful
building with this roof.
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We have a very active,
vibrant campaign of exhibitions.
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And we wanted an architect
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who could gently bring
the building back to life,
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to dispel that sense of failure
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without inserting
their own ego into that.
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And I think John has actually
very beautifully created
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a building inside a building
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with this sense of quiet calm.
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It's a platform.
It's a very welcoming space.
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I think museums have a future
because they are a social space.
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They're a place
in which you have a reason
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to switch off your computer
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and go and do something
with others.
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And people actually immediately
understand and respond to that.
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They've arrived somewhere
which is for them.
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Obviously when you...
when you've got a clean slate,
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it's a different...
it's a different ballgame.
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But I think half the work we do
is retuning existing buildings
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and learning from them,
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and trying to do it
in a sensitive way,
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but you can never...
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you can never sort of
please everybody
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because of course
there were people
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who loved the Commonwealth
Institute as it was
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and so didn't want
anything changed.
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And then there are people who
realised that by saving it
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and...and retuning it
for the Design Museum
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was perhaps a good thing.
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We wanted to retain this
openness in that central atrium
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and we very much wanted people
to have this
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amazing views of the roof.
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So that's how we kept
the sort of circular route
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through the building,
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the way in which
from any part of that centre
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you can see the beautiful
shape of the roof,
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and actually the building
reveals itself to you.
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It was a long process.
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From beginning of the project
to the end,
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it took about eight years.
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We had the benefit of working
with amazing architects
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who were very sensitive to this
pre-existing architecture
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and who worked with us
to redefine it
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for the Design Museum.
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And so what you see today
behind me
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is this spectacular building,
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with this warm oak panelling
that surrounds us.
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And that gives it
this feeling of warmth.
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That feeling also
that it's a building for you.
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A building for people to come,
er, feel at ease with.
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You can mill about,
sit down on the steps,
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on the benches, have a rest,
be with your friends
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and take in
the beautiful architecture
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and then make your decision
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as to what exhibition
you're going to go and see,
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the permanent display,
or attend a lecture
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if that's what you want.
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I think what we were really
trying to do
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was to make a building
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that was open to the public
and inviting.
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[smooth funky music]
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We were very much taking this
reinvention of the building
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and of the museum
as a design project,
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so we were very focused
on our user.
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Who is this for?
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We wanted to be very welcoming
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and we know that
for people to feel at ease,
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for people actually
to enjoy an exhibition
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or learn something,
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first, they have to feel
comfortable.
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They have to feel at ease.
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If you don't give that,
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then there's no hope that you
can get to the next level of,
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"OK, now I'm going to go and see
the exhibition
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"and learn something."
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[smooth music continues]
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We try and tell the story
of design
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to those who don't really know
what design is,
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just to make the point that
it's not a specialist subject,
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because design
is everywhere around you.
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It's the teacup that you have
your tea in the morning.
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It's the telephone that you use
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and you can't live without
today.
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It's the...the cars,
it's the buildings you're in.
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All of this is design,
so we're presenting that story.
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And then we have gallery spaces
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where we go
into more specific subjects.
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And we look at the visions
of the home
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actually looking at visions
from the past.
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And what the past tells us about
the day in which we live today
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and how technology
has completely revolutionised
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the way in which we live.
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We have in our homes
smart objects
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that listen to us all the time.
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We give away
a lot of our privacy.
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We live completely mediated
by screens.
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Actually, all of this, designers
of the '50s and '60s imagined.
505
00:26:29,482 --> 00:26:31,517
So, where do we go from now?
506
00:26:31,655 --> 00:26:33,724
From now,
where spaces in our home
507
00:26:33,862 --> 00:26:36,172
seems to be shrinking
and shrinking.
508
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:38,275
What's the new challenges?
509
00:26:39,931 --> 00:26:41,241
Narrator:
It's impossible to cover
510
00:26:41,379 --> 00:26:44,275
every innovation in design
in a building of this size,
511
00:26:44,413 --> 00:26:46,689
so the curators and John Pawson
512
00:26:46,827 --> 00:26:49,000
have had to make
difficult choices.
513
00:26:49,896 --> 00:26:51,482
But underpinning all this
514
00:26:51,620 --> 00:26:53,827
is the philosophy
of Terence Conran,
515
00:26:53,965 --> 00:26:56,655
who is credited with getting
Britain thinking about design
516
00:26:56,793 --> 00:26:59,241
and who has always had
a clear idea
517
00:26:59,379 --> 00:27:02,793
of what constitutes good design.
