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- Come on, you guys!
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You know I can't bend over.
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Basketball was just
about my whole life
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when I was growin' up.
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I wanted people to like me,
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and like any kid
when they're young,
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and get a lot of
attention, I suppose.
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I've been asked
over and over again,
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"Did you start the jump shot?"
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I've had sports writers
get pretty upset with me
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'cause that's what
they want me to say.
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What else could they talk about?
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There's nobody today hardlyalive that saw me play.
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I've experienced
much in my lifetime.
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I've had to let go of things
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that were really
important to me.
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And I like I say, it'snice to know who you are,
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and where you're goin'when you leave this world.
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- The shot
is the jump shot.
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- It's up to Jenkins
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for the championship!
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Look at those little champions!
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- The jump shot'sin every part of the game.
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- Puts it up.
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Yes!
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- Nothing has ever
changed a sport
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like the jump shot
changed basketball.
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- Smart takes the shot!
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- When you'retalking about the jump shot,
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you're talking about the
very fabric of the game.
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- You don't realizethat there was a time
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that there was no jump shot.
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- When it was sideshot game, you needed space.
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- You had to be wide open,
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or you couldn't
get your shot off.
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- It's almost like
they were playing
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in slow motion defensively.
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How you allowed that guyto even get that shot off.
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- Basketball is a
game of innovation.
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Before you know it,
you've made up something
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that nobody has seen before.
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- In Kenny Sailors'
case, like Edison,
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who would have known what thislittle light bulb could do?
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- There's no question,
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it was--
- The uniqueness
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was they jumped.
- We're talkin'
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probably 65 years later,
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that's the shot people
are still taking.
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- This shot lasted throughgenerations and generations,
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and has made it to theWarriors, to Steph Curry,
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the greatest shooter
you'll ever play.
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- Curry switched defense
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behind the back!
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Fires a three!
- If I can't play
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above the rim, so the jumpshot is my only weapon.
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- Oh, he puts it in!
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- You can go
anywhere in the world,
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and they're shooting
Kenny's shot.
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- Where is--
- Kenny Sailors.
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- Kenny--- Sailors has few equals.
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- He's an
American original.
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- People just
forgot who he was.
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- He disappeared for so long.- Sometimes history gets lost,
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and that's what happenedwith Kenny Sailors' story.
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History lost his story.
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- Yeah, we're talkin'about the jump shot, right?
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- Yeah--
- Or the guy
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who found the jump
shot, or somethin'?
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- Do you
know who that guy is?
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- No.
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- I don't know, 'cause, I mean.
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- What do you mean
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invented the jump shot?
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No one invented the jump shot.
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- Wait, there wasn't a
jump shot at one point?
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- First of all,
there's skepticism.
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Nah, I did.
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- How do you know he was
the first jump shooter?
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I mean, that's everybody'sfirst question.
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How you gonna call thisguy the first jump shooter?
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- Let me see how dumb
or how smart you are.
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- I'd never really put
a lot of thought into
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who was the first guy
that ever shot one.
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- Okay, here's the deal.
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Who is the guy that
invented the jump shot?
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- About eight
years ago, I guess,
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I started looking at, well,who could've done this?
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- When I took over theFeatures Department at CBS,
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the editor that leftleft me a pile of stories
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that he thought would
be worth pursuing,
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and I was goin'
through, and I saw
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"Kenny Sailors, inventor
of the jump shot".
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The first time I
ever heard the name.
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- Are you sittin' down?
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People think better on theirass than they do on their feet.
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- There was a lot of tales andfables about this and that,
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but I kept coming to thisstory of Kenny Sailors,
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and it just led to Laramie,Wyoming of all places.
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- You'll have enough wildstories to talk about
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when you get back.
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- Well, now you're next.
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That one guy had to go.
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- No, is that right?
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- Yeah, he had to go to class.
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- Okay, well.
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- He's 90 goin' on 70.
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He just keep on goin'.
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- Right.
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Yeah, I'll be up there too much
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probably for too long.
- See, well, yeah.
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Well, you don't know how long.
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- Well, how long could it be
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when you--
- Well, you've probably
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gone longer than
you thought already.
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- Oh, well, .
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Don't ask me why.
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I don't know.
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Probably just to harass
barbers like you.
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- Every time he comesin here somebody knows him.
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- He's pretty popular.
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- I'm not popular, that
jump shot's popular.
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- That's what people are
really intrigued with,
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basketball and the jump shot.
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The jump shot, the jump
shot, the jump shot.
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His whole life changed
that day he decided
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to jump in the air, and
shoot over his brother.
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- I grew up about seven oreight miles south of Hillsdale,
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and Hillsdale, I don't imagine,
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had 50 people in the whole town.
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But anyway, basketball
was their sport,
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because they couldn't
afford football,
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or these other sports,
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and, certainly,
durin' the Depression.
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My brother was a good ballplayer, and a good athlete,
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and the coach liked
him there in Hillsdale.
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He told him he had a kid brother
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who's just learned
to play the game,
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and that they'd surelike to have a basketball
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he could take out,
and give to him.
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And, of course, we didn'thave any place to play,
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but he fixed a backboard,
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and we fastened it to the oldwooden windmill that we had.
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We'd play one-on-one,
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and I never could
get a shot off,
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and he really enjoyed that,
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because he was 6'5
and I was just about,
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I don't know, 5'7 probably.
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He use to tell me that, "Youbetter find another game".
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"This isn't your game."
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"It's for big men, tall men."
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- But when you
think about the way
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the game was played back then,
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you kinda think of that
old news reel footage.
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It was the kind that
happen, you know,
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that paint drying paste.
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- No shot clock.
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No sense of urgency.
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Obviously, it's antiquated,because it's where we started.
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- It's athletic, because there'smovement and coordination,
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but it feels slower.
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It certainly is grounded.
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- The standard rule was
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you never leave your
feet on defense,
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and especially on offense.
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It's a whole
different game today.
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- They hardly dribbled theball, passed it around.
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The guys shootin' set shots.
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- They all shot a
two-handed shot.
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Push out here from the chest.
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- You know, if you were gonnashoot a two-hand set shot
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you had to be wide open.
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- I don't know if
set shot off today.
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Have to be 50 feet
away from the guy.
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- You couldn'thave anybody close to you
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who would just put a handup, and block your shot.
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- If a shot has
to be constructed
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over a period of one,
two, three seconds,
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the game is slowed
by definition.
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- If you look at some
of these guys now,
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like a Westbrook, or somethin',
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they way they fly down thecourt, and jump on the gym.
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Looks almost like a differentsport than back then.
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- It'll tell you, man, if Iwas born like 60 years earlier
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I would've been in
the NBA, no doubt.
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- I think I'd be a monster.
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- Oh, I would've gotten somebuckets, that's for sure.
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- Yeah, I feel like
a little step back,
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or a between the legs crossover,
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we'd throw somebody
into the first row.
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- High on the board, Sailors.
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I just made up my mindthat I was gonna find a way
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to shoot the ball over the guy.
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My brother, he made up his mind,
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"I'm gonna frustrate
that little squirt,
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and not even let
him get a shot off".
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Somehow, the idea come to me is,
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well, if I jump up, and
I knew I could jump,
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if I jump up high enough outof my dribble, like this,
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I dribbled up,
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and from here, right on thedribble, I jumped straight up,
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and bring the ball up
right over my head,
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and I let it go, and
the thing went in,
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and I was just as surprised,or more than he was,
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and the ball went in the basket.
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His feet was on the ground.
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He hadn't even left the floor.
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Boy, that spooked him.
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He said, "That's a
good shot, Kenny".
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"You have to get
better at that."
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Well, I started workin'
on it from that time on.
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Mom wanted Bud to go to college.
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She sold the farm, and we boughtthat home here in Laramie.
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I graduated high school
in the spring of '39.
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Entered the university
to play basketball.
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- The University of
Wyoming hired Ev Shelton
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to coach the
basketball at Wyoming.
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- He was a remarkable guy.
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Charming beyond belief.
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On the floor he elicited
the greatest respect.
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- He'd didn't curse me.
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Come up to you, and say,
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"Did you hear what I said?",
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and leave little
knobs in your head.
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- He didn't have to shout at ya.
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He just had to look at ya.
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- When he came, he said to us,
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"Now, I've won nationalchampionships in AAU ball".
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He said, "I wanna win acollege national championship".
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He told us right off.
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- Kenny and his fellow
teammates were freshmen,
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and freshmen were not
eligible in those days.
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- He didn't think too much of us
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yellow punk Wyoming freshmen.
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Nearly every one of us, LewRoney, Volker, and Shadow Ray,
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and myself, and Collins,
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and Weir, of course, he'sthe big man from Green River,
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we were all all-state
players, you know?
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So we did have a prettyhigh opinion of ourselves.
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He says, "We're gonna geta team here at Wyoming".
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"It's gonna win a
national championship."
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"And I don't know
if you're the boys
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that's gonna do that, or not."
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- That year,
the varsity squad
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was lead by junior
star, Willie Rothman,
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and future sports
broadcaster, Curt Gowdy.
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- The freshmen
scrimmaged the varsity,
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but Kenny and Jim Weir,
they let it be known
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that they thought
they were better.
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- We thought
we didn't have
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any trouble scorin' on 'em.
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We got to braggin'
and teasin' 'em
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until the point that Sheltongot kinda fed up with it.
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So Shelton one day
come in, and announced,
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he says, "I'm gonna arrange agame for you cocky freshmen".
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- Shelton went and scheduleda game, and sold tickets,
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and I think Shelton'sidea was he was gonna put
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Jim Weir and Kenny
Sailors in their place.
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- We played
'em, and we beat 'em.
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- Kenny Sailors and hisfreshmen beat the varsity,
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and beat 'em pretty well.
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- They only had the 31.
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Weir and I had a
combination between us,
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the same number of pointsthat the varsity had.
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- He was the governor out there.
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He controlled the ballgame.
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- Shelton didn'tsay much right at the time.
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I think he was about
half embarrassed,
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as was the varsity team.
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He didn't expect to lose
that game, I'm sure,
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or he'd a never played it.
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- For all of us growing
up in the 1940s,
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we all wanted to play ballat the University of Wyoming.
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- Our dad would
take us to games.
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- We would go into
the dressing room,
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and meet all these guys, MiloKomenich, Weir, and Volker.
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- They werewonderful guys, and Kenny,
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that was the one youalways kind of focused on.
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- When
people have asked me
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why I didn't date thegirls, I said, "Well, I do".
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"I have a steady, and she'sabout that big around."
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"I go with her all the time."
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I wanted to be a good
basketball player,
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and girls just didn't
fit into that for me.
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A friend of mine, Stan Hathaway,
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he was workin' for his boardover in the Kappa house.
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One time he came over at
the union, and he said,
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"Kenny", he says, "You'rereally missin' it".
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"We got the prettiest
girls on the campus
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over there in the Kappa house,
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especially one girl that wehave over there's from Casper."
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Her name was Marilynne Corbin.
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- She was a
cheerleader for the
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football and the
basketball team,
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and she was the drum majorette,
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and threw the baton up in theair at the head of the band.
298
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- Anyway,
he came in one day
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with these four beautiful girls,
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and I was sittin' theretalkin' with Stan mostly,
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'cause I was too embarrassedto talk to the girls,
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and right there in front
of 'em, all of 'em,
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he said, "Kenny", he said,
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"Do you know our Phi Deltdance is this weekend?"
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I said, "I don't dance, Stan".
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"You know that."
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I'd forgot all about it, ordidn't even know about it.
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Yeah, and he said,
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"You know, that's somethin'you oughta take Marilynne to".
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Right there in front of her.
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She pipes up, he
coached her, no doubt,
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she says, "Well, I don'tcare about dancin' anyway".
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"We'll just go have somefun, if you wanna take me."
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- Did you guysgo on dates in the outdoors?
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- Yeah, we sure
did, didn't we, Bokie?
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- Go on picnics.
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- That sounds romantic.
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- We started goin' together,
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and went steady the
rest of the year,
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and then that summer
we were married.
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- She was funny.
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She had a sense
of humor, she did.
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She had a great Tarzan yell,
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and I guess, and thoughtit would've been real fun
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to know her when she was20, and I grew up with her,
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'cause she was a lot of fun.
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- She was a beautifulwoman, for one thing,
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but her beauty was a lotdeeper than just on her skin.
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- They had a really
loving relationship,
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and he and she complimentedeach other really well.
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Grandma was definitely
very independent,
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and she was her own woman,
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and I feel like that's whygrandpa loved her so much.
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- She just had
a wonderful personality,
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and, of course, her
values, and her thinking
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was just what a
husband really wanted.
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- In those days, the coachcould not talk with the team
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during the game at all.
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Nobody was allowed
to interfere with
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a play of the game
even during timeouts.
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So guess who told
the team what to do?
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The captain on the
floor, that was Kenny.
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- Everybody
became confident
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in what they did through Kenny,
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because they knew they had a guy
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who could elevate
them as a team.
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- A lot of people ask, "Didn'tyou play with Kenny Sailors?"
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I said, "Yeah, I sure did".
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"Describe him."
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"A rattlesnake."
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- As mild and as
gentle as he is,
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when it comes to competition,he'd tear your throat out.
353
00:15:10,822 --> 00:15:11,998
- That's what he was,
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00:15:12,041 --> 00:15:13,173
the quickest guy I
ever saw on the court
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with his hand and his feet.
356
00:15:14,522 --> 00:15:15,827
- Ken would
fake a drawing,
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and step back, and be in the air
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by the time the defensivemen would get to him.
359
00:15:25,489 --> 00:15:28,884
- When I watched Kenny Sailors,it actually blew me away.
360
00:15:28,928 --> 00:15:31,713
- If you saw Kenny Sailorsplay, you saw the jump shot.
361
00:15:31,756 --> 00:15:35,238
- Ken Sailorsof Wyoming sinks this one.
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00:15:35,282 --> 00:15:37,806
- He was
ahead of his time.
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- The first time I
ever saw a guy do that.
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Kenny shot one in, and onhis way up, he was great.
365
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- No one shot thatup until then like he did.
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- I would pay money to seewhoever's defending Kenny
367
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that first time he roseup, and shot a jump shot,
368
00:15:51,776 --> 00:15:54,779
just to see like thesnapshot of that guy's face.
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00:15:54,823 --> 00:15:57,478
As he's like comin' down
in transition, rises up,
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and the guy's like,
what is goin' on?
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00:16:00,220 --> 00:16:02,048
This has gotta be atravel or somethin', like.
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00:16:02,091 --> 00:16:03,963
- Ev Shelton had no idea
what to do with that.
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There were no coaches that were
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00:16:05,834 --> 00:16:08,619
teaching that skillset,
or fundamental,
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00:16:08,663 --> 00:16:10,708
but he had enough sense
to let him shoot it.
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00:16:10,752 --> 00:16:13,624
- That speaks to
the selflessness of
the coach, to me,
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and it allowed Kenny to thrive,
378
00:16:15,670 --> 00:16:18,194
and it was goin' against
the grain of the time,
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but that's really
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one of the hallmarks of anyoutstanding coach, in my mind.
381
00:16:22,894 --> 00:16:24,940
- Shelton had
an advanced offense
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00:16:24,984 --> 00:16:26,898
for those days in basketball.
383
00:16:26,942 --> 00:16:28,335
- It was called
the Shelton Weave,
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00:16:28,378 --> 00:16:31,599
which put him in the NationalBasketball Hall of Fame.
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00:16:31,642 --> 00:16:32,904
- The main
thing about it was
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he knew how to set insideand outside screens.
387
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- It would
pull the big men out,
388
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and they weren't use to
playing on the outside.
389
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- Finally,
somebody would be open.
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00:16:43,915 --> 00:16:45,569
- Once they startedplaying well and winning,
391
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then nobody wanted to play 'em,
392
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'cause what do you have towin if you beat Wyoming?
393
00:16:49,965 --> 00:16:52,707
- Wyoming is not an
easy place to get to,
394
00:16:52,750 --> 00:16:55,536
especially when thebasketballs start bouncing
395
00:16:55,579 --> 00:16:56,972
from November to March.
396
00:16:58,104 --> 00:16:59,757
- I think they
have always feared
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coming up to play in Wyoming.
398
00:17:02,804 --> 00:17:04,849
- The University of Wyomingis sitting at altitude
399
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of whatever feet, and all youcan do is get winded and lose.
400
00:17:07,678 --> 00:17:09,289
- And we made a big
sign up, you know,
401
00:17:09,332 --> 00:17:11,726
"How you breathin'
with 7,000 feet?"
402
00:17:13,075 --> 00:17:14,729
- You playin' one team,
they had an oxygen tank,
403
00:17:14,772 --> 00:17:15,904
and masks on the sideline.
404
00:17:15,947 --> 00:17:17,906
I said "Are you kiddin' me?"
405
00:17:17,949 --> 00:17:20,169
- Shelton said, "They won'tcome here to 7,000 feet".
406
00:17:20,213 --> 00:17:22,345
"We've tried to get teamsall over the nation."
407
00:17:22,389 --> 00:17:23,868
"They won't come up
here to place us."
408
00:17:23,912 --> 00:17:24,956
"They're scared of us."
409
00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,133
So he said, "We're
gonna go to them".
410
00:17:27,176 --> 00:17:28,003
- All aboard!
