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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,655 Good evening. We are here to talk about the great and wonderful 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,015 John Motson and his fabulous career. 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,535 John's lasted over 50 years in a really tough, 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:14,055 changing football world. 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:19,695 It sounds silly. He never set out to become this household name. 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,855 A national institution. A one-off. 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,415 Motty and football just go together, don't they? 8 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,495 Why has he lasted that length? 9 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,175 And Beckham saw Sullivan off his line! 10 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:33,695 Oh! That is absolutely phenomenal! 11 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,335 It was his voice. Such a distinctive voice. 12 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,095 You try and stop him talking! That's half of it. 13 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:44,015 Owen! Oh, this is getting better and better and better! 14 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,015 He's one of the father figures of the game now. 15 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,895 His record is absolutely brilliant. 16 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,655 Radford again. 17 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,135 Oh, what a goal! What a goal! 18 00:00:53,160 --> 00:00:54,895 You see the footage of old goals and that, 19 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,135 and they go hand in hand with his commentary. 20 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,615 Tigana! Platini! 21 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:01,015 Goal! 22 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,215 "Platini! Goal!" 23 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,335 I know you're a legend here in Match Of The Day. 24 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,055 We've all grown up with him 25 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,015 and the caricatures and the sheepskin coat... 26 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,935 I'm not at all sure about this. HE CHUCKLES 27 00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:19,375 ...the kind of nerdy nature of Motty, but, you know, lovable, as well, 28 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,335 and a brilliant commentator. 29 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,095 He's done it! Sergio Aguero! 30 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,175 You put a microphone in his hand and he relaxes, 31 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,015 he just feels at one with it. 32 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,575 In the end, I am going to just have to describe him as my dad. 33 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,015 And away we go. 34 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,455 KEN BRUCE: Our Tracks Of Our Years all this week being chosen by BBC 35 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:54,175 football commentator extraordinaire John Motson. Ten World Cups, 36 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,655 ten European championships and 29 FA Cup finals, 37 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,415 and he's hanging up his microphone and his sheepskin coat this week, 38 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,055 ending 50 fabulous years at the BBC. 39 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,895 Is there a glass of water in there? We will grab you one. Thank you. 40 00:02:08,920 --> 00:02:13,175 Thank you. John! Ken! How are you? How are you, sir? Great to see you. 41 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,175 Thank you very much for having me on your show. A pleasure! 42 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,775 Thank you very much. You all right? Yeah, good. Yeah, I'm all right. 43 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,455 You actually began your broadcasting career here at Radio 2. 44 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,215 I did, in 1968. 45 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,455 I came through the front doors of the old Broadcasting House 46 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,135 as a young journalist, wet behind the ears, 47 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,135 straight from the Sheffield Morning Telegraph, 48 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,935 and they took me to the sports room, and they first of all thought 49 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,815 I might become a producer, and then they thought, 50 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,495 "Let's try him as a voice." 51 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,295 This penalty. Coombs is coming off his line. He's told to go back. 52 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,415 He's delaying it. Eventually, Lewis does come in. 53 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,375 And he's got it! It's there! 54 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,055 And then they said, "We're going to try you out as a commentator." 55 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,975 HARRY CARPENTER: That's John Motson, who was reporting for us tonight, 56 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,855 of course, on the South end-Liverpool match, 57 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,775 looking there rather like an orphan in the storm. 58 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,215 When I went from radio to television, 59 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,495 that was an eye-opener, because in radio, of course, 60 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,455 nobody can see the picture, you're describing which way they're 61 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,375 kicking, you're giving the score every two minutes, 62 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,735 all of which people can see on the television screen. 63 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,695 So when I suddenly went to Match Of The Day and they kicked off, 64 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,895 I remember this sinking feeling in my stomach, thinking, 65 00:03:21,920 --> 00:03:25,375 "Well, what do I say now? It's on the screen!" 66 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:32,015 Oh, what a goal by Mullery! 67 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,135 And it took me, well, certainly the best part of two years, 68 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,895 if not longer, to realise that a lot of the stuff I'd been 69 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,775 talking about as a radio commentator was no longer relevant 70 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,975 and now I had to add to the picture by interpreting certain 71 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:48,775 things that were going on. 72 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,935 I didn't sit down and devise a style, 73 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,895 I just picked up the microphone. 74 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,935 And it sounds a tiny bit arrogant 75 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,135 to say it came naturally, but a lot of it did. 76 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,335 Now here's Wright, his first chance to show what he can do. 77 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,215 And he's through. It's Wright! 78 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,015 Oh, what an impact by the substitute! 79 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:13,175 I think when you listen to john Motson, you hear different things. 80 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,895 You hear a good editorial journalist at work, 81 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,455 you hear a genuine preparer. 82 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,055 But more than anything, you hear a football lover, 83 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:24,775 you hear an enthusiast. 84 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,655 ...and he also scored in the semifinal, too. 85 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,855 Here's the corner. It's running loose. Astle's there! 86 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:30,415 Oh, he's got it! It's a goal! 87 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,775 I introduced my wife to him, and she said to me afterwards, 88 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,575 "He's a nice guy, isn't he?" I said, "Yeah." 89 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,695 She said, "Do you know the most compelling thing about him 90 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,215 "is his voice? You're never going to forget that voice." 91 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:45,535 Villa. 92 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,815 And still Ricky Villa! 93 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:51,335 What a fantastic run! 94 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:56,975 He's scored! Amazing goal by Ricky Villa! 95 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,055 In an ever-changing world, when he's on Match Of The Day there's 96 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,695 something strangely reassuring about it. 97 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,015 Ancl it's that voice, isn't it? 98 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,655 When the game starts and you hear that voice, 99 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,935 you feel you're in safe hands. 100 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,455 Here's Gascoigne. 101 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:11,695 Oh, brilliant. 102 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,015 Oh, yes! Oh, yes! 103 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:19,415 People have grown up hearing John's voice. It's so distinctive. 104 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,735 So even if we're having a quiet meal somewhere, 105 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,015 if someone hears his voice, then they will come over. 106 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:30,375 And here comes the pot of paint. And this is extraordinary. 107 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,095 We're going to see the penalty spot painted, are we, during the match? 108 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,895 John has that quality of being just there for you, 109 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,495 like he's in the front room, sitting on the sofa with you, 110 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,295 talking about the game on the television. 111 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:44,895 Ancl it's official now, isn't it, 112 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,615 that you are the best voice in commentating? 113 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,535 Well... I've seen this formula. It's been all over the papers 114 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,815 the last few clays. Ancl we've got a copy of it. 115 00:05:52,840 --> 00:05:56,495 There was a research clone where he had one of the most perfect 116 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,535 voices for television. 117 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,535 Speech therapists from the Queen Elizabeth Hospital have come 118 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,375 up with this formula, which apparently proves that john Motson 119 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,175 has the best commentary voice. 120 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,735 A national newspaper, I think more than one, 121 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:14,935 came out with a survey analysing who had got the best voice. 122 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,335 I can't put it any better than that. 123 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,095 And it just turned out it was me! 124 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,615 The 93rd minute at Old Trafford. 125 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,655 Ha! When David Beckham scored the free kick later that day 126 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,695 and Brooking, for the first time in his life, probably, 127 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,655 completely lost it and went running down the gantry, 128 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:37,055 and I was knocking bottles of water over and goodness knows what 129 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,015 else, that was the thing I remember most about that day. 130 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,255 Beckham... 131 00:06:42,280 --> 00:06:44,975 Yes! Yes! He's done it! 132 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,495 David Beckham! Fantastic! It's 2-2! 133 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:54,455 And England may still be going to the World Cup automatically. 134 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:58,175 It's a fantastic ending to a very, very poor performance, 135 00:06:58,200 --> 00:06:59,975 and he deserves the goal, 136 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,615 because Beckham has virtually played Greece on his own. 137 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,815 I made my debut on Radio 2 in December 1969 with 138 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:10,335 a game between Everton and Derby County. 139 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:14,295 But Derby County actually resonates with me, because, believe it or not, 140 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,815 my father was a Derby fan and my son is a Derby fan 141 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,455 and season-ticket holder. Oh, right! 142 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,895 This is our Telegraph Fantasy Football league team. 143 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,535 We've not had a particularly great record in recent years after 144 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,975 winning it a few years ago, but as things stand, we are 145 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,095 top with four games left to play. 146 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,535 So we're taking it very seriously indeed! 147 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,335 I'm glad you mentioned we won it once, 148 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,295 because of course that was back in 2009. Yes. 149 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,135 It seems a long time ago now! Yeah. 150 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,735 The family legend is that when I learnt to speak, 151 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,655 the first question Dad ever asked me was, "Who do you support?" 152 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,935 And apparently, he was so pleased I didn't sort of say 153 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,175 a big club like Man United or Arsenal or anything, 154 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,255 he was very pleased that I picked Derby. 155 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,975 Ancl I was at my first game about three weeks later! 156 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:05,895 Yeah, we've had some fun, though, haven't we? 157 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,215 Probably the most common question I'm asked when people 158 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,735 find out who my clad is - "Oh, go on, who does he REALLY support?" 