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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,793 --> 00:00:04,827 [stirring music] 2 00:00:07,758 --> 00:00:09,275 Narrator: Locked up and unloved, 3 00:00:09,413 --> 00:00:11,103 the old Commonwealth Institute 4 00:00:11,241 --> 00:00:12,896 in London's fashionable Kensington 5 00:00:13,034 --> 00:00:15,241 faced an uncertain future. 6 00:00:17,172 --> 00:00:19,724 Opened in 1962 as a permanent showcase 7 00:00:19,862 --> 00:00:21,241 for the countries of the Commonwealth, 8 00:00:21,379 --> 00:00:24,758 its unusual design proved costly to maintain. 9 00:00:24,896 --> 00:00:29,310 So costly that in 2004, the building was closed. 10 00:00:31,517 --> 00:00:34,172 By then, this landmark on Kensington High Street, 11 00:00:34,310 --> 00:00:35,965 with its unusual roof, 12 00:00:36,103 --> 00:00:38,344 had been listed Grade II#*. 13 00:00:38,482 --> 00:00:39,931 English Heritage called it 14 00:00:40,068 --> 00:00:42,482 the second most important modern building in London, 15 00:00:42,620 --> 00:00:44,275 after the Royal Festival Hall. 16 00:00:45,517 --> 00:00:46,965 Now, it has a new life, 17 00:00:47,103 --> 00:00:49,068 as home of The Design Museum 18 00:00:49,206 --> 00:00:52,275 with the exterior masterplan handled by OMA 19 00:00:52,413 --> 00:00:54,517 and the interior crafted 20 00:00:54,655 --> 00:00:57,000 by one of Britain's greatest minimalists, 21 00:00:57,137 --> 00:00:58,551 John Pawson. 22 00:01:00,137 --> 00:01:01,413 - You can never please everybody, 23 00:01:01,551 --> 00:01:03,379 because of course there were people 24 00:01:03,517 --> 00:01:05,551 who loved the Commonwealth Institute as it was 25 00:01:05,689 --> 00:01:07,931 and so didn't want anything changed. 26 00:01:08,068 --> 00:01:10,241 And then there are people who realise that... 27 00:01:10,379 --> 00:01:12,206 that by saving it, 28 00:01:12,344 --> 00:01:16,482 and...and retuning it for the Design Museum 29 00:01:16,620 --> 00:01:18,068 was perhaps a good thing. 30 00:01:18,206 --> 00:01:21,206 [stirring music continues] 31 00:02:21,965 --> 00:02:24,793 Narrator: Perth, Western Australia, 2011. 32 00:02:26,379 --> 00:02:27,758 The Queen is opening the Commonwealth 33 00:02:27,896 --> 00:02:30,068 Heads of Government Meeting. 34 00:02:30,206 --> 00:02:32,896 She has a particular passion for the Commonwealth, 35 00:02:33,034 --> 00:02:35,931 the organisation that ties together 53 countries, 36 00:02:36,068 --> 00:02:38,448 many of which were part of the British Empire 37 00:02:38,586 --> 00:02:40,724 when she was crowned in 1953. 38 00:02:46,344 --> 00:02:49,344 Five years after the Queen's coronation, 39 00:02:49,482 --> 00:02:51,344 the old Imperial Institute 40 00:02:51,482 --> 00:02:53,620 was renamed the Commonwealth Institute 41 00:02:53,758 --> 00:02:54,896 and it commissioned a building 42 00:02:55,034 --> 00:02:57,000 where Londoners could find out about life 43 00:02:57,137 --> 00:03:00,413 in those far-off lands coloured pink in the school atlas, 44 00:03:00,551 --> 00:03:03,241 that the Queen made it her mission to visit. 45 00:03:08,068 --> 00:03:09,689 The London building was designed by 46 00:03:09,827 --> 00:03:11,965 Robert Matthew Johnson Marshall and Partners 47 00:03:12,103 --> 00:03:14,137 at the south end of Holland Park, 48 00:03:14,275 --> 00:03:16,275 under a swooping paraboloid roof 49 00:03:16,413 --> 00:03:19,965 made from 25 tonnes of copper donated by Northern Rhodesia. 50 00:03:21,689 --> 00:03:23,758 The Queen opened it in 1962. 51 00:03:25,413 --> 00:03:27,896 But there were problems, leaks being one of them. 52 00:03:29,896 --> 00:03:31,724 As the memory of Empire faded 53 00:03:31,862 --> 00:03:33,241 and the Commonwealth matured, 54 00:03:33,379 --> 00:03:36,068 the Institute began to look old-fashioned. 55 00:03:36,206 --> 00:03:38,862 And it was costing millions to maintain. 56 00:03:40,827 --> 00:03:43,931 So, controversially, it was sold to developers, 57 00:03:44,068 --> 00:03:45,896 with permission to use some of the land 58 00:03:46,034 --> 00:03:47,344 for apartment blocks, 59 00:03:47,482 --> 00:03:50,931 as long as the 1962 building was kept. 60 00:03:51,068 --> 00:03:53,310 The scheme wasn't popular with some conservationists 61 00:03:53,448 --> 00:03:56,103 but at least the Institute would survive. 62 00:03:56,241 --> 00:03:59,310 With a new occupier, The Design Museum. 63 00:04:01,103 --> 00:04:05,827 And, in the year that the Queen made her last trip Down Under, 64 00:04:05,965 --> 00:04:07,448 the man who founded the Design Museum, 65 00:04:07,586 --> 00:04:09,310 Sir Terence Conran, 66 00:04:09,448 --> 00:04:13,137 gave £17.5 million of his own money 67 00:04:13,275 --> 00:04:15,310 to realise a dream. 68 00:04:17,862 --> 00:04:21,310 Terence Conran is burying a time capsule. 69 00:04:21,448 --> 00:04:23,310 It's been a long road from the early days 70 00:04:23,448 --> 00:04:26,310 in the basement of the V & A to this site, 71 00:04:26,448 --> 00:04:29,413 right in the heart of London's Cultural Quarter. 72 00:04:29,551 --> 00:04:32,275 And Conran hopes it will send a message. 73 00:04:34,310 --> 00:04:35,586 - Really, the most important 74 00:04:35,724 --> 00:04:37,000 thing for me 75 00:04:37,137 --> 00:04:40,103 is that it should persuade government 76 00:04:40,241 --> 00:04:43,896 of the importance of design. 77 00:04:44,034 --> 00:04:47,206 And how important it is to put engineers 78 00:04:47,344 --> 00:04:51,275 and entrepreneurs and designers together 79 00:04:51,413 --> 00:04:53,965 to create new industries, 80 00:04:54,103 --> 00:04:59,379 making things that the world wants. 81 00:04:59,517 --> 00:05:01,517 Narrator: For many years, the Design Museum lived 82 00:05:01,655 --> 00:05:03,103 on a wharf in the Thames, 83 00:05:03,241 --> 00:05:05,034 a stone's throw from Tower Bridge. 84 00:05:06,448 --> 00:05:07,448 A bit out of the way. 85 00:05:08,620 --> 00:05:09,862 Terence Conran believed 86 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,310 that all this deserves a wider audience, 87 00:05:12,448 --> 00:05:14,275 an audience that, in Kensington, 88 00:05:14,413 --> 00:05:17,586 may already have visited the Science Museum, the V & A 89 00:05:17,724 --> 00:05:19,206 and the Natural History Museum. 90 00:05:20,482 --> 00:05:22,517 But moving to such a prestigious area, 91 00:05:22,655 --> 00:05:26,310 and adapting a 1962 building, comes at a price. 92 00:05:26,448 --> 00:05:28,689 £83 million. 93 00:05:32,172 --> 00:05:35,034 The challenge has been given to a man known for minimalism, 94 00:05:35,172 --> 00:05:36,517 John Pawson. 95 00:05:38,344 --> 00:05:40,206 - Everybody always thinks of architecture 96 00:05:40,344 --> 00:05:41,413 as being new buildings. 97 00:05:41,551 --> 00:05:43,482 But actually, it's a lot more than that. 98 00:05:43,620 --> 00:05:45,103 And I think as time goes on, 99 00:05:45,241 --> 00:05:50,517 finding a new use or retuning great, um, existing buildings, 100 00:05:50,655 --> 00:05:52,896 I think is probably one way to go. 101 00:05:53,034 --> 00:05:54,310 It was an exhibition space, 102 00:05:54,448 --> 00:05:56,655 but it was an exhibition space which of course 103 00:05:56,793 --> 00:05:59,862 was to show the commonwealth countries' products. 