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Do it now! 14 00:01:11,291 --> 00:01:12,323 Behind your back! 15 00:01:13,092 --> 00:01:14,091 Just shoot me! 16 00:01:14,093 --> 00:01:16,226 Did you shoot my dog? 17 00:01:16,228 --> 00:01:18,028 Did you shoot my fucking dog? 18 00:01:18,996 --> 00:01:19,836 Oh my God! 19 00:01:27,270 --> 00:01:29,837 What the fuck did you do that for? 20 00:01:30,206 --> 00:01:31,205 If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer, 21 00:01:31,207 --> 00:01:32,640 one will be appointed 22 00:01:32,641 --> 00:01:34,074 to represent you and answer any questions you wish. 23 00:01:34,076 --> 00:01:36,209 You can decide at anytime to exercise these rights, 24 00:01:36,211 --> 00:01:38,544 not to answer any questions or make any statements. 25 00:01:38,546 --> 00:01:41,246 Do you understand? Do you understand? 26 00:01:43,049 --> 00:01:44,882 We'll take that as a yes. 27 00:01:45,217 --> 00:01:45,717 ¶ 28 00:01:53,091 --> 00:01:59,562 We can't live in a society which is both free 29 00:01:59,564 --> 00:02:02,330 and drug-free. You can't have 'em both. 30 00:02:05,101 --> 00:02:11,205 The whole process of moving from one state of mind 31 00:02:11,207 --> 00:02:15,909 being persuaded to another by seeing the truth 32 00:02:15,911 --> 00:02:20,013 is one of actually feeling an identification 33 00:02:20,015 --> 00:02:23,883 that resonates and has a feeling of wholeness 34 00:02:23,885 --> 00:02:29,988 and coherence to it. It makes chaos orderly. 35 00:02:31,191 --> 00:02:35,292 It's the mindset that got us here 36 00:02:35,294 --> 00:02:37,360 and the journey that we've taken. 37 00:02:37,695 --> 00:02:42,163 Fifty years of criminalization. It came out of the whole idea 38 00:02:42,165 --> 00:02:44,198 that we don't have to care for each other anymore. 39 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,835 It's every man for himself. We weren't always like that! 40 00:02:48,837 --> 00:02:50,169 The question is, can we go back 41 00:02:50,171 --> 00:02:52,304 to caring about each other? 42 00:03:04,351 --> 00:03:07,684 What are the nuances that define a culture? 43 00:03:09,020 --> 00:03:11,053 Is it the way we police ourselves? 44 00:03:12,056 --> 00:03:14,056 The way we take care of our sick? 45 00:03:15,358 --> 00:03:16,857 How we govern? 46 00:03:18,293 --> 00:03:20,693 The way we share information? 47 00:03:21,362 --> 00:03:26,030 77 years ago, marijuana became prohibited in the United States. 48 00:03:26,198 --> 00:03:31,300 By 1961, its criminalization reached global status. 49 00:03:32,202 --> 00:03:35,102 Today, we find the topic of marijuana's legality 50 00:03:35,104 --> 00:03:40,039 penetrating all forms of media and every level of politics. 51 00:03:41,208 --> 00:03:43,274 It is now the polarizing topic 52 00:03:43,276 --> 00:03:46,810 in an endless display of public debates. 53 00:03:47,746 --> 00:03:52,214 The goal? To answer the question that refuses to die: 54 00:03:52,216 --> 00:03:55,183 Should marijuana be legalized? 55 00:03:56,719 --> 00:04:01,053 But, ever so slowly, a second question is starting to appear 56 00:04:01,722 --> 00:04:04,122 a question that seeks an answer to whether marijuana 57 00:04:04,124 --> 00:04:07,058 prohibition itself has gained characteristics 58 00:04:07,060 --> 00:04:10,327 that reveal a greater truth about ourselves 59 00:04:10,329 --> 00:04:13,163 and the way our society operates. 60 00:04:14,065 --> 00:04:17,733 Is this a bad idea? Is this a downward spiral of our culture? 61 00:04:17,935 --> 00:04:20,068 A new study reveals that smoking marijuana 62 00:04:20,070 --> 00:04:22,837 could increase your risk for testicular cancer. 63 00:04:23,039 --> 00:04:24,371 So the research doesn't bother you 64 00:04:24,373 --> 00:04:26,940 that smoking pot can cause man boobs? 65 00:04:26,942 --> 00:04:28,741 Pot just makes you dumb. 66 00:04:28,976 --> 00:04:31,977 What's to keep somebody from gettin' all potted-up on weed 67 00:04:31,979 --> 00:04:33,211 and then gittin' behind the wheel? 68 00:04:33,213 --> 00:04:37,448 "Marijuana leads to breast development in males,". 69 00:04:37,450 --> 00:04:41,017 Like all of these myths, front page story! 70 00:04:41,686 --> 00:04:45,487 Those things have been coming along one, after another. 71 00:04:45,822 --> 00:04:50,023 I should be impotent when I smoke marijuana. Well I'm not! 72 00:04:50,358 --> 00:04:53,926 The thought process behind demonizing something like 73 00:04:53,928 --> 00:04:55,928 marijuana is completely out of ignorance. 74 00:04:55,930 --> 00:04:57,396 Where's the bodies? 75 00:04:57,397 --> 00:04:58,863 Where's the numbers? Is there one? 76 00:04:58,866 --> 00:05:01,700 Because I have heard from experts whose judgment 77 00:05:01,702 --> 00:05:03,935 I respect that they don't know of any. 78 00:05:03,937 --> 00:05:06,037 The only way marijuana can kill you is if you 79 00:05:06,039 --> 00:05:09,740 take 25lbs of it and you throw it out of a CIA drug plane 80 00:05:09,742 --> 00:05:11,341 and it hits you in the fuckin' head. 81 00:05:11,343 --> 00:05:12,842 That's how you die from marijuana. 82 00:05:12,844 --> 00:05:14,810 There's that famous 911 call 83 00:05:14,812 --> 00:05:16,912 where those cops stole pot from some kids, 84 00:05:16,914 --> 00:05:18,446 and then turned it into pot brownies, 85 00:05:18,448 --> 00:05:20,331 and then ate the brownies 86 00:05:20,332 --> 00:05:22,772 and freaked the fuck out and called the cops on themselves. 87 00:05:29,490 --> 00:05:31,957 It's beautiful 'cause they thought they were dying, 88 00:05:31,959 --> 00:05:35,226 time is going by really slow, they're fine. 89 00:05:35,228 --> 00:05:39,229 But everyone can agree anti- marijuana ads in this country 90 00:05:39,231 --> 00:05:41,497 have gotten fuckin' ridiculous. 91 00:05:41,966 --> 00:05:44,766 Like a girl will be melted on the couch with no bones 92 00:05:44,768 --> 00:05:47,301 and she's like, 'I smoked pot and now I don't have bones.' 93 00:05:47,303 --> 00:05:51,338 I associated a lot of these people that were smokin' pot 94 00:05:51,340 --> 00:05:54,808 with poorly motivated people who were failures. 95 00:05:54,810 --> 00:05:58,111 I had a prejudiced perception of what marijuana 96 00:05:58,113 --> 00:06:00,213 actually did to a human being. 97 00:06:01,115 --> 00:06:03,748 Among the perceived harms of marijuana, 98 00:06:03,750 --> 00:06:07,051 two seem to arise on a daily basis more than any others. 99 00:06:07,253 --> 00:06:10,120 Two seem to be the main reasons given 100 00:06:10,122 --> 00:06:14,057 for why marijuana must be kept from the public. The first: 101 00:06:14,059 --> 00:06:17,560 There's the famous 'just one spliff and you will go mental.' 102 00:06:27,270 --> 00:06:29,403 The more you mess with cannabis, 103 00:06:29,405 --> 00:06:31,922 the more it can mess with your mind. 104 00:06:31,923 --> 00:06:34,440 My first seven years as a researcher were devoted 105 00:06:34,443 --> 00:06:39,044 to schizophrenia. I can tell you, that is ridiculous. 106 00:06:39,046 --> 00:06:40,345 We looked at the evidence-I think 107 00:06:40,347 --> 00:06:43,381 we must have gone through about 2,000 papers 108 00:06:43,383 --> 00:06:45,916 and it doesn't cause schizophrenia. 109 00:06:45,918 --> 00:06:48,351 Maybe there are some individuals with schizophrenia 110 00:06:48,353 --> 00:06:51,387 in which the illness is brought on perhaps a little earlier 111 00:06:51,389 --> 00:06:53,055 because they smoked cannabis. 112 00:06:53,057 --> 00:06:56,925 There often is what's called a precipitating event. 113 00:06:56,927 --> 00:07:00,261 A precipitating event is something like an important 114 00:07:00,263 --> 00:07:04,398 loss of a person, a severe car accident... 115 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,201 It certainly can be exacerbated by a number of drugs. 116 00:07:08,203 --> 00:07:13,839 A bad alcohol trip can serve as a precipitating event, too. 117 00:07:14,141 --> 00:07:17,208 The fact is schizophrenia has a prevalence 118 00:07:17,210 --> 00:07:21,212 of about 1%... the world around. 119 00:07:21,214 --> 00:07:27,050 Cannabis use... let's start with the 60s, its gone up like that. 120 00:07:27,052 --> 00:07:29,152 So! You've introduced this new thing: 121 00:07:29,154 --> 00:07:30,853 If it's schizophrenogenic 122 00:07:30,855 --> 00:07:34,857 we should see a significant uptick in schizophrenia. 123 00:07:34,859 --> 00:07:37,926 We should see more people with schizophrenia. 124 00:07:37,928 --> 00:07:40,561 Schizophrenia has stayed just like that. 125 00:07:40,563 --> 00:07:44,364 In all of the epidemiologic studies that I'm aware of, 126 00:07:44,366 --> 00:07:46,499 there is no uptick. 127 00:07:46,501 --> 00:07:51,036 So if marijuana causes schizophrenia it was introduced 128 00:07:51,038 --> 00:07:52,537 now we should have more schizophrenia. 129 00:07:52,539 --> 00:07:54,439 We don't see that. 130 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,340 We would certainly see some little rise in that 131 00:07:56,342 --> 00:08:00,244 given the numbers of people who use this. 132 00:08:00,246 --> 00:08:03,046 You really do need to strip this back and address this 133 00:08:03,048 --> 00:08:07,183 from a neutral platform to understand that 134 00:08:07,185 --> 00:08:10,286 anything to do with mental health is such a tenuous issue 135 00:08:10,288 --> 00:08:13,622 built upon different contributing factors 136 00:08:13,624 --> 00:08:16,091 and by applying it all to cannabis 137 00:08:16,093 --> 00:08:17,559 you are possibly doing more harm 138 00:08:17,561 --> 00:08:20,495 because you are negating all these other factors 139 00:08:20,497 --> 00:08:22,997 that certainly play a part. 140 00:08:25,968 --> 00:08:29,736 For a lot of people, the impact of life itself is overwhelming 141 00:08:29,738 --> 00:08:34,640 so they'll seek out something to distract them 142 00:08:34,642 --> 00:08:38,176 whether it's drinkin' cough syrup or takin' naps 143 00:08:38,178 --> 00:08:40,111 or jerking off or gambling. 144 00:08:40,113 --> 00:08:42,046 There's a lot of things that people do 145 00:08:42,048 --> 00:08:46,250 to distract them from the angst of being alive. 146 00:08:46,252 --> 00:08:49,052 It might not be for you, it might make you paranoid; 147 00:08:49,054 --> 00:08:52,221 You might have smoked some bad weed once 148 00:08:52,223 --> 00:08:54,189 and thought you were having a heart attack. 149 00:08:54,191 --> 00:08:56,024 Cannabis is not for everybody. 150 00:08:56,026 --> 00:08:57,625 Nobody should be forced to use it. 151 00:08:57,627 --> 00:09:01,662 There's a lot of reasons why marijuana might not be for you. 152 00:09:01,664 --> 00:09:05,032 But you shouldn't tell me that it's not right for me. 153 00:09:05,534 --> 00:09:07,767 The most frequently-cited perceived harm 154 00:09:07,769 --> 00:09:10,770 associated with marijuana today is addiction. 155 00:09:10,772 --> 00:09:12,538 I mean, you do know it's addictive 156 00:09:12,540 --> 00:09:14,339 highly addictive-right? 157 00:09:14,341 --> 00:09:15,440 Because I believe it's addictive 158 00:09:15,442 --> 00:09:17,442 and it leads to more serious drugs... 159 00:09:18,611 --> 00:09:21,578 But in order to understand addiction in relation to marijuana 160 00:09:21,580 --> 00:09:24,347 one must first have an understanding of the psychology 161 00:09:24,349 --> 00:09:26,382 behind addiction in the first place. 162 00:09:26,384 --> 00:09:29,518 It's interesting to see, or to ask, 'Who becomes addicted?' 163 00:09:29,753 --> 00:09:31,619 People can have sex without being addicted to it, 164 00:09:31,621 --> 00:09:33,454 they can go shopping, but some people 165 00:09:33,456 --> 00:09:36,723 become severely addicted to all these pursuits. 166 00:09:36,725 --> 00:09:39,425 Is a pack of cards addictive? Well, no. 167 00:09:39,427 --> 00:09:41,527 Or yes. Depending on the individual. 168 00:09:41,695 --> 00:09:44,128 So, it's the same process no matter what the addiction is. 169 00:09:44,330 --> 00:09:46,596 The only difference is really is that 170 00:09:46,598 --> 00:09:48,564 the substance addict is getting the dopamine from 171 00:09:48,566 --> 00:09:51,466 an outside substance, where the behaviour addict 172 00:09:51,468 --> 00:09:54,268 is having it triggered from the particular behaviour. 173 00:09:55,371 --> 00:09:58,472 If I speak to a group of 100 people or 1000 people and I ask 174 00:09:58,474 --> 00:10:01,675 how many of you have addiction issues to any substance? 175 00:10:02,177 --> 00:10:03,609 A number of people put their hands up, and I say. 176 00:10:03,611 --> 00:10:06,144 'What did it do for you? Not 'what was bad about it' 177 00:10:06,146 --> 00:10:07,778 we already know that, but what did it do for you? 178 00:10:07,780 --> 00:10:09,646 What was positive in your experience with it? 179 00:10:09,648 --> 00:10:13,783 Well, 'it gave me a sense of peace; It gave me pain relief. 180 00:10:14,385 --> 00:10:15,650 It made me feel more connected... 181 00:10:15,652 --> 00:10:17,184 it made me more confident. 182 00:10:17,186 --> 00:10:19,619 I could speak now and interact with people. 183 00:10:19,821 --> 00:10:22,454 In other words, the addict is just after wanting to be 184 00:10:22,456 --> 00:10:24,689 a normal human being and the real question is, 185 00:10:24,691 --> 00:10:27,291 what keeps them from having those qualities in their lives 186 00:10:27,293 --> 00:10:28,493 and what happened to them? 187 00:10:29,661 --> 00:10:32,061 And so the addiction should be seen, not as the problem 188 00:10:32,063 --> 00:10:34,430 although it is a problem, but it's not the problem. 189 00:10:34,432 --> 00:10:36,632 It's the addict's attempt to solve the problem 190 00:10:36,634 --> 00:10:37,699 in the first place. 191 00:10:37,701 --> 00:10:41,169 The Adverse Childhood Experiences studies 192 00:10:41,171 --> 00:10:42,436 done in California... 193 00:10:42,438 --> 00:10:45,639 looked at conditions such as physical, sexual, 194 00:10:45,641 --> 00:10:47,841 emotional abuse in the child's life 195 00:10:47,843 --> 00:10:51,678 the loss of a parent to death or a rancorous divorce 196 00:10:51,680 --> 00:10:54,180 or a parent being jailed or a mental illness in the parent 197 00:10:54,182 --> 00:10:56,415 or an addiction of the parent, or violence in the family 198 00:10:56,417 --> 00:10:58,583 and for each of these adverse childhood experiences, 199 00:10:58,585 --> 00:11:00,785 the risk of addiction goes up exponentially. 200 00:11:01,220 --> 00:11:04,621 By the time a male child had 6 of these adverse experiences 201 00:11:04,623 --> 00:11:07,724 his risk of having become a substance-dependent 202 00:11:07,726 --> 00:11:10,693 injection-using addict is 4600% greater 203 00:11:10,695 --> 00:11:13,696 than that of a male child with no such experiences. 204 00:11:13,698 --> 00:11:15,698 Why is that? 205 00:11:15,699 --> 00:11:17,699 Its because that trauma shapes their brain in such ways 206 00:11:17,702 --> 00:11:19,501 as to make the addictive substances 207 00:11:19,503 --> 00:11:21,769 more appealing to the individual. 208 00:11:22,138 --> 00:11:24,438 That trauma also gives that person the pain 209 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,641 that they will try to then escape from or soothe 210 00:11:27,643 --> 00:11:29,676 through the addictive behaviors. 211 00:11:30,111 --> 00:11:32,377 It's the social and emotional environment 212 00:11:32,379 --> 00:11:34,612 that shapes the actual biology of the brain 213 00:11:34,780 --> 00:11:36,579 so if you want to understand someone's addiction, 214 00:11:36,581 --> 00:11:39,214 you have to look at what's created pain in their lives. 215 00:11:39,216 --> 00:11:40,882 The person who occasionally has a beer, 216 00:11:40,884 --> 00:11:44,252 occasionally smokes marijuana, 217 00:11:44,254 --> 00:11:46,687 but generally has no negative consequences; 218 00:11:46,689 --> 00:11:48,321 It does not impair their health, 219 00:11:48,323 --> 00:11:49,822 it does not endanger their lives, 220 00:11:49,824 --> 00:11:52,157 it does not impair their personal relationships- 221 00:11:52,159 --> 00:11:53,658 you can't call those people addicts, 222 00:11:53,660 --> 00:11:55,660 and you can't call those behaviors addictive. 223 00:11:55,662 --> 00:11:57,695 So we have to make a real distinction between 224 00:11:57,697 --> 00:12:01,265 the use of substances and the addiction to substances. 225 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,500 Which then leads us to the "War on Drugs:" 226 00:12:03,502 --> 00:12:05,335 basically the War on Drugs is being waged against people 227 00:12:05,337 --> 00:12:07,437 that were abused and traumatized as children 228 00:12:07,439 --> 00:12:09,305 and have mental health problems. 229 00:12:09,307 --> 00:12:11,173 There's enough punishment in there- 230 00:12:11,175 --> 00:12:14,276 in the negative consequences of the addiction 231 00:12:14,278 --> 00:12:17,645 that we don't have to add punishment on to that. 232 00:12:19,815 --> 00:12:22,715 The number of deaths around the world 233 00:12:22,717 --> 00:12:25,851 from cigarette consumption is five-and-a-half million 234 00:12:25,853 --> 00:12:27,819 according to latest estimates. 235 00:12:27,821 --> 00:12:30,855 Annually, cigarettes kill as many people as were killed 236 00:12:30,857 --> 00:12:34,258 in the Germans' anti-Jewish genocidal campaign. 237 00:12:35,294 --> 00:12:38,928 So we have a holocaust annually, owing to cigarettes. 238 00:12:40,731 --> 00:12:43,698 If you smoke more than two packs a day, 239 00:12:43,700 --> 00:12:47,367 the risk for developing lung cancer was twenty-fold. 240 00:12:48,169 --> 00:12:50,469 That's 2000%. 241 00:12:50,737 --> 00:12:53,504 Based on the largest case-controlled study ever done, 242 00:12:53,506 --> 00:12:55,772 there was no evidence that marijuana increased 243 00:12:55,774 --> 00:12:57,607 the risk of lung cancer. 244 00:12:58,343 --> 00:13:01,444 You've gotta have some consistency: There's a million 245 00:13:01,446 --> 00:13:03,846 different drugs that are sanctioned by the society 246 00:13:03,848 --> 00:13:05,848 that don't have that happy ending- 247 00:13:05,850 --> 00:13:07,783 - that you take too much and you're fucked. 248 00:13:07,785 --> 00:13:10,418 I've got a friend whose auntie had to go to rehab for 249 00:13:10,420 --> 00:13:12,520 buying two boxes of Krispy Kremes every day 250 00:13:12,522 --> 00:13:15,322 and eating them in the woods so nobody found her. 251 00:13:15,324 --> 00:13:19,859 Based on that anecdote, let's make Krispy Kremes illegal. 252 00:13:19,861 --> 00:13:22,728 I will fight any man, by the way who suggests that. 253 00:13:22,730 --> 00:13:25,297 It's just like eating a pound of salt and dying. 254 00:13:25,299 --> 00:13:27,899 Yeah, ya didn't use salt right dude. You fucked up with salt. 255 00:13:27,901 --> 00:13:29,667 If you just threw some salt on popcorn 256 00:13:29,669 --> 00:13:32,603 it's actually quite yummy, but what'd you do, you stupid fuck? 257 00:13:32,605 --> 00:13:34,338 You ate a pound of salt and you died. 258 00:13:34,340 --> 00:13:35,906 Doesn't mean we should outlaw salt. 259 00:13:35,908 --> 00:13:38,708 Our society doesn't object to people jumping out of airplanes 260 00:13:38,710 --> 00:13:40,543 at fifteen thousand feet with parachutes. 261 00:13:40,545 --> 00:13:42,745 Occasionally those parachutes break; People die. 262 00:13:42,747 --> 00:13:46,248 Our society doesn't object to people climbing mountains. 263 00:13:46,250 --> 00:13:48,416 Occasionally people fall off mountains and do harm 264 00:13:48,418 --> 00:13:51,452 to themselves, but it's not illegal to climb a mountain. 265 00:13:51,454 --> 00:13:53,654 If I had to compare marijuana to alcohol 266 00:13:53,656 --> 00:13:55,889 from the medical point of view, if I asked the question, 267 00:13:55,891 --> 00:13:59,259 'which of these has more potentially debilitating 268 00:13:59,261 --> 00:14:03,829 and harmful life threatening, health-eroding effects?' 269 00:14:03,831 --> 00:14:05,964 There's no comparison, there's no contest; 270 00:14:05,966 --> 00:14:07,832 Alcohol wins, hands down. 271 00:14:07,834 --> 00:14:11,969 The tune of 50000 plus per year die from alcohol poisoning. 272 00:14:11,971 --> 00:14:16,306 They literally drink themselves zero. 273 00:14:16,308 --> 00:14:20,576 Do we have a war on alcohol and tobacco when alcohol 274 00:14:20,578 --> 00:14:22,377 is the drug that's involved with more murders 275 00:14:22,379 --> 00:14:25,046 than any other drug on planet earth? 276 00:14:25,581 --> 00:14:27,681 How do we view the effect of beer? 277 00:14:35,623 --> 00:14:37,055 Holy shit! 278 00:14:37,323 --> 00:14:38,889 We are so dependent on it. 279 00:14:38,891 --> 00:14:42,525 If you have a social gathering and there isn't booze there, 280 00:14:42,527 --> 00:14:45,060 people lose their minds! 281 00:14:45,362 --> 00:14:46,928 Let's go to the pub 282 00:14:46,930 --> 00:14:48,296 when we talk about commiserating: 283 00:14:48,298 --> 00:14:51,115 Let's go to the pub. 284 00:14:51,116 --> 00:14:53,933 I'm happy let's go to the pub! My dog died let's go to the pub. 285 00:14:54,970 --> 00:14:58,004 It's wines-day Wednesday. Best day of the week! 286 00:14:58,006 --> 00:14:59,405 Great job getting us drunk! 287 00:14:59,407 --> 00:15:00,539 We could all use a stiff drink. 288 00:15:00,541 --> 00:15:01,773 Fantastic! Margarita day. 289 00:15:01,775 --> 00:15:03,808 If you're not gonna drink it, pass it around. 290 00:15:03,810 --> 00:15:05,976 How are you spending New Year's Eve? 291 00:15:06,311 --> 00:15:07,943 I'm gonna get real drunk! 292 00:15:08,545 --> 00:15:10,278 Many years ago, we did a poll in parliament 293 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,546 and we asked them, 'is alcohol a drug?' 294 00:15:12,548 --> 00:15:16,583 And the majority of politicians said alcohol was not a drug. 295 00:15:16,585 --> 00:15:19,786 And they say well, it's not a drug because it's not illegal. 296 00:15:20,288 --> 00:15:23,956 And that gets to this peculiar, dangerous concept 297 00:15:23,958 --> 00:15:26,792 that once something's illegal, it must be dangerous, 298 00:15:27,528 --> 00:15:30,562 and when something's not illegal, it must be safe. 299 00:15:30,564 --> 00:15:32,564 So it's interesting if we look at the whole issue 300 00:15:32,566 --> 00:15:35,600 of illegal drugs in our society you'll find that 301 00:15:35,602 --> 00:15:38,436 when the word 'drug' is used to refer to those substances, 302 00:15:38,438 --> 00:15:40,337 another word is almost always attached to it 303 00:15:40,339 --> 00:15:41,806 and that is, 'abuse.' 304 00:15:42,108 --> 00:15:43,774 "Drug abuse." 305 00:15:43,909 --> 00:15:46,976 What happens is that all illicit drugs get lumped together. 306 00:15:46,978 --> 00:15:50,112 Caffeine is a drug, alcohol is a drug. 307 00:15:50,114 --> 00:15:52,514 Tylenol is a drug, Sudafed is a drug. 308 00:15:52,516 --> 00:15:55,183 Viagra is a drug. People, when they think of drugs, 309 00:15:55,185 --> 00:15:57,151 ...they think only of illicit drugs. 310 00:15:58,187 --> 00:16:03,190 Theres a mass of disinformation and that misinformation 311 00:16:03,192 --> 00:16:05,659 and disinformation confuses the shit out of people 312 00:16:05,661 --> 00:16:07,761 when they're trying to form their version of 313 00:16:07,763 --> 00:16:09,596 what's good and what's bad in the world. 