159 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,615 "He's a Tottenham fan." "He's a Liverpool fan." Whatever it is. 160 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:18,415 And, no, I can categorically say here that Dad's interest 161 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,495 is very much down at the League Two level. 162 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,375 I don't think he's got any real favourites 163 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,495 when it comes to the top clubs. 164 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,095 No, it was difficult. Obviously, Barnet, of course, 165 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,855 was the place where I started my reporting career, and so I've 166 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,855 always followed Barnet Football Club through thick and thin, really, 167 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,895 ground change and everything. Hence the shirt! 168 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,015 My dad and I went probably to Chelsea more than any other 169 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:44,295 ground, but any affection I had for any individual club really 170 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,175 went out the window when I started with Match Of The Day. 171 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,255 I've known John Motson 62 years. Incredible, isn't it? 172 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,415 We first met as 11-year-olds. 173 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,695 It was at a school called Culford School, and we were football mad. 174 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,935 It was a Methodist-based school, and Motty's father, 175 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,215 the Reverend William Motson, was in the Docklands, 176 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,695 and all those ministers got free places for their boys. 177 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,335 For a value of 52 guineas a year, apparently, yes. 178 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,775 He came from a Methodist minister's family. 179 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,415 Moth] was very upset, 180 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,335 because we didn't play football at Culford School. 181 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,375 You had to play rugby, which Motty hated. 182 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,975 Ancl his clad used to go and see the headmaster, Dr Storey, 183 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,695 every term to protest about, "We must play football 184 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,175 "at Culford School. My boy wants to play football." 185 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,095 John seems to have had a great time at Culford. 186 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,735 The only complaint we've got on file is his father writing to 187 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:46,095 say that he was a great soccer enthusiast. "He loathes rugger." 188 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,295 It was in John's second term, and I think it had taken John that 189 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,615 long to work out that Culford was a rugby school, 190 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,535 not a football school, and he wasn't pleased. 191 00:09:55,560 --> 00:09:57,775 There were two ways in which we used to relax at school. 192 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,415 One was a transistor radio, when we listened to the football, 193 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,335 and the other was one of the lads had a record player, 194 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,575 or you'd call it a gramophone, almost, now! 195 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,175 Pop music has always played a part in my life. 196 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,855 I'm not so good on stuff after the seventies. 197 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,015 After the Who, I kind of sort of drifted away from it a bit, 198 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:15,615 certainly from record buying. 199 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,215 DON McLEAN: # A long, long time ago 200 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:24,935 # I can still remember how that music used to make me smile... # 201 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,255 On February the 5th 1972, American Pie, 202 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,935 it was top of the charts on the day Hereford beat Newcastle. 203 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,975 That was the game that changed my life and changed my career. 204 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,375 # And maybe they'd be happy for a while... # 205 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,455 Well, on this important day in Hereford's history, 206 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,375 they're sitting on walls, 207 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:49,055 on floodlight pylons and even in trees to get a view of this match. 208 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,055 I've known John longer than most of my family! 209 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:59,095 We met purely by coincidence, and it was at a time when I constantly 210 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,935 liked to remind him that I was marginally more famous than him. 211 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,815 And Ricky George, who scored a hat-trick against Newport 212 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,815 for Barnet in the cup last season, is on the field as number 12. 213 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,335 The guy who drove me down to Hereford was a fella called 214 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,655 Billy Meadows. He was their centre forward. 215 00:11:15,680 --> 00:11:18,295 And he and Ricky George, who's a big friend of mine, 216 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:19,935 they took me down to Hereford. 217 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,655 And of course, Ronnie Radford's goal changed everything, didn't it? 218 00:11:23,680 --> 00:11:25,335 Hello, mate. You all right? 219 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,975 For the 2.5-hour journey to Hereford, 220 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,495 he asked me about every single player in the squad. 221 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,375 I was able to give him a pen picture of everybody. 222 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:40,015 Billy Meadows, the Hereford centre forward, cost exactly £300. 223 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:44,215 And Malcolm MacDonald, the Newcastle centre forward, cost £180,000. 224 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:49,775 So we spent the entire journey talking about the team, 225 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:54,415 and I thought, "He's cute - I know why he picked me up now!" 226 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,535 This is George, the substitute. 227 00:11:56,560 --> 00:11:58,175 Oh, turning well. 228 00:11:58,200 --> 00:11:59,415 Mallender. 229 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:02,135 Meadows heading it on. 230 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,175 Tremendous spirit in this Hereford side. 231 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,415 They're not giving this up, by any means. 232 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,375 Radfo rd. 233 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,975 Now Tudor's gone down for Newcastle. 234 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,495 Radford again. 235 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,135 Oh, what a goal! What a goal! 236 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,455 Radford the scorer! Ronnie Radford! 237 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:20,975 We stayed in the same hotel, 238 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,855 and he introduced me to the great Jackie Milburn. 239 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:30,175 And Jackie Milburn said to me, "You should be in your bed. It's gone 11. 240 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,175 "You've got a big game tomorrow." 241 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,135 Ancl I said, "Well, I'm only sub." 242 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,895 Ancl he went, "'Only sub'?! 243 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,495 "You might come on and score the winning goal." 244 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,055 George. 245 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,415 Oh, it's there! He's got it! Ricky George! 246 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:53,655 Ricky George has done it. What a moment for Hereford! 247 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:02,495 Our friendship from that moment became as close as it would ever be. 248 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,895 # Did you write the book of love? 249 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,575 # And do you have faith in God above?... # 250 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,775 Billy Meadows drove us home, because they both lived near me in Barnet. 251 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,135 And we sat in Billy Meadows' front room and had fish and chips 252 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,255 and listened to American Pie all evening... 253 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:18,815 ...well, what was left of the evening, 254 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,535 until Match Of The Day came on, when, wonder of wonders, I thought, 255 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:25,135 there was my match, which was supposed to be a three-minute 256 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,375 edit at the end of the program me, propelled to the top of the show! 257 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,135 # He was singing... # 258 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:31,735 It's all over! They've done it! 259 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,655 # ..Miss American Pie Drove my Chevy to the levee 260 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:36,735 # But the levee was dry... # 261 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,775 But so important for him, so important, 262 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,255 because it lifted his career off. 263 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:47,815 And I suppose I immodestly might say I didn't look back after that, 264 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,455 because the BBC decided that I was capable 265 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,015 of being given more important matches. 266 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,695 Ancl so it happened, from then on and for many, many years beyond. 267 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:02,295 # Singing This'll be the day that I die. # 268 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,735 Well, what happens in here is memories, really. 269 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,095 Ricky and Ronnie together after the game. 270 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,535 And that was the young commentator of the day. 271 00:14:09,560 --> 00:14:13,855 Late at night, I might be there having a last late whisky. 272 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,455 There's a picture of me commentating with Muhammad Ali 273 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:21,255 when I was back in radio in 1974 at the Albert Hall. 274 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,575 ALI: if I can knock out the great George Foreman and 275 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,535 Sonny Liston, I won't have no Joe Bugner saying he went the distance. 276 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,535 He must fall! Now I'm going to watch his show. I'm getting hot. 277 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:36,295 I was a reporter, I was doing bulletins every day, I was going 278 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:40,655 to football matches on a Saturday, I was doing boxing a little bit. 279 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,255 BELL RINGS 280 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,455 The bell sounds for the start of Round 1. 281 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,215 Your commentator, John Motson. 282 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,375 And the atmosphere in the Royal Albert Hall tonight 283 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,335 so much better, I think, than many of us feared it might be... 284 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,975 He did a great summary of what had happened 285 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,175 and how he thought Bugner was far, far too good for this guy. 286 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,295 And there's the bell, Muhammad Ali, for the end of the first round. 287 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,895 Well, in the next round it'll be all over. 288 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,695 Lovell just barely made his corner. 289 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,335 He looks like a man about 50 years old, his legs look big 290 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,255 and muscly but his knees are wobbling. 291 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,575 And when they rang the bell for the second round, 292 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,175 he handed the microphone back, because there was only one 293 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,735 between us, and then, within the first ten seconds of the second 294 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:25,815 round, joe Bugner demolished Lovell, and he was on the canvas. 295 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,375 I said, "Oh, drama here at the Albert Hall, the crowd, da-di-da... 296 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,415 "And here's Muhammad Ali's thoughts on that finish." 297 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,055 And I looked, and he'd gone. 298 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,775 COMMENTARY: Bugner's trying to come over the ropes to him. 299 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,015 He wants Ali in the ring. 300 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,575 And Muhammad's going to go. Muhammad's taking his jacket off. 301 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,895 He's got his shirt off! Muhammad's got his shirt off. 302 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,695 Muhammad Ali had taken his jacket off, jumped off the chair, 303 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,695 ducked under the ropes, and now he was doing this with Bugner, 304 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,855 saying, "Come on, why don't you fight me?" 305 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,855 And Roland Dakin has stepped in and has liftedjoe Bugner's hand 306 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:02,335 and he's declaredjoe the winner in this side-state contest. 307 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,535 Have a word with him, Muhammad. 308 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,615 You get ready. 309 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,935 I want you to know that you have earned your shot tonight. 310 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,135 You beat a hard puncher, and now go to America... 311 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,215 I'd just managed to get him to sign my book before this happened. 