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The emotions that it brings when I look back,

I did think that I was going to die.

But fear didn't overtake me.

But I didn't know who he was at the time.

I didn't even know he was a serial killer.

I believe I survived because God needed to use someone

to just bring justice for their loved ones.

♪ Like a whisper in a hollow ♪

♪ Tears fall down while they pray for tomorrow ♪

♪ Nobody knows Nobody sees ♪

♪ Search back the roads and cold city streets ♪

♪ There's evil in the dark ♪

♪ Blood on their hands And the devil in their heart ♪

We start this half hour with a story

that is gripping families

in the state of Louisiana this morning.

It has happened again.

The body of a woman has been found in Whiskey Bay.

There was a body, and then another body,

and another body, and it was all women.

Oh my God, we have a serial killer.

Police are searching for a killer

preying on women here.

I couldn't even imagine

what type of person would do this.

More addition to the list

of confirmed serial killer victims here.

16 postmortem stabs.

Just on, and on, and on, and on.

The murdered actually cut off limbs of these victims.

A ritualistic-type killing.

Remain calm, I know there is a lot of fear in this city

and I feel it.

Every time you turn on the news, another girl has disappeared.

That put the body count of connected murders at five.

This is serial killer number two at work.

I think that the fear in Baton Rouge

was starting to get at a tipping point.

I think we all go back in time,

you think of Jack the Ripper,

you think of Ted Bundy,

you think of the Zodiac Killer.

But they are so far removed from us that,

all of a sudden, here in Baton Rouge...

It's like, we had this here.

Another murder has now been linked to a serial killer.

Sheriff's detective said they found

a nude body of a 43-year-old woman.

It was incredible to even contemplate,

but could there be a third serial killer?

This area has always been home to me.

It's just a big, university town.

Big political town, it's the capital.

It's a fun place, it's got really nice people,

and I enjoy living here, so it's home.

It doesn't look like a place where murders happen, does it?

When I was here, you walked in numbers.

You didn't jog alone, you carried pepper spray...

I had a pepper spray on my keychain for years!

I mean, everyone runs the lake. It's always full of people.

I mean, it is just the perfect hunting ground

for a serial killer.

In the late 1990's and early 2000's,

several women from all different parts of life

were being killed in Baton Rouge.

I think that the tension escalated

when there were women

that were taken from their homes and killed.

Neighbors didn't know what happened other than

son was wandering around in the front yard

looking for his mom.

Randi Mebruer's son was about three or four years old.

He had walked next door to the neighbor's

and asked if he could come over to play.

She said, "Well, let's go ask your momma."

He said, "My momma's not there."

They checked on her and she was just gone.

There was just no sign of her in the house.

As I arrived on the scene,

I saw pink garbage bags on the ground in front of the door

As I walked into the residence, we say dry marks on the carpet

where there appeared to be a body dragged across the Carpe

from the bedroom area.

We also noticed on the child's door...

Blood droplets on his door.

It appears that the attacker had looked in on the child

while he was asleep.

We found her contact lens in the blood,

on the carpet in the living room area.

The attack was very violent.

Blunt force trauma was committed to her body,

and it knocked her contact lens out.

Ms. Mebruer's keys were missing from the house,

but her car was there,

which gives you some pause as to why that happened.

Many times something's missing from a home,

it certainly draws attention to that.

Randi Mebruer and Connie Warner

lived a block away from each other.

If you looked out Connie Warner's front door

and looked over the roof of the house in front of that,

you could see Randi Mebruer's house.

We were called there because Connie was missing

and there appeared to be a struggle.

We noticed different things turned over in the living room.

We saw where there was struggle in the bedroom area.

Different things were thrown around

inside the bedroom.

As we did process the crime scene and the car,

we noticed that the car keys were missing from her vehicle.

We found, body fluids, blood, in the backseat of the car,

but also evidence on top of the trunk of the car.

We thought maybe the attacker took her car

to remove her body from the area,

brought the car back and left it at the house.

The biggest problem that happened to this investigation

was that we had a hurricane come through, Hurricane Andrew.

In his rampages across Louisiana,

Andrew has left at least 20 people dead.

So the case was kinda halted.

When she was found weeks later by the state capital area,

her body was decomposed

to the point where we could not find any evidence.

You know, being a smaller agency,

we did not have that many homicides in Zachary.

Our case went cold,

but I felt like the cases were connected.

There's no doubt in my mind at the time

that the same attacker

had abducted Connie Warner away from her house,

used her vehicle, uh...

Same attacker abducted Randi Mebruer from her house

and used her vehicle to transfer her body also.

We talked to many witnesses involved,

including Randi Mebruer's family.

Randi had an ex-husband she was divorced from.

We interviewed him, and... You know, he was a suspect.

But what bothered us was

why would he leave his child there?

You can see blood droplets on the child's door.

It just didn't feel like he was the...

The prime suspect in the case.

According to me.

Unfortunately, Randi's body was never found,

and she was never heard from again.

Not in our wildest dreams did we think

we might be faced with a serial killer at this point

who would continue to kill until we stopped him.

We would caution the public

not to let anyone into your house

unless you know who they are.

I'm thinking, "Is this somebody they knew?

Is this somebody in the neighborhood?"

Her murder was just incredibly brutal.

I'ma be honest, nobody wants to think

that you may have a serial investigation taking place

until it's proven.

Because never know. Am I gonna be next?

They found DNA that ties to one individual.

Lightbulb goes off in your head.

It was like coming out of a dream, just waking up,

and seeing that there were a series of very vicious deaths.

We've changed the whole complexion of our case.

We now know we have a serial killer.

August the 23, 1992,

Connie Warner was abducted from her house.

Her body was found in Baton Rouge,

during Hurricane Andrew.

In '98, we had another murder

right around the corner from Connie Warner's house,

the victim was Randi Mebruer.

In '97, we began receiving complaints

in the area of Oak Shadows,

which is where Connie Warner and Randi Mebruer lived,

about a peeping tom.

The individual was later identified as Derrick Todd Lee.

Derrick Todd Lee was known around Zachary

and maybe the St. Francisville area.

He had been a Peeping Tom.

He had been arrested for that.

And I think he'd been suspected of several other crimes.

He was definitely on law enforcement radar.

Derrick Todd Lee, in his childhood,

he had some violent tendencies and did some...

Committed some crimes back the, including burglary.

Based off what I've seen in '92 with Connie Warner,

a peeping tom in '97,

and then again, Randi Mebruer's case in '98,

Derrick Todd Lee was definitely a suspect.

We didn't have a search warrant,

but he allowed us in the house to look around.

I'll never forget that night. I was in the bedroom.