314 00:16:09,598 --> 00:16:12,065 If it's absurd to throw someone in prison for drinking coffee 315 00:16:12,067 --> 00:16:14,667 or for drinking wine, then it's equally absurd and wrong 316 00:16:14,669 --> 00:16:17,202 to throw someone in prison for smoking cannabis. 317 00:16:17,470 --> 00:16:20,637 Nobody has ever overdosed on cannabis. D'you know that? 318 00:16:20,639 --> 00:16:23,072 So what? They can't perform daily functions; 319 00:16:23,074 --> 00:16:25,174 They're going to be on my tax bill! 320 00:16:25,442 --> 00:16:31,946 The idea that one is OK and one isn't just seemed to require 321 00:16:31,948 --> 00:16:34,448 something resembling evidence before 322 00:16:34,450 --> 00:16:37,517 you could make that statement definitively. 323 00:16:37,519 --> 00:16:40,653 One of the things I think is important about marijuana use 324 00:16:40,655 --> 00:16:44,956 or alcohol use or anything is that you're responsible with it 325 00:16:44,958 --> 00:16:47,258 and you could be irresponsible with anything 326 00:16:47,526 --> 00:16:50,159 and you should weigh the risks and the rewards. 327 00:16:50,461 --> 00:16:54,795 There's no moral middle ground. Indifference is not an option. 328 00:16:55,030 --> 00:16:58,131 We want you to help us create an outspoken intolerance 329 00:16:58,133 --> 00:16:59,132 for drug use. 330 00:17:02,704 --> 00:17:06,906 Is the rationale of protecting people from themselves valid? 331 00:17:07,675 --> 00:17:13,044 The only people who are responsible for protecting us 332 00:17:13,046 --> 00:17:15,746 from ourselves are ourselves. 333 00:17:15,748 --> 00:17:19,182 If our society denies us the opportunity to make mistakes, 334 00:17:19,184 --> 00:17:21,484 it's denying us a very fundamental human right 335 00:17:21,486 --> 00:17:24,487 because mistakes are part of the teaching process in this life. 336 00:17:24,489 --> 00:17:28,491 Tell another grown human being ah, ah, ah! Nope! 337 00:17:28,493 --> 00:17:33,161 Nope! Nope! Not allowed that. A grown man! No, not you! 338 00:17:33,163 --> 00:17:37,197 But I'm a grown up; I'm an evolved human being. 339 00:17:37,199 --> 00:17:39,532 No! Just .Put. That. Down! 340 00:17:39,534 --> 00:17:42,568 If there's real harm in a drug and your real objective 341 00:17:42,570 --> 00:17:44,903 is to persuade people that they shouldn't harm themselves 342 00:17:44,905 --> 00:17:47,672 in that way, you don't need laws that send them to prison- 343 00:17:47,674 --> 00:17:50,141 What you need is good infor- mation that they'll believe. 344 00:17:50,143 --> 00:17:53,244 Just disseminate that infor- mation and free independent 345 00:17:53,246 --> 00:17:55,946 sovereign adults will make their own choices about 346 00:17:55,948 --> 00:17:57,814 either to continue with that drug 347 00:17:57,816 --> 00:18:00,616 or not to continue with it, but they have the facts. 348 00:18:00,618 --> 00:18:04,786 If a professional like you cannot answer clearly 349 00:18:04,788 --> 00:18:08,623 that meth is more dangerous than marijuana- 350 00:18:08,625 --> 00:18:14,028 which every kid on the street knows, which every parent knows 351 00:18:14,030 --> 00:18:21,701 if you can't answer that, maybe that's why we're failing 352 00:18:21,703 --> 00:18:25,071 to educate people about the dangers 353 00:18:25,073 --> 00:18:27,139 I don't want kids smoking marijuana. 354 00:18:27,141 --> 00:18:30,025 I agree with the chairman 355 00:18:30,026 --> 00:18:32,910 but if the Deputy Director of the Office of Drug Policy 356 00:18:32,913 --> 00:18:36,714 can't answer that question, how do you expect 357 00:18:36,716 --> 00:18:38,916 high school kids to take you seriously? 358 00:18:38,918 --> 00:18:44,854 I empathize with parents of teenaged kids; They can get lost. 359 00:18:44,856 --> 00:18:48,657 A kid sitting in school stoned-you can't accept 360 00:18:48,659 --> 00:18:51,893 accept a position that says, 'oh, that's fine, no problem.' 361 00:18:51,895 --> 00:18:54,328 Yeah, that's a problem, but the question is 362 00:18:54,330 --> 00:18:57,698 whether it's a criminal problem. The question is 363 00:18:57,700 --> 00:19:00,934 whether it's a 'growing up' kind of a problem. 364 00:19:00,936 --> 00:19:05,071 I want reasons more than 'you need to be afraid of 365 00:19:05,073 --> 00:19:09,141 some cop catching you, and locking you up forever in a prison' 366 00:19:09,143 --> 00:19:12,878 to talk to my children about how they relate 367 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,882 to various temptations in life. 368 00:19:16,884 --> 00:19:20,185 This country is held up as a model around the world 369 00:19:20,187 --> 00:19:24,622 of dealing with cigarette we brought it down. 370 00:19:24,624 --> 00:19:28,791 Why? By educating people. 371 00:19:29,093 --> 00:19:31,210 It doesn't make sense to punish people 372 00:19:31,211 --> 00:19:33,492 if what you're mainly worried about is their welfare. 373 00:19:33,596 --> 00:19:36,263 Name something that gets passed around. 374 00:19:38,267 --> 00:19:39,065 Chris? 375 00:19:39,067 --> 00:19:39,932 A joint! 376 00:19:39,934 --> 00:19:41,033 A joint? 377 00:19:44,304 --> 00:19:46,070 Its the only thing that came to mind... 378 00:19:46,072 --> 00:19:51,174 The moral question of drug use, you can set aside, 379 00:19:51,176 --> 00:19:54,277 because the drug use and the drug abuse is here. 380 00:19:54,279 --> 00:19:58,347 We have a real fundamental enjoyment of 381 00:19:58,349 --> 00:20:01,283 changing the way that this thing operates and, 382 00:20:01,285 --> 00:20:04,352 for as long as that is true, you have demand. 383 00:20:04,354 --> 00:20:06,087 You don't have to be a capitalist, 384 00:20:06,089 --> 00:20:08,289 you don't have to to be economist, 385 00:20:08,291 --> 00:20:09,823 but we all know: 386 00:20:09,825 --> 00:20:13,626 Where there is demand, there is supply. 387 00:20:13,628 --> 00:20:16,395 A plant that's very easy to grow suddenly becomes 388 00:20:16,397 --> 00:20:18,096 something that's worth thousands and thousands 389 00:20:18,098 --> 00:20:19,864 and thousands of dollars a pound 390 00:20:19,866 --> 00:20:21,665 because you're compensating the producers 391 00:20:21,667 --> 00:20:24,234 and the transporters for the risk of going to jail 392 00:20:24,236 --> 00:20:27,070 or being arrested or being shot or other things 393 00:20:27,072 --> 00:20:30,039 that happen to people involved in criminal activity. 394 00:20:30,241 --> 00:20:33,075 And with that profit comes opportunity 395 00:20:34,244 --> 00:20:37,211 sometimes to the most unlikely of people. 396 00:20:38,013 --> 00:20:42,315 I went to Oxford to study nuclear physics 397 00:20:42,317 --> 00:20:47,119 and some post-graduate history and philosophy of science, 398 00:20:47,121 --> 00:20:51,356 but forsook the halls of academia to become a dope smuggler. 399 00:20:53,126 --> 00:20:57,161 Quite early on, I started smuggling cannabis 400 00:20:57,163 --> 00:21:02,732 from Europe to America. In those days, in the very early 70's- 401 00:21:02,734 --> 00:21:06,802 there'd be a markup of about 300%. 402 00:21:06,804 --> 00:21:09,671 British bands were beginning to get very popular 403 00:21:09,673 --> 00:21:11,906 and they were visiting the States with an awful lot 404 00:21:11,908 --> 00:21:17,143 of equipment, so we used to hide hashish in various speakers 405 00:21:17,145 --> 00:21:19,678 and amplifiers et cetera. 406 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:24,215 Pink Floyd, Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Eric Clapton, Genesis. 407 00:21:24,217 --> 00:21:27,818 The bands didn't know; It was just an arrangement 408 00:21:27,820 --> 00:21:29,352 I made with the road managers. 409 00:21:31,089 --> 00:21:35,324 Organizations I was involved with; The Mafia, the Yakuza 410 00:21:35,326 --> 00:21:39,261 the I.R.A. and a few cowboys from the C.I.A., 411 00:21:39,263 --> 00:21:43,865 - but it wasn't under C.I.A. - just a few cowboys 412 00:21:43,867 --> 00:21:47,168 who were doing things behind the rest of the C.I.A's back. 413 00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:52,938 Consignments I did into JFK in New York 414 00:21:52,940 --> 00:21:57,241 the deal was structured 415 00:21:57,243 --> 00:21:59,476 in such a way that one couldn't cheat them 416 00:21:59,478 --> 00:22:02,045 even if one was daft enough to try. 417 00:22:02,847 --> 00:22:05,948 The average load would be about a ton. 418 00:22:05,950 --> 00:22:11,119 I had a huge number of aliases during my smuggling career; 419 00:22:11,121 --> 00:22:16,123 At least 43 aliases, but it was so much easier in those days 420 00:22:16,125 --> 00:22:18,992 to get a false passport. 421 00:22:18,994 --> 00:22:21,728 I remember, on one occasion, applying 422 00:22:21,730 --> 00:22:25,331 to the driving license center for a license 423 00:22:25,333 --> 00:22:29,268 in the name of Elvis Presley of whom I'm a big fan 424 00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:32,304 and they actually issued it because computers 425 00:22:32,306 --> 00:22:37,041 didn't scream in the 50's! Oh, Elvis Presley? Fine! 426 00:22:39,078 --> 00:22:43,880 The biggest shipment ever that I did was 30 tons. 427 00:22:43,882 --> 00:22:50,185 The DEA say it was 50 tons, but I know it was only 30 tons! 428 00:22:50,187 --> 00:22:53,154 The British had more or less no you can't catch him. 429 00:22:53,156 --> 00:22:56,557 The Spanish had given up, no, you can't catch him... 430 00:22:57,059 --> 00:23:01,026 Americans said, oh, we'll catch him - and they were right! 431 00:23:01,962 --> 00:23:06,330 It was a combined effort of 14 different countries' 432 00:23:06,332 --> 00:23:09,899 law enforcement spearheaded by the DEA actually. 433 00:23:11,369 --> 00:23:15,804 Cannabis was the only drug I smuggled. 434 00:23:15,806 --> 00:23:17,438 I think largely because I wasn't really tempted 435 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,308 to do anything else; The demand for cannabis wasn't met. 436 00:23:21,310 --> 00:23:23,276 If cannabis had been legal, I would have 437 00:23:23,278 --> 00:23:26,912 carried on being an academic of some sort. 438 00:23:27,047 --> 00:23:31,282 I do miss smuggling; You could never get that thrill 439 00:23:31,284 --> 00:23:35,986 that I had from crossing borders from writing! You can't... 440 00:23:35,988 --> 00:23:37,921 I suppose if I thought I could get away with it, 441 00:23:37,923 --> 00:23:41,057 I'd crank it up today and go back to doing it! 442 00:23:41,059 --> 00:23:43,159 I mean I loved it. 443 00:23:49,065 --> 00:23:51,365 It's interesting when you look at the amount of money 444 00:23:51,367 --> 00:23:53,200 that these drugs are generating. 445 00:23:53,202 --> 00:23:56,903 Where does that money go? And who's handling it? 446 00:23:56,905 --> 00:23:59,071 With the vast amounts of money to be made, 447 00:23:59,073 --> 00:24:00,972 the potential for a dark side 448 00:24:00,974 --> 00:24:03,107 of the underground market begins to grow. 449 00:24:03,342 --> 00:24:05,976 With enough time and enough money, 450 00:24:05,978 --> 00:24:08,311 it can rise to inconceivable levels, 451 00:24:08,313 --> 00:24:12,248 and often, right under our nose. 452 00:24:12,250 --> 00:24:14,950 What the drug war has done to Mexico is horrific. 453 00:24:14,952 --> 00:24:18,019 The death toll alone in the Mexican drug war 454 00:24:18,021 --> 00:24:19,653 under the Calderon administration: 455 00:24:19,655 --> 00:24:23,323 It's more than the number of Americans that were lost in Vietnam. 456 00:24:23,525 --> 00:24:29,195 Now we're up to 70,000 dead. Seventy thousand! 457 00:24:29,564 --> 00:24:31,430 The bloodshed follows a mass killing 458 00:24:31,432 --> 00:24:34,366 in the Mexican border city of Nuevo Laredo last week 459 00:24:34,368 --> 00:24:36,701 where nine bodies were left for the public to see 460 00:24:36,703 --> 00:24:40,171 and fourteen other bodies were found mutilated. 461 00:24:40,306 --> 00:24:42,472 And this is happening on our Southern border 462 00:24:42,474 --> 00:24:45,575 and yet very little attention is paid to it. 463 00:24:45,577 --> 00:24:48,477 It is the United States that sends the guns 464 00:24:48,479 --> 00:24:50,378 across the borders to Mexico 465 00:24:50,380 --> 00:24:53,547 it is the United States that, then in return for the guns 466 00:24:53,549 --> 00:24:55,448 imports the drugs. 467 00:24:55,450 --> 00:25:00,319 A lot of people think that those seventy thousand dead 468 00:25:00,321 --> 00:25:04,122 are all gangsters shootin' it out with each other. 469 00:25:04,124 --> 00:25:07,191 Not true. They're police officers, they're children 470 00:25:07,193 --> 00:25:10,694 they're families, they're mothers and fathers. 471 00:25:10,696 --> 00:25:13,430 You're raising your kids with an education 472 00:25:13,432 --> 00:25:15,565 and your kids go off to a nightclub some night 473 00:25:15,567 --> 00:25:17,300 and they never come home. Why? 474 00:25:17,302 --> 00:25:21,170 Because kids have been kidnapped at random and mutilated. 475 00:25:21,172 --> 00:25:23,038 Beyond the horrific death toll, and the 476 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,407 horrific acts of violence, and decapitations 477 00:25:25,409 --> 00:25:28,042 and bodies hanging from bridges, the drug war has really 478 00:25:28,044 --> 00:25:32,312 led to a deterioration in the infrastructures of society 479 00:25:32,314 --> 00:25:35,048 which means that virtually every municipal police force 480 00:25:35,050 --> 00:25:38,084 in much of Mexico is corrupted by one cartel or another. 481 00:25:38,086 --> 00:25:39,319 What does that mean? That means 482 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:40,553 if you're a lower-middle class Mexican and 483 00:25:40,555 --> 00:25:42,388 your house gets broken into, who do you call? 484 00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:45,524 You have nobody to go to, and if you do call the police, 485 00:25:45,526 --> 00:25:48,026 they're just as likely to tell the cartel 486 00:25:48,028 --> 00:25:50,628 hey this person's ratting on you as they are to help you 487 00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:52,563 and take a report, and bring somebody to jail. 488 00:25:52,565 --> 00:25:54,531 So, if you murder somebody in Mexico, you have less than 489 00:25:54,533 --> 00:25:57,267 a 5% chance of ever spending a day in jail for that 490 00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:59,569 and that is almost entirely a product of 491 00:25:59,571 --> 00:26:02,705 what the drug war has done to law enforcement, 492 00:26:02,707 --> 00:26:06,275 the judiciary and the corrections systems in Mexico. 493 00:26:06,277 --> 00:26:10,245 The last thing a Mexican drug- trafficking cartel would want 494 00:26:10,247 --> 00:26:13,114 would be for drugs to be legalized in the United States 495 00:26:13,116 --> 00:26:16,450 because that would take away their primary source of income. 496 00:26:16,452 --> 00:26:17,684 How do you kill a cartel 497 00:26:17,686 --> 00:26:19,719 and a street gang organization in drugs? 498 00:26:19,721 --> 00:26:22,388 You take their source of nutrition away. 499 00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:24,156 Their source of nutrition is - 500 00:26:24,158 --> 00:26:26,758 money; Drug money. You dry 'em up. 501 00:26:35,701 --> 00:26:37,600 The idea that you're gonna somehow or another be able to 502 00:26:37,602 --> 00:26:39,568 be able to make marijuana illegal and it's not going to 503 00:26:39,570 --> 00:26:41,403 have some of impact on organized crime 504 00:26:41,405 --> 00:26:44,572 is so fuckin' dumb it's childish! 505 00:26:44,574 --> 00:26:46,473 This prohibition allows them to flourish 506 00:26:46,475 --> 00:26:48,208 I mean it did with alcohol. 507 00:26:48,210 --> 00:26:51,444 When prohibition was going on and the mafia and Al Capone 508 00:26:51,446 --> 00:26:53,646 and all them motherfuckers was in control, 509 00:26:53,648 --> 00:26:55,648 they ran that shit! 510 00:26:55,650 --> 00:26:58,317 The American people soon came to understand 511 00:26:58,319 --> 00:27:02,320 that prohibition of alcohol brought greater harm 512 00:27:02,322 --> 00:27:04,689 than the abuse of alcohol. 513 00:27:04,691 --> 00:27:06,824 Declaring prohibition on the marijuana laws 514 00:27:06,826 --> 00:27:08,725 makes everything more dangerous 515 00:27:08,727 --> 00:27:14,129 370 billion dollars a year go into the underworld's pockets 516 00:27:14,131 --> 00:27:18,365 and bad people with that kind of money can do horrendous things... 517 00:27:19,668 --> 00:27:21,734 If marijuana prohibition isn't achieving 518 00:27:21,736 --> 00:27:23,535 the goals we think it should, 519 00:27:24,170 --> 00:27:27,237 what has caused it to be pursued the way it has? 520 00:27:27,239 --> 00:27:30,306 What are the elements that keep it propped up... 521 00:27:30,308 --> 00:27:32,374 and where did it all start? 522 00:27:33,410 --> 00:27:36,077 While most fingers might point to the year 1937 523 00:27:36,079 --> 00:27:39,747 when marijuana was first outlawed by a tax stamp required for hemp, 524 00:27:39,749 --> 00:27:43,584 let's fast-forward 34 years to 1971. 525 00:27:43,586 --> 00:27:46,286 That was the year the public first heard this: 526 00:27:46,288 --> 00:27:48,821 Ladies and gentlemen, I would like to summarize for you 527 00:27:48,823 --> 00:27:52,424 the meeting that I have just had with bipartisan leaders. 528 00:27:52,426 --> 00:27:56,827 America's public enemy number one, in the United States, 529 00:27:56,829 --> 00:27:58,395 is drug abuse. 530 00:27:59,798 --> 00:28:03,199 Attorney General Kliendienst for Nixon was quoted thereafter 531 00:28:03,201 --> 00:28:05,701 and he was sorrowful that he had been involved in this. 532 00:28:05,703 --> 00:28:07,869 He said that they knew- 533 00:28:07,871 --> 00:28:09,804 in the Nixon administration- 534 00:28:09,806 --> 00:28:13,607 that drug treatment works and incarceration does not, 535 00:28:13,609 --> 00:28:17,811 but the enormous political benefit by declaring 536 00:28:17,813 --> 00:28:20,446 a war on drugs, that can't really fight back. 537 00:28:20,448 --> 00:28:23,482 He said they chose the incarceration route 538 00:28:23,484 --> 00:28:27,219 for political reasons and then were absolutely overwhelmed at 539 00:28:27,221 --> 00:28:31,489 positive political benefits they received for doing that. 540 00:28:31,491 --> 00:28:33,424 There's actual documentation that shows 541 00:28:33,426 --> 00:28:37,161 the United States government under Nixon was actively writing 542 00:28:37,163 --> 00:28:40,831 to universities and saying 'pull your information of cannabis, 543 00:28:40,833 --> 00:28:43,400 hemp and marijuana out of your libraries.' 544 00:28:43,802 --> 00:28:45,334 purge it. 545 00:28:46,437 --> 00:28:51,272 So it took them from 1972, '71... '72, to the late 1970's 546 00:28:51,274 --> 00:28:54,675 to create this myth that marijuana would 547 00:28:54,677 --> 00:28:57,444 lead to using harder substances. 548 00:28:57,446 --> 00:28:59,412 Once that myth was established 549 00:29:00,581 --> 00:29:02,180 then the numbers exploded 550 00:29:02,182 --> 00:29:05,449 and you could go to Congress and get money. 551 00:29:05,451 --> 00:29:08,552 I am glad that, in this administration we have increased 552 00:29:08,554 --> 00:29:11,454 the amount of money for handling the problem 553 00:29:11,456 --> 00:29:14,190 of dangerous drugs seven-fold. 554 00:29:14,192 --> 00:29:16,892 It will be 600 million dollars this year. 555 00:29:16,894 --> 00:29:20,562 This is one area where we cannot have budget cuts 556 00:29:20,564 --> 00:29:24,198 because we must wage what I have called total war 557 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,668 against public enemy number one in the United States: 558 00:29:27,670 --> 00:29:29,903 The problem of dangerous drugs. 559 00:29:29,905 --> 00:29:34,440 Most law enforcement agencies, before the 1970s, 560 00:29:34,442 --> 00:29:37,176 had very small narcotic units because 561 00:29:37,178 --> 00:29:39,311 narcotics wasn't seen as a big problem. 562 00:29:39,313 --> 00:29:44,816 By the end of the decade, the narcotic units had exploded; 563 00:29:44,818 --> 00:29:46,751 Federal money came in... 564 00:29:47,587 --> 00:29:50,220 and then... Ronald Reagan came. 565 00:29:50,655 --> 00:29:54,323 Tonight I can report to you that we've made much progress. 566 00:29:54,325 --> 00:29:56,958 37 federal agencies are working together 567 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,227 in a vigorous national effort and, by next year, 568 00:30:00,229 --> 00:30:03,230 our spending for drug law enforcement will have 569 00:30:03,232 --> 00:30:05,865 more than tripled from it's 1981 levels. 570 00:30:05,867 --> 00:30:09,568 Whenever we hear the word 'war' on anything, 571 00:30:09,570 --> 00:30:11,570 I think it should alert our antenna 572 00:30:11,572 --> 00:30:14,706 that a mind-management game is going on. 573 00:30:14,708 --> 00:30:17,375 What is meant by the war on drugs? That's a very good question. 574 00:30:17,377 --> 00:30:19,710 How can you have a war on a noun? It's a bit like... 575 00:30:19,712 --> 00:30:23,447 again, the war on terror: It's a war on a concept. 576 00:30:23,449 --> 00:30:28,451 We humans are very motivated by war. 577 00:30:28,453 --> 00:30:30,686 We are extremely motivated by 578 00:30:30,688 --> 00:30:33,655 a metaphor of violent confrontation. 579 00:30:33,657 --> 00:30:36,958 It goes all the way back to the very first foremothers of 580 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,962 bacteria 3.85 billion years ago. 581 00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:45,431 Bacteria are incredibly social - they live in armies- 582 00:30:45,433 --> 00:30:49,001 they live in armies of seven trillion and they are 583 00:30:49,003 --> 00:30:51,370 constantly communicating with each other, 584 00:30:51,372 --> 00:30:53,372 they are constantly exchanging data; 585 00:30:53,374 --> 00:30:55,574 It's a little information processing network, 586 00:30:55,576 --> 00:30:57,375 but what happens... 587 00:30:57,377 --> 00:31:00,478 when two, three, four or seven colonies 588 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,447 of bacteria discover all the same food source? 589 00:31:03,449 --> 00:31:05,982 They make "war." 590 00:31:05,984 --> 00:31:09,552 What motivates ants? They go about doing their daily business 591 00:31:09,554 --> 00:31:12,588 all of the time, but when an alarm pheromone hits 592 00:31:12,590 --> 00:31:16,391 that indicates there's been an invasion from outside the colony 593 00:31:16,393 --> 00:31:17,658 wham-o! 594 00:31:17,660 --> 00:31:20,293 Everybody drops what they're doing; 595 00:31:20,295 --> 00:31:23,829 Everybody rushes to the site of the breach where the odor 596 00:31:23,831 --> 00:31:25,997 is coming from. 597 00:31:25,999 --> 00:31:28,566 I mean, we humans, we're the children of bacteria; 598 00:31:28,568 --> 00:31:31,035 We humans, we're the cousins of ants: 599 00:31:31,037 --> 00:31:34,538 Just tell us there's an outsider at the gates! 600 00:31:34,540 --> 00:31:37,874 You use the metaphor of war for just about anything 601 00:31:37,876 --> 00:31:41,910 and it gets us roused, but especially use it about 602 00:31:41,912 --> 00:31:44,579 our group versus another group, 603 00:31:44,581 --> 00:31:48,549 our subculture versus another subculture, 604 00:31:48,551 --> 00:31:51,451 and you can really get us going. 