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What’s going on in Amish
communities is horrific.
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There is sexual violence,
domestic violence,
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child abuse, child sexual abuse.
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Incest rates are
just staggering.
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It’s just been generations and
generations and generations of abuse.
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Misty: This is not happening to one
just Amish child or one Amish woman.
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This is happening in Amish
communities across the United States.
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I remember not being safe in my
room from my own fucking brother.
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If I made it to my room before he
caught me and got the door locked,
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he would take the door
off by the hinges.
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I called the sheriff’s
department and reported it.
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Don Henry: We had
put a wire on Mary,
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and she talked to
Johnny about the abuse.
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And Johnny didn’t
deny it to her either.
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Tim Gaskell: Amish will come
in droves to the courtroom
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when they have somebody
involved in a court proceeding.
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Mary: They literally paraded
them up on the witness stand
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to testify as to what
a good Amish man he is,
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and people practically
cried on demand.
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It’s not that it’s awful
that he’s a rapist.
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It’s that it’s awful that I am
unforgiving and reported it.
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The judge, as he was sentencing,
I can remember him saying,
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"I see all you people here
in support of the defendant."
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That was a very small triumph.
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It was like, "Oh, my
God. This is unheard of.
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He’s going to actually
do the right thing."
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I thought he’d get 20 years.
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I hoped.
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Henry: I mean,
there’s not just
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the Mary Byler case out there.
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Woman: My child came
to me and she said,
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"Mommy, does a daddy put
his hands up your dress?"
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He told me it wasn’t a bad thing,
but that it was just a secret.
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And I can’t tell you what
it feels like as a mother
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to sit there beside your child
and listen to them tell you
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what was done to them
by their own father.
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I reached out to a friend,
and I said, "What do I do?"
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And she said, "Audrey,
you have to report it."
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These cases involving
Plain community defendants
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are a little bit
unusual in the sense
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that these defendants
never go to trial.
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They generally admit to what they
have done and accept the consequences.
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A plea agreement is where
the sentence is agreed to
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by the commonwealth and
the defendant in advance,
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but they don’t go to trial.
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Eli got eight years. He got probably a
little more because he had a prior record.
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David got four years.
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And Johnny was by far
the worst of them three
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between Johnny, Eli, and David.
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By far.
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The courtroom is
completely packed
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with Amish people,
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who made a mockery
out of that courtroom.
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They bussed in four
busloads of Amish people,
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and the thing that was
craziest about that
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is that not a single one of
them was there in court for me.
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I thought justice was
going to be served.
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Gaskell: The judge
sentenced Johnny
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to ten years of probation
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and one year in our county jail.
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We were dumbfounded.
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We were angry.
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We were literally in shock
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as to what had just happened,
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how somebody that
would go to the extent,
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who removed door hinges
to get inside a room
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to sexually assault
his own sister
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could be walking away without
a significant prison sentence.
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I was numb.
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I don’t even think
it really sank in.
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I could’ve been knocked off my chair
with a feather. I could not believe it.
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He should’ve been sent to
prison for a number of years.
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There’s no justification for
a year in the county jail
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for as many times as he sexually
assaulted Mary, in my opinion.
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He was also given
Huber privileges
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which means that he was able to
go out and work during the day,
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and then he’d come back to jail
and basically spend the night.
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Mary: How is it justice to
allow an Amish perpetrator
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to go to jail for one
year in county with Huber,
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and then allow him to
continue going to church
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where he has access
to more victims?
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How do you get perpetrator
saying in court to a judge,
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"I raped her close 75 times"?
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How do you get that and one year in
the county jail with a work release,
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and ten years supervision
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and a $16,000 restitution
fee to pay for therapy?
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I still don’t see
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how that’s actually
rehabilitating somebody
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or preventing somebody
from reoffending.
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We’ll be coming up to where
Mary Byler’s place was.
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That’s the big
house right there.
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Doesn’t look like
much a place anymore.
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Mary told me
yesterday on the phone
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that Eli is still here.
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That might be Eli right there.
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He’s gonna come and beat
us with his fishing pole.
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- What’s up?
- What are you doing?
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- Driving along.
- Take that camera and shove it
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- somewhere the sun don’t shine.
- Okay.
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I hate them stupid things, and
I don’t want my picture taken.
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- Okay.
- Point that stupid thing somewhere else.
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- Are you Eli?
- Yes, I am.
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I thought you were.
Have a good day, Eli.
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Jasper: There’s
a lot of evilness
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and a lot of terrible
things that happen
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behind the essence of what America
loves to see, which is beauty.
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When you go down the road and
it’s quilts and they have hotels,
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and people want to take buggy
rides and things like that,
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and I think it’s just because they
are stuck in that time period,
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that 1800s kind of time period,
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with the horse and the
buggy and no electricity.
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That fascinates people.
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See the gentle people.
See the kind Amish.
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They are just
pretty much angelic.
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You know, that’s the
message that’s given out,
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and people buy into it.
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Why are people so fascinated
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that they’re getting
on double-decker buses
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to drive by farms
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that are filled with abusers?
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Misty: This lie just
keeps perpetuating,
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and it’s a shame
because, you know,
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if people really knew
what the Amish were,
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there would be no Amish tours.
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We have Amish and
Mennonite everywhere.
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You look around, and kids are
playing and they look happy.
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And they don’t bother anybody.
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They have their cute little horse
and buggies that go down the road,
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and the kids are always
waving when you go by.
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That’s our view. That’s our perception
of people in the Plain community.
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As long as the facade is
able to be maintained,
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abusers will always
have an upper hand.
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Jasper: They even
sold this idea that
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somehow it is this
idealistic life
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that they want to live.
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Challenging that
is very difficult
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because there’s a lot
of money on the line.
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They silence victims,
they protect perpetrators,
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because it’s more important
to protect the branding.
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And when you have a religion
that also is a brand,
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people get it confused as
to what they really are.
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If you meet an Amish buggy
and you see a little girl
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sitting in there in
their Amish outfits,
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and they’re so innocent...
I can’t help it,
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I think, "Is that little
girl being abused?
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Is she going to be abused?"
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I look at them little boys,
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and are they gonna grow up
and abuse their sisters?
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And I worry about it.
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I mean, there’s not just the
Mary Byler case out there.
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I was born in
Lafayette, Indiana,
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on February 9th, 1978.
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My parents started
migrating through churches
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getting more and more and more
conservative until we ended up in one
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of the most conservative
Amish groups in the country.
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I wanted a beautiful home.
I wanted a peaceful home.
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I thought staying Amish
was the way to do that,
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and I threw everything into
it that I had. Everything.
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In communities that I was in,
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a woman wasn’t allowed
to just be single.
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You always have to be under
a male figure of some kind.
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Mike and I dated
for several months,
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and then we were married
in the summer of 2001.
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It was a really big deal
when Mike started dating me
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because his father was a minister
who later became a bishop.