One side of the closet was very neat, folded clothes

the other side of the closet was disarrayed.

While I was searching his closet,

the hair on the back of my neck stood up.

I turned around, he was right there, on top of me,

I had to kind of push him back, get him off of me.

He became agitated and asked us to leave the house.

Obviously, I was close to something in that closet

that he didn't want me to see.

They just didn't have any witnesses,

they didn't have any leads.

But at that point in time, DNA was just in its infancy.

So there wasn't a lot of testing going on in Baton Rouge,

and there was not the CODIS database.

And that was really before DNA was...

Was a tool that was used

in law enforcement in Baton Rouge.

No physical evidence at the scene.

Not really understanding DNA back then, in 1998,

we just really couldn't come up

with a whole lot of evidence at the time.

At this point, this case can't be solved.

It becomes what is known as a cold case.

January of '99,

we receive a call that a body had been discovered

in a remote area of Baton Rouge.

I go to the scene,

and there's the nude body of a black female

under a dead end sign.

On the first look, it was apparent

that the body had been posed in a manner to draw attention.

There was just something about the position of her body,

particularly when she was naked.

And you see the human body, the human outline,

so much better than if she'd been fully dressed,

but it was if she was floating, as if she was a ballerina,

the way her arms were placed,

the way that the legs were placed.

The most striking thing was the cuttings

on and about her body.

It was almost as if

someone had tried to perform their own autopsy on her.

She was significantly cut, like a deep cut,

from almost her hip, down her leg,

almost to her ankle,

where you could actually see the bone in her leg.

16 postmortem stabs. That-That's a lot.

That's, like, somebody overkilled.

Just on, and on, and on, and on.

Obviously, you had a sick individual

that had committed this homicide.

The fingerprints taken from the victim,

they were matched to Katherine Hall.

Katherine Hall had a criminal record.

She was, in fact, a person who had addictions,

who had prostitution arrests.

So, you have, basically, a woman who is vulnerable

who is chosen because of that vulnerability.

The person targeting very clearly is, to me,

like an animal stalking prey.

Animals pick the weakest of the lot

to go after and kill.

In the mind of the killer,

these are people of lesser values,

But they are still someone's mother,

someone's daughter,

they are someone's loved one.

In addition to the significant cuttings

on and about her legs and body,

what we found very disturbing is

her killer had also cut off one of her eyelids.

It's like, "What are you doing with this?

Are you taking this?

Are you taking this as a souvenir?"

In Katherine's mouth was

what appeared to be a pubic hair.

With a root on it.

The difference between just finding a hair without a root

and a hair with a root is that,

if a hair has a root, it has DNA in it.

When the testing was done, it was found that

that root had produced a DNA sample

that could be matched to somebody.

But there was nobody in the system to compare it to.

The other thing that was very unusual was the fact that

there are some very strange ligature marks on her neck.

And a ligature can be a piece of cloth,

it can be a piece of cord,

But it could also be a zip-tie.

Her neck appeared to have a tie like that.

Several days later,

a citizen found some items

that had been dumped on River Road.

From where she was found, it's a good 15 to 20 miles.

That was later determined to be the victim's jacket, ID,

and there was also a zip-tie that was cut.

A zip-tie sufficiently large

to be placed around a person's neck.

We followed up on every possible lead we could,

but because of her high-risk lifestyle,

you really don't find a lot of people willing to talk about it.

This is a person whose joy is in the killing

and the mutilation.

This is a totally different animal.

What a forensic profiler would call

a ritualistic-type killing.

In 1999,

there was an anonymous phone call

made from a payphone.

The caller said her name was Florida Douglas,

which is her maiden name.

Which told me that he knew the victim, he knew her well.

In the state of Louisiana, a parish is a county,

and each parish has several cities,

and each city has a police department.

Each parish or county would have a Sheriff's Department.

At the time,

we're all working our own homicides,

but a lot of the dots aren't being connected

because of jurisdictional line.

There wasn't a lot of communication between parishes,

so if a murder happened here

and a murder happened in Lafayette,

law enforcement officers weren't working together

in order to solve those murders.

In 1999,

there was an anonymous phone call

made from a pay phone.

The caller that made the 911 call said

there was a dead body in the old Dynasty Club

that was vacant at the time.

They had shrubbery growing

and greenery growing inside the building.

There was lots and lots of trash.

It obviously had been a place

that probably drug users had frequented.

She was found, she was nude,

and she was on her back, and she draped over a box.

It appeared as someone may have

sat on top of her body and strangled her.

The killer placed her body on top of that box

so investigators would have a shock effect

once we see the body.

We were able to get DNA from that scene

in the form of bodily fluids we think was semen on her leg.

We fingerprinted the victim at the crime scene.

We eventually identify her as being Florida Edwards,

even though the caller said her name was Florida Douglas,

which is her maiden name.

Which told me that he knew the victim, he knew her well.

At that point in time, there were no eyewitnesses.

Obviously somebody made a phone call,

but nobody knew who that was.

The handset that the caller made

from this pay phone

has tissue of napkin wrapped around the handset,

which meant that he did not want to leave his fingerprints.

There was just a long list of women

that were murdered in Baton Rouge.

Women from all different parts of life.

There were women

that were taken from their home and killed,

and then, also,

there were people that had high-risk lifestyles

that were killed.

All of a sudden,

there are a lot of killing of women of the street.

Two neighbors in the area of North Acadian

smelled a foul smell coming from a house nearby.

They contact the police department.

When I walked inside that house

it was vacant, it was a lot of trash inside.

Once we got to the back of the residence,

we discovered the dead body of a female.

The female body was in advanced stage of decomposition,

you can tell by the infestation of insects on her body.

And you could tell that she had injury to her head.

She was leaning against the wall,

her legs were spread apart.

There was a Bud Light can along with all the other trash.

That Bud Light can, and several others,

were fingerprinted,

and there was a fingerprint lifted from that

that was kept at the state police crime lab.

Fingerprints from the body in the house

was matched to Sylvia Cobb,

who was reported missing

days prior to discovering her body.

She was described by her family members

to have been somewhat down on her luck.

And was found to be in areas

where there was high-risk behavior.

Both Florida Edwards and Sylvia Cobb

frequented places that were high risk.

They were at least in the neighborhoods

where drugs were being used and prostitution was prevalent.

I think that law enforcement was concerned that,

because there were similarities

they were both posed,

both found in areas that were frequented

by drug users and prostitutes,

that these victims may have been murdered by the same person.

While investigating the crimes

in north Baton Rouge,

at the same time, we had another murder took place

near LSU area, on Stanford Avenue.