605 00:31:51,453 --> 00:31:53,553 It's clear in neurolinguistic programming. 606 00:31:53,555 --> 00:31:56,322 Because if you associate war, you associate it 607 00:31:56,324 --> 00:31:59,892 with a nation having to pull together to fight a baddy out there. 608 00:31:59,894 --> 00:32:02,828 Now, some folks'll tell you that I'm dealing in poison, 609 00:32:02,830 --> 00:32:04,963 but hey, do I look like the kinda guy 610 00:32:04,965 --> 00:32:08,466 that would do that do a kid like you? Yes! 611 00:32:08,801 --> 00:32:12,435 It's a rhetorical frame in which the sacrifice of 612 00:32:12,437 --> 00:32:17,940 individual "liberty" seems... necessary. 613 00:32:17,942 --> 00:32:20,108 This is what's needed to win the war. 614 00:32:20,443 --> 00:32:24,445 Last year alone, over 10,000 drug criminals were convicted 615 00:32:24,447 --> 00:32:29,082 and nearly 250 million dollars of their assets were seized 616 00:32:29,084 --> 00:32:33,352 by the DEA-The Drug Enforcement Administration. 617 00:32:33,354 --> 00:32:35,320 These are a measure of our commitment 618 00:32:35,322 --> 00:32:38,823 and emerging signs that we can defeat this enemy. 619 00:32:38,825 --> 00:32:40,758 The astounding thing about the War on Drugs, is 620 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:45,962 how long it's gone on and how little progress has been made. 621 00:32:45,964 --> 00:32:48,532 When I was working for MI-5, I had my first, sort of... 622 00:32:48,534 --> 00:32:50,133 inkling that all was not good 623 00:32:50,135 --> 00:32:54,103 because I was working on the Irish terrorist logistics desk 624 00:32:54,105 --> 00:32:55,904 which is the movement of people and weapons 625 00:32:55,906 --> 00:32:58,072 into and out of the UK-and, of course, doing that, 626 00:32:58,074 --> 00:33:01,508 I had to work very closely with customs, which is there 627 00:33:01,510 --> 00:33:03,727 to try and stop the drugs coming into the UK. 628 00:33:03,728 --> 00:33:05,945 They just, knew it was like looking for the needle in a haystack 629 00:33:05,947 --> 00:33:08,914 just to try and stop these drugs flooding into the UK. 630 00:33:09,216 --> 00:33:13,785 I had record-breaking arrests, record-breaking interdiction 631 00:33:13,787 --> 00:33:19,489 of supply, but it didn't make one iota of difference. 632 00:33:19,491 --> 00:33:21,924 You don't see us knocking off the big guys 633 00:33:21,926 --> 00:33:25,093 so often that, you know, there's scarcity of drugs. 634 00:33:25,095 --> 00:33:26,194 When was the last time you couldn't 635 00:33:26,196 --> 00:33:28,529 cop marijuana in this country? I mean, 636 00:33:28,531 --> 00:33:31,965 there's no marijuana out there! 637 00:33:31,967 --> 00:33:34,067 Oh my God, what am I gonna do? 638 00:33:34,069 --> 00:33:36,069 I don't think you could go into any high school in 639 00:33:36,071 --> 00:33:38,671 the country, I don't think you could go into any small town 640 00:33:38,673 --> 00:33:40,639 in this country, I don't think you could go into any prison 641 00:33:40,641 --> 00:33:42,173 in this country and not find marijuana 642 00:33:42,175 --> 00:33:44,042 if you were looking for it. 643 00:33:44,043 --> 00:33:45,910 So the argument that marijuana prohibition has had 644 00:33:45,912 --> 00:33:48,946 any impact on the availability on the drug, I think, 645 00:33:48,948 --> 00:33:50,180 really doesn't hold water. 646 00:33:50,182 --> 00:33:56,085 What we see are a regular meal of arrests 647 00:33:56,087 --> 00:34:02,591 and how many bales of this or kilos of that. 648 00:34:02,593 --> 00:34:05,126 The show-and-tell is the glamorous side of it 649 00:34:05,128 --> 00:34:09,230 all of this pot found inside one semi-truck. 650 00:34:09,232 --> 00:34:12,533 20000 lbs. Worth. Border patrol calling it 651 00:34:12,535 --> 00:34:15,269 the biggest bust in our state's history. 652 00:34:15,271 --> 00:34:20,940 You wheel out your 60, 70, 80 kilos of marijuana, 653 00:34:20,942 --> 00:34:24,543 your two assault rifles. The thing of it is, 654 00:34:24,545 --> 00:34:27,679 if you took the average show-and-tell... 655 00:34:27,681 --> 00:34:29,213 from the average arrest... 656 00:34:29,215 --> 00:34:32,115 you'd have some little kid- I mean he might 657 00:34:32,117 --> 00:34:34,984 be 15, 17, 18, 20 years old- 658 00:34:34,986 --> 00:34:37,152 and you would proudly display... 659 00:34:37,621 --> 00:34:40,188 a small bag of marijuana on your table 660 00:34:40,190 --> 00:34:43,691 and say, we got him! We got him. 661 00:34:43,693 --> 00:34:47,861 Came from Ontario, Oregon into Idaho with some mushrooms 662 00:34:47,863 --> 00:34:50,597 and some weed, and I got caught with an exhaust so 663 00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:52,665 he pulled me over, he put his head in the window 664 00:34:52,667 --> 00:34:54,933 and said he smelled it, so I just 665 00:34:54,935 --> 00:34:57,302 handed it to him just to get it over with. 666 00:34:57,304 --> 00:34:58,770 It's such a joke to say 667 00:34:58,772 --> 00:35:01,105 that they're going after hardcore criminals. 668 00:35:01,107 --> 00:35:05,008 About one-and-a-half million arrests on drug-related offenses 669 00:35:05,010 --> 00:35:09,812 in the year 2011-about 50% were for marijuana use. 670 00:35:09,814 --> 00:35:12,080 It's practically legal! I get that all the time... 671 00:35:12,082 --> 00:35:13,648 especially here in California 672 00:35:13,650 --> 00:35:16,250 and what I say to those people is, 673 00:35:16,252 --> 00:35:19,686 'it's absolutely NOT practically legal.' 674 00:35:19,688 --> 00:35:22,855 It's very, very federally illegal. 675 00:35:22,857 --> 00:35:25,891 It's just an ongoing story that at this point really 676 00:35:25,893 --> 00:35:29,761 it seems little more than the premise for television shows. 677 00:35:29,763 --> 00:35:34,098 Dangerous, deadly, illegal. 678 00:35:34,100 --> 00:35:36,800 Tonight, the county's top cop says 679 00:35:36,802 --> 00:35:41,070 much of this stuff was being made in the back of that plaza. 680 00:35:41,072 --> 00:35:42,938 They got away with it for a little bit, 681 00:35:42,940 --> 00:35:44,490 but at the end of the day, 682 00:35:44,491 --> 00:35:46,772 they're not going to get away with it for very long. 683 00:35:49,946 --> 00:35:51,845 There's another aspect to this game: 684 00:35:51,847 --> 00:35:54,314 That is the economic side of it. 685 00:35:54,316 --> 00:35:58,250 There's a deal between the feds and the state 686 00:35:58,252 --> 00:36:00,619 and that's asset seizures. 687 00:36:00,621 --> 00:36:04,322 They call it an "equitable sharing program" where 688 00:36:04,324 --> 00:36:08,625 they encourage local law enforcement to seize items 689 00:36:08,627 --> 00:36:11,861 that maybe involved in criminal activity. 690 00:36:11,863 --> 00:36:13,762 They do an 80/20 split. 691 00:36:13,964 --> 00:36:16,030 Without even getting a conviction and then they 692 00:36:16,032 --> 00:36:18,799 keep the bulk of the money or the assets seized. 693 00:36:18,801 --> 00:36:20,801 Maybe ya just wanna see the kind of stuff 694 00:36:20,803 --> 00:36:22,836 the government seizes from criminals. 695 00:36:22,838 --> 00:36:24,604 Right now you can actually check out a number of 696 00:36:24,606 --> 00:36:26,639 forfeited vehicles going up for auction tomorrow 697 00:36:26,641 --> 00:36:28,173 at the Apple Towing in Guadalupe. 698 00:36:28,175 --> 00:36:30,909 These are awesome cars! This one caught my eye of course 699 00:36:30,911 --> 00:36:34,879 first it's a 1968 Chevy Camaro... 700 00:36:35,815 --> 00:36:39,283 I'll lock him up. 701 00:36:39,285 --> 00:36:41,685 I'll seize his car. I'll hit a house, 702 00:36:41,687 --> 00:36:44,220 I'll seize bank accounts, I'll seize land - 703 00:36:44,222 --> 00:36:47,289 all because I'm producing for the state. 704 00:36:47,291 --> 00:36:50,859 There's an incentive for the state to say, 'do it, ' 705 00:36:50,861 --> 00:36:55,196 but the law is such that the onus to get back your property 706 00:36:55,198 --> 00:36:58,199 is on you! Not on the police department; 707 00:36:58,201 --> 00:37:00,768 You have to fight to get back something 708 00:37:00,770 --> 00:37:02,636 through the court system- 709 00:37:02,638 --> 00:37:04,037 that they took away 710 00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:06,973 that they had no right taking in the first place. 711 00:37:08,009 --> 00:37:12,710 Between 1989 and 2010, an estimated 12.6 billion dollars 712 00:37:12,712 --> 00:37:15,946 was seized by U.S. attorneys in asset forfeiture cases. 713 00:37:15,948 --> 00:37:17,914 The growth rate of seizures during that time 714 00:37:17,916 --> 00:37:22,217 was nearly a 20% increase every single year. 715 00:37:22,219 --> 00:37:24,352 In the country where I grew up- America-where, you know 716 00:37:24,354 --> 00:37:26,070 everybody is so proud of having guns 717 00:37:26,071 --> 00:37:27,787 and proud of their freedom. 'No, I'm not afraid!' 718 00:37:27,790 --> 00:37:29,790 Really? Go plant some cannabis in your front yard 719 00:37:29,792 --> 00:37:31,391 and tell me how fast it takes for the man to come 720 00:37:31,393 --> 00:37:34,360 and take everything you own! 721 00:37:34,361 --> 00:37:37,328 Every year the DEA tells you how many seizures they've made 722 00:37:37,331 --> 00:37:40,265 is That we have failed again. 723 00:37:40,267 --> 00:37:42,300 What's your budget? 724 00:37:42,902 --> 00:37:45,035 Well, currently... um. 725 00:37:45,037 --> 00:37:46,236 Approximately... 726 00:37:46,238 --> 00:37:47,804 Uh, two million... 727 00:37:47,806 --> 00:37:49,138 Two million? 728 00:37:49,140 --> 00:37:51,707 Two-I'm sorry- two billion dollars... 729 00:37:51,709 --> 00:37:53,409 Yeah... 730 00:37:53,410 --> 00:37:55,110 You can look into any federal agency you want to... 731 00:37:55,112 --> 00:37:57,045 literally in their budget you will see 732 00:37:57,047 --> 00:37:59,313 the extra tens of millions of dollars are earmarked 733 00:37:59,315 --> 00:38:01,782 expressly to fight "the war on drugs." 734 00:38:02,384 --> 00:38:05,418 When you get to the top of both towers, 735 00:38:05,420 --> 00:38:08,320 the interests are the same. 736 00:38:08,322 --> 00:38:12,457 The major drug dealer wants to continue selling drugs... 737 00:38:12,459 --> 00:38:15,226 law enforcement wants to continue trying to prosecute 738 00:38:15,228 --> 00:38:18,462 people who are using the drugs and there's a harmony there. 739 00:38:18,464 --> 00:38:22,232 If you've ever seen the film of the head of the DEA- 740 00:38:22,234 --> 00:38:25,435 Lionhart I believe is her name-when they asked her 741 00:38:25,437 --> 00:38:27,970 is marijuana worse than heroin? And she sat there 742 00:38:27,972 --> 00:38:30,305 and stuttered around; She wouldn't answer the question. 743 00:38:30,307 --> 00:38:38,307 Uh, is crack worse for a person than marijuana? 744 00:38:38,815 --> 00:38:42,483 I believe all illegal drugs are bad. 745 00:38:42,485 --> 00:38:45,952 Is methamphetamine worse for somebody's health 746 00:38:45,954 --> 00:38:48,454 than marijuana? 747 00:38:48,456 --> 00:38:50,088 I don't think any illegal drug... 748 00:38:50,090 --> 00:38:55,993 Is heroin worse for someone's health than marijuana? 749 00:38:55,995 --> 00:38:57,945 Again... 750 00:38:57,946 --> 00:38:59,896 I mean, either yes, no, or I don't know! 751 00:38:59,898 --> 00:39:01,931 I mean, if you don't know, you can look this up; 752 00:39:01,933 --> 00:39:03,465 You should know this as the chief administrator 753 00:39:03,467 --> 00:39:05,100 for the Drug Enforcement Agency 754 00:39:05,101 --> 00:39:06,734 I'm asking you a very straightforward question. 755 00:39:06,736 --> 00:39:08,302 She couldn't answer the question because 756 00:39:08,304 --> 00:39:13,106 she's a dyed-in-the-wool prohibitionist and her industry 757 00:39:13,108 --> 00:39:16,809 her life, is dependent upon us 758 00:39:16,811 --> 00:39:21,813 continuing to put 43 million people in jail. 759 00:39:21,815 --> 00:39:24,916 About 85% of everybody in our country that 760 00:39:24,918 --> 00:39:27,818 uses any form of illicit substance whatsoever 761 00:39:27,820 --> 00:39:31,221 uses only marijuana and so if you were to remove 762 00:39:31,223 --> 00:39:33,389 those people from the criminal justice system 763 00:39:33,391 --> 00:39:36,191 the sheer number of everyone else in the country 764 00:39:36,193 --> 00:39:39,460 using every other illegal drug combined would not justify 765 00:39:39,462 --> 00:39:43,964 this colossal bureaucracy we have to fight the war on drugs. 766 00:39:44,266 --> 00:39:48,101 It would fall apart. If you lose marijuana prohibition, 767 00:39:48,103 --> 00:39:50,970 you lose drug prohibition and the government knows it; 768 00:39:50,972 --> 00:39:53,072 They don't want to give that up 769 00:39:53,074 --> 00:39:55,240 because of the sheer money involved, 770 00:39:55,242 --> 00:39:59,977 Going down the path to legalization in this country 771 00:39:59,979 --> 00:40:04,081 is reckless and irresponsible. It scares us; 772 00:40:04,083 --> 00:40:06,083 The treatment people are afraid, 773 00:40:06,085 --> 00:40:10,220 the education people are afraid. Law enforcement is, is, is worried... 774 00:40:10,222 --> 00:40:11,988 what is gonna happen? 775 00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:14,323 People say, 'well, the vice cops who work on 776 00:40:14,325 --> 00:40:16,325 on marijuana prohibition would be out of work, 777 00:40:16,327 --> 00:40:17,793 the people who work for the DEA, 778 00:40:17,795 --> 00:40:20,062 some of them would be out of jobs, ' 779 00:40:20,063 --> 00:40:22,330 the White House drug czar office and so on and so forth. 780 00:40:22,332 --> 00:40:26,567 I mean, that's just the most lunatic defense of prohibition. 781 00:40:26,569 --> 00:40:29,937 By that logic, we should prohibit everything! 782 00:40:29,939 --> 00:40:31,471 Because then we'd need to cops to enforce 783 00:40:31,473 --> 00:40:33,372 food prohibition and housing prohibition 784 00:40:33,374 --> 00:40:35,173 and medicine prohibition. 785 00:40:46,385 --> 00:40:49,219 Beginning in the 1980s, the police departments became 786 00:40:49,221 --> 00:40:51,387 a number-driven group. 787 00:40:51,389 --> 00:40:56,825 One arrest is one arrest so if I spend a year and a half 788 00:40:56,827 --> 00:40:59,360 taking down a violent drug organization that's 789 00:40:59,362 --> 00:41:03,930 killed maybe 15-20 people and I lock up six guys. 790 00:41:03,932 --> 00:41:08,567 I get six ones. If I went out on the corner tomorrow, 791 00:41:08,569 --> 00:41:13,605 I can get fifteen "ones" and they all count the same. 792 00:41:13,607 --> 00:41:15,974 There's no weighing for like, 'this is the murderer: 793 00:41:15,976 --> 00:41:19,077 We give him fifteen points. This guy's the marijuana guy: 794 00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:20,945 We give him .2 points.' 795 00:41:20,947 --> 00:41:22,079 No, no, it's all the same. 796 00:41:22,081 --> 00:41:25,182 One thing about a cannabis arrest is it's easy, 797 00:41:25,184 --> 00:41:29,018 it's not dangerous, and it turns into a solved crime very quickly 798 00:41:29,020 --> 00:41:30,452 with very little paperwork. 799 00:41:30,454 --> 00:41:36,057 The whole thing is numbers because numbers generate revenue. 800 00:41:36,059 --> 00:41:39,693 That revenue keeps Congress giving you money. 801 00:41:39,695 --> 00:41:42,162 That money, then, you can turn around part of it 802 00:41:42,164 --> 00:41:44,230 and keep pressure on Congress. 803 00:41:44,232 --> 00:41:47,099 You don't come with those numbers-they retaliate 804 00:41:47,101 --> 00:41:49,301 by giving you bad evaluations. 805 00:41:49,303 --> 00:41:50,735 That's basically what they did to me. 806 00:41:50,737 --> 00:41:53,204 We have almost a five billion 807 00:41:53,206 --> 00:41:56,073 dollar budget a year so we run it like a business and 808 00:41:56,075 --> 00:42:01,044 it's fair to ask the employees here to do their fair share. 809 00:42:01,046 --> 00:42:03,046 It's not easy to get a trafficker. 810 00:42:03,048 --> 00:42:05,548 It's not like walking up to the corner 811 00:42:05,550 --> 00:42:09,118 or shaking the lockers of a high school. 812 00:42:14,124 --> 00:42:20,194 You reach a point, especially as an executive or a supervisor 813 00:42:20,196 --> 00:42:26,366 where you are now part of administering the policies 814 00:42:26,368 --> 00:42:28,301 and you start to ask the hard questions. 815 00:42:28,303 --> 00:42:33,438 Is it really worth a police officer's time 816 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,741 to bust somebody for a marijuana cigarette, 817 00:42:36,743 --> 00:42:40,578 take them off the street, put them in jail, book the evidence 818 00:42:40,580 --> 00:42:43,380 write the report and then be able to go back 819 00:42:43,382 --> 00:42:46,249 out on the street and attend to public safety after 820 00:42:46,251 --> 00:42:49,552 you've been gone for 3 hours for one marijuana arrest? 821 00:42:50,054 --> 00:42:53,622 I used to go to meetings of chief police officers in the UK 822 00:42:53,624 --> 00:42:56,424 after the formal conference was over 823 00:42:56,426 --> 00:43:00,460 around the bar and around the dinner table, 824 00:43:00,462 --> 00:43:02,595 they were all agreeing that there was 825 00:43:02,597 --> 00:43:05,764 no point in keeping cannabis illegal 826 00:43:05,766 --> 00:43:08,800 and yet what they said when the cameras were rolling, 827 00:43:08,802 --> 00:43:10,601 when the microphones were in front of them, 828 00:43:10,603 --> 00:43:11,768 was completely different. 829 00:43:12,036 --> 00:43:14,436 In the 15 years I've been in policy, 830 00:43:14,438 --> 00:43:17,472 I'm a little disillusioned by how much we were 831 00:43:17,474 --> 00:43:20,107 able to achieve and very disillusioned on 832 00:43:20,109 --> 00:43:23,576 the ability of leaders to still pretend we are achieving. 833 00:43:24,111 --> 00:43:26,311 You know we need police forces. 834 00:43:26,313 --> 00:43:28,179 If I was in charge of society, of course 835 00:43:28,181 --> 00:43:31,215 I'd have a police force, but I'd make sure there were 836 00:43:31,217 --> 00:43:33,550 sensible laws for them to enforce. 837 00:43:33,552 --> 00:43:36,152 And there are plenty of police who feel like that too. 838 00:43:36,154 --> 00:43:38,487 There's immense pressure on the inside of these sort of 839 00:43:38,489 --> 00:43:42,590 professions to toe the line and just keep quiet. 840 00:43:42,592 --> 00:43:46,593 The culture will eat you up if in fact 841 00:43:46,595 --> 00:43:49,162 you come out while you're a police leader. 842 00:43:49,164 --> 00:43:51,197 If they were to come out and say that they 843 00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:55,301 were in favor of taxation, regulation of marijuana 844 00:43:55,303 --> 00:43:58,137 they wouldn't get their promotions, they wouldn't 845 00:43:58,139 --> 00:44:02,174 be able to move through the ranks; they'll be labeled 846 00:44:02,176 --> 00:44:04,016 and I've seen that take place. 847 00:44:11,250 --> 00:44:13,149 There's alot of work being done 848 00:44:13,151 --> 00:44:15,451 on what creates respect for laws; 849 00:44:15,453 --> 00:44:18,320 To what extent do people feel that laws are legitimate. 850 00:44:18,322 --> 00:44:20,255 If they feel that laws are legitimate, they're likely 851 00:44:20,257 --> 00:44:21,756 to comply with them without needing 852 00:44:21,758 --> 00:44:24,258 to be coerced into them and punished. 853 00:44:24,260 --> 00:44:27,427 And the research is suggesting that people want fairness. 854 00:44:27,429 --> 00:44:32,564 In a sense, what creates respect for law is justice. 855 00:44:32,566 --> 00:44:36,467 Seeing it done. That elicits great respect 856 00:44:36,469 --> 00:44:39,570 when you actually see it being done. 857 00:44:39,572 --> 00:44:41,638 There's another kind of respect though, which is 858 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:46,708 respect for the stick-it's like the force of authority. 859 00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:49,577 Pretty much, marijuana works with the stick. 860 00:44:50,446 --> 00:44:52,612 One of the consequences of the War on Drugs is 861 00:44:52,614 --> 00:44:54,614 people have stopped looking at the police 862 00:44:54,616 --> 00:44:57,550 as their protectors and more see them, right, 863 00:44:57,552 --> 00:44:59,785 as their potential persecutors. 864 00:44:59,787 --> 00:45:01,353 The police department basically becomes 865 00:45:01,355 --> 00:45:03,755 the 'other' to the community, 866 00:45:03,757 --> 00:45:05,790 and once you have that breakdown, 867 00:45:05,792 --> 00:45:09,160 then information stops flowing. 868 00:45:09,162 --> 00:45:12,229 So you don't learn about crimes and then the only 869 00:45:12,231 --> 00:45:13,897 crime you really become interested in is the one 870 00:45:13,899 --> 00:45:15,732 ou can solve which is locking people up 871 00:45:15,734 --> 00:45:18,534 on the corner for using drugs. 872 00:45:18,669 --> 00:45:21,186 And, you know, a great metric of that 873 00:45:21,187 --> 00:45:23,704 is murder clearance rates. So, a murder is cleared when 874 00:45:23,707 --> 00:45:25,573 an arrest is made and somebody goes to jail 875 00:45:25,575 --> 00:45:28,809 and in 1965, we were clearing- police were clearing- 876 00:45:28,811 --> 00:45:31,478 about 90% of the murders that were committed in this country. 877 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,346 That means, for 90% of the murders in this country 878 00:45:33,348 --> 00:45:37,350 there was an arrest and a charge and today that's under 65%. 879 00:45:37,352 --> 00:45:40,186 That's after all the tremendous technological advances 880 00:45:40,188 --> 00:45:41,720 you know, DNA evidence all sorts of 881 00:45:41,722 --> 00:45:44,789 forensics and, you know, expanding police budgets 882 00:45:44,791 --> 00:45:46,791 and that sort of thing. I think if we were to look 883 00:45:46,793 --> 00:45:49,827 at one cause for that drop in murder clearance rates 884 00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:52,329 it's the breakdown in the relationship between 885 00:45:52,331 --> 00:45:54,431 society at large and the police 886 00:45:54,433 --> 00:45:57,167 and, you know, that by extension, is a consequence 887 00:45:57,169 --> 00:45:59,269 almost entirely of the war on drugs. 888 00:45:59,271 --> 00:46:01,638 By having to uphold these outdated and failed policies, 889 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,173 it ruins our reputation and it damages 890 00:46:04,175 --> 00:46:05,541 the community relations between the police 891 00:46:05,543 --> 00:46:07,843 and the policed, as well. 892 00:46:07,845 --> 00:46:09,544 Whole generations have grown up 893 00:46:09,546 --> 00:46:12,580 distrusting their local police rather than seeing them 894 00:46:12,582 --> 00:46:15,215 as a potential protective layer of society. 895 00:46:15,217 --> 00:46:18,518 When you do this, you change the whole nature 896 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,820 of the game, and from 1980 on 897 00:46:20,822 --> 00:46:24,323 the police become more and more militarized. 898 00:46:24,325 --> 00:46:28,327 The initiation of the drug war was the initiation of 899 00:46:28,329 --> 00:46:34,499 a general loosening of const- raint on search and seizure. 