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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 Advertise your product or brand here contact www.OpenSubtitles.org today 2 00:00:30,900 --> 00:00:32,500 I will kill you! 3 00:00:45,900 --> 00:00:48,000 ...and that concludes the court's explanation 4 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,200 of the legal aspects of this case. 5 00:00:52,100 --> 00:00:56,100 And now gentlemen of the jury I come to my final instructions to you. 6 00:00:56,900 --> 00:00:58,900 Murder in the first degree, 7 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,300 premeditated homicide is the most serious charge tried in our criminal courts. 8 00:01:04,900 --> 00:01:06,900 You've listened to the testimony, 9 00:01:06,900 --> 00:01:11,900 you've had the law read to you and interpreted as it applies to this case. 10 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:18,500 It now becomes your duty to try to separate the facts from the fancy. 11 00:01:19,900 --> 00:01:24,100 One man is dead. The life of another is at stake. 12 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,400 I urge you to deliberate thoughtfully and honestly. 13 00:01:28,900 --> 00:01:34,000 If there is a reasonable doubt, you must bring me a verdict of not guilty. 14 00:01:34,900 --> 00:01:38,600 If however there is no reasonable doubt, you must, in good conscience, 15 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,200 find the accused guilty. 16 00:01:41,900 --> 00:01:44,400 Whatever your decision, your verdict must be unanimous. 17 00:01:46,100 --> 00:01:48,500 In the event that you do find the accused guilty, 18 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,400 the bench will not entertain a recommendation for mercy. 19 00:01:51,500 --> 00:01:54,900 Bear in mind that he could face the death penalty. 20 00:01:55,400 --> 00:02:00,300 I don't envy your job, you're faced with a grave responsibility gentlemen, thank you. 21 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,400 Can I get a couple of you gentlemen to help me pull those two tables together please? 22 00:02:52,500 --> 00:02:53,800 Hey, get some windows open man. 23 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,000 Yeah! 24 00:03:04,700 --> 00:03:07,000 - Piece of gum? - No, thank you. 25 00:03:08,100 --> 00:03:10,000 - Bad news. - What? 26 00:03:10,100 --> 00:03:11,100 You see the Weather Report? 27 00:03:11,100 --> 00:03:13,000 This is the hottest day of the year. 28 00:03:14,100 --> 00:03:15,500 Figures... 29 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,900 You'd think they could have air-conditioned the place, you know? 30 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,100 - I don't wanna drop dead in court... Piece of gum? - Yeah! 31 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:22,500 OK, gentlemen. Everybody's here. 32 00:03:22,500 --> 00:03:24,600 You want anything, I�ll be right outside the door. 33 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,700 Just hit the button 'n' I'll come right in. 34 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,100 Thanks. 35 00:03:33,500 --> 00:03:36,200 I never knew they locked the door. 36 00:03:36,300 --> 00:03:39,200 They always lock the door brother. What'd you think? 37 00:03:39,300 --> 00:03:42,200 I don't know. It just never occurred to me. 38 00:03:43,100 --> 00:03:46,800 - Hey, what's that for? - I figured we might wanna vote by ballot. 39 00:03:46,900 --> 00:03:50,200 That's a great idea. We might be able to get this boy elected senator. 40 00:03:52,300 --> 00:03:56,000 - Well, how'd you like it? - I don't know. It was pretty interesting. 41 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,900 - Yeah? I'm falling asleep. - What I mean is, I've never sat on a jury before. 42 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,500 I've sat on juries. 43 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,600 One thing that always amazes me is how these lawyers 44 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:11,800 can talk and talk, even on a case as obvious as this one. 45 00:04:11,900 --> 00:04:16,300 - I've never heard so much talk about nothin'. - Well, I guess they're entitled. 46 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,400 Oh sure, everyone's entitled to a fair trial, 47 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,500 I'd be the last one to say a thing against that, but... 48 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,000 sometimes I think, we ought to take these tough kids 49 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,000 and just slap 'em down, before they start trouble. 50 00:04:28,100 --> 00:04:29,400 It would save a lot of time and money. 51 00:04:29,500 --> 00:04:31,800 Mr. Foreman, would d'ya say, we get started here? 52 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,100 Yeah, let get this over with, we probably all got things to do. 53 00:04:34,300 --> 00:04:36,600 We might as well take a five minute break. There's a man in the bathroom. 54 00:04:36,900 --> 00:04:38,700 Are... we sitting in our own way? 55 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,000 So what do you think about the case? 56 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,200 I enjoyed it. No dead's bus, you know what I mean? 57 00:04:44,300 --> 00:04:46,200 We were lucky to get a murder case. 58 00:04:46,300 --> 00:04:49,200 I figured us for an assault or a burglary or something like that. 59 00:04:49,300 --> 00:04:50,600 These can be dull... 60 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,000 Hey, can you imagine, sitting in here for three days just for this? 61 00:05:06,100 --> 00:05:07,800 Yeah, how about that business with the knife? 62 00:05:07,900 --> 00:05:11,300 I mean, expecting normal people to believe that kind of bullshit. 63 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,200 Well you gotta expect that. You know what you're dealing with here. 64 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:17,800 What's the matter? You cold? 65 00:05:19,500 --> 00:05:22,500 Well, I can hardly touch my nose, you know what I mean? 66 00:05:23,900 --> 00:05:25,900 Your horn's alright. Try your lights. 67 00:05:27,500 --> 00:05:29,700 Ahh, this is beautiful! The air condition that doesn't work! 68 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,300 Somebody take a letter to the mayor. Dear stingy...! 69 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,400 I didn't get a chance to see the papers today. Anything new going on? 70 00:05:36,500 --> 00:05:38,700 I was just wondering how the market closed. 71 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:40,500 I wouldn't know. 72 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:41,800 You're in exchange or something? 73 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:42,800 No, no, I'm a broker. 74 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,700 Really? I run a messenger service, The Beck and Call Company. 75 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:52,000 My wife's idea. We employ 37 people. Started from nothing! 76 00:05:52,100 --> 00:05:55,000 Come on, Mr. Foreman, come on, what do you say, let's go here! 77 00:05:55,100 --> 00:05:57,000 Alright gentlemen, let's take seats. 78 00:05:57,100 --> 00:06:00,000 This better be fast, I got two tickets to the ball game tonight. 79 00:06:00,100 --> 00:06:05,400 Yanks and Cleveland. We've got this new kid Modjelewski in there. 80 00:06:05,500 --> 00:06:08,500 This kid, he's a real bull, you know, I mean... 81 00:06:09,900 --> 00:06:12,300 Talking about a real jug-handled. You know? 82 00:06:15,900 --> 00:06:17,700 You quite the baseball fan, eh? 83 00:06:18,100 --> 00:06:19,800 Where do you want us to sit? 84 00:06:19,900 --> 00:06:24,800 Well, I was thinking we'd just sit in order of jury number: 2,3,4... 85 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:26,200 I kinda like it. 86 00:06:26,300 --> 00:06:27,700 If that's alright with you gentlemen. 87 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,100 - Sure! - What's the difference? 88 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:30,500 I think it's reasonable to sit according to numbers. 89 00:06:32,700 --> 00:06:33,700 What was your impression of the prosecuting attorney? 90 00:06:33,700 --> 00:06:34,600 I beg your pardon? 91 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,100 I thought it was very sharp the way he handled 92 00:06:36,100 --> 00:06:38,600 all his points one by one, in logical sequence. 93 00:06:38,700 --> 00:06:40,500 Takes a good brain for that, I was very impressed. 94 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,300 Yes, he did an expert job. 95 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,100 They got a lot of drive these guys, you know, real drive. 96 00:06:44,100 --> 00:06:46,900 Let's get this show on the road! 97 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:48,900 You... you'd like to sit down? 98 00:06:50,700 --> 00:06:51,700 Gentleman at the window? 99 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:55,500 Would you like to sit down? 100 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,000 Oh... yeah, sorry! 101 00:06:59,900 --> 00:07:01,200 It's pretty tough, isn't it? 102 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,000 I mean, the kid just kills his father, bang... just like that! 103 00:07:04,100 --> 00:07:05,600 If you analyze the figures on the... 104 00:07:05,700 --> 00:07:07,400 Come on now, what figures? 105 00:07:07,500 --> 00:07:09,200 It's those people I'm telling you. 106 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,600 See, they just let the kids run wild out there. 107 00:07:11,700 --> 00:07:13,200 Maybe it serves 'em right, you know what I mean? 108 00:07:13,300 --> 00:07:14,800 Where's that elderly gentleman? 109 00:07:14,900 --> 00:07:16,400 He's in the bathroom. 110 00:07:16,500 --> 00:07:18,200 Would you knock on the door please? 111 00:07:18,300 --> 00:07:19,300 Sure. 112 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:20,400 Thank you. 113 00:07:21,500 --> 00:07:22,800 You a Yankee fan? 114 00:07:22,900 --> 00:07:24,400 No, Milwaukee. 115 00:07:24,700 --> 00:07:26,100 Milwaukee? What, you kidding? 116 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,500 It's like getting hit on the head with a crowbar once a day! 117 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:30,800 I mean, tell me, who they got? 118 00:07:30,900 --> 00:07:33,600 Really, I'm asking you, who they got? Besides great grasskeepers? 119 00:07:33,900 --> 00:07:35,400 We'd like to get started here. 120 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:38,400 Oh, I'm sorry. 121 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:41,200 I didn't mean to keep you waiting. 122 00:07:41,300 --> 00:07:42,300 Quite alright. 123 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:43,400 Alright gentlemen. 124 00:07:43,500 --> 00:07:45,200 You can handle this any way you'd like to. 125 00:07:45,300 --> 00:07:46,800 I have no rules. 126 00:07:46,900 --> 00:07:49,900 We can discuss it first and then vote, that's one way 127 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,000 or we can vote and then see where we stand. 128 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:56,600 That's all I have to say... 129 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,400 I think it's customary to take a preliminary vote. 130 00:07:59,500 --> 00:08:00,500 Yeah, come on, let's vote! 131 00:08:01,100 --> 00:08:02,400 Then we can all go home! 132 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:06,100 It's up to you, but let's just remember this is a first degree murder charge. 133 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,100 If we find him guilty, he could die by lethal injection. 134 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:10,900 Yeah, let's vote. 135 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,600 Yeah, let's see who's where! 136 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,400 Anyone who doesn't wanna vote? 137 00:08:14,900 --> 00:08:16,200 Let's just remember that this is gotta be 138 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,400 twelve to nothing either way, that's the law. 139 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:20,700 Everyone ready? 140 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,300 All those voting guilty raise your hands. 141 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:30,800 Eleven. 142 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,500 All those voting not guilty. 143 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:37,700 One. 144 00:08:37,700 --> 00:08:39,600 Eleven-one guilty. 145 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,000 Now we now where we stand. 146 00:08:41,100 --> 00:08:43,000 Well there's always one, eh? 147 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,200 So what do we do now? 148 00:08:45,900 --> 00:08:47,600 I guess we... talk. 149 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,200 Honestly, you really think he's innocent? 150 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:53,900 I don't know. 151 00:08:54,100 --> 00:08:55,400 I mean, let's be reasonable here. 152 00:08:55,500 --> 00:08:57,200 You sat in the court room, you heard everything. 153 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:01,700 The rest of us did. This man is a dangerous killer, you could see it. 154 00:09:01,900 --> 00:09:03,600 Man? He's 18 years old. 155 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:04,600 He's old enough! 156 00:09:04,700 --> 00:09:07,700 He knifed his own father, four inches into the chest. 157 00:09:07,700 --> 00:09:10,600 Pretty obvious. I was convinced on the very first day. 158 00:09:10,700 --> 00:09:11,600 Sure, who wasn't? 159 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,600 I really think this is one of these open and shut things. 160 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,300 I mean, they proved it a dozen different ways. 161 00:09:17,300 --> 00:09:18,500 Would you like to list 'em for you? 162 00:09:18,500 --> 00:09:19,200 No, no, no... 163 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:20,400 Then what DO you want? 164 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:21,800 I just wanna talk! 165 00:09:22,100 --> 00:09:23,600 Well, what's there to talk about? 166 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,400 Eleven men here agree. 167 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,000 I mean, who would have to think twice about it except you? 168 00:09:29,100 --> 00:09:30,900 Hey look, let me ask you a question. 169 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:33,600 Do you really believe that boy's story? 170 00:09:34,100 --> 00:09:37,400 I don't know if I believe his story or not, maybe I don't. 171 00:09:37,900 --> 00:09:39,400 So then, why did you vote not guilty for? 172 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,400 Look, eleven men voted guilty. 173 00:09:42,700 --> 00:09:47,000 I just don't find it easy to raise my hand and send a boy to prison for life 174 00:09:47,100 --> 00:09:50,700 or maybe even to be executed without talking about it first. 175 00:09:51,500 --> 00:09:53,400 - Who says it's easy for me? - No one. 176 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:54,900 What, because I voted fast? 177 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:55,700 No. 178 00:09:55,700 --> 00:09:57,100 I honestly think the kid's guilty. 179 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,000 You couldn't change my mind if you talked a 100 years! 180 00:09:59,300 --> 00:10:01,000 I'm not trying to change your mind. 181 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,300 We're talking about a person's life here. 182 00:10:03,700 --> 00:10:05,800 We can't just decide in 5 minutes. 183 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:07,900 Suppose we're wrong? 184 00:10:08,100 --> 00:10:11,300 Suppose we're wrong! Suppose the whole building fell on my head! 185 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:12,700 You could suppose anything you want. 186 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:13,800 That's right. 187 00:10:14,100 --> 00:10:15,600 So then what difference does it make how long it takes? 188 00:10:16,700 --> 00:10:20,200 If we honestly think the kid's guilty, suppose we finish in 5 minutes, so what? 189 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,000 Suppose we take an hour, your game doesn't start till 8 o'clock. 190 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,200 Ok slugger, be my guest. 191 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,400 Who's got something to say? 192 00:10:35,500 --> 00:10:36,700 Not me. 193 00:10:36,700 --> 00:10:38,500 I'm willing to put in an hour. 194 00:10:38,700 --> 00:10:42,700 - What? - Great! I heard a pretty good story last night... 195 00:10:44,100 --> 00:10:46,100 There is this woman, she goes running into the doctor's office... 196 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,000 Excuse me, that's not why we are sitting in here for. 197 00:10:51,100 --> 00:10:53,300 Alright then, you tell me what are we sitting here for. 198 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,900 Well, maybe for no reason, I don't know, but look... 199 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,600 ...this kid has been knocked around all of his life, 200 00:11:02,500 --> 00:11:06,000 been born in a slum, he lost his mother when he was just, what, 9... 201 00:11:06,500 --> 00:11:08,900 and he spent a year and a half in an orphanage, 202 00:11:08,900 --> 00:11:11,900 while his old man was doing a jail term for forgery. 203 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:13,800 That's not a very good headstart. 204 00:11:13,900 --> 00:11:16,300 He's had a rotten 18 years. 205 00:11:16,700 --> 00:11:19,800 I just think we owe that boy a few words, that's all. 206 00:11:19,900 --> 00:11:21,600 Hey look, I don't mind telling you this mister, 207 00:11:22,100 --> 00:11:23,400 but we don't owe him a thing! 208 00:11:23,500 --> 00:11:24,300 That's right! 209 00:11:24,300 --> 00:11:26,300 I mean, he had a fair trial, didn't he? 210 00:11:26,700 --> 00:11:28,400 What do you think that trial cost? 211 00:11:28,500 --> 00:11:30,000 And he was lucky he got it. 212 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,000 We're all grown ups in here and we heard the facts, now didn't we? 213 00:11:34,700 --> 00:11:37,200 Now you're not gonna sit there 'n' tell us we're supposed to believe this kid 214 00:11:37,300 --> 00:11:38,500 knowing what he is. 215 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,400 Look, I've lived among them all my life. 216 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,300 I mean, you can't believe a word they say. They are born liars. 217 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:47,800 It suddenly occurs to me that you must be an ignorant man. 218 00:11:48,700 --> 00:11:49,700 What are you talking about? 219 00:11:49,900 --> 00:11:51,800 You think you have a monopoly on the truth? 220 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,900 Why are you making a federal case out of this, come on man, how do you like this guy? 221 00:11:56,100 --> 00:11:58,500 I think certain things should be pointed out to this man. 222 00:11:58,500 --> 00:12:00,500 This isn't Sunday, we don't need a sermon in here. 223 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,200 I don't see any need to argue like that, 224 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,400 I think we ought to be able to behave like gentlemen, 225 00:12:05,700 --> 00:12:07,400 if we're going to discuss this case. 226 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,300 Maybe the gentleman who's disagreeing down there could tell us why. 227 00:12:10,700 --> 00:12:14,100 Tell us what he thinks and we could show him where he's probably mixed up. 228 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:15,800 - What are you doing? - Eh? 229 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,000 What is that? 230 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,000 It's one of the products I work on at the ad agency: Rice Pops. 231 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,500 "The breakfast with the built in bounce" I wrote that one. 232 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:24,900 Oh, that's where that came from. 233 00:12:25,100 --> 00:12:26,200 That's very catchy. 234 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:27,400 Do you mind? 235 00:12:28,100 --> 00:12:31,900 I'm sorry, I just have this habit of doodling. It keeps me focused. 236 00:12:32,100 --> 00:12:34,700 We're trying to do something. We could be sitting here forever. 237 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:36,700 No, look, look, look, I might have an idea. 238 00:12:36,700 --> 00:12:39,400 I mean I'm just thinking out loud, but it seems to me 239 00:12:39,500 --> 00:12:42,500 that it's up to us to convince this gentleman that we're right and he's wrong. 240 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,600 Maybe if we each took a minute or two to explain how we feel, you know... 241 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,000 - It was just a quick thought. - No, no, no, that's good. 242 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,600 Suppose we go once around the table. 243 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,800 - Anything, just let start it off! - Fine, why don't you go first? 244 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,600 No, not me... 245 00:13:05,100 --> 00:13:06,700 I think we ought to go in order. 246 00:13:08,300 --> 00:13:12,200 Ok, that's fair... in order. Two minutes a piece. 247 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,700 That means you go first. 248 00:13:16,500 --> 00:13:18,800 Oh, well, um... 249 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:25,000 Well, it's hard to put it into words... I just think that he's guilty. 250 00:13:25,900 --> 00:13:30,500 I thought it was obvious from the word go. Nobody proved otherwise. 251 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,900 Nobody has to prove otherwise. The burden of proof rests with the prosecution. 252 00:13:35,100 --> 00:13:36,600 The defendant doesn't even have to open his mouth. 253 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,300 I know that! What I meant was... 254 00:13:40,300 --> 00:13:43,100 The man is guilty, there was a witness. 255 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:45,600 Somebody saw him do it. 256 00:13:48,100 --> 00:13:49,500 Ok, here's what I think. 257 00:13:49,900 --> 00:13:54,000 And I have no personal feelings at all, I'm talking facts. 258 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,100 Number one, let's take the old man who lived 259 00:13:57,100 --> 00:13:59,800 on the 2nd floor directly underneath the room 260 00:13:59,900 --> 00:14:01,600 where the murder was committed. 261 00:14:01,700 --> 00:14:06,400 Now, he says that about 10 minutes after 12 on the night of the killing 262 00:14:07,100 --> 00:14:09,300 he heard a loud noise from upstairs. Sounded like a fight. 263 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:13,100 And he heard the boy yell out: "I'm going to kill you" 264 00:14:13,300 --> 00:14:17,300 A second later the body hit the floor, he run to his apartment door, looked out, 265 00:14:17,300 --> 00:14:19,600 saw the kid running down the stairs and out of the house. 266 00:14:20,300 --> 00:14:24,400 He called the police and they found the father with a knife in his chest. 267 00:14:24,500 --> 00:14:26,600 - And the coroner fixed the time of death around midnight. 268 00:14:27,300 --> 00:14:30,800 He's right. These are facts. You can't refute facts. This kid's guilty. 269 00:14:31,100 --> 00:14:36,000 Look, I'm as sentimental as the next guy. I know he's only 18. 270 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,400 But he's gotta pay for what he did. 271 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,200 I'm with you pops. 272 00:14:40,500 --> 00:14:43,600 It was obvious to me that the boy's entire story was flimsy. 273 00:14:44,100 --> 00:14:47,000 He claimed he was at the movies at the time of the killing 274 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:51,200 yet one hour later he couldn't remember what films he saw. 275 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,800 - He claims that. - That's right. Did you hear that? 276 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:55,200 That's absolutely right. 