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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:23,453 --> 00:00:28,033 [ Photographers shouting ] 2 00:00:28,028 --> 00:00:32,498 ♫♫ 3 00:00:32,503 --> 00:00:36,613 -The power of Hollywood and that profession 4 00:00:36,607 --> 00:00:39,637 really undid me at times. 5 00:00:41,512 --> 00:00:45,122 They always had to knock me down for something, 6 00:00:45,115 --> 00:00:47,615 but then they always went, "But she´s beautiful." 7 00:00:49,119 --> 00:00:50,449 It wasn´t about me. 8 00:00:50,450 --> 00:00:52,680 It´s just a projection on me, 9 00:00:52,683 --> 00:00:55,593 what they wanted to hear and what they wanted to make of it. 10 00:00:55,586 --> 00:00:58,286 -If you look at the structure of the media industries, 11 00:00:58,288 --> 00:01:00,658 most of the people who call the shots tend to be men. 12 00:01:00,661 --> 00:01:02,761 They tend to be straight, white men. 13 00:01:02,763 --> 00:01:04,773 It´s very much about a gender binary. 14 00:01:04,765 --> 00:01:07,765 It´s very much about what women need to do 15 00:01:07,768 --> 00:01:11,138 in order to be desirable to straight men. 16 00:01:11,141 --> 00:01:12,671 -Gatekeeping is a major way 17 00:01:12,673 --> 00:01:14,753 of how we keep girls under control. 18 00:01:14,745 --> 00:01:19,645 It is dependent upon girls not having desires of their own. 19 00:01:21,251 --> 00:01:24,381 -It´s just so interesting how I accepted it for so long. 20 00:01:26,517 --> 00:01:30,557 I was struggling to find my own voice. 21 00:01:30,561 --> 00:01:33,661 I said, "Yeah, Mom, I have to go do this on my own. 22 00:01:33,664 --> 00:01:37,174 If I´m going to fail, I have to fail in my own." 23 00:01:37,167 --> 00:01:42,797 ♫♫ 24 00:01:42,803 --> 00:01:48,643 ♫♫ 25 00:01:48,639 --> 00:01:50,409 -Now, tell me about the book you´re writing. 26 00:01:50,410 --> 00:01:52,140 You told me you´re writing a book. 27 00:01:52,142 --> 00:01:54,482 -It´s not quite an autobiography or memoirs 28 00:01:54,484 --> 00:01:56,154 ´cause I haven´t been around that long. 29 00:01:56,146 --> 00:01:59,316 But it´s basically about 30 00:01:59,319 --> 00:02:00,449 all the different parts of my life -- 31 00:02:00,450 --> 00:02:01,720 you know, going to school. 32 00:02:01,722 --> 00:02:03,322 Since I´ve just finished my first year... 33 00:02:03,323 --> 00:02:05,463 A publisher contacted my mom and said, 34 00:02:05,455 --> 00:02:06,895 "We want you to write a book." 35 00:02:06,897 --> 00:02:09,457 And I was like, "I am ready to write a book." 36 00:02:09,459 --> 00:02:11,829 They said, "Well, you know, it´s a guide 37 00:02:11,832 --> 00:02:14,772 to other young people going away to college." 38 00:02:14,765 --> 00:02:16,365 And I was like, "I´ve got this." 39 00:02:16,366 --> 00:02:18,866 Had my whole plan. 40 00:02:18,869 --> 00:02:23,869 And it started with the fear of not getting in, 41 00:02:23,874 --> 00:02:27,754 getting in, missing my mom, being alone for the first time, 42 00:02:27,748 --> 00:02:31,478 feeling pressured about everything, 43 00:02:31,481 --> 00:02:34,861 whether it was drugs or sex or drinking. 44 00:02:34,855 --> 00:02:37,755 You know, how do you become independent? 45 00:02:37,758 --> 00:02:39,828 I was really proud of it. 46 00:02:39,830 --> 00:02:41,190 And they said, "Well, we´re thinking 47 00:02:41,191 --> 00:02:43,331 about this book differently." 48 00:02:43,333 --> 00:02:48,243 They wrote what they wanted as the first chapter, 49 00:02:48,238 --> 00:02:49,738 and I kid you not, 50 00:02:49,740 --> 00:02:52,240 it was like, "I like leg warmers. 51 00:02:52,242 --> 00:02:55,182 Being away from home, there´s a lot of ways 52 00:02:55,175 --> 00:02:56,775 you can eat different foods. 53 00:02:56,777 --> 00:02:58,407 You can have a sundae at midnight. 54 00:02:58,408 --> 00:03:01,248 You can have a, you know, pizza." 55 00:03:01,251 --> 00:03:02,651 It was so inane. 56 00:03:02,653 --> 00:03:05,493 It had nothing to do 57 00:03:05,485 --> 00:03:08,815 with the gut-wrenching feeling that I had 58 00:03:08,819 --> 00:03:11,889 by going away to college. 59 00:03:11,892 --> 00:03:14,772 You know, they just wanted their narrative. 60 00:03:14,765 --> 00:03:18,265 So I said, "Make the book that you want." 61 00:03:18,268 --> 00:03:19,828 And then when the book came out, 62 00:03:19,830 --> 00:03:22,630 I thought, just go along with it. 63 00:03:22,633 --> 00:03:26,813 I think that I -- I don´t really know what I am 64 00:03:26,807 --> 00:03:29,677 and who I want to be yet, and this book 65 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,940 is the beginning of that learning what I want to be. 66 00:03:32,943 --> 00:03:36,893 The most personal and in depth that it got 67 00:03:36,887 --> 00:03:39,247 was the chapter on virginity, 68 00:03:39,249 --> 00:03:42,949 which was actually my mom´s idea. 69 00:03:42,953 --> 00:03:44,803 I mean, I brought it up. 70 00:03:44,795 --> 00:03:47,325 I´m not ashamed of it. I really wasn´t. 71 00:03:47,327 --> 00:03:48,757 But I thought, well, you know, it´s true. 72 00:03:48,759 --> 00:03:52,929 If I can help anybody not feel pressured... 73 00:03:52,933 --> 00:03:54,743 Same thing I tell my daughter. 74 00:03:54,735 --> 00:03:56,235 Like, you don´t have to do something 75 00:03:56,236 --> 00:03:57,406 just because they want it. 76 00:03:57,407 --> 00:03:58,737 Like, no. 77 00:03:58,739 --> 00:04:01,439 Your body. You don´t have to do it. 78 00:04:01,441 --> 00:04:03,671 That was the approach I took. 79 00:04:03,674 --> 00:04:06,984 Unless you go out there and say it, 80 00:04:06,977 --> 00:04:10,317 you know, you´re not gonna get your truth, really. 81 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,550 I think there´s a great deal of pressure on young girls, 82 00:04:13,554 --> 00:04:18,034 young women, especially my age, and nobody should do anything 83 00:04:18,028 --> 00:04:20,328 that they don´t feel comfortable about doing. 84 00:04:20,330 --> 00:04:22,030 You know, why all of a sudden does that mean 85 00:04:22,032 --> 00:04:24,742 you´re boring or you´re too squeaky clean 86 00:04:24,735 --> 00:04:27,335 or, you know, you´re a nerd or whatever? 87 00:04:27,337 --> 00:04:29,497 It´s like, no, you actually have ownership 88 00:04:29,499 --> 00:04:31,569 over your health and your body. 89 00:04:31,572 --> 00:04:33,272 That, to me was empowering. 90 00:04:33,273 --> 00:04:35,053 But it was the admission of virginity 91 00:04:35,045 --> 00:04:39,805 that was really the first time, you know, they pulled that out, 92 00:04:39,810 --> 00:04:41,450 which is, I guess, better than pulling out, 93 00:04:41,451 --> 00:04:43,281 "I like leg warmers." [ Laughs ] 94 00:04:43,283 --> 00:04:45,893 -You talk about something very personal in your book, 95 00:04:45,886 --> 00:04:47,516 and it´s really nobody´s business, 96 00:04:47,518 --> 00:04:50,018 but you talk about it, that at 20 years old, 97 00:04:50,020 --> 00:04:52,720 you´re a virgin, and you give tips in there, 98 00:04:52,723 --> 00:04:54,703 in that sense, how to remain a virgin. 99 00:04:54,695 --> 00:04:58,325 -You feel strongly about maintaining your virginity. 100 00:04:58,328 --> 00:04:59,598 -[ Laughing ] I knew it was gonna come to that. 101 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,030 That´s how it´s gonna go. Here it comes! 102 00:05:01,031 --> 00:05:03,031 You never know what people are going to just attack 103 00:05:03,033 --> 00:05:05,643 or want to know about, and I was a bit surprised 104 00:05:05,636 --> 00:05:08,436 because there wasn´t even a whole chapter devoted to it. 105 00:05:08,438 --> 00:05:09,738 -Like a page, right? -Just a page. 106 00:05:09,740 --> 00:05:11,080 A little page, a little sentence. 107 00:05:11,081 --> 00:05:12,711 "I am." 108 00:05:12,713 --> 00:05:15,893 -Her name even sounds like anti-sexual device. 109 00:05:15,886 --> 00:05:16,946 [ Laughter ] 110 00:05:16,947 --> 00:05:18,647 "Did you have fun on your date?" 111 00:05:18,649 --> 00:05:21,349 "No, she was wearing her Brooke Shield." 112 00:05:21,351 --> 00:05:23,521 [ Laughter and applause ] 113 00:05:23,954 --> 00:05:26,604 -I certainly remember 114 00:05:26,597 --> 00:05:30,857 that microscopic obsession with Brooke´s virginity. 115 00:05:30,861 --> 00:05:33,061 With all the things going on in the world, 116 00:05:33,063 --> 00:05:36,743 I just remember thinking, why is this such a big deal? 117 00:05:36,737 --> 00:05:39,567 -The Soviet Union has suffered one of the worst disasters 118 00:05:39,570 --> 00:05:41,070 in the history of nuclear power. 119 00:05:41,071 --> 00:05:43,771 -I have to get not nasty, but I have to get personal, 120 00:05:43,774 --> 00:05:45,424 ask you the virginity question. 121 00:05:45,415 --> 00:05:48,675 -I´m a little puzzled about how these weapons 122 00:05:48,679 --> 00:05:51,879 got to the military in Iran. 123 00:05:51,882 --> 00:05:53,782 -The West Berliners were determined. 124 00:05:53,784 --> 00:05:56,034 The chant went up, "Down with the wall." 125 00:05:56,026 --> 00:05:57,786 -Brooke says she wants to remain a virgin 126 00:05:57,788 --> 00:05:59,558 until she finds someone she loves. 127 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,930 -Ethiopia´s 7 1/2 million famine victims. 128 00:06:02,933 --> 00:06:05,803 -When it comes to drugs and alcohol, 129 00:06:05,796 --> 00:06:07,836 just say no. 130 00:06:07,838 --> 00:06:11,538 -1980s America -- there was a whole movement 131 00:06:11,542 --> 00:06:13,372 of "just say no" and abstinence. 132 00:06:13,373 --> 00:06:15,083 And I think Brooke became 133 00:06:15,075 --> 00:06:18,845 an unwitting tool, or pawn, of that, 134 00:06:18,849 --> 00:06:22,709 the Virgin vessel for America. 135 00:06:22,713 --> 00:06:27,793 People wanted to reclaim the pureness of Brooke 136 00:06:27,788 --> 00:06:29,418 in a way that I just thought, 137 00:06:29,419 --> 00:06:31,959 wow, that puts so much pressure on somebody. 138 00:06:31,962 --> 00:06:34,162 -She´s like a role model. Yeah, she´s got good morals. 139 00:06:34,164 --> 00:06:36,834 She´s, um -- I don´t know. 140 00:06:36,827 --> 00:06:39,497 She´s just a good person inside. It come through in her eyes. 141 00:06:39,499 --> 00:06:42,799 -She feels like she´s more innocent 142 00:06:42,803 --> 00:06:46,543 than other girls, you know? 143 00:06:46,537 --> 00:06:47,777 -I wasn´t a hypocrite. 144 00:06:47,778 --> 00:06:49,138 I wasn´t doing any of this stuff. 145 00:06:49,139 --> 00:06:52,039 But there was a huge responsibility 146 00:06:52,042 --> 00:06:56,892 to be the representative of that whole era. 147 00:06:56,887 --> 00:07:00,147 And that was just sort of placed on me. 148 00:07:02,422 --> 00:07:04,902 -She can´t live in the space in between, 149 00:07:04,895 --> 00:07:07,895 because people don´t know what to do with that. 150 00:07:07,898 --> 00:07:11,498 Either you´re a virgin and you´re a prude, 151 00:07:11,502 --> 00:07:15,742 or you´re a slut and you´re doing too much. 152 00:07:15,736 --> 00:07:18,936 There´s no third option where maybe you´re both, 153 00:07:18,939 --> 00:07:20,769 or neither, even. 154 00:07:20,771 --> 00:07:22,641 You have to have one or the other. 155 00:07:22,643 --> 00:07:24,583 And so all that is still present. 156 00:07:24,575 --> 00:07:26,645 I don´t see how any of that has changed [laughs] 157 00:07:26,647 --> 00:07:28,017 in the last 40 years. 158 00:07:28,018 --> 00:07:30,778 -I think that girls and young women today 159 00:07:30,781 --> 00:07:33,021 are in really an impossible double bind, 160 00:07:33,023 --> 00:07:34,793 you know, where they´re told 161 00:07:34,785 --> 00:07:36,925 that they need to express themselves 162 00:07:36,927 --> 00:07:39,587 and present themselves in very sexualized ways, 163 00:07:39,590 --> 00:07:41,960 but then they´re blamed for anything that happens. 164 00:07:41,962 --> 00:07:45,002 -I honestly have been just so surprised 165 00:07:44,995 --> 00:07:49,165 at how entrenched this is still. 166 00:07:49,169 --> 00:07:51,669 Brooke´s experience and the ways in which 167 00:07:51,672 --> 00:07:54,242 she had to be in the world -- 168 00:07:54,244 --> 00:07:58,254 none of those roles included her own desire 169 00:07:58,248 --> 00:08:01,008 as a sexual person with agency, 170 00:08:01,011 --> 00:08:03,551 with subjectivity. 