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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,390 --> 00:00:07,740 Return on invested capital, or ROIC, is a real key thing for investors, particularly value investors. 2 00:00:07,770 --> 00:00:10,400 It's a great way to measure companies. 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:15,320 Charlie Munger, who is a partner and associate with Warren Buffett, famous value investor You know, 4 00:00:15,330 --> 00:00:19,790 he really relies on this primarily as his main way of looking at things. 5 00:00:19,790 --> 00:00:23,890 And he a great quote around that, and we'll look at how to calculate and a little bit more here in 6 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:24,510 a second. 7 00:00:24,510 --> 00:00:30,810 But you know, he said that it's obvious that if a company generates high returns on capital Kabul being 8 00:00:30,810 --> 00:00:35,690 like cash or investments and reinvest at high returns, it will do well right. 9 00:00:35,770 --> 00:00:40,440 If we were able to generate a lot of money and then we invest that money back in the company or reinvest 10 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,250 in the company, and we keep generating high returns on that and company is going to do well. 11 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:50,610 And then he adds on this, but this one sell books, so there's lots of twaddle and fuzzy concepts that 12 00:00:50,610 --> 00:00:53,980 have been introduced that don't add much to hopefully a lot of things going on. 13 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,970 Of course, there's not a bunch of twaddle, but our fuzzy concept. 14 00:00:56,970 --> 00:01:01,020 But but this is where he really relies on this ROIC. 15 00:01:01,230 --> 00:01:06,900 And the concept behind it is if I take money that I've made as a company and think of myself as a business 16 00:01:06,900 --> 00:01:08,300 owner, I've made money. 17 00:01:08,580 --> 00:01:12,360 I not take that money and then we invest that money in my company. 18 00:01:12,630 --> 00:01:16,950 Things like research and development or expansion or new factories or employees or whatever. 19 00:01:16,950 --> 00:01:23,490 I'm reinvesting that money and my return on that money is even bigger and keeps growing over time by 20 00:01:23,490 --> 00:01:28,080 generating more profits, then that's going to be I'm going to do well as a company, and that's a very 21 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:29,040 obvious kind of thing. 22 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:29,850 And we can measure that. 23 00:01:29,850 --> 00:01:34,320 And we actually have some formulas we'll look at here at the end of this lesson about how how to actually 24 00:01:34,320 --> 00:01:34,890 measure that. 25 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:36,900 So look, let's look at example. 26 00:01:37,320 --> 00:01:41,640 So going back in time, you know, Apple made a lot of money on the iPod. 27 00:01:41,890 --> 00:01:47,100 You remember, the iPod was ten thousand songs in your pocket was the marketing or 50000? 28 00:01:47,100 --> 00:01:49,260 I can remember the number, but it was really revolutionary. 29 00:01:49,650 --> 00:01:54,860 But it did have a lifecycle like a lot of technology types and things, but they invested, you know, 30 00:01:54,930 --> 00:01:59,310 the money they made in the iPod into more research and developed and developed other very profitable 31 00:01:59,310 --> 00:02:05,970 products such as the iPhone and iPad, which were even more profitable and continue to be and are extremely 32 00:02:05,970 --> 00:02:06,630 successful. 33 00:02:06,630 --> 00:02:12,540 So Apple, you'd say, would have a great ROIC return on invested capital because they made a lot of 34 00:02:12,540 --> 00:02:16,620 money on the iPod reinvest that, particularly in research and development around these iPhones and 35 00:02:16,620 --> 00:02:21,720 iPod, which were at some point the gleam in some of his eye and later and now become something you 36 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,950 and I, you know, really have a hard time living without, which would be like a smartphone, and they're 37 00:02:25,950 --> 00:02:27,570 certainly competitors have grown up around that. 38 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,900 But that's a great return on invested capital for Apple. 39 00:02:31,980 --> 00:02:37,620 So we think about what is our oath, I see and what we're trying to measure here of the concept of reinvesting 40 00:02:37,620 --> 00:02:42,060 that capital is it's kind of a it's a it's a profitability and performance ratio. 41 00:02:42,060 --> 00:02:47,640 It's a measure to say, you know, it's a ratio that we can then compare companies with who's doing 42 00:02:47,640 --> 00:02:49,710 a better job of reinvesting in capital. 43 00:02:49,950 --> 00:02:56,070 Just like a price to earnings ratios and peg ratios, this ROIC is a ratio to compare performance. 44 00:02:56,310 --> 00:02:58,200 How is the management team reinvesting it? 45 00:02:58,260 --> 00:03:03,690 How well are they doing reinvesting their profits and register the percentage return on investment in 46 00:03:03,690 --> 00:03:05,540 the company by the company itself? 47 00:03:05,550 --> 00:03:11,220 So this is not stockholders, this is the company and reinvesting its profits, they can reinvest those 48 00:03:11,220 --> 00:03:11,640 profits. 49 00:03:11,640 --> 00:03:13,380 They could pay the profits out of the dividend. 50 00:03:13,620 --> 00:03:18,960 They could, you know, use profits to reduce their debt, or they can reinvest in things like research 51 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,730 and development the other way they're looking at ways. 52 00:03:21,300 --> 00:03:24,450 What is the percentage return for that money they made and the reinvestment? 53 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:29,850 And it's really also measures how efficiently is the company using investment in it to generate income? 54 00:03:30,150 --> 00:03:34,440 So think of, as you know, we're investors, you know, so we're providing them with investment income, 55 00:03:34,620 --> 00:03:36,900 you know, as far as the original stock offerings and stuff. 56 00:03:37,290 --> 00:03:43,410 And but from their profits, how efficiently are using that money and how much return are they generate? 