104 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,586 But of course so they didn't need windows. 105 00:06:02,724 --> 00:06:05,241 And of course the big difference for us is that, you know, 106 00:06:05,379 --> 00:06:08,000 I want people to be able to easily orientate themselves 107 00:06:08,137 --> 00:06:09,793 and know where the front door was 108 00:06:09,931 --> 00:06:11,620 [laughs] after they've been in. 109 00:06:11,758 --> 00:06:14,620 So we've got windows. It's an extraordinary space. 110 00:06:14,758 --> 00:06:16,137 And to have it in the middle of Kensington 111 00:06:16,275 --> 00:06:17,862 is...was extraordinary. 112 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,862 I mean, you'd never be able to build it today. 113 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,862 - Here in this parlour, we've got the most... 114 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,724 the greatest single concentration of museums 115 00:06:24,862 --> 00:06:26,896 in the world. And how delighted we are... 116 00:06:27,034 --> 00:06:28,344 Narrator: Today is a milestone 117 00:06:28,482 --> 00:06:31,000 for writer and broadcaster Deyan Sudjic, 118 00:06:31,137 --> 00:06:34,517 once the design and architecture critic for The Observer, 119 00:06:34,655 --> 00:06:38,931 who took over as Director of the Design Museum in 2006. 120 00:06:39,068 --> 00:06:40,551 It's taken a long time to get here. 121 00:06:40,689 --> 00:06:42,275 A lot of people worked really, really hard. 122 00:06:42,413 --> 00:06:43,689 But for me, it's particularly wonderful. 123 00:06:43,827 --> 00:06:45,482 I used to come to this building as a child 124 00:06:45,620 --> 00:06:47,103 when it was the most modern interior in London. 125 00:06:47,241 --> 00:06:49,517 It was a utopian dream of what Britain might be. 126 00:06:49,655 --> 00:06:51,896 And to bring it back to life for a new design museum 127 00:06:52,034 --> 00:06:53,379 is particularly satisfying. 128 00:06:53,517 --> 00:06:56,137 It was a monument to British engineering 129 00:06:56,275 --> 00:06:58,551 and daring, one might say, architecture. 130 00:06:58,689 --> 00:07:00,448 And we're going to bring it back to life sympathetically. 131 00:07:00,586 --> 00:07:01,896 For a new use, of course. 132 00:07:02,034 --> 00:07:03,793 This, to me, 133 00:07:03,931 --> 00:07:08,862 is...really one of the most fantastic days 134 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,000 of my rather long life. 135 00:07:13,413 --> 00:07:17,965 And...the next three years, 136 00:07:18,103 --> 00:07:24,241 when we make this ambition 137 00:07:24,379 --> 00:07:29,068 to be the very best design museum in the world. 138 00:07:29,206 --> 00:07:32,931 Every city wants a design museum, 139 00:07:33,068 --> 00:07:35,965 it seems these days. 140 00:07:36,103 --> 00:07:42,862 But this is where creative Britain should lead. 141 00:07:44,931 --> 00:07:46,586 Narrator: Fast forward four years, 142 00:07:46,724 --> 00:07:48,896 and the old Commonwealth Institute building 143 00:07:49,034 --> 00:07:52,000 is still a recognisable feature of Kensington. 144 00:07:52,137 --> 00:07:54,862 Now cured of its 1960s leaks, 145 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:56,896 and covering an exhibition space 146 00:07:57,034 --> 00:08:00,103 that speaks not of the history of Empire and Commonwealth, 147 00:08:00,241 --> 00:08:02,068 but of design. 148 00:08:04,103 --> 00:08:08,448 And that includes John Pawson's own design for the interior. 149 00:08:10,137 --> 00:08:13,137 [smooth jazz music] 150 00:08:24,965 --> 00:08:26,896 - It's trying to... 151 00:08:27,034 --> 00:08:28,724 to have a certain calmness, 152 00:08:28,862 --> 00:08:31,724 so that you...you sort of feel good when you walk in 153 00:08:31,862 --> 00:08:33,517 and then...and things look good, 154 00:08:33,655 --> 00:08:34,862 you know, when it's a bit calmer. 155 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,551 I mean, it's the sort of serenity, I suppose, 156 00:08:37,689 --> 00:08:39,068 would be a word you'd be after. 157 00:08:39,206 --> 00:08:42,310 [smooth jazz music continues] 158 00:08:44,827 --> 00:08:47,379 We were able to, I suppose, 159 00:08:47,517 --> 00:08:51,103 bring a certain domestic refinedness 160 00:08:51,241 --> 00:08:53,344 to, you know, a big public space. 161 00:08:53,482 --> 00:08:55,965 So it... I think when you walk in, 162 00:08:56,103 --> 00:08:58,413 it has a calmness 163 00:08:58,551 --> 00:09:01,000 and a certain, you know, friendliness. 164 00:09:01,137 --> 00:09:03,344 And, you know, and you incorporate all those things. 165 00:09:03,482 --> 00:09:05,551 I mean, one of the things I wanted to do was, you know, 166 00:09:05,689 --> 00:09:08,620 when you walked in, you could orientate yourself 167 00:09:08,758 --> 00:09:11,482 by seeing wherever you wanted to go. 168 00:09:11,620 --> 00:09:13,793 You know, you could...you could... 169 00:09:13,931 --> 00:09:17,379 and there was this incredible vertical sense of space. 170 00:09:17,517 --> 00:09:20,655 You know, because you see the whole five floors 171 00:09:20,793 --> 00:09:23,103 from certain vantage points. 172 00:09:24,310 --> 00:09:26,724 Narrator: Pawson is in love with wood. 173 00:09:26,862 --> 00:09:29,206 He's chosen oak for the atrium 174 00:09:29,344 --> 00:09:32,758 and, as usual, paid great attention to detail. 175 00:09:32,896 --> 00:09:35,034 The way the strips of wood meet, 176 00:09:35,172 --> 00:09:37,827 how the wood interacts with other materials. 177 00:09:37,965 --> 00:09:39,551 And he was well aware 178 00:09:39,689 --> 00:09:43,275 that too much wood can overwhelm. 179 00:09:43,413 --> 00:09:47,344 Pawson: I didn't want it to be, you know, like a humidor. 180 00:09:47,482 --> 00:09:49,344 You know, I mean, it's... 181 00:09:49,482 --> 00:09:51,172 so there's still a lot of white. 182 00:09:51,310 --> 00:09:53,310 But I mean, the main... one of the main 183 00:09:53,448 --> 00:09:58,620 things for me is that I tried to have the white out of reach. 184 00:09:58,758 --> 00:10:02,137 I haven't succeeded everywhere, but you... So you'd... [laughs] 185 00:10:02,275 --> 00:10:04,275 The paw marks aren't, um... 186 00:10:04,413 --> 00:10:06,137 So that... I mean, that's one of the reasons for wood, 187 00:10:06,275 --> 00:10:10,413 and also I was able to perforate the panels 188 00:10:10,551 --> 00:10:12,172 so that they're acoustic as well, 189 00:10:12,310 --> 00:10:15,310 which makes the... it more comfortable, 190 00:10:15,448 --> 00:10:17,172 audibly more comfortable. 191 00:10:21,241 --> 00:10:23,724 An architect works with, you know, 192 00:10:23,862 --> 00:10:26,000 various things for building. 193 00:10:26,137 --> 00:10:27,862 I mean, building blocks, material's probably 194 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,206 one of the most important, and light. 