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- [Gene Cernan] I put the binocu

and I can see it spinning around

and I wouldn't bet my life on it being the S4B,

but it sure has gotta be something like it.

- [Reporter] That was Gene Cernan reporting that sighting.

Orbit

- We were that first crew that was going to get a chance

to fly this vehicle and test thi

that was going to take human beings to the Moon.

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- [Narrator] Mankind makes one g

and lands the first man on the M

a historic achievement for the h

But that giant leap took many lunges, trips and falls

in order for our astronauts to actually achieve this moment.

And along the way, many space researchers have speculated

that our astronauts may have see

and anomalous structures on the surface of the Moon.

- You know, we have a,

it's a very interesting little document from 1950,

there was a Canadian government

named Wilbert Smith,

and he was very interested in these flying saucers.

Wilbert Smith was a real smart g

He was an engineer, he was a sci

and he had a kind of a mid-upper level position

in the Canadian bureaucracy

and he was able to go down to Washington DC

in September, 1950 to the Canadian Embassy there.

And while he was hanging around DC he goes and talks

to some American scientists and one in particular.

And this was a scientist who was very well plugged in,

and this man, man whose name was Robert Sarbacher,

we learned many years later.

It was very, very powerful.

Sarbacher says, yes, flying sauces do exist.

I can confirm that for you.

Their modus operandi is unknown,

but the United States government

this the most classified subject

of all two levels higher than the hydrogen bomb,

which in 1950 was about as big as you could get,

but flying saucers were higher t

So Smith types up this memo for his supervisors

in the Canadian government, and, uh, that's that.

But actually, that wasn't that,

because years after he died,

his private papers were analyzed

and the exact name of that scientist was written there.

And that scientist, Robert Sarbacher was still alive

and researchers found him.

Sarbacher confirmed the whole thing.

He said, "Yeah, that actually did happen."

So anyway, my point simply is,

you've got very clear knowledge among the highest

circles in Washington back in 1950, for example.

And in the military back in 1950 that, yes,

absolutely UFOs were the most sensitive subject out there.

Now, ask yourself, why would that be.

You know, why would that be the most sensitive subject

if it was all nonsense and hallucinations

and hoaxes and things like this? You know?

Well, obviously it's a lot more than that.

And when you go through the declassified literature

such that we have, there's still a lot we don't have,

but we have enough to show very, very clearly

you had countless violations of sensitive aerospace

by objects that did not look normal, that were not,

that were doing things that were not supposed to be possible

over places that you were never supposed to go.

Alright, whether that means over Los Alamos, you know,

where the scientists developed the atomic bomb

or the Hanford Nuclear Plant in the state of Washington,

which was a major plutonium processing facility,

a lot of toxic waste there to this day.

Or over the Oak Ridge, uh, nuclear facility in Tennessee

where again, a great deal of science

on the atomic bomb was developed.

All of these very sensitive places,

you don't just go hang out over them,

but UFOs were hanging out over them

and, you know, jets would be sent to intercept.

In one case, we know of

anti-aircraft battalions were alerted.

You know, [laughs]

Can you imagine if the public knew about this at the time?

They didn't, they didn't find out

until years and years later

after these documents were declassified.

By then, they were just sunk

into the black hole of the public memory

and, you know, no one really seemed to care.

But back in 1950, if these incidents had become known,

I think people would've cared quite a bit.

Uh, they were very important.

My point here simply is this,

the subject of UFOs has always been considered

to be of the highest level of security classification

that we know of.

And so now, if you've got NASA

engaged in any capacity with the United States military

on any type of classified mission that it engages in,

there is no way ever

that they're just gonna tell the world,

oh look, there are all these UFOs, people.

How cool is that?

Now, that will never happen.

That will never happen until the laws change

and those laws haven't changed.

This subject still remains highly classified

even well into the 21st century.

It is...

You know, we can talk a little bit more about it now

than say a few years ago.

That's interesting and that's true,

but there's... you know, there's still a red line

and thou shall not go over that red line.

- It was one of these clear, clear days

and that's why I was up,

because you could see to infiniti,

and it was an ideal day for aerial photography.

And it appeared silver with a shadow underneath

There's always metallic.

And it was moving at a rate of speed,

I would say 150 miles an hour plus or minus.

And appeared to be maybe 20 meters across.

- [Speaker] We decided to analyze the Catalina film.

- And there seems to be some holes

or some kind of transparency underneath here.

One takes a good look at this

and considering that the speed of the object

as reported by Lee Hansen, the photographer,

is that this is moving at about 120 miles an hour.

This begins to look like a small commercial airplane,

and one can draw the comparison

that you have the bright wing on the top,

the windows and the flyer, the rudder structure,

and that's it.

The Catalina film, I'm afraid,

falls into the category of an identified flying airplane.

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- [Narrator] The Lunar Orbiter missions

were initiated in early 1964

and consisted of five identical unmanned spacecraft

to investigate the surface of the Moon.

The main purpose of the program was to locate

smooth level areas on the Moon's near side

to confirm the areas as suitable for manned landing sites

for the Apollo program.

Other program objectives were to collect data

on the Moon's gravitational field

to provide precision trajectory information

and study radiation and micrometeoroid flux

in the vicinity of the Moon.

The Orbiter took pictures of the Moon's surface,

more than 90% of the pictures taken

were transmitted successfully,

including the historic Earth rise,

taken from the Moon on August 23rd, 1966.

The Orbiter also obtained environmental data

during all periods of visibility

Some photographs were not transmitted.

However, when the transmitting equipment failed

during the readout operation,

only a small number of pictures were lost

and other data collection was not affected.

Lunar Orbiter 2 made significant additions

to the techniques and data required to land on the Moon.

Mission 3 differed from the previous two missions

in that it was a site-confirmation mission

rather than a site-selection mission.

Despite some operational problems during the mission,

Orbiter 4 was highly successful

in fulfilling its purpose.

The photographs obtained, provided information and detail

at least 10 times better than Earth-based observations.

The photography captured during Mission 5

was an incredible improvement in resolution from Mission 4.

This allowed NASA to gain better insight

into sites of interest on the near side of the Moon.

The far side photography provided coverage

of essentially all areas not cov

during the preceding four missions.

In the early two thousands, a former Air Force technician

specializing in photographic printer repair,

made a shocking statement to the public about his experience

while working for the NSA during the 1960s.

- I said, who's, what do you mean who's.

He said, yes, there's, we've discovered

a base on the backside of the Moon.

And at that point I became frightened.

- [Narrator] Another now famous unidentified lunar object

was spotted by the Lunar Orbiter 3 in February of 1967,

a total of 149 medium resolution

and 477 high resolution frames

were returned from this mission.

And in one composite image,

an object known as The Shard can be seen.

This object was supposedly located between the Bruce Crater

and the Sinus midi mare plain area of the Moon.

NASA has never acknowledged this phenomenon.

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- And then he pulled out one of these mosaics

and showed this base which had geometric shapes.

There were towers, there were spherical buildings.

There were very tall towers and things

that looked somewhat like radar dishes,

but they were large structures.

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So it was rare that someone would do something like this,

but this fellow and I were the same rank.

I think he was very distressed.

He had the same power and demeanor

as the scientists outside the room.

They were just as concerned as he was

and he needed to discuss it with somebody.

So, that was the end of it right there.

I didn't take it any further than that.

I just filed it away.

But the interesting thing, every day that I went home,

I would think to myself,

I can't wait to hear about this on the news.

So I'd turn on the TV and I'd look at the news

to see if they're gonna announce we've discovered a base

on the back side of the Moon being really naive.

And of course, here it is 30 some years later,

and we still haven't heard about it.

- Researcher and filmmaker, James Fox,

started his journey into UFOs

through Apollo astronaut testimony.

- Basically, out of this whole UFO phenomenon,

when did you become interested in the idea

that NASA astronauts have seen UFOs in space

and that possibly had been covered up?

- I never did, until I wasn't like

actively looking for UFOs in space, NASA.

I watched an interview in the early nineties

with Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell,

sixth man to walk the Moon.