312 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,175 Cos I never saw him again. 313 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,935 He disappeared under a welter of people, Ali. 314 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,455 And there I was, sitting next to him, and I can actually 315 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,495 say for just three minutes of my life 316 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,655 I commentated with Muhammad Ali. 317 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,415 And back now to Alan Parry. 318 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,015 And john Motson climbs into the ring to have a closer word with 319 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,495 Joe Bugner. If Muhammad Ali can still hear me, 320 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,815 because we're absolutely surrounded by people... 321 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,255 Have you got another job today, Steve? Yeah, I've got a few, yeah. 322 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,375 Media City and whatever. Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 323 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,375 I'm taking Garth Crooks back later. Are you? 324 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,935 I take it you know Garth Crooks. Yeah, very well. 325 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,775 Yeah, you can give him my regards, as well! 326 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,855 He and I are pals, actually. Yeah, I've known him for a long time. 327 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,375 We used to travel together quite a lot. 328 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,135 I've been part of the broadcasting Three Stooges - 329 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,335 Ray Stubbs, Mark Lawrenson and Garth Crooks. 330 00:17:06,360 --> 00:17:08,415 I come right at the very end. 331 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,575 They're trying to get me to every Premier League ground this 332 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,375 season - as a farewell tour, the BBC called it. 333 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,535 I ought to tell you something, that sometimes 334 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,775 when I was working with him, I felt like his carer, 335 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:22,935 but in an absolutely totally nice way, 336 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,695 because you had to tell him what time you were going, where we 337 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,895 were going, how we were going, were we getting a taxi, 338 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,575 what flight we were on, carry his suitcase. 339 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,695 Lawro would carry his bag, I'd carry the newspaper. 340 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:39,015 Ancl I carried Motty's glass for his red wine. 341 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,295 As long as Motty had those three things, he was fine. 342 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:46,295 People say, "Do you get nervous before you go to do a commentary?" 343 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,015 And I don't get nervous about the commentary at all now, 344 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,335 but the thing that screws me up on a Saturday morning is 345 00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:54,975 "Will I get to the ground on time?"... 346 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,695 ...even though I'm always there three hours before. 347 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,655 Ancl it's fair to say that Motty does like routine. 348 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,335 I suppose I've had the same routine for more or less all 349 00:18:04,360 --> 00:18:07,375 the 47 seasons or whatever it is on Match Of The Day. 350 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,495 I mean, I've always got to the ground by 12 o'clock. 351 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,295 This is how daft it is, right? Two grown-ups, me and Ray Stubbs, 352 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,775 been in the business quite a long time, we had a real problem about 353 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:18,935 how do we approach the situation, 354 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,495 which is we're taking him on the train to the match. 355 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,255 And he was like, "Whoa, that doesn't work, that doesn't work." 356 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,215 Anyway, myself and Stubbsy had done this journey to the stadium 357 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,255 a few times to see a few different games, 358 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,455 and there was a cafe in this park that we walked across. 359 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,735 And we said, "We've even found you a place where you can have a 360 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,535 "cheese and ham to as tie," because that's what he absolutely loved. 361 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,015 And he looked at us and he went, "Really?" And we went, "Yeah." 362 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,455 And he went, "That'll do." He ended up loving it! 363 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,575 Afterwards, he was saying, "Let's get the train the next time. 364 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,095 "Let's get the train the next time." 365 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:55,055 What I really learnt over the years was how professional he was. 366 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,415 Like today, I'm going to Manchester City, 367 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:02,975 where Sergio Aguero is one goal away from the record, 368 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,775 held by a famous pre-war player called Eric Brook. 369 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,495 So there's moments like that that you've got to capture 370 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,295 and you've got to be ready for. 371 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,935 I remember his first cup final, 1977, 372 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,935 Manchester United against Liverpool at Wembley. 373 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:21,455 Manchester United have won the FA Cup. 374 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,095 Ancl the captain of Manchester United is Martin Buchan, 375 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:29,335 and as Buchan goes up the steps at Wembley to get the cup, 376 00:19:29,360 --> 00:19:31,295 Motty says, "How appropriate..." 377 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,215 ...that a man called Buchan should be the first to climb 378 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,335 the 39 steps that lead from the pitch here at Wembley 379 00:19:37,360 --> 00:19:40,015 to the Royal Box. 380 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,575 Well, of course, this was a reference to john Buchan, 381 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,975 who many years ago wrote the very famous novel 39 Steps, 382 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,975 which has twice been a movie. 383 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,175 Ancl I rang him up the next clay. I said, "Motty, fantastic homework, 384 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,735 "but come on, mate, what an anorak. Brilliant. Well clone." 385 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:03,295 Hiya. You OK? just got john Motson for the BBC. Yeah, that's fine. 386 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,535 Oh, that was very cool, wasn't it? Nice lady there. 387 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,015 You still got it, john! JOHN LAUGHS 388 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,055 Well, she was very polite, wasn't she? 389 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,335 He's moved with the times in football. Obviously, 390 00:20:14,360 --> 00:20:18,535 things were very, very different when he started, what, 40, 50 years 391 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,975 ago, and the nature of the game and the nature of commentating 392 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,855 and the nature of the way we watch the game, everything has evolved. 393 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,135 Where Motty's been smart, he's evolved with it. 394 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,175 The main thing, of course, with Motty, you know 395 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,735 full well he does his homework, he does his research. 396 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,535 He's almost... 397 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,015 He's kind of... 398 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,375 ...an encyclopaedia of football. 399 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,935 Ancl his wife, Annie, does a lot of stuff for him. 400 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,215 Those there. Those are the cup replays. 401 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:54,215 We see ourselves as a team. He's done a job which at times can be 402 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:58,775 very exacting, and so if I can do something to help that, 403 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,375 I'm very willing. 404 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,735 Well, of course Anne's black book has been... 405 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,295 It used to be a red book, years ago. 406 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,455 She changed the colour, for some reason. 407 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,735 It's a lab our of love, this. And it's always useful to keep them, 408 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:15,255 because sometimes something will happen in a match that 409 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,375 reminds me of a game four or five years ago, 410 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,775 and I might just look up Anne's book for 1997 or whatever 411 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,975 and find that there's something there that will give me the answer. 412 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,975 At the beginning of each season, I buy one of these books, and then 413 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,695 I stick cuttings in that might be useful, 414 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:40,735 statistics from the previous season, and then each team has its own page. 415 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:45,135 So when it comes to john starting his homework for a match, 416 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:50,575 I give him the book and the list of the scorers for those teams, 417 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:55,415 and then I give everything to john and he starts his match preparation. 418 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,775 Basically, it's a simple situation. All the stuff that I've gathered 419 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,055 during the week - one side of the board is every player, 420 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,495 and they're done in felt-tip pen to make them stand out a bit, 421 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,095 and next to each player I do a... 422 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:09,455 I wouldn't say it's a potted biography, 423 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,495 it's probably one line or just something about them which is 424 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:13,855 currently interesting 425 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,855 that if they do something in the game I could use. 426 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,695 And then on the back, Anne always lists the goal-scorers 427 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,655 for each club out of her black book. So that's always handy - I can tell 428 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,695 whether it's somebody's first goal of the season or not. 429 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:32,415 Simon. Hello, Simon! Have you got the City team? I do. Good lad. 430 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,015 I'm going to read them out to you. 431 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,415 All right, all right, all right, steady down, steady down. 432 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,855 Right, City. Go on. 31, Ederson. Yes. 2, Kyle Walker. Yes. 433 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:46,495 It is my reassurance that I've got something somewhere if somebody 434 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,495 suddenly becomes important in the moments leading up to the kick-off. 435 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,295 I've known players get injured in the warm-up, and they've gone 436 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,735 off with the referee's permission and been replaced by somebody else, 437 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,055 hopefully somebody else who's on your board somewhere. 438 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:04,655 10, Aguero. Good. I'm pleased about that. 17, De Bruyne. Yeah. 439 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:10,095 33, Jesus. 20 I've got Mangala. Ancl... Mangala, what's his number? 440 00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:11,695 Hold on. 441 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:14,495 29, Pope. 442 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:21,095 But one day - it was the final of the Euros, and it was France-Italy - 443 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:25,015 I'm sat next to him, Garth Crooks was just sat the other side of him. 444 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,415 Oh, do I remember this! 445 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,015 Now, there's one man in this stadium making his 12th appearance 446 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,375 in a major final. 447 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,935 Not a player or indeed a coach, but our very own John Motson. 448 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,495 John, 12 finals, even more tournaments. 449 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,495 Does this rank up there with the best of them? I think it does, Gary. 450 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,215 I've just been checking my team sheet, by the way, very carefully, 451 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,895 to make sure Zidane is playing after what happened two years ago. 452 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,055 I just made a mistake at half-time as I leaned over. 453 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,415 I knocked a whole bottle of water over his sheet. 454 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,095 Well, I get this nudge from Lawro, and I go... 455 00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:57,055 Oh, I'm looking over here. He goes... 456 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,855 I just watched as he just... I don't know what colour it ended up. 457 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,775 All the colours washed in together. 