195 00:10:31,344 --> 00:10:33,965 And then...and then the others like scale and proportion 196 00:10:34,103 --> 00:10:35,586 and mass and things like that. 197 00:10:35,724 --> 00:10:37,137 But material, yes, I mean, 198 00:10:37,275 --> 00:10:39,931 my palette's never been very big. [chuckles] 199 00:10:40,068 --> 00:10:42,586 It's just two or three different woods 200 00:10:42,724 --> 00:10:45,068 and two or three different stones. 201 00:10:48,551 --> 00:10:50,586 Narrator: And does the minimalist do justice 202 00:10:50,724 --> 00:10:52,448 to the Commonwealth Institute of old? 203 00:10:52,586 --> 00:10:56,551 Yes, says the Design Museum's Director. 204 00:10:56,689 --> 00:10:59,448 - I remember coming to this building as a child. 205 00:10:59,586 --> 00:11:01,034 It was a compulsory school visit. 206 00:11:01,172 --> 00:11:03,965 And we thrilled at the sights of the diorama 207 00:11:04,103 --> 00:11:06,724 that...convey the finer points of sheep shearing 208 00:11:06,862 --> 00:11:08,241 in the case of Australia, 209 00:11:08,379 --> 00:11:12,413 or the Inuit totem pole and the snowmobile from Canada, 210 00:11:12,551 --> 00:11:14,241 and the Sri Lankans who, rather regrettably, 211 00:11:14,379 --> 00:11:16,344 shot and stuffed a tiger for their display. 212 00:11:17,310 --> 00:11:19,034 And like many utopian buildings, 213 00:11:19,172 --> 00:11:21,551 the roof leaked furiously 214 00:11:21,689 --> 00:11:24,137 and the insulation characteristics were terrible, 215 00:11:24,275 --> 00:11:26,137 so as time went by, the commonwealth decided 216 00:11:26,275 --> 00:11:28,275 they would rather spend their money elsewhere, 217 00:11:28,413 --> 00:11:30,379 and left this building as a landmark. 218 00:11:30,517 --> 00:11:32,793 A modern landmark, a modern ruin. 219 00:11:32,931 --> 00:11:34,275 And again, when I was a journalist, 220 00:11:34,413 --> 00:11:35,896 then at the Observer, 221 00:11:36,034 --> 00:11:38,137 I found myself actually confronted with the glimmer 222 00:11:38,275 --> 00:11:40,379 of the attempt by the then Secretary of State Tessa Jowell 223 00:11:40,517 --> 00:11:42,655 to have the building delisted 224 00:11:42,793 --> 00:11:44,724 so the commonwealth could flob off the land 225 00:11:44,862 --> 00:11:46,862 as advantageously as possible. 226 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,241 And I am so glad that I actually said it must be saved, 227 00:11:49,379 --> 00:11:51,379 because four years later, 228 00:11:51,517 --> 00:11:53,620 when I was trying to find a new home for the Design Museum, 229 00:11:53,758 --> 00:11:56,448 this seemed like a very positive option. 230 00:12:04,896 --> 00:12:07,931 [smooth jazz music concludes] 231 00:12:25,862 --> 00:12:27,517 Narrator: At 70, John Pawson, 232 00:12:27,655 --> 00:12:30,000 born in Halifax, educated at Eton, 233 00:12:30,137 --> 00:12:32,137 can reflect on a career 234 00:12:32,275 --> 00:12:34,620 as one of Britain's most sensitive designers, 235 00:12:34,758 --> 00:12:38,103 a man who reduced architecture to its minimalist form 236 00:12:38,241 --> 00:12:41,965 and played with light, mass, rhythm, scale and proportion. 237 00:12:42,103 --> 00:12:45,103 [uplifting orchestral music] 238 00:12:49,724 --> 00:12:51,206 He started his practice in 1981 239 00:12:51,344 --> 00:12:54,000 and attracted attention in the early 1990s 240 00:12:54,137 --> 00:12:57,379 for taking a Victorian town house, his own home, 241 00:12:57,517 --> 00:13:00,862 and replacing the interior with a homage to minimalism. 242 00:13:04,379 --> 00:13:06,758 - My father was an architect [indistinct]. 243 00:13:06,896 --> 00:13:09,241 I mean, he...he was always, um... 244 00:13:09,379 --> 00:13:12,275 had friendly architects that he was drawing up plans with 245 00:13:12,413 --> 00:13:14,931 and so on. So home was... 246 00:13:15,068 --> 00:13:17,344 ..you know, the... There was that sort of feeling about it. 247 00:13:17,482 --> 00:13:19,965 But yes, it's strange. I mean, I remember... 248 00:13:20,103 --> 00:13:22,241 you know, odd things. 249 00:13:22,379 --> 00:13:24,551 You know, odd spaces in Halifax 250 00:13:24,689 --> 00:13:25,793 and things that you'd walk into 251 00:13:25,931 --> 00:13:28,241 and you couldn't quite understand 252 00:13:28,379 --> 00:13:30,896 why some places felt good and others didn't. 253 00:13:31,034 --> 00:13:32,275 I was trying to explain 254 00:13:32,413 --> 00:13:35,310 or trying to understand where something comes from 255 00:13:35,448 --> 00:13:37,931 in your...DNA or your background, 256 00:13:38,068 --> 00:13:40,448 or why you ended up being an architect, 257 00:13:40,586 --> 00:13:43,931 why you ended up designing as you do. 258 00:13:44,068 --> 00:13:47,172 So you... It's all instinctive. 259 00:13:47,310 --> 00:13:50,172 But then you go back to... If people... 260 00:13:50,310 --> 00:13:53,068 If you want to try and explain to people why... 261 00:13:53,206 --> 00:13:55,310 you know, as my sisters say, 262 00:13:55,448 --> 00:13:58,482 "Why you turned out so weird," you know? 263 00:14:00,517 --> 00:14:02,655 Narrator: His work includes houses, 264 00:14:02,793 --> 00:14:05,344 many of them in extraordinary settings... 265 00:14:14,689 --> 00:14:17,793 ..churches - this is the church of St Moritz in Augsburg 266 00:14:17,931 --> 00:14:20,379 where Pawson re-organised the interior 267 00:14:20,517 --> 00:14:22,689 in his trademark minimalist style. 268 00:14:25,482 --> 00:14:27,206 A bridge, 269 00:14:27,344 --> 00:14:29,379 ballet sets... 270 00:14:31,724 --> 00:14:33,620 ..even the interiors of yachts. 271 00:14:36,931 --> 00:14:39,655 His is one of the few architects' practices 272 00:14:39,793 --> 00:14:42,379 to have been asked to design and build an abbey. 273 00:14:45,241 --> 00:14:47,862 When the monks from the Abbey of Our Lady in Bohemia 274 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,517 turned up at his London office, 275 00:14:49,655 --> 00:14:51,068 he thought it was a practical joke 276 00:14:51,206 --> 00:14:52,517 played by his staff. 277 00:14:52,655 --> 00:14:54,137 It wasn't. 278 00:14:54,275 --> 00:14:58,758 And since 2004, the Pawson team has been working on a chapel, 279 00:14:58,896 --> 00:15:01,517 a guesthouse and outbuildings 280 00:15:01,655 --> 00:15:04,206 at this important site in the Czech Republic. 281 00:15:08,206 --> 00:15:11,551 It's all done, he says, "with simplicity." 282 00:15:12,862 --> 00:15:14,517 He believes, "Life has a spiritual 283 00:15:14,655 --> 00:15:15,965 "and a physical dimension 284 00:15:16,103 --> 00:15:19,379 "and architecture must seamlessly hold both." 285 00:15:19,517 --> 00:15:22,206 The sort of quote you might expect from a man 286 00:15:22,344 --> 00:15:25,862 who, at 24, left Yorkshire for Japan 287 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,034 to become a Zen Buddhist monk. 288 00:15:32,655 --> 00:15:34,517 I had a dream of becoming a Zen Buddhist monk 289 00:15:34,655 --> 00:15:37,172 but, um, it didn't quite... 