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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:02,532 (soft mysterious music) 2 00:00:02,533 --> 00:00:03,799 - [Mahmoud] It's been a hundred years 3 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:07,299 since the discovery of King Tutankhamun's tomb, 4 00:00:07,300 --> 00:00:09,665 the boy king who lived and died at one 5 00:00:09,666 --> 00:00:12,866 of the most revolutionary times in Ancient Egyptian history. 6 00:00:15,033 --> 00:00:19,200 - King Tutankhamun ruled Egypt from 1332 to 1323 BC. 7 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,365 I'm Dr. Yasmin El Shazly I'm an Egyptologist. 8 00:00:26,366 --> 00:00:28,032 - [Mahmoud] I'm Mahmoud Rashad. 9 00:00:28,033 --> 00:00:30,999 I'm a filmmaker and an independent Egyptologist. 10 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,899 - As an Egyptian Egyptologist, 11 00:00:32,900 --> 00:00:35,999 it is very important for me to give Tutankhamun 12 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,432 back his voice by exploring 13 00:00:38,433 --> 00:00:39,913 all the different theories around him. 14 00:00:41,833 --> 00:00:43,499 - [Egyptologist] The whole Armana period 15 00:00:43,500 --> 00:00:48,000 is attracting people because it is the period of Akhenaten. 16 00:00:49,233 --> 00:00:50,900 He said, There is no God but this God. 17 00:00:52,100 --> 00:00:53,599 - [Egyptologist] It's a great revolution. 18 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,132 He must have been extremely courageous to do this. 19 00:00:57,133 --> 00:00:59,565 - You can't change people's beliefs... 20 00:00:59,566 --> 00:01:00,433 - And faith overnight. 21 00:01:00,434 --> 00:01:01,665 - Overnight. 22 00:01:01,666 --> 00:01:03,799 Rashad and I are on a journey to find out 23 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,432 who the boy behind the mask was. 24 00:01:06,433 --> 00:01:08,965 Who were his allies and who were his enemies? 25 00:01:08,966 --> 00:01:10,299 - Was he murdered? 26 00:01:10,300 --> 00:01:11,999 Did he die in an accident? 27 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,565 So many unanswered questions. 28 00:01:14,566 --> 00:01:19,099 - I really believe Nefertiti, she could be his enemy. 29 00:01:19,100 --> 00:01:20,499 - [Mahmoud] We learned about his family 30 00:01:20,500 --> 00:01:22,165 in the first part of our journey, 31 00:01:22,166 --> 00:01:23,632 now we're going to find out more 32 00:01:23,633 --> 00:01:26,066 about how and why he died so young. 33 00:01:27,566 --> 00:01:31,399 - All theories before that Tutankhamun was murdered, 34 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,999 it's an accident happened to him two days before he died. 35 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,432 - Tutankhamun had many people advising him. 36 00:01:38,433 --> 00:01:40,932 We don't really know the whole court, 37 00:01:40,933 --> 00:01:44,632 but we all do know two names, Ay and Horemheb. 38 00:01:44,633 --> 00:01:47,499 - Some people look at Ay as a villain, 39 00:01:47,500 --> 00:01:49,832 but I'm not sure of that. 40 00:01:49,833 --> 00:01:53,965 - We are bringing back the face of Tutankhamun 41 00:01:53,966 --> 00:01:57,332 and making a facial reconstruction 42 00:01:57,333 --> 00:02:00,365 based on scientific measures. 43 00:02:00,366 --> 00:02:01,865 - I really want King Tut to come to life 44 00:02:01,866 --> 00:02:04,965 and create the most definitive look 45 00:02:04,966 --> 00:02:08,565 of one of the most famous kings of all time. (exhales) 46 00:02:08,566 --> 00:02:12,565 - I like to look at the eyes of the golden mask 47 00:02:12,566 --> 00:02:16,799 and this mask reflects for me the drama of his life. 48 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,565 At the same time, his yearning 49 00:02:19,566 --> 00:02:22,499 with this young face for eternity. 50 00:02:22,500 --> 00:02:24,199 - Are you ready? - Okay. Yes. 51 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:25,499 - Ready? - Yes! 52 00:02:25,500 --> 00:02:27,132 (dramatic music) 53 00:02:27,133 --> 00:02:28,532 Oh my God. 54 00:02:28,533 --> 00:02:32,300 (dramatic music continues) 55 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:33,800 Tutankhamun: 56 00:02:33,801 --> 00:02:34,832 Allies & Enemies 57 00:02:34,833 --> 00:02:36,499 was made possible in part by 58 00:02:36,500 --> 00:02:38,499 contributions to your PBS station 59 00:02:38,500 --> 00:02:39,899 from viewers like you. 60 00:02:39,900 --> 00:02:41,533 Thank you. 61 00:02:44,066 --> 00:02:49,066 (waves lapping) (soft ominous music) 62 00:02:52,066 --> 00:02:53,532 - [Mahmoud] Have you been here before? 63 00:02:53,533 --> 00:02:54,799 - Never. - Never? 64 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,565 - Never. - This is my second time here. 65 00:02:57,566 --> 00:02:59,099 This is Carter's house. 66 00:02:59,100 --> 00:03:02,132 This is where he lived while he was excavating 67 00:03:02,133 --> 00:03:03,799 for King Tut's tomb. 68 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,132 Can you just imagine the conversations that were happening 69 00:03:06,133 --> 00:03:09,033 in this house while they were searching for him? 70 00:03:10,433 --> 00:03:12,999 - [Yasmin] Howard Carter was a British Egyptologist 71 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,165 who discovered King Tutankhamun's tomb 72 00:03:15,166 --> 00:03:18,033 in the Valley of the Kings on the West Bank of the Nile. 73 00:03:19,266 --> 00:03:21,999 His dig was financed by Lord Carnarvon 74 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:23,720 and had been going on for almost five years. 75 00:03:26,033 --> 00:03:28,299 - The bit that I like the most about his story 76 00:03:28,300 --> 00:03:30,266 is his obsession with King Tut. 77 00:03:31,166 --> 00:03:33,799 I have so much respect for him. 78 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,532 He loved Tutankhamun, he wanted to find him, 79 00:03:37,533 --> 00:03:41,699 and he showed him the respect he deserved. 80 00:03:41,700 --> 00:03:46,032 In 1922, Lord Carnarvon wanted to cancel the excavations, 81 00:03:46,033 --> 00:03:49,832 and then Howard Carter begged him for one last season, 82 00:03:49,833 --> 00:03:52,199 and that's when they found the tomb. 83 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:53,665 - Exactly. - They found 84 00:03:53,666 --> 00:03:57,199 these little steps and just think about that minute 85 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,632 when he dug that hole in the wall 86 00:03:59,633 --> 00:04:02,665 and Lord Carnarvon asked him, "What can you see?" 87 00:04:02,666 --> 00:04:03,533 and he said- 88 00:04:03,534 --> 00:04:04,574 - [Both] Wonderful things. 89 00:04:05,566 --> 00:04:10,500 (tense music) (engine whirring) 90 00:04:24,500 --> 00:04:27,699 - I'm in the city of Abydos in Southern Egypt 91 00:04:27,700 --> 00:04:31,065 meeting Dr. Sameh Iskander at his dig site, 92 00:04:31,066 --> 00:04:32,532 which is dedicated 93 00:04:32,533 --> 00:04:34,766 to the Ancient Egyptian god of the underworld, Osiris. 94 00:04:37,100 --> 00:04:39,765 They found evidence here that within a couple of generations 95 00:04:39,766 --> 00:04:43,399 after Tutankhamun's death, all the gods were back, 96 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,600 and Akhenaten's religious revolution was overturned. 97 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,700 (both speaking in foreign language) 98 00:04:54,733 --> 00:04:58,365 - I'm Sameh Iskander, Egyptologist, 99 00:04:58,366 --> 00:05:02,332 affiliate research associate at New York University, 100 00:05:02,333 --> 00:05:06,100 currently working on the temple of Ramses II in Abydos. 101 00:05:07,300 --> 00:05:10,399 Abydos is the domain of the God Osiris. 102 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:11,799 - Yes. 103 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,099 - Probably the most popular god in Ancient Egypt. 104 00:05:14,100 --> 00:05:16,966 The god of the afterlife. 105 00:05:18,333 --> 00:05:22,900 'Cause Abydos was very important site in Ancient Egypt 106 00:05:24,300 --> 00:05:27,933 and still is a very important site in Egypt now. 107 00:05:29,100 --> 00:05:30,965 It was a site of pilgrimage. 108 00:05:30,966 --> 00:05:34,232 Every Ancient Egyptian person dreamed 109 00:05:34,233 --> 00:05:37,999 that he would be able to come to the site 110 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,633 and pay his or her respect to Osiris. 111 00:05:44,233 --> 00:05:48,632 100 years after the discovery of the tomb of Tutankhamun, 112 00:05:48,633 --> 00:05:52,499 people believe this is a chance for Tutankhamun 113 00:05:52,500 --> 00:05:56,066 to give his story, but does it? 114 00:05:57,333 --> 00:06:01,832 His tomb or his money or the objects in his tomb 115 00:06:01,833 --> 00:06:05,332 are giving us what he really thought, 116 00:06:05,333 --> 00:06:07,499 what he really wanted to say, 117 00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:10,700 or is it us that actually imposing it on him? 118 00:06:12,633 --> 00:06:16,799 Here, I wanna show you here a very, very important scene 119 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,899 right here on this wall that gives an idea of, you know, 120 00:06:20,900 --> 00:06:23,965 the energy in the temple and what was happening. 121 00:06:23,966 --> 00:06:25,565 - [Yasmin] It does. It looks impressive so far. 122 00:06:25,566 --> 00:06:26,665 - It is an impressive 123 00:06:26,666 --> 00:06:29,700 and it's a sort of a unique scene in Abydos. 124 00:06:31,300 --> 00:06:36,033 Here is the symbol of Osiris being carried by 24 priests 125 00:06:37,666 --> 00:06:41,632 after a procession outside for a certain feast, 126 00:06:41,633 --> 00:06:45,632 and supposedly the head of Osiris is buried there. 127 00:06:45,633 --> 00:06:47,465 - [Yasmin] Which is why Abydos is so sacred 128 00:06:47,466 --> 00:06:49,532 because they believe the head of Osiris 129 00:06:49,533 --> 00:06:50,565 is buried there. - Is buried here. 130 00:06:50,566 --> 00:06:51,999 - Yeah. - Yes. 131 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,199 So we are here in the sort of the sacred part of the temple. 132 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,199 But there's a lot was happening outside. 133 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:58,033 Let's go and see. 134 00:06:58,034 --> 00:06:59,632 I'll show you. - Yes. 135 00:06:59,633 --> 00:07:02,299 (somber music) 136 00:07:02,300 --> 00:07:05,565 - [Sameh] This is where the action takes place, 137 00:07:05,566 --> 00:07:09,699 the activities of the temple 138 00:07:09,700 --> 00:07:10,932 of the cult. - Oh my God. 139 00:07:10,933 --> 00:07:12,632 This is unbelievable. 