And he talked about UFOs very openly, and I thought,

here's a man who's got everything to lose

and nothing to gain by what he's doing.

- [Reporter] It's the sort of disclosure UFO investigators

are demanding from the US government.

How would people react?

- That would be kind of good it's about time.

- [Reporter] Former astronaut, Edgar Mitchell,

is the sixth man to walk on the Moon

and a firm believer that aliens

have visited our planet repeatedly.

So I had to ask,

why are they coming in these little glancing visits

and we haven't had a more meaningful dialogue

or contact or attempt to communicate with these people?

- Well, I think we have.

- [Reporter] Really?

- I think we have, but it is not common knowledge.

- [Reporter] Mitchell told me after

he returned from the Moon,

he was briefed at the Pentagon by a high ranking officer,

whose name he would not reveal,

who said the US government does have evidence

of alien spacecraft and is keeping it a secret.

- Well, I think the real reason

it is still a secret is power and control,

controlling whatever technology exists.

- [Reporter] All of this is fascinating stuff,

if it is true.

- I mean, I've talked to government insiders

and intelligence folks

and they kinda laugh at it,

but obviously, they have secret craft

that we don't know about, that's obvious.

But whether they have successfully reversed engineered

what they've recovered in Roswell,

that's something that I have not seen the evidence for.

I'm not saying definitively that it didn't happen,

that they weren't successfully reverse engineered.

I have seen zero evidence of it.

That's just me and people can disagree

all they want and that's fine.

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- [Narrator] The Apollo missions began in an irregular way

compared to the previous man capsule missions.

This turned out disastrous

for the first Apollo 1 test pilots.

Apollo 2 and 3, which were unmanned,

were called AS-202 and AS-203 respectively,

in which the newly designed Apollo capsule

was married to the Saturn 1B rocket vehicle system.

July 5th, 1966, an unmanned flight

of the Saturn 1B rocket,

it carried no command and service module

as its purpose was to verify the design

of the S4B rocket stage restart capability.

This would later be used in the Apollo program

to boost astronauts from Earth orbit

on a trajectory to the Moon.

It achieved its goals,

but the stage was inadvertently destroyed after four orbits.

Launched unmanned on August 25th, 1966

by a Saturn 1B vector and suborbital flight,

this flight was used to perform tests

on the command and service module,

which was later recovered destined

to perform a man landing on the Moon.

On January 27th, 1967 at Launchpad 34

at the Kennedy Space Center,

astronauts Grissom, White and Chaffee

were sealed inside of their spacecraft for a plugs out test.

The spacecraft was pressurized with pure oxygen.

Numerous communication problems

were encountered during the test

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- [Narrator] Suddenly a spark occurred

in the wiring of the spacecraft

somewhere below Grissom's feet.

In the pure oxygen atmosphere, the fire

flashed through the spacecraft consuming anything flammable.

The crews struggled to open the hatch of the command module.

It was a complex task that required too much time.

Before they could open the hatch,

the fumes given off from the fire asphyxiated them.

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- [Gus Grissom] Fire!

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- One thing to take note of about the Apollo 1 mission

is that many of the astronauts were very nervous

about this Apollo spacecraft and its rapid buildup.

Concurrently with the Gemini mission still being finished.

Many of the astronauts were being

swapped over to the Apollo mission

and this rapid buildup looked like

it was going to cause malfunctions

and errors to that spacecraft.

Walter Schirra, he actually commented to Gus Grissom,

one of the pilots of the early Gemini project

that had been swapped over to Apollo 1,

that something didn't ring right

about the Apollo 1 spacecraft

and that if he saw any signs of trouble

that he should get out quickly.

- [Narrator] After this disastrous fire

during the Apollo 1 test,

NASA decided to run many successive test flights

that were unmanned.

Mike Bara famously co-authored the book

"Dark Mission: The Secret History of NASA"

in which he speculates with photo evidence

that NASA has been covering up anomalies on the Moon.

- The other possibility is that

we have had far more advanced technology

than we will acknowledge for the last 60, 70 years.

And it's some of our guys having a little fun

with the spam in a can.

Dudes that are stuck in the Apollo program.

That's what Gus Grissom once referred to Apollo as

is we're spam in a can, he was overheard to say,

and they've been to the Moon already,

they've been to Mars already.

They got technology we can't even dream of here

and they're sticking us up here in these rickety old rockets

and risking our lives.

And of course, he ended up losing his life

and a lot of people have a lot of suspicions about that,

that he was such a vocal advocate for the fact

that they had better technology than they were using

to go to the Moon

and it really made him angry

and could have made him a target.

- [Narrator] November 9th, 1967 was the day

in which the Saturn 5 launch vehicle was first tested.

This was the rocket that would send astronauts to the Moon.

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On April 4th, 1968, this unmanned flight

tested the Saturn 5's ability to perform

a trans lunar injection using 80% of the payload,

which the later manned mission would perform again.

Unfortunately, the phenomenon known as the Pogo Effect

damaged the two Rocketdyne engines on the second stage

when the internal fuel lines ruptured.

The Rocketdyne J2 engine on the S4B third stage

also failed to restart trans lunar injection.

So the correct trans lunar velocity could not be achieved.

Nevertheless, NASA considered the Saturn 5

ready to receive its first crew.

October 11th, 1968, Apollo 7

was the first manned space flight of the Apollo program.

Donn Eisele, Commander Walter M. Schirra

and Walter Cunningham's crew spend almost 11 days in space

testing a command module spacecraft

designed to orbit the Earth

and safely bring humans to the Moon and back again.

The mission objective was to demonstrate crew performance

with the command service module.

- [Reporter] Apollo 7 was also a go

for an exhaustive series of tests

of its worthiness in space.

One of the first things which had to be learned

was whether the astronauts could control the spacecraft

combined with the S4B Saturn stage.

A very similar thing would have to be done

during the early phases of a lunar mission.

The answer was not long in coming.

- [Astronaut] S4B test complete.

- [Astronaut] Beautiful.

- [Astronaut] It was outstanding

- [Astronaut] Real, fine and ups

- [Reporter] Next, the spacecraft

and S4B stage were separated.

The question now was whether the astronauts

could turn their spacecraft around

and control it to the degree required

for future physical linkups with equipment in space.

For this too would have to be done in the lunar flight.

And again, the answer was yes.

- [Astronaut] A little flight is like Germany.

- [Reporter] Something that will not be seen

in the lunar flight or in any other

forthcoming Apollo mission

were the panels at the top of the S4B stage.

They will simply be jettisoned in the future.

But they drew comment in Apollo 7.

- [Astronaut] And the slot panel

at the top left and bottom opened.

And I would about a 45 degree angle

and the slot panel on the right,

just opened though maybe 30 degrees at the very best.

- [Control] All right, Roger.

looks like you're looking at a four jawed angry alligator.

- [Narrator] During this mission, multiple tests

for the Saturn rocket system

and the astronaut crew interactions were successful.

This was the first mission to use the Apollo flight suit

and to successfully complete

a live video transmission from space.

- [Reporter] Always before we've had

to be content with merely listening

to our astronauts during their flights.

In Apollo 7, through the medium of television,

we could actually see them in space for the first time

and become better acquainted

with weightless life aboard a spacecraft.

- [Astronaut] You're picking up,

I can read now just a minute.

It says...

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- [Narrator] December 21st, 1968,

Apollo 8 was the second crude mission of the Apollo program

and the first mission to bring humans to the Moon's orbit.

They were the first humans to leave low Earth orbit.

The first to see the entire Earth,

the first to see the dark side of the Moon

and the first to see the sunrise of the Earth from the Moon.

- [Controller] T Minus 15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9.

So we have ignition sequence five,

the engines are on 4, 3, 2, 1, 0.

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I have commit, we have liftoff.

Lift off at 7:51 am Eastern Standard Time.

- [Narrator] Apollo 8 took three days to reach the Moon.

It orbited 10 times over 20 hours.

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- [Astronaut] This transmission is coming to you

approximately halfway between the Moon and the Earth.

We've been 31 hours, about 20 minutes into the flight.

We have about less than 40 hours left to go to the Moon.

