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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,212 --> 00:00:08,007 What’s going on in Amish communities is horrific. 2 00:00:08,049 --> 00:00:10,384 There is sexual violence, domestic violence, 3 00:00:10,426 --> 00:00:12,762 child abuse, child sexual abuse. 4 00:00:12,804 --> 00:00:15,681 Incest rates are just staggering. 5 00:00:15,723 --> 00:00:19,852 It’s just been generations and generations and generations of abuse. 6 00:00:19,894 --> 00:00:24,482 Misty: This is not happening to one just Amish child or one Amish woman. 7 00:00:24,524 --> 00:00:29,695 This is happening in Amish communities across the United States. 8 00:00:29,737 --> 00:00:33,032 I remember not being safe in my room from my own fucking brother. 9 00:00:33,074 --> 00:00:37,495 If I made it to my room before he caught me and got the door locked, 10 00:00:37,537 --> 00:00:40,414 he would take the door off by the hinges. 11 00:00:40,456 --> 00:00:42,959 I called the sheriff’s department and reported it. 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,045 Don Henry: We had put a wire on Mary, 13 00:00:46,087 --> 00:00:49,215 and she talked to Johnny about the abuse. 14 00:00:49,257 --> 00:00:52,218 And Johnny didn’t deny it to her either. 15 00:00:59,267 --> 00:01:03,229 Tim Gaskell: Amish will come in droves to the courtroom 16 00:01:03,271 --> 00:01:07,692 when they have somebody involved in a court proceeding. 17 00:01:07,733 --> 00:01:10,903 Mary: They literally paraded them up on the witness stand 18 00:01:10,945 --> 00:01:14,407 to testify as to what a good Amish man he is, 19 00:01:14,449 --> 00:01:19,078 and people practically cried on demand. 20 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,707 It’s not that it’s awful that he’s a rapist. 21 00:01:22,748 --> 00:01:27,420 It’s that it’s awful that I am unforgiving and reported it. 22 00:01:27,462 --> 00:01:32,091 The judge, as he was sentencing, I can remember him saying, 23 00:01:32,133 --> 00:01:36,387 "I see all you people here in support of the defendant." 24 00:01:41,225 --> 00:01:43,144 That was a very small triumph. 25 00:01:43,186 --> 00:01:44,946 It was like, "Oh, my God. This is unheard of. 26 00:01:44,979 --> 00:01:47,690 He’s going to actually do the right thing." 27 00:01:47,732 --> 00:01:49,734 I thought he’d get 20 years. 28 00:01:54,530 --> 00:01:55,530 I hoped. 29 00:01:57,950 --> 00:01:59,136 Henry: I mean, there’s not just 30 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,329 the Mary Byler case out there. 31 00:02:03,998 --> 00:02:05,666 Woman: My child came to me and she said, 32 00:02:05,708 --> 00:02:09,295 "Mommy, does a daddy put his hands up your dress?" 33 00:02:09,337 --> 00:02:13,549 He told me it wasn’t a bad thing, but that it was just a secret. 34 00:02:13,591 --> 00:02:17,386 And I can’t tell you what it feels like as a mother 35 00:02:17,428 --> 00:02:21,474 to sit there beside your child and listen to them tell you 36 00:02:21,516 --> 00:02:23,601 what was done to them by their own father. 37 00:02:23,643 --> 00:02:27,146 I reached out to a friend, and I said, "What do I do?" 38 00:02:27,188 --> 00:02:29,190 And she said, "Audrey, you have to report it." 39 00:03:01,681 --> 00:03:04,475 These cases involving Plain community defendants 40 00:03:04,517 --> 00:03:06,352 are a little bit unusual in the sense 41 00:03:06,394 --> 00:03:09,105 that these defendants never go to trial. 42 00:03:09,147 --> 00:03:14,694 They generally admit to what they have done and accept the consequences. 43 00:03:14,735 --> 00:03:18,364 A plea agreement is where the sentence is agreed to 44 00:03:18,406 --> 00:03:20,366 by the commonwealth and the defendant in advance, 45 00:03:20,408 --> 00:03:22,785 but they don’t go to trial. 46 00:03:25,037 --> 00:03:30,877 Eli got eight years. He got probably a little more because he had a prior record. 47 00:03:30,918 --> 00:03:33,045 David got four years. 48 00:03:33,087 --> 00:03:38,050 And Johnny was by far the worst of them three 49 00:03:38,092 --> 00:03:41,387 between Johnny, Eli, and David. 50 00:03:41,429 --> 00:03:42,722 By far. 51 00:03:49,228 --> 00:03:51,564 The courtroom is completely packed 52 00:03:51,606 --> 00:03:53,065 with Amish people, 53 00:03:53,107 --> 00:03:56,068 who made a mockery out of that courtroom. 54 00:03:56,110 --> 00:03:58,696 They bussed in four busloads of Amish people, 55 00:03:58,738 --> 00:04:01,407 and the thing that was craziest about that 56 00:04:01,449 --> 00:04:06,120 is that not a single one of them was there in court for me. 57 00:04:30,186 --> 00:04:31,813 I thought justice was going to be served. 58 00:04:40,154 --> 00:04:42,949 Gaskell: The judge sentenced Johnny 59 00:04:42,990 --> 00:04:45,785 to ten years of probation 60 00:04:45,827 --> 00:04:50,248 and one year in our county jail. 61 00:04:52,667 --> 00:04:54,836 We were dumbfounded. 62 00:04:54,877 --> 00:04:57,380 We were angry. 63 00:04:59,090 --> 00:05:02,802 We were literally in shock 64 00:05:02,844 --> 00:05:04,762 as to what had just happened, 65 00:05:04,804 --> 00:05:08,516 how somebody that would go to the extent, 66 00:05:08,558 --> 00:05:12,103 who removed door hinges to get inside a room 67 00:05:12,145 --> 00:05:15,690 to sexually assault his own sister 68 00:05:15,731 --> 00:05:21,612 could be walking away without a significant prison sentence. 69 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:26,451 I was numb. 70 00:05:28,744 --> 00:05:32,165 I don’t even think it really sank in. 71 00:05:32,206 --> 00:05:36,502 I could’ve been knocked off my chair with a feather. I could not believe it. 72 00:05:36,544 --> 00:05:41,215 He should’ve been sent to prison for a number of years. 73 00:05:42,758 --> 00:05:45,595 There’s no justification for a year in the county jail 74 00:05:45,636 --> 00:05:49,390 for as many times as he sexually assaulted Mary, in my opinion. 75 00:05:54,562 --> 00:05:57,523 He was also given Huber privileges 76 00:05:57,565 --> 00:06:03,529 which means that he was able to go out and work during the day, 77 00:06:03,571 --> 00:06:07,784 and then he’d come back to jail and basically spend the night. 78 00:06:09,911 --> 00:06:13,372 Mary: How is it justice to allow an Amish perpetrator 79 00:06:13,414 --> 00:06:18,544 to go to jail for one year in county with Huber, 80 00:06:18,586 --> 00:06:23,049 and then allow him to continue going to church 81 00:06:23,090 --> 00:06:25,843 where he has access to more victims? 82 00:06:25,885 --> 00:06:29,555 How do you get perpetrator saying in court to a judge, 83 00:06:29,597 --> 00:06:33,893 "I raped her close 75 times"? 84 00:06:33,935 --> 00:06:40,066 How do you get that and one year in the county jail with a work release, 85 00:06:40,107 --> 00:06:42,318 and ten years supervision 86 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:47,115 and a $16,000 restitution fee to pay for therapy? 87 00:06:47,156 --> 00:06:48,449 I still don’t see 88 00:06:48,491 --> 00:06:53,412 how that’s actually rehabilitating somebody 89 00:06:53,454 --> 00:06:56,791 or preventing somebody from reoffending. 90 00:07:07,802 --> 00:07:11,389 We’ll be coming up to where Mary Byler’s place was. 91 00:07:13,182 --> 00:07:15,434 That’s the big house right there. 92 00:07:15,476 --> 00:07:18,146 Doesn’t look like much a place anymore. 93 00:07:18,187 --> 00:07:21,274 Mary told me yesterday on the phone 94 00:07:21,315 --> 00:07:23,025 that Eli is still here. 95 00:07:26,988 --> 00:07:28,448 That might be Eli right there. 96 00:07:28,489 --> 00:07:31,617 He’s gonna come and beat us with his fishing pole. 97 00:07:35,496 --> 00:07:37,498 - What’s up? - What are you doing? 98 00:07:37,540 --> 00:07:39,625 - Driving along. - Take that camera and shove it 99 00:07:39,667 --> 00:07:41,294 - somewhere the sun don’t shine. - Okay. 100 00:07:41,335 --> 00:07:43,921 I hate them stupid things, and I don’t want my picture taken. 