140 00:07:12,633 --> 00:07:15,932 - [Sameh] We found over 2,000 mummies of rams. 141 00:07:15,933 --> 00:07:18,432 - [Yasmin] Wow, that's incredible. 142 00:07:18,433 --> 00:07:20,632 - [Sameh] We keep finding new ones. 143 00:07:20,633 --> 00:07:23,632 - [Yasmin] The rams were part of ritual animal sacrifice 144 00:07:23,633 --> 00:07:26,099 to the Ancient Egyptian gods. 145 00:07:26,100 --> 00:07:27,932 Under Tutankhamun's father, 146 00:07:27,933 --> 00:07:29,932 this would not have been allowed. 147 00:07:29,933 --> 00:07:33,932 This is more proof the old religion was back in full force. 148 00:07:33,933 --> 00:07:38,799 - The idea of Akhenaten is long gone, 149 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,132 it's not there anymore. 150 00:07:41,133 --> 00:07:44,065 As a matter of fact, there's another temple of Ramses 151 00:07:44,066 --> 00:07:49,066 in here about maybe a kilometer or less, 152 00:07:50,300 --> 00:07:53,965 and there are several fragments from Amarna, 153 00:07:53,966 --> 00:07:58,599 that they're found as part of the foundation, as fillers. 154 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,432 And this helps your research. 155 00:08:00,433 --> 00:08:01,799 - Definitely. - Just in a graphic way. 156 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:02,932 - Yes. 157 00:08:02,933 --> 00:08:03,866 - This piece was divine and now it's just, 158 00:08:03,867 --> 00:08:06,599 it's the foundation. - Hidden. 159 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,465 - The filler. - And useless. 160 00:08:08,466 --> 00:08:09,832 - Yeah. Yeah. - Useless. 161 00:08:09,833 --> 00:08:12,699 - [Sameh] And this summarizes the restoration 162 00:08:12,700 --> 00:08:16,866 of the religion from Aten to Amun that King Tut started. 163 00:08:18,866 --> 00:08:20,799 But you know, there's more. 164 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,265 Let's go to the temple city and I'll show you 165 00:08:23,266 --> 00:08:25,366 the situation of the religion. 166 00:08:26,666 --> 00:08:27,999 (gentle music) 167 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,499 - What Tutankhamun did was return to the old status quo, 168 00:08:31,500 --> 00:08:33,032 which means that all the temples throughout Egypt, 169 00:08:33,033 --> 00:08:36,499 Amun and otherwise, were all functioning. 170 00:08:36,500 --> 00:08:41,500 All of this really brought back a sense of unity and ease 171 00:08:42,766 --> 00:08:44,932 for the Egyptians because it was very weird 172 00:08:44,933 --> 00:08:47,532 for them probably after 2,000 years 173 00:08:47,533 --> 00:08:50,366 to have their whole world view changed. 174 00:08:52,666 --> 00:08:55,599 - Before going to the temple of Seti I, 175 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,965 Dr. Sameh invited me for breakfast 176 00:08:57,966 --> 00:09:01,032 with his Egyptian coworkers. 177 00:09:01,033 --> 00:09:03,499 (Yasmin speaking in foreign language) 178 00:09:03,500 --> 00:09:08,266 (researcher speaking in foreign language) 179 00:09:17,933 --> 00:09:22,433 (Sameh speaking in foreign language) 180 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:26,699 (group laughs) 181 00:09:26,700 --> 00:09:27,899 (Yasmin speaking in foreign language) 182 00:09:27,900 --> 00:09:28,932 (foreman speaking in foreign language) 183 00:09:28,933 --> 00:09:30,199 (group laughs) 184 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:31,499 (Yasmin speaking in foreign language) 185 00:09:31,500 --> 00:09:32,899 (foreman speaking in foreign language) 186 00:09:32,900 --> 00:09:35,833 (group chuckles) 187 00:09:39,033 --> 00:09:40,899 - [Yasmin] It's such a beautiful temple. 188 00:09:40,900 --> 00:09:42,099 - [Sameh] Oh it's incredible temple. 189 00:09:42,100 --> 00:09:43,332 It's very special. 190 00:09:43,333 --> 00:09:44,832 - [Yasmin] Yes. 191 00:09:44,833 --> 00:09:47,033 - I find it one of the most beautiful temples in Egypt. 192 00:09:49,266 --> 00:09:54,100 This temple was built about 40 years after King Tut. 193 00:09:55,566 --> 00:09:58,532 This temple is a culmination of King Tut's attempt 194 00:09:58,533 --> 00:10:01,332 to restore the religion. 195 00:10:01,333 --> 00:10:03,000 (gentle music) 196 00:10:06,066 --> 00:10:08,432 (Yasmin speaking in foreign language) 197 00:10:08,433 --> 00:10:12,000 (Sameh speaking in foreign language) 198 00:10:19,733 --> 00:10:22,232 - Dr. Sameh, you said that this is the culmination 199 00:10:22,233 --> 00:10:24,600 of Tutankhamun's restoration? 200 00:10:25,700 --> 00:10:27,999 - Yes, when you think about it, 201 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,765 when King Tut and his entourage started the process 202 00:10:31,766 --> 00:10:34,899 of restoration, it took a while. 203 00:10:34,900 --> 00:10:37,232 - But was it his decision really? 204 00:10:37,233 --> 00:10:40,532 How involved was he in the process? 205 00:10:40,533 --> 00:10:43,165 - Obviously he was not involved because he was a kid. 206 00:10:43,166 --> 00:10:44,265 - Yes. - He was young. 207 00:10:44,266 --> 00:10:45,266 - Yes. 208 00:10:45,267 --> 00:10:46,599 - [Sameh] So, I would say 209 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,566 this was a movement by the priesthood. 210 00:10:50,533 --> 00:10:51,999 (singer vocalizing) 211 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,160 - In Ancient Egypt, religion has always been political. 212 00:10:56,433 --> 00:11:01,400 When the king is a god, then it is always going 213 00:11:02,900 --> 00:11:04,832 to have a complete mixture of sacred and secular. 214 00:11:04,833 --> 00:11:07,965 And this had been going on in Egypt since the dawn of time. 215 00:11:07,966 --> 00:11:11,299 So, what you do with it, how you manipulate it, 216 00:11:11,300 --> 00:11:14,332 changes varying on who the king is, 217 00:11:14,333 --> 00:11:16,132 what role the temples are playing, 218 00:11:16,133 --> 00:11:18,166 and what the general milieux is at that moment. 219 00:11:20,433 --> 00:11:24,132 - You know, Seti built this temple for six gods. 220 00:11:24,133 --> 00:11:29,133 You see Ibis, Osiris, Anubis, that over there. 221 00:11:30,300 --> 00:11:31,300 Tut would have loved to see this. 222 00:11:31,301 --> 00:11:32,932 - Yes, all the gods are all there. 223 00:11:32,933 --> 00:11:34,165 - All the gods. Everything. 224 00:11:34,166 --> 00:11:34,966 All the gods are bad. 225 00:11:34,967 --> 00:11:36,899 This is what he wanted. 226 00:11:36,900 --> 00:11:39,765 Only 30, 40 years after his time. 227 00:11:39,766 --> 00:11:42,165 (mysterious music) 228 00:11:42,166 --> 00:11:45,732 - Seti I began a new dynasty, the Nineteenth, 229 00:11:45,733 --> 00:11:48,399 and would usher in a new era after the disorder 230 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,799 of Akhenaten and the end of the Eighteenth Dynasty. 231 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:55,766 (mysterious music continues) 232 00:12:01,066 --> 00:12:04,665 I just arrived to Abydos to the temple of King Seti I 233 00:12:04,666 --> 00:12:06,332 to meet up with Dr. Yasmin. 234 00:12:06,333 --> 00:12:08,365 In here, we have the first clue 235 00:12:08,366 --> 00:12:10,466 to the second half of King Tut's story. 236 00:12:12,866 --> 00:12:14,999 Throughout our journey, Yasmin and I have built 237 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,999 a very intimate relationship with Tutankhamun. 238 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,165 Sometimes we feel sympathetic of a boy 239 00:12:19,166 --> 00:12:21,832 in the middle of a power struggle, 240 00:12:21,833 --> 00:12:24,665 and sometimes we're suspicious of people around him 241 00:12:24,666 --> 00:12:26,733 and how his life was cut so short. 242 00:12:29,900 --> 00:12:32,665 So, the whole temple really is one of my favorites in Egypt, 243 00:12:32,666 --> 00:12:36,032 but this room holds a very special place in my heart. 244 00:12:36,033 --> 00:12:39,632 This is the whole of the ancestors in Seti I's temple. 245 00:12:39,633 --> 00:12:43,199 And here we see Seti I with his son, Ramses II, 246 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,399 and they're reciting all of the names 247 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,699 of Egypt's previous kings. 248 00:12:47,700 --> 00:12:49,899 - [Yasmin] Yes, they're trying to associate themselves 249 00:12:49,900 --> 00:12:52,165 with them as their descendants. 250 00:12:52,166 --> 00:12:55,999 - I can just imagine both of them here burning incense. 251 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,799 Ramses has the papyrus in his hand reading the, 252 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,632 reciting the invocation in it, 253 00:13:00,633 --> 00:13:03,032 and then they recite each and every name 254 00:13:03,033 --> 00:13:05,265 of each and every king. 255 00:13:05,266 --> 00:13:06,565 Where is Tut? 256 00:13:06,566 --> 00:13:07,932 - [Yasmin] Where is Tut and where is Akhenaten? 257 00:13:07,933 --> 00:13:09,099 - And where's Nefertiti? 258 00:13:09,100 --> 00:13:10,066 - Yes. 259 00:13:10,067 --> 00:13:11,099 - And where's Ay? 260 00:13:11,100 --> 00:13:12,265 - Exactly. 261 00:13:12,266 --> 00:13:14,465 - All the heroes of our story are not here. 262 00:13:14,466 --> 00:13:15,765 - Yes. 263 00:13:15,766 --> 00:13:17,065 - They want to pretend they never existed, 264 00:13:17,066 --> 00:13:19,465 they were never here, they never ruled Egypt. 265 00:13:19,466 --> 00:13:20,799 They are not one of them. 266 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,766 - Yeah, they were removed from history. 267 00:13:23,933 --> 00:13:25,232 It is unfortunate that Tutankhamun's name 268 00:13:25,233 --> 00:13:28,565 does not appear in this king list, 269 00:13:28,566 --> 00:13:31,365 and the fact that Ay's name, too, isn't there 270 00:13:31,366 --> 00:13:34,532 makes us wonder if Horemheb was responsible 271 00:13:34,533 --> 00:13:36,532 for these omissions. 272 00:13:36,533 --> 00:13:39,232 This would make him the villain of the story, 273 00:13:39,233 --> 00:13:41,865 even though so far Ay seems to be 274 00:13:41,866 --> 00:13:44,399 the apparent conniving character. 275 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,765 All these points make me want to explore 276 00:13:46,766 --> 00:13:51,766 how Tutankhamun died and what happens next in this story. 277 00:13:52,966 --> 00:13:56,800 (traffic whirring) (horns honking) 278 00:13:58,066 --> 00:14:01,265 (Yasmin speaking in foreign language) 279 00:14:01,266 --> 00:14:03,700 Driving in Cairo is an adventure. 280 00:14:04,866 --> 00:14:07,199 You have to have very good reflexes. 281 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,100 Anything can happen anytime. 282 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:17,032 - I am going to meet Dr. Salima Ikram who will talk to me 283 00:14:17,033 --> 00:14:21,032 about Tutankhamun's death and mummification. 