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- Do you need bottles?
- I have bottles.
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[Street noise]
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Does anyone need any bottles?
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What time? 4:15?
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The timekeepers are going
to give a signal.
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Okay.
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Everyone has bottles?
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Okay.
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- You ready to go in?
- Let's go.
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There's a guard walking around
looking puzzled.
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I think he's trying to count
the number of people.
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I'm really nervous, man.
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- Let's start.
- Let's go, let's do it, go.
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- Mic check.
- Mic check!
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- Mic check.
- Mic check!
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100,000 dead.
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100,000 dead!
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100,000 dead!
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- 100,000 dead!
- Don't do anything.
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You can't do anything
as far as...
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Temple of death.
Temple of death!
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- Temple of money.
- Temple of money!
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- Temple of greed.
- Temple of greed!
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- Temple of oxy.
- Temple of oxy!
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- Sacklers lie.
- Sacklers lie!
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- Thousands die.
- Thousands die!
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- The Sacklers knew...
- The Sacklers knew...
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- Their pills would kill.
- Their pills would kill!
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They built this wing!
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- They built this wing!
- Take this outside...
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[Screams, cheers]
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[Applause]
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- Sacklers lie!
- People die!
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- Sacklers lie!
- People die!
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- Sacklers lie!
- People die!
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[Chanting continues]
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[♪♪♪]
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[♪♪♪]
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[♪♪♪]
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It's easy to make
your life into stories.
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But it's harder to...
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sustain real memories.
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What do you mean?
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Well, the difference between
the story and the real memory.
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The real experience has
a smell and is dirty,
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and is not wrapped up
in simple endings.
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[♪♪♪]
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The real memories
are what affects me now.
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[Sound of slide projector]
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Things can appear that
you didn't want to see,
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where you're not safe.
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And even if you don't actually
unleash the memories,
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the effect is there.
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It's in your body.
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[Wind gusting]
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All right.
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[♪♪♪]
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[♪♪♪]
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It was a claustrophobic suburb.
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"Don't let the neighbors know."
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My mother used to say
that all the time.
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It wasn't just an attitude.
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Actually,
the neighbors did know,
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we found out
years later 'cause
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there was so much screaming
in the house.
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Tell me about your sister.
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My mother insisted
that Barbara speak
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in full sentences
at the age of one.
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And so she stopped talking
for at least a year and a half.
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Yeah, that was the first
act of rebellion by my sister.
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She would just
wash my hair or hold me,
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or these kind of things
that you need
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when you're a kid.
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And she knew how to do that,
even though
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she hadn't been mothered
in that way.
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She made me aware
at a very young age
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about the banality and
deadening grip of suburbia.
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She had a wildness to her.
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She played the piano constantly.
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Chopin...
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Rachmaninoff, Tchaikovsky....
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And you could tell how she was
feeling by how she was playing.
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[♪♪♪]
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The parakeets would sit on
her shoulders while she played.
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She trusted me
with all her secrets.
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She went on Saturday nights
to the movies
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to make out with boys.
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That was when she stood up
for herself and yelled back.
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And she talked to me about
feelings for other girls.
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It was a period
of sexual repression.
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And she was made
to fear her sexuality.
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And a lot of it was
her need to be held.
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She had a saying:
"Lean cat, savage cat."
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I felt very close to her,
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but she was
in and out of institutions
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for most of my childhood.
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Once they started
sending her away,
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they kept sending her away.
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My parents took away
her credibility and...
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silenced her by calling her
"mentally ill."
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The police came into the house.
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My father started wailing
on the front lawn,
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wailing.
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They were talking to my mother,
saying that
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"We found your daughter
and she committed suicide."
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And I heard my mother say,
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"Tell the children
it was an accident."
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My interpretation
from that minute was...
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Denial.
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She didn't want us
to know the truth.
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That's when it clicked.
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[Busy street noise]
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[Workers talking quietly]
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Okay, let's try it
towards the left.
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- Yeah.
- Or like in the middle?
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I don't know.
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Can you move over to the right?
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Keep going, okay,
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I can't really see
because your body...
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Thank you.
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Wow.
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Do you like it?
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Okay, I just want to see
one more thing.
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Can you switch these two?
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Okay, and one more idea.
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A couple more ideas.
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I could do this all night.
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Watch out.
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Yeah...
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[Gallery noise]
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I was thinking about this
last night that...
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People talk about all kinds
of relationships,
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with their partner,
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their children,
their parents and...
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The relationships
that have mattered most to me,
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probably my whole life,
are my friends.
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I only escaped
because of my friends.
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Right.
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Yeah, that's better.
That's perfect.
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[♪♪♪]
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"I survived the opioid crisis.
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"I narrowly escaped.
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"My relationship to OxyContin
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"began several years
ago in Berlin.
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"It was originally prescribed
for surgery.
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"Though I took it as directed,
I got addicted overnight.
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"In the beginning,
40 milligrams was too strong.
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"But as my habit grew,
there was never enough.
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"I went from 3 pills a day,
as prescribed, to 18.
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"The drug, like all drugs,
lost its effect.
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"So I picked up the straw.
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"My life revolved entirely
around getting and using Oxy,
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"counting and recounting,
crushing and snorting
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"was my full-time job.
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[♪♪♪]
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"When I got out of treatment,
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"I learned that
the Sackler family,
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"whose name I knew
from museums and galleries,
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"were responsible
for the epidemic.
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"The Sackler family and their
private company, Purdue Pharma,
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"advertised and distributed
their medication,
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"knowing all the dangers.
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"I've started a group, P.A.I.N.,
to hold them accountable.
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"To get their ear, we will
target their philanthropy.
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"They have washed their
blood money through the halls
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"of museums and universities
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"around the world."
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[♪♪♪]
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I had no idea that it
was going to actually have
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the traction that it did.
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It's definitely among the,
if not the most,
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proud moments of my tenure
as editor of the magazine.
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She knew how to use her power.
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She's a figure
that these museums
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also wanted to work with.
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They want in their collections.
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She's a major name
in the art world.
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When she published
the portfolio that
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it was the fact that she was
doing it that mattered.
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I knew this would put
her on the line
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in a real serious way and...
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I was concerned for her safety.
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I was concerned for...
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whether she would be
drummed out of the art world.
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I think that...
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She was taking on
a very powerful family,
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one of the most
powerful families.
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I mean, if anyone belongs
in jail, it's these people.
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And as long as there's a jail,
they should be in it...
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until the whole prison
system is dismantled.
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They should be
the last to leave.
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- Last one, lights out.
- Last one.
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After I met Nan and
we connected on levels of...
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having experience with addiction
and stuff like that...
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She said, "Why don't you come to
one of our P.A.I.N. meetings?"
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Most members of P.A.I.N.
have a direct experience
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with addiction,
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or loss of a loved one.
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We have members
who lost their children...
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to overdose,
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that have family members
who are struggling,
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or that they themselves
have struggled.
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Yeah, but death is
the bottom line of this,
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and that should be reminded,
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we should do a die-in
of some sort.
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Do we want to marshal numbers?
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Trusted friends...
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The focus on the family,
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I would say there was a little
bit of fear in the group about
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going straight for them,
although we felt that we should.
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Yeah, this is the decisive one.
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Nan actually said, "Do you think
my career will implode?"
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And I said, "Probably."
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I said, "Yes, these are
very scary, powerful people.
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"But then again,
what else can you do?"
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And she said, "I think we
should take these people down."
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And I said,
"Well, I'm with you."
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And then we started meeting
and we would sit in Nan's house
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and dream up of things
we wanted to do.
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He's really sweet.
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He's sweet on Alex, man.
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Go on.
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Let's see
where it all starts here.
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I mean, there's literally
so many of these
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that it's hard for me to find...
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Yeah, this is September 2019...
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I get this legal hold notice.
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"Dear Mr. Keefe, I write
on behalf of my clients,
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"members of the
Raymond Sackler family.
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"You are hereby
directed to preserve
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"and not to destroy,
conceal or alter
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"any and all documents
and communications
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"in your possession
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"that relate in any way
to any members
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"of the Sackler family,
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"the article, Purdue Pharma,
and or OxyContin..."
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And on and on and on.
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One of the things
that's so strange
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about the Sackler family is that
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we talk about them
in monolithic terms,
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but really it's
three families and...
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they spring from
these three original brothers,
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Arthur, Mortimer and Raymond.
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His name is Arthur Sackler.
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For 40 years,
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he has brought energy, goodwill
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and intelligence to art.
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He owns thousands of works,
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presently displayed not only
at the Metropolitan Museum,
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but in university
collections as well.
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[Applause]
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Knowing that the goal of peace
is engraved in your hearts,
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Mrs. Sackler and I
present to you this verse...
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Arthur dies before
the introduction of OxyContin.
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And yet so much of
what's happened is, in part,
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a function of Arthur's legacy.
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His contemporaries knew him
as this great art collector
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and this philanthropist.
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And the dirty secret was that
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he had come to this position
of prominence and great wealth
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through the marketing
of this drug,
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which also happened to be
quite addictive.
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He creates a whole means
of selling Valium
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in which
you're targeting doctors.
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He devised
a compensation scheme in which
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he would get paid
a series of escalating bonuses
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based on how much
Valium they sold.
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Well, Valium becomes
the best-selling drug
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in the history
of the pharmaceutical industry.
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From his personal collection,
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Sackler gave the Smithsonian
carte blanche
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to select a thousand pieces,
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the best from a lifetime
of collecting.
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The whole Sackler enterprise
has been about marketing,
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the marketing of OxyContin,
but also the marketing
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of the family name.
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There's the family
of the art world
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and the museum world
and philanthropy.
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And then there's the kind of
grubby, unpleasant story of...
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big pharma marketing
and addiction and death.
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Don't be afraid
to take what they give you.
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Often it will be
an opioid medication.
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Some patients may be afraid
of taking opioids
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because they're perceived
as too strong, or addictive.
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But that is far
from actual fact.
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The Sacklers owned Purdue,
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this company that
set out very deliberately
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to change the way in which
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these strong opioids
were prescribed
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and to do so, by claiming
that they weren't addictive.
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A week or two after
my article came out,
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I got this email,
this kind of cryptic email
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from the studio of
Nan Goldin that said,
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"The photographer Nan Goldin
would like to meet with you."
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And I was a little mystified,
didn't know what it was about.
296
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But we set up a meeting.
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She had this kind of
"roll up your sleeves,
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"We gotta do something!
We gotta organize!
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"We gotta get out there!"
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And I probably was...
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I blush to think,
302
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but I probably was
gently patronizing and said,
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"Well, good for you,
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"glad to hear it.
You keep me posted on that."
305
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I love working
in a material I know.
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Blue valium bottles.
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My anger at the Sackler family,
it's personal.
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I hate these people,
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but it's not about
my own addiction.
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I mean, when you think of
the profit off people's pain.
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You can only be
furious about it.
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Sacklers lie, people die,
Fund harm reduction now!
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Sacklers lie, people die,
Fund harm reduction now!
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Sacklers lie, people die,
Fund harm reduction now!
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Sacklers lie, people die,
Fund harm reduction now!
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[Dead silence]
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We consciously talked about
Act Up and what Act Up had done.
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And how we wanted
for these actions
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to make an impact.
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This idea of a bottle
was the first object we created.
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All the museums, institutions
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need to stop taking money
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from these corrupt,
evil bastards.
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[Cheers, applause]
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I got thrown out of every
school and every house
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that I lived.
327
00:22:04,148 --> 00:22:06,890
I got thrown out of
my parents' home.
328
00:22:06,934 --> 00:22:09,415
I got thrown out of
my foster family.
329
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I got thrown out of
the communal foster family.
330
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- Seriously?
- Yeah.
331
00:22:14,158 --> 00:22:16,726
There's not one
I can think of that...
332
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Yeah, I made an art of it.
333
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:26,301
Okay, but why were you
with foster parents?
334
00:22:27,955 --> 00:22:33,308
A psychiatrist told my father
that if I stayed in the house,
335
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the same thing would happen
as what happened with Barbara.
336
00:22:36,964 --> 00:22:40,228
So my parents sent me
to a foster agency.
337
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:46,495
It was the Jewish adoption
agency on Beacon Hill.
338
00:22:47,975 --> 00:22:48,454
Yeah.
339
00:22:49,411 --> 00:22:51,500
I must have been 14.
340
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The woman of the house
straightened my hair.
341
00:22:55,939 --> 00:22:58,855
She wanted me to be
a WASP basically.
342
00:23:01,902 --> 00:23:03,556
I remember
when I first went there,
343
00:23:04,774 --> 00:23:07,516
I projectile vomited
all over my room.
344
00:23:08,387 --> 00:23:10,650
I must have been terrified.
345
00:23:13,435 --> 00:23:16,525
I didn't remember that till now.
346
00:23:21,269 --> 00:23:25,926
I landed in a hippie free school
that couldn't throw me out.
347
00:23:25,969 --> 00:23:27,014
[Sound of slide projector]
348
00:23:27,841 --> 00:23:30,670
Satya school saved my life.
349
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:34,238
[Sound of slide projector]
350
00:23:34,282 --> 00:23:38,025
But I was shy
beyond social phobia,
351
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like crippling shyness.
352
00:23:43,291 --> 00:23:47,469
There were like six months
that I didn't speak at all.
353
00:23:47,513 --> 00:23:51,430
I think my sister's suicide
had silenced me.
354
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,783
Until I met David.
355
00:23:59,046 --> 00:24:02,136
He said I was still speaking
in a whisper.
356
00:24:02,179 --> 00:24:04,399
[♪♪♪]
357
00:24:04,443 --> 00:24:07,010
I was 15. He was 14.
358
00:24:10,536 --> 00:24:13,321
[♪♪♪]
359
00:24:13,364 --> 00:24:16,106
He was a vision to me.
360
00:24:23,244 --> 00:24:25,115
[♪♪♪]
361
00:24:28,554 --> 00:24:31,731
We met each other,
both stealing steaks.
362
00:24:33,863 --> 00:24:35,561
We were shoplifting.
363
00:24:35,604 --> 00:24:39,521
Both of us converged
in the steak department.
364
00:24:39,565 --> 00:24:41,567
- Are you serious?
- Yes.
365
00:24:41,610 --> 00:24:44,657
Oh, I was a great shoplifter,
pretty much all my life.
366
00:24:46,093 --> 00:24:48,922
I'm not sure how good
I am anymore, but
367
00:24:48,965 --> 00:24:51,185
that's how we became friends.
368
00:24:54,188 --> 00:24:56,146
David was a great wit,
369
00:24:56,190 --> 00:24:58,018
very ironic,
370
00:24:58,061 --> 00:24:59,323
very precise.
371
00:25:00,455 --> 00:25:02,849
And that was
the coin of the realm.
372
00:25:04,328 --> 00:25:08,724
He taught me to use humor
as a survival mechanism.
373
00:25:10,770 --> 00:25:13,512
He had this elegance
and he was very androgynous,
374
00:25:14,904 --> 00:25:17,951
which was something
I was really attracted to.
375
00:25:22,129 --> 00:25:25,524
And one night, we hitchhiked
to my brother's dorm,
376
00:25:25,567 --> 00:25:27,613
'cause I was between homes,
377
00:25:27,656 --> 00:25:31,268
and he laid down on the bed
and I lay down next to him.
378
00:25:31,312 --> 00:25:34,402
And he got up and
lay down on the floor.
379
00:25:36,491 --> 00:25:38,754
And I said, "Are you gay?"
380
00:25:40,277 --> 00:25:41,844
And a light came on for him.
381
00:25:46,196 --> 00:25:47,981
He always said that it was
382
00:25:48,024 --> 00:25:50,679
the first time somebody
recognized him.
383
00:25:52,638 --> 00:25:54,378
[Sound of slide projector]
384
00:25:54,422 --> 00:25:55,554
Then he named me Nan.
385
00:25:57,077 --> 00:25:59,558
So I brought him out
and he named me Nan.
386
00:26:02,386 --> 00:26:04,954
So we liberated each other.
387
00:26:09,306 --> 00:26:12,527
David was the eye of my storm.
388
00:26:14,921 --> 00:26:18,315
David and Tommy in a sandpit.
389
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,057
That's one of my
first photographs.
390
00:26:28,891 --> 00:26:31,590
We all got cameras
from Polaroid.
391
00:26:33,113 --> 00:26:36,638
I attached to it more than
anybody else at the school.
392
00:26:38,727 --> 00:26:42,078
It was the only language
I spoke at the time.
393
00:26:44,820 --> 00:26:48,084
Suddenly I had,
you know, a personality,
394
00:26:48,128 --> 00:26:50,173
and it gave me a voice.
395
00:26:54,743 --> 00:26:58,704
Photography was always a way
to walk through fear.
396
00:26:58,747 --> 00:27:01,620
Taking a picture
is kind of protective.
397
00:27:04,753 --> 00:27:07,495
It gave me
a reason to be there.