Gina Wilson Green lived on Stanford Avenue,

which is a very well-traveled road in Baton Rouge,

about four blocks from LSU.

Gina was a nurse,

and she just didn't show up for work one day,

and one of her colleagues tried to get in touch with her

and couldn't do so.

So he went out to her house to do a welfare check,

and found her dead in her bed.

We got to the residence and the backdoor was unlocked.

But once we got in, we can see the rug

that led from the backdoor to the bedroom

was sort of shift to the right a little bit.

Which tells us that, possibly,

a struggle took place near the doorway.

You can see Gina Green laid in her bed.

A small amount of blood near her body.

You can see some kind of ligature marks around her neck.

It's obvious that she was strangled.

When they worked the crime scene in the house,

they recovered a blouse

that they believed that she was wearing

at the time of the attack.

We realized she had things missing

from her residence.

Her purse,

she had her cell phone missing...

I think the killer that took the property and evidence

from Gina Green house,

his intention probably was to throw us off track.

We got help from a local phone company

to track Gina Green's cellphone

They pinged it out off Choctaw,

this is kind of a northern part of Baton Rouge,

kind of deserted, kind of like a warehouse district.

Along with her cellphone,

we collected evidence of her mail,

as well as her purse and denim shorts.

And what's valuable about that

is that We's able to get trace evidence

from those items that was collected.

There wasn't much of a DNA database

across the country,

and certainly not in Baton Rouge.

So they had the genetic identity of the murderer,

but they couldn't do much with 'em,

because there wasn't a large database

to draw information from.

We looked at any friends or co-workers

anyone who knew Gina Green.

Gina Green was a registered nurse.

Was there some connection between her murder

and her work in some way?

But it was also a forced entry, a home invasion,

where they went in, secured her as fast as they could,

and then, ended up raping and killing her.

This is a person coming into your home,

knowing your schedule,

raping you,

not leaving.

But then, viciously, making you fight for your life.

And we don't know who it is.

So with the city hanging by a thread

in this summer of scare,

you have to wonder what's tugging at that thread.

The location of Gina Greene's home

was adjacent to LSU.

There's probably 20,000 females on the campus of LSU,

so it sent ripples into that community.

The ladies that lived down the street

can relate to that,

and they're in total fear at that point.

Everyone needs to be aware

that something like this could happen in their neighborhood.

May 31, 2002,

we was called to a townhome complex near LSU.

The victim was discovered in a residence,

stabbed to death.

Charlotte Murray Pace is just graduating from LSU.

She is one of the youngest students at LSU

to ever get her MBA.

Her roommate goes to their apartment

and finds a horribly bloody crime scene.

Murray's body in her bedroom, lying nude on the floor,

where she had been stabbed 81 times.

The crime scene was disorganized,

there was blood evidence throughout the townhome.

From the hallway to the bedroom

We saw that, in the living room, on a sofa,

there was a half-eaten sandwich

She had, you know, like, a sandwich and grapes.

And so, she was obviously... Her lunch was interrupted.

From there, was a bedroom

where Charlotte Murray Pace was discovered.

She had multiple stab wounds,

she's laying on her back,

and her neck had a very, very large hole in it.

Murray was in pretty good shape,

she was fairly strong,

and it appeared that she fought her offender

to the death, literally.

He could not gain control of hr

during this whole ordeal that she went through hell on.

Again, there were no witnesses.

There was no information at that point

about who would kill Murray Pace.

Who was just a brilliant, young person

that was just beginning her life.

I was home from work and I'd started fixing supper

when I got a phone call from a close friend of Murray's.

And she told me what had happened

and we thought she must have been mistaken.

'Cause, you know, you just don't think that can happen.

It's not something you ever imagine.

It's like falling down a rabbit hole

that the door shuts behind you,

and you find yourself in a world that's completely unfamiliar,

with lots of dark corners and sharp edges,

and you never really leave it again.

It's always with you after that,

that moment that changes the world.

Murray grew up in Jackson, Mississippi.

She finished high school when she was 16

and a four-year college when she was 20,

and had completed her MBA when she was 22.

She was funny,

she just had a wonderful sense of humor.

But I think her greatest attribute

was her ability to connect with people.

That was her super power.

She was as a good a friend as you'd ever hope to have.

And I finally went to Baton Rouge

and met with the coroner,

and made him tell me every single thing

that happened to her,

'cause I felt like I had to know it.

And he showed us on a mannequin all the stab wounds

he showed us everything

until we just couldn't look at it anymore.

I became a prosecutor

because I felt that victims deserve to have justice.

But the sadness of it is a little hard sometimes.

These families members, you know,

you hear the term closure...

That's just... That doesn't exist.

The rest of their lives,

they will live with the loss that they've experienced,

they will wonder how much their loved one hurt

when they were killed,

and they will never, ever leave it behind.

It-they just don't recover. Not completely. Ever.

As a detective,

you want to solve all your cases.

And so, you're constantly thinking

about things you've done,

things that you should've done,

second guessing yourself, to say,

"Did I look at all the evidence?"

You really want to solve all the cases,

not only for the victims,

but the victims families, as well as the, uh, community.

You got more at stake,

because that serial killer is not gonna stop his activities

until he's apprehended.

It's a race against the clock.

During our background check,

we learn that Charlotte Murray Pace once lived

three houses down from Gina Green.

Murray lived in a house with other girls

who were in graduate school on Stanford Avenue.

This was way too coincidental in our books.

I mean it just sent a shockwave through all of us.

It stands to reason

that the killer was Charlotte Murray Pace

when he was stalking Gina Green

And after he killed Gina,

and Murray moved,

he followed her and stalked he.

He stalked, he stalked in the way

the ritualistic killer stalked.

That is a part of the psychology of these killers,

they are like huntsman with prey.

At this point in time,

there's still had not been a connection made.

The murder of Gina Green and Murray

were different enough that,

you know, Murray's stabbed brutally,

and her throat was slashed as well,

and Gina Green was strangled.

They weren't close enough that everybody said,

"Oh, definitely, must've been the same person"

In July of 2002, two of the DNA analysts

just happened to be hanging out in the breakroom

and talking about their cases.

They decided, not pursuant to law enforcement requests,

but they decided to just kinda compare

their profiles that they received from their DNA,

because Murray's body had

a complete profile of her attacker.

So they have this conversation, and they compare the profiles,

and oh my gosh,

the profiles were an exact match.

I remember the two DNA analysts screaming, literally,

in the laboratory,

that we had connected the Gina Green case

and the Charlotte Murray Pace case,

We were just completely floored

That's when the thought was,

"Oh my God, we have a serial killer."