- [Narrator] So Apollo 8 glided on silently

farther from Earth than man had ever before been.

A microscopic dot of life in the cosmic void.

- [Astronaut] Face of the waters.

And God said, let there be light.

- [Narrator] The crew also made

a televised Christmas Eve broadcast

in which they read the first 10 verses

of the book of Genesis.

This broadcast was the most watched in history at the time.

- [Astronaut] So the evening and the morning

was the first day and God said.

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- [Narrator] The choice to spend Christmas Eve

in lunar orbit was made because that was the time

of optimal lighting conditions for surveying

the Apollo landing site 1.

During the mission, astronauts

took photos of the Earth from the Moon,

including the second Earth rise picture,

which was higher quality than the Earth rise

taken previously by the Lunar Orbiter.

- [Controller] Apollo 8, Houston,

what does the old Moon look like from 60 miles over?

- [Astronaut] Okay, Houston, the Moon is essentially gray.

No color, looks like plaster of

Or sort of a grayish beach sand,

because he planted a bit of detail.

The craters are all round and off.

There's quite a few of them,

some are newer.

Many of 'em look like, especially the round ones,

look like hit by meteorites or projectiles of some sort.

- [Controller] A level we have a picture.

We see the Earth right in the center of the screen over.

- [Narrator] During these TV transmissions,

the astronauts also provided a verbal commentary

to accompany the footage being broadcast.

Contrary to popular belief, these broadcasts

were not extemporaneous or improvised performances.

Rather, both the footage and dialogue

were entirely scripted out prior to the flight.

The Apollo cover story was specifically designed

to allow those missions to be conducted in the public eye,

while at the same time actively concealing the fact

that evidence of intelligent extraterrestrial life

might have been discovered in space and on the Moon.

The scripting protocols followed during the Apollo program

were for the most part highly effective

at ensuring the astronauts did not divulge

any sensitive information while they communicated

over the public radio channel with Houston.

However, when the astronauts were not

in radio contact with Mission Control,

they did on occasion make some unscripted

and rather candid comments to each other

about what they were observing outside their spacecraft.

These comments were captured by a device

mounted inside the Apollo command and service module

that was known as the data storage

equipment recorder or DSE.

The Apollo DSE was essentially a black box cockpit

voice and telemetry recording system.

In addition to recording a variety of spacecraft parameters

the DSE's 14 track tape also recorded

many internal crew conversations that took place

when the astronauts were not

communicating with Mission Control.

Although it is presumed that the recordings

were destroyed or lost,

the transcriptions were made at NASA

by the woman shown in this image and others.

And although they were originally classified,

those transcripts can be found today in the NASA archives.

Many of the comments captured by the DSE

were made when the spacecraft was behind

the far side of the Moon

with the astronauts describing various sites

not visible from Earth.

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- What's very interesting about

the Apollo 8 manned mission to the Moon is that

we would hear about all of these things

that astronauts and UFO researchers would repeat

being demonstrated in the communications,

photos and footage

throughout many other Apollo manned missions.

That is structures on the far side of the Moon,

UFOs, an anomalous activity in space,

as well as this eerie music or strange sounds

that the astronauts only heard

when they were on the far side of the Moon.

And what's interesting is that

we will hear a more detailed account

and more evidence of this strange music or sounds

on the far side of the Moon

in the later Apollo 10 manned mission.

And one has to wonder, is this sound

emanating from a base or maybe these structures

that were observed on the far side of the lunar surface

or was the sound actually coming from space?

And does the Moon operate as some kind of insulator

to feedback coming from space?

- [Narrator] March 3rd, 1969, Apollo 9

was the third man's space mission in the Apollo program

and the first flight with the Apollo lunar module.

The crew spent 10 days in low Earth orbit

testing several critical aspects of landing on the Moon,

including lunar module engines,

spacesuit life support systems, navigation systems,

and docking maneuvers.

- We were that first crew that was gonna get a chance

to fly this vehicle and test this vehicle

that was going to take human beings to the Moon.

We were very, very aware of the time pressure

and everything has to go right

if we're for sure gonna meet Kennedy's goal

of getting to the Moon in that decade and back.

We tested every possible thing that could be tested.

The mission was completely dedicated to testing the systems

the engines and the guidance and navigation,

all kinds of things that we could do in Earth orbit.

- Really very difficult to get

the coordinate system in your head.

Normally, we docked looking out this way

and for the dock we went to Lunar module

we had to look out this way.

So, the control system didn't operate

the way it normally would.

- [Astronaut] How does that support car handle, Jim?

- [Jim Lovell] Pretty nice.

- [Narrator] This was the first manned flight

of a lunar module,

the first docking and extraction with the lunar module,

the first completion of a two-man spacewalk

and the second docking of a two-man spacecraft.

- [Commander McDivitt] We depressurized

both the lunar module and the command module

and Rusty was going to get out

and transfer over to the command module.

And we were doing that to see that it could be done.

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- [Narrator] Two telecasts were made to Earth from Apollo 9.

The first, on March 5th, lasted for almost seven minutes.

The second telecast on the following day

lasted for about 13 minutes

and only showed interior views of the lunar module.

Photographs taken as part of the multi-spectral terrain

photographic experiment were successful.

- [Commander McDivitt] Now, Dave wanted to get it,

get out of the spacecraft too.

So we, part of the mission was for him to open up the hatch.

So, we were all out there in the vacuum.

- [Narrator] Here we are at this historic moment

that we are all part of, not just the astronauts,

but everybody who's alive today

and we're all on this small planet

as representative of life,

we're beginning to move out from this planet,

which as far as we know, contains all of the life

in our little corner of the universe.

- [Astronaut] Annual attitude control is good.

- [Controller] Roger, copy.

- [Astronaut] I'm gonna pull your flag,

oops, I bent that one.

- [Astronaut] BTU expenditure for each crew

and averaging 1,300 surgeon reports.

- [Controller] Jack, this is Houston.

- [indistinct]

Looks like your water temperature

is getting pretty high.

You might wanna go to intermediate cooling

or slow down or something.

Looks like your getting a little warm.

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- [Narrator] May 18th, 1969,

the Apollo 10 mission was the fourth manned mission

of the Apollo program.

- [Astronaut] Roger, Houston, Apollo 10.

You can tell the world that we have arrived.

- [Narrator] This mission was a successful synthesis

of the previous two completed missions.

It resulted in the lunar module

being placed for the first time in lunar orbit.

- And they give us a silver Snoopy for excellence warriors.

I wanted to honor the people that had worked so hard.

So we called it Snoopy,

but you needed two names so naturally

the other one was Charlie Brown.

- [Narrator] Stafford and Cernan were placed

in the lunar module, Snoopy,

after leaving the command service module.

They managed to place themselves

in an elliptical lunar orbit

about 14 kilometers above the lunar surface.

- You're amazed at what you see.

The one thing that always amazed me

were the size of the boulders.

There were these gigantic craters down on the bottom

would be boulder and up on the rim would be boulders.

- [Narrator] During the second and final return to the Moon,

the lunar module lost control,

which was regained shortly thereafter

by its pilot, Thomas Stafford.

- [Thomas Stafford] Yeah, okay.

Something went wild there and we're all set.

We didn't lock it.

We're going ahead to the audible.

- [Controller] Charlie Brown not Houston a guy saving it.

They had a wild gyration though,

but they got it under control.

- One thing people always ask,

were you frightened, were you scared?

The answer is no.

We were fighter pilots, test pilots.

So we knew what risk were.

You did everything you could to mitigate the risk,

but there was a risk.

So, we understood that.

- [Narrator] After completing this maneuver,

the lunar module was abandoned and launched

into orbit around the Sun.

As a final result, the mission was a success.

Separation and docking tests in the lunar orbit

between the command module

and the lunar module were all successful.

The lunar module descended to an altitude

of approximately 15 kilometers above the lunar surface.

- Well, we had a series of debriefings to them about,

because we had all the procedures worked out.

Actually, I went to Neil says, buddy, here you are.

Here's all the techniques,

all the procedures down to the last 50,000 feet.