290 00:15:37,310 --> 00:15:39,965 you know, I ended up teaching at university, though, so... 291 00:15:43,103 --> 00:15:45,413 My mother's Methodist background 292 00:15:45,551 --> 00:15:49,034 and, um... primitive Methodist that... 293 00:15:49,172 --> 00:15:51,931 I think she always wanted me to be a missionary. 294 00:15:52,068 --> 00:15:56,620 Um, she wasn't...expecting me to sort of go somewhere fancy, 295 00:15:56,758 --> 00:15:58,517 you know? [chuckles] 296 00:15:58,655 --> 00:16:01,862 She just wanted me to do it sort of modestly. 297 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,000 [siren wails distantly] 298 00:16:06,896 --> 00:16:08,241 You know, you try to work at something 299 00:16:08,379 --> 00:16:11,000 so that nothing is done really for effect, 300 00:16:11,137 --> 00:16:13,275 or, you know, you... 301 00:16:13,413 --> 00:16:15,241 I think everything has to have a reason, 302 00:16:15,379 --> 00:16:17,448 you know, behind the design. 303 00:16:21,413 --> 00:16:24,724 It's hard work, and you sort of, you know, 304 00:16:24,862 --> 00:16:28,551 grind away at it and hopefully, you know, it works. 305 00:16:30,862 --> 00:16:33,275 I've been lucky to be able to have done, 306 00:16:33,413 --> 00:16:35,137 you know, such a mix of buildings. 307 00:16:35,275 --> 00:16:37,931 I mean, to...you know, to do the churches 308 00:16:38,068 --> 00:16:39,655 and the monasteries is, you know, 309 00:16:39,793 --> 00:16:41,689 isn't open to every architect. 310 00:16:41,827 --> 00:16:43,965 I mean, I've been incredibly lucky to do that. 311 00:16:44,103 --> 00:16:46,586 And then you have the domestic houses 312 00:16:46,724 --> 00:16:48,000 and the stuff. 313 00:16:48,137 --> 00:16:50,862 I mean, designing things to go in those buildings. 314 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,206 It's not that I want... I want to control everything, 315 00:16:56,344 --> 00:16:57,931 per se, but I... 316 00:16:58,068 --> 00:17:01,655 it... these small things do affect the atmosphere, 317 00:17:01,793 --> 00:17:05,034 and, you know, and the way you feel about places. 318 00:17:05,172 --> 00:17:07,034 [birds tweeting] 319 00:17:07,172 --> 00:17:10,172 [gentle music] 320 00:17:14,965 --> 00:17:17,655 Narrator: Most architects look to those who went before them 321 00:17:17,793 --> 00:17:18,827 for inspiration. 322 00:17:21,344 --> 00:17:22,517 For John Pawson, 323 00:17:22,655 --> 00:17:25,034 it was the German-American Mies van der Rohe, 324 00:17:25,172 --> 00:17:27,620 one of the pioneers of modernist architecture, 325 00:17:27,758 --> 00:17:30,241 who coined the expression 'less is more', 326 00:17:30,379 --> 00:17:32,586 an idea given expression through designs 327 00:17:32,724 --> 00:17:34,827 like the Farnsworth House near Chicago, 328 00:17:34,965 --> 00:17:37,482 built just after the Second World War, 329 00:17:37,620 --> 00:17:39,793 and rescued in 1972 330 00:17:39,931 --> 00:17:42,862 by Arts Council Chairman Peter Palumbo. 331 00:17:43,896 --> 00:17:45,172 - I did have a day there 332 00:17:45,310 --> 00:17:48,000 which was absolutely amazing, 333 00:17:48,137 --> 00:17:51,000 and Peter Palumbo had organised it. 334 00:17:52,448 --> 00:17:55,827 And they had a housekeeper or a woman that looked after it, 335 00:17:55,965 --> 00:17:59,000 and we arrived in the morning, 336 00:17:59,137 --> 00:18:00,275 and you know, 337 00:18:00,413 --> 00:18:03,758 she was very welcoming and quite talkative. 338 00:18:05,103 --> 00:18:06,931 Very, very talkative. 339 00:18:07,068 --> 00:18:09,068 And so I thought, "What on earth am I going to do?" 340 00:18:09,206 --> 00:18:11,310 Because I just...you know, you just couldn't... 341 00:18:11,448 --> 00:18:14,965 absorb the atmosphere, because of this sort of... 342 00:18:15,103 --> 00:18:18,310 You know, she felt the need to not have any silence. 343 00:18:19,793 --> 00:18:21,241 And so I said, I said to her, 344 00:18:21,379 --> 00:18:24,793 "Oh, maybe we should all have a minute's silence 345 00:18:24,931 --> 00:18:26,310 "in memory of Mies." 346 00:18:27,655 --> 00:18:30,068 And what was brilliant is she took that on board 347 00:18:30,206 --> 00:18:32,896 more seriously than I could have hoped. 348 00:18:33,034 --> 00:18:34,793 And... [laughs] 349 00:18:34,931 --> 00:18:36,724 So it took a, you know, 350 00:18:36,862 --> 00:18:39,413 an hour to break the silence, which was great. 351 00:18:43,827 --> 00:18:47,379 I would say there are no heroes, but, um... 352 00:18:47,517 --> 00:18:51,172 But I'd say he's about as good as you...you can get, 353 00:18:51,310 --> 00:18:53,137 I think, in architecture. 354 00:18:53,275 --> 00:18:54,931 I mean, extraordinary. 355 00:18:55,068 --> 00:18:57,586 I mean, the body of work 356 00:18:57,724 --> 00:18:59,793 and the dedication and the talent. 357 00:18:59,931 --> 00:19:02,827 I mean, huge, massive. 358 00:19:02,965 --> 00:19:04,241 Massive. 359 00:19:08,551 --> 00:19:10,931 That idea of pushing it to the ultimate, 360 00:19:11,068 --> 00:19:13,724 but in a way that the craftsmanship and the... 361 00:19:13,862 --> 00:19:16,448 and the atmosphere and the pleasure you get 362 00:19:16,586 --> 00:19:19,758 from being... and the proportion. 363 00:19:19,896 --> 00:19:22,482 Because that's what you never get from the photographs, 364 00:19:22,620 --> 00:19:24,068 when you go to France or visit the... 365 00:19:24,206 --> 00:19:27,344 The staircases are so wide and the... 366 00:19:27,482 --> 00:19:29,413 and it's so deep, you know. 367 00:19:29,551 --> 00:19:33,206 It's... No, it's quite a dream, really. 368 00:19:36,241 --> 00:19:37,724 Narrator: Pawson's admiration 369 00:19:37,862 --> 00:19:40,068 of Mies van der Rohe's minimal aesthetic 370 00:19:40,206 --> 00:19:42,103 shines through in his work. 371 00:19:42,241 --> 00:19:45,241 But small houses are one thing. 372 00:19:45,379 --> 00:19:47,896 Museum galleries, quite another. 373 00:20:05,482 --> 00:20:08,517 John Pawson has worked with exhibition spaces before. 374 00:20:08,655 --> 00:20:10,862 In Berlin in 2016, 375 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:12,793 he transformed a Second World War 376 00:20:12,931 --> 00:20:15,413 telecommunications bunker into an art museum. 377 00:20:18,758 --> 00:20:22,000 By then, he had completed London's Design Museum interior. 378 00:20:23,275 --> 00:20:25,103 His practice may not be very big, 379 00:20:25,241 --> 00:20:26,413 but it's prolific. 380 00:20:28,827 --> 00:20:30,793 He says he's not much of a sketcher, 381 00:20:30,931 --> 00:20:34,172 relies on others in his practice for computer-aided design, 382 00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:36,310 but does like making models. 383 00:20:38,724 --> 00:20:40,379 And it was a model he brought with him 384 00:20:40,517 --> 00:20:41,827 to the competition interview 385 00:20:41,965 --> 00:20:45,758 to land the job at London's Design Museum. 386 00:20:45,896 --> 00:20:47,758 When we were doing the competition, 387 00:20:47,896 --> 00:20:50,896 um, I mean, it was quite stressful. 388 00:20:51,034 --> 00:20:53,172 I mean, it was...it was an incredible field. 