101 00:07:43,963 --> 00:07:46,257 - Okay. - Point that stupid thing somewhere else. 102 00:07:46,299 --> 00:07:47,717 - Are you Eli? - Yes, I am. 103 00:07:47,758 --> 00:07:50,052 I thought you were. Have a good day, Eli. 104 00:07:56,350 --> 00:07:58,478 Jasper: There’s a lot of evilness 105 00:07:58,519 --> 00:08:00,855 and a lot of terrible things that happen 106 00:08:00,897 --> 00:08:05,026 behind the essence of what America loves to see, which is beauty. 107 00:08:13,826 --> 00:08:18,122 When you go down the road and it’s quilts and they have hotels, 108 00:08:18,164 --> 00:08:20,958 and people want to take buggy rides and things like that, 109 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:25,171 and I think it’s just because they are stuck in that time period, 110 00:08:25,213 --> 00:08:26,672 that 1800s kind of time period, 111 00:08:26,714 --> 00:08:28,841 with the horse and the buggy and no electricity. 112 00:08:28,883 --> 00:08:31,344 That fascinates people. 113 00:08:31,385 --> 00:08:33,930 See the gentle people. See the kind Amish. 114 00:08:33,971 --> 00:08:36,098 They are just pretty much angelic. 115 00:08:36,140 --> 00:08:38,434 You know, that’s the message that’s given out, 116 00:08:38,476 --> 00:08:40,645 and people buy into it. 117 00:08:40,686 --> 00:08:42,855 Why are people so fascinated 118 00:08:42,897 --> 00:08:46,526 that they’re getting on double-decker buses 119 00:08:46,567 --> 00:08:48,361 to drive by farms 120 00:08:48,402 --> 00:08:53,407 that are filled with abusers? 121 00:08:53,449 --> 00:08:56,536 Misty: This lie just keeps perpetuating, 122 00:08:56,577 --> 00:08:59,705 and it’s a shame because, you know, 123 00:08:59,747 --> 00:09:02,208 if people really knew what the Amish were, 124 00:09:02,250 --> 00:09:03,918 there would be no Amish tours. 125 00:09:06,337 --> 00:09:08,548 We have Amish and Mennonite everywhere. 126 00:09:08,589 --> 00:09:12,135 You look around, and kids are playing and they look happy. 127 00:09:12,176 --> 00:09:13,970 And they don’t bother anybody. 128 00:09:14,011 --> 00:09:16,031 They have their cute little horse and buggies that go down the road, 129 00:09:16,055 --> 00:09:18,599 and the kids are always waving when you go by. 130 00:09:18,641 --> 00:09:22,979 That’s our view. That’s our perception of people in the Plain community. 131 00:09:23,020 --> 00:09:26,899 As long as the facade is able to be maintained, 132 00:09:26,941 --> 00:09:29,902 abusers will always have an upper hand. 133 00:09:29,944 --> 00:09:31,654 Jasper: They even sold this idea that 134 00:09:31,696 --> 00:09:34,407 somehow it is this idealistic life 135 00:09:34,449 --> 00:09:36,200 that they want to live. 136 00:09:36,242 --> 00:09:38,661 Challenging that is very difficult 137 00:09:38,703 --> 00:09:42,623 because there’s a lot of money on the line. 138 00:09:42,665 --> 00:09:45,585 They silence victims, they protect perpetrators, 139 00:09:45,626 --> 00:09:49,589 because it’s more important to protect the branding. 140 00:09:49,630 --> 00:09:52,091 And when you have a religion that also is a brand, 141 00:09:52,133 --> 00:09:54,760 people get it confused as to what they really are. 142 00:10:01,934 --> 00:10:07,732 If you meet an Amish buggy and you see a little girl 143 00:10:07,773 --> 00:10:10,735 sitting in there in their Amish outfits, 144 00:10:10,776 --> 00:10:13,613 and they’re so innocent... I can’t help it, 145 00:10:13,654 --> 00:10:17,116 I think, "Is that little girl being abused? 146 00:10:17,158 --> 00:10:19,076 Is she going to be abused?" 147 00:10:19,118 --> 00:10:21,078 I look at them little boys, 148 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,123 and are they gonna grow up and abuse their sisters? 149 00:10:24,165 --> 00:10:25,917 And I worry about it. 150 00:10:25,958 --> 00:10:29,003 I mean, there’s not just the Mary Byler case out there. 151 00:10:48,856 --> 00:10:52,276 I was born in Lafayette, Indiana, 152 00:10:52,318 --> 00:10:55,488 on February 9th, 1978. 153 00:10:55,530 --> 00:10:58,074 My parents started migrating through churches 154 00:10:58,116 --> 00:11:01,994 getting more and more and more conservative until we ended up in one 155 00:11:02,036 --> 00:11:05,164 of the most conservative Amish groups in the country. 156 00:11:09,961 --> 00:11:13,631 I wanted a beautiful home. I wanted a peaceful home. 157 00:11:18,845 --> 00:11:22,765 I thought staying Amish was the way to do that, 158 00:11:22,807 --> 00:11:27,895 and I threw everything into it that I had. Everything. 159 00:11:29,522 --> 00:11:30,815 In communities that I was in, 160 00:11:30,857 --> 00:11:33,067 a woman wasn’t allowed to just be single. 161 00:11:35,194 --> 00:11:38,489 You always have to be under a male figure of some kind. 162 00:11:38,531 --> 00:11:40,950 Mike and I dated for several months, 163 00:11:40,992 --> 00:11:43,995 and then we were married in the summer of 2001. 164 00:11:44,036 --> 00:11:46,914 It was a really big deal when Mike started dating me 165 00:11:46,956 --> 00:11:51,502 because his father was a minister who later became a bishop. 166 00:11:51,544 --> 00:11:56,507 His family held a lot of political clout in the community, 167 00:11:56,549 --> 00:11:58,134 and so it was a big deal. 168 00:11:58,176 --> 00:11:59,802 I mean, that’s what everybody wants. 169 00:11:59,844 --> 00:12:02,555 You want to marry up. 170 00:12:04,265 --> 00:12:06,434 I had no sex education. 171 00:12:06,476 --> 00:12:09,854 I had zero knowledge of my body, 172 00:12:09,896 --> 00:12:13,191 of men, of relationships, of sex, nothing. 173 00:12:13,232 --> 00:12:16,110 They shove a couple books at you and say, "Read this," 174 00:12:16,152 --> 00:12:18,154 the last week right before you get married. 175 00:12:18,196 --> 00:12:20,323 "Read this, but don’t talk about it." 176 00:12:20,364 --> 00:12:22,492 And you’re ready for marriage. You’re ready for sex. 177 00:12:22,533 --> 00:12:25,244 You’re ready for raising kids. You’re ready for all of it. 178 00:12:27,246 --> 00:12:29,582 I had no clue. No clue. 179 00:12:31,042 --> 00:12:33,711 I was pregnant within the first month, 180 00:12:33,753 --> 00:12:35,588 and nine months later we had a baby. 181 00:12:37,089 --> 00:12:40,885 By all standards, we had a perfect Amish life, 182 00:12:40,927 --> 00:12:43,930 and our family started growing and everything was idyllic. 183 00:12:46,682 --> 00:12:50,937 But slowly, something started to feel off. 184 00:12:52,271 --> 00:12:54,065 I now have five children, 185 00:12:54,106 --> 00:12:59,737 and I’m extremely busy, I’m homeschooling all of them. 186 00:12:59,779 --> 00:13:03,366 But at that point, I was overwhelmed, I was tired. 187 00:13:03,407 --> 00:13:07,912 We were taught that it was a woman’s job to please her husband 188 00:13:07,954 --> 00:13:10,915 and then the children came next. 189 00:13:10,957 --> 00:13:14,085 And if you do that, you’re fulfilling your Biblical role 190 00:13:14,127 --> 00:13:17,964 and you should be happy. 191 00:13:19,799 --> 00:13:22,552 We were taught to take a nap in the afternoon 192 00:13:22,593 --> 00:13:27,098 so that we were sexually ready for our husbands when they got home. 193 00:13:27,140 --> 00:13:31,144 You know, he needed sex every three days, because after 72 hours, 194 00:13:31,185 --> 00:13:34,147 a man’s gonna go looking somewhere else if you don’t give him what he needs. 195 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:46,409 The children were physically abused by him from the beginning. 196 00:13:46,451 --> 00:13:51,122 We were taught that you start disciplining by six months. 197 00:13:53,291 --> 00:13:57,211 The children were expected to sit through a three hour service and make no noise. 198 00:13:57,253 --> 00:14:01,132 The oldest was always her wild, crazy self. 199 00:14:01,174 --> 00:14:04,719 He would take her out of church and beat her and beat her. 200 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:08,973 I was brainwashed into believing that it wasn’t abuse, it was discipline, 201 00:14:09,015 --> 00:14:10,975 and it’s what God wanted him to do 202 00:14:11,017 --> 00:14:13,436 because that was his place in the home. 203 00:14:13,478 --> 00:14:16,856 With time, I started to see the effects on the children 204 00:14:16,898 --> 00:14:19,650 and especially my two oldest girls. 