398
00:27:12,369 --> 00:27:14,154
[Sound of slide projector]
399
00:27:17,287 --> 00:27:19,899
[♪♪♪]
400
00:27:31,214 --> 00:27:34,304
David was living with
this most beautiful queen
401
00:27:34,348 --> 00:27:35,871
in Cambridge.
402
00:27:37,307 --> 00:27:41,529
Very quickly,
I moved in with them.
403
00:27:41,572 --> 00:27:44,010
[♪♪♪]
404
00:27:48,231 --> 00:27:50,712
We went to Goodwill
pretty much every day.
405
00:27:52,583 --> 00:27:55,630
All the rich women were giving
their clothes to Goodwill,
406
00:27:55,674 --> 00:27:58,067
and they were exquisite clothes.
407
00:28:00,591 --> 00:28:02,811
Like Fortuny gowns.
408
00:28:10,645 --> 00:28:13,604
And we went to
The Other Side every night.
409
00:28:13,648 --> 00:28:16,346
Right away,
I felt at home there.
410
00:28:19,698 --> 00:28:23,919
I remember being really excited
to take pictures at that time.
411
00:28:26,748 --> 00:28:29,011
It was like a flash of euphoria.
412
00:28:30,099 --> 00:28:33,276
I know when a picture works.
413
00:28:35,452 --> 00:28:37,063
I get a rush.
414
00:28:41,197 --> 00:28:44,723
I would have the film developed
in a pharmacy,
415
00:28:44,766 --> 00:28:46,768
and each of them would make
416
00:28:46,812 --> 00:28:48,683
a pile of the pictures
of themselves and
417
00:28:48,727 --> 00:28:51,817
compete to see
who had the biggest pile.
418
00:28:51,860 --> 00:28:55,516
If they didn't like one of the
pictures, they tore them up,
419
00:28:55,559 --> 00:28:57,866
and that was okay with me.
420
00:28:59,215 --> 00:29:02,262
I've always wanted
the people in the pictures
421
00:29:02,305 --> 00:29:04,699
to be proud of being
in the work.
422
00:29:07,702 --> 00:29:11,401
People have said, "Oh I didn't
know I was that beautiful."
423
00:29:11,445 --> 00:29:14,753
Which is, you know,
what I want them to feel.
424
00:29:19,714 --> 00:29:21,716
My roommates,
425
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,893
they were running away
from America,
426
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,158
and they found each other.
427
00:29:32,553 --> 00:29:35,556
They didn't think,
"We're pioneers. We're rebels."
428
00:29:35,599 --> 00:29:37,166
They just were.
429
00:29:38,907 --> 00:29:42,041
It was about living out
what they needed to live out
430
00:29:42,084 --> 00:29:45,827
in spite of the reaction
from the outside world.
431
00:29:47,655 --> 00:29:51,572
[♪♪♪]
432
00:30:59,683 --> 00:31:03,035
[♪♪♪]
433
00:31:06,038 --> 00:31:07,648
While I was living
with the queens,
434
00:31:07,691 --> 00:31:09,519
I started going to art school
435
00:31:09,563 --> 00:31:10,869
for photography.
436
00:31:12,392 --> 00:31:15,134
I wanted the queens
to be on the cover of Vogue.
437
00:31:16,526 --> 00:31:19,486
But in those days,
that was so far.
438
00:31:22,750 --> 00:31:24,752
[Street noise]
439
00:31:26,754 --> 00:31:30,105
It was a time that was
really scary for them.
440
00:31:31,541 --> 00:31:32,891
You could get arrested
441
00:31:32,934 --> 00:31:34,588
walking down the
street in Boston.
442
00:31:35,719 --> 00:31:38,592
My roommates
stayed home basically,
443
00:31:38,635 --> 00:31:40,594
and they went out at night.
444
00:31:41,377 --> 00:31:42,857
And...
445
00:31:42,901 --> 00:31:45,686
survival was an art.
446
00:31:50,647 --> 00:31:52,562
[Seagulls cawing]
447
00:31:54,564 --> 00:31:58,481
David and I started going
to Provincetown in '75.
448
00:31:59,482 --> 00:32:02,921
It was the gay mecca.
449
00:32:04,444 --> 00:32:07,055
I worked in a Portuguese
hot dog stand.
450
00:32:07,099 --> 00:32:09,971
And then later,
I got a job as a bartender
451
00:32:10,015 --> 00:32:12,931
at the Pied Piper,
the lesbian bar.
452
00:32:15,585 --> 00:32:19,067
I was living in this separatist
lesbian community.
453
00:32:21,678 --> 00:32:26,640
You know, it was sort of like
flannel shirts and tea.
454
00:32:26,683 --> 00:32:30,992
And I'd come from
taffeta gowns and Quaaludes.
455
00:32:31,036 --> 00:32:33,125
And so I was kind of the oddball
456
00:32:33,168 --> 00:32:36,737
'cause I would wear pearls
and lipstick to the beach.
457
00:32:39,609 --> 00:32:42,656
I fell in love with
this beautiful woman.
458
00:32:42,699 --> 00:32:44,266
We were lovers, briefly.
459
00:32:45,398 --> 00:32:47,617
She had lots of other lovers.
460
00:32:50,664 --> 00:32:52,883
I was obsessed with her.
461
00:32:54,624 --> 00:32:57,236
So I photographed her
constantly.
462
00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:02,893
I have often used photography
as a sublimation for sex.
463
00:33:02,937 --> 00:33:05,113
It's generally better than sex.
464
00:33:09,074 --> 00:33:11,119
I had a button machine.
465
00:33:11,163 --> 00:33:13,643
You know, you take a picture
and put it on a button.
466
00:33:13,687 --> 00:33:15,906
- You had a button machine?
- Yeah
467
00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:19,040
That was my way
of making a living.
468
00:33:19,084 --> 00:33:21,434
Walking up and down Commercial
Street in my high heels
469
00:33:22,435 --> 00:33:24,263
with my button machine,
470
00:33:24,306 --> 00:33:28,789
and Cookie and Sharon
and Divine and John Waters
471
00:33:28,832 --> 00:33:31,400
came by and had buttons made.
472
00:33:33,098 --> 00:33:36,492
I knew Cookie
from John Waters' films,
473
00:33:36,536 --> 00:33:39,060
and I already idolized her.
474
00:33:40,409 --> 00:33:43,195
[♪♪♪]
475
00:33:55,163 --> 00:33:57,818
I'd like to set fire
to this dump.
476
00:33:57,861 --> 00:34:00,734
Just cause we're pretty
everybody's jealous.
477
00:34:00,777 --> 00:34:04,259
It's like a prison here, even
at Christmas it's like a prison.
478
00:34:04,781 --> 00:34:08,698
[♪♪♪]
479
00:34:18,926 --> 00:34:22,582
Cookie was all about finding
what was funny in life.
480
00:34:26,977 --> 00:34:30,329
Cookie and Sharon were together
for many years.
481
00:34:33,941 --> 00:34:36,509
Sharon was working
at a pizza place,
482
00:34:36,552 --> 00:34:38,946
and Cookie came by one night
483
00:34:38,989 --> 00:34:41,644
with her bicycle
and her son, Max.
484
00:34:41,688 --> 00:34:43,907
And he had long hair
485
00:34:43,951 --> 00:34:48,216
with gum and popsicle sticks
and leaves in it.
486
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,308
And Cookie had on these little
Springolator pumps,
487
00:34:53,352 --> 00:34:57,095
but they were held together
with safety pins.
488
00:34:59,053 --> 00:35:01,360
And Sharon thought,
489
00:35:01,403 --> 00:35:03,884
"I'm gonna take care
of these people."
490
00:35:08,628 --> 00:35:10,760
And then Cookie said to her,
491
00:35:10,804 --> 00:35:12,893
"I believe in timing."
492
00:35:13,763 --> 00:35:15,374
[♪♪♪]
493
00:35:16,462 --> 00:35:19,247
Cookie took Sharon home with her
494
00:35:19,291 --> 00:35:22,685
through a swamp
with big pussy willows.
495
00:35:24,774 --> 00:35:27,995
And that was the beginning
of Cookie and Sharon.
496
00:35:31,172 --> 00:35:34,654
It was a time of freedom
and possibility.
497
00:35:36,090 --> 00:35:38,919
That's when I did
my first slideshows.
498
00:35:45,186 --> 00:35:45,882
You ready?
499
00:35:47,057 --> 00:35:49,234
Does everyone have their chant?
500
00:35:50,757 --> 00:35:52,759
That's bullshit, get off it,
501
00:35:52,802 --> 00:35:54,500
They made addicts
just for profit.
502
00:35:55,544 --> 00:35:58,068
We were flying last night!
503
00:36:02,247 --> 00:36:04,945
We were ready to do
another New York action
504
00:36:04,988 --> 00:36:07,817
and the Met and the Guggenheim
to us are like
505
00:36:07,861 --> 00:36:10,429
two of the most
important museums.
506
00:36:10,472 --> 00:36:12,648
And we knew that
the Guggenheim had
507
00:36:12,692 --> 00:36:15,738
the Sackler Education Center.
508
00:36:15,782 --> 00:36:18,524
So they were like
a big target for us.
509
00:36:20,700 --> 00:36:23,659
An important part of
the museums we choose is
510
00:36:23,703 --> 00:36:26,923
Nan is typically
in the permanent collection.
511
00:36:26,967 --> 00:36:29,709
It's much stronger when
the message is coming
512
00:36:29,752 --> 00:36:30,362
from inside the house.
513
00:36:31,580 --> 00:36:34,409
I'm not worried.
What if they recognize me?
514
00:36:34,453 --> 00:36:36,237
By the time we did
the Guggenheim,
515
00:36:36,281 --> 00:36:38,283
our name was out there.
516
00:36:38,326 --> 00:36:40,023
Other museums were alerted
that we might be coming.
517
00:36:41,547 --> 00:36:44,941
I'm supposed to wear it
so that no one knows who I am.
518
00:36:45,812 --> 00:36:48,945
That's not drawing attention.
519
00:36:48,989 --> 00:36:51,383
Very subtle disguise.
520
00:36:51,426 --> 00:36:54,081
It calls a little attention,
doesn't it?
521
00:36:54,124 --> 00:36:55,038
It's kind of horrible.
522
00:36:56,605 --> 00:37:00,174
The attorney general in
Massachusetts had just released
523
00:37:00,218 --> 00:37:02,437
internal emails
524
00:37:02,481 --> 00:37:05,875
and documents of the Sacklers,
which were vast,
525
00:37:05,919 --> 00:37:07,964
and had really damning quotes.
526
00:37:09,575 --> 00:37:14,319
One of them was the quote from
Richard Sackler, saying that
527
00:37:14,362 --> 00:37:17,147
upon the launch
of OxyContin in 1996,
528
00:37:17,191 --> 00:37:20,020
that OxyContin would
cover the country
529
00:37:20,063 --> 00:37:23,197
in a "blizzard
of prescriptions."
530
00:37:23,241 --> 00:37:26,461
I was like, "What if we made
a bunch of prescriptions
531
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,421
"and throw that
back in their faces?"
532
00:37:33,729 --> 00:37:36,776
We're trying to align
the banners with
533
00:37:36,819 --> 00:37:38,865
the fountain right
at the bottom of the spiral?
534
00:37:38,908 --> 00:37:40,083
- Yes.
- Okay.
535
00:37:40,127 --> 00:37:42,129
Okay, "Shame on Sacklers,"
right?
536
00:37:42,651 --> 00:37:43,304
Yeah.
537
00:37:44,610 --> 00:37:46,873
The goal is to get the names
off the walls.
538
00:37:46,916 --> 00:37:49,005
As long as the names are there,
539
00:37:49,049 --> 00:37:51,573
they still maintain their hold
on their reputation.
540
00:37:53,096 --> 00:37:55,273
They're still whitewashing
their reputation.
541
00:37:55,316 --> 00:37:57,187
The museums are still
complicit in that.
542
00:38:02,367 --> 00:38:05,326
The energy was definitely right.
543
00:38:05,370 --> 00:38:07,546
The whole museum was already
buzzing when we went in.
544
00:38:08,721 --> 00:38:10,070
It was a packed Saturday night.
545
00:38:12,768 --> 00:38:15,684
- Nan, are you ready?
- No, where is everyone?
546
00:38:17,773 --> 00:38:19,906
We had a Signal thread,
but it was really like,
547
00:38:19,949 --> 00:38:23,083
"Go at this time. If you see
prescriptions falling,
548
00:38:23,126 --> 00:38:24,258
"it's starting."
549
00:38:24,302 --> 00:38:25,868
- Are we ready?
- Yeah.
550
00:38:27,174 --> 00:38:30,003
[Screams, cheers]
551
00:38:31,918 --> 00:38:34,921
[♪♪♪]
552
00:38:41,797 --> 00:38:44,278
I was at the bottom looking up,
553
00:38:44,322 --> 00:38:46,149
and I checked out for a minute
554
00:38:46,193 --> 00:38:48,369
because I was looking up
at the prescription slips
555
00:38:48,413 --> 00:38:53,156
and just like in awe of
the visual that it created.
556
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,724
[Encouraging shouts]
557
00:38:58,423 --> 00:39:01,164
Say it loud, say it clear,
Sackler name not welcome here!
558
00:39:02,775 --> 00:39:08,128
Say it loud, say it clear,
Sackler name does not come here!
559
00:39:08,171 --> 00:39:13,394
Say it loud, say it clear,
OxyContin got them here!
560
00:39:14,830 --> 00:39:17,485
I was holding
one of the banners.
561
00:39:17,529 --> 00:39:20,053
We looked like we're hundreds
and hundreds of activists.
562
00:39:20,096 --> 00:39:21,750
Right? We were not
hundreds and hundreds.
563
00:39:23,448 --> 00:39:26,538
People are shouting with us.
They're agreeing with us.
564
00:39:27,713 --> 00:39:29,932
- No longer!
- No longer!
565
00:39:29,976 --> 00:39:31,630
- No longer!
- No longer!
566
00:39:34,067 --> 00:39:38,158
- The Sackler family must go!
- The Sackler family must go!
567
00:39:38,201 --> 00:39:42,292
- The Sackler family must pay!
- The Sackler family must pay!
568
00:39:42,336 --> 00:39:44,991
- People die!
- Sacklers lie!
569
00:39:45,034 --> 00:39:47,210
- People die!
- Sacklers lie!
570
00:39:48,081 --> 00:39:51,127
[♪♪♪]
571
00:40:02,356 --> 00:40:07,361
Say it loud, Say it clear,
Sacklers are not welcome here!
572
00:40:07,405 --> 00:40:11,626
Say it loud, Say it clear,
Sacklers are not welcome here!
573
00:40:13,411 --> 00:40:18,154
We have journeyed from
the Guggenheim down to the Met
574
00:40:18,198 --> 00:40:18,764
to send a message,
575
00:40:19,852 --> 00:40:22,463
a message of life and death.
576
00:40:23,421 --> 00:40:25,423
My son was prescribed OxyContin
577
00:40:26,815 --> 00:40:29,470
for a knee surgery
in high school.
578
00:40:29,514 --> 00:40:32,473
The doctors told him: "Take
the pills every four hours.
579
00:40:33,866 --> 00:40:36,999
"Take them before the pain
starts. Take them on schedule."
580
00:40:38,218 --> 00:40:41,177
When my son talked
of his pain, I said,
581
00:40:41,221 --> 00:40:43,615
"Did you take your pill?"
582
00:40:43,658 --> 00:40:46,661
I became an accomplice
to my son's demise.
583
00:40:47,923 --> 00:40:50,491
- That's not right.
- That ain't right!
584
00:40:50,535 --> 00:40:52,885
My son became addicted
to OxyContin.
585
00:40:52,928 --> 00:40:54,626
It progressed to heroin.
586
00:40:54,669 --> 00:40:58,194
It took 11 years.
But it fucking killed him!
587
00:40:58,238 --> 00:41:02,503
It killed him. It took his life.
He died alone in a bathroom.
588
00:41:02,547 --> 00:41:05,245
I don't expect the Sacklers
to care about my son.
589
00:41:05,288 --> 00:41:06,333
We care!
590
00:41:06,376 --> 00:41:09,728
But 400,000 lives, right?
591
00:41:09,771 --> 00:41:11,381
Somebody should care
about that!
592
00:41:11,860 --> 00:41:12,905
Yes!
593
00:41:21,609 --> 00:41:23,393
And how did
the Guggenheim respond?
594
00:41:23,437 --> 00:41:25,178
They didn't say anything.
595
00:41:26,353 --> 00:41:28,703
The museums were keeping quiet.
596
00:41:29,312 --> 00:41:30,488
The first year,
597
00:41:31,924 --> 00:41:34,143
it's like 25 museums
were supportive of the Sacklers.
598
00:41:34,187 --> 00:41:36,015
Either said nothing
or were supportive.
599
00:41:37,451 --> 00:41:40,149
They know the Sacklers
are a bad look...