284 00:14:21,033 --> 00:14:24,199 (gentle music) 285 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,032 - [Salima] So, Yasmin, I was going to make some coffee. 286 00:14:26,033 --> 00:14:26,966 Would you like some? 287 00:14:26,966 --> 00:14:27,966 - Yes, please. 288 00:14:30,100 --> 00:14:32,365 - My name is Salima Ikram and I am an Egyptologist 289 00:14:32,366 --> 00:14:35,699 at the American University in Cairo 290 00:14:35,700 --> 00:14:38,200 where I am a distinguished university professor. 291 00:14:39,366 --> 00:14:41,332 - [Yasmin] I've been moving around. 292 00:14:41,333 --> 00:14:42,499 I'm talking to different people- 293 00:14:42,500 --> 00:14:44,699 - Yes. - About the different theories 294 00:14:44,700 --> 00:14:48,665 regarding Tutankhamun, and there seems to have been 295 00:14:48,666 --> 00:14:50,965 a lot going on in the background. 296 00:14:50,966 --> 00:14:52,433 - Oh yeah. - At his death. 297 00:14:53,300 --> 00:14:55,332 - [Yasmin] What do you think? 298 00:14:55,333 --> 00:14:56,765 - I wish I knew. 299 00:14:56,766 --> 00:14:59,332 Very hard to tell. (chuckles) 300 00:14:59,333 --> 00:15:02,599 But no, I mean there must have been such chaos in a way. 301 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,565 They didn't expect him to die, one imagines, 302 00:15:05,566 --> 00:15:09,165 unless he was killed, and then poof. 303 00:15:09,166 --> 00:15:10,499 - [Yasmin] Everything's gone. 304 00:15:10,500 --> 00:15:13,399 - Everything's gone and then we have Ay and Horemheb. 305 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:14,699 - [Yasmin] Yes, because Horemheb 306 00:15:14,700 --> 00:15:16,332 was supposed to be his successor. 307 00:15:16,333 --> 00:15:17,432 - I suppose maybe it was a gentleman's agreement. 308 00:15:17,433 --> 00:15:20,065 "Let's put Ay there for a little bit. 309 00:15:20,066 --> 00:15:21,500 He's going to die anyway." 310 00:15:22,666 --> 00:15:25,532 Ay was a relative of Tutankhamun, much older, 311 00:15:25,533 --> 00:15:27,399 sort of grandfather, great grandfather kind of thing, 312 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,399 while Horemheb was a military commander. 313 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:34,032 Probably they expected him to have a successor, 314 00:15:34,033 --> 00:15:35,265 but he didn't. 315 00:15:35,266 --> 00:15:36,932 That's when it got interesting 316 00:15:36,933 --> 00:15:39,099 and then you wind up with Ay and Horemheb 317 00:15:39,100 --> 00:15:41,399 maybe jockeying for position. 318 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:45,432 - What's your theory about Tutankhamun's reign? 319 00:15:45,433 --> 00:15:48,265 - Well, I mean, I think that there's so little evidence 320 00:15:48,266 --> 00:15:50,565 that we can make up whatever we want 321 00:15:50,566 --> 00:15:52,332 about that poor boy's reign. 322 00:15:52,333 --> 00:15:56,732 Then people always talk about how he was a sickly creature. 323 00:15:56,733 --> 00:15:58,032 But I don't think so. 324 00:15:58,033 --> 00:15:59,432 - [Yasmin] You don't think so? 325 00:15:59,433 --> 00:16:01,132 - No, I don't. - Okay, why? 326 00:16:01,133 --> 00:16:03,099 - So he has all those sticks in his tomb and everyone says, 327 00:16:03,100 --> 00:16:05,599 "Oh my God, he couldn't walk." 328 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,232 But generally you have sticks in your tomb 329 00:16:08,233 --> 00:16:10,665 no matter who you are because it's a mark of office. 330 00:16:10,666 --> 00:16:12,265 Now, having studied the sticks, 331 00:16:12,266 --> 00:16:15,132 you look at the base to see if there's any wear, 332 00:16:15,133 --> 00:16:16,599 and it's minimal. 333 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:21,333 Plus, he also had, in addition to all the gold stuff, 334 00:16:22,833 --> 00:16:25,265 he had a suit of armor that was made out of leather, 335 00:16:25,266 --> 00:16:26,332 which was a real suit of armor. 336 00:16:26,333 --> 00:16:29,499 - [Yasmin] So he probably went to battle. 337 00:16:29,500 --> 00:16:32,932 - He probably went to battle because he has all the weapons. 338 00:16:32,933 --> 00:16:36,932 Why would he have all that armor in his tomb? 339 00:16:36,933 --> 00:16:39,132 It doesn't make sense, you would just have this state- 340 00:16:39,133 --> 00:16:42,265 - Maybe he wanted to be resurrected as a warrior. 341 00:16:42,266 --> 00:16:43,565 - [Salima] Well I think he wanted- 342 00:16:43,566 --> 00:16:45,499 - He wanted to go to battle in the afterlife. 343 00:16:45,500 --> 00:16:48,265 - Well, I mean a king had to go to battle in the afterlife. 344 00:16:48,266 --> 00:16:49,100 - [Yasmin] Yes, of course. 345 00:16:49,101 --> 00:16:50,899 - That is what they did. 346 00:16:50,900 --> 00:16:52,165 Milk? 347 00:16:52,166 --> 00:16:53,299 - [Yasmin] Yes, please. No sugar. 348 00:16:53,300 --> 00:16:56,633 - [Salima] Okay. You may have no sugar. 349 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,499 I find it's very espresso. 350 00:16:59,500 --> 00:17:00,733 Darling, that way. 351 00:17:02,666 --> 00:17:06,500 Come on in and let's settle down here. 352 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,299 - About his health, what do you think of the results 353 00:17:11,300 --> 00:17:13,999 of, you know, the CT scans that have been done? 354 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,799 - People tend to think, oh it's science, it must be true. 355 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:21,832 Whereas scientists also differ and disagree and argue. 356 00:17:21,833 --> 00:17:25,065 But I mean right now, there are ideas 357 00:17:25,066 --> 00:17:30,066 that the leg was broken and that caused septicemia, 358 00:17:31,233 --> 00:17:32,465 which might have been one of the reasons 359 00:17:32,466 --> 00:17:33,999 for Tutankhamun's death. 360 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,299 - [Yasmin] What about the clubfoot that people talk about? 361 00:17:37,300 --> 00:17:40,665 - I myself am not a firm believer in the clubfoot. 362 00:17:40,666 --> 00:17:42,532 I have looked at his feet. 363 00:17:42,533 --> 00:17:44,332 So, I think it could also be a result 364 00:17:44,333 --> 00:17:46,233 of the way he was mummified. 365 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:52,199 People often over or underestimate things 366 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:56,365 because I have very bad knees and legs 367 00:17:56,366 --> 00:17:58,399 and I've had, you know, five different operations 368 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,365 and I'm still not properly functional. 369 00:18:00,366 --> 00:18:04,465 But I still climb up mountains, go down tomb shafts, 370 00:18:04,466 --> 00:18:08,599 wiggle into holes, and carry out my work as an Egyptologist, 371 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,132 where probably if you looked at my body you'd think, 372 00:18:11,133 --> 00:18:12,899 ooh, this person can't do anything 373 00:18:12,900 --> 00:18:15,599 because so many bits have been replaced 374 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,632 or are broken or are pinned together tenuously. 375 00:18:18,633 --> 00:18:21,599 So I think saying that Tutankhamun 376 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,932 couldn't do a lot of things is probably wrong. 377 00:18:24,933 --> 00:18:28,265 - [Yasmin] You don't see him as a tragic figure or do you? 378 00:18:28,266 --> 00:18:31,265 Having your father be seen as a heretic king 379 00:18:31,266 --> 00:18:35,799 and be erased from history and- 380 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,565 - [Salima] Well, I mean, on one hand- 381 00:18:38,566 --> 00:18:40,232 - [Yasmin] I know this is not very Egyptological. 382 00:18:40,233 --> 00:18:42,399 We're trying to empathize 383 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:43,400 with Tutankhamun. - But no, no, 384 00:18:43,401 --> 00:18:45,632 I think it is totally Egyptological. 385 00:18:45,633 --> 00:18:46,765 Why study the Ancient Egyptians 386 00:18:46,766 --> 00:18:49,399 if you don't think of them as people? 387 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,199 Because why on earth would I do Egyptology 388 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,065 if I did not love and feel passionately 389 00:18:56,066 --> 00:18:57,433 about the Ancient Egyptians? 390 00:18:58,966 --> 00:19:03,432 - [Yasmin] All kings started preparing for their death 391 00:19:03,433 --> 00:19:05,499 as soon as they ascended the throne. 392 00:19:05,500 --> 00:19:08,499 Tutankhamun would not have been any different. 393 00:19:08,500 --> 00:19:10,365 How do you think he prepared 394 00:19:10,366 --> 00:19:13,266 for his death and the afterlife? 395 00:19:14,633 --> 00:19:17,965 - I think that Tutankhamun did this in a very literal way. 396 00:19:17,966 --> 00:19:20,099 - Mm-hmm. Tell me about it. 397 00:19:20,100 --> 00:19:23,465 - [Yasmin] Because his mummy is very Osirian 398 00:19:23,466 --> 00:19:27,165 because it's completely covered with this black material. 399 00:19:27,166 --> 00:19:30,199 And that's not how other kings were mummified. 400 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,132 His mummification was different. 401 00:19:32,133 --> 00:19:34,499 - His mummification was very odd. 402 00:19:34,500 --> 00:19:37,000 That's the most peculiar thing about him, I think. 403 00:19:38,333 --> 00:19:41,299 - [Yasmin] It was so helpful to talk with Dr. Salima Ikram 404 00:19:41,300 --> 00:19:43,765 about the mysteries surrounding Tutankhamun's 405 00:19:43,766 --> 00:19:48,766 unusual mummification, and that Tut's mummy may hold clues 406 00:19:50,300 --> 00:19:52,420 to the battle for succession after his untimely death. 407 00:19:53,533 --> 00:19:54,665 - [Salima] Let me take the mug, sweetie. 408 00:19:54,666 --> 00:19:56,765 - Thank you. Bye-bye. 409 00:19:56,766 --> 00:19:58,765 - [Salima] Bye, thanks so much for coming. 410 00:19:58,766 --> 00:19:59,966 - [Yasmin] My pleasure. 411 00:20:01,333 --> 00:20:06,333 (gentle music) (traffic whirring) 412 00:20:17,666 --> 00:20:22,100 (both speaking in foreign language) 413 00:20:26,366 --> 00:20:27,932 - We are here 414 00:20:27,933 --> 00:20:29,999 at the National Museum of Egyptian Civilization. 415 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:35,000 It opened in April 2021 to host the royal mummies 416 00:20:37,100 --> 00:20:40,533 of the new kingdom, the family of Tutankhamun among them. 417 00:20:41,966 --> 00:20:43,699 My name is Sahar Saleem. 418 00:20:43,700 --> 00:20:45,699 I'm Professor of Radiology, 419 00:20:45,700 --> 00:20:48,532 Faculty of Medicine Cairo University. 