277 00:14:55,500 --> 00:14:59,000 And no one saw him going into or out of the theater. 278 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,000 And what about the woman across the street? 279 00:15:01,700 --> 00:15:03,500 If her testimony don't prove it, nothing does. 280 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,800 That's right, she's the one who actually saw the killing. 281 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:07,100 That's right. 282 00:15:07,100 --> 00:15:08,100 Come on fellas, let's go in order here, come on. 283 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,400 Now look. Here's a woman who's lying in her bed. 284 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,100 She can't sleep, dying from the heat, you know what I mean. 285 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,900 And then she looks out the window, and right across the street 286 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,600 she sees this kid stick the knife into his father. 287 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,400 It's 12.10 on the nose. Everything fits. 288 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,400 And look, she's known this boy all of his life. 289 00:15:26,700 --> 00:15:28,300 His window is right opposite hers right across 290 00:15:28,300 --> 00:15:30,300 the el tracks and she swore she saw him do it. 291 00:15:30,500 --> 00:15:32,900 Through the windows of a passing elevated train? 292 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,600 This el train had no passengers on. It was just being moved downtown. 293 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,000 Lights out, remember that? 294 00:15:38,100 --> 00:15:40,000 And they proved in court that at night you can 295 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,800 look through the windows of a passing el train 296 00:15:41,900 --> 00:15:44,300 with the lights out and you can see what's happening on the other side. 297 00:15:44,300 --> 00:15:45,100 Now they proved that! 298 00:15:45,100 --> 00:15:46,500 Could I ask you a question? 299 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:47,900 Go ahead. 300 00:15:47,900 --> 00:15:51,900 You don't believe the boy. Why do you believe the woman? 301 00:15:52,700 --> 00:15:55,300 Isn't she one of them too? 302 00:15:56,700 --> 00:15:58,400 Oh you're just a real smart fellow, aren't you? 303 00:15:58,500 --> 00:15:59,500 Take it easy. 304 00:15:59,700 --> 00:16:01,700 What's he so wise about? I'm telling ya... 305 00:16:01,900 --> 00:16:05,000 Alright, alright, we don't need none of that in here. 306 00:16:07,300 --> 00:16:09,000 Now, whose turn is it? 307 00:16:10,900 --> 00:16:12,200 Alright, you're next. 308 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:14,800 I pass. 309 00:16:15,500 --> 00:16:17,300 - What did he say? - He passes. 310 00:16:17,300 --> 00:16:18,400 It's his privilege. 311 00:16:18,500 --> 00:16:20,200 How about the next gentleman? 312 00:16:22,900 --> 00:16:24,300 I don't know... 313 00:16:24,300 --> 00:16:29,800 I came convinced very early in the case. Excuse me. 314 00:16:31,900 --> 00:16:33,500 See, I'm looking for motive. 315 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,700 I think it's very important. If you don't have a motive you don't have a case, right? 316 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:42,000 So anyway, that testimony from those people across the hall from the kid's apartment, 317 00:16:44,300 --> 00:16:46,400 well, that's why that was so important, 318 00:16:46,500 --> 00:16:50,500 cause didn't they say that the father 'n' the kid had an argument 319 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,300 and the kid run out sometime around 7 o'clock 320 00:16:53,300 --> 00:16:54,800 that night, I could be wrong about the time... 321 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:55,700 It was 8 o'clock. 322 00:16:55,700 --> 00:16:57,000 Yes, that's right, it was 8 o'clock. 323 00:16:57,100 --> 00:16:59,300 They heard the argument but they couldn't tell what the argument was about. 324 00:17:00,100 --> 00:17:02,100 Then they heard the father hit the son twice 325 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,800 and then later they saw the son walk out of the apartment angrily 326 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,300 ...but what does it prove? 327 00:17:07,300 --> 00:17:11,300 It don't exactly prove anything, I'm just saying it's part of the picture, that's all. 328 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,900 Yeah, but you did say it revealed the motive and that's what the prosecution said. 329 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:16,900 To me it's a very weak motive! 330 00:17:16,900 --> 00:17:21,600 This boy has been hit so many times that violence is a normal part of his life. 331 00:17:21,900 --> 00:17:25,000 I don't think a couple more hits in the face would provoke him to murder. 332 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,600 It may have been two hits too many. Everyone has a breaking point. 333 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,400 - Anything else? - No. 334 00:17:36,500 --> 00:17:38,600 - How about the next gentleman? - Me? 335 00:17:38,700 --> 00:17:40,100 I don't know... 336 00:17:40,500 --> 00:17:42,400 I mean it's practically all been said already, you know? 337 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,600 I mean we could talk about it forever. 338 00:17:44,700 --> 00:17:47,300 This kid's 0 for five. I mean look at his record. 339 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,300 At 10 he's at juvenile court, he threw a rock at a teacher, 340 00:17:50,900 --> 00:17:53,100 at 14 he was in reform school cause he stole a car, 341 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,000 he's been arrested for muggin', 342 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,100 he's been picked up twice for trying to slash another teen with a knife, 343 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,300 he's real good with that switchblade you know. Everybody said that. 344 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:02,900 This is a real fine boy. 345 00:18:03,100 --> 00:18:06,300 Ever since he was 5 years old, his father beat him up 346 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:07,600 and he used his fists. 347 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,000 So would I. A kid like that? 348 00:18:09,100 --> 00:18:12,000 Wouldn't you call those beatings a motive for him to kill his father? 349 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,400 I'd say it's a motive for him to be an angry young man, I'd say that. 350 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,900 These kids, the way they are nowadays. 351 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,600 They're angry, hostile. 352 00:18:21,700 --> 00:18:22,600 I mean, look at the way they talk. 353 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:27,100 When I was at his age I called my father "Sir", that's right! 354 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,700 Ever hear a boy call his father that anymore? 355 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,900 Fathers don't seem to think that's important anymore. 356 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,300 - No? You got any kid? - Two. 357 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:36,700 I got one. 358 00:18:36,900 --> 00:18:39,200 He is 32. 359 00:18:39,900 --> 00:18:42,300 We did everything in the world for that boy that could happen. 360 00:18:42,900 --> 00:18:45,400 When he was 9 he run away from a fight, 361 00:18:45,500 --> 00:18:48,400 I saw him do it, I was so ashamed I almost threw up. 362 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,000 And I said to him right straight out, I said "I'm gonna make a man out of you 363 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,600 or I'm gonna bust you in half trying". 364 00:18:54,300 --> 00:18:55,900 I made a man out of him alright. 365 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:00,900 When he was 16 we got into a battle, he hit me in the face, big kid, ya know. 366 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,300 I haven't seen him in 14 years. 367 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:08,900 Rotten kid! 368 00:19:09,100 --> 00:19:10,800 You work your heart out... 369 00:19:12,700 --> 00:19:14,200 Well come on, let's get on with it. 370 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,900 I think... I think we're missing the point here. 371 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,300 This boy, let's say he's a product of a filthy neighborhood 372 00:19:20,300 --> 00:19:22,200 and a broken home, he can't help it, 373 00:19:22,300 --> 00:19:25,900 we're here to decide whether he's guilty or innocent of murder, 374 00:19:26,100 --> 00:19:28,500 not to go into reasons why he grew up this way. 375 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,400 He was born in a slum. 376 00:19:30,900 --> 00:19:34,800 Slums are breeding grounds for criminals, I know as a view it's no secret. 377 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:41,200 Slum big grounds are potential menaces to society. 378 00:19:41,300 --> 00:19:42,600 You can say that again! 379 00:19:42,700 --> 00:19:44,900 Alright, kids who crawl out of these places they're nothing but trash. 380 00:19:45,300 --> 00:19:47,500 Hey, I don't want a think in the world to do with them, I'm telling you. 381 00:19:48,500 --> 00:19:50,200 I lived in a slum all my life! 382 00:19:51,700 --> 00:19:54,800 I nursed that trash in Harlem hospital six nights a week. 383 00:19:54,900 --> 00:19:55,600 Hey, now, come on! 384 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,300 I used to play in a backyard that was full of garbage, maybe it still smells on me! 385 00:19:58,500 --> 00:19:59,500 Now, come on, why you got to go there... 386 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,100 - Let's be reasonable, there's nothing personal... - There is something personal! 387 00:20:03,500 --> 00:20:05,800 Now, now, let's not be so sensitive. 388 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,100 This kind of sensitivity I understand. 389 00:20:08,300 --> 00:20:12,200 Alright, let's stop all this arguing, it's just wasting time. 390 00:20:12,900 --> 00:20:14,800 Now, it's your turn, let's go. 391 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,000 Me? I didn't expect a turn. 392 00:20:18,500 --> 00:20:21,800 I thought everybody was trying to convince me, I thought that was the idea. 393 00:20:21,900 --> 00:20:23,500 Check, I forgot about that. 394 00:20:23,700 --> 00:20:25,400 I mean, what's the difference? He's the one keeping us here, 395 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:26,900 let's see what he's got to say. 396 00:20:27,300 --> 00:20:29,400 Wait a minute! We decided we're gonna do this a certain way, 397 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:30,700 let's stick to what we said. 398 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,200 Come on, stop treating us like kids! 399 00:20:33,900 --> 00:20:36,500 - Kids? What are you talking about? - Just what I said. 400 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,200 What, just that I'm trying to keep things organized here? 401 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:44,000 Listen, you wanna do this? You sit here! 402 00:20:44,300 --> 00:20:46,100 You take responsibility. I'll just shut up. 403 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,300 What now, why'd get so hot about it man, why don't you just calm down up there! 404 00:20:49,500 --> 00:20:51,200 Don't tell me to calm down, here's the chair. 405 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,100 You keep things runnin' smooth 'n' everything. 406 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,300 You think it's a snap? Come on man Mr. Foreman, 407 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,100 let's see how great you run this show. 408 00:20:57,300 --> 00:21:00,000 - You ever seen a thing like that before? - Oh you think it's funny now, eh? 409 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:01,700 Hey, this whole thing is unimportant. 410 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,900 It's unimportant? What? You wanna try it? 411 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,600 No, look, you're doing a beautiful job! 412 00:21:07,300 --> 00:21:08,700 You're doing a beautiful job! 413 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,400 Come on now, let's hear from somebody. 414 00:21:14,700 --> 00:21:15,700 Excuse me gentlemen! 415 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,200 If you would like to hear how I feel about all of this, 416 00:21:18,300 --> 00:21:19,900 I'd be glad to tell you right now. 417 00:21:20,300 --> 00:21:21,900 I don't care what you gonna do! 418 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:23,400 Oh now, he's mad, you mad? 419 00:21:24,500 --> 00:21:28,000 I don't have anything brilliant and I already know what you all know. 420 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,900 From the testimony, the boy looks guilty. 421 00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:36,800 - You can say that again! - Alright, now maybe he is, but, 422 00:21:38,100 --> 00:21:43,200 I spent 3 days in court listening to that evidence build up and build up 423 00:21:43,700 --> 00:21:49,400 and everyone seemed so positive, I began to get a peculiar feeling about this case, 424 00:21:49,500 --> 00:21:53,600 because nothing is that positive, nothing. 425 00:21:54,700 --> 00:21:55,500 I had a bunch of questions I wanted to ask about all 426 00:21:55,500 --> 00:21:58,700 these things, they mean anything or not I don't know, 427 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:04,800 but I do know that I felt the lawyer, the boy's lawyer, was not doing his job. 428 00:22:04,900 --> 00:22:07,300 He was letting too many things go by, little things 429 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,500 What do you mean little things? Look, when these guys don't ask questions, 430 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,400 it's because they know the answer and they figure that they'll probably get hurt by it. 431 00:22:13,500 --> 00:22:16,200 Yeah, but it could also mean that the lawyer is just plain stupid, couldn't it? 432 00:22:16,300 --> 00:22:17,900 Sounds like you've met my brother in law. 433 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,000 Anyway... I put myself in the boy's place. 434 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,500 If I was that boy, I would've asked for another lawyer. 435 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,500 I mean, if I'm on trial for my life 436 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,800 I would want my lawyer to take all of the prosecution's 437 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,200 witnesses and just tear them to shreds, or try. 438 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,900 Now look, there was one eye witness to this killing 439 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,400 and someone else said that they heard it and then 440 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,100 saw the boy running out later. 441 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,500 There was a lot of circumstantial evidence, 442 00:22:48,500 --> 00:22:52,700 but those two witnesses where the entire case for the prosecution. 443 00:22:53,100 --> 00:22:55,400 Suppose they were wrong! 444 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,100 What do you mean suppose they were wrong? What's the point of having witnesses at all? 445 00:22:59,500 --> 00:23:01,200 Could they be wrong? 446 00:23:02,700 --> 00:23:05,600 They took the stand under oath! What are you trying to say? 447 00:23:05,700 --> 00:23:08,700 Well, they're people. People make mistakes. 448 00:23:08,900 --> 00:23:10,600 Could they be wrong? 449 00:23:12,500 --> 00:23:14,200 No, I don't think so. 450 00:23:14,300 --> 00:23:15,700 Do you know so? 451 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,700 Nobody could know something like that. This isn't an exact science. 452 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,100 That's right, it isn't. 453 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,000 Let's try to get to the point. 454 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,200 Let's take the knife they found on the father's chest. 455 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,600 Wait a minute! Don't you think we ought to... 456 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,700 Some of the people haven't had the chance to talk. 457 00:23:31,900 --> 00:23:34,700 They can talk anytime they want, just gimme a second here, will you? 458 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:36,600 What about that knife? 459 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,800 You know the one our fine, upright boy admitted buying the night of the murder? 460 00:23:39,900 --> 00:23:40,700 Let's talk about it. 461 00:23:40,700 --> 00:23:41,700 Yes, let's talk about it. 462 00:23:41,900 --> 00:23:45,300 As a matter of fact let's look at it again. I'd like to see it. Mr. Foreman? 463 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,300 We all know what it looks like. What are we gonna gain by seeing it again? 464 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:50,500 He brought it up. 465 00:23:50,500 --> 00:23:53,000 The gentleman has a right to see exhibits of evidence, 466 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,700 the knife, where it was bought, it's pretty strong evidence, don't you think? 467 00:23:57,700 --> 00:23:58,700 Yes I do. 468 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,100 - We're gonna need that knife. - OK. 469 00:24:03,100 --> 00:24:04,700 One: The boy admitted going out of his house 470 00:24:04,700 --> 00:24:06,300 at 8 o'clock on the night of the murder 471 00:24:06,500 --> 00:24:10,000 after being punished several times by his father. 472 00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:13,500 He said slapped, not punished. There's a difference between a slap and a punish. 473 00:24:13,700 --> 00:24:16,900 After being slapped several times by his father. 474 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,100 Two: The boy went directly to a neighbourhood junkshop, 475 00:24:20,100 --> 00:24:22,200 where he bought, what do you call it? 476 00:24:22,300 --> 00:24:23,600 - Switchblade! - Switchblade knife! 477 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,800 Thank you, thank you. Three: This wasn't what you'd call an ordinary knife. 478 00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:30,100 It had a very unusual carved handle. 479 00:24:31,100 --> 00:24:35,900 Four: The storekeeper who sold it to him identified the knife in court and said 480 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,800 it was the only one of its kind that he had ever had in stock. 481 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:46,300 Five: At about 8:45 the boy run into three friends of his in front of a diner. 482 00:24:46,500 --> 00:24:47,700 Am I correct so far? 483 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,300 You bet he is! Listen to this man, he knows what he's talking about. 484 00:24:50,700 --> 00:24:55,700 The boy talked with his friends for about an hour, leaving them at 9:45. 485 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,300 During this time, they saw the switch blade knife. 486 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,900 Six: Each of them identified the death weapon in court as that same knife. 487 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,800 Seven: The boy arrived home at about 10 o'clock. 488 00:25:08,900 --> 00:25:11,000 Now, this is where the stories offered by the 489 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,700 boy and the state begin to diverge slightly. 490 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:18,500 He claims that he stayed home until 11:30 then went to one of those all-night movies, 491 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:23,000 he returned home at about 3:50 in the morning to find his father dead 492 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,600 and himself arrested. 493 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,300 Now, what happened to the switchblade knife? 494 00:25:32,300 --> 00:25:35,100 He claims that the knife fell through a hole in his pocket, 495 00:25:35,300 --> 00:25:39,700 sometime between 11:30 and 3:50 while he was on the street to the movie 496 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,500 and that he never saw it again. 497 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,400 No! This is a tale gentlemen! 498 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,200 I think it's quite clear that he never went to the movies that night. 499 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:52,300 No one in the house saw him go out at 11:30. No one at the theatre identified him. 500 00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:55,600 He couldn't even remember the names of the pictures he saw. 501 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,100 Now... what actually happened is this. 502 00:25:59,300 --> 00:26:02,000 The boy stayed home, had another fight with his father, 503 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,600 stabbed him to death with the knife at about 10 minutes after 12 504 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,100 and fled from the house. 505 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,100 He even remembered to wipe the knife clean of fingerprints. 506 00:26:14,500 --> 00:26:15,500 Thanks man. 507 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,000 Please give me the knife. 508 00:26:17,500 --> 00:26:21,300 Are you trying to tell me that the knife fells through a hole in the boy's pocket, 509 00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:25,000 that someone picked it up off the street where it was the boy's house, 510 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,100 stabbed his father, just to be amusing? 511 00:26:29,100 --> 00:26:32,500 I'm just saying that it is possible that the boy lost the knife 512 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,000 and somebody else stabbed his father with a similar knife. 513 00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:37,700 It's possible, that's all. 514 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,400 It's possible... 515 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:44,700 Take a look at that knife. 516 00:26:44,900 --> 00:26:46,600 I've never seen one like it. 517 00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:48,800 Neither has the storekeeper who sold it to the boy. 518 00:26:49,900 --> 00:26:54,600 And you're asking us to accept a pretty incredible coincidence? 519 00:26:54,900 --> 00:26:58,600 I'm not asking you to accept anything. I'm just saying that it's possible. 520 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,200 And I say it's not possible! 521 00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:08,100 What are you trying to do? 522 00:27:08,300 --> 00:27:09,300 Who do you think you are... 523 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,700 Hey, what is this? Where did you get that knife now? 524 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:13,300 Where has that come from? 525 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,000 Quiet, quiet, please! 526 00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:17,200 Where did you get that knife? 527 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,000 I was out walking last night, just... thinking... 528 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,600 I was in the boy's neighborhood, 529 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,500 that knife comes from a pawn shop three blocks from his house, 530 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,100 it cost 25$. 531 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,900 - It's against the law to buy it. - I broke the law. 532 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,600 Listen, you pulled a pretty bright trick here, 533 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,900 now suppose you tell me what it proves. 