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His family held a lot of
political clout in the community,
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and so it was a big deal.
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I mean, that’s what
everybody wants.
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You want to marry up.
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I had no sex education.
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I had zero knowledge of my body,
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of men, of relationships,
of sex, nothing.
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They shove a couple books
at you and say, "Read this,"
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the last week right
before you get married.
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"Read this, but
don’t talk about it."
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And you’re ready for marriage.
You’re ready for sex.
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You’re ready for raising kids.
You’re ready for all of it.
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I had no clue. No clue.
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I was pregnant within
the first month,
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and nine months
later we had a baby.
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By all standards, we had
a perfect Amish life,
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and our family started growing
and everything was idyllic.
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But slowly, something
started to feel off.
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I now have five children,
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and I’m extremely busy, I’m
homeschooling all of them.
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But at that point, I was
overwhelmed, I was tired.
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We were taught that it was a
woman’s job to please her husband
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and then the children came next.
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And if you do that, you’re
fulfilling your Biblical role
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and you should be happy.
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We were taught to take
a nap in the afternoon
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so that we were sexually ready for
our husbands when they got home.
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You know, he needed sex every
three days, because after 72 hours,
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a man’s gonna go looking somewhere else
if you don’t give him what he needs.
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The children were physically
abused by him from the beginning.
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We were taught that you start
disciplining by six months.
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The children were expected to sit through
a three hour service and make no noise.
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The oldest was always
her wild, crazy self.
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He would take her out of church
and beat her and beat her.
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I was brainwashed into believing that
it wasn’t abuse, it was discipline,
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and it’s what God
wanted him to do
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because that was his
place in the home.
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With time, I started to see
the effects on the children
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and especially my
two oldest girls.
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They started to struggle
with depression,
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and the day came when I
discovered that Marlena,
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my oldest one, was
cutting herself.
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And I’m like, "Why?
What’s wrong?"
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I automatically assumed it was
the physical abuse from her father
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and just the emotional trauma
of where our marriage was.
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I thought it was just his anger,
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and I told him
that over and over.
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"We need space and
we need to feel safe,
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and you need to go get help."
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The only way I knew to fix it at
that point was for him to leave.
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And so I filed for the divorce
to force him out of the house
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so that we could have
peace and safety.
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The church excommunicated
me for filing for divorce.
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It was so backwards,
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me filing for divorce
to protect us from him
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was a greater sin
than his abuse.
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Hinton: Plain community
people, Amish and Mennonite,
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they talk about mistakes,
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they talk about moral
misgivings, things like that,
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but for the person who
has been excommunicated
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and kicked out of the Amish
community permanently,
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"They’re defiant.
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They were wild.
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They were sinful."
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And their only sin is that they
couldn’t forgive their abuser
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or that they spoke
up about the abuse.
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Audrey: I was suddenly adrift.
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At this point, my oldest
one’s still cutting,
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and my second one, Dorthea,
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starts attempting suicide.
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She starts trying
to hang herself.
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A little bit before I was 12,
I got incredible depressed,
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and I went to a hospital
because I tried to kill myself,
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and I just knew that I had to
find a way to protect myself.
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And at some points if, you know,
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taking myself out of this world
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meant that it
wouldn’t happen to me,
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then that’s just
how it was gonna be.
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Audrey: I begged her to talk to
me, but she was so locked down.
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It was really hard for me because I was
like, "What are they not telling me?"
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I knew something
deeper was wrong,
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but I didn’t know what.
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I had no idea that my whole
world was about to change.
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My oldest daughter
Marlena came to me first.
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When I finally opened up to my
mom about what was happening,
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it was because I had heard her
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telling some of my
siblings around a campfire
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the usual thing that a mother
would tell their children.
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"If somebody ever touches
you in this place,
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that’s a no-no, and you
need to tell an adult."
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That was the moment that I
realized that it wasn’t normal.
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It was sexual assault.
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Audrey: She opened up and
asked me if it was normal
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for dads to touch
their daughter’s butts.
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And I remember sitting there frozen,
all of a sudden understanding
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that this picture was a whole
lot bigger than I even imagined.
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As she proceed to tell
me the different things
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that he had been doing to her
and places he was touching her,
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I wasn’t even sure if I had enough
information for it to be reportable.
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I reached out to a friend who had
a lot of experience in that area.
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I told her what my
daughter told me.
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I said, "What do I do?"
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And she said, "Audrey,
you have to report it."
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And I knew with his
powerful family,
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if I would report this and make
this kind of an accusation,
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it could set the wheels in
motion for a huge court battle
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and for me to
possibly lose my kids.
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All these things are
racing through their mind.
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"Is my child gonna be taken
away? I don’t know the system."
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What do they do know about it has told
to them by the leaders or the men,
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and so it’s not
correct information.
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It was terrifying for me to
get the authorities involved
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because my ex-husband
straight out told me
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that if I went to the law
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that he would get
custody of the children.
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And biggest fear was
losing my children,
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the very thing I
was fighting for.
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I filed for a restraining order
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the same day I made the report
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because I knew the first
thing he was gonna do
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was come after the kids.
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Ahh!
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I’m gonna cry...
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( laughing )
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- ( muffled chatter )
- What?
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It’s so good to see you.
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- But you’ll be okay, right?
- I always am.
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- One day.
- Within this group of survivors that I put together,
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we all come from
different communities,
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from different parts
of the country,
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from different levels of
Amish, strict to liberal,
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but shockingly, all of
our stories are the same.
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Gosh, I can’t
believe you’re here.
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Audrey: When you’ve walked
through this kind of hell,
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and you can connect with people
from the same cultural background,
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you form a deep bond even if you
don’t even know each other that well.
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Mine was 17 years ago.
Yours was, what, 16, 15?
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- 16.16 years.
- Yeah.
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I can’t begin to describe
how momentous it is
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to have multiple
survivors gather together
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and doing things together
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for the betterment of future
generations of Amish people.
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For me, it’s validating
and empowering,
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and it’s comforting
to my younger self
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to know that even though I didn’t
know each of you, I wasn’t alone.
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So to sit here and have this
conversation with a group of women
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who have all walked away, who found
their voice, who told their stories
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it’s validating,
it’s empowering,
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and it’s just comforting to that younger
part of me that was never believed.
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I’d be a millionaire
if I had a dollar
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for every single time somebody’s
looked at me and said,
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"But are you sure he would
really do something like that?"
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- Right, right.
- "I mean, isn’t this just a case of he said, she said?"
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Do you know how many
times I’ve heard that?
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Where did that come from,
"he said, she said"?
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Because so many of the cases, sexual
assault cases, that’s all you have.
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Parents have to believe
the child no matter what.
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I mean, there were times that even though I
just could hardly believe it was possible,
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I still always
believed my children.
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I’ve heard them tell countless
people, "Mom always believed me."
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And they’d be like, "How did
you have the courage to tell?"