900 00:46:34,501 --> 00:46:37,568 It became just part of police practice 901 00:46:37,570 --> 00:46:39,736 to be breaking down the door. We see it now 902 00:46:39,738 --> 00:46:44,573 as a staple of Cops; that's now our reality. 903 00:46:44,575 --> 00:46:48,843 That wasn't the reality before... the drug war. 904 00:46:49,779 --> 00:46:51,445 Columbia police! Search warrant! 905 00:46:51,447 --> 00:46:53,327 Columbia police! Search warrant! 906 00:46:53,882 --> 00:46:55,762 Columbia police! Search warrant! 907 00:46:57,785 --> 00:46:59,284 Search warrant! Search warrant! 908 00:46:59,286 --> 00:47:00,818 Don't move! Don't move! 909 00:47:01,420 --> 00:47:02,285 Don't move! 910 00:47:02,453 --> 00:47:03,552 Search warrant! 911 00:47:04,588 --> 00:47:06,348 Search warrant! Don't move! 912 00:47:07,457 --> 00:47:09,256 Search warrant! Don't move! 913 00:47:11,226 --> 00:47:12,325 That's on him. 914 00:47:12,327 --> 00:47:14,994 Yeah. The money and the dope. 915 00:47:15,563 --> 00:47:18,564 Now you see police and most often they look like soldiers: 916 00:47:18,566 --> 00:47:20,566 They're dressed in black, they have jackboots 917 00:47:20,568 --> 00:47:23,468 high-caliber arms and they don't walk the street 918 00:47:23,470 --> 00:47:24,702 and get to know the community, right? 919 00:47:24,704 --> 00:47:26,370 They drive around in cruisers 920 00:47:26,372 --> 00:47:28,492 that look they belong on the battle field 921 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,841 that's the difference between 922 00:47:31,843 --> 00:47:33,809 the Greenville police department's new. 923 00:47:33,811 --> 00:47:36,344 SWAT truck compared to the old one. 924 00:47:36,346 --> 00:47:38,446 The truck has a lot of bells and whistles: 925 00:47:38,448 --> 00:47:40,314 From the simple storage compartments, 926 00:47:40,316 --> 00:47:43,450 to the gunports on the side. They're actually proud 927 00:47:43,452 --> 00:47:45,952 to say they did not use any taxpayer money. 928 00:47:45,954 --> 00:47:48,254 We paid for it with seized funds 929 00:47:48,255 --> 00:47:50,575 it came out of money we had seized from drug dealers... 930 00:47:56,296 --> 00:48:00,865 That's where respect is lost. The officers on the street 931 00:48:00,867 --> 00:48:05,035 have lost it; the institution itself has lost it. 932 00:48:05,037 --> 00:48:08,371 You're not being seen as anything but the other- 933 00:48:08,373 --> 00:48:10,306 people warring on us. 934 00:48:11,542 --> 00:48:13,708 The war on drugs has had a puzzling effect 935 00:48:13,710 --> 00:48:16,777 on how society seeks to police itself. 936 00:48:16,779 --> 00:48:19,546 With hundreds of thousands of marijuana arrests annually, 937 00:48:19,548 --> 00:48:22,982 once you start gathering a large 938 00:48:22,984 --> 00:48:26,451 group of prisoners, where do you put them all? 939 00:48:27,420 --> 00:48:29,853 Well, private prison is as scary as all shit 940 00:48:29,855 --> 00:48:33,790 and they're scary as hell for a very simple reason: 941 00:48:33,792 --> 00:48:36,959 They make it highly profitable to incarcerate people. 942 00:48:36,961 --> 00:48:38,493 We've lost track of how 943 00:48:38,495 --> 00:48:40,428 ridiculous some of the things we do are. 944 00:48:40,430 --> 00:48:43,731 So we're gonna give people a profit motive 945 00:48:43,733 --> 00:48:45,699 in putting more people in jail? 946 00:48:45,701 --> 00:48:47,600 Gee, I wonder what's gonna happen... 947 00:48:47,602 --> 00:48:49,535 Corrections Corporation of America is 948 00:48:49,537 --> 00:48:51,937 the Hilton of the private prison industry: 949 00:48:51,939 --> 00:48:54,439 A multi-billion dollar business that's getting 950 00:48:54,441 --> 00:48:56,374 rich off punishment. 951 00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:59,643 The more people locked up behind bars 952 00:48:59,645 --> 00:49:03,680 and the longer they stay there the more money CCA makes. 953 00:49:03,682 --> 00:49:05,381 Last year the company banked 954 00:49:05,383 --> 00:49:08,384 a reported 1.7 billion dollars. 955 00:49:08,586 --> 00:49:11,453 When you have a privatized prison, there's a contract 956 00:49:11,455 --> 00:49:14,322 between the state and the prison 957 00:49:14,324 --> 00:49:16,824 that the state has to maintain a certain 958 00:49:16,826 --> 00:49:18,826 occupancy rate in the prison. 959 00:49:18,828 --> 00:49:20,994 Meaning that the state guarantees 960 00:49:20,996 --> 00:49:26,565 that the prison will stay anywhere from 80 to 100% full. 961 00:49:27,334 --> 00:49:29,834 Crime could go down, it doesn't matter. 962 00:49:29,836 --> 00:49:31,468 The taxpayers are still on 963 00:49:31,470 --> 00:49:33,403 the hook and the government is still on the hook 964 00:49:33,405 --> 00:49:36,105 for filling up your prisons. 965 00:49:36,107 --> 00:49:37,906 Well, where do you get these numbers from? 966 00:49:37,908 --> 00:49:40,075 The easiest way to make sure that the quotas are full 967 00:49:40,077 --> 00:49:42,944 in these private prisons is to get the low hanging fruit 968 00:49:42,946 --> 00:49:45,012 which is just the drug user as a criminal 969 00:49:45,014 --> 00:49:47,114 rather than someone who might need a bit of medical help. 970 00:49:47,116 --> 00:49:49,449 And that means that every fourth person in the world 971 00:49:49,451 --> 00:49:51,034 in jail 972 00:49:51,035 --> 00:49:52,618 is a citizen of the "land of the free." 973 00:49:52,620 --> 00:49:55,220 You just become a commodity, rather than a human being, 974 00:49:55,222 --> 00:49:56,988 churned through the system to make money 975 00:49:56,990 --> 00:49:59,023 for these big corporations. 976 00:49:59,025 --> 00:50:00,958 If we go on down this path, we'll see more 977 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,527 and more laws being invented and created to justify the 978 00:50:03,529 --> 00:50:06,897 imprisonment of more and more people. Public money 979 00:50:06,899 --> 00:50:08,632 will ironically be plunged into 980 00:50:08,634 --> 00:50:10,800 pursuading us that that is right. 981 00:50:10,802 --> 00:50:13,803 Each state is constantly arguing about the fact 982 00:50:13,805 --> 00:50:15,171 that they don't have enough money for 983 00:50:15,173 --> 00:50:17,072 for their public education, but then 984 00:50:17,074 --> 00:50:19,141 at the same time, they'll take 985 00:50:19,142 --> 00:50:21,209 state funds-or in a lot of cases, federal money- 986 00:50:21,211 --> 00:50:23,678 and put it into the prison system. 987 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,846 This is Carl Holton school and it's been closed 988 00:50:25,848 --> 00:50:28,949 for some time now and in it's place will rise 989 00:50:28,951 --> 00:50:31,952 a hospital prison with over 1700 beds. 990 00:50:31,954 --> 00:50:37,223 California, since 1980, we've built 23 prisons, 991 00:50:37,225 --> 00:50:40,159 we've hired 14,000 prison guards 992 00:50:40,161 --> 00:50:41,994 and we've fired 5000 teachers. 993 00:50:41,996 --> 00:50:44,096 West Virginia is strapped for money, but we're 994 00:50:44,098 --> 00:50:46,865 building another prison here. Got to! 995 00:50:46,867 --> 00:50:48,800 A lot of people getting arrested here. 996 00:50:48,802 --> 00:50:51,636 Most states are just like mine of California: 997 00:50:51,638 --> 00:50:53,938 The largest, strongest political lobby group 998 00:50:53,940 --> 00:50:56,640 in our state is - the prison guards' union. 999 00:50:56,642 --> 00:50:59,876 You have unions that are lobbying to make sure that 1000 00:50:59,878 --> 00:51:02,678 certain drugs stay illegal regardless of 1001 00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,846 of how safe they are, to make sure that prisons 1002 00:51:04,848 --> 00:51:08,216 are filled because prisons extract money from the system. 1003 00:51:08,218 --> 00:51:09,317 It's insanity! 1004 00:51:10,286 --> 00:51:13,587 It's not rational or logical; It's... financial. 1005 00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:15,722 Money is the backdrop to everything. You can't 1006 00:51:15,724 --> 00:51:18,658 even run from it; I try to see other things or 1007 00:51:18,660 --> 00:51:20,626 put other perspectives on it, 1008 00:51:20,628 --> 00:51:22,508 but it always boils down to money. 1009 00:51:22,762 --> 00:51:25,062 We've even seen, in places like Pennsylvania, where 1010 00:51:25,064 --> 00:51:29,199 judges have gone and faced high federal sentences for 1011 00:51:29,201 --> 00:51:31,067 actually streamlining children 1012 00:51:31,069 --> 00:51:33,303 into these private facilities. 1013 00:51:33,304 --> 00:51:35,538 A former juvenile court judge in Pennsylvania could face 1014 00:51:35,540 --> 00:51:38,073 more than 10 years in prison after being convicted 1015 00:51:38,075 --> 00:51:41,776 in a kids for cash scheme. Prosecutors say he used 1016 00:51:41,778 --> 00:51:44,545 children as pawns-locking them up unjustly 1017 00:51:44,547 --> 00:51:46,113 in a plot to get rich. 1018 00:51:46,115 --> 00:51:47,614 Remember my son? 1019 00:51:47,616 --> 00:51:49,182 An all-star wrestler! 1020 00:51:49,184 --> 00:51:51,083 He's gone, he shot himself in the heart! 1021 00:51:51,085 --> 00:51:54,719 You scumbag, you ruined my fucking life! 1022 00:51:57,256 --> 00:51:59,689 And what could be more harmful to one's self than 1023 00:51:59,691 --> 00:52:01,641 being sent to prison? 1024 00:52:01,642 --> 00:52:03,592 No effect of the drug can be possibly as harmful 1025 00:52:03,594 --> 00:52:06,795 as doing jail time for consuming it. 1026 00:52:06,797 --> 00:52:08,863 And they end up with a criminal record. 1027 00:52:08,865 --> 00:52:12,132 What does that do to them? They could lose their job; 1028 00:52:12,134 --> 00:52:15,068 In some parts of the world, they will lose their housing. 1029 00:52:15,070 --> 00:52:17,870 They will lose the right to education. 1030 00:52:17,872 --> 00:52:20,339 This is a fucking kid who just got arrested recently 1031 00:52:20,341 --> 00:52:22,808 for having marijuana on him. They put him in jail 1032 00:52:22,810 --> 00:52:25,744 and he had an extreme food allergy. He asked them 1033 00:52:25,746 --> 00:52:28,646 if there was any milk in any of their products, 1034 00:52:28,648 --> 00:52:30,581 they wouldn't answer him, they gave him food, he ate it and 1035 00:52:30,583 --> 00:52:33,050 he fucking died in jail. 1036 00:52:33,052 --> 00:52:36,686 How... criminal is that? 1037 00:52:36,688 --> 00:52:40,056 What they've made illegal isn't the problem, alright? 1038 00:52:40,058 --> 00:52:42,725 The problem is the policy itself. 1039 00:52:42,727 --> 00:52:45,160 This business about drug offenses; I mean it's time 1040 00:52:45,162 --> 00:52:49,863 we stopped locking up people for possession of marijuana. 1041 00:52:49,865 --> 00:52:52,765 It selects people that it puts in jail, so we see 1042 00:52:52,767 --> 00:52:57,001 widely disparate penalties among socioeconomic groups 1043 00:52:57,003 --> 00:52:58,369 among racial groups. 1044 00:52:58,371 --> 00:53:01,271 White people and black people in this country do drugs 1045 00:53:01,273 --> 00:53:03,706 at the same rate so they should be arrested 1046 00:53:03,708 --> 00:53:06,175 at the same rate, but the reality is, of course 1047 00:53:06,177 --> 00:53:08,644 that's not remotely true. Across the nation, 1048 00:53:08,646 --> 00:53:12,847 blacks are arrested at four times the rate of whites. 1049 00:53:12,849 --> 00:53:14,949 Now, in some places like Minneapolis, 1050 00:53:14,951 --> 00:53:19,353 Washington, D.C., Iowa, it's eight times the rate. 1051 00:53:19,355 --> 00:53:22,055 So, why in the world would you be arresting 1052 00:53:22,057 --> 00:53:23,990 black Americans at eight times the rate-or even 1053 00:53:23,992 --> 00:53:25,958 nation-wide at four times rate-of whites? 1054 00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:30,162 They're using it at the same rate! You have no excuse! 1055 00:53:30,164 --> 00:53:32,330 If you are a young black man walking around the 1056 00:53:32,332 --> 00:53:34,231 streets of London today, you are nine times more 1057 00:53:34,233 --> 00:53:36,333 likely to be stopped and searched on 1058 00:53:36,335 --> 00:53:38,535 suspicion of carrying drugs. 1059 00:53:38,536 --> 00:53:40,736 I have risen through classes, so I know 1060 00:53:40,739 --> 00:53:42,772 you know what I mean- the difference. 1061 00:53:42,774 --> 00:53:45,207 Growin' up in Pittsburgh, just being on the streets, 1062 00:53:45,209 --> 00:53:47,842 if I got caught with some weed, they're gonna look at me 1063 00:53:47,844 --> 00:53:50,077 me as I'm selling some weed or I'm trying to get 1064 00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:52,746 some weed to one of their kids I look like a threat 1065 00:53:52,748 --> 00:53:56,416 but when I started rapping and started associating myself 1066 00:53:56,418 --> 00:53:59,085 with other people, started getting money: 1067 00:53:59,087 --> 00:54:02,021 They'll be like, 'oh he's not dangerous, he can smoke.' 1068 00:54:02,023 --> 00:54:04,790 The War on Drugs is one of those issues that highlights 1069 00:54:04,792 --> 00:54:07,058 very clearly that there is one law for the rich and powerful 1070 00:54:07,060 --> 00:54:08,900 and one law for the rest of us. 1071 00:54:10,296 --> 00:54:14,398 HSBC is a giant bank that actually laundered money 1072 00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:18,167 for the Mexican drug cartels. Billions of dollars! 1073 00:54:18,335 --> 00:54:19,934 Nobody went to jail. 1074 00:54:19,936 --> 00:54:22,403 Naturally, if there is a big bank that is 1075 00:54:22,405 --> 00:54:25,272 laundering money for drug cartels, they should face 1076 00:54:25,274 --> 00:54:28,408 a federal prosecution and criminal charges but that's 1077 00:54:28,410 --> 00:54:32,945 not what happened. They got a fine of 1.9 billion dollars! 1078 00:54:32,947 --> 00:54:36,048 Well, what's a fine to HSBC? It's pocket change; 1079 00:54:36,050 --> 00:54:37,816 It's one of the costs of doing business. 1080 00:54:37,818 --> 00:54:40,885 And nobody goes to jail and a mother of four 1081 00:54:40,887 --> 00:54:43,420 is arrested for $30 worth of pot and 1082 00:54:43,422 --> 00:54:45,955 she's put in jail for ten years. 1083 00:54:45,957 --> 00:54:48,724 The people at HSCBC are 1084 00:54:48,726 --> 00:54:54,095 in the elite, the woman with the $30 worth of pot is not. 1085 00:54:54,697 --> 00:54:58,331 Every animal that's ever had a hierarchical social structure 1086 00:54:58,333 --> 00:55:00,833 going all the way back to lizards, lobsters 1087 00:55:00,835 --> 00:55:05,003 and puppy dogs-has built that structure on prohibition 1088 00:55:05,005 --> 00:55:07,071 and there's always been a chicken at the 1089 00:55:07,073 --> 00:55:09,773 bottom the pecking order and the one on the bottom 1090 00:55:09,775 --> 00:55:12,108 of the pecking order ends up in a miserable 1091 00:55:12,110 --> 00:55:18,980 god awful, picked-on, pecked-on state and that 1092 00:55:18,982 --> 00:55:23,084 isn't mankind's social invention 1093 00:55:23,086 --> 00:55:26,720 that is mother nature's social invention. Does that mean 1094 00:55:26,722 --> 00:55:31,991 mean it's good? Hell no. And it's our job to reverse it, 1095 00:55:31,993 --> 00:55:34,126 natural or not. 1096 00:55:37,931 --> 00:55:42,032 Empathy is all it really takes to open up the avenues 1097 00:55:42,034 --> 00:55:45,268 of outrage and realize how appalling this is. 1098 00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:46,902 Let's remember something boys and girls: 1099 00:55:46,904 --> 00:55:49,938 Jails are there for people who hit us over the head 1100 00:55:49,940 --> 00:55:52,106 when we're walking down the street, 1101 00:55:52,108 --> 00:55:54,292 jails are there for people 1102 00:55:54,293 --> 00:55:56,477 who break into our homes and loot the place. 1103 00:55:56,479 --> 00:55:59,880 Jails are there for people who do genuine harm. 1104 00:55:59,882 --> 00:56:02,983 So I have no right to put them in jail 1105 00:56:02,985 --> 00:56:06,786 for having a different lifestyle than mine. In fact, 1106 00:56:06,788 --> 00:56:09,921 if I were to do that, it would be criminal. 1107 00:56:12,091 --> 00:56:17,360 And yet, the war on marijuana continues on. 1108 00:56:17,362 --> 00:56:21,330 Only now with new medical discoveries. 1109 00:56:21,332 --> 00:56:25,133 You might ask yourself, 'What possible health benefits 1110 00:56:25,135 --> 00:56:27,468 could an illegal plant have?' 1111 00:56:27,470 --> 00:56:30,204 The answer is starting to become more clear. 1112 00:56:30,206 --> 00:56:32,072 It begins with something that each and every 1113 00:56:32,074 --> 00:56:34,874 it's something called 1114 00:56:34,876 --> 00:56:37,209 the endocannabinoid system. 1115 00:56:37,411 --> 00:56:39,911 We think of marijuana as this violent, unnatural 1116 00:56:39,913 --> 00:56:44,048 intrusion on human biology. It's not. 1117 00:56:44,050 --> 00:56:48,451 We are built with all kinds of receptors for cannabis. 1118 00:56:49,854 --> 00:56:53,388 Cannabis mimics endogenous chemicals that we already 1119 00:56:53,390 --> 00:56:56,457 produce in the body called endocannabinoids. 1120 00:56:56,459 --> 00:56:58,025 That's why we have receptors that 1121 00:56:58,027 --> 00:57:01,561 pretty well fit cannabis. 1122 00:57:01,563 --> 00:57:04,797 Cannabinoids are these twenty-carbon molecules 1123 00:57:04,799 --> 00:57:06,431 that we produce, the plant produces 1124 00:57:06,433 --> 00:57:08,065 there's over a hundred of them in the plant 1125 00:57:08,067 --> 00:57:11,901 and these two systems work together to regulate cell, 1126 00:57:12,136 --> 00:57:14,803 cluster cell, and intracellular functions. 1127 00:57:14,805 --> 00:57:17,238 All the cannabinoids do is help cells function. 1128 00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,290 They don't care what the cell does 1129 00:57:19,291 --> 00:57:21,341 they don't care if its contracting, secreting thyroid 1130 00:57:21,344 --> 00:57:24,445 synthesizing this, remodeling bone, doesn't matter. 1131 00:57:24,447 --> 00:57:26,079 Just, they're doing something and they do it 1132 00:57:26,081 --> 00:57:28,047 a little more effectively. 1133 00:57:28,049 --> 00:57:32,517 Western medicine has never seen a substance like this. 1134 00:57:32,519 --> 00:57:36,087 We like single drug/ single function, and you come along 1135 00:57:36,089 --> 00:57:37,988 with a molecule that may have an interface 1136 00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:40,190 inside of every cell and help it function 1137 00:57:40,192 --> 00:57:45,894 more effectively and, really, it's a hard one to imagine. 1138 00:57:46,062 --> 00:57:48,563 I can't find any real legitimate doctor that thinks 1139 00:57:48,565 --> 00:57:52,333 smoking marijuana is good for anybody. Sure it may 1140 00:57:52,335 --> 00:57:54,635 relieve pain temporarily, but a fifth of Jack Daniels 1141 00:57:54,637 --> 00:57:56,303 might do the same thing, and nobody's calling 1142 00:57:56,305 --> 00:57:58,655 that medicine right? 1143 00:57:58,656 --> 00:58:01,006 People who say there is no established medical 1144 00:58:01,009 --> 00:58:04,743 use of marijuana simply don't know what they're talkin' about. 1145 00:58:05,979 --> 00:58:08,012 It's so versatile. 1146 00:58:08,014 --> 00:58:10,147 It seems every day when I open up the news, there's 1147 00:58:10,149 --> 00:58:11,681 another report on cannabinoids 1148 00:58:11,683 --> 00:58:13,649 having some type of medical utility. 1149 00:58:13,651 --> 00:58:17,185 Control of muscle spasticity, multiple sclerosis, 1150 00:58:17,187 --> 00:58:19,053 Glaucoma, colitis. 1151 00:58:19,055 --> 00:58:20,120 Nausea, pain. 1152 00:58:20,122 --> 00:58:21,588 Migraine headaches. 1153 00:58:21,590 --> 00:58:24,591 There are hundreds of reasons that 1154 00:58:24,593 --> 00:58:27,393 people find marijuana useful. 1155 00:58:27,395 --> 00:58:31,696 That's why I look so good after 41 years in the game. 1156 00:58:31,698 --> 00:58:38,469 It is the most non-toxic medicine I have ever encountered. 1157 00:58:39,238 --> 00:58:42,038 Once it's free of the prohibition tariff, 1158 00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,007 it's gonna be much less expensive than the 1159 00:58:45,009 --> 00:58:48,143 pharmaceutical products which it will replace. 1160 00:58:52,482 --> 00:58:54,615 Think of a strain as a little chemistry lab 1161 00:58:54,617 --> 00:58:57,017 an organic chemistry lab because what's happening is 1162 00:58:57,019 --> 00:58:59,719 mother nature is creating her own cannabinoid profile. 1163 00:58:59,721 --> 00:59:02,688 For instance you could smoke a variety or use a variety 1164 00:59:02,690 --> 00:59:04,723 that would help you with your headache or I could 1165 00:59:04,724 --> 00:59:06,757 use a variety that might help me with my back pain. 1166 00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,526 If an AIDS patient comes in and they're having problems 1167 00:59:08,528 --> 00:59:11,128 eating, or they can't sleep-okay, you can't eat, 1168 00:59:11,130 --> 00:59:12,562 you can't sleep, you know for sure the indica is 1169 00:59:12,564 --> 00:59:14,564 gonna put you down, it's gonna relax you 100%, 1170 00:59:14,566 --> 00:59:17,099 it's gonna give you appetite and you don't wanna 1171 00:59:17,101 --> 00:59:19,034 give him a sativa; Because you give him a sativa, 1172 00:59:19,036 --> 00:59:20,168 he's gonna be up thinking all night. 1173 00:59:20,170 --> 00:59:22,436 So it's about genes; It is about 1174 00:59:22,438 --> 00:59:24,571 this kind of character of plant can do this, 1175 00:59:24,573 --> 00:59:26,372 and this kind of plant can do that. 1176 00:59:26,374 --> 00:59:29,575 It's very important to keep these gene marks- 1177 00:59:29,577 --> 00:59:31,710 these original ones-it could be 1178 00:59:31,712 --> 00:59:33,545 the medicine that we need. 1179 00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:40,650 What is a land race? A land race is basically a 1180 00:59:40,652 --> 00:59:44,453 species of marijuana that's indigenous to an area 1181 00:59:44,455 --> 00:59:46,421 and has been growing there for hundreds of years 1182 00:59:46,423 --> 00:59:48,022 in a certain area. 1183 00:59:48,024 --> 00:59:50,424 Cannabis is from all over the world, so we have 1184 00:59:50,426 --> 00:59:52,559 Afghan varieties, Indian varieties. 1185 00:59:52,561 --> 00:59:55,695 In Colombia you have the famous Santa Marta Punta Roja 1186 00:59:55,697 --> 01:00:00,032 in Central Africa, you'll have the Malawi Gold. 1187 01:00:00,034 --> 01:00:03,035 When I started this whole new series on strain hunting 1188 01:00:03,037 --> 01:00:05,604 it was to show the world how much 1189 01:00:05,606 --> 01:00:09,774 people depend on marijuana around the world. 1190 01:00:09,776 --> 01:00:12,610 We estimate that probably around two to three 1191 01:00:12,612 --> 01:00:15,713 hundred million people's families are 1192 01:00:15,715 --> 01:00:17,414 depending on this crop. 1193 01:00:17,416 --> 01:00:19,549 It's still a drug in most countries so 1194 01:00:19,551 --> 01:00:22,285 the police takes it, or it's expensive, so 1195 01:00:22,287 --> 01:00:24,720 robbers will steal it and these are areas where the. 1196 01:00:24,722 --> 01:00:29,457 UN or other big international NGO's like UNESCO 1197 01:00:29,459 --> 01:00:30,758 never will come. 1198 01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,460 In these very remote areas there are a lot of 1199 01:00:33,462 --> 01:00:36,429 very nice land races and we would like to preserve 1200 01:00:36,431 --> 01:00:39,098 these land races for the future so we try to 1201 01:00:39,100 --> 01:00:41,600 obtain them and find them and bring them back. 1202 01:00:41,602 --> 01:00:44,836 We have new varieties that we can play with to see 1203 01:00:44,838 --> 01:00:46,771 if they will have any benefit for the future- 1204 01:00:46,773 --> 01:00:48,706 medicinal or recreational. 