And you take it there hard decent on the surface,

50,000 feet up, it's all done.

So they just followed all the procedures we had.

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We were using has some live cameras

to get the highest resolution.

Well, then and radar was going.

So radar map, photo maps and visually maps.

- But I'll tell you one thing, when we went over,

we made two passes over the landing site

and I tell you what,

I think I said things that boy we are down among,

I felt like I had to pick up my feet

to keep from dragging on top of the mountains.

I mean we were close and we're going over those hills

at 3,000 miles an hour.

So, you can just imagine what that was like.

And it was one of those quick touch and goes.

We didn't have a chance to put our tail hook down to stay.

And that would've been the big part of the challenge.

Nonetheless, we were only the second flight

to go to the Moon,

the first to take the lunar module.

And it was the right decision to be made

to get everything done.

And we found some problems that had we attempted to land

might have kept us from landing

and then paved a way for Apollo

to go hand and successfully land

So, it was the right decision at the right time.

- I have, I've looked at a lot of transcripts.

The Apollo lunar surface journal was great for that.

On Apollo 10, which is where we have

the images of Sinus Medii, it's really fascinating,

because Gene Cernan was on that mission

as well as Apollo 17.

And they're at 50,000 feet

and he says, wow, we are really down among them now.

I'm like there's nothing at 50,000 feet.

If the Moon is what they tell us is,

unless it's this artificial glass structure.

at 50,000 feet.

- [Interviewer] If they're scared of hitting it.

- Yeah, meaning he's in amongst towering stuff.

Well, it isn't the mountains,

'cause the mountains aren't that high for sure.

- [Narrator] In addition to recording telemetry related

to the performance of the lunar module spacecraft itself

the DSEA also made audio recordings

of any crew conversation throughout the mission.

- [Astronaut] Apollo can Houston, two minutes,

the LOS, everybody here says God speed.

- [Controller] Okay. and we'll see you right

on the other side in orbit.

- [Astronaut] Okay, this has got be

the greatest site ever here.

- [Astronaut] Try to stand up here.

[ominous music]

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- [Reporter] Noises reportedly were heard in May, 1969

by the Apollo 10 astronauts as they circled the Moon.

The sounds which lasted about an hour

were recorded and transmitted to Mission Control in Houston.

- The music even sounds outer space doesn't it?

You hear that?

That whistling sound?

Whoooooooo.

- [Controller] We are getting data.

We don't have any voice communication yet.

- [Astronaut] Roger Houston, Apollo 10.

You can tell the world that we have arrived.

- [Controller] Roger 10, it's good to hear from you.

- [Gene Cernan] You wouldn't believe this thing.

- [Astronaut] Roger 10, we're still

having problems popping up.

Oh, we'd like you to go to white beam for 30 seconds

and then back to narrow over.

- [Gene Cernan] No, I can see it with the naked eye

and I put the binocular on it

and I can it spinning around

and I wouldn't bet my life on it being the S4B

but it's sure gotta be something like it.

- [Reporter] That was Gene Cernan reporting that sighting.

- [Gene Cernan] You know, it's a beautiful sight.

We're sitting here, it's almost like science fiction.

Looking back at it, Bruce.

This is the peacock of Apollo 10, Roger.

And we'd like to say hello from the five of us if we may.

Roger.

[ominous music]

Charlie this is it.

It's so hard to describe.

You can go right up.

Uh,

It is incredible.

- [Controller] Okay, this has got to be

the greatest sight ever.

- [Astronaut] You gotta see it up here.

The land masses don't seem to stand out quite as clearly

today as they did yesterday.

[ominous music]

- [Controller] How's the view 10?

- [Astronaut] We have our student geologist here

overlook at the surface that they reported admitted.

- [Controller] Roger, standing by over.

- [Astronaut] Okay, we're just passing from the highlands

over into the Mari area and you can pass on to Jack.

We caught a couple of real pretty little volcanoes,

there's no doubt about 'em.

And we got a couple of good high resolution photos

and it still looks kind of brownish crater to us here over.

- [Controller] Roger, we copy, we hear that.

- [Astronaut] There was place back there where there's that.

There was one volcano or whatever it was

that it was all white on the outside,

but definitely black around the top of it.

- [Controller] Roger.

Charlie, it might sound corny,

but the view is really out of this world.

We had a couple of comments.

The back row that I won't repeat.

Apollo 10, Houston, two minutes to LOS.

Everybody here says God speed.

- [Astronaut] Okay, And we'll see you

on the other side in orbit.

- [Controller] Oh Roger, 76 22 55.

- Many skeptics and debunkers

will remark on the fact that

mainstream media was not reporting on UFOs, anomalies

and structures being witnessed by astronauts

during the Apollo manned missions.

And the simple reason why mainstream media

wasn't exposed to this back in the 1960s and seventies

during the Apollo missions is because

that information was deeply classified.

In fact, the DSEA tapes weren't actually declassified

till 12 years after these Apollo manned missions.

And additionally, we didn't have photography and film

fully examined by many of the UFO researchers

and independent researchers like Luna Cognita

until many years after.

- How can they keep the secret?

Some of these SETI people like really just make me laugh.

I've heard some pretty stupid comments

coming out of these mouths.

Like this assumption that, oh yeah, the press,

the media wants this scoop.

Well, the media doesn't want that scoop,

because they're not authorized to give it

and they won't give it,

'cause the intelligence community will tell them

what they can give.

And NASA doesn't want this scoop.

And I don't care what these SETI people

like to tell the public they don't want that scoop.

- So another case like this, which is really interesting,

is the case of NASA frame AS10-32-4822.

This is a photograph or a series of photographs

that was taken over the lunar surface

right in the middle Sinus Medii the sea in the middle.

The sea in the middle where the Apollo 10 spacecraft

was flying by and took photographs of this area.

This is dead center on the lunar disk.

If you were to look at the lunar disk,

you'd see a triangular shaped crater called you Kurt.

And then right next to it is the Sinus Medii area.

It's also an area where surveyor four disappeared in mid-air

while descending to a landing there

just like a bug went splat on a windshield.

So this is the photograph.

This is an original analog image that's been scanned in

by researchers back in the 1990s.

And it looks pretty straightforward.

This is actually AS10-32-4810.

So it's a couple images earlier.

It's 12 images earlier than that

over the Sinus Medii region.

And you notice in the background that

there's all this weird sort of stuff.

You see all this light sources,

now that can't be stars,

because the frame exposure is one 250th of a second.

If you go much longer than that,

the whole foreground is gonna be washed out with light.

So it has to be really, really rapid.

So it can't possibly be far distance stars

and galaxies and planets.

But if you enhance this image,

if you brighten up the background, it gets even weirder

because this is what the background is.

So what you see is that these light points

are actually just points of... structure

that is in this massive miles high...

geometric structure above the lunar surface over the sea

in the middle of Sinus Medii.

Now, if you notice, there are these crisscrossing lines

and people are like, oh,

those are just scratches on the negative.

Well, but that doesn't make any sense,

because when do scratches on the negative

follow the curvature of the lunar surface?

And when do they intersect at 90 degree angles,

like these do.

And again, as an engineer, I look at this,

I look at the spacing.

I say this is exactly how I would construct

a grid-like structure over the surface of the Moon.

If you zoom in on it, there's this sort of box-like shape.

And here's spars coming this way and spars coming that way.

And here's one crossing.

And these are all not scratches.

These all have structure to them.

They all have, if you look at them really, really closely,

they all have segments, they all have aspects to them

that make them appear to be engineering.

And when you enhance it, put a color into it,

it looks even weirder.

Here's another version with a slightly darker background.

So then you get a couple of pictures later

and you go to AS10-32-4816.

So four photographs later, over the surface of Sinus Medii.

Here you have the same phenomenon.

You have these little points of light,

which should not be there at all.

And then when you enhance that background, you see this.

This looks like, I don't know, skyscrapers on the Moon,

The Twin Towers.

I mean when you look and zoom up on this

and also notice this isn't

some sort of like digital artifact,

because if it was, it would be over the whole thing.

Yet, there's this big hole through which you can see

stuff in the background, more big towering stuff.