205 00:14:19,692 --> 00:14:21,986 They started to struggle with depression, 206 00:14:22,028 --> 00:14:24,989 and the day came when I discovered that Marlena, 207 00:14:25,031 --> 00:14:28,493 my oldest one, was cutting herself. 208 00:14:28,534 --> 00:14:32,038 And I’m like, "Why? What’s wrong?" 209 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,504 I automatically assumed it was the physical abuse from her father 210 00:14:39,545 --> 00:14:43,257 and just the emotional trauma of where our marriage was. 211 00:14:47,553 --> 00:14:49,555 I thought it was just his anger, 212 00:14:49,597 --> 00:14:50,908 and I told him that over and over. 213 00:14:50,932 --> 00:14:53,643 "We need space and we need to feel safe, 214 00:14:53,684 --> 00:14:56,813 and you need to go get help." 215 00:14:56,854 --> 00:15:01,400 The only way I knew to fix it at that point was for him to leave. 216 00:15:01,442 --> 00:15:03,820 And so I filed for the divorce to force him out of the house 217 00:15:03,861 --> 00:15:05,822 so that we could have peace and safety. 218 00:15:08,074 --> 00:15:11,536 The church excommunicated me for filing for divorce. 219 00:15:11,577 --> 00:15:13,371 It was so backwards, 220 00:15:13,412 --> 00:15:17,041 me filing for divorce to protect us from him 221 00:15:17,083 --> 00:15:20,086 was a greater sin than his abuse. 222 00:15:23,464 --> 00:15:26,592 Hinton: Plain community people, Amish and Mennonite, 223 00:15:26,634 --> 00:15:28,886 they talk about mistakes, 224 00:15:28,928 --> 00:15:31,264 they talk about moral misgivings, things like that, 225 00:15:31,305 --> 00:15:34,350 but for the person who has been excommunicated 226 00:15:34,392 --> 00:15:37,728 and kicked out of the Amish community permanently, 227 00:15:37,770 --> 00:15:38,896 "They’re defiant. 228 00:15:38,938 --> 00:15:41,232 They were wild. 229 00:15:41,274 --> 00:15:43,192 They were sinful." 230 00:15:43,234 --> 00:15:45,903 And their only sin is that they couldn’t forgive their abuser 231 00:15:45,945 --> 00:15:47,947 or that they spoke up about the abuse. 232 00:15:49,824 --> 00:15:53,077 Audrey: I was suddenly adrift. 233 00:15:53,119 --> 00:15:56,080 At this point, my oldest one’s still cutting, 234 00:15:56,122 --> 00:16:00,418 and my second one, Dorthea, 235 00:16:00,460 --> 00:16:02,211 starts attempting suicide. 236 00:16:02,253 --> 00:16:04,338 She starts trying to hang herself. 237 00:16:07,133 --> 00:16:10,887 A little bit before I was 12, I got incredible depressed, 238 00:16:10,928 --> 00:16:15,099 and I went to a hospital because I tried to kill myself, 239 00:16:15,141 --> 00:16:18,853 and I just knew that I had to find a way to protect myself. 240 00:16:18,895 --> 00:16:21,564 And at some points if, you know, 241 00:16:21,606 --> 00:16:23,107 taking myself out of this world 242 00:16:23,149 --> 00:16:24,334 meant that it wouldn’t happen to me, 243 00:16:24,358 --> 00:16:26,360 then that’s just how it was gonna be. 244 00:16:30,490 --> 00:16:33,743 Audrey: I begged her to talk to me, but she was so locked down. 245 00:16:33,785 --> 00:16:37,330 It was really hard for me because I was like, "What are they not telling me?" 246 00:16:39,165 --> 00:16:40,792 I knew something deeper was wrong, 247 00:16:40,833 --> 00:16:42,084 but I didn’t know what. 248 00:16:45,379 --> 00:16:48,508 I had no idea that my whole world was about to change. 249 00:16:48,549 --> 00:16:53,137 My oldest daughter Marlena came to me first. 250 00:16:53,179 --> 00:16:56,849 When I finally opened up to my mom about what was happening, 251 00:16:56,891 --> 00:16:59,143 it was because I had heard her 252 00:16:59,185 --> 00:17:01,687 telling some of my siblings around a campfire 253 00:17:01,729 --> 00:17:04,398 the usual thing that a mother would tell their children. 254 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,151 "If somebody ever touches you in this place, 255 00:17:07,193 --> 00:17:09,487 that’s a no-no, and you need to tell an adult." 256 00:17:09,529 --> 00:17:12,031 That was the moment that I realized that it wasn’t normal. 257 00:17:12,073 --> 00:17:13,282 It was sexual assault. 258 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,163 Audrey: She opened up and asked me if it was normal 259 00:17:19,205 --> 00:17:22,333 for dads to touch their daughter’s butts. 260 00:17:22,375 --> 00:17:26,838 And I remember sitting there frozen, all of a sudden understanding 261 00:17:26,879 --> 00:17:30,091 that this picture was a whole lot bigger than I even imagined. 262 00:17:34,095 --> 00:17:36,472 As she proceed to tell me the different things 263 00:17:36,514 --> 00:17:39,517 that he had been doing to her and places he was touching her, 264 00:17:39,559 --> 00:17:44,897 I wasn’t even sure if I had enough information for it to be reportable. 265 00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:51,195 I reached out to a friend who had a lot of experience in that area. 266 00:17:51,237 --> 00:17:53,072 I told her what my daughter told me. 267 00:17:53,114 --> 00:17:54,866 I said, "What do I do?" 268 00:17:54,907 --> 00:17:56,707 And she said, "Audrey, you have to report it." 269 00:17:58,202 --> 00:18:01,664 And I knew with his powerful family, 270 00:18:01,706 --> 00:18:05,251 if I would report this and make this kind of an accusation, 271 00:18:05,293 --> 00:18:08,045 it could set the wheels in motion for a huge court battle 272 00:18:08,087 --> 00:18:10,047 and for me to possibly lose my kids. 273 00:18:10,089 --> 00:18:13,509 All these things are racing through their mind. 274 00:18:13,551 --> 00:18:16,012 "Is my child gonna be taken away? I don’t know the system." 275 00:18:16,053 --> 00:18:20,892 What do they do know about it has told to them by the leaders or the men, 276 00:18:20,933 --> 00:18:23,102 and so it’s not correct information. 277 00:18:25,104 --> 00:18:28,483 It was terrifying for me to get the authorities involved 278 00:18:28,524 --> 00:18:31,736 because my ex-husband straight out told me 279 00:18:31,777 --> 00:18:33,446 that if I went to the law 280 00:18:33,488 --> 00:18:36,073 that he would get custody of the children. 281 00:18:36,115 --> 00:18:39,410 And biggest fear was losing my children, 282 00:18:39,452 --> 00:18:41,037 the very thing I was fighting for. 283 00:18:41,078 --> 00:18:44,957 I filed for a restraining order 284 00:18:44,999 --> 00:18:47,126 the same day I made the report 285 00:18:47,168 --> 00:18:48,604 because I knew the first thing he was gonna do 286 00:18:48,628 --> 00:18:50,129 was come after the kids. 287 00:19:02,433 --> 00:19:05,394 Ahh! 288 00:19:05,436 --> 00:19:07,396 I’m gonna cry... 289 00:19:07,438 --> 00:19:09,065 ( laughing ) 290 00:19:09,106 --> 00:19:11,776 - ( muffled chatter ) - What? 291 00:19:11,818 --> 00:19:13,945 It’s so good to see you. 292 00:19:25,957 --> 00:19:27,792 - But you’ll be okay, right? - I always am. 293 00:19:27,834 --> 00:19:32,880 - One day. - Within this group of survivors that I put together, 294 00:19:32,922 --> 00:19:34,799 we all come from different communities, 295 00:19:34,841 --> 00:19:37,009 from different parts of the country, 296 00:19:37,051 --> 00:19:40,429 from different levels of Amish, strict to liberal, 297 00:19:40,471 --> 00:19:43,349 but shockingly, all of our stories are the same. 298 00:19:44,559 --> 00:19:46,435 Gosh, I can’t believe you’re here. 299 00:19:46,477 --> 00:19:48,604 Audrey: When you’ve walked through this kind of hell, 300 00:19:48,646 --> 00:19:52,400 and you can connect with people from the same cultural background, 301 00:19:52,441 --> 00:19:56,070 you form a deep bond even if you don’t even know each other that well. 302 00:19:57,447 --> 00:20:02,118 Mine was 17 years ago. Yours was, what, 16, 15? 303 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:03,536 - 16.16 years. - Yeah. 304 00:20:03,578 --> 00:20:06,456 I can’t begin to describe how momentous it is 305 00:20:06,497 --> 00:20:10,209 to have multiple survivors gather together 306 00:20:10,251 --> 00:20:12,086 and doing things together 307 00:20:12,128 --> 00:20:15,840 for the betterment of future generations of Amish people. 