420 00:20:48,533 --> 00:20:50,365 Let's go and have some coffee 421 00:20:50,366 --> 00:20:54,032 because I have some more CT scan images to show. 422 00:20:54,033 --> 00:20:55,665 - And I still have so many questions. 423 00:20:55,666 --> 00:20:59,165 - Okay, let's go. - So let's go. 424 00:20:59,166 --> 00:21:02,265 - [Sahar] I spent a lot of time with Tutankhamun. 425 00:21:02,266 --> 00:21:04,732 I took thousands of CT scan. 426 00:21:04,733 --> 00:21:08,866 This made Tutankhamun like a family to me. 427 00:21:10,066 --> 00:21:11,565 - [Mahmoud] Dr. Sahar, I think now we need 428 00:21:11,566 --> 00:21:15,665 to start discussing why did Tut die and how did he die? 429 00:21:15,666 --> 00:21:19,732 - Tutankhamun, there were a lot of theories, though, 430 00:21:19,733 --> 00:21:21,699 about the cause of death. 431 00:21:21,700 --> 00:21:24,499 And in this theory I will show you, 432 00:21:24,500 --> 00:21:27,732 there is a small bone fragment. 433 00:21:27,733 --> 00:21:30,265 That is attached to the- 434 00:21:30,266 --> 00:21:31,832 - To the resin. - The resin. 435 00:21:31,833 --> 00:21:36,099 And this resin that appeared as if it is a blood 436 00:21:36,100 --> 00:21:38,265 or dense material in the skull, 437 00:21:38,266 --> 00:21:40,932 the theory that Tutankhamun was murdered- 438 00:21:40,933 --> 00:21:42,332 - [Mahmoud] Murdered. 439 00:21:42,333 --> 00:21:46,832 - By a blow at the back of his head. 440 00:21:46,833 --> 00:21:49,699 This theory was actually totally refuted. 441 00:21:49,700 --> 00:21:53,865 There is no evidence of trauma to his skull. 442 00:21:53,866 --> 00:21:58,232 All these are related to either the mummification, 443 00:21:58,233 --> 00:21:59,599 which is not blood, or- 444 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:00,500 - [Mahmoud] The excavation. 445 00:22:00,501 --> 00:22:02,499 - The, yes. 446 00:22:02,500 --> 00:22:05,232 But when we want to know, okay, 447 00:22:05,233 --> 00:22:07,765 if this is not the cause, what was the cause? 448 00:22:07,766 --> 00:22:13,332 We found the one, the injury at the knee- 449 00:22:13,333 --> 00:22:14,333 - The kneecap. 450 00:22:14,334 --> 00:22:17,099 - You see here, this fracture, 451 00:22:17,100 --> 00:22:19,299 slipped inside it a dense material, 452 00:22:19,300 --> 00:22:21,399 which is the embalming material. 453 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:22,899 - [Mahmoud] Which means that the fracture was there 454 00:22:22,900 --> 00:22:24,665 before mummification 'cause there are no healing signs. 455 00:22:24,666 --> 00:22:25,965 - No healing signs. - Mm. 456 00:22:25,966 --> 00:22:28,465 - So this must have been inflicted 457 00:22:28,466 --> 00:22:33,333 just prior to death before the body was able to heal. 458 00:22:34,833 --> 00:22:39,833 This type of fracture could happen from falling down, 459 00:22:40,666 --> 00:22:42,732 from example, from the chariots. 460 00:22:42,733 --> 00:22:47,465 We know that Tutankhamun liked racing as as any teenager. 461 00:22:47,466 --> 00:22:48,765 So this bone- 462 00:22:48,766 --> 00:22:49,733 - [Mahmoud] But it must have been something 463 00:22:49,734 --> 00:22:52,965 very intense happened for the knee 464 00:22:52,966 --> 00:22:54,466 to be fractured like that. 465 00:22:55,766 --> 00:22:58,732 - Falling down from a high impact from racing 466 00:22:58,733 --> 00:23:03,532 and from the velocity of the chariot. 467 00:23:03,533 --> 00:23:07,065 But the point is this is not the cause of death. 468 00:23:07,066 --> 00:23:09,232 This fracture may have been complicated, 469 00:23:09,233 --> 00:23:10,865 for example, by infection. 470 00:23:10,866 --> 00:23:12,399 - Yeah. 471 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,965 - The DNA showed that a form of malaria was found 472 00:23:14,966 --> 00:23:17,465 inside the body of Tutankhamun that means 473 00:23:17,466 --> 00:23:19,832 that he was infected with malaria. 474 00:23:19,833 --> 00:23:22,732 His cause of death, although it's not very much clear, 475 00:23:22,733 --> 00:23:26,365 it could be a combination of different circumstances, 476 00:23:26,366 --> 00:23:30,733 health issues that Tutankhamun had suffered from. 477 00:23:31,966 --> 00:23:33,465 - Dr. Sahar, I know that you have a flight 478 00:23:33,466 --> 00:23:35,465 to catch to Canada to meet up with the artists 479 00:23:35,466 --> 00:23:37,165 working on Tut's bust. 480 00:23:37,166 --> 00:23:38,565 - Yeah, we are all working 481 00:23:38,566 --> 00:23:42,665 on the facial reconstruction of King Tutankhamun. 482 00:23:42,666 --> 00:23:43,500 - [Mahmoud] I really can't wait to see 483 00:23:43,501 --> 00:23:44,665 what you guys come up with. 484 00:23:44,666 --> 00:23:45,832 - Yeah. 485 00:23:45,833 --> 00:23:47,499 - Until then, I have to go catch up 486 00:23:47,500 --> 00:23:50,865 with Dr. Yasmin in Luxor, but thank you for everything. 487 00:23:50,866 --> 00:23:52,732 I have all the answers that I needed. 488 00:23:52,733 --> 00:23:55,565 - Okay. Thank you. - Thank you. Thank you. 489 00:23:55,566 --> 00:23:57,632 (gentle music) 490 00:23:57,633 --> 00:24:00,633 - I have team with Dr. Andrew Nelson, 491 00:24:02,233 --> 00:24:03,799 a Professor of Anthropology 492 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,932 at the University of Western Ontario, 493 00:24:05,933 --> 00:24:10,565 as well as Christian Corbet, a forensic artist. 494 00:24:10,566 --> 00:24:12,032 - Ready to go. 495 00:24:12,033 --> 00:24:14,632 Until next time, King Tut. - We are teaming up together 496 00:24:14,633 --> 00:24:19,432 in order to bring back Tutankhamun from the dead. 497 00:24:19,433 --> 00:24:20,932 - We'll see you with Christian. 498 00:24:20,933 --> 00:24:24,400 (gentle music continues) 499 00:24:34,966 --> 00:24:38,399 - I received an email from Dr. Andrew Nelson 500 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,565 and he had this incredible message that, 501 00:24:41,566 --> 00:24:42,965 "Are you interested in doing a new project?" 502 00:24:42,966 --> 00:24:46,599 and it's a major important individual. 503 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,365 And so, I was interested, and then the reply email was, 504 00:24:50,366 --> 00:24:53,232 "It's King Tut," and I was onboard. 505 00:24:53,233 --> 00:24:55,633 I'm Christian Corbet. I'm a sculptor. 506 00:24:57,300 --> 00:25:00,932 For anybody to think of King Tut having come here 507 00:25:00,933 --> 00:25:04,932 thousands of years later in his own magical way, 508 00:25:04,933 --> 00:25:09,799 is to me just an affirmation that miracles do happen. 509 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,832 Finally we meet, King Tut. 510 00:25:12,833 --> 00:25:14,999 So, I've been creating creative works of art 511 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,032 for over 26 years. 512 00:25:17,033 --> 00:25:20,365 This one is a fine example of His Royal Highness, 513 00:25:20,366 --> 00:25:23,165 the late Prince Philip, but for now, 514 00:25:23,166 --> 00:25:24,932 my heart and eyes are fully set 515 00:25:24,933 --> 00:25:29,299 on creating a forensic facial reconstruction of King Tut, 516 00:25:29,300 --> 00:25:33,032 where it'll go forensic first, then it'll go creative. 517 00:25:33,033 --> 00:25:35,766 (gentle music) 518 00:25:37,533 --> 00:25:40,499 And I'm gonna show you a few things with respect 519 00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:43,032 to what I do in order to create 520 00:25:43,033 --> 00:25:45,299 the forensic facial reconstruction. 521 00:25:45,300 --> 00:25:48,632 First step's going to be landing tissue markers. 522 00:25:48,633 --> 00:25:50,999 There are tissue marker charts that you use 523 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,365 in order to find out the measurements 524 00:25:53,366 --> 00:25:55,165 and where they're supposed to go, 525 00:25:55,166 --> 00:25:59,265 and then we slowly build up muscle by muscle. 526 00:25:59,266 --> 00:26:00,699 (tool clicking) 527 00:26:00,700 --> 00:26:03,366 (gentle music) 528 00:26:05,666 --> 00:26:07,099 (Christian exhales) 529 00:26:07,100 --> 00:26:08,599 The point of the camera is to take 530 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,533 as many pictures as possible of all the stages. 531 00:26:12,733 --> 00:26:15,199 So the next stage is finding the spots 532 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,332 where we are going to be placing tissue markers. 533 00:26:19,333 --> 00:26:21,732 (image clicking) 534 00:26:21,733 --> 00:26:23,699 Well, here we are a couple weeks 535 00:26:23,700 --> 00:26:27,399 into the forensic facial reconstruction of King Tutankhamun. 536 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,032 This is the very early stage. 537 00:26:29,033 --> 00:26:31,899 A lotta people think of King Tut 538 00:26:31,900 --> 00:26:34,565 as the sort of the golden mask image. 539 00:26:34,566 --> 00:26:37,732 And it's almost idealized with the bright colors 540 00:26:37,733 --> 00:26:39,265 and the perfect features. 541 00:26:39,266 --> 00:26:41,499 But here, we have something completely different. 542 00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:43,399 In the creating part of it is that, 543 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,065 how do I depict Tut after the forensic stage? 544 00:26:47,066 --> 00:26:49,265 Do I make him smile? Do I make him frown? 545 00:26:49,266 --> 00:26:51,599 Do I make him look worried, concerned? 546 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,899 I really want King Tut to come to life 547 00:26:53,900 --> 00:26:56,899 in a completely new and exciting way, 548 00:26:56,900 --> 00:26:59,832 and who knows, perhaps create maybe 549 00:26:59,833 --> 00:27:01,399 the most definitive look 550 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,132 of one of the most famous kings of all time. 551 00:27:04,133 --> 00:27:06,999 (camera clicks) 552 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,600 (tense music) 553 00:27:28,066 --> 00:27:31,832 - There are many question marks around Tutankhamun's tomb. 554 00:27:31,833 --> 00:27:35,132 Many scholars believe that it was not designed for him, 555 00:27:35,133 --> 00:27:38,565 that originally it was the tomb of Ay in the Western Valley 556 00:27:38,566 --> 00:27:41,632 that was intended for Tutankhamun, 557 00:27:41,633 --> 00:27:43,399 and that the tomb of Tutankhamun 558 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,633 was originally intended for Ay. 559 00:27:47,633 --> 00:27:50,632 Whether or not Tutankhamun's tomb was built for him 560 00:27:50,633 --> 00:27:54,432 or for Ay is important to scholars for several reasons. 561 00:27:54,433 --> 00:27:57,099 It's much smaller than most pharaohs' tombs, 562 00:27:57,100 --> 00:27:59,432 leading some to believe it must have been 563 00:27:59,433 --> 00:28:02,965 for a lesser official or even a queen. 