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So we're going to turn
our heads toward comedy.
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There are new kinds of comedies
that become cult,
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and one of which
is a picture
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called "Fast Times at Ridgemont High"
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is another movie that found its
audience long after it was new.
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One of the staples of cult films
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is randy teenagers
doing terrible things.
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When Sean Penn comes on screen
as Spicoli,
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for a moment or 70,
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I thought
where did they get this guy?
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It seemed like a non-pro.
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They had found a surfer
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and just threw him
in this thing.
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It captures a moment in time,
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like L.A. at that time I think,
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you know, when we were
back on the East Coast.
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It seems like this is what
living in Los Angeles is like.
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Everyone had their favorites.
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You know, I was of
the Judge Reinhold.
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I loved him.
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If those performances
do live on,
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along with the originality
of the story
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and the storytelling,
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it resonates with people
for much longer.
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It's a slice of life
of growing up.
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I owe my life to Sean Penn.
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I know that dude.
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Mr. Spicoli.
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That's the name they gave me.
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"Fast Times at Ridgemont High"
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is a year in the life
of this high school.
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Cameron Crowe, the writer,
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went underground and sort of
embedded in high school.
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He was like maybe 20.
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And he befriended
a number of students
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and got very close to them
and wrote a book.
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Really very true to life,
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and you just feel like
you've been in high school.
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It just transcends generations.
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You know, Damone,
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I noticed I was starting
to get a pimple this morning...
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Rat, the shyness routine is
really starting to aggravate me.
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You know, I've got 14-year-old
kids coming up to me
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like, oh, my God, man,
I love your Damone.
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Hey, you got any tickets?
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Got any Blue Oyster Cult?
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No, I don't have any
Blue Oyster Cult.
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I ate 34 pairs last time around.
Where were you?
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I was that close to working
at 7-Eleven, you know.
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To me, "Fast Times
at Ridgemont High"
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stands out among all the other
eighties teen movies
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because it has this credibility
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that you just don't see
in the other ones.
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I mean, it's the first time
you ever have a sex scene
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between a young girl and a boy
from the woman's point of view.
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You know, she's looking up,
I guess they're in a dugout.
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I think they see "Surf Nazis"
or something.
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And we're really seeing
not this romanticized nudity,
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but this kind of grotty uncomfortableness.
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And later the character
will say, you know, I realize...
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I don't want sex.
Anyone can have sex.
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Yeah, Stacy, what do you want?
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I just want a relationship.
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And it's so honest.
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I really wanted to stick
to that whole idea of a year
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and what happens to the people
and their character arcs
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over the course of a year.
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That was my skull.
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I'm so wasted.
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Don't worry, Spicoli.
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You'll probably squeak by.
Yeah!
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I think a lot of teen movies
have the sense
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that nothing you do while
you're in high school matters,
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and therefore the film itself
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doesn't think
any of it really matters.
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It's just fun,
it's just comedy, it's hijinks,
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there's like panty raids
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and people
getting pie in the face
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and giant cafeteria food fights.
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But "Fast Times" takes
a kid's struggle seriously.
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Like a kid wants to work
at this restaurant
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and not that restaurant.
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And when you're an adult,
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you might think
that that's silly,
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but for the kid, it makes all
the difference in the world.
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It says 100% guaranteed,
you moron.
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Mister, if you don't shut up,
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I'm going to kick
100% of your ass.
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And it has a really nice
balance and sympathy
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between the female characters
and the male characters.
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And I think
that's one of the things
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that makes it a mass cult movie
or a universal cult movie.
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The thing that strikes me
about our cast
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and why I think people
connect with this movie
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is everybody was so serious
about their craft.
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You know,
it takes a lot of courage
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to get up here and do something
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that you know
people will make fun of.
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For me, most of the fun
was going down to the set
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when I wasn't working
and watching everybody else.
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Like sitting and watching
Sean Penn do a scene,
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and I'd think to myself,
my God, the guy's good.
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I've been thinking
about this, Mr. Hand.
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If I'm here and you're here,
doesn't that make it our time?
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Oh, gnarley.
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Wait a minute. There's no
birthday party for me here.
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And Sean, he'd never really
smoked pot in his life.
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He was completely
in character at all times.
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Hey, Bud, let's party.
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When Damone
gives the five-point plan,
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he tells Ratner
to put on a certain album.
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Now this
is most important, Rat.
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When it comes down
to making out,
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whenever possible put on
side one of Led Zeppelin IV.
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You know, almost every day
somebody comes up to me
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and says, you know when you say
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put on side one
of Led Zeppelin IV
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and "Kashmir" comes on?
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That's the wrong song.
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The song "Kashmir" was so
wonderfully scary and ominous
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that it just felt like,
oh, my God, I'm on a date.
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What am I going to do?
It was like, you know.
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I don't know if I can hum, but...
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So either Mark Ratner
didn't have that album
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or they already
played that album
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and now they're up
to the next one.
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it's like one of those things
that's up for interpretation.
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Universal Pictures presents
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everything you always
wanted to do in high school.
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See "Fast Times
at Ridgemont High."
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When we first showed
"Fast Times"
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in a screening
for a recruited audience,
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what does this movie need
or what would you add?
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And one person wrote, more muff.
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Yeah, the movie
had an X rating
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because of the scene
in the pool house.
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When I knew
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that we were going to have this
character lose her virginity,
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that that meant naked women
and guys with their shirts off.
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And I thought, well,
that's not right.
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What if both people were naked?
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I can't remember
if it was frontal nudity
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or side-al nudity.
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And when the studio
saw the cut
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and sent it to the rating board,
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the rating board said
that's an automatic X.
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Are you okay?
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Uh, I think I came.
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Didn't you feel it?
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Yeah, I guess I did.
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I think that they said
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you can't have that scene
and the carrot scene,
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so you got to have
one or the other.
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You've never given
a blow job? Never?
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Stace, there's nothing to it.
It's so easy.
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Relax your throat muscles.
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Don't bite.
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Slide it in.
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Go ahead.
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So I think they cut down
the pool house scene.
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When Phoebe Cates
comes out of the water,
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I think
that was every boy's fantasy
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and like Phoebe Cates
became this like icon
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of what was beautiful
in the eighties.
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Oh, my God. That was like
pulling teeth with her.
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"You don't really need it.
You don't..."
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"Yes, I do."
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Oh, wait just a minute.
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I love Amy Heckerling.
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Like a great teacher
who works with the student,
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she gives them what they need.
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I thought this is somebody
I can learn from.
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When it was time
for the movie to be coming out,
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the studio was kind of wary.
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I didn't see anything that was
really so horrible and shocking
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that we did
in the movie, myself.
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They thought, well,
nobody's going to like this
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except maybe some people
in California.
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But I did get a phone call
from a friend,
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who said, they might not
release the movie.
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So they had a release
of 200 theaters
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and only on the West Coast.
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Just everything sunk.
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I felt like my teeth
must've fallen out of my mouth
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or, you know, my heart
fell to my ankles.
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And they thought, oh, well,
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we'll put it out in the rest
of the country real quick
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with no advertising or anything.
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How could they do
something like that?
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And thank goodness I was right,
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because now we're in
the Library of Congress.
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I guess when you put
all the talent together
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and you put Cameron Crowe
and Amy Heckerling
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and a little bit of mojo,
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it became
a lot more than that, you know.
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I'm very surprised that it
gets all the accolades it does
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because I just remember
making it,
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going, oh, I hope
this makes enough money
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so that I could do
another movie.
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The fact that anybody knows it
so many years later
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is just shocking to me.
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The thing about a Corman movie
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is you'll get, you know,
the lowest salary in the world
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and that there's nothing else.
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You have to make everything up.
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Blowing up the high school.
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That was the hook that made
Roger really want to make it.
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Hi, everybody.
I'm Riff Randall
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and this is
Rock 'N' Roll High School.
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So the plot
to "Rock 'N' Roll High School?"
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It's very simple.
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The school authorities hate
rock music and want to stop it.
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Riff Randall
lives for rock music.
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Riff Randall is desperate
to get one of her songs
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to her favorite band
the Ramones.
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She gets in trouble
with the school,
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and the principal takes all
their rock 'n' roll records
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and burns them.
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So Riff and the school
authorities bump heads.
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Ultimately we take over
the high school.
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The Ramones arrive,
they have a concert,
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and they blow up the school.
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My character
is the heroine of the movie.
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Simple.
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It had all the ingredients
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nonconformist characters,
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rebellious young people,
you know.
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It's like "Animal House,"
except in a high school.
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Allan said he saw me
in "Halloween."
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He'd seen me in "Carrie,"
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and I auditioned three times.
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I was 28 years old at the time.
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Yes. I don't think age
ever came up.
234
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I had the energy.
235
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In fact, I spent all
of my intended to be salary,
236
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which was $2,100...
237
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on my wardrobe
once I got the part.
238
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And then I said to Allan,
what is your choice?
239
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And he said P.J.
240
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I said we're in
a great situation here
241
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because P.J. is my choice, too.
242
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P. J. Soles' character
243
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was just this bubbly ball
of energy.
244
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She was kind of like Sandra Dee
to the nth degree.
245
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Riff Randall.
246
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Just the way she says, I'm
Riff Randall, rock 'n' roller.
247
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And who are you?
248
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I'm Riff Randall,
rock 'n' roller.
249
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I just love that.
250
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Miss Togar. Okay,
let's talk about Miss Togar.
251
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Mary was sort of an in-house
favorite here.
252
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Everybody loved her performance
in "Death Race,"
253
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and she just seemed right
for Miss Togar.
254
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She loves to be really nasty.
255
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Oh, really?
256
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And she knows no bounds.
257
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skirts below their knees.
258
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above their collar.
259
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She could just do
whatever she likes,
260
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and she's just
a horrible person.
261
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If this school is going to get
back on the winning track,
262
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we have to start cracking down immediately.
263
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And I know just where to begin.
264
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So I was perfect.
265
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I knew then, all of a sudden
once I met Mary,
266
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that she had been a whip dancer
for the Velvet Underground,
267
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which raised her beyond category
268
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in my book of people
I want to know.
269
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And she was the funniest person.
270
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she is the number one guest star
271
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on the most popular episode
of "Charlie's Angels" ever.
272
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She plays the prison warden
273
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in the episode
where the Angels go to prison.
274
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Get cute in here
and you can get hurt.
275
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Everybody just worked together
so hard.
276
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And we all agreed that
the best line in the movie was,
277
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do your parents
know you're Ramones?
278
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Do your parents know
that you're Ramones?
279
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August 12th of 1964,
280
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and I saw the first evening show
of "Hard Days Night."
281
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Richard Lester's style
282
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and the editing
283
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and the attitude,
the us versus them.
284
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Are you a mod or a rocker?
285
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Oh, no, I'm a mocker.
286
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The sense of the younger
people knowing something
287
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that the older people didn't.
288
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So that was a huge influence.
289
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The idea behind it originally
was to feature Cheap Trick,
290
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who were just sort of
coming into their own then.
291
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And I'm not sure what happened.
292
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They were touring
and they were starting to break.
293
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They wanted $50,000.
294
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What about the Ramones?
295
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"Rocket to Russia"
is a fantastic record.
296
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It has the thing
that's Riff Randall.
297
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She's a girl from the suburbs
who wants to be a punk rocker.
298
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And the thing that I love
about the Ramones
299
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is they are like the Beach Boys
backed with chainsaws.
300
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Allan played their music
for me and said he liked them,
301
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and I thought,
these guys are great.
302
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I agree with you.
303
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I think I left that day
304
00:14:13,438 --> 00:14:14,888
and Allan gave me a cassette
of the Ramones.
305
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He said, okay, go home,
learn these songs,
306
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and, you know,
you're their number one fan.
307
00:14:19,893 --> 00:14:22,585
And we had been listing
to the Eagles and Linda Ronstadt
308
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and Jackson Browne
and Joni Mitchell.
309
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And I pressed play
and we're like, is that music?
310
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We were freaking out.
311
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I was with the Beatles
and the Rolling Stones
312
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at a previous time,
313
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but the Ramones
are now my favorite group.
314
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The Ramones?
315
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I worked with
the Velvet Underground.
316
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Ramones?
317
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Not at all.
318
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As a matter of fact,
I thought they were nuts.
319
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They stayed in a room
the whole time.
320
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They only demanded a TV
321
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and something like, you know,
potato chips every 24 hours.
322
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They were insane.
323
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But they did
whatever they were told.
324
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They weren't very good
at lines,
325
00:15:04,317 --> 00:15:06,077
and Dee Dee couldn't remember...
326
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I think the line is,
pizza, I want some.
327
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- Hey, pizza. Great.
- Let's dig in.
328
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Yeah, I want some.
329
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I think that was like
12 takes.
330
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They were so sweet.
331
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Just sweet, and half of them
were pretty stupid.
332
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It was just brilliant
to cast them
333
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because they are 50%, 80%
of the movie I would say.
334
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We talked about the set,
335
00:15:28,513 --> 00:15:30,239
and they basically told me
they wanted to start
336
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with "Hey, Ho, Let's Go."
337
00:15:43,632 --> 00:15:45,427
And they really didn't
want to do "She's The One,"
338
00:15:45,461 --> 00:15:47,670
but they did
because that was the story.
339
00:15:47,705 --> 00:15:49,534
Love, your number one fan,
Riff Randall.
340
00:15:51,985 --> 00:15:54,643
When you work for Roger,
you've got to be really smart.
341
00:15:54,677 --> 00:15:57,957
In order to stage the concert
at the Rockatorium,
342
00:15:57,991 --> 00:16:00,269
we put up flyers everywhere
343
00:16:00,304 --> 00:16:04,964
and we charged the extras money
to be in the movie.
344
00:16:04,998 --> 00:16:06,793
They did
all these stings, man.
345
00:16:06,827 --> 00:16:08,277
They would turn the clocks back
346
00:16:08,312 --> 00:16:10,659
so they didn't
have to pay overtime.
347
00:16:10,693 --> 00:16:12,799
Everyone knew
it was going to be the Ramones
348
00:16:12,833 --> 00:16:14,490
were going to be playing
all day long,
349
00:16:14,525 --> 00:16:17,286
and it was only two bucks
to go see them.
350
00:16:17,321 --> 00:16:18,460
I'm mean, these people
weren't actors.
351
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They were just people,
you know,
352
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supposedly going to see a show.
353
00:16:22,222 --> 00:16:24,466
So if you look
in the audience,
354
00:16:24,500 --> 00:16:26,847
it is the L.A. punk scene.
355
00:16:26,882 --> 00:16:30,299
You can point them out.
Darby Crash is at the front row.
356
00:16:30,334 --> 00:16:32,198
And then
we blow up the high school.
357
00:16:32,232 --> 00:16:35,028
I remember everybody saying,
do not stay near the school,
358
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do not stay near the school.
359
00:16:36,340 --> 00:16:38,998
Because Corman
used to use this guy.
360
00:16:39,032 --> 00:16:42,311
And this guy's name
was Three Fingered Harry.
361
00:16:42,346 --> 00:16:44,175
And then you heard
he had a weird reputation
362
00:16:44,210 --> 00:16:46,384
for like loving
to blow things up.
363
00:16:46,419 --> 00:16:49,663
And I had worked with
Three Fingered Harry before.
364
00:16:49,698 --> 00:16:53,012
And you knew that when Harry
said this is going to blow up
365
00:16:53,046 --> 00:16:54,841
and you'll be safe
if you stand there,
366
00:16:54,875 --> 00:16:57,499
everyone in the crew
backed up 50 feet.
367
00:16:57,533 --> 00:16:59,225
Then he blew too much up.
368
00:17:02,952 --> 00:17:04,920
And the Ramones all thought
it was the greatest.
369
00:17:04,954 --> 00:17:06,197
That's their favorite thing.
370
00:17:06,232 --> 00:17:07,854
When the school blew up,
371
00:17:07,888 --> 00:17:09,373
I mean, they just thought
that was so cool.
372
00:17:09,407 --> 00:17:12,065
The fan base
for "Rock 'N' Roll High School"
373
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almost seems to grow.
374
00:17:14,723 --> 00:17:18,520
For instance,
I was there with Allan
375
00:17:18,554 --> 00:17:23,525
at a screening in the
Hollywood Cemetery at midnight,
376
00:17:23,559 --> 00:17:25,423
where against one wall
377
00:17:25,458 --> 00:17:28,530
they played
"Rock 'N' Roll High School."
378
00:17:28,564 --> 00:17:30,394
And the cemetery was filled.
379
00:17:30,428 --> 00:17:32,189
It was probably
the most lively night
380
00:17:32,223 --> 00:17:34,708
that cemetery had ever seen.
381
00:17:34,743 --> 00:17:36,607
One of the things
that makes the movie work
382
00:17:36,641 --> 00:17:37,953
that I think
is one of the things
383
00:17:37,987 --> 00:17:39,955
that makes cult movies work,
384
00:17:39,989 --> 00:17:43,096
that they are like albums.
385
00:17:43,131 --> 00:17:46,237
You play it over and over again
because you love it.
386
00:17:46,272 --> 00:17:48,239
And then you play it
over and over again
387
00:17:48,274 --> 00:17:49,792
because as time goes on,
388
00:17:49,827 --> 00:17:52,209
you remember how you felt
when you first played it.
389
00:17:52,243 --> 00:17:54,211
And that goes round and round.
390
00:17:54,245 --> 00:17:56,282
And that's why
they become cult movies.
391
00:17:59,595 --> 00:18:01,287
It's a very simple plot.
392
00:18:01,321 --> 00:18:05,118
It's essentially
"Romeo and Juliet"
393
00:18:05,153 --> 00:18:07,396
in Hollywood and the Valley.
394
00:18:07,431 --> 00:18:09,260
But nobody dies in the end.
395
00:18:10,813 --> 00:18:12,781
Hot. Very hot.
396
00:18:12,815 --> 00:18:15,128
Which one?
397
00:18:15,163 --> 00:18:17,924
If you take
the "Romeo and Juliet" idea
398
00:18:17,958 --> 00:18:20,444
and apply it to anything,
it's just a good idea.
399
00:18:20,478 --> 00:18:21,790
I mean, let's leave the party.
400
00:18:21,824 --> 00:18:23,585
I'm so sure.
401
00:18:23,619 --> 00:18:24,827
Well, here's
what I'll tell you
402
00:18:24,862 --> 00:18:26,588
about the use of Val speak
in the movie.
403
00:18:26,622 --> 00:18:30,281
Scarfing up everything
in sight. I'm sure.
404
00:18:30,316 --> 00:18:33,146
I don't know, you know like,
oh, I get so fat and all.
405
00:18:33,181 --> 00:18:36,598
And what happened to my zits?
I get so grotty.
406
00:18:36,632 --> 00:18:38,117
We made an earnest effort
407
00:18:38,151 --> 00:18:41,844
to infuse it
in the beginning of the movie,
408
00:18:41,879 --> 00:18:45,503
sort of set that world,
define that universe,
409
00:18:45,538 --> 00:18:47,264
and I think the audience
410
00:18:47,298 --> 00:18:51,475
sort of takes that with them
throughout was the plan.
411
00:18:51,509 --> 00:18:52,786
Right, and I tell everybody
412
00:18:52,821 --> 00:18:54,995
I covered up
not knowing Valley girl.
413
00:18:55,030 --> 00:18:56,687
I did listen to Valley girls,
414
00:18:56,721 --> 00:18:58,447
but I thought the way for me
415
00:18:58,482 --> 00:19:01,278
to justify my character Loryn
being a Valley girl
416
00:19:01,312 --> 00:19:02,865
was that she had the secret,
417
00:19:02,900 --> 00:19:05,144
which was that
she really was from Malibu.
418
00:19:05,178 --> 00:19:08,181
So like she sort of talked
like a surfer chick, really.
419
00:19:08,216 --> 00:19:12,703
But that's kind of like Valley,
like for sure.
420
00:19:12,737 --> 00:19:14,498
Your mom's so cool.
421
00:19:14,532 --> 00:19:16,810
Your mom is so bitchin', Suzi.
422
00:19:16,845 --> 00:19:18,191
Give me that back, Loryn.
423
00:19:18,226 --> 00:19:19,986
You're too small for that.
424
00:19:20,020 --> 00:19:21,194
I am not too small.
425
00:19:21,229 --> 00:19:23,300
I look totally hot in this.
Totally.
426
00:19:23,334 --> 00:19:25,716
You know, it's like that.
So it just kind of worked.
427
00:19:25,750 --> 00:19:28,822
Because "Valley Girl"
takes place in Hollywood
428
00:19:28,857 --> 00:19:32,999
and the San Fernando Valley
of the 1980s,
429
00:19:33,033 --> 00:19:35,484
and we had to make a difference
between them,
430
00:19:35,519 --> 00:19:38,315
the film itself
sort of looks at both cultures
431
00:19:38,349 --> 00:19:40,006
and tries to tell us something
432
00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,215
about how they feel
about themselves.
433
00:19:42,250 --> 00:19:43,906
Why don't you get out of here?
434
00:19:43,941 --> 00:19:45,701
You make me get out of here.
435
00:19:45,736 --> 00:19:48,325
Because the Valley people
in my movie
436
00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,913
hate the Hollywood people,
and the Hollywood people
437
00:19:50,948 --> 00:19:53,675
hate the Valley people
more than reality.
438
00:19:53,709 --> 00:19:57,748
I made that
more of an important fiction.
439
00:19:57,782 --> 00:20:01,234
I really started getting
a little irritated
440
00:20:01,269 --> 00:20:04,686
because all the guys that came
in for Randy were gorgeous.
441
00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,689
And I said, you know,
let's look at some other people.
442
00:20:07,723 --> 00:20:09,069
Let's look at some people
443
00:20:09,104 --> 00:20:12,694
who are not gorgeous
in the traditional sense.
444
00:20:12,728 --> 00:20:14,523
And I went over
to the reject pile,
445
00:20:14,558 --> 00:20:18,251
and at the top of the
reject pile was Nicholas Cage.
446
00:20:18,286 --> 00:20:20,598
So I picked up the picture,
held it up,
447
00:20:20,633 --> 00:20:23,705
and said why don't you bring in
him and people like this?
448
00:20:23,739 --> 00:20:26,363
I said, he's great.
That's our Randy.
449
00:20:26,397 --> 00:20:29,400
One of the things that
would help make the clarity
450
00:20:29,435 --> 00:20:34,612
between the Valley
and Hollywood obvious
451
00:20:34,647 --> 00:20:38,616
was if I had a tough band
playing the Hollywood band.
452
00:20:38,651 --> 00:20:40,273
I wanted X
453
00:20:40,308 --> 00:20:43,725
because I thought they were
really different and radical,
454
00:20:43,759 --> 00:20:45,727
and they were very interested.
455
00:20:45,761 --> 00:20:47,073
Then we read the script
456
00:20:47,107 --> 00:20:48,385
and thought
this is a fucking dumb movie.
457
00:20:48,419 --> 00:20:50,110
Why do we want to be in that?
458
00:20:50,145 --> 00:20:52,803
I mean, I guess
it's a cult thing
459
00:20:52,837 --> 00:20:55,254
and, you know, Nicholas Cage
is in it and all that shit.
460
00:20:55,288 --> 00:20:58,774
But like...
461
00:20:58,809 --> 00:21:00,742
Whatever.
462
00:21:00,776 --> 00:21:03,469
We ended up going to
the Plimsouls, which was great.
463
00:21:03,503 --> 00:21:05,091
I mean,
I was a huge Plimsouls fan,
464
00:21:05,125 --> 00:21:07,473
so when they, you know,
came into it,
465
00:21:07,507 --> 00:21:09,129
I was really excited.
466
00:21:09,164 --> 00:21:10,752
I remember Nick was like,
we got Frederic Forrest.
467
00:21:10,786 --> 00:21:12,271
I'm like,
we got the Plimsouls.
468
00:21:20,140 --> 00:21:22,453
I mean, "Melt With You"
and " Million Miles Away"
469
00:21:22,488 --> 00:21:24,800
which I'd heard
before "Valley Girl,"
470
00:21:24,835 --> 00:21:26,595
and I just thought
that's an anthem.
471
00:21:29,667 --> 00:21:32,291
Back then, all these movies
were about getting laid.
472
00:21:32,325 --> 00:21:34,603
Our movie was not about
getting laid at all.
473
00:21:34,638 --> 00:21:36,778
Our movie
was about being in love,
474
00:21:36,812 --> 00:21:40,782
and I think that's what made it
a surprise success
475
00:21:40,816 --> 00:21:42,956
and I think that's
what's made it enduring.
476
00:21:42,991 --> 00:21:46,339
We were not aware
of the circumstances
477
00:21:46,374 --> 00:21:48,790
that the actors
were living under.
478
00:21:48,824 --> 00:21:51,655
Yeah, Nick did live
in his car.
479
00:21:51,689 --> 00:21:53,035
Once I found that out,
480
00:21:53,070 --> 00:21:55,659
I said, Nick,
you can't live in your car.
481
00:21:55,693 --> 00:21:58,006
This is before cell phones,
too, you know,
482
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,665
so they'd have to just kind of
trust he was going to be there.
483
00:22:01,699 --> 00:22:03,529
Want a light?
484
00:22:03,563 --> 00:22:05,358
Hey, fuck you, scum.
485
00:22:05,393 --> 00:22:08,188
But he was so there
and so solid.
486
00:22:08,223 --> 00:22:10,156
You're a dumb
son of a bitch, man.
487
00:22:10,190 --> 00:22:11,537
Guys like that will kill you.
488
00:22:11,571 --> 00:22:12,710
Fuck 'em.
489
00:22:12,745 --> 00:22:14,333
Everyone dated Nick
at that time.
490
00:22:14,367 --> 00:22:15,989
Everyone was making out
with everyone at that time.
491
00:22:16,024 --> 00:22:18,164
I made out with Nick
at that time, too.
492
00:22:18,198 --> 00:22:19,234
Everybody did.
493
00:22:19,268 --> 00:22:20,994
- Yeah.
- It was just that movie
494
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:23,031
where it was like, you made out
with Nick in the trailer?
495
00:22:23,065 --> 00:22:24,653
So did I. I made out
with Nick in the trailer.
496
00:22:24,688 --> 00:22:27,000
It was like everybody
was making out with everyone.
497
00:22:27,035 --> 00:22:29,865
That's what happens
when you do a movie sometimes.
498
00:22:29,900 --> 00:22:31,833
I've got flexible hours.
499
00:22:31,867 --> 00:22:34,249
Deborah and Nick were seeing
each other at one point.
500
00:22:34,283 --> 00:22:36,182
So I didn't find out
501
00:22:36,216 --> 00:22:39,530
until the very end of the film
that they were dating.
502
00:22:39,565 --> 00:22:41,843
Don't tell me what to do.
503
00:22:41,877 --> 00:22:44,363
You have no control
over my life.
504
00:22:44,397 --> 00:22:47,711
Because there was a day
when she just couldn't...
505
00:22:47,745 --> 00:22:49,368
Neither one of them could act.
506
00:22:49,402 --> 00:22:50,541
That was it.
507
00:22:50,576 --> 00:22:52,198
It was just like breaking up
at the door.
508
00:22:52,232 --> 00:22:53,372
They couldn't act.
509
00:22:53,406 --> 00:22:54,269
I love you.
510
00:22:56,133 --> 00:22:57,859
That's all I wanted to say.
511
00:22:57,893 --> 00:22:59,274
So we had to close down
for a sec
512
00:22:59,308 --> 00:23:01,759
and I had to talk to them both
and separate them
513
00:23:01,794 --> 00:23:03,899
and, you know, do all that.
514
00:23:03,934 --> 00:23:06,039
And that's when they said,
no, we're dating,
515
00:23:06,074 --> 00:23:08,076
and I suddenly realized,
oh, my God,
516
00:23:08,110 --> 00:23:10,423
that's not going to work out,
not at all.
517
00:23:10,458 --> 00:23:12,252
Just forget
I ever tried to save you
518
00:23:12,287 --> 00:23:14,220
from your miserable existence.
519
00:23:14,254 --> 00:23:17,257
Cameron Dye
was such a great guy.
520
00:23:17,292 --> 00:23:21,054
He was so easy to work with,
so fun, full of energy,
521
00:23:21,089 --> 00:23:26,750
full of ideas,
and a great bounce off for Nick.
522
00:23:26,784 --> 00:23:28,545
It was a very good combo.
523
00:23:28,579 --> 00:23:30,409
Come off that, man.
524
00:23:30,443 --> 00:23:33,412
Hey, look, if you want
this girl so bad,
525
00:23:33,446 --> 00:23:36,311
why don't you do
something about it?
526
00:23:36,345 --> 00:23:38,071
Why wasn't Deborah Foreman
on the poster?
527
00:23:38,106 --> 00:23:41,074
You should call Deborah Foreman
and ask her.
528
00:23:41,109 --> 00:23:45,113
Debbie had said
to the producers, I didn't know,
529
00:23:45,147 --> 00:23:46,735
that she wanted to be paid.
530
00:23:46,770 --> 00:23:49,117
The distributor
was not going to pay her
531
00:23:49,151 --> 00:23:50,912
to come in and do promotion
532
00:23:50,946 --> 00:23:56,331
for a movie that she should be
thrilled to support and promote.
533
00:23:56,365 --> 00:23:57,919
But that's not the way
she saw it.
534
00:23:57,953 --> 00:24:02,095
And so they called her bluff
and they hired a model. Sad.
535
00:24:02,130 --> 00:24:03,787
I feel badly.
536
00:24:03,821 --> 00:24:06,790
I mean, my leading lady
of "Valley Girl"
537
00:24:06,824 --> 00:24:10,138
is not in the poster,
which is too bad.
538
00:24:10,172 --> 00:24:11,450
Because you know what?