534 00:27:37,100 --> 00:27:38,900 There could be ten knives like that, so what? 535 00:27:38,900 --> 00:27:40,300 There could be... 536 00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:42,100 What does that mean? 537 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,200 I mean, so he got the same kind of knife, 538 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,100 what is that, the discovery of the age or something? 539 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,600 It'd still be an incredible coincidence for another person 540 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,800 to have stabbed the father with the same kind of knife. 541 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,700 Come on, the odds are a million to one! 542 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,100 But it's possible! 543 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,000 Alright gentlemen, let's take sits. There's no point meddling around here. 544 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,900 Very interesting that he should find a knife exactly like the one the boy bought. 545 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,500 What's interesting about it? It proves anything? 546 00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:10,600 Proves? No, no, no... I didn't mean... 547 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,700 How come the kid bought the knife in the first place? 548 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:14,800 Well, he claims... 549 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,000 I know he claims he bought it as a present for a friend of his, 550 00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:18,600 who was gonna give it to him the next day, 551 00:28:18,700 --> 00:28:22,300 because he busted the other kid's knife dropping it off the pants! 552 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:23,500 That's what he said. 553 00:28:24,900 --> 00:28:28,600 The friend testified in court that the boy did break his knife. 554 00:28:28,700 --> 00:28:30,500 How long before the killing? 555 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,200 Three weeks, right? 556 00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:36,800 So how come our noble lad bought this thing an half an hour after his father smacked him 557 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,900 and three and a half hours before they found it 558 00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:40,600 shoved up to here into the father's chest? 559 00:28:40,900 --> 00:28:44,700 Look, he was gonna give it to his friend, he just wanted to use it first. 560 00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:50,800 Let me ask you a question, this is something I wanted to bring up in court. 561 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,000 If the boy did buy the knife to use on his father, how come he showed 562 00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:57,200 what was going to become the murder weapon 563 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,000 to three friends a couple of hours before the killing? 564 00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:01,800 All this is just talk! 565 00:29:01,900 --> 00:29:03,700 The boy lied and you know it. 566 00:29:03,900 --> 00:29:05,400 Do you think he lied? 567 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,600 That's a stupid question, damn right he lied! 568 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:09,400 And you sir? 569 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,300 You don't have to ask me that, you know my answer, he lied, yes! 570 00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:13,900 And you? 571 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,500 - I think maybe... - Maybe, wait a second! 572 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,600 What are you, the kid's lawyer or something? 573 00:29:19,700 --> 00:29:21,700 Who are you to come in here and start cross examining us? 574 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,100 Isn't this what's supposed to happen in a jury room? 575 00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:27,100 There are still eleven of us in here who think he's guilty. 576 00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:29,500 Yeah, I mean what'd you think you gonna accomplish? 577 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,300 You're not gonna change anybody's mind! 578 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,000 You wanna be stubborn and hang this jury? Go ahead! 579 00:29:33,700 --> 00:29:36,400 The kid'll be tried again and found guilty, as sure as he's born. 580 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:37,600 You're probably right! 581 00:29:37,900 --> 00:29:40,600 So then what do you wanna do about it? We could be here all night... 582 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,000 It's only one night. A boy may die. 583 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:45,900 Oh brother! 584 00:29:46,300 --> 00:29:47,800 Anybody got a deck o'cards? 585 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,300 I don't think he should joke about it. 586 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,800 I don't see how all this talk about the knife's got to do with anything. 587 00:29:54,300 --> 00:29:56,900 I mean, come on, somebody saw that boy stab his father. 588 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,100 What more do we need? 589 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,700 I got three car washes out there going to pot while we're sitting up in here talking. 590 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,000 Come on, let's get done with this so we can get outta here! 591 00:30:04,100 --> 00:30:05,700 Excuse me, but... 592 00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:08,600 ...the knife was very important to the district attorney, 593 00:30:08,700 --> 00:30:10,300 he took one whole morning with that! 594 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,900 Come on, that guy was a 15th assistant or something... What does he know? 595 00:30:13,100 --> 00:30:14,700 I think we should get on with it. 596 00:30:14,900 --> 00:30:16,700 These side arguments only slow us up. 597 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,600 Now, what about it? 598 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:24,900 You are the only one... 599 00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:29,500 Gentlemen... 600 00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:32,900 I have a proposition. 601 00:30:34,100 --> 00:30:36,700 I'd like to call for another vote, 602 00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:40,900 I want you eleven men to vote by secret written ballot 603 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,200 and I will abstain. 604 00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:46,200 If all eleven of you vote guilty, 605 00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:50,400 I'm not gonna hold out, we'll go in with a verdict to the judge right now. 606 00:30:50,700 --> 00:30:56,200 But if anyone votes not guilty, then we stay and talk! 607 00:30:58,100 --> 00:31:02,300 And... that's all... 608 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,700 I'm ready right now, if you'll all go for it. 609 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,600 Finally, you're behaving like a reasonable man! 610 00:31:07,700 --> 00:31:09,100 Come on, let's do it! 611 00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:11,000 Anyone who doesn't agree? 612 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:12,600 Alright, pass these along. 613 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,200 Come on, today man... 614 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:36,400 Alright... 615 00:31:37,900 --> 00:31:38,900 Guilty. 616 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:42,800 Guilty. 617 00:31:44,900 --> 00:31:45,900 Guilty. 618 00:31:47,900 --> 00:31:48,900 Guilty. 619 00:31:50,900 --> 00:31:51,900 Guilty. 620 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,000 Guilty. 621 00:31:57,100 --> 00:31:58,100 Guilty. 622 00:32:00,700 --> 00:32:01,700 Guilty. 623 00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:07,700 Guilty. 624 00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:14,200 Not guilty. 625 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,200 Guilty. 626 00:32:22,700 --> 00:32:23,800 Well how do ya like that? 627 00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:28,500 And another chap flips his god damn wings! 628 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,300 Come on who was it? Cause I wanna know! 629 00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:33,100 Excuse me! We agreed that this would be a secret ballot. 630 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,300 - Secret? - Yeah! 631 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,300 - What are you talking about? - Secret... 632 00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:38,400 There's no secrets in the jury room... 633 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,400 I know who did it... 634 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,100 Brother you are really something, you know that? 635 00:32:45,700 --> 00:32:46,700 You come in here 636 00:32:46,900 --> 00:32:49,500 and you vote guilty like everybody else 637 00:32:49,900 --> 00:32:53,700 and then there's golden voice preacher over here starts to tear your heart out 638 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,800 with a lot of stories about a poor little boy 639 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,900 who just couldn't help becoming a murderer. 640 00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:00,600 So you change your vote... 641 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,000 ...that is the most sickening... 642 00:33:02,500 --> 00:33:04,100 Why don't you drop a quarter in his collection box? 643 00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:05,700 Wait a minute, you can't talk like that! 644 00:33:09,100 --> 00:33:10,600 Sit down! 645 00:33:11,100 --> 00:33:13,300 - He's very excitable. - Damn right I'm excitable! 646 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,400 We're trying to put a guilty man where he belongs 647 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:16,700 and somebody's telling us fairy tales 648 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:17,800 and we're listening! 649 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,200 - Take it easy. - What do you mean take it easy? 650 00:33:20,700 --> 00:33:23,300 You feel like seeing a proven murderer walking the streets? 651 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,500 I'll tell you what! Let's give him his knife back, make it easier for him! 652 00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:28,900 Alright, stop the yelling! 653 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,500 Now does anyone have any other suggestions? 654 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,500 Excuse me, I would like to say something. 655 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,600 I've always thought that in this country a man was 656 00:33:37,700 --> 00:33:40,400 entitled to have an unpopular opinion. 657 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,000 Hey look, let's stick to the subject, ok pal? 658 00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:43,900 Why did you switch your vote for? 659 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,200 Now look... ain't none of your fucking business... 660 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,200 He didn't switch his vote, I did. 661 00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:55,500 Would you like me to tell you why? 662 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,000 No, I wouldn't like you to tell me why... 663 00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:01,000 Well, I'd like to make myself clear anyway... 664 00:34:01,700 --> 00:34:02,800 If you don't mind. 665 00:34:02,900 --> 00:34:03,900 Do we have to listen to this? 666 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,700 Hey look, the man wants to talk! 667 00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:08,000 Thank you! 668 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,400 This gentleman has been standing alone against us. 669 00:34:15,300 --> 00:34:18,100 He doesn't say the boy is not guilty. 670 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,200 He just isn't sure. 671 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:26,300 Well it's not easy to stand alone against the ridicule of others... 672 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,100 He gambled for support and I gave it to him. 673 00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:32,300 I respect his motives. 674 00:34:33,700 --> 00:34:36,800 The boy on trial is probably guilty. 675 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,600 But I wanna hear more... 676 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:41,900 I'm talking here! 677 00:34:42,300 --> 00:34:44,000 You have no right to just walk... 678 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,300 He can't hear you. He never will. 679 00:34:46,700 --> 00:34:47,700 Sit down. 680 00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:51,900 If the speech is over, may we go on? 681 00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:55,600 I think we ought to take a break, there is a man inside there... 682 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,700 ...we should wait for him. 683 00:35:28,900 --> 00:35:33,500 Look I... was pretty excited, you know what I mean... 684 00:35:35,500 --> 00:35:37,300 I didn't mean to get nasty or anything. 685 00:35:46,900 --> 00:35:47,900 Thank you. 686 00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:50,600 God, I wish I knew some way we could break this up. 687 00:35:51,100 --> 00:35:54,000 You know in advertising... I told you I work in an ad agency, didn't I? 688 00:35:54,900 --> 00:35:56,600 Well, we got some pretty strange people down there. 689 00:35:56,700 --> 00:35:58,900 Well, not strange really, they just have peculiar ways 690 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,600 of expressing themselves sometimes, you know what I mean. 691 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,300 It's probably the same thing in your business. 692 00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:04,700 What is it you do? 693 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,500 I'm a watch maker. 694 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,000 Really? 695 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,600 Finest watchmakers in the world come from Europe, don't they? 696 00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:13,600 Anyway! Like I was saying... 697 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,200 At the ad agency, when we reach a point like this in a meeting, 698 00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:18,500 there's always some character ready with an idea that kills me. 699 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,800 I mean it's the weirdest thing sometimes, the way they... 700 00:36:20,900 --> 00:36:22,700 ...percieve their idea with some little phrase, you know, 701 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,400 like some count exec would go 702 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,400 "Oh here's an idea, let's hang around the flag pole, 703 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:27,900 see if anyone sings the national anthem" 704 00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:31,700 or... "Here's an idea, let's put it on the bus, see if it gets of at Wall Street" 705 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,100 I mean, it's idiotic really, but it's funny. 706 00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:37,000 - Excuse me. - Sure. 707 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,500 So, I wonder if I can ask you a question. 708 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,700 Are you one of those nation Islam guys? 709 00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:47,800 I only ask cause I've never met one of you guys before. 710 00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:50,300 I was... 711 00:36:50,700 --> 00:36:52,900 But we didn't exactly see things eye to eye, you know what I'm saying? 712 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:56,700 Not really... 713 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,100 But anyway, I was wondering if you could do me a favour, 714 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,600 maybe take it a little easier on the old man. 715 00:37:02,700 --> 00:37:05,600 I figure once you get up that high in years, you know, deserve a little break? 716 00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:12,200 I guess that's a no. 717 00:37:15,100 --> 00:37:17,800 - You a salesman? - No, architect. 718 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,000 - You know what a soft sell is? - Yes... 719 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,200 You're pretty good at it! 720 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,000 I've got a different technique, you know? 721 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,200 - Jokes, drinks, knock'em on their asses. - Yeah... 722 00:37:29,500 --> 00:37:32,400 I made 57 thousand last year. Selling marmalade. 723 00:37:32,900 --> 00:37:34,700 That's not bad. I mean, you know, considerin' the marmalade. 724 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:43,900 So what are you getting out of this? 725 00:37:44,100 --> 00:37:46,900 Kicks? The boy's guilty pal. 726 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,600 Why don't you let us go home before we all get sore throats? 727 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,200 What's the difference whether you get one here or at the ball game. 728 00:37:53,900 --> 00:37:57,800 ...That's too... No difference pal, no difference at all... 729 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:02,900 Nice bunch of guys! 730 00:38:05,900 --> 00:38:07,800 - Same as any... I guess. - Yeah. 731 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,100 - You know, that guy with the hat? - Yeah. 732 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,400 He's a real prince! 733 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,200 And out loud every second everyone stalks by this kid 734 00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:19,700 ...the way he's talking... is embarassing. 735 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,200 Murderous day! 736 00:38:24,700 --> 00:38:26,200 Will we be much longer? 737 00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:28,400 I don't know. 738 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,000 He's guilty you know! Not a doubt in the whole world. 739 00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:33,700 Should have been done by now! 740 00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:39,600 Not that I really care, I mean, beats working... Right? 741 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,300 You think he's innocent? 742 00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:47,900 I don't know. 743 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,500 Well, I don't know you, but I'm bettin' you've never been wronger in your life. 744 00:38:52,900 --> 00:38:54,100 Better wrap it up. 745 00:38:54,700 --> 00:38:56,000 Just waisting your time. 746 00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:00,400 Suppose you were the one on trial. 747 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,200 Well... I don't do a lot of supposing... 748 00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:08,400 You know, I'm just the working man. 749 00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:10,500 Let my boss do my supposing. 750 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:13,800 But if you want I'll try one. 751 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,400 Suppose you talk us all out o' this 752 00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:19,100 and that kid really did stick that knife into his father. 753 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,600 Alright gentlemen, let's take our seats. 754 00:39:36,500 --> 00:39:38,400 Looks like we'll be here for dinner. 755 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,000 Let's get down to business. 756 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:41,900 Who wants to start it off? 757 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,100 - I'd like to say something... - Be quiet... 758 00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:48,500 Excuse me! 759 00:39:48,500 --> 00:39:49,500 Number 6. 760 00:39:49,900 --> 00:39:52,300 Alright, please go ahead, go ahead, please... 761 00:39:52,700 --> 00:39:54,800 This may be a small point, but anyway... 762 00:39:55,700 --> 00:39:57,300 The boy had a motive for the killing. 763 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,000 The beatings 'n' all, right? 764 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,200 If he didn't do it, who did it? 765 00:40:01,300 --> 00:40:02,300 Who else had a motive? 766 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:03,800 I mean, that's my point. You don't go out and just 767 00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:06,300 kill somebody for no reason, unless you're just plain nuts. 768 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,200 As far as I can see, we're here to determine whether or not this boy 769 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,100 is guilty beyond reasonable doubt. 770 00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:14,400 We're not concerned with anyone else's motives, that's a job to the police. 771 00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:16,400 Alright... but it can't help letting the only 772 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,900 motive we know of creep into our thoughts. 773 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,200 We can't help asking ourselves, who else might have had a motive. 774 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,000 I mean, this gentleman is asking a reasonable question: 775 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,100 Somebody killed him, if it wasn't the boy, who was it? 776 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:30,900 Modjelewski! 777 00:40:30,900 --> 00:40:33,300 Ohhh, you're talking about the man I love! 778 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,200 Maybe if you haven't got anything to add besides jokes, I suggest you listen. 779 00:40:37,700 --> 00:40:40,000 I'm sorry, I was just letting off steam. Go ahead. 780 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,700 Maybe you can answer me, who else might have killed the father? 781 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,800 Well, I don't know... I mean... 782 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,000 The father was hardly a model citizen, 783 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,400 we knew that he served a prison term 784 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,800 and that he was an inveterate gambler and a consistent loser 785 00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:57,200 and he frequented all of the local bars. 786 00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,700 Usually after a couple of drinks he'd get into a fight over a woman 787 00:41:00,700 --> 00:41:01,900 ...I wouldn't mind telling that... 788 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,900 He was a mean, cruel, primitive kind of man. 789 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,200 He couldn't even hold a job for longer than 6 months in his entire life. 790 00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:13,100 So, hell, he could have been murdered by anyone of the prison inmates, 791 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,000 or a bookmaker, or somebody he beat up, or a woman he picked up, 792 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,700 or anyone of those tough guys that he used to hang around with. 793 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,800 Look, come on man, we know that the father was a bump, 794 00:41:22,900 --> 00:41:24,100 what's that got to do with anything? 