564 00:28:02,966 --> 00:28:04,899 Some believe Ay made a power grab 565 00:28:04,900 --> 00:28:08,999 after Tut's untimely death by taking a much larger tomb 566 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,300 in the Valley of the Monkeys for himself. 567 00:28:13,500 --> 00:28:16,132 Some believe he wanted to associate himself 568 00:28:16,133 --> 00:28:19,199 with Tut's grandfather, Amenhotep III, 569 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,733 to take credit for the restoration of the religion. 570 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,465 I'm meeting Dr. Mostafa Waziri in Tutankhamun's tomb 571 00:28:27,466 --> 00:28:29,332 to ask him about his theory 572 00:28:29,333 --> 00:28:31,173 on whether or not this, too, was meant for Tut. 573 00:28:33,500 --> 00:28:35,965 We're in Tutankhamun's tomb, 574 00:28:35,966 --> 00:28:38,799 and I find this scene fascinating. 575 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,999 We see Ay performing 576 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,199 the Opening of the Mouth on Tutankhamun. 577 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,066 Have you ever seen a scene like this before or is it unique? 578 00:28:49,866 --> 00:28:52,000 - He died in unexpected way. 579 00:28:53,066 --> 00:28:57,132 So, who took over? Ay. 580 00:28:57,133 --> 00:29:00,299 At that time, he was a high priest 581 00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:02,099 and then he became the king. 582 00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:06,266 So now, he started this ritual Opening of the Mouth. 583 00:29:08,133 --> 00:29:10,865 - But that was to legitimize his own rule. 584 00:29:10,866 --> 00:29:12,265 - Yes. - Yes. 585 00:29:12,266 --> 00:29:13,599 (ominous music) 586 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,032 The Opening of the Mouth ceremony is a ritual 587 00:29:17,033 --> 00:29:20,932 in order to help the deceased breathe again 588 00:29:20,933 --> 00:29:23,733 and see again and be alive again in the afterlife. 589 00:29:24,966 --> 00:29:27,465 - The fact that Ay pictured himself in the tomb 590 00:29:27,466 --> 00:29:30,265 performing the duties of the Sem priest, 591 00:29:30,266 --> 00:29:33,199 who was supposed to do the Opening of the Mouth ceremony 592 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,899 for the king, he did it himself to make sure 593 00:29:34,900 --> 00:29:37,300 that he will inherit the throne. 594 00:29:38,533 --> 00:29:41,565 Ay had ambition and he was willing 595 00:29:41,566 --> 00:29:46,066 to step over anyone and anything to get more power. 596 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,065 - Some people they think that he was 597 00:29:50,066 --> 00:29:53,065 behind the death of Tutankhamun to take over 598 00:29:53,066 --> 00:29:54,599 and to be the king of Egypt. 599 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,066 He could have done it after one year, but no way. 600 00:29:59,133 --> 00:30:03,799 - It seems like it was very hastily decorated. 601 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,865 So do you think that Ay wanted to bury Tut quickly 602 00:30:07,866 --> 00:30:09,732 so that he can claim the throne? 603 00:30:09,733 --> 00:30:11,065 - The tomb was unfinished. 604 00:30:11,066 --> 00:30:13,632 So there is no hieroglyphic inscriptions here. 605 00:30:13,633 --> 00:30:14,965 It's only drawings. 606 00:30:14,966 --> 00:30:16,099 - [Yasmin] Which is much faster. 607 00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:17,732 - [Mostafa] Which is much faster. 608 00:30:17,733 --> 00:30:19,432 - [Yasmin] But why were they in a hurry? 609 00:30:19,433 --> 00:30:22,099 The king died and they needed to bury him. 610 00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:24,765 But why did they need to bury him in a hurry? 611 00:30:24,766 --> 00:30:25,799 - Most of the tombs in the Valley of the Kings, 612 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,632 most of them are unfinished. 613 00:30:27,633 --> 00:30:29,432 - Yes, very true. - So once the king die, 614 00:30:29,433 --> 00:30:31,565 and then they have to shut the tomb and that's it. 615 00:30:31,566 --> 00:30:34,899 - You think this tomb was made for Tutankhamun? 616 00:30:34,900 --> 00:30:38,232 - This tomb is the tomb of Tutankhamun from the beginning. 617 00:30:38,233 --> 00:30:41,599 - [Yasmin] I personally don't think so. 618 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,365 - Most of the people, they think that this, 619 00:30:43,366 --> 00:30:44,765 it was the tomb of Ay, 620 00:30:44,766 --> 00:30:47,065 and then after the death of the Tutankhamun, 621 00:30:47,066 --> 00:30:48,300 Ay decided to give it to him. 622 00:30:50,733 --> 00:30:51,733 No. 623 00:30:52,366 --> 00:30:55,033 (somber music) 624 00:30:57,100 --> 00:30:59,065 - After getting Dr. Waziri's thoughts 625 00:30:59,066 --> 00:31:01,265 on King Tut's tomb, Yasmin and I are meeting 626 00:31:01,266 --> 00:31:04,132 with Dr. Aidan Dodson to get his opinion 627 00:31:04,133 --> 00:31:07,465 on whether or not Ay usurped Tutankhamun's tomb 628 00:31:07,466 --> 00:31:10,100 to help us understand the battle for succession. 629 00:31:11,166 --> 00:31:14,299 - Dr. Dodson, the tomb of Tutankhamun, 630 00:31:14,300 --> 00:31:16,665 do you think it was made for him? 631 00:31:16,666 --> 00:31:19,799 Because many scholars believe that the tomb of Ay 632 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,865 was intended for Tutankhamun. 633 00:31:21,866 --> 00:31:24,765 - That's an idea I generally support. 634 00:31:24,766 --> 00:31:27,099 Certainly the tomb, which Tutankhamun was buried in, 635 00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:29,032 was not intended for a king originally. 636 00:31:29,033 --> 00:31:31,265 It had been taken over for that, 637 00:31:31,266 --> 00:31:35,365 but we think that there was one begun at Amarna for him. 638 00:31:35,366 --> 00:31:36,865 Of course, that was abandoned 639 00:31:36,866 --> 00:31:41,332 when the whole Amarna experiment was was terminated. 640 00:31:41,333 --> 00:31:44,699 And the tomb which Ay was buried in in the West Valley, 641 00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:46,299 it certainly fits for what one would expect 642 00:31:46,300 --> 00:31:48,866 Tutankhamun's original tomb to be. 643 00:31:50,166 --> 00:31:53,765 And that the simplest solution could be simply that Ay 644 00:31:53,766 --> 00:31:56,432 and Tutankhamun did a swap of tombs, 645 00:31:56,433 --> 00:31:59,265 that the tomb which Tutankhamun was actually buried in, 646 00:31:59,266 --> 00:32:02,399 was intended for Ay, and Ay decided he wanted 647 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,232 to have the royal tomb in West Valley, 648 00:32:05,233 --> 00:32:06,932 and they simply swapped over. 649 00:32:06,933 --> 00:32:10,332 And certainly the tomb which Tutankhamun was buried in, 650 00:32:10,333 --> 00:32:12,332 is very much of the sort you'd expect to find 651 00:32:12,333 --> 00:32:16,065 for a high status individual of that time. 652 00:32:16,066 --> 00:32:17,599 There are other options, 653 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,399 and one possibility could be that it was the place 654 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,232 where the mummy of (indistinct) and Nefertiti 655 00:32:23,233 --> 00:32:25,732 was originally put, and then she was simply removed 656 00:32:25,733 --> 00:32:27,899 from the tomb when it was decided 657 00:32:27,900 --> 00:32:30,065 this was needed for Tutankhamun. 658 00:32:30,066 --> 00:32:32,865 So, it clearly was somebody else's. 659 00:32:32,866 --> 00:32:36,199 We could debate until the cows come home whose it was, 660 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,065 but then this burial chamber was added and decorated 661 00:32:39,066 --> 00:32:41,065 purely for Tutankhamun as far as I'm concerned. 662 00:32:41,066 --> 00:32:42,199 - Thank you, Dr. Dodson. 663 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,165 You and I have a lot of notes to compare 664 00:32:44,166 --> 00:32:45,499 and conclusions to come up with. 665 00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:47,599 - [Yasmin] Definitely. I'm looking forward this. 666 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:48,932 - [Mahmoud] Thank you, Dr. Dodson. 667 00:32:48,933 --> 00:32:50,899 - [Yasmin] Thank you very much. 668 00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:53,366 (gentle music) 669 00:32:57,500 --> 00:33:00,399 At this stage of our journey with Tut, 670 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,299 the mystery remains about whether or not 671 00:33:03,300 --> 00:33:06,565 the tomb he was buried in was meant for him. 672 00:33:06,566 --> 00:33:09,432 Now Rashad and I are heading to Ay's Tomb 673 00:33:09,433 --> 00:33:12,465 to meet with Dr. Tarek Tawfik to get his theory 674 00:33:12,466 --> 00:33:13,466 on the matter. 675 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,800 (both speaking in foreign language) 676 00:33:23,166 --> 00:33:24,332 - After the death of Tutankhamun, 677 00:33:24,333 --> 00:33:27,599 the picture becomes a bit blurry. 678 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:32,232 Did he marry the widow of Tutankhamun rather quickly 679 00:33:32,233 --> 00:33:35,265 to become the next pharaoh? 680 00:33:35,266 --> 00:33:38,765 It's not entirely asserted. 681 00:33:38,766 --> 00:33:40,265 - I've never been to this tomb. 682 00:33:40,266 --> 00:33:42,665 I studied it so much (speaking in foreign language). 683 00:33:42,666 --> 00:33:44,265 - And I'm actually 684 00:33:44,266 --> 00:33:46,146 very embarrassed (speaking in foreign language). 685 00:33:46,233 --> 00:33:48,232 (both speaking in foreign language) 686 00:33:48,233 --> 00:33:50,632 (Tarek speaking in foreign language) 687 00:33:50,633 --> 00:33:53,165 (Mahmoud speaking in foreign language) 688 00:33:53,166 --> 00:33:55,432 (Tarek speaking in foreign language) 689 00:33:55,433 --> 00:33:58,233 - [Mahmoud] It looks unfinished. 690 00:33:59,500 --> 00:34:01,965 - It's very interesting because the color scheme 691 00:34:01,966 --> 00:34:05,632 is very similar to that of the tomb of Tut, 692 00:34:05,633 --> 00:34:08,665 but the quality of the decoration isn't as good. 693 00:34:08,666 --> 00:34:10,199 - Yes. - The first moment, 694 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,665 it strike us as very similar to Tutankhamun's tomb, 695 00:34:14,666 --> 00:34:17,333 but still there are a lot of differences. 696 00:34:18,700 --> 00:34:20,032 It's mainly the baboons. - The baboons are similar, 697 00:34:20,033 --> 00:34:21,499 of course. 698 00:34:21,500 --> 00:34:22,333 - [Mahmoud] I think that the baboons is what gives it away. 699 00:34:22,334 --> 00:34:23,632 - Yes. - Exactly. 