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And they were like, "Mommy believed
me. She always believed me."
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I still sometimes can’t
really process it all.
329
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It still kind of feels like that was
another life, another person, another world.
330
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Mom, do you need
help with anything?
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I don’t think so. I think we’ve
almost got it, like, literally.
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- How’s you?
- Good.
333
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Audrey: She said, "I’ll
never forget the night
334
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I sat straight up
in bed and said,
335
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"What the fuck?
336
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I’ve been sexually
abused my whole life
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and I didn’t even know
that’s what it was."
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’Cause it started when she was
so small, it’s all she ever knew.
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Then I said, "How did
you not know to tell me?"
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And she said, "Mike would
tell me that if I told,
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he would do it to
the other children."
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And so she said,
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"In order to spare my
siblings, I didn’t tell."
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Right before they went
in for interviews,
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my other two
daughters came to me,
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and my second oldest,
Dorthea, said,
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"Mom, I know I’m gonna have to
tell them what Dad did to me,
348
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so I guess I might
as well tell you."
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There’s a lot of
challenges for interviewers
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in communicating with Amish
children when they do present.
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I personally can’t imagine
what they’re going through,
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the sadness in their heart to
know that someone they love,
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trusted, can do these
horrific things to them?
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When they become aware
that it is wrong,
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it’s devastating.
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Audrey: My youngest
daughter came to me.
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Angie remembers graphic details.
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Her story was one
of the most graphic.
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She said from the age
of about four or five
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until she was between seven
and nine, he raped her.
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And I think her
story cut me the most
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realizing that my ex-husband
was raping a five-year-old child
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and she’s bleeding and
begging him to stop.
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And he says, "Just wait a little
bit longer. It’ll all be over soon."
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And I can’t tell you what
it feels like as a mother
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to sit there beside your child
and listen to them tell you
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what was done to them
by their own father.
368
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Farrell: For those naysayers
the don’t believe kids
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or say it’s a he
said, she said case,
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when a child gives me
details or tells me
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it felt like a tree trunk
was going into their body,
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the detailed pattern print
of her dad’s boxer shorts,
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the smells around,
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those are the things
kids don’t just make up.
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Usually children tell me,
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you know, "I’ve
never told this much
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00:24:40,730 --> 00:24:44,567
because I don’t want anyone
to know about how it felt.
378
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I don’t want anyone to know
the shame and guilt I have."
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Audrey: The trooper
filed the charges.
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32 counts,
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19 felonies,
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9 first-degree.
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He was arrested a
day or two later,
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and the community supported
him from the get go.
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The community put the
bail money together.
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The community excommunicated me.
387
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The community has sheltered
him and harbored him
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and paid for his attorney.
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From the very get go,
they have coddled him
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and they left me
to fend for myself.
391
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How does it make you feel
392
00:25:47,672 --> 00:25:50,383
to see Audrey
fighting for her kids?
393
00:25:52,844 --> 00:25:54,011
It’s okay to cry.
394
00:25:56,472 --> 00:26:01,018
It’s almost unfathomable
to think that any parent
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inside of an Amish
home could ever,
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00:26:04,647 --> 00:26:08,025
ever even begin to
fight for their kids.
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00:26:10,611 --> 00:26:13,656
Misty: It’s just so
structured over the years
398
00:26:13,698 --> 00:26:16,075
that you just push it aside,
you make them be quiet,
399
00:26:16,117 --> 00:26:21,456
and forgive and move on, and
that’s just how it’s done.
400
00:26:21,497 --> 00:26:24,125
I can remember the first
time I called the police
401
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I was terrified out of my mind.
402
00:26:26,502 --> 00:26:28,463
I didn’t even know how to do it,
403
00:26:28,504 --> 00:26:30,923
and I was afraid there would
be some type of repercussions.
404
00:26:30,965 --> 00:26:34,802
I was terrified of what would
happen when Mike found out
405
00:26:34,844 --> 00:26:37,305
that I called the cops
406
00:26:37,346 --> 00:26:39,056
because there’s
always repercussions.
407
00:26:39,098 --> 00:26:40,516
You don’t do that.
408
00:26:52,528 --> 00:26:54,739
You’ve got neighbors
that spy on you, right?
409
00:26:54,781 --> 00:26:56,449
Yeah, that’s why I
built that fence.
410
00:26:56,491 --> 00:26:58,075
They would stand
in those windows
411
00:26:58,117 --> 00:26:59,660
and watch everything we did.
412
00:26:59,702 --> 00:27:01,847
They’d stand in there and
watch us swimming on Sundays.
413
00:27:01,871 --> 00:27:03,331
Meg: So they are on
Mike’s side or...
414
00:27:03,372 --> 00:27:04,558
- Oh, yeah.
- They’re just nosy?
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00:27:04,582 --> 00:27:07,710
Audrey: No, they’re
on Mike’s side.
416
00:27:09,712 --> 00:27:15,009
February of 2020 was when the
physical harassment started.
417
00:27:17,595 --> 00:27:20,306
That was when they first
broke into my home.
418
00:27:20,348 --> 00:27:22,725
They were looking
for dirt on me.
419
00:27:22,767 --> 00:27:24,977
In the Amish world,
it’s a social game
420
00:27:25,019 --> 00:27:27,522
of whoever can make the
other person look worse.
421
00:27:27,563 --> 00:27:32,109
So it became this cycle of
them breaking into my house.
422
00:27:32,151 --> 00:27:35,154
And they would stand down
there by my children’s beds
423
00:27:35,196 --> 00:27:36,864
in the dark in the doorways.
424
00:27:36,906 --> 00:27:38,950
Dorthea: I used to not be
able to sleep at night,
425
00:27:38,991 --> 00:27:42,870
and I would just lay there,
and it felt like any minute
426
00:27:42,912 --> 00:27:45,790
someone was gonna come
into my room with a gun.
427
00:27:45,832 --> 00:27:50,086
Or it felt like anytime was
home by myself, you know,
428
00:27:50,128 --> 00:27:53,214
I was gonna hear somebody
and they were gonna hurt me.
429
00:27:53,256 --> 00:27:57,343
It’s, like, every time I came home, it
felt like somebody was gonna be here.
430
00:27:57,385 --> 00:28:00,555
Audrey: There’s something that
it does to you psychologically
431
00:28:00,596 --> 00:28:04,058
when your last safe place
on the face of the Earth
432
00:28:04,100 --> 00:28:05,560
is no longer safe.
433
00:28:05,601 --> 00:28:07,895
That’s the kind of
stuff that they do
434
00:28:07,937 --> 00:28:10,648
to try to destroy the
people who speak up.
435
00:28:14,110 --> 00:28:17,572
Sometimes pressure is put on
victims by the Amish community
436
00:28:17,613 --> 00:28:19,574
to not cooperate
with law enforcement,
437
00:28:19,615 --> 00:28:22,743
or various things to
prevent them from engaging
438
00:28:22,785 --> 00:28:25,037
in the criminal justice
system like anyone else would.