And when you zoom up on the edges of that,

you can see just how weird they are.

They look like big glass skyscrapers.

So having found this stuff,

Hoagland was really interested in finding more.

So he went and he got himself

an old North American photographic catalog

from the time period.

And as he looked at these images, he went and he said,

oh, well, look at some of these other ones.

These other catalog images don't look like much at all.

They look really over underexposed, including this one

which is completely blacked out.

It's like they left the lens cap on the camera or something.

So what did he do?

He ordered the blacked out photograph.

And when he got AS10-32-4822,

again, taken just what, six frames later,

he got this area of Sinus Medii,

which is about the size of the Los Angeles Basin,

and has been analyzed by geologists who said,

this is a completely non-natural pattern.

Again, 90 degrees, crisscrossing streets,

that kind of thing, as if you were looking at Los Angeles.

And as you zoom up on it, it gets even weirder.

And then there are objects that appeared

that then seemed to disappear.

What they did is they ordered 4822

once they thought they had something.

They ordered 4822 from nine different NASA archives

that existed at the time where

you could get photographic prints,

Hawaii, Maryland, Washington DC.

And what they found is that all nine of the versions

of AS10-32-4822 were different.

So what they realized was that what they were looking at

was probably a power winder sequence.

The spacecraft is moving left to right,

the astronauts looking out the window,

he's got a power winder on his Hasselblad.

He pushes down his finger and takes

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.

And so, objects would appear

in some versions of 4822 and disappear in others.

Here's an example of one of those.

It looks like a giant paper clip near Los Angeles.

If you go back to Los Angeles, if you go back.

That object should be right here, it's not there.

But then the next frame, it is there,

because the light changes.

So this is a huge antenna.

This tower is a couple hundred feet tall

and whatever this thing is, it's an antenna or something.

It does not belong on the Moon.

If the Moon is what NASA tells us it is.

And there are other frames through the area of 4822

that show weird light reflection

like there's lights on down there.

And then there's this object,

which is my favorite one on the various versions of 4822.

It's pretty famous.

It's called The Castle.

And it appears to be hanging amidst all this stuff.

Just hanging there in space miles above the lunar surface.

It has segments that clearly look to me to be structural.

There's even a indication of a,

like a sagging line. - [Interviewer] Scaffolding?

- Yeah, scaffolding or a sagging like line

that it's hanging from.

You can see that this, the weight of this thing

is pulling on this wire that it's hanging from.

And it does appear in a couple

different versions of the frame.

Here's the one with the wire and then this one

is obviously the next one over and another step over

where the thing has not reflected the light,

because now the spacecraft has moved.

So, it's changed direction just a little bit.

The wire disappears that it's hanging from

and it's narrower.

See how it's narrower than it is here,

- [Interviewer] It's under exposed.

- Right, and basically,

because the light geometry is fading,

the light is not now bouncing directly into the camera

like it was a split second before that,

because the spacecraft is moving

at thousands of miles an hour.

And again, you go up to the edge of it

and you can see that there's sort of

an internal geometry to it.

There's a lot of cells and structures.

It is absolutely fascinating.

And they hid, they knew what was on these,

because they hid all nine of these photographs

under one frame number.

It should be 4822, 4823, 4824,

all the way up to 4832.

But it's not, it's all buried under one frame number,

which they, I will remind you,

blacked out in the catalog,

'cause they didn't want anybody to look at it.

But because of the religious aspects of this,

the weird, strange symbolism and stuff,

they couldn't just completely erase them from history.

They had to give you some access to the originals.

If it wasn't for Hoagland being super clever,

we would never have found this stuff.

[dramatic music]

[high pace music]

- For the first time, man is about

to set foot on the Moon surface.

This is the television camera that

will record that historic event.

You'll see it live on your home television set.

I'm Stan Lebar Westinghouse program manager

for Apollo television cameras.

The public is probably most familiar

with this color television camera

that was used by astronaut Tom Stafford on Apollo 10.

And this is a camera that took those

extraordinary color pictures of both the Earth and the Moon.

Incidentally, this color camera will be used

in the command module on Apollo 11.

But the world attention will be focused

on this small black and white camera

that will be located in the lens

and it will record the astronaut

as he descends to the lunar surface

and takes those first monumental steps.

- [Controller] This is Apollo Saturn launch control.

We passed the six minute mark

in our countdown for Apollo 11.

The flight to land the first men on the Moon.

The vehicle's starting to pressu

as far as the propellant tanks are concerned

and all is still go as we monitor our status for it.

Firing command coming in now.

They're on an automatic sequence

as the master computer supervises hundreds of events

occurring over these last few minutes.

Neil Armstrong reported back

when he received the good wishes

Thank you very much.

We know it will be a good flight.

Good luck and God speed.

40 seconds away from the Apollo 11 lift off.

All the second stage tanks now pressurized,

35 seconds and counting.

We are still go with Apollo 11, T minus 15 seconds.

Guidance is internal.

12, 11, 10, 9, ignition sequence start, 6.

[rockets blasting]

- [Narrator] July 16th, 1969,

Apollo 11 was the fifth manned mission

of the US Apollo program

and the first in history to land a human being on the Moon.

[suspenseful music]

[rockets blasting]

- [Gary Martynuik] Today, I wanted to give you a closer look

at a very brief segment of 16 mm "DAC" Motion Picture

footage from the NASA archives

that was originally shot back in July in 1969

during the flight of Apollo 11.

And the footage was taken throug

one of the windows of the command service module

during what was called the Trans-Lunar Coast

or TLC phase of the mission.

And this was the three-day period when the astronauts

were crossing the almost 400,000 kilometer

cislunar void that separates our Earth from the Moon.

And at some point during

this outbound journey through cislunar space,

one of the Apollo 11 astronauts

did some unscheduled shooting

with the 16 mm "DAC" Motion Picture Camera.

And in the process managed to film

several unidentified objects outside their spacecraft.

And to show you what I mean,

While this particular clip has been

digitally archived by NASA, so that when played back,

it appears to be about one second in duration,

it is not actually showing us

a one second period of time caught on film.

This clip we're examining here is actually

time compressed stop motion footage.

And in this case, the sequence is comprised

of 11 individual distinct frames of 16 millimeter film

that were originally exposed at one frame per second

intervals over a period of 11 seconds.

And this type of stop motion filming was possible,

because the Mauer 16 mm DAC that was used

throughout the Apollo program was in fact

a variable frame rate motion picture camera

that was capable of shooting

at four different preset exposure speeds

either 1, 6, 12, or 24 frames per second.

And in the case of this footage, rather than archiving it

at the correct one frame per second playback speed,

they instead incorrectly archived the sequence

as if it had been shot at 12 frames per second instead.

So this means that NASA actually

present this stop motion sequence in such a way

that it is being shown at a playback rate

that's 12 times faster than

what the frames were actually exposed at.

Whatever these objects are,

they are clearly flying free in space.

And we can say with certainty that they are definitely

not any declared satellites or known debris.

We don't know what they are, where they came from,

how they got there, where they're going,

or what they're doing there.

And that by definition puts them

into the category of being unidentified.

- So if somebody's gonna say UFOs are just our craft

from a very top secret aerospace project,

and for example, some people will say the Phoenix Lights,

that might have been what's called a TR3B.

It's supposed to be this massive black budget craft

that was a crew and heavy equipment carrier

that would take stuff to space in sort of

what people label a secret space program.

What do you think about that?

- I don't believe it.

- You don't believe it?

- Nope, don't believe it.

- Would you say that the Phoenix-

- I think that the Phoenix Lights,

I mean that was like two miles across

from the eyewitness testimony,

including the Governor of Arizona.

And it could hover very, very slowly.

And when it took off, it took off

like at the speed of light.

I mean, it would change its shape

a little bit and just gone.

And then you have the telepathic aspect of it too,

from the witnesses that I spoke to.

So, I'm not gonna sit there and say that

I definitively can make a statement

that there's no such thing as a secret space program.

I just haven't seen the evidence for it

and I haven't heard the test testimony for it.