700 00:34:23,633 --> 00:34:25,499 But other scenes on the other walls 701 00:34:25,500 --> 00:34:28,532 are quite different than Tutankhamun. 702 00:34:28,533 --> 00:34:31,065 - [Yasmin] There are many scholars who believe 703 00:34:31,066 --> 00:34:33,299 this tomb was intended for Tutankhamun, 704 00:34:33,300 --> 00:34:36,065 and that Tutankhamun's tomb was intended for Ay. 705 00:34:36,066 --> 00:34:37,332 What do you think? 706 00:34:37,333 --> 00:34:38,632 - I would ask myself, 707 00:34:38,633 --> 00:34:43,566 why should Tutankhamun be buried here in the West Valley? 708 00:34:45,066 --> 00:34:48,565 He is buried in the Valley of the Kings where he belong. 709 00:34:48,566 --> 00:34:51,165 - But maybe because he wanted to associate himself 710 00:34:51,166 --> 00:34:52,332 with Amenhotep III. 711 00:34:52,333 --> 00:34:53,665 - His grandfather. 712 00:34:53,666 --> 00:34:57,465 - Possible, but when we look at the plan 713 00:34:57,466 --> 00:34:59,565 of the tomb of Tutankhamun, 714 00:34:59,566 --> 00:35:04,533 we will notice that this tomb was actually, in my opinion, 715 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,465 really designed for him, 716 00:35:08,466 --> 00:35:12,265 because this is the only tomb in the Valley of the Kings 717 00:35:12,266 --> 00:35:16,766 where we have a chamber to the east of the burial chamber. 718 00:35:17,933 --> 00:35:21,199 And in this tomb, in the tomb of Tutankhamun, 719 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,765 the objects that are related to the funeral procession 720 00:35:25,766 --> 00:35:27,965 from east towards west. - From east to west. 721 00:35:27,966 --> 00:35:31,032 - I love this interpretation. I love it. 722 00:35:31,033 --> 00:35:34,799 - And this means that he, Tutankhamun, 723 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:39,800 here is emphasizing the return to the old afterlife belief, 724 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,265 which is associated to the west, 725 00:35:45,266 --> 00:35:48,265 not with the east like it was at the time of- 726 00:35:48,266 --> 00:35:49,865 (both speaking at once) 727 00:35:49,866 --> 00:35:51,399 (gentle music) 728 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,299 The tomb in the West Valley, 729 00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:58,466 the Valley of the Monkeys was made, planned, decorated, 730 00:36:00,500 --> 00:36:03,699 all for Ay himself, not for anybody else. 731 00:36:03,700 --> 00:36:07,465 - This is amazing, but let's go have lunch. 732 00:36:07,466 --> 00:36:08,665 - I know the perfect local place. Let's go. 733 00:36:08,666 --> 00:36:11,032 - I think that's a very good idea. 734 00:36:11,033 --> 00:36:12,099 - I'm shaking. 735 00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:14,599 (Yasmin chattering) 736 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,133 (gentle music continues) 737 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:25,333 (Mahmoud speaking in foreign language) 738 00:36:26,466 --> 00:36:30,533 (both speaking in foreign language) 739 00:36:34,133 --> 00:36:36,199 (Yasmin speaking in foreign language) 740 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,332 (Mahmoud speaking in foreign language) 741 00:36:40,333 --> 00:36:43,599 (both speaking in foreign language) 742 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,465 - So now it's really time for food. 743 00:36:45,466 --> 00:36:47,165 - Yes. 744 00:36:47,166 --> 00:36:49,532 - We heard a lot of theories and read a lot of theories 745 00:36:49,533 --> 00:36:53,532 about how Tut must have died, how do you think he died? 746 00:36:53,533 --> 00:36:57,765 - There could have been many reasons for his death. 747 00:36:57,766 --> 00:36:59,199 - Demise, yeah. 748 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,232 - I do not think that there is evidence enough 749 00:37:03,233 --> 00:37:05,999 to support that he was murdered. 750 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,899 But weak health condition could have led 751 00:37:10,900 --> 00:37:12,833 to his rather early death. 752 00:37:14,366 --> 00:37:16,899 - [Yasmin] So let's just play devil's advocate 753 00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:19,399 and assume that he was murdered. 754 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,033 Who would've done it if he was murdered? 755 00:37:23,233 --> 00:37:25,500 - Okay, just for the sake of argument. 756 00:37:27,566 --> 00:37:31,733 At this age as a teenager, Tutankhamun would've started 757 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,199 to have his own opinions and his own mind. 758 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:41,200 Tutankhamun, at the age of 15, 16, 759 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,232 now he would have his own mind. 760 00:37:46,233 --> 00:37:47,532 - [Yasmin] So he was realizing that, you know, 761 00:37:47,533 --> 00:37:49,532 "I'm king, so why am I not-" 762 00:37:49,533 --> 00:37:51,165 - [Tarek] He's king. 763 00:37:51,166 --> 00:37:51,766 - Making my own decision. - "Why do I need to listen 764 00:37:51,767 --> 00:37:53,065 to these guys?" 765 00:37:53,066 --> 00:37:54,832 - Exactly, and we don't know exactly 766 00:37:54,833 --> 00:37:57,532 where his mind was going. 767 00:37:57,533 --> 00:38:02,600 He was not anymore totally in line- 768 00:38:03,733 --> 00:38:05,573 - With Ay and Horemheb. - With Ay and Horemheb. 769 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,800 This could have been a motive to start thinking 770 00:38:13,100 --> 00:38:16,100 of getting rid of him, but this is totally speculative. 771 00:38:17,566 --> 00:38:19,499 - What about the chariot accident? 772 00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:20,766 - The gash in his knee. 773 00:38:22,066 --> 00:38:24,665 - Of course the idea of him having 774 00:38:24,666 --> 00:38:26,665 an accident with a chariot- 775 00:38:26,666 --> 00:38:28,565 - Is attractive. - Is very attractive 776 00:38:28,566 --> 00:38:32,499 and dramatic, but we have really no proof. 777 00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:35,565 He could have fallen going down the stairs. 778 00:38:35,566 --> 00:38:36,732 - I'm not a scholar like you guys, 779 00:38:36,733 --> 00:38:39,965 so I tend to run wild with my imagination. 780 00:38:39,966 --> 00:38:42,565 I tend to think that, okay, 781 00:38:42,566 --> 00:38:44,332 King Tut did have difficulty walking, 782 00:38:44,333 --> 00:38:46,632 and I think this is a fact. 783 00:38:46,633 --> 00:38:49,565 I can really imagine that he liked nothing more 784 00:38:49,566 --> 00:38:51,632 but to be strapped onto a chariot 785 00:38:51,633 --> 00:38:54,065 and to go for a run with it every now and then, 786 00:38:54,066 --> 00:38:56,399 especially that most of his chariots 787 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,965 show signs of wear and tear. 788 00:38:58,966 --> 00:39:00,665 They were used. 789 00:39:00,666 --> 00:39:02,965 Now I'm adding to that your theory, which I really like, 790 00:39:02,966 --> 00:39:04,832 about him being a rebellious teenager 791 00:39:04,833 --> 00:39:06,665 that they wanted to get rid of. 792 00:39:06,666 --> 00:39:08,899 Maybe instead of preventing him from going 793 00:39:08,900 --> 00:39:11,632 on these chariot rides that are dangerous, 794 00:39:11,633 --> 00:39:12,700 they encouraged it. 795 00:39:14,466 --> 00:39:15,999 It could be, it could be. 796 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,032 - [Yasmin] So it was a convenient death. 797 00:39:18,033 --> 00:39:18,966 - Yes! Yes. 798 00:39:18,967 --> 00:39:20,032 - You are now really... 799 00:39:20,033 --> 00:39:22,365 - I'm going into, I'm writing a script. 800 00:39:22,366 --> 00:39:24,199 - Exactly. Exactly. (Mahmoud laughs) 801 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:25,632 - I'm writing a script. 802 00:39:25,633 --> 00:39:28,032 - We don't have the evidence to support any of this. 803 00:39:28,033 --> 00:39:29,965 - No. - Yeah, of course. 804 00:39:29,966 --> 00:39:33,699 - But the circumstances would allow something like this. 805 00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:35,332 - Yes. Yes, yes. 806 00:39:35,333 --> 00:39:37,999 - There's no evidence for or against, 807 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,165 so anything's possible. 808 00:39:39,166 --> 00:39:40,066 - The thing with Tut's story especially 809 00:39:40,067 --> 00:39:42,332 is that everything is possible. 810 00:39:42,333 --> 00:39:44,899 There are countless possibilities 811 00:39:44,900 --> 00:39:48,665 to what could have happened, with equal chance. 812 00:39:48,666 --> 00:39:50,532 After listening to the different opinions 813 00:39:50,533 --> 00:39:52,565 on the debate whether Tut's tomb 814 00:39:52,566 --> 00:39:54,832 was meant for him or for Ay, 815 00:39:54,833 --> 00:39:58,299 I believe Ay gave Tutankhamun the smaller tomb 816 00:39:58,300 --> 00:40:00,565 and claimed the bigger tomb for himself 817 00:40:00,566 --> 00:40:03,200 when he took the throne to cement his kingship. 818 00:40:05,366 --> 00:40:07,699 And now we turn to how he died. 819 00:40:07,700 --> 00:40:11,032 Was it from natural causes or was he murdered? 820 00:40:11,033 --> 00:40:13,865 Were Ay and Horemheb Tut's allies or enemies, 821 00:40:13,866 --> 00:40:17,499 and did they play a role in his death? 822 00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:20,400 (mysterious music) 823 00:40:30,866 --> 00:40:33,632 I'm here at the Giza Plateau to meet Dr. Zahi Hawass. 824 00:40:33,633 --> 00:40:35,665 He has something very interesting to show me. 825 00:40:35,666 --> 00:40:38,665 It's the hunting lodge that belonged to King Tutankhamun, 826 00:40:38,666 --> 00:40:41,465 which contradicts his incapability to walk, 827 00:40:41,466 --> 00:40:43,465 to hunt, to ride a chariot. 828 00:40:43,466 --> 00:40:44,665 So, I'm really curious to see 829 00:40:44,666 --> 00:40:47,099 what he has to say about this today, 830 00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:49,266 and also who is the villain of our story. 831 00:40:52,833 --> 00:40:56,532 - Zahi Hawass, Egyptologist. 832 00:40:56,533 --> 00:40:58,665 - Dr. Zahi, I came back just to check out 833 00:40:58,666 --> 00:41:01,099 the lodge of Tutankhamun that is here. 834 00:41:01,100 --> 00:41:02,599 - He loved hunting. 835 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,532 It's because of that desert. 836 00:41:04,533 --> 00:41:06,065 This is a valley of gazelles. 837 00:41:06,066 --> 00:41:08,932 It was full of animals. 