458 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,495 I'm looking, I'm looking at this... 459 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,335 You can't see anything! You can't see a word! 460 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:14,695 I could hear Crooksy sniggering and looking away. 461 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,975 And Mottyjust kind of looked at it, 462 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,495 and you'd have thought I'd cut his arm off. 463 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,135 Ancl Motty picks up his notes, looks at him... 464 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,655 And I just went, "john, you know all that stuff anyway." 465 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,895 And he was a man for a sigh. He used to go... 466 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,455 HE SIGHS EXPANSIVELY 467 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,495 And the game went to Golden Goal, 468 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,215 and I'll tell you now, that was one of his best commentaries ever. 469 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,895 Pires got it for France. 470 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,695 And it's Pires. Trezeguet is waiting in the centre. 471 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,215 Trezeguet! 472 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,775 France have won the European Championship 473 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,295 to add to the World Cup! 474 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,095 The first nation ever to do it that way round. 475 00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:55,495 He'd clone his prep. It had been clone. 476 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:59,615 That was like a comfort blanket. No notes. It was all in here. 477 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:07,935 I first met john at the World Cup finals, I believe it was in Spain. 478 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,095 Now, I can't remember too much, because, as is my won't, I tend 479 00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:14,855 to get a little drunk when watching football, especially Scotland. 480 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,615 But I know this is hackneyed, 481 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,295 but genuinely a wonderful working-class fella. You know? 482 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,095 I've got no time for show-business people that 483 00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:27,215 hide their backgrounds or try and be something that they're not. 484 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,455 For me, he was right down the middle. 485 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,495 I used to have a team called the Vagabonds that played in Essex, 486 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,135 and I was a player in those clays. 487 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,895 Ancl he brought his team down, called the TV journalists or 488 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,215 TV Reporters, something like that. 489 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,455 John was full-back and I was right midfield, 490 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,335 so he and I were coming against each other all the time. 491 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:50,135 Ancl at one point, he said, "Would you stop running?!"... 492 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,575 ...because he wasn't as fit as I am! 493 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:57,055 I remember he had a funny old pair of shin pads. They didn't match. 494 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,735 Did I get a tea or a coffee? It's waiting for you. Wonderful. 495 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,695 Let's go and do that bloke's picture who shouted at me as we came... 496 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,455 And then let's go in the main entrance. Yeah. No worries at all. 497 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,215 He gives the impression of being slightly odd sometimes, 498 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,655 but we've all got different mannerisms. 499 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,775 Ancl he's a caring bloke, and he's interesting. 500 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,175 Right, sir. Are you ready? 501 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,295 Legend. Thank you. 502 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,735 He appealed across the board. 503 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:31,615 My mum used to love him. Absolutely adored him. She's passed on now. 504 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,655 He's revered, you see? Everywhere he goes, they love him. 505 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,055 It's like, "Here comes Mr Football," in this country. 506 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,575 "Here's the voice of football." 507 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,095 John. Yes, all right. On that side, please. OK. 508 00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:44,375 City were playing Aston Villa years and years ago, 509 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,975 and Martin O'Neill was the manager, and we went to see him. 510 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:54,535 Ancl in walks john Motson, and I was like, "No way! I can't believe it!" 511 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,935 Because ever since I've been watching football, 512 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,295 I've been listening to him, and it was, like, such a, "Wow!" 513 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,375 It kind of blew me away. He had a sheepskin coat on, 514 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:09,375 and he was carrying a program me and some notes. Course he was! 515 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,215 I told me mates, "I've just met john Motson." 516 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,215 They were more interested in that than anything. 517 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,695 They were like, "What's he like?" 518 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,135 I said, "He's just like he is on the telly." 519 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,215 There you are, mate. Thank you very much. Pleasure. 520 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,695 Fans banter with him... 521 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,135 You keep my pass for a minute, yeah. 522 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,655 ...with his sheepskin. "All right!" Ancl he used to wave. 523 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,095 Ancl sometimes the gantry was round the other side of the pitch, 524 00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:33,455 so he had to walk round half the pitch. 525 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,215 "All right, Motty!" He'd go, "Yeah, OK!" And he's waving away. 526 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,255 He gets his little head down and he's shuffling along. 527 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:44,335 Thank you. Thank you. How are you, boys? Bless you. I love the coat! 528 00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:45,855 Thank you! 529 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:52,655 It's hard when people say, "What's it like being John Motson's son?" 530 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,815 I say, "Well, I've not been anybody else's son, 531 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:59,455 "so it's hard to know what it would be like not to be." Good line. 532 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,975 It is legendary that Dad was in the boardroom at Watford 533 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,055 while I was coming into the world. 534 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,735 Whenever he's appeared at Watford - and he's appeared many times - 535 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,495 he's always been a breath of fresh air, 536 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,695 and of course I love to talk football with him. 537 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,095 Unsurprisingly, I was at a football match in Watford 538 00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:19,175 when Anne decided she had to be rushed to the hospital. 539 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,095 And I got a phone call in the early hours 540 00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:25,095 to say that Fred had been born. 541 00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:28,455 John had parked the car for a quick getaway, but he got snowed in. 542 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,495 So, having missed visiting hours, Graham Taylor took him to the 543 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,975 boardroom, and I was there, and Graham persisted in ringing 544 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,015 the hospital until he got an answer about Annie. 545 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,375 The first person who rang the hospital was Graham Taylor, 546 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,935 which was very, very nice. 547 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,655 Ancl Graham Taylor and Elton john were the first people to find out, 548 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,415 because that's who Dad was stuck in the boardroom with! 549 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,655 Even though he was only a few hours old, 550 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,655 football had already started to take a hold. 551 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,855 Well, I do think he's got bad weather as a bit of an excuse there. 552 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,095 Motty loves his job. You can tell that. He's loved it for so long. 553 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,135 You couldn't survive in this industry without having 554 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,015 a real passion for your job and for football, 555 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,735 and he's clearly got that and he's always had that. 556 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,855 I thought I'd look nice in that shirt and tie, 557 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,615 and now I'm going to cover it all up. 558 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,655 You look fine! Well, it's going to 559 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,255 be sheepskin weather now, definitely. 560 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,215 It's a bit like... I don't know, like a famous actor who's absolutely 561 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:34,175 brilliant on stage but can be a bit umfy, just trying to get them... 562 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,295 Motty was like that. 563 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,375 We can get to the tunnel down here, Adrian! You can't go down that way. 564 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,615 JOHN SIGHS Go this way. 565 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,295 He'd pace up and down, he'd talk to himself. 566 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:47,775 Jesus! 567 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,295 Yes, he's quirky. 568 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,975 Yes, he can huff and puff and have a kind of bit of a meltdown. 569 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,495 I've heard a couple in talk back over the years. 570 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,135 We'll start a single of Motty on seven. Can Andrew hear me? 571 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,815 Yes, john, I can hear you, yeah. I'm just suggesting that really 572 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,495 we ought to let Mike Summerbee hear what precedes this. 573 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,135 What are the chances of giving Mike an earpiece? Why can't we have 574 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,655 a pair of headphones for the interviewee?! 575 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,375 We're working on it, mate. 576 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,855 I remember one game. I think it was in the Germany World Cup somewhere. 577 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,815 We were in Hanover, and I went upstairs, 578 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,815 got to the commentary position, and the stand opposite was really 579 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,535 low but the sun was still quite high, and it was a broiling sun. 580 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,375 The game was about to start and we were about to hand, 581 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,815 and I could hear him flustering in the background. 582 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,895 Ancl the sun was just above the far stand. 583 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,335 Ancl our studio was actually on the same side, 584 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,735 so I sort of saw what he meant. He couldn't really see. 585 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,615 Ancl I remember him shouting to someone, 586 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,975 because I nearly corpsed on air. 587 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,215 He didn't even look up from his notes, 588 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,855 he just held his hand up and pointed at the position of the sun 589 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,735 and he went, "Do something about that!" 590 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,055 I remember him shouting to someone, going, 591 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,415 "Somebody do something about the sun!" 592 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,735 And me and Karen Graham, who was looking after him - 593 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,935 Karen was always with him, she was great for him - 594 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,015 she looked at me and I looked at her, 595 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,815 and I just went, "What do you want us to do about it? Lower it? 596 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,775 "Get rid of it? Whatever." And he just never even flinched. 597 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,775 Never even... "Do something about that." Brilliant. 598 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,455 You know what I'm like, I worry about everything. 599 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,375 But I can understand with John, 600 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,895 if you're a commentator, you walk on and you go on air 601 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,215 and you make a terrible blunder about someone's on the ball 602 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,415 and it's not that person, I can understand why he would get nervous. 603 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,975 But what I did say to him, I said, "Listen, mate, this is what you do! 604 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,895 "Relax!" Ancl he did, he took it in. 605 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:47,255 John's qualities as a television broadcaster stem a great deal 606 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:52,095 from his meticulous thoroughness towards everything that he does. 607 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,575 You're respected by everybody at this football club, and let's 608 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,295 make this clay a very special clay for you, because you're John Motson 609 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,895 and you're a very special person. Well, that's very kind of you. 610 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,255 The only thing that could make it really special would be 611 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,655 if Aguero played and broke that scoring record. 