439
00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:29,459
Woman: There’s a
lot of emphasis on,
440
00:28:29,500 --> 00:28:32,044
"We deal with
problems as a church.
441
00:28:32,086 --> 00:28:35,465
We do not go world, as
they term it, for help.
442
00:28:35,506 --> 00:28:39,427
There’s this very
strong expectation
443
00:28:39,469 --> 00:28:42,430
that even if there
is an abuse case,
444
00:28:42,472 --> 00:28:46,017
you just quietly suffer
for the sake of the Lord.
445
00:28:46,058 --> 00:28:51,898
In their desire to try to exonerate
the offender or minimize what he’s done
446
00:28:51,939 --> 00:28:55,776
and make it not be quite so
horrible and evil and terrible,
447
00:28:55,818 --> 00:28:58,196
they’re willing to assign
blame to the victim.
448
00:28:58,237 --> 00:29:01,783
Hinton: Every bit of
their theology is twisted.
449
00:29:01,824 --> 00:29:04,452
There’s this theology
that rape happens,
450
00:29:04,494 --> 00:29:07,789
abuse happens, people
fall into temptation,
451
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:10,708
and that’s okay because
God is a very giving God.
452
00:29:10,750 --> 00:29:12,794
Grace can wipe all of that out,
453
00:29:12,835 --> 00:29:15,963
and we’re all gonna be in
heaven singing together
454
00:29:16,005 --> 00:29:18,132
and, you know, praying together,
455
00:29:18,174 --> 00:29:20,968
except for those who
spoke out about abuse.
456
00:29:21,010 --> 00:29:24,639
Reinaker: They can be
subjected to a lot of pressure
457
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,517
and ostracization from
the rest of the community.
458
00:29:27,558 --> 00:29:29,268
They can be shunned
by the community.
459
00:29:29,310 --> 00:29:33,815
They can basically be removed
from the Amish community,
460
00:29:33,856 --> 00:29:36,234
and that’s the only
life they’ve known.
461
00:29:38,653 --> 00:29:41,489
At first they just started
following me to work,
462
00:29:41,531 --> 00:29:43,449
and parking and
watching me around town.
463
00:29:43,491 --> 00:29:46,119
And then they would drive back and
forth past the house real slow,
464
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,888
and of course terrify my
kids out of their minds.
465
00:29:47,912 --> 00:29:50,123
The cops were like, "We’ll
put up a trail camera
466
00:29:50,164 --> 00:29:52,291
and we’ll get license
plates." It wasn’t enough.
467
00:29:52,333 --> 00:29:54,210
They were watching
everything we did.
468
00:29:54,252 --> 00:29:57,880
They knew exactly when we came
and went for every single thing.
469
00:29:57,922 --> 00:29:59,841
I know they’re trying to
push me out of my home.
470
00:29:59,882 --> 00:30:02,677
They’re trying to force
me away. I won’t leave.
471
00:30:02,718 --> 00:30:06,013
It’s my home and I’m
not going anywhere.
472
00:30:06,055 --> 00:30:09,308
And it’s like the cops
told me multiple times,
473
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:12,520
"You do what you have to do and we’ll
clean up the mess when we get there."
474
00:30:12,562 --> 00:30:15,189
I’m armed all the time
and I don’t mess around.
475
00:30:15,231 --> 00:30:18,025
I was working, and I was
trying to take care of children
476
00:30:18,067 --> 00:30:20,027
- who were suicidal and who weren’t okay.
- Yeah.
477
00:30:20,069 --> 00:30:22,321
And so it was, like,
dealing with all
478
00:30:22,363 --> 00:30:25,867
the constant trauma of my
children and their needs,
479
00:30:25,908 --> 00:30:28,536
and then trying to deal with
all the trauma of not knowing
480
00:30:28,578 --> 00:30:30,872
- what’s gonna happen next or what they could do.
- Yeah.
481
00:30:30,913 --> 00:30:33,249
You and I both know
what they’re capable of.
482
00:30:33,291 --> 00:30:35,960
Yep. That we do.
483
00:30:52,226 --> 00:30:55,188
Audrey: "Dear Audrey, we write
this letter with heavy hearts
484
00:30:55,229 --> 00:30:59,066
and a longing to see
you return to God’s way.
485
00:30:59,108 --> 00:31:01,861
However, you continue to choose
a selfish and sinful path
486
00:31:01,903 --> 00:31:04,071
at the expense of your
children’s security,
487
00:31:04,113 --> 00:31:06,699
your husband’s heart,
and your own soul.
488
00:31:06,741 --> 00:31:08,201
We long for you to
find rest again.
489
00:31:08,242 --> 00:31:10,453
I know life has dealt
you some hard blows,
490
00:31:10,495 --> 00:31:13,206
but it’s only the beginning unless
you get rid of the bitterness.
491
00:31:13,247 --> 00:31:15,458
We don’t want that for
you and the children.
492
00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:18,836
We want peace and
rest for you all.
493
00:31:18,878 --> 00:31:22,089
With love and prayers, Leroy
Kauffman and Irving Kauffman."
494
00:31:33,935 --> 00:31:37,897
Since I left the DA’s
office in January of 2017,
495
00:31:37,939 --> 00:31:40,191
I’ve had a lot of
Amish cases since then.
496
00:31:40,233 --> 00:31:43,694
I would say a majority of the times
that I have a defendant who’s Amish,
497
00:31:43,736 --> 00:31:45,905
they typically
admit it right away.
498
00:31:45,947 --> 00:31:48,491
They say they’ve done it,
so it’s less of, you know,
499
00:31:48,533 --> 00:31:50,076
this whole thing of defending.
500
00:31:50,118 --> 00:31:52,703
It’s more of just trying
to mitigate their sentence.
501
00:32:02,672 --> 00:32:06,384
Now working with the defendant,
I have to, first of all,
502
00:32:06,425 --> 00:32:09,105
show them that they’re going to
lose, show them the evidence and say,
503
00:32:09,137 --> 00:32:11,472
"There’s no way that a jury’s
gonna find you not guilty
504
00:32:11,514 --> 00:32:12,765
based on what we have here,"
505
00:32:12,807 --> 00:32:14,767
then give them the
best advice I can
506
00:32:14,809 --> 00:32:16,602
as to what they should
do going forward.
507
00:32:16,644 --> 00:32:19,355
I have to keep
explaining to them,
508
00:32:19,397 --> 00:32:22,608
you know, what they did,
and why that’s a crime,
509
00:32:22,650 --> 00:32:24,443
and what they’re looking
at for punishment.
510
00:32:24,485 --> 00:32:26,422
And they feel as though they’ve
corrected it within their community.