838 00:41:08,933 --> 00:41:10,999 - Dr. Zahi, then how do you explain the hunting scenes 839 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,999 of Tutankhamun while he's sitting down? 840 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,065 - Actually, that hunting scene for him sitting down, 841 00:41:17,066 --> 00:41:19,499 it proves that he did hunt. 842 00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:20,732 - Yes. 843 00:41:20,733 --> 00:41:24,599 - But in his tomb, found 130 sticks. 844 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,532 And this to show that even he had some physical problems, 845 00:41:27,533 --> 00:41:29,665 but still he can walk in a stick 846 00:41:29,666 --> 00:41:32,365 shooting wild animals seated, 847 00:41:32,366 --> 00:41:34,332 and beside him, the queen. 848 00:41:34,333 --> 00:41:35,865 We know that everything in Ancient Egypt 849 00:41:35,866 --> 00:41:40,932 had to have advisors to ask for decisions. 850 00:41:40,933 --> 00:41:45,699 And therefore, I think that Horemheb and Ay 851 00:41:45,700 --> 00:41:50,432 had nothing to do with the death of Tutankhamun at all. 852 00:41:50,433 --> 00:41:53,699 In Ancient Egypt, the pharaoh is a pharaoh. 853 00:41:53,700 --> 00:41:56,699 No one really can disobey a pharaoh. 854 00:41:56,700 --> 00:41:57,700 All of them have to bow 855 00:41:57,701 --> 00:41:59,899 in front of the king. - True. True. 856 00:41:59,900 --> 00:42:03,265 - All the theories before that was published 857 00:42:03,266 --> 00:42:06,799 by many people that Tutankhamun was murdered, 858 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,332 it is not true. 859 00:42:08,333 --> 00:42:12,332 Tutankhamun died on an accident, 860 00:42:12,333 --> 00:42:15,765 and this can be proved by the fracture 861 00:42:15,766 --> 00:42:16,965 that he had in his left leg, 862 00:42:16,966 --> 00:42:19,799 but he suffered from malaria. 863 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,632 And that was the thing that really made him to die 864 00:42:23,633 --> 00:42:24,732 because of the accident. 865 00:42:24,733 --> 00:42:26,165 - [Mahmoud] You're saying that he died 866 00:42:26,166 --> 00:42:29,065 in a combination of an accident and malaria together. 867 00:42:29,066 --> 00:42:31,665 - [Zahi] The malaria was the major thing. 868 00:42:31,666 --> 00:42:35,565 In that time, the malaria became the disease 869 00:42:35,566 --> 00:42:38,765 that everyone suffered, not only Tutankhamun but others. 870 00:42:38,766 --> 00:42:41,132 - Dr. Zahi, a lot of researchers and scholars 871 00:42:41,133 --> 00:42:43,999 tend to believe that Ay is the villain of our story. 872 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,332 Do you agree with them? 873 00:42:45,333 --> 00:42:47,565 - First of all, I never read a story 874 00:42:47,566 --> 00:42:49,099 from any scholar who said that. 875 00:42:49,100 --> 00:42:50,066 - Okay. 876 00:42:50,067 --> 00:42:52,099 - Maybe some people say that, 877 00:42:52,100 --> 00:42:54,732 but there is no evidence at all. 878 00:42:54,733 --> 00:42:59,465 On the contrary, there is evidence to prove the opposite. 879 00:42:59,466 --> 00:43:04,400 Ay tried his best to prove that he's the legal one 880 00:43:05,133 --> 00:43:06,665 to be the king of Egypt. 881 00:43:06,666 --> 00:43:08,732 And for him to restore that, 882 00:43:08,733 --> 00:43:11,200 he has to show his loyalty to Tutankhamun. 883 00:43:12,466 --> 00:43:14,365 - My impression so far of Tut on this journey 884 00:43:14,366 --> 00:43:16,199 is that it was a bit of a tragedy. 885 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,065 Do you agree? - Not at all. No, no. 886 00:43:18,066 --> 00:43:21,399 Was not a tragedy at all. It's normal. 887 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,799 And he died because he suffered from malaria. 888 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,465 We had many kings who suffered from many other things. 889 00:43:26,466 --> 00:43:28,865 Then it doesn't mean that he died because of malaria 890 00:43:28,866 --> 00:43:31,465 and an accident that he could be a tragedy. 891 00:43:31,466 --> 00:43:32,565 Not at all. 892 00:43:32,566 --> 00:43:33,832 - Thank you, Dr. Zahi. - Thank you. 893 00:43:33,833 --> 00:43:35,732 - Thank you for your time. Thank you. 894 00:43:35,733 --> 00:43:37,032 (gentle music) 895 00:43:37,033 --> 00:43:40,199 Dr. Zahi had very interesting insights on Tut's story. 896 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,165 He doesn't think Ay was the villain, 897 00:43:42,166 --> 00:43:44,732 and I think this is where the beauty of Tut lies. 898 00:43:44,733 --> 00:43:48,999 Everyone interprets him the way he imagines him to be. 899 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:54,000 (gentle music continues) (traffic whirring) 900 00:43:56,500 --> 00:43:58,132 Did you know that this movie theater 901 00:43:58,133 --> 00:44:02,365 is actually modeled after Radio City in New York? 902 00:44:02,366 --> 00:44:04,099 - I had no idea. - It is, it is. 903 00:44:04,100 --> 00:44:05,865 - [Yasmin] It's a very famous movie theater, 904 00:44:05,866 --> 00:44:07,532 but I never knew this about it. 905 00:44:07,533 --> 00:44:08,865 - [Mahmoud] What are you doing? 906 00:44:08,866 --> 00:44:10,699 - I'm going through all the notes I took 907 00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:15,700 regarding Tutankhamun, and it's so interesting, you know, 908 00:44:16,933 --> 00:44:19,100 all these different theories about how he died. 909 00:44:19,966 --> 00:44:21,932 Did he die of malaria? 910 00:44:21,933 --> 00:44:26,699 Did he die from a chariot accident? 911 00:44:26,700 --> 00:44:29,365 - From the amazing Egyptologists we sat with, 912 00:44:29,366 --> 00:44:31,932 Dr. Zahi, I think, believes it was a chariot accident, 913 00:44:31,933 --> 00:44:33,232 and so does Dr. Waziri. 914 00:44:33,233 --> 00:44:34,133 - Yeah. 915 00:44:34,134 --> 00:44:35,565 - I don't think it was a murder. 916 00:44:35,566 --> 00:44:37,099 - No. No, no. - This is too farfetched. 917 00:44:37,100 --> 00:44:38,732 They would never have killed a king. 918 00:44:38,733 --> 00:44:39,932 - [Yasmin] How do you think he died? 919 00:44:39,933 --> 00:44:41,399 - [Mahmoud] I think it was a combination 920 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,399 of malaria complications and the knee injury. 921 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,699 But in a way, because people who don't understand 922 00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:49,432 our fascination with this, 923 00:44:49,433 --> 00:44:51,799 I don't think it's a fascination with death. 924 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,565 It's a fascination with life. 925 00:44:53,566 --> 00:44:54,899 - [Yasmin] Just like the Ancient Egyptians. 926 00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:56,699 We think they were obsessed with death, 927 00:44:56,700 --> 00:44:58,232 they were actually obsessed with life 928 00:44:58,233 --> 00:45:01,265 and they wanted their afterlife to be just like this one. 929 00:45:01,266 --> 00:45:04,332 - Exactly, but also concerning Tut's death, 930 00:45:04,333 --> 00:45:07,465 I find it super interesting because it will tell us so much 931 00:45:07,466 --> 00:45:09,199 about the people that were around him. 932 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,999 So it will tell us a lot about Ay, about how Horemheb, 933 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,965 who are the allies and who are the enemies. 934 00:45:13,966 --> 00:45:15,599 - [Yasmin] Yes, very true. 935 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,599 - Who do you think were the enemies? 936 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,032 - Well, I don't know. 937 00:45:19,033 --> 00:45:21,699 I don't even know if Ay and Horemheb were really enemies. 938 00:45:21,700 --> 00:45:22,865 - Oh, come on. - They're not. 939 00:45:22,866 --> 00:45:24,165 No, we don't know. 940 00:45:24,166 --> 00:45:27,632 - Come on, Ay is the perfect villain of the story. 941 00:45:27,633 --> 00:45:29,265 All the evidence we have so far. 942 00:45:29,266 --> 00:45:31,132 Evidence we have- - What's the evidence? 943 00:45:31,133 --> 00:45:32,999 - He marrying Ankhesenamun, 944 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,132 the tomb. - That doesn't say anything 945 00:45:34,133 --> 00:45:35,699 about how- - The tomb, 946 00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:37,832 him performing the Opening of the Mouth ceremony 947 00:45:37,833 --> 00:45:38,833 inside the tomb. 948 00:45:38,833 --> 00:45:39,800 He was the bad guy. 949 00:45:39,801 --> 00:45:41,165 - [Yasmin] Not necessarily. 950 00:45:41,166 --> 00:45:43,165 - Burying him so quickly. - It doesn't mean 951 00:45:43,166 --> 00:45:45,099 he was an enemy. 952 00:45:45,100 --> 00:45:47,299 - Jumping on opportunities like that 953 00:45:47,300 --> 00:45:50,332 is definitely not a trade of a well-intent man. 954 00:45:50,333 --> 00:45:53,765 - [Yasmin] Maybe he felt that was what was best for Egypt. 955 00:45:53,766 --> 00:45:55,799 - No, that was what was best for him. 956 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,765 - He wanted to guarantee a smooth succession 957 00:45:58,766 --> 00:46:00,565 and he wanted to be king. 958 00:46:00,566 --> 00:46:03,399 That doesn't mean he was Tutankhamun's enemy. 959 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,732 I'm always waiting for the new evidence to come out. 960 00:46:05,733 --> 00:46:06,733 - Well, yes, yes, the more the merrier. 961 00:46:06,734 --> 00:46:10,165 But for now, he is definitely the bad guy. 962 00:46:10,166 --> 00:46:11,166 - Well, not definitely. 963 00:46:11,167 --> 00:46:13,232 I don't like the word definitely. 964 00:46:13,233 --> 00:46:14,033 - For me. 965 00:46:14,034 --> 00:46:15,332 - Possibly. 966 00:46:15,333 --> 00:46:16,565 (both chuckle) 967 00:46:16,566 --> 00:46:18,699 We will continue to guess forever. 968 00:46:18,700 --> 00:46:19,700 We will never know for sure, 969 00:46:19,701 --> 00:46:22,399 and that's the beauty of Egyptology. 970 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,066 (gentle music) 971 00:46:40,266 --> 00:46:42,866 (tense music) 972 00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:49,365 - [Christian] Hello! 973 00:46:49,366 --> 00:46:50,699 - [Andrew] Christian, Sahar. 974 00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:53,199 - Sahar, finally nice to meet you in person. 975 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,099 Good to see you again, Andrew. - Nice to see you, my friend. 976 00:46:55,100 --> 00:46:56,599 - Come on in. 977 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,199 All the way to New Brunswick, I appreciate you coming. 978 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:00,699 - It's great to be here, Christian. 