612 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,815 "You fail to prepare and you prepare to fail" 613 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,415 is a motto that he has carried forward. 614 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,815 Careful! Good job I did have hold of you there! 615 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,775 THEY LAUGH 616 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,215 He will spend hours and hours dredging up the most unlikely 617 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,935 statistics, and some of them will go in that opening that he 618 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,815 so carefully crafts. 619 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,375 Can I just write my introduction first? Thanks. Thanks very much. 620 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,615 But the more important work that he does in 621 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,735 preparation for a game is using his contacts, 622 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,815 using the trust and respect that people who earn their living 623 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,655 from managing football teams and playing football have for him, 624 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,215 and they are prepared to take him into their confidence. 625 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,055 Hello, John, how are you? 626 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:49,215 Manchester City-Ipswich semifinal, extra time, free kick. Indeed! Hey? 627 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,735 You've got a better memory than me! I remember that goal so well. 628 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,335 Power! 629 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,615 Oh, I say, what a goal! 630 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:05,335 The skipper, who has scored in every cup match bar one! 631 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,175 But up here he's got a picture of how the game is going to be 632 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,215 played, because he has spoken to both camps. 633 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,015 And so you've got somebody with an overview of the game which is 634 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,215 far better than anybody else who is actually... 635 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,975 Either manager, they haven't got the same overview that he's got. 636 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,895 Let me just tell you something here. 637 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:27,655 Aguero has scored 176 goals in 261 appearances... 638 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,495 John was very well respected. Ancl because people knew that 639 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,775 when he came to speak to you, he was doing his research... 640 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,815 He'd get to the game and he'd meet the players. 641 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,575 He made it his business to know everybody and talk to everybody. 642 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,015 His research would include you or even the fact that he's 643 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,335 kind of giving you an insight into the opposition. 644 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,015 He starts you thinking about the game maybe in a different way. 645 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,455 Dave Beasant was looking forward to this moment so much, 646 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,175 I know from speaking to him during the week, the big goalkeeper, 647 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,895 the first keeper, we think, to captain an FA Cup final side. 648 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:06,455 So we went through a few scenarios, and then he said, you know... 649 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,935 ..."What will you do if john Aldridge gets a penalty?" 650 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,655 Ancl he said, "Because he hasn't missed a penalty this 651 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,575 "season and there's never, ever been a penalty saved in a cup final." 652 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,055 There is Aldridge. Beardsley. 653 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,055 Well, he might score here. 654 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,735 Penalty. 655 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,415 Goodyear on Aldridge. Wimbledon protest. 656 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,255 I just went through the process. 657 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,415 "If I stand still, I think he'll put it to my left, because 658 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,295 "by the time he does a stutter, the goalkeeper tends to start moving. 659 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,575 "He sees him going and just puts the ball the other side." 660 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,495 Ancl he said, "Well, thanks, Dave," as he always does. 661 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,815 "Thanks, Dave, I appreciate that." 662 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,495 Dave Beasant in the week told me 663 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,495 that he's been watching where Aldridge puts his kicks. 664 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:54,015 Beasant thought the kick might go to his left, or the right as we look. 665 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,295 But the fact that he was prepared 666 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,095 and he was focused on that eventuality, there could be a cup 667 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:05,215 final penalty, it could be the first one to be saved, it could be you... 668 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:09,895 He did, and he's saved it! 669 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,215 And made history! 670 00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:14,415 He's clone all right there, Motty. He's clone very well, 671 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,695 because he literally pre-empted everything that was going to happen. 672 00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:22,415 Ancl listening to it, I can still recall, "And Dave told me in the 673 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,335 "week that if there was a penalty, that he felt that john Aldridge..." 674 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,815 Ancl literally step by step he'd clone it, "And he said he would go to... 675 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,655 "And he's saved it!" 676 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,695 Oh, the tension here! 677 00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:35,655 Oh! And there it is! 678 00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:41,135 The Crazy Gang have beaten the Culture Club! 679 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,695 Many's the time he's driven past Wembley on his way to work, 680 00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:46,335 Dave Beasant. He lives just down the road. 681 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,895 But today he must feel like a king, 682 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,335 going up to receive the treasured prize from a princess. 683 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,495 It's a weird and wonderful world if you come from Wimbledon. 684 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,375 Jesus! 685 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,415 Oh, God, I've lost my glasses case again. 686 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,455 How are you, mate? Good to see you! 687 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,575 Well, I'm in the presence of the master here. 688 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,335 I've been watching you again. Have a good one, john. Thank you, Guy. 689 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,455 We'll get you miked up here. 690 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,335 Nice to see you. Thank you. 691 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,095 How are you? Pleased to meet you. How are you? I'm good. 692 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,935 Very good to see you. And you. You all right? Yeah, you're doing well. 693 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,495 I wouldn't have clone this for anyone else but you. I know that. 694 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,135 Thank you. Motty and Trevor, that was like...it was famous, 695 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,015 part of the... It was a national institution, I think, john. 696 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,695 Well, it was funny, because I was with Trevor and his wife 697 00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:39,815 and my wife at Wembley last night, and somebody 698 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:46,455 mentioned the World Cup and Brazil, when the team sheet thing blew up. 699 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,735 Let's move inside the stadium now and join Gary, 700 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,375 and he's with David Ginola. 701 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,615 Welcome to a very shocked Stacie de France this evening. 702 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,815 David, we have to start with the big news that Ronaldo's not playing. 703 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,895 Apparently, the Brazilian television channel O Globo, Pele, 704 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,015 everybody's running around in total disbelief. 705 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,975 What about this Ronaldo business? Let's go inside the stadium. 706 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,855 John M0ts0n's our match commentator for the final. There he is 707 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,575 with Trevor Brooking, of course. What do you make of it all, john? 708 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,015 Desmond, I've never had anything like this in my career. 709 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,535 The most crucial piece of information for john is the 710 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:17,735 team sheets coming in. 711 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,215 Ancl when the team sheet arrived and Ronaldo's name wasn't on it, 712 00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:23,775 well, obviously... 713 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,695 Motty was in his element. And he had Brooking alongside him, as well, 714 00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:30,255 and it all got a bit mental. But it was brilliant telly! 715 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,695 The first sheet which you showed, which allegedly now is wrong, 716 00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:35,855 which said that Ronaldo would not play, 717 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,735 came up into the commentary boxes about 40 minutes ago, 718 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,375 and the response was incredible. 719 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,975 There were journalists and commentators racing around, 720 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,895 trying to find out the truth behind it. 721 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,735 I'm not sure Trevor didn't go and get a cup of tea pretty quickly. 722 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,375 I wandered off, because I thought, "Well, there's no point in me 723 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,295 "standing there while Motson's getting more and more irate." 724 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,055 Trevor said to me, "Oh, Ray Stubbs is there. 725 00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,815 "Get him to go and ask Pele," 726 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,575 because he was one of the Brazilian commentators, Pele. 727 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,895 My colleague Ray Stubbs raced across to ask Pele, of all people, 728 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,655 what the news was. Pete's reaction was a little bit of... 729 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,535 He shrugged his shoulders and just shook his head. 730 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,895 I took that as "I don't know". 731 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,135 And Ray rushed down about three tiers, came back, he said, 732 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:19,535 "Even Pele doesn't know!" 733 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,335 He was absolutely bewildered by the whole experience. 734 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,415 And here's the second team sheet, which says Ronaldo plays 735 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,095 and Edmundo is a substitute. 736 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,415 And then of course the sheet came round again and he was in the team! 737 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,095 Yeah. Ronaldo, yeah. 738 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,015 We can't get down there to actually find out what's happened, 739 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,775 but I think Trevor Brooking's next... Well, he IS next to me! 740 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,695 THEY LAUGH 741 00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:43,775 I'm fit at the moment. He's definitely starting the game. 742 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,295 So what do you think about it? Well, it's bizarre. 743 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,975 It was all going all over the place. It was the biggest story about 744 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,535 someone in a starting line-up you could ever imagine. 745 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,215 But then he gets the team sheet where he is playing. 746 00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:58,375 Ancl of course if john Motson says he's playing, then he's playing. 747 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,375 Drama over. "Go and get us a beer out the fridge. 748 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,895 "This game is now allowed to kick off." 749 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,095 It's hopeless, this. It's absolutely hopeless. 750 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,295 I had a nice Nokia once, and it was so simple. 751 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,695 And now they've made them more and more complicated, 752 00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:12,495 and I can't work it. 753 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:18,735 Motty as a bloke - a gentleman. Doesn't like confrontation. 754 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,455 Doesn't like being upset. 755 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,895 I know Brian Clough upset him once or twice. 756 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,815 I think Ferguson did, Sir Alex Ferguson did, as well. 757 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,135 I was brought up as an actual working journalist, 758 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,655 and I was actually told to ask questions that demanded an answer, 759 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,615 not, you know, "Well, that was 760 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,095 "a good day for you today, Roberto," or whatever. 