411
00:17:29,874 --> 00:17:32,094
- Everett Sheltondid something in those days
412
00:17:32,138 --> 00:17:33,574
teams wouldn't do anymore.
413
00:17:33,617 --> 00:17:34,923
He took his team on the road.
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00:17:35,793 --> 00:17:36,751
- Coaches who are coaching for
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00:17:36,794 --> 00:17:38,927
their livelihood are gonna say,
416
00:17:38,970 --> 00:17:40,581
"I'd rather go 18 and three
417
00:17:40,624 --> 00:17:42,496
against the guys
around the block",
418
00:17:42,539 --> 00:17:45,107
but he was coaching to wina national championship.
419
00:17:45,151 --> 00:17:46,978
- I'd never been on a
train before in my life.
420
00:17:47,022 --> 00:17:48,806
Never been out of
the state of Wyoming.
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00:17:48,850 --> 00:17:50,156
None of us kids had.
422
00:17:50,199 --> 00:17:52,071
We were just a bunch ofcountry kids, most of us.
423
00:17:53,246 --> 00:17:54,551
- Ev Shelton
wanted to go where
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they could get the
best competition.
425
00:17:57,859 --> 00:17:59,165
- They did a
whistle stop tour,
426
00:17:59,208 --> 00:18:00,731
and they'd stop the
train along the way,
427
00:18:00,775 --> 00:18:02,733
and play games againstanyone that would play 'em.
428
00:18:02,777 --> 00:18:03,995
- That's what we did.
429
00:18:04,039 --> 00:18:05,562
We'd go all up and
down that East Coast.
430
00:18:05,606 --> 00:18:08,130
We played all over thecountry anybody we could play.
431
00:18:10,350 --> 00:18:14,310
- The 1942/43season, it really ranks with
432
00:18:14,354 --> 00:18:17,052
one of the great
seasons of all time.
433
00:18:17,096 --> 00:18:18,706
- They not only
took the challenge,
434
00:18:18,749 --> 00:18:22,188
they went out and beat teamafter team away from home,
435
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gaining even more
respect nationally.
436
00:18:24,886 --> 00:18:28,324
- Their road
record was unbelievable.
437
00:18:28,368 --> 00:18:29,717
- They played 33 games.
438
00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:30,892
They won 31.
439
00:18:30,935 --> 00:18:32,807
And their only two
losses were on the road.
440
00:18:32,850 --> 00:18:33,982
- They were dominant,
441
00:18:34,025 --> 00:18:35,723
and they were
dominant with a flair.
442
00:18:35,766 --> 00:18:37,768
- Shelton, he finally
got to the point
443
00:18:37,812 --> 00:18:40,206
where he'd say to us, "Now,boys, you're good enough,
444
00:18:40,249 --> 00:18:41,424
you can beat anybody".
445
00:18:41,468 --> 00:18:42,904
"There isn't anybody
can beat you."
446
00:18:42,947 --> 00:18:45,036
- Going undefeatedin conference play
447
00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,430
put them into the
NCA Tournament.
448
00:18:47,474 --> 00:18:49,737
- Wyoming playedOklahoma first, and then Texas,
449
00:18:49,780 --> 00:18:52,957
in order to advance to thefinals in Madison Square Garden.
450
00:18:53,001 --> 00:18:55,177
- You didn't getto Madison Square Garden,
451
00:18:55,221 --> 00:18:58,180
you didn't get filmed, andyou didn't get photographed.
452
00:18:58,224 --> 00:19:01,270
- It's the mecca of sports.
453
00:19:01,314 --> 00:19:03,272
Everything has happened there.
454
00:19:03,316 --> 00:19:04,752
- If you played at the Garden,
455
00:19:04,795 --> 00:19:06,710
can't get any higher than that.
456
00:19:08,103 --> 00:19:11,411
- For a team like Wyomingto come into New York City
457
00:19:11,454 --> 00:19:13,804
in the spotlight on the
biggest basketball stage
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00:19:13,848 --> 00:19:17,068
in the country is reallya remarkable achievement.
459
00:19:17,112 --> 00:19:19,201
- When they traveled
to New York,
460
00:19:19,245 --> 00:19:22,639
they may as well have beengoing to another planet.
461
00:19:22,683 --> 00:19:24,075
- They turn all the lights off,
462
00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:25,903
and we come runnin'
out one at a time
463
00:19:25,947 --> 00:19:27,209
with the spotlight on us,
464
00:19:27,253 --> 00:19:28,906
and they'd announce
our names, you know?
465
00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:31,605
Whoo, that was a big dealfor a country boy like me.
466
00:19:33,128 --> 00:19:34,260
- Thisgame developed into a thriller
467
00:19:34,303 --> 00:19:35,870
from the very first play.
468
00:19:35,913 --> 00:19:38,133
The best planned has playedin New York this season.
469
00:19:38,177 --> 00:19:39,917
- Georgetown was tough.
470
00:19:39,961 --> 00:19:41,310
I mean, they were
a good ball club.
471
00:19:41,354 --> 00:19:42,877
We didn't beat 'em by that much.
472
00:19:44,879 --> 00:19:47,708
- Kenny, he got onthat big stage, and performed.
473
00:19:47,751 --> 00:19:50,885
- Kenny Sailors was the
most outstanding player
474
00:19:50,928 --> 00:19:52,800
of the NCAA Tournament.
475
00:19:52,843 --> 00:19:54,932
That's a resume that
not very many people
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00:19:54,976 --> 00:19:57,718
across basketball historycan really speak to.
477
00:20:02,984 --> 00:20:05,595
- They really
captured the attention
478
00:20:05,639 --> 00:20:07,293
of New York and
the New York media,
479
00:20:07,336 --> 00:20:09,686
which at that time, meantcapturing the attention
480
00:20:09,730 --> 00:20:11,210
of the college basketball world.
481
00:20:17,651 --> 00:20:21,176
- The NCA in 1943wasn't the biggest tournament.
482
00:20:21,220 --> 00:20:25,833
- The NCAA didn't havethat appeal, like the NIT.
483
00:20:25,876 --> 00:20:30,098
The NIT was big, the biggestnational tournament there was.
484
00:20:30,141 --> 00:20:31,708
- TheNational Invitation Tournament
485
00:20:31,752 --> 00:20:34,755
brings the nation's top fiveto Madison Square Garden.
486
00:20:34,798 --> 00:20:37,714
Teams meet in knock-down,drag-out fights to the finish.
487
00:20:37,758 --> 00:20:39,716
- After we won the NCAA,
488
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,283
the New York papers were still
489
00:20:41,327 --> 00:20:43,459
making a big issue
over the fact that
490
00:20:43,503 --> 00:20:46,897
we were just a small, countryschool, and been lucky.
491
00:20:48,290 --> 00:20:50,727
- The night before theNCA Championship was played,
492
00:20:50,771 --> 00:20:54,209
St. John's won the NationalInvitational Tournament.
493
00:20:54,253 --> 00:20:56,864
- St. John's
didn't just win the NIT,
494
00:20:56,907 --> 00:20:58,518
they steamrolled teams.
495
00:20:58,561 --> 00:21:00,171
This was a great team.
496
00:21:00,215 --> 00:21:01,782
- I can still
remember the team.
497
00:21:01,825 --> 00:21:06,395
Boykoff, Gotkin, "Fuzzy" Levane,Baxster, and Al Moschetti.
498
00:21:07,875 --> 00:21:10,791
- You had the NCA championand the NIT champion
499
00:21:10,834 --> 00:21:13,141
in town at the same time.
500
00:21:13,184 --> 00:21:15,448
Ned Irish, I am
sure, was thinking,
501
00:21:15,491 --> 00:21:17,798
"How do I get these
teams together?"
502
00:21:17,841 --> 00:21:19,103
- They'd never done that before.
503
00:21:19,147 --> 00:21:22,193
They'd never had the NCAAand the NIT play off.
504
00:21:25,284 --> 00:21:27,373
- Even then,
with the imagination
505
00:21:27,416 --> 00:21:29,026
that Wyoming had captured,
506
00:21:29,070 --> 00:21:30,506
there was still
this notion there,
507
00:21:30,550 --> 00:21:33,161
"Well, that's nice", butnobody gave them a real chance.
508
00:21:34,815 --> 00:21:36,817
- The basketball
season's grand finale,
509
00:21:36,860 --> 00:21:39,254
given greater
significance tonight at
Madison Square Garden,
510
00:21:39,298 --> 00:21:41,256
and a killer-diller game it is.
511
00:21:41,300 --> 00:21:42,518
What hangs on this ballgame
512
00:21:42,562 --> 00:21:44,912
amounts to a national
basketball crown.
513
00:21:44,955 --> 00:21:46,870
- It was the Superbowl
of college basketball.
514
00:21:46,914 --> 00:21:48,742
That's what the
Red Cross game was.
515
00:21:48,785 --> 00:21:51,484
- They called it "the world'samateur championship".
516
00:21:52,485 --> 00:21:53,703
- Both teams,
517
00:21:53,747 --> 00:21:55,226
the kingpins of their
respected moves.
518
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:57,577
St. John's rapid fire scoringhere in the past few minutes
519
00:21:57,620 --> 00:21:59,622
has tied up the game.
520
00:21:59,666 --> 00:22:02,190
From tip off to wind
up, it's touch and go.
521
00:22:02,233 --> 00:22:03,757
Wyoming scores.
522
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,063
Seconds later, St.John's Redmen retaliated.
523
00:22:06,107 --> 00:22:08,283
Boykoff gave us a field goal.
524
00:22:08,327 --> 00:22:10,894
- With a few seconds leftto go in regulation time,
525
00:22:10,938 --> 00:22:12,853
St. John's tied the game,
526
00:22:12,896 --> 00:22:15,769
and Kenny took anin-bounds pass, laid it in
527
00:22:15,812 --> 00:22:16,857
for what appeared to be
528
00:22:16,900 --> 00:22:18,815
the winning basket
in regulation time.
529
00:22:18,859 --> 00:22:20,382
But that became controversial,
530
00:22:20,426 --> 00:22:23,864
because the referee said, "St.John's had called a timeout".
531
00:22:23,907 --> 00:22:25,735
- I don't think theyhad a right to call a timeout.
532
00:22:25,779 --> 00:22:26,997
How could you?
533
00:22:27,041 --> 00:22:28,477
When you make a basket,
534
00:22:28,521 --> 00:22:30,697
the ball actually belongsto the other team.
535
00:22:30,740 --> 00:22:32,742
- Madison Square
Garden was going crazy.
536
00:22:32,786 --> 00:22:34,918
They said it was
bedlam in there.
537
00:22:34,962 --> 00:22:36,920
- The crowd was thinkin'just like I was thinkin',
538
00:22:36,964 --> 00:22:39,009
"They can't do that".
539
00:22:39,053 --> 00:22:40,141
- The
game now in deadlock,
540
00:22:40,184 --> 00:22:41,925
goes into five minutes overtime.
541
00:22:43,449 --> 00:22:46,887
Slick, smart, and speedythese shifty sharpshooters.
542
00:22:46,930 --> 00:22:48,410
A looping pass down court.
543
00:22:48,454 --> 00:22:50,673
Moschetti, St. John's,takes a shot at the board,
544
00:22:50,717 --> 00:22:51,892
and the Redmen score.
545
00:22:53,154 --> 00:22:54,808
Never once tonight
are these two quintets
546
00:22:54,851 --> 00:22:56,592
more than four points apart.
547
00:22:56,636 --> 00:22:58,855
A nip and tuck back
from start to finish.
548
00:23:00,161 --> 00:23:02,337
Five minutes overtime
almost run out.
549
00:23:04,383 --> 00:23:06,297
Three seconds left to play.
550
00:23:11,781 --> 00:23:12,956
- This is the trophy
551
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,393
that they didn't expect
to come to Wyoming.
552
00:23:14,436 --> 00:23:16,351
It was supposed to stayin Madison Square Garden.
553
00:23:16,395 --> 00:23:17,439
They had to ship it to us.
554
00:23:17,483 --> 00:23:18,875
We couldn't bring it home.
555
00:23:18,919 --> 00:23:20,921
- The
final count 52 to 47,
556
00:23:20,964 --> 00:23:23,576
and Wyoming's Cowboys are theundisputed kings of the court.
557
00:23:23,619 --> 00:23:25,665
- It's pretty
powerful, isn't it?
558
00:23:25,708 --> 00:23:27,884
For a bunch of country
kids from Wyoming.
559
00:23:27,928 --> 00:23:29,451
None of us had been
out of the state
560
00:23:29,495 --> 00:23:31,453
before we went back to play.
561
00:23:34,717 --> 00:23:36,371
- In 1943, a group of Cowboys
562
00:23:36,415 --> 00:23:37,851
went into Madison Square Garden,
563
00:23:37,894 --> 00:23:39,679
and won a national championship.
564
00:23:39,722 --> 00:23:41,855
- They had carried
our Cowboy banner,
565
00:23:41,898 --> 00:23:43,465
and showed 'em who
ate the cabbage,
566
00:23:43,509 --> 00:23:45,511
as the old man use to say.
567
00:23:45,554 --> 00:23:48,470
- It fueled a sense
of Wyoming's identity.
568
00:23:48,514 --> 00:23:52,474
It was in the blood and
bone of Wyomingites.
569
00:23:52,518 --> 00:23:55,999
Yeah, we too can
compete with anybody.
570
00:23:59,916 --> 00:24:01,048
- Little old Wyoming was
571
00:24:01,091 --> 00:24:02,615
the best team in the country,
572
00:24:02,658 --> 00:24:04,312
and nobody can
ever say otherwise,
573
00:24:04,355 --> 00:24:06,793
and Kenny was the
head of the snake.
574
00:24:06,836 --> 00:24:09,448
- I mean, that's
a monumental task.
575
00:24:09,491 --> 00:24:12,799
When you think about
what Wyoming did in
beating St. John's,
576
00:24:12,842 --> 00:24:16,933
it would be like a DivisionII or Division III team
577
00:24:16,977 --> 00:24:19,153
being able to navigate
March Madness,
578
00:24:19,196 --> 00:24:21,547
and win the national
championship.
579
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:24,811
- There's no doubt,that for these guys to do that,
580
00:24:24,854 --> 00:24:27,117
it was such a shining moment,
581
00:24:27,161 --> 00:24:29,859
but this was a team
that had no tomorrow,
582
00:24:31,339 --> 00:24:32,601
because they were
all goin' to war.
583
00:24:44,004 --> 00:24:47,529
- We are mustering
all our resources,
584
00:24:47,573 --> 00:24:50,793
manhood, and
industry, and wealth,
585
00:24:52,012 --> 00:24:54,275
to make our nation
strong in defense.
586
00:24:55,537 --> 00:24:59,541
For recent history
proves all too clearly,
587
00:24:59,585 --> 00:25:03,632
I am sorry to say,
that only the strong
588
00:25:03,676 --> 00:25:08,768
may continue to live in
freedom, and in peace.
589
00:25:08,811 --> 00:25:10,030
- There was a war goin' on.
590
00:25:11,553 --> 00:25:12,815
I knew they weren't gonnakeep me here in this country.
591
00:25:12,859 --> 00:25:14,556
I was gonna be gone.
592
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,386
- His college career wasinterrupted by World War II.
593
00:25:18,429 --> 00:25:22,259
- Two weeks later, thewhole team was on active duty.
594
00:25:22,303 --> 00:25:23,565
- Kenny was one of the
595
00:25:23,609 --> 00:25:25,262
best known basketball
players in America.
596
00:25:25,306 --> 00:25:29,702
AU All-American, CollegeAll-American, national champion.
597
00:25:29,745 --> 00:25:31,399
He had everything going for him,
598
00:25:31,442 --> 00:25:33,749
in terms of basketball stardom.
599
00:25:33,793 --> 00:25:35,403
- I'm sure all
those achievements
600
00:25:35,446 --> 00:25:38,885
were exciting for him, butif you speak with Kenny
601
00:25:38,928 --> 00:25:42,105
about his departure frombasketball, he'll tell you
602
00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:44,455
he had more important
things on his mind.
603
00:25:45,631 --> 00:25:46,980
- Looking back at it,
604
00:25:47,023 --> 00:25:50,636
if a guy is named the MVPof the tournament in 1943,
605
00:25:50,679 --> 00:25:53,377
such a big deal, is
it almost a shame
606
00:25:53,421 --> 00:25:54,814
that you really
didn't get to revel
607
00:25:54,857 --> 00:25:56,467
- Yeah.
- in excitement of that?
608
00:25:56,511 --> 00:25:58,469
- Yeah, well, I
was gone, you know?
609
00:25:58,513 --> 00:25:59,732
In the Marines.
610
00:25:59,775 --> 00:26:01,516
And basketball was
important, and gosh,
611
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,518
we were proud of the
fact we did what we did,
612
00:26:03,562 --> 00:26:06,390
but I was thinkin'
about leavin' my family,
613
00:26:06,434 --> 00:26:07,827
and I was gonna be married,
614
00:26:07,870 --> 00:26:09,611
and I was trying to convince her
615
00:26:09,655 --> 00:26:10,830
we shouldn't get
married before I,
616
00:26:10,873 --> 00:26:12,919
until I come back
from the Marine Corps,
617
00:26:12,962 --> 00:26:14,921
'cause to be honest with ya,I didn't expect to come back.