171 00:08:03,554 --> 00:08:06,824 -It was always the men that would say something, 172 00:08:06,817 --> 00:08:09,187 and you knew that it somehow trigger 173 00:08:09,189 --> 00:08:11,119 something in them as well. 174 00:08:11,121 --> 00:08:12,991 -How do you think people perceive you? 175 00:08:12,993 --> 00:08:14,573 Are you a goody-goody? 176 00:08:14,565 --> 00:08:16,825 -I don´t -- no. I don´t think I am. 177 00:08:16,827 --> 00:08:18,897 -Are you dating anybody? What´s the... 178 00:08:18,899 --> 00:08:20,269 -No, I´m not actually. [ Chuckles ] 179 00:08:20,270 --> 00:08:21,970 -Everybody, every time I say that -- 180 00:08:21,972 --> 00:08:23,832 -That what I want to know. -[ Laughs ] 181 00:08:23,834 --> 00:08:29,114 -I think that it was a relief that she actually was a virgin 182 00:08:29,109 --> 00:08:32,709 because that meant that the terrible transgressions 183 00:08:32,713 --> 00:08:35,823 of the earlier movies -- oh, they weren´t really true. 184 00:08:35,816 --> 00:08:38,746 -Everybody wanted to untap this, you know -- 185 00:08:38,749 --> 00:08:40,919 this well that was just gonna spring forth. 186 00:08:40,921 --> 00:08:43,721 You know, all these things were just swirling around. 187 00:08:43,724 --> 00:08:46,104 Everybody was trying to... 188 00:08:46,096 --> 00:08:49,626 hook me up with the most eligible bachelor. 189 00:08:49,630 --> 00:08:51,760 ♫ What do I think about men? ♫ 190 00:08:51,762 --> 00:08:54,742 ♫ Oh, men are dreamy, men are sweet ♫ 191 00:08:54,735 --> 00:08:56,135 ♫ They´re really knock me off my feet ♫ 192 00:08:56,136 --> 00:08:58,306 -She lived most of her life in public, and, 193 00:08:58,308 --> 00:09:01,938 "Oh, my God. Who is Brooke Shields dating now?" 194 00:09:01,942 --> 00:09:05,252 -♫ Men, men, men, men ♫ 195 00:09:05,245 --> 00:09:06,915 -It´s hard enough being a teenager 196 00:09:06,917 --> 00:09:09,277 without having that pressure. 197 00:09:09,279 --> 00:09:12,649 It was brutal and the media was just cranking up. 198 00:09:12,653 --> 00:09:14,833 And now we´re getting opinions and -- 199 00:09:14,825 --> 00:09:18,885 and, of course, she was standing next to the Mr. Media himself, 200 00:09:18,889 --> 00:09:20,789 Michael Jackson. 201 00:09:20,791 --> 00:09:22,691 -You have a crush on Michael Jackson. 202 00:09:22,693 --> 00:09:24,293 -Michael Jackson and you. -Yes. 203 00:09:24,294 --> 00:09:26,904 -Are you just friends or has there been a romance there? 204 00:09:26,897 --> 00:09:29,167 -The world was going back and forth on whether or not 205 00:09:29,169 --> 00:09:32,039 Brooke was dating Michael Jackson or not dating. 206 00:09:32,042 --> 00:09:35,052 And, you know. 207 00:09:35,045 --> 00:09:37,275 my mother had opinions about that. 208 00:09:37,277 --> 00:09:39,647 [ Laughs ] 209 00:09:39,650 --> 00:09:44,920 It was that whole thing of Brooke being privileged 210 00:09:44,915 --> 00:09:46,685 and also being white 211 00:09:46,687 --> 00:09:51,917 and also stepping into the inner sanctum of Blackness 212 00:09:51,922 --> 00:09:53,762 because of Michael Jackson. 213 00:09:53,764 --> 00:09:57,074 [ Crowd shouting and cheering ] 214 00:09:57,067 --> 00:10:00,197 -It was such a huge topic of conversation 215 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,600 in the Black community. 216 00:10:02,603 --> 00:10:04,233 -Man, white people going, 217 00:10:04,234 --> 00:10:06,944 [nasally voice] "That Michael´s a special kind of guy. 218 00:10:06,937 --> 00:10:09,237 He´s special. 219 00:10:09,239 --> 00:10:11,339 I mean, he´s good, clean, and wholesome." 220 00:10:11,341 --> 00:10:13,211 Y´all believe it. You know how I know y´all believed it? 221 00:10:13,213 --> 00:10:15,023 Y´all didn´t get mad when he took Brooke Shields 222 00:10:15,015 --> 00:10:17,015 to the Grammys. 223 00:10:17,017 --> 00:10:19,617 Nobody white said shit. 224 00:10:19,620 --> 00:10:23,950 And Brooke Shields is the whitest woman in America. 225 00:10:23,954 --> 00:10:25,404 That´s Miss America every year is Brooke -- 226 00:10:25,395 --> 00:10:27,095 fuck who you see with the crown. 227 00:10:27,097 --> 00:10:28,397 Brooke -- you look up white woman in dictionary, 228 00:10:28,398 --> 00:10:29,998 it´ll be a picture of Brooke like this. 229 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,260 [ Laughter and applause ] 230 00:10:32,262 --> 00:10:34,672 -We met when I was 13, 231 00:10:34,665 --> 00:10:39,835 and we, like, hung out. 232 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,110 It was very childlike. 233 00:10:43,113 --> 00:10:45,353 And we´d just laugh 234 00:10:45,345 --> 00:10:47,975 and kind of the ridiculousness of being in the car 235 00:10:47,978 --> 00:10:51,318 and having people rock the car and be insane and... 236 00:10:51,321 --> 00:10:54,831 [ Crowd shouting "Michael!" ] 237 00:10:54,825 --> 00:10:58,085 ...we both were 238 00:10:58,088 --> 00:11:01,288 quite juvenile in some ways 239 00:11:01,291 --> 00:11:05,871 and quite mature and experienced in others. 240 00:11:05,866 --> 00:11:09,266 So we were just really friends. 241 00:11:09,269 --> 00:11:13,769 But he always wanted to be sort of seen with me. 242 00:11:13,774 --> 00:11:17,414 Like, if we would pick a restaurant, 243 00:11:17,407 --> 00:11:20,107 I was like, "Well, how did they know we were here?" 244 00:11:20,110 --> 00:11:23,880 -Um, hello, Brooke. I´m working on my album. 245 00:11:23,884 --> 00:11:26,124 I just wanted to say hello 246 00:11:26,116 --> 00:11:28,956 and I hope I get to see you soon. 247 00:11:28,959 --> 00:11:31,019 Just a brief message on video. 248 00:11:31,021 --> 00:11:32,391 Goodbye. 249 00:11:32,392 --> 00:11:36,032 -And then at one point he said 250 00:11:36,026 --> 00:11:37,996 "We should adopt a child. 251 00:11:37,998 --> 00:11:41,428 We should adopt a child and raise a child together." 252 00:11:41,431 --> 00:11:43,001 -Who do you date? 253 00:11:43,003 --> 00:11:46,043 -Well, right now it´s Brooke Shields. 254 00:11:46,036 --> 00:11:47,336 -Mm-hmm. 255 00:11:47,337 --> 00:11:49,177 -That´s -- I don´t -- Well, we try not 256 00:11:49,179 --> 00:11:51,009 to just be everywhere and go everywhere... 257 00:11:51,011 --> 00:11:54,951 -I called them and I said, "What are you doing?" 258 00:11:54,945 --> 00:11:57,315 I said, "I´m actually currently 259 00:11:57,317 --> 00:11:59,887 with a boyfriend in New York City. 260 00:11:59,890 --> 00:12:01,320 What are you doing?" 261 00:12:01,321 --> 00:12:02,921 -And she´ll come over, I´ll go to her house, 262 00:12:02,923 --> 00:12:04,423 ´cause I don´t like going out into public. 263 00:12:04,424 --> 00:12:08,834 -And eventually I sort of lost touch with him. 264 00:12:08,829 --> 00:12:10,999 -Is there anybody special in Brooke Shields´ life 265 00:12:11,001 --> 00:12:12,401 at the moment? 266 00:12:12,402 --> 00:12:14,062 -Actually, there is. And he´s with me today. 267 00:12:14,064 --> 00:12:16,074 -Well, that´s great. I mean, is he real special? 268 00:12:16,066 --> 00:12:18,336 -He´s real special, yeah. -Is he right over there? 269 00:12:18,338 --> 00:12:20,108 -Yeah, come here. [ Laughs ] 270 00:12:20,110 --> 00:12:21,210 Just say hi to everybody. 271 00:12:21,211 --> 00:12:22,441 -Hi, everybody. 272 00:12:22,442 --> 00:12:23,912 -Well, why don´t you introduce him? 273 00:12:23,914 --> 00:12:25,524 -His name´s Dean Cain. He´s, um -- 274 00:12:25,516 --> 00:12:27,276 He goes to Princeton. 275 00:12:27,277 --> 00:12:29,347 -I wanted to jump into the personal relationship 276 00:12:29,349 --> 00:12:32,349 and the love and the commitment. 277 00:12:32,352 --> 00:12:34,282 You know, the part he was more comfortable with 278 00:12:34,284 --> 00:12:37,364 is probably the sexual part, and I wasn´t. 279 00:12:37,357 --> 00:12:41,087 So we had to teach each other about the other. 280 00:12:41,091 --> 00:12:46,071 You know, he was the first person I trusted with all of it. 281 00:12:46,066 --> 00:12:51,866 But I never celebrated our attraction to each other. 282 00:12:51,872 --> 00:12:58,312 I never reveled in the sexual relationship 283 00:12:58,308 --> 00:12:59,878 between the two of us. 284 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:02,850 I mean, I had built up so much around this. 285 00:13:02,853 --> 00:13:06,123 The stakes were so unnaturally high 286 00:13:06,116 --> 00:13:11,486 that I´m surprised he even went through with any of it. 287 00:13:11,491 --> 00:13:14,291 When we finally had sex... 288 00:13:14,294 --> 00:13:16,134 [ Chuckles ] 289 00:13:16,126 --> 00:13:18,526 ...I immediately 290 00:13:18,529 --> 00:13:22,299 ran out of the room, ran down the hall, 291 00:13:22,302 --> 00:13:25,542 butt-naked, [laughs] just running. 292 00:13:25,536 --> 00:13:28,136 I didn´t know where it was going. 293 00:13:28,138 --> 00:13:34,208 [ Laughing ] And he ran after me with the duvet 294 00:13:34,214 --> 00:13:36,054 and grabbed a hold of me and said, 295 00:13:36,046 --> 00:13:38,386 "Where are you going?" 296 00:13:38,388 --> 00:13:40,018 He goes, "I´m not going anywhere. 297 00:13:40,020 --> 00:13:44,020 I´m not leaving you. You´re the same person." 298 00:13:44,024 --> 00:13:47,334 He got it instantly, and I just cried. 299 00:13:49,530 --> 00:13:52,100 Well, I feel bad for that girl, you know. 300 00:13:52,102 --> 00:13:55,442 She was old enough to own her own body for real 301 00:13:55,435 --> 00:13:58,565 and, you know, just... 302 00:13:58,569 --> 00:14:01,869 and just couldn´t get there at that moment, you know? 303 00:14:05,215 --> 00:14:07,975 What it boils down to 304 00:14:07,978 --> 00:14:12,518 is sort of a regret for lost exploration 305 00:14:12,523 --> 00:14:18,293 and opportunity to understand my personal sexuality. 306 00:14:25,966 --> 00:14:28,936 -Brains you´re born with. 307 00:14:28,939 --> 00:14:31,639 A great body you have to work at every day. 308 00:14:31,642 --> 00:14:34,072 You have to stretch it to the limit. 309 00:14:34,074 --> 00:14:35,614 I thought I was gonna graduate 310 00:14:35,606 --> 00:14:38,476 and I was gonna go right back into a movie a year, 311 00:14:38,478 --> 00:14:42,548 and I thought, yeah, it was just going to be great, you know? 312 00:14:42,553 --> 00:14:45,323 And it was just like, "I´m sorry, I´m sorry. 313 00:14:45,315 --> 00:14:46,985 Um, Brooke with an ´e´?" 314 00:14:46,987 --> 00:14:49,257 So get smart. Join Rockford Health Club today 315 00:14:49,259 --> 00:14:50,919 and get 50% off dues. 316 00:14:50,921 --> 00:14:53,921 I went into college very famous. 317 00:14:53,924 --> 00:14:56,304 Hadn´t done a movie in a really long time. 318 00:14:56,296 --> 00:14:59,496 I didn´t assume it would be a detriment to my career. 319 00:14:59,499 --> 00:15:01,599 -Don´t mind me asking, but why -- 320 00:15:01,602 --> 00:15:03,602 I mean, your work -- I mean, what do you, uh -- 321 00:15:03,604 --> 00:15:05,184 -After four years of Princeton, 322 00:15:05,175 --> 00:15:08,305 my professor suggested I seek higher goals. 323 00:15:08,308 --> 00:15:10,578 -Now, you did drop out for about four years, didn´t you? 324 00:15:10,581 --> 00:15:12,181 -I did. Actually, I -- 325 00:15:12,182 --> 00:15:14,522 I almost didn´t even think of it as dropping out. 326 00:15:14,515 --> 00:15:16,545 What I -- I went to college and... 327 00:15:16,547 --> 00:15:18,647 It wasn´t like Paramount was waiting for me 328 00:15:18,649 --> 00:15:22,019 and calling for me, and Columbia wasn´t going, 329 00:15:22,022 --> 00:15:23,192 "Well, we have to have Brooke." 330 00:15:23,193 --> 00:15:25,163 You know, at that point, there was 331 00:15:25,155 --> 00:15:27,395 so many other actresses that had come 332 00:15:27,397 --> 00:15:29,457 just in those four years. 333 00:15:29,459 --> 00:15:32,099 And so my mom and I were like, 334 00:15:32,102 --> 00:15:35,412 "Well, we better get a movie in this period of time 335 00:15:35,405 --> 00:15:38,565 so it comes out when you graduate." 336 00:15:38,569 --> 00:15:42,709 And it just sort of flopped. 337 00:15:42,713 --> 00:15:44,723 [ Indistinct shouting in distance ] 338 00:15:46,146 --> 00:15:49,346 So, okay, let´s try to find things, like find commercials. 339 00:15:49,349 --> 00:15:52,019 Go do a commercial in Japan, you know? 340 00:15:52,022 --> 00:15:54,422 [ Upbeat music playing ] 341 00:15:54,424 --> 00:16:00,694 ♫♫ 342 00:16:00,691 --> 00:16:04,391 The hair dryers and stuff -- they´ll do something with you. 343 00:16:04,394 --> 00:16:07,504 We have a filter that is removable and you can clean it, 344 00:16:07,497 --> 00:16:10,567 which increases the longevity of a product. 