761 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,815 OK, this is john going ahead with Alex for Match Of The Day. 762 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,695 I remember with Sir Alex Ferguson, 763 00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:43,095 asking him about Roy Keane's disciplinary record. 764 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,215 I appreciate you keep your disciplinary action inside the 765 00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:50,175 club, but is the Roy Keane situation one that you'll have to address? 766 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,095 John, you've no right to ask that question. You're out of order. 767 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,015 You know fine well my ruling on that. Right? 768 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,575 That's the interview finished. 769 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,735 Then he just threw the microphone off and stalked up the tunnel 770 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,415 and turned round and swore at me. 771 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,775 I'm going now, and I want to cancel that interview, right? 772 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,055 The whole BLEEP lot of it. Cancel it. 773 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,535 BLEEP else here. 774 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:15,175 But I would say, the next time you saw him, it was quickly forgotten. 775 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,575 And I always remember how supportive he was 776 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,975 when he first came to Manchester United. 777 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,295 He used to be very, 778 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,255 very available and he would give you his phone number. 779 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,575 And of course it had to change over the years, 780 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,855 because he became so much in demand. 781 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,695 But there was a heart there. 782 00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:36,535 After the match, john Motson talked to the Derby manager, Brian Clough. 783 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,375 When Barry Davies and I were doing Match Of The Day 784 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,135 in the seventies and eighties, it was more or less a given 785 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,055 that when the game was over, 786 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,335 you interviewed the winning manager on the pitch. 787 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,055 Well, Brian, welcome back to Match Of The Day. A good day for you, 788 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,135 although I suspect you think you might have had rather more goals. 789 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,935 I feel we could have clone, but we're quite happy with what we got. 790 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,855 I'm delighted to be back on Match Of The Day, personally. 791 00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:01,375 You're good judges, of course, 792 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,175 because you've had Derby County on several times this season. 793 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,615 Yeah, we had some fun. He called me names once at Arsenal, 794 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,335 and then he gave me a glass of whisky and said, 795 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,575 "Forget all about it." It was just Cloughie. 796 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,535 I think we find football too much on television. 797 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,215 You and your colleagues are turning us off from family 798 00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:23,175 entertainment on a Saturday night by lecturing us at the moment. 799 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,255 Could you enlarge on that? I'd love to. 800 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,935 I mean, he was a joy to work with, even if you were on the other 801 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,175 end of one of his rants, which I was on many occasions. 802 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,615 I think you've gone over the dividing line where you have a 803 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,975 contribution to make to one of being dogmatic, overbearing, boring... 804 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,935 I can't remember what the question was, but he said to me... 805 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,215 IMITATES CLOUGH: "..and maybe, john, at some point you'll realise 806 00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:49,455 "we're not a bad side!" 807 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,495 Don't be rude, John, inciting me to get the sack. 808 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:53,935 JOHN LAUGHS 809 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,495 I've got two ambitions. I'm going to see you and Barry Davies off. 810 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,255 There's a picture right over in the far 811 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,695 corner of Barry Davies, jimmy Hill and I. 812 00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:07,415 Jimmy was the presenter then and Barry 813 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,815 and I were the two main commentators. 814 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,015 BARRY DAVIES: The West Ham team showing the changing 815 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,495 face of the side during the course of the season, 816 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,255 Trevor Brooking emerging as an England player. 817 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,215 The commentator was viewed very differently then. 818 00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:24,295 I mean, there was so much chat about commentators. 819 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:25,975 There weren't that many. 820 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,855 The battle between Barry and I went on for many years. 821 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,975 We both had our moments, and we remained, believe it or not, 822 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,535 very good friends. 823 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,015 But a typical run from Emlyn Hughes, the head slightly down... 824 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,495 And it was a rivalry because they were different. 825 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,375 They were different types of people, and they commentated 826 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,255 and approached their commentary work in different ways. 827 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,255 So the head of sport actually had a genuine decision to take. 828 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,495 When it came to the cup final, which of course it did 829 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,175 in the seventies, it was clear that 830 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,775 only one of us could do it, Barry or I. 831 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,455 We couldn't both sit in the same chair! 832 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,375 Just looking along the line there, I've met several commentators today 833 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,655 who we're used to seeing at World Cups and European Championships. 834 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,695 You had to try and make sure that week in, 835 00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:15,455 week out you were doing your commentary as well, 836 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,615 hopefully better, than he was, and he'd be thinking the same. 837 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,695 Case. Good turn! 838 00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:26,415 Oh, yes! A brilliant goal by jimmy Case. 839 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,495 As a team, the Davies-Motson thing worked out quite well 840 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,295 for the BBC, because we were totally different types of commentators. 841 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,215 Lee. 842 00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:37,935 Interesting. 843 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,655 Very interesting! 844 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,495 Oh! 845 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,975 Look at his face! just look at his face! 846 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,255 Barry started to get one or two more of the big games, 847 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,975 and Motty was suddenly thinking, "Am I being edged out?" 848 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,215 I remember the World Cup in the United States, 849 00:43:56,240 --> 00:44:01,775 and Motty had just been told that he wasn't doing the World Cup final. 850 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,735 And I remember Motty was just in pieces. 851 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:10,095 Ancl I gather Motty was told by telephone 852 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:14,735 and that he was in a bar at the time, celebrating his birthday. 853 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,855 I think somebody could have been a bit kinder. Maybe they didn't know. 854 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,775 The man who really has brought 855 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,255 the team to the final now has to save them. 856 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:25,935 And doesn't'.! 857 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,335 It's over the top. 858 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:33,495 Brazil have won the World Cup of 1994. 859 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,335 What would you say has been the hardest thing he's ever had 860 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,215 to do as a commentator? 861 00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:46,015 Well, I would think Hillsborough... 862 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,455 ...was just terrible. 863 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,535 When you consider all the places I've been with him 864 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,095 around the world and all the time I've spent with him - planes, 865 00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:01,375 trains, automobiles, everything - he's never mentioned Hillsborough. 866 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,935 Hello. Two of our greatest sporting events dominate Grandstand today. 867 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,135 It's FA Cup semifinal day, 868 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,415 and Hillsborough, as it has so often before, 869 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,895 provides an impressive setting for Liverpool vs Nottingham Forest, 870 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,095 a repeat of last season's... FADES OUT 871 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,735 I've never sat down and had a long discussion with Dad 872 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,735 because I don't think it's a clay he particularly likes to remember. 873 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,655 I know it's something that really affected Dad 874 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,215 and it's really something that weighed on him, to be there. 875 00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:34,415 It's a very nice day, isn't it? 876 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,095 Yes, it is. It's beautiful up here. 877 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,135 Well, the thing I remember most about Hillsborough, 878 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,175 and it's resonated with me many, many times, 879 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,575 was that in the build-up to the start of the game, 880 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,055 john Shrewsbury, the producer, and I had to agree 881 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,015 a way of getting in to the commentary. 882 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,895 We're just going to rehearse the opening again now, chaps. 883 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,735 In full sequence. 884 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,055 And we were panning round the ground looking at the supporters, 885 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,735 and I vividly remember saying to john Shrewsbury, 886 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,535 "I can't talk about the packed Liverpool end 887 00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,375 "because there are huge gaps on the two wing terraces." 888 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,575 There's gaps, you know, in parts of the ground. 889 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:13,455 Well, you look at the Liverpool end to the right of the goal. 890 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,535 There's hardly anybody on those steps. 891 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,375 No, to the right of there. That's it. Look down there. 892 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,495 I could see the steps, because there weren't hardly anybody 893 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,335 standing there. 894 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,055 COMMENTARY: ..last year, have been allocated the top end. 895 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,215 Liverpool's faithful followers, fed on success for 25 years, 896 00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:32,495 are at the Leppings Lane end. 897 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:33,935 They have 24,000 tickets 898 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,975 and haven't seen their team lose since New Year's Day. 899 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,135 And of course what happened afterwards was that 900 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,415 sadly many fans saw their way clear to going down the central tunnel 901 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,775 and that's where the tragedy occurred. 902 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:50,695 That's Hansen. 903 00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,535 I think there may be a slight overflow in the crowd 904 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,655 at the Liverpool end, at the Leppings Lane end of the ground. 905 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,055 But there is room in the sections to either side 906 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,615 if they can shift them over. 907 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,055 From where I was sitting, I had no idea of 908 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,375 the enormity of the tragedy at first. 909 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,975 Er, I could see people running across the pitch. 910 00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:20,935 That's Gaynor out on the right. 911 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,975 And there are fans on the pitch here, 912 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,535 in the six-yard area. 913 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,495 The referee's going to have to stop the game. 914 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,575 There's an overflow behind the goal 915 00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,695 and the police inspector is on the pitch. 