Hopefully to remain calm,

I know there's a lot of fear in this city.

- Two unsolved murders. - Local women in Baton...

Sexual assault, rape, and a very, very violent death.

You had to worry about your wife,

you had to worry about your daughter.

Nobody was safe.

I'm lookin' ya right between the eyes and tell you,

we don't have anything at this point.

How do you slow this down? How do you stop it?

How do you prevent having another victim?

gun stores are again

selling handguns at record rates.

Store owners are telling us most of those buying guns

are female college students.

It's a situation that has many people on edge.

One of the murder victims

was Jackson-native Murray Pace,

it's tonight's big story

There was a big weight

A nervousness, an anxiousness around campus.

You had Gina Green, who was killed right off campus

And then you had Charlotte Murray Pace,

who was a former neighbor of Gina Green,

and she was stabbed more than 80 times with a screwdriver.

Once that connection is made,

there's more of an urgency in Baton Rouge.

I mean, suddenly, we know that we have a problem,

and that someone else is likely to be killed

if we don't do something to find this person.

So there's a great deal of urgency.

It really could have been me, it could have been my sister,

it could have been any female student at the time.

I'm going to be honest,

nobody wants to think, at that point in time,

that you may have a serial investigation taking place

until it's proven.

We know that those sorts of things

are very disturbing to the public.

So, we walk down that path very carefully.

Pam Kinamore is a 44-year-old owner

of an antique shop,

she lives in Baton Rouge, she is married,

and has one son.

On the night in question,

she arrived home,

preparing to take a bath.

She has candles lit, she has the bathwater run...

And she was just gone.

The victim's husband discovered that,

once he got home, the van was parked in the driveway,

the tub had water in it, and there's blood on the rug.

Pam's husband, Byron Kinamore, says

he came home late last night.

Pam's car was in the driveway of her Briarwood Estates home.

Neighbors noticed lights on in the house

around 10 PM.

There was blood found on the rug in the den.

Other than that, there wasn't much sign of struggle.

At the time, we had no clue as to who may have done this.

The tub was full of water,

so we assume that the victim wa in the process of taking a bath

when the attacker made contact with her.

Crime scene officers collected swabs

from those blood spots.

And they were run by the state police crime lab.

investigators say this is also too early

to know if this is in any way connected

to the recent LSU murders.

On July 16, 2002,

fishermen found her body off the Whiskey Bay Bridge

on the Atchafalaya Basin.

the elements had really taken their toll on her body.

We also discovered that her throat had been slit.

Investigators also saw a piece of a phone cord

that they thought was out of place.

So, they collected that phone cord

and they put it into evidence.

Pam Kinamore was a little bit different a victim.

She was a wife, she was a mother,

lived on the opposite side of town.

They were able to obtain

at least a partial profile from her body.

Stunning news this evening in the murder

of South Baton Rouge businesswoman Pam Kinamore.

DNA tests released this afternoon

show Kinamore's killer is the same man

who murdered two other woman in South Baton Rouge.

These three women now

all have been linked forensically

and have been killed by the same person, and therefore,

have met the definition of a serial killer.

I mean, honestly, we were just completely floored,

because these cases were kind of different.

Charlotte Murray Pace had been stabbed.

Pam Kinamore had actually been abducted from her home,

and then, dumped miles away in a body of water.

Which made connecting them through a normal means of things

like M.O., victimology, things like that,

very, very difficult.

And the only way to connect the was through the forensic means,

in this case, DNA.

It's a DNA discovery that prompted police

to issue a special plea late today.

Once we got the match,

there was a press conference to announce to the public

that we had one killer.

We want everybody to be aware

that it appears that we have a single, uh... Killer.

The decision to announce that

was extremely hard.

We had a duty to the public, to let them know.

People had a right to defend themselves

or prepare themselves

if they thought they might end up as a victim.

Public officials are very hesitant

to use the word "serial killer"

because of the fear it invokes in the general public.

I'm lookin' ya right between the eyes and tell you,

we don't have anything at this point

that we can give to the public.

So it's always a juggling act

to try to make sure you got all your pieces in place

before you put out that word,

because you're gonna be besieged with thousands of tips

And we needed to be ready for that day when it came.

We would caution the public

not to let anyone into your house

unless you know who they are.

Nobody knew what was going on.

There was limited information coming out in the news.

Everybody was scared and didn't know what to do.

You had people that were buying guns,

going for training...

It was the summer of fear.

The fear of a serial killer is that there is somebody

that is under the radar of law enforcement.

This person could just be driving around,

He had apparently followed the,

he apparently had known some of their routine,

he had known some of where they had lived.

I'm thinking, "Is this somebody they knew?

Is this somebody in the neighborhood?"

People that didn't lock their doors

started locking their doors,

People became more skeptical of everybody they saw,

and became more cautious of, you know...

"Is that person's the serial killer?"

I think everybody should be cautious.

We know that these guys will typically kill

until they're caught,

and our biggest fear is

if the next one was going to come sooner than later.

But first, we have some very important news

regarding the search for the Baton Rouge Serial Killer.

A white man, in a white truck,

with a naked woman.

A white truck they believe Pam Kinamore's body was seen in

shortly before it was dumped there at the Whiskey Bay Bridge

It absolutely went crazy.

It was like a nightmare.

Oh my gosh, have we been wrong?

Are we dealing with a white man in a white truck?

Everybody in Baton Rouge apparently knew

who the serial killer was, except me.

Or is there something else here?

This was a big freakin' deal.

We've changed the whole complexion and direction

of our case.

That put the body count of connected murders at five.

So now, we knew we were on a manhunt.

They found DNA that ties to one individual,

they're just not sure who that individual is...

There is fear in this community,

both on campus and off.

We immediately called a meeting

with all the Who's Who of law enforcement in Baton Rouge.

DAs, US attorneys,

head of law enforcement agencies,

And we sat at the FBI's office

and we discussed these cases at length.

The FBI can assist state and local law enforcement officers

when they're conducting investigations

into serial murders.

The criteria is that there needs to be three homicides,

and they have to be linked.

The Baton Rouge Police Department

and the Sheriff's Office contacted the FBI

and requested our assistance.

We connected Gina Green,

Charlotte Murray Pace and Pam Kinamore through DNA,

now we got confirmation we have a serial killer

that killed these women.

At that point, on August the 4th of 2002

the task force was formed to investigate these homicides.

Let us pull together today

to show a force of strength

and send a message to this offender:

no more victims.

Each agency would provide

a certain number of investigators to the task force

to assist with covering leads.

There must have been 30 or 40 people.

It was big news, and every day,

the media would want to know the progress of the task force.