1205 01:00:48,708 --> 01:00:51,542 It's like getting a new athlete on your team that 1206 01:00:51,544 --> 01:00:52,843 you can cross-breed and 1207 01:00:52,845 --> 01:00:55,345 create a new variety of marijuana. 1208 01:00:56,848 --> 01:01:00,115 In recent years, understanding of medical marijuana's 1209 01:01:00,117 --> 01:01:04,418 diversity has become universally widespread news. 1210 01:01:04,420 --> 01:01:06,653 With a greater knowledge of strains has come new 1211 01:01:06,655 --> 01:01:10,156 new discoveries. These discoveries are leading us to 1212 01:01:10,158 --> 01:01:13,726 medical benefits we never could have imagined. 1213 01:01:17,664 --> 01:01:19,597 Jayden is seven years old now 1214 01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:23,734 Jayden was born perfectly healthy. 1215 01:01:23,736 --> 01:01:28,438 At four months old, Jayden had his first seizure. 1216 01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,339 It was just a downhill road from there 1217 01:01:30,341 --> 01:01:31,606 for the next few years. 1218 01:01:31,608 --> 01:01:36,377 He was having 500 twitching, myoclonic seizures a day; 1219 01:01:36,379 --> 01:01:39,413 He'd have grand mals for an hour, hour and a half. 1220 01:01:39,415 --> 01:01:41,448 I remember he was crying from 1 o'clock at night 1221 01:01:41,450 --> 01:01:43,850 till 9 in the morning- screaming and crying in pain. 1222 01:01:43,852 --> 01:01:45,751 He was seeing things, he was hallucinating 1223 01:01:45,753 --> 01:01:47,719 from the medications. 1224 01:01:47,721 --> 01:01:51,556 At four and a half, Jayden was taking 22 pills a day 1225 01:01:51,558 --> 01:01:54,158 he was at 25,000 pills he had taken by the time 1226 01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:55,526 he was 5 years old. 1227 01:01:56,595 --> 01:01:59,195 Jayden had tried twelve different medications, 1228 01:01:59,197 --> 01:02:01,314 we had 40 ambulance bills, we were fighting with 1229 01:02:01,315 --> 01:02:03,432 the insurance company all the time. We lost our house, 1230 01:02:03,434 --> 01:02:05,467 we lost our cars, we lost our business 1231 01:02:05,469 --> 01:02:06,801 we lost our family. 1232 01:02:08,905 --> 01:02:11,572 I went to UCSF, I said, 'look, I don't think Jayden's 1233 01:02:11,574 --> 01:02:14,241 gonna make it another week. What do you suggest?' 1234 01:02:14,243 --> 01:02:16,710 They're all, 'I don't know, I mean, I would try anything.' 1235 01:02:16,712 --> 01:02:19,312 I go, 'what do you think about medical marijuana?' 1236 01:02:19,314 --> 01:02:21,247 They're all, 'well, like we said, we think we're in a 1237 01:02:21,249 --> 01:02:23,315 life and death situation- you should try anything.' 1238 01:02:23,317 --> 01:02:26,184 So I said alright, I went and picked up something. 1239 01:02:26,186 --> 01:02:29,754 I saw in a dispensary, and came home, I gave it to Jayden- 1240 01:02:29,756 --> 01:02:31,789 after four and a half years of having myoclonic 1241 01:02:31,791 --> 01:02:34,792 seizures, and twitching and head drops 1242 01:02:34,794 --> 01:02:37,494 and seizing-the first day I gave it to him was- 1243 01:02:37,496 --> 01:02:39,829 thank God one million times- was the first day he's 1244 01:02:39,831 --> 01:02:41,897 ever went seizure free in his life. 1245 01:02:41,899 --> 01:02:46,267 Second day, third day, fourth day, 1246 01:02:46,269 --> 01:02:48,702 the seizures were down dramatically; I could see his 1247 01:02:48,704 --> 01:02:50,704 eyes lighting up. 1248 01:02:50,706 --> 01:02:53,006 It was summertime- 1249 01:02:53,007 --> 01:02:55,307 it was June 1st the first day I gave it to him 2011. 1250 01:02:55,310 --> 01:02:57,576 He started swimming; Jayden's never been able 1251 01:02:57,578 --> 01:02:59,744 to swim before-the sudden temperature change of water 1252 01:02:59,746 --> 01:03:01,312 would give him a seizure 1253 01:03:01,314 --> 01:03:02,846 I put him in the front yard and my neighbor's like, 1254 01:03:02,848 --> 01:03:04,948 oh my gosh, we've never seen him in the front yard.' 1255 01:03:04,950 --> 01:03:07,231 They were so excited they were cheering him on... 1256 01:03:10,388 --> 01:03:12,421 I started weaning him off the medications after 1257 01:03:12,423 --> 01:03:15,357 one month I was on the CBD. 1258 01:03:16,693 --> 01:03:19,427 Every time I took him off, he'd suffer for two weeks 1259 01:03:19,429 --> 01:03:21,295 he'd become more human. Then take off 1260 01:03:21,297 --> 01:03:23,397 another pill, suffer for two weeks, boom: 1261 01:03:23,399 --> 01:03:24,731 Become more human. 1262 01:03:25,433 --> 01:03:26,732 Jayden started chewing. 1263 01:03:26,734 --> 01:03:28,767 Jayden was only eating Gerber food... 1264 01:03:28,768 --> 01:03:31,088 always till he was five years old. He started chewing. 1265 01:03:31,871 --> 01:03:34,972 With taking 25,000 pills, it really wears on your body 1266 01:03:34,974 --> 01:03:36,940 and brain, so it was kinda recovering more from the 1267 01:03:36,942 --> 01:03:39,409 medication than from the epilepsy. 1268 01:03:39,411 --> 01:03:41,744 And we decided to wean off the hardest one: 1269 01:03:42,780 --> 01:03:44,379 Benzodiazepines. 1270 01:03:44,381 --> 01:03:50,283 He was having tremors, nightmares, brain zaps; 1271 01:03:50,285 --> 01:03:53,452 I've contacted 30 different benzo withdrawal clinics, 1272 01:03:53,454 --> 01:03:54,686 they go, 'how old is the person 1273 01:03:54,688 --> 01:03:57,422 that you want to bring into our clinic?' 1274 01:03:57,424 --> 01:03:59,624 I tell them, 'seven years old' and they scream 1275 01:03:59,626 --> 01:04:02,593 at the top of their lungs - every single one vividly 1276 01:04:02,595 --> 01:04:04,361 say the same exact thing: 1277 01:04:04,363 --> 01:04:06,563 'You have a seven year old on benzos? 1278 01:04:06,565 --> 01:04:08,932 'Cause we have people here that are football players, 1279 01:04:08,934 --> 01:04:11,234 we have people here that are big, tough guys 1280 01:04:11,236 --> 01:04:12,802 that are dying, literally dying, 1281 01:04:12,804 --> 01:04:14,837 from benzos and you have a seven year old on it? 1282 01:04:14,839 --> 01:04:16,422 I said, 'seven year old? I go, 1283 01:04:16,423 --> 01:04:18,704 'my son's been addicted to it since he was 16 months old.' 1284 01:04:18,708 --> 01:04:21,442 So now we have to figure out a way to wean him off 1285 01:04:21,444 --> 01:04:23,444 by ourselves because the benzo detox clinics are not 1286 01:04:23,446 --> 01:04:26,480 are not willing to take in a seven year old. 1287 01:04:26,482 --> 01:04:29,249 Since we've been using the CBD's, he's been doing amazing. 1288 01:04:29,251 --> 01:04:32,885 It has under 1% THC, so it doesn't give you 1289 01:04:32,887 --> 01:04:33,952 that euphoria. 1290 01:04:34,587 --> 01:04:36,520 It's abstracted, 1291 01:04:36,522 --> 01:04:39,022 it's organic, we know the dosage in milligrams. 1292 01:04:40,358 --> 01:04:42,558 We're on the forefront of something huge: 1293 01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:46,595 It's either you're gonna give up, and just and let your son, 1294 01:04:46,597 --> 01:04:49,030 your child, be a vegetable and die or you're gonna 1295 01:04:49,032 --> 01:04:51,265 sit there and fight. 1296 01:04:51,267 --> 01:04:53,033 I still haven't met Jayden yet. 1297 01:04:53,035 --> 01:04:55,502 I know Jayden and 22 pills, but I'm down to Jayden and 1298 01:04:55,504 --> 01:04:57,904 two pills-that's who I know right now. 1299 01:04:59,274 --> 01:05:02,341 I don't know Jayden but on medication. 1300 01:05:07,881 --> 01:05:09,981 Christmas before Jayden was born-that was my 1301 01:05:09,983 --> 01:05:12,550 that Jayden was gonna be born. 1302 01:05:12,552 --> 01:05:15,719 My ex-wife had given me a box and I opened it 1303 01:05:15,721 --> 01:05:17,620 and I remember... 1304 01:05:19,857 --> 01:05:21,489 this is a hard one... 1305 01:05:21,491 --> 01:05:23,174 I remember opening the box and seeing 1306 01:05:23,175 --> 01:05:24,858 a pregnancy test saying positive with two baby shoes 1307 01:05:24,861 --> 01:05:29,529 and having so much expectation, you know? 1308 01:05:29,531 --> 01:05:32,597 Having so much expectation that you're gonna have a son. 1309 01:05:34,767 --> 01:05:37,834 As a parent, you're expecting your child to play football, 1310 01:05:37,836 --> 01:05:40,669 you're expecting your child to talk you know? 1311 01:05:41,772 --> 01:05:43,838 I mean, right now, my number one goal 1312 01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:45,974 right now is to have my son say I love you. 1313 01:05:45,976 --> 01:05:50,011 I mean people take that for granted. 1314 01:05:53,149 --> 01:05:55,983 People take that for granted that their kids can talk 1315 01:05:55,985 --> 01:05:57,784 and say I love you. That's all I want to hear my son say, 1316 01:05:57,786 --> 01:06:00,419 but I mean if I can hear him say that, 1317 01:06:00,421 --> 01:06:02,454 I'll be more than happy. He said it one time on CNN: 1318 01:06:02,456 --> 01:06:04,376 I la loo. He was really close! 1319 01:06:04,757 --> 01:06:07,124 I gotta hear it. If he says that, 1320 01:06:07,126 --> 01:06:08,625 I've already conquered the world. 1321 01:06:09,060 --> 01:06:10,593 Seeing your child suffer: 1322 01:06:10,594 --> 01:06:12,127 There's nothing worse than that; 1323 01:06:12,128 --> 01:06:13,661 There's no torture worse than that. 1324 01:06:13,664 --> 01:06:15,697 Especially every day. 1325 01:06:20,503 --> 01:06:24,137 Now is not the time to send a message to our young 1326 01:06:24,139 --> 01:06:28,106 people that marijuana is medicine. It is not. 1327 01:06:28,108 --> 01:06:31,542 It is a dangerous, illegal drug. 1328 01:06:31,544 --> 01:06:33,977 Is it legitimate for any human on the face of 1329 01:06:33,979 --> 01:06:37,213 planet earth to deny another human the thing that 1330 01:06:37,215 --> 01:06:41,583 will remove him from that infinite torture chamber? 1331 01:06:41,585 --> 01:06:44,619 No. It is not acceptable. 1332 01:06:44,621 --> 01:06:48,755 It is utterly and completely im-moral. 1333 01:06:48,757 --> 01:06:50,857 I'm not allowed to do this 1334 01:06:50,859 --> 01:06:52,758 because someone says I can't. 1335 01:06:53,961 --> 01:06:55,460 And that person never met me, 1336 01:06:55,462 --> 01:06:57,618 they're never likely to meet me... 1337 01:06:57,619 --> 01:06:59,775 they're never likely to meet someone with MS, 1338 01:06:59,776 --> 01:07:01,932 Parkinson's, cancer-and yet they can have total rule 1339 01:07:01,934 --> 01:07:04,467 over that entity's life. 1340 01:07:04,469 --> 01:07:05,801 This is pretty much the only time 1341 01:07:05,803 --> 01:07:08,904 that I'm gonna be lost for words. I just - 1342 01:07:08,906 --> 01:07:12,173 the justifications still not been explained to me. 1343 01:07:13,009 --> 01:07:15,576 Should marijuana be legalized for medical use? 1344 01:07:15,578 --> 01:07:18,078 Aren't there issues of significance that you'd like 1345 01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:22,082 to talk about? The economy, the economy, the economy, 1346 01:07:22,084 --> 01:07:26,218 the growth of jobs, the need to put people back to work 1347 01:07:26,220 --> 01:07:29,154 the challenges of Iran? We've got enormous issues 1348 01:07:29,156 --> 01:07:31,589 that we face. But you wanna talk. Go aheadyou wanna 1349 01:07:31,591 --> 01:07:32,656 talk about. 1350 01:07:32,658 --> 01:07:34,308 Medical marijuana 1351 01:07:34,309 --> 01:07:35,959 I think marijuana should not be legal in this country 1352 01:07:35,961 --> 01:07:37,660 I believe it's a gateway drug... 1353 01:07:37,662 --> 01:07:41,597 Marijuana is still a schedule I drug meaning 1354 01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:46,568 legally that it has no medical usefulness whatsoever 1355 01:07:46,570 --> 01:07:50,905 and benzodiazepines like Valium and Xanax and Klonopin 1356 01:07:50,907 --> 01:07:53,807 are are actually schedule IV drugs even though they put 1357 01:07:53,809 --> 01:07:56,876 put significantly more people in the emergency room 1358 01:07:56,878 --> 01:07:58,644 every year and cause even more deaths 1359 01:07:58,646 --> 01:08:01,580 than many Schedule I drugs. 1360 01:08:01,582 --> 01:08:04,783 Many attempts have been made to move cannabis 1361 01:08:04,785 --> 01:08:07,886 out of of Schedule I and ...they always fail. 1362 01:08:07,888 --> 01:08:10,188 How can the United States government claim that there's 1363 01:08:10,190 --> 01:08:12,957 no medical usefulness to cannabis while then patenting 1364 01:08:12,959 --> 01:08:14,992 the medical usefulness of cannabis? 1365 01:08:14,994 --> 01:08:17,527 It was a shocking idea that the federal government- 1366 01:08:17,529 --> 01:08:20,196 the Department of Health and Human Services 1367 01:08:20,198 --> 01:08:22,831 had a patent on cannabinoids as antioxidants and 1368 01:08:22,833 --> 01:08:25,166 neuroprotectants, heart disease and diabetes, 1369 01:08:25,168 --> 01:08:29,170 Alzheimer's and Huntington's, and includes cataracts and. 1370 01:08:29,172 --> 01:08:33,774 Down's syndrome as well as neoplasia. It really speaks 1371 01:08:33,776 --> 01:08:36,610 to the depth of the problem in terms of who's making 1372 01:08:36,612 --> 01:08:39,045 these decisions and who are they benefitting? 1373 01:08:39,047 --> 01:08:40,980 We need to get to the truth which is that 1374 01:08:40,982 --> 01:08:44,950 prescription drugs kill vast numbers of people. 1375 01:08:44,952 --> 01:08:48,887 Prescription drugs have a higher rate of overdose 1376 01:08:48,889 --> 01:08:51,322 than even things we think of as being horrific like 1377 01:08:51,324 --> 01:08:53,957 methamphetamine, heroin... 1378 01:08:54,092 --> 01:08:56,058 The number of people who are killed by heroin and 1379 01:08:56,060 --> 01:09:01,896 cocaine is tiny, tiny, just miniscule, microscopic 1380 01:09:01,898 --> 01:09:03,931 by comparison with the number of people who are killed 1381 01:09:03,933 --> 01:09:06,800 every year by prescription drugs. Let's look at the facts; 1382 01:09:06,802 --> 01:09:10,003 Let's not listen to the bullshit anymore. 1383 01:09:10,005 --> 01:09:13,006 Suspected drug overdoses are rising at an alarming 1384 01:09:13,008 --> 01:09:14,941 rate in Haywood County. 1385 01:09:14,942 --> 01:09:16,875 And it's not illegal drugs officials are worried about 1386 01:09:16,878 --> 01:09:19,211 but prescription drugs. 1387 01:09:19,213 --> 01:09:21,613 It's being described as an epidemic. Authorities say 1388 01:09:21,615 --> 01:09:24,983 too many young people are dying accidental deaths. 1389 01:09:24,985 --> 01:09:27,852 The fifth or sixth top selling drugs in North America 1390 01:09:27,854 --> 01:09:30,988 are antipsychotics which we're giving out like candy 1391 01:09:30,990 --> 01:09:33,156 now to people, including children. 1392 01:09:33,925 --> 01:09:36,625 At Vancouver's Children's Hospital they've had to 1393 01:09:36,627 --> 01:09:38,693 establish a special clinic just to deal with the 1394 01:09:38,695 --> 01:09:40,628 effects of antipsychotics in kids. 1395 01:09:40,630 --> 01:09:43,964 I recently lost my father two years ago and we were 1396 01:09:43,966 --> 01:09:47,634 really close and so it was like having the rug pulled 1397 01:09:47,636 --> 01:09:50,770 out from underneath me and I started to see a therapist 1398 01:09:50,772 --> 01:09:53,939 and a psychiatrist because I was experiencing these 1399 01:09:53,941 --> 01:09:57,208 panic attacks and at least fifteen medications 1400 01:09:57,210 --> 01:09:59,427 I was written, you know, 1401 01:09:59,428 --> 01:10:01,645 within two minutes of meeting, one of the psychiatrists 1402 01:10:01,647 --> 01:10:05,281 she called me bipolar II and wrote a diagnosis of it 1403 01:10:05,283 --> 01:10:08,050 without even knowing me, you know? 1404 01:10:08,052 --> 01:10:09,851 What I really needed was a fuckin' hug. 1405 01:10:09,853 --> 01:10:13,287 In 2010, doctors prescribed enough painkillers to give 1406 01:10:13,289 --> 01:10:16,923 45 milligram Percocets and 245-milligram Vicodins 1407 01:10:16,925 --> 01:10:20,092 to every person in the United States. 1408 01:10:20,928 --> 01:10:25,096 It's a huge industry creating pills for us to take. 1409 01:10:25,098 --> 01:10:27,932 Most of the time, they're not really anything that's 1410 01:10:27,934 --> 01:10:30,634 curing you, they're just suppressing whatever your 1411 01:10:30,636 --> 01:10:34,938 ailment is and in some cases making it worse. 1412 01:10:34,940 --> 01:10:36,940 In depressed patients, worsening of depression 1413 01:10:36,942 --> 01:10:39,075 including risk of suicide may occur. 1414 01:10:39,077 --> 01:10:41,644 Sometimes fatal events including infections 1415 01:10:41,646 --> 01:10:43,912 tuberculosis, lymphoma, other cancers. 1416 01:10:43,914 --> 01:10:46,147 Blisters, peeling rashes, hives or mouth sores. 1417 01:10:46,149 --> 01:10:48,015 Nervous system and blood disorders 1418 01:10:48,017 --> 01:10:50,097 and allergic reactions have occurred. 1419 01:10:51,052 --> 01:10:54,987 The makers of OxyContin have marketed it as a 1420 01:10:54,989 --> 01:10:59,324 non- or less-addictive opiate, knowing already 1421 01:10:59,326 --> 01:11:02,894 that this wasn't true. They simply suppressed that research. 1422 01:11:02,896 --> 01:11:05,930 Hundreds of overdose deaths. They plea-bargained and 1423 01:11:05,932 --> 01:11:08,332 they agreed to pay fines. Well, they could pay that 1424 01:11:08,334 --> 01:11:12,435 out of their left hip pocket. Nobody went to jail, 1425 01:11:12,437 --> 01:11:15,171 nobody suffered any criminal consequences. 1426 01:11:15,173 --> 01:11:17,239 If you read the small print, you'll find that there's 1427 01:11:17,241 --> 01:11:19,341 side-effects to certain drugs but you've got to really 1428 01:11:19,343 --> 01:11:21,793 get your microscope out. 1429 01:11:21,794 --> 01:11:24,244 I see this all the time with friends-even with peers- 1430 01:11:24,247 --> 01:11:27,715 where they carry a diagnosis and they can't pronounce it. 1431 01:11:27,717 --> 01:11:30,384 They don't know what the disease they have is called. 1432 01:11:30,386 --> 01:11:33,120 They take drugs and they don't know what the medication is 1433 01:11:33,122 --> 01:11:36,123 or what it could potentially do to their body. 1434 01:11:36,125 --> 01:11:38,925 All kinda pills and medicine and bullshit that 1435 01:11:38,927 --> 01:11:41,761 they can't pronounce; Makin' money off your ass. 1436 01:11:41,763 --> 01:11:43,796 Fuckin' you up with more medicine than you need. 1437 01:11:43,798 --> 01:11:46,031 There's people strung out on those pills, man. 1438 01:11:46,033 --> 01:11:48,867 Chief medical examiner Glenn Wagner says he's noticed 1439 01:11:48,869 --> 01:11:51,336 a big rise in the quantity of different drugs 1440 01:11:51,338 --> 01:11:54,389 people are taking. 1441 01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:57,441 This shopping bag represents one individual and the 1442 01:11:57,443 --> 01:12:02,112 number of drugs that that person had onboard. 1443 01:12:08,753 --> 01:12:12,221 There are 19 separate lines on this one and it 1444 01:12:12,223 --> 01:12:13,956 goes for several pages. 1445 01:12:13,958 --> 01:12:16,391 People don't look at them as drugs anymore when 1446 01:12:16,393 --> 01:12:19,293 they're legal-when they're over the counter. They just 1447 01:12:19,295 --> 01:12:21,962 look at it as somethin' you can buy from the store and 1448 01:12:21,964 --> 01:12:24,464 put in your body, but it's still a drug. 1449 01:12:24,466 --> 01:12:29,068 Unintentional deaths from one dies 1450 01:12:29,070 --> 01:12:33,739 - one American dies. - Every 19 minutes. 1451 01:12:33,741 --> 01:12:37,008 Nothing comparable in marijuana. Is that correct? 1452 01:12:37,010 --> 01:12:39,227 Correct. 1453 01:12:39,228 --> 01:12:41,445 Well, when you've got a drug that costs a billion 1454 01:12:41,447 --> 01:12:44,347 dollars to bring to market, your investment is so 1455 01:12:44,349 --> 01:12:49,317 huge that you have to do everything in your power 1456 01:12:49,319 --> 01:12:53,187 to make sure that drug succeeds and sometimes the 1457 01:12:53,189 --> 01:12:56,089 things that you do are troubling. 1458 01:12:56,091 --> 01:12:59,826 There are some pharmaceutical products today that are 1459 01:12:59,828 --> 01:13:04,463 in short demand because the profit margin isn't big enough. 1460 01:13:04,465 --> 01:13:06,965 Just how tough is it to find the flu shot, Jocelyn? 1461 01:13:06,967 --> 01:13:09,334 Sonia, Darren, you'll have to make a couple of calls, 1462 01:13:09,336 --> 01:13:12,470 and those that do have it only have a limited supply. 1463 01:13:12,472 --> 01:13:15,306 I mean, this happens every year when there's a bad flu 1464 01:13:15,308 --> 01:13:17,541 and there's shortages of vaccines, right, because 1465 01:13:17,543 --> 01:13:21,011 there's not really a big profit motive tied to flu vaccines 1466 01:13:21,013 --> 01:13:24,014 it's a single dose and you move on. Unlike something 1467 01:13:24,016 --> 01:13:27,951 like Viagra or especially things like cholesterol 1468 01:13:27,953 --> 01:13:31,087 medication, heart medication. Maintenance medications 1469 01:13:31,089 --> 01:13:32,922 that people who are ill have to stay on 1470 01:13:32,924 --> 01:13:35,024 in order to live normal lives. 1471 01:13:35,226 --> 01:13:38,961 If you don't need that medication, you don't need them 1472 01:13:38,963 --> 01:13:41,463 they take a dent in the pockets, you know what I mean; 1473 01:13:41,465 --> 01:13:45,200 Those are very deep pockets and they don't want 'em dented. 1474 01:13:45,202 --> 01:13:49,170 So every night on TV you see a weird-ass drug commercial 1475 01:13:49,172 --> 01:13:52,940 tryin' to get you hooked on some legal shit 1476 01:13:52,942 --> 01:13:55,909 and they just keep naming symptoms till they get one that 1477 01:13:55,911 --> 01:13:59,512 you've fucking got! Got athlete's foot? Are ya hot? 1478 01:13:59,514 --> 01:14:03,249 Are ya cold? Whatcha got? You want this pill 1479 01:14:03,251 --> 01:14:06,452 huh, motherfucker? Ya got to take this pill! 1480 01:14:06,454 --> 01:14:09,254 Prescription drugs being advertised and marketed 1481 01:14:09,256 --> 01:14:12,123 on television is certainly something that's happened 1482 01:14:12,125 --> 01:14:14,959 in my lifetime as a physician. 1483 01:14:14,961 --> 01:14:17,494 They're saying things like 'ask your doctor if 1484 01:14:17,496 --> 01:14:19,229 this drug is right for you.' 1485 01:14:19,231 --> 01:14:21,264 Ask your doctor if Humira can work for you... 1486 01:14:21,266 --> 01:14:23,866 Ask your doctor if Lunesta is right for you. 1487 01:14:23,868 --> 01:14:26,301 Ask your doctor about Cymbalta. 1488 01:14:26,303 --> 01:14:29,470 Do you get a weird pain in your bowel? Well then you 1489 01:14:29,472 --> 01:14:31,371 need to go to a doctor and you need to tell him that 1490 01:14:31,373 --> 01:14:34,273 this is the drug you need. So hurry up! There's your 1491 01:14:34,275 --> 01:14:36,608 check, there's my prescription, it's a transaction. 