And I'm highly dubious, even though here I am

putting out a film on a UFO crash

with live aliens in the town,

but I haven't seen the evidence.

I mean, it makes sense that there would be,

there are sightings here.

Why wouldn't there be sightings out there?

It's not my area of expertise.

I don't dig into, I look into the phenomenon

and if it leads me to an astronaut, great.

And if not, you know, so I just know

that what Fay Ann Potter told me

about her brother Buzz Aldrin,

that they saw something on the way to the Moon.

[rhythmic suspenseful music]

[rhythmic suspenseful music continues]

[dramatic music]

- [Narrator] The lunar landing was on July 20th

of that same year.

And the following day, two astronauts became

the first to walk on the lunar surface.

[dramatic music continues]

- [Astronaut] Okay, engine stop APA at a defense

or control both auto-dependent command override off.

Engine arm off.

For 13 is in.

- [Astronaut] We copy it down, Eagle.

Houston, uh...

- [Controller] Roger tranquility we copy you on the ground.

You got a bunch of guys about to turn blue,

we're breathing again, thanks a lot.

- When we did get close and we rolled out

and saw it for the first time, it was a revelation.

It was gigantic, it filled our entire window.

- Flying through the Moon shadow

and seeing the Sun eclipsed by the Moon as we approached it,

that was a very spectacular sight.

- [Narrator] Commander Armstrong was the first human

to set foot on the surface of the Earth's satellite

on July 21st, 1969 at 02:56 UTC, international time

south of the Sea of Tranquility,

six and a half hours after landing on the Moon.

This historic milestone was broadcast to the entire planet

from the Parks Observatory in Australia.

- [Neil Armstrong] Here, men from the planet Earth,

first step foot upon the moon, July 1969.

We came in peace for all mankind.

[dramatic music]

[dramatic music continues]

[dramatic music continues]

[dramatic music continues]

[dramatic music continues]

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- [Astronaut] It's beautiful.

- [Astronaut] Isn't that something?

Say here are you talking about a mysterious looking place.

They can cut some fresh some parts of those pictures up.

Make a nice photograph.

[dramatic music]

[dramatic music continues]

They can cut some fresh some parts of those pictures up.

Make a nice photograph.

[dramatic music continues]

- There's this thing that came out about 2014,

and it's an image that was found on the internet

that had actually been posted

back in the early days like 2002.

And it had a number as1120pyramid20small2.jpg,

that was the name of the image.

And it showed what clearly appears to be

an artificial structure on the surface of the Moon,

but nobody really knew where it came from.

The AS11 indicated that it was an Apollo 11 shot,

and it took researchers quite a while

to actually find the image.

And it turned out the image was AS11-38-5564.

Now this is interesting,

because it was an image that was taken,

it was a photograph that was taken

by one of the Apollo 11 astronauts,

either Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin or Michael Collins

shooting out the window of the command module

as they were flying over the lunar surface

on trans Earth injection.

They had already fired the engine,

they were heading towards Earth

and they were just shooting the hell

out of the backside of the Moon.

Now, the interesting thing about this is that

they took these pictures just, again,

probably with a power winder,

one after the other, after the other.

But the film was so good that they could take

just lots and lots of photographs.

This is the image as it appeared in an a NASA archive.

And it's an image of a crater called Daedalus.

Now, this thing is very, very near the crater Daedalus,

it's actually Daedalus R, I believe.

And Daedalus is dead center on the back disc of the Moon.

In other words, it's the exact antipode,

the other side of Sinus Medii where we just saw The Castle.

So you might expect to find something there.

I have a feeling this is why they were photographing this.

So in that area, and again,

this is Sinus Medii with the triangular crater,

pretty interesting stuff.

And then on the back you have this Ziggurat.

So, as we looked at this thing,

it began to look more and more like something

that was completely artificial and did not belong there.

And again, I went through it, did some enhancement,

tried to get more detail out.

And what you see, or at least what I saw

is these four walls, this wall structure,

sort of a weird angled front end to it.

Kind of there's a triangle shape there,

and then there's like a central box with maybe windows.

There's a passageway to actually enter it

and like a little dome on top.

Pretty bizarre stuff.

Well, somebody pointed out this looks a lot like

the Ziggurat at Ur in Mesopotamia or modern day Iraq.

And yeah, here's this basic structure.

Here's these entrances, these walkways,

this is what it looked like when they first found it

in the 1930s and it's now been re-excavated.

And this is what the original structure looked like.

You have exterior walls,

you have an interior square structure,

you have a single entranceway,

which is how they were set up for defense.

And then you have these ramps leading up to it.

Now, if you were to take these ramps

and like fill them in, again, here's a little dome.

So, a little dome right here on top of the structure.

So, it looks basically like this

Like there's an exterior structure

and an interior structure like a Ziggurat.

And again, I'm gonna remind you, okay,

here's a dome, here's a little dome,

here's an interior square structure,

here's the interior square structure,

here's the exterior walls, there they are.

And then here's, if you took this area

and filled it in, it would look with dirt,

it would look probably just like this thing does.

The problem is when you go to AS11-38-5564,

it doesn't really look quite the same.

So we finally found the object near the crater Daedalus R.

This is the area involved.

This is the original image that was found

by a guy named KK Samurai, by the way.

That was what he called himself.

He's the one who found that he was given this image

by a very interesting character.

So here is the Daedalus Ziggurat, on today's image.

It's gone, right? Where is it?

Well, it's actually supposed to be right here,

right here in the middle.

But there's the front ramps, there's the,

but it's all gone.

It's just blank, it's nothing but a crater.

And again, I did the best I could with it,

with what they have on NASA's surface now.

It doesn't look like really anything.

They've blurred it out. They've... [inaudible]

They've added shadows.

And again, I'm gonna tell you again,

I went and analyzed the interior of this crater

and this area here.

And again, it's one color, pitch black,

over the entire thing.

That means they drew on this, they drew on this.

If they drew on this, they drew on other parts of it too.

So, again, from a distance, as you step back,

it kind of looks like the same thing,

but it actually really doesn't.

They're trying to convince you this is nothing,

but an optical illusion.

Now, I got into very strong conflict

with a couple of NASA guys over there.

They're like, oh, it's obviously nothing.

You know, you can't, yeah, you're crazy.

You don't know what you're looking at.

But clearly what's happened here is that

the original image from which KK Samurai

drew his conclusions and his version

is completely different than 5564.

The problem is, is we didn't know at the time originally

where he got this interesting version.

Where did he get it from, and what was on it?

But here's the thing, this is supposed to be

the Ziggurat right here.

But as I looked at this image, I found that there was,

even though they had erased the Ziggurat,

there was a lot of other interesting stuff

on here they didn't erase.

A lot of interesting stuff.

These are some of the areas that are marked

as we go through them real quickly.

There's this particular, um, guy,

which is just a sort of a normal crater.

But then what is this thing up above here?

What is this one up here?

Number five, up in the corner of the image.

And as we zoom up on that,

I see stuff that with my trained eye

looks really, really weird.

This is the area where they have

blacked out the sky behind this.

Well, what is this thing?

Well, if you look at it, it's pretty bizarre,

because what you've got here is this is a hangar

cut into the side of this mountain.

It's filled in with debris in the front.

And that would be the other side.

You're looking at it at an angle

and then this is some sort of disc shape

with something else going on.

Like what the hell are these things?

See, stone, spire, stone, spire, stone, what are they?

But it's right there and they're all in the same area.

Because if you have one anomaly, no matter how clear it is,

if there's nothing else around it,

you can't really say it's something.

It could just be, again, a really bizarre looking artifact.

So let's go back and look, this is another,

there's like a tube that you can follow

that runs for miles and miles along the surface

and then seems to attach itself like a drill

underneath this overhanging ridge.

This thing is hanging there.

There's all kinds of structure.

It's just bizarre.

- People who come here to this museum

and look at our spacecraft, Columbia,

are most often struck by its small size,

which from their perspective is understandable.

From our point of view, the command module

was a wonderful improvement over our previous spacecraft,

which were really cramped.

And so, we enjoyed the luxury of a big volume machine.