345 00:16:10,571 --> 00:16:14,101 Arrid fights wetness ordinary deodorant sticks can´t. 346 00:16:14,104 --> 00:16:15,554 [ Man speaks Japanese ] 347 00:16:15,546 --> 00:16:17,376 It moves me! 348 00:16:17,377 --> 00:16:19,177 [ Man speaks Japanese ] 349 00:16:19,179 --> 00:16:22,509 What if I told you Forever Sheer pantyhose 350 00:16:22,513 --> 00:16:25,593 come in great shades for daytime, like these? 351 00:16:27,457 --> 00:16:29,387 Mmm. 352 00:16:29,389 --> 00:16:31,619 Satisfying. 353 00:16:31,622 --> 00:16:33,462 And it´s healthy for you, too. 354 00:16:36,627 --> 00:16:39,097 -She knows that she´s gotta keep trying things. 355 00:16:39,099 --> 00:16:42,129 Like, "How am I going to get out there again? 356 00:16:42,132 --> 00:16:43,532 Or what do I need to do?" 357 00:16:43,534 --> 00:16:46,144 When you´re in the public eye, there´s pressure. 358 00:16:46,136 --> 00:16:48,436 -Could you put into words now what you hope 359 00:16:48,438 --> 00:16:50,278 To do with your career at this point? 360 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,280 -Does it ever worry that you may have peaked already, 361 00:16:52,282 --> 00:16:54,182 that you´ve already had the best of your career? 362 00:16:54,184 --> 00:16:56,254 -Do you think Hollywood takes you seriously? 363 00:16:56,246 --> 00:16:59,316 -I think that Hollywood, 364 00:16:59,319 --> 00:17:02,319 or the entertainment industry, 365 00:17:02,322 --> 00:17:06,762 hasn´t seen my potential yet as an actress. 366 00:17:06,757 --> 00:17:10,527 Creatively, now I´m in much more pain, 367 00:17:10,531 --> 00:17:13,461 in a way, artistic pain, if I can be so sort of 368 00:17:13,463 --> 00:17:15,143 pretentious about it. 369 00:17:15,135 --> 00:17:21,305 It was a really scary, rough period of rejection. 370 00:17:21,311 --> 00:17:24,551 And to kind of go that high that fast 371 00:17:24,545 --> 00:17:27,175 and then just nothing -- 372 00:17:27,177 --> 00:17:31,347 it was so difficult on so many levels. 373 00:17:31,351 --> 00:17:35,561 And I kept thinking I might 374 00:17:35,556 --> 00:17:38,256 get approval of some kind 375 00:17:38,258 --> 00:17:43,058 in a world that I dreamt about my whole life. 376 00:17:46,296 --> 00:17:48,596 I let myself be vulnerable. 377 00:17:48,599 --> 00:17:50,739 And this is the first time 378 00:17:50,741 --> 00:17:53,201 I´ve ever spoken about what happened. 379 00:17:56,346 --> 00:17:58,606 I had heard that there was a movie being made 380 00:17:58,609 --> 00:18:01,209 and I was in consideration, 381 00:18:01,211 --> 00:18:04,691 and it was the first since college 382 00:18:04,685 --> 00:18:08,785 that any interest was sort of expressed. 383 00:18:08,789 --> 00:18:13,619 We had a dinner, and I thought it was a work meeting. 384 00:18:13,624 --> 00:18:15,634 I had met this person before 385 00:18:15,626 --> 00:18:21,196 and was always -- he was always nice to me. 386 00:18:21,201 --> 00:18:24,541 But then the person´s behavior was changing, 387 00:18:24,535 --> 00:18:26,535 and I was like, oh, nobody -- 388 00:18:26,537 --> 00:18:28,377 there was no talk about the movie. 389 00:18:28,378 --> 00:18:29,808 No talk about a part in the movie. 390 00:18:29,810 --> 00:18:31,410 No talk about anything. 391 00:18:31,411 --> 00:18:33,181 And I was like, "I don´t think that was it. 392 00:18:33,183 --> 00:18:34,793 I don´t understand," and so I said, 393 00:18:34,785 --> 00:18:36,385 "Oh, I have to get a cab." 394 00:18:36,386 --> 00:18:39,516 And so he said, "Come back to the hotel 395 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,590 and I´ll call a cab." 396 00:18:42,593 --> 00:18:47,563 And I go up to the hotel room and he disappears for a while. 397 00:18:47,558 --> 00:18:50,128 I don´t want to go over to the phone because it´s not my phone. 398 00:18:50,130 --> 00:18:52,260 I don´t want to sit down ´cause I´m not staying. 399 00:18:52,262 --> 00:18:54,712 And so I thought, Ah, I´m gonna use the binoculars 400 00:18:54,705 --> 00:18:56,665 and bide my time, so I look at the binoculars. 401 00:18:56,667 --> 00:18:58,637 I watch the volleyball players. 402 00:18:58,639 --> 00:19:00,869 And the door opens. 403 00:19:00,871 --> 00:19:05,621 The person comes out naked, 404 00:19:05,616 --> 00:19:09,276 and I´ve got the binoculars. 405 00:19:09,279 --> 00:19:11,719 And I´m like, "Shit!" 406 00:19:11,722 --> 00:19:15,162 And I put the binoculars down. He was right on me. 407 00:19:15,155 --> 00:19:18,255 It was a -- this, like, wrestle -- 408 00:19:18,258 --> 00:19:19,758 this, like, was wrestling. 409 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,290 You know, I didn´t want to. I was afraid I´d... 410 00:19:22,292 --> 00:19:24,642 get choked out or something or, like, I didn´t -- 411 00:19:24,635 --> 00:19:26,595 you know, I didn´t know. 412 00:19:26,597 --> 00:19:30,167 You know, I played the scene out in my head, you know, 413 00:19:30,170 --> 00:19:33,300 the run away and the pull back and the beat the shit out of. 414 00:19:33,303 --> 00:19:37,253 And I was just like, "Oh! No. 415 00:19:37,247 --> 00:19:38,907 Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope." 416 00:19:38,909 --> 00:19:43,849 ♫♫ 417 00:19:43,854 --> 00:19:47,864 So I didn´t fight that much. 418 00:19:47,858 --> 00:19:50,418 I didn´t. 419 00:19:50,420 --> 00:19:54,260 I just absolutely froze. 420 00:19:54,264 --> 00:19:58,334 I thought my one "no" should have been enough. 421 00:19:58,328 --> 00:20:03,298 And I just thought, stay alive and get out. 422 00:20:03,303 --> 00:20:08,313 And I...just, "voomp," just shut it out. 423 00:20:10,340 --> 00:20:15,220 And God knows I knew how to be disassociated from my body. 424 00:20:15,215 --> 00:20:16,745 I had practiced that. 425 00:20:18,488 --> 00:20:21,588 And then the next thing is the door´s open 426 00:20:21,592 --> 00:20:25,632 and the person says, "Well, I´ll see you around." 427 00:20:25,626 --> 00:20:28,426 No clothes on. And I was like... 428 00:20:28,428 --> 00:20:30,228 And I just said, "Yeah." 429 00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:32,500 And I walked out and I went down in the elevator 430 00:20:32,503 --> 00:20:36,773 and I just got my own cab. 431 00:20:36,767 --> 00:20:40,437 And I just I cried all the way to my friend´s apartment 432 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:45,720 and I, you know, went to Gavin and told Gavin, 433 00:20:45,716 --> 00:20:49,976 and he said, "That´s rape." 434 00:20:49,980 --> 00:20:54,480 And I said, "I´m not willing to... 435 00:20:54,484 --> 00:20:56,364 believe that." 436 00:21:00,561 --> 00:21:02,431 -Well, I was on the phone the first time, 437 00:21:02,432 --> 00:21:05,402 but then we talked about it again in person. 438 00:21:05,395 --> 00:21:07,265 How I felt was... 439 00:21:09,399 --> 00:21:12,869 ...literally physical pain in my stomach. 440 00:21:12,873 --> 00:21:16,313 I had... 441 00:21:16,306 --> 00:21:20,476 invested so much of my life in 442 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:25,720 literally protecting Brooke, and then... 443 00:21:25,716 --> 00:21:30,956 loving her as I do, I was... 444 00:21:30,961 --> 00:21:35,431 angry to hear her story. 445 00:21:35,425 --> 00:21:38,595 I was very, very sad. 446 00:21:38,599 --> 00:21:41,069 I´m very, very sad about it now. 447 00:21:41,071 --> 00:21:44,471 You know, that´s my little sister. 448 00:21:44,474 --> 00:21:46,714 [ Chuckles and clears throat ] 449 00:21:46,707 --> 00:21:50,307 And I wanted her to know she didn´t do anything wrong. 450 00:21:52,042 --> 00:21:55,792 And I hope she does now. I think she does. 451 00:21:55,786 --> 00:21:57,986 [ Sniffles ] 452 00:21:59,990 --> 00:22:02,820 -The thing that I think I´m the most... 453 00:22:04,795 --> 00:22:07,925 ...ashamed of or, you know, whatever it is, 454 00:22:07,928 --> 00:22:12,528 is that there was part of me that felt, 455 00:22:12,533 --> 00:22:13,833 "Cool." 456 00:22:13,834 --> 00:22:14,914 -Oh, God, Brooke. 457 00:22:14,905 --> 00:22:16,765 -Because I thought, 458 00:22:16,767 --> 00:22:20,007 oh, maybe this is -- this is the validation. 459 00:22:20,010 --> 00:22:21,970 But it´s like, it was like, 460 00:22:21,972 --> 00:22:25,722 that was what I had to do to my brain to -- 461 00:22:25,716 --> 00:22:29,016 and he even said to me, you know, "I can trust you 462 00:22:29,019 --> 00:22:30,779 when I can´t trust people." -Oh, God. 463 00:22:30,781 --> 00:22:34,761 And I was like -- it´s, like, it´s so cliché, 464 00:22:34,755 --> 00:22:37,455 it´s practically pathetic. 465 00:22:37,457 --> 00:22:41,587 -No, it´s predator talk. I mean, I don´t... 466 00:22:41,592 --> 00:22:48,472 -I believed somehow I put out a message, 467 00:22:48,468 --> 00:22:52,798 and that was how the message was received. 468 00:22:52,803 --> 00:22:54,853 I drank wine at dinner. 469 00:22:54,845 --> 00:22:59,645 I, you know -- I went up to the room. 470 00:22:59,650 --> 00:23:02,810 I just was so trusting. 471 00:23:02,813 --> 00:23:05,523 -She was really turning it inward. 472 00:23:05,516 --> 00:23:09,386 You carry around this kind of experience of victimization, 473 00:23:09,389 --> 00:23:12,489 and you drag around your responsibility for it 474 00:23:12,492 --> 00:23:14,062 inaccurately. 475 00:23:14,064 --> 00:23:17,974 This is an adult who knew what he was doing, 476 00:23:17,968 --> 00:23:21,498 was genuinely responsible, genuinely culpable. 477 00:23:21,502 --> 00:23:26,482 And -- And she wasn´t, period. 478 00:23:26,476 --> 00:23:28,006 She was crying. 479 00:23:28,008 --> 00:23:31,078 There´s no way that that can be misinterpreted. 480 00:23:31,081 --> 00:23:34,721 That is not somebody who´s looking for -- 481 00:23:34,715 --> 00:23:38,515 for a sexual experience. 482 00:23:38,519 --> 00:23:39,919 -I wrote a letter. 483 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,590 I said, you know, "That was a huge trust 484 00:23:42,593 --> 00:23:45,833 that was just blown up 485 00:23:45,826 --> 00:23:48,756 and disintegrated and destroyed. 486 00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:50,829 And how dare you? 487 00:23:50,831 --> 00:23:55,871 And, you know, I´m better than that. 488 00:23:55,866 --> 00:23:59,436 I´m better than you are, actually." 489 00:23:59,439 --> 00:24:04,109 You know, that´s the way I dealt with things. 490 00:24:04,114 --> 00:24:06,584 It was met with such dismissive -- 491 00:24:06,577 --> 00:24:08,547 It was so dismissed 492 00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:10,819 that I just threw my hands up and I thought, 493 00:24:10,821 --> 00:24:13,081 You know what? I´m not -- 494 00:24:13,083 --> 00:24:15,593 I refuse to be a victim 495 00:24:15,586 --> 00:24:19,856 because this is something that happens 496 00:24:19,860 --> 00:24:21,930 no matter who you are 497 00:24:21,932 --> 00:24:26,042 and no matter what you think you´re prepared for or not. 498 00:24:27,898 --> 00:24:31,998 I wanted to erase the whole thing from my mind and body 499 00:24:32,002 --> 00:24:36,512 and just keep on the path that I was on. 500 00:24:36,507 --> 00:24:39,077 And the system had never once 501 00:24:39,079 --> 00:24:44,009 come to help me, you know? 502 00:24:44,014 --> 00:24:47,994 So I just had to get stronger on my own, you know? 503 00:24:52,923 --> 00:24:54,673 [ Propeller whirring ] 504 00:25:03,674 --> 00:25:06,184 -I was doing a movie in Africa. 505 00:25:06,176 --> 00:25:09,576 And I was there for a good part of it by myself. 506 00:25:11,241 --> 00:25:13,981 Where´s the mother? -She´d be out hunting. 507 00:25:13,984 --> 00:25:16,094 -But then a friend said to me, 508 00:25:16,086 --> 00:25:19,716 "You know, we´re really good friends with this guy, 509 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,150 this tennis player. 510 00:25:21,151 --> 00:25:22,651 You guys are very -- 511 00:25:22,653 --> 00:25:24,963 There´s something very similar about you." 512 00:25:28,298 --> 00:25:31,528 I took a Jeep up to this little spot 513 00:25:31,532 --> 00:25:36,972 where we had one radio tower and they had a fax machine. 514 00:25:36,967 --> 00:25:40,667 We started faxing 515 00:25:40,671 --> 00:25:44,241 back and forth to each other, these long letters. 516 00:25:44,244 --> 00:25:46,824 -[ Grunts ] -Game! 517 00:25:46,817 --> 00:25:49,017 [ Crowd cheering ] 518 00:25:49,019 --> 00:25:52,319 -Total shock and disbelief. 519 00:25:52,322 --> 00:25:56,262 22-year-old Andre Agassi in tears. 520 00:25:56,256 --> 00:25:58,556 Has won Wimbledon. 521 00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:00,629 [ Cheers and applause ] 522 00:26:00,631 --> 00:26:03,131 -We talked so openly about our fears 523 00:26:03,133 --> 00:26:05,743 and about being public figures. 