1492 01:14:36,610 --> 01:14:40,311 I'm not a drug addict! How dare you? I'm a patient. 1493 01:14:40,313 --> 01:14:43,914 In every other industrialized Western country, you don't 1494 01:14:43,916 --> 01:14:46,349 see ads for drugs. You go to your doctor, you tell 1495 01:14:46,351 --> 01:14:48,551 your doctor what you're dealing with, they're well- 1496 01:14:48,553 --> 01:14:50,619 informed about the drugs that are on the market and they 1497 01:14:50,621 --> 01:14:52,854 make a recommendation for you. 1498 01:14:52,856 --> 01:14:54,622 I remember these commercials and they looked so happy 1499 01:14:54,624 --> 01:14:57,858 and I remember thinking, oh my God, there's a pill that 1500 01:14:57,860 --> 01:14:59,560 you can take to make yourself happy? 1501 01:14:59,562 --> 01:15:01,602 Like how fucking awesome would that be? 1502 01:15:02,464 --> 01:15:05,998 If you got somebody makin' a commercial sayin', 1503 01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:07,522 oh, do you have these problems, 1504 01:15:07,523 --> 01:15:09,045 do you have these problems? 1505 01:15:09,046 --> 01:15:10,568 You're gonna relate to it like, oh yeah, that is me! 1506 01:15:10,571 --> 01:15:12,654 Maybe I do need that. 1507 01:15:12,655 --> 01:15:14,738 It's really frustrating to me that as a society we 1508 01:15:14,741 --> 01:15:18,042 don't know better at this point. They're telling you 1509 01:15:18,044 --> 01:15:21,478 that you can take this medicine, but risk literally 1510 01:15:21,480 --> 01:15:23,480 killing yourself to do it! 1511 01:15:23,482 --> 01:15:28,150 For me, it reinforces our cultural belief that if you 1512 01:15:28,152 --> 01:15:31,253 go to a doctor, if you don't get a prescription, 1513 01:15:31,255 --> 01:15:33,388 you haven't really had a valid encounter. 1514 01:15:33,390 --> 01:15:36,057 One study by a British medical journal found that 1515 01:15:36,059 --> 01:15:38,325 for every dollar that pharmaceutical companies spent 1516 01:15:38,327 --> 01:15:40,694 on R and D -research & development-they spend 1517 01:15:40,696 --> 01:15:44,164 19 dollars on promotion and marketing of their drugs. 1518 01:15:44,166 --> 01:15:46,766 If I go to my doctor and I say, 'I saw this ad for this drug; 1519 01:15:46,768 --> 01:15:49,135 I really would like to try it, ' and he 1520 01:15:49,137 --> 01:15:51,237 says, 'yeah, let's give it a shot, ' is he my doctor, 1521 01:15:51,239 --> 01:15:53,372 or is he my drug dealer? 1522 01:15:54,074 --> 01:15:55,440 They form groups like. 1523 01:15:55,442 --> 01:15:57,175 Partnership for a Drug Free America 1524 01:15:57,177 --> 01:15:59,110 where they get their fucking money 1525 01:15:59,112 --> 01:16:00,361 from prescription drugs! 1526 01:16:00,362 --> 01:16:02,162 I wish you didn't smoke weed. 1527 01:16:04,316 --> 01:16:08,284 You're not the same when you smoke, and I miss my friend. 1528 01:16:08,419 --> 01:16:11,453 Prescription drugs making 1529 01:16:11,455 --> 01:16:13,721 commercials against weed is like hookers making 1530 01:16:13,723 --> 01:16:16,323 commercials against strippers, I mean that's... 1531 01:16:16,325 --> 01:16:18,024 (it would of been better if I didn't stumble through 1532 01:16:18,026 --> 01:16:20,593 (the word commercial), but that's what it is! 1533 01:16:20,595 --> 01:16:23,329 Guess what. All of the big drug companies have used 1534 01:16:23,331 --> 01:16:26,498 corruption in North America for at least 50 years. 1535 01:16:26,500 --> 01:16:29,667 If you were a doctor, they will come to you and say, 1536 01:16:29,669 --> 01:16:33,370 I will pay you to participate in a conference 1537 01:16:33,372 --> 01:16:35,805 on the phone-it will only take a half an hour of your time. 1538 01:16:35,807 --> 01:16:40,242 Well, guess what the conference is. It is a drug 1539 01:16:40,244 --> 01:16:45,446 company salesman selling you on the latest drug 1540 01:16:45,448 --> 01:16:48,782 to influence you to prescribe that drug the next time 1541 01:16:48,784 --> 01:16:51,651 a patient comes into your office. How are you gonna feel? 1542 01:16:51,653 --> 01:16:54,487 You feel gratitude and your gratitude 1543 01:16:54,489 --> 01:16:57,223 influences your decisions. Nothing should influence 1544 01:16:57,225 --> 01:17:00,659 your decision but what is best for a patient. 1545 01:17:01,194 --> 01:17:04,361 There are pros to having a capitalist endeavor. 1546 01:17:04,363 --> 01:17:07,063 There may be drugs on the market that never would 1547 01:17:07,065 --> 01:17:09,698 have been available because that profit motive wasn't 1548 01:17:09,700 --> 01:17:12,734 pushing these pharmaceutical companies to try 1549 01:17:12,736 --> 01:17:16,137 and develop those new drugs. The problem is that it's 1550 01:17:16,139 --> 01:17:19,840 it's not really a free there's, like, a small 1551 01:17:19,842 --> 01:17:22,175 percentage of pharmaceutical companies that are really 1552 01:17:22,177 --> 01:17:25,578 propped up by our Congress people because they have 1553 01:17:25,580 --> 01:17:27,346 huge lobbies supporting them. 1554 01:17:27,348 --> 01:17:31,350 I recently received a notification of the top 100 1555 01:17:31,352 --> 01:17:33,719 pharmaceutical drugs and how much they made a year 1556 01:17:33,721 --> 01:17:36,188 and you see exactly what all the frenzy is about. 1557 01:17:36,190 --> 01:17:39,291 In 2012, the top-11 global drug companies 1558 01:17:39,293 --> 01:17:44,128 made nearly 85 billion dollars in net profits. 1559 01:17:44,463 --> 01:17:48,498 Just an ungodly amount of money for medicines that 1560 01:17:48,500 --> 01:17:52,201 many of which my patients have been able to stop with 1561 01:17:52,203 --> 01:17:55,270 something that can grow in their backyard. 1562 01:17:55,405 --> 01:17:58,205 Now, look, I was in bed for fifteen years with an 1563 01:17:58,207 --> 01:18:02,175 extremely serious illness. I believe in the importance 1564 01:18:02,177 --> 01:18:06,212 of the major drug companies. Does that mean I believe 1565 01:18:06,214 --> 01:18:11,450 in their right to push research that they've paid for 1566 01:18:11,452 --> 01:18:15,587 into peer-reviewed journals and to prevent research 1567 01:18:15,589 --> 01:18:18,690 that tends to indicate that their drugs don't work? 1568 01:18:18,692 --> 01:18:20,825 There's a case to be made for these pharmaceuticals 1569 01:18:20,827 --> 01:18:23,194 there's the appropriate use of all kinds of medications 1570 01:18:23,196 --> 01:18:26,597 including antidepressants, including antipsychotics, 1571 01:18:26,599 --> 01:18:29,366 but it's hard to make a rational case for the use 1572 01:18:29,368 --> 01:18:32,202 to the extent that they're employed in today's society. 1573 01:18:32,204 --> 01:18:35,872 So, once more, we're faced with the arbitrariness of 1574 01:18:35,874 --> 01:18:37,540 what we consider to be 1575 01:18:37,542 --> 01:18:39,575 acceptable and what is 1576 01:18:39,577 --> 01:18:40,576 unacceptable. 1577 01:18:42,813 --> 01:18:43,912 This seems to be information 1578 01:18:43,914 --> 01:18:46,681 that society could benefit from. 1579 01:18:47,450 --> 01:18:48,849 But how has this vital knowledge managed 1580 01:18:48,851 --> 01:18:51,751 to fly under radars for so long? 1581 01:18:52,253 --> 01:18:53,885 Why are these issues not making their way 1582 01:18:53,887 --> 01:18:56,420 to the forefront of concern in our news? 1583 01:18:56,588 --> 01:18:58,788 So a lot of people make the mistake of thinking that 1584 01:18:58,790 --> 01:19:02,224 the news stations are gonna cover things in the order 1585 01:19:02,226 --> 01:19:04,926 of importance, but in reality they cover them 1586 01:19:04,928 --> 01:19:08,362 in the order of ratings. So if Justin Bieber 1587 01:19:08,364 --> 01:19:09,429 is gonna give you the best ratings, 1588 01:19:09,431 --> 01:19:11,330 they're gonna go first. 1589 01:19:11,332 --> 01:19:13,265 Congressman, let me interrupt you just for a moment. 1590 01:19:13,267 --> 01:19:15,667 We've got some breaking news out of Miami-stand by 1591 01:19:15,669 --> 01:19:19,437 if you will. Right now, in Miami, Justin Bieber has 1592 01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:21,672 has been arrested on a number of charges. 1593 01:19:21,674 --> 01:19:23,707 You gotta sell whatever it is that wants to advertise 1594 01:19:23,709 --> 01:19:26,609 on your show and if your show is getting shitty ratings, 1595 01:19:26,611 --> 01:19:29,178 they're gonna replace you with a chick with big tits. 1596 01:19:29,180 --> 01:19:30,779 Hey, starting the news off tonight: 1597 01:19:30,781 --> 01:19:33,581 A motherfucker killed three people. We got my guy. 1598 01:19:33,583 --> 01:19:35,482 Hal Fishman standing outside right now. Hal, what's going on? 1599 01:19:35,484 --> 01:19:37,817 'Yeah, the nigga shot three people' 1600 01:19:37,819 --> 01:19:40,486 and blah, blah, blah. That's more attractive! 1601 01:19:40,488 --> 01:19:42,321 Yeah, I don't watch the news; The news is fuckin' depressing. 1602 01:19:42,323 --> 01:19:46,324 They pick the worst shit to follow 1603 01:19:46,326 --> 01:19:47,858 for a long-ass amount of time. 1604 01:19:47,860 --> 01:19:49,826 You think they give a fuck if Barack Obama was 1605 01:19:49,828 --> 01:19:52,461 born in Kenya? They do if it's a good story. 1606 01:19:52,463 --> 01:19:53,895 Because it means that two million people are gonna 1607 01:19:53,897 --> 01:19:55,763 tune in instead of 600,000. 1608 01:19:55,765 --> 01:19:56,864 Then you get people coming out saying, 1609 01:19:56,866 --> 01:19:58,565 'well, what about nuclear bombs? 1610 01:19:58,567 --> 01:20:01,301 That's a good point! We'll be back after this.' 1611 01:20:01,303 --> 01:20:03,569 They're gonna be able to sell advertisement for X-amount 1612 01:20:03,571 --> 01:20:04,870 of money instead of W. 1613 01:20:04,872 --> 01:20:06,905 That kinda shit happens everyday all day 1614 01:20:06,907 --> 01:20:09,374 it's just a matter of which one do they want to put 1615 01:20:09,376 --> 01:20:10,408 the most attention on? 1616 01:20:10,410 --> 01:20:12,510 There's skydiving cats! 1617 01:20:12,512 --> 01:20:14,945 ¶ I believe I can fly..¶ 1618 01:20:20,585 --> 01:20:23,719 In all that froth, I think serious debate around 1619 01:20:23,721 --> 01:20:26,722 key policy issues often gets lost. 1620 01:20:26,724 --> 01:20:28,323 That's the problem with current affairs! 1621 01:20:28,325 --> 01:20:30,625 You forget about what's important and you allow the 1622 01:20:30,627 --> 01:20:33,661 agenda to be decided by superficial information. 1623 01:20:33,663 --> 01:20:35,462 Everybody cares about the advertisers. 1624 01:20:35,464 --> 01:20:37,263 They care a tremendous amount. 1625 01:20:37,265 --> 01:20:39,431 If you're gonna do a story that affects the advertisers, 1626 01:20:39,433 --> 01:20:42,834 you will get a call from management. Now, it doesn't 1627 01:20:42,836 --> 01:20:46,404 mean you can't do the story although there is heavy 1628 01:20:46,406 --> 01:20:49,540 pressure to shift priorities within the story. 1629 01:20:49,542 --> 01:20:52,609 It's fucking ridiculous! Puttin' makeup on 1630 01:20:52,611 --> 01:20:54,711 and pretending they're not reading off a script that's 1631 01:20:54,713 --> 01:20:58,481 corporate approved. They have a very specific set of 1632 01:20:58,483 --> 01:21:00,950 parameters that they're supposed to fall into. 1633 01:21:00,952 --> 01:21:03,786 It's OK, you can admit it if you've bought an item or 1634 01:21:03,788 --> 01:21:05,988 two or ten for yourself. 1635 01:21:05,990 --> 01:21:08,690 It's OK, you can admit it if you've bought an item or 1636 01:21:08,692 --> 01:21:11,659 two or maybe... ten for yourself... 1637 01:21:11,661 --> 01:21:14,028 It's OK, you can admit it if you've bought an item or 1638 01:21:14,030 --> 01:21:15,963 two or ten for yourself. 1639 01:21:20,602 --> 01:21:24,270 Originally, when TV first started, news was seen as 1640 01:21:24,272 --> 01:21:25,971 something that was a public service so that you 1641 01:21:25,973 --> 01:21:28,506 informed the American people. The deal was: 1642 01:21:28,508 --> 01:21:31,575 You give us news and we give you the public airwaves 1643 01:21:31,577 --> 01:21:33,977 and then at some point along the lines, the TV stations 1644 01:21:33,979 --> 01:21:36,813 forgot that they weren't supposed to make money off 1645 01:21:36,815 --> 01:21:38,981 the news and then a second thing kicked in that's 1646 01:21:38,983 --> 01:21:41,750 they realized whenever they did 1647 01:21:41,752 --> 01:21:43,585 investigative reporting, they would uncover something 1648 01:21:43,587 --> 01:21:45,353 that the government was doing wrong and it'd be 1649 01:21:45,355 --> 01:21:47,005 a giant hassle. 1650 01:21:47,006 --> 01:21:48,656 You're supposed to question authority as a journalist. 1651 01:21:48,658 --> 01:21:50,524 That's the whole point of the media. 1652 01:21:50,526 --> 01:21:52,859 If you don't question authority, then what the hell 1653 01:21:52,861 --> 01:21:57,029 is the point? CNN just got rid of its investigative team. 1654 01:21:57,031 --> 01:21:59,831 When I was at MSNBC, I looked for an investigative 1655 01:21:59,833 --> 01:22:01,966 reporter to do some of the stories that I wanted 1656 01:22:01,968 --> 01:22:04,568 to cover and they said, 'there isn't one in the 1657 01:22:04,570 --> 01:22:07,737 building.' So I got this amazing speech from the 1658 01:22:07,739 --> 01:22:10,806 head of the network who said, 'look, outsiders are 1659 01:22:10,808 --> 01:22:13,441 they wear leather jackets and 1660 01:22:13,443 --> 01:22:15,843 they ride motorcycles, ' he said, 'but, we're insiders here 1661 01:22:15,845 --> 01:22:18,645 at NBC; We're part of the establishment and you have to 1662 01:22:18,647 --> 01:22:20,713 act like it.' He was telling me that he had just 1663 01:22:20,715 --> 01:22:23,816 gone to Washington and they were not happy with my tone. 1664 01:22:23,818 --> 01:22:26,318 Do you think all these corporations and rich folks 1665 01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:28,853 are spending money on politics because it's not good 1666 01:22:28,855 --> 01:22:31,989 for business? No! Obviously they think it's a great 1667 01:22:31,991 --> 01:22:33,857 investment for them. 1668 01:22:33,859 --> 01:22:37,093 I was challenging the Republicans and the Democrats 1669 01:22:37,095 --> 01:22:38,778 too much. 1670 01:22:38,779 --> 01:22:40,462 How about if we didn't go into that dumbass war in 1671 01:22:40,465 --> 01:22:44,066 Iraq and waste a trillion dollars when we found 1672 01:22:44,068 --> 01:22:45,834 zero weapons of mass destruction. You flushed 1673 01:22:45,836 --> 01:22:47,236 that down the toilet! 1674 01:22:47,237 --> 01:22:48,637 We're talking social security not your politics! 1675 01:22:48,638 --> 01:22:50,038 And now you're talking about robbing people's social security! 1676 01:22:50,039 --> 01:22:51,439 That is outrageous! 1677 01:22:51,441 --> 01:22:53,707 Not your contempt for America, we're talking about 1678 01:22:53,709 --> 01:22:55,109 social security. Stick to the topic! 1679 01:22:55,110 --> 01:22:57,977 Contempt for America? You lost 4400 American lives 1680 01:22:57,979 --> 01:23:00,579 in Iraq! You have contempt for America! 1681 01:23:00,581 --> 01:23:03,748 I remember taking several guests to task 1682 01:23:03,750 --> 01:23:07,051 saying all of our politicians are systematically corrupt. 1683 01:23:07,053 --> 01:23:10,721 They get legalized bribes which we 1684 01:23:10,723 --> 01:23:13,757 call donations. We've forgot- tten that they're in essence 1685 01:23:13,759 --> 01:23:16,426 just bribes. Who's gonna give you money for nothing? 1686 01:23:16,428 --> 01:23:18,528 No one right? They're gonna give you money so that 1687 01:23:18,530 --> 01:23:21,864 you do them a favor. Every time I would point that out 1688 01:23:21,866 --> 01:23:24,032 there'd again be a call from management like, 1689 01:23:24,034 --> 01:23:26,634 'hey, we're not saying you can't do that. On the other hand 1690 01:23:26,636 --> 01:23:28,602 if you'd like to keep the six o'clock slot...' 1691 01:23:28,604 --> 01:23:30,403 But in that one meeting that I had 1692 01:23:30,405 --> 01:23:32,739 with the head of of the network, it was no longer implicit. 1693 01:23:32,741 --> 01:23:34,540 It was explicit and he said, 1694 01:23:34,542 --> 01:23:37,543 'this is the reality and you either get back in line 1695 01:23:37,545 --> 01:23:39,578 or we go in a different direction.' 1696 01:23:39,580 --> 01:23:41,212 If anything, I went harder after the establishment 1697 01:23:41,214 --> 01:23:42,646 after that. 1698 01:23:42,648 --> 01:23:45,548 They sucked so much money out of the 1699 01:23:45,550 --> 01:23:48,684 system that we had one of the largest economic crashes 1700 01:23:48,686 --> 01:23:52,087 of all time and they're not even done yet! 1701 01:23:52,089 --> 01:23:54,589 And then, a couple months later, they called me in 1702 01:23:54,591 --> 01:23:56,223 and they're like, 'apparently you didn't get it!' 1703 01:23:56,225 --> 01:23:59,526 So, you were at six o'clock; We're moving you 1704 01:23:59,528 --> 01:24:00,693 from six o'clock to the weekends; 1705 01:24:00,695 --> 01:24:02,828 We're gonna pay you a ton of money 1706 01:24:02,829 --> 01:24:04,962 so hush up' and I said thanks but no thanks. 1707 01:24:04,965 --> 01:24:07,899 I didn't take the weekend job and I went back to 1708 01:24:07,901 --> 01:24:09,901 do the Young Turks online. 1709 01:24:10,803 --> 01:24:12,536 We have three branches of government, 1710 01:24:12,538 --> 01:24:14,104 and those three branches are supposed to be part 1711 01:24:14,106 --> 01:24:16,873 of the checks and balances that make the government work. 1712 01:24:17,675 --> 01:24:20,676 The media and journalists are a huge part of that. I mean, 1713 01:24:20,678 --> 01:24:22,244 you think Americans are complacent now? 1714 01:24:22,246 --> 01:24:24,813 They'll be even more complacent if they're not given 1715 01:24:24,815 --> 01:24:28,116 the information they need to be politically active. 1716 01:24:37,559 --> 01:24:39,225 Drama works on television. 1717 01:24:39,227 --> 01:24:41,827 Now, in the world of politics, the soap opera is. 1718 01:24:41,829 --> 01:24:45,096 Democrats versus Republicans. It's not who's right 1719 01:24:45,098 --> 01:24:49,966 in terms of the policies or ideology. What is easy is: 1720 01:24:49,968 --> 01:24:53,169 He said this, she said that; Isn't that amazing? 1721 01:24:53,171 --> 01:24:55,304 Look at the Democrats and Republicans, they're always 1722 01:24:55,306 --> 01:24:57,539 fighting... oh no, look at this: the Republicans are 1723 01:24:57,541 --> 01:25:00,041 fighting amongst themselves. Catfights sell. 1724 01:25:00,043 --> 01:25:01,976 Which is why you have the red team and the blue team, 1725 01:25:01,978 --> 01:25:04,645 you know, all over the world it's red team-blue team. 1726 01:25:04,647 --> 01:25:06,213 And they have these rigid ideologies that are 1727 01:25:06,215 --> 01:25:08,949 associated with these teams and they just run with it. 1728 01:25:08,951 --> 01:25:11,685 Find a place where you are surrounded by like-minded 1729 01:25:11,687 --> 01:25:13,853 people and the best way to find those people is you 1730 01:25:13,855 --> 01:25:19,191 should probably look at the maps on how counties voted. 1731 01:25:19,193 --> 01:25:22,093 We think it's a bunch of ideas about how the world 1732 01:25:22,095 --> 01:25:25,329 works and how we can make it better. Sorry, that's not 1733 01:25:25,331 --> 01:25:29,333 really what it is. Ideas are a badge of identity 1734 01:25:29,335 --> 01:25:32,002 they're a badge of identity for a subculture. 1735 01:25:32,004 --> 01:25:35,805 It's my group versus your group and I will make damn 1736 01:25:35,807 --> 01:25:39,708 sure that my representative represents my badge of 1737 01:25:39,710 --> 01:25:44,812 identity, my group's supposed ideas, the ones that 1738 01:25:44,814 --> 01:25:51,351 represent my group's uniform not your group's uniform. 1739 01:25:51,353 --> 01:25:54,287 And there's a lot of seemingly intelligent people 1740 01:25:54,289 --> 01:25:57,890 that have ridiculous ideas that are cleverly worded 1741 01:25:57,892 --> 01:26:00,325 in a nice flowing and confident way 1742 01:26:00,327 --> 01:26:02,226 that makes you think that what they're saying makes sense. 1743 01:26:02,228 --> 01:26:06,696 A lot of work gets done on tobacco whereas drugs 1744 01:26:06,698 --> 01:26:09,999 are pretty much specifically just to get high. 1745 01:26:10,001 --> 01:26:11,700 It's not, I'm enjoying- 1746 01:26:11,702 --> 01:26:14,135 But a lot of people drink to get high... 1747 01:26:14,137 --> 01:26:17,071 Yeah, but that's more of a subsidiary point. 1748 01:26:17,073 --> 01:26:19,339 People are not openly discussing anything, 1749 01:26:19,341 --> 01:26:22,075 they're just defending points of view and in defending 1750 01:26:22,077 --> 01:26:24,811 points of view, they're defending their egos. 1751 01:26:24,813 --> 01:26:27,680 Which means they're expressing the ideas that they think 1752 01:26:27,682 --> 01:26:32,951 others want to hear. Which means they're not thinking! 1753 01:26:32,953 --> 01:26:35,853 So, you can present the facts to people, but the facts 1754 01:26:35,855 --> 01:26:38,255 won't penetrate because it's not about facts, 1755 01:26:38,257 --> 01:26:40,690 it's about opinions they have to hold onto 1756 01:26:40,692 --> 01:26:42,925 in order to feel okay about themselves. 1757 01:26:42,927 --> 01:26:45,093 Potheads that I knew at that time, when I see 'em: 1758 01:26:45,095 --> 01:26:48,963 'Hey man, hey bro, hey what's that? What's going on?' 1759 01:26:48,965 --> 01:26:52,132 Every one of 'em are brain dead! It's fact. 1760 01:26:52,134 --> 01:26:54,200 Everyone that I know in my long history of life, 1761 01:26:54,202 --> 01:26:58,237 everyone that was a pot smoker, their brains are defuncitated! 1762 01:26:58,239 --> 01:27:01,006 Fox News, as we've known for a long time, 1763 01:27:01,008 --> 01:27:03,842 does Republican propaganda. Unfortunately, MSNBC 1764 01:27:03,844 --> 01:27:07,278 has now come to largely do Democratic propaganda. 1765 01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:11,215 CNN does propaganda for both; They say, 'the Republicans said 1766 01:27:11,217 --> 01:27:12,816 this and the Democrats said that. 1767 01:27:12,818 --> 01:27:14,851 Now, what's the truth? Who cares? 1768 01:27:14,853 --> 01:27:17,954 My job is just to tell you what the latest catfight is. 1769 01:27:17,956 --> 01:27:21,424 It creates this partisan division in the country 1770 01:27:21,426 --> 01:27:24,059 where people feel like, 'I have to root for my team 1771 01:27:24,061 --> 01:27:25,960 regardless of what they do.' 1772 01:27:25,962 --> 01:27:27,995 It's sometimes hard to see contradictions 1773 01:27:27,997 --> 01:27:31,431 that find their way into politics. Inconsistencies 1774 01:27:31,433 --> 01:27:33,399 with politicians tend to get lost 1775 01:27:33,401 --> 01:27:34,900 in a mass amount of information 1776 01:27:34,902 --> 01:27:37,022 that now finds its way to our attention. 