They were really pounding 'em.

We deployed profilers to the area,

so that they could review other cases

and help with the investigation.

A typical serial killer

that's generated by the FBI

is that white male between the ages of 25, 35...

That's what they call a typical serial killer.

One of the tips that we thought was very viable was

there was a truck driver traveling toward Lafayette

on the interstate.

He remembered seeing a white man in a white truck

with a naked woman on the Atchafalaya Basin.

And it looked like she was either passed out

or something was wrong with her.

Now, investigators say

they still need your help in finding a white truck

they believe Pam Kinamore's boy was seen in

shortly before it was dumped there at the Whiskey Bay Bridge

This is the type of white truck investigators are looking for.

The task force released the first profile,

a white male, driving a white truck.

We're not 100% certain that this is the person we're looking for

but we do wanna, uh...

Talk to this individual and see

why he was at that location at that time.

So we all made a decision to go ahead

and put out the description of the white truck,

the male, and the female.

And it absolutely went crazy.

Police department hotline?

Calls keep coming in, hundreds by the day, saying,

"I know somebody that's like this,

he acts like this, he's weird..."

Okay, what can you tell me about the pickup he was in?

I mean everybody in Baton Rouge apparently knew

who the serial killer was, except me.

And if you've ever been in South Louisiana,

white is the color of every pickup truck here.

Everyone in Louisiana was looking for

a white man in a white truck, everyone in Baton Rouge.

I mean, I found myself... I'd see a white truck

and I'd see some creepy-looking guy in the white truck,

and I'd automatically think,

"Oh my God, that could be the serial killer."

There were constant tips about white men

that were driving white trucks.

Guy pulled up in a white truck, freaked me out!

And they were constantly getting search warrants

and taking swabs from the individuals.

They even had people with white pickup trucks

writing on their truck, "It's not me."

I think everybody's worst fear...

"How do you slow this down? How do you stop it?"

That's a tremendous amount of pressure.

They swabbed over 2,000 white men,

but it was a dead end.

There were no more leads.

In November 2002,

we became aware of a female that came up missing,

just west of East Baton Rouge Parish.

We find out that the victim, Dene Colombo,

went to visit her mother's gravesite

in Grand Coteau, Louisiana.

Her vehicle was discovered near her mother's grave site.

Her car keys were still in the vehicle,

as well as her purse.

Her body was found days later

by hunters in the woods.

She had been beaten severely

and at that point in time, there was a thought, that,

"Hey, we need to check her DNA,

we need to see if this is the same person

that has been killing other women."

And when they obtained the profile, it was.

DNA evidence obtained in Trineisha Dene Colombo case

has matched the DNA evidence

in the Baton Rouge serial murder cases.

In just over a year,

four women have been murdered in Louisiana,

their deaths linked by DNA evidence.

It had always been a theory

that a serial killer kills within his same race,

but Dene Colombo was a black female.

So this changed the way law enforcement looked at it.

At that point in time, it was,

"Okay, are we dealing with a white man in a white truck?

Or is there something else here?"

On March 3, of 2003, Carrie Lynn Yoder,

who was obtaining her doctorate degree at LSU,

disappeared from her residence, which was very close to campus.

She had been bringing in groceries.

And she disappeared.

There was no sign of her.

Several days later, a fisherman found her body

in Whiskey Bay,

probably about 100 yards from where Pam Kinamore was located.

So, We's pretty confident, the task force,

that the same person that killed Carrie Yoder

killed Pam Kinamore.

DNA was recovered from Carrie Yoder's body

and was submitted for testing.

Law enforcement found, again,

that the same person murdered Carrie Yoder

that murdered Dene Colombo, that murdered Pam Kinamore,

that murdered Murray Pace, and that murdered Gina Green.

That put the body count of connected murders at five.

There was a lot of chaos caused by the fact

that these murders had all been connected

and that the killer was still unknown.

Remain calm, I know there is a lot of fear in this city,

and I-and I feel it.

It's a tremendous amount of pressure

on any officer that works one of these cases

and can't find an answer to it.

I've exhausted everything I can, and to talk to these families...

It takes a toll on you.

You could see that they were working very hard

to try to solve theses murders.

We all felt like we were holding our breath.

Terror continues in Louisiana.

Police in Baton Rouge are desperately searching...

Dozens of law enforcement agencies

are involved in the serial killer investigation...

The stress is very high in Baton Rouge.

It was stressful not only in the public,

but also stressful at home, with your family,

because they wanna know also who killed these women.

As a task force,

you cannot give details about your investigation,

because you gotta keep the evidence

as close to vest as possible,

to make sure the killer doesn't know what you know.

It was very frustrating not to be better informed

by the law enforcement official dealing with the case.

But I also understand we were not their first priority,

the case itself was the first priority.

One of our state crime labs told us

about a company in Florida, called DNAPrint Genomics.

This lab out of Florida actually contacted

the state police crime lab, and said,

"We'd like to give you

the benefit of this new testing that we have.

We think that we can help identify this person,

or at least give you

basic information about his race."

It was untested,

and we didn't wanna just take their word for it,

so we took samples from various task force officers,

about 10 to 20 of 'em,

and we sent those to the company

and had them perform their test on those samples.

We took the samples from various individuals,

of various backgrounds,

White, black, uh... Native American, Asian...

And we sent that information and those samples

to the company.

They conducted their analysis of those samples,

they sent us the information back,

and they had identified correctly the race

of every single blind sample that we sent them.

We got the DNA from all the crime scenes

that point to one individual,

But still, we do not have his identity,

his name or his picture.

So, the DNA that connected the suspect to the five crime scenes

to the five crime scenes was sent to Florida.

The results was 85% African and 15% Native American,

which meant that our suspect is an African American.

This is a big frickin' deal, we've changed

the whole complexion and direction of our case.

Because now, we're looking at an African American as a suspect

and not a white male.

I kept thinking,

"Oh my gosh, have we been wrong?"

You know, we'd been going down rabbit holes this whole time.

New information tonight,

in the case of the Baton Rouge serial killer

that could change the focus of the investigation.

This was not a white man in a white truck.

They needed to broaden their search completely.

This person could possibly be a dark-complected white male,

a man of mixed heritage, or a black male.

Once we received that information,

we reviewed all the previous tips we had received

regarding African Americans,

and we reopened all of those tips.

When I was sitting in the task force office one day,

I got a call from somebody in the town of Breaux Bridge

that said that they had a crime that we might ought to look at.

Three days before Pam Kinamore was murdered,

there was an attack

about 45 minutes from Baton Rouge.

Dianne Alexander was a nurse.

She was in living in a trailer in Breaux Bridge, Louisiana.