308 00:20:15,882 --> 00:20:20,136 For me, it’s validating and empowering, 309 00:20:20,178 --> 00:20:21,971 and it’s comforting to my younger self 310 00:20:22,013 --> 00:20:26,309 to know that even though I didn’t know each of you, I wasn’t alone. 311 00:20:26,350 --> 00:20:30,396 So to sit here and have this conversation with a group of women 312 00:20:30,438 --> 00:20:34,442 who have all walked away, who found their voice, who told their stories 313 00:20:34,484 --> 00:20:37,195 it’s validating, it’s empowering, 314 00:20:37,236 --> 00:20:42,867 and it’s just comforting to that younger part of me that was never believed. 315 00:20:42,909 --> 00:20:45,161 I’d be a millionaire if I had a dollar 316 00:20:45,203 --> 00:20:49,248 for every single time somebody’s looked at me and said, 317 00:20:49,290 --> 00:20:52,126 "But are you sure he would really do something like that?" 318 00:20:52,168 --> 00:20:56,088 - Right, right. - "I mean, isn’t this just a case of he said, she said?" 319 00:20:56,130 --> 00:20:57,524 Do you know how many times I’ve heard that? 320 00:20:57,548 --> 00:20:59,717 Where did that come from, "he said, she said"? 321 00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:04,347 Because so many of the cases, sexual assault cases, that’s all you have. 322 00:21:04,388 --> 00:21:06,682 Parents have to believe the child no matter what. 323 00:21:06,724 --> 00:21:12,271 I mean, there were times that even though I just could hardly believe it was possible, 324 00:21:12,313 --> 00:21:14,524 I still always believed my children. 325 00:21:14,565 --> 00:21:17,819 I’ve heard them tell countless people, "Mom always believed me." 326 00:21:17,860 --> 00:21:19,838 And they’d be like, "How did you have the courage to tell?" 327 00:21:19,862 --> 00:21:22,448 And they were like, "Mommy believed me. She always believed me." 328 00:21:26,702 --> 00:21:30,164 I still sometimes can’t really process it all. 329 00:21:30,206 --> 00:21:34,127 It still kind of feels like that was another life, another person, another world. 330 00:21:50,393 --> 00:21:52,145 Mom, do you need help with anything? 331 00:21:52,186 --> 00:21:55,398 I don’t think so. I think we’ve almost got it, like, literally. 332 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,237 - How’s you? - Good. 333 00:22:01,279 --> 00:22:03,079 Audrey: She said, "I’ll never forget the night 334 00:22:03,114 --> 00:22:04,574 I sat straight up in bed and said, 335 00:22:04,615 --> 00:22:05,783 "What the fuck? 336 00:22:05,825 --> 00:22:07,577 I’ve been sexually abused my whole life 337 00:22:07,618 --> 00:22:09,745 and I didn’t even know that’s what it was." 338 00:22:09,787 --> 00:22:13,249 ’Cause it started when she was so small, it’s all she ever knew. 339 00:22:17,462 --> 00:22:23,426 Then I said, "How did you not know to tell me?" 340 00:22:23,468 --> 00:22:26,596 And she said, "Mike would tell me that if I told, 341 00:22:26,637 --> 00:22:28,431 he would do it to the other children." 342 00:22:28,473 --> 00:22:30,099 And so she said, 343 00:22:30,141 --> 00:22:32,727 "In order to spare my siblings, I didn’t tell." 344 00:22:47,492 --> 00:22:50,286 Right before they went in for interviews, 345 00:22:50,328 --> 00:22:52,455 my other two daughters came to me, 346 00:22:52,497 --> 00:22:56,083 and my second oldest, Dorthea, said, 347 00:22:56,125 --> 00:23:01,589 "Mom, I know I’m gonna have to tell them what Dad did to me, 348 00:23:01,631 --> 00:23:03,341 so I guess I might as well tell you." 349 00:23:03,382 --> 00:23:07,470 There’s a lot of challenges for interviewers 350 00:23:07,512 --> 00:23:11,974 in communicating with Amish children when they do present. 351 00:23:12,016 --> 00:23:14,519 I personally can’t imagine what they’re going through, 352 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,396 the sadness in their heart to know that someone they love, 353 00:23:17,438 --> 00:23:20,483 trusted, can do these horrific things to them? 354 00:23:20,525 --> 00:23:23,820 When they become aware that it is wrong, 355 00:23:23,861 --> 00:23:25,488 it’s devastating. 356 00:23:28,199 --> 00:23:30,493 Audrey: My youngest daughter came to me. 357 00:23:30,535 --> 00:23:32,328 Angie remembers graphic details. 358 00:23:32,370 --> 00:23:34,539 Her story was one of the most graphic. 359 00:23:37,542 --> 00:23:40,336 She said from the age of about four or five 360 00:23:40,378 --> 00:23:45,007 until she was between seven and nine, he raped her. 361 00:23:45,049 --> 00:23:48,344 And I think her story cut me the most 362 00:23:48,386 --> 00:23:53,516 realizing that my ex-husband was raping a five-year-old child 363 00:23:53,558 --> 00:23:56,310 and she’s bleeding and begging him to stop. 364 00:23:56,352 --> 00:24:01,732 And he says, "Just wait a little bit longer. It’ll all be over soon." 365 00:24:01,774 --> 00:24:06,696 And I can’t tell you what it feels like as a mother 366 00:24:06,737 --> 00:24:10,700 to sit there beside your child and listen to them tell you 367 00:24:10,741 --> 00:24:13,661 what was done to them by their own father. 368 00:24:15,580 --> 00:24:18,207 Farrell: For those naysayers the don’t believe kids 369 00:24:18,249 --> 00:24:19,876 or say it’s a he said, she said case, 370 00:24:19,917 --> 00:24:22,545 when a child gives me details or tells me 371 00:24:22,587 --> 00:24:25,047 it felt like a tree trunk was going into their body, 372 00:24:25,089 --> 00:24:30,928 the detailed pattern print of her dad’s boxer shorts, 373 00:24:30,970 --> 00:24:32,889 the smells around, 374 00:24:32,930 --> 00:24:36,267 those are the things kids don’t just make up. 375 00:24:36,309 --> 00:24:38,561 Usually children tell me, 376 00:24:38,603 --> 00:24:40,688 you know, "I’ve never told this much 377 00:24:40,730 --> 00:24:44,567 because I don’t want anyone to know about how it felt. 378 00:24:44,609 --> 00:24:48,863 I don’t want anyone to know the shame and guilt I have." 379 00:25:00,792 --> 00:25:02,627 Audrey: The trooper filed the charges. 380 00:25:04,253 --> 00:25:06,672 32 counts, 381 00:25:06,714 --> 00:25:08,925 19 felonies, 382 00:25:08,966 --> 00:25:12,887 9 first-degree. 383 00:25:14,305 --> 00:25:17,016 He was arrested a day or two later, 384 00:25:17,058 --> 00:25:20,311 and the community supported him from the get go. 385 00:25:20,353 --> 00:25:23,439 The community put the bail money together. 386 00:25:23,481 --> 00:25:25,608 The community excommunicated me. 387 00:25:25,650 --> 00:25:29,529 The community has sheltered him and harbored him 388 00:25:29,570 --> 00:25:31,447 and paid for his attorney. 389 00:25:31,489 --> 00:25:34,117 From the very get go, they have coddled him 390 00:25:34,158 --> 00:25:36,828 and they left me to fend for myself. 391 00:25:46,087 --> 00:25:47,630 How does it make you feel 392 00:25:47,672 --> 00:25:50,383 to see Audrey fighting for her kids? 393 00:25:52,844 --> 00:25:54,011 It’s okay to cry. 394 00:25:56,472 --> 00:26:01,018 It’s almost unfathomable to think that any parent 395 00:26:01,060 --> 00:26:04,605 inside of an Amish home could ever, 396 00:26:04,647 --> 00:26:08,025 ever even begin to fight for their kids. 397 00:26:10,611 --> 00:26:13,656 Misty: It’s just so structured over the years 398 00:26:13,698 --> 00:26:16,075 that you just push it aside, you make them be quiet, 399 00:26:16,117 --> 00:26:21,456 and forgive and move on, and that’s just how it’s done. 400 00:26:21,497 --> 00:26:24,125 I can remember the first time I called the police 401 00:26:24,167 --> 00:26:26,461 I was terrified out of my mind. 402 00:26:26,502 --> 00:26:28,463 I didn’t even know how to do it, 403 00:26:28,504 --> 00:26:30,923 and I was afraid there would be some type of repercussions. 404 00:26:30,965 --> 00:26:34,802 I was terrified of what would happen when Mike found out 405 00:26:34,844 --> 00:26:37,305 that I called the cops 406 00:26:37,346 --> 00:26:39,056 because there’s always repercussions. 407 00:26:39,098 --> 00:26:40,516 You don’t do that. 408 00:26:52,528 --> 00:26:54,739 You’ve got neighbors that spy on you, right? 409 00:26:54,781 --> 00:26:56,449 Yeah, that’s why I built that fence. 