618
00:26:14,964 --> 00:26:16,139
Hell, that's the truth.
619
00:26:17,663 --> 00:26:19,926
- Marilynne was pregnantwhen Kenny was shipped out.
620
00:26:21,841 --> 00:26:25,453
In those days, widowsfrequently remained widows.
621
00:26:25,496 --> 00:26:26,933
Out of loyalty to
their marriage vows
622
00:26:26,976 --> 00:26:28,717
they would never marry again.
623
00:26:29,849 --> 00:26:31,154
But it was Marilynne who said,
624
00:26:31,198 --> 00:26:34,114
"Nope, we're gonna get
married", so they did.
625
00:26:34,157 --> 00:26:35,855
She defied all the
best advice, and said,
626
00:26:35,898 --> 00:26:37,117
"I wanna marry you".
627
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,336
So that showed also
how much she loved him.
628
00:26:40,903 --> 00:26:45,647
Kenny was given command of 40Marines on this troop carrier.
629
00:26:45,691 --> 00:26:47,388
- Our job
was ship security,
630
00:26:47,431 --> 00:26:49,390
and we had to go into
the island sometimes,
631
00:26:49,433 --> 00:26:51,697
and they'd have tent campsset up with the wounded,
632
00:26:51,740 --> 00:26:54,787
and we'd have to go in andcarry 'em aboard this ship.
633
00:26:54,830 --> 00:26:56,789
I had so many buddiesthat I'd lost in the war,
634
00:26:56,832 --> 00:26:59,269
and in fact, if they didn'tget shot up or killed,
635
00:26:59,313 --> 00:27:01,141
they had malaria.
636
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:06,233
- I think the
Marines recognized
637
00:27:06,276 --> 00:27:08,670
leadership skills in him
from a very early time,
638
00:27:08,714 --> 00:27:10,672
and when he was
ready to muster out,
639
00:27:10,716 --> 00:27:12,674
he was a Captain at that point.
640
00:27:12,718 --> 00:27:16,199
- You joined the MarineCorp, and two years later,
641
00:27:16,243 --> 00:27:19,638
the war is over with,
and you're a Captain.
642
00:27:19,681 --> 00:27:22,249
You've done a lot of
things to get there.
643
00:27:22,292 --> 00:27:24,468
- Once you've been a Marine,you're always a Marine,
644
00:27:24,512 --> 00:27:25,861
and you respect the Marines,
645
00:27:25,905 --> 00:27:29,473
because you know what
it stands for, yeah.
646
00:27:33,739 --> 00:27:35,305
- For Wyoming, at forward,
647
00:27:35,349 --> 00:27:38,744
a 6'5 junior from
San Antonio, Texas,
648
00:27:38,787 --> 00:27:41,921
number 34, Fennis Dembo.
649
00:27:41,964 --> 00:27:44,924
- I know when I'm in the
presence of greatness.
650
00:27:44,967 --> 00:27:46,055
They say that's Kenny Sailors.
651
00:27:46,099 --> 00:27:48,144
I said, "Ah, I know who he is".
652
00:27:48,188 --> 00:27:49,755
"I know what he represents."
653
00:27:51,974 --> 00:27:54,803
What you're doin' as a kidthat's 18, 19-years-old,
654
00:27:54,847 --> 00:27:57,763
you're readin' about allthese great people, right?
655
00:27:57,806 --> 00:27:59,286
You were tryin' to
be better than 'em.
656
00:28:00,983 --> 00:28:02,550
- Saved his best game
657
00:28:02,593 --> 00:28:03,725
for the most importantgame thus far of the year.
658
00:28:06,206 --> 00:28:09,209
- How many basketballplayers we can think about
659
00:28:09,252 --> 00:28:12,038
actually did something toforever change the game?
660
00:28:12,081 --> 00:28:12,865
Forever?
661
00:28:15,041 --> 00:28:17,826
- While I was in the PacificI never saw a basketball.
662
00:28:17,870 --> 00:28:20,742
We never could get
any news on it either.
663
00:28:20,786 --> 00:28:22,570
We didn't get much of anything.
664
00:28:22,613 --> 00:28:27,096
When I came back, why, theconference had a special ruling.
665
00:28:27,140 --> 00:28:28,837
For us old boys who
had been in the war
666
00:28:28,881 --> 00:28:30,709
could come back and
play, and we did.
667
00:28:30,752 --> 00:28:32,232
- When Kenny
came back to the states
668
00:28:32,275 --> 00:28:33,799
at the end of the war,
669
00:28:33,842 --> 00:28:37,846
it gave him a chance toreally work on the jump shot,
670
00:28:37,890 --> 00:28:41,763
and really concentrate on itsflaws and its opportunities.
671
00:28:41,807 --> 00:28:43,025
- It took years.
672
00:28:43,069 --> 00:28:45,201
It didn't happen overnightto get my jump shot.
673
00:28:45,245 --> 00:28:47,247
That didn't happen right away.
674
00:28:47,290 --> 00:28:49,336
- The biggest technical problem
675
00:28:49,379 --> 00:28:51,991
was the idea of
jumping straight up.
676
00:28:52,034 --> 00:28:54,210
- It took me longer todevelop that than anything,
677
00:28:54,254 --> 00:28:56,517
'cause I'm dribblin'
fast sometimes,
678
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,259
and you have to plant, and jump.
679
00:28:59,302 --> 00:29:00,782
- So a lot of times,
Ken would jump,
680
00:29:00,826 --> 00:29:02,915
and he would drift
into the player,
681
00:29:02,958 --> 00:29:04,612
and he would be
called for the foul.
682
00:29:04,655 --> 00:29:06,135
- And they soon
learned, you know,
683
00:29:06,179 --> 00:29:08,747
to get that offense foul tostay put, and let him hit ya.
684
00:29:09,965 --> 00:29:12,098
Coaches had me pegged
all over the country,
685
00:29:13,099 --> 00:29:14,796
so I had to develop a technique
686
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,277
where I actually stopped
my forward motion,
687
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,539
and went straight up.
688
00:29:19,758 --> 00:29:21,716
- In January,
1946, Kenny came back to
689
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,066
Madison Square Garden
and played LIU,
690
00:29:25,633 --> 00:29:28,810
and on that night, Kenny's jumpshot would become legendary.
691
00:29:31,508 --> 00:29:33,902
- Oh God, almighty.
692
00:29:33,946 --> 00:29:34,773
Wow!
693
00:29:36,296 --> 00:29:37,297
He's up there.
694
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:39,516
- Well, first
of all, he's really
695
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:40,604
gettin' off the ground.
- Yeah.
696
00:29:40,648 --> 00:29:41,780
- That's got some serious hops.
697
00:29:41,823 --> 00:29:42,911
So not only was he jumping,
698
00:29:42,955 --> 00:29:44,217
he was really getting
off the floor,
699
00:29:44,260 --> 00:29:45,653
so he must have really
looked like a freak.
700
00:29:45,696 --> 00:29:46,872
- Man, he up.
701
00:29:48,699 --> 00:29:50,310
He was a white guy, man,
gettin' up that high
702
00:29:50,353 --> 00:29:52,268
off the floor on the jump shot?
703
00:29:52,312 --> 00:29:53,574
Give me a break.
704
00:29:53,617 --> 00:29:56,838
- Now, that's a piece
of art right there.
705
00:29:56,882 --> 00:29:57,926
It's beautiful.
706
00:29:59,188 --> 00:30:01,800
- His off-hand
is lightly on the ball,
707
00:30:01,843 --> 00:30:03,845
elbow looks pointed
straight at, you know,
708
00:30:03,889 --> 00:30:05,847
that directs the shot.
709
00:30:05,891 --> 00:30:08,110
- He's taken the
ball straight up.
710
00:30:08,154 --> 00:30:13,159
His eyes are focused, not onthe ball, but on a bucket.
711
00:30:15,291 --> 00:30:18,729
- That is a perfect
image of how I feel
712
00:30:18,773 --> 00:30:20,470
every time I shoot a jump shot.
713
00:30:21,776 --> 00:30:23,647
- I think there areeight guys in that picture,
714
00:30:23,691 --> 00:30:26,607
and there are 14
feet on the ground,
715
00:30:26,650 --> 00:30:28,087
and there are two
feet off the ground,
716
00:30:28,130 --> 00:30:29,740
but it's not a gimmick.
717
00:30:29,784 --> 00:30:31,699
- The other defenders,they're kind of looking at,
718
00:30:31,742 --> 00:30:33,962
like they're watching a
different sport almost.
719
00:30:34,006 --> 00:30:37,574
- The guy defendingKenny is in an athletic stance,
720
00:30:37,618 --> 00:30:40,273
but it never occurred
to him to jump.
721
00:30:40,316 --> 00:30:43,624
- That show you how groundedthe game was at that time,
722
00:30:43,667 --> 00:30:45,104
and where he was takin' it.
723
00:30:46,670 --> 00:30:48,020
To flight.
724
00:30:48,063 --> 00:30:50,413
- Think of the defender,a guy jumps up in the air.
725
00:30:50,457 --> 00:30:51,762
- That's pretty cool.
726
00:30:51,806 --> 00:30:52,807
A visionary, man.
727
00:30:52,851 --> 00:30:53,895
Way ahead of his time.
728
00:30:54,940 --> 00:30:56,115
- I've never seen
this photo before,
729
00:30:56,158 --> 00:30:57,986
but it's absolutely phenomenal.
730
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,163
Every kid should see this.
731
00:31:01,207 --> 00:31:03,078
- I was expecting it to
be somewhat different.
732
00:31:03,122 --> 00:31:06,603
Like, sure it was a jump shotof its time, but it's evolved.
733
00:31:06,647 --> 00:31:07,909
It hasn't evolved.
734
00:31:07,953 --> 00:31:09,737
Kenny nailed it in the '40s.
735
00:31:09,780 --> 00:31:12,871
- I mean, it really looks likea Russel Westbrook photo now,
736
00:31:12,914 --> 00:31:16,875
the way he elevates, andstops on a dime on the break.
737
00:31:16,918 --> 00:31:18,267
I mean, that's amazing.
738
00:31:18,311 --> 00:31:20,748
- That is as good a form
739
00:31:20,791 --> 00:31:22,881
as I've ever seen
with the jump shot.
740
00:31:22,924 --> 00:31:26,406
I mean, that is an
unbelievable picture.
741
00:31:26,449 --> 00:31:28,408
I want a copy of it.
742
00:31:38,157 --> 00:31:39,898
- I'm a Millennial,
so I just thought
743
00:31:39,941 --> 00:31:41,116
the jump shot just appeared.
744
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,205
It was just a part of the game.
745
00:31:49,690 --> 00:31:52,606
It's important, 'cause I knowthe work that goes into this.
746
00:31:52,649 --> 00:31:55,217
It's hard to make it tothe top of your profession,
747
00:31:55,261 --> 00:31:56,653
or to the top of anything.
748
00:31:57,916 --> 00:32:00,440
Pioneers, they don'tusually get a lot of credit,
749
00:32:00,483 --> 00:32:03,051
because not a lot of
people tend to go back,
750
00:32:03,095 --> 00:32:05,967
and go through the journey ofbasketball when they should.
751
00:32:06,011 --> 00:32:07,490
And I think stories like this
752
00:32:07,534 --> 00:32:09,144
is gonna have people startin' to
753
00:32:09,188 --> 00:32:11,320
just puttin' the
pieces together.
754
00:32:11,364 --> 00:32:14,149
That shot is what the
game is centered around.
755
00:32:14,193 --> 00:32:15,803
You know, it's
around the jump shot,
756
00:32:15,846 --> 00:32:17,761
and I just want
people to know, man,
757
00:32:17,805 --> 00:32:19,328
where this stuff comes from,
758
00:32:19,372 --> 00:32:21,635
'cause it's not the guys yousee on the NBA court right now.
759
00:32:21,678 --> 00:32:23,550
We didn't create this stuff.
760
00:32:23,593 --> 00:32:25,291
If you love the game so much,
761
00:32:25,334 --> 00:32:26,683
you will wanna see
where it comes from,
762
00:32:26,727 --> 00:32:28,729
and where it's goin',
and Kenny is a guy
763
00:32:28,772 --> 00:32:31,862
that stuck that
flag in the ground,
764
00:32:31,906 --> 00:32:34,865
and let it be known that thisgame is gonna be here forever,
765
00:32:34,909 --> 00:32:38,739
and I can't thank
him enough for that.
766
00:32:47,226 --> 00:32:50,838
- My old shoulders,
767
00:32:50,881 --> 00:32:54,407
boy, I couldn't shoot
a three-point shot for
768
00:32:54,450 --> 00:32:55,930
love or money.
769
00:32:55,974 --> 00:32:58,889
Mostly, it was my speed andmy quickness with the dribble
770
00:32:58,933 --> 00:33:02,502
is what got me by
my man, I guess.
771
00:33:02,545 --> 00:33:04,199
I dribbled up to him, like this,
772
00:33:04,243 --> 00:33:06,636
and then I give
the ball this here.
773
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,334
I can't keep a balance even.
774
00:33:08,377 --> 00:33:10,553
I give the ball this
kind of a motion.
775
00:33:10,597 --> 00:33:13,861
He gets a rockin', and he'sdown here rockin' with me,
776
00:33:13,904 --> 00:33:17,604
I jump, I jump and
shoot the ball.
777
00:33:17,647 --> 00:33:18,909
It's evidently a
pretty good shot.
778
00:33:18,953 --> 00:33:20,389
There's a lot of guys
shootin' it today.
779
00:33:20,433 --> 00:33:22,087
I oughta sue the NBA
780
00:33:23,697 --> 00:33:25,916
for usin' my shot without megettin' anything out of it.
781
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,396
Shouldn't they?
782
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,355
If I good lawyer, I'd do that.
783
00:33:30,225 --> 00:33:32,836
Sue 'em all for 5,000.
784
00:33:35,926 --> 00:33:37,798
I could make a little
money, could I?
785
00:33:37,841 --> 00:33:39,321
Yeah.
786
00:33:39,365 --> 00:33:41,715
Gosh, I was nearly 27-years-oldwhen I went into the NBA.
787
00:33:41,758 --> 00:33:44,283
You know, these kids are goin'in today when they're 19.
788
00:33:45,980 --> 00:33:47,808
You know, they make millions.
789
00:33:47,851 --> 00:33:48,722
I didn't make nothing.
790
00:33:48,765 --> 00:33:49,940
Man, they really paid me.
791
00:33:49,984 --> 00:33:53,683
I made 75 hundred
dollars for the season.
792
00:33:53,727 --> 00:33:56,121
That was big money
in those days.
793
00:33:56,164 --> 00:33:58,558
The NBA started up in 1946.
794
00:33:58,601 --> 00:34:00,821
- The NBA was in
its infancy then.
795
00:34:00,864 --> 00:34:03,998
There were eight
teams in the NBA.
796
00:34:04,042 --> 00:34:07,219
- This game has nothad that long of a history.
797
00:34:07,262 --> 00:34:08,437
- Pro-basketball,
at the time,
798
00:34:08,481 --> 00:34:11,092
was hardly in the public
conscience at all.
799
00:34:11,136 --> 00:34:13,181
Baseball, football,
boxing dominated.
800
00:34:13,225 --> 00:34:15,096
They were a lot bigger
than basketball.
801
00:34:15,140 --> 00:34:17,794
- The pros didn't have
much oomph behind 'em,
802
00:34:17,838 --> 00:34:21,276
because it was smallcities against big cities,
803
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,062
and there was littleemotional rooting interest.
804
00:34:24,105 --> 00:34:26,629
- Honestly, I coached
a high school game
805
00:34:26,673 --> 00:34:28,414
in Madison Square Garden,
806
00:34:28,457 --> 00:34:30,720
and we had more people
than the the pros.
807
00:34:30,764 --> 00:34:33,245
- These franchises
would go for a while,
808
00:34:33,288 --> 00:34:35,551
and they'd fold
like a card table.
809
00:34:35,595 --> 00:34:36,857
- There's
a handful of teams
810
00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:38,206
with a handful of players,
811
00:34:38,250 --> 00:34:40,556
and there's a
complete randomness
812
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,690
to whether you're in a goodsituation, or a bad situation.
813
00:34:43,733 --> 00:34:47,128
In Kenny's case, he reallywas in several bad situations.
814
00:34:47,172 --> 00:34:48,695
- Kenny was moved
around quite a bit,
815
00:34:48,738 --> 00:34:50,740
and it wasn't because
he was a poor player.
816
00:34:50,784 --> 00:34:52,916
It was because at least
three of those teams,
817
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,831
I can think of,
collapsed financially.
818
00:34:54,875 --> 00:34:55,745
They went out of business.
819
00:34:55,789 --> 00:34:56,790
They were disbanded.
820
00:34:56,833 --> 00:34:58,052
Players were thrown
into a lottery,
821
00:34:58,096 --> 00:34:59,749
and picked by other teams.
822
00:34:59,793 --> 00:35:01,099
- Not knowin' where
you're gonna live,
823
00:35:01,142 --> 00:35:03,884
not knowin' when thepaycheck was gonna come in,
824
00:35:03,927 --> 00:35:06,147
just changin' scenery over,and over, and over again,
825
00:35:06,191 --> 00:35:07,801
yeah, that'd be tough, man.