795 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,700 Well, I didn't bring this thing up, the man asked who else might have killed the man 796 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,000 and I gave an answer. 797 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,600 That gentleman there asked a direct question. 798 00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:33,600 Well, everybody is a lawyer... 799 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,200 Suppose you answer this for me... 800 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,600 The old man downstairs heard the kid yell loud: "I'm gonna kill you". 801 00:41:38,700 --> 00:41:40,200 A split second later, the body hit the floor, 802 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:41,900 then he saw the kid running out of the house. 803 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,500 Now what does all that mean to you? 804 00:41:43,700 --> 00:41:46,400 I was wondering how well you could hear that boy's voice through the ceiling. 805 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:47,900 He didn't hear it through the ceiling. 806 00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:50,300 His window was open. The window was open upstairs, 807 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:51,400 it was a hot night, remember? 808 00:41:51,500 --> 00:41:53,900 The voice was from another appartment, it's very difficult 809 00:41:53,900 --> 00:41:56,600 to identify a voice, let alone a voice that's shouting. 810 00:41:56,700 --> 00:41:58,000 He identified it in court. 811 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,700 He picked the boy's voice out of 5 other voices blindfolded. 812 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,600 That was just an ambitious district attorney putting on a show. 813 00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:05,500 Look... 814 00:42:05,500 --> 00:42:09,600 The old man knew the boy's voice very well. They lived in the same house for years. 815 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,100 But to identify the voice positively from another appartment... 816 00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:15,100 Isn't it possible that he was wrong? 817 00:42:15,500 --> 00:42:18,100 Isn't it possible that he thought the boy was upstairs 818 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,700 and therefore he just assumed that the voice he heard was the boy's voice? 819 00:42:22,300 --> 00:42:23,700 I think that's a bit farfetched! 820 00:42:24,100 --> 00:42:26,300 Look, the old man heard the father's body falling. 821 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,800 Then he saw the boy running out of the house 15 seconds later. Come on, he saw that boy. 822 00:42:30,900 --> 00:42:33,500 What about the woman across the street? She looked right out into the open window, 823 00:42:33,500 --> 00:42:36,900 saw the kid stabbin' his father, I mean, come on. Isn't that enough for you? 824 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,300 - Not right now it isn't. - Oh man! 825 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:40,700 How do you like this guy, eh? 826 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,300 It's like talking to a dead phone! 827 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,800 The woman saw the kid through the window of a moving elevated train. 828 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:50,400 The train had 6 cars and she saw it through the windows of the last 2 cars. 829 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,700 I mean, she remembered the most significant details. 830 00:42:54,300 --> 00:42:56,700 I don't see how you can argue with that. 831 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,200 What do you got to say about that? 832 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,700 It doesn't seem right to me. 833 00:43:00,900 --> 00:43:02,700 Well suppose you think about it, eh? 834 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,500 I wonder if there's anyone here that has an idea 835 00:43:10,500 --> 00:43:12,700 how long it would take a 6 car el train, 836 00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:17,200 travelling at, what, medium speed... 837 00:43:19,300 --> 00:43:20,400 Wait a minute! 838 00:43:20,700 --> 00:43:21,800 This is not a game! 839 00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:23,400 - Who do you think you are? - Take it easy. 840 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:24,400 Come on now, sit down! 841 00:43:25,100 --> 00:43:26,800 That's all we need, a fighting here! 842 00:43:26,900 --> 00:43:28,700 Did you see him? The nerve, the absolute nerve! 843 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,000 Who does he think he's dealing with here? 844 00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:34,000 Come on now, it's over. Now let's just sit here... 845 00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:35,300 It's not over, I want an apology! 846 00:43:35,300 --> 00:43:37,900 Alright georgie, apologise, now let's just hear what the man's got to say. 847 00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:38,900 Thank you. 848 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,000 As I was trying to say, I wonder if anybody here has an idea 849 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,000 how long it would take an el train 850 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,400 to pass a given point, going at a medium speed. 851 00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:50,000 What the hell does that got to do with anything? 852 00:43:50,100 --> 00:43:51,300 Well go on, just take a guess! 853 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,500 I wouldn't have the slightest idea. 854 00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:54,500 You? 855 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,300 I don't know, 10, 12 seconds maybe... 856 00:43:56,500 --> 00:43:58,800 - What's all this for? - Well that sounds like a pretty good guess... 857 00:43:58,800 --> 00:43:59,700 Anyone else? 858 00:43:59,700 --> 00:44:00,900 That sounds right to me. 859 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,500 Come on, what are the guessing games for? 860 00:44:02,500 --> 00:44:03,500 You, how about you? 861 00:44:03,500 --> 00:44:05,300 10 seconds, approximately. 862 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,100 Alright, say 10 seconds. What are you getting at? 863 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:09,200 Just this! 864 00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:12,800 It takes 10 seconds for a six car el train to pass a given point. 865 00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:15,200 Let's say that given point is the open window 866 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,000 of the room where the murder took place. 867 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:22,500 You can practically reach out that window and touch the el tracks, couldn't you? 868 00:44:22,500 --> 00:44:23,500 - Yeah. - Yeah. 869 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,300 Let me ask you another question gentlemen. 870 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,700 Is there anybody here who has ever lived next to an el line? 871 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,800 I just finished painting in an appartment over next to an el line. 872 00:44:32,900 --> 00:44:33,900 - Yeah? - It took us three days. 873 00:44:33,900 --> 00:44:36,100 - And what was it like? - What do you mean? 874 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:37,200 Noisy? 875 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:42,300 Yeah! Yeah, noisy! We were all punchy about our business anyway, but yeah, it was noisy. 876 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,100 Yeah, well. When I was very young, I had an apartment on the second floor 877 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,300 right next to an el line and I wanna tell you, 878 00:44:48,700 --> 00:44:53,000 when that window is open and the train is roaring by, the noise is unbearable. 879 00:44:53,100 --> 00:44:54,500 You can't hear yourself think! 880 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,500 OK, you can't hear yourself think, now will you get to the point? 881 00:44:57,700 --> 00:45:00,200 OK, let's try and tie two pieces of evidence together. 882 00:45:01,100 --> 00:45:03,700 No 1, the old man in the apartment downstairs, 883 00:45:03,700 --> 00:45:05,200 he swears that he heard the boy say 884 00:45:05,300 --> 00:45:07,600 "I'm gonna kill you" and then a split second later 885 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,000 what sounded like a body falling to the floor. 886 00:45:10,300 --> 00:45:12,700 - One second later, am I right? - Right. 887 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,700 OK. Now the woman across the street, she swears that she saw the stabbing 888 00:45:16,700 --> 00:45:18,800 through the windows of the last two cars of an 889 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,700 elevated train, the last two cars, am I right? 890 00:45:21,700 --> 00:45:22,900 What are you making here? 891 00:45:23,100 --> 00:45:26,600 Alright, we agreed that it takes 10 seconds for an elevated train 892 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:27,900 to pass a given point. 893 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,700 If the woman witnessed the stabbing through the last two cars, then we must assume 894 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,300 that the body fell just as the train was passing by. 895 00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:39,100 Therefore, it was roaring by the old man's 896 00:45:39,100 --> 00:45:43,000 window for a full 10 seconds before the body fell. 897 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,400 The old man, now, according to his own testimony, 898 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,700 hearing the boy say "I'm going to kill you" 899 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,700 and the body falling, must have heard that statement 900 00:45:52,700 --> 00:45:55,800 while the el was roaring by right under his nose! 901 00:45:55,900 --> 00:45:58,100 It's not possible that he could've heard it. 902 00:45:58,100 --> 00:45:59,700 It's idiotic! Sure he heard it! 903 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,300 You really think so, eh? 904 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,200 The old man said the boy yelled it out, that's good enough for me. 905 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:05,800 Well, whatever he heard, he couldn't have 906 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,700 identified the voice with that el roaring by. 907 00:46:07,900 --> 00:46:10,300 You're talking about a matter of seconds here, nobody could be that accurate! 908 00:46:11,100 --> 00:46:13,400 Well, I'll tell ya, I think the testimony 909 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:18,400 that can send a human being to death should be that accurate! 910 00:46:24,100 --> 00:46:25,300 I don't think he could've heard it... 911 00:46:25,300 --> 00:46:27,100 Yeah, maybe he didn't hear it with all that el noise. 912 00:46:27,100 --> 00:46:28,400 What are you people talking about? 913 00:46:28,500 --> 00:46:30,100 - Well it stands to reason. - It's crazy! 914 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,200 Why should he lie? What's he got to gain? 915 00:46:32,500 --> 00:46:34,000 Attention, maybe. 916 00:46:34,300 --> 00:46:36,500 You keep coming up with these bright sayings. 917 00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:39,100 Why don't you sell'em to the Reader's Digest, they pay $50. 918 00:46:39,700 --> 00:46:42,000 Why do you keep talking to him like that, hah? 919 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,600 No, a guy who talks like that to an old man ought to get stepped on, know what I mean? 920 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,100 You oughta have little respect! 921 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,900 You go ahead, you say whatever you want! Noone's gonna stop you! 922 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,400 Why do you think the old man might lie? 923 00:46:55,700 --> 00:46:56,700 Well,... 924 00:46:57,700 --> 00:47:01,700 ...it's just that I looked at him for a very long time... 925 00:47:02,900 --> 00:47:05,800 The seam of his jacket was split under the arm. 926 00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,100 Any of you notice it? 927 00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:12,500 I mean, to come into court like that. 928 00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:18,200 He was a very old man with a torn jacket 929 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,900 and he walked very slowly towards the stand. 930 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,800 He was dragging his left leg and trying to hide it, 931 00:47:26,900 --> 00:47:29,100 because he was ashamed. 932 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,600 I think I know him better than anyone here. 933 00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:42,700 This is a quiet, frightened, 934 00:47:42,700 --> 00:47:47,000 insignificant old man who's been nothing, all his life. 935 00:47:48,300 --> 00:47:51,500 Never had recognition, never seen his name in the newspapers. 936 00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,900 Nobody knows him. Nobody quotes him. 937 00:47:54,900 --> 00:47:58,900 Nobody seeks his advice after 75 years. 938 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,100 You know... 939 00:48:00,700 --> 00:48:03,900 ...that's a very sad thing, to be a nothing. 940 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,300 A man like this needs to be recognised, 941 00:48:09,300 --> 00:48:14,700 to be listened to, to be quoted, just once. That's very important. 942 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,100 He would find it hard to recede into the background, 943 00:48:19,100 --> 00:48:21,100 when there's a chance for him to become a... 944 00:48:21,100 --> 00:48:22,900 Wait a minute, wait a minute! Are you trying to tell 945 00:48:22,900 --> 00:48:25,900 us that the guy would lie just to be important once? 946 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,000 He wouldn't... really lie! 947 00:48:30,100 --> 00:48:31,900 But perhaps he'd make himself believe that 948 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,500 he heard those words and recognised the boy's face. 949 00:48:35,500 --> 00:48:38,400 That's the most fantastic story I've heard in my life! 950 00:48:38,500 --> 00:48:40,200 How can you just make up some stuff like that? 951 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,200 What do you know about it? 952 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:43,200 Sit down! 953 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:44,600 You sit down! 954 00:48:44,700 --> 00:48:45,700 Sit down! 955 00:48:45,900 --> 00:48:48,600 Gentlemen, let me remind you, this case is based on 956 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,700 a reasonable and logical progression of facts. 957 00:48:52,500 --> 00:48:53,900 Please, let's keep it. 958 00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,500 Facts may be covered by the personalities of the people who present them. 959 00:48:59,900 --> 00:49:01,300 Let's not forget that. 960 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,700 - Would anybody like a cough drop? - Yeah, I would, thank you. 961 00:49:08,900 --> 00:49:10,100 Say what you like fellas... 962 00:49:10,900 --> 00:49:13,200 I still don't see how anybody could think this kid's not guilty. 963 00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,100 There's one thing I did wanna talk about for just a minute. 964 00:49:17,300 --> 00:49:19,500 I think that we have proven that the old man could not 965 00:49:19,500 --> 00:49:21,700 have heard the boy say "I'm gonna kill you". 966 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:23,300 But suppose that... 967 00:49:23,300 --> 00:49:24,200 What are you talking about, "prove"? 968 00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,500 You haven't proved it at all! What are you talking about? 969 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,900 But suppose he did hear it. 970 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:33,000 I mean, how many times have we all probably used that expression? 971 00:49:33,100 --> 00:49:34,900 Hundreds of times, you know! 972 00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:37,100 I could kill you for that darling, or... 973 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,900 ...junior, I'm gonna kill you if you do that one more time, or... 974 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,500 ...kill'em Rocky, kill'em! 975 00:49:43,100 --> 00:49:46,600 You know, it's just a common everyday... It doesn't mean we're gonna kill someone. 976 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,400 Wait a minute, what are you trying to give us here? 977 00:49:48,500 --> 00:49:52,000 The phrase was "I'm going to kill you" and the kid 978 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,900 screamed it out on the top of his lungs. 979 00:49:54,300 --> 00:49:55,400 Don't tell me he didn't mean it! 980 00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,500 Anybody who says something like that, the way he said, they mean it. 981 00:49:58,900 --> 00:50:00,200 Well, gee, I... 982 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:01,900 ...I don't know... 983 00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:08,200 I remember I was arguing with this guy that I work next to at the bank, 984 00:50:08,300 --> 00:50:11,800 so he called me an idiot, so I was yelling... 985 00:50:11,900 --> 00:50:15,900 This man is trying to get you to believe things that just aren't so. 986 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,100 The boy said "I'm going to kill you" and he did kill him! 987 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,700 Do you really think that he would shout out something like 988 00:50:21,700 --> 00:50:24,100 that for the whole neighbourhood to hear? I don't think so. 989 00:50:24,100 --> 00:50:25,500 I think he's too bright for that. 990 00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:26,800 Bright? 991 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,600 He's the common ignorant slob. 992 00:50:28,900 --> 00:50:33,000 - He don't even speak good english. - He does not even speak good english. 993 00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:37,300 Mr. Foreman... 994 00:50:38,700 --> 00:50:40,400 ...I'd like to change my vote to not guilty. 995 00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,800 - Oh you got to be kidding me! - You heard me. 996 00:50:43,100 --> 00:50:44,100 Are you sure? 997 00:50:45,900 --> 00:50:46,900 Yes, I'm sure. 998 00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,600 The vote is 9 to 3 in favour of guilty. 999 00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:51,700 Well, if this isn't the livin' end! 1000 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,500 What are you basing it on? 1001 00:50:53,900 --> 00:50:55,500 The stories this guy made up? 1002 00:50:55,700 --> 00:50:58,300 I mean, this guy... he should write for Amazing Detective Monthly. 1003 00:50:58,400 --> 00:50:59,600 He'd make a fortune! 1004 00:51:00,300 --> 00:51:03,200 Now listen, Milwakee, there are facts there and their right in your face. 1005 00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,800 And everyone of them says "This kid killed his old man"! 1006 00:51:06,700 --> 00:51:09,000 I mean, his own lawyer, knew right from the beginning he didn't stand a chance. 1007 00:51:09,100 --> 00:51:10,300 His own lawyer! 1008 00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:11,900 You could see it! 1009 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,200 - Body, he deserves to die! - Oh, does he? 1010 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,200 For your information, it's happened in the past 1011 00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,200 that people had been convicted of murder and then executed 1012 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,000 and later, years later, someone comes along and confesses to the crime. 1013 00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:28,600 You see, sometimes, the facts that are staring us in the face are wrong... 1014 00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:31,400 Hey listen, I'm talking to him, not to you! 1015 00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:33,900 Boy, this guy's beautiful, isn't he? 1016 00:51:34,700 --> 00:51:36,700 Yeah, listen, the kid had a lawyer, didn't he? 1017 00:51:36,900 --> 00:51:39,000 The lawyer presented the case, not you! 1018 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,200 - How come you got so much to say? - The lawyer was court appointed! 1019 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:44,100 So what does that mean? 1020 00:51:44,100 --> 00:51:45,200 It could mean a hell of a lot! 1021 00:51:45,300 --> 00:51:46,900 It could mean he didn't want the case, 1022 00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:49,500 it could mean he resented being appointed, what's there for him? 1023 00:51:50,100 --> 00:51:53,400 No hope, no glory, very little chance of winning. 1024 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,900 Not a very promising situation for a young lawyer. 1025 00:51:56,100 --> 00:52:00,500 He would have to really believe in his client in order to put up a good fight. 1026 00:52:00,900 --> 00:52:03,200 As you mentioned a minute ago, he obviously didn't! 1027 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:04,200 Oh sure he didn't! 1028 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,000 Who the hell could? 1029 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,400 Except maybe god come to Earth or somebody... 1030 00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,200 Come on guys, look at the time! 1031 00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:18,000 Pardon me here. 1032 00:52:19,100 --> 00:52:21,900 - I have some notes here... somewhere... - Notes? 1033 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,500 I... would... like... to ask some questions. 1034 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,300 I've been listening very closely to what this gentleman has been saying. 1035 00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,000 He's got some very good points to make. 1036 00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:41,000 Now, from what was presented at the trial, it seems that the boy is guilty, 1037 00:52:41,100 --> 00:52:42,300 but maybe if we go deeper... 1038 00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,900 Come on, will ya? Gee! 1039 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:47,200 I would like to ask one question. 1040 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,200 Now, we assumed that the boy commited murder. 1041 00:52:51,500 --> 00:52:54,300 That he stabbed his father in the chest and then he run away. 1042 00:52:54,900 --> 00:52:57,200 This was at 10 minutes after 12. 1043 00:52:58,500 --> 00:53:00,100 Now, how was the boy caught... 1044 00:53:00,500 --> 00:53:01,500 ...by the police? 1045 00:53:02,900 --> 00:53:05,500 He came back, at about 3 o'clock or so 1046 00:53:06,300 --> 00:53:09,300 and he was caught by two detectives in the hallway of his house. 1047 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:10,400 Come on man! 1048 00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:12,900 Now my question is this... 1049 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:18,700 If he really did kill his father, why did he come back 3 hours later? 1050 00:53:21,100 --> 00:53:23,100 Would he not be afraid of being caught by the police? 1051 00:53:23,700 --> 00:53:25,600 Look, he came home to get his knife. 