1777 01:27:38,771 --> 01:27:41,905 In some cases, these contradictions sit right 1778 01:27:41,907 --> 01:27:44,040 in front of our face. 1779 01:27:45,109 --> 01:27:47,876 When you look at the Obama website where they were 1780 01:27:47,878 --> 01:27:50,879 looking for information-what is important to you, 1781 01:27:50,881 --> 01:27:52,747 what do want to see us do? 1782 01:27:52,749 --> 01:27:55,149 I have to say that there was one question that was 1783 01:27:55,151 --> 01:27:58,352 voted on that ranked fairly high and that was 1784 01:27:58,354 --> 01:28:02,322 whether legalizing marijuana would improve the 1785 01:28:02,324 --> 01:28:10,229 economy and job creation and, uh, I don't 1786 01:28:10,231 --> 01:28:14,432 know what this says about the online audience. 1787 01:28:15,802 --> 01:28:17,234 And he goes, 'ha ha, I don't know what that says about 1788 01:28:17,236 --> 01:28:19,703 this group.' What it says about this group is: 1789 01:28:19,705 --> 01:28:22,105 They like pot! Why don't you explain to me what's 1790 01:28:22,107 --> 01:28:26,209 wrong with the idea that people want you to make it 1791 01:28:26,211 --> 01:28:29,779 so that someone doesn't get locked in a fucking cage 1792 01:28:29,781 --> 01:28:31,814 for a forbidden plant? 1793 01:28:31,816 --> 01:28:34,082 Yeah, I did it, I got away with it, too bad you're not. 1794 01:28:34,084 --> 01:28:36,951 So move on to the next question. Look at how 1795 01:28:36,953 --> 01:28:38,819 many of us they're locking up. 1796 01:28:38,821 --> 01:28:40,120 There's nothing funny about it. 1797 01:28:41,123 --> 01:28:43,957 Now, think about how mental the last three 1798 01:28:43,959 --> 01:28:48,327 presidents, at least, confirmed that they in fact 1799 01:28:48,329 --> 01:28:52,030 did smoke marijuana. So, shouldn't they be in jail? 1800 01:28:52,032 --> 01:28:53,998 I mean they've admitted it, right? 1801 01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:56,900 Obama apparently rather enjoyed it. 1802 01:28:56,902 --> 01:28:59,002 It makes him the him the hip President! 'I'm the cool. 1803 01:28:59,004 --> 01:29:00,937 President, I'm the happeningest President 1804 01:29:00,939 --> 01:29:05,508 I say weed, I say blow, it's all a big deal ha ha ha!' 1805 01:29:05,510 --> 01:29:08,811 Huge laugh from the college students and if he had 1806 01:29:08,813 --> 01:29:13,415 done time in prison, time in federal prison, 1807 01:29:13,417 --> 01:29:16,251 time for his weed and a little blow, 1808 01:29:16,253 --> 01:29:20,421 he would not be President of the United States of America. 1809 01:29:20,423 --> 01:29:23,457 This is his quote from 'I'm not going to be 1810 01:29:23,459 --> 01:29:26,226 using Justice department resources to try to 1811 01:29:26,228 --> 01:29:29,963 circumvent state laws on this issue.' 1812 01:29:29,965 --> 01:29:32,832 Well, bullshit, that's exactly what he's been doing. 1813 01:29:32,834 --> 01:29:37,168 He has launched the most vicious attack on medical 1814 01:29:37,170 --> 01:29:40,504 marijuana patients and dispensaries 1815 01:29:40,506 --> 01:29:43,473 that pales Bush by comparison. 1816 01:29:43,475 --> 01:29:46,075 He's raided me. The DEA has been in this house. 1817 01:29:46,077 --> 01:29:48,077 One of the reasons we are making these announcements 1818 01:29:48,079 --> 01:29:51,380 today is to try to put to rest the notion that large 1819 01:29:51,382 --> 01:29:54,483 marijuana businesses can shelter themselves under 1820 01:29:54,485 --> 01:29:56,485 state law and operate without 1821 01:29:56,487 --> 01:29:58,820 fear of federal enforcement. 1822 01:29:59,222 --> 01:30:03,423 In a report issued in June 2013 it was found that the DEA 1823 01:30:03,425 --> 01:30:05,525 had performed 270 medical marijuana raids 1824 01:30:05,527 --> 01:30:08,427 under Barack Obama in the first four and a half years 1825 01:30:08,429 --> 01:30:12,063 of his presidency. This was more than all 12 years combined 1826 01:30:12,065 --> 01:30:13,831 before he took office. 1827 01:30:14,099 --> 01:30:16,999 The Obama administration outspent the Bush administration 1828 01:30:17,001 --> 01:30:21,169 by 100 million dollars in about half the time. 1829 01:30:21,171 --> 01:30:23,204 People get freaked out when you say that. 1830 01:30:23,206 --> 01:30:26,807 'But Obama is hope and change! He's a Democrat; 1831 01:30:26,809 --> 01:30:28,975 He's a good guy! You can't say that about Obama! 1832 01:30:28,977 --> 01:30:30,593 He had a choice... 1833 01:30:30,594 --> 01:30:32,210 he coulda done as his campaign promised and said, 1834 01:30:32,213 --> 01:30:34,246 hey, you know what? We're not gonna do the dispensary 1835 01:30:34,248 --> 01:30:37,215 raids anymore. If you have made medicinal marijuana 1836 01:30:37,217 --> 01:30:38,883 in your legal state, we're gonna respect that.' 1837 01:30:38,885 --> 01:30:40,925 That's what he said during the campaign. 1838 01:30:48,293 --> 01:30:50,960 But when he goes to act, what did he do? 1839 01:30:50,962 --> 01:30:55,830 He put the most right-winger that they had in the DEA, 1840 01:30:55,832 --> 01:30:58,365 who was left over from the Bush years, as the head 1841 01:30:58,367 --> 01:31:01,401 of the DEA. Now, why would you do that? You could have 1842 01:31:01,403 --> 01:31:04,036 picked anybody but you picked the biggest 1843 01:31:04,038 --> 01:31:05,904 right-winger in the department. 1844 01:31:05,906 --> 01:31:07,939 Why? And this is what people can't 1845 01:31:07,941 --> 01:31:10,875 he's a politician just like 1846 01:31:10,877 --> 01:31:13,477 the rest of them so he thinks, 'if I can curry a little 1847 01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:16,480 bit of favor by putting this right-winger in, well, 1848 01:31:16,482 --> 01:31:19,800 I will seem so moderate and that will increase 1849 01:31:19,801 --> 01:31:23,119 my chances of winning in 2012 by maybe half a percent. 1850 01:31:23,121 --> 01:31:25,888 President George W. Bush, who pretty much has 1851 01:31:25,890 --> 01:31:28,223 acknowledged while he was young and irresponsible 1852 01:31:28,225 --> 01:31:29,624 and a playboy, he used cocaine 1853 01:31:29,626 --> 01:31:32,093 and then when he was governor of Texas 1854 01:31:32,095 --> 01:31:35,129 signed legislation mandating anyone 1855 01:31:35,131 --> 01:31:37,531 that uses cocaine must go to jail 1856 01:31:37,533 --> 01:31:39,466 a minimum of 180 days. 1857 01:31:39,468 --> 01:31:42,168 That's beyond hypocrisy. 1858 01:31:42,170 --> 01:31:45,204 When asked about drugs, he said, 'I don't want to 1859 01:31:45,206 --> 01:31:47,606 answer the marijuana question. You know why? 1860 01:31:47,608 --> 01:31:49,728 I don't want young kids doing what I did.' 1861 01:31:51,176 --> 01:31:54,110 Likewise, I mean when you look at interviews 1862 01:31:54,112 --> 01:31:55,344 that have been done with Bill Clinton 1863 01:31:55,346 --> 01:31:58,613 after he left office, he openly admitted 1864 01:31:58,615 --> 01:32:01,315 that he thinks that marijuana should be decriminalized 1865 01:32:01,317 --> 01:32:03,283 and it's like, oh, well if only you were in a position 1866 01:32:03,285 --> 01:32:06,552 to do something about that! 1867 01:32:06,554 --> 01:32:09,155 I wouldn't pretend that I know what pulls a President's 1868 01:32:09,157 --> 01:32:12,024 strings, but I do know there's a stark contrast 1869 01:32:12,026 --> 01:32:16,061 between the way every President behaves before 1870 01:32:16,063 --> 01:32:19,197 they get into office and then once they get into office. 1871 01:32:19,199 --> 01:32:23,433 The general public should hold politicians accountable 1872 01:32:23,435 --> 01:32:26,602 for saying one thing when they're not in power 1873 01:32:26,604 --> 01:32:29,071 and doing another when they come into power. 1874 01:32:29,073 --> 01:32:31,373 There's a sort of rhetorical trick they quite often use 1875 01:32:31,375 --> 01:32:33,441 to say, 'oh, this is something I did in the past, 1876 01:32:33,443 --> 01:32:35,576 it's something I regret, I wouldn't advise anyone else 1877 01:32:35,578 --> 01:32:37,628 to do it.' So, they somehow 1878 01:32:37,629 --> 01:32:39,679 distance themselves from their own person. 1879 01:32:39,682 --> 01:32:42,416 And the public puts up with that hypocrisy 1880 01:32:42,418 --> 01:32:45,085 they get it when you point it out to them, but I don't 1881 01:32:45,087 --> 01:32:46,653 know why they put up with it. 1882 01:32:46,655 --> 01:32:51,290 So it may be that President X or President Y has 1883 01:32:51,292 --> 01:32:54,126 smoked cannabis at some point in their lives or used 1884 01:32:54,128 --> 01:32:57,496 other illegal drugs, but when they get to the top 1885 01:32:57,498 --> 01:33:02,233 they are going to oppress others for using illegal drugs. 1886 01:33:02,235 --> 01:33:04,368 That's an idea that never would have crossed the mind 1887 01:33:04,370 --> 01:33:06,470 of any of our founding fathers. If anyone had stood up 1888 01:33:06,472 --> 01:33:08,338 at a constitutional convention and said 1889 01:33:08,340 --> 01:33:10,373 hey! Let's ban alcohol, ' that idea wouldn't have 1890 01:33:10,375 --> 01:33:12,441 gotten very far and it wouldn't have gotten very far 1891 01:33:12,443 --> 01:33:14,609 not because they were a bunch of drunks, but because 1892 01:33:14,611 --> 01:33:17,578 the idea that the federal government had that degree 1893 01:33:17,580 --> 01:33:21,048 of power over sovereign individuals was anathema to 1894 01:33:21,050 --> 01:33:24,818 what they were trying to create in forming a new country. 1895 01:33:29,457 --> 01:33:32,391 That's why it's essential to make decisions in public 1896 01:33:32,393 --> 01:33:35,627 wherever possible, based on the actual evidence that 1897 01:33:35,629 --> 01:33:37,261 there is for something. 1898 01:33:37,263 --> 01:33:38,729 How else are you going make policy? Are you going to 1899 01:33:38,731 --> 01:33:42,632 base it on some sort of faith? Or a wish that something 1900 01:33:42,634 --> 01:33:44,333 will happen just because you want it to? What are you 1901 01:33:44,335 --> 01:33:46,735 going to do? Stand and sort of scream on the spot 1902 01:33:46,737 --> 01:33:48,436 until you get your way like a small child? 1903 01:33:48,438 --> 01:33:50,237 And that's effectively what some of our politicians 1904 01:33:50,239 --> 01:33:51,738 seem to be doing. 1905 01:33:51,740 --> 01:33:55,174 For six months, I worked as a policy advisor at the 1906 01:33:55,176 --> 01:33:58,076 highest levels of the British civil service, 1907 01:33:58,078 --> 01:34:00,478 working to advise the most senior people 1908 01:34:00,480 --> 01:34:02,096 on the issues of drugs and crime 1909 01:34:02,097 --> 01:34:03,713 and the aim of that was to get an academic in there 1910 01:34:03,716 --> 01:34:05,415 to help give them some evidence 1911 01:34:05,417 --> 01:34:07,717 that they could base their policies on, but I found 1912 01:34:07,719 --> 01:34:09,852 that that was actually quite a difficult job to do. 1913 01:34:09,854 --> 01:34:12,187 Those civil servants told me that they had learnt 1914 01:34:12,189 --> 01:34:14,589 that it was not helpful to use evidence which 1915 01:34:14,591 --> 01:34:17,725 challenges the dominant way of thinking that's already 1916 01:34:17,727 --> 01:34:19,326 structuring most policies. 1917 01:34:19,328 --> 01:34:21,828 It's much easier to take evidence that supports 1918 01:34:21,830 --> 01:34:23,596 what you're already doing 1919 01:34:23,597 --> 01:34:25,363 and use that to justify the continuation 1920 01:34:25,366 --> 01:34:27,632 of your existing policy. 1921 01:34:28,434 --> 01:34:30,834 One of the leading figures in research in Drugs and Policy 1922 01:34:30,836 --> 01:34:32,735 is Professor David Nutt. 1923 01:34:32,737 --> 01:34:36,171 He was the government advisor for the ACMD. 1924 01:34:36,173 --> 01:34:39,641 The ACMD is the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs. 1925 01:34:39,643 --> 01:34:43,411 We had created a 16-point scale of harms and then we 1926 01:34:43,413 --> 01:34:46,847 took twenty drugs and we ranked all those drugs on 1927 01:34:46,849 --> 01:34:49,716 these sixteen different harms, and then when we 1928 01:34:49,718 --> 01:34:51,851 put all that together into this computer program called 1929 01:34:51,853 --> 01:34:55,621 multi-criteria decision analysis, we discovered that 1930 01:34:55,623 --> 01:34:58,590 the most harmful drug overall was alcohol. 1931 01:34:58,592 --> 01:35:01,893 It showed that the drug laws, which ignore the most harmful 1932 01:35:01,895 --> 01:35:04,395 drug, were actually based on a wrong 1933 01:35:04,397 --> 01:35:09,132 understanding of harms. Politicians wanted to get 1934 01:35:09,134 --> 01:35:12,235 some kind of political advantage by being hard 1935 01:35:12,237 --> 01:35:14,770 on cannabis and our study said, 'well hang on, cannabis 1936 01:35:14,772 --> 01:35:17,839 is much, much less harmful than alcohol.' 1937 01:35:18,241 --> 01:35:19,907 I thought I was going to be encouraged 1938 01:35:19,909 --> 01:35:22,809 to tell the scientific truth 1939 01:35:22,811 --> 01:35:24,377 and then suddenly one afternoon, 1940 01:35:24,379 --> 01:35:26,379 I got a phone call saying effectively, 1941 01:35:26,381 --> 01:35:28,247 'you've gotta resign' and I said, 'why?' 1942 01:35:28,249 --> 01:35:30,282 And he said, 'because you're giving mixed messages; 1943 01:35:30,284 --> 01:35:32,717 We've gotta have cannabis is bad, 1944 01:35:32,719 --> 01:35:35,619 alcohol is good. When we say we want you to resign 1945 01:35:35,621 --> 01:35:38,855 it means you're sacked' and so I was sacked. 1946 01:35:38,857 --> 01:35:41,557 Professor's Nutt's dismissal came after he dared to suggest 1947 01:35:41,559 --> 01:35:44,359 drugs like cannabis and ecstasy are less harmful 1948 01:35:44,361 --> 01:35:47,195 than alcohol and tobacco. 1949 01:35:47,197 --> 01:35:49,597 It was a very interesting experience because, here, 1950 01:35:49,599 --> 01:35:52,900 you've spend ten years of your life doing what you 1951 01:35:52,902 --> 01:35:57,637 know is right and what you know-if that was accepted 1952 01:35:57,639 --> 01:36:00,706 by government, by policy- makers-would be better for 1953 01:36:00,708 --> 01:36:03,809 society and then for simple political reasons, 1954 01:36:03,811 --> 01:36:06,178 you get humiliated publically. 1955 01:36:06,180 --> 01:36:09,314 After an angry exchange on Sky News yesterday, 1956 01:36:09,316 --> 01:36:12,684 Alan Johnson reiterated his argument in a letter to. 1957 01:36:12,686 --> 01:36:14,252 The Guardian today: 1958 01:36:14,821 --> 01:36:17,521 'Professor Nutt was not sacked for his views, 1959 01:36:17,523 --> 01:36:21,291 which I respect but disagree with. He was asked to go 1960 01:36:21,293 --> 01:36:23,760 because he cannot be both a government adviser 1961 01:36:23,762 --> 01:36:26,662 and campaigner against government policy. 1962 01:36:26,664 --> 01:36:29,331 But it kind of backfired on the government because his sacking 1963 01:36:29,333 --> 01:36:33,435 attracted an enormous amount of media attention. 1964 01:36:34,604 --> 01:36:37,871 Suddenly the debate wasn't just about whether this 1965 01:36:37,873 --> 01:36:40,373 expert committee had got it right about drugs, 1966 01:36:40,375 --> 01:36:41,874 it was a whole debate about the role of science 1967 01:36:41,876 --> 01:36:44,543 in policy-making. 1968 01:36:45,579 --> 01:36:47,879 This brings us to an interesting question: 1969 01:36:47,881 --> 01:36:50,314 If evidence doesn't play the role we think it does 1970 01:36:50,316 --> 01:36:53,283 in policy-making, then what does? 1971 01:36:54,519 --> 01:36:57,319 Turns out there's this thing called lobbying. 1972 01:36:57,321 --> 01:36:59,688 And just what is lobbying? 1973 01:37:00,657 --> 01:37:03,724 Lobbying is supposed to be simply getting access 1974 01:37:03,726 --> 01:37:05,659 to the politicians and making your case. 1975 01:37:05,661 --> 01:37:07,560 So, the American people can lobby 1976 01:37:07,562 --> 01:37:09,461 just as much as a special interest could. 1977 01:37:09,463 --> 01:37:10,929 It's supposed to work like that, and the politician 1978 01:37:10,931 --> 01:37:14,332 then ponders it and says, 'oh, well, 1979 01:37:14,334 --> 01:37:15,650 you've both made an interesting case, 1980 01:37:15,651 --> 01:37:16,967 but I'm going to go with this side or that side.' 1981 01:37:17,336 --> 01:37:19,369 Now, that's not what it is at all, 1982 01:37:19,371 --> 01:37:22,672 okay? The reality of what it has become is: 1983 01:37:22,674 --> 01:37:25,841 Two sides come in with two checks-whoever has the 1984 01:37:25,843 --> 01:37:29,945 larger check wins. That's lobbying in a nutshell. 1985 01:37:29,947 --> 01:37:32,414 So, if it's defense contractors, or private prisons, 1986 01:37:32,416 --> 01:37:34,416 or whoever it might be that's giving money for that issue 1987 01:37:34,418 --> 01:37:36,384 they're gonna win! They're not gonna win some 1988 01:37:36,386 --> 01:37:39,720 of the time; They're gonna win all of the time. 1989 01:37:39,722 --> 01:37:42,022 I think Bill Hicks said it best. Bill Hicks said, 1990 01:37:42,024 --> 01:37:44,891 'this is my impression of American politics.' 1991 01:37:44,893 --> 01:37:48,594 He goes-it's a guy holding two puppets-and people go, 1992 01:37:48,596 --> 01:37:51,296 'well the puppet on the right is more to my liking, 1993 01:37:51,298 --> 01:37:53,965 well I feel like the puppet on the left suits my beliefs 1994 01:37:53,967 --> 01:37:56,467 like, hey, wait a minute: It's one guy and he's 1995 01:37:56,469 --> 01:37:58,235 holding both puppets! 1996 01:37:58,236 --> 01:38:00,002 Once corporations were allowed to spend money in 1997 01:38:00,005 --> 01:38:03,272 politics, they owned politics. 1998 01:38:03,274 --> 01:38:05,807 Corporations are people, my friend. We could raise taxes 1999 01:38:05,809 --> 01:38:08,910 of course they are- everything corporations earn 2000 01:38:08,912 --> 01:38:12,647 ultimately goes to people. Where do you think it goes? 2001 01:38:12,649 --> 01:38:15,516 You give me money, I do you favors-everybody got 2002 01:38:15,518 --> 01:38:17,851 used to it. Now the media doesn't even blink; 2003 01:38:17,853 --> 01:38:19,986 They think, 'well if you're good at raising money, that 2004 01:38:19,988 --> 01:38:21,587 must mean you're a good politician.' Now, what does 2005 01:38:21,589 --> 01:38:23,989 that have to do with serving the people? Do you know 2006 01:38:23,991 --> 01:38:28,692 that, 95% of the time, the person with more money wins 2007 01:38:28,694 --> 01:38:32,295 the congressional election at the national stage? 2008 01:38:32,297 --> 01:38:33,996 It doesn't matter if you're liberal or conservative, 2009 01:38:33,998 --> 01:38:37,866 the main thing that matters is do you have more money? 2010 01:38:38,335 --> 01:38:42,569 So, for the 2012 elections, they spent six billion dollars 2011 01:38:42,571 --> 01:38:44,971 on all the national elections. 2012 01:38:44,973 --> 01:38:47,440 They spent a billion for the Obama campaign, 2013 01:38:47,442 --> 01:38:49,375 a billion for the Romney campaign 2014 01:38:49,377 --> 01:38:50,809 and four billion for all the senate and 2015 01:38:50,811 --> 01:38:52,677 congressional elections. 2016 01:38:53,579 --> 01:38:55,579 It's large donors and 2017 01:38:55,581 --> 01:38:57,847 they're not spending six billion dollars for their health. 2018 01:38:57,849 --> 01:39:00,549 They're spending the six billion dollars to 2019 01:39:00,551 --> 01:39:02,417 get back 12 billion 2020 01:39:02,419 --> 01:39:03,718 or 60 billion 2021 01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:08,322 I got a campaign. I need money. Who's got money? 2022 01:39:08,324 --> 01:39:12,726 That woman with four kids selling $31 worth of marijuana, 2023 01:39:12,728 --> 01:39:15,929 she's got no money, but that banker, 2024 01:39:15,931 --> 01:39:19,732 that Wall Street guy, that corporation guy- 2025 01:39:19,734 --> 01:39:23,001 hey, I think they have a few bucks to spread around. 2026 01:39:23,003 --> 01:39:27,371 It actually becomes an undercurrent to every single 2027 01:39:27,373 --> 01:39:30,507 legislative action that we see. Everybody's concerned 2028 01:39:30,509 --> 01:39:33,109 about re-election; Everybody's concerned about how to 2029 01:39:33,111 --> 01:39:35,945 sell themselves, not to their constituents, 2030 01:39:35,947 --> 01:39:38,187 but to the lobbying and to the interest groups. 2031 01:39:38,849 --> 01:39:42,016 It fucks up the framework and the groundwork for the 2032 01:39:42,018 --> 01:39:44,485 world that we operate in. 2033 01:39:46,355 --> 01:39:50,056 So where does this leave society when those who are 2034 01:39:50,058 --> 01:39:52,691 elected to represent the public no longer have the 2035 01:39:52,693 --> 01:39:58,496 motivation to do so? How can balance be re-achieved? 2036 01:39:58,498 --> 01:39:59,997 What else can alter the framework 2037 01:39:59,999 --> 01:40:01,765 of the world around us? 2038 01:40:06,804 --> 01:40:12,707 If you think in terms of our communication environment, 2039 01:40:12,709 --> 01:40:16,677 the advent of the 'net represented a tremendous 2040 01:40:16,679 --> 01:40:17,944 inflection point. 2041 01:40:19,113 --> 01:40:22,615 Before that, the sources of information 2042 01:40:22,617 --> 01:40:24,917 that we had were pretty much 2043 01:40:24,919 --> 01:40:27,920 institutionally structured. 2044 01:40:27,922 --> 01:40:31,156 That very strong filter is breaking down and that's 2045 01:40:31,158 --> 01:40:33,825 giving people around the world the chance 2046 01:40:33,827 --> 01:40:35,694 to think for themselves 2047 01:40:35,695 --> 01:40:37,562 I have a real bug about nobody respects books 2048 01:40:37,564 --> 01:40:39,697 anymore; Books going out the window and everyone's 2049 01:40:39,699 --> 01:40:42,666 reading on these bloody screens. It's just so easy to 2050 01:40:42,668 --> 01:40:44,668 Google stuff. Everyone's just like, 'oh, let's check. 2051 01:40:44,670 --> 01:40:47,737 Google' no! It's a real, like, big bug there for me; 2052 01:40:47,739 --> 01:40:49,923 It really annoys me. 2053 01:40:49,924 --> 01:40:52,164 Where do you get most of your news from today? 2054 01:40:53,811 --> 01:40:56,311 I think, the internet actually! 2055 01:40:57,514 --> 01:41:00,548 Suddenly, it's a different world. The folk that control 2056 01:41:00,550 --> 01:41:04,551 big media now no longer control the whole of 2057 01:41:04,553 --> 01:41:06,252 that media environment. 2058 01:41:06,687 --> 01:41:08,286 We're not reliant, say, in England, 2059 01:41:08,288 --> 01:41:12,289 on the Daily Telegraphs and the fear that politicians have 2060 01:41:12,291 --> 01:41:15,258 over two or three publications. 2061 01:41:15,260 --> 01:41:19,595 Blogs have become the media; there really is a public debate. 2062 01:41:19,597 --> 01:41:23,198 This is like the public forum of Athens or Rome. 2063 01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:25,066 It's the freedom to do what you want. Can't nobody 2064 01:41:25,068 --> 01:41:27,234 tell you what you can and can't do on the internet. 2065 01:41:27,236 --> 01:41:29,869 You can do what the hell you wanna do when you wanna do it. 2066 01:41:29,871 --> 01:41:32,938 You may connect with somebody in another country 2067 01:41:32,940 --> 01:41:34,873 who may have some information that'd really enlighten the world. 