600
00:41:40,193 --> 00:41:41,281
- For their PR.
- Right.
601
00:41:42,935 --> 00:41:47,200
But they're terrified of what
will be found out about them.
602
00:41:49,724 --> 00:41:51,813
The rich people are scared
that we're going to dig into
603
00:41:52,945 --> 00:41:55,382
the evil way they made money.
604
00:42:04,304 --> 00:42:08,047
[♪♪♪]
605
00:42:41,167 --> 00:42:42,821
I moved to the Bowery in '78.
606
00:42:44,170 --> 00:42:48,478
This place that
should have become a museum.
607
00:42:49,697 --> 00:42:51,394
So many people lived there,
608
00:42:51,438 --> 00:42:53,614
and it was one of
the big addresses
609
00:42:53,658 --> 00:42:56,095
in lower New York
at the time.
610
00:42:58,314 --> 00:43:01,491
It was a shithole loft
because there was no light.
611
00:43:01,535 --> 00:43:04,538
It didn't have any walls
for a while.
612
00:43:04,582 --> 00:43:07,976
Kind of dysfunctional,
but managed to function.
613
00:43:10,500 --> 00:43:14,417
We used to fuck in the elevator.
There was a lot of drugs,
614
00:43:14,461 --> 00:43:17,638
Always a lot of drugs,
a lot of coke, a lot of speed.
615
00:43:18,465 --> 00:43:20,510
The Bowery was the Ballad.
616
00:43:20,554 --> 00:43:23,165
The Bowery was
the Goldin headquarters.
617
00:43:24,732 --> 00:43:27,474
And that's where I was situated
in the universe,
618
00:43:27,517 --> 00:43:29,215
was the Bowery.
619
00:43:34,655 --> 00:43:37,702
When I got to New York, this guy
gave me some names of galleries.
620
00:43:39,312 --> 00:43:41,575
In those days, you went to
galleries with your portfolio.
621
00:43:42,968 --> 00:43:45,274
So I called some galleries,
they weren't interested.
622
00:43:45,318 --> 00:43:46,624
And then I went up
to see Marvin.
623
00:43:48,016 --> 00:43:50,366
I walked in and showed
these photos
624
00:43:50,410 --> 00:43:52,630
that no one
had ever seen before.
625
00:43:52,673 --> 00:43:55,676
Totally bad prints and torn.
626
00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:58,548
And immediately,
we understood each other.
627
00:44:00,333 --> 00:44:02,465
She showed up one day
with a box of pictures,
628
00:44:03,989 --> 00:44:07,296
showed up in this party dress,
a polka dot party dress
629
00:44:07,340 --> 00:44:09,211
with a lot of crinolines,
630
00:44:09,255 --> 00:44:10,560
and a kind of
weird makeup and...
631
00:44:12,084 --> 00:44:15,130
walked up the very fancy stairs
of this gallery and...
632
00:44:16,088 --> 00:44:17,350
had this box of pictures.
633
00:44:17,393 --> 00:44:19,265
And I opened up this box
of pictures and
634
00:44:19,308 --> 00:44:21,267
about 20 of them in it and...
635
00:44:21,310 --> 00:44:23,530
I had never seen pictures
like that in my life.
636
00:44:23,573 --> 00:44:26,751
These portraits and pictures of
people living their lives
637
00:44:26,794 --> 00:44:30,058
that really were unlike anything
anybody else was doing.
638
00:44:31,364 --> 00:44:33,671
He asked me to bring more stuff,
639
00:44:33,714 --> 00:44:37,196
and I brought up a crate.
640
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:38,501
[Laughing]
641
00:44:38,545 --> 00:44:41,591
And I got the cab driver
to bring me up
642
00:44:41,635 --> 00:44:43,637
by giving him a blow job.
643
00:44:43,681 --> 00:44:46,553
So that's how I entered
the art world.
644
00:44:46,596 --> 00:44:48,424
[More laughter]
645
00:44:48,468 --> 00:44:51,253
This was 1979.
646
00:44:51,297 --> 00:44:53,038
[♪♪♪]
647
00:45:03,570 --> 00:45:06,312
The first week we were there,
the Mudd Club opened.
648
00:45:07,226 --> 00:45:09,228
And I met Vivienne Dick.
649
00:45:12,100 --> 00:45:14,581
Vivienne was curious
about everything,
650
00:45:14,624 --> 00:45:17,715
and a lot of stuff that
happened, she took me to.
651
00:45:20,935 --> 00:45:23,677
I mean there were different
worlds in New York that
652
00:45:23,721 --> 00:45:25,766
I was moving between,
653
00:45:25,810 --> 00:45:28,638
and they didn't necessarily
like each other.
654
00:45:32,207 --> 00:45:33,905
The world of Vivienne
655
00:45:33,948 --> 00:45:37,604
and this woman
I lived with named Suzanne...
656
00:45:40,781 --> 00:45:42,348
And Greer...
657
00:45:44,045 --> 00:45:45,264
She was making her dolls
all the time,
658
00:45:46,178 --> 00:45:47,440
working constantly.
659
00:45:53,359 --> 00:45:55,317
[♪♪♪]
660
00:45:56,536 --> 00:45:59,626
And then there was
the world of Bruce.
661
00:46:02,324 --> 00:46:04,196
And David.
662
00:46:08,766 --> 00:46:10,680
And Cookie.
663
00:46:11,420 --> 00:46:13,814
[♪♪♪]
664
00:46:13,858 --> 00:46:17,775
She was the center of
New York downtown life.
665
00:46:21,561 --> 00:46:24,303
[♪♪♪]
666
00:46:28,873 --> 00:46:31,701
People used to say
we were marginalized.
667
00:46:32,441 --> 00:46:34,182
And we didn't care.
668
00:46:36,141 --> 00:46:39,144
Normal people were
marginalized to us.
669
00:46:43,322 --> 00:46:46,064
Cookie was in films,
she was in plays.
670
00:46:47,456 --> 00:46:50,546
And then she was writing
art criticism.
671
00:46:53,201 --> 00:46:54,724
Cookie used to say,
672
00:46:54,768 --> 00:46:56,726
"I don't know why people
think I'm wild,
673
00:46:56,770 --> 00:46:57,336
"I'm not wild,
674
00:46:59,033 --> 00:47:01,644
"wildness just appears
on the road in front of me."
675
00:47:03,255 --> 00:47:07,085
You have to hear her voice.
And that tells you everything.
676
00:47:08,216 --> 00:47:11,045
This kind of irony and humor.
677
00:47:12,394 --> 00:47:13,308
" 'You should really
wait for Charlie
678
00:47:13,352 --> 00:47:14,614
" 'to come back
from the store.'
679
00:47:14,657 --> 00:47:16,050
" 'He's the one to talk to.'
680
00:47:16,094 --> 00:47:18,444
" 'He's right in there
buying oranges for us.'
681
00:47:18,487 --> 00:47:19,837
"She pointed to the Haight
Street Chinese fruit store,
682
00:47:21,186 --> 00:47:22,840
"but I'd had enough
and thanked them
683
00:47:22,883 --> 00:47:23,753
"and left looking
for more action.
684
00:47:25,233 --> 00:47:25,799
"These girls were Susan Atkins
and Squeaky Fromme and
685
00:47:26,626 --> 00:47:27,366
"Mary Brunner and others.
686
00:47:28,846 --> 00:47:31,718
"And I missed meeting
Charlie Manson by 5 minutes."
687
00:47:33,154 --> 00:47:35,853
Cookie was working
as a go-go dancer.
688
00:47:37,419 --> 00:47:39,682
I was dancing
in New Jersey because
689
00:47:39,726 --> 00:47:43,295
you didn't have to take
your top off in New Jersey.
690
00:47:43,338 --> 00:47:45,863
New York was topless.
New Jersey wasn't.
691
00:47:47,777 --> 00:47:49,910
[♪♪♪]
692
00:47:49,954 --> 00:47:52,782
So we'd take the bus
out to Paterson,
693
00:47:52,826 --> 00:47:57,309
and go to these low life bars,
and wiggle our asses,
694
00:47:57,352 --> 00:48:00,878
and then get on this bus
and come back to New York.
695
00:48:01,704 --> 00:48:03,619
[♪♪♪]
696
00:48:05,099 --> 00:48:07,885
I was dancing
to have money to buy film.
697
00:48:16,284 --> 00:48:19,679
Then I started
in the whorehouse.
698
00:48:19,722 --> 00:48:22,029
Yeah, that got pretty ugly.
699
00:48:25,380 --> 00:48:28,122
I haven't kept many
secrets in my life.
700
00:48:29,602 --> 00:48:32,735
But I never did
talk about it before.
701
00:48:37,436 --> 00:48:39,742
But I think at this
point in my life,
702
00:48:39,786 --> 00:48:41,744
I should talk about it
703
00:48:41,788 --> 00:48:45,400
because of the incredible
stigma around sex work.
704
00:48:50,753 --> 00:48:53,626
Vivienne got really
interested in the fact
705
00:48:53,669 --> 00:48:55,889
that I had worked in a house,
706
00:48:55,933 --> 00:48:59,719
and decided she wanted
to make a film about it.
707
00:49:00,807 --> 00:49:02,983
It's a fiction film.
708
00:49:03,027 --> 00:49:06,769
I'm playing the madam
of the house where I worked...
709
00:49:06,813 --> 00:49:07,683
who was a monster.
710
00:49:09,207 --> 00:49:11,600
Hi. How are you?
Have you been with us before?
711
00:49:11,644 --> 00:49:13,428
She would have us
on our backs all day,
712
00:49:13,472 --> 00:49:15,822
and then she'd come home
from Bloomingdales,
713
00:49:15,865 --> 00:49:17,998
showing off her lingerie.
714
00:49:20,131 --> 00:49:24,135
I mean sex work isn't negative
in itself, but it's no party.
715
00:49:24,178 --> 00:49:27,051
It's one of the hardest jobs
you could have.
716
00:49:32,621 --> 00:49:35,537
[Street noise, honking]
717
00:49:35,581 --> 00:49:38,584
And so that's how
Tin Pan Alley came.
718
00:49:42,196 --> 00:49:45,895
Somebody said,
"You should go meet Maggie."
719
00:49:45,939 --> 00:49:49,464
She was hiring women
who had been sex workers,
720
00:49:49,508 --> 00:49:52,598
and helped people
get out of it.
721
00:49:52,641 --> 00:49:55,122
She was an incredible force.
722
00:49:55,166 --> 00:49:57,820
She was a community organizer.
723
00:49:57,864 --> 00:49:59,648
She was a great cook.
724
00:50:00,606 --> 00:50:02,956
She was a radical.
725
00:50:03,783 --> 00:50:06,481
And she was a ballet dancer.
726
00:50:06,525 --> 00:50:10,094
So she hired me pretty quickly.
Like immediately.
727
00:50:11,573 --> 00:50:15,708
The bar was a safe space
for prostitutes and also a way
728
00:50:15,751 --> 00:50:17,579
to work their way
out of prostitution
729
00:50:17,623 --> 00:50:19,712
if they wished to do so.
730
00:50:19,755 --> 00:50:22,410
And it was a center
for those on the left,
731
00:50:23,411 --> 00:50:24,804
the squatters movement,
732
00:50:24,847 --> 00:50:25,935
the anarchist movement,
733
00:50:25,979 --> 00:50:26,545
the Black movement,
734
00:50:28,460 --> 00:50:29,765
people who were interested in
supporting political prisoners
735
00:50:29,809 --> 00:50:30,462
from the Latin left.
736
00:50:31,854 --> 00:50:34,770
And so it was really
a polyglot place.
737
00:50:34,814 --> 00:50:39,688
It had hustlers, it had artists,
Reuters journalists.
738
00:50:39,732 --> 00:50:43,040
It had people from NBC
who were on strike.
739
00:50:43,083 --> 00:50:44,954
And it had the IRS.
740
00:50:46,478 --> 00:50:49,524
When the IRS would come
in the afternoon to get drunk,
741
00:50:49,568 --> 00:50:51,874
they were as hard to handle
as the bikers.
742
00:50:52,962 --> 00:50:55,878
But the bar
was controlled by women.
743
00:50:57,402 --> 00:50:59,969
It was very important to me
that we not have bouncers,
744
00:51:00,013 --> 00:51:03,060
and not depend on male strength
for keeping the peace.
745
00:51:04,844 --> 00:51:07,238
And so when people behind
the bar, including Nan,
746
00:51:07,281 --> 00:51:09,979
decided that it was time
for someone to go,
747
00:51:10,023 --> 00:51:11,894
that person would go.
748
00:51:13,896 --> 00:51:16,160
- It's on the house.
- Oh, thanks, Nan.
749
00:51:19,902 --> 00:51:21,121
[Pool balls colliding]
750
00:51:25,473 --> 00:51:28,346
Tin Pan was very integrated.
751
00:51:28,389 --> 00:51:32,828
The New Wave was not
a very integrated scene at all.
752
00:51:32,872 --> 00:51:35,570
And also it cut across
class lines,
753
00:51:35,614 --> 00:51:38,138
which New Wave
also didn't do.
754
00:51:38,182 --> 00:51:41,141
I spent a lot of time
at Tin Pan but
755
00:51:41,185 --> 00:51:44,753
I can't say...Talk about
repetitive nights, you know?
756
00:51:47,495 --> 00:51:49,889
When I first started,
I loved it there.
757
00:51:49,932 --> 00:51:51,369
The first two years...
758
00:51:52,500 --> 00:51:54,241
I listened to people.
759
00:51:55,590 --> 00:51:56,939
Really listened.
760
00:51:58,637 --> 00:52:00,769
And they weren't used to that.
761
00:52:02,815 --> 00:52:06,384
I was sort of the dominatrix
of the bar and I got tips
762
00:52:06,427 --> 00:52:10,344
because people wanted
to impress me, win me back...
763
00:52:11,824 --> 00:52:15,044
And I would work till
four in the morning and
764
00:52:15,088 --> 00:52:17,003
then we'd go to The After Hours.
765
00:52:20,093 --> 00:52:22,269
♪♪♪ [Saxophone]
766
00:52:23,749 --> 00:52:27,056
Tin Pan Alley became
a major kind of staging point
767
00:52:28,493 --> 00:52:31,974
as people were planning
for the Times Square show.
768
00:52:33,019 --> 00:52:35,195
It was multi-floor.
769
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,111
It was collaborative.
770
00:52:38,155 --> 00:52:40,157
There was graffiti,
771
00:52:40,853 --> 00:52:42,115
sculpture,
772
00:52:42,159 --> 00:52:43,986
there were painters,
773
00:52:44,030 --> 00:52:45,684
lots of video work.
774
00:52:45,727 --> 00:52:46,946
There was music...
775
00:52:48,991 --> 00:52:51,559
[♪♪♪]
776
00:52:52,604 --> 00:52:54,388
♪♪♪ [Singing]
777
00:52:58,958 --> 00:53:03,180
The first floor is where
most of the performances were.
778
00:53:03,223 --> 00:53:05,225
So Nan invited
everyone in the bar.
779
00:53:06,574 --> 00:53:09,882
So, yes, I was anxious
to see her work and...
780
00:53:09,925 --> 00:53:12,667
I was sitting on the floor and
781
00:53:12,711 --> 00:53:14,669
this music starts
and the slides start.
782
00:53:15,975 --> 00:53:19,370
[♪♪♪]
783
00:54:10,682 --> 00:54:13,250
The work was
incredibly political.
784
00:54:13,293 --> 00:54:15,948
It was about power,
785
00:54:15,991 --> 00:54:19,691
and particularly about the power
that men have over women,
786
00:54:19,734 --> 00:54:23,651
and how that power
is translated up in society.
787
00:54:25,218 --> 00:54:27,699
The very first time
I saw Nan's slideshow,
788
00:54:27,742 --> 00:54:29,527
it was extremely raucous.
789
00:54:29,570 --> 00:54:32,443
What I remember mostly
is the noise,
790
00:54:32,486 --> 00:54:34,314
not just of the music or
of the equipment,
791
00:54:35,707 --> 00:54:38,362
but of people talking
to the screen...
792
00:54:39,319 --> 00:54:40,407
Commenting.
793
00:54:42,017 --> 00:54:44,933
At the beginning,
the audience would be made up
794
00:54:44,977 --> 00:54:47,501
exclusively of the people
in the show,
795
00:54:47,545 --> 00:54:50,330
so they would scream at me
if they didn't like something,
796
00:54:50,374 --> 00:54:53,115
and scream if
they loved something.
797
00:54:53,159 --> 00:54:56,728
So I edited according
to that to some extent.
798
00:54:58,817 --> 00:55:00,732
Then I had those pictures
of my friend
799
00:55:00,775 --> 00:55:02,951
having sex with her boyfriend
800
00:55:02,995 --> 00:55:06,128
and she demanded
I take them out at some point.
801
00:55:06,172 --> 00:55:10,089
And so that's when I started
photographing myself having sex.