826
00:35:07,844 --> 00:35:09,281
- It's hard to
imagine the barriers
827
00:35:09,324 --> 00:35:10,499
these guys had to get through
828
00:35:10,543 --> 00:35:12,284
just so people
could see them play.
829
00:35:12,327 --> 00:35:13,763
- It's just crazy
to think about it.
830
00:35:13,807 --> 00:35:15,809
I'm definitely blessed to beplayin' the game right now,
831
00:35:15,852 --> 00:35:17,463
but you have a huge
amount of respect
832
00:35:17,506 --> 00:35:19,291
for the people that
have propelled the game
833
00:35:19,334 --> 00:35:20,248
to make it what it is.
834
00:35:20,292 --> 00:35:21,554
- We get on planes,
835
00:35:21,597 --> 00:35:23,556
and play on ESPN and
TNT like it's nothin',
836
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:26,602
but these guys, like theypaved the way for us.
837
00:35:26,646 --> 00:35:30,302
- Every major bit of progress
838
00:35:30,345 --> 00:35:31,825
in the history of most sports
839
00:35:31,868 --> 00:35:35,350
is going to be looked
at as threatening.
840
00:35:35,394 --> 00:35:40,007
If you look at George Mikan,Bob Pettit, Bill Russell,
841
00:35:40,050 --> 00:35:43,532
Wilt Chamberlain,
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
842
00:35:43,576 --> 00:35:46,753
rules were made
to slow them down.
843
00:35:46,796 --> 00:35:48,668
There was this fear
that they were gonna
844
00:35:48,711 --> 00:35:52,367
take over the game, and skewthe competitive advantage,
845
00:35:52,411 --> 00:35:56,284
and there's no doubt thatthe jump shot fits into that.
846
00:35:56,328 --> 00:35:58,199
- Jimmy Breslin, the
famous, you know,
847
00:35:58,243 --> 00:35:59,505
Pulitzer Prize
winning columnist,
848
00:35:59,548 --> 00:36:01,985
he was just a sports
writer back then,
849
00:36:02,029 --> 00:36:03,422
and he wrote this long column
850
00:36:03,465 --> 00:36:06,468
on how the jump shot
had ruined basketball,
851
00:36:06,512 --> 00:36:08,427
because you have one guywho can just take the ball,
852
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:10,255
either shoot right
away off the pass,
853
00:36:10,298 --> 00:36:11,952
or take a couple dribbles,
854
00:36:11,995 --> 00:36:13,910
and just take his
guy, and rise up.
855
00:36:13,954 --> 00:36:17,958
- Old school coaches, firstof all, didn't believe in it,
856
00:36:18,001 --> 00:36:20,787
and then once people
started to have success,
857
00:36:20,830 --> 00:36:22,789
the idea that this
is not basketball.
858
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,796
- This first coach I had,"Dutch" Dehnert was his name,
859
00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:31,711
he had the coaching
job there at Cleveland
860
00:36:31,754 --> 00:36:33,278
my first year in the NBA.
861
00:36:34,496 --> 00:36:36,411
A couple days before
the season got underway,
862
00:36:36,455 --> 00:36:39,240
I was shootin' jump shotsoff of my buddy there.
863
00:36:43,723 --> 00:36:44,898
Dutch came up.
864
00:36:44,941 --> 00:36:46,116
He said to me,
"Sailors", he said,
865
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,989
"Where'd you get that
leap and one-hander?"
866
00:36:49,032 --> 00:36:50,338
I said, "I don't know, Dutch".
867
00:36:50,382 --> 00:36:51,861
I said, "I had that
quite a while".
868
00:36:51,905 --> 00:36:55,648
I said, "That's what
keeps me in the game".
869
00:36:55,691 --> 00:36:58,825
"You just never go in thisleague with a shot like that."
870
00:36:58,868 --> 00:36:59,956
He meant it.
871
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,741
I didn't play much
to start with at all.
872
00:37:01,784 --> 00:37:03,699
He says, "I'll show
you how to shoot
873
00:37:03,743 --> 00:37:06,789
a good two-handed set shot",and he says, "That dribble",
874
00:37:06,833 --> 00:37:08,878
he says, "We don't
dribble in this league".
875
00:37:08,922 --> 00:37:10,880
He says, "We pass the
ball up the court".
876
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:15,624
And I said, "Well,
now that you take
877
00:37:15,668 --> 00:37:16,973
my jump shot and
my dribble away,
878
00:37:17,017 --> 00:37:18,627
you might as well sell
me, get rid of me".
879
00:37:18,671 --> 00:37:20,673
"I aint gonna help you any."
880
00:37:20,716 --> 00:37:21,717
- You know what
your strengths are.
881
00:37:21,761 --> 00:37:22,936
You know what you do well.
882
00:37:22,979 --> 00:37:24,372
You know who you are
as a basketball player,
883
00:37:24,416 --> 00:37:27,070
and somebody's telling youyou can't do those things,
884
00:37:27,114 --> 00:37:29,290
if I walked into practice,and my coach told me
885
00:37:29,334 --> 00:37:30,639
I couldn't shoot a three,
886
00:37:30,683 --> 00:37:32,859
or I couldn't shoot from
this spot on the floor,
887
00:37:34,382 --> 00:37:37,342
I don't know if I
would be in the league,
888
00:37:37,385 --> 00:37:38,691
that's for sure.
889
00:37:38,734 --> 00:37:40,083
- This is the way they
did it in those days.
890
00:37:40,127 --> 00:37:42,129
They sent Dutch on
the road scoutin'.
891
00:37:43,783 --> 00:37:45,306
You know, I don't know whatold Dutch could scout for,
892
00:37:45,350 --> 00:37:47,830
but when we started
to do much better,
893
00:37:47,874 --> 00:37:50,964
the general manager, hestarted me right off the bat,
894
00:37:51,007 --> 00:37:52,270
and I was the point guard.
895
00:37:52,313 --> 00:37:53,096
I brought the ball up.
896
00:37:53,140 --> 00:37:54,359
I dribbled it up.
897
00:37:54,402 --> 00:37:56,143
I didn't pass it to anybody.
898
00:37:56,186 --> 00:37:58,711
And he said the same thingmy old college coach said,
899
00:37:58,754 --> 00:38:00,843
"Give the ball to Sailors,and get away from him".
900
00:38:00,887 --> 00:38:02,802
"Get up court."
901
00:38:02,845 --> 00:38:04,804
- People knew thatKenny was the ball player,
902
00:38:04,847 --> 00:38:07,850
and I think he brought
in a lot of crowds too.
903
00:38:07,894 --> 00:38:11,332
- If you look at hisstatistics, his points per game,
904
00:38:11,376 --> 00:38:13,421
and the number of
times he ranked in
905
00:38:13,465 --> 00:38:15,858
the top 10 in
various categories,
906
00:38:15,902 --> 00:38:17,773
he had a verydistinguished pro career,
907
00:38:17,817 --> 00:38:19,732
but he never played
for a winning team.
908
00:38:21,429 --> 00:38:22,909
- What gets lost sometimes,
909
00:38:22,952 --> 00:38:24,302
is when people are so brilliant
910
00:38:24,345 --> 00:38:26,086
at something like a jump shot,
911
00:38:26,129 --> 00:38:28,654
they're overshadowed
by their own greatness,
912
00:38:28,697 --> 00:38:30,786
and I didn't know that Kenny was
913
00:38:30,830 --> 00:38:32,222
such a brilliant ball handler.
914
00:38:32,266 --> 00:38:36,575
- My dribble, I used it realeffectively in my scoring.
915
00:38:36,618 --> 00:38:38,794
By just dribbling up to a man,
916
00:38:38,838 --> 00:38:41,144
and just usin' a change
of pace, and then boo,
917
00:38:41,188 --> 00:38:42,842
take off just like that.
918
00:38:42,885 --> 00:38:46,062
- Okay, Kenny, break
'em down, then.
919
00:38:46,106 --> 00:38:48,238
With a crossover.
920
00:38:48,282 --> 00:38:49,805
Impressive.
921
00:38:49,849 --> 00:38:51,590
Especially watching histeammates shoot afterwards,
922
00:38:51,633 --> 00:38:53,548
and they're just standin' there.
923
00:38:53,592 --> 00:38:55,376
- I don't know who
invented the floater,
924
00:38:56,986 --> 00:38:58,597
but Kenny's got it down too.
925
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,338
- Big thing the jump
shot did for me,
926
00:39:00,381 --> 00:39:03,602
is it give me that opportunityto drive to the basket.
927
00:39:03,645 --> 00:39:05,952
- If everybody collapsed,he could pass it.
928
00:39:05,995 --> 00:39:09,738
If everybody stayed, hecould just rise up and shoot.
929
00:39:09,782 --> 00:39:11,436
- You go back and readsome of these old articles,
930
00:39:11,479 --> 00:39:13,699
and you read about his
wizardry as a passer,
931
00:39:13,742 --> 00:39:16,397
he was the most adroit dribblerin the basketball annals.
932
00:39:16,441 --> 00:39:18,878
You hear all the, you know,the stately talk of the day.
933
00:39:24,536 --> 00:39:26,102
- I'd shake the ball, like this.
934
00:39:26,146 --> 00:39:27,669
I can't do it anymore.
935
00:39:27,713 --> 00:39:30,368
But I'd do it real fastthis way, and then that way,
936
00:39:30,411 --> 00:39:34,502
and he'd usually go thatway, and I'd go this way.
937
00:39:34,546 --> 00:39:36,852
- That's a move that stillworks today, actually.
938
00:39:38,071 --> 00:39:39,986
- A little Curry flurry.
939
00:39:40,029 --> 00:39:41,161
- Yeah, I call
it the windshield wiper
940
00:39:41,204 --> 00:39:42,423
with one hand, right there.
941
00:39:42,467 --> 00:39:44,686
- But it's just a matter
of shakin' the ball.
942
00:39:44,730 --> 00:39:45,861
- They didn't know
what to do with that.
943
00:39:45,905 --> 00:39:47,428
- If you talk to Kenny,
944
00:39:47,472 --> 00:39:49,822
he's more proud of
being a good defender
945
00:39:49,865 --> 00:39:51,780
than he is about his jump shot.
946
00:39:51,824 --> 00:39:54,653
- My trick in playingdefense was to get down low.
947
00:39:54,696 --> 00:39:56,089
If you put your head,
948
00:39:56,132 --> 00:39:58,265
you'd hit his bellybuttonright here on your forehead.
949
00:39:58,308 --> 00:40:00,833
That's the way you play
defense, down in here.
950
00:40:00,876 --> 00:40:02,835
The faster the man
is, and you know
951
00:40:02,878 --> 00:40:04,793
the more room you
have to give him.
952
00:40:04,837 --> 00:40:07,448
If he's not quick andfast, get right up in here.
953
00:40:07,492 --> 00:40:10,582
- I bet he was movin',
and drivin' it,
954
00:40:10,625 --> 00:40:12,192
shootin' off the dribble.
955
00:40:12,235 --> 00:40:14,499
In some ways, he wasplayin' a different game.
956
00:40:15,935 --> 00:40:17,458
- As soon as he
touched the ball,
957
00:40:17,502 --> 00:40:19,808
your eyes gravitate tojust how different it looks
958
00:40:19,852 --> 00:40:20,766
when he's dribblin' the ball,
959
00:40:20,809 --> 00:40:22,681
and his creativity on the floor,
960
00:40:22,724 --> 00:40:24,683
which I hope that
that's how people
961
00:40:24,726 --> 00:40:26,162
see me when I'm out there.
962
00:40:29,775 --> 00:40:31,864
- So he doesn'treally take credit for it.
963
00:40:31,907 --> 00:40:33,169
He really doesn't it.
964
00:40:33,213 --> 00:40:34,475
- Well, who would know
who's the first kid
965
00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:35,955
- Well--- that jumped in the air,
966
00:40:35,998 --> 00:40:37,347
and shot a basketball?
967
00:40:37,391 --> 00:40:38,827
- Just take
it, and run with it.
968
00:40:38,871 --> 00:40:42,265
- It's the only thing
I've done in my life
969
00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:44,920
that people are interested in.
970
00:40:44,964 --> 00:40:45,878
They don't know that that--- You're still doin' it,
971
00:40:45,921 --> 00:40:47,096
and you're not even playin'.
972
00:40:47,140 --> 00:40:48,663
You're still goin'.
- Most of 'em
973
00:40:48,707 --> 00:40:50,012
don't even know that I'vebeen in the guidin' outfitin',
974
00:40:50,056 --> 00:40:51,840
for over 50 years.
- Yeah.
975
00:40:51,884 --> 00:40:52,928
- 50 years.
- Was it over 50?
976
00:40:52,972 --> 00:40:53,929
- Right.
- I thought it was 30?
977
00:40:53,973 --> 00:40:56,149
- 35 in Alaska.
- Wow.
978
00:40:56,192 --> 00:40:59,500
- Or that I was a coach,
a high school coach.
979
00:40:59,544 --> 00:41:00,980
A lot of thing I've done
980
00:41:01,023 --> 00:41:04,244
that's probably more importantthan that stupid jump shot.
981
00:41:05,593 --> 00:41:08,466
As I've gotten older,
the Lord has shown me
982
00:41:08,509 --> 00:41:10,816
that there's far more
things more important
983
00:41:10,859 --> 00:41:12,731
than just sports or basketball.
984
00:41:14,907 --> 00:41:17,387
When I married my wife,
the doctors told me
985
00:41:17,431 --> 00:41:20,129
that I'd be fortunate
if she lived to be 50.
986
00:41:21,348 --> 00:41:23,089
She had to go to the
doctor pretty regular
987
00:41:23,132 --> 00:41:25,831
with that asthma and emphysema.
988
00:41:27,180 --> 00:41:29,661
And I said, "Doc, what kindof a lifestyle can we live
989
00:41:29,704 --> 00:41:32,315
that will prolong her
life?", and he said,
990
00:41:32,359 --> 00:41:34,579
"If you can stay out
into the country,
991
00:41:34,622 --> 00:41:35,928
and stay out of the cities,
992
00:41:35,971 --> 00:41:38,539
it would be really
beneficial to her".
993
00:41:38,583 --> 00:41:41,716
That's why when I gotretirement, pfft, I'm gone.
994
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,849
- Kenny left basketball.
995
00:41:43,892 --> 00:41:46,547
He could've gotten
into broadcasting,
996
00:41:46,591 --> 00:41:47,940
maybe doing a
column in the paper,
997
00:41:47,983 --> 00:41:49,898
but he wasn't looking
for honors in a sense.
998
00:41:49,942 --> 00:41:50,856
It was his way of life.
999
00:41:50,899 --> 00:41:52,379
He wanted to play pro-basketball
1000
00:41:52,422 --> 00:41:53,772
long enough to get a
pension, and then quit,
1001
00:41:53,815 --> 00:41:56,252
and go out in the sticks.
1002
00:42:07,873 --> 00:42:10,528
- Alaska was a place
that held a fascination
1003
00:42:10,571 --> 00:42:13,052
for my wife and I clearback before we were married.
1004
00:42:14,575 --> 00:42:17,535
Bigger mountains, biggerrivers, bigger everything.
1005
00:42:18,666 --> 00:42:20,712
Marilynne and I
loved that experience
1006
00:42:20,755 --> 00:42:22,888
of experimenting
with the unknown.
1007
00:42:23,932 --> 00:42:26,239
We lived 20 miles out
of just a small town,
1008
00:42:26,282 --> 00:42:29,721
15 hundred people, at the footof the Wrangell Mountains,
1009
00:42:29,764 --> 00:42:32,767
and we lived up there 35 years.
1010
00:42:32,811 --> 00:42:34,726
Up to the
1011
00:42:34,769 --> 00:42:36,031
- We didn't have
1012
00:42:36,075 --> 00:42:38,512
to buy anything, just
go out over the country,
1013
00:42:38,556 --> 00:42:40,688
wherever it looks
nice, and homestead.
1014
00:42:40,732 --> 00:42:43,169
Set your corners up, and
live on it for a year,
1015
00:42:43,212 --> 00:42:43,996
and it's yours.
1016
00:42:45,606 --> 00:42:47,782
- Kenny was an outdoors manwho like to hunt, and fish,
1017
00:42:47,826 --> 00:42:49,915
and be in the mountains,
and ride horses.
1018
00:42:49,958 --> 00:42:52,831
To this day, he has some
spurs and cowboy hats
1019
00:42:52,874 --> 00:42:54,876
that must be 100 years old.
1020
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,662
- These chaps are a part ofthe business I grew up in.
1021
00:42:57,705 --> 00:42:59,054
Cowboy's hat.
1022
00:42:59,098 --> 00:43:01,143
This is not quite as oldas me, but it's pretty old.
1023
00:43:01,187 --> 00:43:03,189
Most cowboys are pretty
proud of their hats.
1024
00:43:03,232 --> 00:43:04,799
- I've told him this.
1025
00:43:04,843 --> 00:43:07,323
I said, "You know, Kenny, youcould've been born in 1821,
1026
00:43:07,367 --> 00:43:09,761
and been a man on
the Western Frontier,
1027
00:43:09,804 --> 00:43:11,632
leading wagon trains
on the Oregon Trail,
1028
00:43:11,676 --> 00:43:13,547
because you would never
have turned back".