916 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,135 And they've come through the barriers - 917 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:37,855 I can only think that's overcrowding. 918 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,575 It doesn't look to me to be any sort of misbehaviour. 919 00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,375 VOICE OVER: One minute I was commentating on a football match, 920 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,375 and the next minute I was a news reporter 921 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,815 updating people on what was happening at the ground, 922 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,895 all of which I couldn't be sure about from where I was. 923 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,775 You can see there they're being helped up by people in the seats. 924 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,375 But there are clearly people stunned and concussed. 925 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,335 He was basically the one who was... 926 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,215 The man who was telling everybody 927 00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:07,215 as well as he possibly could exactly what had happened. 928 00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:09,375 Johihjohn. 929 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,615 I do think they need to get someone on Grandstand quickly here. 930 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,015 I remember I put the television on during the afternoon 931 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:20,015 just to see the scores and what was happening, 932 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,975 and then left it on just sitting there. 933 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,175 Well, yes, john, I can only assume the problem started 934 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,375 with overcrowding at the Leppings Lane end. 935 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,935 From where I'm sitting, that section was occupied 936 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:36,415 by segregated... Thousands of segregated Liverpool supporters, 937 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,855 but as they came over the barriers or through the barriers, 938 00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,495 people were injured at the front, I think, 939 00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,335 and I have to say that it was crushing 940 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:48,295 that seems from here to have caused the accidents and the injuries. 941 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,935 They all had to keep working and telling the story. 942 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,135 But, like everybody, they were in the dark. 943 00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:00,495 They didn't really know the enormity of what was happening. 944 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,255 Yeah, well, I'll do a report, but I need information. 945 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,495 Des has gone down now. 946 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,015 Sorry, say that again? 947 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,015 Des, it's john Motson here. Yes, john. 948 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,855 I'll do about 30 seconds when they come back 949 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,415 and then I'll say, "Desmond Lynam's down at pitch level- 950 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,935 "can you tell us any more, Des?" 951 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,455 It was a tragedy in the making, and 952 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,015 I had to be very careful what I said, 953 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,495 because one of the things I was taught in television was 954 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,535 never assume too much when you're dealing with an issue like that, 955 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,295 and don't start quoting people's injuries and that sort of thing. 956 00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,055 But I remember jimmy Hill being with me 957 00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,095 and I remember him pointing down to the pitch 958 00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,975 and, er, a supporter receiving the kiss of life from a policeman, 959 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,255 and then I realised that 960 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,895 we were dealing with something far beyond football. 961 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,775 Well, it's tragic in every way. 962 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,175 It's... FADE OUT 963 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,055 He had to keep things going 964 00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:54,455 when he didn't know 100% of what was going on. 965 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,335 He could presumably see people in front of his eyes 966 00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,575 who...were clearly not in a good way. 967 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,135 Yes, Bob. I have to say, all the reports you've been receiving 968 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,855 from me have been from high up above the grandstand 969 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,935 in the television camera position, 970 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,575 and on an afternoon which started in such bright sunshine, 971 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,255 with such optimism, in such high spirits, 972 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,215 and now the faces tell the story 973 00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:21,055 of what's occurred here at Hillsborough. 974 00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,575 When I went downstairs and realised what we were witnessing, 975 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,335 er, it was in all my years in football 976 00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,215 the worst moment in terms of football tragedy. 977 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,975 Barry was the first person to ring John after Hillsborough. 978 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,175 Because I think Barry was at the Heysel Stadium, 979 00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,895 so he...was speaking from the heart. 980 00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:02,535 I phoned him because... 981 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,935 He would have known that I knew what he was feeling. 982 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:11,055 Ancl by just sort of phoning to say, "How are you, john?" 983 00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:12,975 Was... 984 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,255 I don't know. It was... 985 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:19,135 You know, it was just an instinctive thing, as far as I can remember. 986 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,095 I have no recollection of what was actually said in the telephone call, 987 00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:24,615 and I would doubt if he has. 988 00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,575 It really, really was very raw. 989 00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:37,295 His love and belief in football that summer 990 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,175 might have deserted him. 991 00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,935 It's a crisp autumnal afternoon in the north-west 992 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,855 and it's the crispness of City's passing 993 00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,495 that Burnley have got to try and come to terms with. 994 00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:54,055 Motty's been hugely helpful to many commentators and young people 995 00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,015 making their way in television. He was helpful to me. 996 00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,175 And here's Sane. Oh, penalty! 997 00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:04,015 He was probably the commentator that I admired most 998 00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,615 when I was a wannabe on local radio. 999 00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,975 Ancl given the fact that I was actually around him 1000 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,255 before some of his television commentaries in my early clays, 1001 00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,975 I think I probably just copied him. 1002 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,175 But my question now is, does Aguero take the penalty 1003 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,775 and equal Eric Brook's record? 1004 00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,295 He's done it! 1005 00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:28,615 Sergio Aguero, 177 goals! 1006 00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,095 Motty is incredibly giving 1007 00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,455 when it comes to people wanting to get into the broadcasting industry - 1008 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:38,775 if you write to him and want any advice, he writes back. 1009 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,615 "Dear Ian. Thank you for your letter 1010 00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,015 "asking about a career in sports broadcasting. 1011 00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,455 "I'm happy to tell you how it came about for me 1012 00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,375 "although I ought to point out that enthusiasm and opportunity 1013 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,495 "are the two big things you need." 1014 00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:54,415 When John sent me the letter, I mean, I was made up. 1015 00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,055 But I mean, I bombarded, on the back of his letter, 1016 00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:02,375 I bombarded every local radio station in the north of England 1017 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,495 asking for experience. I did get the rejections 1018 00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,095 as he anticipated, but I kept on going 1019 00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:12,335 and 30 years on, here I am at BBC Radio 5 Live. 1020 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,975 Good evening, Jason, good evening, Laura. The team news - 1021 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:19,855 both sides have made five changes for this FA Cup quarterfinal... 1022 00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,975 The information and the guidance that john has provided 1023 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,775 has been absolutely invaluable. 1024 00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:35,815 There've been one or two sort of little mementos over the years 1025 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,655 that have come out of the England trips in particular 1026 00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,895 because I went to 49 countries altogether with the England team. 1027 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,255 There was a terrific sense of responsibility with England. 1028 00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,615 I think you felt, you know, you were almost speaking 1029 00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,535 on behalf of the nation, if that's not putting it too strongly. 1030 00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,455 I know I did over 100 England matches. 1031 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,935 It might have even got to 150. 1032 00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,575 But you were at the centre of 1033 00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,975 the England experience, as I would call it. 1034 00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,615 And although it wasn't really as successful as it might have been, 1035 00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,535 and we kept losing on penalty shoot-outs and stuff like that, 1036 00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,695 covering an England game, it was something special. 1037 00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:16,095 It was a commentary apart from the regular domestic league games 1038 00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:17,895 that you did the rest of the time. 1039 00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,215 Here's Michael Owen now. 1040 00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:22,375 My favourite England game, I guess, 1041 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,535 must have been the 5-1 win in Germany. 1042 00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,455 Owen's through again for England! 1043 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,375 What a chance for the hat-trick here. 1044 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:29,775 Owen! 1045 00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,735 Oh, this is getting better and better and better! 1046 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,855 We all thought we were going to go on and win the World Cup, 1047 00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,815 and a few months later Germany were in the final and we were out. 1048 00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:42,495 There's no point in me hiding it. 1049 00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,095 The big disappointment is that I never got to see them in a final, 1050 00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,935 either in the World Cup or in the European Championship. 1051 00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,535 We got close. 1052 00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,775 Obviously the semifinal in Turin is the one that people will point to. 1053 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,855 MUSIC: Nessun Dorma by Pavarotti 1054 00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,095 Appealing for offside, and they're in trouble! 1055 00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,615 Augenthaler couldn't do it! Lineker probably could! 1056 00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,295 And England have equalised! 1057 00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,375 It's Gary Lineker! 1058 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,415 Gary got the equaliser and we all thought, 1059 00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,375 "Well, maybe this IS going to be it." 1060 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,855 The ace marksman keeps England in the World Cup! 1061 00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,295 The Gazza tears, of course, 1062 00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,935 which everybody says rebranded English football. 1063 00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,855 He has actually, Gascoigne, got a yellow card. 1064 00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,735 Oh, dear. Oh, dear me. 1065 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,695 He's going to be out of the final 1066 00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:42,255 if England get there. 