1052 00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,700 It's not nice to leave knives sticking around out of people's chests! 1053 00:53:29,900 --> 00:53:31,300 Yes, especially relatives. 1054 00:53:31,500 --> 00:53:34,000 - I don't see anything funny about it. - Neither do I. 1055 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,400 The boy knew that there were people who could 1056 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,800 identify the knife as the one he had just bought. 1057 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,300 He had to get it before the police did. 1058 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,400 But if he knew that the knife could be identified, 1059 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,000 why did he leave it in the first place? 1060 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:44,900 Oh well... 1061 00:53:44,900 --> 00:53:48,600 I think we can assume he run out in a state of panic after he killed his father. 1062 00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:53,400 And when he finally calmed down, he realised that he had left the knife there. 1063 00:53:53,500 --> 00:53:55,600 Then this depends on your definition of panic. 1064 00:53:55,900 --> 00:53:57,600 Because he was calm enough 1065 00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,900 to make sure that there were no fingerprints on the knife. 1066 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,200 Now, where did his panic start and where did it end? 1067 00:54:03,300 --> 00:54:05,300 Look, you can throw all that other staff out... 1068 00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,000 He came home to dig out his knife and get rid of it. 1069 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,200 - Three hours later? - Sure, three hours later! 1070 00:54:10,300 --> 00:54:12,500 If I had killed my father, I would not be coming back 1071 00:54:12,500 --> 00:54:14,300 three hours later, I would be afraid of the police. 1072 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,800 No... I would stay away, knife or no knife! 1073 00:54:17,900 --> 00:54:20,500 Look, you voted guilty, didn't you? What side are you on? 1074 00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,000 I do not have to be loyal to one side or the other, I'm simply asking questions. 1075 00:54:24,900 --> 00:54:25,900 Well, look... 1076 00:54:26,500 --> 00:54:28,900 This is just off the top of my head but it seems to me, I mean, 1077 00:54:29,300 --> 00:54:32,000 if I were the kid and I'd, you know, done the stabbing and all that, 1078 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,100 I'd take a chance and go back for the knife. 1079 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:35,800 I mean, he probably figured that noone's seen 1080 00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,000 him and nobody didn't discover the body yet. 1081 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,000 I mean, it was the middle of the night. 1082 00:54:39,100 --> 00:54:41,300 He probably figured that the body wouldn't be found till the next day. 1083 00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,200 Excuse me, but that is my whole point. 1084 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:44,600 Now... 1085 00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,900 The woman across the street testified that the moment after she saw the killing, 1086 00:54:47,900 --> 00:54:49,400 that is a moment after the el train went by, 1087 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,900 she screamed, then telephoned the police. 1088 00:54:52,500 --> 00:54:55,900 Now, the boy certainly must have heard the scream and knew somebody saw something. 1089 00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,900 No, I do not think the boy would have gone back if he had been the murderer. 1090 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:01,800 Two points. 1091 00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:03,200 One... 1092 00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,200 In his state of panic, he may not have heard the scream, 1093 00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:07,400 perhaps it wasn't very loud. 1094 00:55:07,500 --> 00:55:11,700 Two. If he did hear it, he may not have connected it with his own act. 1095 00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:16,300 Remember, he lived in a neighbourhood where screams were fairly commonplace. 1096 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:17,500 Right! There's your answer. 1097 00:55:17,900 --> 00:55:21,700 Maybe the boy did stab his father, did not hear the screams, 1098 00:55:21,700 --> 00:55:25,000 run off in a panic and calmed down three hours later, 1099 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,300 came back to get his knife, risking being caught by the police, 1100 00:55:28,300 --> 00:55:32,100 maybe all of those things are so and maybe not! 1101 00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,300 I personally think there is enough doubt for us to wonder 1102 00:55:35,300 --> 00:55:38,100 if the boy was there at all when the murder took place. 1103 00:55:38,100 --> 00:55:39,900 What do you mean doubt? What are you talking about? 1104 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,800 Didn't the old man see the boy running out of the house? 1105 00:55:43,700 --> 00:55:45,000 Well, see? He's twisting the facts! 1106 00:55:45,300 --> 00:55:46,600 I'm telling you, he's twisting them! 1107 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,200 Did or didn't the old man see the boy running 1108 00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,400 out of the house at 12:10? Did he or didn't he? 1109 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,000 - He says he did... - Well... "He say's he did"? 1110 00:55:54,100 --> 00:55:56,300 How do you like this? "He says he did"... 1111 00:55:56,700 --> 00:55:59,900 Did or didn't the woman across the street see the boy kill his father? 1112 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,200 She said she did! 1113 00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,500 You make it like it don't matter what people say. 1114 00:56:04,100 --> 00:56:07,400 What you wanna believe, you believe, what you don't wanna believe, so you don't! 1115 00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,200 What kind of way is that? 1116 00:56:09,500 --> 00:56:12,000 And what do you think these people get up on the witness stand for? 1117 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:13,400 Their health? 1118 00:56:13,500 --> 00:56:15,800 I'm telling you man, the facts are being changed in here. 1119 00:56:15,900 --> 00:56:18,700 Witnesses are being doubted and there's no reason for it! 1120 00:56:18,700 --> 00:56:20,000 Witnesses can make mistakes. 1121 00:56:20,300 --> 00:56:22,300 Yeah, when you want'em to they do! You know what I mean? 1122 00:56:22,500 --> 00:56:24,500 Alright now, let's keep the yelling down. 1123 00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:25,400 Well you keep saying that! 1124 00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:26,800 What we need in here is a little yelling. 1125 00:56:26,900 --> 00:56:30,500 These men running off every each way. Did hear the scream, didn't hear the scream... 1126 00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,000 What difference does it make? 1127 00:56:32,300 --> 00:56:33,300 Those little details! 1128 00:56:33,500 --> 00:56:34,900 You guys are missing the important stuff. 1129 00:56:35,100 --> 00:56:36,700 I mean, all of a sudden you hear everybody... 1130 00:56:36,700 --> 00:56:38,800 I would like to call for another vote. 1131 00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,900 - I'm talking here! - Another vote called for here, gentlemen take your sits. 1132 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,400 - What are we gonna gain by voting again? - I don't know. 1133 00:56:44,500 --> 00:56:46,900 The man asked for another vote, we're gonna have another vote. 1134 00:56:47,500 --> 00:56:49,700 I've never seen so much time spent on nothing! 1135 00:56:49,900 --> 00:56:51,200 It only takes a second... 1136 00:56:51,300 --> 00:56:53,900 Alright, the fastest way is to find out who's voting not guilty. 1137 00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,700 All those in favour of not guilty raise your hand. 1138 00:56:59,500 --> 00:57:00,500 Three... 1139 00:57:01,100 --> 00:57:02,000 ...still the same. 1140 00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,800 Three not guilty, nine guilty. 1141 00:57:03,900 --> 00:57:05,100 So, where are we? 1142 00:57:05,300 --> 00:57:08,700 I mean, come on, we can yakety-yakety until next Tuesday. Where is it getting us? 1143 00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:09,800 Pardon me... 1144 00:57:09,900 --> 00:57:11,500 I would like to change my vote. 1145 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:13,300 I vote not guilty. 1146 00:57:13,700 --> 00:57:14,900 Oh brother! 1147 00:57:15,500 --> 00:57:17,400 Come on now, listen, what are you talking about? 1148 00:57:18,500 --> 00:57:19,800 We're all going crazy in here! 1149 00:57:19,900 --> 00:57:20,800 This kid is guilty. 1150 00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,100 Why don't you pay attention to the facts? 1151 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:24,200 Tell him, will you? 1152 00:57:24,300 --> 00:57:25,400 This is gotta be a god damn joke! 1153 00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,100 The vote is 8 to 4 in favour of guilty. 1154 00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,700 I mean, everybody's heart is starting to bleed for this punk little kid, 1155 00:57:32,100 --> 00:57:33,500 like the president just declared 1156 00:57:33,500 --> 00:57:35,900 "Love Your Underpriviledged Brother Week" or something... Listen to me! 1157 00:57:35,900 --> 00:57:38,100 I want you to tell me why you changed your vote. Come on, give me reasons! 1158 00:57:38,100 --> 00:57:42,700 I do not have to defend myself to you. I now have reasonable doubt. 1159 00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:44,600 "Reasonable doubt"... That's nothing but words! 1160 00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,100 Look at the knife! 1161 00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:50,500 The kid you just decided is not guilty was seen ramming that thing into his father. 1162 00:57:50,500 --> 00:57:53,200 Well, look at it, Mr. "Reasonable Doubt"! 1163 00:57:53,700 --> 00:57:54,700 That's not the knife... 1164 00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:57,100 ...don't you remember? 1165 00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:00,400 Brilliant! 1166 00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:01,600 You know this is the craziest... 1167 00:58:02,300 --> 00:58:04,600 I mean, you're pulling stories out of thin air. 1168 00:58:04,700 --> 00:58:06,300 What are we supposed to believe? 1169 00:58:07,300 --> 00:58:09,900 I'm telling you, if this guy was sitting ringside at the 1170 00:58:09,900 --> 00:58:12,900 Tyson Holyfield fight, he'd be trying to tell us Tyson won! 1171 00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,700 Look, what about the old man, eh? 1172 00:58:15,700 --> 00:58:18,000 Are we supposed to believe that he didn't get up and run 1173 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,300 to his front door and see that kid tearing down the stairs, 1174 00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,100 15 seconds after the killing? 1175 00:58:22,500 --> 00:58:24,800 He's only saying it so he can be important, right? 1176 00:58:25,100 --> 00:58:27,300 - I mean, what's the point of this... - Wait... wait a second, wait a second! 1177 00:58:27,500 --> 00:58:30,000 The Milwakee rooter is heard from and pop-ups 1178 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,900 are fallin' for base hits wherever we look at. 1179 00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:33,800 Did the old man say he run to the door? 1180 00:58:33,900 --> 00:58:36,100 Run, walked, what's the difference? He got there! 1181 00:58:36,100 --> 00:58:37,100 He said he run. 1182 00:58:37,700 --> 00:58:40,000 I don't remember what he said, but I don't see how he could run! 1183 00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:44,100 He said he run, he run from his bedroom to the front door. That's enough, isn't it? 1184 00:58:44,100 --> 00:58:46,100 Where exactly was that bedroom again? 1185 00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,400 It was down in the hall somewhere. You don't remember that? 1186 00:58:49,100 --> 00:58:50,900 - No... - I thought you remembered everything! 1187 00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,300 Mr. Foreman, I'd like to see a diagram of the apartment again please. 1188 00:58:54,300 --> 00:58:56,800 Why don't we run the trial over just to see if we can get everything straight... 1189 00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,000 - Mr. Foreman... - I heard you. 1190 00:58:58,100 --> 00:58:59,100 What's all this for? 1191 00:58:59,100 --> 00:59:01,900 How come you're the only one in the room who wants to see exhibits all the time. 1192 00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:03,000 I wanna see this one too! 1193 00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:04,400 And I wanna stop wasting time... 1194 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,300 If we are going to start wading through all this 1195 00:59:06,300 --> 00:59:08,400 business about where the body was found, then we can... 1196 00:59:08,500 --> 00:59:09,300 No, we're not! 1197 00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,400 I just wanna find out if a man who limps because he had a stroke a year ago, 1198 00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,800 can get from his bed to his front door in 15 seconds. 1199 00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,300 He said 20 seconds... 1200 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,000 - 15! - I'm telling you he said 20. Why do you always distort him? 1201 00:59:19,100 --> 00:59:20,100 He said 15... 1202 00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,300 How does he know how long 15 seconds is? 1203 00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:23,500 You can't judge a thing like that! 1204 00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:27,300 He said 15 seconds. He was very positive about it. 1205 00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,300 He's an old man, you saw him. Half the time he was confused! 1206 00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,900 How could he be positive ab... about anything? 1207 00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,200 I don't see what we're going to prove here. 1208 00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:39,100 The man said he saw the boy running out, that's what he said to us. 1209 00:59:39,100 --> 00:59:40,900 Well, let's see if the details bear him out. 1210 00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,500 Now, the minute the body fell, the old man says he heard footsteps 1211 00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,400 running towards the front door upstairs. 1212 00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:50,900 Then he heard that upstairs door open and the footsteps continued down the stairway. 1213 00:59:51,100 --> 00:59:53,500 He got to his front door as fast as he could, 1214 00:59:53,500 --> 00:59:55,500 swears it couldn't have been more than 15 seconds, 1215 00:59:56,300 --> 00:59:59,400 - Now if the killer started to run immediately... - Well, maybe he didn't! 1216 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,100 The old man says he did. 1217 01:00:01,100 --> 01:00:04,000 You oughta be down at Atlantic City at the hair-splitters' convention. 1218 01:00:04,500 --> 01:00:07,100 Hey baseball, why don't you stop with the smart remarks all the time? 1219 01:00:07,900 --> 01:00:11,300 Oh my friend, for your $15 a day you gotta listen to everything. 1220 01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:13,200 Ok, now you got that thing in here... What about it? 1221 01:00:14,100 --> 01:00:15,100 May I? 1222 01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,400 Ok, this is the apartment where the killing took place. 1223 01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,500 The old man's apartment is exactly like it, directly underneath. 1224 01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:26,200 Now, here's the el line, 1225 01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:30,000 here's the bedroom, living room, the kitchen and the bath, 1226 01:00:30,300 --> 01:00:33,800 here's the hallway and way down there is the front door 1227 01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,400 to the apartment and here are the steps that go down. 1228 01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,400 Now, the old man was in bed in this room. 1229 01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,100 He says he got up, he went into the hall, 1230 01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,900 went all the way down the hall, opened the front door, 1231 01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:50,000 just in time to see the boy racing down the stairs. 1232 01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:51,200 Am I right? 1233 01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,000 That's the story... for the 19th time! 1234 01:00:53,300 --> 01:00:55,900 15 seconds after he heard the body fall. 1235 01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:57,000 Correct... 1236 01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,600 The old man's bed was by the window. 1237 01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:03,800 That means he had to walk... 12 feet from the bed to the bedroom door 1238 01:01:03,900 --> 01:01:09,500 and the hall is... 43 feet 6 inches... down to the front door. 1239 01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:14,500 That means that he had to get up, get out of bed, walk 12 feet, open the bedroom door, 1240 01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:18,900 walk 43 feet and open the front door to his apartment, 1241 01:01:19,100 --> 01:01:20,800 all in 15 seconds... 1242 01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,200 Does anyone think he could have done it? 1243 01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,300 - Sure he could have done it! - He can only walk very slowly... 1244 01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:26,300 There they helped him to the witness chair... 1245 01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,200 You make it sound like a long walk! It's not! 1246 01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:32,000 For an old man who's had a stroke... it's a long walk! 1247 01:01:33,900 --> 01:01:34,800 What are you doing? 1248 01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:36,700 I wanna set this up, see how long it took him. 1249 01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:37,900 What do you mean you wanna set this up? 1250 01:01:37,900 --> 01:01:40,000 Why didn't the kid's lawyer bring it up if it's so important? 1251 01:01:40,100 --> 01:01:41,300 Maybe he just didn't think of it! 1252 01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,100 What do you mean he didn't think of it? Do you think the guy's an idiot or something? 1253 01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,200 - It's an obvious thing, isn't it? - Did you think of it? 1254 01:01:46,300 --> 01:01:48,600 Look smart guy, don't matter what, I thought of it over the night. 1255 01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:50,200 Alright, let's calm it down. 1256 01:01:50,300 --> 01:01:51,900 He didn't bring it up cause he thought it was gonna hurt his case. 1257 01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,300 Wait a minute! Maybe he didn't bring it up because it would seem as if 1258 01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,800 he was badgering and pressuring a helpless old man, 1259 01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,500 which does not sit well with a jury, 1260 01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,100 lawyers try to avoid that sort of thing if they can... 1261 01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:03,700 What kind of bum is he then? 1262 01:02:04,100 --> 01:02:05,700 That's exactly what I've been asking! 1263 01:02:05,700 --> 01:02:07,400 Now, let's say this is the old man's bed. 1264 01:02:07,500 --> 01:02:10,400 First, I'm gonna pace off 12 feet, that's the length of the bedroom. 1265 01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:14,000 You're crazy! You can't recreate a thing like that! 1266 01:02:16,300 --> 01:02:18,600 You wanna do me a favour? Could you hand me that chair? 1267 01:02:19,500 --> 01:02:21,800 Put it right here... This is the bedroom door. 1268 01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,600 Now the hallway was... what? It was 43 feet. 1269 01:02:27,100 --> 01:02:30,400 Well, I'll pace over to that wall and then back around this way again. 1270 01:02:30,500 --> 01:02:34,100 This is absolutely insane! What's the idea behind wasting everybody's time with this? 1271 01:02:34,500 --> 01:02:38,200 ...11... 12... Look, it's only gonna take 15 seconds according to you! 1272 01:02:48,700 --> 01:02:50,900 ...40... 41... 42... 43. 1273 01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,300 If you would... thank you very much! 1274 01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:57,100 This is the doorway out into the hall and the stairway going down. 1275 01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,700 It was chain locked according to testimony. 1276 01:02:59,700 --> 01:03:02,000 Now, does anybody here got a second hand on their watch? 1277 01:03:02,100 --> 01:03:03,100 I have. 1278 01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:06,400 Alright. Will you just stamp your foot when you want me to go, 1279 01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,300 that'll be the body falling, alright? 1280 01:03:08,300 --> 01:03:09,300 Time me from then. 1281 01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:10,700 Anybody for charades? 1282 01:03:10,700 --> 01:03:13,500 - I've never seen anything like this in my whole... - Alright, I'm ready. 1283 01:03:14,500 --> 01:03:15,400 Come on, come on, won't you? 1284 01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,500 I'm waiting for the second hand to reach sixty. 1285 01:03:19,300 --> 01:03:20,300 Go! 1286 01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,200 Oh come on, step it up, he walked twice as fast as that! 1287 01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:29,000 That's too slow! 1288 01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,000 That's how he walked, he walked like an old man! 1289 01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:32,600 ... what will this kid's stuff do? 1290 01:03:33,500 --> 01:03:35,400 - No. That's too slow... - ... that's the way he walked. 1291 01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,800 You want me to walk faster? Alright, I'll walk faster. 1292 01:03:48,500 --> 01:03:51,300 - This is a trial for murder! - Relax, will ya? Jeez! 1293 01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:00,600 Time! 1294 01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:03,600 Exactly 42 seconds! 1295 01:04:04,100 --> 01:04:05,400 42 seconds? 1296 01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:07,300 42 seconds. 1297 01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:10,200 Here's what I think happened. 1298 01:04:11,100 --> 01:04:14,600 I think the old man heard the fight between the boy and his father earlier 1299 01:04:14,700 --> 01:04:17,100 and then a couple of hours later, lying in bed, 1300 01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,700 he heard the body hit the floor at the boy's apartment 1301 01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,000 and heard the woman scream across the street. 1302 01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:24,200 He tried to get to the front door. 1303 01:04:24,300 --> 01:04:28,600 He heard someone running down the stairs and he assumed that it was the boy. 1304 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,100 I think that's possible. 