We're looking for a killer,

we just don't know who it is.

But in so many of the cases I've tried,

I feel that, sometimes, God's hand intervenes.

Father, may this story come out

the way it needs to be told.

May it be filled with words that will help someone else to heal,

but at the same time,

give someone else courage to tell their own story.

And we say thank you that you're here with us.

- Oh... - In Jesus' name.

- In Jesus' name. - Amen.

Thank you. Amen.

My name is Dianne Alexander,

and I am a survivor.

I was home alone, ironing my nursing uniform

and making dinner for my husband and my son, Herman.

I felt a eerie, uneasy feeling, like something wasn't right.

I put on some gospel music.

♪ Will be revealed ♪

There was a knock on the door.

I wasn't expecting anyone,

but I lived in the area for 12 years,

so it wasn't unusual

just to open the door

and see who was on the opposite side.

So I opened the door,

and there was this young man, about mid 30's,

well-dressed, he had a polo shirt on.

I said, "May I help you?"

And he said, "Hi, my name is Anthony.

I'm supposed to do construction for the Montgomerys.

Do you know where they live?"

And I said, "No, I have no idea who these people are."

So, he asked for the phone, which was a handset at the time

So I brought it to him.

I didn't close the door because I didn't wanna appear rude.

And he asked for the phone directory.

I gave that to him as well.

He asked again,

"Are you sure you don't know who these people are?",

And by then, I was frustrated.

And I said, "Look..."

And that's when he rushed in.

He overpowered me.

He caught me by the throat, put me against the door.

He whispered in my left ear,

"I've been watching you."

♪ Hear me, Jesus ♪

He removed his hand, laid me on the floor...

If I tried to fight him,

I knew, without a shadow of a doubt,

this man would kill me.

He found a telephone cord, he cut the phone cord,

and he tried to strangle me with it.

But I ended up putting my fingers

between my neck and the cord,

I was like this, holding it.

And he didn't succeed.

It was summertime. He was sweating profusely.

He was sweating so hard that it was dripping like water.

Little did he know my eyes were almost like a camera.

Taking a mugshot.

When he turned forward,

it was like snapping a photo.

Throughout the whole ordeal, fear didn't overtake me.

I did think that I was going to die.

But then again, I... I was at peace.

♪ We are walking

♪ To the same place ♪

He hit me with a blunt object, in my forehead.

I didn't feel the pain, I only felt the pressure.

But I have no idea what he hit me with.

And my head involuntarily just went to the left.

And that's when Herman showed up.

When I was driving up to the home,

I notice something very unusual.

My mom's car was parked home,

and also, another car was parked in the driveway.

The car was a gold Mitsubishi Mirage.

When the young man realized

that someone showed up,

He stomped me in the center of my abdomen,

and I curled up in a fetal position.

Once I got in the house,

I heard a voice saying, "Get a knife."

When Herman entered through the front door, I said,

"Herman, get a knife, get a knife!"

Then as I looked over to the left, toward the voice,

I see daylight down the hallway,

as if someone had fleed out the backdoor.

I quickly ran back to the front door,

and I seen the car speeding away.

So, I got back in the car, headed west on Highway 31,

trying to find the car that was parked in the driveway.

I was unsuccessful.

Through the time of trying to search for the car,

I thought about Mom.

Eventually, it's like a force just picked me up.

Because I knew I had a phone in my bedroom,

but the gentleman that tried to kill me

didn't know that I had a second phone.

Then I called 911,

I was in and out of consciousness.

She was in the emergency room

being taken care of by the doctors.

She was in, what I would consider, grave condition.

She described the individual as a black male,

kind of muscular build, had a short haircut.

You know, 25 to 35 years old.

Approximately 5'9 ", 5'10" in height.

She was lucky to be alive.

I mean, it triggers a lot of emotions.

It breaks your heart,

a lot of rage that you don't know where to take it out on.

Majority of emotions wasn't good emotions.

But you still want to be positive

through a situation like this

because, at the end of the day, I still have my mom.

Had Herman not shown up, I wouldn't be here today.

We talked to Ms. Alexander at length,

and the profilers interviewed her as well,

and came to the determination

that it was a very good chance that our unknown offender

was the person who assaulted Ms. Alexander.

We asked her, "Did you get a really good look at him?"

and she said, "Yeah, I-I had a really good look at him.

While I was at the police station,

we did a composite of my attacker.

Maybe that's why I was taking mugshots with my eyes,

to remember exactly what he looked like.

Mrs. Alexander had described her attacker

as sweating profusely and attempting to strangle her.

Based upon her testimony, it was my belief that

there would've been a higher concentration of contact DNA

around the collar area of Mrs. Alexander's dress.

They tested the DNA that her attacker left behind.

They found it to be enough to prove

that it was the same person that had killed

all five of the women that were murdered.

This was monumental in this case,

because Dianne Alexander was the first victim that lived.

And the DNA that they were able to retrieve in her case

that was linked to the serial killer

is the first eyewitness that we had that could tell us

what the serial killer actually looked like.

She is a true living witness who can say, "Yeah, it's him.

Also, they were able to analyze

the phone cord that was still at Dianne's Alexander's house.

And they were able to match it up to the cord

that was found at the dump site of Pam Kinamore.

That shifted the investigation

to include our case

to the South Louisiana Serial Killer Task Force,

and a decision was made to make a news release.

We had a jigsaw puzzle

but didn't know what the picture looked like.

Until this weekend.

A composite drawing was given to the public

that was created from the memory of Ms. Alexander

the time she was attacked.

The sketch we saw with the description that, uh...

that Dianne Alexander gave and everything else,

When I saw the sketch, I knew who it was.

It was Derrick Todd Lee.

she was able to give them a basic description

of the person that attacked her.

Dianne Alexander had been beaten badly,

and she had bled over a large portion of the clothing

that she was wearing.

And it was his sweat that was found

in a void portion of her clothing.

And that was what they were able to get his DNA from.

Derrick Todd Lee lived in St. Francisville,

He worked laying concrete, he also worked at local plants,

he did labor work.

So he's used to working with his hands.

He's a very strong male.

He had a fairly significant arrest record.

Mostly peeping tom, trespassing, those type crimes.

But the never collected the DNA of Derrick Todd Lee.

On the Randi Mebruer case, back in 1998

Derrick Todd Lee, he was my number one suspect.

I'll never forget the night

we went to Derrick Todd Lee's house,

searching his closet,

and that the hair on the back of my neck stood up

You know, we'd been working the case,

interviewing individuals, talking to many people.

We began looking at different cement slabs

that had been newly poured by him.