1067 00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:46,735 And here is a moment that almost brings tears to his eyes. 1068 00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,055 And to be honest with you, one of the reasons I didn't enjoy 1069 00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,575 that semifinal as much as I should 1070 00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:56,895 was because my biggest fear was that I would get the score wrong - 1071 00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,855 not the actual score, but the score in the penalty shoot-out. 1072 00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:03,775 And never in the history of England international football 1073 00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,575 has so much 1074 00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,695 hinged on such a shoot-out. 1075 00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:13,615 And I remember just having a pad, really, 1076 00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,175 with 1-2-3-4-5 written down, 1077 00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,935 or England 1-0, or Germany 2-1. 1078 00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,895 And I had to keep it myself. 1079 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,735 And if I had said, "One more kick and England will be in the final," 1080 00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:26,135 and it wasn't true, 1081 00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,735 or, "This one could send England out," and that wasn't... 1082 00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,895 I was terrified that I would make that mistake 1083 00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,655 with all those, er, connotations of that game 1084 00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,895 and the size of the audience. 1085 00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,935 Anyway, we scrambled through, like I did, 1086 00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,855 and it wasn't a very nice story to tell, 1087 00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,895 er, but at least I managed to tell it accurately. 1088 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,295 Six really well-struck penalty kicks 1089 00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,055 and now Stuart Pearce... 1090 00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,215 MUSIC: Nessun Dorma by Pavarotti 1091 00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,135 He can't! 1092 00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,855 What can you say that's in that moment 1093 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,735 where people are so disappointed, so emotional, 1094 00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,935 that can just nail it? 1095 00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,095 Would you want to be Chris Waddle now? 1096 00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:16,775 Or even Stuart Pearce. 1097 00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,775 And England are out of the World Cup. 1098 00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,895 West Germany are through to the final 1099 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:27,695 on penalty kicks. 1100 00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:41,015 You know, to hear him say that, "And England are out," 1101 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,295 it's like a resignation - it's over. 1102 00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,375 There's no way to dress that up, 1103 00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:49,775 there's no way to try and sum up how disappointed 1104 00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,735 Chris Waddle or Stuart Pearce are at the time, 1105 00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,695 no way to describe how as a nation we're feeling at that time 1106 00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:58,335 than to say it exactly how it was. 1107 00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,015 "England are out of the World Cup." 1108 00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,695 And Bobby Robson's dream is shattered 1109 00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:05,695 in the cruellest way possible, 1110 00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,015 and with it, the hopes and dreams of every Englishman. 1111 00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,655 At that moment, what people have got to understand 1112 00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,375 is that he's feeling it as well. 1113 00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,495 He's feeling it as an Englishman who would love us 1114 00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,015 to have got to the World Cup final. 1115 00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,495 There was a feeling of, "Oh, goodness, well, that's it now." 1116 00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,815 You know, we're not going to be in the final. That did come through. 1117 00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,815 No words are needed over an expression like that. 1118 00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,495 And I knew, somewhere in the back of my mind, 1119 00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,895 I thought, "Am I going to get another? 1120 00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,855 "Are England going to get another chance to get as close as this?" 1121 00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:40,255 Ancl that's as close as he got. Ancl boy, we got close. 1122 00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,935 I'm going to take some more things out of here. 1123 00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:50,815 When I think that I first covered the World Cup for the BBC in 1974, 1124 00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:54,495 er, there's been a lot of, er, tournaments since, 1125 00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,855 and I've been to most of them if not all, except one, perhaps. 1126 00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:59,895 And that was because of my cancer. 1127 00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,295 To hear the news and to hear it was bowel cancer, 1128 00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,135 which is particularly, um, dangerous. 1129 00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,015 So to hear that news was shocking, really, 1130 00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,215 and to think someone who's been around all my life 1131 00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:17,055 suddenly might not be there was a really frightening experience. 1132 00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:22,615 I know at the time he didn't want the wider world to know 1133 00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,415 what it was. 1134 00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,015 Um, but he did tell me, 1135 00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,975 and it was a scare. 1136 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,615 Well, my diagnosis really started with a letter 1137 00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,055 completely out of the blue from the local hospital 1138 00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,735 saying that I was of an age where I should be taking a test 1139 00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:39,455 for bowel cancer. 1140 00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,895 One of the reasons Dad decided to go along for his 1141 00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:44,215 was because he said, "Well, 1142 00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,135 "if Fred's going off to do one this week, I should go and do mine." 1143 00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,495 And, you know, we decided that over a pint of beer in the pub, really, 1144 00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:54,055 and I think that would be my advice to other sons. 1145 00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:57,335 That, you know, it's not the nicest conversation to have with your clad, 1146 00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:01,895 but it's one that can mean so many extra years of life together. 1147 01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,855 But when I got to the hospital and I had the colonoscopy, 1148 01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,495 er, the surgeon asked me to wait for a few minutes, 1149 01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,975 and that was a bit agonising, and I knew what was coming, 1150 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,495 and he said, "I'm sorry, john, you've got a tumour." 1151 01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,615 It was a major operation that he had. 1152 01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:20,215 Er, but, you know, thank God, everything's fine. 1153 01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,855 But he was able to reflect on his mortality. 1154 01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,815 I remember going to visit him in hospital 1155 01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:30,095 just after his first surgery, 1156 01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,855 and even though he was very woozy with the an aesthetic, 1157 01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,015 didn't really know what was going on, 1158 01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,375 he was still adamant that we should see the League One match 1159 01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,335 that was on TV that night. 1160 01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,335 I think one way in which I coped 1161 01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,695 was because my dear wife Annie had had breast cancer ten years earlier 1162 01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:47,375 and I knew what a shock that was 1163 01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,815 and what fortitude she showed, and courage, 1164 01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,135 in the operation she had to have at the time. 1165 01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,255 And in a way, I guess I thought to myself, "Well, come on, 1166 01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,015 "keep yourself together, don't make too much of a fuss," 1167 01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:01,495 because she showed in her recovery 1168 01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,455 just how brave she'd been. 1169 01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:08,095 And I was kind of trying to be nearly as brave as she was. 1170 01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,095 That is a present for Manchester City. 1171 01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,015 For the next season, come here, 1172 01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,895 and enjoy the... Oh, how nice of you! Thank you very much. 1173 01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,095 It will be a pleasure. Hopefully I am still here. 1174 01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:20,575 You will still be here. 1175 01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,775 It will be a pleasure towards your wife and yourself. 1176 01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,095 I'll bring her, she'll be thrilled. Thank you very much. 1177 01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,535 I know you're a legend here in Match of the Day. 1178 01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,175 I don't know about that. 1179 01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:32,615 Not like you are. 1180 01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:34,855 Thank you very much. A pleasure. It's great seeing you. 1181 01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,215 LINEKER: Onto Crystal Palace against West Brom. 1182 01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:39,735 This was the final Match of the Day commentary 1183 01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,175 for a man who has been broadcasting on the BBC 1184 01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,015 for the past 50 years. 1185 01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:47,255 At Selhurst Park, the Voice of Football, one more time. 1186 01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:48,695 John Motson. 1187 01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,015 These two clubs have identical records recently. 1188 01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:54,935 Three wins and two draws in their last five games. 1189 01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,735 It's been a long time. 1190 01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,815 So many people know him, so many people warmed to him 1191 01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,535 and so many people have memories of certain football matches, 1192 01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,815 whatever they are, over such a period of time, 1193 01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,215 and he's been an integral part of that memory. 1194 01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:16,135 Oh, van Aanholt's in again! 1195 01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,295 Was it over the line? Yes, it's a goal. 1196 01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,215 It's a goal. 1197 01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:26,815 Ancl often we link those memories to words that go with those memories 1198 01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:30,295 and I think that's why, perhaps, as much as anything else, 1199 01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:34,015 that he's so... He'll be so missed in many ways. 1200 01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,415 He's never been the guy that loves himself, 1201 01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,855 and yet he's got all these adoring fans all over the place. 1202 01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,215 Doing well? I'm trying. 1203 01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:49,135 And I wasn't expecting this, Karen, you know? 1204 01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:50,695 I knew it was my last season 1205 01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,535 and there would be one or two things to do around it 1206 01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:55,975 but I was never expecting this... 1207 01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,455 flood of attention. 1208 01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:02,535 Never. I know, but you're a hero in everyone's living room. 1209 01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,975 Aren't you? Oh, I don't know. You are. 1210 01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,295 I've never thought of myself like that, I really haven't. 1211 01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:14,895 It's very, very unusual that one man, this clay and age, 1212 01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,255 can do what he does for so long 1213 01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,055 and still be appreciated and rated by everybody. 1214 01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,775 He just is a wonderful, wonderful commentator. 1215 01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,255 Ancl I think everyone in football would agree 1216 01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,775 that he's probably the best one that there ever has been. 1217 01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,495 I can't join the lap of hon our! 1218 01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:36,255 We've had a very good life thanks to football. 1219 01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:43,055 By and large, he's absolutely loved his working life with the BBC. 1220 01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,975 Ancl that's a great, great thing to be able to say. 1221 01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:25,895 Well clone, john. 50 years' commentating, mate. 1222 01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,335 Love you. 107218

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