518
00:27:05,068 --> 00:27:06,413
♪ Setting the trends ♪
519
00:27:06,551 --> 00:27:07,620
♪ Making friends ♪
520
00:27:07,758 --> 00:27:09,931
♪ Each day ends
like the last... ♪
521
00:27:11,137 --> 00:27:13,137
- We all accept as designers
522
00:27:13,275 --> 00:27:14,862
that style is important
523
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,034
for bringing the goods
to the marketplace
524
00:27:18,172 --> 00:27:21,655
and making them fashionable
and, you know, of the moment.
525
00:27:22,689 --> 00:27:25,344
But we slightly sneer at it,
526
00:27:25,482 --> 00:27:27,862
something that is, you know,
an object
527
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,827
and then an arbitrary styling
is slapped all over it,
528
00:27:32,965 --> 00:27:35,103
to me is rather fake.
529
00:27:35,241 --> 00:27:37,206
British style
or British character.
530
00:27:37,344 --> 00:27:39,586
Straightforward.
Don't mess it around.
531
00:27:39,724 --> 00:27:41,931
Show it as it is.
532
00:27:42,068 --> 00:27:43,620
♪ Setting the trends ♪
533
00:27:43,758 --> 00:27:44,965
♪ Making friends ♪
534
00:27:45,103 --> 00:27:46,931
♪ Each day ends like the last ♪
535
00:27:47,068 --> 00:27:48,379
♪ Hitting the heights ♪
536
00:27:48,517 --> 00:27:49,724
♪ The bright lights ♪
537
00:27:49,862 --> 00:27:52,172
♪ Getting faster ♪
538
00:27:53,137 --> 00:27:54,586
♪ Living for kicks ♪
539
00:27:54,724 --> 00:27:56,965
♪ Gotta mix with the chicks ♪
540
00:27:57,103 --> 00:27:58,241
♪ It's a bore ♪
541
00:27:58,379 --> 00:27:59,448
♪ Men in the air ♪
542
00:27:59,586 --> 00:28:01,482
♪ We don't care... ♪
543
00:28:01,620 --> 00:28:04,034
- And I'll always remember
when we opened Habitat,
544
00:28:04,172 --> 00:28:06,586
which I did because
as a furniture maker,
545
00:28:06,724 --> 00:28:10,724
I was very frustrated about
the fact that I couldn't get
546
00:28:10,862 --> 00:28:13,137
any public distribution
for my furniture.
547
00:28:13,275 --> 00:28:15,379
So I thought,
"Well, I'll open a shop
548
00:28:15,517 --> 00:28:19,275
"to show that there really is
a demand for it."
549
00:28:20,275 --> 00:28:22,103
We wanted to sell to you
550
00:28:22,241 --> 00:28:25,793
because we knew that
if we put it in front of you,
551
00:28:25,931 --> 00:28:28,482
then you might say,
"Oh, I really like that
552
00:28:28,620 --> 00:28:29,896
"and I can afford it."
553
00:28:30,034 --> 00:28:32,655
But if we went through a buyer
in a department store,
554
00:28:32,793 --> 00:28:34,896
they, "Oh, no,"
you know, never like that.
555
00:28:35,034 --> 00:28:38,965
"No, no, no, no."
And so we opened our own shop.
556
00:28:39,103 --> 00:28:42,413
All the other retailers
from Glasgow and Manchester
557
00:28:42,551 --> 00:28:44,172
and Liverpool and so forth
558
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:45,517
came to have a look
559
00:28:45,655 --> 00:28:49,586
and they said, "It's alright
in swinging London.
560
00:28:49,724 --> 00:28:52,551
"It'll never go
in Manchester area."
561
00:28:52,689 --> 00:28:56,344
And I suppose something
in that sort of...
562
00:28:56,482 --> 00:28:58,551
you know, cynicism
563
00:28:58,689 --> 00:29:01,310
made me think, "Well,
we'll bloody well show them
564
00:29:01,448 --> 00:29:02,862
"and take it up there."
565
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,034
And of course, you know,
what they hadn't recognised
566
00:29:06,172 --> 00:29:10,275
was the...was this big change
in the UK.