511
00:32:26,446 --> 00:32:29,782
This person’s been remorseful,
has admitted to the sin,
512
00:32:29,824 --> 00:32:32,160
has done whatever their
bishop has told them to do,
513
00:32:32,201 --> 00:32:35,121
and for them that’s it.
514
00:32:35,163 --> 00:32:37,957
But then here we come
from outside telling them,
515
00:32:37,999 --> 00:32:39,542
"Oh, no, you’re going
to state prison,"
516
00:32:39,584 --> 00:32:40,918
and they don’t like that at all.
517
00:32:43,337 --> 00:32:45,631
They never wanna have
the victim testify.
518
00:32:45,673 --> 00:32:48,968
The victims sometimes are very
inarticulate either because they’re young
519
00:32:49,010 --> 00:32:50,988
or because they’re just not
experienced in this area.
520
00:32:51,012 --> 00:32:52,322
So they don’t even
know how to describe
521
00:32:52,346 --> 00:32:53,598
certain parts of their body.
522
00:32:53,639 --> 00:32:56,851
And when they talk
to the police,
523
00:32:56,893 --> 00:32:59,770
they’re descriptions sometimes
are really, really difficult
524
00:32:59,812 --> 00:33:01,314
to understand what
may have happened.
525
00:33:01,355 --> 00:33:04,192
And the person I represent
will say, you know,
526
00:33:04,233 --> 00:33:08,321
"I did molest this person,
but I didn’t do these things,"
527
00:33:08,362 --> 00:33:10,823
And that’s usually the worst
of it, is figuring out,
528
00:33:10,865 --> 00:33:12,825
"Well, he said he did
this but not quite this,
529
00:33:12,867 --> 00:33:14,285
and can we drop these charges?"
530
00:33:14,327 --> 00:33:17,205
That’s usually it.
531
00:33:17,246 --> 00:33:19,457
You have this Amish defendant
who has all this support
532
00:33:19,499 --> 00:33:22,668
from the community
and the family.
533
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:24,670
I think that the English
person may come out of it
534
00:33:24,712 --> 00:33:27,924
with a worse sentence
than the Amish.
535
00:33:48,611 --> 00:33:51,197
Audrey: Today I’m meeting with
the DA and the prosecution team
536
00:33:51,239 --> 00:33:54,867
to discuss plea
bargain versus trial,
537
00:33:54,909 --> 00:33:58,162
what types of safety
measures can be put in place,
538
00:33:58,204 --> 00:34:03,376
whether they incarcerate him
upon agreeing to a guilty plea
539
00:34:03,417 --> 00:34:06,379
rather than waiting for a
separate date to turn himself in.
540
00:34:06,420 --> 00:34:09,715
We’re hoping for a
million dollar cash bond.
541
00:34:09,757 --> 00:34:11,968
We really don’t want
him walking the streets.
542
00:34:35,950 --> 00:34:38,077
I’m not really sure that
they changed a whole lot
543
00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:40,288
because I went into the
meeting pretty open ended.
544
00:34:45,168 --> 00:34:47,920
I would say with
everything considered
545
00:34:47,962 --> 00:34:51,090
and all the different
topics we discussed today,
546
00:34:51,132 --> 00:34:54,594
a plea is going
to be a guarantee.
547
00:34:54,635 --> 00:34:55,635
A trial might not be.
548
00:35:02,393 --> 00:35:05,396
The first question the older
ones are probably gonna have is,
549
00:35:05,438 --> 00:35:08,774
"Well, so give me numbers.
Like, how long are we talking?"
550
00:35:08,816 --> 00:35:10,568
And they’re gonna
be disappointed.
551
00:35:14,238 --> 00:35:15,281
So...
552
00:35:16,783 --> 00:35:18,201
As I learned today,
553
00:35:18,242 --> 00:35:21,120
Cumberland County is one of
the most lenient counties
554
00:35:21,162 --> 00:35:23,539
for offenders in Pennsylvania.
555
00:35:26,501 --> 00:35:29,295
But his defense attorney says,
556
00:35:29,337 --> 00:35:32,965
"We recognize he’s gonna have to
plead guilty to some felonies.
557
00:35:33,007 --> 00:35:36,135
We’re willing to
accept Megan’s Law
558
00:35:36,177 --> 00:35:37,845
and sexually violent predator.
559
00:35:37,887 --> 00:35:40,807
My client is thinking
560
00:35:40,848 --> 00:35:43,893
two years in county work release
561
00:35:43,935 --> 00:35:47,814
because he has a lot
of family members
562
00:35:47,855 --> 00:35:50,024
that depend on him
for financial support.
563
00:35:50,066 --> 00:35:52,151
And if they don’t
have that support,
564
00:35:52,193 --> 00:35:53,945
they’re just not gonna
be able to make it."
565
00:35:53,986 --> 00:35:56,823
So he wants two years
and then work release
566
00:35:56,864 --> 00:35:58,491
and only sexually
violent predator?
567
00:35:58,533 --> 00:36:00,159
He’s a fucking pedophile!
568
00:36:00,201 --> 00:36:03,287
He wants two years
on work release.
569
00:36:03,329 --> 00:36:06,499
- Wait, meaning what?
- No incarceration.
570
00:36:06,541 --> 00:36:08,459
- No!
- Yes, exactly.
571
00:36:08,501 --> 00:36:11,462
- No! What the fuck?
- No, he’s not gonna get that,
572
00:36:11,504 --> 00:36:14,048
but that’s the bargain
they came with.
573
00:36:14,090 --> 00:36:18,261
Most times they won’t
even accept Megan’s Law
574
00:36:18,302 --> 00:36:20,489
- or a sexually violent predator.
- What’s Megan’s Law?
575
00:36:20,513 --> 00:36:23,474
Okay, so Megan’s Law means
he’s going to have to sign up
576
00:36:23,516 --> 00:36:26,853
for the rest of his life,
register everywhere he lives.
577
00:36:26,894 --> 00:36:28,521
- As a sex offender.
- As a sex offender.
578
00:36:28,563 --> 00:36:31,357
He’s not a fucking sex
offender. He’s a pedophile!
579
00:36:31,399 --> 00:36:34,026
- I understand that.
- He’s a child predator.
580
00:36:34,068 --> 00:36:36,154
He’s not just a sexual offender.
581
00:36:37,738 --> 00:36:40,032
- I know.
- What the fuck?
582
00:36:40,074 --> 00:36:42,869
Does the rape of a
six-year-old not mean anything?
583
00:36:42,910 --> 00:36:44,203
This isn’t fair.
584
00:36:44,245 --> 00:36:46,706
It’s not fair. It’s not.
585
00:36:46,747 --> 00:36:49,417
And he just gets off
with all of this?
586
00:36:49,459 --> 00:36:52,170
It’s not going to be
fair. I understand.
587
00:36:52,211 --> 00:36:54,547
So, we can insist on
taking this to trial,
588
00:36:54,589 --> 00:36:58,384
but you must understand this
is what trial could look like.