524 00:26:05,736 --> 00:26:07,996 We talked about our childhood. 525 00:26:07,998 --> 00:26:10,138 -Andre, how do you like the game of tennis? 526 00:26:10,140 --> 00:26:11,740 -Fine. 527 00:26:11,742 --> 00:26:13,302 -We had these kind of intense relationships 528 00:26:13,303 --> 00:26:16,683 with these maternal and paternal figures. 529 00:26:16,677 --> 00:26:22,247 And he was just so open and honest and funny. 530 00:26:22,252 --> 00:26:25,862 [ Cheers and applause ] 531 00:26:25,856 --> 00:26:27,916 By the time I went to California, 532 00:26:27,918 --> 00:26:32,058 we were on this path of falling in love 533 00:26:32,062 --> 00:26:34,702 in a very chaste sort of way. 534 00:26:34,695 --> 00:26:41,695 ♫♫ 535 00:26:41,702 --> 00:26:48,742 ♫♫ 536 00:26:48,739 --> 00:26:52,609 -It was such a, like, quick romance. 537 00:26:52,613 --> 00:26:54,753 They just hit it off. 538 00:26:54,745 --> 00:26:57,245 [ Cheers and applause ] 539 00:26:57,247 --> 00:26:58,917 -I loved that I didn´t have to be 540 00:26:58,919 --> 00:27:01,619 the biggest thing in the room. 541 00:27:01,622 --> 00:27:03,652 -Australian Open, Wimbledon. 542 00:27:03,654 --> 00:27:05,334 -Yeah. -On top of the TV set. 543 00:27:05,325 --> 00:27:08,025 Yeah, just, you know, in a place that I can see it every day. 544 00:27:08,028 --> 00:27:09,728 Really, you know? [ Telephone rings ] 545 00:27:09,730 --> 00:27:11,800 There´s the phone. This phone rings not too often. 546 00:27:11,802 --> 00:27:13,832 [ Laughs ] 547 00:27:13,834 --> 00:27:15,914 Can I call you later? 548 00:27:15,906 --> 00:27:18,806 Okay. Yeah, I got your number. 549 00:27:18,809 --> 00:27:20,039 [ Laughs ] 550 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,370 All right. I love you. Bye. 551 00:27:22,372 --> 00:27:24,012 [ Telephone beeps ] 552 00:27:24,014 --> 00:27:25,924 Um... 553 00:27:25,916 --> 00:27:27,646 -Who was that? -That was Brooke. 554 00:27:30,180 --> 00:27:32,350 -I´ve learned a lot from him about commitment, 555 00:27:32,352 --> 00:27:35,192 about following through on your own, 556 00:27:35,185 --> 00:27:37,255 with a lack of using a tennis term, 557 00:27:37,257 --> 00:27:39,957 but on what you believe in. 558 00:27:41,692 --> 00:27:46,742 He asked me, "Do you seriously want to be an actress? 559 00:27:46,737 --> 00:27:51,667 ´Cause if you do, why aren´t you doing it? 560 00:27:51,672 --> 00:27:53,902 You´re waiting for something that´s not happening. 561 00:27:53,904 --> 00:27:55,314 Get an agent. 562 00:27:55,305 --> 00:27:58,945 Start at ground zero and start up again." 563 00:28:00,180 --> 00:28:04,210 I knew my mom had no intention of stopping drinking. 564 00:28:06,356 --> 00:28:09,286 -Wow! 565 00:28:09,289 --> 00:28:12,089 -The alcohol was ruining her brain. 566 00:28:12,092 --> 00:28:15,002 I think she had had a couple of mini strokes, 567 00:28:14,995 --> 00:28:19,065 and she was starting to, like, be found in the next state over. 568 00:28:19,069 --> 00:28:22,029 Well, she was gonna self-destruct. 569 00:28:23,974 --> 00:28:28,484 I was trying to systematically take control of everything 570 00:28:28,478 --> 00:28:32,308 in a very fair, kind way, 571 00:28:32,312 --> 00:28:34,282 and she wasn´t hearing it. 572 00:28:34,284 --> 00:28:37,424 So I was like, "Okay, this is gonna be 573 00:28:37,417 --> 00:28:40,887 probably the most violent thing you´ve ever done." 574 00:28:40,891 --> 00:28:43,821 And it was. 575 00:28:43,824 --> 00:28:47,034 My mom and I had an office building. 576 00:28:47,027 --> 00:28:48,327 It had all my archives. 577 00:28:48,328 --> 00:28:50,428 It had everything I´ve ever done. 578 00:28:50,430 --> 00:28:54,400 Andre´s manager and I organized a team, 579 00:28:54,404 --> 00:28:57,844 and they went into the office and they gutted it, 580 00:28:57,838 --> 00:29:00,868 and we shipped it out to Vegas. 581 00:29:00,871 --> 00:29:05,151 She went in on a Monday morning and the place was just hollow. 582 00:29:05,145 --> 00:29:08,315 It was just echoing and nothing. 583 00:29:08,318 --> 00:29:11,518 Even the stuff that was hers was there. 584 00:29:14,855 --> 00:29:17,455 What she must have felt 585 00:29:17,457 --> 00:29:20,987 walking in their room to an empty, 586 00:29:20,991 --> 00:29:24,131 echoing four-story building... 587 00:29:26,436 --> 00:29:29,436 She disappeared for a couple of days, 588 00:29:29,439 --> 00:29:31,339 wouldn´t talk to me, wouldn´t answer the phone, nothing. 589 00:29:31,341 --> 00:29:33,071 I couldn´t find her. 590 00:29:33,073 --> 00:29:35,453 And, you know, I went through all the local police 591 00:29:35,445 --> 00:29:41,245 and everybody, and eventually she surfaced. 592 00:29:41,251 --> 00:29:43,351 She just couldn´t believe, you know, 593 00:29:43,353 --> 00:29:46,323 "How could you do that to me? How could you?" 594 00:29:46,316 --> 00:29:50,386 And I said, "I´m just so sorry. 595 00:29:50,390 --> 00:29:52,260 I didn´t know any other way." 596 00:29:54,164 --> 00:29:56,804 I just went under his whole umbrella, 597 00:29:56,797 --> 00:30:01,567 and everything just got swept up into it. 598 00:30:01,572 --> 00:30:05,212 She couldn´t believe that these entities, 599 00:30:05,205 --> 00:30:08,975 these men, you know, undid everything, 600 00:30:08,979 --> 00:30:11,579 you know, and that I went along with it. 601 00:30:11,582 --> 00:30:14,082 She was completely broken. 602 00:30:14,084 --> 00:30:16,394 She even talked about it publicly. 603 00:30:16,386 --> 00:30:19,046 She never forgave me for that. 604 00:30:19,049 --> 00:30:21,549 -I´m the best judge of Brooke. 605 00:30:21,552 --> 00:30:25,232 And I think the people who are handling her now 606 00:30:25,225 --> 00:30:28,925 cannot be as qualified as I 607 00:30:28,929 --> 00:30:34,569 because they´ve not lived with her as long as I have. 608 00:30:34,565 --> 00:30:36,205 -Teri couldn´t see that 609 00:30:36,206 --> 00:30:38,136 somebody else would help Brooke, 610 00:30:38,138 --> 00:30:39,968 but talk about taking care of somebody. 611 00:30:39,970 --> 00:30:44,850 He really did take care of her, almost in a fatherly way. 612 00:30:44,845 --> 00:30:47,615 ♫♫ 613 00:30:47,618 --> 00:30:50,048 -It´s not much surprise that Brooke 614 00:30:50,050 --> 00:30:54,320 moved from a very controlling circumstance with her mother 615 00:30:54,324 --> 00:30:57,634 to another person who was very controlling. 616 00:30:57,628 --> 00:31:01,628 And that´s sometimes how you get out of one relationship 617 00:31:01,632 --> 00:31:06,142 is you get into another one that answers all the questions 618 00:31:06,136 --> 00:31:07,936 and takes care of everything. 619 00:31:07,938 --> 00:31:10,298 [ Cheers and applause ] 620 00:31:10,300 --> 00:31:15,080 ♫♫ 621 00:31:15,075 --> 00:31:18,545 -Tonight, I´m going to start my life over. 622 00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:21,349 Andre, you´ve made my life come more to life 623 00:31:21,351 --> 00:31:22,981 than I could have ever dreamt of. 624 00:31:22,983 --> 00:31:24,483 And I love you with all my heart. 625 00:31:24,484 --> 00:31:28,324 [ Applause ] 626 00:31:28,318 --> 00:31:30,518 Something in me knew that I wouldn´t be able 627 00:31:30,521 --> 00:31:33,261 to separate from my mother 628 00:31:33,263 --> 00:31:35,333 without somebody like Andre. 629 00:31:35,325 --> 00:31:43,425 ♫♫ 630 00:31:43,433 --> 00:31:47,113 I remember after the wedding, we... 631 00:31:47,107 --> 00:31:49,537 we all went to the airport. 632 00:31:52,212 --> 00:31:54,442 They were flying away, 633 00:31:54,444 --> 00:31:56,994 and I went to say goodbye to Brooke. 634 00:31:56,987 --> 00:32:00,587 Everybody on the plane was somebody in Andre´s world, 635 00:32:00,591 --> 00:32:04,151 and she´d moved into Andre´s world. 636 00:32:04,154 --> 00:32:08,434 She really went off into, you know, something else. 637 00:32:14,505 --> 00:32:17,705 [ Indistinct shouting ] 638 00:32:21,271 --> 00:32:23,411 -I got an agent, 639 00:32:23,413 --> 00:32:26,353 and I was ready to start up again. 640 00:32:26,346 --> 00:32:28,346 Do I have anything in there or... 641 00:32:28,348 --> 00:32:30,448 -Just mail back here. -Yeah? Okay. 642 00:32:30,450 --> 00:32:32,120 Odd. 643 00:32:32,122 --> 00:32:33,722 -It´s on the fire hose. -It´s on the fire hose. 644 00:32:33,724 --> 00:32:35,664 I have my own fire hose. 645 00:32:35,656 --> 00:32:37,656 Okay. 646 00:32:37,658 --> 00:32:39,328 Alright. 647 00:32:39,329 --> 00:32:42,529 I got cast on Broadway in "Grease." 648 00:32:42,533 --> 00:32:45,643 -Grease is the word after her Broadway debut last night. 649 00:32:45,636 --> 00:32:48,636 Brooke is back and tennis star Andre Agassi is with her 650 00:32:48,639 --> 00:32:51,999 every step of the way. 651 00:32:52,002 --> 00:32:54,272 [ Telephone rings ] 652 00:32:54,274 --> 00:32:56,554 -Excuse me. 653 00:32:56,547 --> 00:32:58,507 [ Laughing ] Hello? 654 00:32:58,509 --> 00:33:01,249 She´s no longer in the show. 655 00:33:01,251 --> 00:33:04,451 This is my dressing room now. 656 00:33:04,454 --> 00:33:06,464 [ Laughing ] That´s okay. 657 00:33:06,456 --> 00:33:08,116 But you should really come and see me in the show. 658 00:33:08,118 --> 00:33:11,558 I do a different Rizzo, but it´s -- it´s great. 659 00:33:11,562 --> 00:33:14,262 Broadway was such a new medium for me, 660 00:33:14,264 --> 00:33:18,104 and I really had to dig deep. 661 00:33:18,098 --> 00:33:20,398 -♫ She´s gonna be a celebrity ♫ 662 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,600 -♫ That means somebody everyone knows ♫ 663 00:33:23,604 --> 00:33:26,714 -When she joined our company, I was a little skeptical. 664 00:33:26,707 --> 00:33:29,177 -Yes, oh, yes, we both, oh, yes, we both, oh, yes, we both... 665 00:33:29,179 --> 00:33:32,139 -And then she did some physical-comedy stuff. 666 00:33:32,142 --> 00:33:33,742 It was hilarious. 667 00:33:33,744 --> 00:33:36,724 The respect level from the company was, like, up here 668 00:33:36,717 --> 00:33:38,787 because we were watching her and we were like, 669 00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:43,549 "Oh, she´s got this. She´s worked for this." 670 00:33:43,554 --> 00:33:45,734 -People did say to my face, 671 00:33:45,726 --> 00:33:48,796 "I really thought you were gonna suck, but you´re good!" 672 00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:51,199 [ Laughs ] And you´re just like, "I´ll take it. 673 00:33:51,201 --> 00:33:54,461 Thank you very much for that generous compliment." 674 00:33:54,464 --> 00:33:57,414 -♫ Come on, Jackson, you´re gettin´ hip ♫ 675 00:33:57,407 --> 00:34:00,207 -More people started asking me to do comedy. 676 00:34:00,210 --> 00:34:01,510 -Oh, my favorite dish! 677 00:34:01,512 --> 00:34:03,372 I always wanted to do it. 678 00:34:03,373 --> 00:34:06,653 It just never seemed an option for me. 679 00:34:06,647 --> 00:34:11,077 It started with -- with "Friends." 680 00:34:11,081 --> 00:34:13,481 -Hello. -It´s Erika. 681 00:34:13,483 --> 00:34:15,163 -Oh, my God. The stalker. 682 00:34:15,155 --> 00:34:17,325 -They said, "We´re doing a Super Bowl episode, 683 00:34:17,327 --> 00:34:22,357 and they want you to play Joey´s psycho girlfriend." 684 00:34:22,362 --> 00:34:23,732 [ Laughter ] 685 00:34:23,734 --> 00:34:26,074 [ Cheers and applause ] 686 00:34:27,437 --> 00:34:28,597 Hi. 687 00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:30,339 -Erika. 688 00:34:30,771 --> 00:34:33,471 [ Laughter ] 689 00:34:33,473 --> 00:34:36,083 -We did the scene where I´m sitting with Joey 690 00:34:36,076 --> 00:34:39,746 and I do this crazy laugh where I throw my head back 691 00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:42,610 and then I just get serious again. 692 00:34:42,613 --> 00:34:46,663 Marta Kauffman said, "Brooke, it´s too much. 693 00:34:46,657 --> 00:34:50,387 The stakes are too high. It makes you look too crazy." 694 00:34:50,390 --> 00:34:53,490 And -- and I said, "Yeah, but she´s like, 695 00:34:53,493 --> 00:34:58,633 really pretty, so she should be really crazy." 696 00:34:58,629 --> 00:35:02,369 When it came time to film in front of an audience, 697 00:35:02,372 --> 00:35:04,102 we do the first take, 698 00:35:04,104 --> 00:35:06,584 and all of a sudden from across the stage I hear, 699 00:35:06,577 --> 00:35:09,537 "Shields, put it back in!" 700 00:35:09,540 --> 00:35:11,480 Let me see those hands. 701 00:35:11,481 --> 00:35:13,641 Oh, these hands, these beautiful hands. 