2068 01:41:34,875 --> 01:41:37,709 Because we don't know it all in America: We only know 2069 01:41:37,711 --> 01:41:40,778 half the story. I was, you know, close-minded 2070 01:41:40,780 --> 01:41:42,913 I was just thinking about California and the 2071 01:41:42,915 --> 01:41:44,748 lifestyle I grew up in. 2072 01:41:44,750 --> 01:41:47,617 In Alice in Wonderland, it said something like this: 2073 01:41:47,619 --> 01:41:49,585 'How do I know what I think until I hear what I have to say?' 2074 01:41:49,587 --> 01:41:52,621 On the internet you can actually express yourself 2075 01:41:52,623 --> 01:41:56,091 out loud; You can add a new dimension to thinking 2076 01:41:56,093 --> 01:42:00,228 and for the first time, if you have an opinion, 2077 01:42:00,230 --> 01:42:03,231 you can go out there and express it, and if you have 2078 01:42:03,233 --> 01:42:07,201 the ability to promote it, you can get attention for it. 2079 01:42:07,203 --> 01:42:08,719 Post it 2080 01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:10,236 and before you know it, a million people could be 2081 01:42:10,239 --> 01:42:12,839 following you, talkin' with you, respectin' your 2082 01:42:12,841 --> 01:42:16,008 views. Or they could be talkin' bad about your views. 2083 01:42:16,010 --> 01:42:18,343 All of a sudden, issues that would not have 2084 01:42:18,345 --> 01:42:22,146 been discussed before are being discussed. 2085 01:42:22,148 --> 01:42:25,349 There's these little communities based on ideas 2086 01:42:25,351 --> 01:42:28,819 and thoughts that are building and those ideas turn into 2087 01:42:28,821 --> 01:42:32,255 other ideas and other programming and it's weird if 2088 01:42:32,257 --> 01:42:35,825 you were to look at it on a chart or on a graph. 2089 01:42:36,861 --> 01:42:40,729 In terms of the War on Drugs, the internet has been phenomenal. 2090 01:42:40,731 --> 01:42:43,698 There was a great thirst for the truth 2091 01:42:43,700 --> 01:42:47,101 and so anytime that truth leaked out on the internet 2092 01:42:47,103 --> 01:42:49,203 people would just jump on it. 2093 01:42:49,205 --> 01:42:51,238 'Oh, marijuana has medicinal benefits? 2094 01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:52,872 Oh, wow, Richard Nixon already had the report 2095 01:42:52,874 --> 01:42:55,641 that said marijuana wasn't bad for you?' 2096 01:42:55,643 --> 01:42:58,310 They jump on it and they think, 'thank God 2097 01:42:58,312 --> 01:43:01,746 there's now something that let's me access the truth! 2098 01:43:01,748 --> 01:43:04,115 I was online in '94. That's when I first got online, 2099 01:43:04,117 --> 01:43:06,250 but it didn't really do anything it was sorta like 2100 01:43:06,252 --> 01:43:08,952 puttin' around and no one knew what was going on. 2101 01:43:08,954 --> 01:43:10,053 You've got mail! 2102 01:43:10,055 --> 01:43:11,220 Everyone I know is on it! 2103 01:43:11,222 --> 01:43:12,254 Email! 2104 01:43:12,256 --> 01:43:14,056 Instant messages! 2105 01:43:14,057 --> 01:43:15,857 There's no better way to keep in touch. 2106 01:43:15,858 --> 01:43:17,658 You've got mail. Now with 56k, connections are faster 2107 01:43:17,661 --> 01:43:18,849 than ever! 2108 01:43:18,850 --> 01:43:20,038 It's fast! 2109 01:43:20,039 --> 01:43:21,227 If you have a phone line, you can go online. 2110 01:43:21,231 --> 01:43:22,964 What will they think of next? 2111 01:43:22,966 --> 01:43:25,700 And the mail was all bullshit, and then slowly 2112 01:43:25,702 --> 01:43:30,103 but but surely it became this interacting monster 2113 01:43:30,105 --> 01:43:31,270 that it is today. 2114 01:43:31,272 --> 01:43:33,839 Anything that you need to know about marijuana, 2115 01:43:33,841 --> 01:43:35,240 you can just go on there and look. 2116 01:43:35,242 --> 01:43:37,942 You can have your mind changed instantly. 2117 01:43:37,944 --> 01:43:40,344 In the old days, when there was twenty hippies 2118 01:43:40,346 --> 01:43:42,813 sitting around trying to legalize marijuana with 2119 01:43:42,815 --> 01:43:44,948 with their little flyers, there was no way to 2120 01:43:44,950 --> 01:43:47,317 fact check any of it. It sounded like a crazy hippie. 2121 01:43:47,319 --> 01:43:49,952 Wait, you're telling me marijuana is safe and it 2122 01:43:49,954 --> 01:43:53,422 helps you with headaches and anxiety and all these 2123 01:43:53,424 --> 01:43:55,957 important medical things that we're taking all these 2124 01:43:55,959 --> 01:43:58,793 pills for? Yeah right, old hippie. 2125 01:43:59,228 --> 01:44:01,761 But nowadays, these hippies are online 2126 01:44:01,763 --> 01:44:04,864 and they have proof and facts and for once 2127 01:44:04,866 --> 01:44:06,832 we're like, 'wow, that's not a crazy hippie, 2128 01:44:06,834 --> 01:44:09,401 that's a smart hippie.' 2129 01:44:09,403 --> 01:44:12,237 You know, I can pick this phone up, and within 10 seconds, 2130 01:44:12,239 --> 01:44:16,974 I can Google any complex question that would've 2131 01:44:16,976 --> 01:44:20,978 required a serious education to answer before. 2132 01:44:20,980 --> 01:44:23,714 It's become so commonplace, that we don't realize 2133 01:44:23,716 --> 01:44:27,684 how fucking completely insane it is! It's a culture- 2134 01:44:27,686 --> 01:44:31,154 changing reality shift. 2135 01:44:31,389 --> 01:44:34,089 People like me, who had to read about things 2136 01:44:34,091 --> 01:44:36,825 in an encyclopedia, and actually go to a library, and take 2137 01:44:36,827 --> 01:44:39,961 out books on things. I'm a fuckin' dinosaur. 2138 01:44:39,963 --> 01:44:43,097 The young kids that are comin' up today-from the jump, 2139 01:44:43,099 --> 01:44:44,698 have had the internet; They don't know 2140 01:44:44,700 --> 01:44:46,966 what the world is like without the internet. 2141 01:44:46,968 --> 01:44:50,069 The internet is beginning to shake things up in politics 2142 01:44:50,071 --> 01:44:54,472 but the old momentum is clinging stubbornly, 2143 01:44:54,474 --> 01:44:57,842 irritatingly and disturbingly. 2144 01:44:57,844 --> 01:45:01,145 With the recent NSA leak, I think that you see 2145 01:45:01,147 --> 01:45:05,149 a very specific example of politicians trying to destroy 2146 01:45:05,151 --> 01:45:07,885 freedom of expression and freedom of speech. 2147 01:45:07,887 --> 01:45:11,054 Collecting data on people and spying on people is a 2148 01:45:11,056 --> 01:45:13,823 form of intimidation. If you know that the government 2149 01:45:13,825 --> 01:45:15,858 is watching what you're doing, and you know that the 2150 01:45:15,860 --> 01:45:18,393 government is monitoring what you are saying and 2151 01:45:18,395 --> 01:45:21,396 what you're advocating for, you are less likely to be 2152 01:45:21,398 --> 01:45:23,498 politically active. You are more likely to be intimidated 2153 01:45:23,500 --> 01:45:27,168 by power. They're using that as a way 2154 01:45:27,170 --> 01:45:29,336 to tell us to shut the fuck up. 2155 01:45:31,106 --> 01:45:34,073 The West fought for 500 years to acquire these basic rights 2156 01:45:34,075 --> 01:45:37,242 and just to hand them away thoughtlessly means 2157 01:45:37,244 --> 01:45:39,110 that we have to fight again for hundreds of years 2158 01:45:39,112 --> 01:45:41,912 just to get them back. It's very hard to acquire basic 2159 01:45:41,914 --> 01:45:44,074 human rights; It's very easy to give them up. 2160 01:45:44,316 --> 01:45:47,483 The establishment is scared to death of the internet 2161 01:45:47,485 --> 01:45:50,085 because that's the one thing they can't control. 2162 01:45:50,087 --> 01:45:52,087 So they've figured out a way to control our politicians 2163 01:45:52,089 --> 01:45:53,855 through donations, they've figured out how to control 2164 01:45:53,857 --> 01:45:56,824 TV through the advertising, but the internet is the wild, 2165 01:45:56,826 --> 01:45:59,993 wild West and they can't grab it. No matter how 2166 01:45:59,995 --> 01:46:02,495 much they try to plug all the holes in, the truth seems 2167 01:46:02,497 --> 01:46:05,164 to get out one way or another anyway. It's basically 2168 01:46:05,166 --> 01:46:08,367 the whole world sharing with one another and the one thing 2169 01:46:08,369 --> 01:46:10,335 that we're sharing, that's really doing them damage, 2170 01:46:10,337 --> 01:46:12,203 is the truth. 2171 01:46:12,838 --> 01:46:16,372 The trend, if you pay attention to it, clearly is 2172 01:46:16,374 --> 01:46:21,843 the dissolving of boundaries between people and ideas 2173 01:46:21,845 --> 01:46:25,947 and information and it's all going to come to a head. 2174 01:46:34,824 --> 01:46:37,424 The first cracks in the monolith of prohibition 2175 01:46:37,426 --> 01:46:40,226 have already happened. Suddenly you have Washington 2176 01:46:40,228 --> 01:46:43,562 and Colorado actually succeeding in passing 2177 01:46:43,564 --> 01:46:45,530 these legalization and regulation ballots 2178 01:46:45,532 --> 01:46:47,498 and becoming the first jurisdictions 2179 01:46:47,500 --> 01:46:49,833 anywhere in the world to do so. 2180 01:46:49,835 --> 01:46:51,901 What's happening in the United States is that the 2181 01:46:51,903 --> 01:46:55,104 entire underpinnings of the War on Drugs are being 2182 01:46:55,106 --> 01:46:58,807 pulled away by the population of the United States itself. 2183 01:46:58,809 --> 01:47:01,009 Washington state and Colorado that make it 2184 01:47:01,011 --> 01:47:02,343 legal-legal, they're like, 2185 01:47:02,345 --> 01:47:05,079 'look, man, it's fuckin' legal here. Period. 2186 01:47:05,081 --> 01:47:06,580 It's not "medically legal" it's legal' 2187 01:47:06,582 --> 01:47:09,449 and the DEA is like, 'woah, you better not!' 2188 01:47:09,451 --> 01:47:11,818 Like, whaddya mean, we'd better not? 2189 01:47:11,820 --> 01:47:14,086 Come on, what is our fucking voting system for 2190 01:47:14,088 --> 01:47:17,456 if a piece of legislation that the people want gets up 2191 01:47:17,458 --> 01:47:20,492 there and you're still going out of your way 2192 01:47:20,494 --> 01:47:22,894 not to recognize it? 2193 01:47:22,895 --> 01:47:25,295 How could you ask people to believe in the process 2194 01:47:25,298 --> 01:47:26,578 if you won't respect the vote? 2195 01:47:27,966 --> 01:47:31,334 You can't ask people to vote- they won't want to. 2196 01:47:31,336 --> 01:47:33,502 That's all that's gonna have to happen to tear it all apart: 2197 01:47:33,504 --> 01:47:35,904 Is more states just saying, 'you know what? 2198 01:47:35,906 --> 01:47:37,505 We're gonna legalize.' 2199 01:47:37,507 --> 01:47:41,842 They become a force that can stand up to the status quo. 2200 01:47:41,844 --> 01:47:46,579 It's then you start to take what is yours 2201 01:47:46,581 --> 01:47:48,314 instead of waiting for the corporations 2202 01:47:48,316 --> 01:47:51,183 and the government to give you what they think you deserve. 2203 01:47:51,185 --> 01:47:54,386 One by one, individual states are defying the federal 2204 01:47:54,388 --> 01:47:57,856 government and responding to the wishes of their 2205 01:47:57,858 --> 01:48:00,491 their own immediate population and changing the state law. 2206 01:48:00,493 --> 01:48:03,026 Once we see that gaining pace in the United States, 2207 01:48:03,028 --> 01:48:05,094 it's gonna gain pace in the whole of the rest of the world 2208 01:48:05,096 --> 01:48:06,829 as well. 2209 01:48:06,830 --> 01:48:08,563 The International Narcotics Control Board has made it clear 2210 01:48:08,566 --> 01:48:11,466 that Washington and Colorado are in breach 2211 01:48:11,468 --> 01:48:13,968 of the UN drug conventions, they're effectively breaking 2212 01:48:13,970 --> 01:48:17,972 international law and that the U.S. is, by dint of what's 2213 01:48:17,974 --> 01:48:20,474 happening in Washington and Colorado, also in breach 2214 01:48:20,476 --> 01:48:22,242 of the UN conventions. 2215 01:48:22,244 --> 01:48:26,378 Given that the UN drug treaties were very much driven 2216 01:48:26,380 --> 01:48:28,046 by the U.S. in the first instance, 2217 01:48:28,048 --> 01:48:30,415 it does put them in this rather odd situation where 2218 01:48:30,417 --> 01:48:34,218 something that they drove the formation of, they are 2219 01:48:34,220 --> 01:48:38,355 now being disciplined and condemned for violating. 2220 01:48:38,357 --> 01:48:41,658 Because how can they impose these appallingly damaging 2221 01:48:41,660 --> 01:48:43,893 laws and conventions across the other countries of 2222 01:48:43,895 --> 01:48:47,129 the planet when they're legal- izing in their own backyard? 2223 01:48:47,131 --> 01:48:49,231 I think it makes it very difficult for the United States 2224 01:48:49,233 --> 01:48:52,968 to try to hold other countries in line. 2225 01:48:52,970 --> 01:48:57,272 They are experimenting with a completely new approach 2226 01:48:57,274 --> 01:49:01,142 and that is for the state to be selling marijuana 2227 01:49:01,144 --> 01:49:03,677 in marijuana shops throughout Uruguay. 2228 01:49:03,679 --> 01:49:07,980 All across Europe, in Australia, and in fact, all over the world, 2229 01:49:07,982 --> 01:49:09,648 the whole house of cards 2230 01:49:09,650 --> 01:49:12,450 is already coming crumbling down. 2231 01:49:13,553 --> 01:49:16,954 I mean even by the time you put this documentary on air, 2232 01:49:16,956 --> 01:49:20,457 I'm sure that there are going to be more states 2233 01:49:20,459 --> 01:49:23,092 that have voted with their feet and changed 2234 01:49:23,094 --> 01:49:24,359 the legal status of cannabis. 2235 01:49:24,361 --> 01:49:26,294 Big step today for those hoping to legalize 2236 01:49:26,296 --> 01:49:29,030 recreational marijuana in Alaska. 2237 01:49:29,032 --> 01:49:31,132 The campaign to regulate marijuana turned in 2238 01:49:31,134 --> 01:49:34,235 more than 45000 signatures to the lieutenant governor. 2239 01:49:34,237 --> 01:49:36,437 I mean it's impossible to keep up right now when it 2240 01:49:36,439 --> 01:49:39,373 comes to research, political development. 2241 01:49:39,375 --> 01:49:43,677 Constant stream of books and documentaries, podcasts 2242 01:49:43,679 --> 01:49:47,213 and blog posts. The information's just overwhelming. 2243 01:49:47,215 --> 01:49:49,648 They just can't stop releasing shit. 2244 01:49:49,650 --> 01:49:52,217 Just like you can't stop making documentaries about it, 2245 01:49:52,219 --> 01:49:54,653 just like I can't stop talking about it on stage 2246 01:49:54,655 --> 01:49:56,187 or on a podcast. 2247 01:49:56,189 --> 01:49:58,389 In ten years from now, 2248 01:49:58,391 --> 01:50:00,341 you're gonna look at this film and be like, 2249 01:50:00,342 --> 01:50:02,292 'that's ridiculous. Remember when they had to make films 2250 01:50:02,294 --> 01:50:04,093 about legalizing marijuana?' 2251 01:50:04,395 --> 01:50:07,062 And it's one of the reasons why the age of information 2252 01:50:07,064 --> 01:50:09,431 that we exist in today is so fuckin' important. 2253 01:50:09,433 --> 01:50:11,232 It's so important because it's never been in the 2254 01:50:11,234 --> 01:50:13,434 hands of the people before and this is what happened: 2255 01:50:13,436 --> 01:50:15,502 In the hands of the people you've seen more progress 2256 01:50:15,504 --> 01:50:16,803 in ten years than we have 2257 01:50:16,805 --> 01:50:19,272 in two fuckin' hundred years before. 2258 01:50:19,274 --> 01:50:21,707 Because it's swarming, all the greedy pigs 2259 01:50:21,709 --> 01:50:23,675 are trying to hold on to it, but it's like standing 2260 01:50:23,677 --> 01:50:25,510 in the middle of the river and trying to catch all the salmon 2261 01:50:25,512 --> 01:50:27,545 with your hands. You're not going to. 2262 01:50:27,547 --> 01:50:30,381 The world is already moving; We're already on it like 2263 01:50:30,383 --> 01:50:32,716 we want it. They doing it in Seattle, Washington. 2264 01:50:32,718 --> 01:50:35,719 Recreational. You know I'm on my way out there 2265 01:50:35,721 --> 01:50:39,622 as soon as I get off this TV screen. Recreational work. 2266 01:50:40,391 --> 01:50:43,392 Establishment figures, they're beginning to get the message; 2267 01:50:43,394 --> 01:50:44,860 They're realizing that it isn't in their interests 2268 01:50:44,862 --> 01:50:47,629 any longer to demonize cannabis. 2269 01:50:47,631 --> 01:50:50,832 It does not make sense, from a prioritization point of view, 2270 01:50:50,834 --> 01:50:54,268 for us to focus on recreational drug users 2271 01:50:54,270 --> 01:50:58,504 in a state that has already said that under state law, 2272 01:50:58,506 --> 01:51:00,373 'that's legal.' 2273 01:51:00,374 --> 01:51:02,241 When you see a broad social change taking place 2274 01:51:02,243 --> 01:51:05,143 in society and you realize that you are behind the curve 2275 01:51:05,145 --> 01:51:06,744 then, you pretty soon get it 2276 01:51:06,746 --> 01:51:08,613 that you have to catch up with the curve. 2277 01:51:08,614 --> 01:51:10,481 It seems like they are falling under the weight of all this. 2278 01:51:10,483 --> 01:51:13,684 They just go where the wind blows 2279 01:51:13,686 --> 01:51:15,719 in order to stay alive. 2280 01:51:15,721 --> 01:51:17,687 I don't think it matters why people jump ship 2281 01:51:17,689 --> 01:51:19,689 as long as they do jump ship. 2282 01:51:19,691 --> 01:51:23,292 In 2009, you wrote a Time Magazine article entitled. 2283 01:51:23,294 --> 01:51:27,329 Why I Would Vote No on Pot. You've changed your mind. 2284 01:51:27,331 --> 01:51:31,466 I have and as part of my thinking recently, 2285 01:51:31,468 --> 01:51:33,601 I've apologized for some of the earlier reporting 2286 01:51:33,603 --> 01:51:37,237 because I think we've been terribly and systematically 2287 01:51:37,239 --> 01:51:39,172 misled in this country for some time 2288 01:51:39,174 --> 01:51:42,542 and I did part of that misleading. 2289 01:51:47,314 --> 01:51:51,249 There's a shift taking place in our culture. 2290 01:51:51,251 --> 01:51:55,753 The issue is once again on the table. Will the forces 2291 01:51:55,755 --> 01:52:00,457 backing marijuana deregulation overplay their hand 2292 01:52:00,459 --> 01:52:05,728 in some way that allows the forces of incarceration 2293 01:52:05,730 --> 01:52:07,563 to get a jump on them? 2294 01:52:09,466 --> 01:52:13,768 The war on marijuana is a symptom of something that 2295 01:52:13,770 --> 01:52:17,471 is fundamentally wrong in this country. We have to 2296 01:52:17,473 --> 01:52:22,208 break out of the fog because the media won't do anything 2297 01:52:22,210 --> 01:52:25,511 no President is gonna come in and change things. 2298 01:52:25,513 --> 01:52:28,747 It comes from the bottom up not from the top down. 2299 01:52:28,749 --> 01:52:30,615 So, you can have minor little victories, 2300 01:52:30,617 --> 01:52:35,318 but that's tinkering. 50 years of documentation says 2301 01:52:35,320 --> 01:52:38,788 it's not working and what do we do tomorrow? 2302 01:52:39,857 --> 01:52:41,890 The same damn thing. 2303 01:52:42,325 --> 01:52:45,359 The truth is not repeating what everybody around you 2304 01:52:45,361 --> 01:52:48,762 automatically says. It is not repeating what everybody 2305 01:52:48,764 --> 01:52:50,430 is gonna pat you on the head for saying. 2306 01:52:50,865 --> 01:52:52,464 It is looking for the things 2307 01:52:52,466 --> 01:52:55,733 that people will not pat you on the head for saying 2308 01:52:55,735 --> 01:52:57,534 because those are the things that people 2309 01:52:57,536 --> 01:53:01,871 really need to know, and once you are damn convinced 2310 01:53:01,873 --> 01:53:05,608 of something of that sort, then it's your obligation 2311 01:53:05,610 --> 01:53:07,676 to go out on a limb for it. 2312 01:53:08,578 --> 01:53:10,377 That's truth. 2313 01:53:10,746 --> 01:53:13,580 We have to figure out, A, that we are temporary 2314 01:53:13,582 --> 01:53:16,215 and we are the people that have to pass down this 2315 01:53:16,217 --> 01:53:21,352 fucking incredibly fucked up mess to our children 2316 01:53:21,354 --> 01:53:25,822 and unless we operate this world with the idea of sustainability 2317 01:53:25,824 --> 01:53:29,358 for the culture, sustainability for the community, 2318 01:53:29,360 --> 01:53:33,462 sustainability for humanity in general, 2319 01:53:33,464 --> 01:53:35,363 you're gonna have resentment at every turn. 2320 01:53:35,365 --> 01:53:37,765 You have people profiting and people failing 2321 01:53:37,767 --> 01:53:39,366 and people being victimized, 2322 01:53:39,368 --> 01:53:42,869 but the reason why we are so complex 2323 01:53:42,871 --> 01:53:46,739 is also the reason that I think that we have hope. 2324 01:53:50,644 --> 01:53:52,510 Eight years and 2 films later, 2325 01:53:52,512 --> 01:53:57,047 we once again arrive left with more questions than answers. 2326 01:53:57,949 --> 01:53:59,789 Where do we go from here? 2327 01:54:00,651 --> 01:54:03,451 How do we move forward without taking two steps back? 2328 01:54:05,388 --> 01:54:08,522 And, again, sits that ever- lingering question 2329 01:54:08,524 --> 01:54:10,690 that we just can't seem to shake: 2330 01:54:12,927 --> 01:54:15,794 Will marijuana ever fully be legalized? 2331 01:54:15,796 --> 01:54:18,596 Um, probably yes... 2332 01:54:18,598 --> 01:54:21,865 Oh yes, oh yes. I've no doubt about it. 2333 01:54:21,867 --> 01:54:26,535 Marijuana prohibition is a zombie; It is a walking corpse. 2334 01:54:26,537 --> 01:54:32,407 It could be decades, but historically, it's a blip. 2335 01:54:32,409 --> 01:54:35,576 I think marijuana will be fully legalized and taxed 2336 01:54:35,578 --> 01:54:38,946 in my lifetime. Whether we'll ever get Singapore doing it, 2337 01:54:38,948 --> 01:54:40,080 we'll see. 2338 01:54:40,082 --> 01:54:45,451 Globally? I can see Iran doing it, can't you? 2339 01:54:46,487 --> 01:54:49,321 Instead of goin' one city, one state at a time. 2340 01:54:49,323 --> 01:54:50,989 Make that shit legal everywhere 2341 01:54:50,991 --> 01:54:52,924 and pop the top and let's go! 2342 01:54:52,926 --> 01:54:55,493 I think it's just around the corner, but you know, 2343 01:54:55,495 --> 01:54:58,362 I've always thought that! I've been wrong up to now, 2344 01:54:58,364 --> 01:55:00,404 so I'm probably wrong now! I don't know. 2345 01:55:01,733 --> 01:55:09,705 I doubt it seriously. I believe that the forces controlling 2346 01:55:09,707 --> 01:55:13,041 the way things work in the United States will give us 2347 01:55:13,043 --> 01:55:18,746 lots of process before we ever get to total legalization. 2348 01:55:18,748 --> 01:55:21,415 I can die with the satisfaction of knowing 2349 01:55:21,417 --> 01:55:23,817 it's inevitable now. 2350 01:55:23,819 --> 01:55:27,554 They're never gonna get the cat back in that bag again. 2351 01:55:27,556 --> 01:55:33,059 He's out... and what we see now is this culture 2352 01:55:33,061 --> 01:55:36,328 struggling to make an accommodation for this 2353 01:55:36,330 --> 01:55:38,396 new kid on the block. 2354 01:55:38,931 --> 01:55:43,332 There'll come a point when this will probably end 2355 01:55:43,334 --> 01:55:48,069 but if it's not today, then somebody will be locked up 2356 01:55:48,071 --> 01:55:52,872 today, somebody's life will be ruined today 2357 01:55:52,874 --> 01:55:56,475 and that somebody is probably hundreds of people. 2358 01:55:56,477 --> 01:56:01,413 To begin to demonstrate an understanding of humanity 2359 01:56:01,415 --> 01:56:06,350 is so counter to our way of thinking- 2360 01:56:06,352 --> 01:56:10,420 it's throw away the key, let's lock 'em up. 2361 01:56:13,358 --> 01:56:17,659 And you believe it, up until your son or your daughter 2362 01:56:17,661 --> 01:56:23,631 or your friends or yourself gets caught up in the same nightmare 2363 01:56:23,633 --> 01:56:27,033 and then you're going 'oh my God, now I understand, ' 2364 01:56:28,069 --> 01:56:29,701 But do you? 197324

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