589
00:36:58,426 --> 00:37:01,888
But if they’re willing
to do a plea bargain,
590
00:37:01,929 --> 00:37:03,609
then we should exhaust
those options first.
591
00:37:03,639 --> 00:37:07,935
Maybe we can get
ten years servable
592
00:37:07,977 --> 00:37:10,229
and ten years probation.
593
00:37:11,606 --> 00:37:13,858
At this point,
594
00:37:13,900 --> 00:37:17,403
it’s probably gonna be about
the best we’re gonna get.
595
00:37:17,445 --> 00:37:20,072
So it’s a lose-lose. It
really doesn’t matter.
596
00:37:20,114 --> 00:37:21,754
We’re not gonna get
anything that we want.
597
00:37:24,118 --> 00:37:28,206
We’re not going to get the
level that we wanted, no.
598
00:37:34,670 --> 00:37:36,380
I’m sorry.
599
00:37:46,641 --> 00:37:48,684
When I see the big picture,
600
00:37:48,726 --> 00:37:51,270
I see that an Amish man
601
00:37:51,312 --> 00:37:53,731
can rape a child and
have a reduced sentence.
602
00:37:53,773 --> 00:37:56,025
You can get longer for burglary,
603
00:37:56,067 --> 00:38:00,404
for possession of a
small amount of whatever,
604
00:38:00,446 --> 00:38:04,242
than you do for raping
a child for 15 years.
605
00:38:04,283 --> 00:38:05,952
Audrey: Just take for example,
606
00:38:05,993 --> 00:38:10,289
Mike’s charges carry a minimum
of five and a maximum of ten.
607
00:38:10,331 --> 00:38:11,975
- How is that even possible?
- How is that possible?
608
00:38:11,999 --> 00:38:13,626
And he’s raped
three of his kids.
609
00:38:13,668 --> 00:38:15,336
That’s fucked up.
610
00:38:15,378 --> 00:38:18,673
Misty: Torturing a
child for so many years
611
00:38:18,714 --> 00:38:21,300
and that’s okay to let them
out after five or ten years?
612
00:38:21,342 --> 00:38:25,096
Does our justice system really
believe that is justice?
613
00:38:50,204 --> 00:38:53,624
The day of the
plea hearing was...
614
00:38:55,209 --> 00:38:58,296
hard for all of us
in different ways.
615
00:38:58,337 --> 00:39:02,633
The prior agreement was
that he would plead guilty.
616
00:39:04,427 --> 00:39:07,805
And like I told
the DA beforehand,
617
00:39:07,847 --> 00:39:10,183
I said, "They always have
an ace up their sleeve."
618
00:39:10,224 --> 00:39:13,102
So I said, "We’ll wait
to see what this one is."
619
00:39:13,144 --> 00:39:16,314
He had two rape charges,
rape and forcible rape.
620
00:39:16,355 --> 00:39:18,691
They wanted us to
drop the rape charge
621
00:39:18,733 --> 00:39:22,528
because without that word,
622
00:39:22,570 --> 00:39:24,530
he can spin the narrative
to his community,
623
00:39:24,572 --> 00:39:27,450
"Well, you know, he
didn’t rape them."
624
00:39:27,492 --> 00:39:32,413
But to us, the word wasn’t
as important as closure.
625
00:39:34,248 --> 00:39:37,543
Taking it to trial would’ve
probably gotten him
626
00:39:37,585 --> 00:39:39,003
a heavier sentence.
627
00:39:39,045 --> 00:39:41,756
It could’ve dragged on
for another whole year.
628
00:39:41,798 --> 00:39:44,717
And that was... it was time to
wrap it up for the kids’ sake.
629
00:39:44,759 --> 00:39:48,387
And so we agreed to it
with the understanding
630
00:39:48,429 --> 00:39:52,725
with the DA that she would
specifically spell out
631
00:39:52,767 --> 00:39:55,561
during the hearing
632
00:39:55,603 --> 00:39:59,649
the specific acts that
he did on each child.
633
00:39:59,690 --> 00:40:04,237
She spelled out in
detail how he raped them.
634
00:40:04,278 --> 00:40:06,155
The judge asked
him if he did it,
635
00:40:06,197 --> 00:40:08,324
and he said yes.
636
00:40:08,366 --> 00:40:13,204
And she asked him if he believes
that the court could prove him guilty
637
00:40:13,246 --> 00:40:15,915
beyond all reasonable
doubt, and he said yes.
638
00:40:15,957 --> 00:40:18,918
And she asked him how he pleads,
639
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,795
and he said, "No contest."
640
00:40:26,592 --> 00:40:30,930
He admitted that he
knows you can prove it,
641
00:40:30,972 --> 00:40:34,183
but he won’t admit it.
642
00:40:34,225 --> 00:40:37,687
The agreement was he
would plead guilty.
643
00:40:37,728 --> 00:40:39,772
If I would’ve known he
wasn’t gonna plead guilty,
644
00:40:39,814 --> 00:40:42,316
I probably wouldn’t have agreed
to dropping the rape charge.
645
00:40:52,827 --> 00:40:56,330
- Misty: The sentencing is finally almost here and...
- Audrey: Almost.
646
00:40:56,372 --> 00:41:00,710
We’re just here to support you and
let you know that you’re not alone.
647
00:41:00,751 --> 00:41:04,213
It’s, you know, the last leg
of the journey hopefully.
648
00:41:04,255 --> 00:41:08,301
We’re kind of here to hold up your
arms when their getting tired, right?
649
00:41:13,306 --> 00:41:15,433
Just realizing that
people care enough
650
00:41:15,475 --> 00:41:19,770
to sit there and listen
and then respond is huge.
651
00:41:19,812 --> 00:41:21,481
We want to do that for you.
652
00:41:21,522 --> 00:41:25,359
And hopefully it will
not be a repeat situation
653
00:41:25,401 --> 00:41:27,820
of what happened in
my court sentencing.
654
00:41:27,862 --> 00:41:32,408
I hope they send him away
for a long, long time,
655
00:41:32,450 --> 00:41:35,119
so that your children can
feel safe in their own beds,
656
00:41:35,161 --> 00:41:37,205
so you can feel safe
in your own home.
657
00:41:37,246 --> 00:41:42,001
I deserve to be able
to go to sleep at night
658
00:41:42,043 --> 00:41:46,547
and not have to be afraid of
who’s gonna break into my home.
659
00:41:46,589 --> 00:41:50,301
I shouldn’t have to carry a gun with
me ready to shoot at any moment.
660
00:41:50,343 --> 00:41:52,011
I shouldn’t have to
do that all the time.
661
00:41:52,053 --> 00:41:54,180
It’s time for that to end.
662
00:42:00,686 --> 00:42:03,648
My darkest moment
was when I realized
663
00:42:03,689 --> 00:42:06,859
that the man that I
married was a monster.