567
00:29:10,413 --> 00:29:11,931
People beginning to travel,
568
00:29:12,068 --> 00:29:14,551
go round the world,
see other things.
569
00:29:15,931 --> 00:29:18,655
And they wanted
a different sort of life.
570
00:29:18,793 --> 00:29:20,241
- Britain's one of
the first countries
571
00:29:20,379 --> 00:29:21,862
which built
an industrial economy
572
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,896
on the fact that
it was fascinated by
573
00:29:24,034 --> 00:29:25,965
how we use design
to make technology work
574
00:29:26,103 --> 00:29:27,482
in ways that work for people.
575
00:29:27,620 --> 00:29:29,275
And that's something
that was around at the time
576
00:29:29,413 --> 00:29:31,275
of the Great Exhibition of 1851.
577
00:29:31,413 --> 00:29:34,172
It's what was going on
when William Morris
578
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:36,448
set up Morris & Company.
579
00:29:36,586 --> 00:29:39,103
It's what was actually behind
the starting of
580
00:29:39,241 --> 00:29:40,827
the Royal College of Art
not so far down the road.
581
00:29:40,965 --> 00:29:43,896
And Britain has actually been
really good at these things.
582
00:29:44,034 --> 00:29:46,172
I mean, Terence,
as many pioneers are,
583
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:49,793
feels sometimes that, um,
his efforts fall on
584
00:29:49,931 --> 00:29:51,965
sometimes resistant ground.
585
00:29:52,103 --> 00:29:55,551
But I think Britain is actually
an extraordinarily fertile place
586
00:29:55,689 --> 00:29:58,068
for design.
We can't rest on our laurels.
587
00:29:58,206 --> 00:30:00,103
And I think one of the reasons
to open a museum
588
00:30:00,241 --> 00:30:02,000
is to actually inject that.
589
00:30:02,137 --> 00:30:04,172
We inject that sense of,
590
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:05,793
"Britain is at the centre
of these things."
591
00:30:05,931 --> 00:30:07,862
I wouldn't say this is
a museum of British design.
592
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,827
I think this... It's hard to say
what British design is.
593
00:30:10,965 --> 00:30:13,586
I think one actually talks more
about designed in Britain,
594
00:30:13,724 --> 00:30:15,689
because this is a city...
this is a country
595
00:30:15,827 --> 00:30:17,931
which welcomes people
from around the world.
596
00:30:18,068 --> 00:30:19,689
Great designers
come to learn here
597
00:30:19,827 --> 00:30:21,931
and they stay here
and that actually adds
598
00:30:22,068 --> 00:30:23,793
to the richness of the community
599
00:30:23,931 --> 00:30:26,103
that there is
in that world here.
600
00:30:26,241 --> 00:30:27,379
Narrator: For Sir Terence,
601
00:30:27,517 --> 00:30:29,413
the old Commonwealth Institute
in Kensington
602
00:30:29,551 --> 00:30:31,034
is a dream come true.
603
00:30:32,448 --> 00:30:35,172
The old Design Museum
at Shad Thames was popular,
604
00:30:35,310 --> 00:30:37,758
but visitor numbers
at the new Design Museum
605
00:30:37,896 --> 00:30:39,586
are in a different league.
606
00:30:42,137 --> 00:30:43,689
I've always thought that design
607
00:30:43,827 --> 00:30:45,758
is too interesting
and too complicated
608
00:30:45,896 --> 00:30:48,413
just to leave to people
who wear Japanese suits
609
00:30:48,551 --> 00:30:49,655
and have complicated haircuts,
610
00:30:49,793 --> 00:30:52,034
so I've always felt
that this stuff matters,
611
00:30:52,172 --> 00:30:55,137
and it's a way really to
understand the world around us.
612
00:30:55,275 --> 00:30:56,689
It's not just what things do,
613
00:30:56,827 --> 00:30:58,965
but it's what they mean
and how they're made
614
00:30:59,103 --> 00:31:01,103
and what they mean to people
that we're looking at here.
615
00:31:03,137 --> 00:31:07,310
- Where we are is a museum
of contemporary design.
616
00:31:07,448 --> 00:31:10,275
We talk about what design does
and is,
617
00:31:10,413 --> 00:31:13,034
but really how relevant it is
to our lives today,
618
00:31:13,172 --> 00:31:16,827
and how it's going to shape
our future.