802
00:55:10,132 --> 00:55:12,352
I figured if I was showing her
having sex,
803
00:55:12,396 --> 00:55:15,834
I had to show myself
having sex.
804
00:55:15,877 --> 00:55:18,315
[♪♪♪]
805
00:55:22,101 --> 00:55:24,582
I was doing it
at underground clubs and
806
00:55:24,625 --> 00:55:27,889
my boyfriend at the time
was spinning records.
807
00:55:27,933 --> 00:55:29,978
[♪♪♪]
808
00:55:30,022 --> 00:55:32,372
So that's when
the music started.
809
00:55:32,416 --> 00:55:34,592
I would start with songs
that I knew and then
810
00:55:34,635 --> 00:55:36,333
people would send me
music, literally.
811
00:55:37,769 --> 00:55:39,988
But I changed them
every single time.
812
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,297
It was fun,
it was really fun.
813
00:55:44,341 --> 00:55:46,995
People would be dancing.
814
00:55:47,039 --> 00:55:48,432
It was fabulous.
815
00:55:49,215 --> 00:55:52,523
[♪♪♪]
816
00:55:57,310 --> 00:56:00,357
I was always late
for everything.
817
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,054
I didn't sleep.
818
00:56:02,097 --> 00:56:04,665
I mean I was up
all night editing.
819
00:56:08,452 --> 00:56:10,628
You never saw
the same thing twice.
820
00:56:10,671 --> 00:56:12,804
She changed the music,
she changed the slides,
821
00:56:12,847 --> 00:56:14,849
she changed the order of them.
822
00:56:14,893 --> 00:56:18,331
Sometimes her own
changed feelings
823
00:56:18,375 --> 00:56:21,116
changed the meanings of them
824
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,728
because her photographs don't
hold just one meaning.
825
00:56:25,294 --> 00:56:30,561
You know a lot is going on
in a Nan Goldin photograph.
826
00:56:34,913 --> 00:56:36,349
And I guess
that's what made people think
827
00:56:36,393 --> 00:56:37,742
it was so cinematic
828
00:56:37,785 --> 00:56:40,832
because to most people,
they seem like characters,
829
00:56:40,875 --> 00:56:42,399
whereas to the people
being photographed,
830
00:56:42,442 --> 00:56:44,966
they seem like themselves.
831
00:56:46,751 --> 00:56:49,231
She photographs from our side.
832
00:56:52,496 --> 00:56:55,455
The mid-80s was when
I was closest to Cookie.
833
00:56:57,457 --> 00:57:01,374
She wasn't doing very well
so this friend of hers told her
834
00:57:01,418 --> 00:57:02,723
to spin a globe
835
00:57:03,985 --> 00:57:08,076
and wherever she put her finger,
to go there.
836
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:12,167
So she went to Italy and
she met Vittorio.
837
00:57:15,388 --> 00:57:18,173
It was the greatest
love of her life.
838
00:57:20,872 --> 00:57:22,569
It was a huge wedding.
839
00:57:22,613 --> 00:57:25,224
Everyone in lower New
York was there.
840
00:57:26,007 --> 00:57:28,270
Renee Ricard,
841
00:57:28,314 --> 00:57:31,099
Greer, David Armstrong,
842
00:57:32,536 --> 00:57:34,929
Francesco Clemente,
843
00:57:34,973 --> 00:57:36,453
Terry Toy
844
00:57:38,019 --> 00:57:40,195
Peter Hujar was there.
845
00:57:40,239 --> 00:57:43,895
And we were standing next
to each other taking pictures.
846
00:57:45,418 --> 00:57:47,551
It was a beautiful wedding,
847
00:57:50,249 --> 00:57:51,729
and a wild party.
848
00:57:56,473 --> 00:58:00,259
[♪♪♪]
849
00:58:29,201 --> 00:58:31,986
Once I started
sharing the work,
850
00:58:32,030 --> 00:58:33,684
I got a lot of shit.
851
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:37,557
"There's no such thing
as a good woman artist,"
852
00:58:37,601 --> 00:58:40,734
was said to me in the mid-80s.
853
00:58:41,866 --> 00:58:43,694
It was really
heavy resistance...
854
00:58:45,217 --> 00:58:49,569
especially from male artists
and gallerists who said,
855
00:58:49,613 --> 00:58:51,136
"This isn't photography.
856
00:58:52,224 --> 00:58:55,532
"Nobody photographs
their own life."
857
00:58:55,575 --> 00:59:00,406
It was still
a kind of outlier act.
858
00:59:00,449 --> 00:59:05,280
It was basically a time of black
and white, vertical photographs.
859
00:59:07,282 --> 00:59:10,155
So it's hard
to understand that that
860
00:59:10,198 --> 00:59:12,505
could have ever been radical.
861
00:59:17,118 --> 00:59:19,512
I thought the art world
was bullshit and that
862
00:59:19,556 --> 00:59:21,558
Times Square was real life.
863
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:24,909
That's where I met Brian.
864
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,175
Our first date,
we went to see The Clash
865
00:59:31,393 --> 00:59:33,265
right around the corner
from the bar.
866
00:59:34,571 --> 00:59:37,661
And then we went up
to Harlem and copped.
867
00:59:39,576 --> 00:59:41,578
And then he just stayed.
868
00:59:41,621 --> 00:59:45,277
And he stayed from '81 to '84.
869
00:59:50,195 --> 00:59:53,764
He was beautiful at the time,
and I fell in love with him.
870
00:59:55,592 --> 00:59:57,550
He was very tender.
871
00:59:59,073 --> 01:00:01,249
You can see it
in Brian's eyes.
872
01:00:07,342 --> 01:00:09,344
We had very good sex,
873
01:00:09,388 --> 01:00:12,565
and that can keep people
together for a long time.
874
01:00:17,178 --> 01:00:19,616
And then we started
fighting a lot.
875
01:00:21,226 --> 01:00:23,271
And I was good at fighting.
876
01:00:28,537 --> 01:00:31,671
He wanted to break up
and I didn't want him to.
877
01:00:31,715 --> 01:00:35,588
And then we went through that
a lot, trying to break up.
878
01:00:37,285 --> 01:00:40,245
And then when I went to Berlin,
we'd broken up.
879
01:00:40,288 --> 01:00:43,378
And then he came
to Berlin and...
880
01:00:43,422 --> 01:00:45,163
And that story.
881
01:00:48,732 --> 01:00:51,386
I did a slideshow at some loft,
882
01:00:52,083 --> 01:00:54,999
and we went to a bar,
883
01:00:56,696 --> 01:00:59,612
and then he realized
I'd been with this girl,
884
01:00:59,656 --> 01:01:01,962
and he became jealous.
885
01:01:03,050 --> 01:01:05,487
And that's what set it off.
886
01:01:08,752 --> 01:01:11,885
We were so intertwined,
we didn't know how to break up.
887
01:01:13,321 --> 01:01:16,629
So this was his way
of breaking up.
888
01:01:19,588 --> 01:01:23,462
He punched me
in the face repeatedly,
889
01:01:23,505 --> 01:01:25,638
like boom, boom, boom.
890
01:01:25,682 --> 01:01:28,902
And he went after my eyes.
891
01:01:28,946 --> 01:01:33,254
I was bleeding and there was
this girl, Sylvie, from Paris.
892
01:01:33,298 --> 01:01:35,953
Sylvie came in
and dragged me out.
893
01:01:37,128 --> 01:01:38,738
She saved my life.
894
01:01:41,436 --> 01:01:44,744
He trashed the room
and he wrote
895
01:01:44,788 --> 01:01:46,746
in lipstick
all over the room:
896
01:01:46,790 --> 01:01:48,792
"Bitch," "Cunt"...
897
01:01:49,793 --> 01:01:51,620
He burned my diaries.
898
01:01:53,405 --> 01:01:57,801
The greatest luck of my life
is that I left the slideshow
899
01:01:57,844 --> 01:02:00,542
at the loft where I'd shown it
900
01:02:00,586 --> 01:02:02,196
because...
901
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,242
- he would have destroyed it.
- He would have destroyed it.
902
01:02:04,285 --> 01:02:05,634
Yeah.
903
01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:16,297
All the bones in the orbital
floor of my eye were broken.
904
01:02:17,472 --> 01:02:18,735
And...
905
01:02:18,778 --> 01:02:19,344
To go for your eyes.
906
01:02:20,737 --> 01:02:22,739
Maggie said he wanted
to blind me.
907
01:02:26,786 --> 01:02:29,789
My pictures of myself battered
908
01:02:29,833 --> 01:02:32,618
were what kept me
from going back.
909
01:02:37,405 --> 01:02:40,452
Women who've been battered
have come to me and told me
910
01:02:40,495 --> 01:02:42,367
that they were able
to talk about it
911
01:02:42,410 --> 01:02:44,586
because of those pictures.
912
01:02:48,373 --> 01:02:52,812
The struggle between
autonomy and dependency is
913
01:02:52,856 --> 01:02:56,033
the core of "The Ballad
of Sexual Dependency."
914
01:03:01,734 --> 01:03:05,651
My father tried to get it
stopped from being published.
915
01:03:07,871 --> 01:03:10,003
The pictures were one thing,
916
01:03:10,047 --> 01:03:13,920
but they were so afraid
of the text...
917
01:03:13,964 --> 01:03:15,792
'cause he said
that I was trying to prove
918
01:03:15,835 --> 01:03:18,751
that they killed my sister.
919
01:03:18,795 --> 01:03:20,448
That's how he put it.
920
01:03:22,842 --> 01:03:24,931
Brian was trying
to get it stopped.
921
01:03:26,498 --> 01:03:31,024
It makes it even more radical:
all these men trying to stop it.
922
01:03:35,507 --> 01:03:39,990
When I got back to New York,
I went to Tin Pan.
923
01:03:40,033 --> 01:03:41,818
I was terrified because
there were all those men,
924
01:03:43,210 --> 01:03:44,908
and I couldn't be
in a crowd with men.
925
01:03:46,344 --> 01:03:49,608
Maggie thought I was
shooting dope and I wasn't,
926
01:03:49,651 --> 01:03:51,828
but I was snorting it.
927
01:03:53,655 --> 01:03:56,615
And I remembered
when I quit Tin Pan, I thought,
928
01:03:56,658 --> 01:03:59,879
"Oh, now I'm going to get
really strung out
929
01:03:59,923 --> 01:04:01,663
"because there's nothing
to stop me."
930
01:04:03,622 --> 01:04:04,928
And I did.
931
01:04:12,849 --> 01:04:14,938
It's a little scary around here.
932
01:04:16,504 --> 01:04:18,898
A New York Postreporter
called me cold
933
01:04:18,942 --> 01:04:20,813
without being introduced.
934
01:04:20,857 --> 01:04:22,380
He called me on my cell phone.
935
01:04:22,423 --> 01:04:24,686
He said he got it
on the internet.
936
01:04:24,730 --> 01:04:26,558
We have to really have the facts
937
01:04:26,601 --> 01:04:28,647
if we're going to go up
against this family.
938
01:04:28,690 --> 01:04:30,867
They could sue us, right?
939
01:04:32,694 --> 01:04:34,696
After a few of our actions,
940
01:04:34,740 --> 01:04:37,351
Purdue Pharma
started taking out full page ads
941
01:04:37,395 --> 01:04:39,005
in The New York Times,
942
01:04:39,049 --> 01:04:42,617
saying, "Of course we care
about the opioid crisis.
943
01:04:42,661 --> 01:04:45,098
"We're in the market
of opioids."
944
01:04:46,708 --> 01:04:50,103
People are still accepting
Sackler donations.
945
01:04:51,888 --> 01:04:54,368
What's happening with
the National Portrait Gallery?
946
01:04:54,412 --> 01:04:56,544
I don't know what's going on
with my work
947
01:04:56,588 --> 01:04:58,546
being in the show or not.
948
01:04:58,590 --> 01:05:00,635
What do people think?
949
01:05:00,679 --> 01:05:03,769
It would be a serious blow
950
01:05:03,812 --> 01:05:05,292
if Nan Goldin refuses
to show her work there
951
01:05:06,250 --> 01:05:07,729
because of Sackler money.
952
01:05:07,773 --> 01:05:08,252
So...
953
01:05:09,688 --> 01:05:12,604
Nan was set to have
a retrospective
954
01:05:12,647 --> 01:05:15,824
at the National
Portrait Gallery in the UK,
955
01:05:15,868 --> 01:05:19,089
but they're in the middle
of accepting
956
01:05:19,132 --> 01:05:22,396
a $1.3 million grant
from the Sacklers.
957
01:05:23,354 --> 01:05:25,138
So Nan told them that
958
01:05:25,182 --> 01:05:27,793
she would not do
her retrospective with them
959
01:05:27,836 --> 01:05:29,273
if they were to accept it.
960
01:05:37,455 --> 01:05:38,673
Unbelievable!
961
01:05:39,979 --> 01:05:43,504
Oh man, it's working, right?
It's working.
962
01:05:43,548 --> 01:05:45,550
I can't believe it!
963
01:05:45,593 --> 01:05:47,421
When the National
Portrait Gallery refused
964
01:05:47,465 --> 01:05:48,857
the donation from the Sacklers,
965
01:05:48,901 --> 01:05:50,772
I thought this is
a watershed moment.
966
01:05:50,816 --> 01:05:54,733
This is an incredible rush
to think that
967
01:05:54,776 --> 01:05:58,476
people are actually beginning
to rethink how we do things.
968
01:06:00,913 --> 01:06:03,742
Let's go over
what happened in one week.
969
01:06:03,785 --> 01:06:07,964
I think it doesn't happen
to activist groups very often.
970
01:06:08,007 --> 01:06:11,968
On Tuesday,
the National Portrait Gallery
971
01:06:12,011 --> 01:06:13,970
was the first to refuse money.
972
01:06:14,013 --> 01:06:14,971
Yeah!
973
01:06:15,884 --> 01:06:18,496
On Thursday, the Tate crumbled.
974
01:06:18,539 --> 01:06:23,457
On Friday, surprisingly,
the Guggenheim.
975
01:06:23,501 --> 01:06:24,502
Yeah...
976
01:06:24,545 --> 01:06:26,591
And that was shocking.
977
01:06:26,634 --> 01:06:27,635
[Applause]
978
01:06:29,289 --> 01:06:33,859
Okay, and then those dirty deep
bottom feeders, the hedge-fund,
979
01:06:33,902 --> 01:06:35,774
refusing to take
the Sackler money,
980
01:06:35,817 --> 01:06:37,645
which is unprecedented.
981
01:06:38,646 --> 01:06:41,040
[Celebrative shouts]
982
01:06:43,042 --> 01:06:45,262
The domino effect was huge.
983
01:06:45,305 --> 01:06:49,701
The fact that this is happening
by all these major museums
984
01:06:49,744 --> 01:06:52,747
and also Nan has her hand in
every single one,
985
01:06:52,791 --> 01:06:54,488
including the Tate,
986
01:06:54,532 --> 01:06:57,622
is major,
and then the Met followed.
987
01:06:57,665 --> 01:07:00,581
But it was not
good enough for us.
988
01:07:00,625 --> 01:07:02,061
We had a very clear demand:
989
01:07:02,105 --> 01:07:04,890
No longer accept Sackler money.
990
01:07:04,933 --> 01:07:07,588
Then the next part obviously
is take down the name.
991
01:07:14,117 --> 01:07:18,599
Subsequently, we then saw
this WhatsApp log
992
01:07:18,643 --> 01:07:22,299
that came out from the
Mortimer Sackler family members,
993
01:07:22,342 --> 01:07:25,911
and you actually see them
start to talk about Nan Goldin.
994
01:07:25,954 --> 01:07:28,131
They talk about it solely as a
995
01:07:29,436 --> 01:07:31,656
matter of
public relations management.
996
01:07:31,699 --> 01:07:34,572
You don't have
a single person who says,
997
01:07:34,615 --> 01:07:36,661
"Well, wait a second,
998
01:07:36,704 --> 01:07:38,793
"maybe there's some substance
to this critique.
999
01:07:38,837 --> 01:07:41,144
"We should look hard
at what we've done.
1000
01:07:41,187 --> 01:07:43,537
"Is there some way
we can make amends?
1001
01:07:43,581 --> 01:07:45,844
"Are there questions
we should be asking?"
1002
01:07:45,887 --> 01:07:47,933
Instead, it's just entirely,
1003
01:07:47,976 --> 01:07:51,154
"How do we manage
this PR problem?"
1004
01:07:52,764 --> 01:07:55,593
[Sound of passing subway]
1005
01:07:58,335 --> 01:08:01,120
When did you know
that you were being followed?
1006
01:08:02,817 --> 01:08:08,780
I was leaving Nan's by myself
on a Friday night.
1007
01:08:09,650 --> 01:08:10,912
And...
1008
01:08:12,958 --> 01:08:14,655
I noticed a car.