664
00:42:08,361 --> 00:42:10,321
All of the dreams that I had
665
00:42:10,363 --> 00:42:12,824
for a normal healthy
family have been shattered.
666
00:42:12,865 --> 00:42:17,495
Even though we will come out
of this stronger in some ways,
667
00:42:17,537 --> 00:42:20,331
we will never know
what normal is.
668
00:42:20,373 --> 00:42:22,500
We’re gonna park in
the parking garage.
669
00:42:22,542 --> 00:42:26,212
The rape crisis advocate is gonna
meet us outside the courthouse.
670
00:42:36,556 --> 00:42:39,517
As a mother, realizing
that I didn’t know
671
00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:41,811
that the person that
was supposed to be
672
00:42:41,853 --> 00:42:46,691
the safest and the closest
to my children and to me
673
00:42:46,732 --> 00:42:51,696
was committing such evil crimes
against them is life-altering.
674
00:42:51,737 --> 00:42:54,532
Is there a way to be ready for
a day like this? I don’t know.
675
00:42:54,574 --> 00:42:57,285
- No, not really.
- I don’t think there is.
676
00:43:02,415 --> 00:43:04,375
I don’t know if this
road really ever ends,
677
00:43:04,417 --> 00:43:09,380
but at least safety
should begin after today,
678
00:43:09,422 --> 00:43:12,758
a small measure
of justice maybe.
679
00:43:15,636 --> 00:43:16,929
Yes.
680
00:43:18,890 --> 00:43:19,932
Yeah.
681
00:43:35,490 --> 00:43:39,577
First of all, Judge
Peck, I, Audrey Kauffman,
682
00:43:39,619 --> 00:43:42,705
the mother of the victims and
the ex-wife of the perpetrator,
683
00:43:42,747 --> 00:43:44,999
want to thank you for the
opportunity to be heard
684
00:43:45,041 --> 00:43:47,585
and to tell my truth.
685
00:43:47,627 --> 00:43:50,254
How does a father use the power
686
00:43:50,296 --> 00:43:53,049
he inherently possesses
for love and protection
687
00:43:53,090 --> 00:43:55,426
to rape and abuse, dehumanize,
688
00:43:55,468 --> 00:43:57,094
intimidate his own blood?
689
00:43:57,136 --> 00:43:59,597
And how do I describe a culture
690
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:03,768
where sexual abuse
is completely normal?
691
00:44:03,810 --> 00:44:05,603
A culture that not
only hides abuse,
692
00:44:05,645 --> 00:44:08,773
but rallies to protect
the evil perpetrators.
693
00:44:08,815 --> 00:44:12,777
A culture that people support,
romanticize, and enable
694
00:44:12,819 --> 00:44:14,403
because they don’t
want to believe
695
00:44:14,445 --> 00:44:16,114
it is anything
more than harmless,
696
00:44:16,155 --> 00:44:18,449
peaceful people,
strong work ethic,
697
00:44:18,491 --> 00:44:20,284
and delicious baked goods.
698
00:44:20,326 --> 00:44:23,246
Each of my children
are Michael’s victims,
699
00:44:23,287 --> 00:44:24,914
each one in a different way.
700
00:44:24,956 --> 00:44:26,308
They will spend the
rest of their lives
701
00:44:26,332 --> 00:44:28,126
fighting demons and battles
702
00:44:28,167 --> 00:44:30,002
that no one should ever have to,
703
00:44:30,044 --> 00:44:31,629
much less a child.
704
00:44:31,671 --> 00:44:34,966
Michael Kauffman chose
to violate his children
705
00:44:35,007 --> 00:44:36,676
in the worst of possible ways.
706
00:44:36,717 --> 00:44:39,762
He chose to rape and
assault and destroy
707
00:44:39,804 --> 00:44:42,807
the very beings
he helped create.
708
00:44:42,849 --> 00:44:46,269
He is no father.
He is a monster.
709
00:44:46,310 --> 00:44:51,023
He stood in the pulpit publically leading
devotions and congregational prayer
710
00:44:51,065 --> 00:44:54,986
and then raped and assaulted his
children behind closed doors.
711
00:44:55,027 --> 00:44:58,948
No matter what legal
consequences he receives today,
712
00:44:58,990 --> 00:45:02,076
nothing in this life will ever
bring back what he stole from us.
713
00:45:04,245 --> 00:45:07,832
But this sentence will keep him
from violating more children,
714
00:45:07,874 --> 00:45:10,168
it will give his victims,
including myself,
715
00:45:10,209 --> 00:45:12,336
space to heal without fear.
716
00:45:12,378 --> 00:45:14,547
This sentence will
show the children
717
00:45:14,589 --> 00:45:16,525
that there are people and
authorities in this world
718
00:45:16,549 --> 00:45:18,968
that believe them and
want to keep them safe,
719
00:45:19,010 --> 00:45:21,012
that there is some
level of justice
720
00:45:21,053 --> 00:45:22,722
not just on judgment day.
721
00:45:22,763 --> 00:45:25,683
Honorable Judge
Peck, at this moment,
722
00:45:25,725 --> 00:45:28,686
you hold in your hands the
opportunity to protect my children
723
00:45:28,728 --> 00:45:30,521
and show them how
much a child is worth.
724
00:45:50,374 --> 00:45:51,375
Are you coming?
725
00:45:51,417 --> 00:45:53,878
( indistinct chatter )
726
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,379
Are you taking Sunny?
727
00:45:55,421 --> 00:45:57,507
You’re good.
728
00:45:58,841 --> 00:46:00,676
I love you, baby.
729
00:46:05,765 --> 00:46:08,559
It went well, as
far as well can go.
730
00:46:08,601 --> 00:46:11,896
I was impressed the judge called
him out and called him what he was.
731
00:46:11,938 --> 00:46:14,982
He’s the epitome of a
pedophile and a sex offender.
732
00:46:18,444 --> 00:46:19,797
They sentenced him
to what we expected,
733
00:46:19,821 --> 00:46:23,199
5 to 20 years, mandatory
10 years probation,
734
00:46:23,241 --> 00:46:26,577
and he will be listed as a
sexually violent predator.
735
00:46:26,619 --> 00:46:28,412
It looks like about ten years
736
00:46:28,454 --> 00:46:30,456
before he’s eligible
for any release.
737
00:46:38,214 --> 00:46:40,758
Obviously I’d like to see
him in there for life,
738
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,885
but that’s not
reasonable at this point.
739
00:46:45,972 --> 00:46:49,058
I don’t look at him anymore
as a father or a husband.
740
00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:50,977
I look at him as a
pedophile and a criminal.
741
00:46:51,018 --> 00:46:54,063
- Just let me give you a hug.
- Okay.
742
00:47:04,323 --> 00:47:08,161
( sobbing )
743
00:47:16,919 --> 00:47:18,296
I guess through
the whole process
744
00:47:18,337 --> 00:47:19,839
my biggest concern
was our safety
745
00:47:19,881 --> 00:47:22,925
because the family
harassment we’ve had.