702 00:35:13,644 --> 00:35:16,894 [ Laughs ] Oh, I could just eat them. 703 00:35:16,887 --> 00:35:19,517 But I won´t. 704 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,490 -Otherwise, my watch would fell off. 705 00:35:21,491 --> 00:35:27,501 -[ Laughs hysterically ] 706 00:35:27,497 --> 00:35:30,257 No, seriously. 707 00:35:30,260 --> 00:35:31,430 These hands... 708 00:35:31,431 --> 00:35:33,531 Andre 1,000% supported. 709 00:35:33,534 --> 00:35:37,414 He read the script. He knew what part I was playing. 710 00:35:37,407 --> 00:35:40,237 He knew that I was a crazy person 711 00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:44,580 who just is obsessed with Joey. 712 00:35:44,575 --> 00:35:46,345 -All right? [ Chuckles nervously ] 713 00:35:46,346 --> 00:35:49,816 -So I went for it, and I just start, like, 714 00:35:49,820 --> 00:35:51,720 licking his fingers and, you know, 715 00:35:51,722 --> 00:35:54,532 just, like, devouring these surgeon hands. 716 00:35:54,525 --> 00:35:56,325 -You´re good at that. 717 00:35:56,326 --> 00:36:00,386 -I get back to the dressing room. 718 00:36:00,390 --> 00:36:04,430 Andre had stormed out, and he said, 719 00:36:04,434 --> 00:36:05,704 "Everybody´s making fun of me in there. 720 00:36:05,696 --> 00:36:08,566 You made a fool of me. How dare you?" 721 00:36:08,569 --> 00:36:10,369 You know, "You´re my girlfriend, 722 00:36:10,370 --> 00:36:12,170 and now you´re sticking your tongue all over everybody." 723 00:36:12,172 --> 00:36:15,952 And I was just like, "Y-You read the script. 724 00:36:15,946 --> 00:36:18,776 It wasn´t real." 725 00:36:18,779 --> 00:36:22,179 He drove home. 726 00:36:22,182 --> 00:36:24,562 And he destroyed 727 00:36:24,555 --> 00:36:29,285 every single one of his trophies, 728 00:36:29,289 --> 00:36:32,459 like, smashed Wimbledon, 729 00:36:32,462 --> 00:36:36,672 smashed French Open. 730 00:36:36,667 --> 00:36:38,697 -And he´s the number-one tennis player in the world. 731 00:36:38,699 --> 00:36:40,669 He´s just signed a $150 million contract. 732 00:36:40,671 --> 00:36:42,631 He´s got his own private jet. 733 00:36:42,633 --> 00:36:44,783 He has you as his girlfriend. 734 00:36:44,775 --> 00:36:46,705 What´s not to feel good about? 735 00:36:46,707 --> 00:36:48,977 -But unless you have a real sense 736 00:36:48,979 --> 00:36:53,679 of your belief in yourself deserving those things, 737 00:36:53,684 --> 00:36:56,754 then they become very relative. 738 00:36:56,747 --> 00:36:59,717 I thought, he´s an intense personality. 739 00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:04,420 And yet because I was so used to growing up with an alcoholic 740 00:37:04,424 --> 00:37:10,634 whose moods would change, the erratic behavior didn´t -- 741 00:37:10,631 --> 00:37:13,661 I didn´t know what was going on. 742 00:37:13,664 --> 00:37:16,944 I mean, we hardly ever spoke about it again. 743 00:37:19,940 --> 00:37:24,440 A few years later, we got a divorce. 744 00:37:24,444 --> 00:37:26,254 We should have just been friends. 745 00:37:26,246 --> 00:37:29,546 I don´t think we should have ever been husband and wife. 746 00:37:29,550 --> 00:37:33,780 We weren´t meant to be each other´s 747 00:37:33,784 --> 00:37:38,394 lifelong partner or parents of children, you know? 748 00:37:41,762 --> 00:37:48,672 ♫♫ 749 00:37:48,669 --> 00:37:52,669 -What is the most coveted time period in all of television? 750 00:37:52,673 --> 00:37:56,753 Thursday night at 9:30 on NBC. 751 00:37:56,747 --> 00:37:59,577 -I got a call from my agent and they said, 752 00:37:59,580 --> 00:38:01,580 "How would you like doing your own show?" 753 00:38:01,582 --> 00:38:03,712 -And the winner is... 754 00:38:03,714 --> 00:38:06,824 Brooke Shields in "Suddenly Susan." 755 00:38:06,817 --> 00:38:08,317 -This fall, Brooke Shields 756 00:38:08,318 --> 00:38:09,718 as you´ve never seen her before. 757 00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:11,860 -One of the surprise stories in TV this season 758 00:38:11,862 --> 00:38:14,872 is the reemergence of Brooke Shields. 759 00:38:14,865 --> 00:38:16,765 -What I liked about "Suddenly Susan" 760 00:38:16,767 --> 00:38:20,967 is that it was the story of this icon 761 00:38:20,971 --> 00:38:22,601 becoming this different person. 762 00:38:22,603 --> 00:38:25,043 She, in a way, created a counter plot. 763 00:38:25,035 --> 00:38:27,805 -Check it out. I just got the new Duran Duran album. 764 00:38:27,808 --> 00:38:29,608 -Radical! Can I see? 765 00:38:29,610 --> 00:38:31,310 -Yeah, sure. It´s in my locker. 766 00:38:31,311 --> 00:38:32,811 -Excellent. 767 00:38:32,813 --> 00:38:35,823 You know who goes from "Blue Lagoon" and "Endless Love" 768 00:38:35,816 --> 00:38:39,546 and then wants to be in a sitcom? 769 00:38:39,550 --> 00:38:42,090 -There´s a whole thing in the entertainment industry, 770 00:38:42,092 --> 00:38:46,402 which is women can´t be pretty and funny. 771 00:38:46,396 --> 00:38:51,426 You can´t be on the cover of magazines and be gorgeous 772 00:38:51,431 --> 00:38:53,931 and also go be a comedian. 773 00:38:53,934 --> 00:38:55,544 Pick a lane, bitch. 774 00:38:55,536 --> 00:38:57,806 -♫ Everybody wants a girl like Susan ♫ 775 00:38:57,808 --> 00:39:00,338 -The camaraderie with the cast 776 00:39:00,340 --> 00:39:03,810 was so energizing. 777 00:39:03,814 --> 00:39:05,784 "Suddenly Susan" was the first time 778 00:39:05,776 --> 00:39:10,846 I ever felt fully, fully, fully, fully where I was meant to be. 779 00:39:10,851 --> 00:39:12,551 You don´t know me as well as you think you do. 780 00:39:12,553 --> 00:39:14,123 -[ Chuckles ] I knew you were gonna say that. 781 00:39:16,887 --> 00:39:18,887 -You know I was gonna do that? Huh? 782 00:39:18,889 --> 00:39:20,759 How about that?! Huh? 783 00:39:20,761 --> 00:39:23,731 -Aah! Wait till I figure out how to get out of this thing. 784 00:39:23,734 --> 00:39:25,374 -I read the pilot to play her boss, 785 00:39:25,365 --> 00:39:28,095 and he was very weird, and I liked it. 786 00:39:28,098 --> 00:39:30,638 No question, it´s Brooke Shields´ show. 787 00:39:30,641 --> 00:39:32,471 This has everything going for it. 788 00:39:32,472 --> 00:39:33,642 -Shoulder bump and shoulder bump 789 00:39:33,644 --> 00:39:35,414 and pivot one, pivot two, 790 00:39:35,405 --> 00:39:36,775 How badly do you want it?! 791 00:39:36,777 --> 00:39:38,477 -I want it! 792 00:39:38,478 --> 00:39:40,548 -It wasn´t like she became funny. No. 793 00:39:40,551 --> 00:39:45,021 That was always there. We just didn´t get to see it. 794 00:39:45,015 --> 00:39:49,755 -The physical comedy, the throwing yourself into it, 795 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,560 was such a catharsis for me. 796 00:39:53,564 --> 00:39:56,634 Somebody cut! 797 00:39:56,627 --> 00:39:58,097 This award -- 798 00:39:58,098 --> 00:40:01,898 it represents the essence of why we do what we do. 799 00:40:01,902 --> 00:40:03,772 Network executives are just saying, 800 00:40:03,774 --> 00:40:05,614 "Well, we´ve got her, so that´s good. 801 00:40:05,606 --> 00:40:07,406 So just keep writing the same show and keep, you know -- 802 00:40:07,407 --> 00:40:09,037 have a trip and fall each episode, 803 00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:11,709 and that´ll be enough." 804 00:40:11,712 --> 00:40:15,022 [ Laughter ] 805 00:40:15,015 --> 00:40:18,645 I was like, "You guys, I´m not above falling off things. 806 00:40:18,649 --> 00:40:20,019 It´s always funny, 807 00:40:20,020 --> 00:40:23,190 but there´s got to be more to the comedy here. 808 00:40:23,193 --> 00:40:26,203 If you just use me in this one way, 809 00:40:26,196 --> 00:40:29,496 we´ll be gone as quickly as as we got here." 810 00:40:29,499 --> 00:40:33,629 I got a job in New York so that we could be together. 811 00:40:33,634 --> 00:40:35,114 It was supposed to be a surprise. 812 00:40:35,105 --> 00:40:37,065 And eventually the show got canceled, 813 00:40:37,067 --> 00:40:41,067 but it didn´t hinder my confidence. 814 00:40:41,071 --> 00:40:44,041 I think I did set out to say, 815 00:40:44,044 --> 00:40:47,154 "You all think I can´t do this, but just watch me." 816 00:40:47,147 --> 00:40:49,977 And I think the same thing was happening in college as well. 817 00:40:49,980 --> 00:40:51,820 You know, "She´s not gonna be serious. 818 00:40:51,822 --> 00:40:53,722 She´s not gonna be that bright." 819 00:40:53,724 --> 00:40:55,094 But I thought, you know what? 820 00:40:55,085 --> 00:40:57,025 I´m just gonna not only surprise them, 821 00:40:57,027 --> 00:40:58,687 but I´m gonna surprise myself 822 00:40:58,689 --> 00:41:00,989 because whatever I think I can do, 823 00:41:00,991 --> 00:41:04,461 I´m gonna push to be better in everything. 824 00:41:08,098 --> 00:41:13,498 That I met Chris, who was the first person 825 00:41:13,504 --> 00:41:16,014 that... 826 00:41:16,006 --> 00:41:20,206 I could be all of those things with. 827 00:41:20,210 --> 00:41:21,810 -How´d you meet? 828 00:41:21,812 --> 00:41:23,182 -He was writing a Christmas special 829 00:41:23,183 --> 00:41:24,623 that I was hosting. 830 00:41:24,615 --> 00:41:26,085 -You like him right away? -Right away. 831 00:41:26,086 --> 00:41:27,156 He´s very down to earth. 832 00:41:27,157 --> 00:41:28,787 -He was not intimidated? 833 00:41:28,789 --> 00:41:32,589 -I think he focuses on my more dorky side. 834 00:41:32,593 --> 00:41:37,033 Chris saw my comedy, and that was sort of how we met. 835 00:41:38,198 --> 00:41:41,768 It was a very difficult time 836 00:41:41,772 --> 00:41:44,742 coming out of a divorce. 837 00:41:44,735 --> 00:41:47,275 My dad got diagnosed with cancer. 838 00:41:47,277 --> 00:41:51,837 And here was this just normal guy, like -- 839 00:41:51,842 --> 00:41:56,252 you know, I mean, I had a big, big life. 840 00:41:56,246 --> 00:41:58,146 He just wasn´t fazed. 841 00:41:58,148 --> 00:42:01,848 He wasn´t fazed by my mother. He wasn´t fazed by my father. 842 00:42:01,852 --> 00:42:06,762 And he made me just feel worth all of it. 843 00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:13,029 -The second marriage was the more mature Brooke 844 00:42:13,033 --> 00:42:16,313 deciding what her life should look like. 845 00:42:16,306 --> 00:42:22,166 She had a much stronger sense of being on her own. 846 00:42:22,172 --> 00:42:24,212 -Let me see your tattoo, Christopher. 847 00:42:24,214 --> 00:42:25,824 -It´s right there. 848 00:42:25,816 --> 00:42:28,116 You might have to use a wide-angle lens 849 00:42:28,118 --> 00:42:29,918 ´cause the guns! 850 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,850 -We´re gonna watch this later. It´s going to be -- 851 00:42:31,852 --> 00:42:33,222 -In you´re gonna laugh because it´s done... 852 00:42:33,223 --> 00:42:35,793 -Porn. -...really nicely done. 853 00:42:35,786 --> 00:42:36,956 It´s tasteful. 854 00:42:36,957 --> 00:42:38,587 -[ Laughs ] It´s tasteful. 855 00:42:38,589 --> 00:42:40,329 Dad, put your arm around Mom for just a second. 856 00:42:40,330 --> 00:42:43,060 Just to -- a bit of a fantasy of mine come true. 857 00:42:43,063 --> 00:42:45,573 This one fantasy of mine come true in my life. 858 00:42:45,566 --> 00:42:47,866 Yes, there it is. There we go. 859 00:42:47,868 --> 00:42:50,998 [ Guitar playing ] 860 00:42:51,001 --> 00:42:56,211 -♫ Well, let´s give your heart to me ♫ 861 00:42:56,206 --> 00:43:02,776 ♫ Let´s bring heaven down here ♫ 862 00:43:02,783 --> 00:43:06,993 ♫ Let´s bring, yes, heaven ♫ 863 00:43:06,987 --> 00:43:09,217 ♫ Oh, down ♫ 864 00:43:09,219 --> 00:43:15,199 ♫ I don´t want to wait for the angels ♫ 865 00:43:15,195 --> 00:43:16,625 -Brooke and Chris, 866 00:43:16,627 --> 00:43:20,167 I now pronounce you man and wife. 867 00:43:20,170 --> 00:43:22,100 You may kiss the bride. 868 00:43:23,704 --> 00:43:26,614 [ Applause ] 869 00:43:26,607 --> 00:43:29,107 -What do you want to be when you grow up? 870 00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:31,239 -Well, I want to be a mother. 871 00:43:31,241 --> 00:43:32,881 I mean, I want to continue acting, 872 00:43:32,883 --> 00:43:34,923 but I also would like to be a mother, 873 00:43:34,915 --> 00:43:36,285 ´cause I love kids. 874 00:43:36,286 --> 00:43:40,646 ♫♫ 875 00:43:40,651 --> 00:43:44,391 I loved babies since I was a baby. 876 00:43:44,394 --> 00:43:48,034 I wanted to babysit before I was old enough. 