410 00:26:56,491 --> 00:26:58,075 They would stand in those windows 411 00:26:58,117 --> 00:26:59,660 and watch everything we did. 412 00:26:59,702 --> 00:27:01,847 They’d stand in there and watch us swimming on Sundays. 413 00:27:01,871 --> 00:27:03,331 Meg: So they are on Mike’s side or... 414 00:27:03,372 --> 00:27:04,558 - Oh, yeah. - They’re just nosy? 415 00:27:04,582 --> 00:27:07,710 Audrey: No, they’re on Mike’s side. 416 00:27:09,712 --> 00:27:15,009 February of 2020 was when the physical harassment started. 417 00:27:17,595 --> 00:27:20,306 That was when they first broke into my home. 418 00:27:20,348 --> 00:27:22,725 They were looking for dirt on me. 419 00:27:22,767 --> 00:27:24,977 In the Amish world, it’s a social game 420 00:27:25,019 --> 00:27:27,522 of whoever can make the other person look worse. 421 00:27:27,563 --> 00:27:32,109 So it became this cycle of them breaking into my house. 422 00:27:32,151 --> 00:27:35,154 And they would stand down there by my children’s beds 423 00:27:35,196 --> 00:27:36,864 in the dark in the doorways. 424 00:27:36,906 --> 00:27:38,950 Dorthea: I used to not be able to sleep at night, 425 00:27:38,991 --> 00:27:42,870 and I would just lay there, and it felt like any minute 426 00:27:42,912 --> 00:27:45,790 someone was gonna come into my room with a gun. 427 00:27:45,832 --> 00:27:50,086 Or it felt like anytime was home by myself, you know, 428 00:27:50,128 --> 00:27:53,214 I was gonna hear somebody and they were gonna hurt me. 429 00:27:53,256 --> 00:27:57,343 It’s, like, every time I came home, it felt like somebody was gonna be here. 430 00:27:57,385 --> 00:28:00,555 Audrey: There’s something that it does to you psychologically 431 00:28:00,596 --> 00:28:04,058 when your last safe place on the face of the Earth 432 00:28:04,100 --> 00:28:05,560 is no longer safe. 433 00:28:05,601 --> 00:28:07,895 That’s the kind of stuff that they do 434 00:28:07,937 --> 00:28:10,648 to try to destroy the people who speak up. 435 00:28:14,110 --> 00:28:17,572 Sometimes pressure is put on victims by the Amish community 436 00:28:17,613 --> 00:28:19,574 to not cooperate with law enforcement, 437 00:28:19,615 --> 00:28:22,743 or various things to prevent them from engaging 438 00:28:22,785 --> 00:28:25,037 in the criminal justice system like anyone else would. 439 00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:29,459 Woman: There’s a lot of emphasis on, 440 00:28:29,500 --> 00:28:32,044 "We deal with problems as a church. 441 00:28:32,086 --> 00:28:35,465 We do not go world, as they term it, for help. 442 00:28:35,506 --> 00:28:39,427 There’s this very strong expectation 443 00:28:39,469 --> 00:28:42,430 that even if there is an abuse case, 444 00:28:42,472 --> 00:28:46,017 you just quietly suffer for the sake of the Lord. 445 00:28:46,058 --> 00:28:51,898 In their desire to try to exonerate the offender or minimize what he’s done 446 00:28:51,939 --> 00:28:55,776 and make it not be quite so horrible and evil and terrible, 447 00:28:55,818 --> 00:28:58,196 they’re willing to assign blame to the victim. 448 00:28:58,237 --> 00:29:01,783 Hinton: Every bit of their theology is twisted. 449 00:29:01,824 --> 00:29:04,452 There’s this theology that rape happens, 450 00:29:04,494 --> 00:29:07,789 abuse happens, people fall into temptation, 451 00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:10,708 and that’s okay because God is a very giving God. 452 00:29:10,750 --> 00:29:12,794 Grace can wipe all of that out, 453 00:29:12,835 --> 00:29:15,963 and we’re all gonna be in heaven singing together 454 00:29:16,005 --> 00:29:18,132 and, you know, praying together, 455 00:29:18,174 --> 00:29:20,968 except for those who spoke out about abuse. 456 00:29:21,010 --> 00:29:24,639 Reinaker: They can be subjected to a lot of pressure 457 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,517 and ostracization from the rest of the community. 458 00:29:27,558 --> 00:29:29,268 They can be shunned by the community. 459 00:29:29,310 --> 00:29:33,815 They can basically be removed from the Amish community, 460 00:29:33,856 --> 00:29:36,234 and that’s the only life they’ve known. 461 00:29:38,653 --> 00:29:41,489 At first they just started following me to work, 462 00:29:41,531 --> 00:29:43,449 and parking and watching me around town. 463 00:29:43,491 --> 00:29:46,119 And then they would drive back and forth past the house real slow, 464 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,888 and of course terrify my kids out of their minds. 465 00:29:47,912 --> 00:29:50,123 The cops were like, "We’ll put up a trail camera 466 00:29:50,164 --> 00:29:52,291 and we’ll get license plates." It wasn’t enough. 467 00:29:52,333 --> 00:29:54,210 They were watching everything we did. 468 00:29:54,252 --> 00:29:57,880 They knew exactly when we came and went for every single thing. 469 00:29:57,922 --> 00:29:59,841 I know they’re trying to push me out of my home. 470 00:29:59,882 --> 00:30:02,677 They’re trying to force me away. I won’t leave. 471 00:30:02,718 --> 00:30:06,013 It’s my home and I’m not going anywhere. 472 00:30:06,055 --> 00:30:09,308 And it’s like the cops told me multiple times, 473 00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:12,520 "You do what you have to do and we’ll clean up the mess when we get there." 474 00:30:12,562 --> 00:30:15,189 I’m armed all the time and I don’t mess around. 475 00:30:15,231 --> 00:30:18,025 I was working, and I was trying to take care of children 476 00:30:18,067 --> 00:30:20,027 - who were suicidal and who weren’t okay. - Yeah. 477 00:30:20,069 --> 00:30:22,321 And so it was, like, dealing with all 478 00:30:22,363 --> 00:30:25,867 the constant trauma of my children and their needs, 479 00:30:25,908 --> 00:30:28,536 and then trying to deal with all the trauma of not knowing 480 00:30:28,578 --> 00:30:30,872 - what’s gonna happen next or what they could do. - Yeah. 481 00:30:30,913 --> 00:30:33,249 You and I both know what they’re capable of. 482 00:30:33,291 --> 00:30:35,960 Yep. That we do. 483 00:30:52,226 --> 00:30:55,188 Audrey: "Dear Audrey, we write this letter with heavy hearts 484 00:30:55,229 --> 00:30:59,066 and a longing to see you return to God’s way. 485 00:30:59,108 --> 00:31:01,861 However, you continue to choose a selfish and sinful path 486 00:31:01,903 --> 00:31:04,071 at the expense of your children’s security, 487 00:31:04,113 --> 00:31:06,699 your husband’s heart, and your own soul. 488 00:31:06,741 --> 00:31:08,201 We long for you to find rest again. 489 00:31:08,242 --> 00:31:10,453 I know life has dealt you some hard blows, 490 00:31:10,495 --> 00:31:13,206 but it’s only the beginning unless you get rid of the bitterness. 491 00:31:13,247 --> 00:31:15,458 We don’t want that for you and the children. 492 00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:18,836 We want peace and rest for you all. 493 00:31:18,878 --> 00:31:22,089 With love and prayers, Leroy Kauffman and Irving Kauffman." 494 00:31:33,935 --> 00:31:37,897 Since I left the DA’s office in January of 2017, 495 00:31:37,939 --> 00:31:40,191 I’ve had a lot of Amish cases since then. 496 00:31:40,233 --> 00:31:43,694 I would say a majority of the times that I have a defendant who’s Amish, 497 00:31:43,736 --> 00:31:45,905 they typically admit it right away. 498 00:31:45,947 --> 00:31:48,491 They say they’ve done it, so it’s less of, you know, 499 00:31:48,533 --> 00:31:50,076 this whole thing of defending. 500 00:31:50,118 --> 00:31:52,703 It’s more of just trying to mitigate their sentence. 501 00:32:02,672 --> 00:32:06,384 Now working with the defendant, I have to, first of all, 502 00:32:06,425 --> 00:32:09,105 show them that they’re going to lose, show them the evidence and say, 503 00:32:09,137 --> 00:32:11,472 "There’s no way that a jury’s gonna find you not guilty 504 00:32:11,514 --> 00:32:12,765 based on what we have here," 505 00:32:12,807 --> 00:32:14,767 then give them the best advice I can 506 00:32:14,809 --> 00:32:16,602 as to what they should do going forward. 507 00:32:16,644 --> 00:32:19,355 I have to keep explaining to them, 508 00:32:19,397 --> 00:32:22,608 you know, what they did, and why that’s a crime, 509 00:32:22,650 --> 00:32:24,443 and what they’re looking at for punishment. 