539
00:24:11,484 --> 00:24:12,934
"Valley Girl" got out there,
people saw it,
540
00:24:12,968 --> 00:24:16,316
I was aware of that,
and that got me a career.
541
00:24:16,351 --> 00:24:20,769
So that was what, in a way,
"Valley Girl" really counted as.
542
00:24:20,804 --> 00:24:23,634
I wanted a film that
you could get more out of
543
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:25,464
if you saw it more than once.
544
00:24:25,498 --> 00:24:28,812
I forget sometimes
it's a cult film, you know.
545
00:24:28,846 --> 00:24:30,848
It's like
a lot of people saw it.
546
00:24:30,883 --> 00:24:34,680
It wasn't a blockbuster or,
you know, a big budget movie.
547
00:24:34,714 --> 00:24:38,028
People stop me and say, it was
so much a part of my growing up,
548
00:24:38,062 --> 00:24:40,479
and that's a great thing
to hear.
549
00:24:40,513 --> 00:24:45,967
And those pieces of that movie
that were so comforting
550
00:24:46,001 --> 00:24:48,314
you get to carry with you
for decades
551
00:24:48,348 --> 00:24:49,626
and decades after that
552
00:24:49,660 --> 00:24:51,973
and share it
with the people that you love.
553
00:24:52,007 --> 00:24:56,011
And those to me are the movies
that we all hope to make.
554
00:24:57,357 --> 00:24:58,497
"Napoleon Dynamite."
555
00:24:58,531 --> 00:24:59,843
Have we talked at all
556
00:24:59,877 --> 00:25:02,017
about like production design
in these movies,
557
00:25:02,052 --> 00:25:05,676
how sometimes that actually
adds to the, you know...
558
00:25:05,711 --> 00:25:09,162
People that are essentially
teenagers and outsiders
559
00:25:09,197 --> 00:25:10,405
and you go to a movie
560
00:25:10,439 --> 00:25:13,339
and you see a cool T-shirt
or a cool hairdo
561
00:25:13,373 --> 00:25:16,998
or someone's wearing a vintage
leather jacket, you know,
562
00:25:17,032 --> 00:25:20,208
you pick up upon those things.
563
00:25:20,242 --> 00:25:22,555
But wasn't it
insanely successful?
564
00:25:22,590 --> 00:25:24,350
There is a cult aspect
to that.
565
00:25:24,384 --> 00:25:26,421
- No big stars, you know.
- Right.
566
00:25:26,455 --> 00:25:27,836
It's purely on word-of-mouth.
567
00:25:27,871 --> 00:25:29,666
It's purely people
who love the movie.
568
00:25:29,700 --> 00:25:34,187
But that's the essence of cult
is it's passed down.
569
00:25:34,222 --> 00:25:36,017
Turning people on to it.
570
00:25:36,051 --> 00:25:38,847
- And you can't spend money.
- The advertising can't buy it.
571
00:25:38,882 --> 00:25:43,024
Was Napoleon Dynamite, did he
look like a nerd Eraserhead?
572
00:25:43,058 --> 00:25:45,716
A little bit. Giant glasses,
big curly blond hair.
573
00:25:45,751 --> 00:25:49,202
Yeah, but that look
then became very popular.
574
00:25:49,237 --> 00:25:52,378
Everybody needed their
"Vote for Pedro," you know.
575
00:25:52,412 --> 00:25:55,554
And carrying tater tots
in your pocket became okay.
576
00:25:55,588 --> 00:25:57,107
Tater tots
became very popular.
577
00:25:57,141 --> 00:25:59,903
- Yeah, well, thankfully.
- Re-popular.
578
00:26:01,594 --> 00:26:05,564
There are people today
in the rap field, you know,
579
00:26:05,598 --> 00:26:07,289
that just like,
man, you Lafawnduh?
580
00:26:07,324 --> 00:26:09,775
Like I got to call you
Lafawnduh forever.
581
00:26:09,809 --> 00:26:12,053
If I have one regret in life,
582
00:26:12,087 --> 00:26:14,124
it's that I didn't take
those pants.
583
00:26:14,158 --> 00:26:16,885
Most people either request or
say what's your favorite line?
584
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,887
It's probably,
Tina, you fat lard.
585
00:26:18,922 --> 00:26:20,130
Come get some dinner.
586
00:26:20,164 --> 00:26:23,236
Tina, you fat lard.
Come get some dinner.
587
00:26:23,271 --> 00:26:25,722
You know, the thing about cult
films I think that it just...
588
00:26:25,756 --> 00:26:28,897
I mean, it just takes
any paradigm
589
00:26:28,932 --> 00:26:31,417
and kind of turns it on its side
a little bit.
590
00:26:31,451 --> 00:26:34,109
The film became
a piece of pop culture
591
00:26:34,144 --> 00:26:36,733
because it was its own thing,
and it didn't reference.
592
00:26:36,767 --> 00:26:38,458
It was one of those films,
593
00:26:38,493 --> 00:26:41,082
and I think what helps it
to live on
594
00:26:41,116 --> 00:26:42,739
through different generations,
595
00:26:42,773 --> 00:26:44,499
is because there's
a timelessness to it.
596
00:26:44,533 --> 00:26:48,745
I think the thing that makes
that film resonate is the...
597
00:26:50,367 --> 00:26:52,783
That, too.
The universality.
598
00:26:52,818 --> 00:26:57,650
He's an underdog, and I think
that type of story...
599
00:26:59,790 --> 00:27:01,136
Never gets old.
600
00:27:01,171 --> 00:27:02,275
I mean, there was the struggle
601
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:03,829
that everybody was having.
602
00:27:03,863 --> 00:27:06,625
I mean, you know, Kip
was chatting with babes online
603
00:27:06,659 --> 00:27:10,663
and then deciding to go to,
you know, kung fu school.
604
00:27:10,698 --> 00:27:12,769
And Napoleon
was just trying to figure out
605
00:27:12,803 --> 00:27:14,322
where he fit in the world.
606
00:27:14,356 --> 00:27:16,945
I mean, everybody
was just trying to just fit.
607
00:27:16,980 --> 00:27:18,947
This was really to me
608
00:27:18,982 --> 00:27:24,677
capturing the essence
of what a loser/nerd/geek/
609
00:27:24,712 --> 00:27:27,542
really kind of
underdog character.
610
00:27:27,576 --> 00:27:30,683
Plus I read it,
and I was like, this is me.
611
00:27:30,718 --> 00:27:32,547
This is me
and my younger brothers.
612
00:27:37,414 --> 00:27:40,141
The side ponytail,
the little fountain.
613
00:27:40,175 --> 00:27:41,970
Your hair looked great today.
614
00:27:42,005 --> 00:27:43,696
The crimped hair.
Those hairstyles
615
00:27:43,731 --> 00:27:46,561
did come from my childhood.
616
00:27:46,595 --> 00:27:49,529
I think that everybody
relates to him
617
00:27:49,564 --> 00:27:51,324
in different ways as well,
618
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,708
because it's either
you share qualities with him
619
00:27:55,743 --> 00:27:58,504
or you knew somebody in school
like him.
620
00:28:06,374 --> 00:28:08,825
Jared and his wife Jerusha,
621
00:28:08,859 --> 00:28:11,241
they built this perfect script
622
00:28:11,275 --> 00:28:13,519
that had like every single line
was a great line.
623
00:28:13,553 --> 00:28:15,038
What did you do
all last summer again?
624
00:28:15,072 --> 00:28:17,178
I told you. I spent it
with my uncle in Alaska
625
00:28:17,212 --> 00:28:18,697
hunting wolverines.
626
00:28:18,731 --> 00:28:20,353
Napoleon, don't be jealous,
627
00:28:20,388 --> 00:28:23,011
that I've been chatting online
with babes all day.
628
00:28:23,046 --> 00:28:25,565
Besides, we both know
I'm training
629
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:26,843
to become a cage fighter.
630
00:28:26,877 --> 00:28:29,708
Have you ever heard
of nylon polymer?
631
00:28:29,742 --> 00:28:31,192
Napoleon,
give me some of your tots.
632
00:28:31,226 --> 00:28:32,572
No. Go find your own.
633
00:28:34,057 --> 00:28:36,576
Would you like
to look like this?
634
00:28:36,611 --> 00:28:38,233
It took me like three hours
635
00:28:38,268 --> 00:28:39,890
to finish the shading
on your upper lip.
636
00:28:39,925 --> 00:28:43,031
All the drawings in the film
were done by me,
637
00:28:43,066 --> 00:28:45,378
except I will give credit
to our art director,
638
00:28:45,413 --> 00:28:48,865
who did do the unicorn
at the very beginning.
639
00:28:48,899 --> 00:28:50,211
"Napoleon" draws you in
640
00:28:50,245 --> 00:28:53,214
because it has a very
distinctive feel to it.
641
00:28:53,248 --> 00:28:55,216
And once you're in it,
you're in it to win it.
642
00:28:55,250 --> 00:28:56,596
You cannot turn it off.
643
00:28:56,631 --> 00:28:58,288
We didn't really think of it
as a comedy,
644
00:28:58,322 --> 00:29:00,221
even though we were like,
well, yeah.
645
00:29:00,255 --> 00:29:02,257
But it's its own kind of genre.
646
00:29:02,292 --> 00:29:04,915
It's just a film that
captures these weird people.
647
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:07,780
It was probably the silliest
funniest read of a script
648
00:29:07,815 --> 00:29:10,403
I've ever read.
649
00:29:10,438 --> 00:29:12,923
Basically, my manager had sent
it to me, and he was like...
650
00:29:12,958 --> 00:29:14,304
They were like,
I don't get it.
651
00:29:14,338 --> 00:29:15,754
These guys have no money.
652
00:29:15,788 --> 00:29:16,962
They have no money.
653
00:29:16,996 --> 00:29:18,411
We don't know who they are.
654
00:29:18,446 --> 00:29:19,654
There's nobody in it.
655
00:29:19,688 --> 00:29:21,587
I don't think
you should do it.
656
00:29:21,621 --> 00:29:22,795
Why do you want to do it?
657
00:29:22,830 --> 00:29:23,969
And I was like,
because it's great.
658
00:29:24,003 --> 00:29:25,660
I'm coming. I'll do it.
659
00:29:25,694 --> 00:29:28,076
I'll be there.
Tell them I'll drive.
660
00:29:28,111 --> 00:29:30,251
Jared Hess, who wrote
and directed the film,
661
00:29:30,285 --> 00:29:33,254
he grew up in Preston,
662
00:29:33,288 --> 00:29:36,636
and the film itself
was pretty much a memoir
663
00:29:36,671 --> 00:29:39,778
of his growing up experiences
664
00:29:39,812 --> 00:29:42,435
and the experiences
of his younger brothers.
665
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:46,681
I know he knew that the nerd
world should be respected.
666
00:29:46,715 --> 00:29:50,098
Yeah, that they are
as equally sexual and fun
667
00:29:50,133 --> 00:29:52,445
and zazzy
and all this other good jazz.
668
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,483
The dance scene at the end
was, uh...
669
00:29:55,517 --> 00:29:57,174
I just felt...
well, this is what I do
670
00:29:57,209 --> 00:29:58,486
when I mess around
with my friends.
671
00:29:58,520 --> 00:29:59,832
And I think
that's kind of the spirit
672
00:29:59,867 --> 00:30:01,489
that Jared wants to capture,
673
00:30:01,523 --> 00:30:03,940
so I'll just freestyle it.
674
00:30:03,974 --> 00:30:05,631
And we just did three takes,
675
00:30:05,665 --> 00:30:08,841
and then they just kind of
took the best bits.
676
00:30:08,876 --> 00:30:12,155
And I kept the original
"Vote For Pedro" T-shirt,
677
00:30:12,189 --> 00:30:16,021
which I then later traded in
for one of the original...
678
00:30:16,055 --> 00:30:18,126
What do they call them?
From Harry Potter.
679
00:30:18,161 --> 00:30:22,027
The little golden snitches.
Yeah.
680
00:30:22,061 --> 00:30:23,304
That's pretty sweet.
681
00:30:23,338 --> 00:30:24,512
After we shot the film,
682
00:30:24,546 --> 00:30:27,135
we had found out
that Napoleon Dynamite
683
00:30:27,170 --> 00:30:29,310
was actually an alter ego
684
00:30:29,344 --> 00:30:32,727
created for some
Elvis Costello album.
685
00:30:32,761 --> 00:30:34,729
We knew
we had something special
686
00:30:34,763 --> 00:30:38,181
when the whole town of Sundance,
everyone came to see our movie.
687
00:30:38,215 --> 00:30:40,977
And there were no spots available.
688
00:30:41,011 --> 00:30:42,530
It was 11:00 at night
689
00:30:42,564 --> 00:30:44,877
and people were
packing in there angrily
690
00:30:44,912 --> 00:30:46,223
to get to see this movie.
691
00:30:46,258 --> 00:30:47,880
We knew we had
something different,
692
00:30:47,915 --> 00:30:50,883
and we were perplexed.
693
00:30:50,918 --> 00:30:53,852
To have people receive it
the way that they did,
694
00:30:53,886 --> 00:30:57,510
you can't even describe it
as icing on the cake
695
00:30:57,545 --> 00:30:59,167
because it's so much more
than that.
696
00:30:59,202 --> 00:31:01,066
It's amazing,
697
00:31:01,100 --> 00:31:03,171
and I know that'll probably
never happen again.
698
00:31:03,206 --> 00:31:05,725
- People had signs.
- Lafawnduh, Lafawnduh.
699
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,210
I'm like, what is this?
700
00:31:07,244 --> 00:31:10,040
Honestly, it humbles my spirit.
701
00:31:10,075 --> 00:31:12,698
We're so thankful
and so grateful.
702
00:31:12,732 --> 00:31:16,529
Oh, do I have a favorite scene
in the movie?
703
00:31:16,564 --> 00:31:18,428
When he was doing the egg
704
00:31:18,462 --> 00:31:20,706
and they were all
trying to tell the guys
705
00:31:20,740 --> 00:31:22,708
and they were paying him
in pennies and coins.
706
00:31:22,742 --> 00:31:25,780
And you didn't know
what he was saying then.
707
00:31:25,814 --> 00:31:28,196
Over there in that creek, man,
708
00:31:28,231 --> 00:31:30,889
I found a couple
of Shoshone arrowheads.
709
00:31:30,923 --> 00:31:33,374
$6.00.
710
00:31:33,408 --> 00:31:36,584
That's like a dollar an hour.
711
00:31:36,618 --> 00:31:38,897
You know, in the script
it says
712
00:31:38,931 --> 00:31:40,381
that he talks like
a professional wrestler,
713
00:31:40,415 --> 00:31:42,038
so I think
I got it all from that.
714
00:31:42,072 --> 00:31:45,938
Come down today
for your free trial lesson.
715
00:31:45,973 --> 00:31:47,733
Break the wrist, walk away.
716
00:31:47,767 --> 00:31:49,286
Break the wrist, walk away.
717
00:31:49,321 --> 00:31:51,392
The other hand.
My other hand.
718
00:31:51,426 --> 00:31:53,394
Grab my arm.
The other arm.
719
00:31:53,428 --> 00:31:55,223
My other arm.
720
00:31:55,258 --> 00:31:56,776
Okay, now watch this.
721
00:31:56,811 --> 00:31:58,399
I'm just going to break
the wrist and walk away.
722
00:31:58,433 --> 00:32:00,228
Break the wrist, walk away.
723
00:32:00,263 --> 00:32:01,609
Jeez.
724
00:32:01,643 --> 00:32:04,474
The scene where Uncle Rico
throws the steak.
725
00:32:04,508 --> 00:32:06,786
Like most films, you have
some prop guy, you know.
726
00:32:06,821 --> 00:32:08,305
They kept throwing
and throwing and missing.
727
00:32:08,340 --> 00:32:11,101
I don't know, it could have been
10, 15 times.
728
00:32:11,136 --> 00:32:13,966
And it just would always
like maybe nick my hair
729
00:32:14,001 --> 00:32:15,934
or get right by me.
730
00:32:15,968 --> 00:32:17,280
Finally Jared Hess was saying,
731
00:32:17,314 --> 00:32:18,764
hey, I think we should move in
732
00:32:18,798 --> 00:32:20,939
and just shoot it close
and just hit him close.
733
00:32:20,973 --> 00:32:24,770
And I just said if you do that,
you've ruined the joke.
734
00:32:24,804 --> 00:32:26,427
And finally it was actually
John Gries...
735
00:32:26,461 --> 00:32:28,429
- Watch this.
- Who said, you know what? No.
736
00:32:28,463 --> 00:32:32,088
Look, I played baseball
in high school and in college.
737
00:32:32,122 --> 00:32:33,606
Let me do this.
738
00:32:33,641 --> 00:32:35,263
This is supposed to be me anyways.
739
00:32:35,298 --> 00:32:37,783
So he grabs it,
and I'm riding on a bike.
740
00:32:37,817 --> 00:32:39,267
He has to hit me
while I'm moving.
741
00:32:39,302 --> 00:32:41,304
- It was a moving target.
- I said I can hit him.
742
00:32:41,338 --> 00:32:42,788
I've just got
to chuck that steak.
743
00:32:42,822 --> 00:32:44,963
And then Heder was like,
so chuck it.
744
00:32:44,997 --> 00:32:46,792
And he hucks it.
745
00:32:46,826 --> 00:32:49,795
Uh!
746
00:32:49,829 --> 00:32:51,693
What the heck are you doing?
747
00:32:51,728 --> 00:32:53,695
That's what I'm talking about.
748
00:32:53,730 --> 00:32:55,007
And that's the take,
749
00:32:55,042 --> 00:32:56,629
that's the shot
where it just nails me.
750
00:32:56,664 --> 00:32:59,356
The slap was resounding,
751
00:32:59,391 --> 00:33:03,878
and everybody had to stop
from laughing.
752
00:33:03,912 --> 00:33:05,984
And I remember
it took every ounce of effort
753
00:33:06,018 --> 00:33:08,676
to like not lose it,
not break character.
754
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:11,817
I wanted to laugh.
I wanted to like, ow!
755
00:33:11,851 --> 00:33:14,716
I'm good with the word cult
for our film.
756
00:33:14,751 --> 00:33:17,340
I define it
for "Napoleon Dynamite"
757
00:33:17,374 --> 00:33:20,308
embracing your individuality.
758
00:33:20,343 --> 00:33:21,827
Cult that.
759
00:33:21,861 --> 00:33:23,553
"Napoleon" will live forever.
760
00:33:23,587 --> 00:33:26,142
Every time there's an adolescent
who feels like an outsider,
761
00:33:26,176 --> 00:33:28,558
it's a movie that's
going to be their go to.
762
00:33:28,592 --> 00:33:31,526
You know, everybody
that lives in a small town
763
00:33:31,561 --> 00:33:33,149
is going to love it.
764
00:33:33,183 --> 00:33:35,323
It's something that everyone
can associate with.
765
00:33:35,358 --> 00:33:37,360
It's a great American movie.
766
00:33:41,605 --> 00:33:45,161
Kevin Smith's "Clerks"
is this black and white comedy
767
00:33:45,195 --> 00:33:47,025
that's a portrait
of a day in the life
768
00:33:47,059 --> 00:33:49,682
of a convenience store clerk
named Dante,
769
00:33:49,717 --> 00:33:52,685
loosely inspired
by Kevin Smith himself.
770
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,584
- Are you open?
- Yes.
771
00:33:54,618 --> 00:33:56,448
I'm not even supposed
to be here today.
772
00:33:59,416 --> 00:34:00,693
When you think about
773
00:34:00,728 --> 00:34:01,901
what makes an interesting
cult director,
774
00:34:01,936 --> 00:34:03,351
a lot of what
we're thinking about
775
00:34:03,386 --> 00:34:05,181
is somebody who comes from
outside the mainstream.
776
00:34:05,215 --> 00:34:07,217
They didn't rise up
through the NYU ranks,
777
00:34:07,252 --> 00:34:09,357
they're not related
to anybody in Hollywood.
778
00:34:09,392 --> 00:34:10,876
They're a complete outsider.
779
00:34:10,910 --> 00:34:12,740
And in 1994, I don't know
780
00:34:12,774 --> 00:34:14,914
if you got much more outside
that Kevin Smith.
781
00:34:14,949 --> 00:34:16,192
Right, I came from
782
00:34:16,226 --> 00:34:19,057
a lower, lower,
lower middle-class family.
783
00:34:19,091 --> 00:34:20,713
Like my mom's always proud
of like,
784
00:34:20,748 --> 00:34:23,233
we almost went on food stamps
once. Almost.
785
00:34:23,268 --> 00:34:25,373
So that's how broke we were.
786
00:34:25,408 --> 00:34:27,548
So when I fell in love
with film,
787
00:34:27,582 --> 00:34:30,896
I was like, I have no money
to pay for this.
788
00:34:30,930 --> 00:34:33,416
I think what made "Clerks"
such a cult favorite
789
00:34:33,450 --> 00:34:36,902
is that it's so relatable
to almost everybody.
790
00:34:36,936 --> 00:34:38,386
Everybody at one point
791
00:34:38,421 --> 00:34:41,079
has either worked
a shitty clerking job
792
00:34:41,113 --> 00:34:43,943
or they've been in a store
with shitty clerks.
793
00:34:43,978 --> 00:34:47,119
Well, this is the last time
I rent here.
794
00:34:47,154 --> 00:34:48,431
You'll be missed.
795
00:34:48,465 --> 00:34:50,088
Screw you!
796
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:54,402
Hey, you're not allowed
to rent here anymore!
797
00:34:54,437 --> 00:34:55,990
Yeah!
798
00:34:56,024 --> 00:34:57,957
When you show people
in the workplace,
799
00:34:57,992 --> 00:34:59,476
you're holding up a mirror
to the world.
800
00:34:59,511 --> 00:35:00,788
And, you know, look,
801
00:35:00,822 --> 00:35:02,410
not everyone works
at a convenience store,
802
00:35:02,445 --> 00:35:04,102
but everybody's
had a shitty job.
803
00:35:04,136 --> 00:35:06,138
And everybody knows
the convenience store
804
00:35:06,173 --> 00:35:07,933
is the crossroads
of the world, man.
805
00:35:07,967 --> 00:35:11,143
The highest born and the lowest
of low cross the threshold.
806
00:35:11,178 --> 00:35:13,111
Everyone needs milk
and cigarettes, right?
807
00:35:13,145 --> 00:35:17,253
I'm stuck in this pit working
for less than slave wages.
808
00:35:17,287 --> 00:35:18,633
"Clerks" is, of course,
809
00:35:18,668 --> 00:35:21,153
the wet dream
of any independent cinema maker.
810
00:35:21,188 --> 00:35:22,637
You make this film
811
00:35:22,672 --> 00:35:26,641
in some hellish convenience
store in Jersey for $10,
812
00:35:26,676 --> 00:35:28,471
and then Miramax gives you,
you know,
813
00:35:28,505 --> 00:35:31,267
three dump trucks full of money
and you get a career.
814
00:35:31,301 --> 00:35:32,785
Kevin Smith's story
with "Clerks"
815
00:35:32,820 --> 00:35:34,615
is he'd been working
at the same convenience store
816
00:35:34,649 --> 00:35:36,444
since he was 19 years old.
817
00:35:36,479 --> 00:35:39,447
And finally he's like, well,
this is the setting of my movie.
818
00:35:39,482 --> 00:35:41,829
If I can make a movie anywhere,
I'm going to do it here.
819
00:35:41,863 --> 00:35:44,280
Suddenly there were these
other people giving me a notion
820
00:35:44,314 --> 00:35:46,282
that like, oh,
you could use credit cards
821
00:35:46,316 --> 00:35:49,526
for things that aren't just
like buying Star Wars figures.
822
00:35:49,561 --> 00:35:51,287
You could literally
finance a movie on it.
823
00:35:51,321 --> 00:35:52,633
That guy bought a house on it.
824
00:35:52,667 --> 00:35:54,013
That guy made a movie on it.
825
00:35:54,048 --> 00:35:55,291
Maybe you could do that.
826
00:35:55,325 --> 00:35:56,637
It's this great example
827
00:35:56,671 --> 00:35:58,880
of what a director can do
with limitations.
828
00:35:58,915 --> 00:36:01,538
Because I was working
at this point at RST video,
829
00:36:01,573 --> 00:36:03,540
the video store
that's in the movie "Clerks."
830
00:36:03,575 --> 00:36:05,818
And I was the only one
ever there, right?
831
00:36:05,853 --> 00:36:08,649
So invariably
a credit card company calls,
832
00:36:08,683 --> 00:36:09,857
and they're like,
we're checking
833
00:36:09,891 --> 00:36:12,549
on the credit rating
of Kevin Smith.
834
00:36:12,584 --> 00:36:14,172
I was like,
oh, our store manager.
835
00:36:14,206 --> 00:36:15,828
He makes $50,000 a year.
836
00:36:15,863 --> 00:36:17,554
That's all
we need to know. Bam.
837
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:20,005
And they would send me
credit cards.
838
00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:23,215
Well, when we shot the movie,
we all had real jobs.
839
00:36:23,250 --> 00:36:25,010
I mean, Kevin
worked at the store.
840
00:36:25,044 --> 00:36:27,081
Kevin asked the permission
of the owner
841
00:36:27,115 --> 00:36:28,841
if he could use the store.
842
00:36:28,876 --> 00:36:31,706
Now, she knew that
he had gone to film school.
843
00:36:31,741 --> 00:36:33,087
I dropped out
of film school early.
844
00:36:33,121 --> 00:36:35,365
I said, hey, man,
I want to shoot a movie
845
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,022
here in the convenience store.
Can I do that?
846
00:36:37,056 --> 00:36:38,886
And they said, oh, yeah.
Just come back to work.
847
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,371
10:30 at night
we'd start making the movie,
848
00:36:41,406 --> 00:36:43,546
and we'd shoot the movie
until 6:00 in the morning
849
00:36:43,580 --> 00:36:45,203
when the store opened again.
850
00:36:45,237 --> 00:36:48,206
Or rather when
I opened the store again.
851
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:49,414
Comedy really works well
852
00:36:49,448 --> 00:36:51,347
if you can come
from someplace unexpected,
853
00:36:51,381 --> 00:36:53,211
and like a convenience store
in New Jersey at that time
854
00:36:53,245 --> 00:36:54,695
was a pretty unexpected place.
855
00:36:54,729 --> 00:36:56,524
So there's a really filthy
but very funny scene
856
00:36:56,559 --> 00:37:01,357
where he's reading off the names
of increasingly foul porn movies
857
00:37:01,391 --> 00:37:03,704
while he's on the phone
to a distributor.
858
00:37:03,738 --> 00:37:05,878
Okay, I need one each of the
859
00:37:05,913 --> 00:37:08,364
"Whispers In The Wind,"
"To Each His Own,"
860
00:37:08,398 --> 00:37:09,882
"Put It
Where It Doesn't Belong,"
861
00:37:09,917 --> 00:37:13,438
"My Pipes Need Cleaning,"
"All Tit Fucking, Volume 8,"
862
00:37:13,472 --> 00:37:16,406
"I Need Your Cock,"
"Ass Worshiping Rim Jobbers."
863
00:37:16,441 --> 00:37:19,444
Shooting in black and white
was pure cost consideration.
864
00:37:19,478 --> 00:37:22,757
Now, when the movie went to
festivals later on and whatnot,
865
00:37:22,792 --> 00:37:25,553
smart people started seeing it,
they would say things like,
866
00:37:25,588 --> 00:37:27,900
the fact that it's shot
in black and white
867
00:37:27,935 --> 00:37:31,628
gives one the perspective
of the video store monitor,
868
00:37:31,663 --> 00:37:34,562
omnipresent
in every video store.
869
00:37:34,597 --> 00:37:37,289
They thought it was brilliant,
and it was not.
870
00:37:37,324 --> 00:37:40,292
It was necessity being
the mother of invention.
871
00:37:40,327 --> 00:37:41,569
But you better be sure,
872
00:37:41,604 --> 00:37:43,122
I started going out there,
being like,
873
00:37:43,157 --> 00:37:44,607
well, we shot it
in black and white
874
00:37:44,641 --> 00:37:46,574
because it was meant to be
the perspective
875
00:37:46,609 --> 00:37:49,750
of the security store camera
on our boys' lives.
876
00:37:49,784 --> 00:37:52,270
So when I heard that Miramax
picked up the film,
877
00:37:52,304 --> 00:37:53,995
I mean, it was great,
because Miramax at the time
878
00:37:54,030 --> 00:37:56,929
was the kings of bringing out,
you know,
879
00:37:56,964 --> 00:37:59,000
new and independent filmmakers.
880
00:37:59,035 --> 00:38:01,624
This is a movie
that didn't have to be made,
881
00:38:01,658 --> 00:38:05,800
but this figure by sheer force
of will made it happen.
882
00:38:05,835 --> 00:38:07,423
He makes an art-house movie
883
00:38:07,457 --> 00:38:10,288
that somehow gets to Cannes
and Sundance, which is insane.
884
00:38:10,322 --> 00:38:12,324
They put in a million-dollar
mix into the sound mix
885
00:38:12,359 --> 00:38:13,774
and cleaned it up,
886
00:38:13,808 --> 00:38:16,294
blew it up from 16 millimeter
up to 35 millimeter.
887
00:38:16,328 --> 00:38:19,020
Smoking weed, doing coke,
drinking beers.
888
00:38:19,055 --> 00:38:20,643
Pack her ass, my good man.
889
00:38:20,677 --> 00:38:23,680
Time to kick back, drink some
beers, and smoke some weed.
890
00:38:23,715 --> 00:38:26,200
So it was so funny
that they put in more money
891
00:38:26,234 --> 00:38:28,685
than we could have made
like 25 other films
892
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:31,826
with the 30,000 that
we made the first film with.
893
00:38:31,861 --> 00:38:33,138
Which did you like better,
894
00:38:33,172 --> 00:38:35,313
"Jedi" or
"The Empire Strikes Back?"