1029
00:43:13,591 --> 00:43:15,070
- We got into
1030
00:43:15,114 --> 00:43:16,376
the big game hunting,
1031
00:43:16,419 --> 00:43:18,683
which ended up being one
of our major business.
1032
00:43:18,726 --> 00:43:20,815
- It was really great
workin' with Kenny.
1033
00:43:20,859 --> 00:43:23,470
We had a really goodrelationship from the start.
1034
00:43:23,513 --> 00:43:26,604
We did mostly sheep huntin',and then some moose hunts.
1035
00:43:26,647 --> 00:43:30,216
Moose, they're so darn big,the way Kenny operated,
1036
00:43:30,259 --> 00:43:31,696
he'd put 'em on
the horse's backs,
1037
00:43:31,739 --> 00:43:34,524
and he could pack 'em a
lot further than we can.
1038
00:43:35,874 --> 00:43:38,833
- We had to drive over 100miles to the end of a road
1039
00:43:38,877 --> 00:43:41,140
with the horses, and thenride into the mountains
1040
00:43:41,183 --> 00:43:43,316
to get to the hunting camp.
1041
00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:44,534
Being in the
mountains is amazing.
1042
00:43:44,578 --> 00:43:45,884
That's one of my
favorite things.
1043
00:43:45,927 --> 00:43:48,103
But riding horses for 12
hours in the mountains,
1044
00:43:48,147 --> 00:43:50,932
not so much when you're likeeight or nine-years-old.
1045
00:43:52,325 --> 00:43:54,066
- Word got
around pretty fast
1046
00:43:54,109 --> 00:43:55,763
that he'd been in the NBA.
1047
00:43:57,069 --> 00:43:58,723
I don't think he
bragged about it,
1048
00:43:58,766 --> 00:44:00,550
but it was somethin'
that came up.
1049
00:44:00,594 --> 00:44:01,900
- We were in awe,
1050
00:44:01,943 --> 00:44:04,903
because he had played
with the Boston Celtics.
1051
00:44:04,946 --> 00:44:06,426
- We just couldn't believe
1052
00:44:06,469 --> 00:44:09,690
that somebody thattalented and accomplished
1053
00:44:09,734 --> 00:44:12,301
could come to this
little, podunk place
1054
00:44:12,345 --> 00:44:13,694
in the middle of nowhere.
1055
00:44:15,217 --> 00:44:17,176
- Hunting season
started in August,
1056
00:44:17,219 --> 00:44:19,613
so by October, I'm all through,
1057
00:44:19,657 --> 00:44:21,180
and it worked out perfect for me
1058
00:44:21,223 --> 00:44:23,051
coachin' and teachin'
in the schools.
1059
00:44:24,574 --> 00:44:27,316
- Kenny was my basketballcoach, my track coach,
1060
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,667
my football coach,
my wresting coach.
1061
00:44:29,710 --> 00:44:31,799
He pretty much filled
the coaching spot
1062
00:44:31,843 --> 00:44:33,105
for everything we had.
1063
00:44:34,367 --> 00:44:36,717
- Before Kenny
arrived, there was no
1064
00:44:36,761 --> 00:44:40,634
scholastic basketballparticipation for the girls.
1065
00:44:41,548 --> 00:44:43,332
It was just PE classes,
1066
00:44:43,376 --> 00:44:46,205
and possibly
intermural scrimmages.
1067
00:44:46,248 --> 00:44:47,902
- There was no girls basketball.
1068
00:44:47,946 --> 00:44:49,817
I didn't like that,
because I had a daughter
1069
00:44:49,861 --> 00:44:51,819
that was a good athlete,and I thought it was wrong
1070
00:44:51,863 --> 00:44:53,560
for it not to have
a girls program.
1071
00:44:54,779 --> 00:44:56,476
- At that
time, the girls couldn't
1072
00:44:56,519 --> 00:44:57,869
cross over the half line,
1073
00:44:57,912 --> 00:45:00,219
except for the rovingguards, and roaming forwards.
1074
00:45:00,262 --> 00:45:02,482
- And it was the old Iowagame they use to call it,
1075
00:45:02,525 --> 00:45:03,744
the half-court game.
1076
00:45:03,788 --> 00:45:06,312
They played six
people to a team,
1077
00:45:06,355 --> 00:45:08,401
and only three of them
could cross half-court.
1078
00:45:08,444 --> 00:45:10,664
- The reason
women played six on six
1079
00:45:10,708 --> 00:45:13,058
is because they didn'twant us to get exhausted.
1080
00:45:13,101 --> 00:45:14,755
- Girls wereconsidered to be so frail
1081
00:45:14,799 --> 00:45:16,670
they couldn't run up
and down the court.
1082
00:45:16,714 --> 00:45:18,063
- They thought if
we could just run
1083
00:45:18,106 --> 00:45:20,065
half-court here and
a half-court there
1084
00:45:20,108 --> 00:45:22,763
it wouldn't be too
physically taxing on us.
1085
00:45:23,721 --> 00:45:24,809
It's crazy.
1086
00:45:24,852 --> 00:45:26,419
- He grew up with a
really strong woman,
1087
00:45:26,462 --> 00:45:28,421
so in his mind, women are tough,
1088
00:45:28,464 --> 00:45:30,771
so why can't they run
up and down the court?
1089
00:45:30,815 --> 00:45:32,381
- So I worked to get
girls basketball goin',
1090
00:45:32,425 --> 00:45:35,080
and I use to travel aroundwith one of the gals,
1091
00:45:35,123 --> 00:45:37,430
and we'd go hold clinics
all over the state,
1092
00:45:37,473 --> 00:45:38,779
and try to convince 'em
1093
00:45:38,823 --> 00:45:40,433
that they needed a girlsprogram in their schools,
1094
00:45:40,476 --> 00:45:42,827
Just as important
as it is for boys.
1095
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:45,090
- Up to that point,organized girls basketball
1096
00:45:45,133 --> 00:45:47,092
was played just in the
private school system,
1097
00:45:47,135 --> 00:45:48,615
and he was
instrumental in getting
1098
00:45:48,658 --> 00:45:49,877
that state tournament started.
1099
00:45:49,921 --> 00:45:52,401
And by 1970, there were
teams all over Alaska
1100
00:45:52,445 --> 00:45:54,795
playing in the girls
basketball tournament,
1101
00:45:54,839 --> 00:45:56,754
and his team was in
the thick of things.
1102
00:45:56,797 --> 00:45:58,756
- He put Glennallen on the map.
1103
00:45:58,799 --> 00:46:01,759
- He had somehellacious good girls teams.
1104
00:46:01,802 --> 00:46:03,325
- Anybody
who had a team,
1105
00:46:03,369 --> 00:46:05,763
and was willing to
play us, we would play.
1106
00:46:05,806 --> 00:46:07,329
- The other thing
that Kenny did,
1107
00:46:07,373 --> 00:46:09,767
he gave Native girls achance to play basketball.
1108
00:46:11,203 --> 00:46:13,727
- The first team I coachedthere in Glennallen,
1109
00:46:13,771 --> 00:46:17,731
I think they were all
Athabascans or Eskimos,
1110
00:46:17,775 --> 00:46:20,778
all the girls,
except two or three.
1111
00:46:20,821 --> 00:46:23,563
- They were generallydeemed too little to play.
1112
00:46:23,606 --> 00:46:25,391
They weren't as tall instature as the white girls,
1113
00:46:25,434 --> 00:46:27,262
the Anglo girls, if you will.
1114
00:46:27,306 --> 00:46:30,091
But that was okay with Kenny,because he could teach them.
1115
00:46:30,135 --> 00:46:32,354
- He taught us by demonstration.
1116
00:46:32,398 --> 00:46:34,313
We'd see how he did
it, and we'd copy,
1117
00:46:34,356 --> 00:46:36,358
and them, you know,
whoa, we can do things
1118
00:46:36,402 --> 00:46:38,317
we never dreamed
we'd be able to do.
1119
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,841
- Believe it or not, Itaught 'em the same offense
1120
00:46:40,885 --> 00:46:42,451
that I played in college.
1121
00:46:42,495 --> 00:46:43,931
My old college coach says,
1122
00:46:43,975 --> 00:46:45,803
"You guys that are gonna coachin high school", he said,
1123
00:46:45,846 --> 00:46:47,543
"Don't try to teach this
to high school kids".
1124
00:46:47,587 --> 00:46:49,589
"It'll take 'em,
they'd be seniors
1125
00:46:49,632 --> 00:46:50,982
before they could ever
learn how to do it."
1126
00:46:51,025 --> 00:46:53,201
It didn't my girls that long.
1127
00:46:53,245 --> 00:46:55,116
They picked it up in a hurry.
1128
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,422
- He was very proud of 'em,
1129
00:46:56,465 --> 00:46:58,772
because they did what
he taught 'em to do,
1130
00:46:58,816 --> 00:47:00,861
and that was, forget
about being ladies
1131
00:47:00,905 --> 00:47:02,732
when you're on the
basketball court.
1132
00:47:02,776 --> 00:47:06,736
Once they overcame that,
he had a winnin' team.
1133
00:47:06,780 --> 00:47:07,912
- That's huge for women.
1134
00:47:07,955 --> 00:47:09,870
That's huge, especially
when you were told
1135
00:47:09,914 --> 00:47:10,915
you're not supposed
to be aggressive,
1136
00:47:10,958 --> 00:47:12,090
or you're not supposed to sweat,
1137
00:47:12,133 --> 00:47:13,395
or you're not supposed to be
1138
00:47:13,439 --> 00:47:15,136
out there playin',
bein' physical.
1139
00:47:15,180 --> 00:47:16,746
- I'll brag a little here now.
1140
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:19,706
My girls won three
state championships,
1141
00:47:19,749 --> 00:47:22,796
and we came in second oncein a seven year period.
1142
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,319
- They won
68 straight games,
1143
00:47:24,363 --> 00:47:26,756
and became a powerhouse,
this little Glennallen.
1144
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,412
- He organizedbasketball, and made it big
1145
00:47:30,456 --> 00:47:31,849
in the state of Alaska.
1146
00:47:34,547 --> 00:47:36,810
- He just constantly
used the sport
1147
00:47:36,854 --> 00:47:38,203
to influence people's lives.
1148
00:47:38,246 --> 00:47:41,728
- I don't think there's alife that he didn't touch
1149
00:47:41,771 --> 00:47:44,252
up in the Glennallen area.
1150
00:47:44,296 --> 00:47:47,560
- I was really a lousy
basketball player,
1151
00:47:48,953 --> 00:47:52,347
but he encouraged me to play.
1152
00:47:52,391 --> 00:47:55,916
- He gave us purpose,passion, personal confidence
1153
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,744
to become a lot of
different things
1154
00:47:57,787 --> 00:48:00,181
that would never have
happened otherwise.
1155
00:48:00,225 --> 00:48:01,835
- I think he saw something in me
1156
00:48:01,879 --> 00:48:04,664
that he wanted to develop.
1157
00:48:04,707 --> 00:48:05,970
- That was a big part for him.
1158
00:48:06,013 --> 00:48:07,536
It's not necessarily
winning championships,
1159
00:48:07,580 --> 00:48:10,931
but developing kids who
would have the mentality
1160
00:48:10,975 --> 00:48:12,106
to take what they learned,
1161
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:14,413
and apply it to other
areas of their life.
1162
00:48:14,456 --> 00:48:16,502
- In order for him to
go empower them to say,
1163
00:48:16,545 --> 00:48:19,026
"Look, this game right
here is amazing".
1164
00:48:19,070 --> 00:48:21,028
"It builds team work,
character, chemistry."
1165
00:48:21,072 --> 00:48:23,813
"It builds all that stuff thatyou need in the real world,
1166
00:48:23,857 --> 00:48:25,903
and empower women
at the same time."
1167
00:48:26,904 --> 00:48:29,602
I mean, that's all
you're really want man.
1168
00:48:30,995 --> 00:48:32,083
- He's the best thing
1169
00:48:32,126 --> 00:48:33,823
that could've happened
to Glennallen.
1170
00:48:35,651 --> 00:48:38,741
- For 35 years, Kenny
lived in Alaska,
1171
00:48:38,785 --> 00:48:40,265
and at least half of that time
1172
00:48:40,308 --> 00:48:43,703
was spent teaching and coachingat the high school level.
1173
00:48:43,746 --> 00:48:45,444
He retired at age 70.
1174
00:48:45,487 --> 00:48:48,838
And throughout all the, youknow, his exciting adventures,
1175
00:48:48,882 --> 00:48:50,797
Grandma stayed by his side.
1176
00:48:57,499 --> 00:48:58,805
- That's my girl.
1177
00:49:00,633 --> 00:49:05,551
60 years of my life I
spent with that girl.
1178
00:49:09,511 --> 00:49:11,426
My wife and I had a
wonderful marriage,
1179
00:49:11,470 --> 00:49:12,950
and it lasted a long time.
1180
00:49:14,081 --> 00:49:15,822
We've enjoyed livin'
with each other.
1181
00:49:15,865 --> 00:49:17,911
We enjoyed our family.
1182
00:49:17,955 --> 00:49:20,087
I don't know how itcould've been any better.
1183
00:49:21,393 --> 00:49:23,699
She contacted dementia,
1184
00:49:23,743 --> 00:49:28,226
and gradually you lose yourmemory of things way back.
1185
00:49:35,363 --> 00:49:37,800
One time at night, woke
up in the winter time,
1186
00:49:37,844 --> 00:49:39,933
and I looked over,
and she wasn't in bed.
1187
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:43,893
So I went and looked
in the bathroom,
1188
00:49:43,937 --> 00:49:46,026
and out in the kitchenwhere sometimes she gets up,
1189
00:49:46,070 --> 00:49:48,681
and goes and gets
a cup of coffee,
1190
00:49:48,724 --> 00:49:50,596
and then, no sign of her.
1191
00:49:51,858 --> 00:49:53,947
So I went outside,
1192
00:49:53,991 --> 00:49:55,688
and I went around thecorner of our lodge there,
1193
00:49:55,731 --> 00:49:57,342
and there she stood.
1194
00:50:03,609 --> 00:50:04,914
The northern lights,
oh, they were beautiful,
1195
00:50:04,958 --> 00:50:07,743
right down around her, andme, and everybody else.
1196
00:50:09,310 --> 00:50:11,399
It was about 30
degrees below outside,
1197
00:50:12,879 --> 00:50:15,708
and she was just standin' therewith her night clothes on,
1198
00:50:15,751 --> 00:50:17,884
and she did have hercloak on, thank goodness.
1199
00:50:19,364 --> 00:50:21,322
When I told the doctors aboutit, that's when they said,
1200
00:50:21,366 --> 00:50:22,845
"Kenny, you better
begin thinkin' about
1201
00:50:22,889 --> 00:50:24,064
gettin' out of this climate,
1202
00:50:24,108 --> 00:50:25,892
because you'll walk
out one of these nights
1203
00:50:25,935 --> 00:50:29,026
when it's 40 or 50 below, andshe won't last very long".
1204
00:50:30,897 --> 00:50:31,941
- I think she realized
1205
00:50:31,985 --> 00:50:33,726
that she needed to
stay healthy for him
1206
00:50:33,769 --> 00:50:34,814
'cause they were a team.
1207
00:50:36,033 --> 00:50:37,382
A lot of decisions that
he made in his life
1208
00:50:37,425 --> 00:50:39,906
were because he wanted
to be there for her,
1209
00:50:39,949 --> 00:50:41,821
and, you know, as
she got sicker,
1210
00:50:41,864 --> 00:50:45,390
just being there as much ashe possibly could for Grandma
1211
00:50:46,826 --> 00:50:47,870
until she was gone, so.
1212
00:50:49,872 --> 00:50:52,005
- It's tough, but the
Lord gives you strength
1213
00:50:52,049 --> 00:50:54,312
that you don't even know
where it comes from.
1214
00:50:55,226 --> 00:50:56,575
He just gives you the strength
1215
00:50:56,618 --> 00:50:58,794
to go through most
anything, mm-hmm.
1216
00:51:02,842 --> 00:51:05,497
- He doesn't understand why
1217
00:51:05,540 --> 00:51:07,716
he's still gettin'
around, and stuff,
1218
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,806
other than the Lord has
things for him to do.
1219
00:51:14,767 --> 00:51:16,247
- When you
think in terms of Kenny
1220
00:51:16,290 --> 00:51:19,206
essentially dropping out ofthe basketball world in 1951,
1221
00:51:19,250 --> 00:51:22,166
and coming back almost
in the 21st century,
1222
00:51:22,209 --> 00:51:24,559
it's almost like these peoplewho will wake out of a coma,
1223
00:51:24,603 --> 00:51:27,258
and have to learn how to usea computer, and a cellphone.
1224
00:51:27,301 --> 00:51:31,827
That one-hand modern day jumpshot has changed the game,
1225
00:51:31,871 --> 00:51:36,310
that which maybe a computerhas changed our generation.
1226
00:51:36,354 --> 00:51:38,399
- You could almostgo decade by decade,
1227
00:51:38,443 --> 00:51:40,749
and the game is
almost unrecognizable
1228
00:51:40,793 --> 00:51:42,403
to the previous decade.