1009
01:08:16,135 --> 01:08:17,528
I noticed that the
person sitting in it
1010
01:08:18,485 --> 01:08:22,141
is obscuring his face.
1011
01:08:22,185 --> 01:08:25,927
And the second I'm
directly across from him,
1012
01:08:25,971 --> 01:08:28,539
he kind of looks at me.
1013
01:08:31,759 --> 01:08:37,113
The next week, as I'm crossing
my direct street,
1014
01:08:37,156 --> 01:08:38,984
up to the stop sign,
1015
01:08:39,811 --> 01:08:41,508
pulls this car.
1016
01:08:42,509 --> 01:08:45,773
And I looked at him.
1017
01:08:47,645 --> 01:08:50,387
And I just kept walking.
1018
01:08:50,430 --> 01:08:54,173
I walked for like 15 feet or so,
and when I looked back,
1019
01:08:54,217 --> 01:08:57,045
he was just taking
my photo from his car.
1020
01:08:59,831 --> 01:09:04,009
And like I'm just having
a memory of that moment
1021
01:09:04,052 --> 01:09:05,576
because it's like...
1022
01:09:05,619 --> 01:09:06,142
There is no...
1023
01:09:07,969 --> 01:09:10,189
I don't think I've experienced
a greater fear than that moment
1024
01:09:10,233 --> 01:09:12,409
'cause I don't know
who the fuck this guy is.
1025
01:09:14,150 --> 01:09:17,370
But I know it's the same guy
from the week before.
1026
01:09:20,591 --> 01:09:22,070
So I think I even yelled at him,
1027
01:09:22,114 --> 01:09:23,811
but I don't even know
if he knew.
1028
01:09:23,855 --> 01:09:27,989
He peeled out,
and I was terrified.
1029
01:09:29,034 --> 01:09:30,470
And then,
1030
01:09:31,254 --> 01:09:33,169
imagine my shock
1031
01:09:33,212 --> 01:09:36,955
when the next week,
exactly a week later,
1032
01:09:36,998 --> 01:09:39,523
this guy is outside of Nan's.
1033
01:09:47,183 --> 01:09:50,360
We just walked out
of Nan's house.
1034
01:09:50,403 --> 01:09:53,624
The same car is
in front of the house again.
1035
01:10:01,936 --> 01:10:04,200
And the guy is...
1036
01:10:05,984 --> 01:10:06,985
right there...
1037
01:10:07,812 --> 01:10:10,467
watching me film him right now.
1038
01:10:13,252 --> 01:10:15,385
He's pulling out right now.
1039
01:10:21,129 --> 01:10:23,219
I went out with my wife
and two children.
1040
01:10:23,262 --> 01:10:24,394
I have two small boys.
1041
01:10:25,569 --> 01:10:26,309
We walked out one day
to run an errand,
1042
01:10:27,571 --> 01:10:29,094
and we're getting
into the car,
1043
01:10:29,137 --> 01:10:32,053
and a neighbor came over
and she said,
1044
01:10:32,097 --> 01:10:35,970
"Hey, I don't want to freak
you out, but just up there,
1045
01:10:36,014 --> 01:10:37,363
"there's a guy who's parked
across the street from my house
1046
01:10:38,625 --> 01:10:41,106
"in an SUV,
and he's been there all day,
1047
01:10:41,149 --> 01:10:42,325
"and I think he's watching
your house."
1048
01:10:43,587 --> 01:10:44,283
So the first thing
I thought, of course,
1049
01:10:45,719 --> 01:10:46,459
is that I knew that
Nan had had this experience
1050
01:10:47,678 --> 01:10:49,462
and Megan had had
this experience.
1051
01:10:51,769 --> 01:10:56,513
And so it felt of a piece
in terms of the M.O.
1052
01:10:58,645 --> 01:11:00,734
When I was
fact-checking my book,
1053
01:11:00,778 --> 01:11:03,868
I asked Purdue
if they knew anything about
1054
01:11:03,911 --> 01:11:06,087
these people who've been
following Nan, and Megan
1055
01:11:06,131 --> 01:11:08,046
and me and...
1056
01:11:08,089 --> 01:11:11,049
Purdue came back and said,
1057
01:11:11,092 --> 01:11:13,094
"Absolutely not. Of course,
we would never do such a thing.
1058
01:11:13,138 --> 01:11:14,705
"That's outrageous."
1059
01:11:14,748 --> 01:11:17,273
Really strenuously
denying it and...
1060
01:11:17,316 --> 01:11:20,276
in my queries to the Sacklers,
I asked the same thing and...
1061
01:11:21,625 --> 01:11:24,018
There were some of the things
I asked about
1062
01:11:24,062 --> 01:11:25,585
that they came back and denied.
1063
01:11:25,629 --> 01:11:27,370
And this was notone of them.
1064
01:11:28,806 --> 01:11:31,287
[Street noise]
1065
01:11:37,380 --> 01:11:39,643
Bob is one of
our board members.
1066
01:11:41,862 --> 01:11:43,168
Hi, how are you?
1067
01:11:43,211 --> 01:11:44,996
Now, admittedly...
1068
01:11:45,039 --> 01:11:46,824
It's a little crazy here.
1069
01:11:48,956 --> 01:11:51,524
So has anybody had
a Narcan kit before
1070
01:11:51,568 --> 01:11:53,831
or have been through
a Narcan training?
1071
01:11:53,874 --> 01:11:56,442
Yeah, I got a kit
a couple of weeks ago.
1072
01:11:56,486 --> 01:11:58,183
I have a kit in my house,
but I haven't been trained.
1073
01:11:59,750 --> 01:12:02,840
So I'm just going to go over
a couple of the essentials,
1074
01:12:02,883 --> 01:12:05,016
signs and symptoms
of an opiate overdose,
1075
01:12:05,059 --> 01:12:06,322
and how to use Narcan
1076
01:12:06,365 --> 01:12:07,584
to reverse
an opiate overdose, okay?
1077
01:12:09,020 --> 01:12:10,804
So if you see somebody
who you think
1078
01:12:10,848 --> 01:12:12,763
could be experiencing
an opiate overdose,
1079
01:12:12,806 --> 01:12:15,331
you say, "Are you okay?"
They don't respond.
1080
01:12:15,374 --> 01:12:18,029
You do the sternal rub,
they still don't respond.
1081
01:12:18,072 --> 01:12:19,117
You may shake them.
1082
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:20,901
If they still don't respond,
1083
01:12:20,945 --> 01:12:22,207
that's when
you're gonna give Narcan.
1084
01:12:22,250 --> 01:12:23,295
So you're going to give Narcan
and call 911.
1085
01:12:24,862 --> 01:12:26,254
You can do whichever you want
to do first, but do both.
1086
01:12:27,691 --> 01:12:31,303
Open it up, hold it.
Spray it up their nose, okay?
1087
01:12:31,347 --> 01:12:31,825
If it's not an overdose,
1088
01:12:33,436 --> 01:12:35,046
it's not going
to hurt them and it won't work.
1089
01:12:35,089 --> 01:12:36,830
But if it is an overdose,
it's gonna save their life.
1090
01:12:36,874 --> 01:12:37,353
Okay?
1091
01:12:39,267 --> 01:12:41,269
Focusing on harm reduction is
what's going to bring people
1092
01:12:41,313 --> 01:12:42,401
out of this crisis.
1093
01:12:44,055 --> 01:12:46,971
Safe consumption sites, reducing
stigma and helping drug users
1094
01:12:47,014 --> 01:12:49,277
is the long goal, so...
1095
01:12:51,454 --> 01:12:54,282
[Sound of train passing above]
1096
01:12:58,983 --> 01:13:01,420
Okay, we're going
to start the hearing.
1097
01:13:01,464 --> 01:13:02,334
Good morning.
1098
01:13:03,596 --> 01:13:05,598
I'd like to welcome you to
today's hearing
1099
01:13:05,642 --> 01:13:10,298
on the adequacy of funding for
substance use disorder services.
1100
01:13:10,342 --> 01:13:11,256
Our next witness is Nan Goldin,
1101
01:13:12,736 --> 01:13:17,131
founder of Prescription
Addiction Intervention Now.
1102
01:13:17,175 --> 01:13:21,092
I'm gonna speak, by and large,
from the personal experience.
1103
01:13:21,135 --> 01:13:23,399
That maybe will help inform you
of what it means,
1104
01:13:24,835 --> 01:13:26,619
some of these bills
that you're trying to pass,
1105
01:13:27,751 --> 01:13:31,189
what it actually impacts
on a human being.
1106
01:13:31,232 --> 01:13:34,801
I wouldn't have gotten off Oxy
without buprenorphine.
1107
01:13:35,933 --> 01:13:38,239
On a small dose
of buprenorphine,
1108
01:13:38,283 --> 01:13:40,416
cravings for opioids
are reduced.
1109
01:13:40,459 --> 01:13:42,200
At larger doses,
1110
01:13:42,243 --> 01:13:43,941
you can't even feel
the effects of opioids
1111
01:13:43,984 --> 01:13:45,333
if you try.
1112
01:13:45,377 --> 01:13:47,379
I was one of the lucky ones
1113
01:13:47,423 --> 01:13:48,815
who was able
to access MAT immediately
1114
01:13:49,860 --> 01:13:51,514
and afford good treatment.
1115
01:13:51,557 --> 01:13:54,342
Doctors need to pay to train
and receive a waiver
1116
01:13:54,386 --> 01:13:56,475
to prescribe buprenorphine,
1117
01:13:56,519 --> 01:13:58,390
when no such
certificate is required
1118
01:13:58,434 --> 01:13:59,435
to prescribe OxyContin.
1119
01:14:00,827 --> 01:14:03,395
Again, this is a policy
that increases the stigma
1120
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:05,615
in the medical community
1121
01:14:05,658 --> 01:14:08,487
about treating people
addicted to drugs.
1122
01:14:08,531 --> 01:14:10,707
People need to be kept alive.
1123
01:14:10,750 --> 01:14:15,015
Addiction is not a moral issue.
It is not a criminal issue.
1124
01:14:15,059 --> 01:14:17,409
Harm reduction means not only
1125
01:14:17,453 --> 01:14:19,324
recovering the harm caused
by the disease of addiction,
1126
01:14:20,804 --> 01:14:24,938
but also the harm caused
by the social and moral assault
1127
01:14:24,982 --> 01:14:27,593
on people with
substance use disorder.
1128
01:14:29,813 --> 01:14:31,336
Thank you very much.
1129
01:14:31,379 --> 01:14:33,251
It's important to hear
from people who take
1130
01:14:33,294 --> 01:14:35,383
Medication-Assisted
Treatment [MAT].
1131
01:14:35,427 --> 01:14:36,341
But I'm not ashamed of it.
1132
01:14:36,776 --> 01:14:37,951
No.
1133
01:14:37,995 --> 01:14:40,171
And it's not
my road to recovery.
1134
01:14:40,214 --> 01:14:41,477
- It ismy recovery.
- That's important to share.
1135
01:14:42,869 --> 01:14:45,393
People think you have to
be off everything
1136
01:14:45,437 --> 01:14:47,221
in order to be in recovery,
1137
01:14:47,265 --> 01:14:49,310
and that's certainly not true.
1138
01:14:49,354 --> 01:14:50,921
Yeah, the stigma is terrible.
1139
01:14:51,835 --> 01:14:53,184
Okay. Thank you so much.
1140
01:15:11,376 --> 01:15:12,725
Lock arms?
1141
01:15:17,251 --> 01:15:22,300
We joined with Housing Works
and Vocal New York,
1142
01:15:22,343 --> 01:15:24,694
who really wanted
to do an action...
1143
01:15:24,737 --> 01:15:27,305
- We are here...
- We are here...
1144
01:15:27,348 --> 01:15:30,351
- to draw attention to...
- to draw attention to...
1145
01:15:30,395 --> 01:15:33,703
- Overdose Awareness Day!
- Overdose Awareness Day!
1146
01:15:34,878 --> 01:15:35,792
- No stigma!
- No shame!
1147
01:15:36,967 --> 01:15:37,750
- No stigma!
- No shame!
1148
01:15:38,925 --> 01:15:40,536
- No stigma!
- No shame!
1149
01:15:44,148 --> 01:15:46,193
In order to do
the harm reduction,
1150
01:15:46,237 --> 01:15:49,545
the safe consumption sites
invite people in and say,
1151
01:15:49,588 --> 01:15:50,241
"Look...
1152
01:15:51,329 --> 01:15:54,419
"Whatever you're
dependent on is not
1153
01:15:54,462 --> 01:15:56,290
"what we question right now.
1154
01:15:56,334 --> 01:15:59,076
"We just want you to be able
to do it in a safe way.
1155
01:15:59,119 --> 01:16:00,338
"Not put anybody at risk."
1156
01:16:01,861 --> 01:16:03,602
"Here's how to shoot up
in a clean way."
1157
01:16:05,299 --> 01:16:09,347
"You don't know what you bought,
we'll test it for you."
1158
01:16:09,390 --> 01:16:13,003
- Hey Cuomo, what do you say?
- How many people died today?
1159
01:16:14,134 --> 01:16:16,615
[Chanting continues]
1160
01:16:21,359 --> 01:16:25,319
No more deaths! No more deaths!
No more deaths!
1161
01:16:27,539 --> 01:16:30,934
[Shouts and cheering]
1162
01:16:33,676 --> 01:16:34,546
[Sound of slide projector]
1163
01:16:45,078 --> 01:16:49,561
I went to rehab
for the first time in 1988.
1164
01:16:53,826 --> 01:16:57,308
I had been kind of
isolated from my friends.
1165
01:16:59,745 --> 01:17:02,530
I thought I was going back
to my community...
1166
01:17:04,141 --> 01:17:08,406
And then I realized most of the
people were dead or dying.
1167
01:17:08,449 --> 01:17:10,538
We'll never be
silent again, Act Up!
1168
01:17:10,582 --> 01:17:12,323
We'll never be
silent again, Act Up!
1169
01:17:13,193 --> 01:17:15,848
[Protesters continue shouting]
1170
01:17:20,070 --> 01:17:23,073
Act Up! Fight Back!
Fight AIDS!
1171
01:17:23,116 --> 01:17:25,902
Act Up! Fight Back!
Fight AIDS!
1172
01:17:27,425 --> 01:17:31,516
[Screaming, cheering in street]
1173
01:17:36,695 --> 01:17:38,828
It was like World War II.
1174
01:17:40,220 --> 01:17:42,875
We watched everybody
get wiped out,
1175
01:17:42,919 --> 01:17:45,095
and there was nothing
we could do.
1176
01:17:52,319 --> 01:17:54,931
I got a call
from Artists Space,
1177
01:17:54,974 --> 01:17:57,455
and they asked me
to curate a show.
1178
01:17:59,892 --> 01:18:03,330
I wanted the subject of it
to be AIDS.
1179
01:18:03,374 --> 01:18:07,683
And I was told there hadn't been
any shows about AIDS.
1180
01:18:11,991 --> 01:18:16,561
I asked all my friends
to contribute something
1181
01:18:16,604 --> 01:18:19,607
because I wanted it to be
a community.
1182
01:18:19,651 --> 01:18:22,567
It was the first show I curated.
1183
01:18:25,483 --> 01:18:28,399
Mortality no longer feels like
some abstraction
1184
01:18:28,442 --> 01:18:31,663
that I could push away
to the age of 80 or 90 or...
1185
01:18:31,707 --> 01:18:33,926
There's no longer a luxury of
1186
01:18:35,058 --> 01:18:37,713
pushing the idea
of mortality away.
1187
01:18:41,281 --> 01:18:44,763
David Wojnarowicz
was my spiritual guide.
1188
01:18:44,807 --> 01:18:47,113
He was my political guide.
1189
01:18:53,337 --> 01:18:53,859
"If you want to stop AIDS,
shoot the queers,"
1190
01:18:55,121 --> 01:18:55,905
says the governor of Texas
on the radio.
1191
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:58,603
And his press secretary
later claims
1192
01:18:58,646 --> 01:19:00,474
the governor was only joking,
1193
01:19:00,518 --> 01:19:02,694
and didn't know
the microphone was turned on.
1194
01:19:02,738 --> 01:19:04,348
And besides, he didn't think
it would hurt his chances
1195
01:19:04,391 --> 01:19:06,176
for re-election anyways.
1196
01:19:06,219 --> 01:19:07,177
And I wake up every morning.
1197
01:19:09,005 --> 01:19:10,920
I wake up every morning in this
killing machine called America,
1198
01:19:10,963 --> 01:19:13,487
and I'm carrying this rage
like a blood-filled egg.
1199
01:19:13,531 --> 01:19:14,880
And there's a thin line,
1200
01:19:14,924 --> 01:19:17,491
a thin line
between the inside and outside,
1201
01:19:17,535 --> 01:19:18,579
a thin line between
thought and action.
1202
01:19:20,233 --> 01:19:23,802
And that line is simply made up
of blood and muscle and bone.