- Yeah, I thought we had amazingly good accommodations.

We had hot and cold water.

The food was even edible.

All in all, it was a nicely packaged, small enclosure,

and we could comfortably have stayed there

far in excessive eight days.

- [Narrator] On July 24th, the three astronauts

achieved a perfect splash down in the waters

of the Pacific Ocean ending the mission.

[inspirational music]

- Well, it proved that the United States

could accomplish tremendous goals

if they worked together as a team.

- After the flight of Apollo 11,

Neil Armstrong, Buzz Alder and I

had an around the world tour.

And every place we went, I thought they'd

in some places have the attitude of,

oh, well you Americans finally did this.

Not at all, the attitude, every country,

regardless of their internal politics,

they all said, we did it, we humans.

[audience applauding]

[audience applauding continues]

- It was our pleasure to have

participated in one great adventure.

It's an adventure that took place

not just in the month of July,

but rather one that took place in the last decade.

We all here and the people listening in today

had the opportunity to share that adventure

over its developing and unfolding

in the past months and years.

It's our privilege today to share with you

some of the details of that final month of July.

That was certainly the highlight

for the three of us of that decade.

We're going to divert a little bit

from the format of past press conferences

and talk about the things that interested us most.

In particular, the things that occurred

on and about the Moon.

- [Reporter] Apollo 11 astronaut, Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin,

the second man to walk on the Moon,

has actually given an interview where he confirmed

that certain segments of his Apollo mission

were indeed carefully scripted

to control exactly what the public saw and heard.

Back in 2003, Aldrin was interviewed

for Neil Armstrong's only authorized biography.

And during that interview, he was asked about

whether some of the live television transmissions

that were made from the CSM during the flight

really were improvised and unscripted.

And in response, Aldrin first admits that NASA

quote went to great lengths unquote

to make sure that they appeared unscripted.

And he then goes on to say the following,

and I'll quote Aldrin directly here.

- We will use a number of films and slides,

which most of you have already seen,

and with the intent of pointing out

some of the things that we observed on the spot,

which may not be obvious to those of you

who are looking at them here from the surface of Earth.

- [Narrator] This motion picture DAC footage

was recorded during the Apollo 11 ascent back into orbit

and famously presents an orb-lik

flying along the lunar horizon.

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- What's very interesting about the Apollo 11 manned mission

is that this mission also would be very rife with rumors of

anomalous or UFO activity out there on the Moon.

In fact, one of the rumors that's quite prevalent

is that a craft was waiting.

A non-terrestrial craft was waiting on the lunar surface

for the Apollo 11 astronauts

when they did their first Moon walks.

Another rumor that actually came from Buzz Aldrin,

the Apollo 11 astronaut himself,

was that a UFO was following the Apollo spacecraft

on the way to the Moon in the middle of cislunar space.

And the astronauts had tracked it

while they were floating through space.

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- Buzz Aldrin could have been one of these important figures

that actually proved there is UFO activity

happening in outer space.

But unfortunately, he became very contradictory

on his initial story in mainstream media.

- There was something out there that was close enough

to be observed and, uh, what could it be?

Mike decided he thought he could see it in the telescope

and he was able to do that.

And when it was in one position

that had a series of ellipses,

but when you made it real sharp,

it was sort of L-shaped that didn't tell us very much.

Now obviously, the three of us were not gonna blurt out,

Hey Houston, we got something moving alongside of us

and we don't know what it is.

Can you tell us what it is?

We weren't about to do that,

'cause we know that those transmissions

would be heard by all sorts of people

and who knows what somebody would've demanded

that we turned back because of aliens

or whatever the reason is.

So, we didn't do that, but we did decide,

we just cautiously ask Houston where,

how far away was the S4B.

And a few moments later why they came back

and said something like, it was 6,000 miles away,

because of the maneuver.

So, we really didn't think we were

looking at something that far away.

So, we decided that after a while of watching it,

it was time to go to sleep and not to talk about it anymore

until we came back in debriefing.

I saw this illumination that was moving

with respect to the stars.

We were smart enough to not say,

Houston, there's a light out there that's following us.

So, technically becomes an unidentified flying object.

[Echo] Flying object.

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- All I can think about.

But in any case, I was on set and I was just a gopher

and I turned out I got a little role,

but Mickey Rooney was like, "Oh, what are you doing

when you're not here helping us out?"

And I said, "I'm making a UFO film."

He goes, "Oh, I'm friends with Buzz Aldrin

and you should talk to him sometime.

He's got some pretty interesting stories."

And so, that was my initial in with Buzz Aldrin.

Um,

And then I would say probably three years later

I met Fay Ann Potter, Buzz Aldrin's sister.

So I'm talking to Fay Ann Potter and I said,

I found out it was her brother was Buzz Aldrin.

And I'm like, I worked on this movie set

and I found out through Mickey Rooney

that your brother had a sighting, some...

but I didn't get any specifics.

She said, oh yeah, he had two encounters with UFOs

and one was when he was piloting,

this is what she told me,

this is what Buzz Aldrin's sister told me, okay?

She said that he had, and I don't know what year it was,

but I think it was before he went to the Moon.

He was flying a fighter jet and he chased a disc.

And she said that he was so moved by the experience

that he called her and he was still shaking from it.

He said he chased it till he couldn't go any higher,

didn't catch it.

That's what she told me.

Then she said he also told her

that they...

saw something,

or something followed them to the Moon.

But it was like not just a quick sighting.

I think it went on for like a day or two.

That's what she told me.

So, between Fay Ann Potter and Mickey Rooney

and his wife, Jan Rooney,

they said,

we think we can get you an interview with Buzz Aldrin.

So, they got my foot in the door, they contacted him.

Good kid, he's doing this documentary

and Buzz Aldrin agrees to meet with me.

- He's in Europe.

- That's the problem.

He was in France on tour for some book that he was doing.

Yes, I'll meet with James, but I'm on this book tour

and I'm gonna be in Monte Carlo on these dates.

If he wants to meet me in Monte Carlo

I'll meet with him and do an interview.

So of course, I'm gonna do that.

And I've got Buzz Aldrin, I think I've borrowed money

from somebody, I can't remember who.

And we get to his hotel and the concierge comes and says,

Mr. Fox? say, Yes? You have a telephone call.

And I, okay.

And he gives me the phone and it's Buzz Aldrin,

I can't do the interview.

I said, it's like, what do you mean

you can't do the interview?

I traveled all this way.

He said, I can't do it.

He said, it was Paul Allen.

- [Darcy Weir] Paul Allen?

- It was Paul Allen.

He said, Paul Allen just invested in SETI

and he was labeled a UFO quack, something like that.

- And he didn't wanna be labeled.

- And he said, I'm trying to get money from Congress

to develop a rocket that'll put citizens in space

and I will not jeopardize that initiative.

And how's my coming forward gonna change anything anyway.

And I responded how I felt and I said,

well, with all due respect, sir,

it takes people of your stature

to elevate this whole, you know, phenomenon

out of the rut that it's in.

And your contribution, your testimony,

would be of the utmost significance.

You know? He said, well, I'm not doing it.

And he was almost kind of angry or something

like, well, I did something wrong, you know?

And, um,

But he said, how's my story gonna change anything?

He didn't deny it at all.

And he was gonna go on camera and tell me about it.

- 12 men have ever walked on the Moon.

And the man who did it the second time

anyone walked on the Moon was Buzz Aldrin.

He was part of the first mission that got there,

The national astronaut on Apollo 11.

He's here with a model of Apollo 11.

He was with the first pair with Neil Armstrong, of course.

And Buzz, the panel remains so that

they might wanna pop something at him.

But Buzz, what's your connection with this program?

What did you see?

- What did I see?

Well, the first day out, maybe six hours after launch,

we were scheduled to make a mid-course correction.

I'd like to show you a few things in this rocket

just to point out the condition that we were in.

We separate the command and service module

and it turns around like this

and it docks with the lunar module.

Now, notice these three and four panels,

whenever the command module separates and turns around,

those panels go off in four different directions.

And we can look out these windows

and see the Earth drift by and see the Moon drift by.