895
00:38:35,347 --> 00:38:37,798
- "Empire."
- Blasphemy.
896
00:38:37,832 --> 00:38:41,146
When the film first got rated,
it was rated an NC-17.
897
00:38:41,180 --> 00:38:44,183
NC-17 is a step below rated X,
898
00:38:44,218 --> 00:38:47,152
and that's usually for films
that are extremely violent
899
00:38:47,186 --> 00:38:50,811
or extremely, you know,
explicit sex scenes or whatever,
900
00:38:50,845 --> 00:38:52,019
and we had none of it.
901
00:38:52,053 --> 00:38:54,193
All it was
was because of dialogue.
902
00:38:54,228 --> 00:38:56,161
37. My girlfriend
sucked 37 dicks.
903
00:38:56,195 --> 00:38:57,818
In a row?
904
00:38:57,852 --> 00:39:02,340
Hey, try not to suck any dick
on the way to the parking lot.
905
00:39:02,374 --> 00:39:04,859
Hey, hey, you.
Get back here.
906
00:39:04,894 --> 00:39:06,482
You know what it is?
907
00:39:06,516 --> 00:39:08,035
It's not so much that
my girlfriend sucked 37 dicks.
908
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:10,693
It's the description
of what snowballing is.
909
00:39:10,727 --> 00:39:12,522
I think that's
what got it for them.
910
00:39:12,557 --> 00:39:14,179
Because even when I read it
in the script,
911
00:39:14,213 --> 00:39:16,388
I was like, what the hell
is snowballing?
912
00:39:16,423 --> 00:39:18,079
After he gets the blow job,
913
00:39:18,114 --> 00:39:20,875
he likes to have it spit back
into his mouth while kissing.
914
00:39:20,910 --> 00:39:21,911
It's called snowballing.
915
00:39:21,945 --> 00:39:23,395
Is that really a thing?
916
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:25,086
And he's like,
oh, yeah, that's a thing.
917
00:39:25,121 --> 00:39:27,365
I'm like, how do you know this?
Oh, I've read things.
918
00:39:27,399 --> 00:39:31,092
It had never been given
to a movie for language before.
919
00:39:31,127 --> 00:39:32,887
And so the chairman of Miramax
920
00:39:32,922 --> 00:39:37,685
decided that he'd hire
Alan Dershowitz
921
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:42,103
to represent the movie,
to defend the movie to the MPAA.
922
00:39:42,138 --> 00:39:46,280
So this became
a censorship issue.
923
00:39:46,314 --> 00:39:47,902
And so as we're sitting there,
he's like,
924
00:39:47,937 --> 00:39:51,872
it's an outrage that this movie
has been rated NC-17.
925
00:39:51,906 --> 00:39:54,115
Miramax like blew it up
into this big deal.
926
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:57,222
They had this letter that they
had a bunch of filmmakers sign.
927
00:39:57,256 --> 00:40:00,294
You know, I was barely a minute
and a half into my career,
928
00:40:00,328 --> 00:40:03,401
and all of a sudden
there was this kind of like,
929
00:40:03,435 --> 00:40:05,299
we, the undersigned,
930
00:40:05,333 --> 00:40:07,888
feel that "Clerks"
should be R, not NC-17.
931
00:40:07,922 --> 00:40:10,304
Martin Scorsese's name was
one of the names on the list.
932
00:40:10,338 --> 00:40:12,306
I was like, this is nuts.
933
00:40:12,340 --> 00:40:14,308
But I do remember that,
of course.
934
00:40:14,342 --> 00:40:17,104
And it was a matter
of one phrase in it
935
00:40:17,138 --> 00:40:20,418
that some of the raters
knew what it meant.
936
00:40:20,452 --> 00:40:22,903
And we went to urban dictionary
937
00:40:22,937 --> 00:40:24,318
and in fact
that is what it meant,
938
00:40:24,352 --> 00:40:26,734
and it was not suitable.
939
00:40:26,769 --> 00:40:29,323
We felt parents would think
it wasn't suitable.
940
00:40:29,357 --> 00:40:30,911
It's as simple as that.
941
00:40:30,945 --> 00:40:32,464
Then I got up
and got to talk about it,
942
00:40:32,499 --> 00:40:33,638
like, I'm a kid myself.
943
00:40:33,672 --> 00:40:35,122
I made this movie.
This is how we talk.
944
00:40:35,156 --> 00:40:36,261
Blah, blah, blah.
945
00:40:36,295 --> 00:40:37,987
We left the theater.
946
00:40:38,021 --> 00:40:40,265
Three minutes later,
they opened the doors
947
00:40:40,299 --> 00:40:41,784
and everyone started coming out.
948
00:40:41,818 --> 00:40:43,164
And some guy came up to me
949
00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:45,132
and said, congratulations,
man. It's sweet.
950
00:40:45,166 --> 00:40:47,445
I can't wait to see that
at midnight at the Laemmle.
951
00:40:47,479 --> 00:40:54,590
I think the concept
of being NC-17 for one joke,
952
00:40:54,624 --> 00:40:57,282
I think they just felt
that it was too harsh.
953
00:40:57,316 --> 00:40:58,801
- We won.
- We flipped the rating.
954
00:40:58,835 --> 00:41:00,975
Like, you know, basically
everyone in the jury
955
00:41:01,010 --> 00:41:02,149
was just like, oh, yeah.
956
00:41:02,183 --> 00:41:04,358
This is not
an NC-17 rated movie.
957
00:41:04,392 --> 00:41:06,498
We didn't have to make
a single cut and stuff.
958
00:41:06,533 --> 00:41:09,777
When it was overturned,
I justified it in my mind,
959
00:41:09,812 --> 00:41:11,986
thinking, most people who
are going to see this movie
960
00:41:12,021 --> 00:41:13,298
aren't going to know
what it means,
961
00:41:13,332 --> 00:41:15,162
so we won't look ridiculous.
962
00:41:15,196 --> 00:41:16,301
"Clerks" was
the greatest thing in the world
963
00:41:16,335 --> 00:41:17,613
that ever happened to me.
964
00:41:17,647 --> 00:41:19,200
It's 25 years
since it's happened,
965
00:41:19,235 --> 00:41:21,133
and I've done many things
since then,
966
00:41:21,168 --> 00:41:25,172
but I still fucking
come back to "Clerks."
967
00:41:25,206 --> 00:41:27,657
One of my favorites
is "Office Space."
968
00:41:27,692 --> 00:41:29,141
I do love "Office Space."
969
00:41:29,176 --> 00:41:32,800
The plot itself
is a little convoluted.
970
00:41:32,835 --> 00:41:36,183
It's kind of set
in workplace America,
971
00:41:36,217 --> 00:41:39,635
a very bland version
of workplace America
972
00:41:39,669 --> 00:41:42,154
that sort of has
all the life sucked out of it.
973
00:41:42,189 --> 00:41:44,812
And it's about a guy
that's not happy there.
974
00:41:44,847 --> 00:41:46,814
Want to go to Chotchkies,
get some coffee?
975
00:41:46,849 --> 00:41:48,367
No, it's a little early.
976
00:41:48,402 --> 00:41:49,645
I got a get out of here.
977
00:41:49,679 --> 00:41:51,543
- I think I'm going to lose it.
- Uh-oh.
978
00:41:51,578 --> 00:41:54,891
Sounds like somebody's
got a case of the Mondays.
979
00:41:54,926 --> 00:41:58,654
What would it look like if
I didn't put up with this shit?
980
00:41:58,688 --> 00:42:00,172
I think that in other movies
981
00:42:00,207 --> 00:42:03,003
and even TV shows
before "The Office,"
982
00:42:03,037 --> 00:42:04,901
people tried
to spike it up a little bit
983
00:42:04,936 --> 00:42:06,178
to make it
kind of fun and funny,
984
00:42:06,213 --> 00:42:09,009
and Mike was like,
no, it's awful.
985
00:42:09,043 --> 00:42:12,391
I just stare at my desk,
but it looks like I'm working.
986
00:42:12,426 --> 00:42:16,188
I do that for probably
another hour after lunch, too.
987
00:42:16,223 --> 00:42:17,742
I'd say in a given week,
988
00:42:17,776 --> 00:42:22,850
I probably only do about
15 minutes of real actual work.
989
00:42:22,885 --> 00:42:27,199
It really is a movie about
the new American economy.
990
00:42:27,234 --> 00:42:30,271
I mean, these deadening
cubicle office jobs.
991
00:42:30,306 --> 00:42:33,689
This was a comedy
about how going forward,
992
00:42:33,723 --> 00:42:37,244
the job you were going to have
was going to suck.
993
00:42:37,278 --> 00:42:39,695
Why does it say paper jam
when there is no paper jam?
994
00:42:39,729 --> 00:42:41,559
I swear to God,
one of these days
995
00:42:41,593 --> 00:42:44,872
I just kick this piece of shit
out the window.
996
00:42:44,907 --> 00:42:48,289
If you want me
to wear 37 pieces of flair
997
00:42:48,324 --> 00:42:50,706
like you're pretty boy
over there, Brian,
998
00:42:50,740 --> 00:42:54,261
why don't you just make
the minimum 37 pieces of flair?
999
00:42:54,295 --> 00:42:56,297
This was Mike's
first live-action movie.
1000
00:42:56,332 --> 00:42:57,609
Well, it started out
as an animated short
1001
00:42:57,644 --> 00:42:58,714
that I'd done a long time ago.
1002
00:42:58,748 --> 00:43:00,785
And when I was doing that,
1003
00:43:00,819 --> 00:43:03,097
I was thinking of it more
as possibly a TV show,
1004
00:43:03,132 --> 00:43:05,583
but just sort of
a series of vignettes
1005
00:43:05,617 --> 00:43:08,482
about just
office character types.
1006
00:43:08,516 --> 00:43:10,795
I finally said, well, what if
Milton's a character in it?
1007
00:43:10,829 --> 00:43:13,625
If Sandra's going
to listen to her headphones
1008
00:43:13,660 --> 00:43:15,454
while she's filing,
1009
00:43:15,489 --> 00:43:17,077
then I should be able
to listen to the radio
1010
00:43:17,111 --> 00:43:18,734
while I'm collating.
Uh-huh.
1011
00:43:18,768 --> 00:43:20,459
So I don't see why I should
have turn down the radio.
1012
00:43:20,494 --> 00:43:21,806
Yeah, all right.
1013
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,808
I'd love to say
I created this character
1014
00:43:23,842 --> 00:43:25,119
and I started from scratch
1015
00:43:25,154 --> 00:43:28,088
and I wove this great,
you know, invention.
1016
00:43:28,122 --> 00:43:29,434
None of that's true.
1017
00:43:29,468 --> 00:43:31,470
All of it was in the animation.
1018
00:43:31,505 --> 00:43:33,645
Everything down to the "yeahs"
and the "greats"
1019
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,475
and that kind of monotone voice.
1020
00:43:36,510 --> 00:43:39,927
So I just stole it
with the director's permission.
1021
00:43:39,962 --> 00:43:43,759
I'm going to need you to go
ahead and move your desk again.
1022
00:43:43,793 --> 00:43:45,933
So, well, if you could go ahead
1023
00:43:45,968 --> 00:43:49,454
and just get it as far back
into that corner as possible,
1024
00:43:49,488 --> 00:43:51,111
that would be terrific.
But...
1025
00:43:51,145 --> 00:43:52,664
That way
we'll have some more room
1026
00:43:52,699 --> 00:43:54,355
for some of these boxes
and things
1027
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:55,633
we need to put in here.
1028
00:43:55,667 --> 00:43:58,290
I'm going to have to ask you
1029
00:43:58,325 --> 00:44:00,672
to go ahead
and move your desk again.
1030
00:44:00,707 --> 00:44:03,123
So if you could go ahead
1031
00:44:03,157 --> 00:44:05,953
and get it as far back
against that wall as possible,
1032
00:44:05,988 --> 00:44:07,334
that would be great.
1033
00:44:07,368 --> 00:44:08,818
No, no, because I just...
1034
00:44:08,853 --> 00:44:10,509
That way we'll have some room
1035
00:44:10,544 --> 00:44:13,512
for some of these boxes and
things we need to put in here.
1036
00:44:13,547 --> 00:44:16,999
Then Fox said why don't you
make a movie like "Car Wash,"
1037
00:44:17,033 --> 00:44:19,139
where it's just a bunch of
people that work at this place.
1038
00:44:19,173 --> 00:44:20,830
And I thought, okay,
I can do that.
1039
00:44:20,865 --> 00:44:24,972
And so I can't remember what
the plot of "Car Wash" was.
1040
00:44:25,007 --> 00:44:26,664
I worked up
this Owen Wilson impression,
1041
00:44:26,698 --> 00:44:29,149
and I was like,
this is going to be great.
1042
00:44:29,183 --> 00:44:31,703
And I was rehearsing it
out in the lobby.
1043
00:44:31,738 --> 00:44:34,361
And so it comes my time,
1044
00:44:34,395 --> 00:44:37,157
the door opens,
Owen Wilson walks out.
1045
00:44:37,191 --> 00:44:40,712
So I go, shit.
1046
00:44:40,747 --> 00:44:42,507
I can't do a better impression
1047
00:44:42,541 --> 00:44:45,199
than Owen Wilson
can do of Owen Wilson.
1048
00:44:45,234 --> 00:44:47,063
Hold it.
This is getting confusing.
1049
00:44:47,098 --> 00:44:52,068
So in the doorway, I came up
with the character of Lawrence,
1050
00:44:52,103 --> 00:44:54,830
of just a dude, you know,
talks like this, whatever.
1051
00:44:54,864 --> 00:44:56,210
It was like literally
1052
00:44:56,245 --> 00:44:58,730
just what I came up with
at that exact second.
1053
00:44:58,765 --> 00:45:00,698
Hey, she hasn't been over here
in a while.
1054
00:45:00,732 --> 00:45:01,837
You two still going out?
1055
00:45:01,871 --> 00:45:05,185
Yeah, I guess.
I don't know.
1056
00:45:05,219 --> 00:45:07,601
Sometimes I get the feeling
like she's cheating on me.
1057
00:45:07,635 --> 00:45:09,845
Yeah, I get that feeling,
too, man.
1058
00:45:09,879 --> 00:45:12,744
What do you mean by that?
1059
00:45:12,779 --> 00:45:14,090
I don't know, man.
1060
00:45:14,125 --> 00:45:17,542
I just get that feeling
looking at her,
1061
00:45:17,576 --> 00:45:22,236
like she's the type of chick
that would just... ugh.
1062
00:45:22,271 --> 00:45:24,722
I worked at Jack In The Box.
1063
00:45:24,756 --> 00:45:27,863
Whenever the manager would say,
yeah, Mike, could you go ahead...
1064
00:45:27,897 --> 00:45:29,761
why don't you go ahead
and change the fryers.
1065
00:45:29,796 --> 00:45:31,245
Like go ahead,
1066
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,385
like I was just chomping
at the bit to go do that.
1067
00:45:33,420 --> 00:45:35,422
And I'm just going to turn
you loose on those fryers now,
1068
00:45:35,456 --> 00:45:38,390
so you just go ahead
and change those fryers.
1069
00:45:38,425 --> 00:45:40,047
If you could just go ahead
and make sure
1070
00:45:40,082 --> 00:45:43,050
you do that from now on,
that would be great.
1071
00:45:43,085 --> 00:45:44,396
We're going to need to go ahead
1072
00:45:44,431 --> 00:45:48,055
and move you downstairs
into storage B.
1073
00:45:48,090 --> 00:45:49,781
- No.
- That sounds good, Peter.
1074
00:45:49,816 --> 00:45:53,474
And we'll go ahead and get this
all fixed up for you.
1075
00:45:53,509 --> 00:45:54,752
The reason it works so well
1076
00:45:54,786 --> 00:45:56,961
is because
everybody knows that guy.
1077
00:45:56,995 --> 00:45:58,583
He's just that annoying,
passive aggressive...
1078
00:45:58,617 --> 00:46:00,654
He's a prick.
1079
00:46:00,688 --> 00:46:02,242
And I thought if nothing else,
1080
00:46:02,276 --> 00:46:05,279
if I can capture Gary Cole
doing that character,
1081
00:46:05,314 --> 00:46:06,902
then I'll make this movie.
1082
00:46:06,936 --> 00:46:09,076
It'll at least be that,
you know.
1083
00:46:09,111 --> 00:46:11,492
Yeah, I worked a bunch
of different office jobs
1084
00:46:11,527 --> 00:46:14,254
and I got to see
little pieces of all of them.
1085
00:46:14,288 --> 00:46:17,326
And I had stuff that
was like mindless drudgery
1086
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,777
and I had stuff where
you see the politics.
1087
00:46:19,811 --> 00:46:21,261
That's really
the other piece of the puzzle
1088
00:46:21,295 --> 00:46:22,987
as to why I got the part.
1089
00:46:23,021 --> 00:46:24,609
Ron was great.
1090
00:46:24,643 --> 00:46:26,266
The most challenging thing
about that
1091
00:46:26,300 --> 00:46:28,820
was getting the studio to agree
to make the movie with him
1092
00:46:28,855 --> 00:46:30,995
because, you know,
he wasn't a big star.
1093
00:46:31,029 --> 00:46:32,790
I just thought
he was a great actor.
1094
00:46:32,824 --> 00:46:36,103
I think by the time I had
actually went in and auditioned,
1095
00:46:36,138 --> 00:46:40,004
they'd seen every single
other actor in Hollywood,
1096
00:46:40,038 --> 00:46:43,524
many of whom I think would
have been great in the movie,
1097
00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:45,285
but they couldn't meet
1098
00:46:45,319 --> 00:46:48,944
either the studio's criteria
or Mike's criteria.
1099
00:46:48,978 --> 00:46:50,117
They were like, all right, fine.
1100
00:46:50,152 --> 00:46:52,844
You want the guy,
take the guy. Go.
1101
00:46:52,879 --> 00:46:54,294
So I was sort of imagining
1102
00:46:54,328 --> 00:46:58,160
this like a young
Charles Grodin vibe,
1103
00:46:58,194 --> 00:47:02,371
and Ron was one of the only
people that played it that way.
1104
00:47:02,405 --> 00:47:03,475
And the other thing
that happened, too,
1105
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:04,856
that I'm really grateful for
1106
00:47:04,891 --> 00:47:09,827
was that when Jennifer Aniston
agreed to do it,
1107
00:47:09,861 --> 00:47:13,485
it took a lot
of the onus off of me
1108
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,212
being a name that people
would know, which I wasn't.
1109
00:47:16,247 --> 00:47:18,145
I want to take you out to dinner
1110
00:47:18,180 --> 00:47:20,665
and then I want to go back to my
apartment and watch "Kung Fu."
1111
00:47:20,699 --> 00:47:22,218
Do you ever watch "Kung Fu?"
1112
00:47:22,253 --> 00:47:24,358
I love "Kung Fu."
1113
00:47:24,393 --> 00:47:25,877
Channel 39.
Totally.
1114
00:47:25,912 --> 00:47:27,845
When I was working
an engineering job,
1115
00:47:27,879 --> 00:47:31,849
one day we just said let's go
try this TGI Fridays place,
1116
00:47:31,883 --> 00:47:36,888
and, God, the waiter,
he was in the referee's shirt.
1117
00:47:36,923 --> 00:47:38,994
His voice just kept
getting higher when he'd talk.
1118
00:47:39,028 --> 00:47:41,686
Like, what can I get you today?
1119
00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:43,584
It would be like...
1120
00:47:46,415 --> 00:47:48,003
So can I get you gentlemen
something more to drink?
1121
00:47:48,037 --> 00:47:49,590
Or maybe something to nibble on,
1122
00:47:49,625 --> 00:47:52,179
some pizza shooters, shrimp
poppers, or extreme fajitas?
1123
00:47:52,214 --> 00:47:54,250
Just coffee.
1124
00:47:54,285 --> 00:47:56,218
Okay. Sounds like
a case of the Mondays.
1125
00:47:56,252 --> 00:47:59,531
It's just a nightmare
come true.
1126
00:47:59,566 --> 00:48:01,361
Like a year later,
1127
00:48:01,395 --> 00:48:05,192
I hadn't thought about the movie
since because it bombed.
1128
00:48:05,227 --> 00:48:09,610
And these two dudes are in like
a pickup truck and they go...
1129
00:48:09,645 --> 00:48:11,060
they're looking at each other
and they look over at me.
1130
00:48:11,095 --> 00:48:12,751
I'm like, hi, you know.
1131
00:48:12,786 --> 00:48:16,548
And they go, hey, what would
you do with a million dollars?
1132
00:48:16,583 --> 00:48:17,722
I looked at them
and I went...
1133
00:48:17,756 --> 00:48:20,104
Two chicks
at the same time, man.
1134
00:48:20,138 --> 00:48:22,623
Two chicks
at the same time, dude.
1135
00:48:22,658 --> 00:48:24,384
And they go, right on!
1136
00:48:24,418 --> 00:48:26,110
My favorite scene in the movie
1137
00:48:26,144 --> 00:48:29,768
is still the assault
of the printer
1138
00:48:29,803 --> 00:48:33,289
in an open field to rap music.
1139
00:48:33,324 --> 00:48:36,396
One of the oddest complements
we got on that scene
1140
00:48:36,430 --> 00:48:39,951
was a very, very
scary looking individual
1141
00:48:39,986 --> 00:48:43,575
approached Dave Herman
and just raved about that scene,
1142
00:48:43,610 --> 00:48:48,442
and at the end said, because
that's exactly how it goes down.
1143
00:48:48,477 --> 00:48:50,237
You know,
I was in Blockbuster
1144
00:48:50,272 --> 00:48:54,138
and I see this girl and her
friend pick up "Office Space."
1145
00:48:54,172 --> 00:48:55,587
She goes, oh, my God,
have you seen this?
1146
00:48:55,622 --> 00:48:56,934
Then I kind of
followed them around
1147
00:48:56,968 --> 00:48:58,832
to see if they were
really going to rent it.
1148
00:48:58,866 --> 00:49:00,420
And they did.
1149
00:49:00,454 --> 00:49:04,079
The 10th year reunion
in Austin, we did a screening,
1150
00:49:04,113 --> 00:49:06,598
and then it was like
"The Rocky Horror Picture Show."
1151
00:49:06,633 --> 00:49:08,255
Everybody knew every line
1152
00:49:08,290 --> 00:49:10,809
and the peals of laughter
pouring down.
1153
00:49:10,844 --> 00:49:13,088
I was like, oh, okay.
1154
00:49:13,122 --> 00:49:14,675
Now we're talking.
1155
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:16,505
It was great.
That was my journey.
1156
00:49:16,539 --> 00:49:18,438
There's something
in that movie
1157
00:49:18,472 --> 00:49:21,337
that doesn't have anything
to do with an office,
1158
00:49:21,372 --> 00:49:23,098
doesn't have anything to do
with the workplace.
1159
00:49:23,132 --> 00:49:26,273
It really just has to do
with the idea
1160
00:49:26,308 --> 00:49:29,276
of like what it is
to be a human being
1161
00:49:29,311 --> 00:49:32,141
and seek enlightenment,
you know.
1162
00:49:32,176 --> 00:49:33,694
And in a weird way,
we were making...
1163
00:49:33,729 --> 00:49:37,491
Peter was a guy who
we were making fun of him
1164
00:49:37,526 --> 00:49:40,667
as he was finding his version
of enlightenment,
1165
00:49:40,701 --> 00:49:42,324
which was
a really goofy version.
1166
00:49:46,224 --> 00:49:49,296
Here we are
at the Mayflower Dog Show.
1167
00:49:49,331 --> 00:49:51,471
They come to the Mayflower
with their crates,
1168
00:49:51,505 --> 00:49:53,645
their kibble, and their cookies.
1169
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,993
And most important,
with a will to win
1170
00:49:56,027 --> 00:49:59,341
that only a fellow dog
can truly appreciate.
1171
00:49:59,375 --> 00:50:02,896
The Christopher Guest
mockumentary "Best In Show,"
1172
00:50:02,930 --> 00:50:04,829
which is a comic masterpiece,
1173
00:50:04,863 --> 00:50:08,729
represent the triumph
of the improvisatory style.
1174
00:50:08,764 --> 00:50:10,352
What's with the little
plumber butt thing
1175
00:50:10,386 --> 00:50:11,870
happening on the hips there?
1176
00:50:11,905 --> 00:50:14,528
These pom-poms
are keeping Butch's hips warm
1177
00:50:14,563 --> 00:50:16,013
from the cold water,
the hip joints.
1178
00:50:16,047 --> 00:50:17,014
It's very important.
1179
00:50:17,048 --> 00:50:20,396
Chris Guest finds the insanity
1180
00:50:20,431 --> 00:50:22,743
behind what looks like
ordinary things.
1181
00:50:22,778 --> 00:50:24,021
Get up. Get up, Jerry.
No, no.
1182
00:50:24,055 --> 00:50:25,505
I kept saying,
no, I can't dance.
1183
00:50:25,539 --> 00:50:27,334
I've got two left feet.
1184
00:50:27,369 --> 00:50:29,026
I thought he was kidding.
1185
00:50:29,060 --> 00:50:30,682
But when they tell me
they love that movie,
1186
00:50:30,717 --> 00:50:32,926
I always ask,
are you a dog person?
1187
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,239
And the answer is usually yes.
1188
00:50:35,273 --> 00:50:37,862
She's fine. You know what?
She's feeling chuffed.
1189
00:50:37,896 --> 00:50:39,519
She's feeling full
of herself, aren't you?
1190
00:50:39,553 --> 00:50:42,591
And I think that comes from
1191
00:50:42,625 --> 00:50:47,596
knowing how you are about
your dog, which is smart,
1192
00:50:47,630 --> 00:50:49,253
and how others are
about their dogs,
1193
00:50:49,287 --> 00:50:51,358
which is really dumb, you know.
1194
00:50:51,393 --> 00:50:53,533
So it's that one more
little kick of superiority
1195
00:50:53,567 --> 00:50:54,706
that we like.
1196
00:50:54,741 --> 00:50:55,914
What do you see
in front of me?
1197
00:50:55,949 --> 00:50:57,054
You see a big blue ribbon.
1198
00:50:57,088 --> 00:50:58,745
It's right here in front of you.
1199
00:50:58,779 --> 00:51:00,367
You want it,
you come and you grab it.
1200
00:51:00,402 --> 00:51:01,368
She's not listening to you.
She's freaking out.
1201
00:51:01,403 --> 00:51:03,094
Well, get the Busy Bee.
1202
00:51:03,129 --> 00:51:06,546
What's more wonderful than
loving dogs and raising them
1203
00:51:06,580 --> 00:51:08,272
and putting them into
the Westminster Kennel Club,
1204
00:51:08,306 --> 00:51:10,205
and it's all elegance
in its way.
1205
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,104
And, of course, he goes back
underneath it and reveals
1206
00:51:13,139 --> 00:51:15,624
that everybody who is involved
in this thing is nuts.
1207
00:51:15,658 --> 00:51:17,729
I think anything
is ripe for satire
1208
00:51:17,764 --> 00:51:19,628
if it takes itself
very seriously.
1209
00:51:19,662 --> 00:51:21,906
You know, people say, oh,
but he so much older then you.
1210
00:51:21,940 --> 00:51:22,907
And you know what?
1211
00:51:22,941 --> 00:51:24,771
We both have so much in common.
1212
00:51:24,805 --> 00:51:26,773
We both love soup.
1213
00:51:26,807 --> 00:51:28,395
Well, there was
an outline of a script,
1214
00:51:28,430 --> 00:51:30,570
so you know the whole story.
1215
00:51:30,604 --> 00:51:34,091
He tells you what your
character's going to be.
1216
00:51:34,125 --> 00:51:35,402
And I called the office,
1217
00:51:35,437 --> 00:51:37,749
I say, there's no lines
in here for me.
1218
00:51:37,784 --> 00:51:41,581
They said, oh, it's just you
and Jim are going to ad lib.
1219
00:51:41,615 --> 00:51:44,101
Stewardess, can I take
a shih tzu on my carry-on
1220
00:51:44,135 --> 00:51:45,585
or does it have to be stowed?
1221
00:51:45,619 --> 00:51:47,414
Yes, that's an old joke,
1222
00:51:47,449 --> 00:51:49,278
but a good one
nevertheless, yes.
1223
00:51:49,313 --> 00:51:50,831
It's a crowdpleaser.
1224
00:51:50,866 --> 00:51:55,284
So we filmed it in about
four hours, our version of it.
1225
00:51:55,319 --> 00:51:57,114
I went to one of those
of obedience places once.
1226
00:51:57,148 --> 00:51:58,632
It was all going well
1227
00:51:58,667 --> 00:52:01,601
till they spilled hot
candle wax on my private parts.
1228
00:52:01,635 --> 00:52:03,258
And you don't know
if the thing is going well
1229
00:52:03,292 --> 00:52:06,502
until, you know,
Chris yells, all right, cut.
1230
00:52:06,537 --> 00:52:07,779
And then you hear laughter.
1231
00:52:07,814 --> 00:52:10,127
Fred doesn't use
his turn signal.
1232
00:52:10,161 --> 00:52:12,957
So he's liable
to go off this way,
1233
00:52:12,991 --> 00:52:14,269
and you better follow him.
1234
00:52:14,303 --> 00:52:16,616
Joe Garagiola
was the actual color guy,
1235
00:52:16,650 --> 00:52:19,688
so Christopher had sent me
a video.
1236
00:52:19,722 --> 00:52:20,861
It was a good ballclub.
1237
00:52:20,896 --> 00:52:22,967
We lost 112 games that year.
1238
00:52:23,001 --> 00:52:26,281
And suddenly I was in
this temple of Joe Garagiola.