389 00:20:53,310 --> 00:20:55,172 And so, you know, and... 390 00:20:55,310 --> 00:20:58,586 Anyway, I remember it got down to sort of the short list 391 00:20:58,724 --> 00:21:00,724 and Catherine and I, 392 00:21:00,862 --> 00:21:04,344 she had kindly driven me with my model of the scheme. 393 00:21:05,758 --> 00:21:07,517 And...and then... 394 00:21:07,655 --> 00:21:09,275 And then there was another architect before me, 395 00:21:09,413 --> 00:21:12,034 and he had a huge van with six assistants, 396 00:21:12,172 --> 00:21:13,896 [laughs] who got out this huge... 397 00:21:14,034 --> 00:21:15,551 and I thought, "Oh, [muted]" [laughs] 398 00:21:17,206 --> 00:21:18,655 'Cause his was magnificent, 399 00:21:18,793 --> 00:21:19,965 and I thought, "Oh..." You know. 400 00:21:20,724 --> 00:21:22,793 So I... [laughs] 401 00:21:22,931 --> 00:21:24,344 Anyway. 402 00:21:24,482 --> 00:21:26,206 Interviewer: But you got it? - Yeah, I got it, which was... 403 00:21:26,344 --> 00:21:28,000 Yeah, I was...yeah. 404 00:21:28,137 --> 00:21:32,275 It was, um... It was quite a... 405 00:21:32,413 --> 00:21:34,482 You know, it was quite an investment, emotionally. 406 00:21:35,241 --> 00:21:38,241 [easy guitar music] 407 00:21:40,896 --> 00:21:43,448 - I think that why we chose John 408 00:21:43,586 --> 00:21:46,620 is that we have a powerful building with this roof. 409 00:21:46,758 --> 00:21:51,172 We have a very active, vibrant campaign of exhibitions. 410 00:21:51,310 --> 00:21:52,586 And we wanted an architect 411 00:21:52,724 --> 00:21:55,379 who could gently bring the building back to life, 412 00:21:55,517 --> 00:21:57,517 to dispel that sense of failure 413 00:21:57,655 --> 00:22:00,068 without inserting their own ego into that. 414 00:22:00,206 --> 00:22:02,793 And I think John has actually very beautifully created 415 00:22:02,931 --> 00:22:04,275 a building inside a building 416 00:22:04,413 --> 00:22:07,793 with this sense of quiet calm. 417 00:22:07,931 --> 00:22:10,000 It's a platform. It's a very welcoming space. 418 00:22:10,137 --> 00:22:13,551 I think museums have a future because they are a social space. 419 00:22:13,689 --> 00:22:15,448 They're a place in which you have a reason 420 00:22:15,586 --> 00:22:16,862 to switch off your computer 421 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,965 and go and do something with others. 422 00:22:19,103 --> 00:22:21,482 And people actually immediately understand and respond to that. 423 00:22:21,620 --> 00:22:23,517 They've arrived somewhere which is for them. 424 00:22:27,275 --> 00:22:29,448 Obviously when you... when you've got a clean slate, 425 00:22:29,586 --> 00:22:32,241 it's a different... it's a different ballgame. 426 00:22:32,379 --> 00:22:36,137 But I think half the work we do is retuning existing buildings 427 00:22:36,275 --> 00:22:37,689 and learning from them, 428 00:22:37,827 --> 00:22:39,275 and trying to do it in a sensitive way, 429 00:22:39,413 --> 00:22:40,551 but you can never... 430 00:22:40,689 --> 00:22:42,482 you can never sort of please everybody 431 00:22:42,620 --> 00:22:44,758 because of course there were people 432 00:22:44,896 --> 00:22:46,517 who loved the Commonwealth Institute as it was 433 00:22:46,655 --> 00:22:48,965 and so didn't want anything changed. 434 00:22:49,103 --> 00:22:52,724 And then there are people who realised that by saving it 435 00:22:52,862 --> 00:22:57,655 and...and retuning it for the Design Museum 436 00:22:57,793 --> 00:22:59,137 was perhaps a good thing. 437 00:23:01,241 --> 00:23:04,724 We wanted to retain this openness in that central atrium 438 00:23:04,862 --> 00:23:07,655 and we very much wanted people to have this 439 00:23:07,793 --> 00:23:09,517 amazing views of the roof. 440 00:23:09,655 --> 00:23:12,413 So that's how we kept the sort of circular route 441 00:23:12,551 --> 00:23:13,965 through the building, 442 00:23:14,103 --> 00:23:17,137 the way in which from any part of that centre 443 00:23:17,275 --> 00:23:20,551 you can see the beautiful shape of the roof, 444 00:23:20,689 --> 00:23:23,793 and actually the building reveals itself to you. 445 00:23:23,931 --> 00:23:26,827 It was a long process. 446 00:23:26,965 --> 00:23:30,000 From beginning of the project to the end, 447 00:23:30,137 --> 00:23:32,000 it took about eight years. 448 00:23:32,137 --> 00:23:35,344 We had the benefit of working with amazing architects 449 00:23:35,482 --> 00:23:39,931 who were very sensitive to this pre-existing architecture 450 00:23:40,068 --> 00:23:42,448 and who worked with us to redefine it 451 00:23:42,586 --> 00:23:44,827 for the Design Museum. 452 00:23:44,965 --> 00:23:47,965 And so what you see today behind me 453 00:23:48,103 --> 00:23:50,586 is this spectacular building, 454 00:23:50,724 --> 00:23:56,586 with this warm oak panelling that surrounds us. 455 00:23:56,724 --> 00:24:01,896 And that gives it this feeling of warmth. 456 00:24:02,034 --> 00:24:05,482 That feeling also that it's a building for you. 457 00:24:05,620 --> 00:24:10,068 A building for people to come, er, feel at ease with. 458 00:24:10,206 --> 00:24:13,793 You can mill about, sit down on the steps, 459 00:24:13,931 --> 00:24:17,000 on the benches, have a rest, be with your friends 460 00:24:17,137 --> 00:24:20,103 and take in the beautiful architecture 461 00:24:20,241 --> 00:24:21,517 and then make your decision 462 00:24:21,655 --> 00:24:24,034 as to what exhibition you're going to go and see, 463 00:24:24,172 --> 00:24:26,758 the permanent display, or attend a lecture 464 00:24:26,896 --> 00:24:28,137 if that's what you want. 465 00:24:28,275 --> 00:24:30,827 I think what we were really trying to do 466 00:24:30,965 --> 00:24:32,379 was to make a building 467 00:24:32,517 --> 00:24:35,586 that was open to the public and inviting. 468 00:24:35,724 --> 00:24:39,655 [smooth funky music] 469 00:24:39,793 --> 00:24:45,448 We were very much taking this reinvention of the building 470 00:24:45,586 --> 00:24:47,965 and of the museum as a design project, 471 00:24:48,103 --> 00:24:50,931 so we were very focused on our user. 472 00:24:51,068 --> 00:24:52,655 Who is this for? 473 00:24:52,793 --> 00:24:55,379 We wanted to be very welcoming 474 00:24:55,517 --> 00:24:58,413 and we know that for people to feel at ease, 475 00:24:58,551 --> 00:25:00,862 for people actually to enjoy an exhibition 476 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,172 or learn something, 477 00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:04,896 first, they have to feel comfortable. 478 00:25:05,034 --> 00:25:06,103 They have to feel at ease. 479 00:25:06,241 --> 00:25:08,344 If you don't give that, 480 00:25:08,482 --> 00:25:12,137 then there's no hope that you can get to the next level of, 481 00:25:12,275 --> 00:25:14,724 "OK, now I'm going to go and see the exhibition 482 00:25:14,862 --> 00:25:16,275 "and learn something." 