- [Larry King] And what did you see?

- And I saw a light out there.

Okay, this is after we had witnessed

the upper stage rocket next to us

make an evasive maneuver to miss the Moon.

And we thought, wonder what that is?

You know, there are a lot of lights out there

when you're not looking in the direction of the Sun.

There are a lot of stars and they're all fixed

relative to each other.

Now, one of 'em starts moving or it's moving

and we know that that's another object, it's not a star.

We started thinking a little bit more

about these four panels and I'd seen a graph

where it showed the separation distance

that was calculated before liftoff,

before the whole mission went

of where these panels would be

in case the spacecraft made some maneuver

and they guaranteed there'd be no.

- Hold it right there, you got me hooked.

- Fast forward...

- many years later, - Oh yeah, oh yeah,

- Oh my God. - you were on CNN.

- So I had no idea.

I get- I had broken a story with Fife Symington

who was the former Governor of Arizona, okay?

- And- - The Phoenix Lights.

- The Phoenix Lights case that he had not only

that he'd seen it, he did actually investigate it

and that he felt it was otherworld.

It was a big story.

And I was all over the news and we got invited on CNN.

I think it was the 60th anniversary of Roswell,

but I'm not positive.

- Larry King Live.

- Yeah, Larry King Live.

And I see Buzz Aldrin in the green room,

and I walked outta the green room

and I turned over to Fife Symington,

the former Governor of Arizona.

And I said, man, I can't wait to go.

This is the first time I've seen him

since he canceled this interview with me 10 years earlier,

or whatever it was.

And really no explanation given I borrowed all this money

and I know he's had these,

they're gonna get him out here just debunking everything.

And Fife says, you know, James,

that guy's an iconic figure in the United States history.

I mean, he landed on the Moon with Neil Armstrong.

You really can't be doing that

to him on a national live TV show.

- He might even punch you.

- But he is a big, he is a very famous, respected,

- He's a hero. - He's a hero.

- And so I toned it down

and then I just watched him,

basically lie on live television

- What did I see during the flight?

- [Larry King] Yeah, you saw- - We saw

- one of the four panels, the 99.999.

- Okay, I was told by a very close source of yours

that you actually saw something other than that.

- A lot of people have said things that I saw.

- I don't want to reveal the source.

- That doesn't mean that I saw.

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- In your years of flying,

- Oh. - As you said,

you've seen strange things.

- Well, yeah, I was flying a T33, I guess

and I looked out and saw a star out there,

but it wasn't a star, it was Venus.

But it kept following me all along.

And you would swear that it's another object out there

and you can turn.

And I wanna congratulate you on your magic show

last night with all the illusions,

because now we're getting a lot more illusions tonight.

And can you explain everything that happened

with Chris Angel last night? - I cannot explain anything.

- No, you can't.

- Doesn't make it.

- [Buzz Aldrin] That's right.

- Here's what I'm gonna do, folk

I'm gonna take a break, come back and get the thought.

- One of my biggest regrets was

I didn't get Fay Ann Potter on camera to,

I never thought she would just die so quickly.

I didn't even know she was sick, you know?

But Fay Ann Potter told me

that he had a very dramatic encounter with a flying saucer

while he chased the disc,

'cause it is what she said.

While piloting in a fighter jet.

And that they were followed by something

that they were not able to explain to the Moon.

She did not say he had a sighting on the Moon.

She didn't tell me that.

She said on the way to the Moon.

- Right.

- Now, what happened on the Moon?

I have no idea, but that's what she told me.

- Apollo 11 was purely symbolic.

It was land on the Moon in the middle of nowhere,

avoid all this stuff that we're concerned about,

because there's a whole theory.

That we can land on the Moon,

and it was out in the middle of nowhere

and it was where the stars

were aligned properly in the Sea of Tranquility

for Buzz Aldrin to perform his ceremony,

which consecrated the Moon itself as a Masonic temple,

and Apollo 11 tranquility base as a Masonic temple.

That was the purpose.

All the other missions were salvage missions.

Let's go land where we think interesting stuff is,

ancient alien technology,

call it an anarchy technology if you want to.

Left behind and bring it back

and do a Terminator to reverse engineering type thing.

And I mean, it's pretty clear

as you look at the photographic record.

Oh, did they see that?

Yeah, I'm sure they saw that.

Did they see this?

Yeah, I'm sure they saw that.

I'm sure they realized that's not a rock,

because they were very well trained in all this stuff.

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- Welcome to Tucker Carlson.

Today, the crazy thing about the topic of UFOs

is how when you get into it, how really non-crazy,

a lot of the people who know a lot

about the topic turn out to be.

They're kind of the opposite of what you imagine.

They're not for conspiracy nuts.

A lot of them are just scientists.

Garry Nolan is definitely at the top of that list.

He's a Harvard, he's a Stanford rather, professor,

Stanford PhD, an immunologist.

And he has over the last decade or two,

spent a lot of time studying the harmful effects

that apparent encounters with UFOs have on the human brain.

- So my main job, my day job at Stanford

for the last 30 years has been

the development of technologies to look at cancer.

It was circa 2011 or so when some people from the CIA

and an aerospace company came to me

to ask me for their help on the analysis

of some individuals who had been,

had encountered some anomalous objects they said.

And I mean they came to my office unannounced

and then started laying out pictures

and data on the table in front of me.

Then that's a huge operation in the government

to deal with those.

In fact, the Senate Intelligence Committee

just came out with a report this morning

that has language specifically in it

to look at the Havana Syndrome cases

and to understand it.

Also has interesting, I don't know if you saw it,

it also has language about UAPs.

And basically, admonishing the defense department saying,

you guys have been dragging your feet.

No, no more, whistleblower language.

They actually, there was also a situation

where they wanna go all the way back to 1947,

collect, they want the,

all the Defense Department and the CIA, et cetera

to collect all the information

around events that have occurred.

They want all of, interestingly,

the NDAs, the non-disclosure agreements,

they want those all listed,

because the NDAs are associated to people.

And that means they can start

to name the people who have been involved.

They want all of the information on the disinformation

and the obfuscation that's been going on.

And they want information about

the medical harms that have occurred.

- If we look at this Tucker Carlson interview

that happened with the Stanford University professor,

it gives one hope about the disclosure and this movement

in which we might get in the mainstream media.

The fact that we're not alone sometime in the future.

These congressional hearings in which experiencers

are going to testify before Congress.

Experiencers being people that were witness to UFOs

and actually were physically affected

by their proximity to these UFOs.

Now, these experiencers are important,

but it pains me to think that

important whistleblowers like Karl Wolfe

are no longer around to also take part

in these congressional hearings.

Karl Wolfe passed away in 2018.

Just like John Mack was hit by a car,

and this tragically ended his life.

In 2018, Karl Wolfe was also hit by a car

when he was on his bike.

And this is a very unfortunate loss.

His family mourns his loss,

as does the UFO research community.

- Well, let's say we know all of these implications,

and let's say it's 1960

and we know some of these things, right?

Well, you think of the world back then.

The world of 1960,

no way would that world be ready

for some of the intellectual realities

of what we think we know now.

Because actually our knowledge of this subject

has gone way deeper in our era than it ever was in the past.

In the past, they're thinking like

the day the Earth stood still,

you know, men, maybe some women in space suits

from another world in their metal spaceships

have just arrived.

And you know, that whole thing.

And that's how people were talking back in the fifties.

That's what they thought.

Or at least some of them were thinking along these lines.

And that's clearly not like we're well past that,

whatever the reality of this is,

this phenomenon signifies a reality that is mind bending.

That we're gonna have to make some adjustments.

So let's say back in 1960, we've got some inkling of this.

And we have to ask ourselves,

what the hell do we do with this information?

And how could we ever get the public up to speed on this?

And if we were to really think seriously about that,

we would realize this will take generations.

This cannot happen right away.

There's no way.

No way.

- I don't think it's gonna come as a surprise to folks

that have been following us on this journey

that Apollo 12 has many of the examples of anomalies,

structures on the Moon and UFOs

that we will also see in later Moon missions.

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