510 00:32:24,485 --> 00:32:26,422 And they feel as though they’ve corrected it within their community. 511 00:32:26,446 --> 00:32:29,782 This person’s been remorseful, has admitted to the sin, 512 00:32:29,824 --> 00:32:32,160 has done whatever their bishop has told them to do, 513 00:32:32,201 --> 00:32:35,121 and for them that’s it. 514 00:32:35,163 --> 00:32:37,957 But then here we come from outside telling them, 515 00:32:37,999 --> 00:32:39,542 "Oh, no, you’re going to state prison," 516 00:32:39,584 --> 00:32:40,918 and they don’t like that at all. 517 00:32:43,337 --> 00:32:45,631 They never wanna have the victim testify. 518 00:32:45,673 --> 00:32:48,968 The victims sometimes are very inarticulate either because they’re young 519 00:32:49,010 --> 00:32:50,988 or because they’re just not experienced in this area. 520 00:32:51,012 --> 00:32:52,322 So they don’t even know how to describe 521 00:32:52,346 --> 00:32:53,598 certain parts of their body. 522 00:32:53,639 --> 00:32:56,851 And when they talk to the police, 523 00:32:56,893 --> 00:32:59,770 they’re descriptions sometimes are really, really difficult 524 00:32:59,812 --> 00:33:01,314 to understand what may have happened. 525 00:33:01,355 --> 00:33:04,192 And the person I represent will say, you know, 526 00:33:04,233 --> 00:33:08,321 "I did molest this person, but I didn’t do these things," 527 00:33:08,362 --> 00:33:10,823 And that’s usually the worst of it, is figuring out, 528 00:33:10,865 --> 00:33:12,825 "Well, he said he did this but not quite this, 529 00:33:12,867 --> 00:33:14,285 and can we drop these charges?" 530 00:33:14,327 --> 00:33:17,205 That’s usually it. 531 00:33:17,246 --> 00:33:19,457 You have this Amish defendant who has all this support 532 00:33:19,499 --> 00:33:22,668 from the community and the family. 533 00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:24,670 I think that the English person may come out of it 534 00:33:24,712 --> 00:33:27,924 with a worse sentence than the Amish. 535 00:33:48,611 --> 00:33:51,197 Audrey: Today I’m meeting with the DA and the prosecution team 536 00:33:51,239 --> 00:33:54,867 to discuss plea bargain versus trial, 537 00:33:54,909 --> 00:33:58,162 what types of safety measures can be put in place, 538 00:33:58,204 --> 00:34:03,376 whether they incarcerate him upon agreeing to a guilty plea 539 00:34:03,417 --> 00:34:06,379 rather than waiting for a separate date to turn himself in. 540 00:34:06,420 --> 00:34:09,715 We’re hoping for a million dollar cash bond. 541 00:34:09,757 --> 00:34:11,968 We really don’t want him walking the streets. 542 00:34:35,950 --> 00:34:38,077 I’m not really sure that they changed a whole lot 543 00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:40,288 because I went into the meeting pretty open ended. 544 00:34:45,168 --> 00:34:47,920 I would say with everything considered 545 00:34:47,962 --> 00:34:51,090 and all the different topics we discussed today, 546 00:34:51,132 --> 00:34:54,594 a plea is going to be a guarantee. 547 00:34:54,635 --> 00:34:55,635 A trial might not be. 548 00:35:02,393 --> 00:35:05,396 The first question the older ones are probably gonna have is, 549 00:35:05,438 --> 00:35:08,774 "Well, so give me numbers. Like, how long are we talking?" 550 00:35:08,816 --> 00:35:10,568 And they’re gonna be disappointed. 551 00:35:14,238 --> 00:35:15,281 So... 552 00:35:16,783 --> 00:35:18,201 As I learned today, 553 00:35:18,242 --> 00:35:21,120 Cumberland County is one of the most lenient counties 554 00:35:21,162 --> 00:35:23,539 for offenders in Pennsylvania. 555 00:35:26,501 --> 00:35:29,295 But his defense attorney says, 556 00:35:29,337 --> 00:35:32,965 "We recognize he’s gonna have to plead guilty to some felonies. 557 00:35:33,007 --> 00:35:36,135 We’re willing to accept Megan’s Law 558 00:35:36,177 --> 00:35:37,845 and sexually violent predator. 559 00:35:37,887 --> 00:35:40,807 My client is thinking 560 00:35:40,848 --> 00:35:43,893 two years in county work release 561 00:35:43,935 --> 00:35:47,814 because he has a lot of family members 562 00:35:47,855 --> 00:35:50,024 that depend on him for financial support. 563 00:35:50,066 --> 00:35:52,151 And if they don’t have that support, 564 00:35:52,193 --> 00:35:53,945 they’re just not gonna be able to make it." 565 00:35:53,986 --> 00:35:56,823 So he wants two years and then work release 566 00:35:56,864 --> 00:35:58,491 and only sexually violent predator? 567 00:35:58,533 --> 00:36:00,159 He’s a fucking pedophile! 568 00:36:00,201 --> 00:36:03,287 He wants two years on work release. 569 00:36:03,329 --> 00:36:06,499 - Wait, meaning what? - No incarceration. 570 00:36:06,541 --> 00:36:08,459 - No! - Yes, exactly. 571 00:36:08,501 --> 00:36:11,462 - No! What the fuck? - No, he’s not gonna get that, 572 00:36:11,504 --> 00:36:14,048 but that’s the bargain they came with. 573 00:36:14,090 --> 00:36:18,261 Most times they won’t even accept Megan’s Law 574 00:36:18,302 --> 00:36:20,489 - or a sexually violent predator. - What’s Megan’s Law? 575 00:36:20,513 --> 00:36:23,474 Okay, so Megan’s Law means he’s going to have to sign up 576 00:36:23,516 --> 00:36:26,853 for the rest of his life, register everywhere he lives. 577 00:36:26,894 --> 00:36:28,521 - As a sex offender. - As a sex offender. 578 00:36:28,563 --> 00:36:31,357 He’s not a fucking sex offender. He’s a pedophile! 579 00:36:31,399 --> 00:36:34,026 - I understand that. - He’s a child predator. 580 00:36:34,068 --> 00:36:36,154 He’s not just a sexual offender. 581 00:36:37,738 --> 00:36:40,032 - I know. - What the fuck? 582 00:36:40,074 --> 00:36:42,869 Does the rape of a six-year-old not mean anything? 583 00:36:42,910 --> 00:36:44,203 This isn’t fair. 584 00:36:44,245 --> 00:36:46,706 It’s not fair. It’s not. 585 00:36:46,747 --> 00:36:49,417 And he just gets off with all of this? 586 00:36:49,459 --> 00:36:52,170 It’s not going to be fair. I understand. 587 00:36:52,211 --> 00:36:54,547 So, we can insist on taking this to trial, 588 00:36:54,589 --> 00:36:58,384 but you must understand this is what trial could look like. 589 00:36:58,426 --> 00:37:01,888 But if they’re willing to do a plea bargain, 590 00:37:01,929 --> 00:37:03,609 then we should exhaust those options first. 591 00:37:03,639 --> 00:37:07,935 Maybe we can get ten years servable 592 00:37:07,977 --> 00:37:10,229 and ten years probation. 593 00:37:11,606 --> 00:37:13,858 At this point, 594 00:37:13,900 --> 00:37:17,403 it’s probably gonna be about the best we’re gonna get. 595 00:37:17,445 --> 00:37:20,072 So it’s a lose-lose. It really doesn’t matter. 596 00:37:20,114 --> 00:37:21,754 We’re not gonna get anything that we want. 597 00:37:24,118 --> 00:37:28,206 We’re not going to get the level that we wanted, no. 598 00:37:34,670 --> 00:37:36,380 I’m sorry. 599 00:37:46,641 --> 00:37:48,684 When I see the big picture, 600 00:37:48,726 --> 00:37:51,270 I see that an Amish man 601 00:37:51,312 --> 00:37:53,731 can rape a child and have a reduced sentence. 602 00:37:53,773 --> 00:37:56,025 You can get longer for burglary, 603 00:37:56,067 --> 00:38:00,404 for possession of a small amount of whatever, 604 00:38:00,446 --> 00:38:04,242 than you do for raping a child for 15 years. 605 00:38:04,283 --> 00:38:05,952 Audrey: Just take for example, 606 00:38:05,993 --> 00:38:10,289 Mike’s charges carry a minimum of five and a maximum of ten. 607 00:38:10,331 --> 00:38:11,975 - How is that even possible? - How is that possible? 608 00:38:11,999 --> 00:38:13,626 And he’s raped three of his kids. 609 00:38:13,668 --> 00:38:15,336 That’s fucked up. 610 00:38:15,378 --> 00:38:18,673 Misty: Torturing a child for so many years 611 00:38:18,714 --> 00:38:21,300 and that’s okay to let them out after five or ten years? 612 00:38:21,342 --> 00:38:25,096 Does our justice system really believe that is justice? 613 00:38:50,204 --> 00:38:53,624 The day of the plea hearing was... 614 00:38:55,209 --> 00:38:58,296 hard for all of us in different ways. 615 00:38:58,337 --> 00:39:02,633 The prior agreement was that he would plead guilty. 