483 00:25:16,413 --> 00:25:18,827 [smooth music continues] 484 00:25:25,758 --> 00:25:28,000 We try and tell the story of design 485 00:25:28,137 --> 00:25:30,344 to those who don't really know what design is, 486 00:25:30,482 --> 00:25:33,517 just to make the point that it's not a specialist subject, 487 00:25:33,655 --> 00:25:36,000 because design is everywhere around you. 488 00:25:36,137 --> 00:25:40,206 It's the teacup that you have your tea in the morning. 489 00:25:40,344 --> 00:25:42,517 It's the telephone that you use 490 00:25:42,655 --> 00:25:44,310 and you can't live without today. 491 00:25:44,448 --> 00:25:47,689 It's the...the cars, it's the buildings you're in. 492 00:25:47,827 --> 00:25:51,448 All of this is design, so we're presenting that story. 493 00:25:51,586 --> 00:25:53,758 And then we have gallery spaces 494 00:25:53,896 --> 00:25:56,310 where we go into more specific subjects. 495 00:25:57,931 --> 00:26:00,310 And we look at the visions of the home 496 00:26:00,448 --> 00:26:02,620 actually looking at visions from the past. 497 00:26:02,758 --> 00:26:06,965 And what the past tells us about the day in which we live today 498 00:26:07,103 --> 00:26:10,241 and how technology has completely revolutionised 499 00:26:10,379 --> 00:26:12,000 the way in which we live. 500 00:26:12,137 --> 00:26:16,068 We have in our homes smart objects 501 00:26:16,206 --> 00:26:18,344 that listen to us all the time. 502 00:26:18,482 --> 00:26:20,827 We give away a lot of our privacy. 503 00:26:20,965 --> 00:26:24,448 We live completely mediated by screens. 504 00:26:24,586 --> 00:26:29,344 Actually, all of this, designers of the '50s and '60s imagined. 505 00:26:29,482 --> 00:26:31,517 So, where do we go from now? 506 00:26:31,655 --> 00:26:33,724 From now, where spaces in our home 507 00:26:33,862 --> 00:26:36,172 seems to be shrinking and shrinking. 508 00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:38,275 What's the new challenges? 509 00:26:39,931 --> 00:26:41,241 Narrator: It's impossible to cover 510 00:26:41,379 --> 00:26:44,275 every innovation in design in a building of this size, 511 00:26:44,413 --> 00:26:46,689 so the curators and John Pawson 512 00:26:46,827 --> 00:26:49,000 have had to make difficult choices. 513 00:26:49,896 --> 00:26:51,482 But underpinning all this 514 00:26:51,620 --> 00:26:53,827 is the philosophy of Terence Conran, 515 00:26:53,965 --> 00:26:56,655 who is credited with getting Britain thinking about design 516 00:26:56,793 --> 00:26:59,241 and who has always had a clear idea 517 00:26:59,379 --> 00:27:02,793 of what constitutes good design. 518 00:27:05,068 --> 00:27:06,413 ♪ Setting the trends ♪ 519 00:27:06,551 --> 00:27:07,620 ♪ Making friends ♪ 520 00:27:07,758 --> 00:27:09,931 ♪ Each day ends like the last... ♪ 521 00:27:11,137 --> 00:27:13,137 - We all accept as designers 522 00:27:13,275 --> 00:27:14,862 that style is important 523 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,034 for bringing the goods to the marketplace 524 00:27:18,172 --> 00:27:21,655 and making them fashionable and, you know, of the moment. 525 00:27:22,689 --> 00:27:25,344 But we slightly sneer at it, 526 00:27:25,482 --> 00:27:27,862 something that is, you know, an object 527 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,827 and then an arbitrary styling is slapped all over it, 528 00:27:32,965 --> 00:27:35,103 to me is rather fake. 529 00:27:35,241 --> 00:27:37,206 British style or British character. 530 00:27:37,344 --> 00:27:39,586 Straightforward. Don't mess it around. 531 00:27:39,724 --> 00:27:41,931 Show it as it is. 532 00:27:42,068 --> 00:27:43,620 ♪ Setting the trends ♪ 533 00:27:43,758 --> 00:27:44,965 ♪ Making friends ♪ 534 00:27:45,103 --> 00:27:46,931 ♪ Each day ends like the last ♪ 535 00:27:47,068 --> 00:27:48,379 ♪ Hitting the heights ♪ 536 00:27:48,517 --> 00:27:49,724 ♪ The bright lights ♪ 537 00:27:49,862 --> 00:27:52,172 ♪ Getting faster ♪ 538 00:27:53,137 --> 00:27:54,586 ♪ Living for kicks ♪ 539 00:27:54,724 --> 00:27:56,965 ♪ Gotta mix with the chicks ♪ 540 00:27:57,103 --> 00:27:58,241 ♪ It's a bore ♪ 541 00:27:58,379 --> 00:27:59,448 ♪ Men in the air ♪ 542 00:27:59,586 --> 00:28:01,482 ♪ We don't care... ♪ 543 00:28:01,620 --> 00:28:04,034 - And I'll always remember when we opened Habitat, 544 00:28:04,172 --> 00:28:06,586 which I did because as a furniture maker, 545 00:28:06,724 --> 00:28:10,724 I was very frustrated about the fact that I couldn't get 546 00:28:10,862 --> 00:28:13,137 any public distribution for my furniture. 547 00:28:13,275 --> 00:28:15,379 So I thought, "Well, I'll open a shop 548 00:28:15,517 --> 00:28:19,275 "to show that there really is a demand for it." 549 00:28:20,275 --> 00:28:22,103 We wanted to sell to you 550 00:28:22,241 --> 00:28:25,793 because we knew that if we put it in front of you, 551 00:28:25,931 --> 00:28:28,482 then you might say, "Oh, I really like that 552 00:28:28,620 --> 00:28:29,896 "and I can afford it." 553 00:28:30,034 --> 00:28:32,655 But if we went through a buyer in a department store, 554 00:28:32,793 --> 00:28:34,896 they, "Oh, no," you know, never like that. 555 00:28:35,034 --> 00:28:38,965 "No, no, no, no." And so we opened our own shop. 556 00:28:39,103 --> 00:28:42,413 All the other retailers from Glasgow and Manchester 557 00:28:42,551 --> 00:28:44,172 and Liverpool and so forth 558 00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:45,517 came to have a look 559 00:28:45,655 --> 00:28:49,586 and they said, "It's alright in swinging London. 560 00:28:49,724 --> 00:28:52,551 "It'll never go in Manchester area." 561 00:28:52,689 --> 00:28:56,344 And I suppose something in that sort of... 562 00:28:56,482 --> 00:28:58,551 you know, cynicism 563 00:28:58,689 --> 00:29:01,310 made me think, "Well, we'll bloody well show them 564 00:29:01,448 --> 00:29:02,862 "and take it up there." 565 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,034 And of course, you know, what they hadn't recognised 566 00:29:06,172 --> 00:29:10,275 was the...was this big change in the UK. 567 00:29:10,413 --> 00:29:11,931 People beginning to travel, 568 00:29:12,068 --> 00:29:14,551 go round the world, see other things. 569 00:29:15,931 --> 00:29:18,655 And they wanted a different sort of life. 570 00:29:18,793 --> 00:29:20,241 - Britain's one of the first countries 571 00:29:20,379 --> 00:29:21,862 which built an industrial economy 572 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,896 on the fact that it was fascinated by 573 00:29:24,034 --> 00:29:25,965 how we use design to make technology work 574 00:29:26,103 --> 00:29:27,482 in ways that work for people. 575 00:29:27,620 --> 00:29:29,275 And that's something that was around at the time 576 00:29:29,413 --> 00:29:31,275 of the Great Exhibition of 1851. 577 00:29:31,413 --> 00:29:34,172 It's what was going on when William Morris 578 00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:36,448 set up Morris & Company. 579 00:29:36,586 --> 00:29:39,103 It's what was actually behind the starting of 580 00:29:39,241 --> 00:29:40,827 the Royal College of Art not so far down the road. 581 00:29:40,965 --> 00:29:43,896 And Britain has actually been really good at these things. 