1239
00:52:26,315 --> 00:52:28,869
Oh, my God,
he jumped on that woman
1240
00:52:28,904 --> 00:52:30,871
like she was made out of ham.
1241
00:52:30,906 --> 00:52:32,873
Oh, right around here.
Let's try again.
1242
00:52:32,908 --> 00:52:34,461
This does not look good.
1243
00:52:34,496 --> 00:52:36,049
No, he went after her
like she's made out of ham.
1244
00:52:36,083 --> 00:52:41,537
So at one point I repeated
a joke twice on a second take.
1245
00:52:41,572 --> 00:52:45,162
He said, you said the same thing
last year just inadvertently,
1246
00:52:45,196 --> 00:52:47,336
and it worked wonderfully
because it meant
1247
00:52:47,371 --> 00:52:49,476
this was not the first year
I'd worked with him.
1248
00:52:49,511 --> 00:52:50,891
And you'd imagine, he says,
1249
00:52:50,926 --> 00:52:52,824
oh, I've got to be stuck
with this guy again.
1250
00:52:52,859 --> 00:52:54,723
And so it worked out great.
1251
00:52:54,757 --> 00:52:56,207
I don't think
I could ever get used
1252
00:52:56,242 --> 00:52:57,484
to being probed and prodded.
1253
00:52:57,519 --> 00:52:59,555
I told my proctologist once,
1254
00:52:59,590 --> 00:53:01,039
hey, why don't you
take me out to dinner
1255
00:53:01,074 --> 00:53:02,662
and a movie sometimes,
you know.
1256
00:53:02,696 --> 00:53:05,216
Yes, yes, I remember
you said that last year.
1257
00:53:05,251 --> 00:53:09,565
Oh, Jane Lynch, I think
one of my favorite subtle lines.
1258
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,844
She said her parents had
a wonderful happy relationship
1259
00:53:12,879 --> 00:53:16,745
for 20 years until
my mother committed suicide.
1260
00:53:16,779 --> 00:53:18,850
You know, she was there
for the unconditional love.
1261
00:53:18,885 --> 00:53:21,059
And it worked for my family,
you know,
1262
00:53:21,094 --> 00:53:23,200
until my mom
committed suicide in '81.
1263
00:53:23,234 --> 00:53:24,718
Chris's character
in "Best In Show,"
1264
00:53:24,753 --> 00:53:27,859
that's a lonely sack of shit,
that guy.
1265
00:53:27,894 --> 00:53:29,689
Hey, Judge, look at me.
1266
00:53:29,723 --> 00:53:32,243
I mean, he's not a dog
that's going to talk,
1267
00:53:32,278 --> 00:53:34,245
but his mind
is like telepathy.
1268
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,385
God bless Christopher Guest,
because he hired you.
1269
00:53:36,420 --> 00:53:39,354
He could've got anyone,
and let you do your own thing.
1270
00:53:39,388 --> 00:53:40,734
And you create
your own character,
1271
00:53:40,769 --> 00:53:43,081
so if it doesn't go over,
you don't say,
1272
00:53:43,116 --> 00:53:45,049
well, I wasn't really
quite right for this role.
1273
00:53:45,083 --> 00:53:47,914
You have no one to blame.
1274
00:53:47,948 --> 00:53:49,571
Show it to somebody
who's got a dog
1275
00:53:49,605 --> 00:53:52,263
and they'll see that movie
over and over again.
1276
00:53:52,298 --> 00:53:53,920
Aah!
1277
00:54:01,928 --> 00:54:03,723
To this day,
it's like mind blowing
1278
00:54:03,757 --> 00:54:06,381
that it had
this kind of impact on people
1279
00:54:06,415 --> 00:54:08,003
and became a cult movie.
1280
00:54:10,419 --> 00:54:12,421
Yeah, it's a bowling comedy
1281
00:54:12,456 --> 00:54:15,286
about a bowler who could have
been the best bowler of all time
1282
00:54:15,321 --> 00:54:18,910
and was struck down tragically
early in his career
1283
00:54:18,945 --> 00:54:20,809
and had to come back
and redeem himself later on.
1284
00:54:20,843 --> 00:54:22,397
It's basically "The Natural."
1285
00:54:22,431 --> 00:54:24,399
Conceptually, the whole notion
1286
00:54:24,433 --> 00:54:28,920
of this dimwitted
ex-professional bowler
1287
00:54:28,955 --> 00:54:30,957
who's down on his luck
and on the skids,
1288
00:54:30,991 --> 00:54:34,961
and he encounters
this kind of Amish naif,
1289
00:54:34,995 --> 00:54:39,310
who it turns out has these gifts
that he wants to bring
1290
00:54:39,345 --> 00:54:40,794
as his ticket back
1291
00:54:40,829 --> 00:54:42,417
in to the wild
and prosperous world
1292
00:54:42,451 --> 00:54:43,590
of professional bowling.
1293
00:54:43,625 --> 00:54:45,316
Like, really?
1294
00:54:45,351 --> 00:54:48,768
It's both over the top and under
the radar at the same time.
1295
00:54:48,802 --> 00:54:51,115
I think "Kingpin" was totally
overlooked in the theaters.
1296
00:54:51,149 --> 00:54:52,772
I don't think it did very well,
1297
00:54:52,806 --> 00:54:56,465
and I think people just realize
it's a very funny film.
1298
00:54:56,500 --> 00:54:58,985
For whatever reason,
people just didn't go.
1299
00:54:59,019 --> 00:55:01,125
Roy Munson, a man child.
1300
00:55:01,159 --> 00:55:05,854
If he strikes, he's the 1979
Odor-Eater's champion.
1301
00:55:05,888 --> 00:55:07,304
He's got one foot
in the frying pan
1302
00:55:07,338 --> 00:55:09,029
and one in the pressure cooker.
1303
00:55:09,064 --> 00:55:12,826
I can't say specifically why
the movie became a cult movie.
1304
00:55:12,861 --> 00:55:14,656
If the movie had opened big
like we had hoped it would,
1305
00:55:14,690 --> 00:55:15,829
then we wouldn't be sitting here
1306
00:55:15,864 --> 00:55:17,348
talking about it
as a cult movie.
1307
00:55:17,383 --> 00:55:20,144
But the fact that it flopped
so badly when it came out,
1308
00:55:20,178 --> 00:55:21,870
and then found
an audience later.
1309
00:55:21,904 --> 00:55:24,700
It was number one on video
four weeks in a row.
1310
00:55:24,735 --> 00:55:26,530
Yes, yes.
No. No!
1311
00:55:26,564 --> 00:55:28,014
Hey.
No way.
1312
00:55:28,048 --> 00:55:30,637
So it kind of happened fast,
the cult status.
1313
00:55:30,672 --> 00:55:32,156
It was like six months later,
1314
00:55:32,190 --> 00:55:33,468
all of a sudden,
everybody's watching "Kingpin."
1315
00:55:33,502 --> 00:55:34,676
I don't know what happened.
1316
00:55:37,506 --> 00:55:39,681
"Kingpin" had such heart,
1317
00:55:39,715 --> 00:55:43,340
and at the core I think
was this human struggle
1318
00:55:43,374 --> 00:55:45,480
that I think everybody
can relate to.
1319
00:55:45,514 --> 00:55:49,173
But he's also going through
this internal struggle,
1320
00:55:49,207 --> 00:55:52,003
where he really I think
wants to be a better person
1321
00:55:52,038 --> 00:55:54,212
and wants to make
better choices.
1322
00:55:54,247 --> 00:55:57,077
And you see that journey
from beginning to the end.
1323
00:55:57,112 --> 00:55:59,183
We are going to do
what we set out to do.
1324
00:55:59,217 --> 00:56:00,495
We're going to win
that tournament.
1325
00:56:00,529 --> 00:56:02,359
Yes! I knew it.
1326
00:56:02,393 --> 00:56:04,499
I knew you were a champion
1327
00:56:04,533 --> 00:56:06,673
the minute
I saw you bowl, Ish.
1328
00:56:06,708 --> 00:56:11,402
I'm not going to bowl.
You are.
1329
00:56:11,437 --> 00:56:13,024
The people
who really get "Kingpin"
1330
00:56:13,059 --> 00:56:15,579
get that part of it
as well as the funny.
1331
00:56:20,618 --> 00:56:24,415
And the combination of that
is just kind of rare.
1332
00:56:24,450 --> 00:56:27,901
Woody Harrelson was
my roommate when I moved to L.A.
1333
00:56:27,936 --> 00:56:30,421
I had known Woody for years
before we did the movie.
1334
00:56:30,456 --> 00:56:31,940
We got Woody, we got Randy,
1335
00:56:31,974 --> 00:56:35,392
and we had not cast
the Big Ern McCracken role.
1336
00:56:35,426 --> 00:56:36,600
We were talking to those guys
1337
00:56:36,634 --> 00:56:37,877
and said we'd like to get
Bill Murray,
1338
00:56:37,911 --> 00:56:39,050
but we don't know
how to reach him.
1339
00:56:39,085 --> 00:56:40,431
And Randy said,
I have his number.
1340
00:56:40,466 --> 00:56:42,260
It's an 800 number.
1341
00:56:42,295 --> 00:56:44,297
He had already made a movie
with him, so he said, call him.
1342
00:56:44,331 --> 00:56:45,540
See what'll happen.
1343
00:56:45,574 --> 00:56:47,058
We called him,
we sent him the script.
1344
00:56:47,093 --> 00:56:48,612
Like two days later,
he said, yeah, we'll do it.
1345
00:56:48,646 --> 00:56:50,096
Tanqueray and tap.
1346
00:56:50,130 --> 00:56:51,580
Keep 'em coming, sweets.
I got a long drive.
1347
00:56:51,615 --> 00:56:53,064
Do me a favor, will you?
1348
00:56:53,099 --> 00:56:54,963
Would you mind
washing off that perfume
1349
00:56:54,997 --> 00:56:56,309
before you come back
to our table?
1350
00:56:56,343 --> 00:56:57,552
We're like, you're kidding.
1351
00:56:57,586 --> 00:56:58,553
He said, no,
he's going to do it.
1352
00:56:58,587 --> 00:56:59,933
We said, well, what do we do?
1353
00:56:59,968 --> 00:57:01,418
He says, he's going to be here
on the 23rd.
1354
00:57:01,452 --> 00:57:02,936
It's like, why?
1355
00:57:02,971 --> 00:57:04,973
Because you start shooting
on the 24th.
1356
00:57:05,007 --> 00:57:06,457
Well, what about
working out a deal?
1357
00:57:06,492 --> 00:57:07,907
He'll work it out
when he gets here.
1358
00:57:07,941 --> 00:57:09,080
It was like that.
1359
00:57:09,115 --> 00:57:11,773
And we just
had to take our chances.
1360
00:57:11,807 --> 00:57:12,946
But it's worth it,
because, you know,
1361
00:57:12,981 --> 00:57:14,154
Bill Murray
might come in the door.
1362
00:57:14,189 --> 00:57:15,570
And he did.
He walked in the door
1363
00:57:15,604 --> 00:57:16,950
at exactly 11:00 in the morning
1364
00:57:16,985 --> 00:57:19,090
when he was supposed to be there
on the 23rd.
1365
00:57:19,125 --> 00:57:20,747
He had plans.
1366
00:57:20,782 --> 00:57:23,094
He had brought
his own bowling clothes.
1367
00:57:23,129 --> 00:57:24,958
He had the idea
for the hair, you know.
1368
00:57:24,993 --> 00:57:26,788
He had thought
the thing through,
1369
00:57:26,822 --> 00:57:29,446
and basically the producers
got together with him
1370
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,449
and cut a deal in about
a half hour and he did it.
1371
00:57:32,483 --> 00:57:34,761
I had been following
Vanessa Angel for a while,
1372
00:57:34,796 --> 00:57:37,281
believe it or not from
the TV show "Weird Science."
1373
00:57:37,315 --> 00:57:39,939
She was on that,
and I just thought she popped.
1374
00:57:39,973 --> 00:57:41,596
I didn't want to, you know,
go with somebody
1375
00:57:41,630 --> 00:57:44,840
who just naturally looks
like they're a ball breaker.
1376
00:57:44,875 --> 00:57:46,359
I wanted somebody
who looks sweet
1377
00:57:46,393 --> 00:57:48,361
and could be a ball breaker,
and so we got her.
1378
00:57:48,395 --> 00:57:49,776
And she came in
and she was sensational.
1379
00:57:49,811 --> 00:57:51,364
Couldn't have been better.
1380
00:57:51,398 --> 00:57:54,781
Look, your act is about
as fresh as a Foghat concert.
1381
00:57:54,816 --> 00:57:56,334
It really bites, Roy.
1382
00:57:56,369 --> 00:57:57,508
Bill Murray showed up
1383
00:57:57,543 --> 00:57:59,337
and we gave him the sides,
you know,
1384
00:57:59,372 --> 00:58:00,960
which is the stuff
you're going to shoot that day,
1385
00:58:00,994 --> 00:58:02,824
like five pages of what
we're shooting that day.
1386
00:58:02,858 --> 00:58:05,309
And he looked at it and he goes,
yeah, yeah, okay, I got it.
1387
00:58:05,343 --> 00:58:07,345
He threw it on the floor
and I thought, oh, cripes.
1388
00:58:07,380 --> 00:58:08,968
This isn't good.
1389
00:58:09,002 --> 00:58:11,833
And he went on
to nail everything
1390
00:58:11,867 --> 00:58:14,318
so much funnier
than what we had written.
1391
00:58:14,352 --> 00:58:16,044
Oh!
Watch the door.
1392
00:58:16,078 --> 00:58:18,356
Everything he did was ad libbed,
1393
00:58:18,391 --> 00:58:20,048
and it's the only time
we've ever had that.
1394
00:58:20,082 --> 00:58:22,015
Jim Carrey sticks
to the script, you know.
1395
00:58:22,050 --> 00:58:24,328
Everybody sticks to the script
and then goes off.
1396
00:58:24,362 --> 00:58:27,227
Bill never stuck,
and it was always better.
1397
00:58:27,262 --> 00:58:28,988
Hi.
Hello.
1398
00:58:29,022 --> 00:58:30,852
Not you.
1399
00:58:30,886 --> 00:58:32,992
Hi.
Hi.
1400
00:58:33,026 --> 00:58:35,891
We learned very quickly not to
yell cut at the end of a scene
1401
00:58:35,926 --> 00:58:37,652
because, you know,
normally, you know,
1402
00:58:37,686 --> 00:58:39,170
you let it roll a little
and then you yell cut.
1403
00:58:39,205 --> 00:58:41,552
But Bill, you really
got to open it up.
1404
00:58:41,587 --> 00:58:45,418
You got to yell cut when Bill
gets up and leaves the set.
1405
00:58:45,452 --> 00:58:47,524
I think my favorite scene probably
1406
00:58:47,558 --> 00:58:48,835
when we're sitting in the car
1407
00:58:48,870 --> 00:58:50,216
and I kind of just, you know,
1408
00:58:50,250 --> 00:58:52,529
tap down the comb-over,
1409
00:58:52,563 --> 00:58:54,013
and I say, you know,
you look really sharp.
1410
00:58:54,047 --> 00:58:55,842
How do I look?
I don't know.
1411
00:58:55,877 --> 00:58:56,843
There's just something
about that moment
1412
00:58:56,878 --> 00:58:59,087
that is just very real
1413
00:58:59,121 --> 00:59:02,021
and you can sort of see
both their vulnerability
1414
00:59:02,055 --> 00:59:03,194
and it's very poignant.
1415
00:59:03,229 --> 00:59:04,886
Real sharp.
1416
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:06,543
I do love the fight scene.
1417
00:59:06,577 --> 00:59:08,545
You've been rubbing your tits
in that kid's face
1418
00:59:08,579 --> 00:59:09,753
from the moment we hooked up
1419
00:59:09,787 --> 00:59:11,409
so that you could steal him
from me.
1420
00:59:11,444 --> 00:59:12,583
What?
1421
00:59:12,618 --> 00:59:14,412
Don't give me
that "what" crap.
1422
00:59:14,447 --> 00:59:16,207
So I remember Peter
came up to me, and he said,
1423
00:59:16,242 --> 00:59:19,038
we're going to build this
like mechanical breast thing
1424
00:59:19,072 --> 00:59:20,557
that's going to move
this way and that way
1425
00:59:20,591 --> 00:59:21,868
and he's going to like pummel it
1426
00:59:21,903 --> 00:59:23,111
and it's going to be
really funny.
1427
00:59:23,145 --> 00:59:25,078
And I was like, really?
1428
00:59:25,113 --> 00:59:26,286
I just took a leap of faith
1429
00:59:26,321 --> 00:59:28,047
that it would look funny
1430
00:59:28,081 --> 00:59:31,326
and it would work and it did.
1431
00:59:35,744 --> 00:59:37,470
That was literally
a mechanical thing,
1432
00:59:37,504 --> 00:59:38,713
where it had a wire
1433
00:59:38,747 --> 00:59:41,405
and the guy kind of made it move
1434
00:59:41,439 --> 00:59:43,476
from side to side
and up and down.
1435
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:47,238
Yeah, it was literally
like a little machine.
1436
00:59:47,273 --> 00:59:48,619
Hello.
1437
00:59:48,654 --> 00:59:50,621
Oh, my God.
1438
00:59:50,656 --> 00:59:52,623
Claudia?
1439
00:59:52,658 --> 00:59:54,625
You two know each other?
1440
00:59:54,660 --> 00:59:58,456
It's a small world when you've
got unbelievable tits, Roy.
1441
00:59:58,491 --> 01:00:00,631
When we got to the final,
you know, match
1442
01:00:00,666 --> 01:00:02,115
and Bill gets up,
1443
01:00:02,150 --> 01:00:03,807
and he has to roll
three strikes in a row.
1444
01:00:03,841 --> 01:00:07,086
I need you now.
More than ever I need you.
1445
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:08,639
Bill takes the ball, boom.
Strike.
1446
01:00:08,674 --> 01:00:10,158
Place goes crazy.
1447
01:00:10,192 --> 01:00:12,194
Takes his time,
comes up again, shoowp.
1448
01:00:15,370 --> 01:00:18,753
Strike. Place goes crazy.
1449
01:00:18,787 --> 01:00:20,340
I'm thinking
this can't be happening.
1450
01:00:20,375 --> 01:00:22,204
Gets up again, third one.
1451
01:00:39,014 --> 01:00:41,845
The place exploded.
It was like a real tournament.
1452
01:00:41,879 --> 01:00:44,295
People went crazy.
They went nuts.
1453
01:00:44,330 --> 01:00:46,781
The crew was going, oh, my God.
1454
01:00:46,815 --> 01:00:48,955
And Bill
was so proud of himself.
1455
01:00:48,990 --> 01:00:52,131
He was truly like,
oh, oh, oh, you know.
1456
01:00:52,165 --> 01:00:54,029
It just couldn't
have worked out better.
1457
01:00:54,064 --> 01:00:57,308
I'm Big Ern!
I'm the greatest!
1458
01:00:57,343 --> 01:01:00,553
Roy's bigger victory
is he gets self-esteem, pride,
1459
01:01:00,587 --> 01:01:03,176
you know, integrity,
and his character back.
1460
01:01:08,181 --> 01:01:10,839
Woody was a horrific bowler.
He was horrible.
1461
01:01:10,874 --> 01:01:14,809
We had him work
with a couple of pros on form
1462
01:01:14,843 --> 01:01:17,225
and, you know, how
to look like a bowler at least,
1463
01:01:17,259 --> 01:01:19,365
because he was just awful.
1464
01:01:19,399 --> 01:01:21,712
So we could film him
and say, okay, you know,
1465
01:01:21,747 --> 01:01:23,990
this guy, he could possibly
be a bowler.
1466
01:01:24,025 --> 01:01:25,889
He never got better.
And we used to always...
1467
01:01:25,923 --> 01:01:28,339
whenever we're doing setups
for the next shot, we'd bowl.
1468
01:01:28,374 --> 01:01:29,686
We're in a bowling alley.
1469
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:30,859
We were in bowling alleys
the whole time.
1470
01:01:30,894 --> 01:01:32,585
So as they're setting up
down here,
1471
01:01:32,619 --> 01:01:33,586
we're down at the end,
we're having bowling matches.
1472
01:01:33,620 --> 01:01:35,346
I actually threw a 233 one day,
1473
01:01:35,381 --> 01:01:38,246
and I had another game 213,
I had a 207.
1474
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:39,903
We're bowling all day long
for two months, you know.
1475
01:01:39,937 --> 01:01:41,180
You get better.
1476
01:01:41,214 --> 01:01:43,182
I swear to you,
Woody never broke 80.
1477
01:01:43,216 --> 01:01:46,392
But Bill Murray was excellent.
Randy was a superstar.
1478
01:01:46,426 --> 01:01:49,706
Randy has a great curve,
left-handed, big hook.
1479
01:01:49,740 --> 01:01:52,087
He was great.
1480
01:01:52,122 --> 01:01:53,848
You know,
we'd only had one movie,
1481
01:01:53,882 --> 01:01:55,401
and that was "Dumb and Dumber,"
which did great.
1482
01:01:55,435 --> 01:01:56,609
And then "Kingpin" came out,
1483
01:01:56,643 --> 01:01:57,748
and we thought
that it would do great.
1484
01:01:57,783 --> 01:01:59,094
We love that movie.
1485
01:01:59,129 --> 01:02:00,924
I thought if you did a movie
that's good,
1486
01:02:00,958 --> 01:02:03,547
it's going to do great, and
that's just not the way it is.
1487
01:02:03,581 --> 01:02:05,376
Sometimes movies
fall through the cracks.
1488
01:02:05,411 --> 01:02:06,757
That's why
you're doing this thing.
1489
01:02:06,792 --> 01:02:07,758
This is all cult movies
that were great movies
1490
01:02:07,793 --> 01:02:09,553
that didn't do great.
1491
01:02:09,587 --> 01:02:11,382
Well, you're always afraid
when a movie doesn't do well
1492
01:02:11,417 --> 01:02:13,557
that that's the end of
your career, without question,
1493
01:02:13,591 --> 01:02:16,215
and that was a moment, yes,
that was one of those moments.
1494
01:02:16,249 --> 01:02:18,769
Six months later, it came out
on DVD or, you know, video
1495
01:02:18,804 --> 01:02:21,047
and started finding an audience,
1496
01:02:21,082 --> 01:02:24,395
and then we were allowed
to do another movie.
1497
01:02:24,430 --> 01:02:25,949
I had an interesting thing happen.
1498
01:02:25,983 --> 01:02:29,400
About six months later
when it came out on DVD,
1499
01:02:29,435 --> 01:02:32,956
I got a call from Geffen.
1500
01:02:32,990 --> 01:02:35,303
I don't know Geffen, okay.
1501
01:02:35,337 --> 01:02:36,960
He calls me at home,
1502
01:02:36,994 --> 01:02:40,584
and he says, hey, listen,
I saw your movie "Kingpin."
1503
01:02:40,618 --> 01:02:43,242
And my buddy
brought it over to the house
1504
01:02:43,276 --> 01:02:44,588
and he said he wants to play
this bowling movie.
1505
01:02:44,622 --> 01:02:45,762
I told him, no way.
1506
01:02:45,796 --> 01:02:46,763
I'm not watching
a bowling movie.
1507
01:02:46,797 --> 01:02:48,109
No, you've got to watch this.
1508
01:02:48,143 --> 01:02:49,248
He goes, I'm not watching
a bowling movie.
1509
01:02:49,282 --> 01:02:50,318
You're watching the movie.
1510
01:02:50,352 --> 01:02:52,458
So we played it last night.
1511
01:02:52,492 --> 01:02:54,287
He goes, hysterical.
Unbelievably good.
1512
01:02:54,322 --> 01:02:57,428
Yet I never, ever
would have bought that movie
1513
01:02:57,463 --> 01:02:59,292
if you had pitched it to me.
1514
01:02:59,327 --> 01:03:03,158
So whatever you want to do next,
I'll do it no matter what it is.
1515
01:03:03,193 --> 01:03:04,332
I said, awesome.
Thank you, man.
1516
01:03:04,366 --> 01:03:05,471
I really appreciate it.
Hung up.
1517
01:03:05,505 --> 01:03:07,093
About six months later,
1518
01:03:07,128 --> 01:03:09,647
we figured out we wanted to do
"Something About Mary" next,
1519
01:03:09,682 --> 01:03:11,926
so I called him up,
I pitched it to him, he passed.
1520
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,860
That's how hard
the movie business is.
1521
01:03:19,657 --> 01:03:21,625
We were five
very close friends,
1522
01:03:21,659 --> 01:03:26,009
and we really wrote
that movie together.
1523
01:03:26,043 --> 01:03:27,182
You want to take this one, Rob?
1524
01:03:27,217 --> 01:03:29,460
Hell, yeah.
I bet you do.
1525
01:03:29,495 --> 01:03:31,324
Oh!
1526
01:03:34,845 --> 01:03:36,640
Wahoo!
1527
01:03:36,674 --> 01:03:39,470
It takes place
on the Vermont/Canada border,
1528
01:03:39,505 --> 01:03:43,198
and it follows
five Highway Patrolman
1529
01:03:43,233 --> 01:03:45,994
who patrol that area.
1530
01:03:46,029 --> 01:03:49,687
But there's so little crime
and so little traffic up there
1531
01:03:49,722 --> 01:03:53,830
that they kind of make up games
to amuse themselves.
1532
01:03:53,864 --> 01:03:55,038
How about Cat Game?
1533
01:03:55,072 --> 01:03:56,971
Cat Game?
What's the record?
1534
01:03:57,005 --> 01:04:00,146
Thorny did six,
but I think you can do 10.
1535
01:04:00,181 --> 01:04:03,391
10? Starting right meow?
1536
01:04:03,425 --> 01:04:05,842
Hurry up meow.
1537
01:04:05,876 --> 01:04:07,844
Sorry.
1538
01:04:09,569 --> 01:04:11,571
Is there something funny
here, boy?
1539
01:04:11,606 --> 01:04:13,504
No, no, no.
1540
01:04:13,539 --> 01:04:17,198
Well, then why are you
laughing, Mr. Larry Johnson?
1541
01:04:19,372 --> 01:04:20,857
All right,
meow where were we?
1542
01:04:20,891 --> 01:04:23,411
I'm sorry.
Are you saying meow?
1543
01:04:23,445 --> 01:04:26,000
Am I saying meow?
1544
01:04:26,034 --> 01:04:29,348
Last night
I was at some fancy event.
1545
01:04:29,382 --> 01:04:32,351
They were in a tuxedo.
I was in a tuxedo.
1546
01:04:32,385 --> 01:04:35,423
And they said, you know, essentially...
1547
01:04:35,457 --> 01:04:40,083
it goes some normal conversation
followed by meow.
1548
01:04:40,117 --> 01:04:44,915
And you're just sitting there
going, all right, okay.
1549
01:04:44,950 --> 01:04:46,365
Don't think, boy.
1550
01:04:46,399 --> 01:04:47,538
Meow, do you know
how fast you're going?
1551
01:04:49,264 --> 01:04:51,888
Meow what is so damn funny?
1552
01:04:51,922 --> 01:04:53,717
I could've sworn
you said meow.
1553
01:04:53,751 --> 01:04:56,030
Do I look like a cat
to you, boy?
1554
01:04:56,064 --> 01:04:59,585
When someone would do
the meow thing to me
1555
01:04:59,619 --> 01:05:01,898
where I would be like...
like I would just think,
1556
01:05:01,932 --> 01:05:03,900
oh, this person
smokes a lot of pot.
1557
01:05:03,934 --> 01:05:08,559
Because there was like this
generation of college students
1558
01:05:08,594 --> 01:05:12,805
that didn't see it in theaters,
but would consume the movie
1559
01:05:12,839 --> 01:05:14,807
and watch it
over and over again.
1560
01:05:14,841 --> 01:05:16,429
Am I drinking milk
from a saucer?
1561
01:05:16,464 --> 01:05:17,914
No.
1562
01:05:17,948 --> 01:05:19,605
Well, do you see me
eating mice?
1563
01:05:21,296 --> 01:05:22,608
Now you stop laughing
right meow.
1564
01:05:23,678 --> 01:05:25,093
But it was fascinating
1565
01:05:25,128 --> 01:05:27,475
to see the impact
1566
01:05:27,509 --> 01:05:31,582
and just how the impact
didn't diminish.
1567
01:05:31,617 --> 01:05:33,274
But...
No butts meow.
1568
01:05:33,308 --> 01:05:34,413
That's the law.
1569
01:05:34,447 --> 01:05:36,794
Not so funny meow, is it?
1570
01:05:40,971 --> 01:05:42,317
Meow.
1571
01:05:44,009 --> 01:05:46,080
You know, there's indies
where like,
1572
01:05:46,114 --> 01:05:47,081
hey, there's someplace
for you to sit down.
1573
01:05:47,115 --> 01:05:48,945
And then there's indies
1574
01:05:48,979 --> 01:05:50,947
where they're like we didn't
think you might need a chair.
1575
01:05:50,981 --> 01:05:52,465
You know what I mean?
1576
01:05:52,500 --> 01:05:54,467
So it was one of those
indies where they're like,
1577
01:05:54,502 --> 01:05:56,607
can you just stand over here
1578
01:05:56,642 --> 01:05:58,609
while we figure out
what we're going to do?
1579
01:05:58,644 --> 01:06:02,165
We come up with the idea,
and then we sit in a room
1580
01:06:02,199 --> 01:06:06,652
for about, you know,
a month I'd say.
1581
01:06:06,686 --> 01:06:08,343
And, you know, we smoked joints.
1582
01:06:08,378 --> 01:06:12,830
Eventually you get towards
what will be a story.
1583
01:06:12,865 --> 01:06:15,178
We shot the film near
Poughkeepsie, New York.