1305 01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:32,200 Assumed? 1306 01:04:33,100 --> 01:04:34,400 Now listen to me people! 1307 01:04:35,500 --> 01:04:39,200 I've heard all kinds of dishonesty in my day, but this little display... 1308 01:04:39,300 --> 01:04:40,900 ...takes the cake! You come in here, 1309 01:04:41,500 --> 01:04:45,200 with your sanctimonious talk about slum kids and injustice 1310 01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,400 and you make up a lot of wild stories 1311 01:04:47,700 --> 01:04:50,800 and all of a sudden you're gettin' through to some of these little old ladies in here. 1312 01:04:50,900 --> 01:04:52,900 But you're not getting through to me! I've had enough! 1313 01:04:53,300 --> 01:04:54,800 What is the matter with you people? 1314 01:04:55,300 --> 01:04:58,000 Everyone of you knows he's guilty! He's got to burn! 1315 01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:00,500 We'll let him slip through our fingers! 1316 01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,300 "... let him slip through our fingers... " What are you, his executioner? 1317 01:05:03,300 --> 01:05:04,200 I'm one of them! 1318 01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:05,400 Maybe you'd like to put the needle in! 1319 01:05:05,700 --> 01:05:06,800 For this kid? You bet I would! 1320 01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:08,300 God, I'm sorry for you... 1321 01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:09,400 Don't start with me now! 1322 01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,200 Ever since we've walked into this room, 1323 01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,700 you've acted like a self-appointed public avenger. 1324 01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:15,000 Shut up! 1325 01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:19,500 You want the boy to die for your own personal reasons, not because of the facts! 1326 01:05:22,100 --> 01:05:23,100 You're a sadist! 1327 01:05:23,100 --> 01:05:24,400 I'll kill him! I'll kill him! 1328 01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,400 You don't really mean you'll kill me, do you? 1329 01:05:31,700 --> 01:05:33,000 What the hell's going on here? 1330 01:05:33,700 --> 01:05:34,700 Nothing. 1331 01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:38,100 Just a little argument, everything's fine brother, everything is... 1332 01:05:39,100 --> 01:05:40,100 ...fine. 1333 01:05:40,500 --> 01:05:42,200 Just.. things just got a little heated. 1334 01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:45,000 Thank you. 1335 01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:52,400 What are you staring at? 1336 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,900 Well, I suppose we need someone else to start this off again, eh? 1337 01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:08,200 It's getting late. 1338 01:06:08,300 --> 01:06:10,800 What do they do? Take us out to a restaurant or something? 1339 01:06:11,300 --> 01:06:12,300 I don't know. 1340 01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:15,700 I sure hope they let us go home in case we don't finish this case tonight. 1341 01:06:16,300 --> 01:06:18,600 My little grandson has the mumps, face up to here, 1342 01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,400 my wife says he looks like Fat Albo... 1343 01:06:23,700 --> 01:06:25,400 Well, look guys, 1344 01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:28,800 if noone else has any ideas, I might have a cute one here, I mean... 1345 01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,300 ...I ain't putting my stock into it, but let me throw it out in the stoop, 1346 01:06:32,300 --> 01:06:33,600 see if the cat licks it up, what do you say? 1347 01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:35,800 "... the cat licks it up" 1348 01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:38,300 Yeah... it's an expression... 1349 01:06:40,900 --> 01:06:42,500 It wasn't much of an idea really... 1350 01:06:47,900 --> 01:06:49,400 Look how dark it's getting there. 1351 01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:51,500 We're gonna have a storm. 1352 01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:54,600 - Well... - Boy, it's hot! 1353 01:06:58,100 --> 01:06:59,100 Don't you sweat? 1354 01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:01,600 No, no, I don't... 1355 01:07:02,700 --> 01:07:03,700 I don't either. 1356 01:07:07,100 --> 01:07:09,800 Well, listen! I'm wondering... maybe we could take another vote. 1357 01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:13,400 Yeah... Maybe we can follow this one up with dancing and refreshments! 1358 01:07:14,100 --> 01:07:16,300 - Mr. Foreman... - Alright with me. 1359 01:07:16,700 --> 01:07:17,700 Anyone who doesn't wanna vote? 1360 01:07:18,900 --> 01:07:23,600 I think we should have an open ballot. Call out your votes, see who stands where. 1361 01:07:24,300 --> 01:07:27,100 Alright... The last vote was 8 to 4 in favour of guilty. 1362 01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,800 I'll just call out your jury numbers. 1363 01:07:31,100 --> 01:07:33,100 I vote guilty. Number 2? 1364 01:07:35,500 --> 01:07:36,500 Not guilty. 1365 01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:39,400 Number 3? 1366 01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:40,800 Guilty. 1367 01:07:41,700 --> 01:07:43,000 - Number 4? - Guilty. 1368 01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:44,800 Number 5... 1369 01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:46,000 Not guilty. 1370 01:07:47,300 --> 01:07:48,300 Number 6... 1371 01:07:50,500 --> 01:07:51,500 Not guilty. 1372 01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:54,600 Number 7... 1373 01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:57,000 Guilty. 1374 01:07:57,800 --> 01:07:58,800 Number 8... 1375 01:07:58,800 --> 01:07:59,900 Not guilty. 1376 01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:02,300 - Number 9... - Not guilty. 1377 01:08:03,700 --> 01:08:04,600 Number 10... 1378 01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:06,100 He's guilty brother. 1379 01:08:07,100 --> 01:08:08,100 Number 11... 1380 01:08:08,300 --> 01:08:09,300 Not guilty. 1381 01:08:10,300 --> 01:08:11,300 Number 12... 1382 01:08:13,700 --> 01:08:14,700 Guilty. 1383 01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:20,200 6 to 6. 1384 01:08:20,900 --> 01:08:23,100 And we go into extra innings here. 1385 01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:24,200 6 to 6! 1386 01:08:24,700 --> 01:08:28,200 Well, I'm telling you, some of you people have lost your damn minds! A kid like that! 1387 01:08:29,100 --> 01:08:31,800 I don't think the kind of boy has anything to do with it. 1388 01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:34,600 The facts are supposed to determine the case. 1389 01:08:34,700 --> 01:08:36,200 Oh, don't give me any of that "facts"! 1390 01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:37,400 I'm sick and tired of facts! 1391 01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:38,600 Twist'em any way you want to! 1392 01:08:38,700 --> 01:08:39,700 Facts! Facts! 1393 01:08:41,900 --> 01:08:46,000 That's... That's exactly the point that this gentleman has been making! 1394 01:08:46,500 --> 01:08:48,500 You... You keep shouting at the top of your lungs 1395 01:08:48,500 --> 01:08:52,400 as though that were some sort of solution, I mean... 1396 01:08:56,700 --> 01:08:58,700 I just wish I was a little younger... 1397 01:09:00,500 --> 01:09:03,800 - It's gonna rain. - No! How did you figure that out? 1398 01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:07,700 How come you switched? 1399 01:09:08,300 --> 01:09:09,300 Well, it just seemed... 1400 01:09:09,300 --> 01:09:11,000 You haven't got a leg to stand on, don't you? 1401 01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:12,700 I don't feel that way. 1402 01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:15,600 - There were a lot of details that didn't come out. - Details? 1403 01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,200 Look, you just let yourself to get bulldozed by 1404 01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:20,100 a bunch of these old white washed intellectuals. 1405 01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:21,600 - That's not so! - Oh come on, this is me! 1406 01:09:22,300 --> 01:09:24,800 You're just like some other folks your age, you're scared of the white man! 1407 01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:26,100 They say something, you get low... 1408 01:09:26,100 --> 01:09:27,100 Hey you, listen! 1409 01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,400 - ... you make stuff I said! - You have no right to... 1410 01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:33,200 You... loudmouth! 1411 01:09:34,700 --> 01:09:36,300 - Oh oh! Here it comes! - Look at that. 1412 01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:41,600 Get that window, come on! 1413 01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:44,600 What's with this window here? 1414 01:09:53,700 --> 01:09:56,900 Let's try to get this air conditioning working in here, what do you say, eh? 1415 01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:01,700 Hey! Look at this! 1416 01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:04,200 Hey, it must have been connected to the light switch, eh? 1417 01:10:14,100 --> 01:10:15,100 Some rain, eh? 1418 01:10:18,900 --> 01:10:20,800 And what about this thing - even Steven... 1419 01:10:21,900 --> 01:10:23,300 Kinda surprising, isn't it? 1420 01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:24,600 Yeah, yeah... 1421 01:10:25,700 --> 01:10:28,200 You know, that business before, when that guy was baiting me... 1422 01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:32,700 That doesn't prove anything! I'm a very excitable person, I mean... 1423 01:10:33,900 --> 01:10:37,900 Where does he come off calling me a public avenger and a sadist and everything? 1424 01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,100 Anybody in his right mind would've blown his stack, right? 1425 01:10:41,700 --> 01:10:43,500 He... was just tryin' to bait me. 1426 01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:45,300 He did an excellent job. 1427 01:10:47,700 --> 01:10:49,000 Man, look at it go... 1428 01:10:51,900 --> 01:10:53,300 You know, it reminds me of the... 1429 01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,100 ...city championships three years ago. 1430 01:10:58,100 --> 01:10:59,100 What a game! 1431 01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:04,600 Score was tie, 21-21, it could've gone out of the way... 1432 01:11:05,300 --> 01:11:07,300 We had this young brother Yelder. 1433 01:11:07,500 --> 01:11:08,500 Great kid. 1434 01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,400 Quiet, respectful, wiry, 1435 01:11:11,900 --> 01:11:14,000 but he could shake you out of your shoes! 1436 01:11:16,300 --> 01:11:17,300 Nobody could touch him. 1437 01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:19,700 I'm the football coach over at Bay Side. 1438 01:11:20,900 --> 01:11:23,000 These gaps he just started to have around him, 1439 01:11:23,700 --> 01:11:26,600 the refs said they requested the game just to see him play. 1440 01:11:27,100 --> 01:11:29,100 He was renowned... I mean... I... 1441 01:11:30,100 --> 01:11:31,600 I'd built the whole team around him. 1442 01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:33,000 I knew better, but I... 1443 01:11:35,100 --> 01:11:36,100 ...but I loved the kid. 1444 01:11:38,700 --> 01:11:40,700 We came out at half time and it.. 1445 01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:42,200 ...already began pouring. 1446 01:11:43,100 --> 01:11:45,100 Now, at the 4rth quarter the field was mud bath! 1447 01:11:45,500 --> 01:11:47,400 Yelder of course, he couldn't get to sweating. 1448 01:11:47,500 --> 01:11:49,900 He sat scatback and there it was a big fullback 1449 01:11:49,900 --> 01:11:53,100 that's rammed down our throats and... won the game. 1450 01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:56,000 But, you know... 1451 01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:57,400 I'll always remember... 1452 01:11:58,300 --> 01:11:59,500 Yelder after the game... 1453 01:12:01,900 --> 01:12:03,100 sitting on the bench... 1454 01:12:04,500 --> 01:12:05,500 still in his uniform... 1455 01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:13,800 staring off into... space. 1456 01:12:19,100 --> 01:12:22,400 His... broken heart! 1457 01:12:38,100 --> 01:12:41,200 Isn't that the dumbest thing you ever saw? 6 to 6! 1458 01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:43,000 It's a joke! 1459 01:12:43,300 --> 01:12:45,300 What are we gonna do about it? Can we break it somehow? 1460 01:12:45,900 --> 01:12:48,100 Yeah, well, six fools in there aren't gonna change their minds... 1461 01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,200 I thought they already have changed their mind. 1462 01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:52,500 There's no reason why they can't be persuaded to do it again. 1463 01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:53,800 And how? 1464 01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:55,900 Just by using logic! 1465 01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:57,600 Yeah, logic, eh? 1466 01:12:57,900 --> 01:13:00,400 You listen to this man, he's the only one in the room who knows. 1467 01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:01,800 Hey, you want my opinion? 1468 01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:03,400 Go ahead. 1469 01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:04,500 I think we should just quit. 1470 01:13:05,300 --> 01:13:06,500 What are you talking about? 1471 01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,100 I mean, come on, these six people in there, 1472 01:13:09,500 --> 01:13:11,700 all of a sudden they act like it's some kind of mission or something. 1473 01:13:12,100 --> 01:13:13,300 I mean, come on, they're not gonna switch. 1474 01:13:13,300 --> 01:13:15,400 Let's just go to the judge or we'll be here all night. 1475 01:13:15,500 --> 01:13:16,900 Let's just go and tell her that we're hung. 1476 01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:18,000 To hell with this! 1477 01:13:18,300 --> 01:13:21,400 What am I supposed to do? Break my brain over some... scum like that? 1478 01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:23,300 You took an oath in the courtroom! 1479 01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:24,600 You can't just quit. 1480 01:13:24,700 --> 01:13:25,700 Why not? 1481 01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:27,000 It's dishonest! 1482 01:13:27,100 --> 01:13:28,400 Why don't you just vote not guilty? 1483 01:13:28,500 --> 01:13:30,500 No, I voted guilty cause I think he's guilty! 1484 01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,200 - But you don't care about what happens to him! - No, why should I? 1485 01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,700 Stop this! We're not going to get anywhere like this. 1486 01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:37,800 I mean, come on, what does he want? I gave him an honest opinion. 1487 01:13:37,900 --> 01:13:38,900 I know. 1488 01:13:39,700 --> 01:13:40,800 Oh, I suppose you don't think much of it... 1489 01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:42,200 No, I don't! 1490 01:13:45,500 --> 01:13:47,200 How about him? Is that something? 1491 01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,000 Ah well, a hung jury doesn't mean anything. 1492 01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:53,300 Just have to start the trial again with another jury. 1493 01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:54,300 That's not what we're here for... 1494 01:13:54,300 --> 01:13:55,500 What the hell is the difference? 1495 01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:56,900 A hung jury's what you're gonna get! 1496 01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:03,000 Alright, look! I'll tell you what I think, alright? 1497 01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:04,200 We ain't going nowhere in here! 1498 01:14:04,700 --> 01:14:07,100 I'm ready to go into court right now and declare a hung jury. 1499 01:14:07,300 --> 01:14:08,300 Yeah, I go for that too! 1500 01:14:08,300 --> 01:14:09,600 Come on, let's take it to the judge. 1501 01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,500 Let this kid take his chances with 12 other guys. 1502 01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:15,700 The court is not going to accept a hung jury. We haven't been here long enough. 1503 01:14:15,700 --> 01:14:16,700 Well, let's find out! 1504 01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:18,000 I'm not in favour of this. 1505 01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,300 Listen, this kid wouldn't stand a chance with another jury and you know it. 1506 01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:23,000 Come on, we're hung... 1507 01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:26,000 Nobody's gonna change their opinion! Let's take it inside. 1508 01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:28,400 You still don't think there's any room for reasonable doubt? 1509 01:14:28,900 --> 01:14:29,900 No, I don't. 1510 01:14:29,900 --> 01:14:33,200 Pardon, maybe you do not fully understand the term reasonable doubt. 1511 01:14:33,500 --> 01:14:35,200 Oh, what do you mean I don't understand? 1512 01:14:35,900 --> 01:14:37,800 Who the hell are you to talk to me like that? 1513 01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:40,500 How do you like this guy, eh? I'm telling you... 1514 01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:42,100 They're all the same... 1515 01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:44,900 You come over to this country running for your life 1516 01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,600 and before you can take a big breath he's telling us how to run the show. 1517 01:14:48,500 --> 01:14:49,600 The arrogance of this guy! 1518 01:14:49,900 --> 01:14:52,700 - Oh you call him arrogant cause he wasn't born here. - Please don't...- 1519 01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:54,800 Well, I'm calling you arrogant cause you were, how's that? 1520 01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:56,400 - Hey look, sonny... - And who the hell are you calling sonny? 1521 01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:57,400 Hey look, sonny! 1522 01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:00,200 Nobody around here's gonna tell me what words I understand and what words I don't. 1523 01:15:00,700 --> 01:15:01,700 Especially him! 1524 01:15:02,100 --> 01:15:05,500 Cause I'll knock his middle eastern European god damn head off! 1525 01:15:05,500 --> 01:15:07,000 Alright, cut the bullshit. 1526 01:15:07,300 --> 01:15:09,100 We're not going in as a hung jury. 1527 01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,700 Come on, let's get back to work. 1528 01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:15,700 I think there's something I would like to discuss, if it's alright with you gentlemen. 1529 01:15:15,900 --> 01:15:19,000 An important point the prosecution raised, was the fact that the boy, 1530 01:15:19,100 --> 01:15:20,800 having said that he was at the movies, 1531 01:15:21,100 --> 01:15:23,100 during the time the murder occured, 1532 01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:27,300 could not remember the names of the films or the stars that were in them. 1533 01:15:27,300 --> 01:15:30,400 - This gentleman has raised that point several times. - That's correct. 1534 01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,400 It was the only alibi the boy offered 1535 01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:36,600 and he himself couldn't back it up with any details at all. 1536 01:15:36,700 --> 01:15:39,500 Well, putting yourself in the boy's place, if you can, 1537 01:15:39,900 --> 01:15:42,200 do you think that you would be able to remember details 1538 01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:45,500 after an experience such as your father hitting you on the face? 1539 01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:50,500 Yes, I think so, if there were any special details to remember. 1540 01:15:50,900 --> 01:15:52,800 He couldn't remember the movies at the theatre 1541 01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,200 he named because he wasn't there that night. 1542 01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:58,600 Well, the police said they interrogated the boy in the kitchen of his apartment, 1543 01:15:58,700 --> 01:16:01,600 while his father's body lay on the floor of the bedroom. 1544 01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:06,100 Do you think that you could remember details under a situation such as that? 1545 01:16:06,500 --> 01:16:07,500 Yes, I do. 1546 01:16:07,500 --> 01:16:09,500 Under extreme emotional stress? 1547 01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,300 Under extreme emotional stress, yes, yes... 1548 01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,200 Of course, in court, he did remember the names of the pictures 1549 01:16:15,300 --> 01:16:18,000 and he remembered the names of the stars that appeared in them. 1550 01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:20,600 Oh, yes! His lawyer took great pains to bring that out. 1551 01:16:20,900 --> 01:16:23,300 He had three months from the night of the murder 1552 01:16:23,300 --> 01:16:25,800 to the day of the trial in which to memorise them. 1553 01:16:25,900 --> 01:16:30,700 I'll take the testimony of the policemen who interrogated him right after the murder. 1554 01:16:31,700 --> 01:16:34,000 Then he couldn't remember a thing about the movies. 1555 01:16:34,300 --> 01:16:36,400 Great emotional stress or not! 1556 01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:38,600 Ok... Could I ask you a personal question? 1557 01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:39,600 Oh, please, go ahead, go ahead... 1558 01:16:39,700 --> 01:16:40,700 Where were you last night? 1559 01:16:40,900 --> 01:16:42,100 I was home, yes.. 1560 01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:43,900 Ok... The night before that? 1561 01:16:43,900 --> 01:16:44,900 Hey, come on, what is this? 1562 01:16:45,300 --> 01:16:46,500 It's perfectly alright... wait, wait... 1563 01:16:46,700 --> 01:16:47,700 The night before... 1564 01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:53,900 I went from home to my office, stayed until 8:30, then I went straight home to bed, yes. 1565 01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:55,600 Alright... and the night before that? 1566 01:16:56,600 --> 01:17:00,600 That was... Tuesday... thank you, Tuesday. 1567 01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:04,600 That was the night of the bridge tournament... Yes, yes, I played bridge. 1568 01:17:05,300 --> 01:17:06,300 And Monday night? 1569 01:17:06,300 --> 01:17:09,600 When you get them down to New Year's Eve 1972, let me know! 1570 01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:10,500 Wait, wait... 1571 01:17:10,500 --> 01:17:12,700 Monday night... 1572 01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,000 ...Oh yes! My wife and I went to the movies. 1573 01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:17,600 Ah... What did you see? 1574 01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:23,600 "Lies... and... secrets". 1575 01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:27,800 It was a very touching story about a black woman who... 1576 01:17:27,900 --> 01:17:28,900 Excuse me! 1577 01:17:29,700 --> 01:17:31,900 It's called "Secrets and lies". 1578 01:17:32,700 --> 01:17:34,400 "Secrets and lies", yes... 1579 01:17:34,500 --> 01:17:37,200 Correct. And who was in "Secrets and lies"? 1580 01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:42,300 Wait, wait, wait a minute... It was something with a 'B'... it was 'Be'... 1581 01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:44,800 I think... 1582 01:17:44,900 --> 01:17:46,800 Yeah, Bella, Bella... Bella... 