877 00:43:48,028 --> 00:43:49,728 The only thing that I knew for sure 878 00:43:49,730 --> 00:43:53,000 was that I wanted to have kids. 879 00:43:53,003 --> 00:43:55,313 And we tried, 880 00:43:55,305 --> 00:43:58,735 and nothing was happening. 881 00:43:58,739 --> 00:44:02,039 I started doing IVF early, as quickly as I could, 882 00:44:02,042 --> 00:44:04,212 and then when it wasn´t working, 883 00:44:04,214 --> 00:44:07,754 I started going into this, "I´m being punished" part. 884 00:44:07,748 --> 00:44:09,248 I was like, "Something´s wrong with me. 885 00:44:09,249 --> 00:44:10,779 Oh, my God. I´m not meant to be a mother. 886 00:44:10,781 --> 00:44:12,151 How could this be? 887 00:44:12,152 --> 00:44:14,152 I´ve had too much that´s good in my life." 888 00:44:14,154 --> 00:44:15,964 And he was like, "Stop. 889 00:44:15,956 --> 00:44:18,286 You don´t have to do that anymore. 890 00:44:18,288 --> 00:44:19,928 You´re not being punished for anything. 891 00:44:19,930 --> 00:44:21,790 That´s not the way the world works. 892 00:44:21,792 --> 00:44:25,242 And, you know, snap out of it." [ Chuckles ] 893 00:44:25,235 --> 00:44:30,195 First time, after all the drugs, I get pregnant. 894 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,140 Three months later, I lose that baby. 895 00:44:33,143 --> 00:44:34,883 And he was like, "We´re gonna wait 896 00:44:34,875 --> 00:44:38,805 till we can do it again, and we´re gonna do it again." 897 00:44:38,809 --> 00:44:42,049 On the seventh transfer, 898 00:44:42,052 --> 00:44:43,982 I got pregnant 899 00:44:43,984 --> 00:44:46,064 and that was Rowan. 900 00:44:47,858 --> 00:44:51,758 It´s like one of the first times I really looked at myself. 901 00:44:51,762 --> 00:44:55,772 And I looked at this body, and it was growing 902 00:44:55,766 --> 00:44:57,066 and it had life in it, 903 00:44:57,067 --> 00:44:59,727 and I was sort of fuller and flushed, 904 00:44:59,730 --> 00:45:05,110 and I just thought, I feel sexier than ever, 905 00:45:05,105 --> 00:45:08,205 because it wasn´t just about me. 906 00:45:08,208 --> 00:45:10,808 You know, it was about this little person. 907 00:45:10,811 --> 00:45:12,141 There was a radiance to that. 908 00:45:12,142 --> 00:45:13,812 And that was one of the first times 909 00:45:13,814 --> 00:45:18,054 I was like, "I feel really good." 910 00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:23,490 I had this just vision of how I wanted to, 911 00:45:23,493 --> 00:45:25,303 you know, scream and sweat, you know, 912 00:45:25,295 --> 00:45:27,255 they put the baby on your chest and everything is good. 913 00:45:27,257 --> 00:45:29,427 -24 hours of labor. 914 00:45:29,429 --> 00:45:30,999 -You´re a little stubborn. 915 00:45:31,001 --> 00:45:33,301 -[ Laughs ] Little... -Just a little stubborn. 916 00:45:33,303 --> 00:45:36,013 You´re a little Taurus. 917 00:45:36,006 --> 00:45:38,966 And the cervix didn´t cooperate. 918 00:45:38,969 --> 00:45:40,969 So we´re gonna take you out 919 00:45:40,971 --> 00:45:42,811 so you can meet your mom and dad 920 00:45:42,813 --> 00:45:45,153 [cries] soon. 921 00:45:47,017 --> 00:45:48,747 -We´ll see you soon. 922 00:45:48,749 --> 00:45:51,279 -It went from, "We´re gonna really try to give you 923 00:45:51,281 --> 00:45:53,121 the experience you want" 924 00:45:53,123 --> 00:45:56,193 to emergency C-section 925 00:45:56,186 --> 00:46:00,426 to so much blood loss to... 926 00:46:00,430 --> 00:46:03,930 "You´re not gonna live through this." 927 00:46:03,934 --> 00:46:06,444 I labored for 24 hours, 928 00:46:06,436 --> 00:46:09,536 and finally Rowan was born. 929 00:46:09,540 --> 00:46:14,340 And everybody was rejoicing around me. 930 00:46:14,344 --> 00:46:18,014 -Here she had this baby, and it was so exciting. 931 00:46:18,008 --> 00:46:22,248 But it was pretty clear not long after they went home 932 00:46:22,252 --> 00:46:25,292 that something was a little off. 933 00:46:27,387 --> 00:46:29,187 -They thought it was the baby blues. 934 00:46:29,189 --> 00:46:31,789 They all thought, oh, all the moms cry 935 00:46:31,792 --> 00:46:34,292 and all the moms are exhausted. 936 00:46:34,294 --> 00:46:36,904 I just got back to our apartment, 937 00:46:36,897 --> 00:46:40,797 and I just gave Chris the baby, 938 00:46:40,801 --> 00:46:43,031 and I left. 939 00:46:43,033 --> 00:46:46,943 I just went to bed, and then I started taking long showers 940 00:46:46,937 --> 00:46:50,107 and it wouldn´t, you know -- I wouldn´t see anybody. 941 00:46:50,110 --> 00:46:54,890 I wouldn´t talk to anybody. I wouldn´t -- I just cried. 942 00:46:54,885 --> 00:46:58,115 -After she had Rowan, she kept asking me, like, 943 00:46:58,118 --> 00:47:00,188 "Did you feel this?" 944 00:47:00,190 --> 00:47:04,220 And, "How come I don´t want to hold her? 945 00:47:04,224 --> 00:47:06,464 Did you ever feel that, 946 00:47:06,456 --> 00:47:09,526 you know, you just didn´t want to be around your kids?" 947 00:47:09,530 --> 00:47:14,200 And after a while I said, "You know, this is not normal." 948 00:47:14,204 --> 00:47:17,074 -That turned into, "Oh, my God. 949 00:47:17,067 --> 00:47:19,937 All of these violent things are gonna happen to her." 950 00:47:19,940 --> 00:47:23,870 [ Voice breaking ] And I would see her little body... 951 00:47:23,874 --> 00:47:26,384 I would see her little body just... 952 00:47:26,376 --> 00:47:28,446 her, like, hurled at the wall 953 00:47:28,448 --> 00:47:30,248 and just lie down, slumped down. 954 00:47:30,250 --> 00:47:33,420 And I wasn´t throwing her. 955 00:47:33,423 --> 00:47:37,363 You know, I wasn´t the one, but I was... 956 00:47:37,357 --> 00:47:39,627 "What kind of a mother has these thoughts? 957 00:47:39,630 --> 00:47:45,500 I´m supposed to want to live, breathe, sleep with her." 958 00:47:45,495 --> 00:47:50,565 I was -- I was a monster. I was just, I was -- 959 00:47:50,571 --> 00:47:53,301 passed by things like the block with all the knives, 960 00:47:53,303 --> 00:47:57,283 and you´re like, "That could slice into her 961 00:47:57,277 --> 00:48:02,377 helpless, little, can´t-even-talk-yet body and --" 962 00:48:02,382 --> 00:48:03,912 Like, it was -- it was -- 963 00:48:03,914 --> 00:48:08,194 I thought I was going truly insane. 964 00:48:08,188 --> 00:48:12,658 -She wasn´t, though, talking about it immediately. 965 00:48:12,663 --> 00:48:15,673 And she put so much pressure on herself to be perfect 966 00:48:15,666 --> 00:48:18,126 that she wasn´t meeting her expectations 967 00:48:18,128 --> 00:48:19,568 for what she should feel like 968 00:48:19,570 --> 00:48:22,400 and how she should know how to do everything. 969 00:48:22,402 --> 00:48:24,372 -Nobody understood me, 970 00:48:24,374 --> 00:48:29,344 and my husband was just so at a loss, you know, 971 00:48:29,339 --> 00:48:35,049 and he said, "I went to go see other mothers 972 00:48:35,045 --> 00:48:37,015 buying things for their kids, 973 00:48:37,017 --> 00:48:38,917 and they were all humming and singing 974 00:48:38,919 --> 00:48:41,449 and holding their babies and loving on them." 975 00:48:41,451 --> 00:48:45,131 And he was like, "Why don´t you sing to her?" 976 00:48:45,125 --> 00:48:48,525 And I was like, "I -- she doesn´t need me. 977 00:48:48,529 --> 00:48:50,299 She doesn´t need me." 978 00:48:52,703 --> 00:48:56,573 Finally, someone who´s a doula said, 979 00:48:56,567 --> 00:48:59,407 "I think she has postpartum." 980 00:48:59,409 --> 00:49:04,579 And, you know, would I take some medication? 981 00:49:04,575 --> 00:49:06,575 -Getting the outside help she needed 982 00:49:06,577 --> 00:49:10,517 was really important for her to understand that it´s okay. 983 00:49:10,521 --> 00:49:12,551 Like, you don´t have to be perfect. 984 00:49:12,553 --> 00:49:15,133 You´ll get through to the other side. 985 00:49:15,125 --> 00:49:17,585 -I started seeing a postpartum therapist. 986 00:49:17,588 --> 00:49:20,658 Over the course of the next few months, 987 00:49:20,661 --> 00:49:23,291 I sort of started coming to my senses 988 00:49:23,293 --> 00:49:27,173 and being much more present in the room. 989 00:49:27,167 --> 00:49:30,567 I was working with an agent at the time, and he said, 990 00:49:30,571 --> 00:49:33,471 "You know, if you´re -- you should tell your story. 991 00:49:33,473 --> 00:49:35,083 You know, you should..." 992 00:49:35,075 --> 00:49:37,205 And I said, "Nobody´s gonna want to hear 993 00:49:37,207 --> 00:49:39,077 a celebrity on a soapbox. 994 00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:41,309 You know, ´I have everything and I get the baby of my dreams 995 00:49:41,311 --> 00:49:43,311 and I´m sad,´ you know?" 996 00:49:43,313 --> 00:49:47,193 He said, "You´ve been through that, 997 00:49:47,187 --> 00:49:48,517 and you could help people." 998 00:49:54,765 --> 00:49:58,095 -Brooke has written a new book called "Down Came the Rain: 999 00:49:58,098 --> 00:50:00,398 My Journey Through Postpartum Depression." 1000 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,540 -I decided to talk about the experience publicly 1001 00:50:04,535 --> 00:50:10,175 because I was made to feel that somehow I was -- 1002 00:50:10,180 --> 00:50:12,680 the fault was with me 1003 00:50:12,683 --> 00:50:14,383 and that it really wasn´t that common, 1004 00:50:14,384 --> 00:50:15,754 ´cause nobody was talking about it. 1005 00:50:15,746 --> 00:50:17,416 I thought I was going to look at her and I thought 1006 00:50:17,417 --> 00:50:20,417 I was going to see my soul in her eyes. 1007 00:50:20,420 --> 00:50:22,190 And you were gonna look at your baby -- 1008 00:50:22,192 --> 00:50:24,122 -Everything that everybody ever says -- 1009 00:50:24,124 --> 00:50:27,264 "It´s the most amazing moment of your life, and oh, my God." 1010 00:50:27,257 --> 00:50:29,297 -I don´t know how many people are really telling the truth, 1011 00:50:29,299 --> 00:50:31,429 ´cause I -- [ Laughter ] 1012 00:50:31,431 --> 00:50:33,561 I think it gave people permission 1013 00:50:33,564 --> 00:50:38,574 to feel these things and get help. 1014 00:50:38,569 --> 00:50:41,139 -She talked so publicly about something 1015 00:50:41,141 --> 00:50:48,181 that had been really dismissed by some people, 1016 00:50:48,178 --> 00:50:51,278 not recognized, not understood. 1017 00:50:51,281 --> 00:50:54,561 And she brought it much more out into the open, 1018 00:50:54,555 --> 00:50:58,655 really demystified it in some ways. 1019 00:50:58,659 --> 00:51:00,829 -You write that, "He was holding our little girl. 1020 00:51:00,831 --> 00:51:03,261 Chris looked optimistic and peaceful. 1021 00:51:03,263 --> 00:51:06,273 Wasn´t he lucky? I was bleeding buckets 1022 00:51:06,266 --> 00:51:07,536 and he was holding on tightly 1023 00:51:07,538 --> 00:51:10,838 to a perfect, frowning angel baby. 1024 00:51:10,841 --> 00:51:14,101 I stared at this glowing father-child image 1025 00:51:14,104 --> 00:51:17,114 and was bombarded with feelings of jealousy, 1026 00:51:17,107 --> 00:51:18,277 fear, and rage." 1027 00:51:18,278 --> 00:51:20,208 -There is a myth around 1028 00:51:20,210 --> 00:51:23,650 the ease with which birthing a child 1029 00:51:23,654 --> 00:51:25,594 and falling in love with your child 1030 00:51:25,586 --> 00:51:28,716 and being maternal naturally to your child 1031 00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,759 that came out of your body. 1032 00:51:30,761 --> 00:51:32,621 And it´s really a frightening thing 1033 00:51:32,623 --> 00:51:35,103 to have the picture look different. 1034 00:51:35,095 --> 00:51:36,665 -This reverts to the mommy myth 1035 00:51:36,667 --> 00:51:40,527 that every mother is inherently a naturally, you know -- 1036 00:51:40,531 --> 00:51:43,371 a committed, dedicated, you know, adoring, 1037 00:51:43,373 --> 00:51:46,483 and, you know, accomplished mother 1038 00:51:46,476 --> 00:51:48,106 and loves every minute of it. 1039 00:51:48,108 --> 00:51:50,238 And, of course, this isn´t true for anyone. 1040 00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:52,580 And I think when someone like Brooke Shields comes out 1041 00:51:52,583 --> 00:51:55,223 and talks about it, it makes a difference. 1042 00:51:55,215 --> 00:51:57,645 -And it wasn´t just about, you know, 1043 00:51:57,648 --> 00:52:00,118 wallowing in her own self experience. 