1584
01:06:15,212 --> 01:06:16,662
And we lucked out
1585
01:06:16,696 --> 01:06:20,631
because there was
a seven mile stretch of highway
1586
01:06:20,666 --> 01:06:22,806
that connected two other roads.
1587
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,119
The Highway Patrol showed up
1588
01:06:25,153 --> 01:06:27,811
and the local police
showed up at the same time
1589
01:06:27,845 --> 01:06:29,123
to shut down the exit.
1590
01:06:29,157 --> 01:06:31,021
And I was standing there,
1591
01:06:31,056 --> 01:06:34,024
and they're arguing over
whose jurisdiction this was.
1592
01:06:34,059 --> 01:06:35,715
And the highway's like,
this is the highway,
1593
01:06:35,750 --> 01:06:38,339
so we control the exit
onto the highway.
1594
01:06:38,373 --> 01:06:40,306
The local guy's like, no, no,
this is part of the town.
1595
01:06:40,341 --> 01:06:41,480
That's the highway.
1596
01:06:41,514 --> 01:06:44,138
It does? Oh, my God.
1597
01:06:44,172 --> 01:06:46,519
You want to go up there, fine,
but we're shutting down this.
1598
01:06:46,554 --> 01:06:49,005
And so these guys are arguing
and I'm like, that's our movie.
1599
01:06:49,039 --> 01:06:51,145
Back it up, Brady.
I'm serious.
1600
01:06:51,179 --> 01:06:52,387
What's the point?
1601
01:06:52,422 --> 01:06:53,837
Didn't you guys
get shut down already?
1602
01:06:53,871 --> 01:06:55,735
Oh, yeah, that's next week.
1603
01:06:55,770 --> 01:06:58,014
You've got to be careful
what you write.
1604
01:06:58,048 --> 01:07:00,878
One, two, three.
1605
01:07:00,913 --> 01:07:02,328
Because you're going
to have to do it.
1606
01:07:02,363 --> 01:07:03,502
Do it.
1607
01:07:03,536 --> 01:07:05,745
In the original
syrup chugging scene,
1608
01:07:05,780 --> 01:07:08,679
we bought iced tea
and we made it very, very thick.
1609
01:07:08,714 --> 01:07:10,888
But when you look at it on film,
1610
01:07:10,923 --> 01:07:12,890
it just looks like
thick iced tea.
1611
01:07:12,925 --> 01:07:15,031
It doesn't have the viscosity
that we needed.
1612
01:07:15,065 --> 01:07:18,689
We sent a production assistant
to Kmart or something
1613
01:07:18,724 --> 01:07:23,177
and they came back with like
12 bottles of maple syrup.
1614
01:07:23,211 --> 01:07:25,351
I am all that is man.
1615
01:07:25,386 --> 01:07:27,526
You know,
I drank 2 1/2 full bottles,
1616
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:29,390
and because I'm the director,
1617
01:07:29,424 --> 01:07:33,049
I'd made Eric do more takes
and I made him drink 3 1/2.
1618
01:07:33,083 --> 01:07:35,189
You know,
if you ended up the day
1619
01:07:35,223 --> 01:07:36,742
and you had diabetes
at the end of the day,
1620
01:07:36,776 --> 01:07:38,226
you're like, I get it.
1621
01:07:38,261 --> 01:07:42,575
After the scene, you know,
I tried to go throw it up,
1622
01:07:42,610 --> 01:07:44,888
but Eric was coming out
of the bathroom already.
1623
01:07:44,922 --> 01:07:46,890
He goes, it's not coming out.
It's too thick.
1624
01:07:46,924 --> 01:07:48,892
We went to my trailer
and we turned out the light
1625
01:07:48,926 --> 01:07:51,757
and we just laid on the ground
and shivered for all lunch.
1626
01:07:51,791 --> 01:07:53,897
Just laid there shivering.
1627
01:07:53,931 --> 01:07:55,209
Because there's a reason
1628
01:07:55,243 --> 01:07:56,589
maple syrup is part
of the master cleanse.
1629
01:07:56,624 --> 01:07:59,730
And, you know,
I'll spare you the details,
1630
01:07:59,765 --> 01:08:02,388
but, I mean, I shat
like a fossilized bird.
1631
01:08:02,423 --> 01:08:05,460
Like, you know, like a stick
with a fully intact leaf.
1632
01:08:05,495 --> 01:08:06,910
You know, things
1633
01:08:06,944 --> 01:08:08,291
that I definitely
don't remember eating,
1634
01:08:08,325 --> 01:08:09,913
but they came out whole.
1635
01:08:09,947 --> 01:08:11,742
I'll never do that again.
1636
01:08:11,777 --> 01:08:13,089
These boys
get that syrup in them,
1637
01:08:13,123 --> 01:08:14,814
they get a little antsy
in their pantsy.
1638
01:08:14,849 --> 01:08:16,644
You just can't keep them
under control.
1639
01:08:16,678 --> 01:08:20,096
We had a laser disk
of "Blade Runner."
1640
01:08:20,130 --> 01:08:21,442
There's that great scene
1641
01:08:21,476 --> 01:08:24,134
where Harrison Ford
is like using that computer
1642
01:08:24,169 --> 01:08:26,757
to kind of dig deeper
and enhance,
1643
01:08:26,792 --> 01:08:28,794
so we thought that
would be a funny little gag.
1644
01:08:28,828 --> 01:08:30,451
Enhance.
1645
01:08:30,485 --> 01:08:32,936
Enhance.
1646
01:08:32,970 --> 01:08:34,765
Enhance.
1647
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:36,974
Just print the damn thing!
1648
01:08:37,009 --> 01:08:40,944
I think what made "Super
Troopers" a cult film favorite
1649
01:08:40,978 --> 01:08:46,018
is that we put energy
into every second of it.
1650
01:08:46,052 --> 01:08:49,125
Dan Blocker,
do you need assistance?
1651
01:08:49,159 --> 01:08:50,505
We just made a movie
where we were cops.
1652
01:08:50,540 --> 01:08:53,129
We didn't expect it
to go anywhere,
1653
01:08:53,163 --> 01:08:54,613
let alone go to Sundance
and sell it.
1654
01:08:54,647 --> 01:08:56,511
We didn't think anything
like that would happen.
1655
01:08:57,857 --> 01:08:58,962
All right, come on.
1656
01:08:58,996 --> 01:09:01,137
Oh, what is it now?
1657
01:09:01,171 --> 01:09:03,449
Oh.
1658
01:09:03,484 --> 01:09:06,694
Strange tattooed creature.
1659
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:15,012
It broke every convention
1660
01:09:15,047 --> 01:09:17,049
while on the surface
being very, very conventional.
1661
01:09:17,083 --> 01:09:19,155
It's so out there.
1662
01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:21,191
No one could have predicted
1663
01:09:21,226 --> 01:09:22,710
"Monty Python
& The Holy Grail"
1664
01:09:22,744 --> 01:09:25,644
because the Monty Python
we knew from television
1665
01:09:25,678 --> 01:09:27,370
worked in little bursts,
1666
01:09:27,404 --> 01:09:29,855
kind of one joke
surreal sketches.
1667
01:09:32,513 --> 01:09:35,654
Nobody expects
the Spanish Inquisition.
1668
01:09:35,688 --> 01:09:37,897
No one thought
they could string together
1669
01:09:37,932 --> 01:09:39,658
an entire feature.
1670
01:09:39,692 --> 01:09:41,004
The first thing people...
1671
01:09:41,038 --> 01:09:42,488
if you want to understand
"The Holy Grail"
1672
01:09:42,523 --> 01:09:44,697
is that we had no idea
what we were doing.
1673
01:09:44,732 --> 01:09:47,666
I mean, the plot
is almost nonexistent.
1674
01:09:47,700 --> 01:09:49,668
The plot of "Monty Python
& The Holy Grail"
1675
01:09:49,702 --> 01:09:53,085
is based on the Arthurian legend
of finding the Holy Grail.
1676
01:09:53,119 --> 01:09:56,537
Arthur, King of the Britons.
1677
01:09:57,710 --> 01:09:59,505
Oh, don't grovel.
1678
01:09:59,540 --> 01:10:02,025
The one thing I can't stand
is people groveling.
1679
01:10:02,059 --> 01:10:04,200
Sorry.
And don't apologize!
1680
01:10:04,234 --> 01:10:06,029
I think "Monty Python
& The Holy Grail"
1681
01:10:06,063 --> 01:10:10,930
changed movies because
it was sort of the first movie
1682
01:10:10,965 --> 01:10:13,036
that was unabashedly silly
1683
01:10:13,070 --> 01:10:14,865
while taking itself
incredibly seriously,
1684
01:10:14,900 --> 01:10:17,213
which is what
their show did so well.
1685
01:10:17,247 --> 01:10:20,354
They do a whole movie where it's
mostly just the five of them,
1686
01:10:20,388 --> 01:10:22,425
six of them,
playing all the characters.
1687
01:10:22,459 --> 01:10:24,772
No more, no less.
1688
01:10:24,806 --> 01:10:26,222
And we just
kind of go with it.
1689
01:10:26,256 --> 01:10:27,533
We're not like,
but he was playing...
1690
01:10:27,568 --> 01:10:29,363
like you just
kind of go with it.
1691
01:10:29,397 --> 01:10:31,882
They're all playing completely
different people every scene.
1692
01:10:31,917 --> 01:10:34,126
I'm Arthur,
King of the Britons.
1693
01:10:38,303 --> 01:10:40,270
Behold your humble servant,
Sir Lancelot of Camelot.
1694
01:10:40,305 --> 01:10:41,720
Sir Galahad.
1695
01:10:41,754 --> 01:10:45,413
"Monty Python & The Holy
Grail" is a cult classic
1696
01:10:45,448 --> 01:10:48,278
because we know it's funny,
1697
01:10:48,313 --> 01:10:51,074
it's satirical,
but the movie's smart.
1698
01:10:51,108 --> 01:10:52,455
Look, my liege.
1699
01:10:56,148 --> 01:10:57,287
Camelot.
1700
01:10:57,322 --> 01:10:59,393
Camelot.
Camelot.
1701
01:10:59,427 --> 01:11:01,291
It's only a model.
Shh.
1702
01:11:01,326 --> 01:11:05,433
Yeah, the coconut scene
was absolutely crucial.
1703
01:11:05,468 --> 01:11:07,987
If Michael Palin
had not written that,
1704
01:11:08,022 --> 01:11:09,126
there wouldn't have been
the film
1705
01:11:09,161 --> 01:11:10,783
because the first draft,
1706
01:11:10,818 --> 01:11:12,820
we threw away the 90% of it.
1707
01:11:12,854 --> 01:11:16,927
It was scenes about King Arthur
walking around Harrods
1708
01:11:16,962 --> 01:11:21,277
and going to the pet department
to buy an ant as a pet.
1709
01:11:21,311 --> 01:11:23,762
I mean, we just threw out
90% of it.
1710
01:11:23,796 --> 01:11:26,109
But what we realized
was solid gold
1711
01:11:26,143 --> 01:11:29,595
was this scene that Michael
had written with the coconuts.
1712
01:11:29,630 --> 01:11:31,942
And that obviously because
we couldn't afford horses.
1713
01:11:31,977 --> 01:11:34,013
We couldn't afford one horse.
1714
01:11:34,048 --> 01:11:37,776
So once we realized that
that was the gold there,
1715
01:11:37,810 --> 01:11:41,469
the gold dust, then we sort of
built around that time period.
1716
01:11:41,504 --> 01:11:45,439
But at the beginning, we didn't
have that as a starting idea.
1717
01:11:45,473 --> 01:11:46,957
And they're showing you
1718
01:11:46,992 --> 01:11:50,616
the absurdity of politics
and religion, the hypocrisy.
1719
01:11:50,651 --> 01:11:54,033
Strange women lying in ponds
distributing swords
1720
01:11:54,068 --> 01:11:55,966
is no basis
for a system of government.
1721
01:11:56,001 --> 01:11:58,003
Visually resourceful gags,
1722
01:11:58,037 --> 01:12:00,454
linguistically resourceful gags.
1723
01:12:00,488 --> 01:12:04,699
"The Castle of, argh..."
1724
01:12:04,734 --> 01:12:06,632
What is that?
1725
01:12:06,667 --> 01:12:08,979
He must have died
while carving it.
1726
01:12:09,014 --> 01:12:10,498
Oh, come on.
1727
01:12:10,533 --> 01:12:12,155
Well, that's what it says.
1728
01:12:12,189 --> 01:12:13,501
Look, if he was dying,
1729
01:12:13,536 --> 01:12:15,986
he would bother
to carve "argh."
1730
01:12:16,021 --> 01:12:19,162
Eric Idle's, which I later
found out was an ad libbed line,
1731
01:12:19,196 --> 01:12:21,889
when he's being
the "bring out your dead" guy.
1732
01:12:21,923 --> 01:12:24,823
Bring out your dead.
1733
01:12:27,204 --> 01:12:28,344
Bring out your dead.
1734
01:12:28,378 --> 01:12:30,000
King Arthur walks by
and he goes...
1735
01:12:30,035 --> 01:12:31,830
Who's that then?
I don't know.
1736
01:12:31,864 --> 01:12:33,383
Must be a king.
Why?
1737
01:12:33,418 --> 01:12:37,076
He hasn't got shit
all over him.
1738
01:12:37,111 --> 01:12:40,528
They somehow or other
made space in this movie
1739
01:12:40,563 --> 01:12:45,533
for every single bit of surreal
silliness they possibly could.
1740
01:12:46,948 --> 01:12:48,225
Jesus Christ!
1741
01:12:49,434 --> 01:12:51,677
- Crimey!
- Ow!
1742
01:12:51,712 --> 01:12:53,092
And I think it kind of showed
1743
01:12:53,127 --> 01:12:56,544
it could follow
a very, very well trod formula
1744
01:12:56,579 --> 01:12:58,719
of like the King Arthur story
1745
01:12:58,753 --> 01:13:00,583
or the epic
kind of medieval evil movie,
1746
01:13:00,617 --> 01:13:03,586
and yet have these insane
cartoon cutaways into it.
1747
01:13:05,795 --> 01:13:07,521
By the time we started it,
1748
01:13:07,555 --> 01:13:09,695
we thought we had
some really funny material.
1749
01:13:09,730 --> 01:13:12,560
And also, the two Terrys
had directed it together.
1750
01:13:12,595 --> 01:13:15,529
They've got tremendous energy
and dedication,
1751
01:13:15,563 --> 01:13:17,703
whereas Eric and I
are lazy bastards
1752
01:13:17,738 --> 01:13:19,740
and get away with
as little as we can, you know.
1753
01:13:19,774 --> 01:13:22,432
So the Terrys
deserve a lot of praise
1754
01:13:22,467 --> 01:13:23,951
for actually getting it done.
1755
01:13:23,985 --> 01:13:25,539
Not a lot of people know this,
1756
01:13:25,573 --> 01:13:28,404
but the movie was actually
funded by three rock bands.
1757
01:13:28,438 --> 01:13:30,889
Somebody discovered
that the British government
1758
01:13:30,923 --> 01:13:32,891
had just brought in
some legislation
1759
01:13:32,925 --> 01:13:35,928
to encourage British filmmaking,
1760
01:13:35,963 --> 01:13:38,897
which was basically
a kind of tax dodge.
1761
01:13:38,931 --> 01:13:40,416
Led Zeppelin,
1762
01:13:40,450 --> 01:13:41,969
who was the biggest band
in the world at the time,
1763
01:13:42,003 --> 01:13:45,317
Pink Floyd, who was cruising
from "Dark Side Of The Moon,"
1764
01:13:45,351 --> 01:13:46,456
and then Genesis,
1765
01:13:46,491 --> 01:13:48,320
and they were all
just super fans
1766
01:13:48,354 --> 01:13:49,942
of "Monty Python's
Flying Circus."
1767
01:13:49,977 --> 01:13:51,599
And so they were like, yeah,
you guys want to make a movie?
1768
01:13:51,634 --> 01:13:52,807
We'll put up this money.
1769
01:13:52,842 --> 01:13:54,464
We would love to see
a movie like that.
1770
01:13:54,499 --> 01:13:57,605
I fart
in your general direction.
1771
01:13:57,640 --> 01:13:59,573
The taunter
came out of the fact
1772
01:13:59,607 --> 01:14:02,576
we discovered that there
actually were taunters
1773
01:14:02,610 --> 01:14:04,440
in these medieval battles.
1774
01:14:04,474 --> 01:14:06,476
Your mother was a hamster
1775
01:14:06,511 --> 01:14:10,135
and your father
smelled of elderberries.
1776
01:14:10,169 --> 01:14:11,654
Terry Gilliam believes
1777
01:14:11,688 --> 01:14:13,794
that the more difficulties
there are,
1778
01:14:13,828 --> 01:14:17,832
the more people are squabbling
and the worse the conditions,
1779
01:14:17,867 --> 01:14:19,282
then the better the art is.
1780
01:14:19,316 --> 01:14:22,492
I don't know
how he came to that conclusion,
1781
01:14:22,527 --> 01:14:24,598
but he is quite batty.
1782
01:14:24,632 --> 01:14:26,945
What is your favorite color?
1783
01:14:26,979 --> 01:14:29,499
Blue.
Right. Off you go.
1784
01:14:29,534 --> 01:14:31,467
Oh, thank you.
1785
01:14:31,501 --> 01:14:34,953
Comedy requires relaxation
1786
01:14:34,987 --> 01:14:37,611
because that's when
people's timing gets better.
1787
01:14:37,645 --> 01:14:40,027
But we were young.
We were young.
1788
01:14:40,061 --> 01:14:43,686
But we found this one castle,
Doone castle.
1789
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:46,620
D-double-O-N-E, I think.
1790
01:14:46,654 --> 01:14:48,967
And we use that
at different angles,
1791
01:14:49,001 --> 01:14:53,143
so it played the part
of several castles.
1792
01:14:53,178 --> 01:14:54,386
One of the things
1793
01:14:54,420 --> 01:14:56,492
that sometimes makes
a cult movie take hold
1794
01:14:56,526 --> 01:14:58,666
is a scene of extreme gore.
1795
01:14:58,701 --> 01:15:01,013
And, of course,
the Black Knight encounter,
1796
01:15:01,048 --> 01:15:02,394
that was the thing
1797
01:15:02,428 --> 01:15:04,638
that kids came out of that
movie talking about,
1798
01:15:04,672 --> 01:15:06,536
that everybody
was so shocked by.
1799
01:15:06,571 --> 01:15:09,056
They couldn't imagine
slapstick and gore
1800
01:15:09,090 --> 01:15:10,644
paired together like that.
1801
01:15:10,678 --> 01:15:12,715
Now stand aside,
worthy adversary.
1802
01:15:12,749 --> 01:15:14,337
'Tis but a scratch.
1803
01:15:14,371 --> 01:15:15,890
A scratch?
1804
01:15:19,411 --> 01:15:21,827
All right,
we'll call it a draw.
1805
01:15:21,862 --> 01:15:23,346
The reason
people love it so much
1806
01:15:23,380 --> 01:15:25,175
is that the first 50 minutes
1807
01:15:25,210 --> 01:15:28,247
is really funny, really funny.
1808
01:15:28,282 --> 01:15:30,560
And then I don't think
it's so good after that.
1809
01:15:30,595 --> 01:15:31,837
I think it goes off a bit.
1810
01:15:31,872 --> 01:15:33,529
I love the scene where Michael
1811
01:15:33,563 --> 01:15:36,566
tries to tell Graham Chapman
and Eric Idle
1812
01:15:36,601 --> 01:15:40,190
to keep his son in the room
and not let him out.
1813
01:15:40,225 --> 01:15:41,537
That's one
of my favorite scenes.
1814
01:15:41,571 --> 01:15:42,572
Wonderfully performed.
1815
01:15:42,607 --> 01:15:44,712
Make sure he doesn't leave.
1816
01:15:44,747 --> 01:15:46,369
The Prince?
1817
01:15:46,403 --> 01:15:48,198
Yes, make sure
he doesn't leave.
1818
01:15:48,233 --> 01:15:49,717
Oh, yes, of course.
1819
01:15:49,752 --> 01:15:51,547
I thought you meant him.
1820
01:15:51,581 --> 01:15:53,031
You know, it seemed a bit daft,
1821
01:15:53,065 --> 01:15:55,067
me having to guard him
when he's a guard.
1822
01:15:55,102 --> 01:15:56,552
Is that clear?
1823
01:15:56,586 --> 01:15:58,243
Oh, quite clear.
No problems.
1824
01:15:58,277 --> 01:15:59,796
Right.
1825
01:16:01,418 --> 01:16:03,938
Where you going?
We're coming with you.
1826
01:16:03,973 --> 01:16:06,596
The word we used more
than anything else was silly.
1827
01:16:06,631 --> 01:16:10,117
If anything was really silly,
we thought it was hilarious.
1828
01:16:18,746 --> 01:16:21,059
On second thought,
let's not go to Camelot.
1829
01:16:21,093 --> 01:16:22,474
It is a silly place.
1830
01:16:22,508 --> 01:16:24,614
Well, I think the reason
you picked "Holy Grail"
1831
01:16:24,649 --> 01:16:26,133
is that
you've made the same mistake
1832
01:16:26,167 --> 01:16:29,101
that American audiences
have been making for decades.
1833
01:16:29,136 --> 01:16:32,070
You think it's much, much better
than it is.
1834
01:16:32,104 --> 01:16:34,624
Right, sonny, that's enough.
Just... Christ!
1835
01:16:34,659 --> 01:16:36,626
You want to start
from the beginning?
1836
01:16:44,461 --> 01:16:45,911
"Beyond the Valley
of the Dolls"
1837
01:16:45,946 --> 01:16:47,775
is beyond anything.
1838
01:16:47,810 --> 01:16:51,434
It is still almost the
perfect movie if you watch it.
1839
01:16:51,468 --> 01:16:52,504
It never goes bad.
1840
01:16:52,538 --> 01:16:54,126
It gets better like a fine wine.
1841
01:16:54,161 --> 01:16:58,993
Every year it gets more and more
jaw-dropping, you know.
1842
01:16:59,028 --> 01:17:00,098
Yeah, it's got everything.
1843
01:17:00,132 --> 01:17:01,927
It's got music, fast editing.
1844
01:17:01,962 --> 01:17:04,481
It's very modern, really.
1845
01:17:04,516 --> 01:17:08,520
Transgender, beheading,
Manson, it has everything.
1846
01:17:08,554 --> 01:17:10,798
"Beyond the Valley of
the Dolls," when it came out
1847
01:17:10,833 --> 01:17:12,766
was quite a scandal
1848
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:14,284
because, you know,
this was an X rated...
1849
01:17:14,319 --> 01:17:18,461
This and "Myra" came out
around the same time
1850
01:17:18,495 --> 01:17:21,947
and both X rated and they
were both from a big studio.
1851
01:17:21,982 --> 01:17:23,569
And hated by critics.
1852
01:17:28,816 --> 01:17:30,162
"Beyond the Valley
of the Dolls"
1853
01:17:30,197 --> 01:17:33,303
exists in a very unique time
and place in cinema,
1854
01:17:33,338 --> 01:17:35,651
and that
is the very early seventies.
1855
01:17:35,685 --> 01:17:38,964
Absurd, satirical tragicomedy
1856
01:17:38,999 --> 01:17:40,794
about a group of naiïve girls.
1857
01:17:40,828 --> 01:17:43,175
They're part of a rock band
called the Carrie Nations.
1858
01:17:48,422 --> 01:17:51,149
And come to California.
1859
01:18:01,711 --> 01:18:04,334
It really is
an artifact of its era.
1860
01:18:04,369 --> 01:18:05,819
It really captured
1861
01:18:05,853 --> 01:18:09,063
what was going on
in that particular moment.
1862
01:18:09,098 --> 01:18:12,342
I think it was destined
for cult classic, you know.
1863
01:18:12,377 --> 01:18:14,828
I think Roger Ebert, the writer,
even knew at the time
1864
01:18:14,862 --> 01:18:16,830
it was going to be
something like that.
1865
01:18:16,864 --> 01:18:18,832
A lot of people in hot tubs
1866
01:18:18,866 --> 01:18:22,732
and a lot of people, you know,
doing the frug and the shag.
1867
01:18:24,630 --> 01:18:28,358
Oh, they just banned
my last film in Cincinnati.
1868
01:18:28,393 --> 01:18:30,602
Groovy town.
1869
01:18:30,636 --> 01:18:32,397
When I'm with you, pussycat,
who needs grass?
1870
01:18:32,431 --> 01:18:35,020
You have to see it
to believe it.
1871
01:18:35,055 --> 01:18:37,091
Of course, I nearly choked.
1872
01:18:37,126 --> 01:18:39,231
It's pretty cultish
to begin with, isn't it?
1873
01:18:39,266 --> 01:18:42,579
And at this point, the old
studio guard is falling apart.
1874
01:18:42,614 --> 01:18:45,859
They no longer really knew
what the kids wanted to see.
1875
01:18:45,893 --> 01:18:49,207
The production code, which
had been in effect from 1934,
1876
01:18:49,241 --> 01:18:52,762
was woefully out of date,
and there's just really a sense
1877
01:18:52,797 --> 01:18:54,108
that you know, we had
to push the envelope,
1878
01:18:54,143 --> 01:18:56,766
and in a counter cultural
forward time,
1879
01:18:56,801 --> 01:18:59,217
that if you pushed it rightly,
you would get this audience.
1880
01:18:59,251 --> 01:19:01,598
Giving an X rating to
"Beyond the Valley of the Dolls"
1881
01:19:01,633 --> 01:19:03,600
was certainly the ticket.
1882
01:19:03,635 --> 01:19:08,744
It opened the doors for
Joe Normal to go to an X movie
1883
01:19:08,778 --> 01:19:11,781
and not have to hide
in a raincoat.
1884
01:19:11,816 --> 01:19:13,887
But in today's
horrifying world,
1885
01:19:13,921 --> 01:19:15,578
it wouldn't have gotten
an X rating.
1886
01:19:15,612 --> 01:19:17,269
He would have gotten
an R rating.
1887
01:19:17,304 --> 01:19:19,893
Probably that helped
to make it a cult classic
1888
01:19:19,927 --> 01:19:23,897
because when someone can't
get something, they want it.
1889
01:19:23,931 --> 01:19:30,317
And it became a cult movie
because it was discovered again.
1890
01:19:30,351 --> 01:19:31,905
I always wonder
what it was like
1891
01:19:31,939 --> 01:19:35,909
for Roger Ebert in 1970
to be this famous film critic
1892
01:19:35,943 --> 01:19:38,497
and then to release a movie
that is an X.
1893
01:19:38,532 --> 01:19:42,087
Roger Ebert, to put his name
on a film that crazy
1894
01:19:42,122 --> 01:19:43,813
takes so much courage.
1895
01:19:43,848 --> 01:19:45,642
And Russ always used
1896
01:19:45,677 --> 01:19:50,164
some sort of theme
running through his films
1897
01:19:50,199 --> 01:19:53,823
that was the social topic
of the time.
1898
01:19:53,858 --> 01:19:56,930
I mean, in "Vixen," it was the
Communist hijacking the plane.
1899
01:19:56,964 --> 01:19:58,655
And then "Beyond the Valley
of the Dolls,"
1900
01:19:58,690 --> 01:20:00,485
of course, it was the Manson.
1901
01:20:00,519 --> 01:20:04,144
That sort of ran through,
you know, especially at the end.
1902
01:20:04,178 --> 01:20:06,111
I mean,
it's hard not to see that.
1903
01:20:06,146 --> 01:20:08,458
What makes the movie
fascinating to me
1904
01:20:08,493 --> 01:20:11,841
is that it's making fun
of its time,
1905
01:20:11,876 --> 01:20:14,016
which is the late sixties,
early seventies,
1906
01:20:14,050 --> 01:20:16,639
but it's actually being filmed
during its time,
1907
01:20:16,673 --> 01:20:19,849
which makes it
kind of one step ahead
1908
01:20:19,884 --> 01:20:23,370
or smarter than the films
that it's spoofing.
1909
01:20:23,404 --> 01:20:26,373
And adds a very cautious layer
of social satire.
1910
01:20:26,407 --> 01:20:29,307
No, in L.A.
1911
01:20:29,341 --> 01:20:31,516
- Where is that?
- We'd get crushed.
1912
01:20:31,550 --> 01:20:32,862
- Not us.
- Smog.
1913
01:20:32,897 --> 01:20:35,140
- Climb a tall tree.
- Lousy traffic.
1914
01:20:35,175 --> 01:20:37,142
- Love to walk.
- No culture.
1915
01:20:37,177 --> 01:20:39,489
- Grooves a lot.
- Cold and cruel.
1916
01:20:39,524 --> 01:20:41,664
- Swimming pool.
- Phony city.
1917
01:20:41,698 --> 01:20:43,666
- So pretty.
- Religious nuts.
1918
01:20:43,700 --> 01:20:47,221
Not only a satire
of Hollywood, it's a musical.
1919
01:20:54,919 --> 01:20:56,541
But it looks
so much like, oh, cool.
1920
01:20:56,575 --> 01:20:57,853
This is going to be
like a sixties
1921
01:20:57,887 --> 01:20:59,751
kind of like
rock 'n' roll movie,
1922
01:20:59,785 --> 01:21:03,513
and it goes nuts
almost immediately.
1923
01:21:03,548 --> 01:21:05,170
You're a groovy boy.
1924
01:21:05,205 --> 01:21:07,863
I'd like to strap you on sometime.
1925
01:21:12,384 --> 01:21:15,249
They just loved it
1926
01:21:15,284 --> 01:21:17,734
or thought it was
a piece of trash.
1927
01:21:20,565 --> 01:21:24,362
If I could pick one actor
from all of cult film history
1928
01:21:24,396 --> 01:21:26,536
and anoint him
into leading man status,
1929
01:21:26,571 --> 01:21:28,918
I would absolutely
do John Lazar.