979 00:47:00,700 --> 00:47:02,165 Nice to you. - Thank you. 980 00:47:02,166 --> 00:47:06,432 - Sahar, Andrew, this is, I'll show you now. 981 00:47:06,433 --> 00:47:09,499 This first one is the forensic version 982 00:47:09,500 --> 00:47:12,999 that I created of King Tutankhamun. 983 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,200 And this is what I found. 984 00:47:16,033 --> 00:47:17,599 - [Sahar] Whoa. 985 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,999 - So this is the culmination of several weeks worth of work. 986 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,099 Many, many, many hours. 987 00:47:23,100 --> 00:47:25,032 - So really, at this stage, 988 00:47:25,033 --> 00:47:28,999 the whole shape of the face is governed by that skull. 989 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,532 - Absolutely. - That we made the 3D print 990 00:47:30,533 --> 00:47:33,965 from the CT scans, and then the tissue thickness markers 991 00:47:33,966 --> 00:47:35,699 that we had so much discussion about 992 00:47:35,700 --> 00:47:38,299 which was the most appropriate ones to use, 993 00:47:38,300 --> 00:47:39,965 and people have used German ones 994 00:47:39,966 --> 00:47:40,999 and have used American ones, 995 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,199 and we opted to go with the Egyptian ones. 996 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,365 They were a little hard to figure out how to place. 997 00:47:46,366 --> 00:47:50,932 But I think that has really helped to shape a face. 998 00:47:50,933 --> 00:47:53,532 So as an Egyptian, what does it mean to you 999 00:47:53,533 --> 00:47:56,466 to see this ancient pharaoh come to life? 1000 00:47:57,966 --> 00:48:02,666 - Tutankhamun to me is not like any other mummy or pharaoh. 1001 00:48:03,900 --> 00:48:06,265 Tutankhamun represents my childhood. 1002 00:48:06,266 --> 00:48:09,899 This was important for me to relate him as a boy. 1003 00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:12,032 I was a child and he was a child. 1004 00:48:12,033 --> 00:48:15,865 Now, bringing Tutankhamun back to life 1005 00:48:15,866 --> 00:48:19,365 and to have this honor and this privilege 1006 00:48:19,366 --> 00:48:22,265 to be part of this project, 1007 00:48:22,266 --> 00:48:27,165 working on Tutankhamun, my hero of childhood, 1008 00:48:27,166 --> 00:48:31,999 and to celebrate with him his 100 year. 1009 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,433 So, happy anniversary, Tut. 1010 00:48:35,533 --> 00:48:38,200 (gentle music) 1011 00:48:55,433 --> 00:48:58,165 - So Dr. Sahar Saleem finally sent us the bust 1012 00:48:58,166 --> 00:48:59,232 to take a look at. 1013 00:48:59,233 --> 00:49:00,565 They've been working on it for months, 1014 00:49:00,566 --> 00:49:02,499 and the hard work really shows on it. 1015 00:49:02,500 --> 00:49:04,665 It was very emotional when I first saw him, 1016 00:49:04,666 --> 00:49:07,333 and I can't wait to bring in Yasmin to see him with me. 1017 00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:10,565 Have you been here before? 1018 00:49:10,566 --> 00:49:11,799 - [Yasmin] Never. 1019 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,265 - This is downtown Cairo, 1020 00:49:13,266 --> 00:49:16,899 and this company renovating a lot of the abandoned spaces 1021 00:49:16,900 --> 00:49:19,299 turning them into art spaces, galleries. 1022 00:49:19,300 --> 00:49:21,232 It really is a bigger project 1023 00:49:21,233 --> 00:49:24,165 to revive downtown Cairo in general. 1024 00:49:24,166 --> 00:49:25,432 This is finally it. 1025 00:49:25,433 --> 00:49:26,433 Are you ready to see him? 1026 00:49:26,434 --> 00:49:27,799 - [Yasmin] I am. I think so. 1027 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:28,666 - Are you nervous? 1028 00:49:28,667 --> 00:49:29,999 - Well, not nervous. Excited. 1029 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,099 - Okay, good. 1030 00:49:31,100 --> 00:49:32,066 Are you ready? 1031 00:49:32,067 --> 00:49:33,132 - Yes. 1032 00:49:33,133 --> 00:49:34,066 - Ready? - Yes! 1033 00:49:34,067 --> 00:49:36,599 (bright music) 1034 00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,099 Oh my God. 1035 00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:39,165 - I know. 1036 00:49:39,166 --> 00:49:40,166 - Wow. 1037 00:49:41,100 --> 00:49:42,299 - He's brilliant, huh? 1038 00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:43,399 - Yeah. 1039 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,265 It looks like a real person. 1040 00:49:45,266 --> 00:49:46,965 - It does. - Yeah. 1041 00:49:46,966 --> 00:49:49,232 - One thing I really like about this reconstruction 1042 00:49:49,233 --> 00:49:51,265 is that it reminded me of the mummy. 1043 00:49:51,266 --> 00:49:54,599 I can see similar features between him and the mummy. 1044 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,065 The brow bone, that area really does 1045 00:49:57,066 --> 00:49:58,332 look like the mummy. - The bone structure 1046 00:49:58,333 --> 00:49:59,765 is very similar to the mummy. - The bone structure 1047 00:49:59,766 --> 00:50:01,499 is very good, very well done. 1048 00:50:01,500 --> 00:50:03,965 The lips, I'm so happy they didn't give him thin lips. 1049 00:50:03,966 --> 00:50:05,265 - [Yasmin] I love the piercings. 1050 00:50:05,266 --> 00:50:06,599 - [Mahmoud] And he looks very Egyptian. 1051 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:07,832 - [Yasmin] He does. 1052 00:50:07,833 --> 00:50:08,965 - [Mahmoud] He looks like modern Egyptians. 1053 00:50:08,966 --> 00:50:10,165 - He really does. 1054 00:50:10,166 --> 00:50:11,133 Like I know people who look like him. 1055 00:50:11,134 --> 00:50:12,233 - Yes, yes. 1056 00:50:13,333 --> 00:50:14,499 The forensic artist that worked on this, 1057 00:50:14,500 --> 00:50:16,665 he didn't see any of the other reconstructions 1058 00:50:16,666 --> 00:50:20,065 that were made for Tut, so this is a very fresh perspective 1059 00:50:20,066 --> 00:50:22,399 on what he would have looked like. 1060 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,565 And the crown is fantastic. 1061 00:50:24,566 --> 00:50:25,765 - It is, it's beautiful. - It is. 1062 00:50:25,766 --> 00:50:26,806 - Beautiful crown. - It is. 1063 00:50:28,466 --> 00:50:30,099 And do you know what else is brilliant? 1064 00:50:30,100 --> 00:50:33,265 It's reminding me of some of the later busts of Akhenaten. 1065 00:50:33,266 --> 00:50:35,300 So he does look like his father after all. 1066 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,099 The monochrome is still leaving so much to our imagination 1067 00:50:39,100 --> 00:50:41,332 in terms of his skin color, his eye color. 1068 00:50:41,333 --> 00:50:42,300 - [Yasmin] And I like that. 1069 00:50:42,301 --> 00:50:43,665 - [Mahmoud] I like that, too. 1070 00:50:43,666 --> 00:50:45,965 We should always leave a bit for our imagination 1071 00:50:45,966 --> 00:50:46,966 when it comes to King Tut. 1072 00:50:46,967 --> 00:50:48,132 - Definitely. - Always. 1073 00:50:48,133 --> 00:50:50,132 - [Yasmin] I love how they use scientific data 1074 00:50:50,133 --> 00:50:52,099 to come up with this reconstruction. 1075 00:50:52,100 --> 00:50:54,232 It's not just, you know, a work of art. 1076 00:50:54,233 --> 00:50:56,065 - [Mahmoud] No, it science and art, 1077 00:50:56,066 --> 00:50:58,432 and they come up with something like this. 1078 00:50:58,433 --> 00:51:01,299 (gentle music) 1079 00:51:01,300 --> 00:51:02,399 So, question. 1080 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,799 If you were to imagine what Tut looked like, 1081 00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,299 is this similar to what you 1082 00:51:07,300 --> 00:51:08,732 would have been thinking of or no? 1083 00:51:08,733 --> 00:51:12,499 - [Yasmin] It's more similar than the other 1084 00:51:12,500 --> 00:51:13,665 reconstructions. - Reconstructions, right? 1085 00:51:13,666 --> 00:51:15,299 - [Yasmin] What about you? 1086 00:51:15,300 --> 00:51:17,632 - [Mahmoud] Maybe not how I imagined him to look like, 1087 00:51:17,633 --> 00:51:20,865 but I think this is more accurate than what I had in mind. 1088 00:51:20,866 --> 00:51:22,165 - I feel excited. 1089 00:51:22,166 --> 00:51:25,065 I feel like, you know, we finally have a face 1090 00:51:25,066 --> 00:51:27,799 to associate with all the stories we've been telling. 1091 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,400 (dramatic music) 1092 00:51:41,366 --> 00:51:43,332 On the mystery surrounding the life and death 1093 00:51:43,333 --> 00:51:46,365 of Egypt's most famous king, Tutankhamun, 1094 00:51:46,366 --> 00:51:49,199 we looked at who he might have been as a human being, 1095 00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,132 the man behind the mask. 1096 00:51:51,133 --> 00:51:53,232 I now empathize with him. 1097 00:51:53,233 --> 00:51:56,832 I empathize with the person who lost most of his family 1098 00:51:56,833 --> 00:51:58,299 at a young age. 1099 00:51:58,300 --> 00:52:02,532 I empathize with someone who had to denounce 1100 00:52:02,533 --> 00:52:04,733 his own father as a heretic. 1101 00:52:06,300 --> 00:52:09,699 As an Egyptologist, and more importantly as an Egyptian, 1102 00:52:09,700 --> 00:52:11,740 I will never look at Tutankhamun the same way again. 1103 00:52:15,366 --> 00:52:17,099 - One thing I hope we learned from this journey 1104 00:52:17,100 --> 00:52:19,732 with King Tut is to never judge a book by its cover. 1105 00:52:19,733 --> 00:52:22,899 King Tut on face value looks like this privileged, 1106 00:52:22,900 --> 00:52:24,765 well-off, pampered king. 1107 00:52:24,766 --> 00:52:27,299 But in reality, it was such a tragic story. 1108 00:52:27,300 --> 00:52:29,799 And through our journey, I really wanted to emphasize 1109 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:34,032 on the human side of King Tut and the tragedy of his life. 1110 00:52:34,033 --> 00:52:35,365 For the coming generations, 1111 00:52:35,366 --> 00:52:37,632 I know that we haven't answered most of the questions, 1112 00:52:37,633 --> 00:52:39,899 but we've given them enough to think about. 1113 00:52:39,900 --> 00:52:43,399 We've given them enough to keep looking, keep searching, 1114 00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,232 keep asking questions about King Tut 1115 00:52:45,233 --> 00:52:46,899 and about Ancient Egypt. 1116 00:52:46,900 --> 00:52:48,633 (gentle music) 1117 00:52:54,133 --> 00:52:56,999 To order Tutankhamun: Allies & Enemies on DVD, 1118 00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,365 Visit ShopPBS 1119 00:52:58,366 --> 00:53:00,332 or call 1-800-PLAY-PBS 1120 00:53:00,333 --> 00:53:03,899 This program is also available on Amazon Prime Video 1121 00:53:03,900 --> 00:53:11,900 >>>>oakislandtk<<<<< www.opensubtitles.org 87358

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