1229
00:51:42,447 --> 00:51:43,752
That being said,
1230
00:51:43,796 --> 00:51:45,754
there are elements that
give it some continuity.
1231
00:51:45,798 --> 00:51:47,887
The jump shot certainly
contributed to that.
1232
00:51:47,930 --> 00:51:49,541
- It's a
whole different game
1233
00:51:49,584 --> 00:51:52,892
than Dr. Naismith originallyenvisioned in his mind.
1234
00:51:52,935 --> 00:51:54,241
- The interesting
thing about basketball
1235
00:51:54,285 --> 00:51:55,677
is it's always evolving.
1236
00:51:55,721 --> 00:51:58,115
All the greats of the
game can do thing today
1237
00:51:58,158 --> 00:52:01,118
that nobody ever thought
that players could do.
1238
00:52:01,161 --> 00:52:02,771
- With thethree-point lines moving to
1239
00:52:02,815 --> 00:52:04,556
a perimeter oriented game,
1240
00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:06,819
and whether people
know it or not,
1241
00:52:06,862 --> 00:52:08,603
you can anywhere in the world,
1242
00:52:08,647 --> 00:52:09,865
and watch people
play basketball,
1243
00:52:09,909 --> 00:52:11,737
and they're shooting
Kenny's shot.
1244
00:52:15,523 --> 00:52:18,309
- I'm gettinga little excited right now.
1245
00:52:18,352 --> 00:52:21,050
In Laramie they may be
dancing in the streets.
1246
00:52:21,094 --> 00:52:23,575
- In 1987,
our basketball team
1247
00:52:23,618 --> 00:52:25,925
beat a highly rated UCLA team
1248
00:52:25,968 --> 00:52:28,145
to advance to the Sweet 16.
1249
00:52:28,188 --> 00:52:29,711
- Wyoming delivered.
1250
00:52:32,192 --> 00:52:35,152
- A couple years ago, theuniversity put a team into the
1251
00:52:35,195 --> 00:52:36,849
Wyoming Sports Hall of Fame.
1252
00:52:38,503 --> 00:52:40,461
One morning I came
down for breakfast,
1253
00:52:40,505 --> 00:52:42,071
and I saw Kenny Sailors there,
1254
00:52:42,115 --> 00:52:44,335
so I sat down and ate
breakfast with him,
1255
00:52:44,378 --> 00:52:47,729
and to my shock, I find outthat he wasn't recognized
1256
00:52:47,773 --> 00:52:49,340
in the Naismith Hall of Fame.
1257
00:52:50,732 --> 00:52:52,081
I just thought he was in,
1258
00:52:52,125 --> 00:52:53,866
and then when I
found out he wasn't,
1259
00:52:53,909 --> 00:52:56,042
from that moment on, Ijust kinda made up my mind
1260
00:52:56,085 --> 00:52:58,566
that I'm going to put
every effort I can
1261
00:52:58,610 --> 00:53:02,831
into seein' if we can't getKenny put into the Hall of Fame,
1262
00:53:02,875 --> 00:53:04,181
because he belongs there.
1263
00:53:04,224 --> 00:53:07,096
I mean, this is a
righteous project.
1264
00:53:15,061 --> 00:53:17,368
- The Naismith MemorialBasketball Hall of Fame
1265
00:53:17,411 --> 00:53:21,720
is one of the more confusedinstitutions of its stature.
1266
00:53:21,763 --> 00:53:23,896
- They operate a
little differently.
1267
00:53:23,939 --> 00:53:26,768
They are not like the
standard Hall of Fame.
1268
00:53:26,812 --> 00:53:28,770
- When it comes timeto vote for Cooperstown
1269
00:53:28,814 --> 00:53:30,816
every media outlet
in the country
1270
00:53:30,859 --> 00:53:33,514
is discussing who
belongs in and why,
1271
00:53:33,558 --> 00:53:34,776
and everybody knows the rules.
1272
00:53:34,820 --> 00:53:37,692
75% of the vote
from active members
1273
00:53:37,736 --> 00:53:40,260
of the Baseball Writers'
Association of America
1274
00:53:40,304 --> 00:53:41,696
gets you into Cooperstown,
1275
00:53:41,740 --> 00:53:43,481
and that vote is gonna bepublished in the morning,
1276
00:53:43,524 --> 00:53:45,222
and many guys reveal their vote.
1277
00:53:45,265 --> 00:53:47,136
- With the Naismith Hall of Fame
1278
00:53:47,180 --> 00:53:51,271
it's a secret process
with a secret committee.
1279
00:53:51,315 --> 00:53:54,100
- Nobody's quite surehow you do or don't get in
1280
00:53:54,143 --> 00:53:56,363
to the Naismith
Memorial Hall of Fame.
1281
00:53:57,321 --> 00:53:58,670
- There are people who say that,
1282
00:53:58,713 --> 00:54:00,715
"Kenny Sailors is the
best basketball player
1283
00:54:00,759 --> 00:54:02,369
they ever saw play".
1284
00:54:02,413 --> 00:54:04,676
If you ever need
a bigger testament
1285
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,896
that this was one of thegreat basketball players ever,
1286
00:54:07,940 --> 00:54:10,290
at the 1990 Final
Four in Denver,
1287
00:54:10,334 --> 00:54:12,771
they recognized the
players of the decade
1288
00:54:12,814 --> 00:54:15,339
for the first 50 years
of NCAA Tournament.
1289
00:54:15,382 --> 00:54:20,300
For the 1980s, PatrickEwing, '70's, Magic Johnson,
1290
00:54:20,344 --> 00:54:24,522
'60s, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,'50s, Bill Russell.
1291
00:54:24,565 --> 00:54:26,698
Kenny got it for the 1940s.
1292
00:54:26,741 --> 00:54:28,047
Not bad company.
1293
00:54:29,309 --> 00:54:30,702
- I know it's a hard
job to induct people
1294
00:54:30,745 --> 00:54:32,878
into the Hall of Fame,
and the criteria,
1295
00:54:32,921 --> 00:54:35,359
you know, you've gotta lookat so many different things.
1296
00:54:35,402 --> 00:54:36,708
I understand that,
1297
00:54:36,751 --> 00:54:38,231
but if you really want
to do your job right,
1298
00:54:38,275 --> 00:54:39,145
you would do your homework,
1299
00:54:39,188 --> 00:54:40,320
you would do your research,
1300
00:54:40,364 --> 00:54:42,670
and you would realize
that he belongs.
1301
00:54:42,714 --> 00:54:44,629
- I am confident in saying,
1302
00:54:44,672 --> 00:54:48,197
"There is no largeromission from a major sport
1303
00:54:48,241 --> 00:54:50,896
Hall of Fame than
Kenny Sailors".
1304
00:54:50,939 --> 00:54:53,812
The only thing you can tell me
1305
00:54:53,855 --> 00:54:57,076
about why Kenny Sailorsshouldn't be in the Hall of Fame
1306
00:54:57,119 --> 00:54:59,818
is because Kenny
Sailors is not famous.
1307
00:55:01,167 --> 00:55:02,429
- Were you sayin',
1308
00:55:02,473 --> 00:55:03,952
talkin' about once you
had some endorsements,
1309
00:55:03,996 --> 00:55:05,606
but the club got the money?
1310
00:55:05,650 --> 00:55:07,608
- And what were you selling?
1311
00:55:13,179 --> 00:55:15,007
- Prune juice, huh?
1312
00:55:15,050 --> 00:55:18,924
That's supposed to
be for digestion?
1313
00:55:18,967 --> 00:55:20,186
- Oh, prune juice.
1314
00:55:23,276 --> 00:55:26,061
That was the Gatorade backin the day, prune juice?
1315
00:55:26,105 --> 00:55:27,367
Ew.
1316
00:55:27,411 --> 00:55:29,369
- "Nature's great
energy builder."
1317
00:55:29,413 --> 00:55:30,718
I gotta try that, actually.
1318
00:55:30,762 --> 00:55:31,763
- That's pretty good.
1319
00:55:31,806 --> 00:55:33,068
He's got a good smile.
1320
00:55:33,112 --> 00:55:34,766
He's repin' it, I like that.
1321
00:55:34,809 --> 00:55:36,420
- You know, I'm almost
40, at this point,
1322
00:55:36,463 --> 00:55:38,552
I'll try anything, so I
might have them give me
1323
00:55:38,596 --> 00:55:40,293
the Bennetts Prune Juice.
1324
00:55:40,337 --> 00:55:43,035
- I don't know if you cando that nowadays, but hey,
1325
00:55:43,078 --> 00:55:44,602
if it weren't for prune juice,
1326
00:55:44,645 --> 00:55:46,517
there probably wouldn't
have been a Gatorade.
1327
00:55:48,910 --> 00:55:50,303
- Yeah, we've talked
about this a lot,
1328
00:55:50,347 --> 00:55:51,696
and others have
contributed ideas
1329
00:55:51,739 --> 00:55:53,654
as to why Kenny's not
in the Hall of Fame.
1330
00:55:53,698 --> 00:55:56,091
It's a whole series
of events, I think,
1331
00:55:56,135 --> 00:55:58,703
but essentially, that he
disappeared for so long.
1332
00:55:58,746 --> 00:56:01,793
- It is as simple asout of sight, out of mind.
1333
00:56:01,836 --> 00:56:03,882
Kenny went away,
and all of a sudden,
1334
00:56:03,925 --> 00:56:06,232
his name became,"Remember Kenny Sailors?"
1335
00:56:06,275 --> 00:56:07,799
- The trail got lost
1336
00:56:07,842 --> 00:56:10,715
after he'd spent anotherlife time in another world.
1337
00:56:13,326 --> 00:56:14,283
- And, of course,
the question of
1338
00:56:14,327 --> 00:56:15,763
who invented the
modern jump shot
1339
00:56:15,807 --> 00:56:17,417
seemed to be almost irrelevant,
1340
00:56:17,461 --> 00:56:20,246
because everybody thoughtthat it's always existed,
1341
00:56:20,289 --> 00:56:21,203
so who cares?
1342
00:56:22,683 --> 00:56:24,511
- Every time we
did talk about it,
1343
00:56:24,555 --> 00:56:25,425
there were those that said,
1344
00:56:25,469 --> 00:56:27,906
"Well, he didn't invent it".
1345
00:56:27,949 --> 00:56:28,863
"These guys invented it."
1346
00:56:28,907 --> 00:56:30,865
- I mean, Luisetti.
1347
00:56:30,909 --> 00:56:32,389
- To a lot of people,
1348
00:56:32,432 --> 00:56:34,042
the jump shot wascredited to Hank Luisetti.
1349
00:56:34,086 --> 00:56:35,566
- I called Hank Luisetti.
1350
00:56:35,609 --> 00:56:37,829
He said, "I didn't
have a jump shot".
1351
00:56:37,872 --> 00:56:40,614
"I had a running one-hander."
1352
00:56:40,658 --> 00:56:41,746
- There's a debate over
1353
00:56:41,789 --> 00:56:43,008
the inventor of the jump shot,
1354
00:56:43,051 --> 00:56:45,010
because you have so
many definitions of it.
1355
00:56:45,053 --> 00:56:47,316
- When you start talking aboutthis, everybody's got a name.
1356
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:48,448
- John Miller Cooper.
1357
00:56:48,492 --> 00:56:50,015
- John Miller Cooper.
1358
00:56:50,058 --> 00:56:53,105
- So the story with John Cooperwas that he was in the post,
1359
00:56:53,148 --> 00:56:54,672
and someone threw him a pass
1360
00:56:54,715 --> 00:56:56,064
that he kinda had
to jump up to get,
1361
00:56:56,108 --> 00:56:58,937
and he just turned at thesame time, and shot it.
1362
00:56:58,980 --> 00:57:01,853
- You know, you talk aboutguys like Belus Smawley.
1363
00:57:01,896 --> 00:57:03,158
- I've covered Belus, so I know.
1364
00:57:03,202 --> 00:57:05,552
He was a two-handed
shot off this way,
1365
00:57:05,596 --> 00:57:07,206
kinda off to the side.
1366
00:57:07,249 --> 00:57:08,816
- It's one of those things,
1367
00:57:08,860 --> 00:57:11,297
that it's like ingrainedin our basketball culture,
1368
00:57:11,340 --> 00:57:14,518
your jump shot is
like your hand print.
1369
00:57:14,561 --> 00:57:16,737
- Even Joe Fulks, whowas a teammate of Kenny's,
1370
00:57:16,781 --> 00:57:17,869
had an unusual shot.
1371
00:57:17,912 --> 00:57:19,087
- A real pro-veteran,
1372
00:57:19,131 --> 00:57:20,915
"Jumpin' Joe Fulks".
- It was over his head,
1373
00:57:20,959 --> 00:57:24,832
the ball was up here, bothhands, he'd get a little height.
1374
00:57:24,876 --> 00:57:27,748
And boy, oh boy, how he
could shoot that thing.
1375
00:57:27,792 --> 00:57:31,099
- There might be 100 guys outthere that shot a jump shot
1376
00:57:31,143 --> 00:57:32,797
if you wanna count
leavin' the floor,
1377
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,756
and throwin' the ball towardthe bucket a jump shot.
1378
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,671
- The Hall of Fame
recognized Glenn Roberts
1379
00:57:37,715 --> 00:57:39,978
as the founder of the jump shot,
1380
00:57:40,021 --> 00:57:42,981
and they found him on
very sparse evidence.
1381
00:57:43,024 --> 00:57:45,853
- Who knows for sure, buthe was a guy in the '30s,
1382
00:57:45,897 --> 00:57:49,248
you know, had the shot,and put up great numbers.
1383
00:57:49,291 --> 00:57:50,423
- Clearly, Glenn Roberts
1384
00:57:50,467 --> 00:57:51,990
had a shot that was different
1385
00:57:52,033 --> 00:57:53,818
that involved
leaving the ground.
1386
00:57:53,861 --> 00:57:55,863
- But again, is it definitive?
1387
00:57:55,907 --> 00:57:57,430
No.
1388
00:57:57,474 --> 00:58:01,303
- People can legitimatelycontest a jump shot,
1389
00:58:01,347 --> 00:58:02,653
but not "the jump shot".
1390
00:58:08,354 --> 00:58:11,705
- The real thing that separatesKenny from everyone else,
1391
00:58:11,749 --> 00:58:13,446
if you're talking
about a jump shot,
1392
00:58:13,490 --> 00:58:15,796
is Kenny gave it its
coming out party.
1393
00:58:17,929 --> 00:58:18,973
- Kids in their community
1394
00:58:19,017 --> 00:58:20,801
started tryin' to
imitate that shot
1395
00:58:20,845 --> 00:58:23,151
as soon as they saw
it in "Life Magazine".
1396
00:58:24,892 --> 00:58:27,591
I had people tell me,
even ballplayers tell me
1397
00:58:27,634 --> 00:58:30,985
that that's the first pictureI ever saw of a jump shot.
1398
00:58:31,029 --> 00:58:32,770
- We've talked about
what it meant to be
1399
00:58:32,813 --> 00:58:36,643
on the main stage of MadisonSquare Garden in 1943.
1400
00:58:36,687 --> 00:58:40,821
"Life Magazine" was every bitas impactful, if not more.
1401
00:58:42,214 --> 00:58:44,695
- So here's this "Life
Magazine" picture,
1402
00:58:44,738 --> 00:58:47,698
read by and looked
at by kids like me
1403
00:58:47,741 --> 00:58:50,918
all over the country, saying,"What is happening here?"
1404
00:58:50,962 --> 00:58:52,790
- "Life Magazine"
was such a dominant
1405
00:58:52,833 --> 00:58:55,357
publication at the
time that, you know,
1406
00:58:55,401 --> 00:58:57,664
millions of people
see this shot,
1407
00:58:57,708 --> 00:59:00,449
and they realize thatsomeone has done something
1408
00:59:00,493 --> 00:59:01,886
that they don't normally see.
1409
00:59:01,929 --> 00:59:04,366
- Today, guys aretrained to go straight up,
1410
00:59:04,410 --> 00:59:06,151
but there was nobodytelling him how to do it,
1411
00:59:06,194 --> 00:59:07,718
because nobody had done it.
1412
00:59:07,761 --> 00:59:10,764
- Kids saw it, and thenthey went and tried to do it.
1413
00:59:12,287 --> 00:59:13,724
- Well, I used myjump shot everywhere I went.
1414
00:59:13,767 --> 00:59:16,814
In fact, when I played
with Providence,
1415
00:59:16,857 --> 00:59:19,077
they required me to goaround to the high school,
1416
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,384
and hold clinics on how toshoot the jump shot, yeah.
1417
00:59:22,428 --> 00:59:24,822
I kinda enjoyed that, so.
1418
00:59:24,865 --> 00:59:26,824
- You could use it as anargument to prove time travel.
1419
00:59:26,867 --> 00:59:31,916
I mean, it looks like thisguy from last night's NBA game
1420
00:59:31,959 --> 00:59:33,657
was plopped down into the era
1421
00:59:33,700 --> 00:59:36,355
of black leather shoes
and tight shorts.
1422
00:59:36,398 --> 00:59:38,400
This was the shot
that changed the game,
1423
00:59:38,444 --> 00:59:40,838
but nobody realized,
when he came down
1424
00:59:40,881 --> 00:59:42,666
the world was
gonna be different.