1930
01:21:28,953 --> 01:21:32,025
- Ronnie Barzell?
- You mean Z-Man Barzell?
1931
01:21:32,059 --> 01:21:37,271
I read that script
and I just loved that character.
1932
01:21:37,306 --> 01:21:40,274
I mean, how about
starting at the top?
1933
01:21:40,309 --> 01:21:43,553
This is my happening
and it freaks me out.
1934
01:21:43,588 --> 01:21:45,210
Oh, it's a stone gas, man.
1935
01:21:45,245 --> 01:21:48,110
- Pray, we must make haste.
- My time is not my own.
1936
01:21:48,144 --> 01:21:52,114
Before the clock strikes 12,
I must be back at Forest Lawn.
1937
01:21:52,148 --> 01:21:55,634
When Z-Man gets
a little testy, you know,
1938
01:21:55,669 --> 01:21:59,915
"you will drink the black sperm
of my vengeance."
1939
01:21:59,949 --> 01:22:05,265
You will drink the black sperm
of my vengeance.
1940
01:22:05,299 --> 01:22:07,094
When you look
at what John Lazar
1941
01:22:07,129 --> 01:22:08,647
is pulling off in that movie,
1942
01:22:08,682 --> 01:22:11,443
he is running around in tights
and quoting Shakespeare
1943
01:22:11,478 --> 01:22:14,239
and murdering people
and being dangerous and sexy
1944
01:22:14,274 --> 01:22:17,760
and scary and powerful
and charismatic.
1945
01:22:17,794 --> 01:22:20,970
I mean, that is a guy who I
think could have done anything.
1946
01:22:21,005 --> 01:22:22,972
Or he at least could have
had the best career
1947
01:22:23,007 --> 01:22:25,319
playing brilliant villains.
1948
01:22:25,354 --> 01:22:28,081
And indeed,
it is not a game we play.
1949
01:22:28,115 --> 01:22:31,084
I am Superwoman.
1950
01:22:31,118 --> 01:22:33,949
I mean, I'm running around
with tits and this sword
1951
01:22:33,983 --> 01:22:36,952
and there's drugs,
rock 'n' roll, sex.
1952
01:22:38,367 --> 01:22:40,507
Oh, my God, no.
1953
01:22:40,541 --> 01:22:42,854
You've been a broad all along,
right, Barzell?
1954
01:22:42,888 --> 01:22:44,994
A goddamn broad!
1955
01:22:45,029 --> 01:22:46,789
A goddamn ugly broad, Barzell!
1956
01:22:46,823 --> 01:22:49,861
An ugly broad!
1957
01:22:52,312 --> 01:22:53,727
No, Ronnie! No!
1958
01:22:55,556 --> 01:22:59,284
The scene
that most people remember
1959
01:22:59,319 --> 01:23:03,012
was the scene where my head
gets blown off by Z-Man.
1960
01:23:03,047 --> 01:23:06,809
Yes, it was
a tough scene to shoot
1961
01:23:06,843 --> 01:23:08,466
first of all because the gun,
1962
01:23:08,500 --> 01:23:13,126
it was scraping
the roof of my mouth.
1963
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:16,370
The makeup man that won the
awards for "Planet of the Apes"
1964
01:23:16,405 --> 01:23:19,132
is the one that made the mask
1965
01:23:19,166 --> 01:23:21,997
that they had tubes
running through.
1966
01:23:22,031 --> 01:23:24,654
And they pushed down
on the tubes
1967
01:23:24,689 --> 01:23:27,036
and then blood would squirt out
my nose my mouth and my eyes.
1968
01:23:27,071 --> 01:23:28,658
Aah!
1969
01:23:29,901 --> 01:23:32,697
The outfit that Z-Man
ends up giving me
1970
01:23:32,731 --> 01:23:35,148
when we take acid
or whatever it is
1971
01:23:35,182 --> 01:23:40,049
was the original Julie Newmar
Catwoman costume.
1972
01:23:40,084 --> 01:23:43,673
Casey, Cynthia,
was given the Robin outfit.
1973
01:23:43,708 --> 01:23:44,847
- What?
- A Ancient potion
1974
01:23:44,881 --> 01:23:46,331
by Merlin the magician,
Boy Wonder.
1975
01:23:46,366 --> 01:23:49,058
Just add one part peyote
and some other benign goodies.
1976
01:23:49,093 --> 01:23:50,887
It's only a small dose, Casey.
1977
01:23:50,922 --> 01:23:52,510
You know how Z-Man is.
1978
01:23:52,544 --> 01:23:57,032
That costume was carrying
a lot of vibrations.
1979
01:23:57,066 --> 01:24:02,520
Russ was a very harsh director.
1980
01:24:02,554 --> 01:24:04,591
As I said, he was like
a big teddy bear.
1981
01:24:04,625 --> 01:24:06,938
That he was very caring.
1982
01:24:06,972 --> 01:24:10,355
That he had a sense of humor.
1983
01:24:10,390 --> 01:24:12,185
You never said no
to Russ ever.
1984
01:24:12,219 --> 01:24:17,362
I mean, the more hot
the conditions,
1985
01:24:17,397 --> 01:24:21,539
the more terrible everything is,
1986
01:24:21,573 --> 01:24:22,919
that's what Russ thrived on.
1987
01:24:22,954 --> 01:24:24,369
That pushed him forward.
1988
01:24:24,404 --> 01:24:27,096
I think that came
from his army days.
1989
01:24:27,131 --> 01:24:28,615
This was his big chance
1990
01:24:28,649 --> 01:24:31,549
because it was with
20th Century Fox.
1991
01:24:31,583 --> 01:24:35,553
"Beyond the Valley of the
Dolls" from 20th Century Fox.
1992
01:24:35,587 --> 01:24:37,934
I'm very sensitive,
and he would say,
1993
01:24:37,969 --> 01:24:39,729
I could replace you, you know.
1994
01:24:39,764 --> 01:24:44,217
One of his pet peeves
is when actors blink.
1995
01:24:44,251 --> 01:24:46,391
He says,
you blink, I cut away.
1996
01:24:46,426 --> 01:24:48,980
There was one scene at dinner,
1997
01:24:49,014 --> 01:24:53,467
and I'm eating like this
and my eyes are like saucers.
1998
01:24:53,502 --> 01:24:55,814
And he's got these reflectors
on you,
1999
01:24:55,849 --> 01:24:59,232
and you're like, hey, you know,
like squinting your eyes.
2000
01:24:59,266 --> 01:25:01,751
And he's like, nope, cut.
2001
01:25:01,786 --> 01:25:03,408
You blinked again.
2002
01:25:03,443 --> 01:25:07,619
And then Russ wanted me
to have an orgasm on screen,
2003
01:25:07,654 --> 01:25:12,141
and I'm like, Russ, it's hard
to have an orgasm offscreen.
2004
01:25:12,176 --> 01:25:14,592
Just when I was supposed to be
at that crucial moment,
2005
01:25:14,626 --> 01:25:15,972
then there's a scene
2006
01:25:16,007 --> 01:25:19,321
of somebody dripping
pancake batter on a hot...
2007
01:25:21,012 --> 01:25:23,325
I am honored to be a part
2008
01:25:23,359 --> 01:25:28,123
of one of the greatest
cult movies of all time.
2009
01:25:28,157 --> 01:25:32,023
And I would have never thought
2010
01:25:32,057 --> 01:25:35,026
that that would be
sort of my legacy.
2011
01:25:35,060 --> 01:25:36,959
And here it is.
2012
01:25:36,993 --> 01:25:39,064
It's pretty good, right?
2013
01:25:40,997 --> 01:25:43,276
It's "all about Eve" set
in Vegas, I always kind of...
2014
01:25:43,310 --> 01:25:46,037
But not as good.
2015
01:25:46,071 --> 01:25:48,350
That's terrible.
That's a terrible thing to say.
2016
01:25:51,836 --> 01:25:54,459
I took a history of world
cinema class in college,
2017
01:25:54,494 --> 01:25:57,497
and the professor for that
course showed us "Showgirls"
2018
01:25:57,531 --> 01:26:00,534
and had written an essay
about how the world will owe
2019
01:26:00,569 --> 01:26:02,191
everyone involved with it
an apology
2020
01:26:02,226 --> 01:26:04,331
for trashing it
when it first came out.
2021
01:26:06,540 --> 01:26:08,853
Paul Verhoeven's "Showgirls."
2022
01:26:08,887 --> 01:26:11,545
Written by Joe Eszterhas.
What is the plot?
2023
01:26:11,580 --> 01:26:17,068
A young woman coming to the city
trying to make good.
2024
01:26:17,102 --> 01:26:19,519
It's sort of sinful
the way chocolate is sinful.
2025
01:26:19,553 --> 01:26:22,177
You can sit a little bit
closer if you want.
2026
01:26:22,211 --> 01:26:26,215
The whole idea of "Showgirls"
was an alluring thing.
2027
01:26:26,250 --> 01:26:28,666
There hadn't been anything
done like that prior.
2028
01:26:28,700 --> 01:26:31,186
This brain-dead girl
who goes to Vegas
2029
01:26:31,220 --> 01:26:33,740
and every cliché happens,
including, you know,
2030
01:26:33,774 --> 01:26:35,500
getting laid
in the swimming pool.
2031
01:26:35,535 --> 01:26:38,227
The satirical aspect
to "Showgirls," you know,
2032
01:26:38,262 --> 01:26:41,230
it had some
very biting moments to it.
2033
01:26:41,265 --> 01:26:43,025
My name's Penny.
2034
01:26:43,059 --> 01:26:44,337
- They want class, dumb
- dumb.
2035
01:26:44,371 --> 01:26:45,717
They don't want to fuck a Penny.
2036
01:26:45,752 --> 01:26:49,031
They want to fuck a Heather
or a Tiffany.
2037
01:26:49,065 --> 01:26:52,586
Honestly, when I first read
the script,
2038
01:26:52,621 --> 01:26:54,761
it didn't seem as intense
2039
01:26:54,795 --> 01:26:57,902
as how the movie
turned out in the end.
2040
01:26:57,936 --> 01:26:58,937
It's provocative.
2041
01:26:58,972 --> 01:27:00,560
This rag to riches girl,
2042
01:27:00,594 --> 01:27:02,527
you know, wanting to succeed.
2043
01:27:02,562 --> 01:27:05,220
I just hope that I can be
as good as the show.
2044
01:27:05,254 --> 01:27:07,256
And then also
taking them into a world
2045
01:27:07,291 --> 01:27:09,879
that they hadn't experienced
from behind the scenes.
2046
01:27:09,914 --> 01:27:11,087
That's always
interesting to see.
2047
01:27:11,122 --> 01:27:12,710
There's a message
in the ravioli.
2048
01:27:12,744 --> 01:27:14,056
It fills you up.
2049
01:27:14,090 --> 01:27:15,575
There's still
a lingering message,
2050
01:27:15,609 --> 01:27:16,921
a cautionary tale.
2051
01:27:16,955 --> 01:27:18,716
I don't know
how good you are, darling,
2052
01:27:18,750 --> 01:27:21,546
and I don't know
what it is you're good at.
2053
01:27:21,581 --> 01:27:23,238
But if it's at The Cheetah,
2054
01:27:23,272 --> 01:27:25,447
it's not dancing,
I know that much.
2055
01:27:25,481 --> 01:27:26,965
You don't know shit.
2056
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:29,105
When I first met
Joe Eszterhas,
2057
01:27:29,140 --> 01:27:30,762
I think he thought I was crazy
2058
01:27:30,797 --> 01:27:34,249
because I was so into the part
that I'd broken it down.
2059
01:27:34,283 --> 01:27:36,423
I'm like, I know what you did.
2060
01:27:36,458 --> 01:27:37,942
I was really into
that Aphrodite myth.
2061
01:27:37,976 --> 01:27:39,254
I'm like, I'm Aphrodite,
2062
01:27:39,288 --> 01:27:41,290
she's Psyche, he's Cupid.
2063
01:27:41,325 --> 01:27:42,636
And I'm going into
the whole mythology,
2064
01:27:42,671 --> 01:27:44,120
and he's looking at me,
he's like,
2065
01:27:44,155 --> 01:27:46,330
I have no idea
what you're talking about.
2066
01:27:47,952 --> 01:27:49,988
"Showgirls" became a cult picture
2067
01:27:50,023 --> 01:27:51,921
because it was failed seriousness,
2068
01:27:51,956 --> 01:27:53,647
but on a grand scale.
2069
01:27:53,682 --> 01:27:56,271
I mean, it was Paul Verhoeven
with big production values.
2070
01:27:56,305 --> 01:28:00,102
He made "Basic Instinct,"
and this was like big time.
2071
01:28:00,136 --> 01:28:02,277
What makes anything
a cult classic?
2072
01:28:02,311 --> 01:28:03,588
It's the fans.
2073
01:28:03,623 --> 01:28:05,107
You know, secretly
in the back of my head
2074
01:28:05,141 --> 01:28:06,177
I thought, okay,
the drag queens.
2075
01:28:06,211 --> 01:28:07,661
If I succeed in this part,
2076
01:28:07,696 --> 01:28:09,422
they'll want to dress like me
for Halloween,
2077
01:28:09,456 --> 01:28:12,597
which they did,
so I felt like I did my job.
2078
01:28:12,632 --> 01:28:13,943
I actually think
that "Showgirls"
2079
01:28:13,978 --> 01:28:16,670
is sort of half camp
and half a good movie.
2080
01:28:16,705 --> 01:28:18,603
I really like
Elizabeth Berkley in it.
2081
01:28:18,638 --> 01:28:20,778
I think she has
a genuine fury in that role,
2082
01:28:20,812 --> 01:28:23,298
and that's what makes
the movie work.
2083
01:28:23,332 --> 01:28:24,437
Oh!
2084
01:28:24,471 --> 01:28:25,507
It kind of took on
2085
01:28:25,541 --> 01:28:26,611
a "Rocky Horror Picture" vibe
2086
01:28:26,646 --> 01:28:28,026
because all of a sudden
2087
01:28:28,061 --> 01:28:30,960
they were showing midnight
viewings of "Showgirls"
2088
01:28:30,995 --> 01:28:33,135
where people would dress up
and say the lines.
2089
01:28:33,169 --> 01:28:34,999
"Showgirls" being probably
2090
01:28:35,033 --> 01:28:37,795
the greatest example
of a misfire by a studio
2091
01:28:37,829 --> 01:28:42,006
and then finding a devoted crowd
in these repertory cinemas
2092
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:44,629
that saw the film
in a totally different way
2093
01:28:44,664 --> 01:28:46,631
than it was originally made.
2094
01:28:46,666 --> 01:28:48,806
You know, they kept calling
me back and calling me back,
2095
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:50,532
and I knew I was
kind of nailing the audition.
2096
01:28:50,566 --> 01:28:52,154
And, you know,
I'm in my character
2097
01:28:52,188 --> 01:28:54,363
and dressed up and all that,
2098
01:28:54,398 --> 01:28:56,227
and as soon as I did the kick,
2099
01:28:56,261 --> 01:28:59,161
I literally heard this
like crrrrk!
2100
01:28:59,195 --> 01:29:01,336
And I thought, you know, oh, no.
2101
01:29:01,370 --> 01:29:03,821
If you show that you hurt
yourself, you lost the gig.
2102
01:29:03,855 --> 01:29:05,685
And I don't know why
I just like pulled
2103
01:29:05,719 --> 01:29:08,170
a total
like Cristal diva moment.
2104
01:29:08,204 --> 01:29:10,172
"I just don't feel it.
I'll come back and dance."
2105
01:29:10,206 --> 01:29:11,725
And they're like, what?
And I'm like, yeah.
2106
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:13,071
I'm not feeling it.
And I just left.
2107
01:29:13,106 --> 01:29:16,489
It worked.
I got the gig, you know.
2108
01:29:16,523 --> 01:29:17,662
I want you to meet Hope.
2109
01:29:17,697 --> 01:29:19,492
Like we were playing it
so serious
2110
01:29:19,526 --> 01:29:23,358
instead of playing the comedy
that's actually in the script.
2111
01:29:23,392 --> 01:29:24,842
They take it out,
cum all over you,
2112
01:29:24,876 --> 01:29:26,844
call the bouncer
unless he gives you a big tip.
2113
01:29:26,878 --> 01:29:29,743
If he gives you a big tip,
it's okay.
2114
01:29:29,778 --> 01:29:31,227
Okay.
2115
01:29:31,262 --> 01:29:33,506
When I got the movie,
I was really excited
2116
01:29:33,540 --> 01:29:37,579
because I was a huge fan
of Paul's European films.
2117
01:29:37,613 --> 01:29:39,063
You know, I'm thinking,
2118
01:29:39,097 --> 01:29:41,686
oh, I'm going to go be
in this Wagner concert,
2119
01:29:41,721 --> 01:29:44,724
you know, this Wagner-like
opera, you know.
2120
01:29:44,758 --> 01:29:48,728
So I made Cristal
pretty intense.
2121
01:29:48,762 --> 01:29:50,419
When I got to the set,
2122
01:29:50,454 --> 01:29:54,389
it was more kind of like
a Britney Spears concert.
2123
01:29:54,423 --> 01:29:57,288
Ladies and gentlemen,
the Stardust proudly presents
2124
01:29:57,322 --> 01:29:59,255
Miss Cristal Connors.
2125
01:30:01,982 --> 01:30:04,226
It was like Technicolor,
you know.
2126
01:30:04,260 --> 01:30:06,608
And so I basically
just did a 180,
2127
01:30:06,642 --> 01:30:08,092
and I changed my character.
2128
01:30:08,126 --> 01:30:12,130
You see, darling,
you are a whore.
2129
01:30:14,788 --> 01:30:16,756
Bitch!
2130
01:30:16,790 --> 01:30:18,896
I just thought
it was like kind of kitsch
2131
01:30:18,930 --> 01:30:21,623
and over the top
and kind of funny and weird.
2132
01:30:21,657 --> 01:30:24,729
And then when it was very
seriously, you know...
2133
01:30:24,764 --> 01:30:27,076
You can't take that movie
too seriously.
2134
01:30:27,111 --> 01:30:29,285
I'm kind of dancing naked
a little bit
2135
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:33,151
and, you know, I'm hanging on
by a rope in an S&M outfit
2136
01:30:33,186 --> 01:30:34,739
looking down
at all these dancers
2137
01:30:34,774 --> 01:30:37,811
thinking, wow,
like how did I get here?
2138
01:30:37,846 --> 01:30:38,950
Like I studied the classics.
2139
01:30:38,985 --> 01:30:40,573
Like I was
supposed to do Chekhov.
2140
01:30:40,607 --> 01:30:41,919
I'm doing Tennessee Williams,
you know.
2141
01:30:41,953 --> 01:30:43,265
I want to do Greek tragedies.
2142
01:30:43,299 --> 01:30:44,749
It's like, shit.
2143
01:30:44,784 --> 01:30:46,302
Do you like my nails?
2144
01:30:46,337 --> 01:30:48,304
People choose their friends
2145
01:30:48,339 --> 01:30:51,480
according to if you're in
the "Showgirls" culture
2146
01:30:51,515 --> 01:30:53,102
and you understand the dialogue
2147
01:30:53,137 --> 01:30:56,312
and you can rattle off
the scenes.
2148
01:30:56,347 --> 01:30:57,935
So I want my nipples to press,
2149
01:30:57,969 --> 01:31:00,938
but I don't want them
to look like their levitating.
2150
01:31:00,972 --> 01:31:02,767
It has a whole new life now.
2151
01:31:02,802 --> 01:31:06,771
Dennis Miller,
on one of his HBO specials
2152
01:31:06,806 --> 01:31:10,948
had said there are two great
lines in all of film history.
2153
01:31:10,982 --> 01:31:14,330
There is "frankly, my dear,
I don't give a damn."
2154
01:31:14,365 --> 01:31:16,471
"I could've been a contender."
2155
01:31:16,505 --> 01:31:18,162
Marlon Brando
in "On the Waterfront."
2156
01:31:18,196 --> 01:31:20,613
And "it must be weird
not having somebody cum on you."
2157
01:31:20,647 --> 01:31:22,338
Thank you, Bobby Davi.
2158
01:31:22,373 --> 01:31:25,790
It must be weird
not having anybody cum on you.
2159
01:31:25,825 --> 01:31:27,965
I wonder if in 1995
2160
01:31:27,999 --> 01:31:31,140
if anyone was going
to review "Showgirls" fairly.
2161
01:31:31,175 --> 01:31:34,972
It's an NC-17 movie,
so people feel dirty going in.
2162
01:31:35,006 --> 01:31:37,043
It's a film that's very extreme.
2163
01:31:37,077 --> 01:31:38,493
It's a film
that's very bright.
2164
01:31:38,527 --> 01:31:40,046
It's a film that's very forward.
2165
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:42,151
And I think it really
didn't get a fair shake
2166
01:31:42,186 --> 01:31:43,325
because I think critically,
2167
01:31:43,359 --> 01:31:45,879
people were extremely afraid
2168
01:31:45,914 --> 01:31:47,985
to really deal with what it was.
2169
01:31:48,019 --> 01:31:51,816
I have to say, like to this
day I cannot do an interview
2170
01:31:51,851 --> 01:31:54,060
without some of those
same critics
2171
01:31:54,094 --> 01:31:55,510
saying, so what about "Showgirls?"
2172
01:31:55,544 --> 01:31:56,683
And it's like, wait a second.
2173
01:31:56,718 --> 01:31:58,409
Weren't you the guy
who panned it?
2174
01:31:58,443 --> 01:32:01,550
Like if you hated it so much,
why are we still discussing it?
2175
01:32:01,585 --> 01:32:02,862
I think the critics
2176
01:32:02,896 --> 01:32:05,002
want to have it both ways
on "Showgirls."
2177
01:32:05,036 --> 01:32:08,177
I think they really... a lot
of people do like it now,
2178
01:32:08,212 --> 01:32:09,247
but they don't want to admit it,
2179
01:32:09,282 --> 01:32:10,663
so it has to be
a guilty pleasure.
2180
01:32:10,697 --> 01:32:12,699
It has to be so bad it's good.
2181
01:32:12,734 --> 01:32:14,736
There are a few of those
Joe Eszterhas lines
2182
01:32:14,770 --> 01:32:16,910
that are definitely
over the top.
2183
01:32:16,945 --> 01:32:18,360
If you want to last
longer than a week,
2184
01:32:18,394 --> 01:32:20,120
you give me a blow job.
2185
01:32:22,088 --> 01:32:23,917
First I get you
used to the money,
2186
01:32:23,952 --> 01:32:25,919
then I make you swallow.
2187
01:32:25,954 --> 01:32:29,716
At the box office,
it wasn't number one
2188
01:32:29,751 --> 01:32:31,891
and it didn't make
all the money back.
2189
01:32:31,925 --> 01:32:36,412
But it made how much?
100 million?
2190
01:32:36,447 --> 01:32:41,866
$100 million
for the DVD sales and VHS.
2191
01:32:41,901 --> 01:32:43,868
It made a lot of money.
2192
01:32:43,903 --> 01:32:45,456
To me, the real tragedy
2193
01:32:45,490 --> 01:32:47,769
is that America could not
really embrace "Showgirls"
2194
01:32:47,803 --> 01:32:52,049
in September of 1995
as the masterpiece that it is.
2195
01:32:52,083 --> 01:32:56,260
I was just hoping that
it would launch my career,
2196
01:32:56,294 --> 01:32:58,262
and I didn't know
it was going to stick around
2197
01:32:58,296 --> 01:33:02,715
and get stronger and stronger
after 20-something years.
2198
01:33:02,749 --> 01:33:06,235
But then it turns out that...
2199
01:33:06,270 --> 01:33:09,135
that is my career.
2200
01:33:09,169 --> 01:33:13,657
Even no matter how much I work,
it's always "Showgirls."
2201
01:33:15,313 --> 01:33:17,074
The "so bad, it's good" thing
2202
01:33:17,108 --> 01:33:18,972
really sort of came to a head
with Ed Wood,
2203
01:33:19,007 --> 01:33:20,940
who was a filmmaker
2204
01:33:20,974 --> 01:33:24,115
who no one saw his movies
except us kids,
2205
01:33:24,150 --> 01:33:26,083
who would watch "Plan 9
From Outer Space" on television.
2206
01:33:26,117 --> 01:33:27,636
But you have to admire the fact
2207
01:33:27,671 --> 01:33:29,776
that he was able to personalize
something for himself
2208
01:33:29,811 --> 01:33:32,123
and turn it into
these threadbare movies
2209
01:33:32,158 --> 01:33:35,264
that he actually got made
and got released.
2210
01:33:35,299 --> 01:33:36,507
A lot of them.
2211
01:33:36,541 --> 01:33:37,750
- And a lot of them.
- Yeah.
2212
01:33:37,784 --> 01:33:39,614
And he thought
no one knew who he was,
2213
01:33:39,648 --> 01:33:42,099
which they kind of didn't
while he was alive.
2214
01:33:42,133 --> 01:33:44,998
But then as soon as he passed
away, just like Orson Welles,
2215
01:33:45,033 --> 01:33:46,655
as soon as he passed away,
oh, we loved him.
2216
01:33:46,690 --> 01:33:47,760
We always loved him.
2217
01:33:47,794 --> 01:33:49,520
But the sensibility of the movie
2218
01:33:49,554 --> 01:33:54,525
is that what's funny about it
is its attempts to be serious.
2219
01:33:54,559 --> 01:33:56,769
But is it outsider art?
It almost is.
2220
01:33:56,803 --> 01:33:58,184
It is outsider art.
2221
01:33:58,218 --> 01:33:59,944
It is outsider art in a way.
2222
01:33:59,979 --> 01:34:01,946
It's like something
that he didn't do that
2223
01:34:01,981 --> 01:34:04,328
to be in any way arty
or humorous or anything.
2224
01:34:04,362 --> 01:34:05,640
He was dead serious about it,
2225
01:34:05,674 --> 01:34:08,332
but unhinged enough
to not understand
2226
01:34:08,366 --> 01:34:09,644
that the rest of the world
2227
01:34:09,678 --> 01:34:10,990
didn't quite think
the way he did.
2228
01:34:11,024 --> 01:34:12,785
Single-minded cluelessness.
2229
01:34:12,819 --> 01:34:14,234
That's right,
that's right, that's right.
2230
01:34:20,171 --> 01:34:21,794
Greetings, my friend.
2231
01:34:21,828 --> 01:34:23,865
We are all interested
in the future,
2232
01:34:23,899 --> 01:34:25,314
for that is where you and I
2233
01:34:25,349 --> 01:34:28,490
are going to spend
the rest of our lives.
2234
01:34:28,524 --> 01:34:32,667
And remember, my friends,
future events such as these
2235
01:34:32,701 --> 01:34:35,014
will affect you in the future.
2236
01:34:35,048 --> 01:34:37,326
Ed Wood should be
remembered as sort of
2237
01:34:37,361 --> 01:34:41,158
one of the groundbreaking
indie filmmakers in America.
2238
01:34:41,192 --> 01:34:42,815
The insanity
of the whole thing.
2239
01:34:42,849 --> 01:34:45,162
I mean, he's trying to make
an epic sci-fi movie.
2240
01:34:45,196 --> 01:34:49,235
Paper plates are spinning around
pretending to be flying saucers.
2241
01:34:49,269 --> 01:34:51,375
I mean, it's just hilarious
that he would do that.
2242
01:34:51,409 --> 01:34:54,827
I think "Plan 9 From
Outer Space" is infectious.
2243
01:34:54,861 --> 01:34:56,173
"Plan 9 From Outer Space"
2244
01:34:56,207 --> 01:34:59,072
is Edward Wood's
sci-fi invasion picture.
2245
01:34:59,107 --> 01:35:01,696
But last night
I saw a flying object
2246
01:35:01,730 --> 01:35:03,698
that couldn't have possibly
been from this planet.
2247
01:35:06,735 --> 01:35:08,599
A bunch of aliens
show up on earth
2248
01:35:08,633 --> 01:35:11,360
and they use their powers
to re-animate the dead,
2249
01:35:11,395 --> 01:35:13,052
who then start
stalking the earth
2250
01:35:13,086 --> 01:35:15,744
and turning into kind of
quasi-vampire sort of things?
2251
01:35:15,779 --> 01:35:17,090
I don't know.
It's a little confusing.
2252
01:35:17,125 --> 01:35:18,609
They refuse our existence.
2253
01:35:18,643 --> 01:35:20,059
What plan will you follow now?
2254
01:35:20,093 --> 01:35:21,267
Plan 9.
2255
01:35:21,301 --> 01:35:22,751
Ah, yes, plan 9
2256
01:35:22,786 --> 01:35:25,098
deals with the resurrection
of the dead.
2257
01:35:25,133 --> 01:35:26,582
You have the fact
2258
01:35:26,617 --> 01:35:28,377
that it went into
the public domain rather early,
2259
01:35:28,412 --> 01:35:30,103
and therefore it's a free movie.
2260
01:35:30,138 --> 01:35:32,036
So one of the reasons
people know it
2261
01:35:32,071 --> 01:35:35,039
is because people programmed it
on television a lot,
2262
01:35:35,074 --> 01:35:36,558
and that added to its cult.
2263
01:35:36,592 --> 01:35:38,215
And what draws people
to that movie,
2264
01:35:38,249 --> 01:35:40,424
I think there is
the sort of Halloween,
2265
01:35:40,458 --> 01:35:43,461
do-it-yourself homemade-ness.
2266
01:35:43,496 --> 01:35:46,741
Either the dialogue is so
ridiculous it throws you out.
2267
01:35:46,775 --> 01:35:48,570
Suppose that saucer
or whatever it was
2268
01:35:48,604 --> 01:35:50,296
had something to do with this?