619
00:31:16,965 --> 00:31:20,068
And the buildings that we build
create our cities,
620
00:31:20,206 --> 00:31:22,827
and these are the cities
that we experience.
621
00:31:22,965 --> 00:31:26,241
So if we build
efficient building,
622
00:31:26,379 --> 00:31:29,517
then we're going to live
a better life.
623
00:31:29,655 --> 00:31:32,310
If we build efficient
transport system,
624
00:31:32,448 --> 00:31:35,965
then we're going to take care of
our environment and resources.
625
00:31:36,103 --> 00:31:38,000
Conversely, if we don't...
626
00:31:38,137 --> 00:31:42,137
Well, we're facing some
difficult choices very soon.
627
00:31:43,896 --> 00:31:46,448
Narrator: The efforts of
Deyan Sudjic, Alice Black
628
00:31:46,586 --> 00:31:48,724
and their teams have paid off.
629
00:31:49,620 --> 00:31:51,413
The new Design Museum won
630
00:31:51,551 --> 00:31:55,517
the European Museum of the Year
Award in 2018.
631
00:32:13,655 --> 00:32:16,620
[stirring orchestral music]
632
00:32:20,931 --> 00:32:22,172
So, here we are,
633
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:24,965
two years after the opening
of The Design Museum
634
00:32:25,103 --> 00:32:26,862
and there's an opportunity
for those
635
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,827
who've lived and breathed
this project for over 10 years
636
00:32:29,965 --> 00:32:33,827
to reflect how visitors
have used, and reacted to,
637
00:32:33,965 --> 00:32:36,310
John Pawson's interior spaces.
638
00:32:42,482 --> 00:32:44,931
For me, what John does
639
00:32:45,068 --> 00:32:47,551
is he works incredibly hard
640
00:32:47,689 --> 00:32:50,758
to let the architecture
blend in
641
00:32:50,896 --> 00:32:52,896
and you don't even notice
642
00:32:53,034 --> 00:32:55,827
all the quality, the research,
643
00:32:55,965 --> 00:32:59,344
the focus that has gone into
creating the environment.
644
00:32:59,482 --> 00:33:03,310
But bit by bit, you'll notice
those magical moments.
645
00:33:07,275 --> 00:33:09,965
For example,
we have a main atrium
646
00:33:10,103 --> 00:33:12,034
which is right here behind me.
647
00:33:12,172 --> 00:33:14,206
But a little bit further out
in the corner,
648
00:33:14,344 --> 00:33:18,793
there's a smaller atrium,
and you just happen upon it.
649
00:33:18,931 --> 00:33:22,379
Now, this is a new atrium
that John created
650
00:33:22,517 --> 00:33:25,758
because he wanted to evidence
the massive buttress
651
00:33:25,896 --> 00:33:28,172
that goes through the floor
652
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:31,827
and connects to the roof above
and supports it.
653
00:33:39,689 --> 00:33:41,689
It's like you move
in a little city
654
00:33:41,827 --> 00:33:43,517
and you happen upon a piazza.
655
00:33:43,655 --> 00:33:46,931
It's...it's just
a wonderful discovery.
656
00:33:50,827 --> 00:33:53,206
The use of light
under the balustrades,
657
00:33:53,344 --> 00:33:54,827
that really, you know,
658
00:33:54,965 --> 00:33:58,482
guides visitor
around the building.
659
00:34:02,137 --> 00:34:04,103
This is a concrete building.
660
00:34:04,241 --> 00:34:06,689
It's a pretty harsh structure.
661
00:34:06,827 --> 00:34:09,068
So bringing wood
into that building
662
00:34:09,206 --> 00:34:13,724
softens that harshness
of the concrete.
663
00:34:13,862 --> 00:34:16,379
And, you know,
the wood panelling all around
664
00:34:16,517 --> 00:34:19,000
has got tiny little dots in it.
665
00:34:19,137 --> 00:34:22,724
And this is to make it
sound absorbing.
666
00:34:22,862 --> 00:34:24,931
So the acoustics is amazing.
667
00:34:25,068 --> 00:34:28,758
That means that we've had
concerts in this building.
668
00:34:28,896 --> 00:34:30,206
We've had performances.