1583 01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:47,800 It was Brenda. 1584 01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:49,400 Brenda, 1585 01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:51,600 ...was her name. And what was her last name? 1586 01:17:54,900 --> 01:17:55,900 It was an english movie... 1587 01:17:57,800 --> 01:17:59,700 The actors that I'm not familiar with... 1588 01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:01,700 ...There was something with 'U'... 1589 01:18:05,300 --> 01:18:07,300 I'm sorry. I'm very sorry. 1590 01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:11,200 And you weren't under great emotional stress at the time, were you? 1591 01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:14,200 No sir, I... wasn't... sorry. 1592 01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:16,500 I think the point is made! 1593 01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:18,000 Yeah, big point! 1594 01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:20,400 I think it is a big point. 1595 01:18:20,900 --> 01:18:23,800 What, because he couldn't remember the name of a couple of two brit movie stars? 1596 01:18:24,100 --> 01:18:26,600 Oh well, I guess that proves that the kid was at the movies then. 1597 01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:29,800 No, but it indicates that noone can prove that he wasn't. 1598 01:18:30,700 --> 01:18:33,300 He might have been at the movies and forgotten what he saw, 1599 01:18:33,900 --> 01:18:34,900 it's possible... 1600 01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:38,600 If it's perfectly logical for this gentleman to forget a few details, 1601 01:18:38,700 --> 01:18:40,300 it's perfectly logical for the boy! 1602 01:18:41,300 --> 01:18:45,100 Being accused of murder isn't supposed to give him an infallible memory. 1603 01:18:45,300 --> 01:18:48,600 Man, you can talk till your tongue is draggin' on the ground, ok? 1604 01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:49,700 The kid is guilty, period! 1605 01:18:49,900 --> 01:18:51,100 You know what I mean, my friend? 1606 01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:54,400 Who's got the cough drops? 1607 01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:58,700 They're all gone... my friend. 1608 01:19:00,700 --> 01:19:04,400 You know, there's something we're forgetting here, that I was just thinking about 1609 01:19:05,300 --> 01:19:07,400 and that's that old business that dragged down forever 1610 01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:10,600 with the psychiatrists, where he got all involved with... 1611 01:19:10,700 --> 01:19:14,300 Oh come on, don't start with all that phony, psycho, whatsyoucallem stuff! 1612 01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,800 That boy would have reckon that is, fill the people's heads with all that junk. 1613 01:19:17,900 --> 01:19:20,700 I got three psychiatrists bringing in collars to my detail shop, 1614 01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:22,800 the whole three of them bullies is crazy! 1615 01:19:23,100 --> 01:19:24,100 I'm trying to make a point... 1616 01:19:24,100 --> 01:19:25,900 I will give you a buffalo nickel for a 1617 01:19:25,900 --> 01:19:28,100 psychiatrist's testimony, I would... I would! 1618 01:19:28,100 --> 01:19:29,900 Why won't you let the man talk? 1619 01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:34,700 You can do five minutes on the usages of psychiatry after he's through. 1620 01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:35,800 What I was gonna say, 1621 01:19:36,300 --> 01:19:38,100 was that the psychiatrist definitely stated 1622 01:19:38,100 --> 01:19:40,300 that the boy had strong homicidal tendencies, 1623 01:19:40,900 --> 01:19:42,900 that he was capable of commiting murder. 1624 01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:47,200 He also described all those tests, etc. 1625 01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:50,200 The boy definitely was the killer type, am I right? 1626 01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:52,900 I think he said something about paranoid enmities, if I'm not mistaken. 1627 01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:54,000 That's right! 1628 01:19:54,300 --> 01:19:55,800 Let's just try to remember he said it. 1629 01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:57,800 Let's not forget that we're talking about a 1630 01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:00,100 boy here who's always had murder on his mind. 1631 01:20:00,100 --> 01:20:01,300 His unconscious mind! 1632 01:20:01,900 --> 01:20:03,300 I beg your pardon! In discussing... 1633 01:20:03,300 --> 01:20:05,600 "I beg your pardon"! Why are you so damn polite about? 1634 01:20:07,300 --> 01:20:11,500 For the same reason that you are not: It was the way I was brought up... 1635 01:20:12,100 --> 01:20:14,500 In discussing such a thing as the murder potential, 1636 01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:19,300 we must remember that many of us are capable of commiting murder, but few of us do. 1637 01:20:19,700 --> 01:20:22,000 We impose controls upon ourselves to prevent it. 1638 01:20:22,700 --> 01:20:26,500 Now the most that these psychiatric tests can accomplish along these lines is this... 1639 01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:31,300 They can tell us that some day, a particular person may commit murder. 1640 01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:33,600 That is all! They prove nothing! 1641 01:20:33,700 --> 01:20:35,500 Then how come they're admitted in evidence? 1642 01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:37,500 They have many uses, of course... 1643 01:20:37,900 --> 01:20:39,700 In this case, they added to the general 1644 01:20:39,700 --> 01:20:42,000 impression the prosecution was trying to create. 1645 01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:44,200 Perhaps we would find, 1646 01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:47,100 if the twelve of us men took the same tests, 1647 01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:51,900 one or two of us might be discovered to have the subconscious desires to kill 1648 01:20:52,300 --> 01:20:54,500 and the potentiality of carrying them out. 1649 01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:56,800 Yet, none of us has... 1650 01:20:57,500 --> 01:20:59,800 To say that the man is capable of murder, 1651 01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,000 does not mean that he has commited murder. 1652 01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:03,300 Yeah, but it could mean it! 1653 01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:07,200 Look, if they said that this kid is capable of killing, he could've killed, couldn't he? 1654 01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:09,400 You're the one who said and I quote: 1655 01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:12,500 "I wouldn't give a buffalo nickel for a psychiatrist's testimony"! 1656 01:21:16,700 --> 01:21:17,900 5 to 6... 1657 01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:21,100 Look at that rain... 1658 01:21:23,100 --> 01:21:24,500 There goes the old ball game. 1659 01:21:26,500 --> 01:21:30,700 Say... Say... Could I see that knife for a second? 1660 01:21:33,700 --> 01:21:34,900 Alright gentlemen... 1661 01:21:36,900 --> 01:21:38,400 ...we're still tied 6 to 6. 1662 01:21:40,500 --> 01:21:42,600 - Who's got a suggestion? - I do. Where's that dinner? 1663 01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:45,400 - Let's go until 7, give it another hour. - Ok. 1664 01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:48,300 Listen... Something... Something I wanna say. 1665 01:21:49,300 --> 01:21:50,900 It's been bothering me a little and... 1666 01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:52,900 as long as we're stuck... 1667 01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:55,000 Well, 1668 01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,700 there was this whole business about the stab wound, 1669 01:21:58,700 --> 01:22:02,400 how it was made, the downward angle, you know? 1670 01:22:02,500 --> 01:22:05,000 You're not gonna start that again, they went over 'n' over it! 1671 01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:06,400 I know they did, but I... 1672 01:22:07,500 --> 01:22:08,900 ...I can't go along with it. 1673 01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:11,000 The boy... 1674 01:22:12,300 --> 01:22:16,300 ...was, what, 5 feet 7 inches tall, right? 1675 01:22:16,500 --> 01:22:21,000 And according to the medical examiner, the father was 6 feet 2. 1676 01:22:21,700 --> 01:22:24,900 Now, that's a difference of 7 inches. 1677 01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:29,500 Now, it's an awkward thing to... 1678 01:22:30,300 --> 01:22:36,200 stab down into somebody's chest when he's more than half a foot taller than you are. 1679 01:22:36,700 --> 01:22:37,800 Give me that thing! 1680 01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:43,200 You won't be satisfied till you see this again, 1681 01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:44,700 so I'm gonna give you a little demonstration. 1682 01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:46,200 Somebody get up. 1683 01:22:50,900 --> 01:22:51,900 Ok... 1684 01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:56,300 Watch this please, I don't wanna have to do it again. 1685 01:23:07,300 --> 01:23:09,500 I'm about 6 or 7 inches shorter than you, right? 1686 01:23:09,500 --> 01:23:11,000 Yeah, maybe even a little more. 1687 01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:12,700 Well, let it be more. 1688 01:23:19,500 --> 01:23:21,400 - Hey, that ain't funny! - What's the matter with you? 1689 01:23:22,700 --> 01:23:23,800 Calm down... 1690 01:23:25,100 --> 01:23:26,100 Nobody's hurt, right? 1691 01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:27,300 Nobody's hurt. 1692 01:23:28,500 --> 01:23:29,500 Now... 1693 01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:33,400 ...there's you angle. Take a look at it. Down and in. 1694 01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:37,900 That's the way I would stab a taller man and that's the way it was done. 1695 01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:41,100 Now go ahead, tell me I'm wrong. 1696 01:23:41,700 --> 01:23:43,600 Down and in! That's how it was done. 1697 01:23:44,100 --> 01:23:46,000 Wait a minute, wait a minute! Let me see that! 1698 01:23:48,100 --> 01:23:50,300 This is a stiletto, not a switchblade. 1699 01:23:51,300 --> 01:23:52,400 I hate these things! 1700 01:23:53,300 --> 01:23:54,400 I grew up with them. 1701 01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:56,200 Have you ever seen them used in a fight? 1702 01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:57,600 Too many of them. 1703 01:23:58,200 --> 01:23:59,700 On my stoop, in my backyard... 1704 01:24:00,500 --> 01:24:01,500 ...a lot across the street... 1705 01:24:03,300 --> 01:24:05,200 These came with the neighbourhood where I lived. 1706 01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:09,300 It's funny I wasn't thinking of it... 1707 01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:11,800 I guess I try to forget those things... 1708 01:24:14,300 --> 01:24:16,100 You can't use this kind of knife that way. 1709 01:24:17,500 --> 01:24:19,500 You have to hold it like this to release the blade. 1710 01:24:20,300 --> 01:24:23,100 In order to stab downwards you have to change your grip. 1711 01:24:23,900 --> 01:24:25,100 Well, how do you use it? 1712 01:24:25,300 --> 01:24:27,100 Underhand, like this. 1713 01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,400 Anyone who's ever used one of these would never handle it any other way. 1714 01:24:32,100 --> 01:24:33,100 Are you sure? 1715 01:24:33,100 --> 01:24:35,100 Yeah, I'm sure. That's why it's made like this. 1716 01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,700 Well, we all agree that that boy is pretty handy with the knife, right? 1717 01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:39,800 Yeah, that's right. 1718 01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:42,200 You think he could have made the kind of wound that killed his father? 1719 01:24:42,500 --> 01:24:45,400 Not with the experience he'd had using these things, no, I don't think he would. 1720 01:24:46,500 --> 01:24:47,600 He'd go for my laying... 1721 01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:49,900 How do you know? Were you in the room when the father was killed? 1722 01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:51,000 No... neither was anyone else. 1723 01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:53,600 You're giving us a lot of mumbo jumbo, I don't believe it! 1724 01:24:54,100 --> 01:24:56,400 I don't think you can determine the type of 1725 01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:58,700 wounds this boy might or might not have made, 1726 01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:01,200 simply because he knows how to handle a knife. 1727 01:25:01,300 --> 01:25:02,700 That's right, that's absolutely right! 1728 01:25:03,500 --> 01:25:04,600 What do you think? 1729 01:25:07,100 --> 01:25:08,100 Well... 1730 01:25:09,500 --> 01:25:10,200 ...I don't know. 1731 01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:11,500 What do you mean you don't know? 1732 01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:13,000 I don't know! 1733 01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:18,600 How about you? 1734 01:25:21,900 --> 01:25:23,900 Hey listen, listen, listen... I'll tell you something... 1735 01:25:24,700 --> 01:25:26,800 Now, I'm a little sick of this whole thing already, you know? 1736 01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:28,700 I mean, all this yapping is getting us nowhere! 1737 01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:30,800 So, I'm gonna break it up here. 1738 01:25:31,300 --> 01:25:32,800 I'm changing my vote to not guilty! 1739 01:25:32,900 --> 01:25:33,900 You're what? 1740 01:25:34,300 --> 01:25:36,000 You heard me. I... I've had enough! 1741 01:25:36,100 --> 01:25:37,900 What do you mean you've had enough? That's no answer! 1742 01:25:38,300 --> 01:25:40,500 Hey listen, you... You just worry about yourself! 1743 01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:41,600 He's right! 1744 01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:43,400 That is not an answer! 1745 01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:46,500 What kind of man are you? 1746 01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:49,700 You have been sitting here, voting guilty with everyone else, 1747 01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:53,300 because there are a couple of baseball tickets burning a hole in your pocket? 1748 01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:55,900 And now you say you're going to change your vote 1749 01:25:55,900 --> 01:25:58,900 because you've had enough with all the talking? 1750 01:25:59,100 --> 01:26:00,000 Alright, listen buddy... 1751 01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:01,300 You cannot do this! 1752 01:26:02,300 --> 01:26:04,400 You cannot play like this with a man's life! 1753 01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:05,800 What is wrong with you? 1754 01:26:05,900 --> 01:26:08,800 It is a terrible and ugly thing to do! Do you not care? 1755 01:26:08,900 --> 01:26:10,000 Hey, wait a minute! 1756 01:26:10,500 --> 01:26:12,000 You can't talk like that to me! 1757 01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:13,000 I can talk like that to you! 1758 01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:14,400 Now, if you want to vote not guilty, 1759 01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:16,700 then do it because you are convinced that the man is not guilty, 1760 01:26:16,700 --> 01:26:18,100 not because you've had enough. 1761 01:26:18,100 --> 01:26:20,100 If you want to vote guilty, then vote that way. 1762 01:26:20,100 --> 01:26:22,200 Or don't you have the guts to do what you think is right? 1763 01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:23,500 Hey now, listen buddy! 1764 01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:25,400 Guilty or not guilty? 1765 01:26:25,500 --> 01:26:27,000 I told you, not guilty! 1766 01:26:27,100 --> 01:26:27,900 Why? 1767 01:26:27,900 --> 01:26:29,800 God damn you, I don't have to tell you anything! 1768 01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:31,500 Yes, you do! Say it, why? 1769 01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:39,300 Cause I don't think he's guilty... 1770 01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:05,700 Mr. Foreman, I wish to call for another vote. 1771 01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:08,600 Alright gentlemen, 1772 01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:11,000 another vote is called for. 1773 01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:13,300 And the quickest way is to show off hands. 1774 01:27:13,900 --> 01:27:14,900 Anybody object? 1775 01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,200 All those in favour of not guilty raise your hands. 1776 01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:31,200 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7... 8. 1777 01:27:35,900 --> 01:27:36,900 9. 1778 01:27:41,100 --> 01:27:44,000 All those voting guilty, raise your hand. 1779 01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:47,200 1... 2... 1780 01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:53,200 ...3. 1781 01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:57,200 The vote is 9 to 3 in favour of not guilty. 1782 01:27:57,800 --> 01:27:59,200 I don't understand you people! 1783 01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:03,700 I mean, all these little picky points you keep bringing up don't mean nothing! 1784 01:28:03,900 --> 01:28:04,900 They don't mean nothing! 1785 01:28:06,900 --> 01:28:08,300 How can you believe this story? 1786 01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:11,500 You're an intelligent man and you're not gonna tell me 1787 01:28:11,500 --> 01:28:13,600 that you're not, you know the facts of life. 1788 01:28:14,100 --> 01:28:15,400 Just look at what we're dealing with here. 1789 01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:16,600 You know him! 1790 01:28:16,700 --> 01:28:17,900 You know this kid! 1791 01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:22,400 This guy other here, I don't know what the hell is going on with him, 1792 01:28:22,500 --> 01:28:25,700 all that talk about psychiatrists... Maybe he ought to go to one! 1793 01:28:27,500 --> 01:28:29,100 Now look! Let's talk facts. 1794 01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:32,600 These people are born to lie. 1795 01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:36,200 Now, that's the way they are and no intelligent man is gonna tell me otherwise. 1796 01:28:36,300 --> 01:28:38,500 They don't know what the truth is! You take a look at them! 1797 01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:39,600 They're different! 1798 01:28:39,700 --> 01:28:41,400 They think different, they act different 1799 01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:44,000 and they don't need some big excuse to kill somebody either. 1800 01:28:44,100 --> 01:28:45,900 Well, it's true! Everybody knows it. 1801 01:28:46,300 --> 01:28:48,600 Smoking that crack... Nothing but crack he is! 1802 01:28:49,500 --> 01:28:50,900 Look at him, smart guy... 1803 01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:54,900 ...what's that mean, slam the door?... 1804 01:28:55,900 --> 01:28:57,800 Anyway, these people they get all drugged up 1805 01:28:58,600 --> 01:28:59,700 and BANG! 1806 01:28:59,700 --> 01:29:01,700 All of a sudden somebody's lying dead in the gutter... 1807 01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:03,700 Ok, look, nobody's blaming'em for. 1808 01:29:03,700 --> 01:29:06,100 That's just the way they are by nature, you know what I mean? 1809 01:29:06,100 --> 01:29:09,500 They're violent! And human life don't mean as much to them as it does to us. 1810 01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:12,200 Where are you going? 1811 01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:13,800 Where are you going? 1812 01:29:14,100 --> 01:29:15,100 Look, while you're in there, maybe you ought to 1813 01:29:15,100 --> 01:29:17,200 clean out your ears, maybe you can hear then. 1814 01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:19,700 Now look, listen to me now! 1815 01:29:23,700 --> 01:29:27,100 These spics! They stay high on dope and they fight all the time... 1816 01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:30,200 Look, if somebody gets killed, so somebody gets killed, they don't care! 1817 01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:32,800 They breed like animals... 1818 01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:36,800 Ok, sure, there's some good things about them... 1819 01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:38,400 Look, I'm the first guy to tell you that... 1820 01:29:39,100 --> 01:29:40,400 I've known some who were ok... 1821 01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:42,100 ...but that's the exception! 1822 01:29:42,100 --> 01:29:44,000 You know you're a sick man? 1823 01:29:44,300 --> 01:29:46,200 - Sick? - Why don't you sit down? 1824 01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:48,400 You old son of a bitch! Who are you? 1825 01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:50,600 No, who the hell is he to tell me that? 1826 01:29:50,700 --> 01:29:53,500 Sick... Look at him! He can hardly stand up! 1827 01:29:53,700 --> 01:29:56,400 No, I'm speaking my piece here today and you're listening! 1828 01:29:56,500 --> 01:29:58,900 - Maybe you should... - You shut up, you sit down! 1829 01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:01,400 There's not one of them,... not one, that's any good! 1830 01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:02,800 NOT ONE! 1831 01:30:03,300 --> 01:30:04,500 You hear that? 1832 01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:07,500 Sympathetic bastards! 1833 01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:10,800 And you were to wonder you're so god damn smart... 1834 01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:13,500 We're facing a danger, don't you know that? 1835 01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:15,700 These wetbacks are multiplying like rabbits! 1836 01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:17,400 They come over here illegally 1837 01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:19,800 and they're multiplying five times faster than my people! 1838 01:30:20,500 --> 01:30:22,000 That's five times, brothers! 1839 01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:24,400 And they're wild animals! 1840 01:30:24,500 --> 01:30:26,400 They're against us, they hate us! 1841 01:30:26,700 --> 01:30:28,000 They want to destroy us! 1842 01:30:28,500 --> 01:30:31,800 They come over here and they benefit from everything that we've built! 1843 01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:34,300 That's right! Don't look at me like that... 1844 01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:35,500 There's a danger... 1845 01:30:35,900 --> 01:30:38,200 We are living in a dangerous time, brothers! 1846 01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:43,200 If we don't smack them down, if we don't do something, every chance we get, 1847 01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:44,800 then they're gonna own us! 1848 01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:47,100 - They're gonna bring us out of existance... - Shut up! 1849 01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:48,900 ...I'm warning you! You listen to me... 1850 01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:50,800 I'm telling you, this boy... 1851 01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:54,300 ...put this boy on trial, we got him. 1852 01:30:54,700 --> 01:30:55,900 We got him! 1853 01:30:56,100 --> 01:30:57,200 That's one at least! 