1044 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,650 You know, she did it to... 1045 00:52:03,524 --> 00:52:05,304 ...to let people feel okay. 1046 00:52:05,295 --> 00:52:07,595 You know, and then that sort of became hijacked from her. 1047 00:52:07,598 --> 00:52:10,258 -There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance. 1048 00:52:10,260 --> 00:52:13,330 -Tom Cruise denounced her on the "Today" show. 1049 00:52:13,333 --> 00:52:14,743 -The thing that I´m saying about Brooke 1050 00:52:14,735 --> 00:52:18,135 is that there´s misinformation, okay? 1051 00:52:18,138 --> 00:52:20,908 And she doesn´t understand the history of psychiatry. 1052 00:52:20,911 --> 00:52:22,771 She doesn´t understand, in the same way 1053 00:52:22,773 --> 00:52:24,413 that you don´t understand it, Matt. 1054 00:52:24,414 --> 00:52:27,584 -Well, if anti-depressants work for Brooke Shields, 1055 00:52:27,578 --> 00:52:28,818 why isn´t that okay? 1056 00:52:28,819 --> 00:52:30,349 -I disagree with it. 1057 00:52:30,350 --> 00:52:32,580 -You´re attacked by one of the most powerful 1058 00:52:32,583 --> 00:52:34,733 male movie stars in the world. 1059 00:52:34,725 --> 00:52:37,155 You´re attacked for seeing a psychiatrist, 1060 00:52:37,157 --> 00:52:39,657 for taking meds. 1061 00:52:39,660 --> 00:52:42,560 -She doesn´t know what these drugs are. 1062 00:52:42,563 --> 00:52:44,873 And for her to promote it is irresponsible. 1063 00:52:44,865 --> 00:52:48,565 -Tom Cruise taking a position of authority like that -- 1064 00:52:48,569 --> 00:52:50,299 it´s a risk. 1065 00:52:50,300 --> 00:52:54,300 And, boy, oh, boy, Brooke responded to that. 1066 00:52:54,304 --> 00:52:55,614 -And then what does she do? 1067 00:52:55,606 --> 00:52:58,446 She writes a very serious op-ed piece 1068 00:52:58,448 --> 00:52:59,678 in "The New York Times." 1069 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,280 This was a very sober, rational, 1070 00:53:03,283 --> 00:53:05,663 thoughtful, and informative piece. 1071 00:53:05,656 --> 00:53:06,886 It was brilliant. 1072 00:53:06,887 --> 00:53:09,187 -In "The New York Times," 1073 00:53:09,189 --> 00:53:14,599 responding to this accusation of basically bad parenting 1074 00:53:14,595 --> 00:53:16,365 being a bad mom, 1075 00:53:16,366 --> 00:53:19,226 echoes of the past. 1076 00:53:19,229 --> 00:53:22,699 Brooke just stated her case. 1077 00:53:22,703 --> 00:53:24,813 That´s a girl with a big brain. 1078 00:53:24,805 --> 00:53:26,805 She not just has a big brain ´cause she´s six feet tall. 1079 00:53:26,807 --> 00:53:28,507 She´s got a big brain. 1080 00:53:28,509 --> 00:53:30,439 -"To suggest that I should have taken vitamins 1081 00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,210 and exercised shows an utter lack of understanding 1082 00:53:33,213 --> 00:53:36,453 about postpartum depression," Shields shot back. 1083 00:53:36,446 --> 00:53:39,346 Today, doctors overwhelmingly say Cruise, 1084 00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:41,549 who insists he´s read all the research, 1085 00:53:41,552 --> 00:53:42,852 is misinformed. 1086 00:53:42,853 --> 00:53:44,803 -Do you think that if you had just done 1087 00:53:44,795 --> 00:53:47,355 exercise and vitamins, you could have gotten better? 1088 00:53:47,357 --> 00:53:49,457 [ Laughter ] 1089 00:53:49,459 --> 00:53:51,759 -I -- -Why y´all laughing? 1090 00:53:51,762 --> 00:53:54,432 [ Laughter ] 1091 00:53:54,434 --> 00:53:56,344 -And it was so ridiculous to me. 1092 00:53:56,336 --> 00:53:59,236 It´s not about the moral thing 1093 00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,869 or the right thing or the good thing. 1094 00:54:01,872 --> 00:54:04,342 It´s about who has more power. 1095 00:54:04,344 --> 00:54:07,724 -Her remark that he should stick to fighting aliens -- 1096 00:54:07,718 --> 00:54:11,318 that was a fascinating display of her new persona. 1097 00:54:11,321 --> 00:54:16,031 Not a sex symbol, but a morally courageous person. 1098 00:54:16,026 --> 00:54:18,686 -Tom Cruise told actress Brooke Shields this week 1099 00:54:18,689 --> 00:54:21,659 that he is sorry for publicly criticizing her last year. 1100 00:54:21,662 --> 00:54:23,392 -After Brooke´s appearance on the show, 1101 00:54:23,393 --> 00:54:24,873 we received letters from women all over the world 1102 00:54:24,865 --> 00:54:27,735 who said Brooke´s courage changed their lives. 1103 00:54:27,738 --> 00:54:29,868 -I understand with the road to the worst could feel like, 1104 00:54:29,870 --> 00:54:33,370 and so now I´m -- I´m so much more educated 1105 00:54:33,373 --> 00:54:34,783 on myself and my body. 1106 00:54:34,775 --> 00:54:36,745 More people started talking about it. 1107 00:54:36,747 --> 00:54:40,047 You know, we were able to change some legislation. 1108 00:54:40,050 --> 00:54:41,780 -Just two days before Mother´s Day, 1109 00:54:41,782 --> 00:54:43,912 the Senate including legislation 1110 00:54:43,914 --> 00:54:47,324 for new research into postpartum depression. 1111 00:54:47,317 --> 00:54:50,917 Actress Brooke Shields on hand to help introduce the measure. 1112 00:54:50,921 --> 00:54:52,591 -And the knowledge of postpartum 1113 00:54:52,593 --> 00:54:56,403 is a tool that I believe all women deserve. 1114 00:54:56,396 --> 00:54:57,966 -The MOTHERS Act is also expected 1115 00:54:57,968 --> 00:55:00,398 to help doctors discover new treatment 1116 00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,300 for women suffering from the illness. 1117 00:55:02,302 --> 00:55:06,842 -That kind of changed everything for me. 1118 00:55:06,837 --> 00:55:08,007 Are you so cozy? 1119 00:55:08,008 --> 00:55:09,578 -Yeah. -Ah! 1120 00:55:09,580 --> 00:55:10,680 -Can you count? 1121 00:55:10,681 --> 00:55:11,781 -Yeah. -Okay, count. 1122 00:55:11,782 --> 00:55:13,312 -One. -Mm-hmm. 1123 00:55:13,313 --> 00:55:14,853 -Two. -Mm-hmm. 1124 00:55:14,845 --> 00:55:17,885 And then when my second child, Grier, was born, 1125 00:55:17,888 --> 00:55:20,488 I was so much more prepared. 1126 00:55:20,490 --> 00:55:24,730 -Eight, nine, and ten! 1127 00:55:24,725 --> 00:55:26,795 -Ooh! [ Laughs ] 1128 00:55:26,797 --> 00:55:34,667 ♫♫ 1129 00:55:34,665 --> 00:55:36,605 When I was born, my mother, I mean -- 1130 00:55:36,607 --> 00:55:37,967 she was so afraid I was gonna die, 1131 00:55:37,968 --> 00:55:40,038 she slept with me strapped to her chest. 1132 00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,370 She tried to keep me there basically 1133 00:55:42,372 --> 00:55:44,552 for the rest of my life. 1134 00:55:44,545 --> 00:55:46,445 It got a little awkward 1135 00:55:46,446 --> 00:55:49,046 as I got bigger, you know? 1136 00:55:49,049 --> 00:55:52,449 But there was that feeling that I was so afraid 1137 00:55:52,452 --> 00:55:54,892 that she would be gone from me, too. 1138 00:55:56,456 --> 00:56:01,586 In the later years of her life, she was just acting differently. 1139 00:56:01,592 --> 00:56:03,932 I took her to get evaluated. 1140 00:56:03,934 --> 00:56:05,444 The doctor took me aside and said, 1141 00:56:05,435 --> 00:56:08,495 "She´s -- she really has early signs of, 1142 00:56:08,498 --> 00:56:12,498 you know, dementia, but it could be rapid." 1143 00:56:12,502 --> 00:56:17,552 So that´s when we, you know, found a facility for her. 1144 00:56:17,548 --> 00:56:19,108 But I said, "I love you. 1145 00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:21,549 I will come at any moment here in the middle of the night. 1146 00:56:21,552 --> 00:56:23,912 They´ll call me." 1147 00:56:23,914 --> 00:56:26,164 I didn´t know what else to say. 1148 00:56:28,759 --> 00:56:30,159 There was never a goodbye. 1149 00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,120 There was never a, "I´ve always loved you. 1150 00:56:32,122 --> 00:56:36,172 Thank you," or, "You´ve been a great mom." 1151 00:56:36,166 --> 00:56:40,596 And when she died, there´s no real kind of closure 1152 00:56:40,601 --> 00:56:44,101 or anything beautiful about it. 1153 00:56:44,104 --> 00:56:47,814 But I sort of had said goodbye a long time ago. 1154 00:56:47,808 --> 00:56:53,578 ♫♫ 1155 00:56:53,584 --> 00:56:58,694 I used to believe that if my mother died, I would die. 1156 00:56:58,689 --> 00:57:04,859 And it wasn´t going to be until she didn´t exist on this Earth 1157 00:57:04,855 --> 00:57:07,525 that I would truly then would be on my own. 1158 00:57:07,528 --> 00:57:13,158 And there´s a -- there is some truth to that, you know, 1159 00:57:13,163 --> 00:57:18,843 some archetypal truth, I think, for me, anyway. 1160 00:57:18,839 --> 00:57:20,569 -She´s grown up. 1161 00:57:20,571 --> 00:57:22,211 And it´s hard for me to understand that 1162 00:57:22,212 --> 00:57:23,972 because we were so close. 1163 00:57:23,974 --> 00:57:26,924 And to have been able to turn around and realize 1164 00:57:26,917 --> 00:57:28,677 that she´s her own person 1165 00:57:28,679 --> 00:57:31,879 and do the things she wants to do independently, 1166 00:57:31,882 --> 00:57:35,692 and I´m very proud of her for that. 1167 00:57:35,686 --> 00:57:39,026 -You raise your kids to let them fly. 1168 00:57:39,029 --> 00:57:42,829 My flying was the thing that most terrified her. 1169 00:57:42,833 --> 00:57:45,743 And then she was gone. 1170 00:57:45,736 --> 00:57:54,136 ♫♫ 1171 00:58:01,552 --> 00:58:03,852 Hmm. This is me thinking. 1172 00:58:03,854 --> 00:58:06,824 Hmm. This is a sign of thinking. 1173 00:58:06,817 --> 00:58:08,887 Hmm. Hmm. 1174 00:58:08,889 --> 00:58:10,159 [ Laughs ] 1175 00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:11,960 Look, I´m dancing with life. 1176 00:58:11,962 --> 00:58:14,062 Wait a minute. I´m also serious. 1177 00:58:14,064 --> 00:58:18,174 Look at me. This is me as a businesswoman. 1178 00:58:18,168 --> 00:58:21,598 This is me playful! [ Laughs ] 1179 00:58:21,602 --> 00:58:24,582 I´m looking towards the future. What is in my future? 1180 00:58:24,575 --> 00:58:26,635 What is the next move for Brooke Shields? 1181 00:58:26,637 --> 00:58:27,977 [ Laughs ] 1182 00:58:27,978 --> 00:58:33,908 ♫♫ 1183 00:58:33,914 --> 00:58:36,624 -Oh, you´re doing dishes, Grier? -Apparently. 1184 00:58:36,617 --> 00:58:38,587 [ Laughter ] 1185 00:58:40,020 --> 00:58:43,220 -When Grier wanted to model, 1186 00:58:43,223 --> 00:58:44,933 I said, "No, no, no, no." 1187 00:58:44,925 --> 00:58:46,625 That´s all I said was, "No." 1188 00:58:46,627 --> 00:58:48,657 And then at a certain point, I thought, 1189 00:58:48,659 --> 00:58:52,999 Oh, my God, it´s not gonna matter what you say. 1190 00:58:53,003 --> 00:58:56,743 If she wants to do this, she´s gonna do it. 1191 00:58:56,737 --> 00:58:58,967 So she´s gonna do it. 1192 00:58:58,969 --> 00:59:04,009 I better help her get on the right start. 1193 00:59:04,014 --> 00:59:07,924 I know this industry is predicated on eating its young. 1194 00:59:07,918 --> 00:59:11,918 Like, it wants to devour them. 1195 00:59:11,922 --> 00:59:13,882 You know, I try to learn from my experience 1196 00:59:13,884 --> 00:59:16,194 and protect my girls now. 1197 00:59:16,186 --> 00:59:18,656 And I don´t know exactly how to do it. 1198 00:59:18,659 --> 00:59:20,929 -Everybody get your phone at the table, please, 1199 00:59:20,931 --> 00:59:23,661 and check your social media. 1200 00:59:23,664 --> 00:59:26,674 Take some photos of the food for your social media. 1201 00:59:26,667 --> 00:59:29,137 [ Laughter ] 1202 00:59:29,139 --> 00:59:31,739 -The steak is so good, Dad. -Oh, good. 1203 00:59:31,742 --> 00:59:34,652 -Yeah, the whole thing is so good. 1204 00:59:34,645 --> 00:59:37,045 -There was something I wanted to watch the other week. 1205 00:59:37,047 --> 00:59:40,047 It was like the "Gossip Girl" for adults. 1206 00:59:40,050 --> 00:59:41,910 -"Lipstick Jungle." 1207 00:59:41,912 --> 00:59:45,222 -I feel like it was like old people and "Gossip Girl." 1208 00:59:45,215 --> 00:59:48,885 -Okay. Jesus Christ. -I´m not wrong. 1209 00:59:48,889 --> 00:59:52,759 -Yeah. Ah. Mm. Slightly. 1210 00:59:52,763 --> 00:59:55,903 You never saw any of my earlier movies. 1211 00:59:55,896 --> 00:59:58,726 You haven´t seen "Pretty Baby." You haven´t seen "Blue Lagoon." 1212 00:59:58,729 --> 01:00:00,269 You haven´t even seen "Endless Love." 1213 01:00:00,270 --> 01:00:04,100 -No. I will never, ever watch "Blue Lagoon." 1214 01:00:04,104 --> 01:00:06,984 Sorry. -Okay. 1215 01:00:06,977 --> 01:00:08,677 -Why not "Blue Lagoon"? 1216 01:00:08,679 --> 01:00:10,779 -´Cause she´s, like, naked. 1217 01:00:10,781 --> 01:00:13,081 I see "Pretty Baby" edits on TikTok, 1218 01:00:13,083 --> 01:00:15,223 and it makes me not want to watch it. 1219 01:00:15,215 --> 01:00:17,985 ´Cause it´s like the movie itself is, like -- 1220 01:00:17,988 --> 01:00:19,848 this is nothing against -- no, no, no, no, no. 1221 01:00:19,850 --> 01:00:21,250 -I´m not taking this personally. 