We searched a swamp area in the St. Francisville area

down the road from where he lived,

to no avail.

We just couldn't come up with a whole lot of evidence

at the time.

No physical evidence at the scene,

not really understanding DNA back then, in 1998.

This case started off basically as a homicide in 1998,

abduction case from Zachary, Louisiana.

It kind of stayed in the back of my mind,

because it was still an open case.

Randi Mebruer's body was never located.

When the murders in Baton Rouge started increasing in frequency

I started looking into this again.

When I start digging

into Derrick Todd Lee's work history,

I find out he's doing construction work

around the gates and lakes at LSU,

and that he's been hauling trucks,

crossing Whiskey Bay three times a week,

where these bodies are turning up.

I dig a little bit further,

and I find out he's worked for J.E. Merrit,

where Connie Warner's body turned up, in late '92.

It's starting to look more and more than just a coincidence.

I did a criminal history search on Lee

and found out that he was in jail

when these murders stopped.

And he was outta jail when these murders were happening.

But we still don't have Derrick Todd Lee's DNA.

When I looked at the six photos,

I looked at each face, each nose,

from the hair to the facial features,

the shape of the face,

until I got to Derrick Todd Lee.

And I knew, without a shadow of a doubt,

he was the one.

We get the subpoena, and we go to look for Lee.

When we first got there, Lee was belligerent,

he was hollering and screaming a bunch of expletives,

and most of them were directed at McDavid.

It was kind of a strange deal,

because he wouldn't do the DNA swab

if McDavid was present.

As he saw me, he asked that

he didn't want nobody from Zachary P.D. there,

so I left the area.

They walked inside his house, they swabbed him,

the swab was turned over

to the Louisiana State Police Crime Lab.

Once we took Derrick Todd Lee's DNA,

I asked the lab technician to look at our evidence

that we had submitted on Randi Mebruer.

With the Randi Mebruer case,

the pink bag was never tested in serology,

it was actually tested for fingerprints.

They were certain that the bag had been used to, possibly,

line whatever was used

to transport the body away from the crime scene,

because Randi Mebruer's body has never been found.

We processed those garbage bag, and when we were looking

at the possible bloodstains that were on the garbage bags,

one of the things that we also did was

we looked at them underneath an alternate light source.

If you've watched any of the forensic shows,

you've seen the little blue light

that makes certain body fluids glow.

And what we noticed was there was actually a little stain

in the edge of one of those bloodstains that glowed.

And that was when we realized

we actually had a semen stain in the edge of a bloodstain.

We had no idea that a case that old

was gonna be linked to the serial killer.

In May of 2003,

we get a call in the middle of the night.

Unbeknownst to us, we got a hit.

It's Derrick Todd Lee.

A suspect has been identified i the homicides of Gina Green,

Charlotte Murray Pace, Pam Kinamore,

Dene Colombo and Carrie Lynn Yoder.

I'll never forget it, it was a Sunday.

I had got through cutting grass at my house,

and I received a call from the task force, and said,

"Hey, look, just want to let you all know, right now...

Your DNA has connected,

the individual is Derrick Todd Lee."

We put together a SWAT team

comprising of FBI agents and BRPD

and we hit the home of Derrick Todd Lee in West Feliciana.

He was not there.

We secured the scene, the house was searched,

there was no evidence that he was there.

So now, we knew we were on a manhunt.

warrant

has been issued in East Baton Rouge Parish

on the charges of first-degree murder and aggravated rape,

and an extensive manhunt is currently underway.

We urge our residents to be cautious

and consider Mr. Lee to be armed and dangerous

and possibly still in West Feliciana Parish.

It wasn't time to relax.

We still did not have the person in custody,

and We's praying that he did not victimize anyone else.

The FBI received some tips that he was in Atlanta, Georgia.

We believe he's here in Atlanta and we need to get him arrested

Derrick Todd Lee, if you can hear me,

I met with your mother this morning.

She has asked me to ask you to please turn yourself in.

Investigators in Atlanta, Georgia

located him and arrested him.

We now have the subject in custody,

and soon, he will be transported back to Baton Rouge.

I fell into a ball on the floor in my kitchen,

and I literally weeped for probably an hour.

I just can't even tell you

the emotions that were running through my body at that point.

It was a nightmare that had finally ended.

When Derrick Todd Lee was finally captured,

It was a... A sense of relief,

that now, he's behind bars

and he won't hurt or kill anyone else.

That was an overwhelming joy for me at that moment.

The DNA of Derrick Todd Lee

was also connected to Randi Mebruer

as well as Geralyn DeSoto, over in West Baton Rouge.

So, the total at that time was seven.

Once we apprehended Derrick Todd Lee,

we brought him in to be questioned.

We confronted Derrick with the fact

that we had the DNA on these multiple crime scenes.

He's still denying he committed these acts.

But one thing that was striking that he told me, he said,

"I confess to God, why should I confess to men?"

To see Derrick Lee the first time was a shock.

You kept looking at him for some sign,

some mark of the demon,

Some-something that made him recognizable

as subhuman or monstrous.

It seemed impossible that somebody

who was an ordinary human being

which you could have passed on the street a hundred times,

could be the person that he was.

It was huge.

The city'd been on edge,

and law enforcement had been on edge as well,

just trying to find this person.

I received a call, I believe it was on a Saturday.

It was on a weekend that, uh...

a body had been located in a remote area

in the extreme North end of the parish.

I drove out to see if I could be of any kind of assistance,

and when I got there,

it was a very bad scene.

The body had been there for a while.

It had been, positioned over some brush and some debris

in a very degrading manner.

When we rolled the body, we discovered that

her hands had been removed.

Horrific things in this case.

The horror of finding this decomposing body,

but the horror of it being without hands.

She also had a ligature mark

where she had been choked to death.

You couldn't see the mark,

because of the collar of insects around her neck.

The condition of her body and the cuttings,

very, very unusual.

Just... Just not something you see in a homicide scene.

The victim was identified as Johnnie Mae Williams,

another black female

who was living a high-risk lifestyle.

Because her hands had been severed,

she was starting to get some bug activity on her body.

And so, we collected some of the bugs, because,

in our minds, we thought someone had cut her hands off to keep...

I-I guess as a trophy.

And then, some of the other detectives

immediately remembered that

one of Katherine Hall's eyelids had been cut off.

The alarm went off at that point.

With the deaths of Johnnie Mae Williams

and Katherine Hall years before

this is not a coincidence.

And then you got these ritualistic cuttings

on both of them.

They absolutely know at this point

this is serial killer number two at work.

We knew that we had something

when we discovered the body of Johnnie Mae Williams

and it was so similar

to the one four years earlier, with Katherine Hall.