1203
01:19:23,846 --> 01:19:26,370
I've been looking all my life
at the signs around us,
1204
01:19:26,413 --> 01:19:28,502
in the media,
or on people's lips,
1205
01:19:28,546 --> 01:19:29,765
the religious types
outside St Patrick's Cathedral,
1206
01:19:31,157 --> 01:19:33,464
shouting to the men and women
in the gay parade:
1207
01:19:33,507 --> 01:19:36,641
"You won't be here next year.
You'll get AIDS and die! Ha ha!"
1208
01:19:43,300 --> 01:19:47,347
Nan Goldin curated this show
with the idea of
1209
01:19:47,391 --> 01:19:51,787
choosing the work of people
that she knew
1210
01:19:51,830 --> 01:19:53,353
who were affected by AIDS,
1211
01:19:53,397 --> 01:19:55,268
who were living with AIDS.
1212
01:19:57,575 --> 01:20:00,883
She wanted to dispel
the notion of AIDS victim.
1213
01:20:02,885 --> 01:20:05,583
Now, I'm hardly a victim
if I can resist.
1214
01:20:05,626 --> 01:20:09,979
What I see is institutionalized
ignorance about this epidemic.
1215
01:20:12,895 --> 01:20:16,463
She also wanted to deal
with issues of sexuality
1216
01:20:16,507 --> 01:20:18,901
in the midst of this epidemic.
1217
01:20:21,686 --> 01:20:23,949
That there was sexuality,
there was safe sexuality,
1218
01:20:25,168 --> 01:20:29,041
and that this was going
to continue to occur,
1219
01:20:29,085 --> 01:20:31,652
despite the silencing of
that information
1220
01:20:31,696 --> 01:20:33,829
by a church or government.
1221
01:20:36,527 --> 01:20:39,747
There is really
important work in the show.
1222
01:20:40,879 --> 01:20:44,143
Like David's.
Like Peter Hujar's.
1223
01:20:46,885 --> 01:20:48,800
Philip-Lorca diCorcia.
1224
01:20:49,845 --> 01:20:51,672
Mark Morrisroe.
1225
01:20:52,630 --> 01:20:54,588
Greer Lankton.
1226
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:56,721
Darrel Ellis.
1227
01:20:58,157 --> 01:21:01,769
People both really well-known
and people unknown.
1228
01:21:04,250 --> 01:21:07,471
It was about
the loss of a community.
1229
01:21:08,733 --> 01:21:12,606
And trying to keep
people's legacy alive.
1230
01:21:18,743 --> 01:21:21,441
I called David and asked him
to write for my catalogue.
1231
01:21:23,139 --> 01:21:27,926
I sent him pictures of
some of the work that was in it,
1232
01:21:27,970 --> 01:21:30,886
and I said, "You can
write whatever you want.
1233
01:21:30,929 --> 01:21:32,017
"I'll support
whatever you write."
1234
01:21:33,323 --> 01:21:36,587
I was asked to write
a catalogue essay
1235
01:21:36,630 --> 01:21:39,459
pertaining to a show
dealing with AIDS
1236
01:21:39,503 --> 01:21:40,939
and a community of people.
1237
01:21:40,983 --> 01:21:42,898
So I started talking about
1238
01:21:42,941 --> 01:21:45,770
what I was experiencing
right there in my life and
1239
01:21:45,813 --> 01:21:47,728
dealing with image
and representation
1240
01:21:47,772 --> 01:21:49,992
and everything seen through
the framework
1241
01:21:50,035 --> 01:21:53,604
of having a taboo disease
in this society.
1242
01:21:55,171 --> 01:21:58,739
I loved that this tiny, little,
skinny catalogue
1243
01:21:58,783 --> 01:22:02,569
with thumbnail reproductions
in black and white
1244
01:22:02,613 --> 01:22:06,182
could cause a major
political shake-up.
1245
01:22:08,967 --> 01:22:11,056
At the Artists Space
Gallery in Tribeca,
1246
01:22:11,100 --> 01:22:13,972
preparations are still underway
for next week's exhibit,
1247
01:22:14,016 --> 01:22:17,845
but the National Endowment of
the Arts has canceled its grant.
1248
01:22:17,889 --> 01:22:20,022
The National Endowment for
the Arts refuses to sponsor
1249
01:22:20,065 --> 01:22:22,154
an art show
here in New York City
1250
01:22:22,198 --> 01:22:24,765
because it deals with
AIDS and homosexuality
1251
01:22:24,809 --> 01:22:25,810
and also offends
some political sensibilities.
1252
01:22:27,377 --> 01:22:29,988
One thing I want to point out is
that it's artist-organized.
1253
01:22:30,032 --> 01:22:33,122
It's organized by a photographer
named Nan Goldin...
1254
01:22:33,165 --> 01:22:37,648
Susan Wyatt, the director, got
nervous about David's writing,
1255
01:22:37,691 --> 01:22:38,997
and so she took it to the NEA.
1256
01:22:40,738 --> 01:22:44,698
The catalogue reportedly
criticizes Senator Jesse Helms
1257
01:22:44,742 --> 01:22:47,527
for his position on
homosexuality and art,
1258
01:22:47,571 --> 01:22:49,921
and calls New York
Cardinal O'Connor
1259
01:22:49,965 --> 01:22:52,358
"a fat cannibal
in a black skirt."
1260
01:22:54,534 --> 01:22:56,710
You think the phone
is gonna ring again?
1261
01:22:56,754 --> 01:22:58,234
Any minute.
1262
01:22:58,277 --> 01:22:58,756
About what? What do you
think it's gonna be?
1263
01:22:59,844 --> 01:23:01,715
It's probably Cardinal O'Connor,
1264
01:23:01,759 --> 01:23:03,979
expressing his direct support
of my statements.
1265
01:23:05,545 --> 01:23:09,897
And admitting that since he does
feast on the body of Christ,
1266
01:23:09,941 --> 01:23:11,943
that he is a cannibal,
1267
01:23:11,987 --> 01:23:14,119
and that, yes, he does have
a penchant for black skirts.
1268
01:23:15,338 --> 01:23:19,603
He is fat,
translucent and immoral.
1269
01:23:24,869 --> 01:23:27,828
After the news first broke,
David called, really upset,
1270
01:23:29,352 --> 01:23:33,617
and told me that they were
trying to make him take out
1271
01:23:33,660 --> 01:23:36,620
"fat fucking cannibal
in black skirts."
1272
01:23:38,665 --> 01:23:40,798
I think it's very dangerous
and very scary.
1273
01:23:40,841 --> 01:23:44,889
I see an outbreak of McCarthyism
and a blacklisting of artists...
1274
01:23:44,932 --> 01:23:46,891
if this is continued
to allow to happen.
1275
01:23:50,068 --> 01:23:52,636
What happened is that
the artistic focus of the show
1276
01:23:53,376 --> 01:23:54,072
really was lost.
1277
01:23:55,639 --> 01:23:58,207
And what turned out to be
the show in its present form,
1278
01:23:59,425 --> 01:24:02,254
was not and is not
sound artistically.
1279
01:24:03,821 --> 01:24:05,431
Composer Leonard Bernstein
managed to become embroiled
1280
01:24:06,432 --> 01:24:07,042
in the controversy.
1281
01:24:08,652 --> 01:24:10,828
This after declining
the National Medal of Arts
1282
01:24:10,871 --> 01:24:13,874
because of the NEA action
taking away the grant.
1283
01:24:15,050 --> 01:24:16,877
And the thing that
makes me laugh is,
1284
01:24:16,921 --> 01:24:19,184
if at this point in time,
1285
01:24:19,228 --> 01:24:21,056
images and words
that have been made
1286
01:24:21,099 --> 01:24:23,667
by an individual
have such power
1287
01:24:23,710 --> 01:24:27,062
to create this storm
of controversy...
1288
01:24:27,105 --> 01:24:28,715
Isn't that great?
1289
01:24:28,759 --> 01:24:30,108
It means that the control
of information
1290
01:24:30,152 --> 01:24:32,545
has a crack in its wall.
1291
01:24:36,984 --> 01:24:38,464
Hello.
1292
01:24:38,508 --> 01:24:39,465
Yeah.
1293
01:24:40,597 --> 01:24:41,728
Hi...
1294
01:24:43,687 --> 01:24:45,210
Well, it's just been a zoo.
1295
01:24:45,254 --> 01:24:47,517
Senator Alfonse D'Amato tore up
an art catalogue
1296
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:48,083
on the Senate floor...
1297
01:24:49,562 --> 01:24:51,869
How can they ignore
the political aspect of AIDS?
1298
01:24:51,912 --> 01:24:54,567
Is the fact that I may be
dying of AIDS in 1989,
1299
01:24:54,611 --> 01:24:55,177
is that not political?
1300
01:24:56,613 --> 01:24:57,266
Is the fact that I don't have
health insurance and
1301
01:24:58,789 --> 01:25:00,007
I don't have access
to adequate health care?
1302
01:25:00,051 --> 01:25:02,227
Is that not political?
1303
01:25:07,885 --> 01:25:11,193
[♪♪♪]
1304
01:25:15,675 --> 01:25:18,591
Vittorio was given
three months to live
1305
01:25:18,635 --> 01:25:21,551
and he started
drawing cartoons.
1306
01:25:29,298 --> 01:25:32,649
He was still alive
a year and a half later.
1307
01:25:35,130 --> 01:25:38,481
That's the wake of Vittorio.
1308
01:25:45,618 --> 01:25:47,881
Cookie had already
lost her voice.
1309
01:25:48,926 --> 01:25:51,276
She was constantly writing
1310
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:54,497
so people could see
what she needed and wanted.
1311
01:25:56,194 --> 01:25:59,415
Then Sharon came back
to take care of Cookie.
1312
01:26:03,897 --> 01:26:07,205
The picture of Sharon
nursing Cookie...
1313
01:26:07,249 --> 01:26:10,252
To me, this is
the meaning of love.
1314
01:26:15,866 --> 01:26:17,868
I was raging.
1315
01:26:17,911 --> 01:26:20,218
"Call this doctor.
Call that doctor.
1316
01:26:20,262 --> 01:26:22,655
"Someone's gonna be able
to help her.
1317
01:26:22,699 --> 01:26:24,179
"There's got to be something.
1318
01:26:24,222 --> 01:26:26,790
"There's a treatment
out there somewhere."
1319
01:26:26,833 --> 01:26:28,400
And then to realize
there was no doctor to call.
1320
01:26:29,532 --> 01:26:31,882
It was just...
I didn't get it.
1321
01:26:49,595 --> 01:26:52,859
We had Cookie's Memorial
at St Mark's Church,
1322
01:26:52,903 --> 01:26:55,949
and the next day,
"Witnesses" opened.
1323
01:26:58,822 --> 01:27:01,085
My name is David Wojnarowicz.
1324
01:27:01,128 --> 01:27:03,043
And I'd like to read this
in memory of Peter Hujar,
1325
01:27:03,087 --> 01:27:05,829
Keith Davis, Bibi Smith,
1326
01:27:05,872 --> 01:27:07,483
Cookie Mueller, Vittorio.
1327
01:27:09,180 --> 01:27:12,183
One of the first steps in making
the private grief public
1328
01:27:12,227 --> 01:27:14,707
is the ritual of memorials,
1329
01:27:14,751 --> 01:27:16,056
and I've attended
a number of memorials
1330
01:27:16,100 --> 01:27:17,971
in the last five years,
1331
01:27:18,015 --> 01:27:19,321
and at the last one I attended,
1332
01:27:19,364 --> 01:27:21,018
I suddenly found myself
experiencing
1333
01:27:21,061 --> 01:27:23,063
something akin to rage.
1334
01:27:23,107 --> 01:27:24,108
What made me angry,
1335
01:27:25,501 --> 01:27:26,676
what made me angry was realizing
that the memorial
1336
01:27:26,719 --> 01:27:28,068
had little reverberation
1337
01:27:28,112 --> 01:27:29,766
outside the room it was held in,
1338
01:27:29,809 --> 01:27:31,376
and at the same time,
worry that friends
1339
01:27:31,420 --> 01:27:33,422
will solely become
professional pallbearers,
1340
01:27:33,465 --> 01:27:36,381
waiting for each death of their
lovers, friends and neighbors,
1341
01:27:36,425 --> 01:27:38,731
and polishing
their funereal speeches,
1342
01:27:38,775 --> 01:27:40,777
perfecting their rituals
of death rather than
1343
01:27:40,820 --> 01:27:42,953
a relatively simple
ritual of life,
1344
01:27:42,996 --> 01:27:44,520
such as screaming
in the streets.
1345
01:27:46,391 --> 01:27:50,090
Not the church! Not the state!
We decide what art is great!
1346
01:27:50,787 --> 01:27:54,269
[Protesters chanting]
1347
01:27:56,575 --> 01:27:58,447
Step on the sidewalk,
can't stay in the street.
1348
01:27:58,490 --> 01:28:00,057
And I imagine
what it would be like
1349
01:28:00,100 --> 01:28:01,667
if friends had a demonstration
1350
01:28:01,711 --> 01:28:04,757
each time a lover or a friend
or a stranger died of AIDS.
1351
01:28:04,801 --> 01:28:06,411
And I imagine
what it would be like,
1352
01:28:06,455 --> 01:28:09,196
each time a lover or friend
or stranger died of AIDS,
1353
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:10,546
or of this disease,
1354
01:28:10,589 --> 01:28:11,764
their friends,
lovers or neighbors
1355
01:28:11,808 --> 01:28:12,374
would take their dead body
1356
01:28:14,201 --> 01:28:17,030
and drive with it in a car
100 mph to Washington, D.C.,
1357
01:28:17,074 --> 01:28:18,902
and blast through the gates
of the White House
1358
01:28:18,945 --> 01:28:20,947
and come to a screeching halt
before the entrance,
1359
01:28:20,991 --> 01:28:24,124
and then dump their lifeless
forms on the front steps.
1360
01:28:25,387 --> 01:28:28,433
But bottom line,
even a tiny charcoal scratch
1361
01:28:28,477 --> 01:28:30,130
done as a gesture to mark
a person's response
1362
01:28:30,174 --> 01:28:30,870
to this epidemic,
1363
01:28:32,481 --> 01:28:34,961
means whole worlds to me,
if it's hung in public.
1364
01:28:35,005 --> 01:28:35,701
And bottom line,
1365
01:28:37,616 --> 01:28:39,444
we have to find our own forms
of gesture and communication.
1366
01:28:39,488 --> 01:28:41,316
You can never depend
on the mass media to reflect us
1367
01:28:42,708 --> 01:28:45,929
or our needs
or our states of mind.
1368
01:28:45,972 --> 01:28:47,974
[Chanting]
1369
01:28:48,018 --> 01:28:51,935
NEA stop your tricks,
Art is sex and politics.
1370
01:28:54,981 --> 01:28:59,246
Mark Morrisroe died
soon after it opened.
1371
01:29:01,161 --> 01:29:02,902
[♪♪♪]
1372
01:29:04,295 --> 01:29:07,646
David Wojnarowicz died in 1992.
1373
01:29:12,216 --> 01:29:15,219
People don't really understand
the anger, and frustration,
1374
01:29:15,262 --> 01:29:17,961
and pain of those years.
1375
01:29:22,357 --> 01:29:25,925
They don't understand
what we went through.
1376
01:29:31,366 --> 01:29:33,498
It's still killing people.
1377
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:36,849
It never went away.
1378
01:29:40,766 --> 01:29:44,161
David Armstrong died in 2014.
1379
01:29:48,208 --> 01:29:52,474
You know we spent
a lot of our life together.
1380
01:29:56,260 --> 01:29:58,784
Decades of friendship.
1381
01:30:07,271 --> 01:30:09,839
[Fountain spewing]
1382
01:30:20,371 --> 01:30:24,288
...Sacklers, we're dying,
and the Louvre covers it up!
1383
01:30:24,331 --> 01:30:27,378
Sacklers, we're dying,
and the Louvre covers it up!
1384
01:30:28,597 --> 01:30:31,034
[Chanting in French continues]
1385
01:30:38,563 --> 01:30:40,435
Many people have
started to refuse
1386
01:30:40,478 --> 01:30:43,133
donations from the Sacklers,
1387
01:30:43,176 --> 01:30:47,180
including the Guggenheim Museum,
the Met Museum, the Tate,
1388
01:30:47,224 --> 01:30:48,965
and the National
Portrait Gallery,
1389
01:30:49,008 --> 01:30:52,272
as well as medical
institutions worldwide.
1390
01:30:52,316 --> 01:30:56,712
We need to demand that
the Louvre stand by and hear us,
1391
01:30:56,755 --> 01:30:58,801
and be the first
to take down their name.
1392
01:31:03,283 --> 01:31:06,286
[Drumming solemnly]
1393
01:31:47,980 --> 01:31:49,765
Can I ask you a question?
1394
01:31:50,330 --> 01:31:52,071
What?