746
00:47:22,967 --> 00:47:24,510
- I love you so much.
- Love you, too.
747
00:47:24,552 --> 00:47:26,220
Thank you so much for coming.
748
00:47:28,181 --> 00:47:29,182
I know.
749
00:47:33,686 --> 00:47:36,606
Well, it’s here. We
did it. It’s over.
750
00:47:38,024 --> 00:47:39,275
But there was a lot...
751
00:47:39,317 --> 00:47:40,943
It took a lot to
get to this point.
752
00:47:40,985 --> 00:47:43,112
I guess I just want to
take this opportunity
753
00:47:43,154 --> 00:47:46,157
to thank each and every
single person in this room
754
00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:47,658
for everything you’ve done.
755
00:47:47,700 --> 00:47:49,035
There’s just so much.
756
00:47:49,076 --> 00:47:51,662
There’s so much, I could
never process it all.
757
00:47:53,206 --> 00:47:55,833
It’s going to be day
by day for a while,
758
00:47:55,875 --> 00:47:57,835
but the process of healing,
759
00:47:57,877 --> 00:48:00,004
we’ve come so far
just in the last year
760
00:48:00,046 --> 00:48:03,508
that another year is going
to bring another whole level.
761
00:48:03,549 --> 00:48:06,844
So, you know, will
I stay in the area?
762
00:48:06,886 --> 00:48:09,347
I don’t know. Probably
not permanently.
763
00:48:09,388 --> 00:48:10,932
I’m here right now.
764
00:48:10,973 --> 00:48:14,143
And their goal was to run
me out from the beginning.
765
00:48:14,185 --> 00:48:18,856
That’s what they do.
And I refuse to run.
766
00:48:18,898 --> 00:48:23,236
It’s my home, so guess
they got to put up with me.
767
00:48:28,908 --> 00:48:30,993
This is why I say
there’s no justice.
768
00:48:31,035 --> 00:48:34,205
Justice is a myth.
There is no justice.
769
00:48:34,247 --> 00:48:35,540
But you know what, Mary?
770
00:48:35,581 --> 00:48:37,875
It feels like there’s no justice
771
00:48:37,917 --> 00:48:40,878
and it can feel like
there’s no hope.
772
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:45,508
But if I think about how alone
you were at your court hearing
773
00:48:45,550 --> 00:48:48,511
or how alone Audrey
has been in her journey
774
00:48:48,553 --> 00:48:50,847
or how alone Misty has been
775
00:48:50,888 --> 00:48:54,851
or how alone that my mom
was and I was in our story,
776
00:48:54,892 --> 00:48:58,563
the four of us are
now sitting together
777
00:48:58,604 --> 00:49:00,064
and our stories are being heard.
778
00:49:00,106 --> 00:49:03,734
And your story
won’t be for naught.
779
00:49:03,776 --> 00:49:06,737
It’ll give somebody else
courage to come forward,
780
00:49:06,779 --> 00:49:10,908
and I could imagine
a flood happening.
781
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:14,245
We’re like the crack in the dam.
782
00:49:14,287 --> 00:49:17,081
But when that flood comes,
783
00:49:17,123 --> 00:49:19,709
justice has to follow.
784
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:21,919
We will never get
justice in this life
785
00:49:21,961 --> 00:49:24,630
for the crimes that have
been committed against us.
786
00:49:24,672 --> 00:49:27,758
But I hope that our story
787
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,386
will bring light and
hope to other survivors.
788
00:49:30,428 --> 00:49:33,014
Even if they never have the
strength to come forward,
789
00:49:33,055 --> 00:49:36,434
they need... they deserve
to know they’re not alone.
790
00:49:36,476 --> 00:49:38,936
A group put together... we
have the Civil Rights movement,
791
00:49:38,978 --> 00:49:41,189
we have the Women’s
Rights movement.
792
00:49:41,230 --> 00:49:43,941
I mean those movements,
they created change.
793
00:49:43,983 --> 00:49:48,112
So if people come on board and
say, yes, we’re going to stand up
794
00:49:48,154 --> 00:49:49,614
and we’re going
to say no to this,
795
00:49:49,655 --> 00:49:51,783
we’re going to change
this scenario...
796
00:49:51,824 --> 00:49:53,761
I mean, if enough people
come together and do that,
797
00:49:53,785 --> 00:49:55,286
we can change it.
798
00:50:11,344 --> 00:50:16,641
The Amish and Mennonite
children are America’s children,
799
00:50:16,682 --> 00:50:17,993
and they are the
forgotten children.
800
00:50:18,017 --> 00:50:20,311
They are the invisible children.
801
00:50:20,353 --> 00:50:25,316
We need America to help
us to create a change.
802
00:50:25,358 --> 00:50:27,902
We need the outside world.
803
00:50:27,944 --> 00:50:29,987
What is happening within
the Amish communities
804
00:50:30,029 --> 00:50:32,156
cannot be ignored any longer,
805
00:50:32,198 --> 00:50:36,828
and it is our nation’s duty
to protect these children
806
00:50:36,869 --> 00:50:38,579
and to start paying attention.
807
00:50:38,621 --> 00:50:41,124
I think there might
be some tiny shift
808
00:50:41,165 --> 00:50:44,752
and some tiny change that is
positive that is happening.
809
00:50:44,794 --> 00:50:48,506
Because law enforcement,
in some cases,
810
00:50:48,548 --> 00:50:50,341
are making arrests
811
00:50:50,383 --> 00:50:53,761
and district attorneys
are pressing charges
812
00:50:53,803 --> 00:50:57,348
against people who knew
and failed to report.
813
00:50:59,350 --> 00:51:01,352
I think change within
the Plain community
814
00:51:01,394 --> 00:51:05,231
has to come from people who are
already inside of the Plain community,
815
00:51:05,273 --> 00:51:08,317
and they have to have the
courage to stand up to evil.
816
00:51:08,359 --> 00:51:11,404
They have to stop going along
with this broken system.
817
00:51:11,446 --> 00:51:15,450
This system is so
powerful. It’s so corrupt.
818
00:51:15,491 --> 00:51:18,536
It’s so twisted. It’s so evil.
819
00:51:18,578 --> 00:51:21,038
It’s so private.
820
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,207
Somebody from within
that community
821
00:51:23,249 --> 00:51:25,418
has to stand up to evil
and say enough is enough.
822
00:51:27,962 --> 00:51:30,798
Misty: This has to change.
We are not going to be quiet.
823
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,884
We’re not going to
be brushed aside.
824
00:51:32,925 --> 00:51:35,553
You must do something
to change this reality.
825
00:51:35,595 --> 00:51:37,054
This can no longer happen.
826
00:51:37,096 --> 00:51:39,307
And this is where it stops.
71054
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