During the autopsy,

where her hands had been severed,

there was another hair found

embedded in one of the bones of her arms.

And the hair was most likely left

by the person who was doing the cutting

and the taking of her hands away.

Ultimately, the hair collected

from Johnnie Mae's body

matched the hair collected from Katherine Hall's body,

So we knew it was the same killer.

We knew we had the same person.

First, we had the violent series of home invasions

with a serial killer, Derrick Todd Lee.

Then we segue into ritualistic serial killings,

murdering prostitutes, generally speaking,

and doing multiple cuttings.

We realize now that we probably had

a second serial killer in Baton Rouge.

Derrick Todd Lee had just been captured.

And now, we're fixing to tell everybody

that we've got another serial killer,

separate and apart from Lee,

who we believe had killed these two women.

Prior to the late 1900s and early 2000, in Baton Rouge,

there had been no serial killer, or at least that we knew of.

This was, you know, something that was just totally foreign.

All the sudden, we know that we have one,

and then, it looks like we have two.

Women were scared to go out by themself.

It just really almost had Baton Rouge in a state of panic.

In February of '04,

some citizens called from off of Ben Hur Road,

which is just south of LSU.

They noticed the body of a white female

laying on some brush in the canal.

The first responding deputies that came up on it

noticed immediately

that the body had been laid upon the brush

in a posed position.

The detectives, upon closer inspection,

realized that one of her arms had been severed

from the elbow down.

When the body was rolled over,

there was also a very significant cutting

on one of her legs.

But it was very peculiar

that the cutting was cut almost in a perfect square.

About a three- or four-inch piece of flesh

had been removed from her leg.

So we immediately knew it was the same person.

Access to the scene was limited by a very, very small gate.

The gate was ajar

and it was just enough room

for a small vehicle to go in and out.

Well, there was a mud puddle in the middle of that gate

and it left a beautiful tire track,

that we believed must have belonged

to the last vehicle that had gone through that gate.

And we believed that was gonna be the vehicle of the killer.

The tire prints, the tire marks were

what I call the smoking gun in this case.

Our crime scene tech,

he made a cast of the tire tracks

both going into the gap that entered into the field

and also the tracks that backed up to the brush pie

where her body was found.

During the autopsy,

scrapings were taken from underneath her fingernails

and submitted for DNA analysis.

The victim was identified as Donna Bennett Johnston.

Same similarities as the other two victims that we had.

Very high-risk lifestyle.

She had had some battles with addiction,

and then, ultimately, landed on the streets,

in the same areas as Katherine Hall

and Johnnie Mae Williams.

We got fingernails scrapings from Ms. Johnston

that were compared for nuclear DNA

to the root of the hair from Katherine Hall,

and then, the shaft of that same hair

compared to the shaft of the hair

discovered with Johnnie Mae Williams.

And ultimately, they all matched.

So, we knew at that point that the same killer

had committed the homicide of Donna Johnston,

Katherine Hall, and Johnnie Mae Williams.

We knew without a doubt that we had the same serial killer

and that they were probably more victims out there.

At that point, we put a task force together

involving the Sheriff's office, the FBI,

Louisiana state attorney general's office,

Louisiana State Police, and the Baton Rouge City Police.

We had to ensure our victims' families

that this case was going to be worked just as diligently

as Derrick Todd Lee's.

We would also take this opportunity to ask any agency

that if they have murders they believe are similar,

to contact the task force.

Anything of that nature that remains unsolved

after Derrick Todd Lee will be looked at,

it's simply a matter of which ones we prioritize.

The FBI finally put together a profile

of what they thought this person would be.

This was probably a white male,

mid-30s to 40 years old,

He does not look threatening,

he does not look like he's foaming at the mouth.

He will start being a perfect gentleman

until he turns into that monster

and then forces his way in and does what he does.

The task force sat down and talked about all the evidence

that we had to go on

and we talked about investigative strategies.

And the tire tracks,

we determined that was probably going to be our best lead.

The East Baton Rouge Parish Sheriff's Office Crime Scene

had taken molds of those tire mark impressions

as well as photographs,

and their crime scene investigators had determined,

by talking to various tire manufacturers,

that the tires were Goodyear Aqua Tread Three.

What's interesting about the Goodyear Aqua Tread Three tires

is that it's an after-market tire,

so that means it's sold at a tire shop.

When you go to a tire shop to buy tires,

your name is going to be in a database,

because they're gonna have to get rid of your old tires

and that gets tracked.

We found out from Goodyear that the tires were sold

at three different locations in the Baton Rouge area.

When we went to these three shops,

we obtained a list of people

that had purchased the Goodyear Aqua Tread Three tires.

We had approximately 100 names.

We took the list, divided it up

amongst the investigators on the task force,

and we were tasked with going out

and talking to the owners of these tires

and seeing if they would cooperate.

One of the things that I did when I got my list is,

I had an analyst run their criminal histories,

and based upon my list of approximately ten people,

two of them had prior arrests.

And one of the top two was Sean Vincent Gillis.

The following day,

I went to see Mr. Gillis at his residence.

When I approached Mr. Gillis's house,

we walked past a vehicle

and noted on the vehicle,

before we even knocked on the door,

that the Goodyear Aqua Tread Three tires were on the vehicle.

Mr. Gillis was very unassuming,

and he asked us to come around to the backyard to talk to him.

When I asked him if he knew Johnnie Mae Williams,

Gillis told me he did, in fact, know her.

He said, "Johnnie Mae and I are friends.

She used to actually work for me,

She would come in periodically and clean my home.

He said that he knew Johnnie Mae Williams very well,

said they had had sexual relations before,

said she had been with him in his car on many occasions.

That's when we asked him for a swab.

He readily volunteered to provide a DNA sample

I handed that swab over

to our evidence custodian that was part of the task force,

and she immediately took it

to the Louisiana State Police Crime Lab.

After more conversation with Sean,

he agreed to come down to the office for questioning.

He was smoking a cigarette,

and I remember, before he got into the vehicle,

he smoked half his cigarette and he threw it on the ground,

and he said, "Let's get this over with."

It was probably the most disturbing interrogation

I've ever heard in my life.

He said that "the moonlight hit her bone,

and I just wanted to touch it."

A policeman looked at me, and said,

"You didn't know you were living with a serial killer?"

It's like being caught in a story that can't be true,

but you can't get out of it.

As soon as you can take a breath

and you realize that that's over,

it's not over.

It was incredible to even contemplate.

A suspected serial killer,

making him the third man accused of that title

in the Baton Rouge area in the last ten years.

Could there be a third serial killer?