1395
01:31:52,115 --> 01:31:54,421
When you overdosed,
were you alone?
1396
01:31:54,944 --> 01:31:55,640
Yeah.
1397
01:31:57,860 --> 01:31:59,165
Totally.
1398
01:32:03,430 --> 01:32:04,867
I thought it was dope,
1399
01:32:04,910 --> 01:32:07,565
so I snorted it
and it was Fentanyl.
1400
01:32:09,480 --> 01:32:11,526
A lot of people want Fentanyl,
1401
01:32:11,569 --> 01:32:14,659
but I was not prepared
for Fentanyl.
1402
01:32:14,703 --> 01:32:18,141
And I just went out like that.
1403
01:32:18,881 --> 01:32:20,360
I just went out.
1404
01:32:22,058 --> 01:32:23,015
And then I came back.
1405
01:32:24,060 --> 01:32:25,975
And then I went out again.
1406
01:32:27,454 --> 01:32:29,674
Nobody brought me back.
I just came back.
1407
01:32:31,284 --> 01:32:34,897
I'm so lucky
that I came back by myself.
1408
01:32:41,251 --> 01:32:42,644
I mean all the judgment
1409
01:32:43,906 --> 01:32:46,604
of people
who are addicted to drugs
1410
01:32:46,648 --> 01:32:48,475
are stigmatized
without understanding
1411
01:32:48,519 --> 01:32:50,608
what the experience of
1412
01:32:50,652 --> 01:32:52,784
not having these drugs is.
1413
01:32:56,483 --> 01:32:58,747
To have to go
through withdrawal.
1414
01:33:00,357 --> 01:33:03,447
Your brain is stripped of
its opioid receptors,
1415
01:33:03,490 --> 01:33:07,146
so you have no protection
from any kind of pain.
1416
01:33:09,671 --> 01:33:12,282
It's not just
the physical part.
1417
01:33:13,065 --> 01:33:14,371
It's like...
1418
01:33:15,154 --> 01:33:16,721
the darkest...
1419
01:33:18,157 --> 01:33:19,506
you can go.
1420
01:33:19,550 --> 01:33:21,726
It's a darkness of the soul.
1421
01:33:24,337 --> 01:33:26,296
It's unbearable.
1422
01:33:36,001 --> 01:33:37,960
[♪♪♪]
1423
01:33:44,531 --> 01:33:46,359
[Phone ringing]
1424
01:33:47,404 --> 01:33:49,319
Okay. I am here.
1425
01:33:49,362 --> 01:33:51,408
You can come by
whenever you want.
1426
01:33:52,191 --> 01:33:53,366
- Hello
- Hi.
1427
01:33:53,410 --> 01:33:54,367
What did you say?
1428
01:33:54,411 --> 01:33:56,674
I'm here at the restaurant.
1429
01:33:56,718 --> 01:33:57,675
You can come here
whenever you want.
1430
01:33:59,416 --> 01:34:01,548
- Great. How many did you get?
- All that you wanted.
1431
01:34:01,592 --> 01:34:02,941
[Phone hangs up]
1432
01:34:09,644 --> 01:34:12,168
[♪♪♪]
1433
01:34:15,519 --> 01:34:16,825
[Phone ringing]
1434
01:34:17,390 --> 01:34:18,261
- Yeah.
- Hi.
1435
01:34:19,610 --> 01:34:21,699
- Who is it?
- You still in the bed?
1436
01:34:21,743 --> 01:34:23,135
Oh no, I never went to sleep.
1437
01:34:24,484 --> 01:34:28,837
You know what really hit me
as peculiar?
1438
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:30,447
And I was thinking about it
all morning.
1439
01:34:32,275 --> 01:34:36,366
Misery does not love company.
Misery loves attention...
1440
01:34:36,409 --> 01:34:37,759
in this case.
1441
01:34:39,195 --> 01:34:41,458
[♪♪♪]
1442
01:34:55,037 --> 01:34:57,648
[Sound of windshield wipers]
1443
01:35:21,759 --> 01:35:24,457
The supply has
become very dirty.
1444
01:35:24,501 --> 01:35:26,285
Basically lethal.
1445
01:35:31,290 --> 01:35:33,118
Fentanyl is in everything now.
1446
01:35:34,816 --> 01:35:36,469
And this is Fentanyl here?
1447
01:35:36,513 --> 01:35:38,558
So Fentanyl has like
one big peak,
1448
01:35:38,602 --> 01:35:40,778
coke has two peaks right here.
1449
01:35:40,822 --> 01:35:42,171
And they're at
slightly different numbers.
1450
01:35:42,214 --> 01:35:42,737
Okay.
1451
01:35:43,912 --> 01:35:46,610
Here you can see this deviates.
1452
01:35:55,358 --> 01:35:58,840
You want to show them
the bloody ones you did?
1453
01:35:58,883 --> 01:36:00,798
No, but it's good 'cause then
1454
01:36:00,842 --> 01:36:02,365
it will be obvious
it's not real.
1455
01:36:08,153 --> 01:36:10,982
- What is our messaging?
- Our messaging is...
1456
01:36:11,026 --> 01:36:13,985
"Purdue is bankrupt,
but the Sacklers aren't.
1457
01:36:14,029 --> 01:36:17,249
"Their personal wealth has all
been made from OxyContin
1458
01:36:17,293 --> 01:36:19,338
"and it needs to be
taken from them."
1459
01:36:19,382 --> 01:36:21,471
I think the messaging is
1460
01:36:21,514 --> 01:36:23,734
the Sacklers are getting away
with murder.
1461
01:36:23,778 --> 01:36:26,955
We want their money and
where we want to spend it.
1462
01:36:28,870 --> 01:36:32,308
The company ends up
declaring bankruptcy.
1463
01:36:32,351 --> 01:36:36,094
That's this kind of amazing
escape hatch because
1464
01:36:37,835 --> 01:36:40,795
what happens is that Purdue,
the company, says,
1465
01:36:40,838 --> 01:36:42,579
"Listen, we realize there's
all these lawsuits,
1466
01:36:42,622 --> 01:36:46,844
"but we don't have the resources
to fight or settle them all,
1467
01:36:48,237 --> 01:36:49,847
"and so instead we're gonna
declare bankruptcy
1468
01:36:49,891 --> 01:36:52,676
"because our coffers
are almost empty."
1469
01:36:52,719 --> 01:36:55,722
But the reason that the coffers
are almost empty, we now know,
1470
01:36:55,766 --> 01:36:57,899
is that behind
the scenes for a decade
1471
01:36:57,942 --> 01:37:00,640
leading up to
this bankruptcy plea,
1472
01:37:00,684 --> 01:37:02,773
the Sacklers have been quietly
siphoning money
1473
01:37:02,817 --> 01:37:04,601
out of the company.
1474
01:37:04,644 --> 01:37:08,344
So they took more than
$10 billion out of the company
1475
01:37:08,387 --> 01:37:10,041
before it declares bankruptcy.
1476
01:37:11,260 --> 01:37:13,784
- Whose money?
- Our money!
1477
01:37:13,828 --> 01:37:15,873
- Whose blood?
- Our blood!
1478
01:37:16,874 --> 01:37:19,877
[Protesters chanting]
1479
01:37:28,494 --> 01:37:30,366
You think they could
get away with this?
1480
01:37:30,409 --> 01:37:31,715
Of course.
1481
01:37:32,194 --> 01:37:32,803
Yes.
1482
01:37:34,239 --> 01:37:36,024
I never expected that
they'd be held accountable.
1483
01:37:36,067 --> 01:37:38,591
I don't think that much money
can be taken away
1484
01:37:38,635 --> 01:37:41,246
from a billionaire family.
1485
01:37:43,727 --> 01:37:45,555
[Cracking egg]
1486
01:37:45,598 --> 01:37:49,559
The fact that a bankruptcy court
is deciding
1487
01:37:49,602 --> 01:37:52,301
a public crisis issue is crazy.
1488
01:37:53,215 --> 01:37:54,085
That's the problem.
1489
01:37:55,608 --> 01:37:56,958
So I've been involved
since the beginning basically.
1490
01:37:57,001 --> 01:37:58,350
At some point,
a light bulb went on and I was
like:
1491
01:37:58,394 --> 01:38:02,877
"Let's bring the activism
into the courtroom," and
1492
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:06,402
ever since then, we've been
fighting in the court.
1493
01:38:06,445 --> 01:38:09,361
And we weren't exactly welcome
the first time.
1494
01:38:10,754 --> 01:38:13,452
You know, we're like
little assassins,
1495
01:38:13,496 --> 01:38:15,715
we go in and get out.
1496
01:38:17,065 --> 01:38:19,719
I told the lawyer
for Purdue that
1497
01:38:19,763 --> 01:38:21,678
I'm doing it pro-bono.
1498
01:38:21,721 --> 01:38:23,506
He was like, "What?"
1499
01:38:27,510 --> 01:38:28,467
He was like,
"What? Wait, what?"
1500
01:38:29,904 --> 01:38:32,950
You know, because they spend
$30 million a month
1501
01:38:32,994 --> 01:38:36,214
on legal fees and
professional fees in this case.
1502
01:38:37,955 --> 01:38:40,827
There's like
80-something attorneys
1503
01:38:40,871 --> 01:38:42,742
and people on this call.
1504
01:38:42,786 --> 01:38:44,048
That's a lot.
1505
01:38:45,267 --> 01:38:47,965
Good morning,
this is Judge Drain.
1506
01:38:48,009 --> 01:38:50,837
This is a completely
telephonic hearing.
1507
01:38:51,969 --> 01:38:57,888
We're here today in re:
Purdue Pharma L.P.
1508
01:38:57,932 --> 01:39:00,586
Your Honor, we think
there's a huge mistake here.
1509
01:39:00,630 --> 01:39:03,894
We think the process that
the DOJ went through was wrong.
1510
01:39:03,938 --> 01:39:05,591
We think that the results,
1511
01:39:05,635 --> 01:39:07,158
which are completely
vague and baffling
1512
01:39:08,333 --> 01:39:09,508
to me and my clients, is wrong.
1513
01:39:11,032 --> 01:39:14,687
The DOJ neither invited input
from Purdue's victims,
1514
01:39:14,731 --> 01:39:16,602
nor the public, nor apparently
1515
01:39:16,646 --> 01:39:18,865
any members of
the House and Senate.
1516
01:39:18,909 --> 01:39:21,216
The negotiation between
these two parties,
1517
01:39:21,259 --> 01:39:22,957
the DOJ and Purdue/
The Sacklers alone,
1518
01:39:24,393 --> 01:39:28,179
is not sufficient to make this
kind of policy decision.
1519
01:39:28,223 --> 01:39:30,965
My clients are like
the Ghost of Christmas Past,
1520
01:39:31,008 --> 01:39:32,923
they're here to tell
you in 2007,
1521
01:39:32,967 --> 01:39:34,446
they saw there was a problem,
1522
01:39:35,404 --> 01:39:36,057
the problem got worse,
1523
01:39:37,536 --> 01:39:39,886
and this is our moment,
their moment, to tell you
1524
01:39:39,930 --> 01:39:43,238
we gotta make sure that
the future is safer.
1525
01:39:44,065 --> 01:39:45,414
Okay, well...
1526
01:39:46,371 --> 01:39:47,851
All right, thank you.
1527
01:39:48,721 --> 01:39:49,853
Good morning, Your Honor,
1528
01:39:51,507 --> 01:39:52,334
and good morning to everyone
who is on the line.
1529
01:39:54,075 --> 01:39:55,554
Your Honor, Mr. Quinn
many times used the phrase
1530
01:39:55,598 --> 01:39:57,339
"Purdue/The Sacklers,"
1531
01:39:57,382 --> 01:39:58,470
the kind of suggestion that
1532
01:39:59,994 --> 01:40:01,952
Purdue and the Sacklers
are in this together
1533
01:40:01,996 --> 01:40:03,649
is really not helpful.
1534
01:40:03,693 --> 01:40:05,521
And it's just, it's not fair.
1535
01:40:09,829 --> 01:40:11,744
This is so depressing.
1536
01:40:11,788 --> 01:40:13,572
Thank you so much, Mike,
1537
01:40:13,616 --> 01:40:16,836
thank you so much for
going out there and battling.
1538
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:20,753
I feel proud to be doing it,
and, whatever, we're in it.
1539
01:40:20,797 --> 01:40:24,018
The fact that our group
is in the bankruptcy
1540
01:40:24,061 --> 01:40:25,454
at the front of the bankruptcy,
1541
01:40:25,497 --> 01:40:27,847
fighting every single thing,
tooth and nail,
1542
01:40:27,891 --> 01:40:29,458
- is pretty amazing.
- Yeah, it's pretty funny.
1543
01:40:29,501 --> 01:40:30,894
It's fucking crazy.
1544
01:40:30,937 --> 01:40:33,549
Is there any chance
of criminal charges?
1545
01:40:33,592 --> 01:40:34,071
No.
1546
01:40:35,377 --> 01:40:38,249
The way the plan's structured,
if the DOJ filed
1547
01:40:38,293 --> 01:40:40,817
criminal charges
against the Sacklers now,
1548
01:40:40,860 --> 01:40:42,036
it would blow up
the whole bankruptcy.
1549
01:40:43,472 --> 01:40:46,736
So effectively, they just dodged
criminal liability.
1550
01:41:04,449 --> 01:41:07,061
We followed these people
into bankruptcy court
1551
01:41:07,104 --> 01:41:09,324
and we're watching them
1552
01:41:09,367 --> 01:41:11,978
completely manipulate
the justice system.
1553
01:41:12,022 --> 01:41:15,112
There's no justice for us,
only for billionaires.
1554
01:41:15,156 --> 01:41:17,288
So all we can hope
1555
01:41:17,332 --> 01:41:18,985
is that the money
in the settlement
1556
01:41:19,029 --> 01:41:20,813
that goes to the states,
1557
01:41:20,857 --> 01:41:23,033
goes to the right places,
1558
01:41:23,077 --> 01:41:26,602
that it goes to harm reduction,
and not policing.
1559
01:41:26,645 --> 01:41:28,821
[Cheering, applause]
1560
01:41:28,865 --> 01:41:31,737
That it goes to groups like you
that are saving lives.
1561
01:41:39,049 --> 01:41:40,398
This is a proceeding
in Federal court.
1562
01:41:41,530 --> 01:41:42,531
It is being held remotely,
1563
01:41:44,272 --> 01:41:48,058
but the rules and decorum
of a Federal court apply.
1564
01:41:54,717 --> 01:41:55,326
So let me confirm
1565
01:41:56,632 --> 01:42:00,157
I see David Sackler
on the screen,
1566
01:42:00,201 --> 01:42:02,638
And I see Theresa Sackler.
1567
01:42:03,900 --> 01:42:07,295
Richard Sackler is on the phone
1568
01:42:07,338 --> 01:42:10,776
and will stay on the phone
throughout this proceeding.
1569
01:42:10,820 --> 01:42:12,996
Dr. Sackler, can you confirm
that for me?
1570
01:42:14,606 --> 01:42:20,003
Yes, Your Honor, I am here
on the phone and I'm listening.
1571
01:42:20,046 --> 01:42:22,092
Before we start, there's
1572
01:42:22,136 --> 01:42:24,312
one clarification
I wanted to make:
1573
01:42:24,355 --> 01:42:27,967
I believe Richard said
that he is listening.
1574
01:42:28,011 --> 01:42:29,621
I believe that he's
also supposed to say that
1575
01:42:29,665 --> 01:42:30,187
he is watching,
1576
01:42:32,146 --> 01:42:33,843
he's supposed to be watching
the video but not seen.
1577
01:42:33,886 --> 01:42:35,366
Can he confirm that?
1578
01:42:36,889 --> 01:42:39,588
I can confirm that, I saw...
1579
01:42:39,631 --> 01:42:40,545
I've seen everything.
1580
01:42:41,633 --> 01:42:43,896
Okay, that's important,
1581
01:42:43,940 --> 01:42:46,160
and thank you for
raising that, Mr. Price.
1582
01:42:46,203 --> 01:42:49,206
All right, the first person
who will speak today
1583
01:42:49,250 --> 01:42:52,557
is Tiffinee Scott.
[Deep breath]
1584
01:42:53,254 --> 01:42:54,516
Richard.
1585
01:42:55,691 --> 01:42:56,735
David.
1586
01:42:57,606 --> 01:42:58,259
Theresa.
1587
01:42:59,173 --> 01:43:00,913
We have never met,
1588
01:43:00,957 --> 01:43:04,003
but I feel like I already have
a relationship with you
1589
01:43:04,047 --> 01:43:05,135
due to OxyContin.
1590
01:43:06,658 --> 01:43:10,009
Have you ever provided
Narcan to one of your children?
1591
01:43:10,053 --> 01:43:12,708
Have you revived one of
your children from an overdose?
1592
01:43:12,751 --> 01:43:13,274
I have.