616 00:39:04,427 --> 00:39:07,805 And like I told the DA beforehand, 617 00:39:07,847 --> 00:39:10,183 I said, "They always have an ace up their sleeve." 618 00:39:10,224 --> 00:39:13,102 So I said, "We’ll wait to see what this one is." 619 00:39:13,144 --> 00:39:16,314 He had two rape charges, rape and forcible rape. 620 00:39:16,355 --> 00:39:18,691 They wanted us to drop the rape charge 621 00:39:18,733 --> 00:39:22,528 because without that word, 622 00:39:22,570 --> 00:39:24,530 he can spin the narrative to his community, 623 00:39:24,572 --> 00:39:27,450 "Well, you know, he didn’t rape them." 624 00:39:27,492 --> 00:39:32,413 But to us, the word wasn’t as important as closure. 625 00:39:34,248 --> 00:39:37,543 Taking it to trial would’ve probably gotten him 626 00:39:37,585 --> 00:39:39,003 a heavier sentence. 627 00:39:39,045 --> 00:39:41,756 It could’ve dragged on for another whole year. 628 00:39:41,798 --> 00:39:44,717 And that was... it was time to wrap it up for the kids’ sake. 629 00:39:44,759 --> 00:39:48,387 And so we agreed to it with the understanding 630 00:39:48,429 --> 00:39:52,725 with the DA that she would specifically spell out 631 00:39:52,767 --> 00:39:55,561 during the hearing 632 00:39:55,603 --> 00:39:59,649 the specific acts that he did on each child. 633 00:39:59,690 --> 00:40:04,237 She spelled out in detail how he raped them. 634 00:40:04,278 --> 00:40:06,155 The judge asked him if he did it, 635 00:40:06,197 --> 00:40:08,324 and he said yes. 636 00:40:08,366 --> 00:40:13,204 And she asked him if he believes that the court could prove him guilty 637 00:40:13,246 --> 00:40:15,915 beyond all reasonable doubt, and he said yes. 638 00:40:15,957 --> 00:40:18,918 And she asked him how he pleads, 639 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,795 and he said, "No contest." 640 00:40:26,592 --> 00:40:30,930 He admitted that he knows you can prove it, 641 00:40:30,972 --> 00:40:34,183 but he won’t admit it. 642 00:40:34,225 --> 00:40:37,687 The agreement was he would plead guilty. 643 00:40:37,728 --> 00:40:39,772 If I would’ve known he wasn’t gonna plead guilty, 644 00:40:39,814 --> 00:40:42,316 I probably wouldn’t have agreed to dropping the rape charge. 645 00:40:52,827 --> 00:40:56,330 - Misty: The sentencing is finally almost here and... - Audrey: Almost. 646 00:40:56,372 --> 00:41:00,710 We’re just here to support you and let you know that you’re not alone. 647 00:41:00,751 --> 00:41:04,213 It’s, you know, the last leg of the journey hopefully. 648 00:41:04,255 --> 00:41:08,301 We’re kind of here to hold up your arms when their getting tired, right? 649 00:41:13,306 --> 00:41:15,433 Just realizing that people care enough 650 00:41:15,475 --> 00:41:19,770 to sit there and listen and then respond is huge. 651 00:41:19,812 --> 00:41:21,481 We want to do that for you. 652 00:41:21,522 --> 00:41:25,359 And hopefully it will not be a repeat situation 653 00:41:25,401 --> 00:41:27,820 of what happened in my court sentencing. 654 00:41:27,862 --> 00:41:32,408 I hope they send him away for a long, long time, 655 00:41:32,450 --> 00:41:35,119 so that your children can feel safe in their own beds, 656 00:41:35,161 --> 00:41:37,205 so you can feel safe in your own home. 657 00:41:37,246 --> 00:41:42,001 I deserve to be able to go to sleep at night 658 00:41:42,043 --> 00:41:46,547 and not have to be afraid of who’s gonna break into my home. 659 00:41:46,589 --> 00:41:50,301 I shouldn’t have to carry a gun with me ready to shoot at any moment. 660 00:41:50,343 --> 00:41:52,011 I shouldn’t have to do that all the time. 661 00:41:52,053 --> 00:41:54,180 It’s time for that to end. 662 00:42:00,686 --> 00:42:03,648 My darkest moment was when I realized 663 00:42:03,689 --> 00:42:06,859 that the man that I married was a monster. 664 00:42:08,361 --> 00:42:10,321 All of the dreams that I had 665 00:42:10,363 --> 00:42:12,824 for a normal healthy family have been shattered. 666 00:42:12,865 --> 00:42:17,495 Even though we will come out of this stronger in some ways, 667 00:42:17,537 --> 00:42:20,331 we will never know what normal is. 668 00:42:20,373 --> 00:42:22,500 We’re gonna park in the parking garage. 669 00:42:22,542 --> 00:42:26,212 The rape crisis advocate is gonna meet us outside the courthouse. 670 00:42:36,556 --> 00:42:39,517 As a mother, realizing that I didn’t know 671 00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:41,811 that the person that was supposed to be 672 00:42:41,853 --> 00:42:46,691 the safest and the closest to my children and to me 673 00:42:46,732 --> 00:42:51,696 was committing such evil crimes against them is life-altering. 674 00:42:51,737 --> 00:42:54,532 Is there a way to be ready for a day like this? I don’t know. 675 00:42:54,574 --> 00:42:57,285 - No, not really. - I don’t think there is. 676 00:43:02,415 --> 00:43:04,375 I don’t know if this road really ever ends, 677 00:43:04,417 --> 00:43:09,380 but at least safety should begin after today, 678 00:43:09,422 --> 00:43:12,758 a small measure of justice maybe. 679 00:43:15,636 --> 00:43:16,929 Yes. 680 00:43:18,890 --> 00:43:19,932 Yeah. 681 00:43:35,490 --> 00:43:39,577 First of all, Judge Peck, I, Audrey Kauffman, 682 00:43:39,619 --> 00:43:42,705 the mother of the victims and the ex-wife of the perpetrator, 683 00:43:42,747 --> 00:43:44,999 want to thank you for the opportunity to be heard 684 00:43:45,041 --> 00:43:47,585 and to tell my truth. 685 00:43:47,627 --> 00:43:50,254 How does a father use the power 686 00:43:50,296 --> 00:43:53,049 he inherently possesses for love and protection 687 00:43:53,090 --> 00:43:55,426 to rape and abuse, dehumanize, 688 00:43:55,468 --> 00:43:57,094 intimidate his own blood? 689 00:43:57,136 --> 00:43:59,597 And how do I describe a culture 690 00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:03,768 where sexual abuse is completely normal? 691 00:44:03,810 --> 00:44:05,603 A culture that not only hides abuse, 692 00:44:05,645 --> 00:44:08,773 but rallies to protect the evil perpetrators. 693 00:44:08,815 --> 00:44:12,777 A culture that people support, romanticize, and enable 694 00:44:12,819 --> 00:44:14,403 because they don’t want to believe 695 00:44:14,445 --> 00:44:16,114 it is anything more than harmless, 696 00:44:16,155 --> 00:44:18,449 peaceful people, strong work ethic, 697 00:44:18,491 --> 00:44:20,284 and delicious baked goods. 698 00:44:20,326 --> 00:44:23,246 Each of my children are Michael’s victims, 699 00:44:23,287 --> 00:44:24,914 each one in a different way. 700 00:44:24,956 --> 00:44:26,308 They will spend the rest of their lives 701 00:44:26,332 --> 00:44:28,126 fighting demons and battles 702 00:44:28,167 --> 00:44:30,002 that no one should ever have to, 703 00:44:30,044 --> 00:44:31,629 much less a child. 704 00:44:31,671 --> 00:44:34,966 Michael Kauffman chose to violate his children 705 00:44:35,007 --> 00:44:36,676 in the worst of possible ways. 706 00:44:36,717 --> 00:44:39,762 He chose to rape and assault and destroy 707 00:44:39,804 --> 00:44:42,807 the very beings he helped create. 708 00:44:42,849 --> 00:44:46,269 He is no father. He is a monster. 709 00:44:46,310 --> 00:44:51,023 He stood in the pulpit publically leading devotions and congregational prayer 710 00:44:51,065 --> 00:44:54,986 and then raped and assaulted his children behind closed doors. 711 00:44:55,027 --> 00:44:58,948 No matter what legal consequences he receives today, 712 00:44:58,990 --> 00:45:02,076 nothing in this life will ever bring back what he stole from us. 713 00:45:04,245 --> 00:45:07,832 But this sentence will keep him from violating more children, 714 00:45:07,874 --> 00:45:10,168 it will give his victims, including myself, 715 00:45:10,209 --> 00:45:12,336 space to heal without fear. 716 00:45:12,378 --> 00:45:14,547 This sentence will show the children 717 00:45:14,589 --> 00:45:16,525 that there are people and authorities in this world 718 00:45:16,549 --> 00:45:18,968 that believe them and want to keep them safe, 719 00:45:19,010 --> 00:45:21,012 that there is some level of justice 720 00:45:21,053 --> 00:45:22,722 not just on judgment day. 721 00:45:22,763 --> 00:45:25,683 Honorable Judge Peck, at this moment, 722 00:45:25,725 --> 00:45:28,686 you hold in your hands the opportunity to protect my children 723 00:45:28,728 --> 00:45:30,521 and show them how much a child is worth. 