57 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:44,620 How profitable are they doing? 58 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:49,740 So that's kind of what is ROIC to think of it as a ratio that's looking at efficiency, profitability 59 00:03:49,740 --> 00:03:51,780 and how well they're using the money that they generate. 60 00:03:52,650 --> 00:03:56,760 So how do you calculate this, you know, and you can know when you look up stocks, there's ways file 61 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,210 on Morningstar Yahoo, you can find ROIC or return on investment capital. 62 00:04:00,210 --> 00:04:04,140 You can compare against other companies with an industry and even a company. 63 00:04:04,140 --> 00:04:08,610 Let's say that's really gone down, and a stock price might be still doing a great job as far as investing, 64 00:04:08,610 --> 00:04:14,100 and that might be a company ready to rebound because they're got a good return on invested capital. 65 00:04:14,540 --> 00:04:18,420 So how the ratio is really calculated, you can look at and basically look at net income, the money 66 00:04:18,420 --> 00:04:23,250 coming in, you know, divide by what they have for capital. 67 00:04:23,850 --> 00:04:26,340 Which capital is, you know, is debt and equity, right? 68 00:04:26,340 --> 00:04:28,050 That's how you capitalize. 69 00:04:28,050 --> 00:04:32,940 The business that you've taken on money in equity is like stockholder equity, your money that's been 70 00:04:32,940 --> 00:04:38,460 invested in the company, that's there and they're using that net income to add to their capital, basically. 71 00:04:38,460 --> 00:04:39,360 And how are they using that? 72 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:45,330 And truly, the way to calculate that, too, is you can take net income less the dividends, because 73 00:04:45,330 --> 00:04:48,360 remember, dividends are a payout back out to stockholders. 74 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:53,760 So you know that net income is reduced by the amount of dividend payout in income as the money I've 75 00:04:53,850 --> 00:04:54,240 made. 76 00:04:54,510 --> 00:04:58,050 But I'm going to take a portion of it and give it to our stockholders, thanking them for being a stockholder. 77 00:04:58,080 --> 00:04:58,530 Here you go. 78 00:04:58,540 --> 00:05:00,840 Here's some money for you, usually on a quarterly basis. 79 00:05:01,170 --> 00:05:06,390 And now we're going to use that, that that number as far as net income divided by our debt versus our 80 00:05:06,390 --> 00:05:07,590 existing debt and equity. 81 00:05:08,550 --> 00:05:09,660 As one way to do this, actually. 82 00:05:09,990 --> 00:05:11,190 You know, a couple of different ways to do it. 83 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:16,560 One is using, you know, a no pad, which was the return on invested capital using net operating profit 84 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,970 after tax or no pad and divided by invested capital or equity. 85 00:05:20,970 --> 00:05:22,230 How much has been invested here? 86 00:05:22,530 --> 00:05:30,120 So really looking at profits, but also factoring out taxes so that we're reducing as it is a different 87 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,430 number looking at after taxes? 88 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,210 So that's another way to calculate or kind of get into the same thing, same idea. 89 00:05:36,420 --> 00:05:38,490 Just another way, a different way to calculate it. 90 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,780 And then here is you in a different way to look at it. 91 00:05:41,790 --> 00:05:45,900 We're looking at ROIC looking at that operating income, how much we're generating, you know, with 92 00:05:45,900 --> 00:05:47,940 the factor one minus the tax rate. 93 00:05:48,150 --> 00:05:53,370 Basically, you're trying to factor out, you know, having a factor for tax rate in there and you're 94 00:05:53,370 --> 00:05:57,990 looking at the book value of with the capital, what is the book value of the company and what's it 95 00:05:57,990 --> 00:06:04,710 worth, you know, from an investor capital standpoint and book value consideration, the argument around 96 00:06:04,710 --> 00:06:09,510 this is that we'll probably was better than market value was incorporating future growth consideration 97 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,360 with markets being generally being more forward looking. 98 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:17,640 So the book value, you're looking at what is really our state today, we're actually as investors, 99 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,180 we want to look at things like market value, what is the future earnings and growth? 100 00:06:21,390 --> 00:06:22,770 We want to look at that. 101 00:06:22,980 --> 00:06:26,430 But if we're evaluating the existing management team when they're existing, what they're doing right 102 00:06:26,430 --> 00:06:31,020 now with invested capital, you know, how they're investing, that operating income, for example, 103 00:06:31,290 --> 00:06:37,530 you know, comparing to book value is a better measure, a more fair, more conservative measure, actually 104 00:06:37,530 --> 00:06:39,900 than looking at market value. 105 00:06:40,500 --> 00:06:45,480 So there you have, you know, different ways of calculating return on invested capital. 106 00:06:46,290 --> 00:06:51,420 But if you go back to that quote there again from, you know, Charlie Munger and the idea is the big 107 00:06:51,420 --> 00:06:56,940 idea and how you Kalka, you're going to get kind of the same area the same way as how is the management 108 00:06:56,940 --> 00:07:00,240 team doing, investing the money that they've made from their profits. 109 00:07:00,570 --> 00:07:01,920 And then we can compare that. 110 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:07,550 So companies have good ROIC, you'll have better future prospects than maybe those who didn't. 111 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:13,590 Who's the folks who are taking their EIPA type product, investing that to come up with the new iPhone, 112 00:07:13,590 --> 00:07:14,490 for example? 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