669
00:34:30,344 --> 00:34:32,724
And the stamina's just amazing.
670
00:34:36,896 --> 00:34:38,931
People like to walk around
671
00:34:39,068 --> 00:34:41,310
because from everywhere
around this atrium,
672
00:34:41,448 --> 00:34:44,620
you can spot and spy
what others are doing,
673
00:34:44,758 --> 00:34:46,068
and that's a lovely feeling.
674
00:34:46,206 --> 00:34:48,034
So when we have events here,
675
00:34:48,172 --> 00:34:50,655
it's such an amazing location,
676
00:34:50,793 --> 00:34:52,344
because you can people watch
677
00:34:52,482 --> 00:34:54,344
and you have a beautiful view
678
00:34:54,482 --> 00:34:56,241
into what's happening
in the centre.
679
00:35:00,620 --> 00:35:01,896
Narrator: For Deyan Sudjic,
680
00:35:02,034 --> 00:35:03,517
the creation
of the Design Museum
681
00:35:03,655 --> 00:35:04,793
is a personal achievement
682
00:35:04,931 --> 00:35:07,172
that's brought
so many strands together,
683
00:35:07,310 --> 00:35:10,724
his desire to give the museum
a wider audience,
684
00:35:10,862 --> 00:35:12,793
his admiration for John Pawson,
685
00:35:12,931 --> 00:35:14,551
he wrote a book about him once,
686
00:35:14,689 --> 00:35:17,655
and his personal quest
to explain design.
687
00:35:18,862 --> 00:35:20,241
Not to mention the opportunity
688
00:35:20,379 --> 00:35:22,517
to be involved in the art
of architecture,
689
00:35:22,655 --> 00:35:24,275
because, as a youngster,
690
00:35:24,413 --> 00:35:27,034
he himself wanted to be
an architect.
691
00:35:29,689 --> 00:35:31,827
I was too...I was too impatient
and too incompetent
692
00:35:31,965 --> 00:35:33,103
to be an architect,
693
00:35:33,241 --> 00:35:34,448
which is why I became
a journalist,
694
00:35:34,586 --> 00:35:37,068
which gives you the sense
of instant gratification
695
00:35:37,206 --> 00:35:40,344
of seeing something in print
or on the radio, on television.
696
00:35:40,482 --> 00:35:42,206
But over the years,
I've been very fortunate
697
00:35:42,344 --> 00:35:44,965
to understand that journalism
is essentially
698
00:35:45,103 --> 00:35:46,724
a very selfish activity
699
00:35:46,862 --> 00:35:48,517
where other people
are getting in the way
700
00:35:48,655 --> 00:35:50,344
of your chance
to express yourself.
701
00:35:58,206 --> 00:35:59,965
The museum and the things
I've done previously
702
00:36:00,103 --> 00:36:02,896
are about creating a place
in which many people
703
00:36:03,034 --> 00:36:05,965
can find ways
to do good things.
704
00:36:08,931 --> 00:36:11,448
Doing this building has been
the most fun I've ever had.
705
00:36:14,344 --> 00:36:16,482
Narrator: So, for Deyan Sudjic,
there's a reason
706
00:36:16,620 --> 00:36:19,655
to celebrate architecture
in the new Design Museum.
707
00:36:21,103 --> 00:36:23,896
And in its first years,
one of the main exhibitions
708
00:36:24,034 --> 00:36:26,827
is of the work of the architect
Sir David Adjaye,
709
00:36:26,965 --> 00:36:28,206
whose National Museum
710
00:36:28,344 --> 00:36:30,793
of African-American History
and Culture in Washington
711
00:36:30,931 --> 00:36:32,517
has won plaudits.
712
00:36:40,793 --> 00:36:43,275
And, in this refined space,
713
00:36:43,413 --> 00:36:46,172
what can we say
about John Pawson?
714
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:49,275
That he's the exact opposite
of the 'starchitect'.
715
00:36:49,413 --> 00:36:51,000
That modesty and simplicity,
716
00:36:51,137 --> 00:36:53,206
or 'serenity',
as he likes to call it,
717
00:36:53,344 --> 00:36:55,000
have informed his career.