1593
01:43:14,753 --> 01:43:16,886
There are no words
to describe my pain.
1594
01:43:16,929 --> 01:43:21,064
In May of 2020, she was found
unresponsive, lifeless...
1595
01:43:21,107 --> 01:43:24,937
lifeless in bed by me,
her mother.
1596
01:43:24,981 --> 01:43:27,201
The deceit and horror you
all caused, shame on you.
1597
01:43:28,854 --> 01:43:32,467
I remember the day Trent told me
he was addicted to OxyContin.
1598
01:43:32,510 --> 01:43:35,383
He called me from the campus
of the University of Alabama.
1599
01:43:35,426 --> 01:43:38,212
I could tell in his voice,
there was great fear.
1600
01:43:38,255 --> 01:43:40,692
I drove the three hours,
he met me in tears,
1601
01:43:40,736 --> 01:43:42,216
we wept together.
1602
01:43:42,259 --> 01:43:43,217
"Dad, I can't stop taking Oxy.
1603
01:43:44,609 --> 01:43:46,176
"Dad, I'm afraid
I'm going to die."
1604
01:43:46,220 --> 01:43:47,046
And he did.
1605
01:43:47,090 --> 01:43:47,786
This is so hard.
1606
01:43:49,353 --> 01:43:50,136
I encountered opioids
for the first time
1607
01:43:51,529 --> 01:43:52,400
shortly after
you launched OxyContin.
1608
01:43:53,749 --> 01:43:55,751
And I am one of
the living survivors
1609
01:43:55,794 --> 01:43:57,448
of your monumental greed.
1610
01:43:58,319 --> 01:44:00,495
I hope that every face,
1611
01:44:00,538 --> 01:44:05,239
every single victim's face
haunts your every waking moment,
1612
01:44:05,282 --> 01:44:06,109
It won't.
1613
01:44:07,110 --> 01:44:08,067
and your sleeping ones, too.
1614
01:44:08,111 --> 01:44:09,112
Thank you.
1615
01:44:10,505 --> 01:44:12,942
The next person to speak
is Nan Goldin.
1616
01:44:12,985 --> 01:44:16,119
It's nice to finally see
the Sacklers, face-to-face.
1617
01:44:16,946 --> 01:44:19,688
The Sacklers' so-called apology,
1618
01:44:19,731 --> 01:44:22,212
which was mandated
by this settlement,
1619
01:44:22,256 --> 01:44:26,260
is insulting to all of us
who have been damaged by them.
1620
01:44:26,303 --> 01:44:29,698
One family is
largely responsible
1621
01:44:29,741 --> 01:44:32,178
for the onset of this crisis.
1622
01:44:32,222 --> 01:44:33,963
that has led to the deaths
1623
01:44:34,006 --> 01:44:36,531
of over
half a million Americans,
1624
01:44:36,574 --> 01:44:39,664
and caused irreparable damage
for generations to come.
1625
01:44:40,970 --> 01:44:44,190
Yet their settlement
grants them immunity,
1626
01:44:44,234 --> 01:44:46,367
not just for themselves,
1627
01:44:46,410 --> 01:44:49,892
but for generations
of Sacklers to come.
1628
01:44:49,935 --> 01:44:53,199
Purdue has been found guilty
of federal crimes,
1629
01:44:53,243 --> 01:44:56,507
but its private owners
have never been prosecuted.
1630
01:44:56,551 --> 01:45:00,990
We hope the Justice Department
will pursue criminal charges.
1631
01:45:01,033 --> 01:45:01,730
Thank you.
1632
01:45:03,645 --> 01:45:05,081
Okay, thank you.
1633
01:45:08,171 --> 01:45:11,653
[Woman screaming, panicked]
1634
01:45:14,482 --> 01:45:16,788
They're already on the way,
they've already been dispatched.
1635
01:45:16,832 --> 01:45:18,224
Has he taken anything?
1636
01:45:18,268 --> 01:45:20,401
I just don't know.
He has in the past.
1637
01:45:24,143 --> 01:45:25,406
Oh, my God.
1638
01:45:29,105 --> 01:45:31,803
- You said he's 20 years old?
- Yes.
1639
01:45:31,847 --> 01:45:33,892
- What's his name?
- Pardon me?
1640
01:45:33,936 --> 01:45:35,372
- What's his name?
- Bryan...
1641
01:45:36,982 --> 01:45:39,898
- We're on the way, okay?
- Thank you, sir.
1642
01:45:41,726 --> 01:45:44,381
4,804 days.
1643
01:45:44,425 --> 01:45:47,166
Richard,
if you're still listening,
1644
01:45:47,210 --> 01:45:51,127
that's how many days since
I made that horrifying call.
1645
01:45:51,170 --> 01:45:53,347
I have lived with
the pain and heartache
1646
01:45:53,390 --> 01:45:55,827
as a result of the loss
of my only child,
1647
01:45:55,871 --> 01:45:58,787
a pain you will
never understand.
1648
01:45:58,830 --> 01:46:02,660
I can only echo
the pain and suffering
1649
01:46:04,096 --> 01:46:06,316
that Kristy feels
and that all of us
1650
01:46:06,360 --> 01:46:07,970
that are here today feel.
1651
01:46:09,232 --> 01:46:11,582
I want to point out
to the Sacklers that
1652
01:46:11,626 --> 01:46:14,542
by the time this two-hour
hearing is over,
1653
01:46:14,585 --> 01:46:19,155
you can add 16 more people
to your death list.
1654
01:46:34,126 --> 01:46:35,824
I asked my father for
1655
01:46:37,086 --> 01:46:40,306
records from the hospitals
she'd been in.
1656
01:46:42,134 --> 01:46:46,095
And he gave them to me
without reading them himself.
1657
01:46:52,014 --> 01:46:54,277
So this box came...
1658
01:46:54,320 --> 01:46:58,412
"The Box," I think of it as,
with the primary documents.
1659
01:46:58,890 --> 01:47:01,545
[♪♪♪]
1660
01:47:04,113 --> 01:47:07,595
There was the history of Barbara
for me to read and
1661
01:47:08,378 --> 01:47:09,553
I was terrified.
1662
01:47:11,076 --> 01:47:13,905
I wanted to know,
but I didn't want to know.
1663
01:47:14,906 --> 01:47:18,040
[♪♪♪]
1664
01:47:25,700 --> 01:47:29,138
I didn't understand that
the first place she was sent
1665
01:47:29,181 --> 01:47:30,792
was actually an orphanage.
1666
01:47:35,144 --> 01:47:38,582
And then she burned down
the curtains and ran away.
1667
01:47:41,933 --> 01:47:45,459
She's described as a
"rebellious adolescent."
1668
01:47:55,425 --> 01:48:00,038
It says in the interviews that
the psychiatrist thought that
1669
01:48:00,082 --> 01:48:01,910
Mrs. Goldin should be
in the hospital,
1670
01:48:01,953 --> 01:48:03,389
not Miss Goldin.
1671
01:48:03,868 --> 01:48:07,611
And that's actually written
in the hospital record.
1672
01:48:08,394 --> 01:48:10,962
[♪♪♪]
1673
01:48:13,922 --> 01:48:17,491
My mother had been
sexually abused for years
1674
01:48:17,534 --> 01:48:19,754
by a family member.
1675
01:48:22,408 --> 01:48:27,501
And when my sister hit puberty,
my mother couldn't cope with it.
1676
01:48:35,073 --> 01:48:37,119
My sister didn't
have any outlet.
1677
01:48:37,162 --> 01:48:39,295
She didn't have any context.
1678
01:48:39,338 --> 01:48:41,515
It was not mental illness.
1679
01:48:48,304 --> 01:48:52,526
I just knew how hard it was
for her to be alive.
1680
01:48:55,441 --> 01:48:58,053
She wanted a home so badly.
1681
01:48:59,402 --> 01:49:02,231
If she had found people,
1682
01:49:02,274 --> 01:49:04,276
if she'd been loved,
1683
01:49:05,364 --> 01:49:07,976
she would have survived.
1684
01:49:16,158 --> 01:49:18,508
[♪♪♪]
1685
01:49:24,775 --> 01:49:29,606
[Sound of locomotive
approaching]
1686
01:49:32,391 --> 01:49:34,655
[Locomotive speeding by]
1687
01:49:34,698 --> 01:49:37,396
Persons in the area told police
they had seen Miss Goldin
1688
01:49:37,440 --> 01:49:38,572
a short time before
1689
01:49:40,051 --> 01:49:42,314
when she asked when
the next train was due to pass.
1690
01:49:42,358 --> 01:49:45,535
Shortly before 5:30 p.m.,
persons said,
1691
01:49:45,579 --> 01:49:47,102
Miss Goldin put
her pocketbook
1692
01:49:47,145 --> 01:49:47,755
on the ground
next to the tracks,
1693
01:49:48,930 --> 01:49:51,410
then lay down across the tracks
1694
01:49:51,454 --> 01:49:54,239
as the Capitol Limited
approached.
1695
01:49:54,283 --> 01:49:57,199
The train's engineer
told police they saw her
1696
01:49:57,242 --> 01:49:59,244
and nailed the brakes,
1697
01:49:59,288 --> 01:50:02,334
but were unable
to stop the train.
1698
01:50:02,378 --> 01:50:06,425
Pathological examiner
ruled her death as a suicide.
1699
01:50:06,469 --> 01:50:09,646
Other significant conditions
contributing to death:
1700
01:50:09,690 --> 01:50:12,127
Severe mental depression.
1701
01:50:25,270 --> 01:50:28,534
I mean, that's the problem,
you grow up being told,
1702
01:50:28,578 --> 01:50:31,494
"That didn't happen.
You didn't see that.
1703
01:50:31,537 --> 01:50:33,670
"You didn't hear that."
1704
01:50:33,714 --> 01:50:35,454
And what do you do?
1705
01:50:35,498 --> 01:50:37,674
How do you believe yourself?
1706
01:50:37,718 --> 01:50:39,545
How do you trust yourself?
1707
01:50:39,589 --> 01:50:41,852
How do you continue
to trust yourself?
1708
01:50:41,896 --> 01:50:43,549
And then how do you
show the world
1709
01:50:45,073 --> 01:50:47,684
that you did experience that,
that you did hear that?
1710
01:50:49,033 --> 01:50:52,036
So that's the reason
I take pictures.
1711
01:51:01,872 --> 01:51:05,093
- Nan, what are you...?
- Beautiful, you look beautiful.
1712
01:51:05,136 --> 01:51:07,269
- Nan, does that have sound?
- Yeah.
1713
01:51:07,312 --> 01:51:08,444
Oh my dear!
1714
01:51:09,271 --> 01:51:10,489
Let's go, honey.
1715
01:51:15,233 --> 01:51:18,280
My mom's a dance fanatic.
1716
01:51:18,323 --> 01:51:20,499
[♪♪♪]
1717
01:51:20,543 --> 01:51:23,589
And she's gonna teach
her old husband how to move it.
1718
01:51:24,242 --> 01:51:26,244
I like to do this...
1719
01:51:27,550 --> 01:51:29,987
- Go, Mom!
- Go for it.
1720
01:51:30,771 --> 01:51:33,208
[♪♪♪]
1721
01:51:36,472 --> 01:51:40,215
My father and mother were
not equipped to be parents.
1722
01:51:42,260 --> 01:51:46,438
They had children
because it was expected,
1723
01:51:46,482 --> 01:51:49,790
more than it was about
nurturing other human beings.
1724
01:51:51,617 --> 01:51:53,358
That looks good!
1725
01:51:58,450 --> 01:52:00,888
- Yeah, but hold it up more.
- Is that high enough?
1726
01:52:02,237 --> 01:52:04,021
- Yeah, that's beautiful.
- You can see it?
1727
01:52:04,065 --> 01:52:07,851
Barbara loved Nan very much.
They were very, very close.
1728
01:52:11,463 --> 01:52:14,336
When she died,
she had in her pocketbook
1729
01:52:14,379 --> 01:52:16,730
a very beautiful,
small book of Psalms.
1730
01:52:18,253 --> 01:52:21,299
And she had this
wonderful quotation from...
1731
01:52:21,343 --> 01:52:22,605
Conrad...
1732
01:52:22,648 --> 01:52:23,911
The Heart of Darkness.
1733
01:52:24,738 --> 01:52:25,651
Joseph Conrad.
1734
01:52:26,957 --> 01:52:29,743
She was also, like Nan,
a very wide reader.
1735
01:52:31,179 --> 01:52:34,617
And I have
the quotation upstairs,
1736
01:52:34,660 --> 01:52:37,489
but it had in it
something about...
1737
01:52:45,367 --> 01:52:46,760
- Can you stop?
- Yeah...
1738
01:52:46,803 --> 01:52:49,632
- You should get the quotation.
- Stop.
1739
01:52:49,675 --> 01:52:50,154
Something about regrets.
1740
01:52:51,155 --> 01:52:53,636
Yeah. Infinite regrets.
1741
01:53:00,512 --> 01:53:02,471
Is it on now?
1742
01:53:02,514 --> 01:53:03,951
Quotation from
Heart of Darkness...
1743
01:53:05,126 --> 01:53:06,954
And it was just written
on a piece of paper?
1744
01:53:08,564 --> 01:53:12,960
"It's a droll thing life is,
that mysterious arrangement
1745
01:53:13,003 --> 01:53:15,963
"of merciless logic
for a futile purpose.
1746
01:53:17,529 --> 01:53:21,838
"The most you can hope for
is some knowledge of yourself...
1747
01:53:32,414 --> 01:53:34,459
"that comes too late...
1748
01:53:35,896 --> 01:53:39,508
"A crop of
unextinguishable regrets."
1749
01:54:01,660 --> 01:54:03,488
I think this story
is an important story,
1750
01:54:04,228 --> 01:54:05,664
not just for me,
1751
01:54:06,274 --> 01:54:09,190
but for society...
1752
01:54:12,280 --> 01:54:15,718
About conformity and denial.
1753
01:54:17,807 --> 01:54:19,809
And also about stigma.
1754
01:54:21,811 --> 01:54:23,682
The wrong things are kept secret
1755
01:54:24,379 --> 01:54:26,860
and that destroys people.
1756
01:54:29,819 --> 01:54:32,343
My sister was
a victim of all that,
1757
01:54:32,387 --> 01:54:34,780
but she knew
how to fight back.
1758
01:54:37,348 --> 01:54:42,440
Her rebellion was
the starting point for my own.
1759
01:54:44,834 --> 01:54:47,054
She showed me the way.
1760
01:54:51,493 --> 01:54:54,757
- Let's turn off for a minute.
- Yeah.
1761
01:54:54,800 --> 01:54:56,063
[Mic turns off]
1762
01:55:07,683 --> 01:55:12,601
[♪♪♪]
1763
01:55:23,481 --> 01:55:24,482
Oh, wow.
1764
01:55:27,616 --> 01:55:28,834
[Laughing]
1765
01:55:41,369 --> 01:55:42,413
Wow.
1766
01:55:51,596 --> 01:55:52,946
We did it, baby.
1767
01:55:58,429 --> 01:55:59,953
Four years of work.
1768
01:55:59,996 --> 01:56:01,867
Congress didn't do anything.
1769
01:56:01,911 --> 01:56:04,392
Justice Department
hasn't done anything.
1770
01:56:04,435 --> 01:56:07,438
Bankruptcy court, you know,
completely
1771
01:56:08,526 --> 01:56:10,833
left them better than ever.
1772
01:56:10,876 --> 01:56:15,751
You know, they're completely
vindicated by bankruptcy court.
1773
01:56:15,794 --> 01:56:17,622
And so this is the only place
they're being held accountable,
1774
01:56:17,666 --> 01:56:19,581
the only place.
1775
01:56:19,624 --> 01:56:20,364
And we did it.
1776
01:56:26,892 --> 01:56:27,676
Wow...
1777
01:56:30,200 --> 01:56:32,637
Oh, my goodness.
What a feeling, huh?
1778
01:56:33,987 --> 01:56:35,901
- Incredible.
- It's amazing.
1779
01:56:37,468 --> 01:56:40,602
The Sacklers are now
"private sources."
1780
01:56:40,645 --> 01:56:43,039
Here, stay there.
1781
01:56:43,083 --> 01:56:45,737
It doesn't say
what private sources.
1782
01:56:48,349 --> 01:56:50,003
Beautiful!
1783
01:56:50,046 --> 01:56:51,874
- Oh, man!
- It's so good!
1784
01:56:52,570 --> 01:56:54,703
It's hard to believe.
1785
01:57:05,322 --> 01:57:09,326
[♪♪]
1786
01:57:42,794 --> 01:57:46,798
[♪♪]
1787
01:58:36,848 --> 01:58:40,852
[♪♪]
1788
01:59:30,902 --> 01:59:34,906
[♪♪]
1789
02:00:34,966 --> 02:00:38,970
[♪♪]
1790
02:01:29,020 --> 02:01:33,024
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