1854 01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:00,400 I say that we get him, before his kind gets us! 1855 01:31:00,500 --> 01:31:02,300 I don't give a damn about the law! 1856 01:31:02,900 --> 01:31:05,100 Why should I? They don't! 1857 01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:07,600 - Now, I'm telling you... - I've heard enough! 1858 01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:09,900 Won't you just stop all of this! 1859 01:31:09,900 --> 01:31:12,100 Come on, wake up man! We can make a difference here! 1860 01:31:12,100 --> 01:31:13,200 Sit down... 1861 01:31:14,100 --> 01:31:17,500 ...and don't open your filthy mouth again! 1862 01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:44,400 Alright gentlemen. 1863 01:31:45,700 --> 01:31:47,100 Let's finish what we started. 1864 01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:55,800 You have made some excellent points. 1865 01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:58,600 The last one, in which you proved that the boy couldn't have made 1866 01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:02,300 that kind of overhand stab wound was very persuasive. 1867 01:32:02,700 --> 01:32:05,700 But I still believe the boy is guilty for the murder. 1868 01:32:06,300 --> 01:32:07,600 I have two reasons. 1869 01:32:07,700 --> 01:32:11,000 One: The evidence given by the woman across the street, 1870 01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:13,600 who actually saw the murder commited. 1871 01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:15,600 ...and how... As far as I'm concerned 1872 01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:18,000 that's the most important testimony in the whole case! 1873 01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:19,400 Two... 1874 01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:22,800 The fact that the woman described the stabbing by saying 1875 01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:26,300 she saw the boy raise his arm over his head, 1876 01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:28,100 over his head, right up, 1877 01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:32,400 and plunge the knife down into his father's chest. 1878 01:32:32,700 --> 01:32:33,700 She saw him do it! 1879 01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:34,800 The wrong way! 1880 01:32:34,900 --> 01:32:36,400 That's right, that's absolutely right! 1881 01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:39,600 So let's talk about this woman for a minute here... 1882 01:32:40,100 --> 01:32:45,000 She said that she went to bed at about 11 o'clock that night, yes. 1883 01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:47,900 Her bed was next to the window, 1884 01:32:47,900 --> 01:32:50,000 she could look out while lying down and 1885 01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:52,900 see directly into the boy's window across the street. 1886 01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:55,900 She tossed and turned for over an hour, 1887 01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:57,800 unable to fall asleep. Finally... 1888 01:32:58,500 --> 01:33:00,300 ...she turned towards the window, 1889 01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:03,100 at about 10 minutes after 12, 1890 01:33:03,300 --> 01:33:04,900 and as she looked out, 1891 01:33:05,500 --> 01:33:09,500 she saw the killing through the windows of the passing el train. 1892 01:33:10,500 --> 01:33:13,700 She says, the lights went out immediately after the killing, 1893 01:33:13,700 --> 01:33:19,400 but that she got a good look at the boy in the act of stabbing his father. 1894 01:33:19,500 --> 01:33:22,200 You know, as far as I can see, 1895 01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:26,000 this is unshakeable testimony! 1896 01:33:26,100 --> 01:33:27,700 That's what I mean, it's the whole case! 1897 01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:30,600 What do you think? 1898 01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:36,000 What about you? 1899 01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:40,000 Well... 1900 01:33:40,300 --> 01:33:41,700 ...I don't know, it's... 1901 01:33:43,100 --> 01:33:44,600 There's so many things to shift through... 1902 01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:46,200 I... I... This is pretty complicated business... 1903 01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:50,800 Really, I don't see how we can vote for an acquiter? 1904 01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:53,000 Well... 1905 01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:56,700 ...it's just not easy to arrange the evidence in order. 1906 01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:58,700 You can throw out all the other evidence! 1907 01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:01,800 The woman saw him do it! What else do you want? 1908 01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:04,400 Well... maybe... 1909 01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:05,500 Let's vote now. 1910 01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:08,400 Alright gentlemen, another vote is called for. 1911 01:34:09,100 --> 01:34:10,200 Anyone object? 1912 01:34:10,900 --> 01:34:12,800 I'm changing my vote. I think he's guilty... 1913 01:34:15,300 --> 01:34:16,500 Anybody else? 1914 01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:19,800 What makes you consider this one vote a personal triumph? 1915 01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:21,300 I'm the competitive type! 1916 01:34:21,500 --> 01:34:25,100 Here's what I think... I think we're a hung jury, let's take it inside to the judge. 1917 01:34:25,100 --> 01:34:26,100 What? 1918 01:34:26,900 --> 01:34:29,400 - You didn't want a hung jury before... - Well, I do now! 1919 01:34:30,300 --> 01:34:32,000 I... I don't understand that. 1920 01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:33,800 You thought it was immoral. 1921 01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:35,800 I don't anymore... 1922 01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:41,300 People in here are so god damn stubborn! 1923 01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:44,500 We'll never get this done, we'll be here for a week! 1924 01:34:45,100 --> 01:34:46,700 I wanna hear an argument. 1925 01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:48,500 I say we're a hung jury... 1926 01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:49,800 Well, come on! 1927 01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:51,600 You're the leader of the cause, what about it? 1928 01:34:52,100 --> 01:34:53,300 Let's go over it again. 1929 01:34:53,500 --> 01:34:54,800 We went over it again... 1930 01:34:54,900 --> 01:34:56,600 J. Walter Thomson over here 1931 01:34:56,600 --> 01:34:59,700 has been bouncing back and forth like a ping pong ball! 1932 01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:02,200 - Wait a minute... You don't have to call me... - I apologise! 1933 01:35:02,300 --> 01:35:03,500 On my knees! 1934 01:35:03,900 --> 01:35:04,900 Come on... 1935 01:35:05,300 --> 01:35:06,700 Let's get out from under this thing, eh? 1936 01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:07,800 Alright, alright... 1937 01:35:07,900 --> 01:35:11,400 Maybe we can talk about setting some kind of a time limit. 1938 01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:12,900 - What's the time? - Quarter after six. 1939 01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:16,600 Quarter after six... Someone before mentioned seven o'clock. 1940 01:35:16,900 --> 01:35:19,700 I think that's the point at which we might begin to discuss 1941 01:35:19,700 --> 01:35:22,300 the question about whether we are a hung jury, or not. 1942 01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:23,600 - Excuse me! - Yes. 1943 01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:24,700 Don't you feel well? 1944 01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:27,100 Oh, I feel perfectly well, thank you very much. 1945 01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:29,200 I was saying, 7 o'clock would be... 1946 01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:33,600 The reason I asked was that you were rubbing your nose... 1947 01:35:35,100 --> 01:35:36,600 I'm sorry to interrupt... 1948 01:35:36,900 --> 01:35:39,800 ...but you made a gesture, 1949 01:35:39,900 --> 01:35:42,500 that reminded me of one of the witnesses... 1950 01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:44,700 I was trying to say something here, do you mind? 1951 01:35:45,100 --> 01:35:46,900 I think this is important! 1952 01:35:47,100 --> 01:35:49,000 Ok, go ahead, please, go ahead... 1953 01:35:49,100 --> 01:35:50,100 Thank you! 1954 01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:54,200 I hope you'll forgive me for this, but... 1955 01:35:55,300 --> 01:35:56,900 ...I was wondering why... 1956 01:35:57,500 --> 01:36:00,200 ...why were you rubbing your nose like that? 1957 01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:02,300 Come on now, would you please? 1958 01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:03,900 Right now, 1959 01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:06,500 I'm talking to this gentleman here. 1960 01:36:07,300 --> 01:36:08,300 Now... 1961 01:36:08,500 --> 01:36:10,100 Why were you rubbing your nose? 1962 01:36:10,500 --> 01:36:12,200 Well, if it's any of your business, 1963 01:36:12,300 --> 01:36:15,100 I was rubbing it because it bothers me. 1964 01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:18,300 Is it because of your eyeglasses? 1965 01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:22,100 It is, yes, it is, could we get on to something else please? 1966 01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:26,400 Your eyeglasses make those deep impressions on the side of your nose. 1967 01:36:26,700 --> 01:36:27,700 Yes... 1968 01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:30,200 I hadn't noticed that before... 1969 01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:32,700 They must be annoying. 1970 01:36:33,100 --> 01:36:36,100 Oh yes, oh yes, they are... Very, very annoying. 1971 01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:37,400 I wouldn't know about that. 1972 01:36:38,500 --> 01:36:40,300 I've never worn eyeglasses. 1973 01:36:41,800 --> 01:36:42,900 20-20! 1974 01:36:43,200 --> 01:36:45,400 Hey come on with the optometrist bit already! 1975 01:36:47,500 --> 01:36:50,700 The woman who testified that she saw the killing, 1976 01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:55,200 had those same deep marks on the side of her nose. 1977 01:36:55,200 --> 01:36:56,100 Wow! 1978 01:36:56,100 --> 01:36:57,100 Did you see that? 1979 01:36:59,900 --> 01:37:02,300 Please... please... just a minute! 1980 01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:04,300 Please! Just a minute... 1981 01:37:04,900 --> 01:37:06,100 ...and I'll be finished. 1982 01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:10,400 I don't know if any of you noticed that... 1983 01:37:10,900 --> 01:37:12,400 ...I didn't think about it then... 1984 01:37:13,900 --> 01:37:17,500 ...but, I've been going over her face in my mind... 1985 01:37:18,500 --> 01:37:20,500 She had those marks! 1986 01:37:21,300 --> 01:37:22,800 She kept rubbing them in court... 1987 01:37:22,900 --> 01:37:24,500 - He's right! - He's right, she did do that a lot! 1988 01:37:25,500 --> 01:37:26,700 This woman, 1989 01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:30,000 was about 45 years old, 1990 01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:33,900 making a tremendous effort to look 35... 1991 01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:36,000 You know, for her first public appearance... 1992 01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:40,800 Dyed hair, heavy make-up 1993 01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:43,400 and brand new clothes... 1994 01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:47,100 ...which would have been more suitable on a younger woman... 1995 01:37:49,200 --> 01:37:52,200 ...and... no eyeglasses! 1996 01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:55,700 See if you can get a picture a mental picture of her. 1997 01:37:55,900 --> 01:37:58,800 What do you mean no glasses? You don't know if she wear glasses! 1998 01:37:58,900 --> 01:38:00,400 Just because she was rubbing her nose? 1999 01:38:00,500 --> 01:38:02,300 She had those marks. I saw them! 2000 01:38:02,400 --> 01:38:04,100 So what? What do you think that means? 2001 01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:05,900 I saw them too. He's right! 2002 01:38:06,500 --> 01:38:07,800 I was the closest one to her... 2003 01:38:08,100 --> 01:38:09,600 She had those marks! 2004 01:38:09,900 --> 01:38:11,400 What point are you trying to make here? 2005 01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:12,600 She had them! 2006 01:38:12,700 --> 01:38:15,500 That's the point I'm trying to make... she had those marks! 2007 01:38:15,900 --> 01:38:21,600 She had dyed hair and marks on her nose, now I'm asking you, what does that mean? 2008 01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:26,200 Could those marks have been made by anything other than eyeglasses? 2009 01:38:26,500 --> 01:38:27,800 No... no... they couldn't... 2010 01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:29,500 What are you saying? I didn't see any marks! 2011 01:38:30,500 --> 01:38:32,400 I... I did... yes, I did... 2012 01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:35,000 Strange, I... 2013 01:38:35,500 --> 01:38:37,700 ...didn't think about it before, strange... 2014 01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:40,500 What about the lawyer? Why didn't he say anything? 2015 01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:44,200 Look, there's twelve people in here that have been concentrating on this case 2016 01:38:44,300 --> 01:38:45,800 and eleven of us didn't think of it. 2017 01:38:45,900 --> 01:38:47,800 Alright... Clarence Daryl! 2018 01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:50,200 What about the district attorney? 2019 01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:51,900 Do you think he'd try to pull a trick like that, 2020 01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:54,800 letting her testify without her glasses? 2021 01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:56,600 Haven't you ever met a woman who needed glasses 2022 01:38:56,700 --> 01:38:59,200 but didn't want to wear them because she thought they ruined her looks? 2023 01:38:59,300 --> 01:39:00,400 Yeah, my wife! 2024 01:39:00,500 --> 01:39:02,800 I'm telling you, she walks out of the house, she takes off her glasses, 2025 01:39:02,900 --> 01:39:05,900 she puts them in her purse, she walks down the street and starts bumping into shit... 2026 01:39:05,900 --> 01:39:08,100 Maybe the district attorney didn't know either. 2027 01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:10,300 Just what I was gonna say. 2028 01:39:10,500 --> 01:39:11,500 Alright. 2029 01:39:12,100 --> 01:39:15,300 She had marks on her nose, I'm giving you that... 2030 01:39:15,500 --> 01:39:16,800 ...from glasses... 2031 01:39:17,200 --> 01:39:19,100 ...she never wore them out of the house... 2032 01:39:19,300 --> 01:39:22,200 ...so that everybody would think she was gorgeous! 2033 01:39:23,200 --> 01:39:27,300 But when she saw that kid killing his father she was in the house! 2034 01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:28,500 Alone...! 2035 01:39:28,500 --> 01:39:30,000 Do you wear your glasses when you go to bed? 2036 01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:32,600 Noone wears eyeglasses to bed, noone... 2037 01:39:32,700 --> 01:39:35,600 Then it's logical to say that she wasn't wearing hers in bed either. 2038 01:39:35,700 --> 01:39:38,100 - How do you know? - I don't know, I'm just guessing. 2039 01:39:38,200 --> 01:39:40,500 And I'm also guessing that when she glanced out 2040 01:39:40,500 --> 01:39:43,000 the window, she didn't put her glasses on either. 2041 01:39:43,100 --> 01:39:46,700 She herself said that she just looked out the window, the murder took place 2042 01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:49,100 and one split second later the lights went out. 2043 01:39:49,400 --> 01:39:51,400 She wouldn't have had time to put her glasses on then... 2044 01:39:51,400 --> 01:39:52,500 Wait a second! 2045 01:39:52,600 --> 01:39:53,700 And here's another guess. 2046 01:39:53,800 --> 01:39:57,400 Maybe the woman honestly thought she saw the boy kill his father, 2047 01:39:57,700 --> 01:39:59,700 I say, she only saw a blur! 2048 01:39:59,700 --> 01:40:01,100 How do you know what she saw? 2049 01:40:01,200 --> 01:40:02,800 How does he know these things? 2050 01:40:03,300 --> 01:40:05,200 You don't know what kind of glasses she wore! 2051 01:40:05,300 --> 01:40:09,300 Maybe she was farsighted, maybe they were sunglasses... What do you know about it? 2052 01:40:09,300 --> 01:40:12,600 I only know that the woman's eyesight is in question now. 2053 01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:16,700 She had to identify a person 60 feet away, in the dark, without glasses. 2054 01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:19,600 You can't send someone off to die on evidence like that. 2055 01:40:19,700 --> 01:40:20,500 Don't give me that! 2056 01:40:20,500 --> 01:40:23,100 You don't think it's possible that the woman made a mistake? 2057 01:40:23,100 --> 01:40:24,000 No! 2058 01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:25,000 It's not possible... 2059 01:40:25,100 --> 01:40:26,300 No, it's not possible! 2060 01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:29,300 No 12, is it possible? 2061 01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:33,700 Yes... it's possible... 2062 01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:38,200 ...The kid's not guilty! 2063 01:40:39,500 --> 01:40:42,600 No 10, do you think he's guilty? 2064 01:40:44,900 --> 01:40:46,200 Yes, I think he's guilty... 2065 01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:48,000 ...but I couldn't care less. 2066 01:40:48,100 --> 01:40:50,000 You smart bastards... you do whatever you want! 2067 01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:51,600 How do you vote? 2068 01:40:53,500 --> 01:40:55,300 I vote not guilty. 2069 01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:56,900 Do whatever you want... 2070 01:40:58,000 --> 01:40:59,600 You're the worst son of a... 2071 01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:03,200 I think he's guilty! 2072 01:41:03,700 --> 01:41:05,800 Does anyone else think he's guilty? 2073 01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:12,600 No, I'm... I'm convinced... 2074 01:41:13,300 --> 01:41:14,500 What's the matter with you? 2075 01:41:15,200 --> 01:41:18,800 I now have... a reasonable doubt. 2076 01:41:20,500 --> 01:41:22,000 It's eleven to one! 2077 01:41:25,500 --> 01:41:26,700 What about all the other evidence? 2078 01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:29,700 The knife... all that other stuff... the whole business! 2079 01:41:29,900 --> 01:41:32,000 You said we could throw out all the other evidence. 2080 01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:34,300 You're alone. 2081 01:41:38,300 --> 01:41:40,000 I don't care whether I'm alone or not... 2082 01:41:42,500 --> 01:41:45,100 - ... it's my right! - It is your right. 2083 01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:48,000 What do you want? 2084 01:41:50,100 --> 01:41:51,300 I say he's guilty. 2085 01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:54,600 - We want to hear your arguments. - I gave you my arguments. 2086 01:41:55,200 --> 01:41:58,000 But we're not convinced. We want to hear them again. 2087 01:41:58,500 --> 01:42:00,100 We have as much time as it takes. 2088 01:42:06,100 --> 01:42:07,100 Everything... 2089 01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:10,800 ...every single thing that went on in that courtroom... 2090 01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:13,100 but I mean everything... says he's guilty. 2091 01:42:13,100 --> 01:42:15,100 What do you think I am, an idiot or something? 2092 01:42:17,200 --> 01:42:18,200 You... 2093 01:42:18,700 --> 01:42:21,100 ...lousy bunch of bleeding hearts! 2094 01:42:23,400 --> 01:42:25,000 Well, you're not going to intimidate me! 2095 01:42:27,100 --> 01:42:28,300 I am entitled... 2096 01:42:28,900 --> 01:42:30,600 ...to my opinion! 2097 01:42:32,900 --> 01:42:36,500 I can sit in this god damn room for a year! 2098 01:42:42,500 --> 01:42:43,800 Somebody say something... 2099 01:42:46,700 --> 01:42:47,700 Look... 2100 01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:49,900 ...why don't you take all that stuff about... 2101 01:42:50,500 --> 01:42:52,300 ...the old man, the old man who lived there... 2102 01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:55,300 ...who heard everything... 2103 01:42:55,900 --> 01:42:59,000 ...or the knife... What, just because he found one just like it? 2104 01:42:59,100 --> 01:43:00,400 The old man saw him! 2105 01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:02,400 On the stairs! 2106 01:43:02,500 --> 01:43:06,700 What difference does it make how many seconds it took, what is the difference? 2107 01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:12,200 Every... single thing... 2108 01:43:15,700 --> 01:43:17,200 That knife... 2109 01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:20,800 ...falling through a hole in his pocket! 2110 01:43:21,700 --> 01:43:23,400 You can't prove he didn't get to the door! 2111 01:43:23,500 --> 01:43:28,000 Sure, you can hobble around here all you want, but you can't prove it. 2112 01:43:29,100 --> 01:43:30,100 I'm telling you... 2113 01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:36,100 ...every single thing... has been twisted and turned in here! 2114 01:43:38,700 --> 01:43:42,200 That business about the eyeglasses... You don't know whether she wore glasses... 2115 01:43:42,200 --> 01:43:46,100 The woman testified, god d...! In court! 2116 01:43:48,200 --> 01:43:49,400 What do you want? 2117 01:43:49,400 --> 01:43:50,400 That's it! 2118 01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:55,100 This whole... case... 2119 01:44:01,300 --> 01:44:02,800 ...the whole thing about the boy... 2120 01:44:04,600 --> 01:44:05,800 ...yelling out... 2121 01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:10,500 ...the phrase was... 2122 01:44:11,200 --> 01:44:15,000 ..."I am going to kill you"... 2123 01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:20,800 ...and he said it to his own father! 2124 01:44:22,500 --> 01:44:23,800 I don't care... 2125 01:44:24,300 --> 01:44:26,100 ...what kind of a man he was, 2126 01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:28,500 it was his father! 2127 01:44:29,500 --> 01:44:32,700 God damn rotten kid! 2128 01:44:34,700 --> 01:44:38,000 I know what it's like, I know what they can do, I know how they can... 2129 01:44:38,500 --> 01:44:41,500 ...kill you... every day! 2130 01:44:43,700 --> 01:44:45,000 My god... 2131 01:44:45,900 --> 01:44:47,400 ...don't you see? 2132 01:44:50,700 --> 01:44:53,000 Why am I the only one who sees? 2133 01:44:56,200 --> 01:44:57,800 Jesus... 2134 01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:04,500 I can feel the knife going in... 2135 01:45:11,200 --> 01:45:12,800 He's not your boy... 2136 01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:14,900 He's somebody else... 2137 01:45:25,100 --> 01:45:26,600 Let him live. 2138 01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:32,700 Alright... 2139 01:45:37,300 --> 01:45:38,700 Not guilty. 2140 01:46:10,100 --> 01:46:11,800 We've reached a verdict. 2141 01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:14,400 Ok gentlemen, take your seats in the jurybox. 2142 01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:38,800 Excuse me... 2143 01:47:40,100 --> 01:47:41,400 My name's McCardle. 2144 01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:43,500 - What's yours? - Davis. 2145 01:47:44,500 --> 01:47:45,500 Well... 2146 01:47:48,700 --> 01:47:49,900 So long... 2147 01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:55,500 ...Subtitles by TeoBigusDickus... 2148 01:47:56,305 --> 01:48:02,882 Support us and become VIP member to remove all ads from www.OpenSubtitles.org176784

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