718
00:36:57,586 --> 00:36:59,172
That the Design Museum
re-modelling
719
00:36:59,310 --> 00:37:03,206
comes at a point in his life
where he's taking stock,
720
00:37:03,344 --> 00:37:05,241
and when his contribution
to the life of the nation
721
00:37:05,379 --> 00:37:08,172
is recognised in the Queen's
New Year's Honours.
722
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:10,206
He's been made a CBE.
723
00:37:11,965 --> 00:37:15,241
Next stop, an investiture
at Buckingham Palace.
724
00:37:18,827 --> 00:37:21,862
Good thing the idea of becoming
a Zen Buddhist monk
725
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,275
didn't work out.
726
00:37:25,172 --> 00:37:26,758
- I'm 70.
727
00:37:28,034 --> 00:37:29,034
And...you know, you...
728
00:37:29,172 --> 00:37:32,068
I suppose
it's some sort of wake-up,
729
00:37:32,206 --> 00:37:36,000
and...and...of course
I don't think I've changed.
730
00:37:36,137 --> 00:37:40,137
You know, I think I'm,
you know, 30 looking out.
731
00:37:40,275 --> 00:37:43,241
It's only when you catch sight,
you know, in the reflection
732
00:37:43,379 --> 00:37:45,034
or...or you then...
733
00:37:45,172 --> 00:37:47,448
But I've...
I have noticed recently
734
00:37:47,586 --> 00:37:49,620
that people, you know,
being a bit...
735
00:37:49,758 --> 00:37:51,000
There's a bit more deference.
736
00:37:52,862 --> 00:37:54,344
Which is really worrying,
737
00:37:54,482 --> 00:37:56,379
'cause it means obviously...
[laughs]
738
00:37:56,517 --> 00:37:58,620
you're established or something,
739
00:37:58,758 --> 00:38:01,000
but there is a body of work,
which is...
740
00:38:02,034 --> 00:38:03,551
So I guess...
741
00:38:03,689 --> 00:38:07,000
I mean, I've never been one
for thinking about legacy
742
00:38:07,137 --> 00:38:08,724
or any of those other things,
743
00:38:08,862 --> 00:38:13,517
but there is a body of work,
which, you know, is a broad span
744
00:38:13,655 --> 00:38:16,586
and...and, um...
745
00:38:17,586 --> 00:38:19,689
Yeah. I mean, it's...
746
00:38:19,827 --> 00:38:23,413
It's, you know,
it's other buggers' efforts.
747
00:38:23,551 --> 00:38:27,827
But I'm happy to be the focus.
[laughs]
748
00:39:52,862 --> 00:39:54,517
Narrator: Next time...
749
00:39:54,655 --> 00:39:57,931
We become accustomed
to steel and glass.
750
00:39:58,068 --> 00:40:01,413
But one man continues to draw,
design and build
751
00:40:01,551 --> 00:40:03,827
with older methods of materials,
752
00:40:03,965 --> 00:40:05,517
in the classical style.
753
00:40:06,206 --> 00:40:07,379
John Simpson,
754
00:40:07,517 --> 00:40:09,413
a favourite architect
of the Prince of Wales,
755
00:40:09,551 --> 00:40:13,172
follows in the footsteps
of Palladio, Nash and Adam,
756
00:40:13,310 --> 00:40:15,551
to give the world a
new classicism,
757
00:40:15,689 --> 00:40:17,965
which connects the future
with the past.
758
00:40:18,758 --> 00:40:19,896
- What needed to happen
759
00:40:20,034 --> 00:40:21,965
was actually to update
the tradition
760
00:40:22,103 --> 00:40:24,448
and bring it
into the 21st century.
761
00:40:25,413 --> 00:40:26,896
It's not just meet the needs,
762
00:40:27,034 --> 00:40:29,068
but actually take society
forward.
763
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,000
Narrator: And now,
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00:40:34,137 --> 00:40:36,344
after years
of designing for others,
765
00:40:36,482 --> 00:40:39,517
John Simpson has made a house
for himself.
766
00:40:39,655 --> 00:40:41,896
But it's not
what you might expect.
767
00:40:42,034 --> 00:40:44,586
- It's purely a matter
of making the whole thing work,
768
00:40:44,724 --> 00:40:50,000
and finding ways of weaving
things and stories into it,
769
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and giving it
a sort of much more...
770
00:40:51,931 --> 00:40:53,413
Well, having fun, essentially.
771
00:40:53,551 --> 00:40:56,551
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