724 00:45:50,374 --> 00:45:51,375 Are you coming? 725 00:45:51,417 --> 00:45:53,878 ( indistinct chatter ) 726 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,379 Are you taking Sunny? 727 00:45:55,421 --> 00:45:57,507 You’re good. 728 00:45:58,841 --> 00:46:00,676 I love you, baby. 729 00:46:05,765 --> 00:46:08,559 It went well, as far as well can go. 730 00:46:08,601 --> 00:46:11,896 I was impressed the judge called him out and called him what he was. 731 00:46:11,938 --> 00:46:14,982 He’s the epitome of a pedophile and a sex offender. 732 00:46:18,444 --> 00:46:19,797 They sentenced him to what we expected, 733 00:46:19,821 --> 00:46:23,199 5 to 20 years, mandatory 10 years probation, 734 00:46:23,241 --> 00:46:26,577 and he will be listed as a sexually violent predator. 735 00:46:26,619 --> 00:46:28,412 It looks like about ten years 736 00:46:28,454 --> 00:46:30,456 before he’s eligible for any release. 737 00:46:38,214 --> 00:46:40,758 Obviously I’d like to see him in there for life, 738 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,885 but that’s not reasonable at this point. 739 00:46:45,972 --> 00:46:49,058 I don’t look at him anymore as a father or a husband. 740 00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:50,977 I look at him as a pedophile and a criminal. 741 00:46:51,018 --> 00:46:54,063 - Just let me give you a hug. - Okay. 742 00:47:04,323 --> 00:47:08,161 ( sobbing ) 743 00:47:16,919 --> 00:47:18,296 I guess through the whole process 744 00:47:18,337 --> 00:47:19,839 my biggest concern was our safety 745 00:47:19,881 --> 00:47:22,925 because the family harassment we’ve had. 746 00:47:22,967 --> 00:47:24,510 - I love you so much. - Love you, too. 747 00:47:24,552 --> 00:47:26,220 Thank you so much for coming. 748 00:47:28,181 --> 00:47:29,182 I know. 749 00:47:33,686 --> 00:47:36,606 Well, it’s here. We did it. It’s over. 750 00:47:38,024 --> 00:47:39,275 But there was a lot... 751 00:47:39,317 --> 00:47:40,943 It took a lot to get to this point. 752 00:47:40,985 --> 00:47:43,112 I guess I just want to take this opportunity 753 00:47:43,154 --> 00:47:46,157 to thank each and every single person in this room 754 00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:47,658 for everything you’ve done. 755 00:47:47,700 --> 00:47:49,035 There’s just so much. 756 00:47:49,076 --> 00:47:51,662 There’s so much, I could never process it all. 757 00:47:53,206 --> 00:47:55,833 It’s going to be day by day for a while, 758 00:47:55,875 --> 00:47:57,835 but the process of healing, 759 00:47:57,877 --> 00:48:00,004 we’ve come so far just in the last year 760 00:48:00,046 --> 00:48:03,508 that another year is going to bring another whole level. 761 00:48:03,549 --> 00:48:06,844 So, you know, will I stay in the area? 762 00:48:06,886 --> 00:48:09,347 I don’t know. Probably not permanently. 763 00:48:09,388 --> 00:48:10,932 I’m here right now. 764 00:48:10,973 --> 00:48:14,143 And their goal was to run me out from the beginning. 765 00:48:14,185 --> 00:48:18,856 That’s what they do. And I refuse to run. 766 00:48:18,898 --> 00:48:23,236 It’s my home, so guess they got to put up with me. 767 00:48:28,908 --> 00:48:30,993 This is why I say there’s no justice. 768 00:48:31,035 --> 00:48:34,205 Justice is a myth. There is no justice. 769 00:48:34,247 --> 00:48:35,540 But you know what, Mary? 770 00:48:35,581 --> 00:48:37,875 It feels like there’s no justice 771 00:48:37,917 --> 00:48:40,878 and it can feel like there’s no hope. 772 00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:45,508 But if I think about how alone you were at your court hearing 773 00:48:45,550 --> 00:48:48,511 or how alone Audrey has been in her journey 774 00:48:48,553 --> 00:48:50,847 or how alone Misty has been 775 00:48:50,888 --> 00:48:54,851 or how alone that my mom was and I was in our story, 776 00:48:54,892 --> 00:48:58,563 the four of us are now sitting together 777 00:48:58,604 --> 00:49:00,064 and our stories are being heard. 778 00:49:00,106 --> 00:49:03,734 And your story won’t be for naught. 779 00:49:03,776 --> 00:49:06,737 It’ll give somebody else courage to come forward, 780 00:49:06,779 --> 00:49:10,908 and I could imagine a flood happening. 781 00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:14,245 We’re like the crack in the dam. 782 00:49:14,287 --> 00:49:17,081 But when that flood comes, 783 00:49:17,123 --> 00:49:19,709 justice has to follow. 784 00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:21,919 We will never get justice in this life 785 00:49:21,961 --> 00:49:24,630 for the crimes that have been committed against us. 786 00:49:24,672 --> 00:49:27,758 But I hope that our story 787 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,386 will bring light and hope to other survivors. 788 00:49:30,428 --> 00:49:33,014 Even if they never have the strength to come forward, 789 00:49:33,055 --> 00:49:36,434 they need... they deserve to know they’re not alone. 790 00:49:36,476 --> 00:49:38,936 A group put together... we have the Civil Rights movement, 791 00:49:38,978 --> 00:49:41,189 we have the Women’s Rights movement. 792 00:49:41,230 --> 00:49:43,941 I mean those movements, they created change. 793 00:49:43,983 --> 00:49:48,112 So if people come on board and say, yes, we’re going to stand up 794 00:49:48,154 --> 00:49:49,614 and we’re going to say no to this, 795 00:49:49,655 --> 00:49:51,783 we’re going to change this scenario... 796 00:49:51,824 --> 00:49:53,761 I mean, if enough people come together and do that, 797 00:49:53,785 --> 00:49:55,286 we can change it. 798 00:50:11,344 --> 00:50:16,641 The Amish and Mennonite children are America’s children, 799 00:50:16,682 --> 00:50:17,993 and they are the forgotten children. 800 00:50:18,017 --> 00:50:20,311 They are the invisible children. 801 00:50:20,353 --> 00:50:25,316 We need America to help us to create a change. 802 00:50:25,358 --> 00:50:27,902 We need the outside world. 803 00:50:27,944 --> 00:50:29,987 What is happening within the Amish communities 804 00:50:30,029 --> 00:50:32,156 cannot be ignored any longer, 805 00:50:32,198 --> 00:50:36,828 and it is our nation’s duty to protect these children 806 00:50:36,869 --> 00:50:38,579 and to start paying attention. 807 00:50:38,621 --> 00:50:41,124 I think there might be some tiny shift 808 00:50:41,165 --> 00:50:44,752 and some tiny change that is positive that is happening. 809 00:50:44,794 --> 00:50:48,506 Because law enforcement, in some cases, 810 00:50:48,548 --> 00:50:50,341 are making arrests 811 00:50:50,383 --> 00:50:53,761 and district attorneys are pressing charges 812 00:50:53,803 --> 00:50:57,348 against people who knew and failed to report. 813 00:50:59,350 --> 00:51:01,352 I think change within the Plain community 814 00:51:01,394 --> 00:51:05,231 has to come from people who are already inside of the Plain community, 815 00:51:05,273 --> 00:51:08,317 and they have to have the courage to stand up to evil. 816 00:51:08,359 --> 00:51:11,404 They have to stop going along with this broken system. 817 00:51:11,446 --> 00:51:15,450 This system is so powerful. It’s so corrupt. 818 00:51:15,491 --> 00:51:18,536 It’s so twisted. It’s so evil. 819 00:51:18,578 --> 00:51:21,038 It’s so private. 820 00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,207 Somebody from within that community 821 00:51:23,249 --> 00:51:25,418 has to stand up to evil and say enough is enough. 822 00:51:27,962 --> 00:51:30,798 Misty: This has to change. We are not going to be quiet. 823 00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,884 We’re not going to be brushed aside. 824 00:51:32,925 --> 00:51:35,553 You must do something to change this reality. 825 00:51:35,595 --> 00:51:37,054 This can no longer happen. 826 00:51:37,096 --> 00:51:39,307 And this is where it stops. 71054

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