2269
01:35:50,330 --> 01:35:52,608
Your guess
is as good as mine, Larry.
2270
01:35:52,643 --> 01:35:55,266
One thing sure.
2271
01:35:55,301 --> 01:35:59,615
Inspector Clay's dead
and somebody's responsible.
2272
01:35:59,650 --> 01:36:01,583
Or the dialogue
is so ridiculous
2273
01:36:01,617 --> 01:36:03,136
and the actors are so inept.
2274
01:36:03,171 --> 01:36:05,311
You see? You see?
2275
01:36:05,345 --> 01:36:08,452
Your stupid minds!
Stupid! Stupid!
2276
01:36:08,486 --> 01:36:09,764
That's all I'm taking
from you.
2277
01:36:09,798 --> 01:36:11,524
Get back here, you jerk!
2278
01:36:14,699 --> 01:36:16,425
What do you make of that?
2279
01:36:16,460 --> 01:36:17,633
You got me.
2280
01:36:17,668 --> 01:36:19,083
Didn't look that way
a minute ago.
2281
01:36:19,118 --> 01:36:21,430
You know, so many people
want to be filmmakers,
2282
01:36:21,465 --> 01:36:23,812
but they wait for someone
to give them permission.
2283
01:36:23,847 --> 01:36:25,952
And that's part of the dilemma
of being a filmmaker
2284
01:36:25,987 --> 01:36:27,643
is you need someone
to give you money.
2285
01:36:27,678 --> 01:36:28,921
Ed didn't wait.
2286
01:36:28,955 --> 01:36:31,095
Ed went out
and if he had 500 bucks,
2287
01:36:31,130 --> 01:36:32,683
he'd go shoot a day with Bela
Lugosi coming out of his house.
2288
01:36:32,717 --> 01:36:34,133
There's no narrative there.
2289
01:36:34,167 --> 01:36:35,651
It's just Bela Lugosi
coming out of his house.
2290
01:36:35,686 --> 01:36:37,446
Five years later,
he'll turn that into a film.
2291
01:36:37,481 --> 01:36:39,103
The ever beautiful flowers
2292
01:36:39,138 --> 01:36:41,623
she had planted
with her own hands
2293
01:36:41,657 --> 01:36:46,455
became nothing more than
the lost roses of her cheeks.
2294
01:36:46,490 --> 01:36:49,942
What makes it a cult picture,
it was Bela Lugosi's last film.
2295
01:36:49,976 --> 01:36:51,288
Watching Bela Lugosi
2296
01:36:51,322 --> 01:36:53,946
and knowing that he died
before it was done.
2297
01:36:53,980 --> 01:36:57,846
All of us on this earth know
that there's a time to live
2298
01:36:57,881 --> 01:37:00,642
and that there is a time to die.
2299
01:37:00,676 --> 01:37:03,956
And that there was a stand-in
pretending to be Bela Lugosi.
2300
01:37:03,990 --> 01:37:06,027
And then when
you have the information
2301
01:37:06,061 --> 01:37:07,994
it was actually
Ed Wood's dentist,
2302
01:37:08,029 --> 01:37:10,134
who he dragged into the thing
2303
01:37:10,169 --> 01:37:12,654
because the guy
just was so starstruck.
2304
01:37:12,688 --> 01:37:14,380
That kind of captures
how Ed Wood
2305
01:37:14,414 --> 01:37:19,143
was probably
the worst filmmaker of all time,
2306
01:37:19,178 --> 01:37:21,732
but in part because he was
one of the most passionate.
2307
01:37:21,766 --> 01:37:23,838
He was trying
to make great movies.
2308
01:37:23,872 --> 01:37:27,393
"Ed Wood" was the first biopic
that Scott and I had written,
2309
01:37:27,427 --> 01:37:30,223
so we were insanely proud
of the movie.
2310
01:37:30,258 --> 01:37:31,707
Cue Dr. Tom.
2311
01:37:31,742 --> 01:37:33,986
Now?
Yes, now.
2312
01:37:34,020 --> 01:37:35,366
Lurking.
2313
01:37:37,921 --> 01:37:39,232
Be sure
and keep your face covered.
2314
01:37:41,372 --> 01:37:42,684
Isn't it wonderful?
2315
01:37:42,718 --> 01:37:44,341
There was no way of knowing
2316
01:37:44,375 --> 01:37:46,239
when cinema was invented
2317
01:37:46,274 --> 01:37:49,691
that you and I would be able
to connect in our brains
2318
01:37:49,725 --> 01:37:54,420
the idea of a shot over here,
a shot over there cut together,
2319
01:37:54,454 --> 01:37:56,008
that we would make sense of it.
2320
01:37:56,042 --> 01:37:58,217
Well, thank you, Ed Wood,
2321
01:37:58,251 --> 01:38:05,017
for reminding us by virtue
of his genius for ineptitude,
2322
01:38:05,051 --> 01:38:09,435
that this shot over here might
not match this shot over here.
2323
01:38:09,469 --> 01:38:11,713
He breaks the continuity.
2324
01:38:11,747 --> 01:38:13,025
If an audience goes
and sits down
2325
01:38:13,059 --> 01:38:14,612
and they're seeing
a flying saucer movie
2326
01:38:14,647 --> 01:38:17,029
and you can clearly see
the string of the flying saucer
2327
01:38:17,063 --> 01:38:18,271
dangling over the town,
2328
01:38:18,306 --> 01:38:20,239
that will make audiences
roll their eyes.
2329
01:38:20,273 --> 01:38:22,206
It will make them
check out of the movie.
2330
01:38:22,241 --> 01:38:23,449
And cut.
2331
01:38:23,483 --> 01:38:26,728
All right, friends,
prepare for scene 32.
2332
01:38:26,762 --> 01:38:29,938
Mr. Wood,
where's the cockpit set?
2333
01:38:29,973 --> 01:38:31,906
Your standing in it.
2334
01:38:31,940 --> 01:38:34,770
Trouble?
Take a look for yourself.
2335
01:38:36,082 --> 01:38:37,566
What in the world?
2336
01:38:37,601 --> 01:38:39,396
That's nothing
from this world.
2337
01:38:39,430 --> 01:38:40,811
You always hear
these wacky things
2338
01:38:40,845 --> 01:38:42,640
about how he put together
these horrible films,
2339
01:38:42,675 --> 01:38:44,780
but there was always
this heart underneath it.
2340
01:38:44,815 --> 01:38:46,610
We always saw that the movie
that we wrote, "Ed Wood,"
2341
01:38:46,644 --> 01:38:48,923
as a love story
between him and Bela,
2342
01:38:48,957 --> 01:38:50,925
about what happens
when you meet your hero.
2343
01:38:50,959 --> 01:38:52,788
Fuck you!
2344
01:38:52,823 --> 01:38:55,964
Karloff does not deserve
to smell my shit!
2345
01:38:55,999 --> 01:38:59,312
That limey cocksucker
can rot in hell for all I care.
2346
01:38:59,347 --> 01:39:00,486
And we thought
that was something
2347
01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:02,591
that really gave "Ed Wood"
a soul,
2348
01:39:02,626 --> 01:39:04,421
as opposed
to just being a, you know,
2349
01:39:04,455 --> 01:39:08,597
a commentary on a guy
who made bad films.
2350
01:39:08,632 --> 01:39:10,599
What we like to ask
about our characters
2351
01:39:10,634 --> 01:39:12,429
is why will they be remembered?
2352
01:39:12,463 --> 01:39:15,259
And the two reasons why Ed Wood
would be remembered
2353
01:39:15,294 --> 01:39:17,468
is one, is his relationship
with Bela Lugosi,
2354
01:39:17,503 --> 01:39:20,816
and two is he made quote/unquote
the worst movie of all time.
2355
01:39:20,851 --> 01:39:22,611
It gave us an ending,
which the ending was
2356
01:39:22,646 --> 01:39:24,959
he makes the worst film
of all time.
2357
01:39:24,993 --> 01:39:27,444
But according to Ed, it's the
film he'll be remembered for,
2358
01:39:27,478 --> 01:39:29,515
and that's exactly
what he is remembered for.
2359
01:39:29,549 --> 01:39:32,000
So it's that
kind of epic cheapness
2360
01:39:32,035 --> 01:39:33,277
and the fact that there was
2361
01:39:33,312 --> 01:39:35,521
a genuine Hollywood legend
involved in it
2362
01:39:35,555 --> 01:39:38,800
that makes it an irresistible
kind of cult movie.
2363
01:39:38,834 --> 01:39:40,112
Well, you know,
you can complain
2364
01:39:40,146 --> 01:39:41,630
about whether it is
the worst film of all time
2365
01:39:41,665 --> 01:39:43,115
or is that unfair,
but the bottom line,
2366
01:39:43,149 --> 01:39:44,530
that's what put him on the map.
2367
01:39:44,564 --> 01:39:47,291
And, so, you know, I think
at the end of the day,
2368
01:39:47,326 --> 01:39:48,499
at least people are watching it.
2369
01:39:48,534 --> 01:39:49,811
And I think
if people are watching it
2370
01:39:49,845 --> 01:39:51,019
and getting some enjoyment
out of it,
2371
01:39:51,054 --> 01:39:52,365
it's not the worst film
of all time.
2372
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:54,850
Can you prove
that it didn't happen?
2373
01:39:59,407 --> 01:40:01,478
"Glen or Glenda,"
his first film,
2374
01:40:01,512 --> 01:40:03,652
I mean, it's his expression
2375
01:40:03,687 --> 01:40:08,174
of what it was to be
a cross-dresser in the 1950s
2376
01:40:08,209 --> 01:40:10,004
before anyone knew
what this stuff was.
2377
01:40:10,038 --> 01:40:11,315
People.
2378
01:40:11,350 --> 01:40:16,010
All with their own thoughts,
their own ideas.
2379
01:40:18,184 --> 01:40:23,189
One might say there
but for the grace of God go I.
2380
01:40:23,224 --> 01:40:26,572
In some ways in the trans era,
2381
01:40:26,606 --> 01:40:32,060
that movie looks more and more
bold and ahead of its time.
2382
01:40:32,095 --> 01:40:34,407
Glen is engaged to be married
to Barbara,
2383
01:40:34,442 --> 01:40:37,031
a lovely, intelligent girl.
2384
01:40:37,065 --> 01:40:41,380
The problem?
Glenda, Glen's other self.
2385
01:40:41,414 --> 01:40:43,175
He's not had the nerve
to tell her.
2386
01:40:43,209 --> 01:40:47,041
Should he tell Barbara he's
Glenda now before the wedding
2387
01:40:47,075 --> 01:40:49,526
or hit her between the eyes
with it after,
2388
01:40:49,560 --> 01:40:51,390
when it might be too late
for either of them?
2389
01:40:51,424 --> 01:40:52,874
I don't think it's fair
2390
01:40:52,908 --> 01:40:54,255
to call Ed Wood the worst
director of all time.
2391
01:40:54,289 --> 01:40:56,084
I don't even think
Ed's a bad director.
2392
01:40:56,119 --> 01:40:59,191
I mean, I actually think Ed's
a very weird, strange director.
2393
01:40:59,225 --> 01:41:01,917
All right, everybody.
Let's get set up for scene 112.
2394
01:41:01,952 --> 01:41:03,781
Move the crypt stage left,
2395
01:41:03,816 --> 01:41:06,370
and let's get Tor's
makeup effect ready.
2396
01:41:06,405 --> 01:41:09,925
Mr. Wood, what do you think
you're doing?
2397
01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:11,375
I'm directing.
2398
01:41:11,410 --> 01:41:13,722
Not like that, you're not.
2399
01:41:13,757 --> 01:41:16,380
There's no way
to look at "Glen or Glenda"
2400
01:41:16,415 --> 01:41:20,108
and not see a man
making a personal statement,
2401
01:41:20,143 --> 01:41:22,110
and almost an avant-garde
personal statement.
2402
01:41:23,974 --> 01:41:27,426
He is starring, directing,
writing this film,
2403
01:41:27,460 --> 01:41:30,222
and it's all about
his personal dilemma
2404
01:41:30,256 --> 01:41:32,465
about being a transvestite
in that time period.
2405
01:41:32,500 --> 01:41:35,572
And he's doing it with
a narrative section of the movie
2406
01:41:35,606 --> 01:41:36,952
and he's doing it
with these avant-garde sections.
2407
01:41:36,987 --> 01:41:40,094
I mean, it's incredibly strange,
2408
01:41:40,128 --> 01:41:41,785
and I actually think
once you know the true story,
2409
01:41:41,819 --> 01:41:45,099
it's kind of impossible
to laugh at it anymore.
2410
01:41:45,133 --> 01:41:48,102
What he was doing
was totally outrageous,
2411
01:41:48,136 --> 01:41:49,655
but there's just this wonderful
2412
01:41:49,689 --> 01:41:52,934
naiïve earnest quality
to that movie,
2413
01:41:52,968 --> 01:41:55,454
where he's saying
accept me for who I am.
2414
01:41:55,488 --> 01:41:57,835
And there's no film technique
2415
01:41:57,870 --> 01:42:02,150
to get in between the audience
and his plea.
2416
01:42:02,185 --> 01:42:05,498
So you just feel something
very passionate and very pure,
2417
01:42:05,533 --> 01:42:09,330
and in its way kind of hilarious
watching "Glen or Glenda."
2418
01:42:09,364 --> 01:42:11,125
It's the one Ed Wood movie
2419
01:42:11,159 --> 01:42:13,644
that I find I can
go back to over and over again.
2420
01:42:18,304 --> 01:42:20,444
I guess like "Rocky Horror,"
we were, you know,
2421
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:23,482
"Rocky Horror's"
blonde headed stepchild.
2422
01:42:23,516 --> 01:42:25,622
I am thrilled
2423
01:42:25,656 --> 01:42:28,176
you can join me
for the fabulous first night
2424
01:42:28,211 --> 01:42:31,835
of the St. Louis leg
of my world tour.
2425
01:42:31,869 --> 01:42:36,495
A cult film has nothing to do
with how good the film is,
2426
01:42:36,529 --> 01:42:41,362
even how popular it is,
but it's how it became popular
2427
01:42:41,396 --> 01:42:45,676
and how strongly a certain group
of people care about it.
2428
01:42:45,711 --> 01:42:49,370
Well, "Hedwig" is about
an East German gay boy
2429
01:42:49,404 --> 01:42:51,337
who dreams of freedom.
2430
01:42:51,372 --> 01:42:54,892
He's on the communist side
of Berlin in the eighties.
2431
01:42:54,927 --> 01:42:57,067
My name
is Sergeant Luther Robinson.
2432
01:42:57,101 --> 01:43:00,001
My name is Hansel.
2433
01:43:00,035 --> 01:43:02,176
And he meets an American G.I.
2434
01:43:02,210 --> 01:43:04,178
who suggests
a gender reassignment
2435
01:43:04,212 --> 01:43:07,181
so he can get married and
get out of communist Germany.
2436
01:43:07,215 --> 01:43:12,876
You've got to leave
something behind.
2437
01:43:12,910 --> 01:43:14,740
Aah!
2438
01:43:14,774 --> 01:43:18,709
He's kind of grifted
and is left,
2439
01:43:18,744 --> 01:43:21,540
so has to pick herself up,
now a woman,
2440
01:43:21,574 --> 01:43:23,058
not even wanting to be a woman,
2441
01:43:23,093 --> 01:43:24,922
write some songs,
get a band together,
2442
01:43:24,957 --> 01:43:27,684
and try to save herself,
try to define herself,
2443
01:43:27,718 --> 01:43:29,341
try to find out who she is.
2444
01:43:40,386 --> 01:43:42,561
It's a serious story
about a transgender person,
2445
01:43:42,595 --> 01:43:44,908
and I think it appeals to people
who are on the outside.
2446
01:43:44,942 --> 01:43:46,910
Because when
it was originally done,
2447
01:43:46,944 --> 01:43:48,601
nobody was more on the outside.
2448
01:43:48,636 --> 01:43:51,363
And as times have changed
and we're getting to the point
2449
01:43:51,397 --> 01:43:53,882
where people are actually
fighting in the Supreme Court
2450
01:43:53,917 --> 01:43:56,264
to go to the bathroom
they want to go to,
2451
01:43:56,299 --> 01:43:58,956
it's become more relevant.
2452
01:43:58,991 --> 01:44:01,925
From this milkless tit,
2453
01:44:01,959 --> 01:44:08,069
you sucked the very business
we call show.
2454
01:44:08,103 --> 01:44:11,555
You know, "Hedwig"
is pretty low and climbs up.
2455
01:44:11,590 --> 01:44:15,076
So it's about healing,
healing trauma.
2456
01:44:15,110 --> 01:44:16,388
What the fuck
is wrong with you?
2457
01:44:16,422 --> 01:44:18,286
Why couldn't we...
2458
01:44:18,321 --> 01:44:20,288
Why don't you write a new song?
2459
01:44:20,323 --> 01:44:22,739
It's a rock 'n' roll concert
at the heart of it,
2460
01:44:22,773 --> 01:44:25,397
so I think it combines
all of those things.
2461
01:44:25,431 --> 01:44:28,123
It's a much more modern
cult movie.
2462
01:44:28,158 --> 01:44:31,610
I really love when Hedwig
sings "Wicked Little Town"
2463
01:44:31,644 --> 01:44:35,096
in a kind of Dunkin' Donuts
to, you know,
2464
01:44:35,130 --> 01:44:39,134
four or five people
who she may have tricked with.
2465
01:44:43,656 --> 01:44:45,106
And then you realize
2466
01:44:45,140 --> 01:44:47,660
that her lover Tommy
is hiding behind some plant.
2467
01:44:47,695 --> 01:44:49,110
There's no dialogue
in that scene.
2468
01:44:49,144 --> 01:44:51,319
I like how simple it is.
2469
01:44:51,354 --> 01:44:54,667
Yeah, you know,
Stephen Trask, composer, and I
2470
01:44:54,702 --> 01:44:58,775
wanted to capture the energy
of a real rock 'n' roll show.
2471
01:45:04,884 --> 01:45:09,130
So we did things in the film
that made sense to us.
2472
01:45:09,164 --> 01:45:11,201
So recording live was important.
2473
01:45:11,235 --> 01:45:14,308
As an actor,
I kind of burned out.
2474
01:45:14,342 --> 01:45:18,967
It was so hard that
I quit acting for 15 years.
2475
01:45:19,002 --> 01:45:24,145
I just used everything I knew
as an actor, as a singer,
2476
01:45:24,179 --> 01:45:26,699
as a performer, as a writer,
as a director.
2477
01:45:26,734 --> 01:45:28,356
Our last day of shooting
was 20 hours,
2478
01:45:28,391 --> 01:45:33,810
and we did the scene where
they kiss for the first time.
2479
01:45:33,844 --> 01:45:35,812
Breathe through my mouth.
2480
01:45:35,846 --> 01:45:38,987
And Tommy says,
"breathe through my mouth,"
2481
01:45:39,022 --> 01:45:42,646
which is something a lover
said to me in the eighties.
2482
01:45:42,681 --> 01:45:44,027
But it was very romantic,
2483
01:45:44,061 --> 01:45:46,167
and the walls
of the trailer part
2484
01:45:46,201 --> 01:45:47,720
open up like a diorama.
2485
01:45:47,755 --> 01:45:52,484
But things go wrong when
he discovers the front of her,
2486
01:45:52,518 --> 01:45:55,694
which is her trauma,
which is her complexity,
2487
01:45:55,728 --> 01:45:59,353
you know, the complexity
of her life and gender and past.
2488
01:45:59,387 --> 01:46:01,182
It was too much for him.
2489
01:46:01,216 --> 01:46:05,220
Because he's running ultimately
from the complexity of himself
2490
01:46:05,255 --> 01:46:07,844
as a person who could love
someone that unique.
2491
01:46:07,878 --> 01:46:10,743
And I really do love that scene.
2492
01:46:10,778 --> 01:46:12,193
New Line knew...
2493
01:46:12,227 --> 01:46:14,264
their term was
it's going to have shelflife,
2494
01:46:14,298 --> 01:46:18,199
so they knew to invest
in a very expensive DVD
2495
01:46:18,233 --> 01:46:19,925
that had a ton of features.
2496
01:46:19,959 --> 01:46:23,515
We made a huge 90 minute
"making of" thing.
2497
01:46:23,549 --> 01:46:25,206
There was a ton of stuff.
2498
01:46:25,240 --> 01:46:26,587
And they were right.
2499
01:46:26,621 --> 01:46:28,865
They make their money back
and a profit.
2500
01:46:28,899 --> 01:46:31,074
We never saw a cent.
2501
01:46:31,108 --> 01:46:32,524
And people found it.
2502
01:46:32,558 --> 01:46:35,423
It also came out
a few weeks before 9/11,
2503
01:46:35,458 --> 01:46:38,081
and many people later said
2504
01:46:38,115 --> 01:46:41,705
that they saw "Hedwig"
on September 12th.
2505
01:46:41,740 --> 01:46:45,399
All the cinemas let everyone in
for free that day,
2506
01:46:45,433 --> 01:46:48,885
and many, many people saw
"Hedwig" that day in New York,
2507
01:46:48,919 --> 01:46:50,714
and they said
it made them feel better.
2508
01:46:50,749 --> 01:46:55,236
And so it was connected to
something that was traumatic.
2509
01:46:55,270 --> 01:46:58,550
It stayed alive because of
DVD and midnight screenings
2510
01:46:58,584 --> 01:46:59,930
and the soundtrack.
2511
01:46:59,965 --> 01:47:02,450
The original movie
will continue on, I suspect,
2512
01:47:02,485 --> 01:47:05,626
but "Hedwig" is very much
on the money right now
2513
01:47:05,660 --> 01:47:07,731
because it's a huge issue.
2514
01:47:07,766 --> 01:47:09,802
My favorite cult films
kind of shoot for the moon,
2515
01:47:09,837 --> 01:47:12,943
for popular success,
and then they fail.
2516
01:47:12,978 --> 01:47:17,465
But then a certain group
of people rediscovers it.
2517
01:47:17,500 --> 01:47:21,089
They kind of culture it,
you know, like a garden,
2518
01:47:21,124 --> 01:47:24,610
and it has a long life.
2519
01:47:24,645 --> 01:47:26,923
It was always the truism,
you know,
2520
01:47:26,957 --> 01:47:28,959
I'd rather be 10 people's
favorite thing
2521
01:47:28,994 --> 01:47:30,961
than a million people's
so-so thing.
2522
01:47:30,996 --> 01:47:33,101
And I truly believe that.
2523
01:47:33,136 --> 01:47:35,587
And if that's cult,
then I'm cult, you know.
2524
01:47:35,621 --> 01:47:37,140
I'm happy with that.
2525
01:47:37,174 --> 01:47:39,798
"Female Trouble" came out.
Was not a success.
2526
01:47:39,832 --> 01:47:43,353
It didn't open at midnight.
It opened at a regular run.
2527
01:47:43,387 --> 01:47:45,113
And it didn't get great reviews.
2528
01:47:45,148 --> 01:47:46,943
People were disappointed
2529
01:47:46,977 --> 01:47:50,153
that it wasn't more hideous than
"Pink Flamingos" or something.
2530
01:47:50,187 --> 01:47:52,155
But today, of my Divine movies,
2531
01:47:52,189 --> 01:47:54,157
I think it is by far
the most popular one.
2532
01:47:54,191 --> 01:47:57,125
The people that yell the lines
to me when I'm, you know...
2533
01:47:57,160 --> 01:47:59,507
all the people when they yell
my own lines to me
2534
01:47:59,542 --> 01:48:01,129
when I'm walking down the street
in New York,
2535
01:48:01,164 --> 01:48:02,959
and a girl says,
I'm glad I got an abortion!
2536
01:48:02,993 --> 01:48:05,617
And I'm like, why did she
just say that to me?
2537
01:48:05,651 --> 01:48:08,136
Oh, I wrote that.
Hi. Thank you. Thank you.
2538
01:48:08,171 --> 01:48:09,517
"Female Trouble,"
2539
01:48:09,552 --> 01:48:12,347
which is his next film
after "Pink Flamingos,"
2540
01:48:12,382 --> 01:48:16,973
in many ways much slicker,
but just as sick and crazy.
2541
01:48:17,007 --> 01:48:19,631
I think "Female Trouble"
is a true pinnacle
2542
01:48:19,665 --> 01:48:21,356
because there are
all these great lines
2543
01:48:21,391 --> 01:48:22,979
like, who wants to die for art?
2544
01:48:23,013 --> 01:48:24,808
Who wants to be famous?
2545
01:48:24,843 --> 01:48:27,224
Who wants to die for art?
2546
01:48:27,259 --> 01:48:28,329
I do!
2547
01:48:31,194 --> 01:48:33,852
It stars Divine
as Dawn Davenport,
2548
01:48:33,886 --> 01:48:35,992
and she begins as a child
2549
01:48:36,026 --> 01:48:38,995
in which she doesn't get
her cha-cha heels for Christmas.
2550
01:48:39,029 --> 01:48:40,375
What are these?
2551
01:48:40,410 --> 01:48:44,000
Those are your new shoes, Dawn.
2552
01:48:44,034 --> 01:48:45,380
Those aren't the right kind.
2553
01:48:45,415 --> 01:48:47,659
I told you cha-cha heels,
black ones.
2554
01:48:47,693 --> 01:48:51,697
Dawn grows up, has a family,
2555
01:48:51,732 --> 01:48:56,184
becomes kind of
a sick individual,
2556
01:48:56,219 --> 01:48:58,842
having her face
disfigured by acid.
2557
01:48:58,877 --> 01:49:01,880
I got something for your face,
motherfucker!
2558
01:49:01,914 --> 01:49:03,571
Aah! Aah!
2559
01:49:03,606 --> 01:49:06,540
Divine becomes
like crazier and uglier
2560
01:49:06,574 --> 01:49:08,542
and she's more beautiful.
2561
01:49:08,576 --> 01:49:09,543
Pretty-pretty?
2562
01:49:09,577 --> 01:49:11,579
Yes.
2563
01:49:11,614 --> 01:49:14,375
And ends up
being electrocuted.
2564
01:49:14,409 --> 01:49:17,758
And she saw her death
and the execution
2565
01:49:17,792 --> 01:49:21,727
as like being a positive
experience for her.
2566
01:49:21,762 --> 01:49:24,040
My big moment
in the electric chair.
2567
01:49:24,074 --> 01:49:27,595
Oh, you still think
you're in a show, baby.
2568
01:49:27,630 --> 01:49:29,390
And she gives a little speech about...
2569
01:49:29,424 --> 01:49:31,599
almost like
an acceptance speech.
2570
01:49:31,634 --> 01:49:35,051
I love
every fucking one of you!
2571
01:49:35,085 --> 01:49:38,572
Aah!
2572
01:49:38,606 --> 01:49:40,228
I think "Female Trouble"
2573
01:49:40,263 --> 01:49:42,058
is one of the great cult films
of all time
2574
01:49:42,092 --> 01:49:43,577
because I think John Waters
2575
01:49:43,611 --> 01:49:46,269
polished his act a little bit
with the film.
2576
01:49:46,303 --> 01:49:49,893
It's a lot more professional,
better sets.
2577
01:49:49,928 --> 01:49:51,619
Not better acting.
2578
01:49:51,654 --> 01:49:54,726
I'm going to live with
the Hare Krishna people.
2579
01:49:54,760 --> 01:49:56,728
What did you say?
2580
01:49:56,762 --> 01:49:59,109
The Krishnas are love, mother.
2581
01:49:59,144 --> 01:50:02,250
Oh, God, I would have
killed you at birth
2582
01:50:02,285 --> 01:50:05,115
had I thought you would
even entertain such an idea.
2583
01:50:05,150 --> 01:50:07,911
More interesting
and diverse characters.
2584
01:50:07,946 --> 01:50:09,326
The audiences ate it up.
2585
01:50:09,361 --> 01:50:12,157
I remember that kind of
followed "Pink Flamingos."
2586
01:50:12,191 --> 01:50:15,125
That run ended and then
"Female Trouble" started.
2587
01:50:15,160 --> 01:50:16,610
Some were disappointed
2588
01:50:16,644 --> 01:50:19,095
that it's not as shocking
as "Pink Flamingos,"
2589
01:50:19,129 --> 01:50:21,649
but in many ways it's stranger.
2590
01:50:21,684 --> 01:50:23,962
Just as enjoyable, though.
2591
01:50:29,312 --> 01:50:36,008
Sexually repressed couple
murders swingers and eats them.
2592
01:50:36,043 --> 01:50:37,941
That'll make them go see it.
2593
01:50:37,976 --> 01:50:40,012
I mean, I had
to describe that movie a lot
2594
01:50:40,047 --> 01:50:41,013
to get people in the theater.
2595
01:50:41,048 --> 01:50:43,326
It was not a hit right away.
2596
01:50:45,328 --> 01:50:47,295
Paul Bartel
had a really hard time
2597
01:50:47,330 --> 01:50:48,987
getting financing
for this movie.
2598
01:50:49,021 --> 01:50:50,367
And I always thought
2599
01:50:50,402 --> 01:50:51,783
that the people
that he kills off in the movie
2600
01:50:51,817 --> 01:50:53,957
represented the people
who had turned him down.
2601
01:50:53,992 --> 01:50:56,132
- Aah!
- Bam!
2602
01:50:56,166 --> 01:50:57,478
Scalpel.
Scalpel.
2603
01:50:57,512 --> 01:50:58,652
Suture.
Suture.
2604
01:50:58,686 --> 01:50:59,963
Frying pan.
2605
01:50:59,998 --> 01:51:01,551
"Eating Raoul"
is one of my favorite movies
2606
01:51:01,585 --> 01:51:02,966
that I ever made.
2607
01:51:03,001 --> 01:51:05,003
The funny thing is
is that he is a real doctor.