582 00:29:44,034 --> 00:29:46,172 I mean, Terence, as many pioneers are, 583 00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:49,793 feels sometimes that, um, his efforts fall on 584 00:29:49,931 --> 00:29:51,965 sometimes resistant ground. 585 00:29:52,103 --> 00:29:55,551 But I think Britain is actually an extraordinarily fertile place 586 00:29:55,689 --> 00:29:58,068 for design. We can't rest on our laurels. 587 00:29:58,206 --> 00:30:00,103 And I think one of the reasons to open a museum 588 00:30:00,241 --> 00:30:02,000 is to actually inject that. 589 00:30:02,137 --> 00:30:04,172 We inject that sense of, 590 00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:05,793 "Britain is at the centre of these things." 591 00:30:05,931 --> 00:30:07,862 I wouldn't say this is a museum of British design. 592 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,827 I think this... It's hard to say what British design is. 593 00:30:10,965 --> 00:30:13,586 I think one actually talks more about designed in Britain, 594 00:30:13,724 --> 00:30:15,689 because this is a city... this is a country 595 00:30:15,827 --> 00:30:17,931 which welcomes people from around the world. 596 00:30:18,068 --> 00:30:19,689 Great designers come to learn here 597 00:30:19,827 --> 00:30:21,931 and they stay here and that actually adds 598 00:30:22,068 --> 00:30:23,793 to the richness of the community 599 00:30:23,931 --> 00:30:26,103 that there is in that world here. 600 00:30:26,241 --> 00:30:27,379 Narrator: For Sir Terence, 601 00:30:27,517 --> 00:30:29,413 the old Commonwealth Institute in Kensington 602 00:30:29,551 --> 00:30:31,034 is a dream come true. 603 00:30:32,448 --> 00:30:35,172 The old Design Museum at Shad Thames was popular, 604 00:30:35,310 --> 00:30:37,758 but visitor numbers at the new Design Museum 605 00:30:37,896 --> 00:30:39,586 are in a different league. 606 00:30:42,137 --> 00:30:43,689 I've always thought that design 607 00:30:43,827 --> 00:30:45,758 is too interesting and too complicated 608 00:30:45,896 --> 00:30:48,413 just to leave to people who wear Japanese suits 609 00:30:48,551 --> 00:30:49,655 and have complicated haircuts, 610 00:30:49,793 --> 00:30:52,034 so I've always felt that this stuff matters, 611 00:30:52,172 --> 00:30:55,137 and it's a way really to understand the world around us. 612 00:30:55,275 --> 00:30:56,689 It's not just what things do, 613 00:30:56,827 --> 00:30:58,965 but it's what they mean and how they're made 614 00:30:59,103 --> 00:31:01,103 and what they mean to people that we're looking at here. 615 00:31:03,137 --> 00:31:07,310 - Where we are is a museum of contemporary design. 616 00:31:07,448 --> 00:31:10,275 We talk about what design does and is, 617 00:31:10,413 --> 00:31:13,034 but really how relevant it is to our lives today, 618 00:31:13,172 --> 00:31:16,827 and how it's going to shape our future. 619 00:31:16,965 --> 00:31:20,068 And the buildings that we build create our cities, 620 00:31:20,206 --> 00:31:22,827 and these are the cities that we experience. 621 00:31:22,965 --> 00:31:26,241 So if we build efficient building, 622 00:31:26,379 --> 00:31:29,517 then we're going to live a better life. 623 00:31:29,655 --> 00:31:32,310 If we build efficient transport system, 624 00:31:32,448 --> 00:31:35,965 then we're going to take care of our environment and resources. 625 00:31:36,103 --> 00:31:38,000 Conversely, if we don't... 626 00:31:38,137 --> 00:31:42,137 Well, we're facing some difficult choices very soon. 627 00:31:43,896 --> 00:31:46,448 Narrator: The efforts of Deyan Sudjic, Alice Black 628 00:31:46,586 --> 00:31:48,724 and their teams have paid off. 629 00:31:49,620 --> 00:31:51,413 The new Design Museum won 630 00:31:51,551 --> 00:31:55,517 the European Museum of the Year Award in 2018. 631 00:32:13,655 --> 00:32:16,620 [stirring orchestral music] 632 00:32:20,931 --> 00:32:22,172 So, here we are, 633 00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:24,965 two years after the opening of The Design Museum 634 00:32:25,103 --> 00:32:26,862 and there's an opportunity for those 635 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,827 who've lived and breathed this project for over 10 years 636 00:32:29,965 --> 00:32:33,827 to reflect how visitors have used, and reacted to, 637 00:32:33,965 --> 00:32:36,310 John Pawson's interior spaces. 638 00:32:42,482 --> 00:32:44,931 For me, what John does 639 00:32:45,068 --> 00:32:47,551 is he works incredibly hard 640 00:32:47,689 --> 00:32:50,758 to let the architecture blend in 641 00:32:50,896 --> 00:32:52,896 and you don't even notice 642 00:32:53,034 --> 00:32:55,827 all the quality, the research, 643 00:32:55,965 --> 00:32:59,344 the focus that has gone into creating the environment. 644 00:32:59,482 --> 00:33:03,310 But bit by bit, you'll notice those magical moments. 645 00:33:07,275 --> 00:33:09,965 For example, we have a main atrium 646 00:33:10,103 --> 00:33:12,034 which is right here behind me. 647 00:33:12,172 --> 00:33:14,206 But a little bit further out in the corner, 648 00:33:14,344 --> 00:33:18,793 there's a smaller atrium, and you just happen upon it. 649 00:33:18,931 --> 00:33:22,379 Now, this is a new atrium that John created 650 00:33:22,517 --> 00:33:25,758 because he wanted to evidence the massive buttress 651 00:33:25,896 --> 00:33:28,172 that goes through the floor 652 00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:31,827 and connects to the roof above and supports it. 653 00:33:39,689 --> 00:33:41,689 It's like you move in a little city 654 00:33:41,827 --> 00:33:43,517 and you happen upon a piazza. 655 00:33:43,655 --> 00:33:46,931 It's...it's just a wonderful discovery. 656 00:33:50,827 --> 00:33:53,206 The use of light under the balustrades, 657 00:33:53,344 --> 00:33:54,827 that really, you know, 658 00:33:54,965 --> 00:33:58,482 guides visitor around the building. 659 00:34:02,137 --> 00:34:04,103 This is a concrete building. 660 00:34:04,241 --> 00:34:06,689 It's a pretty harsh structure. 661 00:34:06,827 --> 00:34:09,068 So bringing wood into that building 662 00:34:09,206 --> 00:34:13,724 softens that harshness of the concrete. 663 00:34:13,862 --> 00:34:16,379 And, you know, the wood panelling all around 664 00:34:16,517 --> 00:34:19,000 has got tiny little dots in it. 665 00:34:19,137 --> 00:34:22,724 And this is to make it sound absorbing. 666 00:34:22,862 --> 00:34:24,931 So the acoustics is amazing. 667 00:34:25,068 --> 00:34:28,758 That means that we've had concerts in this building. 668 00:34:28,896 --> 00:34:30,206 We've had performances. 669 00:34:30,344 --> 00:34:32,724 And the stamina's just amazing. 670 00:34:36,896 --> 00:34:38,931 People like to walk around 671 00:34:39,068 --> 00:34:41,310 because from everywhere around this atrium, 672 00:34:41,448 --> 00:34:44,620 you can spot and spy what others are doing, 673 00:34:44,758 --> 00:34:46,068 and that's a lovely feeling. 