1425
00:59:44,363 --> 00:59:45,407
- Here, let
me clean you off here.
1426
00:59:45,451 --> 00:59:46,583
- I got it.
1427
00:59:48,410 --> 00:59:50,761
Keep it just like it
is in the front, Larry.
1428
00:59:50,804 --> 00:59:53,024
- It's just amazing to me
1429
00:59:53,067 --> 00:59:55,896
that with all the
evidence we've piled up
1430
00:59:55,940 --> 00:59:57,811
in the last 10 years, you know,
1431
00:59:57,855 --> 01:00:00,466
and he still denies culpability.
1432
01:00:00,509 --> 01:00:02,555
- And who knows,
back in the 1800s,
1433
01:00:02,599 --> 01:00:05,689
some kid out in PodunkHigh could jump in the air,
1434
01:00:05,732 --> 01:00:07,865
and throw the ball, couldn't he?
1435
01:00:07,908 --> 01:00:10,041
It's a jump shot if his
feet leaves the floor.
1436
01:00:11,216 --> 01:00:12,652
- He's not the
type of individual
1437
01:00:12,696 --> 01:00:14,611
who's going to speak against
1438
01:00:14,654 --> 01:00:16,482
the accomplishments
of other people.
1439
01:00:16,525 --> 01:00:19,790
When I spoke to Kenny,he was careful to confine
1440
01:00:19,833 --> 01:00:22,314
absolutes to what he knew.
1441
01:00:22,357 --> 01:00:23,794
- Kenny won't tellyou that he's the first.
1442
01:00:23,837 --> 01:00:25,273
You know, he's too
humble for that.
1443
01:00:25,317 --> 01:00:26,884
- But he's
happy to tell ya
1444
01:00:26,927 --> 01:00:29,103
that this is what otherplayers in my era thought.
1445
01:00:29,147 --> 01:00:31,671
- Ray Meyer from DePaul, hesaid it the best, I think.
1446
01:00:31,715 --> 01:00:33,499
"Sailors may not have
been the first player
1447
01:00:33,542 --> 01:00:34,979
to jump in the air,
and shoot the ball,
1448
01:00:35,022 --> 01:00:37,677
but he developed the shotthat's being used today."
1449
01:00:46,338 --> 01:00:47,687
- In case he hasn't seen it,
1450
01:00:47,731 --> 01:00:51,343
I'm gonna bring him a copyof the nomination packet
1451
01:00:51,386 --> 01:00:54,476
for the Naismith Hall ofFame, and he may have seen it.
1452
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,218
I'm not sure, but I'm
just bringing one along.
1453
01:00:57,262 --> 01:00:59,699
The nomination packet we
have for Kenny Sailors
1454
01:00:59,743 --> 01:01:01,788
is a knock your
socks off package.
1455
01:01:05,357 --> 01:01:06,314
- Come in, Jim!
1456
01:01:07,664 --> 01:01:08,926
- Where's my buddy?
1457
01:01:08,969 --> 01:01:10,754
There he is.
1458
01:01:11,711 --> 01:01:12,886
- How you doin'?
1459
01:01:12,930 --> 01:01:14,322
- Kenny was fortunate
when he came back
1460
01:01:14,366 --> 01:01:16,673
that there were somepeople in his inner circle
1461
01:01:16,716 --> 01:01:17,978
who cared about his legacy.
1462
01:01:18,022 --> 01:01:20,328
- Have you seen the packetfor the Hall of Fame?
1463
01:01:20,372 --> 01:01:21,721
Have you seen one of those?- No,
1464
01:01:21,765 --> 01:01:22,940
I haven't seen it.
1465
01:01:22,983 --> 01:01:25,899
"Developer of the
modern jump shot."
1466
01:01:25,943 --> 01:01:27,945
Yeah, that's pretty accurate.
1467
01:01:27,988 --> 01:01:31,557
That looks like the--
- This is Utah State
1468
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,080
in Hells Half Acre.
1469
01:01:33,124 --> 01:01:35,735
Now, there's your
"Life Magazine" shot.
1470
01:01:35,779 --> 01:01:36,649
- Yeah.
1471
01:01:36,693 --> 01:01:37,824
And that crazy jump shot,
1472
01:01:37,868 --> 01:01:39,696
it's really got me into trouble.
1473
01:01:40,958 --> 01:01:43,743
It's bigger than Ithought it would ever be.
1474
01:01:43,787 --> 01:01:47,051
I never give a thought backwhen I was first developin' it
1475
01:01:47,094 --> 01:01:49,444
that it would develop intosomethin' like it is today.
1476
01:01:49,488 --> 01:01:51,316
- The sport of basketball'sseen many names
1477
01:01:51,359 --> 01:01:52,709
shape its rich history,
1478
01:01:52,752 --> 01:01:54,754
but there's one name
that escapes memory.
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01:01:54,798 --> 01:01:55,799
- Not only is Kenny Sailors
1480
01:01:55,842 --> 01:01:57,148
one of the great
players of all time,
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01:01:57,191 --> 01:01:58,279
he's the guy who first
thought of the idea
1482
01:01:58,323 --> 01:01:59,933
of shooting a jump shot.
1483
01:01:59,977 --> 01:02:04,285
- As aplayer/pioneer/contributor,Sailors has few equals.
1484
01:02:05,809 --> 01:02:07,158
- For where would basketballbe without Kenny Sailors,
1485
01:02:07,201 --> 01:02:09,769
and what is known
today as the jump shot?
1486
01:02:09,813 --> 01:02:12,859
- We've had CBS comeout, and do a feature on him.
1487
01:02:12,903 --> 01:02:16,254
- The University ofWyoming has done a tremendous
1488
01:02:16,297 --> 01:02:20,345
service to unearth thisstory in the last 10 years.
1489
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:22,782
- It's not
about Kenny, to him,
1490
01:02:22,826 --> 01:02:24,828
but he does it to raise the bar
1491
01:02:24,871 --> 01:02:26,177
for the University of Wyoming,
1492
01:02:26,220 --> 01:02:28,701
and raise the bar
for his teammates.
1493
01:02:28,745 --> 01:02:29,615
- The "New
York Daily News"
1494
01:02:29,658 --> 01:02:31,704
did a feature on him last year.
1495
01:02:31,748 --> 01:02:34,446
- Kenny Sailors is not
just a Wyoming treasure,
1496
01:02:34,489 --> 01:02:35,926
but he's a treasure
for the game.
1497
01:02:35,969 --> 01:02:40,669
- He led Wyoming to the
1943 NCAA Championships.
1498
01:02:40,713 --> 01:02:41,714
They did beat Georgetown.
1499
01:02:41,758 --> 01:02:42,802
Patrick did not
play in that game.
1500
01:02:42,846 --> 01:02:44,325
He's not quite that old.
1501
01:02:44,369 --> 01:02:46,806
- Sailors belongs in theNaismith Memorial Hall of Fame.
1502
01:02:46,850 --> 01:02:48,329
I mean, you've got the guy
1503
01:02:48,373 --> 01:02:50,114
who invented the 24-secondshot clock in the Hall of Fame.
1504
01:02:50,157 --> 01:02:52,116
You can't get the guy whoinvented the jump shot
1505
01:02:52,159 --> 01:02:53,073
in the Hall of Fame?
1506
01:02:55,206 --> 01:02:57,382
- He was involved
in an ESPN special,
1507
01:02:57,425 --> 01:03:00,515
narrating for the 75thanniversary of the Final Four.
1508
01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:02,822
- Who better a person
to narrate a story
1509
01:03:02,866 --> 01:03:04,824
about the history of
the NCA Tournament
1510
01:03:04,868 --> 01:03:07,174
than the man who
invented the jump shot?
1511
01:03:07,218 --> 01:03:08,436
- Please
give a round of applause
1512
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,396
for Kenny Sailors.
1513
01:03:11,439 --> 01:03:12,701
- You know, since
I've been here,
1514
01:03:12,745 --> 01:03:14,834
I've been asked by
quite a few people,
1515
01:03:14,878 --> 01:03:17,097
you know, if I'm
happy to be here.
1516
01:03:18,316 --> 01:03:21,710
And, you know, at
92-years of age
1517
01:03:21,754 --> 01:03:22,886
you're happy to be anywhere.
1518
01:03:29,457 --> 01:03:31,895
- I always marveledat how he'd come up here,
1519
01:03:31,938 --> 01:03:35,376
he's 92-years-old, and
he'd walk the arena
1520
01:03:35,420 --> 01:03:39,511
as if he was a, I don'tknow, 60 or 70-year-old guy.
1521
01:03:39,554 --> 01:03:40,904
- Kenny's
always in the outdoors,
1522
01:03:40,947 --> 01:03:42,731
and he's always
playin' basketball,
1523
01:03:42,775 --> 01:03:44,733
and he always stayed in shape.
1524
01:03:44,777 --> 01:03:45,822
- And he could
go out and shoot
1525
01:03:45,865 --> 01:03:47,562
left-handed,
right-handed on a court,
1526
01:03:47,606 --> 01:03:49,260
put up layups,
little hook shots.
1527
01:03:49,303 --> 01:03:52,872
- He was dribblin' thebasketball between his legs.
1528
01:03:52,916 --> 01:03:55,875
For God sake, I can't
even find my leg.
1529
01:03:55,919 --> 01:03:58,486
- He can yo-yo up
and down crosswise,
1530
01:03:58,530 --> 01:04:00,880
and he could still do
all this stuff today.
1531
01:04:00,924 --> 01:04:04,753
You won't see many
90-plus-year-olds
being able to do that.
1532
01:04:05,754 --> 01:04:07,582
- That was my jump shot.
1533
01:04:07,626 --> 01:04:10,020
- You take away all the
business, all the media,
1534
01:04:10,063 --> 01:04:11,978
all the hype around the game,
1535
01:04:12,022 --> 01:04:16,113
and you wanna see purelove, look at Kenny Sailors.
1536
01:04:18,767 --> 01:04:22,728
- Kenny is still around, andeverybody sees him at games.
1537
01:04:22,771 --> 01:04:24,773
People like to be around him.
1538
01:04:24,817 --> 01:04:27,689
Children, they wanna
get his autograph.
1539
01:04:27,733 --> 01:04:30,388
- Was goin' to Wyomingpractices at 80-years-old,
1540
01:04:30,431 --> 01:04:32,390
like, I know I probably,
1541
01:04:32,433 --> 01:04:33,870
if I've been playin'
the game for that long,
1542
01:04:33,913 --> 01:04:35,393
I'm not going to
a random practice
1543
01:04:35,436 --> 01:04:37,264
on a Tuesday and Wednesdayjust to check it out.
1544
01:04:37,308 --> 01:04:38,918
That's just love for the game.
1545
01:04:40,528 --> 01:04:42,879
- I practiced a littlebit, .
1546
01:04:43,705 --> 01:04:45,272
- Ready?
- Ready.
1547
01:04:45,316 --> 01:04:46,447
- You'd look at him and say,
1548
01:04:46,491 --> 01:04:48,710
"I think Kenny
Sailors could go on",
1549
01:04:48,754 --> 01:04:51,713
who's know how long hecould go on, in the 100s.
1550
01:04:51,757 --> 01:04:53,237
- I know I'm an old man,
1551
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,544
and I know I can't dotoday what I did when I was
1552
01:04:57,763 --> 01:05:01,027
even in my 70s, even
come close to it.
1553
01:05:01,071 --> 01:05:04,161
Yeah, I was still guidin'some when I was in my 70s.
1554
01:05:04,204 --> 01:05:06,119
Yeah, and I could
climb that mountain
1555
01:05:06,163 --> 01:05:07,729
after that white
sheep, and stuff,
1556
01:05:07,773 --> 01:05:09,862
but that was still, you know,
1557
01:05:09,906 --> 01:05:10,863
I shouldn't have been, probably,
1558
01:05:10,907 --> 01:05:12,517
because it is dangerous.
1559
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:15,085
And I can still talk withpeople pretty well, so.
1560
01:05:15,128 --> 01:05:18,392
And I can still do the thingsthat someone my age can do.
1561
01:05:18,436 --> 01:05:21,004
It's the physical things
that I can't do, yeah,
1562
01:05:21,047 --> 01:05:22,788
and I don't even wanna try.
1563
01:05:24,442 --> 01:05:26,270
I wanna stay as healthy as I can
1564
01:05:26,313 --> 01:05:28,315
up until the time
I get out of here.
1565
01:05:28,359 --> 01:05:30,448
I don't wanna have to
go into a nursing home,
1566
01:05:30,491 --> 01:05:32,885
or spend a long time
in the hospital,
1567
01:05:32,929 --> 01:05:34,843
or somethin', you know?
1568
01:05:34,887 --> 01:05:36,933
I don't want people
to have the trouble
1569
01:05:36,976 --> 01:05:38,804
of tryin' to take care
of me when I get older.
1570
01:05:38,847 --> 01:05:40,110
There's the whole thing.
1571
01:05:52,078 --> 01:05:52,905
Yeah.
1572
01:05:54,820 --> 01:05:55,603
Okay.
1573
01:05:59,781 --> 01:06:01,392
Okay, I got her.
1574
01:06:04,917 --> 01:06:07,398
- Well, Kenny'sslowed down a little bit,
1575
01:06:07,441 --> 01:06:09,878
and remarkably
so, will tell you.
1576
01:06:12,055 --> 01:06:13,882
He doesn't like getting
out quite as much
1577
01:06:13,926 --> 01:06:16,668
just 'cause it's harderfor him to stand and walk
1578
01:06:16,711 --> 01:06:18,061
for extended periods of time.
1579
01:06:21,847 --> 01:06:24,110
- What's amazing for a
man who's been so proud
1580
01:06:24,154 --> 01:06:26,330
of what he could do
for so long on his own,
1581
01:06:26,373 --> 01:06:28,375
he's accepted these thingswith a lot of grace,
1582
01:06:28,419 --> 01:06:29,942
and that's not easy.
1583
01:06:29,986 --> 01:06:31,074
- Well, hi, Betty.
1584
01:06:32,205 --> 01:06:33,511
- He focuses
on the positive,
1585
01:06:33,554 --> 01:06:35,252
and I think that's why
he's the person he is,
1586
01:06:35,295 --> 01:06:37,994
and the person he hasbeen for quite some time.
1587
01:06:38,037 --> 01:06:39,212
- Sat over here.
1588
01:06:39,256 --> 01:06:41,171
- He still feels like
he has a purpose,
1589
01:06:41,214 --> 01:06:44,304
that's what keeps him goin',and makes him most fulfilled.
1590
01:06:44,348 --> 01:06:45,697
- I tried to get him to
1591
01:06:45,740 --> 01:06:47,046
pay attention to me.
- There you go.
1592
01:06:47,090 --> 01:06:48,047
- You never did.
1593
01:06:48,091 --> 01:06:49,396
- She's lyin'.
1594
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,529
You know, it was just
the other way around.
1595
01:06:51,572 --> 01:06:52,791
- Yeah, ha.- She wouldn't look at me.
1596
01:06:52,834 --> 01:06:54,314
- Ha ha ha.
- Yeah, she wouldn't
1597
01:06:54,358 --> 01:06:56,664
have anything to do with me.- Yeah.
1598
01:06:56,708 --> 01:06:59,145
- Here, I thought you were thegreatest girl in high school.
1599
01:06:59,189 --> 01:07:00,451
- Oh, baloney.
1600
01:07:02,018 --> 01:07:03,758
- Kenny's always had
a good sense of humor.
1601
01:07:03,802 --> 01:07:07,066
He is not too proud toaccept kidding about himself.
1602
01:07:07,110 --> 01:07:08,372
- Be careful with that hat.
1603
01:07:08,415 --> 01:07:10,200
I mean, I don't want
you to get it dirty.
1604
01:07:10,243 --> 01:07:12,463
- I don't wanna geta disease from this hat.
1605
01:07:12,506 --> 01:07:14,987
That's a stinky, smelly, old hat
1606
01:07:15,031 --> 01:07:16,293
- Oh, come on, Bill.
- that should be
1607
01:07:16,336 --> 01:07:18,164
probably buried
outside with a skunk.
1608
01:07:18,208 --> 01:07:22,821
- Ha, yeah, that hat's
got a lot of prestige,
1609
01:07:22,864 --> 01:07:24,301
and I'll tell ya,
1610
01:07:24,344 --> 01:07:25,954
well, you can tell
by lookin' at it.
1611
01:07:25,998 --> 01:07:27,782
- Well, it looks like alot of interesting things
1612
01:07:27,826 --> 01:07:29,132
have happened to this
hat, probably a lot
1613
01:07:29,175 --> 01:07:30,698
more than sweat.
- Well, the horse
1614
01:07:30,742 --> 01:07:33,049
drank water out of it,
and ate oats out of it,
1615
01:07:33,092 --> 01:07:36,443
and we did all sorts of
things with that hat.
1616
01:07:36,487 --> 01:07:38,271
- What else did you--
- I drank out of it.
1617
01:07:38,315 --> 01:07:40,926
But you can tell by lookin'at it, it's had a few years.
1618
01:07:40,969 --> 01:07:42,275
- So can I put this on your head
1619
01:07:42,319 --> 01:07:43,929
just to see what it
looks like today?
1620
01:07:43,972 --> 01:07:48,107
I think it's good for him,and for me, to test his wit.