2608
01:51:05,037 --> 01:51:07,143
I recognize him
from the hospital.
2609
01:51:07,177 --> 01:51:09,835
The reason why is because
it's so incredibly different.
2610
01:51:09,870 --> 01:51:11,147
And I had a big part in it
2611
01:51:11,181 --> 01:51:13,563
because they let me do
whatever I wanted.
2612
01:51:13,597 --> 01:51:17,671
This world is overflowing
with millions of sexual freaks.
2613
01:51:17,705 --> 01:51:20,708
We're so lucky
we found each other.
2614
01:51:20,743 --> 01:51:23,815
The appeal of somebody
like Mary Woronov,
2615
01:51:23,849 --> 01:51:27,508
who is a cult actress,
is discovery,
2616
01:51:27,542 --> 01:51:29,993
where you just say, hey,
you know, I like that person.
2617
01:51:30,028 --> 01:51:32,202
Where have I seen her before?
2618
01:51:32,237 --> 01:51:34,584
"Eating Raoul," she's the lead.
2619
01:51:34,618 --> 01:51:35,585
Mary's a sweetheart.
2620
01:51:35,619 --> 01:51:37,173
She was one of the cult queens
2621
01:51:37,207 --> 01:51:40,003
of the 1970s and eighties
2622
01:51:40,038 --> 01:51:43,006
thanks to, you know,
her work with Paul Bartel.
2623
01:51:43,041 --> 01:51:44,352
Did you ever do any acting?
2624
01:51:44,387 --> 01:51:46,009
I did some in high school.
2625
01:51:46,044 --> 01:51:47,528
Well, that's all it is
is acting.
2626
01:51:47,562 --> 01:51:51,014
Lick my sneakers,
you little worm.
2627
01:51:51,049 --> 01:51:53,016
See what I mean?
It's easy.
2628
01:51:53,051 --> 01:51:56,364
Lick my sneaker,
you little worm.
2629
01:51:56,399 --> 01:51:57,883
See? You're a natural.
2630
01:51:57,918 --> 01:51:59,540
It's a cannibal movie,
2631
01:51:59,574 --> 01:52:02,543
people eating people,
murdering people.
2632
01:52:02,577 --> 01:52:05,857
Mary Woronov dressing up
like a dominatrix,
2633
01:52:05,891 --> 01:52:08,618
and there's something
very polite about this movie.
2634
01:52:08,652 --> 01:52:10,378
Hey, mister, get off her.
Are you crazy?
2635
01:52:10,413 --> 01:52:11,759
I told you, man, I can't wait.
2636
01:52:11,794 --> 01:52:15,556
Which is contradictory
to the subject matter,
2637
01:52:15,590 --> 01:52:17,627
and I think
that's part of the appeal.
2638
01:52:17,661 --> 01:52:21,251
There's always this little air
of sophistication element
2639
01:52:21,286 --> 01:52:24,565
to a real B horror movie topic.
2640
01:52:24,599 --> 01:52:27,223
We have to come up
with $25,000 by Friday
2641
01:52:27,257 --> 01:52:29,225
or another couple
is going to take the place
2642
01:52:29,259 --> 01:52:31,779
and turn it into a clinic
for rich fat people.
2643
01:52:31,814 --> 01:52:34,264
He would call me up
and he would say, oh, Mary,
2644
01:52:34,299 --> 01:52:36,922
I think we have the money
to get it together again.
2645
01:52:36,957 --> 01:52:38,579
Do you think...
Yeah, sure, Paul.
2646
01:52:38,613 --> 01:52:39,787
What are we doing?
2647
01:52:39,822 --> 01:52:41,893
Oh, do you remember...
No, I don't.
2648
01:52:41,927 --> 01:52:44,067
Well, it doesn't matter really.
2649
01:52:44,102 --> 01:52:46,311
You'll just come down
and we'll tell you what to do.
2650
01:52:46,345 --> 01:52:47,415
Okay, fine.
2651
01:52:47,450 --> 01:52:48,589
Don't be afraid.
2652
01:52:48,623 --> 01:52:50,073
Fear is a mind trap, baby.
2653
01:52:50,108 --> 01:52:52,455
What we fear is the past
becoming the future.
2654
01:52:52,489 --> 01:52:54,491
What we really have is now.
2655
01:52:54,526 --> 01:52:56,804
I mean, the whole crew
had parts in that movie
2656
01:52:56,839 --> 01:52:59,117
because we didn't have the time
to hire an actor.
2657
01:52:59,151 --> 01:53:00,670
We never decorated the set.
2658
01:53:00,704 --> 01:53:04,156
That apartment we were in,
a nut job lived there.
2659
01:53:04,191 --> 01:53:06,124
I mean, he was in love
2660
01:53:06,158 --> 01:53:09,127
with this certain fifties thing
or something.
2661
01:53:09,161 --> 01:53:11,267
Mary, why don't we sell
your mother's collection
2662
01:53:11,301 --> 01:53:12,302
of fabulous fifties furniture?
2663
01:53:12,337 --> 01:53:14,166
Oh, no, Paul.
2664
01:53:14,201 --> 01:53:15,823
You know mama only loaned it
to us until she dies.
2665
01:53:15,858 --> 01:53:18,101
Then he didn't have any money
to buy film.
2666
01:53:18,136 --> 01:53:21,104
You cannot work
without film in the camera.
2667
01:53:21,139 --> 01:53:24,487
You have been earning money
from an evil undertaking,
2668
01:53:24,521 --> 01:53:26,006
and if you keep it up,
2669
01:53:26,040 --> 01:53:29,457
you will burn
for all eternity in hell.
2670
01:53:29,492 --> 01:53:32,150
Hey, sister,
I'm in hell right now.
2671
01:53:32,184 --> 01:53:34,014
Nobody went to see that movie.
2672
01:53:34,048 --> 01:53:35,843
I mean, nobody.
2673
01:53:35,878 --> 01:53:39,295
I remember Paul, you know,
was dragging me to the movie
2674
01:53:39,329 --> 01:53:41,124
because he didn't
want to be alone.
2675
01:53:41,159 --> 01:53:42,816
Raoul, that's wonderful.
2676
01:53:42,850 --> 01:53:45,853
And then he would run around
buying cookies
2677
01:53:45,888 --> 01:53:48,683
and then go down the line
giving people little cookies
2678
01:53:48,718 --> 01:53:52,170
so they would stay in line
and go to the movie.
2679
01:53:52,204 --> 01:53:54,137
I don't know. It was awful.
2680
01:53:54,172 --> 01:53:57,037
Paul, this isn't how
we're supposed to be acting.
2681
01:53:57,071 --> 01:54:00,661
This somehow got word-of-mouth
and got put as a midnight movie.
2682
01:54:00,695 --> 01:54:04,389
It's not like
any other midnight movie
2683
01:54:04,423 --> 01:54:07,150
of the era and ever.
2684
01:54:07,185 --> 01:54:08,531
Very nice of you to ask us,
2685
01:54:08,565 --> 01:54:11,845
but we're actually
into St. Bernards.
2686
01:54:11,879 --> 01:54:15,365
Oh, really? Wow.
2687
01:54:15,400 --> 01:54:17,160
Certainly "Eating Raoul"
was on its own
2688
01:54:17,195 --> 01:54:18,506
because it wasn't really
a horror movie.
2689
01:54:18,541 --> 01:54:20,370
I mean, we did eat someone.
So what, you know.
2690
01:54:20,405 --> 01:54:21,889
There were jokes in it.
2691
01:54:21,924 --> 01:54:24,236
I hope you make this
a permanent item on your menu.
2692
01:54:24,271 --> 01:54:26,204
It's French.
2693
01:54:26,238 --> 01:54:29,172
No, actually
it's more Spanish.
2694
01:54:29,207 --> 01:54:31,381
Mmm, so tender.
2695
01:54:31,416 --> 01:54:36,593
It's funny, it's well-written,
and we like these characters,
2696
01:54:36,628 --> 01:54:41,184
who are not the typical
lead characters in movies.
2697
01:54:41,219 --> 01:54:43,773
And nobody ever, ever thought
2698
01:54:43,807 --> 01:54:46,224
of throwing a radiator
into a hot pool
2699
01:54:46,258 --> 01:54:47,915
and killing like 25 people.
2700
01:54:47,950 --> 01:54:50,745
That's ridiculous.
We did it.
2701
01:54:50,780 --> 01:54:52,402
Well, swing on this.
2702
01:55:01,756 --> 01:55:03,034
So you might be wondering
2703
01:55:03,068 --> 01:55:05,899
what's become
of the cult movie today.
2704
01:55:05,933 --> 01:55:07,935
We've talked about
the way it used to be,
2705
01:55:07,970 --> 01:55:10,731
and now are going to talk about
the way it is now.
2706
01:55:10,765 --> 01:55:13,044
The fact is that
there are still cult movies
2707
01:55:13,078 --> 01:55:14,597
and there are still
midnight shows,
2708
01:55:14,631 --> 01:55:17,289
although not as many
as there used to be.
2709
01:55:17,324 --> 01:55:19,774
But in keeping
the tradition alive,
2710
01:55:19,809 --> 01:55:22,087
there is still a bunch of movies
that have come out
2711
01:55:22,122 --> 01:55:23,917
that have their followings.
2712
01:55:23,951 --> 01:55:26,954
And there are even some,
like "The Room,"
2713
01:55:26,989 --> 01:55:30,475
that are packing
the theaters at night
2714
01:55:30,509 --> 01:55:34,617
with people who come
and talk back to the screen
2715
01:55:34,651 --> 01:55:37,792
and throw things at the screen
2716
01:55:37,827 --> 01:55:39,967
and know the movie by heart.
2717
01:55:40,002 --> 01:55:41,935
There was laughter
from beginning to end
2718
01:55:41,969 --> 01:55:45,317
at the level of absurdity.
2719
01:55:45,352 --> 01:55:47,595
Did you watch the whole thing?
Did you make it to the end?
2720
01:55:47,630 --> 01:55:49,770
You have to.
Yeah, you have to.
2721
01:55:49,804 --> 01:55:52,428
Because there's no payoff.
2722
01:55:52,462 --> 01:55:57,088
It is extraordinarily bad,
2723
01:55:57,122 --> 01:56:02,990
and you know that he didn't
realize it as he was doing it,
2724
01:56:03,025 --> 01:56:05,441
and that's part of the joy
of enjoying it.
2725
01:56:05,475 --> 01:56:08,099
And it's fantastic
that he's now coming out
2726
01:56:08,133 --> 01:56:09,790
to all these sold-out theaters.
2727
01:56:09,824 --> 01:56:13,656
He's making appearances,
saying, we knew it was...
2728
01:56:13,690 --> 01:56:15,175
Oh, you're so full of shit.
2729
01:56:20,007 --> 01:56:23,493
Holy shit, this is the
best/worst movie I've ever seen.
2730
01:56:23,528 --> 01:56:24,494
Like it's like watching
a snuff film to me,
2731
01:56:24,529 --> 01:56:26,013
you know what I mean?
2732
01:56:26,048 --> 01:56:28,015
It's just like the movie
going terribly wrong.
2733
01:56:28,050 --> 01:56:31,985
It's so bad, it's wonderful.
2734
01:56:32,019 --> 01:56:34,125
- Hi, Doggie.
- You're my favorite customer.
2735
01:56:34,159 --> 01:56:36,023
- Thanks a lot. Bye.
- Bye-bye.
2736
01:56:36,058 --> 01:56:38,543
First, let me thank you
for correcting
2737
01:56:38,577 --> 01:56:42,719
my decades long
mispronunciation of his name.
2738
01:56:42,754 --> 01:56:45,826
I always thought it was Wise-oh,
but it's Wiz-ow?
2739
01:56:45,860 --> 01:56:47,310
All right. Interesting.
2740
01:56:47,345 --> 01:56:49,657
I met Tommy Wiseau
so in acting class.
2741
01:56:49,692 --> 01:56:51,832
He was writing,
producing, directing,
2742
01:56:51,866 --> 01:56:53,178
starring in "The Room,"
2743
01:56:53,213 --> 01:56:55,525
and he came to me
and I read the script
2744
01:56:55,560 --> 01:56:58,011
and he wanted me
to play the role of Mark.
2745
01:56:58,045 --> 01:57:01,152
I used to know a girl.
She had a dozen guys.
2746
01:57:01,186 --> 01:57:03,568
One of them found out about it,
beat her up so bad
2747
01:57:03,602 --> 01:57:05,673
she ended up in a hospital
on Guerrero Street.
2748
01:57:05,708 --> 01:57:08,676
What a story, Mark.
2749
01:57:08,711 --> 01:57:10,333
Yeah, you can say that again.
2750
01:57:10,368 --> 01:57:12,404
I don't think I've ever
laughed as hard as I laughed
2751
01:57:12,439 --> 01:57:15,373
from the first 20 minutes
of "The Room."
2752
01:57:15,407 --> 01:57:18,928
It's essentially about
this guy named Johnny,
2753
01:57:18,962 --> 01:57:20,343
who's a creepy guy.
2754
01:57:20,378 --> 01:57:21,896
Hi, babe.
2755
01:57:24,209 --> 01:57:25,866
I have something for you.
2756
01:57:25,900 --> 01:57:28,075
What is it?
2757
01:57:28,110 --> 01:57:30,215
It's just a little something.
2758
01:57:30,250 --> 01:57:31,699
And he has this girlfriend
2759
01:57:31,734 --> 01:57:34,737
who keeps taking her top off
for some reason.
2760
01:57:34,771 --> 01:57:37,188
All I have to do
is put on my party dress.
2761
01:57:37,222 --> 01:57:39,362
They're about to get married,
2762
01:57:39,397 --> 01:57:43,056
and she ends up having an affair
with his best friend,
2763
01:57:43,090 --> 01:57:45,610
and it's sort of like
how Tommy reacts to it.
2764
01:57:45,644 --> 01:57:47,715
How could you do this to me?
2765
01:57:47,750 --> 01:57:51,581
I gave you seven years
of my life.
2766
01:57:51,616 --> 01:57:53,100
And the movie's filled
2767
01:57:53,135 --> 01:57:57,794
with all sorts of ridiculous
dialogue, non sequiturs,
2768
01:57:57,829 --> 01:58:03,731
continuity mistakes,
horrible boring stock footage.
2769
01:58:03,766 --> 01:58:05,216
It's just an awful movie.
2770
01:58:05,250 --> 01:58:06,907
- Come on.
- No.
2771
01:58:06,941 --> 01:58:09,289
- Cheep, cheep, cheep, cheep.
- Cheep, cheep, cheep, cheep.
2772
01:58:09,323 --> 01:58:11,222
I didn't know
what the story was.
2773
01:58:11,256 --> 01:58:14,915
Where you really want
to get invested,
2774
01:58:14,949 --> 01:58:18,229
but then you're like,
what is actually happening?
2775
01:58:18,263 --> 01:58:20,300
"The Room" is a movie
you can't put down.
2776
01:58:20,334 --> 01:58:22,095
You know, some people think
2777
01:58:22,129 --> 01:58:24,235
that they're like watching
a train wreck, so that's why.
2778
01:58:24,269 --> 01:58:28,101
But I think
it's the passion, man.
2779
01:58:28,135 --> 01:58:30,241
I think it's watching
some people
2780
01:58:30,275 --> 01:58:32,829
who know absolutely nothing
about what they're doing
2781
01:58:32,864 --> 01:58:34,417
try to pull it off.
2782
01:58:34,452 --> 01:58:36,109
And in a sense, they succeed.
2783
01:58:36,143 --> 01:58:39,595
But those cats are no different
than me and my friends.
2784
01:58:39,629 --> 01:58:40,768
Yeah, the cult of "The Room"
2785
01:58:40,803 --> 01:58:42,977
started with
two young filmmakers.
2786
01:58:43,012 --> 01:58:44,496
One of them was going to USC
2787
01:58:44,531 --> 01:58:48,500
and they were... you know,
they walked by the theater
2788
01:58:48,535 --> 01:58:51,262
and they saw a sign
that said "No Refunds."
2789
01:58:51,296 --> 01:58:53,436
Like, okay,
let's check this out.
2790
01:58:53,471 --> 01:58:56,025
And so they went in there,
and within like 20 minutes,
2791
01:58:56,059 --> 01:58:57,820
they were calling people
on their phone
2792
01:58:57,854 --> 01:59:00,443
saying this film's incredible.
You've got to come see it.
2793
01:59:00,478 --> 01:59:02,687
You know, I had heard
so much about "The Room,"
2794
01:59:02,721 --> 01:59:04,654
and I didn't want
to watch it on DVD.
2795
01:59:04,689 --> 01:59:07,174
I wanted to experience it live,
2796
01:59:07,209 --> 01:59:09,038
because I heard
that's the way to see it.
2797
01:59:09,072 --> 01:59:12,041
And I'm still thinking about it
weeks later.
2798
01:59:12,075 --> 01:59:14,285
Not necessarily about the movie,
2799
01:59:14,319 --> 01:59:17,288
but about the experience
of seeing it with an audience.
2800
01:59:17,322 --> 01:59:19,186
Fans took ownership
of "The Room,"
2801
01:59:19,221 --> 01:59:20,808
and they've turned it into
this experience
2802
01:59:20,843 --> 01:59:23,328
that we haven't really seen
since "Rocky Horror."
2803
01:59:23,363 --> 01:59:25,675
Early cult films like
"Rocky Horror Picture Show,"
2804
01:59:25,710 --> 01:59:27,470
you had to go to the theater
to see it.
2805
01:59:27,505 --> 01:59:29,300
Later cult films
like "The Room,"
2806
01:59:29,334 --> 01:59:31,302
maybe it becomes about audiences
2807
01:59:31,336 --> 01:59:33,821
needing that sense
of being in a room together.
2808
01:59:33,856 --> 01:59:35,306
Oh, my gosh, now "The Room"
2809
01:59:35,340 --> 01:59:37,308
seems like the most
symbolic name ever.
2810
01:59:37,342 --> 01:59:40,207
These people
are shouting out lines.
2811
01:59:40,242 --> 01:59:42,658
They keep walking by
for some reason
2812
01:59:42,692 --> 01:59:46,662
these framed pictures of spoons,
so people yell, spoons! Spoons!
2813
01:59:46,696 --> 01:59:50,044
And they throw all these
plastic spoons at the screen.
2814
01:59:50,079 --> 01:59:51,391
I was sitting on the second row,
2815
01:59:51,425 --> 01:59:53,703
so I was watching
the whole movie like this.
2816
01:59:53,738 --> 01:59:55,567
I mean, you can't put
the genie back in the bottle.
2817
01:59:55,602 --> 01:59:58,398
It's never going to be the way
it was for us when we were kids
2818
01:59:58,432 --> 02:00:00,572
when there was
a "Rocky Horror Picture Show."
2819
02:00:00,607 --> 02:00:03,541
But "The Room"
got very, very close.
2820
02:00:03,575 --> 02:00:05,094
Like I remember going
to the Laemmle
2821
02:00:05,128 --> 02:00:07,338
and people interacting with it
2822
02:00:07,372 --> 02:00:08,856
and being like, huh.
2823
02:00:08,891 --> 02:00:11,687
These kids are trying
to play "Rocky Horror."
2824
02:00:11,721 --> 02:00:12,860
You know, when I found out
2825
02:00:12,895 --> 02:00:14,379
that "The Room"
had celebrity fans,
2826
02:00:14,414 --> 02:00:16,036
my mind was blown.
2827
02:00:16,070 --> 02:00:18,866
I think Jonah Hill would attend
screenings of "The Room"
2828
02:00:18,901 --> 02:00:21,421
back in like 2005, 2006.
2829
02:00:21,455 --> 02:00:24,527
David Cross would show up
wearing a wig,
2830
02:00:24,562 --> 02:00:26,115
dressed up as Tommy.
2831
02:00:26,149 --> 02:00:29,705
The camp/cult following
2832
02:00:29,739 --> 02:00:34,399
happened for years
before he would acknowledge,
2833
02:00:34,434 --> 02:00:38,092
oh, well, I meant it
to be funny, which is a lie.
2834
02:00:38,127 --> 02:00:40,267
I think Tommy,
first of all, as a writer
2835
02:00:40,302 --> 02:00:42,062
I think he thinks
he's Tennessee Williams.
2836
02:00:42,096 --> 02:00:43,546
His goal with "The Room"
2837
02:00:43,581 --> 02:00:46,411
was to become
the next Marlon Brando.
2838
02:00:46,446 --> 02:00:47,964
I think his "Lisa!"
2839
02:00:47,999 --> 02:00:49,621
I think that's all like
"Streetcar Named Desire."
2840
02:00:49,656 --> 02:00:52,417
Hey, Stella!
2841
02:00:52,452 --> 02:00:55,075
You're tearing me apart, Lisa!
2842
02:00:55,109 --> 02:00:57,802
Well, I appreciate
that he wanted to be
2843
02:00:57,836 --> 02:01:01,288
our generation's Marlon Brando.
2844
02:01:01,323 --> 02:01:05,258
We still had Marlon Brando,
2845
02:01:05,292 --> 02:01:07,432
but maybe he had just seen
"The Island of Dr. Moreau"
2846
02:01:07,467 --> 02:01:09,917
and was like,
I'm going to step in here.
2847
02:01:09,952 --> 02:01:12,782
I was in an acting class
with Tommy.
2848
02:01:12,817 --> 02:01:17,097
If I had to describe
his acting in as few words,
2849
02:01:17,131 --> 02:01:18,926
I would say...
2850
02:01:18,961 --> 02:01:23,172
For the making of this film,
he was using scenes
2851
02:01:23,206 --> 02:01:24,794
that he had written
in our scene study class.
2852
02:01:24,829 --> 02:01:26,279
Confusing.
2853
02:01:26,313 --> 02:01:28,453
You know, scene study classes
work like this.
2854
02:01:28,488 --> 02:01:30,593
You know, you get up there,
you do your scene,
2855
02:01:30,628 --> 02:01:33,286
you get off so the next actors
can get up there
2856
02:01:33,320 --> 02:01:34,425
and do their thing.
Not with Tommy.
2857
02:01:34,459 --> 02:01:36,599
Poor.
Tommy comes in.
2858
02:01:36,634 --> 02:01:38,429
He sets all the lights up.
He's setting it up.
2859
02:01:38,463 --> 02:01:39,775
Off.
2860
02:01:39,809 --> 02:01:42,640
He like basically
kept our class hostage.
2861
02:01:42,674 --> 02:01:44,158
Nobody else
could do their scenes
2862
02:01:44,193 --> 02:01:46,022
because he wouldn't
get off the stage.
2863
02:01:46,057 --> 02:01:48,853
And he finally
got kicked out of our class.
2864
02:01:48,887 --> 02:01:51,338
But that's not all, folks.
2865
02:01:51,373 --> 02:01:52,339
Arthritic.
2866
02:01:52,374 --> 02:01:55,031
Because he got kicked out...
2867
02:01:55,066 --> 02:01:56,999
Mild desperation.
2868
02:01:57,033 --> 02:02:02,004
He bought the building
and kicked us out.
2869
02:02:02,038 --> 02:02:04,800
If he had set the bar here
and said, you know,
2870
02:02:04,834 --> 02:02:08,148
I'm going to be
this generation's
2871
02:02:08,182 --> 02:02:10,633
early Shia LaBeouf.
2872
02:02:10,668 --> 02:02:13,326
And then, you know,
he's closer to that.
2873
02:02:13,360 --> 02:02:15,328
My favorite scene
in "The Room"
2874
02:02:15,362 --> 02:02:17,640
would have to be
the Chris-R scene
2875
02:02:17,675 --> 02:02:19,642
because I feel like
it encapsulates
2876
02:02:19,677 --> 02:02:22,024
everything that's insane
about the movie.
2877
02:02:22,058 --> 02:02:25,372
This drug dealer shows up
for 30 seconds
2878
02:02:25,407 --> 02:02:29,480
and you have this, you know,
ridiculous fight that occurs,
2879
02:02:29,514 --> 02:02:30,653
and then all of the characters
2880
02:02:30,688 --> 02:02:32,828
end up on the roof
for no reason,
2881
02:02:32,862 --> 02:02:35,175
and then they all walk off together.
2882
02:02:35,209 --> 02:02:36,832
Where's my
fucking money, Denny?
2883
02:02:36,866 --> 02:02:39,179
Put the gun down.
Where's my fucking money?
2884
02:02:39,213 --> 02:02:40,560
Where's my fucking money, Denny?
2885
02:02:40,594 --> 02:02:41,837
Get off him.
2886
02:02:41,871 --> 02:02:43,494
Shit!
2887
02:02:43,528 --> 02:02:46,013
Get back, Denny.
Shut up!
2888
02:02:46,048 --> 02:02:48,740
What's going on?
Somebody help!
2889
02:02:48,775 --> 02:02:50,363
Shut up!
Shut up!
2890
02:02:50,397 --> 02:02:52,261
Let's take him to the police.
2891
02:02:52,295 --> 02:02:53,676
You're fucking dead!
2892
02:02:53,711 --> 02:02:54,850
There's too many good scenes,
2893
02:02:54,884 --> 02:02:58,371
and every one
of the iconic scenes,
2894
02:02:58,405 --> 02:03:01,684
you know, are great.
2895
02:03:01,719 --> 02:03:05,205
You know, the I did not hit her,
I did not, I did not.
2896
02:03:05,239 --> 02:03:06,862
Oh, hi, Mark.
I mean, that one.
2897
02:03:06,896 --> 02:03:08,588
I did that hit her.
It's not true.
2898
02:03:08,622 --> 02:03:10,693
It's bullshit.
I did not hit her.
2899
02:03:10,728 --> 02:03:12,108
I did not.
2900
02:03:12,143 --> 02:03:13,938
Oh, hi, Mark.
2901
02:03:13,972 --> 02:03:16,112
Well, as an actor,
I think that line
2902
02:03:16,147 --> 02:03:19,426
is about as juicy
as a line gets.
2903
02:03:19,461 --> 02:03:21,048
Sometimes less is more.
2904
02:03:21,083 --> 02:03:24,604
Sometimes more is more,
and in that case, more is more.
2905
02:03:24,638 --> 02:03:27,538
I remember like watching
"The Room"
2906
02:03:27,572 --> 02:03:31,576
become like, you know,
an underground sensation.
2907
02:03:31,611 --> 02:03:34,614
If you knew, you knew, and if
you're hip, oh, you loved it.
2908
02:03:34,648 --> 02:03:36,409
If you were in a big city,
heavens, man.
2909
02:03:36,443 --> 02:03:39,239
And then I remember
it got so serious
2910
02:03:39,273 --> 02:03:40,965
that they made a movie about it.
2911
02:03:40,999 --> 02:03:43,243
The set of the alleyway looks
exactly like the real alleyway.
2912
02:03:43,277 --> 02:03:44,796
That's right.
2913
02:03:44,831 --> 02:03:46,798
Well, why don't we just shoot
in the real alleyway?
2914
02:03:46,833 --> 02:03:48,938
Because it's
a real Hollywood movie.
2915
02:03:48,973 --> 02:03:50,250
No, yeah, sounds good.
2916
02:03:50,284 --> 02:03:51,320
Okay.
Action.
2917
02:03:51,354 --> 02:03:54,150
I did not hit her.
I did not.
2918
02:03:54,185 --> 02:03:55,566
Oh, hi, Mark.
2919
02:03:55,600 --> 02:03:58,465
James Franco,
he actually read the book first
2920
02:03:58,500 --> 02:04:04,471
and thought it was just a very,
very insane Hollywood story.
2921
02:04:04,506 --> 02:04:07,336
He's the perfect guy
to have adapted it.
2922
02:04:07,370 --> 02:04:11,754
I think "The Room" is one of the
greatest cult films of all time
2923
02:04:11,789 --> 02:04:15,448
because it's done something
that no other film has ever done
2924
02:04:15,482 --> 02:04:19,590
in the sense that it's played
now in theaters for 15 years.
2925
02:04:19,624 --> 02:04:23,766
It never had any really
any chance of making it.
2926
02:04:23,801 --> 02:04:26,113
It never had any help.
It never had any stars.
2927
02:04:26,148 --> 02:04:29,323
And it's continued to screen
around the world
2928
02:04:29,358 --> 02:04:31,843
just by the voice of the people.
2929
02:04:31,878 --> 02:04:34,294
I didn't see a bad movie.
I saw passion.
2930
02:04:34,328 --> 02:04:36,676
You know, I saw "Clerks"
when I saw that movie.
2931
02:04:36,710 --> 02:04:37,677
Those guys are all
busting their ass,
2932
02:04:37,711 --> 02:04:39,195
and I guarantee you
2933
02:04:39,230 --> 02:04:41,612
they all thought it was
going to be their big break,
2934
02:04:41,646 --> 02:04:43,786
because that's how you feel.
2935
02:04:43,821 --> 02:04:47,134
And I guess for some of them,
you know, they're right.
2936
02:04:47,169 --> 02:04:48,791
It was.
2937
02:04:48,826 --> 02:04:51,967
People usually ask me,
do you regret doing "The Room?"
2938
02:04:52,001 --> 02:04:54,832
And I always think, how could I?
2939
02:04:54,866 --> 02:04:59,802
You know, you could be
in 10 films that are good
2940
02:04:59,837 --> 02:05:02,633
that would have never,
you know, responded with people
2941
02:05:02,667 --> 02:05:03,806
the way this one does.
2942
02:05:03,841 --> 02:05:05,325
So at the end of the day,
2943
02:05:05,359 --> 02:05:07,016
it's about being in a film
that people love.
2944
02:05:07,051 --> 02:05:09,536
They had a bit
of a longer climb,
2945
02:05:09,571 --> 02:05:13,506
but wound up getting
2946
02:05:13,540 --> 02:05:16,370
a movie that lives in infamy.
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