1222 01:00:21,251 --> 01:00:25,031 -I´m saying the movie itself is, like, about... 1223 01:00:25,025 --> 01:00:27,955 something that´s not okay now, right? 1224 01:00:27,958 --> 01:00:29,398 -I´m not disagreeing with you. 1225 01:00:29,399 --> 01:00:33,129 It is a -- it was a true story about something 1226 01:00:33,133 --> 01:00:35,913 that actually happened in the early 1900s. 1227 01:00:35,906 --> 01:00:40,706 So that to depict that now would not be permittable. 1228 01:00:40,711 --> 01:00:42,641 -That´s what -- okay, so yes. 1229 01:00:42,643 --> 01:00:44,213 -I´m agreeing with you, but it´s important 1230 01:00:44,214 --> 01:00:45,424 to make the distinction. 1231 01:00:45,415 --> 01:00:47,045 -Yes, I understand it was okay once, 1232 01:00:47,047 --> 01:00:49,347 but now it´s just, like, a different -- 1233 01:00:49,349 --> 01:00:52,949 -See, I never saw "Pretty Baby." Is there nudity in it? 1234 01:00:52,953 --> 01:00:54,283 -Yes. -Are you nude? 1235 01:00:54,284 --> 01:00:56,994 -I´m nude twice. -Mm. 1236 01:00:56,987 --> 01:00:59,157 -With my little 11-year-old body. 1237 01:00:59,159 --> 01:01:01,029 -That´s weird. -That´s weird. 1238 01:01:01,031 --> 01:01:03,161 -Okay, what´s weird about that? 1239 01:01:03,163 --> 01:01:05,173 -This is nothing against the movie. I don´t want -- 1240 01:01:05,165 --> 01:01:06,765 -There´s no judgment. I do not -- 1241 01:01:06,767 --> 01:01:08,837 I´m interested in that concept. 1242 01:01:08,839 --> 01:01:10,299 What is weird about that? 1243 01:01:10,300 --> 01:01:11,870 -During that time it came out, 1244 01:01:11,872 --> 01:01:14,172 and that was considered something 1245 01:01:14,174 --> 01:01:17,414 that was, like, very well done, very well-written. 1246 01:01:17,407 --> 01:01:18,877 Like, you were great in it. 1247 01:01:18,879 --> 01:01:21,949 -Only in Europe. -Only in Europe? Oh. 1248 01:01:21,952 --> 01:01:24,252 -Why wouldn´t you be able to see that movie today? 1249 01:01:24,254 --> 01:01:26,324 Why wouldn´t that movie be able to be made today? 1250 01:01:26,316 --> 01:01:27,916 -Like, it´s just everything´s changed. 1251 01:01:27,918 --> 01:01:30,388 -It´s called child pornography, technically. 1252 01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:32,790 -Also, just, like, everything is different now. 1253 01:01:32,793 --> 01:01:34,363 -You do have shows like "Euphoria" where, you know, 1254 01:01:34,364 --> 01:01:37,304 you have girls that are young playing characters 1255 01:01:37,297 --> 01:01:40,367 that do go through sexual things, but -- 1256 01:01:40,370 --> 01:01:41,870 -Yeah, but they´re not 11. 1257 01:01:41,872 --> 01:01:46,212 They´re all like 25 playing like 16. 1258 01:01:46,206 --> 01:01:48,006 -Oh, really? -Yeah. 1259 01:01:48,008 --> 01:01:51,338 Like, all of those people, they´re like over 21, like... 1260 01:01:51,341 --> 01:01:54,311 -Sydney Sweeney´s actually 24. 1261 01:01:54,314 --> 01:01:56,424 And so there wasn´t really a negative, like, backlash. 1262 01:01:56,416 --> 01:01:59,186 -She was old enough to consent to it. 1263 01:01:59,189 --> 01:02:00,889 You were 11. 1264 01:02:00,891 --> 01:02:04,291 You weren´t mature enough to be making your own decisions. 1265 01:02:04,294 --> 01:02:06,734 And other people signed off, being like, 1266 01:02:06,727 --> 01:02:08,027 "Oh, no, she´s fine. 1267 01:02:08,028 --> 01:02:11,258 You can take her top off. She´s fine." 1268 01:02:11,261 --> 01:02:13,331 -Okay, then let me ask you about TikTok 1269 01:02:13,333 --> 01:02:15,313 and let me ask you about Instagram. 1270 01:02:15,305 --> 01:02:17,135 When I see -- okay, by the way -- 1271 01:02:17,137 --> 01:02:19,067 -How is that different from...? 1272 01:02:19,069 --> 01:02:21,469 -You´re like 16. -Okay. All right. 1273 01:02:21,471 --> 01:02:24,951 -And I can post myself in a bikini... 1274 01:02:24,945 --> 01:02:28,845 -She´s posting it herself. -I´m posting it myself. 1275 01:02:28,849 --> 01:02:30,819 -Okay, so there´s ownership of... 1276 01:02:30,821 --> 01:02:31,981 -Yeah -You look gorgeous. 1277 01:02:31,982 --> 01:02:33,452 -Yes. -You do, too. 1278 01:02:33,453 --> 01:02:35,963 Like, and you should feel that. 1279 01:02:35,956 --> 01:02:38,156 Is that empowering? 1280 01:02:38,158 --> 01:02:39,188 -Yes. -Yeah. 1281 01:02:39,189 --> 01:02:40,459 -Okay. 1282 01:02:40,460 --> 01:02:42,860 You´re creating your own self-confidence. 1283 01:02:42,863 --> 01:02:44,133 -Yes. 1284 01:02:44,134 --> 01:02:46,904 -Are you -- [ Laughs ] -What? 1285 01:02:46,897 --> 01:02:48,897 -You´ve been invited to this dinner, you know. 1286 01:02:48,899 --> 01:02:50,899 -I´m just listening and learning. 1287 01:02:50,901 --> 01:02:52,271 -Learning from their -- 1288 01:02:52,272 --> 01:02:57,552 They´re being so honest and articulate. 1289 01:02:57,548 --> 01:02:59,478 -You know, it´s good to hear. It´s interesting. 1290 01:02:59,479 --> 01:03:01,549 -Would you have let us at the age of 11 -- 1291 01:03:01,552 --> 01:03:04,152 -No. -Yeah. 1292 01:03:04,154 --> 01:03:07,024 -So why? Am I a hypocrite? Like... 1293 01:03:07,017 --> 01:03:09,157 -No. -You weren´t a mom then. 1294 01:03:09,159 --> 01:03:10,889 -Yeah. -You were the model. 1295 01:03:10,891 --> 01:03:13,161 You weren´t the -- you were looking to your mom, 1296 01:03:13,163 --> 01:03:14,533 and she had all the answers, 1297 01:03:14,525 --> 01:03:16,425 and so you weren´t gonna question that. 1298 01:03:16,426 --> 01:03:18,126 -Right. 1299 01:03:18,128 --> 01:03:20,128 -You also weren´t the only one, you know? 1300 01:03:20,130 --> 01:03:24,430 Like, you weren´t the only underage, like, female 1301 01:03:24,434 --> 01:03:28,514 being oversexualized in this film industry 1302 01:03:28,509 --> 01:03:30,009 during this time. 1303 01:03:30,010 --> 01:03:32,110 I would love for you to get on a show, 1304 01:03:32,112 --> 01:03:34,412 like, something the young kids watch. 1305 01:03:34,414 --> 01:03:37,994 -Something the young whippersnappers watch? 1306 01:03:37,988 --> 01:03:39,088 -Yeah. 1307 01:03:39,089 --> 01:03:41,119 -I loved "Friends." 1308 01:03:41,121 --> 01:03:44,191 "Leap of Faith." -[ Speaks indistinctly ] 1309 01:03:44,194 --> 01:03:46,064 -Oh, "Chalet Girl." That´s good. 1310 01:03:46,056 --> 01:03:49,056 -Oh! No! "Hot Flashes." 1311 01:03:49,059 --> 01:03:51,599 -"And I took ´em to the curb and I said, 1312 01:03:51,602 --> 01:03:54,302 ´Put a boot up my butt,´ and walked away." 1313 01:03:54,304 --> 01:03:55,944 It´s always random lines that are like... 1314 01:03:55,936 --> 01:04:00,336 "And I said to him, ´Oh, please, I´m drowning. 1315 01:04:00,340 --> 01:04:01,970 Can you please get me from the water?´ 1316 01:04:01,972 --> 01:04:04,442 ´Find a way to lose, ma´am.´" 1317 01:04:04,444 --> 01:04:08,054 -[ Laughs ] 1318 01:04:08,048 --> 01:04:11,418 You never told me you watched any of these. 1319 01:04:11,421 --> 01:04:13,181 [ Laughs ] 1320 01:04:14,555 --> 01:04:17,585 My girls are so in their own bodies and skin, 1321 01:04:17,588 --> 01:04:22,588 and they have their own opinions and they voice them. 1322 01:04:24,064 --> 01:04:27,474 I wasn´t told it was important to have agency. 1323 01:04:27,467 --> 01:04:30,337 ´Cause my mom could have it for me 1324 01:04:30,340 --> 01:04:35,250 or directors I was working with or those, you know, industry. 1325 01:04:35,245 --> 01:04:39,645 Now it´s like I´m allowed to be a human being. 1326 01:04:39,650 --> 01:04:43,480 Having daughters changed me because they´ve taught me that. 1327 01:04:45,516 --> 01:04:49,456 -It´s shocking to me how dangerous 1328 01:04:49,459 --> 01:04:53,259 the young child actors lane is 1329 01:04:53,263 --> 01:04:56,333 and how many traumatic outcomes it has. 1330 01:04:56,326 --> 01:04:59,196 I love Brooke´s tone about it. 1331 01:04:59,199 --> 01:05:03,169 It´s like we´re moving forward in life, 1332 01:05:03,173 --> 01:05:06,383 and now we get to be on home plate, 1333 01:05:06,376 --> 01:05:11,136 in charge of our destinies as adults. 1334 01:05:11,141 --> 01:05:13,541 But now we also get to care for kids 1335 01:05:13,544 --> 01:05:16,494 and figure out what that journey is. 1336 01:05:16,486 --> 01:05:18,616 -Literally cannot get any better than that. 1337 01:05:18,619 --> 01:05:21,219 -Tell the group here about what you´re working on. 1338 01:05:21,221 --> 01:05:23,551 -I just started my own company, 1339 01:05:23,554 --> 01:05:26,934 a very quickly growing platform and website. 1340 01:05:26,927 --> 01:05:29,557 That´s my own brand focused on well-being 1341 01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:33,000 for a community that I really care about. 1342 01:05:33,003 --> 01:05:35,443 The more I started talking to women over 40, 1343 01:05:35,435 --> 01:05:37,535 the more I started realizing 1344 01:05:37,538 --> 01:05:39,638 how many incredible pivots there were. 1345 01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:46,420 Looking back, I believe I came through it in spite of a lot, 1346 01:05:46,416 --> 01:05:50,316 you know, being reduced to this, being reduced to that. 1347 01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,550 Many women feel that. 1348 01:05:53,554 --> 01:05:58,364 When that´s the culture that my mother struggled with, too. 1349 01:06:00,490 --> 01:06:04,700 -I think everybody has a little, like, Brooke Shields narrative 1350 01:06:04,695 --> 01:06:07,165 stuck in them, because what happened to her 1351 01:06:07,167 --> 01:06:10,367 and the way people talked about her and the perception of her 1352 01:06:10,370 --> 01:06:13,070 isn´t really about her as an individual. 1353 01:06:13,073 --> 01:06:15,553 It´s just about women. 1354 01:06:15,546 --> 01:06:19,306 -I don´t see that a lot has changed. 1355 01:06:19,309 --> 01:06:21,109 Young people are just working so hard 1356 01:06:21,111 --> 01:06:24,561 to live up to these unattainable standards. 1357 01:06:24,555 --> 01:06:27,615 They have to epitomize a certain type of femininity 1358 01:06:27,618 --> 01:06:29,758 in order to be desirable to men. 1359 01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:33,760 Everything else is sort of less valued, less important. 1360 01:06:33,764 --> 01:06:37,674 -Children are catapulted into the world of adult sexuality 1361 01:06:37,668 --> 01:06:39,398 when they´re very, very young 1362 01:06:39,399 --> 01:06:42,129 by the kinds of images on social media 1363 01:06:42,132 --> 01:06:46,782 and in films and all of that long before they can process it. 1364 01:06:46,777 --> 01:06:51,277 How do you fight a toxic cultural environment? 1365 01:06:51,281 --> 01:06:56,151 -Every generation of feminism has multiple fights to have, 1366 01:06:56,146 --> 01:06:58,286 and this one continues. 1367 01:06:58,288 --> 01:07:00,748 [ Indistinct conversation ] 1368 01:07:04,695 --> 01:07:07,655 -It´s the first time in about 56 years 1369 01:07:07,658 --> 01:07:12,328 that I´m actually just owning my identity fully. 1370 01:07:15,305 --> 01:07:17,765 I had to go through all of what I went through 1371 01:07:17,768 --> 01:07:21,608 to be able to really own this period of time in my life. 1372 01:07:24,645 --> 01:07:27,675 I had to make it known that Brooke Shields -- 1373 01:07:27,678 --> 01:07:30,548 one word, the commodity -- 1374 01:07:30,551 --> 01:07:35,091 that wasn´t who I was, 1375 01:07:35,085 --> 01:07:36,625 and to view that persona 1376 01:07:36,627 --> 01:07:39,187 as something that´s just over there, 1377 01:07:39,189 --> 01:07:41,129 that´s not fully who you are. 1378 01:07:41,131 --> 01:07:43,561 It´s not gonna take anything from you. 1379 01:07:43,564 --> 01:07:47,174 You inhabit it, but you leave it and you come home. 1380 01:07:47,167 --> 01:07:55,077 ♫♫ 1381 01:07:55,075 --> 01:08:02,805 ♫♫ 1382 01:08:02,813 --> 01:08:10,723 ♫♫ 1383 01:08:13,323 --> 01:08:23,273 ♫♫ 1384 01:08:23,273 --> 01:08:33,243 ♫♫ 1385 01:08:33,243 --> 01:08:43,193 ♫♫ 1386 01:08:43,193 --> 01:08:53,163 ♫♫ 1387 01:08:53,163 --> 01:09:02,913 ♫♫ 1388 01:09:02,913 --> 01:09:12,853 ♫♫ 1389 01:09:12,853 --> 01:09:22,833 ♫♫ 1390 01:09:22,833 --> 01:09:32,773 ♫♫ 1391 01:09:32,773 --> 01:09:42,713 ♫♫ 1392 01:09:42,713 --> 01:09:52,693 ♫♫ 1393 01:09:52,693 --> 01:10:02,633 ♫♫ 1394 01:10:02,633 --> 01:10:12,613 ♫♫ 1395 01:10:12,613 --> 01:10:22,553 ♫♫ 1396 01:10:22,603 --> 01:10:27,153 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 107033

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