1621
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:50,283
Keeps him sharp.
1622
01:07:50,327 --> 01:07:53,504
He's gotta have comebacks,and he can dish it right back.
1623
01:07:53,547 --> 01:07:56,550
- I treat this hat with
a lot of respect, Bill.
1624
01:07:56,594 --> 01:07:57,682
- It doesn't deserve any.
1625
01:08:05,994 --> 01:08:08,388
- Anytime
Kenny's in the building,
1626
01:08:08,432 --> 01:08:11,217
I wanna make sure heunderstands the love's there.
1627
01:08:11,261 --> 01:08:12,436
- Hi, Coach.
1628
01:08:12,479 --> 01:08:14,002
Excuse me for not gettin' up.
1629
01:08:14,046 --> 01:08:15,308
- You don't have to get up.
1630
01:08:15,352 --> 01:08:16,918
I'm supposed to get
up for the old man.
1631
01:08:16,962 --> 01:08:18,442
You're not supposed toget up for the young man.
1632
01:08:18,485 --> 01:08:19,225
- Okay.
1633
01:08:19,269 --> 01:08:20,052
- How you doin'?
1634
01:08:20,096 --> 01:08:20,966
- He wanders our halls.
1635
01:08:21,009 --> 01:08:22,489
He comes to our games.
1636
01:08:22,533 --> 01:08:23,925
He hugs our kids when we lose.
1637
01:08:23,969 --> 01:08:25,492
He hugs our kids when we win.
1638
01:08:25,536 --> 01:08:28,321
We're fortunate that he'sbeen part of our experience.
1639
01:08:29,714 --> 01:08:31,194
- Three-up, guys.
1640
01:08:31,237 --> 01:08:34,588
- Sometimes what you give getsthrown back to you tenfold,
1641
01:08:34,632 --> 01:08:35,850
and that's the dream, I think,
1642
01:08:35,894 --> 01:08:37,852
all of us have
for Kenny Sailors.
1643
01:08:37,896 --> 01:08:38,853
- You bet.
1644
01:08:38,897 --> 01:08:40,072
- He's
already put his name
1645
01:08:40,116 --> 01:08:41,247
amongst the greatest
college players,
1646
01:08:41,291 --> 01:08:43,336
he and the College
Basketball Hall of Fame,
1647
01:08:43,380 --> 01:08:44,555
but it would be
great for him to be
1648
01:08:44,598 --> 01:08:45,860
in the Naismith Hall of Fame,
1649
01:08:45,904 --> 01:08:47,558
and have his name
with all those great
1650
01:08:47,601 --> 01:08:49,821
college and
professional players.
1651
01:08:49,864 --> 01:08:51,562
- Everyone
who knows his story
1652
01:08:51,605 --> 01:08:53,259
would love to see
this happen for him
1653
01:08:53,303 --> 01:08:55,000
when he can appreciate
it, when he can live it,
1654
01:08:55,043 --> 01:08:56,610
when he can know
that he went down
1655
01:08:56,654 --> 01:08:58,046
with the greatest
basketball players ever,
1656
01:08:58,090 --> 01:08:58,960
and he'll be there forever.
1657
01:08:59,004 --> 01:09:00,614
He deserves to know that.
1658
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:03,878
- The sooner the
election, the better.
1659
01:09:03,922 --> 01:09:06,359
- It's a borrowed
time situation.
1660
01:09:06,403 --> 01:09:08,405
It would be great right now.
1661
01:09:08,448 --> 01:09:12,887
- Please welcome your host
1662
01:09:12,931 --> 01:09:14,324
for the NBA All-Star
1663
01:09:14,367 --> 01:09:17,457
Naismith Memorial Hall
of Fame announcement--
1664
01:09:17,501 --> 01:09:18,719
- It is a big day.
1665
01:09:18,763 --> 01:09:20,721
A lot of people
have worked a lot.
1666
01:09:20,765 --> 01:09:22,419
- Yeah, you know, this weekend,
1667
01:09:22,462 --> 01:09:24,072
hopefully we'll
get some good news.
1668
01:09:24,116 --> 01:09:28,468
- It's so exciting justthinking about if it happens.
1669
01:09:28,512 --> 01:09:30,731
- I think Kenny's probablyhandelin' it the best.
1670
01:09:30,775 --> 01:09:32,516
But for those of us
who really would like
1671
01:09:32,559 --> 01:09:33,821
to see him get this honor,
1672
01:09:33,865 --> 01:09:35,606
we're probably a little
more anxious than he is.
1673
01:09:35,649 --> 01:09:36,737
- Good morning, everybody,
1674
01:09:36,781 --> 01:09:38,130
and thank you for
joining us here.
1675
01:09:38,174 --> 01:09:39,610
A very special welcome to
1676
01:09:39,653 --> 01:09:41,307
all of our friendswatching around the world
1677
01:09:41,351 --> 01:09:42,961
on NBA--
- Well, that's the
1678
01:09:43,004 --> 01:09:45,616
million dollar question,
"Does he have a chance?"
1679
01:09:45,659 --> 01:09:48,923
- Truthfully, I think
they're about 50/50.
1680
01:09:48,967 --> 01:09:50,273
It should be 100%.
1681
01:09:50,316 --> 01:09:52,275
- We need to get to
now the introduction
1682
01:09:52,318 --> 01:09:56,453
of the first members of theHall of Fame class of 2015.
1683
01:10:02,328 --> 01:10:03,242
- Oh, shit.
1684
01:10:10,554 --> 01:10:12,338
I'm so down in some ways,
1685
01:10:12,382 --> 01:10:14,819
and then I'm so pissed
off in other ways.
1686
01:10:14,862 --> 01:10:18,649
And to me, it goes back
to the two basic areas.
1687
01:10:18,692 --> 01:10:22,870
One, it happened so long
ago it's not relevant.
1688
01:10:22,914 --> 01:10:24,785
And then the second
part of it is,
1689
01:10:24,829 --> 01:10:28,093
we just haven't reallyproved our case well enough.
1690
01:10:29,312 --> 01:10:30,878
I need to sit down,
and think about this,
1691
01:10:30,922 --> 01:10:32,010
and I think all of us do.
1692
01:10:32,053 --> 01:10:35,796
But from winning you
get some feedback,
1693
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:37,494
and from losing you
get some feedback,
1694
01:10:37,537 --> 01:10:40,148
and I think that we get
all our ducks in a row,
1695
01:10:40,192 --> 01:10:42,890
and then we bang 'em
early for next year.
1696
01:10:42,934 --> 01:10:45,066
Please believe me,
this aint finished.
1697
01:10:46,590 --> 01:10:48,809
- When Kenny Sailors getsinto the Hall of Fame
1698
01:10:48,853 --> 01:10:51,812
it will, unfortunately,
be a ripple.
1699
01:10:51,856 --> 01:10:53,510
Not with a bang, but a whimper.
1700
01:10:55,555 --> 01:10:56,948
It will, however,
1701
01:10:56,991 --> 01:11:00,212
complete the Naismith MemorialBasketball Hall of Fame,
1702
01:11:00,256 --> 01:11:02,083
because right now
it's incomplete,
1703
01:11:02,127 --> 01:11:04,999
and it can't be
complete without Kenny.
1704
01:11:05,043 --> 01:11:06,000
- The evidence is there.
1705
01:11:06,044 --> 01:11:07,175
It's been there.
1706
01:11:07,219 --> 01:11:08,829
You're hopin' that over time,
1707
01:11:08,873 --> 01:11:12,050
maybe the next year somehow,they see it differently
1708
01:11:12,093 --> 01:11:13,834
than they saw it a year before.
1709
01:11:13,878 --> 01:11:16,750
But I just don't think peopleare gonna appreciate something
1710
01:11:16,794 --> 01:11:19,318
that happened, in their
eyes, so long ago.
1711
01:11:19,362 --> 01:11:21,973
- His name, his accolades,it's just his whole legacy
1712
01:11:22,016 --> 01:11:23,104
should be in the Hall of Fame,
1713
01:11:23,148 --> 01:11:24,671
and his family
deserves that as well.
1714
01:11:26,064 --> 01:11:28,414
We're gonna keep fightinguntil we get him in there.
1715
01:11:28,458 --> 01:11:32,723
- The game is built onwhat the pioneers have done
1716
01:11:32,766 --> 01:11:36,335
in every era, and
we owe 'em a lot,
1717
01:11:36,379 --> 01:11:38,381
because that's the
foundation of the game,
1718
01:11:38,424 --> 01:11:40,339
and you see trial and error,
1719
01:11:40,383 --> 01:11:43,560
you see innovation atthat time, and new things,
1720
01:11:43,603 --> 01:11:46,258
like Kenny Sailors
and the jump shot.
1721
01:11:46,302 --> 01:11:47,999
- His story has to be told.
1722
01:11:48,042 --> 01:11:51,481
Now that I know, I'm gonnatake it to the Hall of Fame.
1723
01:11:51,524 --> 01:11:55,049
I'm gonna share this storywith other athletes and people
1724
01:11:55,093 --> 01:11:59,184
so they know the origin
of where this started.
1725
01:11:59,227 --> 01:12:03,101
- All of us that have everplayed or coached the game
1726
01:12:03,144 --> 01:12:08,149
should have a picture of KennySailors' ass up somewhere
1727
01:12:09,673 --> 01:12:13,720
that we can kiss every timewe go into the locker room.
1728
01:12:13,764 --> 01:12:15,243
- I want Sailors'
family just to know
1729
01:12:15,287 --> 01:12:16,680
that we appreciate him.
1730
01:12:16,723 --> 01:12:18,812
We appreciate what
he did for the game.
1731
01:12:18,856 --> 01:12:20,553
We appreciate just
the level of teaching
1732
01:12:20,597 --> 01:12:23,034
that he brought after hefinished playing the game.
1733
01:12:24,383 --> 01:12:25,906
It's just something
I've never seen before.
1734
01:12:25,950 --> 01:12:29,519
Just to love and care forother people, and for the game,
1735
01:12:29,562 --> 01:12:31,347
that's just an amazing
man right there.
1736
01:12:31,390 --> 01:12:33,958
- I don't think to this
day Kenny is interested
1737
01:12:34,001 --> 01:12:36,569
in his legacy as a jump shooter.
1738
01:12:36,613 --> 01:12:38,745
He doesn't care that he'sthe first jump shooter.
1739
01:12:38,789 --> 01:12:40,138
He doesn't even wanna
talk about that.
1740
01:12:40,181 --> 01:12:42,923
He's interested in talkingabout what he had to do
1741
01:12:42,967 --> 01:12:44,708
to be the best
version of himself.
1742
01:12:45,883 --> 01:12:47,798
- There's only
one number retired
1743
01:12:47,841 --> 01:12:50,888
at the University of Wyoming,and that's number four.
1744
01:12:50,931 --> 01:12:53,673
If you've got a
legacy in that size,
1745
01:12:53,717 --> 01:12:58,374
you've got a high ladder toclimb to reach Kenny Sailors.
1746
01:12:58,417 --> 01:12:59,723
- This is probably the quote
1747
01:12:59,766 --> 01:13:01,855
that summed Kenny up
the best for me I said,
1748
01:13:01,899 --> 01:13:03,291
"Do you wanna go into
the Hall of Fame?"
1749
01:13:03,335 --> 01:13:05,468
He says, "Oh, sure I wannago into the Hall of Fame".
1750
01:13:05,511 --> 01:13:06,773
"It'd mean a great deal to me."
1751
01:13:06,817 --> 01:13:08,688
"Basketball's done
a lot for me."
1752
01:13:08,732 --> 01:13:11,909
I told Jim Brandenburg that,and he laughed and said,
1753
01:13:11,952 --> 01:13:13,693
"Kenny's got that backwards".
1754
01:13:13,737 --> 01:13:16,392
"Nobody's ever done morefor basketball than Kenny."
1755
01:13:20,396 --> 01:13:22,049
- I guess, from a
world standpoint,
1756
01:13:22,093 --> 01:13:24,965
they'd probably say, "I had acalling to play basketball".
1757
01:13:27,272 --> 01:13:30,275
Since it's worked out,
basketball's given
me an opportunity
1758
01:13:30,318 --> 01:13:32,451
to speak to people thatprobably wouldn't have even
1759
01:13:32,495 --> 01:13:34,758
spoke to me if I hadn't
been a good ball player.
1760
01:13:36,324 --> 01:13:39,458
And the Lord uses these thingsin the lives of individuals.
1761
01:13:39,502 --> 01:13:41,721
My case, it was sports,
and the jump shot.
1762
01:13:44,768 --> 01:13:46,813
Yeah, I'm not in
the Hall of Fame.
1763
01:13:46,857 --> 01:13:48,075
So far, I've never made it.
1764
01:13:49,729 --> 01:13:52,166
If I were to make the
Hall of Fame today,
1765
01:13:52,210 --> 01:13:54,125
oh, you know, it'd be nice.
1766
01:13:54,168 --> 01:13:56,780
I mean, I'm a human beingjust like everybody else.
1767
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:02,699
But I know I belong tothe greatest Hall of Fame
1768
01:14:02,742 --> 01:14:04,788
that any man or woman
can ever belong to,
1769
01:14:06,442 --> 01:14:09,096
and when you belong to that,and you know you belong to it,
1770
01:14:09,140 --> 01:14:10,881
you don't worry about
these Halls of Fames
1771
01:14:10,924 --> 01:14:12,709
that men create down here.
1772
01:14:12,752 --> 01:14:14,362
Don't mean that much to you.
1773
01:14:28,551 --> 01:14:29,900
- Wyoming's Kenny Sailors,
1774
01:14:29,943 --> 01:14:33,381
who had just turned95-years-of-age two weeks ago,
1775
01:14:33,425 --> 01:14:36,167
passed away in his sleepthis morning at 2:50 a.m.
1776
01:14:38,038 --> 01:14:39,866
Here in Laramie, Wyoming.
1777
01:14:39,910 --> 01:14:41,999
I'll just say this,
there's no bigger fan,
1778
01:14:42,042 --> 01:14:45,829
or a fellow that lovedCowboy and Cowgirl basketball
1779
01:14:45,872 --> 01:14:47,831
as much as Kenny Sailors.
1780
01:15:08,199 --> 01:15:11,681
- I remember one time we werewatchin' the NCAA Tournament,
1781
01:15:11,724 --> 01:15:15,511
and I asked Kenny about hisFinal Four, and he said,
1782
01:15:15,554 --> 01:15:18,905
"Well, my Final Four
would be God, husband,
1783
01:15:18,949 --> 01:15:21,821
father, and US Marine
in that order".
1784
01:15:21,865 --> 01:15:23,693
I noticed that basketballwas not on the list,
1785
01:15:23,736 --> 01:15:25,085
and he said, "Yeah".
1786
01:15:25,129 --> 01:15:26,434
He said, "Those are the mostimportant things to me".
1787
01:15:26,478 --> 01:15:27,784
"Those are my Final Four."
1788
01:17:19,939 --> 01:17:22,463
- When we think
about UW athletes,
1789
01:17:22,507 --> 01:17:25,815
it's not just what they do onthe court, or on the field,
1790
01:17:25,858 --> 01:17:27,773
it's how they represent
the university,
1791
01:17:27,817 --> 01:17:29,819
how they represent
the state of Wyoming
1792
01:17:29,862 --> 01:17:32,865
that gives us such
pride in what they do.
1793
01:17:32,909 --> 01:17:37,609
Today, we recognize one veryspecial athlete, Kenny Sailors.
1794
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:47,140
- Well, a statue wasunveiled of my grandfather.
1795
01:17:47,184 --> 01:17:49,839
The first thing I thoughtwas, "That is so huge".
1796
01:17:51,318 --> 01:17:54,582
- It's a great replica ofhis shot in all the detail.
1797
01:17:54,626 --> 01:17:57,629
It brings him back to
life just a little bit.
1798
01:17:57,673 --> 01:17:59,892
- Kenny Sailors, as you
look at this statue,
1799
01:17:59,936 --> 01:18:01,894
it's larger than life,
which is appropriate,
1800
01:18:01,938 --> 01:18:03,766
because he certainly
was that way.
1801
01:18:03,809 --> 01:18:05,637
- I think of all the
things we've done here,
1802
01:18:05,681 --> 01:18:08,814
I'm most proud of this
because of that man.
1803
01:18:08,858 --> 01:18:12,818
I don't know if you can
ever tribute him enough,
1804
01:18:12,862 --> 01:18:15,952
but this is about as
good as we could do.
1805
01:18:15,995 --> 01:18:17,736
- It's almost surreal.
1806
01:18:17,780 --> 01:18:20,304
It makes me feel reallyproud that I'm a Sailors.
1807
01:18:20,347 --> 01:18:22,132
- It's appropriate
we celebrate somebody
1808
01:18:22,175 --> 01:18:25,744
that has meant so much tothis state, to the game,
1809
01:18:25,788 --> 01:18:27,703
and not just when
he was playing,
1810
01:18:27,746 --> 01:18:30,706
but he always gave
back to the community.
1811
01:18:30,749 --> 01:18:32,446
A great UW Cowboy.
1812
01:18:33,839 --> 01:18:36,712
- I know he'd be embarrassed,and he'd be mad at us,
1813
01:18:36,755 --> 01:18:41,020
but we're very proud thatit turned out as it did.
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