674 00:34:46,206 --> 00:34:48,034 So when we have events here, 675 00:34:48,172 --> 00:34:50,655 it's such an amazing location, 676 00:34:50,793 --> 00:34:52,344 because you can people watch 677 00:34:52,482 --> 00:34:54,344 and you have a beautiful view 678 00:34:54,482 --> 00:34:56,241 into what's happening in the centre. 679 00:35:00,620 --> 00:35:01,896 Narrator: For Deyan Sudjic, 680 00:35:02,034 --> 00:35:03,517 the creation of the Design Museum 681 00:35:03,655 --> 00:35:04,793 is a personal achievement 682 00:35:04,931 --> 00:35:07,172 that's brought so many strands together, 683 00:35:07,310 --> 00:35:10,724 his desire to give the museum a wider audience, 684 00:35:10,862 --> 00:35:12,793 his admiration for John Pawson, 685 00:35:12,931 --> 00:35:14,551 he wrote a book about him once, 686 00:35:14,689 --> 00:35:17,655 and his personal quest to explain design. 687 00:35:18,862 --> 00:35:20,241 Not to mention the opportunity 688 00:35:20,379 --> 00:35:22,517 to be involved in the art of architecture, 689 00:35:22,655 --> 00:35:24,275 because, as a youngster, 690 00:35:24,413 --> 00:35:27,034 he himself wanted to be an architect. 691 00:35:29,689 --> 00:35:31,827 I was too...I was too impatient and too incompetent 692 00:35:31,965 --> 00:35:33,103 to be an architect, 693 00:35:33,241 --> 00:35:34,448 which is why I became a journalist, 694 00:35:34,586 --> 00:35:37,068 which gives you the sense of instant gratification 695 00:35:37,206 --> 00:35:40,344 of seeing something in print or on the radio, on television. 696 00:35:40,482 --> 00:35:42,206 But over the years, I've been very fortunate 697 00:35:42,344 --> 00:35:44,965 to understand that journalism is essentially 698 00:35:45,103 --> 00:35:46,724 a very selfish activity 699 00:35:46,862 --> 00:35:48,517 where other people are getting in the way 700 00:35:48,655 --> 00:35:50,344 of your chance to express yourself. 701 00:35:58,206 --> 00:35:59,965 The museum and the things I've done previously 702 00:36:00,103 --> 00:36:02,896 are about creating a place in which many people 703 00:36:03,034 --> 00:36:05,965 can find ways to do good things. 704 00:36:08,931 --> 00:36:11,448 Doing this building has been the most fun I've ever had. 705 00:36:14,344 --> 00:36:16,482 Narrator: So, for Deyan Sudjic, there's a reason 706 00:36:16,620 --> 00:36:19,655 to celebrate architecture in the new Design Museum. 707 00:36:21,103 --> 00:36:23,896 And in its first years, one of the main exhibitions 708 00:36:24,034 --> 00:36:26,827 is of the work of the architect Sir David Adjaye, 709 00:36:26,965 --> 00:36:28,206 whose National Museum 710 00:36:28,344 --> 00:36:30,793 of African-American History and Culture in Washington 711 00:36:30,931 --> 00:36:32,517 has won plaudits. 712 00:36:40,793 --> 00:36:43,275 And, in this refined space, 713 00:36:43,413 --> 00:36:46,172 what can we say about John Pawson? 714 00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:49,275 That he's the exact opposite of the 'starchitect'. 715 00:36:49,413 --> 00:36:51,000 That modesty and simplicity, 716 00:36:51,137 --> 00:36:53,206 or 'serenity', as he likes to call it, 717 00:36:53,344 --> 00:36:55,000 have informed his career. 718 00:36:57,586 --> 00:36:59,172 That the Design Museum re-modelling 719 00:36:59,310 --> 00:37:03,206 comes at a point in his life where he's taking stock, 720 00:37:03,344 --> 00:37:05,241 and when his contribution to the life of the nation 721 00:37:05,379 --> 00:37:08,172 is recognised in the Queen's New Year's Honours. 722 00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:10,206 He's been made a CBE. 723 00:37:11,965 --> 00:37:15,241 Next stop, an investiture at Buckingham Palace. 724 00:37:18,827 --> 00:37:21,862 Good thing the idea of becoming a Zen Buddhist monk 725 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,275 didn't work out. 726 00:37:25,172 --> 00:37:26,758 - I'm 70. 727 00:37:28,034 --> 00:37:29,034 And...you know, you... 728 00:37:29,172 --> 00:37:32,068 I suppose it's some sort of wake-up, 729 00:37:32,206 --> 00:37:36,000 and...and...of course I don't think I've changed. 730 00:37:36,137 --> 00:37:40,137 You know, I think I'm, you know, 30 looking out. 731 00:37:40,275 --> 00:37:43,241 It's only when you catch sight, you know, in the reflection 732 00:37:43,379 --> 00:37:45,034 or...or you then... 733 00:37:45,172 --> 00:37:47,448 But I've... I have noticed recently 734 00:37:47,586 --> 00:37:49,620 that people, you know, being a bit... 735 00:37:49,758 --> 00:37:51,000 There's a bit more deference. 736 00:37:52,862 --> 00:37:54,344 Which is really worrying, 737 00:37:54,482 --> 00:37:56,379 'cause it means obviously... [laughs] 738 00:37:56,517 --> 00:37:58,620 you're established or something, 739 00:37:58,758 --> 00:38:01,000 but there is a body of work, which is... 740 00:38:02,034 --> 00:38:03,551 So I guess... 741 00:38:03,689 --> 00:38:07,000 I mean, I've never been one for thinking about legacy 742 00:38:07,137 --> 00:38:08,724 or any of those other things, 743 00:38:08,862 --> 00:38:13,517 but there is a body of work, which, you know, is a broad span 744 00:38:13,655 --> 00:38:16,586 and...and, um... 745 00:38:17,586 --> 00:38:19,689 Yeah. I mean, it's... 746 00:38:19,827 --> 00:38:23,413 It's, you know, it's other buggers' efforts. 747 00:38:23,551 --> 00:38:27,827 But I'm happy to be the focus. [laughs] 748 00:39:52,862 --> 00:39:54,517 Narrator: Next time... 749 00:39:54,655 --> 00:39:57,931 We become accustomed to steel and glass. 750 00:39:58,068 --> 00:40:01,413 But one man continues to draw, design and build 751 00:40:01,551 --> 00:40:03,827 with older methods of materials, 752 00:40:03,965 --> 00:40:05,517 in the classical style. 753 00:40:06,206 --> 00:40:07,379 John Simpson, 754 00:40:07,517 --> 00:40:09,413 a favourite architect of the Prince of Wales, 755 00:40:09,551 --> 00:40:13,172 follows in the footsteps of Palladio, Nash and Adam, 756 00:40:13,310 --> 00:40:15,551 to give the world a new classicism, 757 00:40:15,689 --> 00:40:17,965 which connects the future with the past. 758 00:40:18,758 --> 00:40:19,896 - What needed to happen 759 00:40:20,034 --> 00:40:21,965 was actually to update the tradition 760 00:40:22,103 --> 00:40:24,448 and bring it into the 21st century. 761 00:40:25,413 --> 00:40:26,896 It's not just meet the needs, 762 00:40:27,034 --> 00:40:29,068 but actually take society forward. 763 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,000 Narrator: And now, 764 00:40:34,137 --> 00:40:36,344 after years of designing for others, 765 00:40:36,482 --> 00:40:39,517 John Simpson has made a house for himself. 766 00:40:39,655 --> 00:40:41,896 But it's not what you might expect. 767 00:40:42,034 --> 00:40:44,586 - It's purely a matter of making the whole thing work, 768 00:40:44,724 --> 00:40:50,000 and finding ways of weaving things and stories into it, 769 00:40:50,137 --> 00:40:51,793 and giving it a sort of much more... 770 00:40:51,931 --> 00:40:53,413 Well, having fun, essentially. 771 00:40:53,551 --> 00:40:56,551 Captioned by Ai-Media ai-media.tv 59948

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